RAWTALK - Clavicular’s Most Extreme Looksmaxxing Methods & The Truth About Attraction

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

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So how, how did, how did your first, um, like, because I, I, I've seen clips talk of you talking about like, yeah, doing, yeah, doing math. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, how that start? Well, so that start. because I went on a trip with some buddies and you know you're not really too sure all the time what's in like some of like maybe the Miami cocaine we just opted to do math which we knew was going to be more more pure so that's kind of how that started and then you actually take a look at the science of what math actually is and it's really not too far off from just your traditional run of the mill adderol so you know

is dexamphetamine, right? Yeah, it's a different. We were taking dextromethamphetamine. So really not that much different, just a bit longer of a half-life, because my goal was not only just for the productivity and the psychoactive benefits of methamphetamine is also for the appetite suppression, right? Yeah. Trying to look smacks a little bit with meth. So I agree, that's a little bit crazy.

And I just want to clarify, I never advocate anyone to do this. I'm just like, this is what I did. But I don't think people should take stimulants. I think more people are going to go about stimulants in the wrong way rather than the right way. Yeah. So just right off the bat, do not do not do that any of the shit I'm talking about. Yeah. Because there's so many other things.

There's so many different peptides and other things you can do to suppress your appetite. Oh, yeah. No, I'm on Reda Trutide too. Yeah. And a pretty hefty dose of Reda. So, you know, I take 15MG. But I just have such a high baseline appetite that like I, you know, man, I don't really have time to do cardio these days with like streaming.

and stuff. So if I want to go on like a really heavy shred, I was just like math maxing. It sounds. It just sounds insane. I know. Yeah. It does sound insane because like I'll sit here and I'll like explain it and I'll just be in like a fully monotone voice. It's like yeah, I'm doing fucking meth. So I know it's bad. But I haven't done meth in a while. So for like two weeks now. I don't plan on restarting. So so we're done. You don't have you don't have, they didn't get you on the addiction side yet. No, dude. Being addicted to drugs. is like, I don't know, it's kind of a lack of willpower, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. But there's certainly like more addictive things, like a lot of opioids and things

like or something like Benzos, which make you like actually dependent. Yeah. Whereas stimulants, you just like feel bad. You don't really have the same drive that you do when you take them for a long time and then you discontinue your usage. Yeah, the drive goes away, but you're not necessarily dependent. So I was able to quite easily get off of this. Is that the most extreme thing you think that you've done for the whole the look maxing sort of world? I would say that how early I started TRT would probably be the thing that would be the most extreme. And just the introduction of things like HGH and aromatase inhibitors extremely young would be the most extreme. That's generally the consensus. I would say that in my opinion

that doesn't really seem that extreme to me. It seems very logical. cool, but that's just like what gets the biggest reaction on other people. I would say the meth, in my opinion, would be more, you know, over the line. Yeah. You know? And so you started taking testosterone when you were how old? When I was 14. Oh, dude, that's insane when I hear that.

Yeah. So what's the logic behind that? You think that it's going to help you grow? Because it's more, the growth hormone is going to help grow. Yeah, yeah. Testosterone is not for, you know, vertical height growth. it actually will serve to detriment you, which a lot of people don't realize because of the aromatization into estrogen, that's going to cause your growth place to fuse, right?

So it was more for, you know, facial masculization, going for a more dimorphic look and, you know, developing like the facial bones, things of this nature, just going for like an overall masculized look early into my life. Yeah. You know. So we got to talk about the, the, the, the, the, whole goal of the looks maxing thing is like from your perspective because this didn't become i feel like i don't know when did when did looks maxing actually start to become like a talking

point well i would say that it became like a well-known like trendy like joke back in 23 august of 2023 is when it skyrocketed in popularity but it was mostly just like a lighthearted thing it was more just like joking around like mewing maybe you like people doing the stupid shit with their job so that was 2023 was like the first push i would say now this is like a new uh iteration of looks maxing that i'm kind of talking about now which is actually what looks maxing was always meant to be was like doing whatever it takes to ascend type of mentality so that kind of got lost with like the first popularization because like a lot of the creators weren't really like tapped in with the actual looks max community but now i'm saying like guys like

is serious because I talk a lot about the ideology of why should you looks max why is it so important yeah you know that's what I want to talk about so yeah because I'll be I mean candidly speaking like obviously I understand to an extent the way you look affects the way that you're received by people right right so taller people normally are are looked at maybe a little bit more respected just because like it's just like a default thing that human sort of see yeah And then visually, yeah, people tend to give more opportunities or more action in any sense, not even necessarily like sexual relations, all that, just like even men to men are more like I'm more apt to sort of give you the time of day to hear you out if they, not if they're attracted

to you or I'm not saying it's like a guy on guy thing, but like just in general. It's just a subconscious bias. It's the halo effect. But it's also a little bit of a feminist in trade, caring to some, like to some crazy degree how you look, because we were doing this pod last night. I mean, I've talked about this plenty of times, but I was with Stiney, we were talking with Skybri about like, why are people so concerned, like in interrelationships of men and women where it's like, you know, men look for women. And one of the highest sort of things that they look for is the way that they look visually, right? And the, and the highest thing sort of women look for is financial security, so like money, right? Those are the two sort of trade-offs.

Well, is that really true, though? The highest thing that women look for is definitely still looks over, over wealth. I think that's been very easily disproven by like a lot of the, you know, self-report studies that we've seen and just like, you know, stuff with dating apps reporting their data. So I don't really think that's true at all. You think that women look for for looks for looks more than anything yes yes absolutely you know really yeah you don't think that most women i guess i guess in the short term that might be true but like in the long term do you think that that's what's true i think that you know when it's time to actually have a partner in the long term that might come into play more but you know a lot of these women won't even give you the time of

day to, you know, prove your value, prove your income if you're an ugly motherfucker, right? So if you can't even have that first interaction go well, there's no way to build a rapport with women and, you know, be this guy who's got a high income because you never even had that door opened, right? So looks are 100% the most important driving factor in relationships for men and women. And just circling back to the thing about it being feminine to care about your looks. I not necessarily like you're not saying yeah yeah so I I do agree with you I think it's feminine only because women are the only you know people who are right now caring about

their looks but that doesn't necessarily make it feminine in you know your pursuit of of improving you know it's just something that they traditionally have have cared about you know but there's nothing inherently feminine about looks max it's yeah it just seemed I don't know I guess my perspective of it is like there's so many more things that a man could focus on. Not that, you know, if he can't make himself look better, right? I'm not saying like, don't do any of the things to make yourself look better. I do believe that. But to some extent, it's like there's so many other sort of buckets in your life that you

can improve on that would also make you more sought after. And I do understand what you're saying where if there's no initial attraction that maybe that no matter how much money someone has, maybe they're just not even opening that door. But I do think that changes as you get older. I think as you get older for both sides and both sexes, people are looking for different things. I think when you're younger, they're definitely looking for that, right? But I just think it, I think it evolves. Well, I think you would be right that there is a lot more you can do as a man who's unattractive to kind of build yourself up. Like if you're a woman and you're ugly, you're pretty much fucked, right? There's

really no getting around that. As a man, you could increase your income, you know, you could become a high status person. But the problem is that a lot of people leave out, this key piece of nuance, is that you have to, you know, succeed so much in terms of, you know, your annual income or how high status you are to compete with people who are good looking, right? So maybe we're sitting here talking about it, influencers or some other red pill guy who are like top percentile, like this is not, you know, your status and your income. Like, that's not going to be achievable by the average person, like, listening to the podcast, right?

So, whereas maybe improving, you know, 20 percentiles in looks is much more achievable, which is why, like, as a general rule of thumb, I think that looks maxing is a better way to improve yourself as a man than income and status. I think it's just more realistic. So you're, because it's a lower hanging fruit to be able to do. Yes. I see. For the majority of the population.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I like to speak in sociological terms. I don't really like to. And then people will say, well, what about this guy? It's like, well, what I'm talking about is across societies. So yeah, looks is going to be much easier for the average person to improve upon because to become high income and high status enough to where it actually like means something is going to serve to halo you. You really have to like push push the limits hard. Like even making like a million dollars a year. You. year, right? Top 0.025 percentile in the United States. Going against a good looking guy, you know, you're probably still going to be at a huge deficit there, you know? In the dating market, you're saying. Right, yeah. Yeah. But you know, so do you think the reason why you have success is because of your looks? Um, on social media. Yeah. Um, not entirely. I would say that there's probably a lot of variables that go into it but probably just i think my speaking abilities are good i think i'm so that's what i was going to say i think i think i think the reason

why obviously you know being attractive is is a good thing but i think the reason why you're able to even have any success on the internet is not just because you're an attractive dude is more so because you're able to speak clearly and coherently i think that's more one of the valuable traits right yeah and that's one of the most important traits that you can have as a male has your charisma and speaking abilities uh being able to convey ideas so yeah i would i would definitely agree with you there that it's it's more so that but it's also just i i've definitely looked a lot worse you know growing up and posting the transformations and stuff has definitely uh helped with with gaining a little bit of traction but yeah i would tend to agree okay so we got to talk about that

