RAWTALK - Confronting the $10,000,000 Beast Games Winner… Is He A Plant?

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with the winner of Beast Games and talks what it was like competing in Beast Games, why he competed, what he plans to do with the $10 Million & much more!Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday!

Yeah, it's weird, like, my first question was really like, are you a plant? Am I a plant? Yeah, like you're just a random contestant. I literally is the first, is sounding, I mean, were you recording? Yeah, yeah. Oh, sweet. Okay. I just run right into it.

This was my first thing I've ever applied for. So it's my first game show. Wow. I mean, technically my wife and I, I think we applied for Amazing Race like 10 years ago, but like she did it. So I never got talked to a casting agent. No, just random human. I'm just a random dad who is a sales leader who got laid off by his job last April.

Yeah. It was like, you know, I cold called a modeling agency. I'm like, hey, let me do something more creative. didn't get any gigs from them and I saw a cat on a casting website like, Beast games. Yeah. And so I'm like, okay, I can be the cool dad to my nine year old. And you knew who

Mr. Beast was. Yeah, my old, I have two boys. My oldest is Jack, loves Mr. Beast at the time he was eight. Yeah. And so he introduced me to Mr. Beast and we started watching, and obviously seen Mr. Beast on Rogan, but I never really knew what the hell he did until my son. And then his little brother has a rare disease. I'm like, gosh, if I can get on this

game show like it to be cool dad to jack and i can maybe talk about this rare disease the world um because it's mr beast it's going to be all over the world yeah and so so prior to this you were laid off of a job yeah i was uh i was leading a sales team for a healthcare startup and uh i got laid off like i think it was last april and applications for this were due in may how do you been in how do you been in health care like your whole life whole life yeah i uh i grew up in ohio uh played football in college, then after that, went and did kind of medical device sales, and then health care sales. So I was just in sales and sales leadership for 20 years. Do you think that helped you win the games? Sales? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, being able to communicate and listen to people was huge.

I mean, this was a very social game. What was the hardest part? I mean, being away from the kids and the wife is not easy. Oh, I'm out of the game. Oh, yeah, obviously. It's, yeah, it's just It's balancing, like, your values and, like, who do you want to be? But also, like, eventually you're going to have to go against your best friends. So it's just, like, always kind of like, and I, it's a miracle that I won. Like, because I was always trying to help my friends get further. But yeah, just kind of having that balancing act where, like, should I take a bribe and eliminate all these people?

Did you, did you have, I'm assuming you, I mean, you're obviously older of age. Did you have money? You already had some money. It's not like you were broke. Yeah, I wasn't broke, but, you know, I live in the Bay Area. I mean, like middle class in the Bay Area. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I mean, and my wife, we've been together, we've been married 10 years,

been together almost 15, and she's, she's in, her parents are immigrants. So, like, she knew how to, like, stretch a dollar, save a dollar. So she taught me more about money. So I was like, we have a good foundation with money. It's not like I owed a bunch of money in debt. Yeah. You know, owe money on my house, but that was it. Yeah.

Yeah. So you get 10 million just wired to you, right? That's what it is? Like a $10 million wire. Like a $10 million wire. Like no tax is taken out. And I didn't, I didn't. But you have to pay taxes on it. Of course. Yeah. But I think like Jimmy kind of like Mr. Beas goes like, okay, like he's had a comment. Like his team had a conversation with me. He had a conversation with me. He was like, you have to pay her taxes. He goes, I, because he loves to do huge things. But he can't do it if I didn't pay my taxes. Yeah, of course not. So. How much is taxes off that 10 mil? Four? If I didn't do anything with it, it'd be five, a little over five. So I hate the government so much for that. I deal with that, obviously. Well, especially in California, too.

I mean, like, it's just, you know, the highest bracket is 14.4%. Yeah. And so, yeah, so for me, it's like then, but I have charitable deductions. We're trying to find a cure for my son's rare disease. So obviously starting a foundation, that's tax exempt. Yeah. I mean, I won't pay 50%, but if I didn't do anything, it'd be 50%. Yeah.

Which is the first thing that you bought with the $10 million? We didn't do anything too crazy. I wish I had, like we went on a family vacation to Maui. And we didn't like my wife, one of the reasons why we're good financially is like she's, she looks at every penny and we're like, hey, we're not looking at anything we spend. Whatever food, whatever toys, whatever they want to do, we're doing. And it was a blast. That sounds amazing.

It was good. So, have there ever been, have there ever been another time in your life when you had a bunch of money? Were you able to live like that? I never, you know, in my kind of professional career, like I've been successful enough where if I want to go do something, I can do it. Yeah. But not like to take a, like, really nice resort, really nice dinners.

Like, I'm always trying to, like, save up. How can I use points for miles or, you know? but this was the first time where we just said hey doesn't matter what the cost is yeah let's freaking do it so it just kind of just added to your it sounded like your existing life like really well yeah i mean everybody asks like how much gosh is your life just transformed um yes i mean obviously i have 10 million dollars like i don't have to go back to a w-2 job anytime soon um i get to make sure that my son lucas who's got a rare disease is taking care of for life and also start to fund research but like what is that disease uh it's called creatine transplant

I saw this is why you were trying to call Elon Musk. He thought he was going to be able to help you with that, huh? Well, I mean, because the way I looked at Elon, and you watched the episode. Yeah. So Elon, creatine is like the energy source for the brain. You've obviously taken creatine.

Yeah, I take creatine every day. Yeah, yeah. But it was always, like, it was always for kind of gym culture or athletics, but now people take it just normally for their brain. It's one of the best supplements on the planet. Yeah. Which is crazy now because now it's like we get 90% of it from China and there's like 100% terrible.

But Germany has really good creatine. So you either get it from China or Germany. Yeah. But it's the energy source for the body, one of the energy sources. So I go, Tesla, energy. And then I go brain, which is Lucas's condition impacts his brain, neuralink. I'm like, and Elon spent a couple cycles with his team kind of go, okay, how can I get the energy to the brain? Yeah, it's, it's, that neroling shit's crazy.

It seems like it's going to be like the future of us. But it's almost weird because it's like, we're just going to turn into fucking robots. I swear that's what's going to happen. I think it's happening. Part human, part robot. Well, especially with, I mean, just AI, self-driving vehicles. Like, I mean, I think things are going to look really different in five years. You know what I'm really interested?

The reason I asked you earlier, like, if you're a plant, is because, like, why was your initial thought after winning the beast games and making $10 million to go do podcasts? Because it's like you, like, went straight into, like, internet culture. Yeah. I mean, so for me, the reason I got on beast games was to talk about my son. Okay. And to spread awareness about this condition. So my thing is, the more people who can hear about this,

maybe there's a researcher at, you know, at, you know, call it Columbia or University of Miami who's like, oh my gosh, like I've been researching creatine. I think I have an idea of how to get it to the brain. So his brain is just not holding it well, it's not. His brain doesn't get it. So his body makes it fine. creatine is arginine glycine kind of combined right his body makes it gets into the blood but once

it gets to the brain the transport that takes it into the brain or the muscles um it's a specific gene is broken so his brain doesn't get any creatine at all what's his quality of life like it's severely impacted so he's seven um his brain has not doesn't function like a seven year old isn't developed so he's probably around like a year and a half cognitively holy shit yeah oh that's serious yeah so it's um he's just he's you know rare disease special needs there's only a few hundred of them in the world so it's not like you know Pfizer some big companies working on it because it's just not big enough and i get it i don't blame them at all yeah um man that's interesting yeah so my thing is can i get out and

keep telling his story so that maybe there's one researcher who goes gosh i can help or one family's like i i never even knew there's anybody else who had ctd yeah so we're just trying to reach out why why do you think this is just like a it has nothing to do with any of this stuff but it has to do with son in this disease why do you think certain people are just dealt certain hands like that um it's like a weird i love it you want to go deep yeah i got it's curious yeah no i uh i think lucy i think lucas's soul chose this body you know i think like so you do you you then believe in in multiple lives in a sense almost yeah i mean just to make that assumption yeah you know i mean so i believe that like his soul said hey like maybe we may

made a contract in another life where like I said hey like I need to I need to learn a lesson but I need you to come back as my son have you seen the egg story no oh my god pull it up yeah the egg story I'm not we're not gonna watch the whole thing because it's like five minutes long but you should watch this basically it's this it's this animated story about this guy dies and then he's like what about my family and all this stuff and he started it'll pull up here and he starts to yeah just mute that and he starts to talk to this that is representative of God and he was saying that like basically you know you are you but you are also every other person obviously not at the exact same time all experiencing life

sort of different stages like you experience your life I experience my life I learn I grow I learn I grow and the idea is like you know you continually continuously on any timeline like if you go back you die and you go back and live this life here you live this life you live almost every life until you basically are God himself and the idea is essentially that like that we're just living you know because when people talk about the connectedness of like people and you know do good to others because it's almost like you're doing good to yourself um it's just a significant thing you should watch this and you get a chance it's describing exactly what you're saying i'll check it out but what you're saying is exactly what i believe i believe that we're here to kind of get

closer to god like communion with god and god is not in my mind i just it's like an energy too it's right it's like the ultimate cause and effect like you can't like you can't run from it yeah so i think that lucas is here to teach mom and dad lessons yeah and i think his soul is like he looks at me with it i mean boom wrong he suffers but he looks to me with his eyes and he's like hey dad i'm okay like i hope you're learning the lesson like i chose this body so you can learn your lesson yeah that's tough super tough yeah it's uh you know and obviously it gives me peace of mind to think that maybe we made this contract together but he's he's a happy boy like I mean he's he is in the he doesn't have enough cognitive um development to like

think about tomorrow or worry about yesterday it's almost like a dog he's also yeah but he's in the zone every yeah yeah yeah like he's happy so um but it's weird because like imagine so imagine this was a fixable thing let's say it was able to be fixed in the next five years would that mean he would have to start from a, from a younger age, obviously at an older age and then like re-integrate. Every doctor, research we talk to say, hey, if we get creatine to his brain, like, you'll see a mark a difference. Like, you'll see a great, he's not going to catch up. He's not going to like take him, you know, he's not going to be 22 when he's actually 28.

