RAWTALK - Dave Smith on America’s Political Awakening, The New Right & Nick Fuentes for President?

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Sponsored by: HelloFresh Get your meals here: Https://www.hellofresh.com/RAWTALK10FMOn this episode of RawTalk, Brad sits down with Dave Smith who breaks down why America is experiencing a major political awakening. They discuss why young people don’t trust traditional media, how independent creators are reshaping public opinion, the struggles both political parties face in connecting with voters, the shifting landscape of power, influence, and the future of political conversation in America.Hope you enjoy, see you next Tuesday!SUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

I guess like, as we get into it, I'm super curious, when did you start getting into politics? For me, it was 2007 is when I really started. So you've been in here. I've been into it. Yeah, I was, it was Ron Paul running for president is what got me into it. I first saw him in 2007, and then I just got fucking obsessed with all this shit. So, yeah, I weirdly, I got kind of obsessed with politics like 10 years before America got obsessed with politics. You know what I was the guy who was into it. And then once Trump came along and it was just, oh, everyone's, you know, like kind of

more focused on it than ever before. Yeah, because I mean, well, it got to a point where it's like you couldn't, it's like you couldn't avoid it. It became such a part of, I don't know, it felt like it was a part of everything. Like pop culture, everything was just. it's like leading to politics. So it's, that's interesting, though, because now that you're at this point where you're obviously still a comedian, you still do show, you still perform and do all that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I still do stand up. Has, has talking about politics affected that or has it benefited that or hurt that? Well, it's, um, I mean, it's it in like in terms of like what I do, like in terms of like my, my act or my material or stuff, it's always been like, I joke around about a lot of different things, but like, I've always, for a long time, I've been joking about politics in my stand-up, but then the podcast taken off just helped, you know, sell tickets a lot. So that's like, you know what I mean? Now it's, I'm playing a fuller rooms than I used to. So that's nice.

Do you get more or less Jews at your shows? You know, well, dude, it's like everything else. Like, you know, fucking like 40% of the Jews in New York City voted for Mom Donnie, right? Yeah. So, like, there's this weird disconnect. And this is always that been true, right? Like, there's this weird disconnect between like the Israel lobby and Jews. Yeah. You know, like the Israel lobby sold the war in Iraq, but Jewish Americans opposed it more than almost any other group. And so like there's just, and I'm not saying there's no like, you know, like,

there's no connection to like Jewish identity and supporting Israel. But you'd be surprised about how many Jews are totally on board with everything I'm saying. I'm not saying it's the majority, but like it's not, it's a fair chunk. Yeah. Yeah, it's this identity politics thing has just become so crazy. The back and forth. And I don't know, the right, I guess, has been just historically very supporting of Israel. Now it's like it seemed to be completely cracking. What's your take on why it's gone in that direction? Do you think it's because of social media? Yeah. I mean, like, well, I mean, there's a few different factors. But the huge, huge one is that they don't have a controlled propaganda apparatus. anymore. You know, it's like the corporate media, which, you know, since, since there's been modern media has always been tightly controlled. And I don't even mean this in like a conspiratorial sense, like the government literally licenses the broadcast licenses to the companies who could

broadcast on TV. And in like our parents' day, there were like a handful of networks. And, you know, and it was just a completely controlled environment. Now, and this is a a fact however you feel about it everybody like in the old order anyone who was critical of Israel or god forbid the Israel lobby's influence on America they were labeled an anti-Semite and they were driven out like you couldn't be on TV taking those positions so there never was anyone on TV taking those positions and so the American people just never got the story right and the story that they'd always hear would be like doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself like hey there's this little tiny country a nice jewish boys and then there's a sea of angry

crazy terrorists all around them and so when you're when you put it when it's put like that it's like okay yeah i guess i'm on israel's side yeah plus then there's all the religious elements that get into it too but now they don't have that anymore there's a whole lot of critics of israel who not only can speak but can really make their case and you can't shut them up no matter how much you want to yeah and then so that's that factor and then mixed with the other major factor, which is just that, like, first up, they've never done anything this horrible to the Palestinians before. They've done a lot to them. They've never done anything quite like they did over the last two years. And it was streamed in 4K. So good luck, you know, good luck convincing

young people that that's okay or something. You know, it's just impossible. Yeah, I'm just like, whenever I see it, I see them talk about. I'm just like, how, how do they think this is going to go in what direction? And then you see them talk, you know, like this, this Netanyahu guy talk about, you Oh, now we're getting control of TikTok and now Larry Ellison is in control of it. And all these things you're just like, would they even say it? And you're like, wait, now you're saying the thing that you're affirming the thing that everyone's saying and already saying. Now you're, but we're not supposed to believe you more now.

It's like they say things publicly that it's like, do you guys all work for Nick Fuentes? Are you trying to prove him right? Like it just seems like it's almost like that's their goal. is to like convince you that the worst jew conspiracy is correct and you see it all the time like there was this one um that uh um bacha i can't remember her last name i'm sorry i apologize because i do actually like her i debated her once um on on israel and she's like but she had the thing i don't know if you saw this but she was just she basically is like a liberal zionist who supports donald trump now who came over from the democrats to support donald trump

But she was just talking about how Jews built the entire left. And she's like the entire civil rights movement, the entire left wing act that that was all Jews. Now she was saying it because she's upset that they've turned their back on Israel now. But just the statement that she was making, you were like, oh, if like a white Christian guy said that, you'd say that's an anti-Semitic statement. Like if you just said, like if you weren't saying Benjamin Netanyahu did this, but you just theorized, I bet Benjamin Netanyahu's trying to do this. they would say, oh, well, that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Yeah, but he's like, the problem is just that he said it out loud.

