RAWTALK - Camilla Araujo Breaks Down After Bradley Questions Her $30 Million Career

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

This Episode is Sponsored by: BetterHelp Visit https://www.BetterHelp.com/RAWTALK Today! On This Episode Of RawTalk, Bradley Martyn Sits Down With Camilla Araujo And Talks About Making $30 Million On OnlyFans, Why She Quit, Childhood Traumas, Death Threats, AI Influencers, Bots, And Much More! Sponsor RAWTALK: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/rawtalk SUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339 FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalk TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalk FOLLOW BRADLEY: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartyn SUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1 SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1 SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1 RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We don't have to go yet. We don't have to go yet. I'm so nervous. Wait, that's so funny. I made a joke about you being nervous and, like, this fact that you said that's funny. We're on the same wavelength. Both got jokes about being nervous.

But I'm not actually nervous. I'm never nervous. Never? That's a lie. You just lied. You're never nervous. Get a load of this guy. Get a load of this guy.

That is a lie. No, that's a lie. Never once. No, that's a lie. What's gotten you like, oh, shiver me timbers? Shiver me. Never shiver me timbers. That's a whole different level.

I guess your whole bit is not being nervous, I guess. I have my whole bit. I know very little. You think I have a whole bit? Like the whole fitness thing. And it's a whole bit? It's not a bit. I mean, like tough guy.

Like you're really like, you don't, like, you don't, you don't fool me. That kind of energy. Am I wrong? You think I got a tough guy bit? Because I slap the kids or whatever? I think that's enough of a reason, right? No, but it's like people, they got to learn boundaries. No, I'm with it.

Slap them all. Yeah. I'm with it. But so wait, so I give off tough guy vibes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so crazy. What? Am I supposed to think you're a teddy bear?

Because I work out? Yeah, I don't. So you see someone who's like, Jack, you're like, that's a tough guy? I'm like, tough. It's awesome. Discipline. Let's go. Crazy, bro.

I'm just not a part of like, I'm just not a part of like gym culture. Why? That sounds so sad. Oh. You don't like the gym? I don't know. I haven't found. like the love for it just yeah love reda what have you found the love for what's your bit my bit

yeah i think you i think you i think you i think you had a bit yeah for a while like the only fans yeah what was it like this hyper sexualizing myself dude can i mean i literally drive like this this is the bit can i sit like this would you mind i mean it might get us more views i think if you were wearing if you did that buddy 10 million view we don't have we don't have you have a camera angle like that. Mine's just like here. Oh. Yeah, that was your big. I usually try and like be professional if I'm like on someone else's.

Not when you're allowing it. So I, okay. How did you actually get started on social media? Because the first thing I saw of you was you arguing with your brother. I don't know if it was your brother. Yeah. That's the first thing I saw. And you were sitting like that.

I was like. Yeah, with tight pants on. Don't make it like that. I mean, you made it like that. Don't do that. I'm telling you what it was. No. Yeah.

I was on a Mr. Beast video to take it real all the way back. How many years ago is that? So you got some, you got some time. I got some skin in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think? Yeah. I feel like I'm really new to it.

You are for sure. In the grand scheme of things, but. So Mr. B, squid game video, November 2021 that came out. You know you got me worried about how I'm sitting. You did. Not me. Okay. You're the professional.

Is that like cute? Is this like good? Are we good? I don't know anything about cute. I'm a tough guy. Fax, you yeah, true. It's like, wait, hold on, these pants are supposed to look dirty? Yeah.

That's sick. Okay. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. I look like you just rolled around in mud. Yeah, it's the aesthetic. No, I get, it's kind of vibe. It's a vibe.

Yeah, it is. No, no, please. Do you have something to say about my outfit? No, no, go ahead. No. Anything else? Jewelry, you want to look at the jewelry? No.

Nothing else, just the pants. You just look rich. Yeah, that's awesome. Is that the link you're going for? No, I guess. Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, we'll go with that. Yeah, I like that.

Anyways, Mr. Beast video, November 2021, it was an accident. Like, it was luck. I blew up off of that video. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to take this seriously. And I tried everything. I was, like doing YouTube, trying to post on Instagram. Like, what do you mean blew up from that video?

What does that mean? Like, I gained in 24 hours, 145,000 followers overnight. And then I went out to L.A., and all these people were like, yo, let's collab, you know, I met up with, like, Noah Beck. Nothing. I was 067. You're just a girl in the video And they saw you and you got all those followers

Yeah, you've never seen like the Well, I guess No, the first, my first, like I said you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, six, seven Was the beginning of it all And how far? So you got out quickly, right?

Yeah, I got out on day like three of like production But like probably like How long was that video? Like 20 minutes, 30 minutes? It was like 11th, like halfway through And then I Why do you think people followed you? Don't do this to me

What the only answer I have is like, oh, that's a pretty looking girl. And I sound like a cocky dickhead. If I'm like, oh, they followed me because I was like pretty. That sounds bad. Yeah, but it's true. It's just, you're just. But that's like what happened. They were like, oh, who's this girl?

Who's player 067? That's how it always works. And then it was little old me. And then 100K and you're like, yo, I'm going to go to L.A. Yeah, I was like, I'm going to literally drop out of college and do this. Do what? Don't know what I was doing. And you were clapping with Noah Beck?

Yeah. He's like my boy. Love him. Yeah. He was one of my first ever, like, L.A. experience, like, collapsed. It was so kind, and he was like, you should really pursue this. He was like, you have it. Like, I think you could actually do something.

And then, yeah, the rest is history. Kind of, kind of. All right. You want to, like, get into the whole thing? Yeah, I want to know, like, from there. And then, actually, funny story, that week that I was here in L.A., like right fresh off the Mr. B.'s video, people were like, dude, you can make so much money on all.

family fans. Oh, God. Here we go. And I was like, I would never. There's interviews that I've done where I was like, I would never do that. It's like out there publicly, fully out there. And I'm just like, I would never do that. So you're a grifter.

What's I mean? I mean, you just go where the money is. Is that what everyone's doing? To an extent, yeah, I think. That's like the whole point of business. Some businesses. Yeah. Like supply and demand?

Well, no, I guess it's a little more nuanced than that. It's more like doing something that you wouldn't necessarily. do because like you said you would never do it but then you do it because then the money's there and you go fuck it i need money and then you do it even though it's not genuinely a part of like what you want yeah so yeah sure i was grifting whatever that means yeah and then i came back and my parents i think it was like a year i tried like youtube i tried like doing social media and like wasn't working meaning like like no views like i was making no money like nothing was like moving the needle and my parents were like yo you have to go back to college you want to live at home i was like okay well i guess i'm moving

out. And then I moved out, moved to Florida with this, like, boyfriend I had at the time. And I talked to him, I was like, yeah, what if I started an onlyfans? Like, what if? And he was like, I mean, yeah, just don't do nudity, right? Like, that was like his whole thing. And then I did it, made no money for a year because that's the thing. People think, like, you just start an only fans and it's like automatically like millions of dollars. Like, no, you have to put yourself out there and tell people you have it. Because what's the point of having a product? You don't market it. It makes no sense. Yeah.

So then I didn't know how to do that. So I was making like a couple hundred dollars. And then I was working like three other jobs in Orlando. And then I ended up like finding this real estate job that I really, really liked. And I found that job through the, I was doing bottle service. I was doing trying to do only fan social media. And then through the bottle service job, there was this guy that came in and like blew like 30 racks. And I was like, oh, what do you do?

And he was like, oh, I work in real estate development. I was like, let me work with you. Like, give me a shot. Like I want to learn. Give me an opportunity and I want to learn. And he was like, yeah, okay, call me on Monday. He gave me his card. Called him on Monday and met him at this, like, random, like, place he was at.

And he gave me a job. And I worked in real estate development. I worked with, like, architects and building, like, high rises. And it was, like, really cool. Were you, like, an assistant? What job was... No. He literally just, like, threw me in the fire and was, like, figure it out.

And, like, would put me in all of his meetings and, like, everything. Like, he taught me so much. And I was, like, there, I'd have to show up early. to learn and like I would leave later to like try and understand long story short I was there for about like six months and I guess word got out in the office that I had only fans and the owner of the company in real estate development there's development construction and there's like different like sectors to it the architects there's like many things that you need to like build a building yeah and this one company owned all of them in house so like the top floor was where construction worked

and everybody that worked in construction would like, everybody would like do meetings up there. The second floor was like development. So we were the ones like talking about like the deals and we were the ones that were like trying to. What company this is? No,

I can't. I'll tell you why. So, boom, the bottom level was the architects. And like sitting at my office one day and the owner of the company comes in and he's like, let me tell you something that happened in Miami this weekend. And he just completely sits there and tells me how he,

this Brazilian girl that looks. just like me. Blue eyes, black hair. She was basically like just being super, like telling me how he would f*** me. Right in front of the whole office. How many people? I think in the room, there were probably like 20 people, 17. And everyone was hearing it?

Everyone was just like, like, just like, no, he didn't give a flying. So then everyone like, after he just like walked out of my office, everyone was like, are you okay? And I started crying. Obviously, what do you do? I didn't know what to do. I just kind of sat there and was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, this is great. I'm so glad you had fun in Miami and your private jet. This is awesome. And then I, like, walked out and then some of the girls in the office, like, walked out with me. And they're like, you have to sue him. Like, this is insane. So then word got out that I was trying to sue.

And they basically, like, got his attorneys on me and was like, yo, I'm going to write you a check and you're going to get the fuck out of my face. And if you ever try and, like, do anything about it, like, I'll ruin your life. Like, try me. I was scared. I was 19 years old and I didn't know what to do. So I took the 30 grand and left, never spoke to any of them again, and found out this year he actually died. Wow. I signed like this massive, like, legal papers.

That's like if you ever come out and say. For 30 grand. 30 grand. Wow. That's a crazy story. And then I was like, I'm moving out of Orlando. I'm going to Miami and I'm just going to pursue only fans 100%. So you were like, this guy sexualized me.

that really hurt my feelings. Now I'm going to let the internet sexualize me. Yeah, I was like, fuck, I'm going to make money off of it. There's a, I just got 30 grand. Dude, it's crazy, though. Like you didn't, but you didn't like being sexualized. I mean, no. Maybe because it was in person.

Yeah. Oh, okay, I get it. Because I guess I could, like, you could hide behind your phone. Bro, the only fan of this thing blows my mind. Really? Yes, it just completely blows my mind. I don't see it the way other people see it. Like, someone that has no association with it.

Like, I don't. To me, it's so not that deep, like, at all. And to someone else, it's, like, insane. Like, I was just having this conversation recently with someone, and I was explaining, like, all, like, the back-end stuff. Like, me and known were, like, sitting, like, having a conversation. They were, mind-blown. And it's actually a business.

Well, we know it's a business. It drives a lot of revenue. Yeah. And so I think it, like, I just don't see it as, like, oh, my God. Like, this is insane. Like, you're crazy. But you don't see how it just lens is just, like, it's just sexualizing.

like it just makes it completely normal. Yeah, I'm just desensitized to it. Yeah. But I think I've been sexualized, like, my whole life, to be very honest. Kind of like, loki, the jump of, like, the start of everything, if you really think about it. Like, even my social media presence. Like, even going back to, like, the 06-7 stuff. Are you happy doing all this stuff?

