RAWTALK - Dana Linn Bailey on taking PED’s, The Dark Side Of The Fitness Industry & Conspiracy Theories

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

0:00 intro 2:15 Dana was one of the first woman fitness influencers 3:30 Having one of the first clothing lines in fitness 6:25 Women in the fitness industry 8:05 All fitness companies copy other companies 8:30 The inspiration behind creating a brand 11:00 What it takes to create a successful brand 13:00 What it’s like being an OG in the industry 15:25 Gym Tours 15:40 What it's like winning the Olympia 18:22 Stealing ideas 21:00Brads biggest regret 22:00 Dana's gym closure 25:14 Dana's horrible untold business situation 27:34 Money makes people different 30:51 Brad has stayed the same since day 1 32:18 The fitness industry creates trust issues 33:10 Brad hated competing because of this 38:34 You don't need to compete to be apart of the fitness industry 40:32 Why you should NOT compete 42:08 Only (f) talk 47:11 Providing value vs attention 49:27 Social media is a cycle of chasing likes 50:55 How to combat the chase for only likes and attention 55:29 Is dana on PED’s? 1:03:01 Are PED's more common now because of social media? 1:04:02 Greg Doucette 1:07:37 Dana would never live in LA 1:08:05 Liver king 1:09:25 Dana bets $100k to get tested for PED's 1:10:19 The biggest struggle to be successful in fitness 1:15:04 Why do guys pay for women? 1:16:01 Having kids? 1:20:25 What does dana enjoy the most? 1:24:22 Gun laws/talk 1:25:42 Brads encounter with wild animals 1:26:55 Realizing our problems aren't that important 1:30:16 Having a phone causes a ton of stress 1:31:05 Neurolink story 1:33:20 What would happen if our technology got wiped out? 1:34:20 Hollywood conspiracies 1:37:17 When will the world end? 1:38:03 Are all conspiracy stories true 1:40:36 Flat earth 1:41:49 Did we actually go to the moon 1:43:33 Was the P-demic a test? 1:50:20 Zombies 1:55:18 Hawaii conspiracy

Wait, wait, hold on. This is, is it going? This is how we're going to start the podcast. Wait, hold on. This is just a funny fact. Wait, hold on. Before we get into this, Dayland, baby. Thank you.

We're going to, like, it's the first time catching up in a long time. I haven't seen you many years. I know. We go back. Yeah. This is why it came up because, I mean, we were at your gym. And we went to the sushi restaurant, like, right across. Yeah.

And he ordered the crispy rice. And I was like, Fun fact, Brandon, crispy rice reminds me of Bradley Martin. When we went to your gym, Rob and I came out here. We went to your original first zoo culture. Oh, no, no, this is before. No, this was before zoo culture. It didn't even exist.

This is when you were talking about it. That's more than eight years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So more than eight years ago. So we've known each other for a decade. Oh, yeah. decade so going back to why you remind me of crispy rice okay we came out and trained with you at

some gym and uh you took us out to eat at like I guess this I what I remember the place it felt like we were in the back corner it was very dark but you got crispy rice and I've never had it and you're like oh you have to get it it's the best and you ordered a bunch of crispy rice and and now when I eat crispy rice I think of you wow that's and yeah That's amazing. You took us out to this nice little hole in the wall, sushi plate. And I still to this day. You just were raving about the crispy rice, and I just never had it.

I never. Wow, I wonder where it was. I'm trying to think, was it in the valley? It must have been in the valley. I don't know. I wonder what do we train? We probably train like chest and shoulders. Oh, yeah.

Oh, for sure we did. So, man, you, you're one of the very first, I guess women, really that popped off on social media yeah well ever because i'm old as shit yeah we're both old now i'm older than you yeah how old are you 40 we too rob and i turned 40 this year yeah what does that like because i'm i'm getting there i'm afraid i thought it was going to be way worse it's like the the number like our birthdays are both it were just three days apart my birthday's may 30th his is the 27th and he was fine with it like he's actually been saying he's been 40 for the last three years so then so then a year ago I started saying I was four like when I was 39 I'm like oh

I'm 40 I'm 40 so when I turn 40 it won't be so bad and I think it's just the number is scary but do you remember like growing up like as you were a kid and you looked at like your parents that were like you know 35 or 40 like oh my god life is over like you're old and you can't do anything. I'm literally in the best shape of my life. And like I just like my 30s were fantastic. Done a lot of really cool shit. I've accomplished a lot of really cool shit. But like now that I'm like 40, now I'm like really enjoying everything that I worked for in my 30s. Like 40's awesome. Yeah. You know it's really cool too. You were also one, you and you and Rob were also some of the very first people in this industry to have a clothing line.

Yeah. Like there, it didn't exist. Yeah. It literally, there was House of Pain. Do you remember House of Pain? Do they still exist? I don't know. But I remember the big oversized.

I don't know. The House of Pain and it had the, just said House of Pain in really bad lettering. What year did you guys start that? I want to say like, I think 2010, maybe nine. Because I started in 2015, selling like merch in a sense, like selling stuff that I liked. Well, the great thing with Rob is he just, I mean, we actually had a clothing line before that.

It was called Broken Text. We used to just do, we'd go to car meets, car allow a car show and sell like shirts. And then we got into, like, we've always been into cars and we got into this group called Speed Freaks. It was just a bunch of friends of ours that like did like drift events and car races. so we'd print Speed Freak shirts. We started, yeah, our clothing line long time ago. Broken text, I don't even know where that came from, but the domain name actually went up

and we didn't have money to someone, I guess, bought it. And Rob like emailed them and we like, hey man, like, can I have my name back? And the guy wanted like $200 and we're like, oh, shit. we'll start a new brand or what we start a new brand um yeah but flag or fail kind of happened when like we're just everything yeah it felt like it did you guys start it kind of before social media i mean i mean it's like right at the beginning printing shirts when did we leave so we got married in 2007 and honestly because social media e-com i would say didn't really start to like 2011 2000 like in the 2010.

Yeah. Because that's, 2010. Or it started, like, right as, I mean, as soon as YouTube, like, became a thing, we immediately did it. Same with, like, Instagram and, like, it was just whatever new thing was coming out. And Rob was, is really good with that. Like, he knew, he's like, there's this Instagram thing.

We need to do it. Like, same with, like, YouTube. And he's never had any background in filming or even photography. It's all, like, self-taught. And he's just very creative and really good at everything. So as soon as YouTube started, we're like, well, let's do that. Like I was getting into fitness and competing and saw that other people, well, I thought they were making a living, but they were definitely not everyone had a job.

Yeah. You're talking about in the fitness industry. Yeah, in the fitness industry. I thought, okay, like I want to be on the covers of magazines. I want to be like supplement sponsors. Oh, my God. No. Well, still to this day, the,

the competition industry you're not making money well especially as a female like do you know what I won for being number one in the world how much 10,000 yeah I basically paid for our flights to get and hotel room I was like oh awesome thanks yeah like little bonus points really but I mean it's more now it was the first year and uh but still as a female like no that's not like everyone in the sport still has like a nine to five job that they have to do to support their passion even today really I mean unless you monetize outside of like using kind of like it's your image and that's something I really liked about you like before I even I ever met you you and Rob had figured out that like it was going to be up to to you guys to actually make a living yeah yeah not in whatever industry you're

doing the thing in because like I think a lot of people I mean I know for sure in the fitness industry people think like not that competing is a terrible idea because obviously it works really well for a lot of people to get their name out there but it's uh and that's what i tell people it's a platform yeah it's not it's not where unless you're top three men's open you're not gonna make many money even even at that level top three men's open to the extent to these guys have to do things and take drugs and all the shit it's like the amount of money such an expensive sport crazy expensive so i guess i'm really i'm curious like the the the of like flag nor fail in your company before it was like there was because nowadays everyone is

just copying everyone it is just and I know everyone yeah I get it like I've seen it I've been a part of companies that it oh we're better than other people it's like bro I was there from the ground floor with you and I saw you copying people I saw you asking me yo should we copy this for that and it's like get a hold of yourself but the thing that I admire about you you were doing and you and Rob were doing this with Flagnerfail before it was a thing that everyone did so i guess my question to that point is what were your inspirations is it was it was it was it was it was it like who was definitely rob like he grew up i don't know like obviously football like you know he's huge yeah so growing up he his mom actually taught him how to like cross stitch and stuff and he draws and

very creative he made his tucks for um like prom and stuff he like black like literally so does tucks put flames going on the pant legs and he's an artist he sings yeah i'm not trying to make this whole thing about him but i just i just want to know the inception of that like because you guys didn't have all the examples of it today it was definitely his passion and then i mean also coming from more of like the like a skater vibe like the that's kind of where we saw he just saw like a missing link he kind of like kind of reminded me in the beginning like famous stars and stripes yeah exactly Yeah, that was, that was, whose brand was that, that drummer, right?

Travis, yeah, yeah, yeah, Travis Barker. Yeah, that was his brand. That was a skating brand that was really popular. Well, yeah, so that was sort of what Flagner Fail kind of is like inspired off of those, like, little niche, like, skate brands. Yeah. In the fitness world, because there just wasn't. It was either, it was either House of Pain or what's the one, it's out of, like, the UK. I think

I can't think of the name but it was like higher end it was like a super high end fitness and then like House of Pain which was just really below Was you talking about Jim Shark? Was Jim Shark? No Jim Shark?

It wasn't even around. We were like before Jim Shark Yeah yeah I think they just did a good job of leverage you know the other company and you'll remember this too the other company that was actually ironically enough

the very first company to really leverage social media in the fitness space Oh, yeah. With shreds. Yeah. I know you remember that. Yeah.

Joey Swole, Paige Hathaway. Like, they crushed. And everyone copied their model. When you look at like all supplement brands now, they like copy that whole. All e-com brands. Yeah. Yeah. The code.

Everything. Yeah. They crushed. Yeah. I mean. And they all, it was just building. They were the influence. They kind of developed almost like the term influencer.

Like that's what they were doing. And it was just like building these people, like characters to follow to push supplements. What do you think it takes now to build a company that stands out? Because now there's everyone's just copying everyone. Everyone's just copy everything. I mean, like right there. It's just you have to be different. Like what, like everybody looks the same.

Like shirts all look the same. So that's actually kind of what we're doing with Flag is we're going to kind of a different direction recently. since moving to Montana it sort of fits like we're kind of getting out of like the fitness brand we have a still a fitness influence but like we do flannels and yeah uh we're coming out with overalls some lumber jacks yeah yeah exactly um and bags because you know the the the market is saturated and it's like while we're it's hard to compete in something that like everybody has and it's great because that gives options to people to make money but yeah we're kind of going a different direction just because we like it we enjoy it or we're outdoorsy people anyway and it's

cold in montana so flannels make sense how do you feel how do you feel about like because you're you're a hundred percent one of the pioneers in this industry the fitness space i would say that i was a part of it as well in the fitness space as far as like kind of like I don't know pushing content to a different level that sometimes I'm like damn what did I create because I would talk to my guys and be like everyone does all the same now it's like it was a part of something that just is like super saturated and then there's probably people who will watch this podcast who are younger now because it's a whole new generation who probably don't even know who you are oh they're no way and it's crazy though I go to gyms now I'm like oh they don't know who I am

occasionally there are some people at your gym that knew because it's a younger crowd and like I am I'm like older. Yeah. So, but there was quite a few people that knew who I was. I was very impressed. My question to that, so that is like,

what is it like kind of like phasing out? Like I'm, because I'm in the same spot like in the fitness because like, you know, there's all these new people who are coming up. And what I noticed too, though, of the new people who come up,

they don't stick around as much. No. Like they're kind of like here for a month or three months. They're really popular. Then they kind of fizzle out. Yeah. Like back when we were doing it, it was like,

if you were able to do it you were able to sustain it for longer maybe just because there was just less people doing it there were less oh and we like going back like you started when we started like we we were on like the same journey like and it's cool to see like how far you've gone with it but it's because we literally started this like we were they were their original YouTubers and here I am I'm still YouTuber like 15 years later we're still still doing it because how is how is your perspective of it changed do you have as much fun um before it was just rob and i just what we were just more vloggy style just our day crazy stuff that's happening um and then when i was competing we'd just do like full

competition mode where like i'm crying and it was that those are the ones that did really good is because I was doing something. It was something for people to follow. Now I'm more doing it to help people. Mine are more informational, full workout videos where I'm giving you sets and reps and tips. And it's all drive. So I have a coaching group now, DLB Daily.