He told you this is what he's doing. So it's just, it's too wild, man. It's too, the contradictions are too obvious. Right, right. Do you think it's on purpose? Because there's a big part of me that thinks like where this is going. And I've talked to other political sort of commentators about this. It seems like they're almost purposefully, because you have these, you know, the Congress people

who talk about it, like the people who, in my opinion, sock this like Randy Fine. guy all these like Ted Cruz all these people talk about this stuff in such a way from positions of power in the United States that just make you go everything everyone's saying you're just proving them right every single time you talk about this topic every time and so it just feels like they're trying to get to a position of being being a victim enough where then they can create actual laws that are stopping people from doing this period yeah I mean that's something I'm very concerned about and there's, you know, I was talking about this when I had Nick Fuentes on my podcast and I was, he kind of agreed with me and I was curious what he would, what his

opinion on this would be. But I was just saying that doesn't it, doesn't it just feel kind of like, it's like we went through this, this regime where there was crazy censorship on social media and like you could not say the wrong thing or you were getting kicked off there. Like, you know, and then all of a sudden, all of that's gone. It's all gone. And now social media is just like where it is today, where you're like, whoa, people are saying like the wildest thing ever. And it does feel like, is the other shoe about to drop? Like, is this a setup?

Was this like, is this all done so that you can then paint the narrative of like, see, this is why we need tech censorship. Otherwise everyone becomes a bunch of Nazis or something like that. And I mean, I guess I do, you know, like I, to answer your question essentially, I don't know. But isn't it interesting in a way, right? so like for example and you know

I've probably been talking about Nick Fuentes too much over the last few weeks but it's just hard when it's the kind of topic yeah just fair it just demonstrates so many things what's happened with him lately

but like so when he came on my show and then when he came on Tucker's show you know I'm not saying Nick was moderating his views I'm really not even saying that the way he described it was like I think he said giving reassurances but he even said the other

day he said he kind of responded to something i said on his podcast and i think we were kind of talking past each other like i think he kind of missed my point but he essentially said on it what he was clever he's like yeah look did we joke around on this show we say wild things all the time but when i'm being serious and i'm telling you how i feel you can see that i'm being serious and i was like oh that's kind of interesting so he said on my show um so like i'm not saying whether this is moderating or just clarifying but he said on my show that he rejects racial hatred he also said he doesn't think all the Jews. He said there's no reason to just like hate random Jews who aren't like haven't done anything wrong themselves. Yeah. When he was on Tucker's show, he agreed with Tucker that

Christians are forbidden to hate an entire group of people or even to believe in collective guilt or collective punishment. Yeah. And those clips are not what's going viral. No, of course not. You know, like if Ben Shapiro really meant what he said, why isn't he doing a whole show with all those clips and going, hey, look, guys, even Nick Fuentes acknowledges that like you shouldn't hate all the jew or you shouldn't have racial hatred let's all agree on that no no instead of that they want to go back and pull up his most offensive you know you know uh clips from seven years ago where he's like 20 or something like that and he said this this provocative thing and i'm just saying just that on its own kind of demonstrates something it's like no what they want is for nick to be a

Nazi so that they can say look you're all a bunch of Nazis that's actually their goal what they don't want is to like lower the temperature on this stuff which to me seem to be what Tucker Carlson was trying to do in that interview with went to be like okay let's let's talk let's lower the temperature let's agree that like hey we're Christians we can't hate people we can't kill people like all right let's have a conversation about this whereas these guys seem to be intentionally trying to really like bubble up the the tension and really you know so it does seem to me like, yeah, they benefit from that dichotomy. The dichotomy is like you either agree with us or you're a Nazi. And I don't think the way to counter that for like young people who are waking

up to this shit, I don't think the way to counter that is to go, okay, I'll be a Nazi. Yeah, that kind of just proves them right. Well, yeah, and it also goes back to your point about Jewish people in general, because I know obviously you're Jewish, but that it's not just every single Jewish individual feels the same way that everyone, you know, sort of like how they identify Israel and how they want to move. Like they're not interchangeable. And I get it because like I have a lot of great Jewish friends

and business partners and things like that. And I'm like, whenever I have these conversations, I'm always like, in a way it sucks, but at the same time, it's like we still have to talk about these things without just avoiding them. And I think, you know, when you talk about Ben Shapiro, like specifically, the way they criticize that, you know, Tucker had him on or you have him on or whatever it is.

And it's just like, I even had him on like a couple months ago. I'm going to have him on again. But it's like, let's avoid this real conversation and just keep pointing like you said at like, well, look, he said it's bad. The thing he's did is bad. And it's almost like they're just trying to play to some base or some sort of like, let me keep this here so we don't actually go and have these real conversations. And it's like, I would just say to Ben Shapiro, like, why don't you just debate Nick?

If you really disagree so much, because you're right. I watched a clip specifically from your show where he, yeah, he jokes. He says things that like he would say, yeah, it's fucked up. It's a joke. Right. And you understand that coming from the comedy standpoint. But then he also has those real moments where he's like, yeah, like he jokes about racism and all this stuff.

He does believe in stereotypes, but he doesn't believe in the hatred. Like he's not like, you should kill these people or kill those people. So you're right. They don't highlight any of that stuff. And I agree with you. I think it's on purpose. It's just interesting. I think it makes me feel like they just believe the majority

or like the base that they're playing to is just so dumb that they're not going to see anything else or that they're only going to see what they're saying. But like that's just not the internet. And they're playing off the internet culture of the clip baiting and just like clipping. And it's isolating one thing and saying this is what it is. And I think people are just past that point.