Like, doing what you've done? Like, would you have done it differently if you could have? No, absolutely not. It's gotten me everything that I have today. I don't regret it at all. I think it has shaped me into the woman that I am, and I learned a lot. from it, I just think that that was like a piece of the puzzle, not the whole thing. Like, I just wanted to move on. And honestly, Logan Paul is like, I always say that. Like, Logan Paul was a big

reason as to, like, having like really open conversations about it with people in my life and realizing, like, I think meeting more people in the industry that don't do only fans, because when you're in something, it's easy to meet people that like do the same thing. Yeah, and they just add it, continually edify it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do think it's okay. Like, I really don't think it's a bad thing if someone decides to do only fans or I don't like I said I don't regret it I'm not like shameful of it but for me it wasn't the end of my story I think it was like the beginning you don't think it's like dating dynamics and all that sort of I mean I don't know probably I'm sure yeah it's cook I think it just cooked everything really yeah for like the the normal person because it's like

I mean obviously not every girl is going to be able to make an only fans and see success and have money, right? Like, we know that's true. Yeah. Like, for example, I've had conversations with girls. Like you said, you tried to do all the stuff, right? Like, you like try to do YouTube. You got a little, you know, taste of the fame. You tried to do some of it. It didn't work. I've talked to girls. The only fans didn't work either for a year and some change until I devoted everything to it until I was like, okay, like, this is what I'm going to use as the funnel. Right, right. Well, that's not even what I'm talking about. You're, I'm not even, we could talk about that. But what I'm saying is I've had conversations with girls that are just like, well, it's easy

money so I'm just going to do this. Like not even... But it's not easy. It's not easy. It comes with a lot of mental shit. It comes to a lot of physical. It comes with a whole bunch of shit that you have to... That's not easy.

You got to deal with a lot of shit if you decide to pull that card. The two easiest things in the world to sell. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. Yeah. Three. Yeah. Gambling. Drug.

Drug. Yeah. But only fans. It's not... I understand what you're saying. Everything else that comes with it. Like setting up the back end stuff. the actual marketing stuff, shown up doing collabs.

Like, I understand this is not easy, but like any content creator does those things as well. But the thing that you're selling is quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to sell. Someone's addiction to like, oh, I want this feeling, right? Which that's what they're trying to buy. Sure. Which is the easiest thing in the world to sell if you have the thing that by default, some girls have and some girls don't, which is just sex appeal. Yeah.

So what is the easiest thing to sell? anything that has extreme like demand yeah and but that's the like porn all this other stuff like I'm not saying you've done that regardless like porn and go back to Maryland Monroe like these women like this is nothing new it's just no I know that digital you know and it's like in my head you just capitalize off of it that's just how I think I don't I cannot speak for every woman in in the industry or any woman that does porn hub or I just can't I can't speak for them I can speak for them I can speak for myself. Right. The thing that I was saying was that it nowadays, because it's so like every, it seems like every hot girl will just do this. I've had conversations with girls that would just

be like, who are doing it. And their reason for doing it is just because something else was hard. Like it was hard to do, like they tried to do this. They tried to do that. Like, for example, not saying you specifically, but you tried to do the other avenues of content, which ironically enough now you're doing it. Yeah. But you've already made a bunch of money doing the other thing that was, you know, you would argue not as easy, but it was easier because you were able to do it before you were able to actually do this now. You did that first to make a bunch of money, right?

Yeah. And now you're doing this and you're not doing that anymore. But what I'm saying is a lot of girls, they see the only fan success that girls have. And again, I'm not saying it's just that simple. But if anyone who wants to make a million dollars a month or however hundreds of thousands of dollars a month, it's not going to be easy.

Yeah. It's just not going to be. be like that's just a plain simple fact of even if I decided I was like I'm going to go all in on you to like it would have been a lot of work regardless of what I decided to do like you could open someone random I mean you're not random but like someone could open an only fans and make nothing I don't think it's easy I would not say like yes in theory you took the easy way out like that's like yeah sure whatever then you start an only fan sling your dick around to see how much money you make but so easy yeah it's a little I think it's a little different the audience is

little different. Talk about swinging my dick around, but. No, but I mean, you could. Yeah. And it would still be hard for you to reach a million dollars a month. And yeah, any girl too, though, like go and I've had women, you know, say it to my face, be like, yeah, you took the easy way out. Like you sold yourself. I'm like, okay, well, it was so easy. Why don't you do it? It was if it's that easy, if you think it's, if you're going to show me for, oh, the only reason you have this car is because you sold, yes, I did, but you try doing it and see how easy it is. You know what's so funny about this conversation. It reminds me of the steroid conversation in the Jimbrough community.

Steroids. Yeah, like, for a very long time, people would be like, oh, you take steroids, that's why you have this. So I can relate to what you're saying in some degree. But in order to have a steroid body

have to work out. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's the same. I'm agreeing with you on this one. Yeah, right? Yeah. Just because you take steroids

and you're going to wake up one day and be massive. Right. It's like you have to work out. Right. Yeah. You're going to have to put in the effort. Yeah, you're going to have to take the plate,

pick it up, put it on the little bar thing, And obviously some people, exactly. And obviously some people see the results faster based on genetics, which is kind of similar to the whole like based on genetics. Are you prettier or not? Are you more attractive or more appealing to the audience or not? The thing that I was speaking to is more so like girls see it and they just go,

I don't even want to try anything else because this just seems too difficult. And I'm just going to do this now. And that's fine. Just know what comes with it. If you think that, then just know what comes with it. That's fine. If someone came up to me, it was like, you know, like all this other shit is hard. We think if I start an only fans, I would sit.

I have a very honest conversation and say, okay, let's really talk about why you want to start this. Why? They're going to say money. Okay. And I'm going to say, okay, well, it's not easy to just pop on there, do a little nip slip and make a million dollars. It's not how it works. You have to have a interview with your brother. No.

Okay. I'm just saying. You have to like put yourself out there. I'll be honest. I think if you're a hot girl, this is my hot take and you post four times a day on every platform, you're going to make a ton of money on Onlyfans. Even if you say not, you could say not one single word. word, not one single word.

I mean, who's running the account? Her? Like, is she coming up with, like, all, like, the creatives and stuff? And, like... The creatives of, like, standing there and turning around or something, you mean? Because I see a lot of... I mean, I guess you could just... That.

See, I think of content so much deeper than that. I don't know. Oh, for sure. I... Content is deeper than that, but, like, that's the lowest hanging fruit. And that's, that works. Like, I mean, you see this all the time. I mean, you see this all the time.

I mean, like, she stands there, maybe, like, has a popular song or a trending song on TikTok, so it gets a little more on the algorithm. and then she turns around and there it is, a million views. She does it four times a day. You post enough to reach the algorithm. There you go. Like it is that easy if you're sought after in a way.

Yeah. Sure. That's why I'm saying it's the easiest thing in the world to sell. And then the thing that always gets me, the thing that I'm always like, I don't understand how the viewer or the purchaser or the buyer or whatever doesn't understand it. Consumer.

What's that? Consumer, yeah. 99% of the time, if not 100% of the time, they're not even. Oh, I want to buy this. Well, no, they're not even talking to the girl. They're talking to a team of people that like... Yeah, like someone in...

It's like you're selling a complete dream. Yeah. Fantasy. You never felt any way about it. You just said, you never were like... No. Am I supposed to like feel like... You can feel however you want to feel.

Like, oh. It's like just... It's just the simple, dumb people are just like... Yeah, like, who's really at fault here? Yeah. I mean, everyone's out for there. Like, who's really, like, you want to get down into it. Like, who's really, and what's the fault?

Well. Because, like, I picked up what you're putting down. You think that what I do is easy. You don't really agree with it. And you're, I get it. I truly get it. I think, and I respect your opinion. Whatever.

I don't do the gym thing. You don't do the only fans thing. This is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can coexist in this world. You don't take the steroids. I think it's a hundred percent. Yeah, okay.

You don't, you know what I mean? Yeah. We're still sitting in the same room. Like, oh, yeah. I don't know. Like, I don't, like, I did what I did. Yeah. And I could give, like, a lot of, like, I have a lot of, like, respect for the women that can do it because it's not, it's, I, I personally struggled towards the end.

That's why, like, took a step back and I was like, I can't do this anymore. What couldn't you do anymore? I just couldn't, like, I just didn't want to do that. I didn't want that to be, like, the end of my, like, story. Like, I didn't want, I'm so much, I knew, like, I was like, I'm so much more than this. Like, I should just. pivot. But you had to make how much first?

30 million. You made 30 million? Yeah. Before taxes, after taxes? Before? After? Before? Yeah, taxes suck, man.

Awful. Worst thing in the world. Yeah, awful. You think girls lie a lot about what they make just for marketing? I mean, you can. And then I've seen it to where it does really work. Yeah. So crazy.

Just like it's part of the... I think you should do like a test subject. I think you should not tell anyone that like this one girl you're going to like test all like the theories. Like you're going to find someone that comes to you like, oh, I want to take the easy way. And then you should like do it. Like you should like help her if she wants to do it so bad and like see if all of like these theories that you have are like true. Oh, I've done it. You have.

I've helped someone make a lot of money and they fuck me over. Yeah. Oh. And they didn't sell anything bad. They just sold bikini pictures. Okay. Making like 100K a month. That's fire.

Yeah. With like literal minimal effort just taking bikini photos. And obviously it was it was in relationship to me and my audience. So they, you know, they bought something that I would never saw. Obviously, I'm not a female. She made a ton of money. So you help sell something that you don't believe should be sold. Yeah.

It opened my eyes for sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And what did you think? It's, I think it's terrible. So that's, well, because you got fucked over. That's awful.

And that, mind you, I want you know that happens a lot in the industry. Oh, for sure. I mean, I hear about this shit all the time. Yeah, so shouldn't we be like, yay. Yay, what? I got, I piece out, like, we're good. Yeah, you got out. Yeah.

Is it, so, so you wouldn't, you wouldn't change it at all. You wouldn't have like, oh, I'm going to do. I would just have done YouTube more consistently. You wouldn't have done that? Like, if you look back and you're like, could I have done this differently? But I wouldn't be here. Yeah. I wouldn't be.

Have you not made, like, decisions? And you're like, oh, well, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't be here. Like, granted, there are decisions I've made in to get here, but I'm human. I make mistakes, you know? Yeah. But it still led me here. I can't go back. So why even dwell on it?

Why even have a conversation about it? To learn, to grow. Yeah, 100%. And I have failed many times and you just sit, you're like, why did this happen or what happened here? And then you move on and you learn. Yeah.

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Again, that's better-h-elp.com slash Rod Talk. Let's get in this podcast. So what's the goal now? Are you still selling courses? Yeah. I mean. What does the course entail? Not obviously all the details because obviously the name would be the course, but like what are you, what are you selling specifically?

How to do like how to start social media. Like someone that has never done it before, right? How to start it. What like from the tiniest things to like when you're filming a video for, you know, leave headroom for captions or subtitles. People will read it. If you add the subtitles, people are going to stay longer to watch it, retention, hooks, things like that. and then live calls on Sunday. Would you say the people who are mostly buying that are women?

Yeah. It's called Becoming Her. Yeah. So I would just, I would think. Well, yeah, these days,

you never know. Yeah, that's true. So you, you would find more enjoyment in that? I do. I really do. That's the thing,

like, I'm on this journey of like figuring out, like what I want to do. Yeah. I don't have to have the answers of like, how old are you? 24. Oh my God,

yeah. What is that? No, you're young. You're very young. Yeah, of course you figure out. Figuring it out.

