RAWTALK - Confronting Stable Ronaldo

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

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Oh, I've been waiting for this one, man. I've been waiting for this one. I was a little scared coming to your house. No, were you actually, though, no. Yeah, I may be sharing my location in case I got beat up. Dude, so, oh, man, before we get into all that stuff, let's talk about you where you started. Because I actually looked back on my DMs and I was like,

dude, this kid, f*** me, kid, by the way, you're an adult. You can say, it's fine. I apologize. He DM me, you DM me like a year or so. was like you were talking about a car channel and this is well before you like recently blew up yeah so like i'm really curious what has your journey on the internet been like why has it been so like you're so much more obviously time on the internet means you can get more popular but right you were still kind of popular maybe you you talk a little before you got on the pod you came down

a little bit but then you've like so i think it's like grew i mean there's so many careers that like especially like nowadays that like blow up and then they instantly fall off like instantly like they don't build anything off of it they don't like do anything so when i came up like what we were talking about even before this it was like i played video games every day i played fortnight and it was very big during like covid obviously everyone's home and that was like when my career like skyrocketed like i was getting like 15 20k 30k viewers like randomly yeah but then like obviously COVID ended and then like gaming and the fortnight wave kind of yeah for sure it was way different and then it was like a flat line for like a year i stopped streaming because i was like

damn bro like my numbers are going down and it got to me because that's what happens to a lot of creators and then i kind of lost more and more as time went on and then like recently it's just been like up because i didn't give up on it you know i'm saying i just kind of switched to i rl content yeah i mean that's the key in all this i think everyone goes to that same everyone goes to that cycle of like it was more at one point and then it's not the same and do i keep going yeah but there's so many creators that like quit it's like bad dude it's because people don't have their niche though it's like you have your niche I have my niche it's like you just got to build off that and like what would you say your niche is right now honestly like now that I'm like really doing especially after

yeah the clip the clip bro yeah uh probably just like entertainment like anything like when I go out I'll do IRL streams as entertainment like farming clips I guess is the is the wave nowadays yeah but I mean right now it's just kind of like I don't know it's like weird it's like I feel like unironically like it's I'm creating not I'm not creating a trend but it's like I'm I'm like building a trend on the streaming side like with other creators like alongside me like IRL streaming is huge now it's the biggest thing it's like what everyone wants to watch because no one wants to see you sit and play games so it's like when we had the idea I guess I'll go straight into it yeah going to your gym

we were like you know I was like damn you know what we've been we were me and Lacey the other kid that I was with yeah who covered his mouth and didn't help me dude I don't know what he could have done but um no we were like we were doing streams for like 15 days just straight iRL streams yeah and we were like bro like let's go to brad's gym like that'll be fun like let's collab with someone like that'd be a fun idea let's go work out obviously like troll here and there but like actually do a real workout yeah so obviously we hit you up you said what's up we're down to do it we go to your gym and then that was kind of uh the turning point I guess of more IRL streams because like when that happened I was like Jesus like because that went everywhere

that was insanely viral bro it was like I think the first day like I saw one Twitter fear bucks this dude had like 100 million views yeah it was everywhere it's still my mentions I was a little scared what were people saying to you so it's probably it's probably way different than yours so I had a lot of I'm not going to say people but like there was it was a lot of similar Twitters coming at me saying oh you should have been killed you should have been shot what the fuck dude i don't know about that you should have been beat up more blah blah you got it lucky like but i mean i understand what i did was wrong i have apologized to you many times i yeah fair i i genuinely didn't know like it was a bad thing sure it was super immature like touching you shouldn't have done it i still say that

all my streams like yeah i troll yeah like i genuinely deep down never meant to like take No, I could tell, man. And I could tell even, even response after you cut the camera for a sec. You made sure it was good. And then we continued on. And obviously, it put you and me both in a weird situation. I don't blame you. I got the whole, like, I got everyone being like, yeah, good.

You show you teach him a lesson. But then I got a bunch of kids who are like, fuck you, you. Oh, yeah. I got a lot of that. I'm sure. But it's, it's, I get it. I totally understand both sides to it. Like, the end of the day, like, you were, you never.

even after you never even like my intent wasn't to be like y'all i'm coming in your gym to with you and like i i know that yeah embarrass you like no like i genuinely didn't and yeah people don't see that but like i said even after you were you were you were actually really respectful and you know i watched i watched you got on your stream and like you were like you were yeah you were trolling a little yeah you were trolling a little but i was awkward bro i was like it was everywhere people were coming into it was like 30 000 people came in and i was like i was like bro do i stand on this like do i say you or do i just like no you or do i just like no You handled it well, though.

You handled it really well. And even, even now, like, you're not at all seem disrespectful. You don't seem like that annoying streamer kid to me at all. No, that's not the goal, bro. I mean, I was, bro, I was really terrified, though. I'm not going to lie. I was really scared of you. Like, we were at Chick-fil-A after, and there was red trucks passing,

and my chat would be like, he's right behind you. I would think you're falling on us. I was like, bro. No, man, no, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. That was a viral. Was that the most viral moment you think you've had? probably yeah because that was probably across like now because now the internet's way different so

like when I first started I had a viral moment the pay phone thing what you played see so I you got to explain that to me it was just like because because because you understand in that moment too your boy was basically like Lacey was like oh can you play ox yeah play this song I was like all right play the song I had no idea so what is the pay phone thing so it's like let me try to think of like an analogy it's like the drug deal shit to you it's like do you ever get annoyed with that shit? At this point, not at all. No, not now.

Like, I don't... I guess in the very beginning, I was like, what the fuck? But it became funny. No, yeah, that's what it was to me. Like, that's why I'll go into that. But like, so the payphone thing, it's like, it was the song that I sang.

It's unironically, very viral. It's like across like other countries, even use it in like meme formats. It's like, cringe of shit. You know, it's really cringe. But it's like, it's huge. And it was like, I sang payphone when I was like 16 or whatever. It was like when I had less than like a thousand

and followers around all social media. Somehow it blew up. So people call me the payphone kid because it's like what I'm known for, I guess. For you singing that song. I thought I had to do with a girl or something. What? For some reason I thought I had to do it.

I don't know. See, I had no idea. No, that's what that's what I was saying. So when he played it, I was like, oh, he's fucking me. Like it was, so that was a moment that was like people kind of trolled you for doing that. Yeah, but I'm not like offended by it. Like, if someone came up to me and it was like payphone,

I'm not going to like hit them or nothing like that. Yeah. I'm not going to like hit them or nothing like that. But, like, it's like, I just thought you were trolling me. So I was like, oh, he knows about me. Like, okay. No. Exactly.

Because in that moment, you realized your boy was the one who was like trolling you. Oh, no, he set me up. He fully set you up. No, he sent me up. And then he watched you crash and burn. Yeah, no, he did. But, no, that happened. And I was like, okay, I'm going to take his hat.

I didn't know, obviously you didn't have as much hair. So I took it. And I was like, I was like, oh, I'm going. I have to, I have to go to Turkey now and get that thing done. Nah. I have to. No, I have to. this rock it i i i rock it sometimes just sometimes i don't but i wore the same hat on purpose

but it doesn't even look oh okay i'm not touching your hat ah i'm good no knock it off no i'm not with you so okay so so you're you're really into cars though right i love cars so because you hit me up and you're like yo let's do this thing i didn't i just don't have really nice cars because i don't i'm not that's not really my thing i just got gifted a car i did get gift of a car i did get gifted a car but when you hit me either way i've just never been a big car guy for the most part because I just don't fit in him, but you, you pulled up in a dope-ass Porsche. Yeah. Do you have other cars or how do you have other cars?

So I've always, even before I had money, I was like, bro, I love cars. But like, obviously, it wasn't like my first thing where it's like I'm blowing money on cars. Like, obviously, I have investments. So it's not like I'm going to waste it is a waste. Buying cars is a waste. Yeah, but it's also like life. No, for sure. You got to enjoy it.

So when I was like 16 or 17, my first car was a Tesla Model X. It was like right when I started making money. Damn, that's. You started making money early. It was 100K check, straight to Tesla. You made money early. Damn, bro. So I got the Tesla, but that was after I got my mom a crib.

So it was already, like, situated. I got the car, and then I had it for like a year. And I was like, bro, this car is boring. It's electric. I'd hate electric cars. I don't know. I like engine. I like that loudness.

So then I bought an Audi RSQA, which is like the Lamborghini Uris competitor. It's like the same engine, same car, like $189 grand. which was this crazy amount of money back then because it was during COVID so it was like everything was up so I traded into Tesla for like 100 grand let me know if I'm born by my own no no no this is I like this stuff

so I traded in the Tesla for like 100 grand I got my money back somehow because it was during COVID and I only paid like 89K I had the Audi R SQ8 for like a year and a half and then during that year and a half going back I was like going back to the car channel I was like really low in my career

I wasn't making money and I was like I'm f***ed and I was like I'm and I was like in my head I've always loved cars I'm like, bro, this is, like, in a cliche way, I was like, this is the end of the road for me. I was like, this is my last car. And like, obviously, I'm still very appreciative of it.

It's a crazy car. But it's like I've always wanted X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, blah. And I still feel like I had so much to accomplish. So I made the car channel. It was called The Stable, right? Yeah, the Stable. It was just my name Stable Ronaldo. So I just put The Stable because.