That's the, my main focus right now is like my coaching group because it makes me feel good. I'm helping people. So now YouTube is the reason, like I'm doing YouTube to direct more people to my training app. The training stuff, yeah. But do you have more fun doing like what you did prior or what you're doing now? I think before it was more fun because there was no, like now it's like,

I need this to work so it drives this machine. Like before we were just like putting out stuff just to put stuff out. You know, there was no, there was no direction. And but until I was like, okay, we're doing like Olympia prep. And that's when we started doing the, oh my gosh, we used to go on tours, like the Flagnerfail tour. Yeah, on the bus every every year. So we'd do something different. The first one was out of our truck and we put graphics on it and we just did like little gym tours and like see what people would show up.

And then they just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then we started doing like adventure tour and it was like a 30 day tour. Yeah. It was badass. Like, you felt like an absolute rock star. Yeah, yeah. Like, we'd show up, the, the one that was most memorable is I competed at the 2013, won it. Yeah.

And thought something was going to happen. Like, I thought, okay, like, people are going to call and I'm going to get signed to a supplement sponsor. And, like, you know, I was first in the world and nothing happened. Like, Rob was, like, calling photographers like, hey, do you want to shoot Dana the next day? Like tomorrow we're here, we're free. And they're like, no, sorry, we're booked. He's like, uh, you just won. So I ended up and went to the gym and trained with Mike Rashid instead of, like,

I didn't even have a photo shoot of me after winning the Olympia. How many did you win? Just one. Just one. Okay. So then following year, 2014 competed again. And instead of like, you know what, that when you reach the top of something, you think like, this is the pinnacle.

This is the mountain top. There was like a lot of like let down after that. It was like I did this thing. Everything I've focused on for the last, you know, eight years of my life, I've made it to the top. And I thought like, oh, like the shining doors would open and all my dreams would come true. And it was sort of just like, burr, mur, because, you know, it was, that's 2013. This is like 11 years ago.

Like, supplement sponsors still wanted nothing to do with me because I was a girl with no boobs and muscle and they didn't know how to shoot me. And I didn't do like the sexy route. So I wasn't deadlifting in thongs and stuff. I was like wearing sweatpants and like cut off teas. And they didn't know what to do with me. So the following year, Rob's idea is like, well, fuck those people. We're going to go on tour.

So Drew, his brother was getting married. So we shipped our, we had. to 9-11s. We shipped our 9-11s out to Vegas. And then we did 9-11 tour all the way back to Drew's wedding in North Carolina. Yeah. So every day we'd map out like, okay, we're going to stop at this gym. And then we're going to stop at this gym. And I remember we stopped at this gym in Texas. I wish I could remember the name. And there was like a five-hour line, like wrapped around the building. And it was like rock star status. Like I got out. there's like like a thousand people there and I was like I have to meet every single one of these

people yeah yeah and that's what we did we would just stop meet people for six hours and then get back on the road and go to the next gym sometimes we got to train but most of the time it was just meeting people yeah I remember the the biggest I was because I would always go to like the olympias of these events or the expos and the biggest lines are always like my line your line j cutler yeah yeah I was just going to say yeah rich piano yeah uh Who else? Who else that time? At the end of the day, like, I don't know. It's just, it's such a weird space because it's very like grabby of other people's ideas. And I know you've, I know you've for sure have felt this probably with your apparel where people are like, oh, that's cool. And they just copy it and change a logo. And I have. Oh my gosh. They'll literally put, because most of a, like, especially our teas, they were like song lyrics because Rob made music. Most of the stuff that we would put on T-shirts were. song lyrics and then you would see the same lyrics or the same like words you're like no way you just instead of hustle harder you just wrote hard hustle like it would be something stupid like that

they just would switch or use the same like because uh rob does graffiti yeah so all the hand scripts were actually his hand script yeah so people were getting like those stock script and like just using the same like script and then block text and yeah because you guys were the first really doing that. Because I remember even back when I was working with a scumbags from Young LA, I was, uh, no, yeah, I was, we would reference your items and go, yo, this script looks really cool. And then it's like, those would be products we would make. Yeah. So like, that's the thing is like, I, I've just seen it happen this way for so long. And I'm just like, man, like, it's just such a weird space where everyone, I get it because you're, you're just following

trends. And that's, that's what fashion is. Yeah. It's just following trends. So, everyone, especially when you're in, like, although fitness seems like such this big thing, it's still a small niche market, at least for us in like the bodybuilding world. Yeah. So everything ends up and you're like, it's nauseating to see. But that's kind of what fashion is. It's like you're broadcasting trends that are coming like, oh, we need to do this next. So like right now, like the new trend for like the girl's leggings is the thing that goes

down in the butt. So now you're going to see everyone's leggings. look exactly the same because it's a trend. Someone started it. And it's going to just everyone's going to do it. Yeah. How did you ever, did you ever have a conversation with Rob being like, Motherfuckers, like did you ever see anything I did?

It was like copied or? Oh, no. You never. No. Definitely not. But I loved. I remember loving. Like you guys were probably the first company that had like really pretty script and

topography of like writing in words. Yeah. So did you guys ever, were you? ever having conversation you're like these motherfuckers like i mean there are so many times where it's like is it worth like is it worth even saying something like and you don't want to bring like attention to them it's just like that was one of my biggest mistakes along the way yeah when i when i because i would i was dealing with stuff with that company i was just kind of talking about and like i didn't i didn't bring up things sooner when i should have and i just let them show me to like leverage themselves

higher yeah and that was one of my biggest mistakes was not like obviously you can't like every week be like they copy me a case that's stupid right but like it gets to a point sometimes where it's like should speak up like one of my biggest mistakes was not speaking up sooner was not telling the truth sooner yeah have you ever felt that way about not necessarily like someone like ripping off a design or whatever but maybe just in general in life like have you ever i don't know held back something that later on you're like i should have just said that I usually don't hold back much. I don't like people know you either I either like you or I don't like most people

I'm pretty friendly I feel like everyone's very nice to me but there most of the time at least in the business sense like it's not worth our time or energy we try to look at it as like well are they doing better than us no okay then who cares and you just sort of move on it hurts it's annoying it's just it is what it is but most of the time like we don't bring attention to it like right now there's actually so you know we had a gym in um in pennsylvania yeah war house gym so we closed it down by the way i know great name by the way awesome gym i miss that i do miss that gym but it was like a headache when we kind of moved away it just made it even more of a headaches so we closed it down and um it now reopened as uh another warhouse gym

and yeah trust me we told the girl that's i think she put like warhouse strength or something we're like you can't use the name warhouse and she's using like our logo font and everything we're like it doesn't even matter like good luck to you it's not in a good area it's like we struggled The same building? Same building. She just moved equipment in because we sold pretty much everything in it. The only really sh** part is, like, Rob and I had, like, pictures. Like, I had this giant photo of me on the back wall.

It was awesome. So that's there. So she's definitely, like, tricking people. Like, I've gotten so many messages. You can go, you can take that. Like, you could have them take that back. Oh, I'm going to go break in and spray paint all over it or something. But she's, it's definitely.

Like I've gotten so many messages like, oh my God, you opened again? I was like, no, that's not us. Yeah, now you're signing memberships up because she's just like, yeah, Dana will be here next week. Yeah, next week every week. Yeah, every week. It's, oh, she's busy. She'll be back. Why do you think people take advantage of that stuff because they don't know better?

A lot of people don't know better. Like, we've had friends of ours that kind of knocked off shirts and they're like, dude, you're literally using the same font says us in the same, like, it looks exactly the same. maybe your words are a little bit different but and they they they're like you you inspired us like to start this clothing line we're like it's literally our clothing line that you but people don't realize like there's a difference between inspiration and outright stealing yeah but yeah it's cute it's it's fine yeah you just have to sort of laugh about it and be like it's not it's not worth getting like angry about it yeah it's just but what but imagine if they ran your back and

and just like stole your customer list and data. That would be a little bit frustrating. Yeah, you've had that happen. I've had that happen. Yeah, you've had that happen. Yeah. I've also, like, given other influencers to the same wheelhouse.

Yeah. Essentially did the same thing. Like, imagine, imagine you were creating Flagnorfail and you had three other, like, fitness brands to test products on and see if it sells well and go, okay, this doesn't sell well, let's not sell it here. Let's not spend our money. Let's spend their money. We'll spend their money. Yeah. Let's, okay, this does really well.

Let's not sell it over here. Let's keep selling it over here. Yeah, that's kind of what I went through. I feel like you've had a lot of run-ins where like things, like we've had one really bad situation that I don't technically think I'm even allowed to talk about it, but it's so long ago. Yeah. But before like we started doing Flagner Fail at Expos, I worked for another company. Rob and I both worked for another company in the fitness realm, which it is what it is. but it was kind of that step to actually getting to expos and having like being at a booth and what that's all about well the guy the owner he's an absolute um just scumbag absolute scumbag um we we worked for him he was a friend of ours we helped develop the product um i still like don't there's still like parts of me that feels like i can't say it it's like man i'm i'm doing so much better off than you like if you try to sue me i'll just sue you back

Um, but I named the product literally. I was the model of the product. Did everything. Rob shot everything like we were. He just sort of came up with the idea and we kind of helped finish it for him. And then we blew it up. So it was like people knew what it was. Man, I just want to say it. There's part of me that. Okay. Just say it. No, because I don't want anyone to ever like give him attention. But it was a long time ago. But looking back. Although we were just two kids being completely taken advantage of. He had Rob, like, leave his, he was at that point in time. He was working at QVC.

I don't know if he knew that he worked at QVC for making, like, decent money, had him leave his job where we were, he was making really good money and like come work for us, for him, and then just never paid him, left his job and then never paid him, never paid me um but we realized so much that it was basically like business school everything we've ever learned from that situation was everything that we do now like we don't really work with people like we don't take like investor like we don't want it's literally just me him and his brother that's it if anyone wants to come in nope because we've worked with people before and as soon as like there's just money makes people different and at the end of the day they don't actually

ever care about you they only care about themselves yeah so as long as you know it's just us like we're it family everyone says don't work with your family but for us it's been the best thing ever yeah it's like fully 100% trust Drew which is his brother with our entire lives like he's not going to fuck us like he really isn't yeah I think it's more so I think family might be family is probably better definitely better than friends uh yeah it's friends like creates entitlement it it just makes the relationship weird because at some point in time you it's like i owe you oh me you're not working like it's just it's gonna it's gonna make the friendship weird yeah i think so sometimes it doesn't but yeah that was i would just say it was like business

school for the first year of our life yeah i went to a lot of that business school learning hard way too. Yeah, well, the dude, like, so we were trying to get out of it and he, like, wouldn't let us get out of it. So he went and bought, so I owned dana Limbottcom, but he went and bought like Danilin Bailey.org. Dot net, dot this and started selling his product off my name, even though we were out. I get it.