pull up the clip with uh ed i saw this clip where you were explaining to ed on stream about how you used to look in 2023, I think it was? 22. From last night's dream, right? Yeah, I think so. I don't know when the show. I just see the clips fly around. It's interesting because you're speaking about it as if

like you weren't, I think at that time you were 17. In 2020, I would have been, yeah. So like, yeah, this one, this clip. So you were 17 in that picture there. But like, aren't you also just growing up you don't think that you would you would have like no no i i agree that you know a lot of the times people go through puberty and they look a lot better that tends to be how it goes you

grow into your face uh your fat redistributes but um i've taken things a lot further than just simple development i have you know really work to optimize all my growth pathways in every way that I know how, right? So maybe I would have been slightly shorter. Maybe my frame would have been a little bit worse, right? So a less masculized face. I think that the base is obviously like one of the most important things. If you're someone who's horrible off genetically,

you're not going to be able to really ascend that much unless you're getting, you know, these extreme plastic surgeries. I can use the word ascend is so hilarious to me. I'm not going to lie. No, the terms are funny, man. So we'll have some good ones today. But I don't think that the base is to be overlooked. I think that's complete bullshit when people say, oh, like, you know, you just have to do these things and you could become a top percentile, like, Chad.

It's like, no, if your genetics suck, there's really not much that you could do. You're just going to improve, right? So that's essentially what I'm saying is like, yeah, maybe the base was okay, not the worst in the world. but this was not just regular puberty that I did to achieve my results. So what are all the things that it took you to get here? A lot of pharmaceutical intervention, I would say is the main thing that I talk about, like, you know, TRT during puberty. You know, so having like that super optimized developmental stage is really important,

as well as HGH. I started that when I was 16. for a little bit more vertical growth. And obviously, you know, with, I've used plenty of different compounds like, you know, Mastron for increasing dick size was another one. I took, so that's, that's one that works. You think Mastron makes your dig bigger?

Only when you're young, right? Your penile development stops when you're around 16. Interesting. Yeah, like if you're to use like DHT gel while you're developing, like you're you're going to have gains for sure so um and yeah so so there's there's been a lot of different stuff that i've done to just pretty much enhance growth pathways what's the pump thing you've done that dick pump yeah dude people always ask about the fucking dick pump man uh i don't really have time to do it anymore i you know just to be fully honest i don't even

work out anymore i haven't got to the gym and over a month which is uh i feel like wouldn't that be a main stay in what you no i fully agree with you it's it's it's It's, uh, I still think that that the case is just streaming has kind of fucked me up. Yeah. With everything. So I fully agree. The gym is one of the most important things you could do as a man for looks maxing. Because not only are you building your physique, your presence, a lot of the times you're

recomposing your entire, you know, physique and getting leaner. So that's going to help you with your face a lot too. Yeah. So I'm a huge advocate of the gym. Yeah. What about, what about the mental aspect of it, though? Of the gym. Yeah.

Um, I fucking hate the gym, quite honestly. I cannot stand the gym. Uh, it's just something that you kind of have to do as a man. Like, I don't really think that it's an enjoyable process. If you're training correctly, right? So people will watch these videos of like, you know, the gym influencers, like maybe you watch Rich Piana, like eight hour arm workout. Like, that shit is fun.

Going into the gym and just filling your muscles with like lactic acid and getting a pump. It's really fun, right? Taking Seattle, but that's not really the most optimal way to train, like, according to the literature. Like, training in like a super optimal sense in terms of hypertrophy is not exactly a fun process. Like we're talking low rep ranges, high restorations. So it's not like really that much enjoyment to me. Yeah, I see. But I think the thing that I've gotten the most out of it is just like your ability to overcome shit in your life. I think it's the most valuable part of the gym,

which, like, if we're talking about as a man and being better in any regard, that's not just outward facing, I think you develop so much through the gym that you just can't overlook as a man. Yeah, and I think it's almost a similar process with, like, looks max almost in a sense, right? The intent is quite similar, right?

You're trying to transform yourself. One is just your physique, and one is just more, you know, tailored to your face. You see that? Timblins? Yeah. I don't know. I just never,

I can't say I've never cared about how I look because that would be a lie, right? I've done bodybuilding for vanity purposes for so many years. But I just feel like at some point, you're just like, do you think you'll be like this when you're older? You think you'll care so much about how you look when you get older? Well, dude,

it starts to diminish, certainly as the other metrics improve in your life, like your status and your income, like, you know, you go through your Instagram DMs, like once you start having like a little bit of fame on Instagram versus me like at the start of this year I worked in a fucking restaurant right it's just the the switch up on life is so exponential that like I could see how that could happen to some people it's like you really have it made

um but like to achieve that and for the looks to not matter anymore you have to succeed at such a high degree that it's just it's it's not realistic for people and you're talking about just in regards to like that's the personal anecdote yeah and you're talking about in regards to date dating yeah yeah absolutely and overall treatment too it's like um you know maybe someone who's not the best looking guy uh but they're you know a superstar like actor or something people are going to be treating them you know phenomenally no matter what they look like but once again that that's not something that will ever be achieved by um the majority the majority people yeah so it's not worth acknowledging Interesting.

So you started taking TRT, you used testosterone and other derivatives when you were, you said 16 or 14? I used master on when I was in HH when I was 16. And you weren't going to the gym. I was going to the gym. I was a very consistent gym goer up until really like when I started streaming when it all went to shit.

I probably lost about like 15 pounds since I started streaming. Might have been the meth though. Well, it could have been the math. But yeah, it's just like a lack of time, so I guess. But I'll get back into the gym soon. Yeah. So what did you do? You said you worked where before this?

I worked at a restaurant. Okay. So what made you be like, hey, there's this. Like, how did you see the opportunity of this, the speaking points, the information? Oh, this is all stuff that, you know, the reason I had that restaurant job was to afford plastic surgery, right? I was trying to save up. So that was the intention behind it. Um, so I've always been thinking, this has been my mentality for ages.

Like this is not, this is just something that I started, uh, getting traction on social media with quite recently, but this has always been my thought process. So, so what got you thinking about that so young then? What got you thinking that I need to be more attractive to succeed? So it kind of started off as more of just, okay, there's this thing that I could take, which is steroids that will make me, you know, get to the, physique I want a lot sooner in my life. And I was always just, I had a home gym, you know, in my basement, a lot of weights. So I was lifting them, you know, when I was a young kid. I was like,

wait a second, because I was also reading on forums about, you know, like bodybuilding.com. And I was like, wait a second. If there are these steroids that I could take to achieve my results quicker, like, it's like a cheat code and video. Like, why wouldn't I do it? So that's kind of what got me started there was just like, okay, achieving results quicker. I'm not someone who really cares about, I'm, The ends always justify the means, in my opinion. So that was why I started with that. And I would just be reading, like, you know, forum posts, like Reddit and from bodybuilding stuff, because I did enjoy bodybuilding a lot.

Like, I was a huge, like, kind of Rich when I was growing up. I'd say it was probably my main, like, inspiration, one of. Rich was a good dude. Yes, I knew him well. So, like, you know, when he says, like, whatever it takes, like, that was always. something that really resonated. So, you know, as more of like the influence of like the lux maxing, like maybe the face is more important than the physique started to creep in

because obviously you saw the pics there. Like I was just dirty bulking off of fast food every day, just trying to put on as much muscle as possible. Then I was like, wait, maybe, you know, I'm going about this a little bit wrong. You know, maybe there's the face is more important. So that's kind of just like a realization I had. And I shifted my priorities a little bit. what was the first plastic surgery thing you did i didn't i haven't had plastic surgery yeah that's what's

the first thing you've done that's like what that you've done to your face that um well i've done like a lot of things like fat dissolvers like i've injected lipolis agents into my face uh was was a big one i've and bone smashing was another one that yeah this one is i find it's so funny so so we're just with todd duffy the other day talking about bone smashing and he was telling us like Yeah, absolutely. His face has masculized quite a bit from just like the sheer amount of trauma and micro fractures. You look at like the Strickland x-rays of his shins. And this is according to a principle called Wolf's Law, right? When you break down a bone, it's going to grow back stronger. So you're just localizing it and, you know, being a little bit more precise

rather than just joining the MMA and getting punched randomly. You see all these guys' brow ridges. They're, you know, insane. So this is just a more like meticulous method. Is there some sort of metric? I see you like rate people. How do they get the metric? And who's created this metric of like? Well, this is stuff that's been around since like ancient Greece. Like when we talk about the midface ratio, this is something that they created.