Like he's, he will be kind of developmentally behind, but he will be able to do stuff on his own. You know, it's like right now he needs help with almost every. thing. But, um, but um, but yeah, it's, um, man, he, I'm telling you, like, he again, he inspired me to get on a game show and went to, like, yeah, it's, which is just crazy. Yeah. It's, it's, it's like winning the lottery in a sense. It's like a very, it's interesting that you're the guy that won it in this all circumstantial, like, considered as strange. It's a miracle. Like, I mean, it's one of these things where it's like, when I showed up on the first day, I look around and it's like people your age and younger. And I'm like,

What am I doing here? Yeah. Like, I didn't know anybody. I didn't know soul. But luckily, I made some quick friends, but I was just like, what the hell am I doing here? So to win, what was the hardest part? Because there is that weird back and forth of, like, eventually you have to knock people off. Yeah, but you just have to know when to play and when to not.

Like, it's like, because, like, you can step up and be a leader. It's like gambling. Yeah, yeah. You got no one to hold them, no one to hold them. Like, you really have to, there's times where you want to step up, be a leader, and there's times where you need to blend in and, like, just not step in the shit. And being good at knowing when to, like, shut up was, was important. Yeah, you got me thinking, because they want me to do this strong and smart,

the new game that they're casting for now. I kind of want to do it now. I think you have to. Like, I mean, it's for the, just for the experience, almost. But I feel like my, it sounds so lame, my fear is like I win and because I already have social media presence, they're going to be like, you're a fucking asshole. Like, why would you go try to win this money? You already have money.

Or you can do whatever you want with it. That's true. I'd have to give away most of it. But you would, I mean, or you could invest it in some really cool stuff. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I think it's a good problem to have. Why don't you go win it and see what happened. Yeah.

And then, but then I'm so competitive. Like, if I don't win it, I'll be so hard on myself. That's what got into me is like as we got further in the game, like the athlete in he's like, I want to win. Like, I want to, like, I want to, like, I want to, like, I want to advance. That's so funny. So what was it like meeting Jimmy? Is he like the same guy? Yeah. I mean, I, I, when you're first in the show with a thousand people, like, you don't get to talk to him. Right. Makes sense. So I really didn't talk to, like, the top 10, maybe the top 20, but he's, he's, you want to talk about competitive. He's,

like, super competitive. We, um, we had a game night where we were playing, like, Katan and like he would not let anybody beat him yeah he's a he's he's a he's a very obviously though he got to where he's at his life super credit but i remember playing uh we were playing i think they were playing poker after we did an interview with him with noke and then he's just like he's smashed tiny he's just dialed in yeah like anything he does he's dialed in big time gambler is he's locked yeah oh my gosh i love it's dope he's though he's good at it is you can tell he i mean the guy's smart you what do you bet on games or what's your I play, I like Blackjack.

And I gamble in general. But like, I was watching them play and it was like, you could tell he was just like, he obviously has money. He didn't care about that. But he, he, he's just smart. He's good at it. Yeah, super smart. When he wants to do something, he does it like all the way.

So you created a foundation for your son with the money? That was the main thing. We're doing it right now. Yeah. So it takes longer than we thought. But yeah, the ultimate aim is how do we fund research? You know, and I think, you know, I'm blessed to have a wife who's, you know, looks at this not just as a problem, but like Lucas is a gift to us. But not every family is like this.

You know, like I think there's a lot of families that obviously don't have $10 million that we need to try to help. The best way to do it is can we fund research to get creatine to their brain. So, you know, fast forward 10 years, a child who's born with it can get diagnosed and have a treatment within a week. Yeah. You didn't want to buy a Ferrari or something. I mean, sports cars weren't really my thing. But you didn't think about it? I mean, I've seen some, like, I like, like nice classic Porsches would be.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So nothing, nothing crazy like that? Not yet. I mean, one of the big things for me was like, hey, let's just, we're no rush. Yeah.

I didn't have any of these giant kind of dreams. Like, I need something. But like, I'll eventually have to get a bigger house for my son. Yeah. We live in the Bay Area. We live in kind of like a shoebox. Dude, I can't imagine living back in the bay right now. It's just so expensive.

I think it's expensive here, but the Bay is like... The Bay is ridiculous. It's absurd what they've done. Well, and it's just weird because it's like even like winning $10 million there, like so many people get mented millionaires overnight with all these startups. So it's like it's not that big of a deal there. It was a huge deal for us because we've never hit it big on any startups. Yeah.

But it's just a weird world. It's a weird world where. everything that's where everything all the ideas happen yeah are you gonna start playing the lottery now or what no gosh you think you got you got it no yeah i mean i am my luck has been good lately but like i i i was a gambler i was not that good so i stopped gambling and the moment i stopped gambling the moment money started coming to me those nuts so for me it's like okay there's no reason to go back to it fair fair what wait has so there was never another point in your life where you had like really good luck or was it when was there worst in your life you know i mean um i i've i've been lucky to make

good fortune out of whatever comes my way you know like you know one of my mantras is find beauty in the bumps i've gone through enough challenges and stuff and but like i eventually find my way out and as long as i learn my lesson i keep going but um yeah i mean i've i feel like i've been fortunate but gambling was not my thing i just i i just i i i loved blackjack but i was i mean i'd always get popped oh that's fair i just yeah it's all about the bank it's all about the bank roll and then being able to stop so where do you play here i mean are there or do you have to go to Vegas Vegas yeah i play online too i don't play here um obviously because the the rules but i'll i play online on roubet what's your favorite casino to play in a

Vegas i play at the red rock okay because they treat me really well there and it's like it's a nice it's an awesome resort it's kind of a way yeah yeah yeah so On set, what was the hardest thing to deal with besides not being able to speak to your family? Well, I realize this is kind of like you gathering Intel for season two. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just you literally don't have your phone. You don't have your computer.

You're wearing a uniform all day. So you're wearing these kind of weird kind of polyester pants and shirt. So it's like this adult summer camp, but you have no access to the outside world. So it's like, there's sometimes where like you want to be alone. You're like, I just need to recharge. but then you realize like you need to step up your social game because you need to lean on people to get through challenges so that's the thing I guess what they set it up in a way where like it's like you all have to work together but then only one person really wins yeah it's uh

it's a mind fuck it's it's i mean mr beast could be a psychologist it's like it's a total mind fuck. And the people who went the furthest were, and I don't know if it's kind of happenstance or if it's like because of the games, they were the ones who actually helped others. Like the gal who I went against in the final challenge had turned down a million dollars twice for other people. She could have taken a million dollars and eliminated 60 people. She didn't do it. She could have taken a million dollars and no one else who got eliminated. She didn't do it. So what that because that just allows you that people are they're less likely to vote you off because they're like oh this person's good. Exactly. I mean like she was committed to

go into the end like and obviously that was showed but also she's super high integrity. She didn't want to people chose her to represent them. She didn't want to screw them over and say hey I'm going to eliminate you and take a million bucks. Those are the people who typically went the furthest. How'd you know to pick the briefcase the one right away? Like how did you first try is crazy. First try. Yeah, it's weird. Like, I was, like, as an athlete, I was, like, in the zone. Like, I was just remarkably calm that whole day. But, like, the number six kept popping up to me the days before.

I got handed key number six. I was in bunk number six. I said a prayer that had six words in it. Like, just the number six. And then so when I look down and you see the lazy Susan with the briefcases and I saw it was numbered, I'm like, it's got to be six. And so that's where I started from. So, like, when I took off the blindfold, as long as there was a briefcase in front of six,

that's where I was starting. And I went around and I tried to, like, pressure test her. Like, try to see, like, are you giving me any clues to make me not choose six? And she didn't. Damn. Let me see. It's a little bit of luck. Could be divine.

Could be I incepted it. Who knows? But, yeah, like, it was, it was crazy. Yeah. It, I wonder, I mean, because it's, it was the biggest sort of. winning of like an ever of all time on TV you know that right like our TV or TV or scripted any sort of reality yeah it was the largest reality game show prize ever and it started off it was five million dollars until that last final episode so one of my

my friends gauge flipped a coin and just for people out there watching so there was six of us left and they rolled out a whole another pyramid of five million dollars in cash so there's 10 million dollars literally in U.S. dollars sitting there on set. And Jimmy goes, if you flip this coin and you call it right, the prize goes to 10 million for everybody. But if you get it wrong, you get eliminated. So you want to talk about a gambler. Fucking hell, man. Yeah. So my buddy Gage, who's like traditionally quiet, kind of like in big groups, I got to know him. He's a good friend of mine, just kind of got these huge balls, the last couple challenges, grabs the coin. I mean, it says I'm doing it.

And he called it tails, and guess what? Tails. I mean, that was my favorite, my favorite moment of the entire games. It was unbelievable. It was so cool. Yeah, it's, it's, I wonder, I wonder where they go with it. Like for the next games, the smart and strong one that I know they're setting up currently because I've been talking to him, but, um, I wonder how much bigger the prize thing gets.

Because it seems like in, in Mr. B's fashion, it's just like more absurd. It's, it has to be. And, I mean, have you, um, you know, John, you should. I don't. Okay. John Ushay has this awesome behind the season, a YouTuber, has an awesome behind the scenes on the final episode. And like 20 minutes after I won, he's interviewing Mr. Beast. And he's like, how do you top this?