I get it. It's just, it's tough. And the people just, like, those people always just go, it's just business. Yeah, exactly. business. So you're just a scumbag for money? Just business. Yeah, that's what I always hear. Oh, it's just business. Like, I would have people, I would have people in my circle at the time asking like, oh, why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? And their response to that person would be like, it's just business. Oh, yeah. He don't tell Brad. That's what they would

say. Just business, don't tell Brad. The, so when we started picking up athletes with the him, he would write these, he would have his lawyer write these contracts in order just to fuck them like it would be fine print and you know you're like athletes would be psyched they're like oh my god I'm gonna make money um basically wrote so like we can use your image for the rest of our lives in perpetuity and then we we started seeing that like oh my gosh that seems so wrong like you're you're you're literally fucking this dude and he's just trying to help us and then we started thinking you're like man well he probably should have read ours a lot and to this day if he's even still selling, he probably is still using me as the image. Because in the contract, in the

fine print somewhere, like very, very, it was like 50, 30 page thing. And you're like, what the I'm not going to read all this. And we were broke. We were like 22, 23 years old. We didn't have a lawyer. And we didn't have money to buy a lawyer. So we're here just like two kids signing contracts. And I probably signed my entire life away. Yeah. So he's probably still using my image. Not that he's doing well. Yeah. It's crazy how it goes, man. There's just so much so much time along with making money and how people just switch up and change. Oh yeah. It's different, man. Really different. I'd like to say you are exactly the same. Yeah. I've just dealt with a lot. But I've seen people like, you know, like I guess because we've literally known each other for over 10

years like from the very beginning and like seeing your success and like millions like I mean Joe Rogan talks about you like how cool is that but it hasn't hasn't changed you at all like I haven't seen you and maybe I feel like I see you on the internet so I feel like I see you but I haven't like officially seen you in at least five years yeah yeah and I feel like everything's exactly the same yeah I'm going to go eat some crispy rice after this yeah it's it's just it I think I've just I've definitely gotten to a point where I'm like, I know that if I'm helping someone, like, the chances of them fucking me over is like, it's there. And I'm just like, I'll do it just because I'm willing to do it.

Yeah. You know? Or I'm not. Yeah. Because before, like, that was one of my bigger problems was, number one, I wouldn't tell the truth sooner. And I wouldn't, I was too nice. I was too, like, too much leeway. And I'm like, nah, they wouldn't do this.

So now I just draw my lines way sooner. Like, but it means as far as me as a person, it's, that's, I'm just, I know more. I'm like way more care like I don't trust anybody yeah so like my my my circle is very small and then when you see me like film me or like if I shoot anything like you can tell like okay that's probably a good person because like I'm not going to work with anyone that like I don't trust or yeah because you have to like earn trust for me because I have been taken advantage of for many years like prior to everything yeah so even before all the the fitness uh no no no fitness just is just what made it weird yeah fitness really it really breeds like i think it definitely just

made it weird i think because it's it's the industry that's just it's such a it's such an easy entry point like it's so there's no barriers because it's like i look good i'm a fitness person well and then like you then you just have people grab it used to be like it it is now like and it's nice because you know some people can get mad like I feel like competitors get mad that like oh like she's famous and never even compete she doesn't have any credentials or anything but like that's cool now like I love that you don't need to compete in order to be in fitness anymore I think that's awesome I think that's like sounds corny saying it's I think I was one of the first people who did that because I did compete and I got more popular than when I stopped competing yeah when it first came

When it first came out, 2011. But I got burnt out of the industry. I need to go review those pictures again and go look at it. Yeah, I got burnt out because I was like, I lost a show. I remember it was like when they first, they only did first in the class. But then the next show after it was like they did first and second got this pro card. Oh, yeah. And I remember, you know, you hear the story like, oh, yeah, this person, this guy at the time won.

His name was Nick Garten and he beat me and I was second. And he, no, no, not even fuck Nick. I don't even care. It's just like, it's more so the industry behind was like, oh, he, was under this person who's connected to this show promoter. I mean, it's politics, man. To say that it doesn't exist, like the only reason I say it sometimes it's not, it's like, how the, did I win? I have no idea because I never did the, like I never did anything. Like, I never talked to the right people. I wouldn't go, go to the right gyms and I didn't do all the steps.

How like, you know that that was a thing though. They're like, you got to go to go to, go to this. I had to have the certain coach, like, especially, like, I feel like it's more prominent in, like, bikini. Like, you have to go shoot. Like, I remember, like, JM used to, like, shoot with me. I was like, and I turned them down. I'd be like, no. And, like, I didn't sign with the NPC. Like, I never signed with them.

Like, they wanted you to sign under their, uh, whatever agency. And I was like, nope, that's weird. And I wouldn't do any of the shoots. I would just turn them down. But they were never like, they were never like, they were never. mean to me they were all these happy to see me but yeah I don't I don't know I I was like literally the black sheep coming up in the industry because I didn't do anything they told me to do yeah I just sort of like scooted around the outside so as much as I want to say like I mean

there is it's like I mean there's politics and peewee sports it's like oh like for real though it's like this dad's the coach and his son is best friends with yeah it happens it's life And it is also a business, like everything. Yeah. So to say it doesn't exist, it does. It definitely does when, you know, there's literally, there would be coaches that were on the judging panel and then judging, they're judging their own clients. It's like, I don't know. I don't know about that.

So I experienced that. I remember being like this shit. I was so burnt out on it. And then I would, but I just focused on content. Yeah. And then I told the story before. And then I, then like they start telling me to come, come getting popular now, like more and more followers.

Then they start telling me to come do their shows like you're going to win. And I'm like, what the fuck? I did one. I did one. Did you win? I won. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No one ever told me to do a show. Yeah. This was, this is, you remember Lee Thompson? Yeah. I don't know. He's still a part.

I don't think he's still a part of it. But like that, that it was just, it was my experience with it was like, oh, you guys, it's only about what I can do for you and not that I just looked actually good. So that's when I was like, this is, this is terrible. Like it's not a, it's because it's too subjective of a sport where we can go, well, today we're looking for this. And then we're looking for that. Hey, you want chicken or fish today. Yeah. You guys want chicken? Okay. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Well, these judges on the East Coast are like a little, they like a little, they like this look. And so that's why you went. And their justification was always like, you're just picking the people you like because they're doing something for you. Yeah.

So I was just like this, focus on social media. But I guess, I guess to that point, I guess it kind of goes back to you winning. You did win not even playing that role. Because I was always curious if you played in those parts with people. You did. Like everyone would go. You were just that good. You know? You were just that good. Like you were, I remember and you were also so popular though, too. I think you, you started getting a lot of popularity really fast on social media. Yeah. You were, because you were the first chick that was like jacked and like. Because I was different. That goes back to like everything. It's like what's going to set you apart. You have to be different and everyone so even when I was competing in figure I I would get off like before

I even went because I didn't go pro and figure I would be dead last on the figure stage absolutely I would go to nationals last callouts but then I would get off stage and like there would be a line for me and it's like wait why are you guys they're like you your abs like because I look different I didn't look like everyone had long curled hair and I was like this jacked little no boot yeah big fake boobes and I was just like this jacked a little girl with a short bob haircut like black hair because growing like going through and getting all your you know like afterwards you go ask the judges like what can they work on how can I improve how can I improve they're like instead of putting your hips like this try it like that oh they would just plainly like hey you should go get a boob job I was like

okay but and then like they would be like because it is it's sort of like a beauty pageant but with muscles so like they're like you should grow your hair out and like that like that's exactly what it is yeah it's literally exactly yeah grow it like because they wanted long they liked long hair they didn't like my short hair and I was like well I sort of like my hairs and I think that's the cool part about now which fitness like you know I I start started in this game when girls didn't even really train. Like the first gym I ever went to, it was like a bodybuilder. It was a bodybuilding gym.

Like it was just all dude, all jacked dudes full of testosterone. And I just came in. But I've always sort of been more of a jock anyway, like athlete, sports. I hung out with guys. And so it didn't really feel like I wasn't intimidated. Like I just went with Rob and I did exactly what he did. I just would follow. And I forget what I was talking about.

No, the fitness industry. Oh, the fitness. Like how I love that, you know, you don't have to compete anymore. And like maybe, and I love that, yeah, I was to be on my humble stature. But like, I was a part of that. Like, I was a part of making it okay for a girl to like be in a gym, to have muscles. like I was a part of that thing. I remember that 100% because I would you know I even I would get messages about this about because we would film content together I remember we went and did the stuff

in the UK it was like I think it was like Kai Green. Phil Heath was there you were there the giant workout was just a bunch of dudes and me yeah yeah I remember that those those were like that was the best yeah that was always fun but to go back Like, yeah, and back then, in order to do well in or to be, I don't know, I guess a fitness model, that that's what I wanted to be, like, on magazines, be a supplement sponsor to make money just doing what I liked, which was fitness. Yeah. You had to compete in order to do that. You don't need to do that anymore. Yeah, not at all.

Actually, like I usually tell people not to compete because, you know, what they don't understand is competition. definition definitely like changes you in in what sense like just uh um in mental emotional how you think about food how you think about training yeah um and i think i have a really good head on my shoulders i definitely have a good head of my shoulders because you know i i was told that you know you look like a dude you have too many like i've been told i'm doing it wrong for so many years but i kept following what i thought in my head i liked my shoulders i liked my blocky abs or big leg I have a really good head on my shoulders

and especially girls they listen to people and like they start working with coach and they're like oh well we're going to put you on this this and this to like shred you up so girls are doing like Anavar and all sorts of things and they just listen they just do oh you gotta wear this outfit I remember when I worked with MHP,

I went to my first photo shoot and they gave me this tiny little outfit and I was like, I'm not wearing that. Like, I'm just not. Like, I'll wear the sports bra, but I'm going to wear these sweatpants over top of this little, like, tiny little shorts that were not covering my butt.

Yeah. And fitness is just one of those things where like, you know, it churn, it literally churns through girls. Yeah. Like, for real. It's fucking, it's, fucking crazy and now the only stuff and like you made that joke you came in here like what

we're going to talk about i'm not only i know i said i'm a different clientele than i'm used to seeing yeah yeah yeah the only like again um that scares me the only fiends model why uh just a future honestly the future of what of their lives or just of that sort of like honestly just uh women all to gent in general it's like picture like in 10 years you think women are going to be in the workplace if they can just take their clothes off and make more money it sucks yeah and we're actually making like almost like prostitution like normal because it is it's like a form of processing you're selling some form of your body yeah you're you're getting paid you're getting DMs are like, hey, send me a photo of you shoving this in your vagina and, well, how much?

It's, we're literally making prostitution normal. And that's scary. Yeah. And like, I picture, I have a, I have a niece. She's six years old, seven years old. Do you mean, and like, you know, kids like growing up now, it's like, what do you want to be? And they, they want to be like YouTubers. So in 10 years, when you ask a kid what they want to be, we're like, like a girl. It's like, I want to be an only model. It's like, oh, that is so scary. It's sad. Yeah. It's sad. But it's all your fault. Men, not you personally. I think I had a hand in it. Men in general, because if they just stop paying for it, it's funny because they'll sit there. Men are usually the first ones that are like making fun of girls are like, uh, well, like you're

slugly, whatever. Right. But you're the ones paying the money. That is supplying. You can sit there and talk shit all you want. Like, yeah, she's just an only smile and not take her seriously. Right. But she's one just taking money from you. It's interesting, though, because, like, prostitutes are like the idea of someone selling their body like that. I mean, it's been around forever.