Where'd you come up with that? What, stable? Stable. Like the car channel? No, just why is it your thing? Well, so, okay, that goes back. So, I was in a friend group when I first started gaming called the stable that's literally what it was called on discord yeah and this was during like 2018

2017 and that was a great time by the way oh yeah it doesn't get any better now it's crazy even you feel that's going to why is it that way i don't know that was a good year i was like astro world that was like everything yeah anyways go ahead no yeah and then when i played fortnight there was this dude named rinaldo who like cheated in the game everyone hated him so i was like bro i was like my real name is ronnie so i was like that doesn't ring a bell like ronnie doesn't it ring a bell like it doesn't roll off the tongue so i put rinaldo but i put stable rinaldo and that's kind of it okay so i just wanted to be different from him and you were you at phase when did you join phase i joined phase like i think it was june 30th 2000 22 i think because that's how because i noticed

on that channel you did some videos of rain some stuff with road no yeah so the car channel like what i would do is that was my source of income now like it started doing really good my streams were doing terrible. Nobody was like talking about me. I wasn't like, it was kind of like, it wasn't like a dead thing, but it was like, oh, we know Ron, but it's like, why would I watch them right now? Like when I can watch other people and it's respectable. It's on the same way sometimes. It's like, you know, it's like if I'm not like into the creator, I'm not watching random people. It's just how it is. So yeah, okay, sorry, go ahead. No, yeah, I was just going to say so I built the car channel to relate to my viewers because going back, I love cars. It's my thing for

my rest of my life. If I go broke tomorrow, I'm going to figure out a way to make money to buy cars i will like that's just how i am so i built the car channel obviously i hit you up i hit up a lot of creators i started doing it started doing really good and i was like bro this is my niche now like people fuck with this people like this and then like i just took a break because i got fat i got broken up with my ex god my career was like really low and i kind of just sat inside all day and i was like for how long it was bad it was like nine months everyone knew it though like i was i was way bigger like I'm not big right now, but I'm a little chubby, but, like, bro, I was like 185 pounds. Because you hit me.

You actually gave me a lot of love in that first message you ever sent me. It was like, yo, you help, like, I don't know if you watched my content or see my stuff, but like you gave me love as far as like, I don't know, I guess sort of like helping you lose weight. No, yeah. Which is weird. Because I knew who you were. That's what I was saying. But I just didn't know much about like, obviously.

Yeah, I get it. I get it. God damn. Okay. But so you said something in a second ago that was really interesting. about even your view of watching creators that you find, like, sort of more entertaining or relevant at the time.

How do you think people, like, because you're very young, still in the game, like, starting out. How do you think people decide who is like, that, okay, I'm watching him now? And also in relationship to you, because now people are watching you now. Yeah, so. So, like, where is that, where are people,

how are they deciding that? So I feel like nowadays, it is so hard to build a community on, like, a streaming platform, unless you have another platform that you came in. So, like, when I'm on Twitch, I'm literally just watching my friends because I relate to them,

I'm friends with them, et cetera. But when I watch, like, random creators or something like that, it's got to be something that's going viral or something like it. Because that's just how it is. Like, are you going to go on Twitch and go watch a random?

No offense. It's just like a random person play games. Probably not unless you're interested in that creator or something just happened. That's just how I am at least. So honestly, I don't know. I feel like, dude, streaming is just like so,

you have to be relatable. I think it's the biggest thing. It goes back to what I was saying earlier to you. I feel like if you did gym streams, like people would watch, a lot more people would watch because it's relatable. It's like that's something that you...

I just don't think that audience is there on Twitch watching gym streams. You know? And build it. That's my whole point. It's like you could be the first. It's like you'd be genuinely surprised. Like, bro, I didn't think I could come back this way.

Like I think anyone can do it. Like I genuinely like use myself as like, sometimes I even I tell myself, I'm like, bro, I'm like, I feel like I should quit this. And I'm like, bro, I was like, so you were, you had obviously you did well and then it kind of crashed and then you got overweight and you lost

your girl and then you came back and was like it's like where was the dude i swear to god i used to first of all i went on like a thousand calorie deficit oh man to lose weight no it was bad it was like a thousand calorie deficit i would work out every day i would like run a mile that was enough for me to lose weight at the time um and then i literally used to watch i think it was I've read David Goggins book I read his other book I watched two of his podcasts on Joe Rogan or whatever Am I allowed to shout out of course I love Joe Rogan

Both of those guys are amazing Okay yeah And yeah that's bro I swear to God I used to tell myself I used to I have videos like on my phone Like I used to run miles where I'd record it It would be like five miles on the Apple thing Like literally every night And I was like bro I was like I can't quit

I was like if I quit now I'm gonna regret it in three months or whatever So I was like I put my head down I said everyone was hating on me Every time I went live people would be like oh you have under blah blah blah many viewers you fell off nobody likes you blah blah I have screenshots of it because I always knew I could come back and I just said everyone and I just like did it that's the best bro no yeah I knew once I hit it again I was like I can laugh at people and be like bro all of you like I did it and it is an ego it's a

it's a good ego though it's like no it's important where I'm running around saying like you to everybody it's like I just know in my heart like there's so many people who counted me out and it's just like it's so what actually made the change for you What, like, do you think it was losing the weight that helped you be able to stay focused for, like, continuing the streaming stuff? Or like, it was just my mindset. I was like, I can't quit. Absolutely, that's it. I was like, if I quit, what else am I going to do?

I had, obviously, I had a good amount of money in the bank. I have investments. But I was like, do I want to live knowing that, like, I quit on something or, like, at least go out and try and give it my all? Because I didn't give it my all. I was sitting inside all day eating Chipfil-A, like, three times a day. Ordering it? probably watching like $120 a day. God, it's, I got to stop, bro.

No, yeah, I delete the app and then I reinstall it next week. That is the worst habit of, like I've let I have. That's the worst habit that I have. It's so easy too. It's that nicotine of my two worst habits. You smoke? No, I don't smoke. I don't smoke.

But like, you know, the dip things. Oh, yeah. Not dip, but like the little pouches or whatever. Not zins, but yeah, the same shit, basically. That's a terrible habit. But, but it's just, it's just interesting because a lot of people, people, I mean, another, a good example of this, not, not at all relating to you to Fusitub or anything, but I think he's coming back now again in streaming, which is dope. But like, he's had one of the

longest, most like, because you know, you've seen him, right? Yeah, I, bro, he's, I'm tapped into everybody. I've watched him when I was younger. Yeah, he was, he was one of the most popular creators of all time at one point. He's at 10 mil, so he's, and he's just, he's done this for years. And, and, and obviously, you know, he deals with his own sort of issues that he has to kind of come over and get through but what what does it take to like i don't know i guess to keep going because it's the same concept for people who are because a lot of kids probably watch you and are probably like oh i want to do this or you probably inspire a lot of kids who want to do what you're doing i know that's for sure happening so like to those kids and to the people it's when i look at it it's always

that same concept that you just said a minute ago is like you just have to keep going i mean it even goes to like you like i've unironically like before this like i was like looking up just so I have some basic knowledge of you even and I was like bro like obviously tell me to shut up when you want me to shut up no no this is so funny you know it's so funny you have a you have such a streamer mentality to your content I just don't know if you want me to like

no say whatever the fuck you want but I was gonna say like because when originally I took that off like I looked it up and I was like you were saying how you were bullied etc for even what was it going to the gym or something like you needed to like work out when I was a kid yeah yeah so it goes back to like what you do and what I do it's like when I first started obviously it's a whole different thing I'm not trying to compare it like that but it was like

when I played video games in high school people were making fun of me they're like you're not gonna make a living off this you're a loser blah blah blah yeah it's the same and then I made it and then they love you it's the same you I'm sure it's like you do that and then they love you so my my concept to other people like to inspire people I guess is like it's so corny and cliche because everyone says it but it's like don't care of people think and everyone says it but that's genuinely the truth no that's a fact it's just hard to do that it's so hard to do it because it's like There's so many people trying to do it. I feel like, and people just have the wrong mentality, too. They're trying to get famous overnight, et cetera. Like you've been doing this, you said, for like 10 years. Like 13, 14 years. Exactly. I've been doing this for not a lot, but it's still a lot for me.

It's like six years, seven years. It's a long-ass time. Yeah. So it's like, you just got to like put your head down and say like, fuck it. I love the creators that have that like go up and then if you're able to go up, fall off. It fall off in the sense of everyone goes, oh, you're not getting all these viewers. And then continue to go. That's beautiful.

Oh, yeah. That's the coolest thing to see. And the way I think about it, too, is like, if I can do it twice, or if I could do it once, I could do it twice. Like, I could keep doing it forever. Like, it's just about, kind of like adapting into something new. Oh, yeah. It does change as you get older because you have to figure out, like, everything changes,

though. It's like. Yeah. Because you can't like, I mean, I could do the IRL streaming stuff in a gym and do that, but it's like, imagine me running around the street, like, trolling people and telling them, like, something smells like, you know? Okay, yeah. No, I see what you mean now.

Because, like, I couldn't do that one. This is, bro, that shit, right, what you just said is already dead, basically. Like, I'm already thinking of, like, the next thing. It's like, what did that come from? I was like, I basically just, I play the awkward role. Like, I try to make stuff like awkward. Like, I play the role in like a sense, like, I try to make fun of people doing shit and making it known that it's cringe to do it, which people don't get.