So there's something called the golden ratio. And I'm just someone who's been in the space and super into aesthetic for a long time. So I could just kind of take a look at someone's face and have. like a very, very accurate understanding of like how they would score harmony-wise, like we were to do all the measurements, just like in my head in an instant. And everyone could almost do the same. They just don't know it, right? These are subconscious biases because these numbers are based off of what's ideal. And what's ideal, you already know, but you just can't like, you know, necessarily articulate. So you know if someone's good looking or not in like a half a second,

just looking at them right away. Everyone knows it. I just know why. I know specifics on on what number is wrong. So that's kind of how I go about it. All right. Do me. People love their ratings. Hmm. I really, this is like my, this is actually my least favorite thing to do.

But, um, hmm. Just because I, I just know it's going to be a clip. I'll be honest with you. Okay. Um, well, it's, it's not really easy with like, you know, a hat and beard, you know, just to, because that's like a, another very important thing. Yeah.

Like I would say most of your face is kind of obfuscated, but I would say that you're above average in looks. I would say that I would probably score you around like 5.25. Okay. So like that's above the 50th. So above average, yeah. Solid. Damn, she pulls some old photos of me without the beer.

Yeah, let's see. Pull up, I don't even know what to just type my name, I guess. no click images click images I don't know why that's the first one where's me without a beard I think the sevels yeah the sevels good yeah look at that dude

when was this that was about four years ago maybe okay yeah yeah let's see I got the earring in yeah I don't know I'm not a huge train of the jewelry and stuff

I don't really I don't know how to That's crossing the line for you? Not crossing the line. Your lines are interesting. Yeah, a little bit. Because the stuff that I'm talking about, you know, like bone smashing, as long as you're not an idiot like me who's posting all the shit on social media, if you do it, no one's

going to know, whereas like you're wearing an ear pierce. So if you conceal like your looks maxing, it could only serve to benefit you. So you do it, you like do it here. Yeah. And just to get like the cheekbone more prominent? Yeah. So I'll like lay in my. bed and punch myself in the face.

No, stop. Stop, bro. There's no way. Yeah. Dude, I'm telling you, bro. So, um... Sorry. It's insane to me.

I know it's, I know it's a little silly, but, um, like the science is there. Um, the anecdotes are there. Like, bone smashing's legit, you know? It sounds. So you don't take a hammer and go like this? I used to do it with a hammer, but my mom used to always take away my hammers. Because they do us, uh, they would come into, my bathroom and they look through all the jaws and like they take the hammers out like all the

hammers in the in the house would be hidden what are your what are your parents think about everything that you sort of become they fucking hate it but um it's it's doing well now so it's like okay um there's nothing they could really say but what did they think about the testosterone did you did you like tell your mom that like how did you even get it so young well my mom did shows as well so um she was a competitor yeah so oh that's cool but no they were not in support of the at all. They used to always take away my steroids. So, like, there'd be times where I'd be screwed. I'd have to go, like, a month without pinning or something while I was for resourcing gear. I'd have to, like, ship it to, like, a PO box or just, like, have them hold it at the post.

And they'd always be taking away my steroids. So I'd be screwed. I'd have to hide vials of tests in, like, 10 different locations to avoid going hypogynaddle when I was in puberty. You're not concerned with your sperm count, just diminishing? Well, I mean, I, I, I don't know. I I've been using HCG and when it's time for a kid, you know, I'll also use HMG. Yeah. So I don't really have a concern there. It's so rare. It's like, you know, what one in 100,000, you know, chance of going fully infertile from testosterone.

Yeah, there's a lot of ways to bring it back. Yeah, there's a lot of like fear mongering with that kind of stuff, which I don't really like when people just, you know, say these things. Oh, test is going to make you infertile. It's like, dude, there's that that's not really true. at all. Yeah. So are there are there so there's nothing you were sort of concerned with doing to achieve the look? There's nothing that's like no dude um I really like am like a pretty low in hip guy like I don't really get concerned over shit. I didn't know exactly what I was doing certainly when I started which is like the main thing that I regret is like not being more well read um on pharmacology

before starting doing roads but at the end of the day almost no one. is so um if i could go back and just be more well researched i would have yeah you know what happened recently you were with uh the santa cruz guy you did the jutsu shit and this guy was like went really hard on you oh yeah no it's it's fine that's what sport is you know yeah it's classic it's how it always anytime you're filming it's like just you already know they're not going to go they're not going to go they're not going to go any sort of low percent they're going 100 yeah did you expect that um no not really But, like, because we were, that was like 30 seconds after we walked into the gym, like. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I don't know. That was like a big thing that people talked about. And, um, I don't really have a problem with myself. Like, I would, I would expect that. Like, I would want people to not necessarily go easy, um, on me. But I would probably like to have, like, done a little bit of, like, practice first.

Yeah. You know, uh, because I, I'm, I just don't know Jiu Jitsu well. I've, I've even seen. you do jujitsu too it's difficult you know it's hard as fuck you know it's like one of the hardest things ever yeah it's especially someone who's who knows how to do it well it's like chess man like even someone who's like a lot smaller than you um if they know how to like position their body right and they've been training for a while like know how to distribute their weight like they can really like you know throw you around so it's is that ever something you would try to do more of or is it

not like... MMA? Dude, I mean, I thought it was really fun. Like, regardless of, you know, how I got my ass beat, like, it was enjoyable to that whole experience. But I just really don't have the time these days with all the content. But I would certainly do it if I did. Yeah.

Yeah. I saw a clip of you putting, like, I don't know, on your shoulders. Shoulder pads. Bro, that was, I'm not going to lie, that was the gayest thing I've ever saw, though. That's gay? That's so gay. Because it's like... But it gets your result.

I get it. But if it gets you more women, how's a gay? It just, I don't know. There's so, I understand. It's not gay. You see, like, you always ask, how is it gay? I don't know, man. It's just like, you know what I mean?

Because it's feminine, because girls do this thing, you know? They use the same thing to get this. I guess you're just. And it fucking works. So we fall for this shit all the time, man. Sometimes you take off a girl's bra. You're like, holy shit, man. You know, get a little.

So why would we not do the same? I get it. I understand the reason. but it's like just fucking hit shoulders more do both do both what are we talking about here it's like these things are not mutually exclusive mechanisms to improve you know what I'm saying so yeah absolutely hit shoulders but imagine we were you give you shoulder pads like bro you'd be fucking even bigger you know like I'm not telling anybody hey you don't have to you know work out anymore here's this like alternative I'm telling you work out and do that

you know I see yeah so you you're you don't think though there's people who are going to see stuff like in the clips in the moments and just like defer to the easy route because most people just do the easy thing they don't oh absolutely yeah yeah no most people would absolutely take the easy route but that's not really my uh responsibility because i'm very clear with what i advocate for yeah um you know i think that people should be doing whatever it takes right and that's just taking a step further it's not one or the other i'm literally doing whatever it takes, you know? Yeah.

Damn, Rich Fiona mindset. I love it. Yeah, man. Speaking of fitness people, what's your beef with Greg? Or he just has beef with you? Because he likes to talk about you. Yeah, well, Greg likes to talk about anyone who has a little bit of clout going for them

or is in like the mainstream, I guess. At the time, like you did the same thing with Togi. So it's just, I'm like an open cover. Yeah, I see the comments here, the new Togi for, for Greg. Yeah. I think, well, me and Togi might have a little. a good amount of similarities. It's maybe slightly different intent.

But yeah, so no, Greg, he makes a lot of these videos calling me out for, you know, doing roids. And then he'll push his like fucking coplaments of like, you know, terkastrone and all this bullshit when it doesn't fucking work. It's like, what did you actually do, Greg? Like he's on steroids himself and he's swaying people away from them to take natural copes. and sell a cookbook right so it's like the most obvious like you know just just grift ever it's a

marketing tactic yeah i mean it's how fitness has been fucking forever before it was like the you know the ads they were like 500% increased like eating this protein of muscle synthesis and it was just all bullshit and they would use bodybuilders to continue the sort of bullshit basically yeah like i'm i don't recommend people to take steroids unless they have uh extremely comprehensive knowledge on what they're doing. So I'm not just, like, running around haphazardly telling people, oh, yeah, just get on fucking roids, right? So I'm saying, you know, do the research, have a very comprehensive understanding,

and then there's benefit that you could get out of them. That's, like, a very fair and, like, mild take to give. But for when Greg, who literally uses steroids to attribute his success to a fucking cookbook, like, what are we talking about here? You know, this is just an obvious, it's a scam. It's just a money-making opportunity, which is like, fine, like I get it, but don't drag my name through the mud to sell your shit, you know? Yeah.

I mean, there are, there are obviously the food you eat is important, right? There is, there is. Oh, no, absolutely. I would say that the cookbook is probably one of the better things that he sells. Well, I'm talking about like the, the, not, I don't call him supplements, coplimate, you know, so all of all of that kind of garbage, like over-the-counter nonsense. I would say, you know, funneling people to that instead of, like, what you actually did as a creator, just, I don't know, it seems a little disdating. I see what you're saying, for sure.