Oh, yeah. It's not like it's a new thing. But it is something that we're starting to normalize because of the digital age. Well, think about it. It's like you would think of, you know, like a stripper. like we're taking like average girls just just girls like any female and you'd be like five 10 years ago you're like oh you want to be a stripper like oh my god no that's crazy but now it's like is it that crazy we're just making it I guess safer because you're like doing it in the safety

of your own home but like I don't know I've had some stalkers like it's interesting I think it's you know like girls aren't going to like want to like actually have a skill set yeah no that's that's the that's the bigger picture thing yeah um where it just kind of becomes our like because you know to a lot of people obviously everyone's has value right but is that your only form of value is the question and that's that's like the thing where that's the sad i think that's the sad part for me it's like oh like one like I just have very I mean I'm super stubborn I'm like very set in my ways values values morals this like you know um like I could make probably I could make a really I could make a lot of money yeah you'd make a ton of money on that I could make a lot of

manager are you gonna fuck me over and take no no but I think that's the sad part is like oh like that's your value is just based on your body yeah well what's not your brain or yeah and a lot of those girls like they they're probably there's probably a lot of talented people in there yeah but they're really like realizing like oh like like I've seen so many weird Instagram things where it's like like a doctor quits like being a doctor and starts there was one of her like her just barking as a dog on only fans. Did you see that? I saw that recently.

I don't know why that one just sprung up. I was like, yeah, but that's sad. It's like, yeah, we're not going to have female doctors because they're just going to be, well, I'm just going to show some ass and tithes and we're fine. The thing is the other, like what's the other value gets overshadowed? Because like on social media in general, it's like what is getting the engagement? So it's just really weird cat 22 because like you said, the guys who are the first to be like, you're also the first ones to buy the product.

They're the ones supplying the money. Then you create this system where like even on the social, it's like also at the same time, what gets more clicks? The girl bent over with their ass showing or the girl who's like in a dress going to work or something. Like you're, it's going to be the girl who's more explicit. Oh, and I even see that with my own like sometimes I just test things out just to test the waters like I was in a bathing suit in Kama.

I was like, I'm just going to see what happens. I don't do butt shots, but it was just a bathing suit. I was just in a bathing suit. Of course that does well. But if the only thing I cared about was like, oh my gosh, how many likes am I going to get on my butt photo? I'd much rather like help someone.

Well, that's where the problem starts to go in like, because this girl who has the only thing is selling whatever, like there could be something else that she has a lot of value to give. Exactly. And then she second guesses it because when she posts the picture that's not getting as much engagement, she goes, oh, wait. My training posts are horrible. Like I'll do like full workout videos like a full workout and then in the caption like write the full workout. But I know people look at it and they like, they actually use it.

They say like, I love that. You like give this kind of contact. Insights on it are horrible. I'm not. It doesn't. But if I would post like a butt shot, it. would it would be 40 times more yeah so it's weird because it's like it's it's convincing people like the algorithm of the system itself your value is based on well dollars but also like in an

instagram sense it's based on like how many likes you get so it is it a mental challenge for me to like you know why not just go this route if i if all i cared about was likes and follows and all that then yeah I would go that route and I would be a lot more sexy, but I don't give a fuck. Yeah. I'd much rather add value to someone's life. Yeah. So is that? And that's, I'm just different. No, no, it's good. I mean, it's good. So the question. Yeah, I think that's the scary part is like there's no value to that. Like, it sucks. And I've, I've talked to girls who like have done the OF thing for so long or they did certain types of content. They're like, some really love it. Yeah. Some really own it. And some are like,

I wish I never did this. And then they find themselves stuck in like that, that like mode of like, okay, well, you know, if I don't keep doing this, I don't get the engagements, then they feel like they're losing everything. So then you get stuck in this. Well, I think you're, it's stuck in that vicious cycle. And that's what we're all programmed. That's what social media is programming us to, like, did you watch, what is that, Black Mirror?

Yeah. Like, the Black Mirror episode where like, I think, I can't remember. remember it but it was based on likes and like every day you're like trying to get the most likes and the most follows and um but that's like literally what they're programming us to care about it's just likes and follows like your value is just based on how many likes and follows you get and that's that's that's the sad part right is it hard not to think about that when I like posts yes but at the end of the day I'm trying to think like okay you know I don't give a fuck.

And I'm doing really well. And if I can, if I can help somebody instead of just like, oh, I'll post this picture because it's going to get a ton of likes. Yeah. Well, so now it's interesting to have this conversation because you, you're doing really well, but you've developed stuff over many years to be able to say that. Yes. So now we talk about the whole new people who are like, they, to even get a footing to do

really well, it's 10,000 times harder. It is. It really is. It's like they almost feel like they have to take the easy route. So the platforms themselves are like, in a sense, not making anyone do anything, but are pushing people towards that direction. So it's like, how do you, how do you as a woman combat that, you know, or even as a guy? I mean, to me, when I don't think the likes and files actually matter because those are the people that aren't actually going to be buying from you. like I don't have billion I have a great file like two million followers it's absolutely amazing

but I built that over like 15 years and it is harder like if you're just getting into social media now there's so many more people on it like we got in when like there wasn't as many people so that obviously helped but I in my head it's you want to build like a core group that like follow you for a specific reason if you're trying to sell something so just because you get a you have 10 million followers your your rate of return is usually your r or i any the more followers you have your r or i is usually a lot less right that's just how it is like when we work with um like micro influencers do the best like when we work with them for like flag or even supplement lines it's because they have 10,000 like real followers versus like someone that has

three million followers that are just I don't even know where they came from some of them are even bought maybe because that was like a thing I don't know if people still buy followers is that still buy followers people buy views people buy likes people do everything you can buy anything nowadays yeah like on streaming platforms on Instagram on YouTube but at least as a business owner like working with athletes the best athletes to work with generally are in that like you know 5,000 to like 80,000 range yeah and you know why I think that is I mean I think you'll you'll agree but because they're real people yeah and and I think because the people who are making the content and the people who are like those micro influencers are really putting their effort and their energy into like

providing value to those value and answering it all comes down to value yeah answer those messages like really trying to engage with the people who engage with them because then you create real relationships not like you know hi how are you good to see you today relationships but enough where someone gets a response and maybe some responses back and they're like that person really with me so that's why those people resonate and do so much better and i've seen the same thing for sure yeah it's always the people who add value outside of just this just that and that's that's the thing that you know we started talking about this o f thing that gets so interesting because these girls like there's definitely they I'm sure some of them and some not have value outside of it but it's

easier to go to this one but it's like if you just try to I don't know if you're a fitness girl just do an only make a program try and create value for a woman and not just for men and then slowly over time and that's where it comes out value is the most important part at least for me because I mean I don't know what they're selling but you have to base it like so I'm selling a training app. So if I'm just posting like half naked pictures of myself, the people that are I'm bringing to my page, they don't care like, they don't care about my training app. They just care about the naked pictures of me. So if I'm trying to sell a training app, I need to sell, I need to post content based on what I'm selling. Yeah. So. Yeah. I just think, yeah, it's just it's a weird,

it's a weird time. If you're just selling your body, then fine. sell your body yeah it's a fucking weird it's just such a weird time i think it's a boss move that like yeah i make money and i can keep my clothes on yeah suck my dick yeah you done that you've done that you've been doing that i've been doing that yeah i get that question when i do the the like cue the ask me a question on instagram it's like when are you doing all the hands when are you doing only i usually trick them like i'll put like a uh like a butt picture and i just link them to my my My training because technically it is my only. Those are my fans and they only get to see my content.

$7. It's not that expensive. Dude, I'm going to start. I was, I've had some really, the guys get mad. They're like,

what the fuck is this? I've had some really creative ideas for that for like trolling. Oh, I always do. And then sometimes I'm just a bitch and I just say like, I actually make really great money by keeping. And I can keep my clothes on. Yeah.

That's amazing. Let me run into the bathroom real quick. I have to go to the bathroom. A thousand times an episode. But speaking of easy, we got to ask you that. I said, I'm not. I don't think you're not.

No, no. I don't think you are. Excuse me, rather. Sterely, we got to ask you about it. Oh, yes. It's easy. Because it's easy, right? I'm waiting.

So, I mean, I love it. Be honest. Yeah. Love it. Let's do a drug test right now. When did you start? Oh, my God.

Bradley. Stop it. You know, Kenny K.O. I actually changed him. Like, you know, Kenny K.O. He goes around and asks everybody. So he was like, he for sure thought I was on drugs. Like, and then he met me in person. I think that's, that's where, that's where I shine. Like, that's why I used to go to so many expos. Because online, like in pictures, like the picture I posted at your gym yesterday, I'd be like, oh, for sure, drugs. For sure. Because. Because. Yeah. You just like, you're not. You just like, you're not. not like online i look so much bigger than i am and like if you stand me next to another girl then it's like oh she actually is pretty tiny like you know you've met christin nunn when you look at she's smaller than i am standing next to each other like her muscle bellies are a lot bigger but she is a tiny little person just because you know you're not putting like you don't you're just looking at a picture and you can't tell perspective perspective so when uh you see me in person

you're like oh i kind of let people down a little bit because they probably think i'm a lot bigger than i am most people think i'm like five five eight five nine like a buck 80 i'm like no five four one thirty so why like i mean i guess it just obviously just comes down to genetics you're just because and and also i guess i'd like to say i have really good genetics but i also but i also have like uh not great i like i i feel like i'm like right in between because there's parts of my body where like like my legs i could not like competing i could not like even now to this day like like i don't have separation of legs because naturally that's where women hold their water their fat is generally in the lower portion your hips your glutes and legs um but you've never done

anything. Nope. No peptides. No. Nope. A little Anavar, a little spring. No. Little wake up at the morning, a little annawar. You wish. Damn, I do wish. Yeah. I wonder what you would look like. Oh, I would be, I would be Iris Kyle for Christ's sakes. Yeah. You've seen me train, right? I've trained with you. Yeah. I think, you know, because after all the years of doing it, there's definitely some tells where you're like, okay, like you see some people that say, oh, I'm natural. It's like, all right, buddy, you're not or girl, obviously you're not. I think, uh, I think the thing that people fail to recognize eyes with like because I've had buddies who have taken gear and they think like oh I'm just

gonna I'm gonna look like a bodybuilder in three months and they're like it doesn't work that way no it doesn't work like that no but also just genetically speaking like I've met people where you're like I know for a fact this person doesn't take stuff and I'm like holy shit like they're genetics they're they're just insane like some people are just super gifted so I've also been an athlete my entire life yeah like I was on the swim team at like five years old like waking up going to swim practice with like the older kids I played soccer basketball field hockey swimming track forget anyone and softball like literally played everything good at everything just I'm an athlete yeah just like you like you're a freak

athlete um and when I started training like I already had like like from the swimming like probably from swimming I have a little broader shoulders yeah from years and years of soccer I already sort of have like bigger legs and then when I started lifting I just lifted I didn't lift like a girl I lifted like a boy like the guys and maybe I do put on muscle a little bit easier than most girls yeah and um but I've also been like thinking back like I started training in 2000 like I started lifting in, like, 2003 or four, like 20, yeah, like 20. Yeah. And this is after years of sports.

Yeah. So, like, 20. So I've been lifting six to seven days a week for like the last 18 to 20 years. Like I will say, yeah, 19 years. 19 years. And this is as big as I get. Don't you think I would be bigger, Bradley? Come on now.

Yeah, technically, yeah. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I just feel like I would be a lot bigger. Yeah. So that is actually why I worked with George Farrow. Once I, like I did all my own preps throughout all the years. I did my own diet. I still do it. Like, I did all my own training.

The only reason I worked with George Farrow because he was the only person that believed me, He was like, oh, he's worked with tons and tons of people. I met him in Alaska. He's worked with people on Zarrids and Offs, obviously. Yeah, yeah, I know. So he can tell, like, he can tell. He's so smart. Like, he is brilliant, brilliant man.