And that's why it goes so big. Because they'll comment on it and be like, yo, this kid's cringe. I'm like, that's the point. Like, they don't even know. No, I got it. And it's so funny because I didn't know enough about you. And then after the slap thing, the hug, rather. it was a hug that was the slap was AI but uh after that and i watched a lot of your content i

watched how you like you were dragging the joke and like you were in the thing oh i was troll and i was like this was so funny i loved it yeah i was trolling it bro i don't even know if you knew that i showed up to your gym that day no yeah i was just outside and i was like they told me logan i was like i bet i was like i had no idea no i close it for construction yeah that was a good day dude a lot happened that week that was a crazy week for sure so so so what do you what do you like plan like how do you plan your streams because that's the thing when i when i when i got it was like i dip my toes in i rl stream and i've done a little bit and it's just so like it is by far the hardest type of content to make prolonged because you

have to just exhaust it's like like people are going to be like oh i already know what the conversation is going to be it's yeah whatever i don't don't even worry about that yeah obviously it's i'm not saying it's harder than some other jobs no yeah as a content creator though as a content creator you're like you have to be on the whole time energetic for i hours and it's like you're you're not sitting down ever you're like walking around yeah thinking of what to do while you're walking around and then like got to somehow entertain people like even when you eat like I'm entertaining people like I'm trying to figure out ways to do it but I mean like my schedule is like I try to like balance it now especially because when I before

when it was like right before we did the gym shit dude we did 15 days of IRL streaming so all people expected were IRL streaming so I was like 15 days straight yeah it was like 15 days straight so I was like bro I got to start chilling Like, I got to play games again. Like, even if the viewers go down a little bit, it's fine. It's because, like, I want to really level it. Like, I don't want people to expect every stream. I'm going to go up to people and, like, try to create that viral moment because then it's

like, that's not a real fan base. That's just people who fuck with you for the moment. I'm glad. See, I'm glad you, because I don't think people really recognize that. They think, like, yeah, going viral, obviously you want that because you get more people in to see who you are or see what you're about. But if they have nothing to, like, fall back on where they see, okay, what else is this guy doing besides these, like, viral moments.

So that's exactly, yeah. Then you don't build anything. They just see you and then they go to the next viral moment. And it's like those type of careers, even if you chase that viral moment, it never lasts unless you build the side hustle of like building your community. Because it's like, first of all, you're going to get burnt out eventually. Yeah. And then it's going to be like you're going to get annoyed at yourself.

In my opinion, you're going to get annoyed at yourself. Like I've seen creators. I'm not going to say creators names, but it's like who literally chase viral moments. And I know they hate their lives. Like it's like. 100%. Because they don't have anything to chill. They don't have a real community.

So it's like annoying. So how important are like the desktop? where you kind of just, bro, it's super important. Like, my viewers tell me all the top, like, I'll have 15K viewers and they're like, we prefer if you chill out, play a game. And like, I'll go from 15K to like 12,000 or something like that. And people still love it. But it's like those 12,000 people are watching for like six hours. You know what's crazy though? That's still a ton of people. Oh, you know that, right? No. Like that's an enormous. I hope you know, a thousand people is a lot. Yeah, it's crazy. If you put that in perspective, like a thousand people

were just watching you, like if, because 12,000 is just a little under how many people were in the arena for Nate Diaz and Mosvidal fighting. Oh, really? Because I think they had like 16 or 80,000 in the middle. It's just you sitting there. Yeah. That's fucking nuts, dude. That's why the streaming thing's so insane. It's so insane.

And I feel like people also going back to what you just said, like the viewership was, bro, it's so oversaturated now, like in a way that like people think 10,000 viewers isn't a lot on Twitch anymore. That used to be the, when I averaged that during COVID, everyone was like, you know, this guy's the number one. Like, this guy's big. And then obviously, like, Aiden Raw, shout out to him. He changed it completely.

Yeah. He elevated it, like, in such a cool way to, like, he was like, I don't want to say he's the first because I don't know, but I feel like he genuinely was like the first to start averaging like 100K viewers, like consistently where it was viral moments, every stream, et cetera. And I feel like he switched up the game so hard in a good way. Yeah. Where it's like, bro, it's like elevating content.

So like 10,000 views is a ton, but it's like, bro, their streamers now they're getting like 20, 30, 40, 50 consistent. And you're seeing new creators come in. So does that ever work with you that like you have to try to up all your to like match it? I feel like it goes to anything. It's like, you know, it's harder because I feel like it's live, but compared to like YouTube, it's like, you know, if you got, let's say you started averaging like a million views of video and then like all of a sudden you start averaging like 800,000 like, bro, that's a lot.

But it's like, bro, it's like I want to keep going up. You know what I'm saying? It's like, why can't I hit that level? So it's like for live streaming, I think it's like it's not healthy. to chase numbers because it eventually will fuck with your mind where you don't want to go live. Yeah. But it's like I do want to better myself and try to keep leveling it. Yeah.

But it's like I also want to do it naturally. Like I don't want to do. I go harass people. I'm going to use harass as and taking your hat. Right. Just because I'm going to get 30,000 viewers like, no, that's not me. So it's like I want to figure out ways to naturally do it. Yeah.

Like guys like, I mean, Kai has taken it to like a different level. Oh, that's like like, dude, he released a, I think when he was going to do the Eldon Ring string, he released like to the download content he released a like a trailer oh yeah and it looked like a fucking movie yeah he said he spent like a quarter mill too that is different yeah i mean obviously he he he definitely has an insane bankroll for where he's at right now so like he's able to do that kind of shit do you think that that sort of level of production will be something that's important yeah i'm actually worried about that because that's nuts it's like too much to me it's like I want to be a way bigger creator like obviously everyone wants to be way bigger than what they

are but like it's not even about like a work concept it's like about like I came into streaming not that I like shouldn't elevate my content like I came into streaming trying to like like I understand it's a job but I came in thinking like bro I want to just chill and have those moments where some days I want to IRL stream but like bro these creators are doing like like do the druski shit Kevin Hart like you can't how am I supposed to beat that yeah like it's like you have to like that's what I'm saying. You have to like, it's getting crazier. You have to keep putting in the ground. And there's like production like you said. Like some of these people like or even like speed. Speed is going across like each country right now. Yeah, I've seen that. It's like and that's

going everywhere every time. So it's like bro, it's like everyone's like looking for the next high. Like the next like what is this stream we're going to do type of thing. I feel like you could do that one pretty easy. The traveling. Because I mean it costs money obviously. That's an investment too. It's like investment in your content. Yeah. There's 100% of return on that. And I think I think that'd be entertaining if you guys went i mean like you and lacey or whoever else you went um like anywhere overseas would be entertaining yeah for sure and you also build a new audience like you see speeds right he's that the most like international yeah i think he is i think no he genuinely but he's got like 30 million on instagram like that's in for our content for a streamer yeah he gets like

two million likes on a picture of doing something random yeah it's like no it's nuts i mean that i don't that's the thing i want to interview speed so bad like i don't know where it really changed for him. Did you, because you watched these, right? He's been on my stream before. He's like, we've done streams together. Not like in person, but we've done,

I've met him before. I met him. I did a little interview for, for FullSensePod time ago, but. Dude, he's a good kid too. Like, he's a nice, he's a humble person. He's funny off stream.

But where do you think that's, where do you think the thing that made it like? I genuinely think it was the football, the soccer stuff. Like, yeah. Brow, once he did that, he took advantage of it. He did it in a good way.

Like, he did it in a natural way because he enjoys it. and he took advantage of it in a sense like he really started reping international stuff. And like obviously international fans are diehard fans. Yeah. So it's like he took advantage of it and like went within and he did a good job at it. He's like the only creator I could think of at the top of my head that like at the top of my head that I can think live streaming wise like has an international fan base like that. Yeah.

He's different, man. He travels everywhere. He's got like mobbed. Yeah. You should you should travel. I think you guys should do that. Would you ever do that or is that? Yeah, I love traveling.

I've been, I've been, I've went to Germany, like Iceland and all that. Paris. It's beautiful. Actually, we're going to Japan. Me and Fais. Japan is the best, bro. Yeah, me and Fais is like all the Faze guys. Japan is one of my number one places I ever traveled.

That's where we're going to go. We're going to live stream there. You're going to love it, dude. But I'm not going to disrespect. You know, their whole culture is like, oh, no, yeah, I know. They already told me it's like, I need to shut my mouth. No, I have a little fun, though. They're not like so tight up, but like, in public, yeah, they're just, they're all, they're like,

it's one of the trippiest things you'll ever see downtown like Tokyo in Japan it'll be like full like there'll be people everywhere there'll be cars everywhere not a single horn is honked dude yeah apparently you can't like eat while walking I don't know so I don't know they were telling me maybe I don't know I don't know I guess it depends I don't I was I was walking where the fuck I wanted but maybe I was doing it wrong no I'm sure but like I mean it's not like end of the day where it's like they're going to like murder you or no no no that's what I'm saying. It's super respect. I love, bro, I'm so excited. I was like looking into it. It's, it is, when are you going? When am I going? Yeah. I think in like five days.

Oh, bro, you're going to have so much fun. And you know, the yen is at its lowest right now. Dude. So I'm like a billionaire. You're up. You're way up. Bro, it's, dude, the food, everything and everything's, I don't think it's cheap. Like, hotels, wasn't that cheap. But, like, food everywhere, very cheap. I heard is, the clothing is like super cheap and it's nice. Bro. That's what I'm excited. You're going to love Japan. I'm not. I'm a problem for I'm not like it too much. It's, I want to go back. It's honestly so much fun,

dude. I will go back. I will. But I think we did some streaming. We did streaming stuff there. I was with Steve. I did some stuff with neon. How do you feel about the other streamers in your space?