Yeah, I didn't know when I was 24. That's how it feels. Yeah, I didn't know. That's really how I feel is like I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing or like how to move on from something that gave me the life that I have. And like, what does life look like after that? This identity that I, you know, was for the last four years. Like how do you just let that go piece out and then like start making like videos and even like putting myself out there? like for real. Yeah.

Because I feel like, yeah, I was over-sexualizing myself to make money. So it's like, will people even give a fuck about me? Like if I start vlogging or doing YouTube or streaming or whatever I choose to do, podcasting and stuff, like that's something that I think about all the time. Like if I actually put myself out there, it can actually hurt and affect me. When in the past, like it was just always like this taboo thing that I did, you expect it. It's like if you know you're going to go into a boxing ring to fight, you know you're going to get hit.

It's the same thing. It's like I knew doing this, I'm going to get thrown. bunches left and right. I'm going to get people like you. They're like, oh, it's, you're ruining society. Like, I know that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm very aware. That's why I don't think it affected me because that wasn't truly me. Yeah. It wasn't like, it was like a piece of it. And so now I'm like trying to figure out like, yeah, who is she without all of this. So that wasn't, you felt like it wasn't truly you, but you did it anyways, obviously, because it got you to where you are. And there's nothing wrong with that. Do you feel like karma is real? Do you feel like you have

some sort of carmic debt? Some, because something. come back and get you? I don't know. I do right by people. I am, I would think I don't, I mean, I can't get again. This sounds bad. Like, I think I'm kind. So everything I've ever done has been with like good intention.

Even the only fan stuff? Yeah. What did you, what, maybe this, I don't know, probably might even put this in, but what did you actually sell? Did you actually sell? Did you go all the way? No. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Good. Why are you so concerned for me? No, I'm not. I'm not. You like a dad? Like, do you have kids? No. Maybe that's why.

Maybe that's why. No, I'm not, no. You're not married. You don't have kids. No. I'm like surprised you feel so passionately for like women in the industry. Like that's surprised given that like I would assume you have like a woman in your life that you're like, wow. Like couldn't imagine her doing this.

Like she's so precious to me. She's everything. She's my life. I have a daughter. Like I couldn't even imagine what it would be like as a dad. That's what you get. That's the energy you're giving off. Yeah.

Maybe I'm just a dad, dude. Are you? No. I mean maybe. I don't know. Maybe somewhere somewhere in the cosmos somewhere out there. Oh, so you might have a kid out there? No, no.

Oh, wow. No, no kids. You know I have no kids? You want kids? Yeah, sure, yeah. Sure, yes. Like now? No, no.

How would you know when you're ready? I don't think you're ever ready. It's a real answer. You're never ready for that. I mean, granted, some people are like, if you're actively trying, but I don't think you're ever truly ready because there's no, there's nothing to prepare for. You're just given a child and being like figured out. Good luck.

Yeah. You can read every book ever. It's not going to help. It's like you have to do by doing. You have to learn by doing. Same thing with life. Exactly. Everything. Yeah. Exactly. You get it. Absolutely. So are you happy? Yeah. Now. When have you? Like now, like you're asking now? Yeah. Yeah. You weren't happy then? And there were moments. But I was generally like generally happy spending time with my family. I got to retire my parents. I got to, you know, have some amazing like, watching my parents live for the first time is like the best feeling in the world like travel and stuff without stress yeah like they don't have to work you know it's that to me is extremely fulfilling helped out a lot of my family in brazil and you know watching them also like change like changing their life is very very fulfilling for me so what's the plan now just keep selling courses

or more more content you're good at this you're good at talking I'm good at talking I'm good at Yeah. I would hope, right? Some people aren't. Who's bad at talking? I've had a lot of conversations. People that aren't good at talking. A lot. They come on a podcast and know how to talk.

I've had a few on the pod, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Do you, like, call them out for it? No. Like you're a talker? I just do my best. Okay.

You know? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's like next. I'm like rebuilding my podcast to something that's like super like authentic to this, you know, to my life right now. Yeah. And I want to,

I want that podcast to evolve as I evolve. And I think that like, if I start thinking about, oh, what, what am I going to do? What am I, like, I just, I'll freak the fuck out.

Like, I have to tunnel vision and take it day by day, do content that I love day by day. Because at the end of the day, that's what this all is, right? Like, I love content creation. I feel like I'm good at it. And I really, really enjoy it.

I wake up every day, motivated to try new things. Yeah. New videos. Meet new people. and that's what I love to do. So I'm just taking it day by day and watching where it leads me.

Yeah. What do you want to teach people? Like what's the purpose of it? Of what? The course? Content. No, not the course. I know the course is teaching people

how to do social media. I don't think my social media is for anybody else. I think it's for me. I think it's meant to like teach me something too. And like having people like find relatability to how I feel, whether I pick up my phone and I'm crying about something or I pick up my phone and I'm about Love Island or I pick up my, like,

whatever it is. God, Love Island. Do you make him watch Love Island? Yeah, I need. Oh, yeah, I did. Oh, damn it, bro. I'm sorry. No, he loved it.

Nah, he's just, he's telling you that because he likes you. He doesn't really like the show. There's no way. Great hopes. Great retention. Amazing retention.

Oh, that show's crazy, bro. No, it's insane. It's actually, like, it's something like I got like overly upset how diabolical that show is. But that can't, it's like a train wreck. I can't stop looking. It's like this is insane.

Like Ashrovino, you know? It just seems so, Oh, bro, just the brain ride. You would do really good on a dating show. I would do really good. Yeah, I would find it hilarious. Me on a dating show. Do love is blind and just you, tough guy behind the screen?

How's a tough guy? Good guy. I would have a kick. I would die laughing. Oh, man. I don't think I could ever do something like that. Can you please? It would be terrible.

It wouldn't be amazing. No, man. You might learn something. How old are you? How old am I, Google it? No, how old are you? You know, he's going to pull it up for you. 38?

She's looking before. I'm 37. Are you actually? Yeah, but like my age is different on the internet. It's crazy. Why? I don't know. Wikipedia nerds and like, I don't know.

It's just like a thing, man. Wait, so what's your backstory? Me? Yeah. I know very little about you. I've been doing the internet forever. That's the backstory, like forever. What did you start with?

How did you start? What did you do? I was a personal trainer. And I did. I was a trainer. And internet wasn't what the internet is today, obviously. It was it didn't exist like the Instagram money and YouTube was like kind of getting popular 2000 end of 2010 early 2011 so it's right when Instagram first came out yeah how old were you then

22 or some shit 21 22 okay yeah it's around my age you started yeah yeah and I just all I was doing was posting what I was doing like I was posting myself my progress and just I had clients in real life So I would post pictures like transformations. And then how did it grow into what you have today? Well, that's the crazy thing. Like it didn't, like we look at it now knowing what it is and like, oh, you can make money doing this. Back then it was just like you were just posting on a platform that you didn't know it was going to be. Yeah, just posting to share things.

Yeah. And then fitness became a really big niche, I think on social media before pretty much any other niche. I don't know, maybe because it's so visually driven. So I would just post pictures and transformations. I think it's because it's easily attainable by every. everybody. There's no like. Yeah, the barrier to entry is very small. Yeah. It can go to the gym. Yeah, everyone can. Yeah. Or bare minimum go outside and like do cardio. And so I just started there. I think I got to like 600,000 followers on Instagram before I ever like started filming YouTube

videos. And then I did a YouTube video with a really popular YouTuber at the time was like number one YouTuber was Fusi Tube. And I helped him lose some weight because he was kind of fat filming like prank videos. And then I got a YouTube channel with like 25,000 subscribers. I talked to me the other day. He likes to think it was more, but it was only 25,000, which was a ton because I had no videos. Right, right. That's amazing. And he helped me start that whole YouTube process. Prior to that again, I was doing Instagram. And before that, like, it would have been me going to like fitness competitions and people being like, yo, this guy has 10,000 followers. Like, that's how old I am on Instagram. Okay. And 10,000 was like, oh, that guy has 10,000. Could you imagine that conversation?

I can. Yeah, that's a early adapter. I guess that's where I found most of my success. And I just kept posting about my life and what I was doing, which was just training or, and then I, you know, not going to lie, it's kind of funny. Me and you were in the same room right now because at some point, it was like, okay, I know what's going to do well on the internet, girls. So I started lifting girls, crazy viral, doing like crazy lifts. And, uh, yeah, so maybe we sold the same thing kind of. Scott did it. Come on, friend. Give me a high five. No, it's terrible. Come on mutual. It's terrible. Come on mutual. 27. Look at that. Look at that.

You're 27? 27. Yeah. Wait, pause. Are you actually not 37? Mm. Well, the internet is always true. May 22nd?

May 22nd. That's real. I'm May 1st. What the fuck? So wait, you're a tourist then? Yeah. Are you tourists? I'm the end of it.

I'm a Gemini tourist. What does that mean? I don't know. You act like I know anything about that shit. You said it. I know, I know. But I only know myself. Yeah, no.

It doesn't mean. But yeah, I just started doing that I just did. Like, I was never. I never really thought. Wait, so how old are you? 37. So what's happening? The internet lies, dude.

Full of lies. San Francisco? Net worth. Net worth? What is this? What are you? The feds? No, I just want to know.

I know very little. I'm not worth a lot. Okay. So, buddy, we're literally in the same. Both you. That's fucking real. I don't give a fuck off. We sold the same thing.

And then you're over here talking about some. I used to lift girls. And now you're at 10 to 20 million net worth. Get, I didn't. Let's, no. That's not real. Absolutely. Podcasts over.

Thank you guys so much for watching. If you didn't learn anything here, you learned that me and him are literally the same. That's not real. But I did it with blood and sweat and tears. Period. You did it with lingerie. Let's go.

Yes, but I love to hear. I'm mad at you. We are the same. No, it's okay. I lifted girls because I knew that it would get attention. That's true. But I didn't sell anything like that. I didn't sell the fake dream.

Besides the one person that like, yeah. The terrible human. Yeah. Terrible person. I don't think we're much different. Besides, like, you're really old. But, like, besides all of that, like, Jesus Christ, you're being old. I'm glad you find that funny.

That's good. I love this shit talk. I love it. Oh, my God. I have so many things to say about you, but since you're my guest, I won't. I know. I know. I locate, that's like, there's a lot of pressure.

Like, the cameras are on. So I'm like, bro, like, do we just, like, start attacking each other? Like, what do we do? I could. I could talk about you scammed and retarded simps. And then you started scamming girls. I mean, facts. Yeah. Scammed both parties, dude.

I'm surprised. you have any fans. I even, but like, how is that low key though? How is that like scamming men? Like what I, like what did I? Because they're retarded. Why do you think they're retarded? You took advantage of retarded people. Have you ever met someone that like actually bought only fans? No, which is why. Well, then everyone's just lying about it apparently because it's, it doesn't make sense. Everyone's lying about buying. I actually agree with you on that. I don't, I've never met someone that's been like, yeah, I've bought only fans content. Well, it's kind of like the pornish thing. Like people aren't telling people what porn and they're watching because they're like probably a little embarrassed

that they're buying messages for five bucks to text a girl who doesn't know them. And they're texting some person who's like some assistant or some like tech team that's answering messages. There's a messaging team. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. They're probably embarrassed because they're like obviously they have some affinity towards one person, which is why they're in that whole funnel to begin with. But they're probably embarrassed that they probably know that and they're still doing it.

I think it's or maybe they're just that stupid. Do you think there's anyone in your life that has probably bought OnlyFans content? I hope not. I hope not. I'd be like, damn. But do you think, like what, like? Probably someone at the gym for sure. I probably met someone at my gym that's done it.