I met him in Alaska, and I trained with him. And afterwards, and I had just went pro, like, I did that somehow by myself. I don't know how. And that was when I was like, I feel like, now that I'm a pro, like I feel like I need a coach like I don't actually know what I'm doing I'm just guess working like I'm doing all my I was just on bodybuilding.com like researching like how to dehydrate yourself like how to get water out like I was doing all my own like research and trial and error and finally once I went pro I was like maybe that's like I want to be serious like I want to get to

the Olympia like I want to get to the bigger stages so there were a couple coaches I'm not to like say names but like immediately I told them like my issues was my lower body like I couldn't couldn't separate my legs and and what they're like well they're like oh well just no you just you have to be on anavar and then it just goes away I was like uh can't work with you because I know what it does to girls it's not good and that's why you see especially girls in the fitness industry you see them for two or three years and then you don't see them anymore because it wrecks girls.

It destroys your hormones. You're a f***. And like once your voice changes, it doesn't go back. No. Just like you're done. Like, but you can tell just like in their skin, their hair, their voice, like even just to me,

the skin's usually the thing that I notice the most. Like, I don't know. Thinness of it. Yeah. It just looks almost, I want to say it, like leathery. I don't know. It's just like looks different. Plus like if they had like acne, like that's a sure sign.

It's like you got your back is just full of acne. Like how old are you? Like we're not in middle school anymore. Your back shouldn't be covered in acne. Like that's not good. So I mean, do you think it's more prevalent now? probably in this space because of social media like standard usage yeah

well i mean think of like all the kit like you have like like the sam sullocks like that dude is what 20 i think he's like 22 or 22 maybe 23 fuck man if you told me he was 40 i'd probably believe you like and it's because of how because of how well and everyone i mean i love rich piano but like the whole like just freely talking about everything and yeah it would they like it's almost like glamorized. Yeah, Sam, Sam doesn't really talk about it. No, no, no, he doesn't talk about it. But

that, like that young generation, there's a whole lot of other people who talk about it. Yes. Uh, oh my God. And like, uh, what's the one dude? He died like a couple years ago. So sad. But, um, Boston Lloyd, like the Boston Lloyds. Yeah. Um, but like everyone just made it into like, oh, well, this is what you have to do. And the problem is like you have people on the internet like Greg Doucette like he's just like makes videos of YouTube videos he gets views off and just saying like Danlin Bailey's a liar and I know it makes people angry but it makes people angry because you can't do it yourself and you can't believe that a girl can look like that but it's like my work ethic is way that literally 19 years I still I'm 40 I'm not even I'm not

even compete I haven't competed in 10 years I still train seven days a week. Why? Because I'm a psycho. Because I'm a psychopath. Yeah. And if anyone, and anyone that's ever trained with me, it's like I outtrain everyone. Well, it says it's, yeah.

That's what Greg would say. Exactly. But it is what I get it, right? Like I understand the idea of like people say it because they just think it's just not possible. Because it's not possible for them. And like, this is a. a really shit thing I say but it kind of helps me it's like there are just people in this world that are just better than you yeah that's a fact I think in all facets like think of it like

like I'm never going to be in the Olympics for track yeah there's just people they're just better they're just and like some of those girls like they probably don't even have to train they're just they're just they just wake up and they're like I can run like as fast as a cheetah and like you're just better than me like you're just better than me and they're at that just sucks and it's a hard pill to swallow for some people especially men they hate me they absolutely hate me but i will say like it's funny they do like like girls whatever um but men hate me like they're like you're a liar like it's like man so that's my only reason if i ever did like a show ever again yet if I ever went back to the Olympia, I wouldn't win it because I would look comical

next to like, it's just the evolution of bodybuilding. It's past me. Like, and I'm okay with that. Yeah. I used to get marked down for having striations in my shoulders. They got striated glutes now. Like, it's, it's crazy. Women's physique is probably the most conditioned.

I mean, they were more conditioned than the men's open for sure. The girl at the top three girls, like, they're kids. conditioning is insane. Yeah, like... It's insane. And when I was competing, there were quite a few of us that competed all natural.

Like Tony West, like I don't, no one remembers her, but she came from an all natural federation and came to the IFBBB. And the only reason I did the IFBB because no one cared about NABA and all, like I competed in NABA for a couple years,

but I... It's a tested federation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. tested but no one cares about like those federations so the most i wanted to be with the hardest competition and the where i was going to get the most eyes and the the most popular and that was

like npc and ifbb at that time yeah but yeah guys hate me man damn it's just ruining dude all we'll let's go right now we'll just stop this podcast we'll go take a piss test right now i looked jack today in your gym i was the lighting It's so good. Oh, my God. So do you, do you just like, because you, you could have lived in L.A. You never did. I could, I could never live here.

I was going to ask for you, yeah. Good for me. I don't know if it's good for me. I mean, I can, there's too many people here. Fuck, dude. I just recently. My next, my next door neighbor is like 40 acres away. That's, it just sounds like a dream.

So like I, like, went in summertime. Like, I can walk outside naked and this is like just in the element. Just. Oh, like on my back porch. Just like liver king in it? Just liver king and it just. Minus hysteria, though? Minus hysteria.

Yeah. Did you see, do you remember that when he like, he got, he got, but he came back and was like. But that's the problem. It's people like that. That's why no one believes me and it makes people angry because they think I'm like this crazy liar. Yeah.

Because so many people like Kenny K.O. does it. Like, oh, he, he interviewed some girl. She's, she's for sure. So, like her voice was so deep. She's like, yeah, look at my fit. Like, of course, look at my face. And she doesn't even, like, her jaw lines like, gong. And it's like, gross.

She said no. She said no. She's all natural. And he's like, really? Yeah. I laugh so. But he actually believes me not. If you ask him, I mean, he might not say it on camera.

He, like, I don't know if he ever officially said it on camera. But, yeah, he comes every single time. Because you had to have dealt with this, like, the whole, your whole. Oh, the whole time. Yeah. But that's what, but if I ever did a show ever again, that's, that's the reason I would do it. I would drug test my, or get drug tested, like on a weekly or I don't, I don't buy weekly or however. Yeah.

However often I need to to, like, prove it. But then everyone would be like, oh, you're just getting fake results. Yeah. You don't win. You don't win. You don't win. But put it out there. This was always an idea for Rob and I.

It'd be a great marketing plan. I have some money I can throw out. Challenge the entire world. I compete. I will bet anybody. Put 100 grand on it. I will, if anyone to the world, you can come, drug test me, come take me. We go to an actual facility.

We go get drug tested. If it comes back and I'm positive, I give you $100,000. If it's negative, I take $100,000 from you. and that's what I would do and I would just make money damn dude I'd be like suck my check those results you owe me a hundred grand

and they run off damn so what do you what do you think like what do you think the biggest challenge to be successful in the fitness space is for people now for people now is just like visibility standing out yeah standing out

it's it's so hard like because it's so awesome because it's everyone's doing it and you can make a living doing it but it's so hard to like stand out now because just everyone's on the internet everyone's on social media my mom's on social media like what why is my mom of an Instagram like why is that a thing it's so funny was she making content though she makes reels a lot of times she just like steals pictures for me and like makes her own reels and it's like this is my daughter type real sometimes i don't know kim lynn my mom but it's like everybody is on social media yeah like facebook so how do you think

you stand out then now if you were let's say you were 20 years old again it's weird i don't think i stand out any i probably used to um the only reason i stand out is i still think i'm different than everybody else. I'm not. I don't follow anyone's footsteps. I don't follow what everyone else is doing. I still, I think if anything, I've paved the way for a lot of females to do this. It's just really cool to see. Like girls in the gym, like that wasn't a thing. Girls with muscle. It's, like, really a thing now. It's a thing. It's very popular. It's actually. weird if girls don't train now it was weird for me like the amount of hate that i used to get like i don't get that anymore because it's like normal now it's yeah we have completely normalized

girls being strong which is awesome and girls having muscle which is also awesome like just being able to like look however you want yeah but i think yeah i don't i don't know how to yeah it it would be it's hard to stand out because there's just so many people and everyone's attention is like a millisecond so like you got to like really get them in those first three seconds and if you don't get them like their attentions I think it still just comes down to value though right like the difference like being unique in the value that you offer yeah and or or just trying to cultivate that value within your audience as much as you can yeah for like it's like as genuine from a genuine in place because like I said I think most people do things just because they think there's like

a money on the end of it and if you could treat things yes you need to make money and yes you need to sell something to like sustain your life that shouldn't be your first and only thing yeah like if you're if your first reaction is like how much money am I going to make your intentions are wrong yeah it's like you have to like care about the thing first and then the money will always come back otherwise it doesn't sustain yeah um that's in my head the the best way to go about life in general. Like it just says a good human being is not always just think. I think that's why like I am so against the only.

Because it's like you're just concerned about the transaction. Like there's nothing else you're concerned about but making money. And it's also not this is a bad way to live very present. It's also just like right now money because being present is good. That's one thing. But like just trying to make as much right now sometimes like doesn't pay off the way you think it's going to pay off in the future. Yeah.

You know? What would happen? I always thought that because, you know, it's the Internet. And, like, it's so easy. Like, what if they just deleted only if it's, like, it just didn't exist anywhere? They're like, fuck this. We're just deleting it. It would just be another platform or come out and offer the same.

Yeah, that's, I mean, true. But if it just got deleted, it's like, now what are you guys going to do for income? There be, oh, man, even more debt in the U.S., huh? Very, very. very very i just don't know where all this money's coming from i know girls that are making like millions of dollars it's like where is this money coming from random dudes it's insane to me but i guess it's insane to me but i guess it kind of makes sense i don't know it's weird i've never spent a single dollar on like anything like that ever ever no honestly yeah because they're just here you just get to

I'm not, no, no, no. They're like, come on over to my house. And I'll, we're doing a podcast. Yeah, funny. No, I just, I just like, it's just weird to me. It's just like a weird. I'm Bradley Martin. Shut the fuck up.

No, no, that's funny. Yeah, no, because I, it just, it never felt like, why, in my mind, I'm thinking, why would I want this, like, sort of, like, distant sort of weird connection with someone that I don't actually know. Do you think it's mostly guys that can't, you know, they can't get it. I mean, you can obviously, you're a very attractive guy. Like, you can get a girl. Maybe that's why.

Maybe it's just guys. And it's just like, we have, there's really a lot of unattractive dudes out there. I mean, maybe just, maybe just uncomfortability. They're just like not, they're afraid to approach. Because of social media. We can't talk anymore. We don't have good communication skills. It's just all pain into itself.

It's just created. It's a good cycle. It's a good cycle. A vicious cycle, man. It's bad. We're f***ed. Yeah. The universe, like,

well, universe will be good. The human race is, it's shocked. The human race. It's shocked. We're just a bunch of idiots. Yeah.

We're just getting stupider and stupider. Yeah, it's bad, man. Speaking of that, like, what about kids for you? Oh, yeah.

I've gotten that question many, many times. So it's funny. We didn't start. Because you're not beating to step up allegations with, you know,

the kid thing. Yeah, it's, because that's, and are like, maybe that's why. No. So for, I mean, we, we've been hustling and, like, competing was obviously, like, my number one.

So I couldn't, we didn't try before. Yeah. We didn't start thinking about, like, hey, maybe it would be kind of cool to have, like, I think once Drew had his daughter, we're like, man, it would be cool. Rob's brother. Yeah, Rob's brother. Sorry, I say him like you. No, you're good.

Yeah. You know him. once he had tegan and like teagan's rad like she's she's cool like it's really cool being the aunt i'm like man it'd be really cool if like we both had kids we raised our kids together so we we started like thinking about it like but like we haven't not like we just at one point in time it was just like it either happens or we're going to just let it up to the gods like world and yeah one of us is broken it's probably rob he did a lot of pro hormones like in his day like you know pro hormones were big there's like other things like IVF and stuff there's other ways to do yeah yeah that's that's the route

we would have to go so like we'd have to be like we because it's not a fun route for the female at least yeah it's not you'd have to just make that decision we literally have to like hey we need to put these guys together yeah one of us isn't working we get that question all the time yeah I kind of figured because it's like the chances that you guys have been together for so long it would have happened. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because there's no, there's no pulling out or anything. Thank you.