On Twitch or like kick or anything? Just the whole thing. Like what do you think like just as a as the whole ecosystem? I don't know. I feel like it's like hell. There's like a balance. It's like unhealthy and healthy. Like the healthy side I would or the pros of,

yeah the healthy side i would say is like content is getting better i feel like twitch is in a good spot right now or streaming is in a good spot like obviously when you think of like like bro i'm not gonna lie i feel like more kids watch streaming than youtube now like to be like more younger kids watch youtube of course but i'm talking like 13 to like whatever it's like i feel like a lot of people are really liking streamers because they want that it's like a high it's like they don't want to sit there and watch a youtube video they'd rather watch something live and like constant shit yeah so it's so because it's the the whole idea that anything it happened exactly i mean which is why this between you and i went so viral because it's like

no one could have planned that bro what i did not expect that bro but that's that's that's what people look for but it's also like like we talked earlier it's also that's not a sustainable model no it's not you know but that goes back to like what i would say the unhealthy is i'd feel like it is chasing those viral moments there's so many creators that only obviously is some people are going to say this is ironic because i'm saying it but like there's so many creators because you're the clip yeah there's so many people who chase the clip that's the problem and it's like now it's like people are only looking forward to those viral moments people are like botting streams yeah to like get views we've got we've been attacked people are like they think we bought and I'm like bro look at my like actual statistics like

you know what I can tell people don't bought anytime I made content with them the actual interaction that I got after the fact like what are you talking about like meaning like DMs or messaging or tweets or things that were talking about what happened on the stream yeah you could always tell if it's bought it or not bro it's first of all i can tell you and i got a ton of kids who are like you yeah so i knew you're not bought because they're real messaging me no yeah i mean bro that was no it's all good i don't care it's funny no it is funny i'm just like damn like sometimes i think about that i'm like geez no it's cool you got a good audience no yeah i love my people and i had the crazy thing about it too is before that moment i had no idea that's zero idea and then

i saw the messages i was like oh a lot of people like this kid yeah that's dope bro congrats appreciate and it's cool it's just so cool to see you come from like the fall in your mind yeah go ahead fall to the fall off to like also being out of shape and then just like saying it all and losing it like i can't i love that story because it's so relevant it's so relatable 45 pounds like three months it was bad dude so you had a heartbreak oh yeah that's bad how long was that how long was that relationship that was my first ever relationship. Oh, that's the worst.

And that was the girl that I, you know. No way. Yeah. Like. Wait, that was a girl you lost your virginity, dude? Whoa, bro. And you were in love.

That is so tough. She was at the beginning of my career before I made money. So it was like super fog also because she was, I was also her first, everything. Damn, bro. So it was like super toxic relationship.

I won't talk about details, details, but it was a super toxic relationship. ended up making me not want to stream. A lot of shit after the fact of the relationship that I found out that made me really sad that I found out that she did. Oh, you don't want to know. No, yeah, it's bad.

That's the worst. It's terrible. And then obviously, I kind of just dead at it. I didn't expose anything for valid reasons because, like, you know, it's like, I don't want them to be attacked. I don't want to be attacked. Yeah.

It's like, I don't care enough to that extent, but it did fucking me off. I was heartbroken for seven months. I literally where I wouldn't want to get off it was bad yeah like you wake up you're like man I would I would stalk them like on Twitter oh it's the worst yeah bro I see who they follow yeah I'm young too so it's like bro that's the that is the worst place to be in like how do you get out of it then how did you get out of it you you guys just like I well first of all I was a head over heel he'll stuff I was a lover boy like I was like it was bad like it was I could

tell you off camera like it was really bad and And I kind of was just like, bro, like, one night, I remember my mom texted me, and she was like, bro, like, she sent me like a long paragraph because my mom knew. She's like, don't worry about this. I gave me, like, real advice because, like, my friends are going to be like, oh, go hook up with other girls, but that's not how I am. That's not how I ever been. So it was like, I remember just one night that I was like, I don't know. I just like snapped out of it. I was like, bro, it is what it is.

And I said, fuck it. And I swear to God, ever since that night, I literally never checked any of her shit. And I was like, I don't know. It was like random. I think literally what helped me. though is um one of my friends named siggy he's like a youtube editor he's a really good duty help me through everything um bro he would like tell me because i don't i necessarily don't believe in like a god necessarily like religious i don't know if you want to talk about like yeah let's talk yeah

um because that's just how i grew up i never like was religious religious where like i believe in like one certain thing but i always believed in like faith i've always believed in like someone's over me watching me type of thing so he would tell me he's like bro you just got to have like faith that like gonna work out and I remember I would tell myself I'd be like going to the girl shit I'd be like if I keep checking her likes like it's gonna get worse like if I keep checking her profile it's gonna get worse so I would tell myself I was like every time I check her stuff like it's gonna set me back more so I just stopped yeah that's a fact yeah and it was like once I stopped I was like I would have the urge to check her stuff and I'd be like nah I was like if I do that I'm like I'm like someone

above me is upset you know what I'm saying so it's like I just like so but you don't you believe there's someone above you you don't believe in god i just i know i do believe in god i just don't believe in like it's so weird because i was never i don't know anything about religion like i i never was in a religious house uh it's not to say that i won't believe in a god yeah it's just um i just believe like there's someone watching me over that's it to be honest it's interesting a religious yeah yeah because i i struggled with i struggled with god for a long time just because of like my childhood and what happened and like my perception of it and like this whole why me sort of mentality that I sort of grew up with.

But I eventually came back around. But I've had moments with that where I just like, things that happen, I'd be like, man, what the fuck? But I got to the point where I, you got to kind of recognize that God, I guess the idea of God and it being like relevant in your life is not always just because it's something good happening. Yeah. You know?

Like all that bad shit, like the girl stuff and dealing with the heartache. I think everything happens for a reason. For sure. And also, it's all a part. of God, whether it's good or bad, it's supposed to be there. Because all that does make you better. Like truthfully, the space that you're at right now, you can be able to talk about this kind of stuff. And like that idea of checking, knowing you shouldn't check, knowing it's going to make you worse if you do check. And like being able to say no,

so many people, I guarantee at some point in their life, because of the, just obviously because of the internet now, have probably had that exact same thought or maybe even in that right now. And they're like, just needed to hear you say it to know, okay, I shouldn't look. no yeah bro i mean what you said it's like bro like it's like and that's what i was going to say was i think that's how god works sure that's why i believe in it though it's like i i was never like the one to be like people push it on me but like now i'm like very open to it like you could say whatever you want it's not like it's going to fend me it's not going to spark like a discussion where i'm like upset like honestly it's just like i take what people say and i'm

like i go with it and i learn from it and in like a mature way like i feel like i shouldn't judge people's perspective on like because i feel like bro god's different to everybody obviously there's stuff to be pushed around like if you if i want you to believe a certain way but it's like at the end of the day like i respect the way you think and it's like i i try to like learn from like what you even just said like i feel like it was god telling me like chill like don't touch like don't do that like you need to get back on your feet and like who knows maybe he was the reason like i got back up on my feet you know i was the like you know i got back to where i was because i had faith etc you know yeah face a tough thing too man

because it just, it wavers. Dude, I manifested everything in my life. Before I started even playing video games, I remember I watched a Fortnite dude. His name was Benji Fish. I remember, do you know what the Fortnite World Cup is? Yeah, of course, yeah. Dude, I was like, 15.

I vividly remember, like vividly. I sat in my bed, I stared at my ceiling because I watched the video, like how this dude qualified, and I go, why can't that be me? And I remember that night, I manifest. I was like, bro, I want this so badly. Like, I'll make sure it works. and like,

everything I manifested has worked for me. Like, even when I fell off, like I would tell myself, I was like, bro, like so many people told me to quit. I had friends tell me to quit. Like, bro, it's just not worth it. Like, you should try to do something.

And I would tell myself, I was like, bro, like, I just believe I can do it. I know I can do it. And I would just fight through it all. And I didn't think it would come back how quick it did, but it did. Yeah.

And it's just I really had faith in it and I manifested it. Even like the cars going back, like sure it's materialistic, but I would manifest, I could buy the shit that I want to buy, etc so I was like I don't know that's what made you think

about that idea the manifestation idea I was really just my friend my friend Siggie that's like his online name he's like bro he really like taught me he's a religious dude but he taught me like seriously just to like bro manifestation like he taught me like everything in his life that he manifested

came to be my friends taught me that like you know manifestation's real my mom taught me that so when my mom said that I was like okay I got a mom's always know exactly and I was like I got to like I got to try this not try but I was like just changed my mentality I would think negative I'd be I'd wake up and I'd be like damn bro I'm waking up like I got to do shit today but like I started like I genuinely started appreciating like everything like I was like am I talking too much no bro

no you're such a streamer that's so funny you're such a clip guy well I don't know this is perfect this is what I want to hear no they all want to hear this I would um I would wake up and I would I would appreciate I would tell my friends like they would think I'm corny for this but I would I would appreciate, like, drinking water. I'd be like, damn, I got watered it. Like, I would, like, I just changed my mentality because for the longest time, I would think I'm making so much money.

I'm young. I had a, I was never like an egotistical person, but I was like, I was like, bro, I could like swipe my car and it's gonna work every time. You know what I'm saying? So I'd be like, damn, like I could do what I want. I'm gonna make sure I'm, like, I'm fine.

I got a head over, like a roof over my head. But then I was like, bro, I was like, I got to really appreciate because it could be gone in a minute. And that's why, like, I think that I fell off at one point because it taught me to be grateful for what I have. It can change.

So it's like, you know, like going back to the cars, it's like I bought that car, the Porsche. That car is beautiful, by the way. Appreciate that. Yeah, I bought that. I remember when I fell off, I always wanted this car. It's my dream car.

