RAWTALK - Confronting Cono for Being an Industry Plant

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

On this episode of RawTalk, Bradley Martyn sits down with Cono and talks about saving his podcast with Brad, responding to industry plant accusations, turning rage bait into a business, quitting steroids, manifestation, landing a song with Post Malone & much more!Sponsored by: Rugiet Go to Https://www.rugiet.com/RAWTALK for 15% off your first order!*Individual results may vary with prescription treatment. Compounded drugs are permitted to be prescribed under federal law, but are not FDA-approved and do not undergo FDA safety, effectiveness, or manufacturing review. Please visit the Rugiet website for full safety information.*Sponsor RAWTALK: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/rawtalkSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

Like when I stop, my eyes get better. You know how I have like a crooked eye? Hold on. This is hilarious. Wait, your eyes get less crooked when you stop? I swear to God. You're lying. I swear to God.

Yeah, no. Sarah even pointed it out. She said, she was like, your eyes are weirdly straight today. Oh, like on the day? No, it takes like a week. So it took a week. You were off of it. And then you did the video with her and they were straighter.

Yep. Mm-hmm. Swear. Not making that up. So it's like, it's like give or take, crooked eyes or nicotine focus. Yeah. It's, it's, it's tough to decide. Like when I'm editing, I need them, you know?

But you know why? Because nicotine is a vaso constrictor. So it, like, it blocks the circulation in my head. Swear. So you needed to edit. I do. You need the restriction to edit. Apparently.

Apparently. Yeah, dude. Apparently. So you edit all your own shit? Yeah, every video. How are you making content for? It's impressive, right? Oh, it is. It is. It's very impressive. No, I was impressed with your, the video with mine that I watched, but I wasn't obviously. I was like, and you know, it's crazy is that, dude, my mic wasn't on the whole time. It was muted. My mic was muted. How? I don't know. It was just like a glitch. I don't know. Then how did we get your audio? Dude, I went to great extents to recover that audio. I use AI. I tried even re-recording my audio. like literally doing voiceovers. What? Yeah, there's no way. Pull that video up.

Pull that. I mean, it's not, it's not all a voiceover. Most of it is AI. Believe it or not. What? Yeah, dude, someone on my team was like, yo, we have this AI program. It can recover the voice.

And from a muted mic? Is it just getting it from my mic and then like enhancing it? Yeah, but mostly, yeah, it's basically just doing that. I probably sounded like it was way cooler than it actually. It was his life from country.

Did he actually? He went to know. So you've had to save this. What do you mean save it? Oh yeah. Yeah, that's why it took so long to post. Oh yeah, people were like he'll post this shit. Yeah, it's like a month.

How do you come up with this shit? The rage bag. It depends, dude. Like for certain guests, like for you, it was just a walk in the park. Yeah, I know. I know. That's like kind of like been, I'm not going to lie. It's been like my sort of character when it comes to

collabs since I've been on the internet. The person that people kind of fuck with. Okay. It's interesting. Yeah. You're okay doing that. I don't give a fuck, man. I did it with Don Mazzetti would have been the first character, like, duo that

was just like, I would always catch shit. Yeah. And then Steve will do it. Same thing. I'd always catch shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not that we're doing a duo thing now, but like this is like another, oh, this is a thing now? Yeah, dude.

We're basically brothers. We're locked in. Everyone's saying it. I know. It's kind of weird. Every, dude, every clip, there's like hundreds of comments. Like, they have to be related. You are, you are Italian.

It is true. That is true. I'm from pizza, Italy. What part of Italy are you from? No, you just, you're such a dicket. I said that last time. You got that information. Now you're using it against me.

I don't know what you're talking about. No, so how do you do your research, though? Because it was pretty good. You just watch content? Dude, yeah, I just like, I will just simply binge watch every YouTube video of you that there is, you know, or at least try to. Yeah. You know?

And like that whole thing about like when I, when I like recited your like childhood story. Yeah. That was just in a pod with you and Stiney. Yeah. You know, like it wasn't that hard. Yeah, it's not that hard. It just happens to be so long ago that like I doubt anybody right now would like know about it.

So it makes it more interesting, you know? Yeah. The second I hear, I'm like, oh, this is great. Yeah. So you started, your pod's two years old. Yeah, yeah. So I started two years ago. You originally called it craft culture?

Yeah. How did you know that? Because it says it. Where? On the fucking YouTube. What do you mean? Does it? Yeah.

You didn't know that? Click on his shit. Oh, you know what? I think I just changed that actually. And then just go to all his videos. Oh, yeah. No, yeah.

I'm dumb. I'm so dumb. Yeah. It was called craft culture. Yeah. Why did you call it that? I had no idea. I just like, when I was 17,

I just thought of that name and I'm like, I got to use this for something. And then I ended up using it for this. And then why? Why'd you stop using that name? Because, dude, like, it's just like me, you know? Like, I just want to go by Kono. It's just simple and easy to remember.

And I don't know. What do you, what do you think? Do you like Kono better? Kono way better. 10 times better. 10 times better. Yeah. Thank you.

I just got my handle on TikTok just now, like an hour ago. I'm so happy. So when did you really start taking off? It's a good question, man. Because I'm looking at your video, like, scroll down on his videos. You kind of started with, with, some decent guests making like good views like we're out of the gate yeah so like um for you're a plant dude everyone's convinced yeah i swear i'm not i swear they of course you're not gonna say i swear i am

you know dude like i wish i was a plant i really do but that would be sick it would be but like how'd you come out the gate like where okay i honestly i think i was califa yeah i i understand it looks very plantish. Yeah, you're, yep, I understand, you see Bob Yalta. I promise you it was pure luck. Like, I posted two episodes and he just so happened to see it on Instagram. Dude, I have like 700 followers on Instagram and Wiz saw it. Okay. Like a clip and just DM'd me. And I was like, this can't be. But it was. It was true. And he, uh, he said, yeah, come out to LA. Let's do a podcast. And I did. It's just crazy. I just got lucky. It's just so crazy. I didn't watch all these old older podcast, but are they all the same trolling?

For the most part, yeah. I do, I mean, I come from the music industry, so like some of it is like music based. So like the freestyle to these words, that was like a rap video, I guess, you know? Yeah. But, um, yeah. But to answer your question, I would say probably in like the last few months is when things started really taken off or like, you know. What'd you do in the music industry prior?

I was producing and engineering. So making sound. No, like making beats, yeah. Yeah, making beats, yeah, producing engineering. I was like a cyst engineering for Buster Rhymes, for the Migos, for a bunch of people. Dead ass. You think everything I'm saying is bullshit, don't you? Partially.

Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I have that problem. Yeah. Maybe that's how you're a plant, though, because you were there than like, you know, he could be our. Everyone, because the music industry fucking low-key falling off and they've been relying on, like, streaming and podcasting. Yeah, yeah.

Dude, the music industry sucks. It really does. but that's why I started content though so you know you know how to use a computer really well obviously you could edit yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah I know to produce I know to engineer how did how did you learn how to troll you know I don't know dude like I think it's just kind of like was that you as a kid you were just kind of a troll not even you know I'm actually like a very introverted quiet calculated person so I don't know where it came

from like i think i just like i just needed to start doing this because i felt like it would help me to achieve my dreams that's it which are so so the reason why i started content i swear is because like as soon as i graduated college i was like dude i have to start producing for post malone for like kendrick lamar like all like my idols so i would go to concerts and sneak back stage to like meet these artists and I would get arrested like over and over and over like I'm banned from the crypto dot com arena I don't know if you know yeah yeah and it was like bad and I was like okay dude like at this point I'm just gonna like make myself famous so that I'm I could put myself in a more advantageous position to produce for like these rappers so that's what you want to do still yeah that's the only

reason why I started content this is actually really funny and I can't tell if you're trolling me No, I swear, I promise you. I promise. I think you're trolling me. I swear, dude. I specifically told Noah, I'm not going to troll. You know why? Because I know you Bradley, because you had Matan here.

You had Zacharific here. And I could tell that you were like, dude, like drop the bit. Like I want to actually know about your life. Yeah. So today I'm here. I'm giving you my real life. Actually. Swear, yeah.

Because that's not like a fucking troll. Did it? You said I made myself famous so that I could make music for these people. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I mean, it's genius. So if that works, it's fucking, yeah, I guess. Really impressive. Thank you, man.

So who would you want to work with ideally? It's post Malone, dude. Post Malone for sure. Like that, like when I went to like Post Malone show and I think it's called the crypto.com right? Now it is. Now it is. Yeah.

I documented that thing like that trip. And, um, yeah. They thought I was trying to storm the stage. But like I wasn't. I was just trying to give him like a thumb drive of my beats. And do they, they like, they, they kicked me out very quickly. Do you have any of your beats? Can you play?

I'm not. No, dude. We're not doing that. Okay. Yeah. Why not? Why not? You're going to give it to Post Malone.

Yeah. It's for Post Malone's years, not. Dude, I want to hear it's so bad now. Yeah, maybe after the pod. We could. Do you have some stuff? I could. I should.

Yeah, I should. Yeah, I should. So when did you start making beats? When I was 14. What got you when that? Just, dude, I was just like on my mom's computer and it had like garage band. It's like a, it's like an app you don't even have to download. I think it just comes with the Mac.

And I just became obsessed, dude. Like, I was like, this is all I want to do. So. Do you have some of your first songs still? Beats. I'm sure you can find it on SoundCloud. Yeah, but I would never go a million years tell you what that link is. We're not doing this.

Why not? Because, dude, like, you're gonna, you're, it's not good. It's not good. Like, this isn't good? The stuff's not good. Yeah, dude, I was like 14 years old. Like, I was, it could be so funny. Yeah, I'm sure it would be for you.

No, for you too. No. Well, because obviously you're probably better now at this, right? And for the audience, I think they would really appreciate it. Yeah, I guess, dude. I don't, try, try cono creations, if anything. Yeah, try cono creation. I actually just want to know that you actually made music,

whether it was shit or not when you were, SoundCloud. No, well, I do, okay, I can show you, like, I have, like, YouTube, like, there's, like, music videos out there with my beats on it. Bo was just playing them before. You could go on YouTube. I'm sorry to make you, I'm sorry to boss you around. No, I just tell him, yeah. He's like, you're Jamie, basically. Sure, sure, yes, exactly. So you can look up, you can look up, Sir Justin, Skinny from the Nine movie, and it should. Oh, so you made beats for this guy. That's why he was the first guy on the show.