Jesus Christ. Only fucking soon. Thank you. Rob and Dana. Point of view or what? Jesus Christ. God. Just got X rated guys.

I don't do only f***ed, but I'll talk about myself. Yeah, no, I get. I get it. But that makes sense. I kind of figured that too. I really did. No, and we still. So you'd have to, like, you'd have to actively pull the trigger on that happening.

We literally have to, like, go to Utah. I feel like there's a lot of good doctors in Utah, Mormon. Is it going to happen? We both need to, like, actually, we love our love. Maybe there's, like, a selfishness part of it. This is where it gets interesting. This is, like, our lives are really awesome. Yeah.

This is where it gets interesting because it's like, it's also, when is it enough of other stuff? Yeah. I don't know. It's weird because we didn't start thinking about it until we were like 38, honestly, which was only like two years ago. And we were just like, wow, it's kind of crazy because we haven't actively tried and we haven't actively not tried. So there's no way the possibilities of like the last 10 years of not really trying

and actively not trying that it wouldn't happen. So it's like, okay, one of us has got to. Yeah, I've got to get it fixed. something so it's always weird because i always find that healthy people like people that really take care of their bodies and stuff like my sister-in-law like uh like they had a really really hard time but then it's like you know there's some people that just pop out babies it's like you should not even have children like you can't even take care of yourself and you can just reproduce at like such an crazy rate and then people that really take care of themselves i feel like

are always the ones that have the most problems. Yeah. It sucks. I don't know why. Like that doesn't make sense. Like in the wild, that wouldn't make sense. Like the healthiest ones should be like the ones reproducing. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. Not the malfunctioning ones like that are just like, baby, baby, baby, baby. Malfunctioning ones? Yes. The f*** dummies. Oh my God. I mean, no, just funny.

Yeah. Like, yeah. For lack of a better word. Just people that like embarrassing. take care of themselves that like you look at it you're like oh my gosh like how do you live every day and they have like 18 kids like how 18 kids like I don't know so what do you enjoy doing the most now uh it's not content I know it's not content stuff to do and I think that's a we live in Montana now we moved there seven seven years ago thing about Montana is there's

too much to do really yes my idea of montana is like like mountains all outdoors of course so like right now where it's like snowboard season so yeah we literally have a mountain like i can leave my house and be on a chairlift in 25 minutes yeah that's like it's amazing yeah like snowmobile like there's just so much to do like summertime it's like overwhelming should i put a zoo culture there Is it have a, is it popping or not? I mean, there's not a whole lot of people. Okay. You can just train at our gym if you want to come.

I wouldn't say it would be super profitable. Isn't, isn't Montana? I feel like that's where all the super rich people who are trying to get out of California go. Oh, yeah. They all go to Montana and buy like these biggest states. Yeah, especially down like by, um, big sky. Big sky.

Big sky. So we're, we're up. Like white fish is definitely like, especially where we live. It's a lot of people from California. Like, they leave in the winter, go back to their, like, California home, and then they come in the summer. But Whitefish is very, like, affluent, for sure.

Ski resort town, really cute. But it's not, like, big sky. Big sky is, like, just, like, most people, like, if they're going to go to, you know, they think of Yellowstone. Yellowstone's, like, down there. So you guys can keep going down there. Don't come up. Yeah.

We're straight up. We're like 50 miles to Canada. It's, you know, it's funny. I just you say they can keep going down and you stay up there. It's funny how people move places and they're like, you know, like, you know, everyone was going to Texas. They're all going to Austin. They're like, go to Texas, man.

It's beautiful. I love Texas. They're like, don't California. Texas. Well, it was a thing. So in Missoula, Missoula is like a little bigger city, not big. It's barely a city. It's like a town for you.

Not even a town. Yeah. But anyway, it's like the next city. over and I guess we had like a lot of people from California and you know your laws are different than ours like we open carry like it's it's that's how it should be wild wild west like you come in strapped um in Missoula it's a it's a little more like liberal but it got a lot more liberal that there was a bunch of people moving in trying to change like gun laws and then all the sudden because you know we're montanans we're we're too busy we're not going to

going to like meetings and finding out all about these laws that are changing. Well, it almost got turned like you couldn't have a gun in Missoula, which is in Montana, which is crazy. Luckily, all the locals came out and like voted against it. So it didn't go through. But it was like, whoa, you did almost California us. Like, what the, but luckily, we overturned them. Yeah.

Don't come to our state. You're fleeing your state. Don't come to my state. It's like come, but don't change. Because like you came because you wanted it to not be that. But now you're here. You're here and you're trying to change it and try to make it more at more. Like the place you left.

Yeah. Stop it. Stop it. Like. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. I'll never understand that. Yeah, I don't know.

The Austin thing was like a big, it was a big wave. And I know like, I wonder if stuff changed over there where it felt like California now. Oh, Austin? Yeah. Yeah. It was like a ton of people were leaving here and going there. Oh. I mean, out of all of Texas, Austin is definitely, like, definitely on the more, like, liberal side.

Yeah. Like, you would think down there, like, just guns swinging, not in Austin. It's like a weird little hippie town of liberals, which is fine. Like, I don't care. But, yeah, we're just, yeah, we like our guns. Yeah. I just bought Night Vision. I'm so psyched.

I was just, I just went up to a mammoth and was shooting guns with my brother. I loved it. Maybe I came back. I bought, like, four more guns. I know. Yeah, I just, it's just way out. California is like the process.

Hopefully, Rob's not listening to this now. It's his Christmas present. Got full optics. Think about. Oh, night vision. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, like night vision.

Like, real night vision. Like on a helmet? Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Everything. I did, we did a YouTube video. There's, uh, he's like an ex. Um, is he a Marine or Navy SEAL?

He's a Navy SEAL. And, uh, just put me through some like tactical training. and we should like it went in our woods and like shot at night like it was pitch dark i could see for like miles it's in crazy it's crazy you know what you know what i'm gonna go we're gonna play tag outside it's gonna be awesome or or not tag i didn't go seek think about how to seek with night vision no with night vision with night vision you're like okay you go high i don't go to find you just picture you guys randomly doing this at night it's like hilarious like in the middle of nowhere that's that sounds fun yeah

I mean, you have to watch out for bears and mountain lines, but... Well, you got a gun on you. But I have my optics so I can see them. Yeah, this is funny because I was out, I was up, like I said, a man with my brother, and we were walking the dogs, and we were just randomly, it's just like middle of nowhere. And we're out, like, camping because I was camping in my van. You saw it when we walked in.

I know, super sick. I kind of want a tour of it. And then I'll show you after. And then we were walking with the dogs, and we're walking just randomly in this one direction. I have this, like, big ass bright light. And I see, like, coyote eyes. And I'm like, oh, it's a coyote, we should go back this way. like we turn as soon as we turn and go back that way there's five of them over here and i was like

oh we got to get the got it because i have my gun i could shoot them but it's like i don't want to deal with the dogs and all this yeah that would be what i'd be worried about like coyotes they're pretty tiny yeah but but like five of them attacking your dog wouldn't be your dog yeah that's that's not yeah i would have to pick that up and leave but yeah anyways i i just what i was going to say this there's something that i and i'm care you probably do this on the daily but when you get out and like you're just isolated in a way because I'm assuming you said you have 20 acres yeah we're on 20 like we're ag 20 so everyone the minimum you can have is 20 so like our one neighbor has like a hundred so you have way less light pollution I'm assuming yeah with there's laws at least in white

fish outside that you can't we don't have like street lights yeah so you know I've I spend very little time in places like that and this is the first time in probably the last 10 years that I went to spend time in a place like that with no light pollution like no sound no people no like internet shit and I was like yeah and I and I really urge people listening to like if you're not in an area like that to go just visit an area like that because it really puts in perspective I would just genuinely say the things that really matter because oh yeah you get in a place like that and you you realize like all the shit not just because you know you're somewhere without all the stuff, but because I was there in the van and I had like the basic things that

I need, like some food, some water, I had the shelter or someone else that could have a tent or wherever they're at camping, try this out. But you sit there at night or during the day and you only hear like wind or just the sound or nothing. Yeah. And it just puts, I swear, just put my life in perspective. I wasn't taking mushrooms at the time. I wasn't doing anything because I talked about mushrooms and stuff. I was probably, oh, he was high on mushrooms. I wasn't It wasn't taking ayahuasca. It wasn't on any sort of like medicine or drugs. No, the drug was nature.

Yeah. And it really made me just be like, it puts just like all the problems, all the shit that you're like dealing with or stressing about just in a different almost category in your mind where it's like, what the fuck am I so like? Because at the end of the day, you know, people say this shit at the time.

You don't take it with you when you go. And you don't, you know, all these things are just not that they're not great for people to try to accomplish and to achieve and to have, but we complicate so much in our life to have. to have those things or to get towards those things. And I think the true power in like even getting to them is like being good with nothing. Simple.

Yeah. And letting your mind focus on the things that truly matter. Yeah, if you want to go and have all this money and have a yacht and have a nice house and live in L.A., like that's cool. But like I think the more, and this is happening with social media too. I think the more stuff you have is just creates more stress and the more you feel like you need more. Yeah, and you get disconnected from the shit that really matters. So whenever I talk to people who live in places like that, like I said, I just spent.

Why do you think I'm so happy and I love life? Yeah. I mean, we moved from like Reddit, not that. I mean, we had 40 acres and actually Redding Pennsylvania. We lived on top of a little, it wasn't a mountain. It was like a hill. But yeah, moving to Montana has like, it's just, I just, I don't even feel like I lived in Pennsylvania. It just feels like home.

So I always, because we traveled so much, like when we came home, like i want to come home to like serene calm and like that's what it is that's what montana is for me plus it's just fun like yeah we yeah i literally have to schedule out my week like okay today we're going to ride dirt bikes tomorrow i'm going to ride my horse and then next day we're going to go hiking like there's just too much to do yeah but yeah being outside with nothing there's nothing better like my favorite place on earth is actually it's called pole bridge it's like maybe an hour from where we live, but no cell service, nothing. That's where I'm happiest. Just not that feeling. It's like if you know your phone doesn't work, then you don't

have to look at it. But like when your phone's here, like you're constantly just like picking up your phone, picking up your phone and you're looking at it. It's like, oh, knowing that it doesn't work, then you don't look at it. And there's like a stress that I feel like goes with a cell phone, just always being there. There's, and I'm not even like a big cell. Like I don't really do a whole, like I don't just sit and scroll.

I'm not actually a scroller, but I do. I feel like it's like if it's there and it's visible and it's like working, I feel like I'm always having, just check it. Like it didn't ding or anything. Why am I,

what do I have to check? Why do I have to check? Yeah, just like, why am I checking Instagram? I don't, I don't fucking care. Like, what am I checking? Why? Like, what is that?