It's the 9-11 GT3. Fire. It's an amazing car. And I remember, I've always wanted that car when I was younger. And when I fell off, I was like, bro, I can never get this, blah, blah, blah. And then when I started making me, money again, I remember it was on my birthday. It was my 21st birthday. I told myself, I was like,

if I could buy this car on my 21st birthday comfortably, like my mom straight, everyone's straight around me. Like, I could do anything. So I bought it as like a trophy, like genuinely. Like I bought it like, I felt I did my thing. I had everyone hate on me and I did it again and like this is my reward. It's like I look at, but I swear I got, I've kissed that car. I've, I believe you. I've driven that car and when I'm finished driving, I've kissed the steering. I'm like, damn. Like I did like, I genuinely like I dude I honestly think the people who have like the the most fruitful lives are people who are grateful for even the smallest things bro I'm so great I'm grateful for being here like you could have been like you type of thing and like who knows what this could

no but I'm saying like who knows like even if this like changes like one person's perspective it's like but that's that's what this is all about at the end of the day I think I think not just this type of content but having these sort of conversations and everything you do as far as the content that you make and everything is like the reason why I think some and people sustain so long is because like it's more than just the car. It's more than just having the things. It's more than just being popular or being famous. Like genuinely somewhere in your heart, it seems like you do actually care. And like because you've gone through enough where you fell off, you've gone through the heartache, you've gone through all enough

of the relatable things you can sit and talk about it and still have success and probably a lot more coming to you. But like that's what's most powerful and what's most beneficial. And That's the thing that's going to make people most attracted to you overall, like in the long run. Like, because, yeah, you get in a clip and me, whatever, it goes viral. That's entertainment, for sure. But at the end of the day, the thing is going to keep people, like, engage with you for a long time and continue to be, like, invested in you is if you've helped them change some sort of aspect or mindset in their life. And just hearing this, because I haven't watched any of your streams, like, long term. I watched a bunch of stuff the last couple days to get ready for the interview, but it's not really, you don't really talk this stuff.

necessarily with people. I think you should talk more. Like, not all the time. Well, that's what I was saying. Because then it'll be like, shut up your flapping, which I know is what they do. But there are going to be like a thousand kids who are like, oh, that shit really hit me.

And it's just a thousand out of the 15,000 to 30,000, those are the people going to be like, I really fuck with this guy. And they're going to continue to check on you because you change a little moment of their life. I think that goes back to what we're saying originally is like why I try to do desktops. It's like it's those times, like,

where I'll do the IRL, the schedules thing, right? I'll do a normal desktop intro for a couple hours, IRL stream for a couple hours, and then late at night, it's like I'm chilling and I'm doing what we're doing right now. Like I try to like engage with them, like try to talk to people and see that side of me. Because like I do think a lot of people think I'm like an immature like asshole.

And I'm sure you had that initially when I first did that. I'm sure it's okay to think that. For a second. Then I watched some more stuff and I was like, no, I get it. Because I get it. I understand the game. I understand the internet.

I understand all the streaming stuff. Like you have to be entertaining. You have to be engaging. but like no i don't get that vibe at all that from you at all like i don't think you're just at all i don't get that vibe at all i just think like yeah it's it's so beneficial the more you can kind of touch on these moments of your life with people even though like yeah they're gonna say you're faking but it's like dude there are going to be those guys that changed that one person's life and it's like they're always gonna check on you because you change their life i i think

that's like the thing like for streaming it's like it's so relatable because it's live like we said that it's like bro people's judgment on streaming is so different now they think it's just chasing the clip making as much money trying to go viral be famous blah blah blah blah like bro the way I came up streaming is I really just wanted to talk to people like yeah it's the same way I'm sure you started doing and maybe not but like no it is it is I was gonna say because like I don't when I did fitness videos it was like it was teaching some fitness concept whether it'd be like a vans press or something but 90% of my video after that would be just me talking about like my life and where I'm at and I mean a dude in the fitness space I'm

to say that I've been doing this for like 13, 14 years as a creator it's pretty crazy. Bro, you've changed probably so many people. But it's just, it's not, the fact that in my mind, I'm like, damn, I'm still able to do this and make, like you're, like for example right now, right?

Like, you're one of the most current popular streamers in the game. Yeah. Right? Out of, if they, if they, you know how they do those little boards are they rated everyone like ST or whatever? Twitch tracker. Yeah, like your actual thing.

It's like, I'm like 50 something out of like every Spanish, everything. Yeah, you're up there. But, but, and you could just see. on the internet. You could see the concept. You could see like all the, you know, using speed, Kai, Aiden, Aiden kind of stops streaming a little bit. You, you're there. Lacey's there. Sketch is there. Um, jincy. Forget me if I, you know, don't name something. But like, you're there, right? So it's so cool for me to even be in this position to have a conversation with you

and giving you a respect and your love because like, I've been doing this for so many years, but the fact that I can still be here and have these conversations with people like you is because that thing that I said, but that's the thing that I did over all those years. And yeah, like I said, times I'd post these videos where I would just talk about my life. I remember, you know, other videos where I would do some crazy viral where I'm like pick up a girl at the gym and get millions and millions of views. This video where I talked about my life, 100,000, 80,000, 200,000, whatever less. But I'm telling you, I know that that's why I'm still here. For sure, but you need to do that, though. It's like, you need to have that balance. Yeah. I just think, because you, you, dude,

based on the reception that I got after that whole thing with you, I was like, you got a lot of kids who watch your shit, which is dope. You got to, you know, younger kids. Give, give them, give them some good guidance. Yeah. Because, like, a lot of times, like, those younger kids, that's why even I said when, when that happened, like, sure, I trolled in the car, because I was a little scared. I was a little, I was a little, I was a little over the place. I'm not a lot. I did not expect that, but I don't, I don't know if anyone has seen, probably not as much, but, like, I'm sure you saw, you saw, you saw, the clips. It was like, I was trolling a little bit, like, oh, I could sue them. Like, obviously, I'm not, I couldn't,

and I don't think I would have, even if I could, but I was, like, true in that. But then I also said like um you know i did i told my chat i was like i disrespected him i was like sure he hit me like i see all the chat saying like oh it doesn't matter but i straight up said it because like i was like i disrespected him i shouldn't have touched him he didn't know i didn't i shouldn't have touched his belongings because it's like yeah it's disrespectful and i knew that that's why i apologize and i was like man i was like it's funny you didn't it just reminded me of the vatali clip when like he pushed my neck and i had to hit him oh no that was something different though i'm not going to like way different no way different

way different. You didn't pushman. But I think in my mind, it was because I was like, yo, I said a few times, I thought like you would have just like at one point given it to me. But you gave me, okay,

so we could have that debate right now. I think it was because you had, we will, let's do it. I think because you had the hair and I saw the hair poking out under the hat. And you gave me the smug look and you walk closer. I was like,

well, you gave me like three seconds. I'm willing to defend that part. No, that's funny though. You gave me a couple seconds and I was like, I didn't know if you were trolling. And then like, I was like, oh, okay.

like come in and then you smack the shit of him he was the hair i think because the hair because you when you put the hat on and the hair came out i got a little infuriated oh i'm really but i was like i was like jesus like dude i remember saying bro by the way let's let's clear this up though yeah i only slapped you with like my no i swear to god it was a tip i swear to god by the way you could cut this out or you can keep it in no i'll keep it in i'm pretty sure you gave me a mild concussion no i'm sorry oh sorry uh bro but it's just sounding good because you had the thing When I said that, I swear, bro, I've gotten four concussions in my life because I, bro, I'm

like, like, I have a fucked up head. Like, I used to play ice hockey. So I, bro, I've gotten like hit so many times. Bro, when you hit me, bro, I was, that whole day I had a headache, the whole, like, nah, but like, people are going to call me. I don't care. Like, they didn't tell me I had a concussion, but I was like, bro, I was. I think it just sounded good because the mic was here.

Yeah, I've seen that excuse for you. Oh, no. Bro, it did, though. That's truly why. Because it wasn't like a whole hand. But I'm not going to lie, you, it was, it was a lot. But it wasn't this, though. It wasn't the pond.

It would have knocked me out prior. Yeah, it was bad. But you had a good, you had a good hit. It was a good. I have a small face. A little slap. It was the hair though, dude. It just raged me out, you know?

So talk to me a little bit about the kind of the revamping of phase clan. Because now it's like, what it's, you, playboy, Lacey. That's who I see the most. Yeah, Max, Lacey, me, Jason, Silky. um oh god he's something on this and uh i guess like ksan but kison's been a part of it for a while um yeah so basically phase's whole idea is literally just a friend group like if you want to be a part of you'd be a part of it they got us a house to do it they got a couple houses for us but it's like

the whole revamp is like what phase originally was like people it was so like um oh everything needs to be like business business sure it's a business by the end of the day but it was like to the point where it wasn't like a sideman It wasn't like an A&P. It was like straight like we had like a warehouse that they were paying for for like a couple. I don't want to put their business, but way over six figures for no reason filled in with like a hundred employees. Like it was just stupid shit. And it became to the point where it wasn't even like nobody knew who was in phase.

Like you didn't know. I'm sure who was in phase. Yeah. Like anyone didn't know. So it was like the whole revamp was like a friend group. It's like people who f*** each other. Like the whole house each other. We all make content with each other.

It's like the old phase like the New York house. Yeah. I think you guys are doing a great job. because, like, I just see a ton of it everywhere. Obviously, like, I don't know how that, what clip sort of shit's happening there, but you guys are doing a good job bringing it back. I mean, what sort of, like, behind the scenes? I don't know how much you could say,

but what sort of conversations are there, like, of things that are coming that people maybe don't know about? Dude, I don't know, but, like, I actually don't know at the top of my head, but, bro, banks is like, do people think Banks is an idiot? No, thanks is a party guy. Like, bro, he's a genius. And I'm not even just saying that just because I love him and he's my boss. I guess, but like, bro, he put us all together.

Banks believed to me when I fell off. He always told me that you're going to be big, blah, blah, blah. Like, he's very good at, like, seeing careers, like, well or, like, seeing pathways to shit that's happening. So, I mean, it's really just shit that he has planned. Right now, we're going to Japan coming up, which is going to be big. We're going to try our first international thing. So it's Max, you and Lacey are going to Japan?