Is there, is there anyone in the, in the, because it sounds like you came from the, in the beginning of everything. Yeah. It sounds like you came from there more, more prevalent than any other space. Yeah. Is there anyone else that you'd really like to collaborate with in that space? Well, hmm. I think that you know me and me and actually David laid who I've talked to for a little bit have a lot of similar understandings with pharmacology so that would be a potential cloud I love David yeah so he's pretty cool and that's obviously like one of the just top people

in the fitness space ever yeah that'd be a really cool one um and and togy obviously but I think we've got something coming up soon yeah I spoke to him yesterday at the gym he was he was asking me about you because he knew they were going to do the podcast oh yeah okay that's good um so yeah no we'll have something set up with togie for sure um in in the near future but i i don't really i don't i don't know too much about the the modern fitness space i think it's uh i'm really disappointed in like the direction it's it's taken um you know it's kind like a fall from grace i would say i i you know like the the stuff that you used to put out like rich like in the 5% stuff like that that's what I liked right I don't like like modern

era um shit what do you what do you think what do you think has happened from your perspective because you sounds like you were because if you were watching rich that's that was like the beginning of everything just you've seen it all yeah that's just the it's just the mentality of the influencers right they're not like actually willing to it and that's really what got me going was like you know the the mentality over everything um i don't really think that anyone gives a fuck too much about the gym anymore it's kind of just like a hangout spot it's like a thing for girls um and that's never really what i like to see growing up you know you like the actual workout stuff yeah yeah it's changed a lot i think it's just because it's gotten to a point where it's

also cringe now it's gotten so saturated because people just go oh i can just like get halfway in shape and then I'm an influencer. Well, yeah, all the stuff with like the lighting and it's, you know, a lot of frauding. It is what it is, but we've seen that in this industry for a while now too. Yeah. I wonder if it ever goes back to what it was where it was just like more, I don't know, I guess the word is serious or like actual hair. I think you've talked about it before too is people were work out for maybe six months

have like a little bit of muscle that's able to be kind of frauded in like downlighting and start a fitness page whereas back in the day to actually have a little bit of clout like you know Jeff's side like you rich like you have to be like a very you have to have your accolades in check

and like actually be like a serious person who's worked out for years for the community to actually like respect you whereas now anyone is starting a fucking Instagram page and doing you know fitness coaching literally three months into training you know yeah I wonder if look maxing gets there

or like anyone just starts doing the look maxing coaching because that's something you sell right yeah yeah so that that's um something that i've recently done yeah i wonder if it just turns into the same sort of shit just like everyone's just so concerned with money yeah um well that's social media in general so obviously uh any niche would take the same you know course you know yeah over time gets saturated oh this is easy i can make easy money yeah that's nothing new it's all social media stuff so do you actually care about it about looks maxing yeah absolutely yeah um i'm so not someone who really cares as much um about like maybe on a one day

you know term like if i look bad or my my hair looks like shit or if i get a bad haircut to not post that's like a very common thing in the community but i just want over time to improve myself right i'm not someone who uh who you know gets caught off guard on the picture and throws a fail oh bro delete that i'm like it is what it is i just know that i just know that i I'm working and I'm doing when I can to improve. Yeah. You know. Did you, so you, you grew up with both your parents, right?

I did. And they're both, they're both, don't like what you're doing, or? No. They don't. It's gotten me a little bit of success on social media, so they're having to be like a little more accepting of it because it's like, okay, if something is doing so well, you know. What do they not like about it? They think that you're...

The meth stuff was probably the worst of the worst. And it's bad because, like, they're... friends will see it and um you know it's i i guess would people would assume it's a bad reflection on my parents but i was just always a very like independent kid like my parents tried to stop me but no one no one could like it was not their fault that i am the way that i am you know because they they really did try to like you know get me to not be doing steroids and but i was you know doing whatever it takes once again yeah so so when you when you were young and you first got into the this you know your journey essentially you've been trying to get to where you're at

did you always because i've talked to a lot of people over a very long time and most people who end up having success always have this mentality that there's something more for them than what they're doing currently despite where they were actually at and how far away they might have been from it did you always sort of believe that not necessarily would you be here but would you have more success in your life? Well, there was like a pretty like hard period in 2024 where shit started going like pretty wrong. I got expelled from college after three weeks for for steroids.

How do you get expelled for steroids? It's fucking bullshit because I had probably like 80 vials of steroids in my, my dorm room. I wasn't selling them. I just had them many steroids. Why? They would expire eventually. Just like all the stuff that you would buy from overseas would come in like hits of 10.

So I would have like 10 vows of trend, 10 vows of equipoise, 10 vows of, you know, this ester of testosterone, you know, a different ester. So that was why. And, you know, they were just like, okay, you're gone. And I didn't know what the fuck to do with myself. You know, I was not doing social media really at the time. like I was shit posting stuff on TikTok but I have no income from it so I had to go back to work at my shitty restaurant job and that was like I was very unsure of like where my life would go

at the time but I didn't really um in what ages is 18 this was last year oh shit yeah god damn quick turnaround yeah no I know um so then what I decided was okay well I know if I improve my looks my life will also improve so i grinded every single day i was working like 75 hour weeks because i wanted to afford plastic surgery which you know i'm still getting uh within the next month uh and i was like okay so i'm gonna grind every day i save up my my 35k i'm gonna invest in in jaw surgery and then we'll take life so you're going to get jaw surgery to do what to advance my um you know upper and lower jaws so it's the bimax and uh get so what they add spacers or something no they just do an osteotomy extend it and then put plates and screws so your face is going to look longer yeah slightly

move forward as well so um it's a little bit hard to explain unless you like i've looked into surgeries a little bit but um uh that'll be coming in the next month so that that's what i intended but that was like okay i'm gonna go to work i'm to save up for this and then from there you know, I'll obviously clear my investment easily because investing, you know, $35,000 into surgery that's going to have a massive increase on the way people perceive you, the opportunities you have in life, you know, no-brainer. So that was my mentality there. And that's kind of what kept me going was I had like a milestone to work towards. And then I, you know, just started doing social media again because I was like, fuck it. There's no one in college who's going to see

this shit like I'm not trying to you know have like a social life or anything so I was just spamming like the super autistic shit like videos of me bone smashing because it didn't matter right I just worked with a bunch of fucking other servers in a restaurant so so I started doing that again and then over time it started picking up more and more traction people like the stuff that I was talking about I was able to to monetize it so I just kind of went full time with social media so Okay. So you kind of, it kind of found you a little bit. I mean, you're just kind of shit posting and it kind of just starts to work out. Yeah, even before I was kicked out of school. Like, I was a pretty big name in the Lux Max community for like about two years now.

Who are the other big names? Like, who do you think it brought it? Because you know you talked about it in ancient times as far as like aesthetic and proportions, but who do you think brought it to the mainstream currently? This guy, Syrian Psycho, K Shami. I don't know. if you've seen him on TikTok, he does like the Patrick Bateman stuff. No, I haven't. So he's just a buddy of mine who kind of did like the first push in 2023. But it was more just like lighthearted like jokes, maybe slightly less intensive looks maxing. But now I've sent it in the direction of peptides and surgery, which might seem insane.

But what I've always responded to people who tell me how insane my methods are and how over the top it is is I'll refer them back to like you know some of the statistics about dating and how you know the bottom 80% of women are going for the top 20% of men like that's insane right so maybe it's just an adaptation to the world that we live in you know yeah for sure it's weird man it's fucking we've gone to a weird ass place yeah we we're living in weird times yeah where it's just like I don't know I get it I understand it I understand why you do it But do you think there's any, any sort of bad that comes from pushing it? From pushing, lux maxing, yes, because most people will get severe BDD, body dysmorphia.

So from understanding aesthetics, right? If you learn all these numbers and you understand like facial harmony and you're not within the ideals, that's a tough reality to face. but it's kind of just like a hard truth that you need to get over and then because you need to understand the problem before you could find a solution so it's just that that's going to suck finding out your unattractive is a really hard thing but most people know it already they just don't know why so absolutely like people could be perfectionists and really take things over the top

like we've seen like those guys like the male Barbie bullshit botch jobs who have like three rhinoplasties and their noses are like non-existent so shit like that can happen uh if you're not objective with yourself so so i do you know worry about that but at the end of the day there's a lot that you could have positivity you could get out of improving yourself i mean it's kind of like bodybuilding like the same thing like yeah you could take it too far you could take anything too far i mean the genetic thing is you're never going to out sort of run that but regardless of where you're at you could always improve it so it's the same sort of concept i guess yeah and and bodybuilding is

arguably way more dangerous of a sport than what I'm doing. You know, we're talking over here about TRT, right? But then you have guys like Sulek who are probably on at least, you know, a few grams of steroids, you know, that doesn't really get as much criticism as me talking about HGH during puberty, you know? Yeah. So I would say that that's probably the first place to start. And that's where people are really fucking their health.

You know, you don't see people dying from looks, maxing, that's for sure. Yeah. What about the makeup thing? I think I saw a clip if you talk about makeup with guys like, that's, that's, that's kind of, kind of what? That's feminine. That one's getting feminine. Well, yeah, that one.