I think people see enough. I agree. I agree. I agree. And I also think that it's, you know, there's been some things where there's like, it's like the, the corporate media type people all, they all got exposed on so many big controversies in a row, like that for young people, it's basically just been their whole life. Like young people like, you know, it's a, like if you're, if you're 25 today or something

like that, like you were a baby essentially when the WMD. hoax was going on but you probably know about that growth like you you came into life knowing that the last war we were totally lied into but like that was a really big deal at the time you know for people like me who were older than that and we're like 20 at the time like it this was crazy dude they totally sold the country on we're going in there because this guy has nuclear weapons and was involved in 9-11 and we it was totally exposed to be lies but the young people they sure do remember COVID and they sure remember wokeism and they sure remember being told that Joe Biden wasn't senile when he was so senile he had to pull out of the race.

And so what happened is people stopped listening to them and they started going toward the internet and the podcasting and the streaming thing got so much bigger. But then there's weirdly like this inability to adapt on the legacy media side. And I consider kind of Ben Shapiro and those guys in that camp. Even though he got big on the internet, he was always like within that world. Yeah. And I remember I always thought this was a really interesting example. You remember when Tony Hinchcliff spoke at that Trump rally in Madison Square Garden?

Yeah. And then they go on MSNBC and CNN and they go, a speaker at a Trump rally said this and tried to make it act like it wasn't a comedian doing a roast set. It was just, but the thing is the video had already been viewed like 500 million times on the internet. And then MSNBC is speaking to like 150,000 people or something like that. and they're trying to lie about what it was. My point, I guess, just being that, like,

dude, more people are watching Fuentes' show than are watching you cut his clips out of context. Yeah. So they know what the answer to this is, and they see what you're doing. So it's like these old tricks that used to work. Yeah. It used to work because back in the day,

no one saw the other side, and everyone just saw yours. But it's like, that just doesn't work anymore. And they don't know what to do. So they're still just lying. Yeah, it's weird because they're not understanding that that whole group of people have sort of aged out of the equation.

Not that they're not relevant people anymore, the older population, but that's not the majority now, right? Like, the majority is going to be the younger people and they're failing to see the connection. Or they can't defend the position, so they just continue parodying the same shit and it kind of gets there, right?

When it goes back to me thinking about Ben Shapiro, if he feels so strongly about his position, then have the conversations instead of going on other shows that are vindicating what you're saying in regards to someone else, that you could probably very easily speak to yourself. It's just like... Well, especially when he's criticizing Tucker Carlson

for not being harsh enough on him. So, okay, so you go do it. So go show us how it's done. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's people like the Mark Levin guy being like, I'm not going to platform this Tucker Carlson. And it's like, bro, like the guy's got a bigger platform than you.

What are you talking about? Like you just said, the Nick Fuentes, the bigger platform than Ben at this point. I mean, it's obviously shifted and changes to such a degree. I guess my question and all that, that is like, do you think that that debate will ever happen? Or do you think it's just an avoidant thing just till the end of time? I don't, you know, I'd be happy to be wrong about this,

but I don't think Ben Shapiro will ever face Nick Fuentes. I just think he knows, I think he knows he can't win that debate. And there's just, you know, like, I'm not even trying. Look, Ben Shapiro has his talents. He didn't, he rose to where he was, you know, for a reason. he was very good at what he does he's he's he's a talented rhetoritician and he's you know like but nick's better than him at all the things he's good at yeah and also like like he's just better next a more talented broadcaster more talented um you know debater he's just better

technical like i'm just i'm not even saying who you think is right or wrong on this i'm saying like if we were just watching a basketball game and one guy can run faster and jump higher than the other like he's just better at him natural talent yeah and he's just He's on the right side of the Israel issue, even if he's not on the right side of some other issues or even if he's said some real provocative things. You know, I saw one clip of your show that I actually thought was really interesting. And I don't know, like I've seen a few of your show. I saw when you had Nate Diaz on, I love that show.

I think I saw a part of the Nick Fuentes one. And then I've seen a bunch of the stuff where you and Demetrius Johnson stuff, which I just think is the most entertaining. I'm just like a diehard MMA fan. And I love just like, I just love even just like the thought. of that whole thing yeah what really could you do to demetrius johnson in a real street fight and the the thing is we could never really find out because you have to kill him that's the only way you can really wait like you can't do it in a controlled way yeah in a controlled environment he'll tap you out but like in a real street fight could you just pick this motherfucker up and ram him into

a wall before he could get i mean he's that guy's one of the goats of them they though he'd be i'd have to crack him in the head with a cement brick or something yes no oh no it's weirdly like your only shot is to, like, kill him very quickly. Yeah, for sure. Otherwise, I'm getting tired. Yeah, exactly. So, like, we could never really run the simulation. But anyway, whatever.

Anyway, but so I saw this clip of it was the, you and the girl that you do a show with. You do it like a young girl. Sarah Safari, yeah. Yes. So I don't know anything about her. All I know is this clip where they show that the guy went up to her and, you know, did the, like, what if you get kicked out of 1009 bars? Would that mean you're the problem?