It's me, Max, Lacey, Jason, which is another member, and then Silky, which is the And I think ADAP might be coming, phase of death. So it's going to be like six of us. And then obviously it's like some production. But we're going to see how that goes. That's our first international thing as a group. But, oh, no, I think my goal, I don't know how, like, for, like, with phase, like, that I want to do is, like, it's so, it's like unrealistic at the moment. But, like, I want to do something with, like, the sidemen.

Obviously, A&P is more doable because, like, we're friends with them. But, like, I want to do, like, real videos with them. Like, maybe even the charity match or something like that. Like, something cool, you know, like, there's something that we could really, like, accomplish. Like how they do the soccer shit? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think that would be something cool, but like, obviously I don't know how realistic that is right now.

Obviously, they're levels. Yeah. But no, yeah, at the top of my head, I can't think of shit that's planned. Besides just streaming. Continuing to stream, continue to put out content. And you have fun. You have fun streaming. I love streaming.

Is it ever get where you're like, that was the nine months that I quit, I was like, now you love it. Bro, I love it. Because streaming is like, I don't know how it is to YouTube because you upload way more than me. I've ever uploaded on YouTube. but bro streaming is like if you take a day off you don't really want to stream the next day

but like when you're in that flow state where you stream stream stream stream stream it's easy to click the go live button but when you're like you stream take a couple of days I'm a victim to this like I've streamed had a crazy stream and I want to take the next few days off because I have like I'm scared I'm like bro they expect so much damn so it's like I take days off

and then I'm like all right now I feel like I have to go live but it feels like a job like I don't want to do it type of thing like I'm scared to do it Yeah, because I streamed, but I just streamed just for fun for fun. No, yeah, that's how it should be. Sure, that's the mindset you should have doing it. Have you ever talked about me while I was streaming on your two-year stream?

No, but they come in my chat when you're- Because sometimes they'll be like, they'll come in my chat and they'll be like, fucking. No, I ignore that. First of all, anyone's talking you, like, I do not give, like, I'll ban them. I don't, I don't care enough. I do it all the time. Like, I tell them all the time, I was like, you know, they'll literally say, I'll literally be live and you'll go live, like, while I'm live, they'll get the notification.

They'll be like, Brad's live. I'm out. like that's so funny they're like i'm leaving your stream brad they do the same to me yeah they're they're like brad's brad's live like be careful i'm like what do you talk about be careful i'm sitting in my yeah i'm like jesus but that's funny no no they'll come in and you like yo you play cod like a old man he said they'll say you said that no i don't i haven't said anything no they they said they're like brad just talk you're like go to his stream i'm like brad i've never done that i've never said anything damn they're too

They like the drama. They like to spark short. God, that's so crazy, man. It's a cool, I really do like streaming. It's just like, when I look at you guys, I'm like, I don't know how you guys do it. Bro, but it's the same. I look at other people, it's the same shit. Yeah.

It's anything. It's like, it's really just a grind. Yeah. Same with everything. Yeah, everything. You did that doctor disrespect. That was gnarly. Yeah, I got banned for like three days for reckless driving.

I don't know if you saw the clip. I saw you speeding. bro that by the way you know where that is bro that was up in franklin i don't know the exact you know right next to sunset that's franklin yeah that bro it would i i went there the day i got banned i went after like at night to go see where i got bro it was a flat road and you can't it's like a speed bump you can't even see and then or like the bump you can't even see it and then down the street it said beware of bumps it wasn't even before and i when i watched the clip back if you watch the clip and slow it down you can actually see how fast i was going but i was going like 50 miles per hour

in like a 35 or whatever so so how are you getting when you get banned for it just because you're not supposed to they said i was like really reckless but like bro the clip made it look terrible i really just drove hit a bump and i caught oh bro if it was reckless i would have spun out and hit something yeah how does it banning shit work because it might like from an outside perspective sometimes i'm like are they doing this on purpose to get like oh no i hate getting ban it gives such anxiety like i hate it but bro originally it was supposed to be like a one-month ban and we got it down to like three days. Oh, okay. Having conversation with the Twitch people. Yeah, because I was like, bro, like this really isn't me. And it really isn't me. It's not like I'm, I don't, I would never

try that hard to like put people life at risk. Like, I'm not like that. So it's like when they banned me, I was like, bro, I was like, I was like, I don't want that. Even like three day ban, it's like scary. It's like people move, brother. The internet moves and like streaming moves. It's just like I get scared. So you're never trying to get banned. No. No. Yeah. But when I got on band, I was like, bro, the doc should just happen how funny would that be if I just That was That's terrible

It was terrible I looked up to doc Now I can't say that But like I looked up to him for streaming He was the first streamer He was the first streamer to do like crazy In my opinion

He's older too Yeah I just don't get that That was the thing I'm like Man if you knew If you knew that Why would you do that Bro it's like

I don't want I don't know He has a kid He's a beautiful family Like He's a millionaire He's got everything Cars

Fameder like sports he's like he's set basically like games etc and he's like I remember some people's minds are just like yeah yes my question about that is do you think he comes back like just comes back to stream and then I think eventually he's going to and then that's how every every creator has came back from the worst and do you think he'll be more or less successful I don't think he'll ever be as successful mainly because it's like he's so known now the dude who admitted to being a pedophile, I guess. I don't want to, actually, I don't know if I'll get sued,

but like, I guess hypothetically he admitted to talking to an underage. Talking to an underage person. And I don't know if you saw the other thing. I just saw the, what was the other thing? He talked to like a, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. You saw that? The transgender thing. Yeah, I think.

Yeah. I mean, whatever. I don't know how, hey, you could do it. whatever you want but like yeah so the pedophile is different that's different yeah yeah and it's not and it's not even like I'm just calling him that like he he said in his tweet he's like yeah he's like I talked to a younger person and I was like the worst thing he did I think he edited it and oh no it's it's he went from like minor to like nothing and then put it back yeah that just look so I'm just so curious I'm just so curious he comes back is it like I feel like the internet is such a weird place that oh it's so fucking weird there's people that support him

People were like, oh, she's 17. I've seen comments, I was like, oh, she was like a 17-year-old and 11 months and 29 days or something like that. Like, go easy on them. Like, people are always going to support whatever. It's just how the internet is. It's just like me, I'm not going to support you.

Like, I'm not going to be like a fan of you, but I'll be like, all right, if you make cool content, you make cool content. Like, that doesn't change. But it's like, who you are as a person is like weird, you know? Yeah, it's different. Because, like, I mean, you could think of me, like deep down. Like, I did, like, if you saw something,

you could think I'm a weirdo. It's just how it is. It's like, I'm sure there's people out there watching this that think, even though they'll watch you, they think something you did is weird or I did is weird. It's like, there definitely is a difference between. But there is a weird and then there's that one line. Yeah, let me fix that. There's a weird.

There is a line. There is a line there that I just think you can't, you can't really walk back from. Because I know he lost a lot of like the mainstream stuff. Like he lost like, I think he was in video games or like, yeah, we're taking you out. Like that'll never happen again. Never. It's, I don't know how brands. I'm trying to think at the top of my head.

who came out to do that type of thing came back like that really like went viral though i'm i don't think there was anyone that big that's what i'm saying in in the internet creator space that like him that's his shit went huge yeah the tweet got like 200 million views or so it's like i don't know and like it doesn't help that he's a six foot eight dude walking around yeah though the bank said something really funny that i was like yeah what if he did that yeah what if he just came back and just lost the outfit i'm sure people would for him. Dude, I'm sure, bro.

It's just like, it's only a matter of time. He's going to come back. He will. He will. Every creator has came back. Like, I've seen the craziest shit and they've came back. Yeah. It's crazy.

The thing that you said earlier that I want to ask you about was, like, on your path to get your success, before you ever had anything, it seemed like you believed in yourself. Yeah. Where do you think that came from? Because that's the one thing that I talk with every single person I've ever had a conversation. with about success and like 99% of them maybe all but one literally was like yeah i i felt that i was going to have this before i ever had it i felt i was going back like when i stare at my sit i swear god i i vividly remember i watched the video and i was like i'm going to do this and i told myself there's no way else but my my whole life like during high school middle school like

family friends my my family were always like obviously every kid gets told it but like i believed They were like, oh, like, you, you have the potential to, like, do something. Like, you have the potential to be, like, uh, entertainment at least, you know, something in the people told you that. Yeah, because my friends always found me funny. Like, I was like the kid that got like, I wasn't bullied, but like the same shit. People think I'm different off camera. Like the same, like, I'm different with you because I was a little scared.

But like, but, um, I, bro, I really am the same way off stream than I am on stream. Like, bro, I'll, bro, I'll clip form, I guess or whatever off camera. Like, it doesn't matter. And like, even in high school. I was like, I would troll when there's no reason to troll. I would just do it because it was like, it's just who I am, I guess. So, like, people would be like, oh, like, you should definitely learn somehow to be an entertainment.

And I always told myself, I was like, bro, I got it. I have one life. Like, it's so cliche, but it's like, I have to just do whatever the fuck I want to do and just say, and it worked out. Thank God. Like, it really did work out. And I don't know where the fuck I'd be without it. Yeah.

It's interesting. You said something about this, who you are off camera regardless. I think those are the people who always have, like, the most success in this space are the people who are that person whether they're on camera or not oh everybody's sick at me off camera i'm sure that's what i'm saying but that's what i'm saying though because it's not like you have you don't get on camera and you put on like a face yeah so it doesn't get tiring yeah maybe that's what everyone thinks on twitter they're like they're like bro this kid just puts on this front i'm like no it's it's really like even the awkward cringe shit like i do that off

camera like there's no cameras or like i went with my literally like two days ago i went to dinner my mom and my current girlfriend and literally I was just screaming happy birthday to my mom and it's not her birthday like I was just bored yeah that's what I'm saying it's like stupid I know a few people like that there's there's few creators like that but all those ones like they're they'll have success forever for sure because it's who you really are like yeah maybe you get on you're a little louder because you can't just be like super calm I definitely more energetic yeah but that's annoying that's like every single creator's a little more because you can't because if I meet fans though like when I meet people that love me like I'm like I try to reenact like the same shit because it's like bro

that like my whole perception of like people changed like people coming up to me I didn't realize like I remember during like 2023 people like came up to me and I was like bro these people are like they look up to me like I never thought about it like that and I was like bro I got to just be my like character like myself you know what I'm saying like my actual self because these kids like really look up I'm sure when you like it's sometimes it's crazy like people really come up to you and you're like damn like this person like looks up to me because I know what that feels like I've looked up to the phase guys growing up I've looked up to, like, YouTubers that I'm friends with now.