Because isn't there some, there's some level of, like, masculinity where it's like, also being a man is accepting who you are. No. No. No. I don't think so. Because if, if you just attributed, if you, like, you know, use that same mentality, for like the gym just accepting who you are like no one would fucking work out you know so like why can

we like pick and choose like what to say like oh just accept who you well accepting who you are and like working your body is different than like masking something from the outside well so like um if someone has like horrendous acne you're telling them that it wouldn't be a good idea to cover that up with makeup that just seems like a very logical thing I guess in that circumstance I mean, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about people doing fucking like, you know, traditional feminine eye shadow and all I'm talking about just like, you know, concealing like acne is one of the things that have mentioned before.

People just hear makeup and they'll be like, oh my God, like that's so gay. It's like, no, you're maybe people from time to time will cover, cover up like some, you know, discoloration on their skin. Concealor. It's like, is that really that over the line? I see what you're saying, you know? Yeah, I guess I just saw. the clip and I was just assuming it was like well to be fair the way that I do a lot of my content is like

we we say math or we say makeup and because that's just like a clip a headline but when I actually like explain what I'm talking about oh we're talking about desoxin that's a prescription dextra meth and fed we're talking about maybe a little concealer for a frag so it's not as bad but just when you hear it right off the bat without me having to explain myself um you know that's where they seem crazy you know I saw the podcast of you with Matan, where he was saying you were gay because you cared about looks. Yeah, that's just, um, he's a troll. Yeah, yeah, obviously he's, but people on Twitter love to do that. They love to do the whole name calling thing.

And I think it's just the same playbook being used, if I had to guess, that was used on conservatives for the longest time with the whole calling people a racist. Yeah. You know, it's like, how do we actually combat this new thing? Because, and a lot of the times, they don't even know what this new thing is. what I'm talking about looks, Max. It's just people are worried because I say the N-word, so maybe they think it's like some new conservative movement.

First of all, I don't really like politics whatsoever, not at all. So they might be just trying to like kind of stop me in my tracks by, oh, this guy's a homosexual, you know, they love to do the name-calling thing. Yeah. That's been forever like that. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, it's just the same leftist garbage tactics. Like it doesn't work, calling people racist.

it doesn't fucking work anymore yeah i saw like i saw that clip of you on the pod with uh myering the guys and the the the girl was like don't say that you're like i just said it yeah no exactly man so it's just like a very i'm just like um a free spirited person like i don't want to have to restrict like the things that i do or the things that i say as a creator because um i would never be able to create content if i was like worried that like a camera was on all the time so i just act the exact same on and off camera. That makes it a lot easier for me. Yeah.

I mean, bro, like as far as success in this space now, I think that's the only way to actually have success. Right, yeah. It's almost undeniable at this point because like we've talked about these, you know, the fitness industry, fall from brace or any, any industry where it becomes like just a regurgitation of what everyone else has said, the copy and the copy and paste. The people who succeed now are the people who are just like, hey, this is who I actually am.

Fuck it. Right. Yeah. I've never had to sign or have anyone fucking sign an NDA, that's for sure, because, you know, it's the exact same, you know, dialect on and off screen. It doesn't matter. It's so easy. Why do you think people, why do you think people when they hear certain words, they're,

they're so triggered to say like, oh, he's just racist? I think that that's just the way that they were raised, like, their, their upbringing for sure and, like, indocturnized, stuff like that. but I think more and more as we advance as a society since Trump was elected and all this stuff for the most part that's not how anyone reacts to my content I don't really think like I read through a lot of the comments of like clips of me saying that word and generally nobody cares anymore because they pushed it so far back in 2020 with COVID with the banning and like the fact that even Donald Trump was banned off of social media platforms people are just fucking tired

of it um and i guess i'm kind of like you know pushing back against that that wave of cancel culture like it's been totally broken yeah yeah it definitely feels that way i think it's a good thing for sure no it absolutely is and i i always say this uh every time i talk about like that kind of stuff it would never be possible without nick nick took on all the heat of you know things like the ACLU and uh the ADL like he was you know in in the focus he was like so he allowed people like myself to skate by under the radar maybe just you know using some some offensive terminology I guess you could say some offensive jargon uh in a lighthearted way and not really get canceled so nick was the one who paved the way yeah I think it's funny how

back in the day it was just it was like just super normal and not even not even in an offensive way yeah no I don't say I don't say in an offensive way at all I don't sit here and say do the whole like I'm not a racist speech, but at the end of it, like, it's just like a very lighthearted, like, joking around thing. Yeah. You know? How did you get linked up with Nick? How did that relationship start?

Um, through, I was someone who like, kind of had a few mutual connections with him. And they really wanted us to do something together because I was big in the TikTok space. And, um, I was getting canceled for, for something, um, for a joke. that I made. I said that someone did mock me because they're black and I doubled down like really hard. Like I did an apology video where I said the N word in it.

So Nick kind of like just thought that was funny and we did a live stream together and we've been talking for since. Yeah, he's a good dude. I think you guys made that content the same time I did the first interview with him. Oh no, that was the same trip. That's what he was here for. Same trip, yeah. Yep. So that

was good. Yeah. I think do agree though i think it is important that like we as just as a whole move past like this fucking name calling of you know if you if you say this then you're just a bad person it's like man i think if you say something with ill intent you're for sure shit yeah no and i'm always i'm quick to like i've talked to the one guy um gypsy crusader um who i i don't really like what he does he'll just like he's actually got like a hateful intent in his heart and he'll just like go around calling people like the end word i'm like dude like what the This isn't good.

You know, I'm not really a fan of that. Like, I think it's just, you should just be able to be, like, completely free-spirited and then the way that you want to talk. Yeah. As long as the intent is not that of hate. Yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. I've seen it for sure.

And it's definitely more, I don't know, I don't want to call it violent, but it's just more, uh, it seems like it comes from a place of actual anger than just like, I'm saying a word that we should give less power to. Yeah, exactly. man it's it's kind of a pain in the ass to have to get looped into that category when you just want to be able to say things that you want and joke around with your buddies it's like you're telling me that you know all the people on twitter them and their buddies in high school aren't saying the n-word it's like what are we talking about here just the way that every single kid my age talks right you know i'm a 19 year old kid uh using offensive terms is something calling your friends retarded that's existed since uh probably this country was was created yeah i mean i grew up saying the same shit man yeah exactly like it's just it is interesting i just find not not about to talk about politics or anything but it is interesting how it became

this whole like i you can't talk about this you can't talk about these people you can't say anything bad it's it's just it became very weird yeah no it's the worst um but the yeah then that's another reason i don't like politics uh is because just like the censorship you know you you start talking about like actual issues that matter. That's when you really get censored. And I don't want to lose my social media platforms for that. Not that I even care about politics to begin with. I think there's so many better things for any man to prioritize over politics. Sure. And a lot of the people who are posting on Twitter about like, you know, the election or complaining, you know, oftentimes are in a horrible spot financially. It's like, why the fuck are you so concerned about the next election

And when, you know, your credit score is like less than 600, miss your car payment. Like, and we're worried about, you know, Trump versus you have a Newsom, it's like, really? Yeah. I mean, it's easier to get people to be divided. Obviously, the whole goal is to create division within people. But you're right. Yeah, like in your personal life, what's going to actually do you better is probably figuring out yourself financially and or trying to make yourself more attractive or

go to the gym. Do something to actually be better instead of just fucking argue about politics all day. It's definitely become, I don't know. it seems like the last five years it's even more i don't want to say the word popular but it's happening a lot more where it's just like everyone arguing about everything and it i i don't know if that's really the issue it's more of just like a a timing thing like for how much people spend watching the news and um you know going on twitter they could be even if it's not looked Like, you could spend that four hours a day that you're probably bullshitting about politics,

you know, perfecting a skill, you know, looks maxing, going to the gym. It's really not an issue of, like, being divided against your neighbor. Like, I don't really think that matters. Like, I think individualism is the most important thing to succeed. Like, I don't really think that you should strive to, like, get along with everyone. You should just try to advance yourself as a man as much as possible. Yeah. And if that pisses people off, you know, so be it.

Where do you think you learned, where do you think you learned stuff like that? Like individualism? Yeah, just like, I mean, I don't think there's a lot of 19-year-olds that are just frankly, I mean, maybe I'm wrong because I don't know a lot of them. And maybe I just know you in this situation. So I could direct it towards you. But do you think then, I guess the better question is, do you think there's a lot of like younger men or just younger people in general that like have that perspective?

No. I wouldn't say so. I think that it's definitely something to do with me being slightly neurodivergent that I'm potentially able to see the world in a different lens than your average. A guy who would be probably right now in a fraternity, just drinking. So I have a unique situation. I have a unique perspective on the world. So I don't think it's common at all now.