Exactly. That's how I got, that's how I started in Shibuli. Listen. You hear that cono? You hear my tag? Yeah. Yeah, that's my tag. Is that your voice? Like with niggas surround me.

I need some bitches around me. I've been grinding for a bit. Fuck the humble shit. I'm winning. Kill the Puckin'clock. I'm going to hit them. They go rip them from a distance. Like, oh, man.

Baby me and you can make him. So you made the beat, the production, everything. Yeah, mixed and everything. But, you know, it's funny is he didn't pay me for this beat. Bro, it looks like Steve's old fucking penthouse. What the fuck am I looking at? You the fuck? That's definitely the SLS and fucking Brickle.

Okay, he didn't pay you for the beat. Yeah, no. And so the payment was then what, coming to your first show or what? Well, no, I was rage baiting him to get back at him, basically. That's why I decided to rage bait him that day. Was that why you started to, like, go in that direction of rage bait? Well, yeah, I guess. It was just like an opportunity.

Because it was the original idea. Yeah, I'm sorry, I wrote it. Was the original idea? To just, like, make a podcast where you could just interview someone? Yeah, it was mostly, yeah, to, like, just do a podcast. Kind of like how, like, Bobby Altaff did. Right. You know?

But it was because he, like, owed me, like, thousands of dollars, you know? And I was like, you know what? I'm going to troll a little bit. And then, dude, it just, like, I don't know where it just took off. And I'm like, all right, you're doing this. You're good at it because you have, like, that you have a serious sort of tone when you do it And your face is like very calm. That's why you're good at it.

Yeah, yeah. It hits. It hits. Yeah. Thanks, dude. I like it. You wear makeup in those interviews? No.

Okay. I do get fake tans, though. Hmm. Yeah. I'm a big fake tan. They laugh when I asked about the makeup. Them? Yeah, they did.

Yeah. I'm a big fake tan guy, I will admit. It's a Jersey thing, huh? Yeah. Apparently. We're like, I don't know. We like to, like, look fresh and shit. You know?

People from Jersey from the East Coast? Yeah, yeah, we do. Especially the Italians. Yeah, they do. And I feel like here, like, I don't know, like, people are like you. Like, they just, like, don't really, like, keep up with their ears and stuff. Yeah, yeah. They just want to look, like, more rugged.

Yeah. We're just more manly here, a little more feminine on the East Coast. Jersey specifically. I would say, like, just, like, dirtier over here. Dirtier. Yeah, just look a little dirtier. A little more unkept. Yeah.

Or, like, natural, like, real. Yeah. You want to use that. Yeah, I guess. fake tans not real skin you know sex year over there you know based on what metric dude i mean look at the jersey shore show they're risen bitches risen bitches left and right did you watch it when you were a kid of course god it's like our bible did you did you ever gym tan laundry or what a hundred percent no you were never were you ever really a gym bro um yeah you can't tell sorry um and how long

were you into the gym? Who says I'm not into the gym? No, I just don't, I'm not. You wear a quarter of it. That's why I can't really tell. Oh, right, right, right. Right, right. No, um, I, I just stopped working out a few months ago.

I started taking steroids, actually. I'm not just saying this. I'm not just saying this. Dude, no, did I not start taking stairs? I could show you my test level. It's 2,200 right now still. That's amazing. Don't know why.

I bet you stopped taking it how long ago? I stopped taking it like the day I interviewed Bonnie. blue or the day it came out something something along that episode so there's no way you're still 2200 yeah i don't i don't know why i did there's something wrong with me three months ago no way it's it's been i swear so you stop taking it and you haven't done anything have you done any pc to come back to normal yeah yeah oh cg maybe that's why huh yeah why'd you stop i just like got tired of having to pin myself all the time honestly it's just annoying you know and then and then like having to like constantly go to the doctor and get blood

and have to kind of like worry about it in the back of my head like oh then I have to donate blood for the red blood cell count it's just like too much dude I just have too much going on I just like I don't have to want to have to worry about it anymore I get it why did you start in the first place I don't know I just wanted to be bigger that's it valid you know the same reason anybody starts yeah yeah you like the gym or is it just like no I love it yeah yeah so you still do it I try to I try you know what you know what I should ask you this question I find it extremely difficult to both be extremely creative and both, like, cater to your fitness life. I don't know why.

It's like my brain is like one or the other. It's like I'm like more like prioritized with fitness and stuff like that or like I'm just like more creative. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, I think it's accurate. I think it's, I think it's just work in general like focusing on two things like really seriously. Because the gym is just one of those things that if you really want to be better at,

at it, you have to fully dedicate yourself to like all sides of it. Yeah. You kind of consume your mind with what do you eating next? Like, are you getting up sleep? All these things are so much more important. Yeah. Creativity stuff, it just, it needs time as well to sit with things. And sometimes you're like, I got to go to bed so that you're focused on going to bed

and not like whatever the idea is, you know? Because sometimes I get my best ideas late at night when I fucking, I'll take like a bath or some shit. I get crazy ideas, but then I'm, then I'm up late. Yeah. I think it's just a balance of work life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

And I think people who are just hyper successful at anything, like, I mean, you're being successful at what you're doing, obviously. Yeah. Are sort of like all or nothing when it comes to things. So for me, it was easy, like when I was doing gym stuff, because I was just, yeah, that's all I did and I was just filming it. Yeah, it goes hand in hand. You know, I wasn't even trying to be creative.

I was just like, oh, this is just me working out, like film it and I'll talk about shit, but it was just my normal life. Like yours is a little bit more like calculator where you're trying to like find the jokes and find the moments. It's impressive. Thank you. It's also impressive. I appreciate that.

What's that? I appreciate that coming from you. And it's also impressive. I didn't realize you were able to make music. That's also like, I would argue even more impressive. Thank you, man. Until you do two of those things. I just like, were you like not a troll in your life throwing up?

No, no, never. Like, dude, like, as soon as I started posting, my parents were like, like, who is this kind of person? You know, like, you've never been like this. but yeah i don't know dude i don't know um do they like it well yeah no i mean here's a thing like at first um they didn't like it at all because like we have like a good reputation in my town yeah because like um yeah i'll leave it at that actually because i don't want to reveal too much but um they were fearful that you know some of the things i was doing could uh i guess kind of like tarnish our reputation i guess i get it you know yeah but like right after though though

like my my dad's boss would come to him and like be like you know like I'm a fan of your son's content and my children are fans of your you know so like soon they started to realize then like we would go out and like people would recognize me and like they were like okay yeah like did well yeah it's sick yeah I think it's dope man thank you all right guys quick in order for the podcast uh listen sometimes we have those sort of tougher times in the bedroom where we need to perform a little bit extra better we need a little bit more help do not be a ashamed of it. It happens all of us, happens to the best of us. Rugee's got your back. Go to rugiant.com. That's RUGIET.com. If you're looking for any

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Full safety information is available at rigid.com. You, uh, were you trolling me in the interview when you, you had this, you popped up this like written goal thing? No. That was real? I just told Jamie over there about that. Justin, but yeah. I just told him that.

I swear. That was 20, 24, I think it was June or July. I literally wrote. And not only that, but I told all my friends, I'm like, dude, I'm like, I'm telling you, at some point I will go on Raw Talk and I'm going to collab with Bradley. I didn't think it would happen this soon, though. I thought it would happen maybe like, maybe like a year from now.

Yeah. So what gave you that goal? Because, dude, like, I don't want to glaze you, but like, I just, like, resonate with you. I don't know why. You know why? You're just, like, genuine. And, like, I watch, I've been watching your pod for years. And, like, I just, like, put it on the background.

And it's just, like, easy to follow. You're very articulate. You ask good questions. So, I don't know. Maybe I just, like, relate it to you. And that way. Because we're both Italian. Yeah, man.

So when is you and Matan happening? It's a good question. I think February. Yeah, I mean, that's what we're planning. Yeah, you got to do that. Because I saw that comment and I could tell people they see that. Oh, yeah, dude, they've been spamming that. Yeah.

And then I didn't even, I saw it once. I'm not going to lie. I was like, oh, this is actually perfect. You guys would be like a head to head would be hilarious. You got to do your research on that one though. Oh, yeah. Because he's like, there's not much of him. Like, if you can get anything of his,

actual personal life. Oh my God. I know. If you can get him to break character. Yeah. No, dude, he's, he's definitely going to be tough. He'll probably be my toughest. Yeah. You know? That should be be stupid viral, though. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I'm looking forward to that one. Who else do you really want in your show? Um, Drewski would be great. Oh, yeah. Post Malone is like my dream guest. Yeah, obviously. Then he's giving the beats too. By the way. Yeah. Yeah. No, 100%. Would you quit all this if you were able to get the beats and they were like, yeah, I was... Yeah, so no, I do the money's way too good.

I'm just gonna be honest. No, dude, I gotta ride this wave a little longer and then, you know. But is that your ultimate goal? Is that where you'd want to end up? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, and you know what's crazy, dude? So, like, you know how I told you

that, like, I only really started doing this to start doing music? Like, after this, I'm going to murder Beatshouse and like, like, we're going to just, like, hang out. So, like, I could say as of today, I completed my goal. I know. Very impressive.

I know. Yeah. So what are the new goals? What are you writing down the new goals? Because you got those goals fast, bro. I know, right? I'm just so fucking impressive. You are impressive for the timeline now.

I'm not going to lie on that. Did you write down goals when you were younger? Always. Yeah, I know I'm a huge manifesting guy. when'd you learn about that um dude i watched the secret you know the movie the secret yeah the book as well yeah the book i watched that movie when i was like 16 and uh yeah i uh i just like took it seriously and i i really do believe in it dude like it's crazy how like when you really write stuff down and like visualize and believe it like it really does happen it's it's actually freaky

no no it's a fact i mean dude i have i have like weird written things of myself when i was kid that I wrote down. I have everything that I wrote down when I was a kid. Oh, yeah? Like to the tea. It was like a house with a pool and pit bulls and all this kind of shit. Oh, no way.