I kind of got her, and then I saw her response that she did with you. And I just thought this interesting because, like, I'm a 42-year-old dad who's married with little kids. I'm very removed from the, like, what does a 20-year-old chick think about, you know, like these things? But it was interesting to see this clip where she just goes, she's like, listen, I didn't, like, I don't know what that guy was trying to do. He kind of suckered me into a thing. All I'm saying is like, I'm with the kids of Palestine. I don't care about any of that other side. And I just thought it was very interesting because it kind of revealed this dynamic where, like,

young people at this point have seen a genocide committed in 4K on their phone for two years. Well, no one does anything about it. And they also know that maybe not them. I mean, I don't know how much taxes these young people are paying, but they know that their parents are funding this thing. Like, they know that their country is funding this genocide that they're watching. And so even like to some young person like that, who she's clearly just like a sweet girl.

And she's like, I'm not signing up for any of this Jew hatred thing. But then she's also going, the moral issue here is the genocide that's being committed against the Palestinians. Not like whether, you know, so anyway, I guess my broader point to that is that Ben Shapiro and guys like that, they're trying to play this moral outrage card against Nick Fuentes. They're trying to go, you said this thing and that's appalling that you would say this young man. But like to all the young people, they're like, you're defending a genocide. Yeah. You don't have the moral high ground here to say, aren't you out of,

line for your provocative jokes or even your provocative takes like it's just and so I think this is the dynamic why like Ben Shapiro and all these guys know they can't really win these debates yeah they just they can't you you when you were Nick Fuentes's age Ben Shapiro you were cheerleading the war in Iraq explain to me why that's better like really speak slowly because I'm stupid so really explain to me how you supporting a war sold off of lies that got a million people killed is is not orders of magnitude worse than anything Nick Fuentes has ever done in his entire life like what is you know like okay yeah he's said some racist shit yeah they're trying to they're trying to relate like words that you know could potentially hurt people in their minds to

like literally killing people and saying which one's worse and yeah no it's it's fucking absurd I mean bro I saw a clip of fucking this Randy Fine guy go on a some news network saying, oh, yeah, maybe I laughed at some stuff about some baby dying, but like it wasn't a baby dying from Israel. It was a baby dying from something 10 years ago. And it was like, even if that's your excuse, like whether or not that was true or not, whether it was from a baby dying from Israel, you know, killing the Palestinians, whatever, the genocide, or you saw it from 10 years ago, his literal words were, it was not by Israel. It was by someone else. That's why I was saying that, you know, we should kill all Hamas or whatever. And it was just like, bro, what the

fuck are you talking? Like, what, it just, it completely, I completely do not see how they can make those, those points and they don't see themselves in like saying that. How do you say, my, my point is the baby didn't die from Israel, died 10 years earlier from some like Muslim interaction and it's some other country and that's what it was from. And it's like, wait, so either way, you were laughing at a baby dying. And then you argue about, well, this guy's a nod. because he said some shit on the internet well look dude like i was saying before it was i really got into politics in uh in 2007 and it was the first thing i saw what some what drew me into this whole world and and that i've never left since then was the what what's known as the ron paul juliani

moment where it was during for the george w bush administration and they were talking about how the terrorists hate us because we're free and then ron paul just went the terrorists don't hate us because we're free the terrorists hate us because we're over there They hate us because we have our military bases in their holy land, because we bomb their countries, because we kill their women and children, because we support Israel ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. Like, he's just saying, and I was just like, whoa, I was real. I was young. I was in my early 20s at the time. And I, which is kind of embarrassing to say now, but I was like, I really never considered that before.

Like, all you got to do is consider that for one second to go like, well, wait a minute. Like, yeah, dude, imagine how you'd feel like if there was this country. halfway around the world who was dropping bombs on your country and you just watched like your little sister and your grandmother get killed in front of you or whatever and then you heard like a politician like Randy Fine

talking the way he talks about like they're you know it's like while they call other people Nazis what do you describe that's the Nazi thing right there like what is it other than that what does Nazi even mean in the popular conception other than a government who's killing innocent people and then their leaders are saying things like yep good exterminate them.

You know, there's an old quote of Madeline Albright. This is how long this has been going on for. There's an old quote of Madeline Albright. Anyone can find this on YouTube where they're talking, she's being asked about the sanctions regime on Iraq during Bill Clinton in the 90s. So this is not, we invaded the country and fought a war there under George H.W. Bush in 91.

And then everybody, or most people would know, we invaded in 2003 and occupied the country for 20 years and got a million people. killed, but in between that time, we were also killing a whole bunch of people in Iraq. And so the interviewer mentions to the Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, she goes, you know, there's this new U.N. report that says the blockade that the U.S. Navy is enforcing around Iraq has led to the deaths or malnutrition and starvation and deaths of 500,000 children. And she goes, is that price worth it?

And Madeline Albright goes, we believe it is. Yeah. Those were her words that we believe. that price is worth it. Now, okay, if you're going to say you believe that price is worth it, all I'm just saying is like, all you got to do is just be a human being for five seconds. Imagine that was your kid. Pick a kid that you love, man, that's in your life. Like actually picture that kid's face right now. And then imagine somebody saying that kid's starving to death by a forced blockade, dying through the slow process of torturous starvation, that that price

is acceptable. And then imagine what you think of that person or what you might be willing to do that person or even, you know, what you might be willing to do to a citizen of that person's country who heard that and that wasn't enough for them to overthrow their own government, you know? And so like, I just think, I think that's what a lot of people are waking up to, man, is that it's like, what do you mean Nazi? Randy finds the Nazi. Lindsay Graham's the Nazi.