There's like, uh, pressure that goes, with that. Yeah, we've really, like, gone closer and closer to this, this, I guess, technology age of, it's, like, become a part of us. Yeah. Like, you've seen this stuff with AI, like, there's this, recently, I just saw this guy put on some divide, not a, not a neuroling, not Elon Musk neuraling, but I'm assuming this would probably do the same thing. Put something on that, like, he wasn't audible, he wasn't able to speak, but he put this on, and it read his thoughts. Oh, my God, that's freaky. And it read, like, it was able to read his thoughts, like, onto,

like a computer somewhere like he's not saying anything but he's like thinking the thoughts and they were just capturing it oh my god it's like where are we going but i'm saying like this the reason i'm talking about this is like we seem to be getting further and further away from like just being human like now like i mean virtual reality like instead of like video game like now like kids like put these things on and they're in a different world like part of your cell phone is actually like a different virtual reality but now like everyone's going to have like the freaking just walking around and like just picturing a new world they're not going to actually live in the world that we are in i mean it's like we're turning into eventually like side

we're just little yeah we're turning into human robots yes i feel like it's it's so weird it's like is that what is that what is that what is supposed to happen or is that i don't i don't know i'm just really glad like is scared like i'm just really glad i grew up when like we grew up like we grew up without all of this stuff so I know if it went away I'd be okay but like kids now growing up like they they have to have technology like I think we had a the technology we had you remember Atari oh yeah like we had an Atari but like like we had encyclopedias we had to read maps like we have like skill sets that kids like don't have anymore so if I watched what's Oh, I got to think of the movie.

It's on Netflix. A recent one? Yes. Julia Roberts is in it. It's basically the, there was like a cyber attack on like America. They took out all the satellites. I got to think it's a really good movie, but really scary. But they took out like all the side.

Like even a sat phone didn't work. So I don't know if it was Russia or China like did like a cyber attack. It's like literally the cheapest way that you can destroy a country because the country basically will implode itself. So you first take out technology because we're all. I just saw this. Right? Yeah. It was good because it's like, man.

It's kind of scary because it's like that's the future. Well, it's probably going to happen in five years. Like I feel like when they do a movie of that, it's like five years later it happens. It's like you guys knew this was like you plan this. Stop it. You ever seen Don't Look Up? Yes. That's the kind of shit that I'm like, whoa, this is.

yeah yeah but it was it's like in our face now we're like yeah we're just going to show you what we're doing this is the world this is what's going to happen prepare like some people prepare like we we sort of prepare we're like we need a bunker like we need a bunker we need a bunker well you heard you heard mark Zuckerberg is building a 100 million dollar bunker in Hawaii I mean the next house we have we're having a bunker straight up I mean we got like guns and ammo we actually have but think about that Food for about a year. If the richest people in the world are doing shit like that, it's like, well, it's because they know stuff.

I'm not. No, but they also know stuff because they're a part of that. There you go. Like, I don't want to get political in that Hollywood shit by like, yeah. The people that have money, they, they know stuff. Yeah. They do. Yeah.

It's a weird world, really weird. It's getting weirder. It is definitely. So I'm getting, we're going to have. a bunker so I feel like that this when the world is starting the end and like they shut everything down and everyone's like just killing each other because they don't trust anybody but it basically so the first thing they do is they shut all power like nothing works so GPS didn't work your phones didn't work so you had no communication so no one could communicate yeah you then have to

resort back to like well shit like I only know how to get down the I only know how to get places by using GPS it's like luckily we have skill set like remember reading maps like when you when you had to travel you had to print out the map and you're like mapping out like by hand like well then I take 91 and then we'll just make a right on 83 like we know how to do that kids won't be able to do that so it takes all those like skills that you know just are on your phone and it's real life then but then it comes down to like people just end up and like start not trusting each other or you have supplies that they need it's just in the end ends up and the whole world basically implodes it's the cheapest way to like yeah i saw this movie destroy a country

yeah i'm afraid in the name right now because we just destroy ourselves yeah it's a great movie if i can i can't think of the name i feel like i need to buy something in montana or somewhere out of county well you can hang out in our bunker that we're making yeah we have food for at least a year i could probably fashion it a little bit better if Rob didn't eat so much we could it we we we have food for at least but it's all the time right it's like how do I get there in time you know because the planes are well yeah because all the planes went down so like you can't go by a plane so you can drive but then you got to print out to have a map with you because your GPS isn't going to work to get to our house I can figure that out just by signs though you're just like the sun's here the North Star I just follow the North Star that's it

They're Norse, so we'll follow the North Star. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're, you know, we're not like, I wouldn't say we're preppers, but a little bit. I feel like Rob would be. I mean, yeah. Yeah, Rob would be that guy. We don't trust, you know, we don't trust people, let alone the government.

Yeah. Oh, my God. That's a whole other thing. So, you know, you just got to be prepared. Yeah. When they, like, if you had to guess, when would it all go to shit? What year do you think it would be? Oh, we got like five years left.

I feel like, no, I swear to God, I feel like it's like, we got like five years left. I swear to God, I think there's 10 max. Max 10. And then. Which is such a crazy thought. But then again, so I feel like people have been saying shit is forever, though. That, oh, we got 10 more years. Like, you know, like Y2K and shit.

Oh, that, that was, that was baloney. But no, I think all of it. So we're definitely. like on the conspiracy theorist side just so I know I don't know where you I love all those well I feel like conspiracy theories are like I listen I'm here you know because I have a lot of businesses here I know I very much like on the conspiracy theories are like kind of just all fucking true like to be honest well they're all that they're called that but they're not conspiracies when they're actually real which ones are you really into right there's everything everything like

oh there's the Hollywood rap I don't want to go down the hot because we're in there. And I want to get out of here alive. So I'm just saying. Not a ketamine overdose. Like the children and the blood. Oh, my God. Do you know about that?

I mean, you hear shit about that. Like, not that I hear people doing it. I'm just like you hear people talk about the conspiracy of it. Yeah, like there's no way to prove it. Like did you hear like the wayfare where like they were selling children like all the way. I've heard. Did you hear? Okay.

So you've heard of like I believe all of it just so you know. well there was like a like you know way for super cheap and then there would be a dresser called Delilah and it was like $9,000 was like and then there was a girl and then they would put like a girl that was missing like that's the what like selling children oh yeah oh man oh what the I don't want to I don't want to I'm gonna sound crazy no no but that's I mean listen I don't after I'll tell you this after the Google like we after the after the Nothing surprises me. Oh, yeah. After the pandemic, I'm like, this is all fucked up. This is all things fucked up. Everything. So none of that shit would really surprise me.

Like, sounds terrible. Well, and it sounds like when you say things that I believe, it sounds so crazy. Because you could never imagine another human doing like horrible, horrible shit to like other humans, like selling them or. Especially children. Drinking their blood or whatever it is. Like it literally sounds crazy. Or like, that's why I like, you know, my parents think the government like, they care about us. I'm like, Mom, no, they don't.

Please, you don't actually believe that, mom, please. Yeah. And they're like, they wouldn't hurt us. I was like, are you kidding me? They literally put like pesticides and shit in our food so that we die. Like we have the worst food like the FDA is a crock of shit. Like, like, there are, there are, life is not actually their top concern. No, it's money.

It's a giant, it's a giant money-making system. Money, control, and power. But yeah, like the things that, like, you know, you just, I've been down a lot of rap. What about the flat earth one? Oh, I'm not a flat earth. No, no. Yeah, that one's weird. That one's, no.

Because I was on, I did a pot, well, I was doing a live pod with Brennan. I have a friend that's a flat earther, like, and he'll sit here. And he has really good points, really, really great points. And he's also, like, a brilliant man. He's actually a very well-known influencer. I don't know if I should. I mean, he probably wouldn't care. Do you know man's spot?

No. Oh, okay. But he's a flat earther? Oh, yeah. He'll go. And he has great points. And you're like, come on, man. Well, I was on a pod for the fight companion for Brendan.

And we was doing the Rampage. And Rampage was like, he's kind of like into the flat-earthing. He was talking about it. and he was mentioning how like emergency landings are the reasons why he's like this doesn't make sense because like if you had emergency landing why wouldn't you land somewhere closer or not somewhere farther yeah but because of the topography of yeah yeah so I didn't I was going to look at it today actually we fly so I understand like sometimes and like you have to yeah avoid weather mountain like there's all sorts of things that you have to avoid and whatnot to make a decision on where to go but um how about like um do you think we've been on the moon? That's a funny one. The moon. Well,

that's the one hard for me because I'm like, well, how can we haven't gone back? Yeah, why haven't? That's the one. The technology is way better now.

Way better. I mean, why haven't we been back? And the flag in the video, it's moving and it shouldn't be moving because there's like no wind up there. Like so the whole conspiracy is like that that was like a movie set up. Well,

that was. also a time in which the governments were competing to be like, we're here first. Yeah, we're here first, so we did it. So it makes sense that like, maybe we were never there. Because it was just like, yeah, we were there. Maybe we fibbed a little bit. A little Hollywood action. It's weird. Universal Studios like crushed it. It was just for what? Just for like, just because just to say it. Because we were first, bitch. Yeah. Boom. American flag. It wasn't supposed to be waving. Idiot. Weird. I don't. You know, there's so. many out there.

I like conspiracy theories. I love it. And I'm one of them. Go down the fucking rabbit hole and just get stuck. Yeah. Some of them are scarier than others. Yeah. That one is like, it's just weird.

Yeah. I just, like how do you prove it? Yeah. Well, yeah, well, I guess we would have to literally go to the moon. Yeah. And also, too, it's just a lot of weird shit. It's like, like, like I said, after the pandemic, I was like, I can't, I can't not think

that some of these things could be like a possibility. because when I saw they moved during that was like the rationalization about why here why not there's just like you guys are just saying stuff and people are just falling in line yeah it's almost like how they want to see how far they could push people to a point just to see if they could see how far they can push that oh yeah I think well I think it was just like a test like let's see where they stand with this let's see what how far we can yeah I think it was just a test and like maybe they release so I'm part of the like they released that to us like that but i think that was like the test to see like okay are they going to conform

or not conform and like we like it was pretty even split and i think now several years later if they try to do it again we're not going to conform like i think people are getting smarter now it's like are you kidding me this little diaper on my face like there's so many like but then you see people who drive in their cars alone with masks and you're like wait there are people like that there Yeah, there are people like that. And you're like, I'm sorry, man. Your brain's so small. That's like, damn.

You should not be driving a car. No. No. You should get support. Yes. Or the people that wear like the full hazmat suit, you're like, man. Do you know how like, you know my favorite part was this is the something that I think people didn't really think about with the mask.

It was like, the whole thing about the virus at the time was like it can like go on. beyond, like, things, right? And then people would, they have a mask on, right? Walk to your table and then take it off. Not just that. That's, that was ridiculous. That was, even the people who believed in masks were like, this is stupid, but I'm just going to do it anyways because I'm a fucking robot and I fall in line.

But was the fact that even the people who believed in masks, this is something I think people never really thought about it. They would take the mask off and throw it on their fucking seat. Or they put it somewhere and they wear the same mask and put it down and wear it, take it off. And it's like, you're transferring more germs to your mouth. transferring so many more germs because you're constantly like like I can't I could probably go all day and not touch my face like I'm I'm not like constantly like I just don't like touch my face one girl so I have makeup on we don't touch our face but like having a mask when we had to wear them to like get on an airplane or something the amount of times like I was constantly just touching my face well I'm touching everything else and the mask and the mask is touching shit and then there's putting it back on again yeah it's so stupid it's almost like you you're you would have a higher chance of giving yourself code. That's the thing that I was like,

this shit doesn't make any sense. Literally. And then they were like, I remember it was like six feet apart. Then they're like, okay, three feet's okay. And then they're like,

it doesn't even matter anymore. Fuck it. Yeah. And then there was, bro, I swear to God, I'll never forget this. I saw a fucking thing that was like,

it was like from some, you know, like from some news source. And they were like, yeah, the virus lives. This is when I lost my shit. It lives on a,

it lives on like these certain servers. this for so long. And it was like, you know, on like metal, lived for this long. And then it lived for, and then on like cardboard, they were like, it lived for this long. And then I remember instantly thinking like, Amazon's not going to like that because like it lived really long on cardboard. And then next thing you know, just kidding. No, no, no. Doesn't live on cardboard. Yeah. Next to you know, it was like that's gone from the internet. And I was like, oh, this is like, obviously, Jeff. It was like, no, no, put that way. Do not. Don't say cardboard. Mother. Yeah. No, actually card will kill.

it. Yeah, it's, yeah, I swear, there was just stuff like that that I was like, none of this it's like, what's happening? It's all just, it's all just craziness. And people just go, okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. And like, and I like, man, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's going to come. I just wish, I'm just, uh, I use my brain. Like, I just wish people would use their brain, but we're so used to like, one, trusting. I don't trust anybody. So that's part of it. So just because someone's like, you have to wear this. It's like, wait, what?