Yeah, it's real. I mean, I wish more people actually understood how powerful that was writing down your goals, not just saying them. Yeah. Because you kind of give yourself, you know, if it's even better if you can give yourself a timeline, I'm going to do this by this time.

Yeah, yeah. That stuff works too. Yeah. Dude, yeah. The writing down goals, the manifestation, the intention behind things is, I mean,

because we do literally create our lives. Like you just, yeah, your thoughts do actually create things. Yeah, yeah. No, 100%. So you started that when you were young. You wrote these goals down. It sounds like three years ago. Yeah, like two years ago.

Three years ago. Yeah. You haven't written out any new goals? No, I mean, I'm always writing down goals. Honestly, what I do more so now is I write down like affirmations. So like, I specifically on the plane ride. You're like, my eyes are not crooked. That was good.

That was funny. I'll give you that. On the plane ride... Have you written that down before? Is that why it was so funny? No. No, I've never ruined it down. I should.

I should, actually. Less good advice. It's good advice. Dude, it's very hard. On the plane ride to L.A., when I came last time, I wrote down, this will be the best performing video

that I ever upload. And it was. And I wrote it down three times. I'm a little crazy. I do it in numbers and stuff. I'm like freaky about it. Like OCD with it? Yeah.

Crazy OCD. Yeah. Like you like, you grab the handle a couple times. Oh, dude, I used to. No,

you're fucking with me. Swear, my brother's even worse. Yeah, it's actually really bad. Well, you actually have OCD? Bad.

Yeah, I don't, I'm not like that anymore. I have OCD in like other kinds of ways. Um, yeah, I was just talking to Sarah about it because she knows.

But yeah. Oh, dude, it eats me alive. I can't sleep at night sometimes because of it. I can't. Dude, When Sarah had me on her show, I asked her, I was like, can you please send me the raw footage?

And she's like, yeah, like, for what? I'm like, I just need to like study myself. I want to study every minute of like the vlog we did because like I need to know like my strengths and my weaknesses. And I need to study. Why do you think I'm fucking lying? You're lying. I'm just crazy. I'm not lying.

I could call Sarah right now and ask her. She'll tell you. I think you're fucking trolling you. Dude, I even, I even wrote. This is a serious interview. I know this is a serious. He's trying to troll me. serious. Okay, hold on. I even sent her a picture of my notes that I took. Sarah, real quick,

I'm interviewing Kono. Hi. Hi. And he's saying some shit. I think it's a fucking troll. He asked, he said that he asked for the recording like three times or some shit. Like he wants to study the recording because he wants to see how he can improve. The raw. Did he do that? The raw footage. Let me tell you, this man made notes. He sent me a page full of notes on his prose and cons of how he performed. I've never had someone asked for the footage

not for quick purposes. Like usually people are like, yo, send me the footage, I can flip it up, post it. This man wanted to study himself. I did. You're serious. No, hand to God, I've never met a man. Sorry, Cono. I've never met a man that overthinks as much as Cono. He's amazing. That's why it works. That's why his content's so good.

But he overthinks more than any person I've ever met. Wow. Now you have to believe everything I tell you for the rest of the pod. That's fine. That's fine. All right, Sarah. Thank you.

Wait, I want to keep talking. Well, okay. What do you want to ask him? What do I want to ask him? You can hear this is like Mommy Daddy Pod come back because you killed it. I didn't kill it. Okay. Who's been your favorite person you've interviewed?

She knows it's her. She's my favorite guest. I'm sorry. No, she knows that. Okay, wait. That was so cute. When does Kono think you? going to get married um i don't want to get married until i'm like 35 like at least your age yeah he doesn't

get married until he's older yeah sorry sarah oh no it's okay she sound really let down when you said that i'm not going to lie no i'm not let down yeah your tone of voice is completely plummet i have a story about her once you hang up oh i'm sick all right that's enough yeah see you sarah out of here all right bye i'm not done okay bye all right bye what is she like is she the guests of this podcast. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. You talk for 20 minutes.

God. So, so you're just super fixated on it, what, how you're perceived? No. It's just like, I just need to know that, like, I'm doing better every time, you know? I need to know that I'm making progress. Because, like, if I don't, and it doesn't matter what it is. But if I don't feel like I'm making progress, like, I get very hard on myself for some reason. You know, I don't know.

You know, I mean, in all reality, like, how I do on a video, like, all these little things, this, these all contribute to, like, my career. Yeah. And like my money. You know, so I don't know. Like, why wouldn't you take it seriously? You know what I mean? Yeah.

That's an interesting point at the same time, don't you think? I mean, I guess if you're, if you're doing your bit, I understand it more. Yeah. But if you're just being you, it doesn't really matter as much. Yeah, I know you're right. And that's why I was looking forward to today because it's just so much more casual. But yeah, I mean, like, you know, going on Sarah's channel, that's something that I like, dude, I had a list of like 40 bullet points of things to either talk about or bring up, you know? Yeah.

So yeah, I mean, yeah, for certain things, I take it seriously. For other things, it's more relaxed. And I love content like this because it's like like, you know, like I was saying before, it is raw. It's just natural. Yeah. I mean, dude, every piece of content I think I've ever made, except for the stuff that I made with. Steve. Steve was just like, because this like a lot of those things didn't happen.

Like I didn't get tased. They didn't like actually put X-Lax in my fucking pre-workout. Right. And that was kind of like acting in a sense. Yeah. But every other piece of content I've ever made, podcast, YouTube videos, workouts. stuff. It's just like me just being myself and fucking off or just asking questions like in the podcast. So you never really felt pressure. No. And I, in fact, I never planned for anything to

to an extent. Like, I'll look at like, like I'll look at your YouTube channel. I watched one other pod. And like I, and I, I looked like, okay, what does he have on his like Instagram? And I just get a general sense. And I just think, okay, I'm just going to ask a few things that I think I would find interesting. Yeah. I don't like study, study. Yeah, yeah. Like, I've, I've never done that. That's interesting because like maybe you just don't have to. I mean, you're at a point where you don't really have to be interesting anymore.

Okay. You know? It's okay. Fair. What does that mean? What does that mean? Because you're a vet. You're a vet in the content space.

You just don't have to be very old. So you don't necessarily have to, you know, come up with the most genius questions, you know, clearly. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, you know, for someone like me, I don't, I feel like it's more important. that I do. But yeah, I envy you. I envy you and Sarah, dude, like Sarah especially, like, she just like goes to the gym and she's like, yeah, turn on the camera and, you know, whatever happens happens. I could never do that. Yeah, well, Sarah's like my, like a son to me, you know,

so. Yeah. She basically just mimicked and copied me as a female. So she just wings it. Hey, dude. And it works. And I, I just, I envy that so much, but good for her. God, God bless both of you. Yeah, you just got to try so hard. That's good. That OCD's crazy. It's a mental illness, you know. But you know what? My last video has more views than your last video.

It's true. I'm also in it, though. I don't care. It's still my video. Thank you. Yeah, I think you'll top it. I think you'll get, you know what the best interview will be then at this point for you? It would be post Malone.

You think? Yeah, I've just got me now the lore behind it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you might be right. I mean, honestly, either that or Maton. Okay, fair. Well, that's just because the genre. Yeah, but no, yeah, not to discredit your point.

I think you, I think you personally, that would be like your favorite for sure. Mm-hmm. That'd be a great fucking interview. Yeah, thank you. I would watch that one. Thank you, man. I'd be proud of you like, damn, I'm proud of this guy. I'm telling you, it will happen.

I know I will. You know? Just manifest. Yeah, he went on. What's that, what's that other show that's kind of- Sunday Conversations? Yeah. Kind of similar. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you watch stuff like that to get inspiration?

No, similar to Togi, I tried to not watch content so that I can be myself as much as possible. Yeah. But, yeah, like when I first started, yeah, I can definitely say I probably at that time pulled inspiration from him. Yeah. You know. What about Maton? Any inspiration from Maton? No, because, I mean, when I started, like me and Maton started our podcast around the same. time he like he'll call me like all the time and he's like convinced that like he started before

me or whatever but like this is going to be such a good pod yeah like and he's like oh like you copied everything basically but like it's not true at all you know i can't wait for you guys to do this it's not true but uh no i start at the same time i had no idea who he was when i started i genuinely i didn't but yeah so no no i try not to be like maton and dude like i'll study i studied specifically his interview with you to make sure I'm not saying similar jokes. And I actually messed up, I will admit, I did say a very similar joke to you that he did to you. Which one was that? The Arnold Schwarzenegger joke.

It was good, though. You delivered it well. I appreciate that. But, dude, like, see, that's something that will keep me up at night. How did you make that mistake then if you knew it was there? You know what? I think I saw him say it and it's possible that I then thought of it and thought it was my own idea. Or it's possible.

Maybe that's how it's been the whole time. Oh, wow. No, I don't think so at all. When he calls you and he says, you're copying me. You said no. And you just admit it to. No,

no, no, not at all, actually. No. I think maybe just that one time. Yeah. Dude,

I got to have you and after you guys do your bit, I'm going to have you and Maton on. Yeah. That would fucking bang. Yeah, that's what, that's what I'm doing that. Oh,

so you're, you're going to host it and steal my views. No, no, no, you're going to do it first with him. Okay. And I want to do a follow-up of both you guys.

That would be crazy. No, you guys are doing your thing. You got to because I want to see the white room. I want to see it on your jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the head-to-head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the shit.

There you go. Pieces of shit, just rage-baiting for views and money. Yeah. Taking advantage of people for money. Like, trying to take people's hats off for money. Yeah. Like, what a fucking is. But trying to make them look like the bad guy while they're doing it for money.

Yeah. It's messed up, dude. It's fucked up. I thought you're going to, I thought these guys weren't to come in as trolls. I'm not going to lie. and they were just complete trolls. Yeah, see, that's the difference between me and Maton. You're a little more high class.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't like to burn bridges. He burns bridges. He doesn't give a fuck. He really does not get a fuck. At all. Yeah. He doesn't give a single shit about what you think of him.

He will do whatever it takes. And, you know, I'm trying to build relationships in this business. Yeah, yeah. You know? No, I fuck with you. I like, I liked your style. And you are also, so anyone watching, too, you're also very respectful afterwards with, like, the edit and all that.

Like, you weren't like. Thank you. You were good on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was a moment. I was like, I don't like this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I typically do is like I will, I will, like anytime someone says, hey, can you take this out?