Yeah, okay. Where do you want to go with all? you want to get into like acting or is it just like i want to stream be popular on social media what's the what's the end goal um at least right now obviously i'm an accelerationist in what i do so i want to see like okay uh where is the world going to take us in terms of like the dating market falling apart like i kind of want to i'm interested to see how bad things are going to get with uh people's resentment for potentially good looking people um you know resentment for you know God only knows

intergender stuff could be an issue. Not that I'm saying like I want that to happen but I'm just like curious from a sociological perspective on like because dating is a huge part of life

like one of the most important like the intergender relationships. So for that to kind of fall apart like you know that could lead to a huge societal collapse like in a lot of different ways. Yeah. I mean I think it's just like

already kind of happening as far as like birth rates declining all this shit going on where yeah and and like the statistics like you know uh young men 18 to 22 like uh two thirds of them haven't had sex in six months so like once this becomes more and more widespread and even to the point now where someone who's averaged or slightly above average in a lot of cases can't even find like sexual partners can't even find a girlfriend like that's not a society that's going to succeed you know yeah so it's things are going to get definitely worse from here what do you think are then speaking we'll talk a little bit more about dating what do you think are the things that are driving that in the wrong way instagram instagram was the worst introduction um of of of a platform

because what it allowed to happen was okay maybe a girl is able to have selection of her immediate surroundings like everyone in her town and hypergamy will still exist right you know potentially a girl who is uh lesser in terms of her looks percentile will still want to date up for like the the top echelon men in her town but now it's a worldwide thing for these girls to hook up with like football players and um you know like professional athletes just in general actors um so so it's becoming even harder and harder imagine you're the guy in this girl's town now, but not only are you competing against, like, this Chad,

you're competing against, like, Lino Messi. Like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? So Instagram definitely was one of the worst things for dating. But it was going to happen eventually. Yeah. I think the thing I'm so interested in is how AI is going to, like, just destroy it seems like this entirely.

What? Dating. Because it almost like we're going to get to the point. You don't think so? No. No, I don't really think that, like, AI robot girlfriends are ever going to, be a thing you don't think it's going to take off no you don't think it's good enough that people

be like i'll just do this because it doesn't argue no uh no you just you just need to know how to how to take work with your girlfriend better and then you won't have that issue um but no so AI girlfriends like that's not really a thing that seems like it's in the immediate realm yeah but have you seen have you seen we were talking about this last night on the pot i did again with stony but have you seen like the fake AI people like they're not even real and like they're and followers. Yes, it's, it's becoming a big thing. AI is getting very, very good for, like, you know,

creating fake personas entirely on social media. I think a lot of people are starting to do it with only fans models. Yeah. Like creating entirely not-existent people. So that's why, like, if you're a content creator and you haven't established your personal brand yet, you're going to be fucked. You've got about like a year or less to do so before, you know, AI is able to actually out innovate just even our brains as creators, you know?

Yeah. Well, maybe not me. I don't really think the AI would have done a lot of bone smashing and math. Maybe that would have been outside the realm. So maybe I would have been okay. But most people who are just doing like regular run of the mill, like content street interviews, like this shit is all going to be faked like very, very soon. So it's going to be difficult unless you've already got your following established.

Yeah. I'm just talking about that relationship of like the fake. content creators and people who are actually buying like these you know only fan type products but is there a difference between like buying an only fans of an AI girl and a real girl it doesn't well I mean the main difference is like now a real girl is actually not making money it's just some dude in his base good created it yeah fair right but yeah fucking good what I'm what I'm saying to that point though is imagine that gets so big that like you just have guys that are interacting with people that aren't even real and they're just spending their money they're

obviously they're doing it already. We get it to someone that's not real to them. Yeah, that's already happening. But that's crazy. Like that is that? I don't really think it's really that problematic. You don't think so? No,

not at all. I think that, um, that's just almost kind of funny that. I think it's hilarious. Yeah, it's funny that like people are able to just create like fake only fans' profiles and steal the market cheer from horrors who like committed to this,

you know, life path. Um, but I'm more talking about the way it then affects, the way it's affecting men where like, there now be even less like apt to actually go and approach women to try to actually succeed. I think that porn has already done that and like all that kind of shit. It's already solidified. Like to me, there's no difference between like if someone watches porn of two people

who don't actually exist and it's a computer render versus two people. Does that really seem different? I see what you're saying. Yeah. So I don't think that's going to be a problem. Yeah. So what about dating with you? change dramatically since you've done all this obviously as you've gotten more cloud it's probably

yeah it's just easier to like secure like um very like primitive women um will will dm on instagram and it's like it's easier to secure like one night stands i i guess you could say but that's just not something that really matters to me that much um i'm more so focused on career and streaming so yeah like it's cool you know you go in your instagram DM requests and there's like models and shit it's like it's all right but it loses novelty pretty quick novelty already kind of like wore it off for me yeah like all right this this is good so at some point obviously like not saying at this point your life you're you're looking for something serious but when you do look for something serious what do you think you'd be looking for outside of

the looks oh yeah that's that's easy right um so just someone who uh well obviously not someone who's focus on career like you don't want a girl who's wanting to work in like a corporate environment and working long hours you need someone who's willing to you know start a family with you essentially um just a girl who is um extremely like modest too is another big one like not wearing revealing stuff like not posting on instagram because the way that i explain it is um your girlfriend and your wife is an extension of you. So if she's not doing everything in her power to make you look better as a person,

then that's just not something that you should want to get into, right? And the counter to that would be, well, oh, well, men and women are equal. It's like, not exactly, right? We're just different, you know? Yeah, that's a fact. I guess I mean more so, like,

what traits do you look for in a woman that are outside of the looks if you were to take someone more serious? Well, besides the things that they do. besides the things that they do in regards to you like like conversation ability like those sort of things i don't really like a woman who tries to be super educated either and try to like have these uh you know intelligent conversations because a lot of the times like you could you know and this is talked about uh by socrates and a lot like a woman could be very

well educated but that doesn't make them a good thinker so they just might have a like a lot of these like facts in their brain maybe from books they've read they don't necessarily know how to interpret them properly uh they won't make the right conclusions so i just don't want a wife who's like wanting to argue about like you know politics and shit like that all the time just a girl who's lighthearted um really not too concerned with anything outside of what's right in front of her um it is ideal right it's that that's kind of what I look for so get in the kitchen make me a sandwich shut the fuck up or what no because that that that makes me sound like one of those red pill misogynist

guys which I think is like very cringe yeah I hate that like oh make me a sandwich bitch type of mentality because and that gets ascribed to me sometimes because I'll go on like a podcast like with women and I'll tell them something like I don't think you should be working and a lot of times people say, oh, this guy's like Andrew Tate. And it's like, no, like, what, if you would actually let me expand on my point, what I'm saying is that I don't want women to work, that's actually the harder thing, right? Because I think that men should be taking care of their woman. Yeah, sure.

That's much more difficult for me to suggest. And like, you should be saying thank you as a woman for men advocating for this, not like accusing someone of misogyny. You know, I just think it's a little bit silly and ridiculous to think that any woman could have a serious career and start a family that's not a realistic thing yeah so i'm like yeah i don't think you should work it's not it's not it's not misogynistic yeah that's valid i mean that's why that's why i brought the point that's why i said it i think you're absolutely right on that yeah and like um also shit on girls for doing like only fans and pornography but then after i go on like my my rant i'll say

i don't blame you like there's a society of men who are are funding this degeneracy they're gooners It's like, why wouldn't you take advantage of them? Like the, it's like a layup shot right there. It's like the opportunity. So you almost have to blame like the men a lot of the times. And people say, oh, well, you're not going to hold women accountable for this? It's like, well, what do we really expect? Women are, they don't have a lot of foresight.

They're not very smart. Of course they're going to fucking do this, right? It's our job as men to kind of shape society in the way that we want to. And if you guys are going to be buying their subscriptions and sitting there jerking off all the time, of course they're going to fucking do it. You know? It's being, they're being enabled for sure. I'm not going to sit there and hate on the check for doing it necessarily.

I'm going to call it a horror maybe, but it's just taking advantage of an opportunity. Yeah. Damn, you nailed it. It's funny, dude. I just, I find it so interesting your generation, like, seeing the shift from, I guess, my generation, we were taught so much like, oh, you got to be this, like, politically correct. But it's refreshing to see the newer generation just not give a fuck. I'm going to be honest, man.

Yeah. Because it's been needed. And this is a new thing, too, man, because even when, like, five years ago, things were a lot different, like, the scope of the realm, what you could get away with, like, in terms of just even bands and stuff, what you could say in, like, a classroom has vastly changed. Yeah, it's needed, though, I think. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Who have you done a stream with since, like, you've had some popularity that you've enjoyed the most?

That I've enjoyed the most. I'm trying to think honestly I've pretty much liked all the glabs but I would say sneako was was one of my favorite ones that we did yeah because um before sneako uh I wasn't really known as someone who had any insights on like sociology and the dating market politics so we did a sit down desktop stream just like kind of randomly like out of nowhere like we didn't even plan it um And then we got to do like a multi-hour long conversation and people are like, wait, you know, there's actually something to this guy that could be just more than just an IRL live streaming jester essentially. Yeah, more than just a look max there. Yeah, right. So I was glad I got to like explain the why on everything, why it's so important to looks max. So that was probably one of my favorite clubs. Yeah, sneak go super sharp.