I want to do my research first. It's like, yeah, people just fall in line. Just fall in line. And I, you get it because you think like, this is like this authority that you have to listen to.

It's like, uh, uh, oh, you want to put this shot into my, like what's in there? Have we done enough testing? Well, let's not get started on the fact that there was one. But then you needed another one and another one and another one for it to just work. You know,

you need 19 boosters and then you still get it. It's like, I didn't get the shot. Like that, even if you believe it, just sounds weird. Even if you're like, this is a, we 100% need this. It's like, why did we need five versions of it? Because, well, like, think of the flu. The flu exists. Every single year, there's a new strand, a new strand.

Like COVID has been around forever. Right. It's just like this different strand. And every year, you're going to keep getting COVID because it's just a different strand that exists. Yeah. So have fun with your 85 boosters. You're going to keep getting it.

It was just like, it was just apparently that was the one that was just a little more of a spreadable problem. Was it though? Yeah. Yeah. Was it? Or that's just what they were telling us on the news.

It's just so weird. Man. And then you start to really think about it and you're like, who made all the money? All these pharmaceutical companies made billions and billions and billions of dollars? Billions. And they were like, it's a free, but we just take all the money from the taxes

and just give it to the pharmaceutical companies. Billions of dollars. For profit business. Yeah. If it was like all genuinely free and no taxes paid for it, I'd be like, maybe it's a good thing. But that would never happen. I would still like, it was rushed. Yeah.

Like rushed through. And it's like, what are the, like I would love to know like what are the side effects in like a couple years from now? Like are there going to be side effects? You don't know. Because you literally rush this thing. I actually know I am also on the side of like. I know more people that have died from the shot. I know no one wants to hear that.

Like heart attacks and whatnot. I had like kids having heart attacks. That's not normal. Like you personally knowing about that. Oh, I like, but I yeah, think about like a lot of the bodybuilders that died. It wasn't stare at guys. Like it was a lot of them had to get,

because they were competing overseas. They got the shot. And what the shot was doing, a lot of times people had like really small underlying issues maybe anyway with their heart it just exaggerated that yeah so everyone was everyone dying of heart attacks healthy people dropping dead of heart attacks soccer players on the soccer field soccer players are literally the the most in shape people ever they run like 90 minutes straight like sprints and yeah dying of heart attacks why why and no one yeah we're just going to keep that on the hush

yeah great times yeah great times we live in i just wonder where it all goes this keeps happening because like when is it going to be like actual a real pandemic when it's like that people are turning to zombies that's what i'm excited for then it'll be like i don't want to be a zombie no uh that's why we're then i'll take a vaccine yeah maybe yeah then i'll take a if i saw a fucking zombie because i remember when it first started i was like maybe this is kind of sketchy because they made it really scary and then like you'd see all these clips from like china people like laying flat flat face on the on the concrete like they died or something right i remember seeing that in the very beginning and then i was like and then you go out and look around like i don't

see anyone laying on the ground like they're just dead so i was like this is could it be that but in the beginning were you a little bit like kind of like oh uh la fit we were here for the la fit when the first case you remember the first case like was actually in los angeles of yeah and the la fit fit what is happening. I remember getting, like we were flying home and we heard about it.

We're like, oh, my God, the first case. And then it was like, oh, another case found, and like, oh my God. And then we started seeing people in like hazmat suits.

We're like, are we okay? Like, is this like, and you just think of like, I go straight to like zombie movie. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Oh my gosh. Are we going to be okay? Crazy.

Yeah. So did you, did you at any point, like, were you ever like a phrase? like were you ever take precautions it was just like that first like a couple weeks where no one knew what it was happening and like you're just getting all this like weird information and then after a while we're like no and then then you get it like we got it we both got it yeah we're down

for a day two days maybe that was it got over it yeah and then one then we went so to Mexico, you can get Ivermectin. Ivermectin, instant, instantly better. Yeah. That could have saved so many people's lives. Yeah. Instantly better. You're, it literally, and they, I feel like I just saw that they like finally came out and

said like, oh my gosh, Ivermectin actually does work. Yeah, they did. Yeah. After they were like, Joe Rogan's taking a horsy warmer. Yeah. It worked. It's so crazy because it's like, that was all, that's also something that also won a Nobel Prize and it also had been used

in humans forever. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it was like, this is bad. This is really bad. That's the shit. That's the kind of thing I go, wait a minute. This one is like, this is a fact that it was used in humans forever. Yeah. They won a Nobel Prize for use in humans. And now it's like, it was all of a sudden it was a demon. And Joe Rogan's

taking a horse to wormer and stay away from it. And then now what, two, three years later? It's actually really good for that. That's where you're just like, what the like how did that even happen or if you look at that in a in a in a like its own little time capsule in that timeline you can't help but go like the you know the funniest thing um because it i mean at least in the united states you can't actually get like pill form you have to like go to a doctor and they weren't like prescribing that at all uh because we have horses we have two horses and yeah it is

a dewormer so you couldn't go to our murdochs a try like people were actually actually taking like the paste version of it. The actual horse dewormer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I don't know if it works. I mean,

it's, but yeah, if you went to them any kind of a farm store, Ivermectin gone off the shelves. So you know people were sitting at home just like eating the paste. I wonder if it worked. I mean, I guess it's like the same.

You just have to calculate like, because it's the amount. The amount's like, well, I only weigh 100 pounds. I don't weigh 1,000 pounds. So, like, getting how much, how much paste do I eat? Just imagine just sucking on the fucking paste. And an apple flavor, because they're usually, like, flavor it. So the horses eat it.

So it's like apple flavor or molasses or maple flavor. That was definitely happening. They were at home eating horse pace. Dude, I wonder what's next. End of the world. We got five years left. So enjoy it while you can. I feel like 10. I feel like 10. I'm going with five. Really? Five. We got five. We got five years left. And then then just say, what do you think the end would look like, though?

We're all going to be in cities. They're going to just start pushing us all. You're like, here's, you guys are here. Yeah, they're going to, they're taking over the land, man. No. They're taking over. 10, 10. I need a few more years. Well, at least you're already in the city. Like, I have to like, they're going to burn my property. So I have to. They're going to burn my property. So I have. to move and like no way yeah what about Hawaii like are we just down I'm just down all the freaking Hawaii oh you mean the burn stuff yeah yeah that wasn't a fire that's a whole another one yeah that that's it that's a I didn't even I haven't looked into that one enough oh I feel so bad for the people that live there like it's so weird like the water there was no running water there was no alarm no no nothing no nothing it was like a

beam shot out of the sky it was if you believe in the beam oh yeah damn you're deep in the you're deep in the conspiracies guys i love it i saw it all too i was like what the what the fuck is going on yeah if you want like i like you brad you're invited coming i'm just saying like so i'll be like five years from now i'm like i told you brad I told you. Here are our coordinates. Come to this location. Dude, I would.

I would. Knock three times. Password is New England clam chowder. I'll bring a bunch of guns. I got you. You'll probably have guns, but I'll bring a bunch of guns. I'll bring some supplies.

Yeah, yeah. I'll bring some supplies too. Food. Maybe like the Walking Dead. You ever seen that? Yeah. Oh, man. That show was really good for the first like, you know,

four seasons. You know, three seasons. And then you're like, oh, my God. How do you keep doing? How are the, how are you keep doing this show was good i loved it did you watch all of it like yeah we stopped after like three or four and you're like they were really struggling to like keep storylines like interesting i mean

how do you after that that's got to be hard i feel like isn't it still on tv yeah well they have spinoffs now different spinoff yeah there's definitely a different spin off we'll all come by we'll do a spin off in montana yeah we'll just we'll write a whole thing and then hopefully the world yeah well i'm gonna also change the password guys so just okay okay Change it. I will text it to you. Yeah, text it to me or smoke signal it to me because we're going to need it at that point. But I appreciate you coming on.

For real. It was wonderful. Now that I, we end with like, oh, okay, Dana's a lunatic. No, you're not a lunatic. No, honestly, I think there's just, it's, it's weird because I, you know, 10 years ago, five years ago. If I had these conversations, I'd be like, yeah, I don't know. That's kind of far out there.

It is, but it doesn't feel weird anymore. It doesn't feel weird anymore. There's too much. I think the biggest thing is just like, you know just be aware and like always be like ready like that that's what we do it's just like always just you know be ready for anything yeah and that that goes just with life like take care of yourself health is like literally the most important yeah and just be ready for anything because the world is weird it is so weird yeah and anything can happen what are we going to train

dude i was here all the last three days i know i've been doing bull i know i was trying i was like maybe if he sees my story he'll come i don't know if you would survive my workouts man oh you're shit workouts you know you should go easy you would not survive come on i've been there i've done that already you would quit maybe the leg workout right now the leg workout my up right now yeah we did legs for like two hours not not not the upper body when I crush you. It's too easy. You're a woman.

Yeah, but I'm on so many stichs, right? Just so many. So many. Just all of them. I'm just like, I'm like a human pin cushion. Just like. Where's your favorite spot to shoot? Yeah, I try to get you.

Where's like a normal spot? Shoulder. Oh, okay. Glute. Wouldn't that hurt? Yeah, the first few times. Oh, and then you, what, get used to it? Yeah.

I have to give my goat. shots right now and I just like it's horrible yeah like subcue like I'm like subcue yeah he's on um not I am I think he got that for something he has polio oh it's not the same as like human polio um it's like a vitamin deficiency so we have to like give him thiamine like every six hours which is crazy what the fuck doing that now rob damn every six hours yeah he's much better at needles than I am. I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, but yeah. So even even in the night. Yeah, so we've been waking up. I was sleeping in the garage for a while, like all last

week. Damn. How long is that going to last? I don't know. We've been doing it for eight days now. It's horrible. Is it going to go away? I hope so. He's like blind in his one eye. It's so sad. I mean, he's okay. He's not, he couldn't stand before, but he can walk. He's moving. He's just like really slow and staggering. What's his name? Rodney. Rodney, I'm going to come say hi to Rodney. When I come to Montana and I want to tour the bunker. Yeah, when it's ready.

Yeah. We'll shoot you coordinates. I'm dead serious. Yeah. I actually, I want to buy a property in a place like that, like 100%. It's so expensive where we are now. It's very expensive. Well, I mean, you're used to that, I guess.

Yeah. For sure, use of that. California's insane. Yeah. But thank you for coming on, for real. I'm glad we ended it with you looking like a psychopath. It's not your part. No, you do. You're great.

Guys, I'm actually, my specialty is fitness. And then I guess I am also a conspiracy theorist. No, it's not even weird anymore. It's not weird. Again, be ready for everything. Yeah, I prepare. That's for sure. I prepare.

But thank you for coming on. So where can people find you? Obviously, you said you have the app. That's the thing you focus on the most. Yeah, DLBdaily app.com. Yeah, that's my training app. But I focus on the most. and then, yeah, just all social platforms

on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Daniel and Bailey. Yeah. My full name. You just have to spell my middle name right. L-I-N-N. Not L-Y. No.

Yeah. L-I-N-N-N. Dana-L-N-Baley, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Like, it's crazy because it's a full-circle moment because I've known you for so long and I really appreciate you coming on today. Thank you.

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