I'll say yes, but then I'll show it to them anyways. Yeah. Just to see if their opinion changes. And then if they say, no, I don't like this, then I'll bleep it, but still leave it in. And then I'll show them that revision. Yeah. And then if they still don't like it, then I have no choice, basically. Tell them how it went with me.

Yeah. Yeah, so, dude, you got fucking mad at me for some reason. It seemed like, I don't know where that came from because I'm such a nice guy. Yeah, it wasn't you, but yeah. I knew it wasn't me. I knew, I'm like, oh, he's having a bad day today. Someone else pissed him off and he's taking it out on me. No, it was that specific topic that I was really not.

Like, there's too much there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. No. But then tell him how I asked you, you tried to do that whole this and this. Yeah, so I sent Brad up voice messages and I was like, hey, like, take a look at this, you know, maybe your opinion changes after you see it with the music. You know, it comes off a little differently. And if you don't like it, then I'll bleep it.

And he literally writes back, he's like, dude, if I didn't mean it the first time, I wouldn't have said it. I was like, okay, fucking asshole. Jesus, like, fine. I'll fucking take it out. I 100% said that to him. Yeah. And it was in that tone, too.

It was 100% in that tone. It was because I talked to you in person. I was like, that one thing I don't. want in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I knew it right when it happens. I was like, I don't want that. And then, yeah, you did exactly what you described. Like, well, try this and then you can believe it. I'm just like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. I forgive you. Yeah, no. You're good about that though. You did, you know, you did one interesting thing in that that interview. You did this edit where it was like, you thought I was getting emotional thing.

Yeah. Did you actually think I was getting emotional? Was I was like that? Yeah, I did. Huh. I did. Dude, do you not think you look like you're getting emotional? Because your voice cracked as well. No. You don't think so? No. Okay. I bet because I've had, I've had those conversations and I've had obviously showing emotion. I've done that in the past. Okay. That time not really, but yeah. Yeah, maybe I just misread you. But no, I definitely did think that. Yeah. And you know what? Not for nothing, but that was very nice of me to take the attention off. You like read the comments, huh? Maybe You read every comment Well apparently you do too Because you saw that comment too Ashole

You read every comment though Dude no You 100% OCD assid hell You probably I guarantee this what you do on YouTube You go on your studio thing And you go to like the comments You go to new and you just like refresh it like

Every 30 minutes 15 minutes You know unfortunately there's just hundreds of thousands of them So I just wouldn't be able to get through all of them So you've read every comment It's overwhelming so I just actually choose not to I know that you've read every comment. You've already admitted to having, like, the need to be better. You're 100% reading every.

Dude, do they never get to you? The comments? What comments would get to me? I don't know. I will say, and I'm very grateful for it, I don't really see, like, hate comments. The only hate comments I'll see is, like, oh, he's cross-eyed and probably on the spectrum. Yeah. You know?

What's up with your eyes? I have an eye condition. Yeah. And it's, like, more pronounced. That's why I love this camera right here. It's straight on. and you don't really see it. So when it's to the side,

it's, yeah, it's more pronounced. What is the eye condition called? Did I, I, I felt like I asked you that in your podcast.

Yeah, and you thought it was bullshit, and you probably will think it's bullshit again, but it's called exotropia. It's very hard to say. Yeah, exotropia.

It's an eye, and it's like, I think it's because like one of the muscles in my eye isn't as strong as the other one. You should write about it.

I have to manifest it, yeah, I do. Why do they say our eyes look the same? Do I have crooked eyes? two? Apparently. Fuck.

Damn. Well, you told me that some people have told you that in the past, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? For that pod, though, I hadn't done nicotine for a week. So that was the straightest my eyes have ever been on video.

You're lying about the nicotine thing. Dude, why the fuck would I lie about that? Because it doesn't even make sense. Like, why would nicotine affect the straightness of your eyes? Well, I explained to you. It's a vaso constriction. Yeah. You think that, like, that constricts something in your eye?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not kidding. I'm not kidding. I swear. I swear. Like Sarah posted a TikTok of me and like everyone was saying dude, his eyes are straight for the first time. And maybe it's just a coincidence that I quit nicotine a week earlier. But dude, no, it can't be. So now you just, why don't you just quit entirely and your eyes will just be straight? Because like in order for me to edit, I have to be on copious amounts of adderol and nicotine. So yeah. This is fucking hilarious. So wait. So where did, where did that happen? You don't talk about this at all? I haven't. I'd never opened up this much online ever.

Where did that happen? I'm just, I guarantee you're getting a lot out of me. You better be grateful. That had to start it on the music editing. Probably, dude. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. No, it started in school because I was obsessed with getting good grades.

And yeah, that's where it started. It started in school. So you're just an obsessive kind of person. Yeah. Extreme, extreme person, yeah. Was there anything else? So, okay, I want to go back to the music thing. Yeah.

you get good at it because you weren't bad i mean listen to that it was not bad it was good i mean i don't know like if if you like what i think is if you care enough and you want it bad enough you'll you'll get good at it and you'll make it good and i wanted it bad enough you know i wanted to you know get in the position that i got it and and eventually i did and i was just like dude like i i can't wait you know 15 years to just hope for the chance of getting a placement with you know a big artist. I need to like speed, speed this up a little bit.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So like I kind of said earlier, if you were able to get like, for example, your goal post Malone made some music form, would you still do both things as long as you could? Yeah,

that's a good way of putting it. I like to think so at least, you know, because I love doing this now. I developed a new passion, you know? Yeah. Dude,

I'd never thought I would be doing like podcasting or whatever you call what I do. but yeah, I'd like to do both. You know, we'll see. What would you call with you? Rage Bade podcasting? I guess it's called Rage B, yeah. It's more of a show, though.

You know, it's not so much of a podcast. I'll tell you, I did watch the one show. I did watch the one with Bonnie Blue. Mm-hmm. And it was actually interesting because, like, she, obviously everyone has their perspective of her and their opinion of her. Yeah.

And you, like, came in hot with that. Sure. And, but then there were moments where I was like, well, this chick's also kind of funny, the way she was trying to, like, clap back at you. Yeah. So it was like,

it's a, you have like a good way of still getting the story. Like even with mine, you, like someone commented, I'm sure you read the comment too, because you're psycho, but,

um, someone was like, yo, I got so much out of this short interview, but it was like still trolling, but it's the most I learned about Brad. Mm, which is so weird.

Because obviously like, it's such a short interview and it was like, you were trying to troll me. Mm-hmm. But then they still got a lot of like who I am out of it. Yeah. You did a really good job at that. And I built the same way with the Bonnie chick when I watched it.

Interesting. Besides the fact that obviously she's a demon. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible demon. Yeah. No, yeah. I appreciate that.

I think I try to do that. I try to sprinkle in something unique about each guest in each video. Yeah. For sure. Like actual storytelling in like a fucked up way. Yeah, yeah. It is a story. Yeah, thank you.

I know I told you. As soon as I saw it, as soon as I watched it, I was like, damn, this is actually really good. Like, I was impressed. Thank you. Thank you. Genuinely. Are you going to do Toggi?

I don't know. I haven't spoken to him. Do you think I should? Yeah, that'd be really funny. Yeah. It was just with my friend, Vukum. Do you know Vukum? The watch guy?

Mm, you definitely seen him. Probably. He was just an AC with Vukim. But yeah, I'll probably do Togu. That would be great. I love Toggi. Yeah, you got to do Togi. What other social influences do you?

I mean, it's to be easy to connect you with him. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I love TGR. Yeah. You should have TGR. I'm going to. I talked to him last week.

Okay. Yeah. He's in Puerto Rico, I guess. I was like, yeah, yeah. That's the move. I'm trying to get Zacharific on my show, but he's like always in St.

Louis or something. Yeah. He comes out here every once in a while. You know, you know, honestly, I'm trying to get like people, well, I'm having Stine on tomorrow.

Yeah, Sinney told me that. Oh, okay, yeah. Like, I want to get people that, like, I genuinely like, dislike. So was that was I one of those? I'm just saying I'm just like you liked me and now you did no I'm I wasn't implying that

I'll be real. But Stiney for I get that. Yeah, I was I was applying it for Stiney. Well, I would say dislikable on the internet. I don't personally dislike something. That one's going to actually do really good now that I think about it. Thank you. If you do your research.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Did I reach out to his sister? You know what's going to have he's 100% 100% going to tell you to cut out like a lot of shit yeah i know stony i heard he's an overthinker like me 100% yeah yeah he's a tweaker yeah i think it's like because of the adderall though yeah i think he stopped yeah i don't know with that that's like even with you like when you say like you know i did this there's something about people who've done adderall is just like they just don't stop

they can't stop there's like they stop so you're you're like please dig this out uh they just like they always come back to it Dude, yeah, like look at Bob Menry, you know, I mean, it's one hell of a drug. Have you ever tried it? I've done it once when I was, uh, 21 or something like that. And I was selling someone was like, you want to try this? And I was, I was a personal trainer selling training. And I did it to help sell training out of like West Covina Golds when it first opened up.

Because I had worked out of different goals. And I was like, holy shit, this is way too much for me. Because I'm already naturally like, okay, kind of hyped up and just drink some caffeine. Okay. I took Adderall and I was like, this is, I'm wired. I couldn't believe the type of, like, energy I had. I wonder what, what milligram? It was low.

I know it was low because I've always been, like, very hesitant to taking more than, I'm always like, oh, I'm going to have a fucking heart attack. I was afraid of, like, anything that affects blood flow to the heart. Sure. It was crazy. But how much, oh, fuck, I feel like you're not going to like these questions. How much, like, what's the most you've taken? 90 milligrams?

Yeah. Yeah, dude. Like one time. In one time. Yeah. Damn, bro, you got a strong heart. Oh, dude, that's awesome. That's good for me.

That's an editing thing. It has to be. It's just like these, that's always an editor thing. Yeah, I guess so. You like gambling? Well, it was my first time gambling last night, and I, I guess I shouldn't be doing it anymore. Yeah.