And Mr. Beast is like, oh, don't worry, we will. Yeah. That's just how he does it. It's like one big spectacle after another. So I personally cannot wait to watch season two. Like I think it's going to be so much bigger than the season one. I think it'll be much more kind of tougher gameplay. I think people will be...

Wasn't this also like the most watched show in like this type of show in like forever? Yeah, I don't know. The numbers on Amazon were insane apparently. Yeah, I mean, it was number one every week. Can you pull up the how many people viewed it? I think it was like 80 million or some crazy shit. And it's all over the world.

I mean, like I get DMs from Brazil, from India, Pakistan. You get girls sliding your DMs now? I really haven't got a ton. The good news is, like, because this is, something my wife was always like hey like are you going to have a bunch of girls sliding your DMs the final episode I like kind of profess my love to my wife and talked about my family and they know my so like if you're sliding into my DMs as a girl like man you got a lot of confidence yeah it's I was just fucking mess with you

no but no but it's uh I mean obviously there's some people like oh I love you or yeah you're so handsome yeah yeah you got nothing you got that uh nothing crazy that what's it what do they say that gray fox silver fox yeah fire good good good look Oh, I'll take it. It's like in now. So, fuck, man. You like social media? I know.

I didn't. Okay. So, like, this is, like, totally new to me. I, um, I had, like, 500 followers in Instagram in December. What was your perspective of people who did social, like, obviously, Jimmy's, you know, an outlier as far as, like, someone who does social media is such a massive scale. But what was your perspective of just people who do social media before you were, like, kind of in the mix?

I think it, I mean, I, my favorite. subscription is YouTube premium. I paid for YouTube premium. That's where I take in all my information is on YouTube. So a ton of respect for YouTubers and content creators. I just never even thought like I could ever do it. Yeah. But like social media in general, it's just it's a time suck, you know?

Yeah. But like if you're using it as a business, I mean, it's awesome. You get to go direct to your consumers, direct to your clients or customers. And they literally can pay you directly. Yeah. It's amazing, man. I guess so what got you into it oh that's a good question um man I I've talked about this before but it's it's funny because I was basically just the fucking a nerd that loved playing video

games and working out like genuinely and I remember playing video games and what I would do because I was so kind of obsessed with like my life and what my life was going to be like and what you know because I lost my father when I was young so I was always worried about like the future and like what how was I going to end up yeah and so very young obviously I was in the video games because it's like I'm 35 so it was like halo warcraft world of warcraft all this shit and I would sit and play video games after like you know football practice and shit and I would always be like man I really like two things I really liked working out and I really like playing video games so I was like how do I make money doing that so I would

look at websites that at the time were like business websites. I don't know why. I was just like gravitated towards like business stuff or like new things that were happening in that area. And I just remember reading an article on this website called CNET at the time where they were saying how e-commerce and social media was going to change the world. And this is back when I was like 16. Are you kidding? That's cool. Yeah. And I had like, I remember I started a, so I was like, oh, I'm going to start a Twitter, which now obviously is called X. And I was like, I'm going to figure out how to make, And I'm like, I'm like 16 thinking like this. So I made a Twitter and I opened it up and I'm like, how do I get anyone to give a

fuck about anything? Like I'm, I could write something and zero views nothing, right? And I'm like, I don't know how to do this shit. But I kind of stuck to it. I obviously stuck to video games because that was very easy to stick to. Working out very easy to stick to. And then I would just, like every day, because I was on the computer, I would look at this site.

And they said this new, this new app is going to come out. It's called Instagram. and I was like oh okay I'll download it and I remember I downloaded this app this is like now years later right because but I was obsessed kind of with looking to try to figure out what the next apps were going to be because they kept telling and saying how social media was going to change the world and it was going to change e-commerce so I downloaded Instagram like I want to say maybe a couple months after it came out in like late October 2010 and I would I remember just telling people, you know, follow me on Instagram.

Like I was a gym bro at this time. So I was a trainer and I was a gym bro. And I would tell people to follow me on Instagram. People were like, the fuck is Instagram. And this is back when you couldn't get it on Android. So if somebody had Android, they'd be like, I can't even download the app. And I just remember thinking like this was going to be it. Not like, oh, I was going to make what it is today, what it is.

I had no idea. I just thought like this would be my foot in to try to make money on the internet. Because I was like, oh, if I could make money on the internet, then, And I can do what I want. I can play video games and work out. Exactly. Brilliant. And eventually it became a thing just because I was a trainer and I was posting my client's

progress, posting what I look like, posting like, you know, there's no videos at the time. So it was just like visuals. And it turned into way more than I just thought it ever would because in the beginning, fitness was one of the most popular things. And it's still very, very popular and relevant on social media. but it was like one of like the most popular things and I just kind of I nailed it I guess timing wise like how old I was my ability to post and like look a certain way at the at the right time and I was competing in like these um bodybuilding competitions and so I had enough to show

um and it just took off once video came out then I started to really go viral because I was like also strong and good at like you know jumping out of pools and doing all these things that would go viral and this is back when Instagram like in its first iteration if you got on the explore page which is like you know now you look and it's like based on who you like and who you follow and what you already watch and they have the whole algorithm more built out to like direct you where your interest kind of already are back in the day it was like you'd post something and if you were popular enough and it got viral fast enough that it would sit on this explore page and there was like six different versions but it was always the same if you had

Instagram, then you had the same six pages. So I would get on the explore page and get like 200,000 followers. Crazy. I mean, that's like, how old were you at the time? I had to be my early 20s, maybe like 23, 24. And it's got to be cool to like, oh, I have this idea. I'm reading this. I think it's, I'm going to lean into it. And next, you know, you got a couple of hundred. Yeah, I look back on my, my Twitter in 2008, you know, and I look back and I'm like, what the fuck because i didn't know i didn't i didn't know like oh this is going to be what i didn't know was going to be doing podcasting then you know at the time when it started to blow up i guess i was just blessed in the fact that like the right timing the right place like the right age and the right

niche that was really successful on a platform that obviously when it started it's all visual base it's like so if you look good then that was doing really well because obviously you know i don't say obviously everyone's super fucking vain but part of instagram is like the people who get more on it faster is like the vainness of it right because it's like you see the girls who can get on instagram and start to only fans and make millions of dollars just because they're hot chicks yeah it's fucking nuts it's make more money than you how long oh dude how long has that been going on pro fuck i mean like like the last five years yeah i'd say i like the last eight years those numbers are ridiculous well then yeah i mean that's the thing though i really used to go like who the

fuck is buying this shit like what there's really dudes and because it's not just one girl there's like thousands and thousands of girls and obviously there's got to be a cut for the company so for them to make that much how much more is being spent so that's what i don't get like your point like who is paying for this yeah obviously it seems like everyone but i don't know anyone who does it's the same with me i don't get it i don't i don't understand that that's a that's a that's a that's a whole crazy conversation man that's i mean that's the whole sex industry the you know it's a version of that right yeah where that's like never ending well i guess the one of the most popular professions i guess been around forever yeah but it's it's i think that's also really poisoning

the fuck out of the future for sure it's um because girls are like why go to college of you know hot girls whatever why even just the hottest girls like it's like any girls at this point like why do this if i can just do that i know it's uh it's weird yeah it's i i didn't have when i met my wife like there was match.com but it wasn't an app yeah it's like i i didn't meet her online but like i was on match before that and i was like but like i never had done any app dating i just can imagine how that's got to be so dangerous pro nowadays it's like i feel like a hundred percent of people just meet on an app yeah whether it's instagram or some other app but it's like you can go to any city and just turn it on and it's just uh yeah i mean i i think i think this generation's in a

weird spot yeah they're cooked relationships it's fucked it's really bad man I mean, you came in here, I was like, you know, you have two kids, you got a wife. I was like, fuck, it's the hardest thing for me is figuring that out. It's just, it's tough. Do you want it? Yeah, yeah. I just, I've had versions of it in the past that like, you know, because of what I was so, where my focuses were at the time, it wasn't conducive to those things working, you know?

And then it's like, you look back and you're like, time also goes so fast, obviously in general, but in this space and how you're focused, you have to constantly be like, okay, what's next? What's next? content creation wise that it doesn't really give you much time to breathe and like look at the rest of your life that's the weird sort of i think that's why you have to go in peace games you need you need to reset yeah i need to get off of my fucking phone but i'm telling you like you're at an age where you're like i was i was 34 35 when i got married yeah so it's like did like the nice thing about

being a man is doesn't matter what age you are thank god but like dude you'll find it yeah yeah now i have you know i i've been getting closer go to a different country Go to a different country. Or someone doesn't know who you are. Yeah. So wait, your wife is, is your wife an import or something, it sounds like? No. So you're not a passport, bro?

No, I'm not. Her parents, her parents came from Hong Kong and China in the 60s. So, yeah, she's an American-born Chinese. She's been here. Oh, yeah. She's born, born-raised here. Born and raised California. Is she talking any shit about Trump and the tariffs or what?

She hasn't. Not yet. No. No, it's too funny. No, it's, but it's a crazy time right now. Do you speak Mandarin? Do I? Does she speak?

No, she speaks Cantonese. Oh, Cantonese is what they speak in Hong Kong. Okay. Mandarin is most mainland. Yeah, that's cool. You speak in our languages? No, I wish. Well, I mean, growing up in the Bay, you should have,

I learned a little bit. I dated mostly Hispanic, like, so, like, I know a bit. You know, I know the angry words. Yeah, exactly. You can understand it. Yeah. When she gets mad, is she's speaking in Cantonese? No, but I mean, like, she'll talk to her sister.

Do your kids know? No. Cantonese is, like, so hard to learn. Yeah. I'm trying to teach my kids, trying to teach Jack Spanish. Yeah. But yeah, like, I wish I knew more. I can speak a little bit of Spanish, but I need, I need done.