And I would never tell me. Every person I've ever talked to is we're like, how do they make all this money? And it's just, yeah. Just them, like sitting in their room. Yeah. Buying OnlyFans content. I would never do that. They go home and they do it.

It's insane. I just genuinely don't get it. You hear these numbers. You're like, man, what the fuck? Have you seen a dashboard before? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to be very honest with you. I've never actually met someone that's like, you, I've bought.

Like, I've spent so much money on, like, OnlyFans content. Which is crazy because there's so many girls who you said you made, whatever, 30 million. Like, there's got to be someone out there. The odds of someone. Obviously, but do you think I've met them? Who knows? Maybe. I've heard some weird shit, yeah.

You probably know. Who? No what? No, I don't know. I don't know specifically. Like, I'm actually honestly, like, I know. I don't know if you know, like, there was, like, a really bad, like, stalker of the Bob House and, like, was convinced that he was, like, going to get engaged to Sophie Rain and, like,

broke into the house, like, shattered the back door and, like, really thought, like, that that was going to happen. Like, that's creepy and scary. He probably spent a lot of money on that. Isn't that insane? But that's what I'm saying. Like, what are we doing? No facts.

That's the problem. That, yes. That's an issue. I agree. How do we stop it? We shut it all down. We shut it all down. How are you going to do that?

Turn it off. Turn what off? Only fans. porn industry cut it all off you do that whatever happened like real shit you think that would ever happen no absolutely not i think people are just so degenerate don't care there's so much there's so much money in it that it's like that's like yeah the porn industry is really really really lucrative but do you think if that all stopped do you think the world would become better i don't know i only know the world as it is today yeah well knowing as it is today do you think that if people were less like

i think we'd find something else to be addicted to i don't think it ever stopped so you think we're just What do you mean by cooked? I think, I mean, do you think the world now is cooked? Yeah. Well, then, yeah, if you took it away, we'd be cooked in a different way. You just flip it over or like fried on the other side. If you took away like the porn industry, let's say you had a click a button, just gone. I think we would just start becoming addicted to other things.

I think a surplus of anything is a bad thing. Yeah, that's true. So it's like anything that you get addicted to is going to ruin your life. Whether that's video games, podcasting, talking, the gym, steroids, it's going to ruin you. The video games made me so good at typing, though. Typing? Typing, yeah. And that paid off in my life at one point heavily, yeah.

Typing? Yeah, because I used to do the coaching thing. Like, you know, I used to have, like, calls. I used to have, like, meetings and, you know, send emails fucking, like, every day. But I played a lot of video games. So I was typing. I got really good at typing, so I could bang out emails, no problem. Yeah, so if you get rid of porn, we would get addicted to something else, like typing.

No, no, no. That's not as sexy. Well, it doesn't need to be sexy. We'd find another way to sexualize something. I don't know. How else could we sexualize each other if those industries were gone? I mean, I think there would be in general, like, we would just go back to, like, making movies over-sexualized. And we'd find porn in there.

But it's not porn. It's not seen as porn because it's just Hollywood. So we'd just be masked. Like, you can't, I think it would be taken, like, white-labeled and just, like, packaged differently. No. Yeah. I would. Hollywood would start to have more.

You'd find more nudity in like a lot of films and stuff, probably. We'd probably more pimps. Oh, you think pimps would have a comeback? Probably, right? Isn't that what, that wasn't like a huge thing? Prostitution. Yeah, yeah, prostitution would be a thing. Oldest.

We would go, the strip club would make a ton of money, unless you just, are you talking like deleting those two? Yeah. Okay, so if we delete strip clubs, then it's just would get, yeah, prostitution, like underground rings of prostitution. it would just become illegal, but we would still be done. And then people would start to go missing and more murders. Because these pimps probably, they don't know how to scale.

They just... Yeah. It's awful. Oh, yeah, it's just worse. And I think it might actually be worse. Yeah. But I feel like some people would have more money. They'd be spending their money on...

Boy, it would be a lot more male-dominated. The world. Yeah. Right? Because then there'd have to be like some sort of like head ring leader of this thing. If you take away all safety measures like like of it being behind a screen. But I don't know. I'm not saying it's a good thing to be addicted to porn. Yeah. I think that's like I said, I think it's bad.

Do you have any addictions? Work. Yeah, I relate to that. I love to. I love it. I don't find. I don't think that's, is that a bad, is it an addiction? No. It can be. It can be a bad thing. Yeah, if you don't make time for other shit in your life. Yeah. Do you do that?

I'm with other people that also work the same amount, so I don't feel like I work too much. My family thinks I do. You know, like the whole, like classic. Like you don't have time for us, yada, yada, yada. Yeah. Yeah, I relate to that. Sometimes I feel bad about that.

I spend so much time social media, not have time with the family. It's your job. Do you love it? I love it, yeah. But I also love my family. Of course. But when you do spend time with them, is it like just them, no phone, like super quality time?

It has been, yeah, as I've gotten older, absolutely. So yeah, I think that's important. You have a good balance. But on the way up, no, I was still like, I'd spend time, but I'd be like still just like, I gotta go film this, got to do this. No, I'm really conscious of that. Like, if I'm spending time with my family, like, it's, like, I don't, I don't know where my phone is. Yeah, you better than I was, that's for sure.

I have a lot of guidance around me. I'm very, very fortunate. From your family? My family, my team, people in my life that I actually can, like, look for if I start to get lost in the sauce, you know? Yeah. What are you into that people wouldn't know about? I like to read.

Like what? Books about people that I know. Like autobiography type shit? Because then I get to text to you and be like, yo, this is crazy. You have a book? No. You should write a book. I've been thinking about that for some time.

I've been doing voice notes for the last like six years. You should write a book. Well, that's what I did the voice notes for, but I still, I feel like I need some sort of. Just talking about typing and shit? Yeah, but I don't want to do that. Why? I don't know. Because it's hard?

Yeah, yeah, it was good at one point in my life. You don't think it's good now? No, I could do it, but I'm, I'm pretty. probably like would just send the voice notes and have someone to help me write it. Well, that's usually what they do. Yeah. No, usually what it is, like, that you sit in a room and you literally talk for like a couple days straight of your life story and they write it.

Would you write a book? Not now, but maybe, eventually. Would you read my book? Absolutely. So I could text you and talk. It's fire, no? Yeah. Isn't that cool?

Yeah. Like you just text me like, yo, what the fuck is this? I like books about psychology. Okay. About shit that like is sort of abstract. Like the soul. Okay, are you spiritual, religious? Not religious, I'd say spiritual for sure.

Oh, same. Yeah, religious is... I believe in energy. Yeah, I mean, that's undeniable. I think that's just a fuck. I think it's even science factual. Mm-hmm. Everything is energy trees.

Religious, religious is just like, I don't know, that's... I'm still figuring out where I stand with that. I don't know yet. Like God and stuff? Yeah, I believe in God and Jesus, but like, I've never... I just had this conversation. I've never, like, picked up a Bible. I used to go to a Baptist school and it really traumatized me.

So it's like that's what I associate. What traumatize you? Like it was like kind of cultish. You know, I don't know. I don't know to explain it. Like it was very like you're going to hell if you drink a glass of wine. You're going to hell. If you like listen to music that isn't holy, you're going to hell if you say hell.

You're going to hell. You're going to hell. You know what I mean? So I was very like I lived my life in so much fear of doing anything. And so then when I left that, I just kind of didn't know where I stood with religion. So I'm like in this like space of like I'm very spiritual. I believe in energy. I believe there's a God.

I believe there's a Jesus. I don't really know much more than that. I don't know when or I'll decide to like pursue something further. You ever think about what the point is of all this? Yeah, all the time. What do you think it is? I don't know. I have no answer.

If I knew I probably would be that further. But like, I was just talking about this. Like the concept of trees. I know that sounds stupid, but like that's insane. Which part? The fact that there's just. Like they live, they breathe. They're like alive.

Yeah. Do they feel? I probably. Can they take on like your energy, like your emotion? I don't know. See, if you start thinking about it too much, you'll lose it. I imagine so. I mean, we do that.

Why would? Exactly. Why wouldn't the tree? Why wouldn't the tree? Yeah. That's so much bigger than us has roots deeper than we could ever possibly imagine. Been around for a lot longer. Long motherfucketime.

Yeah. They've seen. Nuts, right? See? Funny. See? I didn't think about this shit all the time, dude. No, and then you have ever like sat and thought about like, have you ever done DMT or

ayahuasca. Yeah, four times. That's been coming up so much recently. I know, I know. Stop. It's crazy. And I'm like, if I did that, I think I would have like, I don't know, like, I need, like, I believe I would turn into like one with the land. Like you would float? Yes. I don't know. What was your experience? Oh my God. Did it change your life? Yeah, I'd say so. I, because the reason why I took it, the reason why I was so interested in like trying to figure it out. The reason why I was like even went down that road was I was, I was so afraid of dying. I have a really irrational fear about dying too.

Yeah, my whole life, I was so afraid of it. And it goes back to my child. I lost my dad when I was very young. So I was always like very early on being like, what is this? I'm afraid of this. And I struggled with that like my whole life. And I was like, okay, I want to like get over that. So that was like my intention going into it.

I don't know. I got to a point I think when I was on the plant medicine stuff, drug, ayahuasca, whatever you want to call it, where it almost felt like it was just okay. Whatever, whatever happens is almost as if it's already existing at this, in the same, at the same time, just not visible to us.

Yeah. Like your death, your life, everything is just, just giant circle that just felt like, not in any sense where I was like, okay, I want to like not be here anymore,

but I had this sense of peace. Yeah. Knowing that it's like, it's not that, not like impending doom. Yes. Because forever, it was my idea was,

It's just this complete nothingness. I just done. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think I think about it like that. I think for me it's the shock factor of the unknown. I'm a very anxious person and I have like really bad OCD. So like the unknown of like that, like the like Thanos, like something could just like

and you're gone. But for me it's like what if there's something so much bigger than this and we didn't know about it and like what if whatever is next is so much larger than you can actually conceptualize in this lifetime. and you didn't know about it this whole time. And what is there something I could have done in this timeline that could have benefited me in the next one? Like, see if something, we can't even get into this

because, like, I hyper fixate on these things. Yeah, that's what I think about every day. That's what? That's a crazy place to be all the time, though. Yeah. That's why I have to consume myself with things that are physically here. And like, I have to work because my mind will start to like think about like that.

Yeah. And then it starts to feel like what's the point of anything? Of all of this. Why am I even doing it? this why even pick up my phone and film a video yeah I know I've been there I've been there since I had this like crazy epiphany after the course like everyone like yeah like the whole joke but like calling me a scammer I'm like yo like have I actually done something like actually wrong people sending me like death threats and like you you went from scamming men to women it's like

that was it other people said that yeah yeah oh shit it was like a bad no it was like a whole I thought following the train no it was like this whole thing that happened online they were like for like like two months straight and like you this girl and it made me really evaluate like yo is it for me and then you start thinking about like death and like not like in a sense of let me off myself but like in the sense of like what the what's the point what actually is the point why am i doing this and then i just kind of had to like bring myself like oh and two like help me like bring myself back down and like you know do what makes you feel happy makes you bring you joy right now in this lifetime like what is it that brings you joy anytime with your family let's fly your family

out. Put your phone away. Be here. You know? Because then you start to think about like, damn, like, was, did I actually hurt people by doing, I actually hurt people by selling this course when I was so proud of it. I was so proud of it. I worked on it for six months. It was something that I thought that I took my knowledge on how to capitalize a moment and put it into something and everyone hated it. Like, I understand the public's perception. I do. And that was a failure, you want to say, like something that you were so excited about and people took it completely the wrong way. Like, I get it. So it's like, I sat there and re-evaluated and I was like, bro, what, what's actually the point? What is that? And I've been in this like state since January.