You know, you never done any other gambling? No. Gambling was always a little confusing for me. Like, I'll admit, like, sometimes I don't feel like smart enough to like understand how it like works and like keep up with everything you know can you relate why are you laughing it's just funny because you either win or lose no matter what the game is i understand that but like i want to like know all the rules and everything so that i could be in a better position to win yeah that's fair but the only game that really gives you like a position to win would be like poker like blackjack it's like yeah i don't know

the games you just you know plinko you just press yeah that was easy because that's like a like a retard game you know like that's like easy for me you know like if i go to like the actual casino like an ac it's like over stimulating and like it's too much for me i think i might be retarded nah no this may be just like an overthinker okay that was that was nice of you yeah you could have took in that so many ways yeah i don't think you're retard you're obviously smart thank because like when we say retire we think of someone who's like very low IQ right yeah like a somalian that's a fact by the way average IQ of a Somalian is 68 and I believe like retard is 70.

Yeah, I've read that before. Yeah. Yeah, that's a thing. It is a thing. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's real. Yeah, that's, that clips going viral for sure. Holy shit. Yeah.

So on that note, do you do you do things that are like, obviously you do things intentionally to like rage bait people that you're interviewing? Yeah. But do you try to say things that are like that? a little bit more, uh, it almost sounds like political take, but just, it's not really political take. You're asking if I try to aim or direct my questions in a political way? Kind of, yeah. I mean, I guess sometimes it comes out a little bit because like, you know, if I'm sitting down with Bonnie Blue and I'm coming at her with like these like traditional, you know,

views, then, you know, you kind of could read in between the lines. So I guess sometimes it comes out, you know but i i try i try to stay away from it i guess as much as possible yeah because dude like i i liked something that was i guess political like a few weeks ago and like there was like comments saying like dude i loved your content but once i saw you like that post like i fucking can't stand you're so stupid like dude people like i swear like i think the majority of people online you know what i realized since i started making content is like the majority of people are like actually like neurodivergent retarts Yeah.

You know? Yeah. That's a good, uh, that's a good assessment. Like they have to be. Yeah. Or they just,

they just, or they just, or they just don't like, want anything to be true other than what they believe to be true or what they want to be true. Yeah. That's big time on the internet. It's like either that or they're like,

the majority of people are just like so unhappy that they have to like, just like spread their sadness to other people. I think that's probably more what it is. It's, it's, it's fucking, I mean, the whole political stuff in general is like gotten to a,

point where you can't say anything that's disagreeing with the side that, you know, let's say that person is agreeing with, then you're just all of a sudden a bad person. It's like, bro. And it's funny to say that about you, though, even, because it's like, you also just make fucking jokes. Like, the fuck. I know. I know.

Dude. I'm not surprised, though. People will never surprise me anymore. They take things seriously. But you, you're pretty much, I mean, I will say you do a good job at kind of like expressing your opinions in a very neutral almost way. Yeah. But like you can tell, you can tell what you think by the,

the guests you have on here and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do. I try to have all kinds of guests on here. Yeah, I saw you had Hassan here. Yeah, I've had a son. I even had to try to have Hassan back on and he just is dodging the interview.

I don't know why he's being such a bitch. It's pissing me off. I'm sure I know why. Even, why? Because he, I, well, I would like to say it's because he's more aware of your opinions. But I guess he was already aware of your opinions the first time, right? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he's afraid of my asking about the dog. Yeah, that's what it is. The cage. Whatever. The shot caller thing. The shock collar, yeah. Yeah. No, I try to get him back on after

like, because I did Nick and stuff. And then, yeah, I tried to get him back on after that to talk about like, I think it was the, I don't know, was immigration stuff at the time or something. But no, I don't, I'll talk to anyone, like genuinely. I mean, even recently, I did a pod with Stiney. we were talking about like how I feel like Trump sort of flopped a bunch of shit like all this Epstein stuff and not to get too political with you but like I just I just say what I feel regardless I do try to say it in a way that is like you know somewhat safe yeah I mean I wouldn't even say somewhat saves more so just like middle ground because that's sort of how I feel about things because oh okay because I genuinely feel like what we're talking about how people are reacting

to things and they're so like fuck you because you didn't agree with or you maybe I thought you thought this so I don't like you yeah I think that's part of the problem I think that is the problem the main problem like when it comes to politics they've made it so black and white that if you're not left or right then you're just like if you're not agreeing then you're just a bad person it's like that that in and of itself is fucking stupid in my opinion yeah yeah and it's also seems to be by design that it's like you know whenever I was talking about this whenever anything happens in the world they'll be like this will happen this side will go, it's because of this, it's because of them. And then this I would go, it's because of this. It's because of

them. It's almost like they want us to be like so angry with each other if we don't agree with each other. And that's just like the opposite of human nature. Exactly. Yeah. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. I definitely agree that it's by design. Yeah. Like they've, they've almost like tried to intentionally remove the nuance of any situation and just go, it's because you believe this that you, you know, you're wrong. And it's your, you believe this, then you're wrong. And it's just dumb. Yeah. So that's why when I'll talk about things like, I'll never be like, oh, I said

this, so now I have to say this forever. It's like, if I can see something change and be like, you know, this guy didn't release the shit in a way that he should have like he said he was going to. I think it's fucking wrong. Yeah. Yeah. But then people, the liberals will go, I think we had H3 or some show. I'd be like, but we all knew that he was a liar and he

wasn't going to do it. It's like, yeah, well, hey, I thought the guy was telling the fucking truth on Joe Rogan. I thought he was going to release the shit how he said he would. He did it. Now my mind has changed. And then, but then they'll just give you this like, well, you should have known because I knew and this other stuff that I noticed. You should have, it's like, fuck you. I don't give a fuck. It's just trying to be like I told you so, I guess. Yeah. You know? But the root cause is, yeah, it's, it's from the top down. So people are just like hating each other if they don't agree. And they're just taught to hate each other if they

don't agree. On so many levels, whether it be about the immigration stuff, the religion stuff, or the race stuff, it's all to make you just like not actually focus on the fact that our government fucking hates us and just sucks money from us and gives it to us. And it to us. other countries. I know. Yeah, anyways. I'll bring it back,

but like it's, it's fucking frustrating. It's frustrating to see, for sure. Yeah, dude, like when I'm in your age, if I'm still,

like, in the content world, I would just be like, this is what I think. Fuck you if you don't like it. You know? Because, like, dude,

you're a vet. Like, I like how you keep to do the old thing, but yeah, I'm just being honest, you're an OG. And I will say,

I told Jamie when I came in here, and I'm like, like, coming on this show is like, it's like a big deal. you know and i'm honored to be here by the way but anyways um i just feel like at your point dude i wouldn't give a single fuck about what people think because like dude you're you earned your stripes you're just like a really like old ogy in this space you know okay like you don't

deserve any more stress you know i mean you're you already have like the stress of the age you know what i mean like just weighing down on you every day yeah like white hair after white hair I don't know about that yet Well Like hair coming out Hair coming out You know Like losing more

I started losing when I was 22 Yeah because you had that head start Yeah Yeah yeah yeah straight up Yeah No but um You'll get there though You think

Yeah No I started The Monoxidil and finashride No I mean you'll get to the old part And then we'll see what conversations we have then Yeah no dude yeah I'm already ready to just be like This is what I think fuck you

Yeah you should You think? Fuck yeah. You need to do a fucking, you need to do a political episode. Yeah. Not like, I don't mean make take aside,

but it'd be funny if you were able to interview like one of these politicians. Yeah. That would be really good content. We're trying, dude. We're trying. Who do you want to get on?

Gavin Newsom. That's exactly who I was going to say. And that's exactly who I went on my show. So bad. So bad. I think he would do it. Have you tried? I haven't really tried.

I've had a few people reach out. I've personally not. really tried myself, but, uh, I think, I think I've, I don't know, maybe I've said enough over the time that someone be like, ah, you're going to walk into this guy and he might, he might like, you know, I don't know. I feel like for some reason, a lot of politicians will choose to do shows that they know are going to be more comfortable. Yeah. Than less comfortable. Yeah. But I feel like yours is comfortable. You don't think. I think it is. I think there's been moments where I've said things in the past on podcasts that are directly about Gavin and like,

You know, the train that he didn't fucking go for 20 years. Yeah. Certain things where I would ask those questions, but I'm assuming he would probably have the answers as well. Yeah. You know, which I'm willing to hear. I just have those.

I'm like, I'm like the internet with the outside grice being like, what the fuck in the comments? And I just, I want to hear the fucking explanation to a lot of these things. Yeah, yeah. Why is the homeless still so crazy?

Why does California have so much money, but it's like nothing really gets fixed. Yeah, and you're paying over 50% income tax, right? Crazy, yeah. Well, federal but like I could never imagine I will never I'm moving here soon next month I will never pay 50% like 50% might fucking dick well do you have one source of income is it this um well yeah I mean

yeah brand deals and stuff YouTube and where do your brand deals at where do I get them no where you do them at oh so yeah so for years I didn't do one I typically will put them in an episode you know what I do sometimes I like if if I leave it in for a certain amount of time, I could take it out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, dude, like, you should check your price picks deal. Like, you may not need to leave all those ads in your videos.