Do you find yourself now $10 million richer minus whatever, some taxes, some investments? Do you find yourself now liking social media more? I like it so much more than I thought I would. Like, I expected me to kind of go, okay, I have to do this. Because, again, like, how else? It would just be stupid for me to win $10 million and think that, so to cure rare disease, you need like $50 million or more. Yeah.

So my $10 million is a drop in a bucket. So what I need is more people who are philanthropic who want to join kind of this mission, more researchers who I did. And you talk to Jimmy about it at all, maybe? Not yet. I mean, he did a lot by giving me $10 million. Fair, fair. And I think if anything I think he's the guy, like he's the guy's fucking fixing blind people.

I know, dude. Do it everything. It's ridiculous, all the philanthropic stuff he does. I think eventually I need to think of something creative content-wise. Because, again, if it's content, he'll do just about anything. Yeah. You mean, like, something content-wise as far as you creating something? Yeah, like, or like, how do you, like, if he said,

I'm putting two researchers in a room for 180 days until you come out with a cure, and if they do, they get a million dollars. Like, that's something I think would be cool he could do. fuck um i mean but i would like i would i i think he is someone who is he's already helping yeah i think he will um he's gonna do a lot for humanity what's changed the most in your day today since winning the money um i mean just post mating shit all the time what's that you postmate and shit all the time now you just ordering food all day or what no no but i mean but like not postmate but posting on like like having to like worry about content like like because again

the whole purpose of this is how can i do an outreach but like i didn't know how to do any this I'm learning like a new language. Yeah. I was never on TikTok. Like, being like a YouTube, constantly understanding how editing works. I'm like,

oh my gosh. Like this is, it's no wonder why people want to do it. It's great, but it's hard. Yeah, it's hard. But yeah,

I mean, just everyday life, it's just I get stopped when I go places now. Really? Which is cool. Oh, yeah.

You're the guy who won that money? They don't try to rob you or what? No. Trigger in the bay. They try rob you for sure. No, I don't go to, I don't go downtown.

Yeah. But, But, but no. I'm robbing that motherfucker But yeah, no, like on airplanes or when I was in New York City last week and just, I got stopped like 20 times just walking down the street.

But it's good. It's mostly people like, oh my gosh, my girlfriend and I loved watching the show or little kids who are like, it's mostly like it's these kids who watched it who get so excited about it, which is awesome. So I love connecting with them. But like last week I did a collaboration

with Ryan Sirhant from kind of owning Manhattan. Yeah, that's the real estate guy. Yeah, real estate guy. So these things like sitting down with you, like, dude, I've watched your show. I've watched your content. That's sick. And so it's like, the fact that, like, I'm sitting here is just like,

it's kind of surreal. That's cool. I appreciate that. It's fun, man. Yeah. I mean, this is definitely like, not my normal sort of interview. I normally interview like other social media fucks or whatever, like celebrity-ish people. But this is really interesting because you, you had just a completely, like, your life

just changed like that. And then you're pushed into an industry that is like kind of weird. It's super weird. But, I mean, I've, I've done musical theater before. like, you know, I've been in like two commercials, you know, in the last 15 years. Like, I like to talk to people so, like, I don't mind doing it. I just never, I was kind of, like, had the golden handcuffs of a job to like kind of go, like, hey, honey, I think I'm going to quit my job. I want to try something else.

But fortunately, I got laid off and Mr. Beast helped do the rest. This is a weird how, life is just how things work. And it's also sometimes how things don't fucking work. And how, like, everybody's doing the same. Like, everybody has their own thing and just somehow it all works out. Yeah. It's weird how you got your life, I got my life. We have our problems.

We have our good days. Yeah. It's just crazy how we keep waking up. What, what, um, what was the most mentally challenging part of the game besides, I guess, it sounds like you had to play this sort of in-between space with everyone. Yeah. So like the, the challenge in episode number three, we get, we have to choose two of our friends. We do like a potato sack race.

Like we think we're going to have this awesome fun day. And then afterward, he goes, oh, hey, fun's over. We're going to bring out the guards. The guards cuff. We get cuffed to each other. And we go into this room that is probably seven feet square. It's all white, white lights. And we can't leave until somebody cuffs themselves.

to the wall and self-eliminates. What the fuck? Yeah. That's, I didn't see that. That's actually fucking nuts. And so, so how long were you in that room then? It was five hours.

But so, yeah. Someone quit in five hours? No. So here's, no, but like that's what I was hoping. I was like super endurance. Like, dude, I'll stay in there for five days. Like, yeah.

I can do any of that stuff. But there's a phone on the wall that said ask for anything. Yeah. And that's why, that's when I asked for a phone call with Elon Musk. Right. Like, you can you,

you can ask for anything that would help you make a decision on to eliminate yourself or do something. so why would you make a decision to eliminate yourself if i got because like um for example if if i got a call with elon musk and said hey can i take you to dinner sometime next year i want to talk you about you just said i'll take this and get out yeah i get it i get this the reason i'm in my nobody got anything in our room that where they would eliminate themselves so like we're like hey let's just play a game of chance like let's just get cards or dice and there's one girl in our room and said no i'm not playing a game i'm like okay like what do you mean you're not playing a game

I don't want to play a game. So I asked, I called, pick up the phone and said, hey, can you send a clinical psychologist in the room? And there was one. So a clinical psychologist sits down with us for probably 20 minutes to try to at least get her to play a game and she wouldn't budge. So my buddy Chris, who's a stud, former kind of...

But wait, I'm trying to figure this out. So he is, I'm just trying to like, the logistics of this, like what Jimmy just has, like these people, like maybe this is the thing we're going to have him waiting around or he flew him in like what the fuck so that person walked right in probably within 20 minutes so so there was 80 of these cubes and that you had like windows I looked at the window I saw a horse was someone on it no someone called a horse someone requested a horse and what they were they get to keep the horse no like whatever you bring in your room

you can't keep okay yes so you could ask for a Rolex or a bunch of a bunch of money, but you don't get to take it with you. Yeah. But like someone asked for a horse. People ask for puppies. People ask for fortune teller, massages, haircuts, food. It was like, dude, it was like, so this is where, like, my mind was totally messed up. Like, I was like, missing my family.

It was like the first week there. Yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing here? Like, nobody, like, the one girl wasn't willing to play a game. Like, can't you just play the game without her? Everyone had to be in on it. Well, one person has to cut himself to the wall. If nobody does, all three are eliminated.

So it's like you had to convince someone to basically eliminate themselves. Yeah, or you play a game of chance. And that's what we were trying to do. It's like, hey, let's just play an even game of chance. Like, we're not going to play a skill game. Let's just roll dice. And she was refusing to do that.

Refusing to do it. It was probably smart gameplay because she knew that Chris and I were good friends. And Chris and I were older. And we weren't like stubborn enough to kind of go, oh, screw you, we're all going to get eliminated. So at the end, Chris and I had to flip a coin to see who would get eliminated.

And I won the coin. He went to the wall, cuffed himself. And that's how I was able to move on. What the fuck? I didn't eat for like a day and a half after this. Like I was like totally, I was like, I walked out of there and I saw one of the production assistants. I'm like, she was like this in her 50s suite.

I got to know her in the last week. I'm like, hey, can I need a hug? Like I just felt like dirty and like. You felt bad because you want a coin toss? No, I just felt like, like it was not bad, but like how the fuck could she not play a game? Like, I just, felt like what is going on why am i here what am i doing like my kids probably need me it was just

one of these moments where i'm like what am i doing here but so so if what if everyone just oh so if everyone refused then everyone's out yeah and so most people played a game of chance so there are some people who are like super altruistic are like hey you know what i want you guys to go forward i'll cuff myself which is crazy uh and some people played games of skill like they played like they roll in Mario Kart and we're playing like Mario Kart That sounds amazing Yeah so like so

But your team had to have consensus to decide And like so you gotta be like if you lose this game You're throwing yourself out kind of thing Got it But there were some people who like lost the games And then refused to cuff themselves And then all three of me I mean you have to go back and watch episode three

Yeah It's like it's like diabolical You think that's the best one, the best episode? I loved eight Eight gets a little drama I get to see my family family in eight, which was cool, like a family reunion. They're all good.

But like six through 10 is where you actually get to know the characters pretty well. How soon after the show did they hit you with the wire? Was it like right before you left? No, I had to wait five months. Oh, shit. So the filming wrapped in September, but it didn't, the finale didn't air until February. Jimmy was probably gambling and get some of that money. Totally.

Yeah, because I mean, he probably was. But I feel like at that level, it's probably not even Jimmy's money. It's got to be production. Like, I don't know. So this is, like, I've watched a few of his interviews. I'm trying to like figure it out. I think from what I understand, Amazon gave Mr. Beast $100 million to produce the show. Holy shit. But I think he spent over $120 million. So he spent his own money, 20 million already in. And then, and then probably gave the other 10 at the end, too. No, but yeah. So I think he probably lost 10 or 20 million on the show. But the way he looks at business is like, Yeah, but how many more followers do I have now?

Yeah. How much bigger is Feastables? I mean, dude, he announced a couple weeks ago, Feastable's doing $200 million a year in sales. Yeah, he's crushing. After three years. Have you thought about doing any consumables or anything, or do you? Yeah, yeah. So I obviously have raw gear and I'm going to relaunch my supplement company, but yeah, nothing to that level. You're creatine?