Because you're in a state of evolution. Because I don't believe, and I just had this conversation, I don't believe anything that is meant to be great and that you're supposed to achieve comes easy. And I know that these are like growing pains. Like I'm not, if I made the decision to stop promoting OnlyFans and do something else with my life, it's not going to be easy regardless. And if I decide to stop doing the course and do something completely different, that's still not going to be easy. It's still not going to be like, oh, that's going to be so easy to go and, you know, start a whole different IP and drop this and, you know, like, I had to go through that.

I had to learn. I had to fail from a business perspective and, you know, be done publicly. and it's probably not the first time it's going to happen. It's not going to be the last time. And it's like, but I think that's what it's about is it made me realize to do this and be here and have these types of conversations. Yeah.

So it's like, I don't know, it's been tough since January. It really has. What do you think the point of life is then? I guess to do what makes you happy right now. I can't think about it like that. I can't think about the next five years. I can have goals. I can have things that I want to achieve.

Like, I want to get married. I don't want to have kids. Like, I want these things. But like, if I don't live here, I'm going to be in a constant state of psychosis trying to make something happen that I have no control over. Even the concept of the gym for me, right?

Like, if I start thinking about, like I don't do the gym. Because to me, it seems like something that's added on to the list of that I have to already do. If I just got up and did it, you're doing it. You're actively doing it. You can't think about it too much.

You just do. And that's exactly what Owen's been telling me, like, this whole time. He was like, with anything that's meant to be built, the body that you want, the things that you want in this life. You have to build it. Right. To go to the gym, if you want the abs, you have to eat right, yada, yada. And it's like to me, talking about that in that sense makes it seem like a chore. So right now, all I know to do is just hone in on what's happening right now. Just pay attention to what's happening right now.

And tomorrow I'm going to wake up, I'm going to get my schedule and she's going to say, we have a 6 p.m. you have this, 7 p.m. you have to get ready for that. And now's what I'm do every day and look and hopefully by the time I look up I made it further than I ever thought that I could be. That's how I'm choosing to live. Yeah. Because then if I start stopping, I'll start thinking about the plants and trees and DMT and I think the point is for this to be hard. Yeah, of course. Our whole existence is just for it to be difficult and for you to learn shit. And the goal. It's like a sad way to look at it. But it's true. And then, but the flip side of that is the goal is,

okay, it's difficult, it's hard. You learn. And then what do you do with what you learn, what do you teach, what do you give, which is just a version of love. Yeah. I think the whole point of this is to like learn, go through as much as you can to be able to share love. And what I mean by is like, you've gone through something, you learn something, you can teach it to someone else. It's like a small version of it.

It's not necessarily the same as well you have intimate love with like a partner or a family member. Love runs the world. People do bad things because of lack of love. People do good things because of love. Like love is what everyone seeks in anything. I think people do everything because. because they want to feel love or they want to be love. A hundred.

And whether it's trying to get money or trying to have popularity at all. But you want money to feel validation from something to feel love for yourself. Yeah. Yes. I'm, I 100% agree. So I think that's the point of this life is to just spread love. To spread love. Do you do that every day?

Do I do that every day? I think in little ways I try to. I don't do that every day. I do it every day with my dogs, but it's very easy. Yeah, that's true. Everything else is just like it's difficult. It is difficult. supposed to be difficult. Yeah, I agree. I think it's a sad, I think that it's kind of a sad thing,

but it's also just the point. Like there's no, number one, we're not, no one's making it out alive. True. One thing you're promised in life is death. So you're also guaranteed it's going to be difficult at some point, no matter how much you have or how much you want to have and you feel like it's far away. I mean, some of the richest people in the world have like the most difficult, emotional lives. A hundred percent. So it's kind of like you're just, you're experiencing, I don't know what everyone is experiencing kind of at the same time yeah through a different set of lenses but that's the point of it all so yeah they mean you learning going through the shit like it is interesting you you you know I think from the outside when you're talking about the whole like

scammy thing you're going to get the people who don't know enough about anything that you've like you're actually trying to put into the course or the things you're doing where it's like they're going to just go okay this girl did this she made a bunch of money now she's doing this and trying to make a bunch of money. That's the only perspective, right? Without understanding. But that's like... Which I understand. I get like the stigma behind. And I didn't, I was ignorant to that. I had no idea. I literally had no idea. You think I was like, I was consciously making that decision to like piss everybody off. Like obviously not. And like, I went into it completely ignorant to, to what it was. And I learned a lot. But like, I didn't think it was going to be

easy because it wasn't easy to build. And like, yeah, now people did have that perspective. And it's Like, what did I learn from that? Yeah. Like, you learn and you grow. I mean, you are also fucking 24, man. And even regardless of the age, like, this is the point of life. Like, no one's, no one has this shit figured out. But I think it's easy to see, like, people like, like you and, you know, Logan and all these people that I've met in life.

Like, oh, y'all got it figured out. We don't, though. But it appears that way. And I think people would say that about me. I think the perception might be like, oh, she's just like, she's fine. Like, what the fuck does she have to worry about? Like, it's fine. She has it figured out.

Like she has money. Like she can't be sad about anything. Yeah. It's like then getting to actually talk to you in person being like, yeah, real, I don't even have it figured out. No one does. And that's the point. The point is you're just figuring it out.

And like you're with a bunch of other people that are figuring it out too. That's all life is. And it's hard. It's difficult. At some moments are good. And yeah, the goal is to try to be happier more than you're not. But like, you're also not guaranteed happiness forever. It's not it.

It's not even a real. No, it's not real. I really like learn to like cherish the good things. Like Christmas, right? Like I love Christmas. It's my favorite time of the fucking year. It wouldn't be the greatest time of the year if it was every day of the year.

Yeah. It's the same thing. That's how I view like happiness. Like right now I'm probably not like the best mental state I've ever been in. But like with everything that is low, there will be a high. You think right now you're not in the best mental state

you've ever been. Well, no, because there's not like for me I'm trying to figure out who I am and that's kind of annoying. Like I get frustrated with myself. I'm like, I wake up and like, I'm not where I want to be. And it's like, it's easy to get caught up

in things that you're bad at. things that you're not good at and like perfecting this the course perfecting like these calls like like what i want to be doing it's like i don't have you know enough of of of something to be able to capitalize on other things and it's like damn and then you start to think about your past and you start to put it's like i start to spiral you know but the one thing i'm happy doing is filming these videos even like a small video like be doing a dance trend with harry jowsy like it made me happy in the moment you know what i mean yeah or like me making a video with math Madison and Jaden, like, it makes me happy in the moment.

But, like, no, transition is hard. It is hard. It's so hard to like. That's all this. That's all it is. Yeah, it's facing. It just keeps going. Like, facing, like, looking inward. And I think that's something else I realized.

Like, when you're, like, transitioning, it just makes you look at yourself so much deeper and, like, so much more consistently. So it's like, and I never did that. Yeah. That's the thing that the ayahuasca does. Like, you, you just sort of like. like completely unfiltered look at yourself, which can be, I know for me, my first experience was very uncomfortable.

Really? Extremely uncomfortable. Did you like cry, purge? Yeah, I did not want to do it. I wanted to do it. I didn't purge. Which I think made it worse because I think then it stays. It stays.

You have to purge it out. So it was even more, I don't know what the, it would be strong, powerful. Like it was, it was like, at one point I felt it was like, oh, I'm good. It felt like kind of like mushrooms, like a little bit of mushrooms. and then it was like rocket ship to the moon where I was like, oh, I really wanted this to stop. But it was because it gives you this sort of like completely clear view of like who you are. Like really without all the sort of you've, you know, built yourself up to be to everyone else or whatever you. Because like social media was my whole life for so long.

And I know that I got sort of caught up in likes, views, money, comments, admiration, appreciation. like, you know, people edifying me. And then you get on this sort of completely unfiltered version of yourself and like, who am I really? Am I these things? Because these people are telling you that you are? Yeah, or who am I actually? And then you kind of just get this sort of just completely unfiltered view.

And that's the nice part of it. Were you pleased? No. I think at that point in my life, this was a couple years ago now, maybe like five years ago. I think I took for granted a lot of the friendships that I had because I felt like a lot of people were in my life because they were able to get like I told you about this girl and stuff. There's a lot of, I had a lot of versions of that. Right, right, right.

Business-wise, outside of her and just friends who came in and out of my life or business partners that, you know, viewed me as like, you know, this is this is my money. Yeah. And I would kind of notice that in other ways and I would try to put past it because I would still wanted friendships. But then it made me very hard on everyone else who maybe were genuine friends. And I would place the same sort of like, you know, barriers that I would have with those people on everyone. We didn't deserve it. Yeah. And then I would almost as no one deserved it. And then it's like you find yourself very alone. And it's like you don't. I'm looking around. I'm like,

who are my real friends? Like who are really my friends? And it's like, damn, I, I didn't really have any at that point when I thought about it. Later on, obviously, I was able to, to like, I spent more time thinking about it. Is that something that you've always, like, not always struggle with, but like, even like currently today, like, do you struggle with? Especially in the space, yeah. Like, you have a lot of, I have, I have, I know everyone. I have a lot of acquaintances.

I have a lot of people that, like, are friendly. Like, if you were really down bad. Yeah, who would you really be there? Who would I call right now? Yeah. I know one person I would call. No, I have two people, yeah. I have two people.

I think that's enough. Maybe three, yeah. That's enough. And it's like, you're fortunate enough to even have three people that would pick up the phone. And it's like, life hit the fucking fan. But for a while, I was like just completely avoiding of it. Like, I just was like, everyone is out to get me.

But that's, that's not like an insane thing to feel in the industry. Yeah. No, it's not. That's like very common. Which is so trash, though. I agree. But it's almost like everyone, especially in today's society, I think everyone thinks so individualistically.

Like, it's everyone is, everyone I think feels that way, but no one talks about it. So then you guys are all just like against each other. like simultaneously, not even knowing that there could be something actually there deeper, right? Because in their mind, like, I could come in here and think, oh, you're trying to me over on this podcast. You're trying to make a click a piece. In reality, you could just be like, yo, she could be a cool person. But like, we're both not going to say it because that's what we've been trained to do. It's like, to be very honestly, that's what PR training is, is everyone's out to get you, be prepared for the worst possible scenario. You're prepared for

someone if they're going to try to attack you, if they're going to try and ambush you. But in reality, if we both believe that the world is supposed to be about love and spreading love in the tiniest ways, because I'm not a very, like, sentimental person. Okay, like, I'm not. Like, I'm not going to sit here and give you a hug and a kiss every time. Like, I will with very specific people, but, like, you can show love in small ways, you know? And it's like, if that's what we believe in, why not, not add to that problem? Because I do the same thing.

You're not crazy. I'll tell you that fucking much. I go into a room with people who are like, L.A. influencers, my walls all the way up. I don't even give the motherfuckerfri for a chance. I'm not going to give you. you a chance to then try and say something about me, you know? Or it's like then people are trying to figure something out in case you got something on them.