And, like, you realize that by having those ads, you're limiting your amount of views that you can get on that video. Do you know that? I didn't know that, no. Wow, that's surprising. You might be a Somalian. But, dude. No, but, like, for real, dude, like, because, like, dude, you know, it's telling you,

I feel like I said dude a lot in this podcast. I love how critical you. of yourself. I think that's also why you don't talk as much. Yeah, that's that's true. I will admit, damn, dude, you're really getting a lot out of me today. No, I notice it about you, even just the way you answer questions. You're, you're very concise. Calculative. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Damn, you're reading me well. Even before we, when we start asking you questions, you're like, you might have to cut this out because you're already thinking, I might say something I don't want in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But fuck it, dude. Just be you. You're actually pretty funny. You're pretty cool. It's just a regular,

not rage bait. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate shit though. But don't tell us about the YouTube. Okay. So yeah. So basically like, dude, if you do and you, you, you don't do this well, you do a price bigs ad read like the second you click on the video. So it's like people are skipping that. People like me. I'm skipping that shit. I don't care. You know what I'm selling YouTube is that, oh, this was boring. So I'm not going to suggest this to like a million people. I'm going to suggest this to half a million people. So you're limiting yourself with views. So do you think that if you take it out even months later it still affects the views? Yes, because the retention gets fixed. Like I had this one YouTube short where like

the last two seconds I saw that the retention dipped. So I went in that YouTube short. I cut and this was at 700,000 views. I cut the last like two seconds. How long ago? Probably six months ago at this point. Okay. I cut the last two seconds and boom, it went to 13 million views. But so what I'm saying is from the time you post that to the cut to the exponential views i probably had it up like a month okay yeah interesting but i would say this works regardless of however long you had it up it's you like because youtube is just a constant algorithm it doesn't matter you know what i mean yeah if you just convince youtube that hey this dip in retention doesn't doesn't exist anymore it's now okay now this retention is more linear i'm gonna suggest more people yeah what other what other things have you have you figured out social

media wise you're good what other like tips and tricks yeah it sounds like you yeah you're this ocd's paying off here it is dude yeah dude I'm telling you it's autism but no um I don't know I mean I honestly have to credit uh like my agency or whatever that I'm part of because they're just like a team of wizards and they kind of I'm just kind of regurgitating stuff that they taught me um I'm trying to think of what else I'm sure there's like a bunch I mean they definitely helped me to understand. Like, they'll, like, we'll have, like, weekly meetings and they'll show me, like, the difference between, like, new viewers, the retention of new viewers versus, like,

subscribers, I guess. And, like, you can clearly see why, like, like, the, the new viewers are dipping. And it's because they don't know who you are. And unless you know, unless they know what's going on in the first five, ten seconds, they're clicking off. You know, so that's why in our video, I wrote, this is Bradley Martin and this way. angers him the most so this is what I'm doing and this is why yeah yeah so it's like this is what's happening this is what I'm doing this is why I'm doing it straight away straight away yeah and

that shit worked it worked yeah it worked and then boom it goes right into the rage bait and honestly I have to say I'm so glad you told me to take that one part out because since I did it skipped right to rage bait it was it was it was meant to be maybe I knew yeah maybe you know it's the old OG in me Yeah, but I'm surprised I'm teaching you things. That's crazy. Yeah, you know, the young guy's got to come in and teach you some stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I appreciate it. Yeah, no, for real. I'm not mad at it. You should implement it. You're going to show me how to get the hair like that. I don't know if I could help you there. Why you decide to do the wave thing there? I'm just growing it out.

Yeah, this is the longest it's been in a long time. I just like put like powder pomade and I just like powder pomade. Yeah, dude. You wouldn't know what that is. No, yeah. Yeah, no idea. It's like, I'm speaking a different language to you right now. Yeah, you are.

Wow. What's it like having all that hair? It's so nice. It's so nice, dude. Oh, it's great. Yeah. I'm just like, I wake up in the morning and I look and it feels so good. Are there any drawbacks?

You know what? No, now that I think about it, none. None. Only ups. Only positives. Yeah. Girls, you know, they love to, you know. Run their hands on.

Yeah. It's just the best. I remember those days. Yeah. It's a shame. It's a shame. Last time I had good hair I was 18.

Are you serious? That's serious. I had curls. Early. Like surfer boy. Did monocidil not exist back then in 1960? No. I didn't know about it yet.

You didn't know about a lot of things. No, but that one I really wish I knew about it because that could have saved my fucking hair. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you go to Turkey? I just thought of this now. Why the fuck have you not went to Turkey?

I don't know. I think I, because at this point it's become such a like, uh, become such a thing that it's almost like part of the character. Have you noticed? I mean, dude, we got a million views on your video. Aren't you glad that I didn't do it? Think about that. Right. Maybe I'm ahead of the game. Think about it. That was a bar. I'm just saying. That was a bar. That was good. Yeah. It was impressive. I'm here all day. This is my house. Damn. Yeah. That was also very funny. I got to give it to you. are like very like yeah no i noticed that minus the muscle and the size and the strength and the sheer like right manliness and masculinness right yeah just being a man versus like a boy right yeah

that wears my makeup man you know looking like a well kept together a classy wealthy wealthy man you know yeah i think i got a little ocd too you think yeah yeah i know i know i do yeah for sure like what what's your ocd uh i'm trying to think growing up that kind of that I would do. Oh, I know. I do it when I speak. Obviously not so much on podcasting, but when I sort of, I'll repeat things multiple times in a conversation. Really? Yeah. I don't know if that's a, that's a form of it or not, but you will repeat things that you say more than once. Yeah, like if I was having a conversation with you about something and I was trying to like explain something to get you to understand it, I would pretty much say, I would say like the same thing two or three

times like maybe differently to make sure that i understand it yes yeah i used to do that i i 100% know what you're saying yeah because you want to make sure that i know exactly what you're saying yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and maybe i did him now i think about it maybe i did it more when i was like frustrated okay yeah dude my my family used to get so mad at me for saying the same thing over and over You're trolling? No, I'm dead ass. Like, I have to stop saying dead ass to you.

That's another thing. But no, I would just, yeah, I was so, because I just, it's an obsession. It's a fixation.

I'm just like, needing to make sure that like your point is clear. You know, and they'd be like, I heard you. I heard you the first time, you know what I mean?

But yeah, it's funny. Wow. I guess we are very similar. We are. Yeah. I got to change my last name of Martin. You should.

Go no Martin. My little brother. Yeah, dude, we should make this a thing I'm here for it I want to do another interview Oh yeah? Yeah, we gotta do another one That'd be sick

Give us some time, we'll give us some time Yeah, yeah, yeah I still gotta post clips I haven't even been really posting clips Are you post yourself yourself On my page, yeah The clips, you don't have anyone To help you with the clips and stuff

No yeah, we have a guy in the UK He makes the clips for us This is recent, yeah, we just hired a new guy What do you find the hardest About what you do? Oh, that's a good question question um i would say honestly um like being able to just do a video like i'm still hesitant to interview steiny tomorrow because i'm not 100% confident that it's going to be better than

the one i did with you does that make sense like every video needs to be at least just as good if not better yeah so like in my head i'm like i know this will be good i know this will be funny but like I have turned I've turned down interviews in the past just because I don't have like a 110% confidence you know what I mean yeah in it going like extremely well or at least better than my last work because like to me it's like if I pass away right now I'm going to be remembered as like that last video that was out you know what I mean so it needs to be like the best yeah but you got to worry about passing away so soon I don't know why I it's I don't know just crazy like that I guess no I get it

I could help you with a tiny one. Yeah. Yeah, I'll help you with it. Yeah, that'd be great. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm doing a bit with Sarah. She's going to be a part of it. For the Stine one?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be good. Yeah. Like before the interview? No, during. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it should be good. Where do we go from here, man? You need to make some more content. I need to make more content? No, we. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm down. I'm definitely down.

We should do like a, like, a family, thing. Yeah, we should. That's what I'm thinking. Like some sort of like, I don't know, some kind of trip thing. You, me, and what's that quarterback? Josh Allen. Oh, fuck. There is that one guy. No way. Yeah. Right. Is that his name? Yeah. Well, there's, I think there's another fucking. Oh, I know the interviewer. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How the fuck you knew that? Because they so, they, they tag me in it.

Long, long, something long or something like that. Yeah, yeah. For something. Dude, that would be so funny. where we like go to fucking Disneyland or some shit like some family weird shit that's like we have to dude I'm trying to sell this thing I'm trying to sell it that I'm actually your little brother I mean I kind of believe it I like fuck you like I believe you could be like it's weird no like I genuinely do believe that like it's it's very possible that we do have like some sort of like relatives somewhere somewhere because I do like if we're both from piece of Italy then like it has no but no but realistically if we both come from Italy then like yes you kind of have to

you but I'm like I'm like consider like a black guy in Italy because I'm Sicilian yeah yeah dude like I'll I'll talk to Italians and they'll call me the N word in Italy yeah nice yeah do you know that about like Italy yeah yeah called the Moyons yeah it's though yeah you're lucky have you Benna Cicely, I'm lucky? Yeah. White-blooded Italian. I'm discriminated against... Yeah, because I'm Sicilian.

Yeah, but how have you been? Oh, of course. Yeah. Dude, I love Italy. That's a place I could move. I could, like, say fuck it all and live there. Yeah? Yeah.

Could you say fuck it and just like, fuck off? Yeah. If I wanted to right now. Yeah. But I'm also very... I'm also a very minimal kind of person. I know that. Like I could not have, I could like live in a band kind of shit.

Yeah. You know, I could tell by the way you look. Yeah. Thank you. No, I think that's a compliment at this point. You would need like a lot, you know, to make you feel good about yourself. Yeah, because I'm a high class citizen. Yeah, you need to make sure you always have that hair sprays, your head doesn't fall forward.

Yeah. Yeah, because it's beautiful and I'm lucky I have it. You are? Dude, I'm actually, yeah. I'm actually happy for you. Thank you. I am actually in all. your success.

Oh, thank you. Like, Jen, I'm trolling before. Yeah, yeah. It is, it is impressive how quickly it seems like you've done this, even though it seems like it was just two years,

which isn't that long, but you have, you have gotten to a point really quickly. Thank you. And I will say, I think this is only the 18th YouTube video I have ever posted, like the one we did. Yeah.

So like, yeah, it's been two years, but like it's only been 18 videos. Yeah, that's extremely impressive, actually. Thank you. Even more so.

I should, I didn't even actually clock that, but yeah, because in two years, I'd probably film, like fucking a thousand videos or some shit when I was on the come up. That YouTube money must be sick. It was cool.

Yeah. Very humble of you. Yeah, that's great. Cool's a great word to choose. It's cool. You like that YouTube money, huh? Oh, yeah. But you have such short videos.

I know. But you know what? I make it work. It's honestly, I will say I'm more of a shorts channel. My shorts do very well. Yeah, you get mills on that for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. What about TikTok and stuff? Yeah, TikTok is another. Do you have a clipping team? Yeah, we just started. We just started. Because that's the thing now that it's just like without clips. Like that's like literally like how Togi did it happen.

Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate was the OG of that. Yeah. Right. He started that whole thing, I feel like. But yeah. I think I honestly, I will say you asked me before like when did you like start blowing up or whatever. I think it's it was that.

I have to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. because I just started doing that like two months ago, I think. Yeah. And even Steining, he was like, did you just start blowing up? And I was like, I guess because of the clips, you know? Yeah.