I'm talking about turning Gaza into a parking lot. Like if you not, you haven't seen enough videos of like babies getting crushed to death before you'd go like, I wouldn't talk like that. Yeah. And bro, it's just, that's the thing I don't get is the, uh, I mean, I get it. It's just a sad realization is all of it at the end of the day comes back to just control money and power. And it's like, it's all in the name of that. And so, I guess my question is like, why do you think in relationship to Israel have we gotten so far down that line of, we're doing all these things and we're, we're putting up all these smokescreens to avoid like the real human nature of it to justify it? Do you think because you're Jewish, obviously? obviously, this idea of being God's chosen people. Is that something you were taught as like a child growing up in Judaism? Yeah, that's the chosen people is like how do you. Yeah, that's like that's, that's kind of the story of the first testament of the Bible, right? Or of the Jewish Torah,

the Old Testament is that the Jews were God's chosen people. You know, I don't, I don't think honestly that that stuff really has, is a big factor on it. I mean, like, look, there is obviously there's there's there's obviously a degree of superiority to thinking that your god's chosen people i mean there has to be well of course but then look at the same time i mean christians fundamentally believe that the only path to heaven is to accept jesus christ into your heart that they like essentially christians believe that they are going to heaven forever and everybody else is going to go to hell forever there's there's superiority in almost every religious claim because every religious claim is kind of claiming

that you're the ones who have it correct and that other people don't have it correct. And when it comes to the business of worshipping God, that means that's a big deal. I think what's really much more relevant is the Holocaust and the... Like, it's not so much the story of Passover or something. It's that Jews grow up with the story very drilled into them

for understandable reasons that, like, we were almost exterminating, that could happen again, but not for Israel. And that that's the lesson of World War II, is that the Jews were almost exterminated, and then we formed our own Jewish state, and that's why we won't be exterminated again. And this is why you get such an emotional reaction

out of particularly, like, boomer generation Jews. When you talk about Israel, when you talk about Israel, they just know that you're saying you love Adolf Hitler. That's why they have that, like, knee-jerk reaction, because it's just like hardwired. Like they've been, they were propagandized since they were kids that like this is what happened.

And many of them were like shown graphic, violent videos and things like that, which like in any other situation you would think of as abusive, but somehow in this situation, it was considered like raising awareness amongst kids or something like that. But then like on the power side of it, what ended up happening, I mean, as best as I could like kind of tell you the story of how I. I think Israel came to have so much, like, influence over the U.S. government. Well, like, essentially, Israel was a creation of Europe and big bankers. You know, like, it's just, you know, the Balfour Declaration was written to the Rothschild family.

Like, it's not a secret that there was huge international financing that created the Zionist project. So there was always influence, and there was always, you know, They were always good at that game of, like, you know, getting influence. And the really, it was the neo-conservatives. Like, like, this high, they were this group that really pulled off something pretty amazing and they really hijacked American foreign policy. And they were not of the elite. They kind of became the ruling elite.

They were, these were a bunch of, like, Jewish guys from New York City who all went to city college. They were all at a city school. They weren't at Harvard or Yale or nothing like that. They weren't in at the Council on Foreign Relations. That was all like big banks and big oil. But they just went and made their own relationships with the military industrial complex.

And they formed all these think tanks that would advocate for more war. And then the weapons companies all funded their think tanks because they love anyone who's going to go advocate for more war. They really ingratiated themselves into the major conservative publications. They took over institutions. They, they, you know, the American Enterprise Institute,

the Washington Institute for Neary's Policy, Project for a New American Century, not foreign affairs, the weekly standard. They really basically took over national review. And they got themselves into the Reagan administration and then Bush One administration, but they were kind of sidelined. But under W, they took over.

They got like all the big positions of power, and Dick Cheney loved him. So they just, basically, they just got their foreign policy. And so the whole thing, like, grew into what it is today. But then there's also, of course, the element of, like, Christian Zionism, where you got all these Christians who believe that Israel must be supported no matter what, or Jesus won't come back. And then you got, you know, Christian Zionists like Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz, who they're not Jewish.

But, man, do they have loyalty to Israel above all? But how does, you know, like, they just. And then just one other element is like the Epstein type stuff, which we really don't know, you know, the full depths of. Or we don't know how many different rings like that there are. But there do seem to be some connections between Israeli intelligence and getting a whole lot of dirt on really powerful people. Yeah. But how does the Christian Zionism thing work if like you're talking about they don't believe Jesus will come back if you don't support the Jews in a sense? Because isn't that, doesn't that's like, isn't that counterintuitive?

Yeah, it makes, it really makes no sense. And I'm not like, because there's people, don't the two religions like not agree with each other at like a basis level about who Jesus was and who, you know? Yeah, well, there's like, there's a few passages in the Bible where like, you know, God commands, you know, Christians to like, uh, like support Israel or something like that. But it's like Israel. But they're not talking about the modern nation state of Israel. Yeah.

It's not, you know, it's not, they're not. talking about, like, like, God wasn't predicting in 20, 25 years. There's, yeah, they're right. Like, it's, it's just kind of bizarre. But then I guess there is this, there's all this, like, controversy about the Schofield Bible or this dispensationalism. I really just don't know enough to speak intelligently about it. But to me, it's certainly, it just, if nothing else, it just seems goofy.

I mean, like, I don't care, like, whatever your religious view is, like, there's not, and like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. a true believer in God, and I have a personal relationship with God. So I'm not an atheist at all and haven't been for many years. But the idea that, so like I say this is somebody who prays every day who believes that God's very present in his life. But the idea that you're going to make any type of political decision based off like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, if you were like Bradley, you're like, hey, do you think we should lower tax rates? And I was like, I think God wants us to lower tax rates. You'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, what's going to be good for the economy? you know what I mean like that's just that's not really the way to think about this decision and to the idea that God has commanded you to obey any foreign government or support any foreign government just seems so goofy to me for any person to believe and then there's the there's the you know whatever your interpretation of the Bible is like I don't know dude I think it's pretty clear on murder

like I think it's pretty clear on you're not allowed to kill people right what what portion isn't that covered in the Ten Commandments? Does God ever at any point correct that? I've read the Old Testament and the New Testament. It's been a little while. But I don't remember any point where God goes, you know that thing where I told you're not allowed to murder people? Like I, you can sometimes. Seems pretty clear on that. Yeah. Well, that's why I talk about the whole, the whole, the God's chosen people in that concept. You kind of related it to Christianity and like going to heaven, a Christian believing going to heaven. But I think there's more to that that I just kind of wanted to speak on.