It's like, it's like a, oh, okay, like you want to go there? It's trash. What the fuck is all? There's no point. It's all like, it's all performative. And that sucks. It does suck. And I do feel that same like loneliness too.

But it's like I would rather have my partner who has been there from the beginning and like the rest will come. Like even us having this conversation. I value that. I mean, I know we just met, but like it's valuable that someone else who is unk and, you know, is older than me, thinks like that. Because it means that you've experienced this before. And then I'm not experienced that this isn't the first time that anyone's ever experienced this. Yeah.

You know? And all the podcasts I've done this week have been, everyone's been saying the same thing. Like it's been very much so, like super positive. Everyone's talking about transition and how they feel alone and this and that. Like we all feel the same thing. Just no one talks about it. It's the weirdest ever. But I've even talked about it with people.

Like personally or publicly? Personally, yeah, personally. And they agree. But then nothing ever really changes. What do you want to change? Like a real friendship. There's probably like... You have my word.

I'll reach out to you. I'm telling you. I've had maybe five people that like over the course of all this time that like would ever just hit me up and be like, yo, are you good? That's so funny. You can literally ask Madison, how many times do I reach out to people say, y'all just nothing want nothing thinking about you. I do it all the time.

I meet people and I feel like, oh, wow, we actually had like a good, like, he's cool. This person's cool. And I reach out crickets. You see them in person? Oh my God, bro. Like, holy, like it's like your best friends. It's like I truly, I understand you.

And it gets done to me all the time. But then if you say you found three good people out of that that would pick up the phone, that makes me think, okay, it's worth reaching out. It's worth keeping the connection there and the consistency of me reaching out in case something does come of it. What do you think people are so afraid of? Getting hurt. But I think that you just said it. That's a part of it.

You kind of have to get hurt. And I also believe the good friendships, like the ones that are real friendships, like truly real friendships, you're going to get hurt in them and you're going to continue to be friends because you're human and I'm human. and you're going to say something that's going to actually make me upset because you thought it was a joke and I'm going to come to you and be like, I'm going to keep it a bug. Like that shit actually hurt my feelings.

And because we're friends, it's going to be okay after a fight. That's the thing. People aren't, I don't think a lot of people know what true friendship is. It's like you're not supposed to be on cloud nine all the time having a drink going to the clubs. It's like when-

relationships. Yeah. That's the exact. Friendships and relationships, the only thing that's different is the fucking sex. You're not having sex with your best friend. But the consistency, and the stability and the loyalty and the respect you have to have.

You just to make it sustainable. To make it to where my entire life blows up and I call you and I'm like, I have nothing. You'll be like not even, I wouldn't even think twice, but yeah, come over. Yeah, whatever you need. Let's do it. Let's figure it out. And I'm realizing now with the friendships that, because yet again, I'm growing and friendships come and go.

It's like I'm realizing now that like sometimes I just want someone that's not going to want to like fix the problem. but like just listen. Yeah. I don't need someone to just, I don't need like a, what's it called? Like someone that's like super

like Mr. Wise Owl like to sit there and be like, oh, I think, no, just, I need someone to just listen. I think that's what people lack. They want to give, in order to feel self-love, they want to feel validation that they can give you some sort of advice

when in reality all we need sometimes for someone to listen, that's what I find the hardest. Is I'm not asking you to give me money. I'm not asking you to give me anything. Just asking for me to just call you and you just listen and you just tell me your opinion with my best interest at heart. And if you can have that and have it consistently, you're golden.

It's not that hard. I don't need you to get me anything. I don't need money from you. I don't want you to tell me what's the next big crypto thing. Like, bro, I just literally, literally just pick up the phone. Such a Miami thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. I'll be honest. I didn't think I was going to have this type of conversation with you. Why? I don't know. I don't know anything about you. I don't know anything about you. I spoke about you too.

He had a conversation. You know, Chef T.J.? Yes. I could stop. That's one person that could actually make me cry on the spot. If you talk about Chef T.J. I'll start crying. Please stop.

That's my boy. Stop. See? Never in my life have met somebody like that. He's not a person. He's a spirit walking on earth with legs and a physical skin body. Yeah, he's a good dude. He's incredible.

I hope he had good things to say. Yeah, he did. That's what I was surprised. Like I he, because I, I, I forgot where I was going. I was with Steve. We were like, I think TJ was there. We were like, he flew us on some plane to go to Vegas to do some. And I think I was talking about, when I was hitting you up like time ago to do the pod,

it would have around that time. And then he just mentioned like, oh, I spoke to this girl. I mean, he cooked for you guys or something in, in Florida. I was like, well, what do you think about it? Because I was just trying to think about what I was going to speak to you about in the pod. And he was just like, she's not like, she's so different than what she's, she puts out. Yeah. Like so completely different. And he caught me at such a, he caught me at such a bad moment. The bad, I was in such a bad place. And I was like literally, this was like in the what's the

point of life period. And I was like, what the fuck the point? And he walks in the room. And it was like, this energetic pull towards this person. And he was, and we just talked for hours. And he like completely like shifted my mindset and stop in one conversation. Yeah, he's that. guy for sure. I love that guy. I love you. Yeah. He's the man. So much. He's the best. What was what was so hard in that moment though? What was so hard? Like what was the thing you were mainly? I was so lost. I was so lost.

It was just one of those moments. We're like, what the fuck's the point of living? And this is even after all the money. And then you see chef TJ like a like an angel walk in the room. Just makes you want to like rethink everything in life. You're like, I don't want to eat meat anymore. Like for some reason. I'm like I'm going to go view and donate all my money to charity. Like I'm going to sell my house and live in a shack and be the happiest

person in the world. Like that's chef tj as a person if y'all don't know do you all know no i don't know if they know so the the real ones know if they've seen the content with steve they'll know dude no napkin anything maybe they're oh right there there right there toilet paper no yeah i don't fucking yeah literally three hours in the glam chair are you kidding best thanks a lot sorry no women come on here he'll make you cry but was that so was that after was that during the whole like course thing yeah yeah yeah that makes sense i mean probably know what it's like to get fucking ripped of part. Oh my God, man. It's like the worst feeling ever.

Like in theory, it's not like what they're saying. It's just it couldn't be further from the truth. And you can't sit there and defend yourself for us. You look nuts. It's like, you just have to sit there and take it. Yeah, I mean,

you get to a point on the internet where like it doesn't matter. Like people will decide what they want to decide no matter what. That's literally what he told me. Yeah. As he was like, come on. Like let's keep it a buck here. Like nothing you say will ever change anything.

So let them think what they want to think. Well, people make their decisions based off everything they know, which is like very little that's what I'm talking about though like the little you know about me you made an assumption which like fair because what else do you have to base it off of but now that we've had this conversation it's like there's more i knew what tj told me though that's what i was that's interested in having this conversation even more what do you say like she's not who she is online mainly yeah that you were like it was that you were much deeper than it's sort of you know version that you portray that you put out you know yeah and he like he texts me all the time

yeah and he's like yeah he's like you know thinking about you and it's like did he move back to He left for a long time. Yeah. Like he just, he's the kind of person that will literally like get a backpack and like go to a country and just like travel.

He said, I'm going to go back to my home country. Yeah. And I texted him. I was like, hey, are you in town? And he was,

he was there. Is he back? He was, I think he was with Steve recently, um, filming some stuff. Steve's crazy. He'll just like fly anyone from anywhere.

I'm like, come film this video. He has a lot of love for Steve. Yeah. I mean, dude. He's a lot. I think he feels anything but love.

Yeah, it's interesting. Like he feels nothing but love. Yeah, how do you get there? I don't know. I'm like, I want to live with you. Like, literally, like, he told me about, like, his experience in, like, romantic relationships. And he was like, I have so much love to give that, like, I don't want to be, like, just solely tied down to one person because then there's elements of jealousy.

And, like, I want to be able to show up for my, the girls in my life and show them love, not sexually. Just like, love, cook for them and take care of them. And he was like, every time I've pursued, like, a... private relationship like they get there's a lot of like jealousy there and he was like and I know my purpose in this life is to share so much love like off dude like like oh like I literally want to live like that he's like a shaman yeah he like he's like the leader of all spirits like I don't even understand like he is not a real person he's not human yeah he's a good dude he's like a part of God got a great heart

Insane. But I think it's because he doesn't have a bunch of things. He's not tied to a bunch of shit. Nothing. Nothing. Like, he literally will tell me, like, I'm not attached to money. I'm not attached to anything. Like, I just go and I see someone that needs my help.

I give them $100. I give them this. And he was like, Steve, even tried getting me a car. And I said, no, I didn't want it. Give it to somebody else who needs it. Yeah. Yeah, you were in that, you were in the plane with me. Yeah, you were in that conversation.

Yeah, that's what I'm supposed to go, Nicaragua. Are you going? that's the plan. But Steve was also insane. He'll like, like literally this morning, I was going to buy tickets. And he was like,

I'm leaving Nicaragua. Okay. I'm not flying. I'm not flying there then. He literally was like, come here, live here two months with me. And I'm like,

okay, I can come back and forth because I got to do the pod. And then this morning he's like, yeah, I'm not going to be here anymore. So he's nuts. So,

so yeah, I'll figure it out. I think we're going to go to Florida for sure. Come to Florida. Come on my pod. But yeah, you do a pod too for real. I saw it.

I'm like in the middle of like rebranding it though. What do you want it to be about? This exact conversation. I love it. Like just pivoting. Talking about differences. And like that could be spiritual. That could be, you know, motherhood.

That could be career-wise. That could be anything. Talking about real shit that no one talks about. Yeah. Like I could, I could interview you and talk about all of your successes and everything you've done amazing and beautiful in life. But I want to know about the times where it didn't go that way.

And the times that it shaped you to who Bradley Martin. is today. Sounds like my podcast. I don't know. I haven't seen. I don't watch podcasts. No, but that's what I, that's what I'm interested in. Okay. So you'll come on? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Great. That's like, I mean, like, that's what I try to talk about with most of the people is like, how do they. Some people don't have the depth to understand. Yeah. Some, not all. Some. And I've had that many times. I've had that happen where it's like I've tried to like, and they just, well, they're uncomfortable probably. Yeah, they don't want to go there. Yeah.

So it's like I'm probably going to have a brief before people come on. Like, hey, we're going to, it doesn't need to be emotional. But we're going to like definitely, I want to know what makes you you and how the struggles have shaped you into who you are today. So what besides the course thing and the collapse there, the downfall there that you had at the moment. Yeah, great. Yeah, keep rubbing in it. Yeah, terrible. Yeah.

Where everyone just fucking cooked you because you were like a scammer. God, fuck. Yeah. It's okay. I'm unks, so it's all good. Old as, yeah. Yeah, super old. What other points in your life were the lowest that you like that you think shaped you?

I don't think I remember them, but coming from like immigrant parents that had nothing. From where? Brazil. Okay. So I'm first born generation here. My parent, my entire family is from Brazil. My, they didn't know English. And like, we were living with my uncle and aunts that came first to like try out a job.

And they called my mom and my dad and they went out here. And they just ended up like staying in. trying to build a life. And so I was born as an accident. And so I think maybe not my physical being, but my soul remembers things. Like they remember feelings. I think my soul remembers like my parents, how they felt such a state of panic when they found out they were pregnant with and had nothing. And I'm talking like six people in a two-bedroom apartment. Like working at Domino's, picking up any sort of side hustle job, like going, dumpster diving to flip things. Like they really struggled so hard.