I mean, it's weird how content nowadays, I mean, even when I see people in person, they're just like, oh, I've seen this one bit of you doing this. And it's like they don't even, no one really watches. Not no one. Obviously, some people still do, but the long format version of anything. They're just like their reactions to everything is like, oh, I saw that one clip where this happened. Yeah.

especially because like the majority of the time clips are taken out of context so they almost incentivize more of a reaction yeah from the viewer yeah and then they they don't get the whole picture too so then they it's it's kind of like a I don't know it's kind of a double-edged sword because it is you get a lot from it but at the same time like the sort of the judgments of things are just different yeah like the clips of us everyone's saying like yo that was fucked up for you to say that to Brad yeah dude the last guy you had on here what's guy, the healthy guy, Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz. He commented on a clip. He's like, bro, Brad is such a W person. Like, I usually like dark humor, but this was just fucked up. I'm like, bro, watch the

full fucking video, you know, but they, they won't, you know. Yeah, I was going to address that. So that was one of the main things I was going to address today. Really? Yeah. What him saying? No, how fucked up you were to me. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't give a shit. There you go. There you go. That's what I'm talking about. No, you didn't. You did. It was, it was actually like it was respectful and I actually kind of I get it because when I I see the comments I read them all obviously so I've OCD um just like you yeah so I read them all and yeah a lot of people were like you are such an asshole and I'm the best guy ever yeah it's pretty funny I will say I'm assuming the way that you did your research you probably saw videos of me saying how much I like dark humor

100% and that's why you put it because I because someone mentioned that to me in person too like I even I've had actually had three people come up to me at my gym and go yo that guy was kind of fucked up, man. I was like, I was like, dude, like, I get it, I get it. But I even told that guy the same thing I'm telling you now. I'm pretty sure he did the research, saw that I really liked dark humor. And that's why I was like so heavy. Because you knew me. And that's why you did the interview that way. Yes. I really appreciate you saying that. Yeah. Because yeah, like, even my brother called me and he was like, I'm not really a fan of these jokes. But I'm like, you know who is a fan of dark humor is Bradley. Yeah. And I did know that about you.

I knew that's why you did it. And that is the only reason why I would ever, go that dark. Are you sure? I mean, I've never went that dark with a guess. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That was impressive, man.

The, the Logan Paul thing from the hanging. Oh, my God. That was crazy. Thank you. I was like, holy shit. Yeah, yeah. And it did like, I, I can see why people are like,

yo, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like, obviously, it's not funny that it happened, but it was, you know, a very long time ago. And I did become such a better person because of it, that it's like, right. I can see the humor in it now.

I could see why someone would hear it and be like, that's not funny. Sure. Like, if they just saw it without knowing any of the details, they'd be like, okay, that's just fucked up, period, because it's happened. Yeah. But it's, the only reason why it's more, like, could be comical to me now is because, like, I've gone through it all and I've gone through the growth of it and I understand it, and it makes sense to me in my life.

That's why, like, right, right, right. You know, so I wanted to say that for you on this spot because I knew that that was, like, the biggest reaction that was, like, your OCD is probably like, what the fuck? Yeah, typically. But like, I don't know. All that matters is that, you know, I have a good relationship with you at the end of the day, to be honest. I don't really care that much about what people say.

You know, I just want to make sure like I'm adding value to my guess. Yeah. Truthfully. But yeah, thank you for saying that because that cleared up. Like, your fans probably hate me, you know, so that probably. A lot of other people who didn't know me just hated you. Like everyone hated you. Like everyone hates you.

you. Right. Yeah. Like the whole internet was like against you. Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, yeah, I'm sorry that that happened to you. You don't deserve that. I'll be the villain. I don't give a shit. Yeah. You know. You are a good villain. I am. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I don't mind it. It was, it was a good episode. And, uh, yeah, I'd love to do something again soon. We will. We will. We'll do it. Um, you also got to come work out with me because apparently you're like some pseudo gym bro that took gear at one point, but I would love to. Yeah. I would love to start shooting up again. I'm here. You have.

I hear you're a drug dealer. I'll help you. You actually used to sell to sash room. This is true. Yeah. Yeah, just to make some extra cash. It's a real stuff. It's like a very like broke thing to do.

Like, dude, really? Like what do you selling them for like 60, 70 a bile or something? Okay. You get them made for $7 to $8. Oh, I didn't realize the margins were like that. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah. I would order you get the raws. Wow. Yeah. And then you also. we're doing gear for a long time, but you were just shooting up straight olive oil. Well, that was, yeah, that was not on purpose.

That was I had stuff. Oh, it was expired. Yeah, so I had it, I had it made, and I was basically using the same stuff for a long time, and then I think at some point it just stopped working. Because it would have been years. Like, I had so much made at one point. And your test level was like a nine.

But I did this. I, yeah, this was in the tokey pod that you're referring to. Yeah. No, my test was like 14. My estrogen was like $340 or some shit. Dude, how? but you didn't know? I had all the signs of like sex drive was fucked up.

Like I was just, I wouldn't even say happy or sad. I was just felt like what's going on with my life every single day. I would like drive to the gym. But this was still at the time when I had just opened up my gym. So I was like, I have to do this. So in my head it was like I had to ignore.

The problem was I was afraid of seeing what it was. I had the fear of like going to actually get my blood work done because I was like, oh, because I had been taking gear that. I was like, I'm going to find out all these bad things about me. It's a typical fear or anxiety around like knowing the truth. The sad part was as soon as I figured it out, I was like, oh, my blood work's really fucked up and I could just fix it.

So I avoided fixing it for such a long time. And I was like, oh, I'm just going to like power through this mentally, which I did for probably like two, not two years, like almost a year, six months to almost a year. And then I finally changed it. And then like one week to the next, it was, I took like pharmaceutical testosterone. it was different. Really? Yeah.

And I obviously took estrogen pills as well to get my estrogen down as well. Wow. That's so interesting. And I felt like literally like a different person, like how I did previously, essentially. And then you switched to like prescribed TRT. Yeah. Well, at that moment, yeah, that's when I got it prescribed to me. Because before it was just like stuff that I had like had for time.

Oh, oh, oh. Oh, you're saying, okay. Like street stuff that I had for times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like myself. Okay. And then I switched to like, you know, test sip. that you'd get from a pharmacy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I took a little, like some also some, I think it was like, a Novodex that I took to get my estrogen slightly down. Yeah. And then I felt normal, like literally a week and a half later. But it felt, but I, but I, you know, when you talk about depression,

like, the best way I would describe that because, like, my hormones would have been true to someone that had, like, real depression. I didn't feel anything. I just felt like I didn't want to do anything. I didn't, I wasn't mad, I wasn't sad. I was like, gray. Like, I don't even know how to describe it.

Just like unmotivated to, to not do anything? Just like, I'll tell you what, I would drive to the, I would drive to the gym and I'd be like, damn, if I keep feeling like this, I'm for sure gonna die. That's how I felt.

Well, if I just keep feeling like this. It wasn't like, I wasn't like, man, I'm so sad or I'm so tired. I just didn't, almost didn't feel out of anything. Like no life to you. Yeah, and I was just forcing myself to do all the things that I was supposed to do

that I was like, oh, I'm making content. I still have to make content. And I did start to feel, I did start to also feel, because it was a couple months like I said it was about six months I did also feel towards the end of that I was like damn like I'm still strong but I didn't have the same sort of repetition strength that I had before so like I still had the maximal strength where I can go in squat heavy but I couldn't like squat heavy multiple times so I noticed my strength

did start to decrease as well but yeah I felt like shit like absolute shit the best way to describe it and then it all just changed like overnight how long were you feeling like shit before you changed it like six months that's a long time yeah i was i was just afraid of knowing what what was actually what i was actually doing in my body which is the stupid thing that's like the dumb kid thing to do like what did you think it could have been like something way worse than just low test yeah i thought like i was i was thought like my all my other health markers are going to be all fucked up and like maybe i was going to be having a heart attack or like something i was afraid i was like that's how i was convinced i was going to die wow so yeah i did all that obviously did that all to

myself because I was pursuing the bodybuilding thing. Yeah, yeah. But the blessing was once I finally got my blood work done, I was like, oh shit, this is not, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be. My, my, my clash all was fucked up. Obviously, my estrogen, my testosterone was fucked up. But it all leveled out pretty quickly. I think I did blood work two more times than then the second time, about three months apart.

So six months after, it was just normal. My liver enzymes, everything was just perfect. Yeah, yeah. But your test was so low because you abused steroids? because I was taking steroids and the only thing I could assume is that I kept taking the same stuff and then maybe it was

because I also moved houses so maybe it was that the test was active and maybe it got too hot or too cold in some sort of transportation and then it's fucked up and then I just kept taking the same stuff and then in my head because I'm taking it's like why

at the time when it started to feel shitty I was like maybe I just fucked my body up because I've been doing this and maybe I did too much maybe I did the wrong types of testosterone, of steroids, you know. And then I was like, oh, maybe I just did this to myself. And then that's when I was like, oh, now I'm afraid of knowing.

So I avoided it. Yeah. Because, you know, that's shitty avoiding personality of mine. And then finally figured it out and said, fuck, it did it. I went and got my blood work done. Again, it was with, uh, honey. I remember I was talking to him about it. He was like, I don't know, you know who Honey Robbot is.

Very, uh, well known fucking Olympian trainer coach to like all these like really high level guys. I think he did Chris Bumstead and Phil Heath and all, like some of the top people of all time in bodybuilding. Yeah. And he was the one who was like, go, you just, you got to get your blood work done. So he sent me some place down and like, I feel like it was like Orange County somewhere. And then he was like in Saul. It was even like, what the fuck? This is insane. You need to fix this shit. Yeah. It's crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy

part was because I was still doing like crazy shit on Instagram. Because at the time, like, I was still filming YouTube, but I was like, I was still on this grind of like have to film a crazy Instagram video like at least once a week. So I was like pulling my truck with like weight on my back and shit through the gym. I remember like that was a specific video that I was like, I don't feel good, but I have to do this. Oh my God. So then at that point it's just like sheer like willpower. Like I have to do this because it's expected of me.