What's that? Give creatine? Of course. Creatine is the best supplement of all time. Dude, I need to check it out. It's incredible. Like, that's like, that's one of the supplements that, like, it was so funny back, in the day it was like it was like you took creatine it's like steroids it's like what the

fuck or everybody was like oh you're going to get water weight because i i remember taking in college um but yeah like it's like the most widely tested supplement too and it's also just such a good thing for your brain like your neutropic wise it's just like a cool study did you see that found my fitness ronopatra had that creatine expert said like you can you can take 20 grams a day i saw that recently i was i want someone to like tell me is this real or not like I'll start today. I'll start today. I already take five.

I'll take 15 more. I'll let you know. Because they would always be like, oh, it's going to fuck your kidneys up. Like, oh, dude. Well, that's what they're saying. It's like, and like to get to the brain, you need to kind of like dump it all in a once.

Yeah. All in a one. I'll try it. I'll try it tomorrow. What else do you take? Like, what should I be taking at my age? If I want to stay fit. Well, how are your hormones?

Are your hormones good? Like my testosterone loves? Yeah. They're good. Yeah. I mean, if that's, if that's good that's like for for men as they age is one of the most like important things if like your testosterone starts lowering and normally that's related to diet lifestyle choices and

all kinds of stuff like if you if you're physically active like you can maintain those levels but a lot of men like i don't even think they recognize it like that doesn't matter what supplements you take if your testosterone is fucked up it's like it's a problem it messes everything up it messes everything up sleep sex drive mental acuity everything's washed is in is like n-d is that good stuff NAD is incredible. Okay. I take NAD three times a week. Infusion?

Yeah, I have like a, I get it from Trenton. I get like a, basically like a v. I don't, I don't take it IV. I do it, I am. Okay. So I'll take like an insulin needle. Okay. NAD is one of the best supplements you could be taking.

Creatine is one of the best summits you can be taking. Obviously like fish oils, omega's. If you're not getting enough of that in your diet, that's also super beneficial. Sammy's another favorite of mine. My son takes that. Yeah. that's another like really good one and a co-kut 10 is another one that I'd highly recommend especially as you aging um I love it it's like a free console yeah there's a ton

thanks man no of course but yeah like it's just you want to feel good you know and especially with Lucas like he'll live with us forever you know but barring a miracle so it's like he's also getting stronger and like there's times where his behavior like we just need to be able to help kind of restrain him too so it's like I need to stay fit yeah that's an interesting concept so it's like you have a son who eventually is going to be because it's it's not going to it's not going to i'm assuming it's going to lessen somewhat of his lifespan right uh right now we don't think so okay so you're going to have a son who's like 18 at some point but with the brain of like still a child somewhat totally yeah he like he might just fucking toss you and he's

yeah i mean you're gonna have to get jacked and he's already like he's got i don't know how He eats like a bodybuilder. He eats the same thing for breakfast, same thing for lunch, same thing for dinner, every day. But he's got like a little six pack. So like I don't know if like he takes Batain to TMG. Yeah. I don't know if that is like helping his muscles get big.

It's a great supplement too. So, but yeah, I know that as he gets older, like. And that's such a difficult life. And he just looks like a, like he's a beautiful little kid. Like you would, like you look at him, you'd go, man, you never know. But, you know, because obviously when he speaks, it's like broken or. Yeah, but if you see a picture of me,

you go, oh, man, that's a handsome little kid. Yeah. But he, that's one of the reasons why I'm trying to, like, I'm probably more fit now than I was, for sure, when I was your age. Yeah. I was like fluffy. Yeah, because you're going to have to fuck, damn.

Yeah, I got to stay strong. So, like, I'm trying to work out of the trainer. I need to figure out what supplements to take and maybe I need to get jacked like you. You should. I really should. You know some TRT, take some tests? Exactly. Fuck yeah.

Yes. I sound bad saying that But at your age it's like Whatever you know You already have kids But if your testosterone's high What does that do? If your testosterone's already high

You don't need it You know if it's already in good range You don't necessarily need it When it starts to get out of range That's when it's like You definitely should look at it Especially as older I was surprised

I mean I got it done last year And I'm like I expected it to be lower I was happy You must eat really well Take care of yourself Yeah yeah Do you take NAD Have you?

Is that something you've been doing? Infusions So IV. So you're doing more. That's expensive as fuck. Yeah. So I did it to, uh, I, I, I just rocked across the state of California. So a whole state?

Like north to south? No, no, no. We did, uh, we did, uh, God, damn. That would take too long. Well, we started in Death Valley, ended up in Ventura. That sounds fucking fun. It was sweet. Three hundred sixty-five miles.

And so we carried the weight of Lucas, me and my buddy, um, to signify to 365 days. He carries the weight of CTD. So it's like a fundraiser. It's like, before I did that. I'm like, I'm like, what do I do? And like, hey, like, you camped and stuff, obviously, right? Yeah, we had an RV, which was fun. Damn, that sounds fun, man.

Next time, especially if we do it in California. I got that sprinter right there. I saw that thing. Yeah, I need to rent. It's exactly what it's for. Dude, it was disappearing. We had so much fun. And I'd never been to Death Valley.

I'd never been to all these valleys, Kern Valley. It was beautiful. It was a ton of fun. But I did a big bolus of NAD, like three of them in like two weeks. Yeah. My feet were perfect. my recovery was awesome. I hardly stretched.

I'm not stretching. But seriously, it was one of these things where I'm like, I don't know what it is that made me feel so good at the end, but like maybe it was the NAD. Yeah,

or just maybe what you were doing it for, probably. Or like, yeah. The purpose of it. That's definitely the thing keeps you going. I think from a mindset perspective, for sure.

But my recovery was, I got back and my wife was like, you're going to be like in bed for like two days. I got back and I was like, I'm good. Have you ever been a gym bro

in your lifetime? No. damn what I mean I do like I mean I have a trainer and but it's all virtual but I have like I mean say I do sandbags and yeah dumbbells but I've never like I played college football so I did a lot of like cleans and presses then yeah which I loved but I've never gone like I got a buddy we're going for an hour and a half five days a week are you into any sort of like sports like um you know like skiing so any any like extreme sports like that all ski but no yeah I mean like since Lucas you know my kind of extra curricular social life has kind of gone away yeah but um yeah that definitely got to make it so when you

when you when you when you won the money and you went on the vacation what did you do you have someone watch your son you brought him with you oh no of course he yeah i mean he comes with us yeah yeah uh and he's uh he was taking some swim lessons so i mean he gross motor he can run skip jump you know so that's so you see him you're like oh everything's fine it's the cognitive piece communication speech piece uh fine motor skills um he's he's he's still in diapers so not potty trade yeah but he's uh i'm telling you man you would love him he's he's like the sweetest boy um a ton of fun so yeah he he had an absolute blast because we were taking swim lessons obviously he's he's wearing the kind of floaties but he like he loved the pool

yeah and you have another son yeah his older brother how old is he 12 you said no he's nine but he's like i think he's like a gym bro in training like he loves doing push-ups does he ever ask you why his younger brother is the way he is? Yeah, I mean, we've, he's a pretty wise kid. Like, I mean, but he's, yeah, he's asked, like, why is our family like this? Or like, why can I have a normal brother? Yeah. Which is hard, but I mean, these are great conversations to ask versus, like, thinking about it,

not tell anybody. Yeah. You know, but, I mean, you know, we have a good relationship with God. And it's like, hey, like, there's a real. reason for it and we got to figure out what it is. But at the same day, we live next door to my wife's sister. They have two boys that are around the same age. So my oldest son gets to have Lucas has his brother, but also he has two brothers essentially that are cousins who live next door. Yeah. So your mission is to try to like all this is to kind of figure out how to make your son's

life better, it sounds like. Yeah, I mean, and it's more than my son. I mean, it's other kids with CTD. So like the condition, you know, in a perfect world is, can we get to a world in 10 years where if you're born with it, it's no big deal. You get diagnosed, you get a treatment, whether it's gene therapy or you actually have a treatment that you can take every day or every other day. That's the ultimate goal. Lucas looks at me, he's like, dude, dad, I'm okay. Yeah. I'm happy. So it'd be great to help his life, but it's also like, can Lucas and I leave a legacy where we eradicate this disease. Is there, do they, do they know what causes it?

So it's usually X-length. X-link means the moms for the carrier. There's just a ton of genetic diseases. Yeah. Not to scare you away from having kids. No, no, no. We did all the genetic testing. My wife and I did.

None of this came up because she's not a carrier. So spontaneous mutation in utero. So while he was in, my wife's belly, somehow spontaneously the gene got what they call they got misspelled yeah and just made it defective so crazy it is i mean but it makes you realize how like things have to go perfect yeah to like create a life it's like have you ever been in late labor childbirth uh i i wish i never was but yes i was i uh saw my mom give birth to my half sister and that was the most traumatic experience in my life how old were

you i think i was like around 12 yes that was the worst thing ever i was like i wish i never did that because i'll tell you the story basically she was like you know how like they're giving birth and they have these like big i don't know these tall i don't call them tarps so they were like some medical curtains yeah yeah and you know my mom is like this and i was that before i was completely traumatized i was at her side holding her hand and then something in me was like i want to see what that looks like. And I wish I never did that. Because I looked around the corner and I was like, oh, this is the, this is, it was just the most

disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. It's just like, fucking, especially your mom. Yeah. I wish I never did that. My first, I didn't look. You know, I kind of like, you know, all these, all my friends, hey, don't look. It's going to change everything. Second one I looked, it didn't change it.

It was awesome. But I literally thought my wife's vagina was turning inside out. I'm like, I'm like, what, like, what is that? And like, that's your son's head. It's coming. I'm like, what? Like, what am I looking at? Yeah.

Childbirth was the most, it was awesome. Like, like, like, I thought I was me sitting there, like, texting my family updates. I was in there. I was massaging. I was like getting in there. It was, it's pretty cool. It's probably different when it's your girl. Of course.