Here or in Brazil? Here. It was worse in Brazil. That's why they were like trying to run from like a horrible, you know, life. They saw the outcomes of like their parents and we're like, no, we have to do better for ourselves. So they came to America and they figured it out. But I think as a kid, I remember seeing my mom be bullied for not being able to speak

English and like seeing my mom struggle like looking at me. I remember like flashes of like my mom looking at me at a drive-through when I could barely you know, speak English myself because I hadn't gone to school yet. I learned English in school. My first language is Portuguese. I saw my parents. You still speak Portuguese. Yeah.

Yeah. So I remember like I would learn from like the TV and stuff and like my, I had like a little CD thing that I'd watch in the car. And my mom was like sitting at a drive-thru trying to order something. She was like, I just, I remember feeling the, I guess, anxiety that she felt and she would look at me and she'd roll down the window and I'd have to order. Mind you I'm like five years old trying to order number two from. McDonald's, like, it was like that.

Like, I think my body remembers the state of panic that my parents were in. And I think that that has shaped, like, the work ethic I have. Because they, like, fought so hard to have what they have. And, like, I mean, my parents lived out the American dream. Yeah, now you are, too. Yeah. And I just, like, I think there's, like, this, like, generational curse that my parents broke and that I just capitalized off of, right?

Like, granted, it probably wasn't the way that they wanted it to be. but like I always had like that like my my soul always wanted to like help them because I think I remember how much they struggled I might have not physically remember like exact conversations or moments but my body definitely does yeah well now you gave them that now it sounds like yeah they're my world they're my reason I have no kids I have you know I mean I have a husband technically married a damn near are you married no I mean we have a house together we own every yeah assets together we own every assets together. We have two dogs. We, you know, like basically. So it's like my family is all I have to keep me going. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of all, well, I guess you make friends along the way

they kind of become like family as well. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And in the grand scheme of things, it's kind of like all people really truly have. Besides yourself is like blood, you know. Yeah. And even then, like, I'm fortunate to have that. Because a lot of people, I've heard a lot of horror stories about their families and they have to cut them off for their own sanity

and for their own health. And that takes, you know, a lot of willpower and I think it's obviously hard to cut off your family. I don't think anyone ever wants to do that. But it's like I'm, I'm just grateful to even have them, to be honest.

A lot of people that I've met in the industry don't. It's a very common thing. Like, I know it's like taboo. Like, oh, she's probably fatherless. Like, I'm fatherless. Well, yes, I do know that. I've learned that today, and I'm very sorry for your loss.

No, it's all good. But that's very true. A lot of the girls that work in the industry don't have a good relationship with their parents, and they really don't. And a lot of, you know, I've met some that really do. And I was very fortunate to have a family that kind of was like, you know what?

Like, we love you regardless, whatever. Like, we don't want this for you. We don't want this to be how, because we know you so differently. Kind of how Chef T.J. told you. He knows me so differently than the honest. online. So it's like, I think that they're really happy that I'm now putting myself out there and having these types of conversations. Because I think before I was anxious to, and like I didn't

want to because then it felt like it was real. You think you could have got the same level of success if you did this instead? Maybe it would have taken longer? I think if I start to think about that, I'll just lose myself. I get it. Because I think so. I think, I think like there's so. Do you think so? Yes. Yeah. And that makes me. Like, I appreciate that because then it means that I make, I made the right decision. For sure. For sure. Because this, this side of people is just, nowadays, I think is just, you, you just don't see it as much.

You don't see really any of it because everyone's so trying to be either the perfect. Like trying to be authentic and then you larp it and then you look like, it's like, it's like, no, I've always said this. Nobody wants poised, polished, and perfect. It's not what anyone wants anymore. We want to find relatability in the people that we watch online, which is why I think you were so successful in the beginning of all this before everything started really like popping off and it became like a trend to like do Pilates and shit, I don't know.

And I think it's because it was just authentic. You didn't know anything else. You didn't know there was a larping, like you didn't know there was faking it. You know what I mean? So like that's why it's been so consistent. That's why you are in the place today. You're right. And there wasn't even like money in it.

Exactly. It just was. Yeah. That's why I think it's easy for you to say, oh, I wish people would just show this side. I grew up in a very different time in a sense of like, or the media I was watching was get ready with me and glams and this professional lighting. And, you know, I grew up with like Nikki tutorials and Jacqueline Hill and all of these like amazing, amazing OG YouTubers. And I grew up watching shows on Disney of people trying to become famous. Me and Owen, we're just talking about this.

I Carly, it's about a group of kids who post and they want to become famous, victorious. Like all of these things are people chasing fame. Chasing this like polished, like even in the movies are like, hey God. Like you know what I'm saying? Like it's it wasn't this just, that's how I grew up watching people, even Logan Paul. Like watching them strive for that next car. The next thing. The next, you know, whatever it may be.

I grew up watching that, consuming that. And so I think that you caught right before everything was polished, money, everything. Like, I didn't. Yeah. I got into this and it was like, oh, you could monitor. The first thing everyone told me when I got in social media was capitalize off of this hype. Capitalized off of this. Capitalize off.

It was all about capitalizing. And like now taking all money out of this, I have to like, and I'm learning that I really do love content creation. So I kind of did it backwards. Like I, I always like making videos, but like now I'm at a point in my life from like, yo, I love waking up and being creative. I'm thinking about doing YouTube. You know what I mean? Yeah. You did it the right way. Okay, it was all, you're right. I didn't have an example. There was no right way. There was no examples. It was just you were. Yeah. You just did it because you love to work out and you love to show transformation. You're like, yo, this is cool. Like my dad uses Facebook. Like this is a, I'm at, I'm at,

I'm having a beer. Yeah, I use Facebook 2.0.1.2. I'm a little embarrassed to say that, but. Well, you know, you're at the age where it's appropriate. Instagram was literally, I'm not kidding. It first came out. It was like little ugly ass borders that people only used Instagram to take those stupid pictures from on Instagram and you take it and then get a border and put it on your Facebook.

See, what are you even talking? That's ancient. Exactly. That's like writing in the cave walls. What are you saying? Yeah. And I know Face app. I know FaceTune.

I know like all this like perfecting. Oh, you don't like. the way you look here like just do this yeah but yeah it's true that's how we you know and grew up yeah i think that's what made us want to do social media and then you and honestly though like sometimes you have it and sometimes you don't like there are people that just like have that natural charisma on camera and people that literally would rather die than be sitting here talking to a camera yeah it's funny because when i first started um instagram was very easy because because it was like you could, you know, you film a video of something.

For me, it was just training. So it was like, I'm not talking or I'm taking pictures. So that was very easy. When I started doing YouTube, I'll never forget. I remember, again, I had those 25,000 subscribers. And I'm like, I put the camera in front of me. And I was like, oh, I can't even do this. He frees.

I hated it. I hated it. The only way I got over it was I started to, instead of speaking directly to the camera, I was like, because I had a good friendship with the camera guy. I was like talking to him. He just held the camera. Yep. And then eventually I was like, okay, now I'm looking at the camera.

But I hated it. I do that. I do that actively. But it works. It works. And then eventually you just like don't care. That's the key I think of like this whole social media shit. Like whatever you do or you're going to do, part of you has to not care what the people are going to say.

But in order to not care you have to love what you do. True. Yeah. Because then it won't matter. You're doing it because you love it. Yeah. And that's the thing. That's where it gets tricky because a lot of people do things that they don't love.

They just do things because they see money. And I think obviously like if this is your job, you do have to. like make money. I do think there's a level of you have to live, you have to eat, you have to provide, I have to provide. But like, I'm now realizing that people can do what they love and make money at the same time because it came from a place of like true passion. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. And I think that there are worlds where like maybe I'm not even the face of a product or something. I'm not, I'm not the face of it. Maybe I just invest in young entrepreneurs that I believe in the product.

Yeah. Maybe there's a world where, and I'm exploring that right now, like investing in brands that need funding and things. And that to me is, it's a risk because it obviously it could fail, but it's like they had passion, like meeting with people who have such passion for what they're doing and what they're like selling or the problem that they're trying to fix is incredible. Because just because I haven't found mine doesn't mean that I can't support others. Yeah, for sure.

I think it's, it's so weird now. Have you seen, because it kind of goes into the conversation we're having about like just authenticity and making content. And I feel like it's coming back and it's becoming more important. Also because there's so much fake now, not just like the girls who are face tuning or whatever like literally fake content creators. Like have you seen like like not a real person? Yeah. Like there's, I swear to God, there's like fake. I don't even know what the, I don't think it's called only fans. I feel like. like his only fans requires, uh, ID, ID. But there's other platforms that like, I know there are.

Oh, like a fansly, like AI creators. Or fan, yeah, or fan view. Sorry, fan view. Fan view. There's like, it's all AI. There's literally people, girls, it's not really people. It's girls, fake girls that are like maybe using other girls' bodies and then changing the face or whatever.

And they're like making content, getting thousands, hundreds of thousands of followers and then funneling people to, you know, like what would be O.F. but it's all someone else's content that's like AI distorted. Or just completely a fake body. Entirely fake. Yeah, just completely AI. And I'm not going to lie. I've gone and I've gone read comments.

I'm like, I could see this is a, this is a fake person. You read the comments and it's like real people like reacting. I'm like, dude, are people just literally this stupid? That, so that again,

when it goes back to like you getting upset or being mad about people's reaction, it's like, dude, you're literally talking about these people who are, like retarded. I don't even get it. Like buying something that's not real? They're literally commenting a fake person talking about how whatever,

how beautiful she is or whatever, like fake, completely fake and probably going to this funnel and buying completely fake, like it's not even real. AI generated like nudes. Exactly. And it's like,

damn. It's like a guy doing it to. 100%. It's probably like a group of guys doing it. And they're probably making tons of money. I mean, yeah. And I'm just like, dude, that is crazy.

But I say all that to say, Like, I think the direction of content, just in general, it kind of made be why live streaming has become so popular to is like, there's just real. Yeah. There's just. You can't fake a live stream. Right. You could, but it's like, bro, I feel like now they will. Now they will do like, they'll say it's live.

It'll just be completely AI generated like video. You think? Yeah. They're going to get there for sure. That's going to be annoying. But it does. It gets frustrating. But with all that said, like I think that the creators that will continue to have more success in the next, you know, five years.

there will ever be a world where like, you can't take away, like, you can't take away human connection. Like, you can, like to those. But you can fake it.

Like, they're faking a sexual connection. Yeah, but those people aren't. They're real people. They're real people. But they would never go outside anyway. Like,

let's keep it a stack. Like, you're not going to go outside and actually talk to a girl if you're buying a fake girl. But that's, like you would never end up being replaced by a fake version of you. That wouldn't happen. I don't know, man.

I mean, if you wanted it to, it could. No, I don't, I, I'm saying it's like me specifically, no, but like someone else created. There's no longevity in that because AI cannot actually give off human emotion. You cannot go and cry to chat GPT, bro. Dude. You could, but it's like people crave, that's the whole point of AI is because people don't know how to communicate with people anymore. And all of this is because people want human connection. but don't know how to do it.