So it's like, bro, it's like, it's eye-opening, especially. Yeah, it's crazy, too, once you do it for a while. And, like, because all people would be like, yeah, I haven't watched you for eight years and and, like, they, like, they started in a place and they had some success. So they, yeah, now they're having their own business. And they'll, like, tell me all this, like, you inspired me to do this. And I'm like, whoa, like, I just set a bunch of stuff on the internet and filmed a bunch of videos.

But that's why I was telling you earlier, there's so much power, especially with the younger audience, if you have it, to, like, give. give those real true moments of yourself that are like related to things that you're going through in your life because like they all will go through certain moments that if they could identify like hey he was able to do it just like you saw that one kid did the thing and you're like yo i'm gonna do this it's like a full circle moment that's like that is that's what this shit is about dude and i swear to god you'll have you'll have limitless success yeah i just thought about that i was like bro i'm friends with that kid who made that video and i never i don't think he

knows that it's like so weird yeah but that's what i'm saying like just the people people watching you and the people who watch you day to day they watch you streaming it's the same concept it's cool no it is cool that just made me like that was like eye opening because I never thought of it like that is weird yeah and you like you get it now you get a you have a chance to do that and you might run into some some random kid and then you never know he might be another streamer in three years that's how it was with like phase rain like that but that was someone who I looked up to like crazy growing up like I cried getting in lobbies with him on Xbox I love rain bro probably is the nicest most genuine dude ever and he lived with me um during

like two, like a year and a half ago when I lived in LA originally, I moved into the same building as him. He was my neighbor, like, next door neighbor. And he would like teach me shit. And I was like, bro, I was like, I grew up watching this guy. Like, this is like, he's a real one. He's the nicest, most genuine human in the world. Like, bro, genuinely. Like, he's helped me, my family. Like, he's a good dude. Do you think he'll ever be back in face? I think it's not even the question about that. I think the off, it's open because it's like a framework. It's not like we're giving him a contract. It's just, I think respect. I respect his because I think he wants it to be more like a friend group and I don't want to speak for him

but it's like I think he wants it to be more like united and I think that's the path that we're heading right now like with building it up again but it's not like he's just going to hop on when it's a trend to hop on I think he's just like he's doing his thing and he's taking his break and he's relaxed and that's why I respect him it's because he's not hopping on it when it's a trend to hop on he's doing his own thing you know yeah but yeah because it's so it's yeah it's 100% real because if he was just about the trend then he would be on right now right and i think that's why like he's not i think he really wants to come in when he's comfortable coming in that's fine it's like any of the o gs that like is in phase

like we're killing it right now and like everyone's tapping in not in a way that's hopping on a trend it's just like we're all trying to we're all trying to unite again yeah like and i can't say we because i'm new but like i do care about phase i grew up watching phase that was my dream dude dude phase is one of the biggest things on the internet for like i don't know how many years it was my dream was huge it was my dream is my dream It's still huge, but it was, it was like at a time when there wasn't like, no one was doing shit like that. Or what?

Like they had the like, they had the internet lock. Yeah. They pioneered that shit for sure. And even the, I wouldn't say first, but like the major IRL content, like even like the Cloud House with like rice gum and all those guys. Oh, such a good time. It'll never get like that again. It may be will, but it.

I think it'll maybe just. It's going to be different in our eyes because it's like there's kids that are going to look up to. I'm sure some kids think that were the big. thing right like our house for sure and it's like weird to me it's like but like that era like 2017 2018 it's I don't know how that's gonna get replicated I guess it's not so much that it ever needs to be honestly it's just kind of like what's gonna be a new trend yeah it's whatever it's it's the same sort of thing new iteration of it that's like it's like comparing

like LeBron and Florida it's like it's just a whole different generation man so who do you want to collab with that you haven't collabed with I don't know, I think, I don't know about collabing wise. Make content with you, know, whatever. I really want to meet Kanye. Yeah? That's like my major, no, there's three people I wanted to meet my life. One of them passed away was Virgil Ablo.

Do you know that? Yeah, of course. I really, I looked up to him like crazy growing up because I used to resell shoes. Yeah. It was Virgil, who sadly passed away. Mike Tyson, I just wanted to meet him. He's so cool. He's probably the cool.

coolest dude ever and like his story alone is awesome yeah like he's got a crazy story and then con yeah like it's so corny but like bro Kanye's music like really helped me especially during like when i went down like i would listen to his music his out bro like his album bro unironically like danda is an amazing have you i if you i would i know you're going to say like the classics like i've listened to those like a ton i've listened to all of it yeah bro danda is a crazy underrated album like i just it's so tough like bro it's crazy because it's like the rollout out of the album people don't really understand the whole concept of donda it's just like i don't know like some of those the song come to life is my favorite song off that album that's an amazing i'll go listen to it

again after this but i'm like through the wire kind of guy oh yeah for sure that's just that's like original kanya that's like his first not first but that was like his major you know yeah like graduation my twisted dark fantasy yeah oh i love it all i love it all but it is it is it's it's kind of if we're talking about even just in relationship to like what you do and what we do this content stuff it's like evolving with where you're at in your life you have to continue to like grow with it like you know it's a lot of people they oh they want the old Kanye or the old music or whatever the old content or what you used to do but it's like you can't do that shit forever and eventually they get used to they'll shut up

it's just how it is because they're going to watch regardless it's like if you're not watching you'll end up watching yeah you know what I'm saying but no yeah Kanye is that Kanye is the I just want to meet him I've met so many like artists that I looked up to before, like, my generation artist, like a Ken Carson, and, like, I've, like, met those guys. Like, YouTubers I've met, like, pretty much every YouTuber at the top of my head I'd like to meet. But, like, bro, Kanye is just, like, I just, I don't know.

I just want to learn. Like, he's a, he really, I think he's a genius. People are going to say, I'm stupid for saying. I think he's a genius. Well, dude, I mean. He's had terrible takes, obviously, on certain shit that, so, like, but there's no way he became a billionaire and not being smart. Yeah.

It's like he's, there's. But I just love him. I love him. Would you do a stream or just want to talk to him? I just want to talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. Even for if it's like a little bit, I just, before he somehow, if he ends up, God forbid, passes away.

Like, I'd love to just meet him. Yeah. Because I really regret not being able to meet Virgil. I loved him. Yeah, that's, that's a tough one. That was out of nowhere too because they didn't share any information until it was like. I really looked up to him because I, that was how I started making money in high school. I resold shoes, off white, Supreme.

everything and like his concept was to make like your own shit like do your own shit like that was he was like i remember there was this like interview he was like oh why is off white so expensive blah blah he's like bro it's just my own like if you don't want to buy it don't buy it he's like i just create and sell like you should do the same shit you you shouldn't buy you should create your own thing and sell it and then like he had like an analogy about like i think it was like a candle or something in a room it was like a good enough i don't want to say it wrong so i don't know he's brilliant that's basically what i'm saying he was very he was very eye-opening me and then when he passed I was like damn yeah what do you think I mean it's probably

maybe too soon in your life to figure out what it is but like what do you think you want people to really remember you by maybe at this point just at this point remember me I don't know but or just what do they identify you with besides the clip I am the clip um or you're the platform now apparently because Kai said you're you're basically You're TikTok. Yeah, I guess Kai fucking said I'm a TikTok kid. Yeah, yeah. That sucked.

But he said in a way that he meant like... Yeah, you're like the platform. Yeah. For the clips. No, that's what I said. I was like, I was like, I'm not the TikTok. I am, or like, I don't know, I said some cringe shit. I don't know.

It was along the lines of I am the TikTok. Yeah, yeah. Some stupid shit. But, um, I don't know. Remember me wise? I don't know. What do you think you are? Maybe that'll help me.

Man, I, I mean, in my life, if I looked at all the stuff and all the content I've made, it's just been about, like, sort of overcoming, and I guess it sounds corny, but, I mean, I don't know if you knew I grew up without a father. Like, my dad took his life when I was really young, suicide, hung himself when I was six, and I just grew up struggling with feeling like I was good enough in a lot of situations, and it's affected, like, friendships, relationships, like, tons of shit. And trying to get emotional, but over the years, like my full circle moment when I felt like, oh, wow, like not that I wasn't good enough, but it's kind of like a lot of the reasons why I'm

talking about all the sort of concepts I've been talking about was it took me a very long time to be like, oh, this all makes sense now, like the shit that I've been through in my life that made me like, am I not good enough? Like, why is my dad not here? Why is that kid? Like this sort of relationship of like, why do they have this and why don't I? and like am I just not good and uh you know when I was when I turned 26 I remember at that point I started getting a lot of popularity on the internet and people come and tell me like about content

that they've watched me over the years or videos they've seen and it kept coming back to like I really appreciate your your ability to be vulnerable and to share like where you're at and what you've been through because it helped me get through what I needed to get through so I think I think it's really just that like no matter where you're at in your life it will and it can get better like what you did. Yeah. You know? It's like,

because so many people get to that spot where, um, fuck, where like you're, you just don't feel like there's a way out. For sure. You know, like my father chose there wasn't a way out.