I would say that's more impressive than you had a normal test level. Yeah, I think so. So. But it was also the first sure like one of the lowest points in my life I felt absolutely horrible. Like if there's no way I could have lived for another year. For six months straight, though, you let yourself feel that way. Yeah, it was bad. Oh, God, dude. I couldn't let myself feel that way for like six days. Yeah. Well, that's the thing I learned is the six days is the fear. The fear thing, you can't avoid it. Like, I was trying to avoid the thing that I was

afraid of with something being wrong. And obviously, there was something wrong. Wow. But I avoided that bitch for a while. Interesting. I mean, I have crazy stories. Like, dude, that was that That was also at the time when I would like, I would call the paramedics. I called the fire department out like two in the morning. They think I'm going to have a heart attack. They would show up and be like, yo, you're good. They put the EKG on me. I'm sitting there on my fucking, uh, sidewalk and they're like, yo, you're good.

You think you were taking panic attacks? Because that's a very common symptom or side effect. Yeah, that's what was happening. Oh, yeah. It's because my hormones were so fucking. And you're probably, yeah. So I drove to the ER like three, three nights in a row. Oh, God.

Yeah. That's, that's like, severe. your anxiety you probably had. Yeah. And the nurses were like, you know, you're good though. Like your shit's good. You need to. Yeah. They're like, take these like, at the time, it would have been like out of it, which was like to put you to sleep or to like relax you. That was all like I did that for like three weeks. And I was like, I can't keep taking this shit to sleep. It's addictive as fuck. Yeah. But it, you know, it put me to sleep. Sure. It did put me to sleep. I'm sure. But that was a fucked up time of my life for sure. This is back in 2017. Sure. Yeah. Maybe you needed it.

But I think, yeah, the ambulance definitely needs to be able to better identify when someone's just taking a panic attack. Because everyone who takes panic, I know a lot of people that, like, suffer with anxiety and, like, they'll call the ambulance, like, the way you did. And they just make them feel retarded. Like, they're like, dude, like, there's nothing wrong with you. It's like, maybe be better and, like, just be a little bit more, like, supportive, you know? I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of got it. I got it because, like, there was, there was nothing medically wrong. Like, I mean, there was my underlying hormones were fuck. but there wasn't outwardly that they can fix in the moment. So like their only reaction is like, you know, you need to like maybe get some therapy or like do some meditation

because it's obviously they could tell us a panic attack. And they would tell me like, you're just kind of stressing. Like I remember the fucking firefighters are like, bro, you're good like smoke some weed or something. Like on the side, I was like,

I was like, oh, it's gonna make it worse in my head. But they were just trying to be like, yo, you're just tripping. So, but yeah, that was a crazy time because that would happen.

very consistently. Damn. Yeah. And then I fixed it. Good, dude. Yeah, here we are now. Yeah, thank God. You're all good now.

How many times do you think you call the ambulance? Like total. In my life? For those reasons. Yeah. Four. Oh, four total? Four total.

But I've gone to the ER maybe 15 times. Well, yeah. It's crazy. You got to think the ambulance is because I was somewhere else. I wasn't at home Oh okay Yeah yeah yeah Like I've called like driving home from Disneyland

I've called the paramedics once That was a that was a Crazy story yeah Are you like a Disney adult No no no no that was I was I was actually like Yeah I don't even want to share that story on the internet You sure? Yeah I'm an open book

Yeah yeah yeah yeah You can tell me anything Yeah yeah I think I've told this story I don't know I was with Summer Ray and I was leaving Disneyland. Really? Yeah. You went to Disney with Summer Ray?

Yeah, and her manager or some shit at the time. Why? Oh, Disney. So you're in a Disney adult. I mean, this was also 10 years ago. Okay. You were my age. I'm an adult.

You were a Disney adult. It's okay. What the fuck does that even mean? Because a girl, if a girl wants to go to Disneyland, you're not going to go? Okay, I mean, if it's Summer Ray, I don't think I could turn that down.

I'll give you that. on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fair. That's fair. But I appreciate that story because I'm in a similar boat. I might have diabetes because like my glucose. No, you're lying. My glucose is extremely high. And I don't want to go check it again because there's no way you're telling the truth right now. I can show you a screenshot on my glucose. Yeah, let me see. I don't want to go check it because like if technically, if I don't get it checked, I'll never technically have diabetes. That's, that's exactly. how I looked at it. You know what I mean? It only just, it kind of haunts you though. It's not going to help. Yeah.

It's also like gambling. If you don't stop, you never lose. Holy shit. But did you get this on an empty stomach? Like, did you? I, dude, I fasted before getting that blood work. Oh, it just kind of scares me. You were fasting for how long? I mean, I got it done maybe 11 a.m. and I didn't have breakfast at day. So like I was probably fasting. I mean, all night. You know when I'm sleeping. That is pretty bad. Is this yours or? That's mine.

Yeah. Does it say my name? Don't say my name if it does. Might have that old diabetes. No. Damn, that is bad though. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm sorry.

You're laughing. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I'm sorry. It's fucked up. It is fucked up. Yeah.

It's kind of funny. It's funny. It's only funny. Like, why would that even be the case for you? Well, is it in your family? No. I mean, I mean, I've never had like weird biomarkers before I started taking steroids. Yeah.

So I have to assume it's a side effect of steroids. I don't know why that would be a side effect. Is that, is this a common side effect? Not, not of steroids. Maybe like growth hormone use because you could, you could desensitize your insulin response. I did try MK677 at some point. Maybe, maybe that. No, I don't think so.

I don't know. I don't know enough about that one. Okay, I actually, people could fact check me. I do believe that does interfere with your insulin. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Yeah. Would this be around the same time?

It would check out, yeah. Yeah, then that's probably it. Yeah. But that doesn't mean like, because diabetes is like, that's a fuck, man. That's a whole thing for real. Yeah. Well, you know, I'll get a check to them, you know, hopefully. Yeah, don't be like me, man.

Don't wait too long. Yeah, I will be. That was one of my biggest mistakes. Because as soon as I fixed it, I just felt immediately better. Yeah, yeah. You feel like anything in relationship? Okay. It's probably just that then.

Yeah. You never get tingly hands or feet or... No. Imagine Kona without a hand. Let's not manifest that. Yeah. What the fuck? Because you need an engineer for Post Malone.

Yeah. Literally, it can't be like you, like missing a pinky or something, you know? I still got my fucking hand. Well, yeah. I could tell you. You got to cut off your whole fucking hand. I could tell you got to flip back. I hope they cut off your fucking hand.

Fuck you now. Fucking bitch. I could tell. That pinky looks a little synthetic. It is. Dude, I could see it. If you turn it, wow.

Yeah. You could see the scar. Yeah. This thing was cut off. That's like a Halloween decoration. Yeah, it's nice. Have you seen the pictures?

Have it cut off? Yes, I did. Yep. I saw everything. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we cut off one of your pinkies and see how well you do. I'll do it for a YouTube video.

Stop. stop try get caught on the caper whatever whatever you said calper calper yeah they're caught on capers he's fucking italian capers yeah i don't know i don't know some chicken and some lemon what's your favorite dish italian dish oh dude okay so like i typically will always get linguine with clams with white sauce if it's not that i'll go with a rigatoni bolognese um how italian do you would you consider yourself like really really really Italian. Well, like, yeah, I mean, like, there's being Italian and then there's being Italian

in Jersey and in New York. Those are the real Italians. You're like a fake Italian. You're like a Sebastian Madiscollano. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's a big difference. And I would say-

You are right. The Jersey East Coast, they are more Italian. I will admit that. Yeah. I mean, everything about like what I do with my family is pretty much. very Italian. You know? Yeah.

So you're part of the, that can make, that's why you're like, we can't talk about. I have to cut this out later. Oh, my family does for businesses. No, that's one thing I can say confidently. I don't, no. Unfortunately, I look he wish, you know? Yeah, I always wish. That'd be the coolest thing ever.

It would, dude. It really would. I wish. But yeah. So, that's that. All right. Wait, I wanted to ask you one last question. Are you just on test right now?

Yeah. And how much are you taking every week? $200, $225. Okay. Yeah, it's light. That's a great dose, though. Yeah. No, I feel good.

That's good. Back in my heyday, the most I ever really did was like $500. But then I would do like some Anavar and a little bit of growth. And I never really got outside of those things. Like I was always like, I've tried D-Ball. I tried T-Ball. I tried Tren for like a week. I've talked about this before. But they always just made me feel like too much.

like actually too much what have you done just tests and t-ball you've done turn a ball yeah that's a good one and mk but if you want to count that it's a sarm i guess no it's not a sarm it's a human growth in creedagogue yeah i don't know much about mk yeah yeah that's that was a popular one recently though yeah yeah for sure but dude i'm like i i can never even dabble with trend like i'm already such an overthinker and people who like take trend are like convinced that their girlfriends are cheating on them all the time yeah i took it for a week and just felt it sounds weird but i felt too strong i was like there's there's something about this that if it makes me feel like this there's no way it's doing good in my body and i was just always you know like you the hyper overthinker and

i was always like oh this is going to fucking kill me so i'm not going to do it yeah yeah which i guess maybe it helped me in the long run so yeah except when it did it for those six months but um you know we got do a video something training we got to do a video something family related i would love to i think that'd be hilarious yeah almost like i want to go to the east coast and meet your family dude that would fucking bang have dinner with the fam it would yeah would they do that of course okay i'd love to have you yeah that'd be cool yeah would you come to jersey for that video yeah really like that's the only reason why i would go to jersey like you're being 100% yeah that'd be hilarious because you do like it's like a funny it would be really funny it would you would have to be

would they be okay with you being like character yeah that would be perfect like your family with you and me but you being like your character oh my god that's what we got to go do for a video that'd be amazing i'm all for it we got to take like christmas pictures together you know yeah like i almost wanted to do like the stepbrothers picture with you you know yeah just like have those floating around yeah it's like a meme meme response Yeah, that's good. We're going to do something. All right, well, dude, I appreciate your time.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, you too. You're awesome. And I'm sorry, you got all the hate on the video because you were such an asshole to me, but you were actually not. Thank you. You were just a thoughtful interviewer. Thank you.

And I understood why you did what you did. So, yeah, I appreciate you, bro. Of course. And, yeah, it's also really cool that you had it written down as a goal. That, to me, just, I'm grateful that, you know, you cared about that. So that's cool. Yeah, thank you, man. All right, I love you guys.

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