I always enjoy talking. Yeah. before that one you didn't you didn't get to explain much of it it was just like people just looked at you and they're like this guy's like he's valid for things he's saying but he probably seems a little crazy yeah like that was the general consensus yeah everyone thought i was i was pretty much crazy because i i had done maybe some sit down like long form stuff but no one fucking saw it right i was streaming uh to on twitch like earlier in the year but like pretty low viewership like the clips weren't what they were now so yeah people just thought I was like some out of my mind, motherfucker. And I never had the chance to, you know, show them otherwise until the first kind of big podcast I did was with Jack Neal. Yeah. So that kind of allowed me to have like a platform to say like, okay, like maybe this is more

reasonable. Yeah. It's good. I think it, I mean, obviously the speaking aspect, I think that that for you is even beyond the whole looks thing. I think that's, like I said earlier, is the most valuable thing you have. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. Going back to the looks maxing thing a little bit. This is like sort of like clip question stuff. But what are, what do you think is the number one thing a guy can do without knowing the guy, obviously, like if a guy is listening to this podcast, what do you think the number one thing he can do to improve himself visually?

Getting lean is just the thing that stands out the most. That's going to drive 70% of what's achievable, going as far as hard maxing, going as far as steroids. being lean is just essential because you can't even see your bone structure or how you actually look until you do so. And it's incredibly important because the average guy who's maybe 15% body fat, and that's probably on the lower end and with the obesity rates we see today, if they're able to push

the limits further and get down to like that 10, 12% chisel, it reveals so much definition in your face that can make a huge difference. okay so being lean yeah absolutely and it's also one of the easier things do you ever talk about dieting do you ever talk about like specifics of diets and stuff like that yes but what i usually say is after puberty um it becomes more of just a a macronutrient total than like the specific uh food selection like food selection really doesn't matter as much as people think it does especially with GLP-1s, like registered shoot-tide and stuff, it just matters that you're hitting your protein for the day

and you're maximizing like your motor unit recruitment in the gym with carbs, having like 250, 300 grams of carbs, you know, two hours before training, stuff like that. And whether you get that from white rice or, you know, potatoes, really doesn't fucking matter. So you're a macros guy. Macros, absolutely.

Yeah, macros are the key. That has helped you use personally. Yeah, well, I mean, right now, guys, I have not been working out. But, yeah, so macros, I would say, and I would say that people miss using carbs has been the biggest thing that I've seen, you know? As far as timing or just as general. So they'll kind of scatter their carbs randomly throughout the day without like knowing why.

Like people have somewhat of an idea that you need carbs before they train, but sometimes they'll see people have like a rice crispy treat. It's like 17 grams of carbs. It's like, no, you actually have like maximized. like motor unit recruitment like how many muscle fibers can you actually activate when you're training you're gonna need like upwards of 200 grams you know carbohydrates right yeah so of course um so that's a big one that has always and then you you actually go and you eat these carbs like guys try this at home have that many carbs saturated in your muscles you will be so much stronger uh like right off

the bat and you'll never be able to go back quite literally so that that's one of the most important thanks for the diet. Yeah. It's funny when I really, when I first really got into not bodybuilding, but when I first really started to understand the pharmaceutical side of things and the dieting side of things was because I was 18 and my dick didn't work because I over dieted. I over trained for like probably like two and a two and a half years to the point where I was so lean because I was obsessive. All right guys, quick interruption for the podcast rougent.com. Okay, if you guys are looking for that extra, you know, um, in the bedroom you had a little bit of a soft time you're not trying to have it anymore go to

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not FDA approved and have not been reviewed by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or manufacturing. Individual results may vary. Full safety information is available at ridget.com. What body fat percentage? I never actually checked, but I remember I had like a vein from like top of my dick all the way up, but under my chest. Like I was so lean, like to the point where, yeah, my face looked super drawn out. But it was actually very unhealthy. healthy because of the way I was eating when we were talking about macros I I can't obviously I'm I'm older than you so I come from this generation of like the no fat generation was the first thing I learned that's also something that I I talk about um continue your story

yeah yeah yeah I'll let you go but so I uh I basically I would eat I know this like to a T because I this all I ate for about two and a half years straight I ate cottage cheese no fat I ate oatmeal. I ate blueberries and I ate chicken and then I would eat broccoli, but I would cook nothing in fat. I had no fat sources. And I'll never forget, man. I remember I was like, I had a girlfriend at the time. I think I had her come visit me. I was in the dorms and I like literally could not get hard. It was like one of the most embarrassing. Because I was like so active. I would train all the time. I would run every night on this, you know, I went to Sacramento State on this river. I was super lean like to the point of like it wasn't a good thing. It was so.

over the top done that it affected my hormones right so yeah go ahead the dietary fat thing yeah that's very necessary for your libido and that's why when you cut super hard or are on prep for a bodybuilding show like that's the food restriction that can kind of fuck you up the most with with your sexual function but in terms of body composition it's really not possible for you to maintain the strength in the gym, maintain your protein intake, and be in a deficit unless you go about it with a no fat diet. So in terms of like acute fat elimination diets, it's not the worst thing in the world for your health. It's like, yeah, there might be issues of libido if you do this in a sustained manner. Not sure how long you went on zero grams of fat. Probably for about a year, maybe a year and a half.

But if we're talking about, you know, a month or two. Like intermittently. Yeah, that's not really going to be problematic but even going for something like a 50 gram of fat thing you could usually still have a pretty good macronutrient profile and that's going to be more than enough to maintain sexual function yeah i had like bro i was zero for so long like i remember going to the doctor and he was like he wanted to try this viagrin i was like what the fuck i'm 18 i shouldn't be using like eating dick bills that get my dick to work no i like vagrants yeah no i do too i'm not saying i don't but at the time i didn't know enough about anything and i was just like remember being 18 thinking like am I going to have to live the rest of my life using this just to get

hard this is crazy but that's when I was saying that's when I really got into learning about actual pharmaceuticals and learning about testosterone and learning about all this stuff and and the diet the thing that I completely overlooked and I remember I went from like super super lean to actually getting a little bit chubby for probably like a year period to then obviously getting back in shape again but I mean it was the point where I was waking up fucking in the middle of the night peeing because my body was essentially eating itself like i was waking up in the middle of night four times yeah and also the information that was available to you not only was it scarce it was also wrong a lot of the times like you know the classic like bro splits and diet advice even like

the cycle you know protocols that people would post so you probably had no idea um that it was like the fat restriction or maybe you did at the time i i did once i started to read about nutrition specifically and I started to understand like how hormone function worked in unison with eating fat. That's when I was like, okay, this, this was my issue. I knew I was, I was eating. I'm talking about like I avoided fat like it was the fucking plague. Like I did everything in my power. Like if I ate anything, like if I cook the chicken, like it would be to the point where I would use Pam and then I would like wipe the chicken off. It's fucking insane. Nice. So I was like, but it got it just it just got me to a point where I was like psychotic.

I was also to the point where anything I'd eat at any point, I would like, I got to go back to my dorm room to do like a thousand pushups. Like it was dumb. Yeah. I mean, but it's no one's fault. Like back in the day, you would agree, like the information was like really bad. Yeah. Yeah.

And honestly, it's quite a recent thing that you're actually able to access like a lot of good stuff. I would say that after 2022 is kind of when like it got to be figured out. But before then, it was just a lot of gas work. you'd see guys doing like stupid ass shit like remember the thing where the guy would uh break the day up into like three so that he could train more frequently like he would he would wake up he'd spend a six hours and uh then he'd go to sleep so he could train again just shit like that was just like really silly was just plaguing the community but now it's like more scientific i would say

yeah is there anything you do that people wouldn't know about for either physique or look looks maxine something that people don't know about hmm obviously you're very open with everything you've done but like is there something that you know they wouldn't know something they wouldn't know well there's something that i like to do a lot of injection lipolis so to to dick max like site site injection yeah so to dick max all inject fat dissolvers into my mom's pubis yeah oh my god so yeah

because it's around the base right yeah around the base and I've done something even does that hurt sorry yeah yeah and that's probably not the most autistic thing that I've done so I've tried something

where I did PDO threads which is like a dissolvable collagen thread to create volume like a lot of people like med spas will do it to you know fix under eyes and stuff like that and just rejuvenate the area

so I tried to put them into my dick into the actual dick yeah yeah that one didn't work that was a fail but that was probably my most like over the line bro that has to hurt yeah it was very painful yeah I was using topical lytocaine

oh my god bro but no so that that didn't work that was kind of a fail but I've always been open like sometimes like I'll do like a lux maxi method because I was like the experimental guy for like a long time in like 2024 I was willing to do anything like I didn't give a fuck which I kind of still am um so I'd post like fails on like I documented like all this stuff on forums you know that's cool yeah there's so all the threads out there about me doing this shit so I'm surprised like my old old stuff hasn't been like resurfaced like because it was super autistic and over the line is what other stuff like that? what other stuff like that um well let's see that's crazy that one's not the lydicane to do the injection is like next level yeah bone smashing um what would be another one that was pretty big

i would do um the pdo threads as well into like my super orbitals to try to get hunter eyes was also pretty bad hunter eyes yeah like there's there's pictures of like me with like needles into my eyes and stuff, and it's like, I don't know, you probably would freak out a little. Maybe someone could search that up. Yeah, pull that up. I want to see this. Yeah, so I was doing that kind of shit.