I do not want to see. Now I am picturing my mom. I do not want to see my mom. mom get birth. Yeah. That was not it for me, man. That was a fucking traumatic experience. I have like a, it's like seared into my memory. I wish I could get it out. You need to go to ayahuasca or something. I've done it. I was going to again. I was going to ask you. Have you ever done anything like that? No. I've looked into doing like kind of like a guided psilocybin. Like I don't want to do anything and like go to like Coachella. Yeah. I'd rather. Ironically I'm going to

Coachella tomorrow. Oh, you are. Oh sweet. And I'm for sure going to take pleasure. But, but the first time I do it, like, I want to, like, be on a couch with a guy who's, like, helping me process something. Right. Right. Well, there's, there's a real, I've done, I've done it every way you can think of. But any time I did in a way where I put, like, real intention into why I was doing it, how I was doing it, completely different experience. Like, absolutely, I recommend, like, because I've done microdosing a lot, which is not like you're taking, you're not like tripping and, you know, kind of out of your mind a little bit. And even, even ayahuasca. But every time I did it in a, you know, a more meaningful way and there's more guidance and there's more like

intention into what you're doing. You get so much more out of it. Well, and I think it's just at least for someone who's never done it, a good way, a good training wheels versus like I'm out in the middle of nowhere like freaking out. Yeah. Well, yes, I would say the stepping stone to sort of the DMT, ayahuasca thing is. So you've done DMT? Well, ayahuasca. Okay. Which is a version. It's a version. Like that's the same, the same sort of chemical in a different kind of like input way. Did you do that? I watched my friend smoke DMT once and then I was like, not doing that.

That's the one where like you look like, you feel like you're going on a rocket ship, right? Well, I've never done that. I've never smoked DMT. I watched my friend smoke DMT out of a crack pipe and the second I saw him come back after like 15 minutes because he smoked it and he like handed it off to me and he went like this and his eyes were doing this 15 minutes go by

and I was like, what was it like? And he was like, how long was it? And I was like, 15 minutes. And he was like, it could have been a whole. life. And I was like, I am not doing that, bro. He literally was like, he, because I was going to go next. Because I was like, you go first. He came back and I was like, nah. No, dude. Because 15 minutes and his perception was like, I, he had, it could have been forever. He said, I don't want to do that. What was so, but with ayahuasca, like, do you do with a shaman or is it like?

I did it with a shaman. Okay. Yeah. 100%. I recommend it that in that fashion. And not like some weird L.A. You got to like find someone who's like actually from, you know, know one of these jungles yeah Costa rica Colombia where they actually do the ceremony because this is the thing that people have done for thousands and thousands of years ceremonially like it's a whole deep into that like indigenous culture and they really do that and that's the way i i decided to do it and did you get what you wanted out of it it's a good question um yes i feel like there's more to sort of unpack um i think the first time i did it I had so much fear of doing it that like I kind of was just dealing with that fear of doing it and just having done it.

And like most of my experience was like my anxiety related to the fear of doing it. Yeah. Am I going to shit myself? Am I going to throw up? Am I not going to come out? No, it was like, what if it changes me forever and I'm never. And because I remember there's a moment where I was in it and I was like, this is it. This is my life now.

I'm never going to be the same again. They're going to tell stories about there's that influencer guy. Yeah, he fucking, he took ayahuasca. He lost his shit. He's gone. He donated all of his, all of his, uh,

yeah, or just I was, I was never going to come back. I just like, like, like, like, but you,

you hear that now where like a lot of these like, CEOs of tech companies are like, they do some type of trip and they kind of go, no, I'm done. Yeah. Which is weird because like, I mean,

like, I like, I like my life, but I also would like to explore other areas. Yeah. I was just looking to sort of get clarity and just spaces of my life that I had a hard time with, just like interpersonal relationship. relationships and like love life and be you know in relationships to losing my father and

I was just trying to get clarity with like that being okay with death and that's so I could answer that I get what I want out of it it it took more time afterwards it's not like you just get it and you get out and you're like oh my life's perfect now it's like it has this kind of weird sort of residual effect yes where over time you start to go oh and then you'll notice things in your life or you know ways that you interact with you're like you're way quicker to be like wait that's not healthy what am i doing yeah so that was the biggest thing that i got out of it and then also too the moment where i remember being in it in this i had this weird realization of like being alive or being dead because i had so much fear of like life and death that i had this weird

like it's okay either way and i had never had that feeling in my life it was never okay either way i was always like that's the most terrifying thing in the world and i'm so afraid of it which is was death. But I got to this point in the trip where I was like, it almost felt like it's the same. It sounds like a weird thing to say, but it felt like life and death were the same. Obviously, we know it's not the same exact thing. But it felt like it made me almost like certain that there's just this cycle that it's okay. And it allows you to live your life probably different too. For sure. Yeah. Did you go down there with friends? Like were you or was it like on your own or like? Yeah, I did a, I did a private ceremony. Okay. Yeah, with friends here.

I had him fly out and do it here. Well, that's kind of good because it would freak me out to like, by myself, I don't know anybody. Yeah. Okay. You should definitely try it. I need to explore. I think you'd love it. But maybe do the, maybe do the psilocybin first.

It's a little bit of a step-up. Yeah, exactly. But it's fucking, it's amazing, man. I loved it. That's what I've heard. I mean, I've heard, especially people going with kind of these good intentions. You might see some shit you don't want to, but. Yeah.

It's, I don't know. I feel like you're supposed to, whatever it is, you are supposed to say. because that's the real thing of it that is so significant is whatever the thing is that you're like most resistant to that you probably know in your heart that you shouldn't be or you should allow it like slams it right in front of your face which is like you you need that yeah because we're humans are just masters at avoiding avoiding everything avoiding the problem avoiding the issue and this this medicine makes it just like you can't you can't even look around it yeah and that's like it's scary because that's the truth but

that's the truth that you have to go towards. Yeah, yeah. So that's cool. I loved it, man. Fully recommended. I mean, again, it's not just don't randomly take this with some random friend, but I'm doing a way that's, that's ceremonial for sure.

So you mentioned you flew friends down there, like, you do a lot of them. I mean, obviously now you have a great platform. I'm sure you do really well. Like, do you go on trips with friends around the world? No, man, no. I work so damn much. That's one of my problems is like separating from the work.

But do you, so, but you love what you do. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely love what I do. A hundred percent. And so do you take vacations? No. Oh my gosh.

No. I just like continue to work. I'll take little breaks. Yeah. So I got the van. Like I'll disappear for a few days and just like sit in the desert somewhere by myself. Well, this is what's cool about California. I mean, there's some really cool.

Yeah. I mean, there's enough to bitch about about California. But like there's some amazing places. Yeah. If you drive up the 395, you were kind of talking about it earlier like places where you, when you hike. cross death valley um you drive at 395 there's so many places that are just fucking beautiful that you wouldn't even think of like on the on the eastern side of the sierra

it's just like a different world over there like some of the like it's funny because i i remember driving through um i forgot what it was and i then i got on tic-tok and i saw this tic-tok of like where i was and i had passed it and i was like all the way back home and i saw this like it's like this beautiful lake and like mountain and I was like fuck I was like five minutes from there I was there and it was just over there I just didn't go in that direction it's fucking crazy California is amazing obviously that's the one thing it's amazing for and for everything else is kind of fucking yeah and I think but I think the good news like I feel like we've kind of hit rock bottom yeah don't you think like it's got to go up from here you hope so yeah I mean I think there's

there's good people it's beautiful but yeah hopefully we get a little better yeah i don't i just it's i don't know man we'll see it's a political atmosphere of like weird shit that you know i think it'll get better i hope so me too it has everything man which you live in california your whole life yeah san francisco yeah school in san francisco i told you know my home home is in pacifica so that's like i spent a lot of time in san mateo yeah i mean we're we are neighbors totally neighbor yeah that area is beautiful man but it's it's i just i guess when i go back there I do appreciate it a lot more now. San Mateo is great.

San Mateo, you get all walks of light. You get blue collar. You get people who are obviously making a ton of money. Yeah. For me, I'm a Midwest guy. Yeah. San Mateo feels like... Would you ever move back?

I'd be like your 10 million ago way farther. Oh, my, I'd go so much further. Why do you not... Why do you not? We have a good... Like, with Lucas and his kind of support system. Yeah, you told me that the next door. Next door.

Yeah. We have a great kind of caretaker who helps out with Lucas, too. He was like one of his best friends. So just got a good little support system. It's like, yeah, I could have saved money on taxes. I could do this. But it's like then again, we're, you know, I love Ohio, but like we're living in Ohio. Yeah.

So like it's just maybe someday. Yeah. My dream would be to cohabitate, like to live there three months out of the year. What's your plan? I guess it's to raise awareness. But do you have any idea? do you have what you want to do in the social media space now besides this podcast um i mean i like rucking across california was a ton of fun like i like the kind of endurance kind of challenges

yeah so you know i'll probably do it to be david goggins or what no i can't i'm i'm not that hard yeah but just like doing kind of a couple fundraisers a year that are like endurance or challenge base would be fun um it just kind of like uh doing like family content you know i think um even inspiring people to be a dad and to like to be a good dad is like man I'm just I've done a lot of cool things my life but being a dad is by far the coolest and even a dad to a rare disease special needs kid it's hard but it's like so fulfilling yeah what's beautiful man you have any other good questions for me yeah you had some good questions oh dude I'll ask you a ton go ahead try um so um you know when when you have how many total followers do you have I don't across platforms 15 or 20 million or something like that yeah so yeah so it is really hard that like if you got set up on a blind date or you found someone online like they're going to know who you are yeah how do you meet someone and have them like you for you i don't know if you could do that anymore because even if i did let's say for example i was dating right and how quickly in a conversation do

people go oh what do you do and i go oh i film youtube videos yeah they're they're already going to know my name at that point yeah you can't block them and then at some point it's like you just go on google and then so like how quickly are you able to kind of discern like oh she doesn't like me she likes status or money or that's i don't know that's that's i think that's where it it becomes difficult because then it's i don't know because like if i were in your shoes it'd be like a mind fuck yeah like do they like me or what do they like is it they trying to get to someone else. Yeah, that's been the harder thing as far as dating later on, like throughout this whole experience of social media is that, yeah, like, I'm not the most popular person

in the entire world, right? I'm not like everywhere in the world. But if the minute you kind of explain your circumstance to someone, it's really easy to figure out, oh, this person has a, you know, they have a platform and they have this and they have, they're going to assume other things come with that like money or whatever. And then you got on my algorithm a couple years ago and I have no clue how. So it's like it's, fuck yes. Yeah. So, but it's, my point is, Like, I will, I'm not a gym bro. Obviously, fitness is important to me, but like, you showed up. I'm like, oh, who's this guy?