He's so he took his way out. And like, I guess it's, I'm not going to make it's about suicide prevention, even though like obviously I want that to be a relevant thing. But just believing that like, no matter how dark it actually gets, you can figure it out.

And there is another way. Because like I said, it didn't make sense for me for so many years i struggled with it which is why i was so like so locked into the gym was because it was my escape from feeling like a certain way about myself and when i did it i felt good and then people would say oh you're good at this and you look good or you're strong and i could get this sort of validation from people that maybe i was searching for oh i know i was searching for from like someone that i could never have got it from but then i told you like around 26 um i had to sort of

full circle moment of like oh shit all these people are like giving me this sort of like fatherly love where like you taught me this you showed me this and it's almost like I was giving what I was never given and I just want people to believe and to understand it no matter where they're at like you can make it better and it's just not on your time always because most people things are fucking up and they're like everyone wants to get out of shit now but it's like it takes a long time it took me about 20 years for it to make sense you did it though you know yeah it just took a long time. So that's what I would want to, for people to remember, like, what I had done was just believing that, like, it could get better. And at some point, making the choice that I'm,

I wasn't going to be a victim to, like, my circumstances. And that I was going to decide, okay, this is where I want my life to go. And then it was, it's just, it's just crazy how everything comes full circle, man. Like, genuinely. Like, for real. Yeah. And you did it, man. You did it at, appreciate you saying that about that. You did it in a short way, like, in your life, like in a short time, Like, obviously, we could only relate to what we know with what we know at that time. Yeah. And you were in a point where, like, heartbroken, down bad, like, not believing. I was the same way, though.

I had very terrible thoughts. I remember I texted my mom once I was like, yo, like, I'm going through it. Like, she would text me every night and I would ignore her for like a month straight. She thought I killed myself at one point. She was, like, scared of me, killing myself. She was very, very nervous for me because, like, bro, I was really depressed. Like, I was like, wouldn't answer anyone's calls, wouldn't answer anyone's text. I sat in bed, ordered food.

Obviously, it wasn't to a level where I was, like, I was, like, depressed to the point where I was, like, I was just waiting for my time to come. I was like, I just hope I don't wake up type of thing. Yeah, like, if it would have kept going, it would have been there eventually. For sure. Yeah. And it was just like, there was so much behind the scene. I don't even tell people, like, even here.

Like, there was just a lot of, bro. like it was a lot um it was a lot that happened to me and i was like damn like i just really i could sit here and really just like quit or it's like i can have this belief that i can do it and like try to change my life and try to inspire others and that's like kind of the route i took because i was like bro if i don't it's like i'm really just going to sit here and die i'm just going to rot you know but yeah but that's that's that's what this shit's all about like it's just nothing in life is supposed to be so easy if it was easy everyone would do it it. Yeah, and I just wish more people would understand that like all the shit also just go through

and you deal with and that's hard and that's difficult at any age, like you're supposed to because that's making you better. And like, and truly like even if it's to help teach someone else from your perspective, how they could be better. Like that's also just what life is about. It's just about the process of like love and giving love and sharing. You have one life, bro. Yeah. You know, like going, actually now that you said like what I want to be remembered by is like I really want to inspire people to like really never quit on yourself like never count yourself out that would be like the sentence like really never count yourself out like you could be sick you could be you could lose family you could lose everything you could lose all your money bro people go broke

go homeless like right you can really like do anything if you like genuinely put your head down and just say fuck it you know like you can and i feel like a lot of people don't realize that until they do it because i think everyone has the capabilities to do it it's really just the mindset of will I do it you know yeah I think it's just easy for people to get caught up and in like it not being comfortable or it not being supposed to be uncomfortable yeah that's the whole point it's like people are way too comfortable being comfortable that they've never it's such a plan words but they've never been uncomfortable you know what I'm saying so it's like it's so hard because one because people who have been comfortable their whole life it's like once something

hits the fan they're like they don't know what to do yeah and I was a victim to that too you know I was like, bro, it was like, that was my job, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I lost my job overnight. I lost all everything and that was a lot to me because it was like I had a lot of bills that I was paying, my family I'm helping and I was like, man, I was like, this is the end. I was like, I'm gonna, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm so it was a rough time, but, you know, I just said. What do you say to the people that like, they get to that same point, they try something?

it doesn't work again keep failing it's it's so stupid but like bro i i've people think people just see my success or like your success and think that there was no failure like bro i can't speak for you but i failed so many times yeah bro i i i would even like reselling in high school i would buy shit sell it for cheaper than what i bought i would lose money it's small things but it's like it goes back to the concept of streaming like bro like i failed for a year straight i had like four viewers. People told me to quit. It wasn't daily streams for a year, but it was like I literally was streaming to nobody. Then I had people hating on me. It's just like, bro, I love failing because it teaches you so much. And it's in anything. It's like, bro, I wouldn't consider

like, it sounds funny, but like me hitting you as a failure or like taking your hat I meant, not you with me hitting you. But when I took your hat, I don't consider it as a failure, but I consider it as like somewhat of a failure as like a lesson. Like I learned from it and I also matured from it. Like, you know, I feel like it was meant. to happen like I was streaming for 15 days and I was like ahead of myself and that happened and it was like damn like I failed because everyone's hating on me I failed because I let my viewers and I let you down because you trust me going in your place and I was like you know like I learned a lot from it so I guess like bro if you fail like fuck it keep going like bro billionaires fail billioners fail

billioners go billion to broke to back to billion like there's people who do that and it doesn't seem real because it's like you don't see it but like bro there's so much shit behind the scenes I'm sure you deal with still to this day. I deal with it. So it's like. We talked about something before we got on the pod. It's like you're, you're going to get fuck.

You're going to be taking advantage of. You're going to be hurt. Like that's also just a part of like, it's life and business and money or content or just anything you choose to go down. Like you can't expect it to just always work out how you think it should be working out. Yeah. Because that though, like people who have that mindset or it's sad because I think a lot of people create that mindset because of,

I've had that before. Because of the internet, because of what you see other people doing or having. It's because people only see the good, like, where I'm not going to go live and talk about, like, every day, like, shit that's going on in my life. You know what I'm saying? Like, if something happened, my family, I'm not going to go live and try to make it a sad place. Like, sure, I might relate and be like, yeah, I'm going through something. But it's like, bro, they only see the good. You know what I'm saying?

Or 99% of the time, 90% of the time, 10% you see the bad. 90% you're only going to see the good. And of course, like, the clips, you're not going to see, like, you're going to see the hype moments, like, the cool moments. So it's like for sure they don't see the what you said like the upsetting parts like parts like and that's why I said full circle moment for you like times. I just think that the newer creators like the ones who got the youth like because they they love you to just spend some more time and talk to them about those moments. Yeah. You know I mean just even just doing this pot I think a lot of kids will get a completely different perspective of you. He'll be like oh shit. I'm sure. And like that's I think that's just that's just the big circle of this whole thing like nonstop man. It just pays it forward. Sure, bro. And I appreciate you coming. I appreciate you not like... Appreciate you having me.

I mean, you didn't have to have me. No, I wanted to. I wanted to. I needed to like somehow wrap this whole thing up because I think it's the nice hair. That's like the fourth compliment. You said about my hair. I got good. Dude, I'm a little jealous of the hair.

Maybe that like you told you when it popped out they had. I was like, ah, because my hair used to do that. What happened? X is that bad? No, yeah. No, dude, I just broke. I started baldy when I was like 22. Really?

Like, like, hairline bald? or just like like spots like is it like genetic or is it yeah it's for sure genetic i mean it's that's how that's how the shit works like yeah like steroids could speed it up i'm headed that direction bro no you're great you're great people's no dude listen i'll tell you what happened i had hair just like that all around i cover my i cover my like we didn't do the side cut in the four we did i just had a whole like hair exactly like that curly all the way around and i i'll never forget like i remember i shaved it one day like i was like i had that hair for a while So I must have been like 22

Because I remember 18 I had it I have a bunch of pictures of me I could show them someday But and then at 22 I said I shaved it Because I just wanted to have just a shaved look Because I started getting more into the gym And I was like oh this will look cool And bro I sort of guy

I looked at my hair I was like I was like what the fuck is going on with my hair line Bro And I wish I knew something then that I know now And to anyone who deals with this hair loss There's two things you could do Never take this like pill Because a lot of people take this like propitia pill

How should make a product? I should have done make i i there are products i should make a product there's there's two things that i if i would have done that like then right when it happened i would have been great but i didn't what was it so it's it's it's there's so madoxinil and finisteri so both those it's like it's in rogain and there's a different one rose your hair like it makes like the well it also stop it from like continuing and if i did it then i would have been so i was just i'm gonna start bro i'm telling you i'm not kidding like if you did that you don't take any pills because that's like like a bunch of other hormone

shit but topically put it in your hair I would have been goaling because I started doing it and it like started to reverse it. You have a good beard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But who know? You might get one. But but well, no, you're 21 now. You probably would have had one already a little bit. I shave a lot, but it's patchy. It's not

like, I don't think it's not like. We can't have it all, dude. No, yeah. I can't have it all. But definitely those two things, man, if I would have had changed the course of my career, dude. I would have been a fucking annoying streamer. Just to have. What the fuck? I fucking you what the fuck no dude

if I still had that beach hair dude man can't have it all yeah yeah I know but thank you for coming on man she was fun

yeah she was fun anything you ever need hit me up I appreciate you he actually came on the pot I won't say what he said but he came on the pot before he started the pot

he told me something I was like I really appreciate that I respect you for that fuck those other people but it's a whole different conversation we'll talk about it um

Yeah, man, it was a pleasure. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah, fucking dope. Anything you want to say? Why did you hit me?