Sure. In Christianity, there's no like, if someone else isn't, it doesn't mean you're better. It's a personal belief that I'm going to go to heaven and that person won't, right? But I think in Judaism, from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, you know better than I would. There's that idea that obviously, we're God's chosen people. And when I hear that, I think, okay, if someone logically thinks that they're of God's chosen people, then they're going to think that they're a little bit of a step ahead or a little bit

more important than everyone else. And then there's other things that I've, I've seen, again, correct me if I'm wrong, where it's like, if you're not of us, of God's chosen people, then you're, you're goy and you're this and you're not as important. So if I hurt you, then it's kind of justified in these senses, but there isn't that in Christianity. And I think that's one of the thing that comes back to this whole idea when you, you know, you see these settler videos where they're like, yeah, fuck these people kick them out of

their homes and I spit on Christians or whatever the fuck it is. And I think that's the thing that sort of, I don't know, maybe rallies that group specifically. Oh, sure, sure. It will say in Israel, like, specifically, like, that's why we're validated. Because I'll see these, like, bits where random influencers will, like, go on monkey or some shit and talk to, like, some Israeli person in Israel. And they're like, they're just doggedly set on, I am more important and I'm more valuable than these people.

And they're just not, they're not at my level of humanity. Yeah, okay. So that's, no, that's a really good point. a good question too so yeah to be clear oh yeah there's no question there are like real deal jewish supremacists and it's a real problem and like there's now there's kind of different degrees of it and look in the same way that every group has their supremacists you know what i mean including white christians and including you know but but there's a particular problem with that with uh supremacism in the jewish world and particularly like what so when you're when you see like those videos of like the um the the the the

settlers in the West Bank or like you know like all that stuff you know you got to keep in minds here too right that this is of all the you know the the millions of Jews living in Israel like of all the millions of Israelis the people who are going and living on these settlements these are the most like like if you could imagine almost like a situation in America where like it was a real deal like white supremacist society like worse than our worst apartheid under segregation or something, you know, where black people are really kept in one little area,

and they're just not allowed out of it. And then the government gives permission to go build houses in that black neighborhood to go start taking over more and more of the land. Well, which Americans do you think are going to go start doing that? It's like your craziest skinhead, like most rats. So those guys, the West Bank settlers, are straight, they're Jewish skinhead Nazis.

You know what I mean? Like they're just, and they absolutely have the religious conviction that God gave them this land and that they're the people of this land and these people have absolutely no rights or claims to any type of basic human rights. It's like the worst, most vicious form of bigotry. Yeah. Within Israel more broadly, it's not quite that intense, I don't think. I do think there's still kind of an underlying supremacy to the whole national problem. project. And then in the United States of America, there are some Zionists who are very much

Jewish supremacists. But I guess I would say for regular Jewish, for like Jewish people in America, I don't really think most of them are. I think most of them, like they may have their own, you know, it's kind of like one of those things where like you could pick, you know, a different passage from the Bible, as atheists often do. Pick like the worst passage from the Bible and go, see, this is horrible. It teaches you how to beat your slave or something like that. But like absolutely no Christians in America today actually walk around thinking that somehow they have a right to beat up a slave or something like that.

So like I think for most, because like I grew up around a lot of Jewish people, I don't think almost anyone I ever knew ever was like a Jewish supremacist or like in any way treated other non-Jews like they were less than them or even had a view that they were better than them. Like, I don't think I've ever encountered that. But again, that's me growing up in Brooklyn, New York, where Jews were very assimilated and very, you know, like, it just wasn't, your identity is, almost every Jewish person I knew, like, their identity of being Jewish wasn't, like, the first and foremost thing about them. There were, the Jews I grew up in, it was a bigger deal, whether you're rooted for the Mets or the Yankees than whether you were a Jew or a Christian. So I just think, like, there's, you know, you just never, like, all these things do exist. I think just like sometimes, you know, the lower order thinking is to like make it as black and white as possible.

But it's a bit more nuanced than that. But certainly that Jewish supremacy is a real problem. And it's a real problem also because it like today, I don't think me or you, like if there's some fucking Ku Klux Klan's member or something like that today, we kind of don't really care because like whatever, dude, go be a weirdo by yourself. It doesn't really matter. You're not oppressing anyone. But, like, if there's clan members, like, showing up outside black people's houses with burning crosses, like, that, okay, now that's a problem, you know, because there's a victim here now. And the real problem with Jewish supremacy in Israel is that there's real Palestinians who are actual people who are just getting destroyed over it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, in regards to the American sort of, I guess our government really just complete allegiance to Israel, do you think that that, that really ever changes or do you think it just changes like names and faces? Because it seems like why would they want to give up their ability to continue to protect that nation, right? Like you talk about, for example, well, yeah, specifically like this, this Mirian Adelson chick that donate all this money to the Trump campaign and like largely the reason why I think he's still in office. Um, you know, you see the clips where he's jokingly being like, yeah, you know, she, which country does she like more it's probably that one and like but she's an american obviously