Like, I was trying to, like, inject those into my cock. Just at home? Like, yeah. Yeah, so that was, that was. Did you use alcohol swabs and all that? Oh, yeah, no. I had a lot of safety going. So, no, that was pretty bad.

And this was just all I would do in 24, just all these autistic methods like bone smash um because i was just willing to well there's a crazy amount of stuff you could do for it isn't like don't people do like actual surgeries yeah you can do like fillers and like uh that kind of shit um there's another thing that i'll do um called shopping bag hanging no way no you're fucking with me there's no way it's called shopping bag hanging yeah yeah wait wait wait wait i'm because i just hear it i'm i'm guessing what this is so you're like you're you got to shop you're trying to create the strength of it so it's i'll let i'll let you guess yeah so i'm gonna guess i'm assuming because i'm just looking at a shopping bag there's the open part

you you're you're like you're i feel like you're putting this towards the base and you're adding things to it yeah so so very close so what you're doing is you're taking a bag you're filling with items like you know put some weights in there i'd usually put like five 10 pounds of weights and then you're just going to hold on your shaft after you wrap the bag around your wrist um and i would usually do that while it's driving. No, you're fucking with me, bro. No, no, wait, wait. So what, wait, what position are you in?

I'm trying to understand this. So you're like pulling it? Like, no, so you just got to hold on, you know what I'm saying? Just try with one arm and hope you don't pull up with a stoplight next to that. So wait, so, but what are you trying to accomplish with your? You're stretching your suspensory ligament. Okay. Yeah.

And so you're just pulling it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're hanging. So you do that for like an hour a day. and you know you could gain like half an inch and you decide but you do this while driving yeah well that was just like the most convenient time to do it you know and so it is are there actually

studies that prove that like that would help this was just like a thing i learned from leon longevity you know okay and like there's there's there's i don't think there's studies but like just a lot of anecdotes on reddit like this is like something that people do and would you have to do this at a certain time like when you're going through puberty no no you can do this at any point in your life you're just stretching a ligament it's some of this must be similar to the dick pump thing yeah yeah that also works at any point in the life yeah so that's just like one like part of looks maxing um obviously you just trying to improve like any way you can any metric you know yeah and doing whatever it takes it's over the top it's autistic but once again it only seems like really bad

because i put it all on the internet for people to see and like now they know I'm like doing this weird shit. But if you're just doing it and not posting, it's totally fine. So you're a martyr, basically. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm, yeah, I'm taking on all like the heat for this shit, you know, so. So that stuff, does that work? Asking for a friend.

Yeah, absolutely. This is a very well-research thing. Like, Leo, Leo did a lot of stuff about this. Connor Murphy's talked about it extensively as well. Connor Murphy, man. Yeah. I haven't heard that even a while. Oh, yeah.

I think we were supposed to do some collaboration soon. I'm not, I'm not sure. Yeah, so Connor was big into that as well. I think he started doing that actually recently. So I'm not sure. You haven't been keeping up with his new content?

No, I've seen some of it. I've seen him like, I just remember he came back, because obviously he was massive in the fitness space for a while. And then I saw him come back and like, I don't know if he did like some crazy like amount of ayahuasca for a certain amount of time,

but I just saw clips of him kind of like, look like he was losing his mind. Yeah. I don't know if he did it on purpose or... No, no, he was definitely losing his mind. Yeah, like those are legitimate psychedelics. Yeah. Those are bad.

I hate psychedelics myself. I've done them. I love them. I've done mushrooms. I've done ayahuasca. Yeah, I've done it all. Yeah, I took LSD like a month ago. I was mine maxing.

Yeah, no, it could be good for your cognition, but it could also go like horribly wrong. Yeah, for sure. In the amounts, definitely. You can get really carried away. Yeah, I've seen people in real time. Like, oh, you just have to do it. it in the right setting and then they turn into a completely different fucking person

um taking lSD so i'm like this is not something i would run a risk i like my brain chemistry a lot i like my ambitions yeah um so why would i risk like rewiring myself yeah no i understand that i don't think it's definitely not a thing that you just do because someone says it's a good idea i think it's something that you have to do with like real intention and yeah i mean thought out or i would like to take mushrooms to get high sometimes but like not for any like spiritual trips and shit like that yeah you know i do it more for that little microdosis here and there how much about 500 500 milligrams 500 milligrams yeah 500 to a thousand it was like a good microdose yeah the first time i did mushrooms i did over seven grams and that kind of had me

tripping a little bit so yeah well that's a whole that's like a whole thing that's a whole journey that's like you're gonna yeah you're gonna go places on that one yeah and the lSD man that was even worse i was fucking uh i was having to lay down in my car like the middle like right outside my house i was like terrified bro i was like that was the worst experience of my entire life like how long that lasted for a while i was in my car like laying on the floor for like eight hours yeah yeah yeah so what so you've you've experienced you've experimented with lsd mushrooms what else have you done like sounds like you've done coke yeah yeah yeah um meth i mean dude i've pretty much taken every single drug.

Like, I've taken all of them. Like, you know, there's... So, dude, your proof, you're proof that, like, you cannot become an addict, though. That's pretty sick. Yeah, but, dude, I don't want to, like, sit here. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying it's a good thing.

Yeah. Like, I, I've just, I'm honest. Like, I'll never, like, lie about, like, I've taken every drug. I don't think that anyone should. Yeah. Yeah, I think recreational drugs are horrible. I'd be a little bit more willing to advocate for, like, certain pharmaceuticals and stuff,

but never a fucking good reason to, you know, be doing cocaine, you know, that's crazy. Yeah. You've done that pre-workout, though, huh? Yeah. I think you did that in my gym pre-workout. Yeah. I saw a clip and I was like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, I, but I maybe did.

No, I think I was respectful. I think I did in the parking lot. I didn't. Okay. Fair. I didn't bring any meth into your gym. Good, good. No, that was fun, though.

That was a good workout. Also, definitely don't take stimulants if you're taking steroids as well, because you have an increase in blood pressure from taking tests, and then you have vast restriction from stimulants. And that's, like, kind of what happened to John Skywalker. Yeah. He hit me up randomly this morning. Did he?

Yeah. How's he doing? He's doing okay? I haven't responded back yet, but I need to hit him up. I think I might have him on the podcast because, yeah, he definitely went through. some shit yeah no it looked like uh he's going through a hard time so that that's the thing man you can i'm not saying you should i'm saying you could get away with uh doing wreck drugs or you could get away with doing steroids you got to pick one for sure yeah but you can't do both that's how you

like have like the ziz incidents and like that's how you die it's not it's not good yeah it's not worth it at some point it's just not worth it no absolutely not so you know what else you have planned in L.A. We're actually leaving right after this. Oh, shit. Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you came, bro, for real. I've been, I've been super interested because I see all the stuff pop up and I'm just like, how is this dude actually in person? Yeah, yeah, no. So I appreciate you having me on. It took a little while for us to work out like a good timeframe, but I just don't like L.A. that much. I don't blame you. Yeah. I don't blame you at all. But you are, you are kind of what I expected for sure. Okay. Well, I guess that's good. No, it's a good thing. Thank you. I didn't. And also, also a lot. I mean,

have seen enough clips to know that you're well spoken but also you're like extremely well spoken thank you and like i i i you know i'm grateful for you coming to the show and and you know given all the information um again i i kind of asked you i don't know if you fully answered it but like before we end it what's what's like do you want to get into acting do you want to get into something else or is it just social media because it's working for you social media i think i could do well with acting but just you really can't match like the money from like streaming yeah there's just there's no way and and how i'll ever be a big screen actor anyway which is some of the the things that i've said yeah social media like no way i'm getting into hollywood um so just

being an influencer i really think and i have a lot of empathy for like the average man in their struggle and i think staying in touch with that and like actually you know advocating for men's issues and acknowledging that is something that I do really care about, you know? So seeing how long I could continue on social media doing that, just like bringing awareness to the fact that things are like really fucked for your average everyday person. Yeah, 100%. Because I was there like so recently. Like I literally like earlier this year, I was the guy that I'm talking about now.

Right. So just staying in touch with that. you know, keeping my roots, like being humble, you know, it's something I really do care about. Good. I appreciate you. Coming on for real. Yeah. Proud of you, man. Thank you. No more meth, though. We came to that conclusion. No more men. No more meth, yeah. Thank you, though, for coming for real. Absolutely. You're fucking dope. Thank you. Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate it.