I'm doing it, making it a fucking content, hell, yeah. Exactly. So, yeah, I, um, what's your ideal kind of girl look like, sound like? One that likes to stay home and make sandwiches. No, man, I, I, you know, I want someone that is passionate about something, something. They don't need to be fucking making all this money. just someone who cares about something, then they're working on something in their own life.

I think that's the most important thing in a partner. Are you able to find that? I mean, have you? Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's, that's, that's the harder part is, you know, anyone can, you could find hot people, this and that. But like, does someone actually care about something outside of just themselves? Yeah.

You know, because then that gives them a purpose that is outside of, you know, their partner, me in that case, or you and whatever, your case, where it's like you want someone that is not just dependent on you, fully. Not that like I wouldn't want to support who I'm over with, but it's so you want them to have something that they care about. And they want to have a life outside of you. Because one of the cool things about a relationship and a marriage is like you're each, you're a witness to each other's journey. Yeah. And you guys, at least from my wife and I, like you slowly kind of take on traits of the other and that's a way to love them. Like my wife's become more spontaneous because

I'm adventurous and spontaneous. I become kind of more responsible because that's a value to her. So it's like, but it's just fine as someone that at least you have shared values with and like, they want to your point, like want to go after something, whether it's saving the environment or like wanting to be the fucking. Yeah, anything. Just something outside of themselves is not just about, you know. So how do you make girls? It's always been funny for me because I think because I'm so entrenched in work that it's like

it normally just happens through like, oh, happens to dance of like, oh, there's a person here. Like a guest might have a friend. Oh, you need to meet Natalie. Yeah, anything like that. Because, like, my, and truthfully, too, even beyond that, my whole life, I own a gym here in Encino, and I've owned a gym for, like, the last nine years. So my whole life has been involved in the gym. Like, even all my friendships have come from the gym. So it's like I mostly meet people from the gym.

But sometimes you could fall in that circumstance. Like, if you're talking about women where it's like, it's not always, um, sometimes there people are just more vain, right? It's how you look. So you might find yourself in situations with people that are just like more caring about how they look than real sort of. And so how often do you, you at the gym often? Yeah, yeah, normally. Every day? The last couple, I'm not going to lie, last couple months, I've been fucking terrible.

I just been, I don't know, I go in there and I'm like, fuck, what am I doing? Oh, man. It's weird, it's weird, because I've, the gyms in my life, my entire life since I was 15. But is it, like, when you walk in, like, are people, like, is it like a cool gym where people like, hey, nobody's looking at each other, they're just there to work? Or, like, are people like, oh, there's Bradley? It's a mix of both. Okay. Because it's my gym.

So, like, I'll have people who will show up and be like, I want to take a picture. And that's not. That's fine. But, yeah, sometimes it's like, because I own the gym, there's that I show up to work out. But then I'm like, I'm in boss mode. Like, why is this like that? Why is the bathroom not? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I've got to fix that again. And then you're like, you're trying to work out. But then someone else is coming up. Oh, by the way, we got to fix this. I'm like, oh, fuck. So sometimes, like, I do, I hate to say that. Sometimes I'll get better workouts when I don't go there because I've knocked. getting distracted by the work side of the business, you know.

That's cool. So, but it's like, it's good. I mean, my whole life, I think everything I've ever gotten that's great has been some version from the gym. And you've helped build kind of people's, build people up through your gym too, right? Of course. Other, other influencers. Yeah.

Yeah. Other people's whole careers. Like who is like one, like you're kind of most proud of or you're happy for them? Probably, probably Sarah Safari. Yeah. She's a good friend of one. We have a podcast together. She's loyal.

She's a good person. Is she still work out your gym? Yeah. She's hysterical. Yeah. Yeah. Where have you seen her at? On your content.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your content, I think it was like probably four or five years ago for, I don't know, like it all mixes up with COVID. I don't, I can't tell time.

Yeah. COVID, fuck. COVID is something that really made me feel like, damn, where'd the fucking time go? It, it's, because it lasted four years, three years, whatever, the pan, especially in California. I was like, but like, but like, 2019 six years ago yeah it seems like

two years ago to me yeah it really fucked my perception of time up I don't know because people say that to me before and then I was like what are you talking about and now I look back at it I'm like oh that's why I felt like I was like I was fucking like I don't even know like

fucking 30 next you know I'm 35 I was like what the fuck's going on now you're like pretty much an old man yeah and I'm fucking super unk fuck that's what they call me on the internet they call me unk sucks they probably call you grandpa Because you got gray hair But that's one of the things

Like at Beast games Like there was I was obviously One of the older people Yeah But I was like I became friends with these Like 20 year olds Did they call you unk? No

They should have But like Then I realized I'm like Oh I could be your dad Like I literally could be your dad If I had kids right out of college That's why you beat them at that fucking game I think it's not a fucking sundum

Well yeah Well I think it was A little bit of wisdom Maybe you were flying under the radar are, and they're like, wait, what the fuck? Yeah, they're like, oh, I can't take out this old man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit probably, I wonder.

I think it helped. I don't think it hurt me. You know, Ian, like, I made, I like getting to know people. I like being interested in others. Like, I made some good friends. Like, I didn't make any enemies. That certainly helped. Yeah.

Do you think they would let you do the second show? I don't know. I kind of contemplated applying. Yeah. I go, oh, you got to take my belt. Well, I think they would because it's so cool. Because it kind of reminds me of the whole Squid Games thing. You know how that guy came back?

Oh, yeah, yeah. They should let you come back. I know, but I'm sick. But part of me is like, I kind of want to retire on top, like the lowest, you like me, competitive. Yeah, so they don't want to lose. Boy, I don't want to go in there. Like, oh, you lost because, like, you build a tower and it fell down. Like, what? Yeah.

So it's, I've thought about it, but right now I haven't decided to do it. Are you going to do it? I think you've convinced me to want to do it. I'm telling you, I think you have to. Yeah. I think it'll be great for you, but also, like, I think you'll have a ton of fun. I mean, you're competitive. I can feel it.

Yeah. You're also, like, a business owner, and you run a bunch of different companies. Like, you can see things that other people can't. Like, you can peek around the corner to know what's coming. Yeah. Like, I think I'm going to do it. Yes. I'll donate.

I'll donate some of the money to your thing once you happen sorted to. That'd be sweet. Yeah, I'll do that. Oh, I'd love that. Yeah, hell yeah. What else? So you're just in L.A. for this, or are you doing other shows or what? I was on CBS right before here, K-Cal.

CBS? Yeah. Shit, mainstream media? Did it? Did they tell you what to say? No, it was great. No, it was one of the sports reporters for a sports podcast. Okay, cool.

And then earlier was Access Hollywood. Nice. So kind of a full media tour. Full day. Do you like L.A.? It's grown. on me i used to come here for work for like uh like 10 years ago and i yeah i didn't like it um probably because i just like bought into people in the bay going oh la sucks and then like

there's that rivalry oh yeah it's weird but then i'm like oh i like la like it's got good food it's got like just every neighborhood is different yeah um traffic sucks but other than that it's yeah there's good people you know you know my my least everything in the entire world is traffic dead serious you need to get a helicopter or something oh oh oh oh it's How much, how much more do you have to make to get a helicopter? I mean, I could get an helicopter. I just also, it's a little scary. Yeah, you know, you've seen one of the greats go down on the helicopter,

and I'm like, I don't know if I want to do that. Yeah. Because if they could take him, they could take me tomorrow with that shit. You ever skydive? No, I'm so afraid of that. Would you do it? I would. Me and my mom talked about doing it.

I'm afraid of that. I'm so afraid of heights. I, um, yeah, you're going to love these games. What, they got heights in that? I'm sure they will. Now that they heard you, they're going to change a challenge. I love heights.

They're the best. I've never skydive, but I'd love to. I'll try it. I think I'll have to try it before I die. Well, especially if your mom wants to do it. That's like a cool thing to do together. Yeah.

I think the reason why I always stayed away from skydiving is because I'd find out that it was like, you have to be a certain weight, and I was always over the weight limit. And so it's like sketchy. How tall are you? What are you weigh? What is 630?

It's 260. So they are like the weight limits weirdly close to that you have to get like a midget on your sorry small person on your back did you ever um grapple with mitreys johnson no no i never did it i never did it just reminded me that's so it's funny i love the i love the internet lore viral clips but like where you go like you were going to

i don't even know if that was going to ever happen or not like it was just saying it on a fucking podcast because he is like well he is the goat at fucking grappling and i'm a huge ufc fan yeah and so like and obviously like muscle and strength um what would happen is this i would be good for a minute that i would be fucking gas and there's also so many submissions like he just has to get a limb well yeah and he's one of the best at that ever he is the best yeah he did this one kind of flying arm bar like where he jumped and grabbed the arm like how yeah he gets a fucking ninja do you do

any martial arts i train yeah but it's like i'd have to do it my whole life to be able to yeah you compete at that level with someone like that i just think for me the hardest part in that is just obviously i don't know enough technique to know where to go next in a lot of cases with someone like that who knows all the technique to know 10 steps ahead of you um and then the cardio i would just be because if i just try to use brute force it's like i'm gassed yeah you got and then you got yeah and then he's like gotcha what um you still play video games oh yeah what you play playing marvel rivals okay yeah marvel rivals call duty uh marvels probably the best came out right now, though.