and then they try to rationalize you have the the whole israel they joke i mean i guess the side of twitter that i'm on the israel first uh america whatever yeah these people who are like well if they want to fund it it's okay and there just seems to be this like no matter what because they already have the money and the power they just kind of continue on in the face of all the criticism regardless like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this Massey guy being like, they're trying to now fund him out of Congress because he's not really agreeing with this side of the government. And it's just like, do you think it does change? Do you think it does evolve into something different or is it going to change, change faces and change names for, because like, you know,

everyone's like, why is it not registering as far, right? Why is AIPAC not this? And they'll say, oh, it's an American law because it's American Jewish, whatever, people here are doing it. And, but, you know, then they can never talk about, well, what are the actual interests that they're lobbying for? So it's just like, does it just change faces? Do they just, like, think of a more creative way to do it? Or do you think it's just going to end up in a complete, like, anti-Semitism? Semitism is so bad. So now you just can't even say this shit.

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is still marching along the same as they would whether it had been destroyed or not. But now you just watch it like, look, it's unbelievable. A year ago, Donald Trump came in with his record high approval ratings, the highest approval ratings he had ever had.

He had totally won the culture and the youth and the moment. And it just down to every detail. Everyone you knew was just supporting Donald Trump this time around. And John Jones is doing the Trump dance after he wins the heavyweight title. You know, like it was just

and right now he's got this lowest approval ratings ever and it's all over the Israel thing man like it's just so much of it like the energy he lost the youth over the Israel thing he lost his base over the Epstein thing which you know is kind of the same thing and like it's just so you you watch like the like how much longer can it go on like this

or what do they have to do at some point and I don't know I don't know but it is look it's just undeniable that like you could see just like in the last two administrations, right? You could see how much Israel has hurt Donald Trump politically. It's just undeniable. And then Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, I mean, it was devastating for them.

Devastating. You know, Kamala Harris, who ended up being the nominee, but it was Joe Biden's problem all year in 24, and then it was Kamala Harris's problem at the end, was that like the whole year, imagine you're a Democrat trying to win the presidency, and you go, okay, what is every left-wing activist in this country doing right now?

Are they protesting your opponent? Are they campaigning for you? No, they're protesting the genocide that you're presiding over, calling your president genocide Joe. That's what every left-wing radical in the country was doing.

It was such a political problem for them. So you step back, you think about this. Wait a minute. Israel is a political problem for politicians of both major parties? And by the way, this is nothing new. Israel has been a political problem for every president of my lifetime.

Every president of my lifetime has been trying to get this issue settled because it's such a pain in their ass. And yet all of them support them. All of them support them, even though it's not in their own political interest. And they support them no matter what they do. They support them no matter how much they, and they tell you that. They openly tell you got Tammy Bruce at the State Department just saying openly, America is the greatest country in the world except for Israel.

Like what? Like, what other country does anyone speak about that way? And so it's just, I guess, like, look, even when you just look at it, you'd start, if you just, I don't know, someone who's smarter than me, maybe could figure this out. But, like, I don't know if there's a good, like, mathematician who's listening to this, right? But think about how divided the country is on the Israel-Palestine issue. And think about the fact that Israel is, like, I think they've fallen off by, like, 50 points in the polls. Like, America is so critical of Israel right now, right? and then think about the fact that every last member of the administration is pro-Israel.

Like, what are the odds of that? Some statistician out there. What is the odds that we completely, by coincidence, get this Trump cabinet where it's like there are views as diverse as J.D. Vans to Tulsi Gabbard, to Bobby Kennedy, to Cash Patel, to Dan Bonjino, to everyone. Every one of them supports Israel. Every last one of them. every single president funds Israel no one has ever run on a critical of Israel campaign

except for maybe like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul or something like that and they didn't lead with that but you know like it's obviously this isn't a coincidence and I think that's just so anyway they can't put this toothpaste back in the tube everyone's already seen it

they're not going to unsee it but what they can do going forward that's it I don't know your guess is as good as mine yeah I mean, with the Bandani thing, your take on that, like, because there was that interview where he, they're, not interview, rather,

the panel where they're asking him, what are you going to do if you win the, the, win the mayoral vote, right? And he's basically like, oh, I'm going to stay here in the, the five boroughs and talk to Jewish people here. And they're asking, because they're basically asking, are you going to go to Israel? And every other person is like, I'm going to go to Israel,

my fortrip, my whatever. The funny thing about it is, like, you could, in the climate that it exists now, you could not, it's, it's not even about hating Jewish, people or anything, but when you see someone on mainstream media, like, premise that question is like, why is that the question? Like, fuck the answer. Why is that the question, period? Why are you even asking someone who's going to be a mayor in an American, one of the most, the biggest cities in America? Why is the question that's important for New York City, are you going to go

and visit Israel? And then when he says, I'm not going to go, I'm going to stay here in regards everyone else saying they're like you saw it he said he said he wasn't going to go and they're like well just the jewish state deserve to be a jew it's like what are what are we talking about america and that's why when you talk about this america first stuff or israel whatever the fuck they say and it's just like i am i'm so baffled at the fact that they they either willfully do not give a fuck or they don't see it but that's impossible there's no way that we all see it and we're just fucking dumb podcasters and commit whatever the fuck it is and it's like there's no way everyone sees this, but you're still trying to press this issue in this

way. And when I see stuff like that, I'm like, is that why the guy won? Is that the one moment where he won? Or is it because of the socialist stuff and the economic stuff? And I kind of wanted your take on that. Well, man, there's just so much there. And I do think, um, look, there's a, there's been a tremendous atrophy amongst the ruling elite class. And, and particularly the media class. And, you know, like, look, just like literally in the same way that there's atrophy in a muscle, you know what I mean? Like, if you don't work that thing out, it does not, it will weaken.