So then they go and they talk to a robot. The whole catalyst of all this is community. For sure, but you don't think, 10 years from now, you don't think it's going to get so good and people are so... It is. I don't think we can stop it. They're going to be, there's already so dysfunctional in the way that they act or interact with people

that, like, it will just be normal. And then it becomes normalized. Then it's just, you don't even think that it's a thing that's weird. It's just like, that's just normal. How like we do that with everything. I think it's going in that direction. Sad to say. But then we'll just,

wait, what? So we'll be like the last people that do, like, no. Real content? I'm going to be optimistic about this and say,

no. I hope so, man. Because, like, even just think about politics, for example. It's the same concept. Like, I can't watch AI,

like that, it's fake. Yeah, but there's enough that are like, this is real enough for me. And like, I was going to even

this example of politics and not to get into politics, but just the concept where it's like, you could not know anything about something, but if you, agree with two other things this person has to say about politics and you just defer everything to

be their correct, their right. You just fall into that like group think mentality, this echo chamber. Like that that encompasses what is happening in America today in whole just like people don't like left. They don't like right. So everything that the left says is wrong. Everything the right says is right. Like if they're on the right. It's just like that's what people do. So you think that'll happen with AI? I think it's happening already slowly and it's just going to get worse. And it is a little It's just, like I said, I still think, though, then the only people that will have success in this space are going to be people that are just actually able to speak about real human shit. Which is why my podcast is going to be goaded. Yeah.

And I hope it does well for real. And I think you will do well. But it's like, even beyond that, it's just like, so imagine if the masses, because I think what is it, I think like they did some sort of thing, 50 or 49% of like all activity on the net is like bots right now. More than, like, there's more bots than human interaction. Yes. So if that keeps trending, then it's like, isn't it like a thing that's been happening for a long time? Like you bought your way up to the top. Hold on. I mean, that's a, that's what you're talking about like views and shit? Yeah. That's, I think that's been around. That's been on for a long time. But I'm talking about like all, they're saying all interaction, all in game. So it'd be like a comment on a tweet, a comment on an Instagram. It's like all just shifting towards less people all fake robots, AI, interaction. But then you have the thing that happens is the real people. see the interactions, they can't, they can't defer or they can't determine this is a robot,

this is a person, and then they just sighed or they agree. Like, it's happening heavily for sure in politics where it's like- So in theory, with this, with this theory, you could literally farm fame. Yeah. Yeah. And never, not even be real. Like something completely fake. You couldn't do a, show up. You couldn't pop up and like show out of like a, you know, a concert or like a meetup. You're not going to show up anywhere. But you could for sure influence people to a large degree. Like this is already happening for sure in the whole political sphere on like Twitter, for example. It's like you say something that is against whatever. It's you got a bunch of bots who are like, you're stupid or whatever.

And it's like not even real people. And then other people. I don't even notice like that. Yeah. I spend time on Twitter. So I see it. And then obviously other people then will be like maybe they're like they'll just see and be like, oh, maybe that person's right.

Like yeah, this person. It's just that's how a hate train starts. Yeah. It's just stupid people who have no critical thinking. But I think that's what social media and that's what all this apps and all the shit is done to us. See, that's what I, like, I go on social media to, like, my job is entertain. Like, that's the job is to enter, like, your social media content creator to be entertaining

for people who watch your content. Right. And it's like, that's, I entertain for the people that want to watch me for people who don't, I don't even listen to it. But you're, what I'm saying is you're an outlier. Like, you're speaking to you directly. You're not the norm. But the norm is just going to fall into whatever, like, bucket they're being sort of pushed

towards. Yeah. I think that's bad. Yeah, well, I think that's like, it's only... I think everyone should, I mean, it's a thing, though, it's easier to believe what you are being fed than it is to go and look at it yourself. Yeah.

And like, read. Yeah. It just is. It takes time. It's people already claim that there's not enough time for, you know, whatever it may be. Like, the same way I claim there's not enough time to go to the gym. Like, it's the same thing.

You just have to do it yourself. And a lot of people don't want to. That's why. isn't that the whole point of AI for it to be a tool? Yeah, but then you know how people treat everything. Yeah. They just rely on it entirely. Exactly.

Defer everything to it. And then there's just... It goes back to my point of a surplus of anything is a horrible thing. Yeah. I just think we're going to be cooked. And it can literally ruin your life. I think we're cooked in 10 years. Like all of us are going to die and like AI is going to take over the planet?

Yeah. Maybe 20 years. Yeah. Yes. How old are you? 37. I'll still be here. I'll be here.

Yeah We'll hit each other up and like smoke a cigar And be like what the I knew it I found me like I knew it I knew it Yeah was there like a crypto coin Like a Cal she bet we could place

What can we run this on right now? Not sponsored but still Yeah that's yeah Let's place a bet It's crazy I just I just saw I'm always I'm so interested in the future I don't know why I was always

I feel like you spend a lot of time Thinking about things that haven't happened yet Yeah that's not a good thing It scares me If we hung out we'd be hippies in the grass like talking of we need a ground we need a ground we need a land of

DMT and like freaking that's so real a version of higher version we'd end up in a jungle somewhere for sure we would not end up we would never come back to California I'm gonna live here we're gonna go to Peru bro

we're gonna end up on one of the world's seven wonders or whatever yeah I'm gonna stay there dude holy that's why I got the van just to leave Do a van? Yeah, you walk past it. I was, it was hot. I was just trying to get in the AC.

Yeah, no, it's fair. It's foul. It's foul. You don't like camping? No, no. I don't know. You don't look like a camper. No.

I like glamping. You're like, no, I need the air conditioning. Well, that has air conditioning. Well, that has air conditioning. It's nice. Yeah, I'd probably do that. But like a tent?

Yeah, that's a glamp. Yeah. Like a tent and like eating off like the world? Like going spearfishing for fish and like cooking it? I've fished and I've cooked it. Yeah, I've done that. No, but like a tent and like I've driven that leaf

Leaf to ass like Well I had like a little thing that I put out It was nice Like a little tent with like a little A little fancy little blow up thing Your big ass Yes Yes dude

Yeah Like I go with my brother He lives in a van He lives in a van for 10 years Can you live stream that? I would I don't know the service is terrible though I don't even think you get

What's it called? Starlink Yeah look at us Just turning camping into This is my issue. Get a Starling tweet about it. Live post it. Post your location.

Make it a meetup. To see we're cooked. Everyone wants to come hike with me. Like, dude, we're cooked. This is it, man.

This is the final frontier, human nature. We're cooked. We're just, we're 100% destroying ourselves. We're so fried. We're destroying ourselves, guarantee.

Holy shit. Are you going to stop, though? No. Oh, to ride to the wheels fall off. Fuck it. No, I really. God, it's so torn.

At the end, we're still the same. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. And then I talked to TJ and he's like, no, just disappear. And I'm like, you're so right. You're so right. Dude, he's actually right about everything. I know.

I know, I know. I know, trust. But like I'm not listening. I feel like in 10 more years, I'm there. Bro. I'm there. 10 more years, I'm fully. Bro, give me like 20.

I'll meet you there. Yeah, yeah. You got time. You know, when you start flying high, bro, I'll meet up with you. When you start calling, you're talking about some, I need you to live off the land. Yeah, yeah. We'll meet you there.

I'll meet you there. I need my kids at least, like, go to college or something. And it's like mom went nuts. Mom went loony after I went off to college. I feel like college. And I'm going to like write a book about like becoming your true self. Yeah. And then like we just become like orbs.

Then you start doing women circles and shit. Bro. I start leading ayahuaspa. And then there you are with the fucking leaves and guiding people through meditation. Yeah, I became a shaman. Yeah. I'm become a shaman. common.

I'm with it. Wait it. So you've not done I-LOSCA. And then we sell a course. How to find one-ness, yeah, within yourself. And then we start a whole other group of Scientology. Oh my God, a new religion, let's go. Dude, that's awesome.

I'm sold. Same. We should patent that. I'm signing up for this course. I'm signing up for this course. We should patent it. Holy. It's, you are in, you are in.

You are interesting because it's from the outside, for sure, people are like, this only fans. Duh. But you're what I wanted you to think. You're so completely different. I know. That's cool. Yeah, it's good.

Thanks. Fenest them. I finessed you. You did. You came in hot. I was like, Jesus Christ. Wasn't that hot? Yeah.

Sorry, sorry. It's okay. Sorry. Then you found out we are one with the earth. Yeah, I was like, she's my sister. We are together. Can we please have edits made of like us attacking each other in the beginning and then it's us being like we're going to be shaman. That's how the edit ends.

Yeah, Justin got that. He's a hippie too. That's why I love him. Oh, great. Yeah. We're all going to be kumbaya in the end. Holy fuck. Okay, he's a hippie for real.

We should write a movie about that. I'm down. Like like. Wait, we should wait. Like one wish willow. Yes. I've never seen it. Oh.

Isn't it like kind of paranormal and scary? Like culty. I think we should like invest in like a really high production like docu-series. And like we just film us like exploring like Chef T.J's ways. And like we go to all these different places where like it's super energetic. And then we like accumulate all of this knowledge in like a year. We go like like what I'm talking like the marketing scheme is you delete everything. You delete your YouTube and it just says coming soon.

It's like dot, dot, dot. And then it just, we come back and we're like wearing clothes that we've made from like the land. And we're completely different. And then it's like the funnel is we somehow have like filmed our journey into like becoming one. And how everyone's really the same. And how. It's true though. It's fuck because it's true.

And our marketing scheme is like, it's like I came, me and Camilla once, she came in as an only fan's binbo horrid. And I came in hating them as a fitness junkie who does steroids. And we have come together. Yeah. And we found out that we're really just the same. Click the link in my bio now if you want to learn how to become one with your enemy. Bro, we could be the next like KSI and look for. Yeah, you're good.

You're good. And the podcast. You're good. You're really good. You're good, dude. I have to come on your podcast now. I'm so coming. Bro, this whole time I'm just like salespending.

No, but I love it. Adam. Damn, you win, you win, you win. I get it. You came in and you tried it. Now we're like best friends. You won, dude. I know, right.

I was telling people before I'm going to cook this. Yeah. And then now we're like, we're going to do a TikTok twirling hands. It's like in the ground. God damn it, bro. How did this happen? How did this happen? I'm not kidding, man.

It is Chef T.J. It is Jeff T. He's, I'm going to. I wish. You should call him. Yeah, I'll call him right now. What's up, man? Good, good.

Dude, I just did this interview with her. I hated her, bro. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Is it muted? Oh, you're in Nicaragua. Oh, I love him. I want you to know, like, he's going to, like, write a book on how he, like, brought people together and, like, saves people do it.

He's the best ever, man. I love him. Better? Yeah, way better. Way better. Yeah, man. I don't know. What did you say?

No. She's so nice. I'm gonna with you, bro. I can't even keep the joke going. She's here. She's here. Can I just tell you something? We came in as enemies

and we left as best friends because of you. Because you spread so much love. Yeah, we love you. We love you, Chef T.J. Bro's insane. Okay. Well, yeah, listen, I appreciate your time. Thank you.

I think we just started a start of a great friendship. I agree. You think I'm kidding. We're going to be together a lot more than you think. I believe it. I believe it. And I want to come to your show for sure. Please do.

And yes, thank you for your time. Sorry, I was a little meeting to you. It came in hot. I don't know. It's okay. Really? Yeah. That's all right.

I could take it. See? Yeah, you're good. I know. You're good. Wow. Not what I expected. Are you pleasantly surprised, though?

Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Yeah, you're awesome. Yeah, you're awesome. Yeah, everyone go show us some love. Don't be a fucking hater. Every Tuesday at 11am. I love you guys. I'll see you guys next week.

Bye guys. Yeah, you got everything, right? Yeah, I'm good to go. They find you on Snapchat. Yeah, yeah, Snapchat, Camilla Rugeot, TikTok, Camilla. Yeah, show love. I love you guys. We're out of here. Love y'all. Bye.