Call Do they still... Never even heard of it. Yeah, it's a... You've heard of Overwatch? Yeah. It's just like that, but with superheroes. What platform? It's on all platforms.

Okay. But it's like, Call Duty is great, but they just still don't fix the cheating. You know, I'm convinced. I have a conspiracy... Yeah, Call of Duty. And I have a conspiracy for Call of Dude,

because that game is one of the most... It's one of the most popular games. It has the most money, like tons of money. And since the game has been out, they still have not fixed cheating. I'm convinced. This is a little conspiracy there.

I love this. That the developers who develop Call of Duty also develop and sell the cheats and that's why they're not fixing the cheats. That's why they're not keeping the cheats out of the game. So you think it's... Because it's a massive industry. And it's like a black market?

100%. So you think the devs on the side or it's like, hey, we know you're going to do this. Like whoever... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how deep it is, but I think it's like whoever is... No, I think it's the game itself because they...

It is. How else do you get these leaks? Like, it has to. It's just, there every other, there's so many other games that fix cheats except this fucking game. It's like they just don't give a fucking. People have been complaining about it for 10 years. They just don't give a shit. What's, tell me another conspiracy theory you have.

About in life? Yeah. Oh, my God. Maybe a new one. I mean, the deepest one is like the black pill of just our government just fucking hates us. And it doesn't matter who's, who's what, who's the president. It's the same thing forever. I don't think that's a conspiracy.

It's just the truth, right? I mean, like, I mean, I... It's sad, dude. But I think the last 10 years... I just think it's the same body, two different hands. This one looks better. This one looks shinier. But it's the same mind doing the same thing

at the end, the way I equate it to is like the NFL. Like, if you're an NFL owner, like if you're the owner of a team and they go Owen 16 or Owen 17, guess what? They're still making $30 million a year. Obviously, they want to win the Super Bowl, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. They're still making money. So, like, yeah, I, it's, I think, I think the government's been really unique the last 40, 50 years.

Yeah. It's, but at least now people get it. Yeah, a lot more people are trying to talk about it. It's just like, man, how do you, how do you, how do you surmount something so insurmountable? It's just like, it's so developed. It's so deep. It's, there's so many webs going in so many different directions that are just like, I mean, even now you talk, you see this, the doge. And they're like, all this fraud.

And it's like, they're cutting all these things. all these costs for fraud and money was just given to random people and there's money where they don't even know where it's going and they can't even track it and it's like why though why and then how are we not arresting all these people that there's been fucking robbing us forever yeah and I but I it's like I think part of it is like do you how do you administer justice and like if you administer justice the public has to accept it it's not like a we're going to arrest these people but the public is not ready to kind of go oh my gosh this is real then you have rebellions and so like I think to try to

fix it, you have to be super delicate. Yeah, I just watched this, I was watching this movie last night called 20073 or something like that. And it's like, it just, it's like all the world just goes to shit and there's like drones are just like, like, it's almost looks like where we're going. It's kind of, I mean, I, I'm, I love, not, I don't love AI, but like, I think AI is going to be net positive. I hope so. I think, I don't think it'll be all good, but I think it'll be mostly good. I think for some time it will. I think full self-driving. I think, but like, like, but you think like, but you think of like neuraling, full self-driving, AI, like the next five years, like whenever you have kids, when your kids are 18, this world is going to be so different.

Yeah, I hope it's good though. Would you? Yeah, I do too. I hope it's not like, bro, because, okay, if we just talked about how the government is so terrible, right, in so many ways of control and it's almost like the scene, taking tax money and putting it here, it's like, why is it going there? But it's still going there. It's like all these different things, right?

Well, who's going to control the AI? It's the same group of people who have all the money. And it's like, it doesn't that just further the speed of which they're able to do the same thing they've been doing at now an even crazier degree? I know. So it's like, is it going to be better? And like, it's like face value in a lot of ways. I think it'll be better. But like at the end of the day, it's like whoever's in control of it.

And yeah, I mean, like. And I'm not talking about for the record. I'm not talking about just like the United States government. I'm talking about all government and all superpowers. It's all acting. It's sort of as one. Well, it takes a special person to have power and not use it kind of maliciously. Like, you have to restrict.

You have to go, okay, I could easily give money to my friends. I could easily oppress people who've screwed me over in the past. You have to, like, restrict that. Okay, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to try to do it for the betterment of society. And I think it takes a really special person to do it. Yeah. I just don't know if that's possible.

I don't know if that's possible. No, yeah. I mean, the optimist me crosses my fingers. But if not. I hope so. I do hope so. It could get ugly. Yeah.

I think that's where it's going. I give it 20 years. It's a shit show. I think it's going to be a shit show in 20 years. Maybe that's why we got to go to Mars. Yeah. There's no chance you would go to Mars. Oh, I'd love to go to Mars.

Okay, so you're scared of heights, but you'd go to rocket ship to Mars. Yeah, because I'm not, my fear of heights is like when you go like this over a building. Oh, yeah. I just want to go to the window. I mean, as long as long as I'm not. I'm in the rocket. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? No, I haven't. I need to go there. I can't do the look over. I'm like, nah. But I can do a look over. My feet go, they tingle. It's literally, it literally, oh, it's the weirdest feeling in the world.

No, I must have had some ancestors that just fell off a cliff and died or something. Straight up, I'm convinced that I was in another life, I was pushed off a cliff or something. But you'll go to Mars, which is awesome. Yeah, because, you know, because like you're in a ship, I don't got to go to the window. Yeah, and it's tested. And like, if it doesn't work, like, it's probably going to be quick. Yeah. yeah i mean how that's a sick way to go out too if you died like in a rocket ship it's like yeah like if it's better than just getting hit in a car accidents you know riped anyone in a car accident but it's weird for me to think of that we actually in our lifetime will have people on

mars yeah i don't even know like how far away it is like i don't know like what the living like obviously it's not oxygen like i don't know enough about it but like the thing that we could live on another planet is crazy to me yeah i feel like it's i don't know man the AI and the robot shit just trips me out that that blend of human and machine yeah i think it's happening yeah because like it sounds like for your son almost like imagine if there was a scenario where you know for example the neuralink thing just i know fix them it's weird it feels like that's not that far off i i think about that a lot like what would it be like if he's like just normal like hey dad oh what's for dinner dude i honestly think like that that that shit could

be that could happen in your like for real in your lifetime i agree and like so this is like what my wife and i were like hey like there's not much we can do for his brain right now but we can work on his heart like we can like give him a ton of love we can make sure he's laughing and smiling so like my thing is like can i nurture his heart so one day when we do get creatine to the brain or like a miracle like that happens he's like just plug it in and signal the gene properly he's a good kid with a good foundation in his soul and his heart that his brain now works It would be sweet. It'd be just, you know, like 10 years behind, but it doesn't mean if it is, we'll have to

go to Death Valley and your sprinter with him. Yes, take some ayahuasca. Yes. Fuck yeah. That'd be awesome. That'd be sweet. They just imagine. Dude, that'd be, yeah.

It's possible, dude. But that's the crazy thing about any of these cures or treatments. Like the wisdom for these treatments is here. It is. You just have to uncover it. And that's why like ayahuasca or like people probably do it and kind of go, oh my gosh. this is the answer to X, Y, and Z. Yeah.

Like that stuff drives me crazy. It's like weird to think that everything has always been here. Yeah. Really fucking strange, man. Oh, bro, it's been a pleasure to talk to you. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's been a pleasure to meet you. I'm looking forward to winning the strong and smart beast games

so I can donate to your charity for your son. That'd be awesome. And I'll be behind you. I'll put the belt on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dana White style. how sweet would that be oh i love it it's beautiful man i i'm i'm uh it's cool talking you i'm glad that you're doing this and it seems like for all the right reasons you know cool we were joking

earlier that we were convinced you were a plant but now we're now i've seen that online a couple times i'd love that was your first go i'm like a plant like what do you mean yeah i'm always curious i would have been able to i i honestly convinced you're not a plant now yeah but like i would have like you think like like jimmy like from mr beast team yeah like did you know like you know how people do fake-ass giveaways. And I'm not saying Mr. Bees is that guy. But I'm like, what if they were like, yo, this is like an executive guy. But it is. But like on paper, it's like a rare disease dad who gets laid off from his job to win $10 million to help fund his son. On paper, it's like literally I talked to one of the producers from Amazon. He goes,

we couldn't have scripted something better. Yeah, well, kind of. I mean, that could have been the script. No, no, but meaning like, how do you like, but like, how do you like, I? Obviously, you'll do beast games, too, and you'll see, like, how much chance there is in it. Like, like, it's a, it's not just one of the thousand I won. It's like one and some statistician watching can tell us, but, like, it's absurd. Yeah, I actually wonder what that is. Yeah, so for me, like, I think it was more divine than anything. It was kind of like, hey, all right, it's your time.

Go do some good with this. It sounds like it. Go help your son. It's a blessing. But it's, on paper, it was like, perfect. Yeah, that's why I joke. The plant joke's funny because it's like, this is too good to be true. Trust me.

I pinch myself. It's awesome. I'm proud of you, man. Congratulations. I appreciate it. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, cool.