That's just, like, that is a, that's not even a metaphor. It's exactly like that with thinking to. It's exactly like that with making arguments too. If you don't get pushback and you don't really press your idea, you will get weaker and weaker. And they've just had a monopoly on this thing for so long that they've gotten so weak. I mean, I don't know what else could explain the fact that they actually thought, like, Bradley, you can't overstate it. It would be, it would be ridiculous to make, are you going to visit Israel the number one question at a presidential debate?

Yeah. Like, that's just not the most important thing for the commander in chief. But in a New York City mayoral debate, it's the goofiest thing ever. And also the fact is that it's, well, look, let me say this. Okay. Because I got to give like almost like a disclaimer little rant. and I'll try to keep this brief. But like, I hate communism more than, like, like, listener, you.

I hate communism better and more than you, okay? And socialism and communism, I think it's the most like bankrupt and evil ideology. It has brought nothing but disaster everywhere it's been implemented. And the idea of ownership and rights are all the same thing. The right, the most fundamental right. is that you own yourself. That's the most fundamental. The idea of liberty stems from the idea

that you are the boss of yourself. You own yourself. And property is an extension of yourself. If I work all day to build something and then you come and steal it from me, you stole my day's labor from me. You stole my existence. So all this talk of like collectivizing property,

it's all, just think of rights whenever you hear anything about welfare or programs like that. And the thing is, right, like I said before, I come from the Ron Paul revolution. I'm a radical libertarian. I believe in free market capitalism. It's the only system that delivers, like, peace and prosperity to a people. And, you know, one of the things that's so frustrating is that, like, while Mamdani runs

and wins on what? The unaffordability crisis, right? That's what he's laser focused on the whole time. The biggest issue that actually matters in New York City. But what does he not, what does unaffordability even mean? to Mom Donnie. What is, why, well, why would it be? Gee, let me think.

The federal government is the biggest government in the history of the world. New York City's government is one of the biggest state governments in the country. It may be smaller than California, but probably right on par. Yeah. It's the biggest state government. Certainly has the biggest police force, one of the biggest welfare budgets, all that stuff. So what you look at that, oh, everything's so expensive. Why?

Because we don't have enough government intervention, you think? You know, the whole thing, wait, what was Ron Paul's thing always was end the Fed. And why end the Federal Reserve? Because it's fiat currency. A government shouldn't be able to print money out of thin air. That's why you need to be on a gold standard. You need to have some type of restraint on the government. Because what happens is this is essentially the whole game here, right?

Is that we can't afford the government that we have. We can't. Period. We have nowhere near this much money. We can't tax the people enough to pay for the $7 trillion a year to manage a global empire that Washington, D.C. runs. So they can't tax the people enough. So they borrow money.

But they can't borrow enough money because not enough people will lend to the government because it's just too much. So they print the money. And they've printed, I don't know if you've seen any of these charts, right? But over the last few years, like just in the Obama administration, Trump's first administration, Joe Biden's administration, and now Trump's first year, they've printed something like 75% of the money that ever existed. Like they've just been printing money at record rates.

And now everything's super unaffordable. the prices go up in other words you've debased your currency that's what unaffordability means that's why your dollar doesn't go far anymore and so the answer is that we can't afford this gigantic government

and then these goddamn commies come in and go this is the proof that the government needs to be much bigger and run everything and it's just so ass backward but so that all that being said my whole disclaimer what did they hit him on when they were trying to take him out you won't visit Israel you

dummies Israel's not popular. That's to his credit that he doesn't support Benjamin Netanyahu. So like, it's just the whole thing is so freaking infuriating, man, because like I hate commies so much. But then what? I'm going to side with a lockdown governor who's BB Netanyahu's lawyer. Oh, great. So you got a Nazi to run against the commie. Screw that, man. And so I'm kind of happy in a way that he won because like screw all these guys for trying to take him out for being decent on the Israel-Palestine issue. Um, but anyway, I guess, and then beyond that, just listening to people like Ben Shapiro just scream. He's a Jew hater because he wouldn't condemn a phrase like just watching that. Imagine Ben Shapiro turning into the purple-haired 17 year old. He was debating when he rose to fame going, you're racist because he won't condemn a slogan. Like, uh, yeah. And then the whole don't care about your feelings.

Yeah. And then Ben Shapiro talking about if you can't live in New York City, just move the fuck out. And then there's that whole relationship where people like, well, what about fucking Israel? they can't stay there out of the U.S. should they move out? Like, there's just like, it's, it's also fucking strange, man. But do you think part of the reason why, you know, you talked about our currency and all this stuff being fucked,

obviously printing all this money and creating all this bullshit inflation why people can't fucking buy basic shit? Yeah. Do you think part of the reason why, not that they're in wars or supporting Israel, et cetera, but like part of the way America has been able to maintain its dominance outside of, obviously, it's currency completely going to shit in these other countries joining other sections

where they're honoring that currency more. Do you think part of the reason why is because of the military activity that we just continue on that we're able to maintain dominance on the global scale? Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. I mean, that's how we maintain this dominance. But then I think, you know, the question is like,

well, it's kind of like public choice. theory type stuff, right? Where there are, you know, there really is no such thing as like the national interest. People say that like there are ideas of like, you know, where people say we should only go to war if our national interests are threatened or something like that. But the truth is that politicians are individuals and they're, the people who are making powerful decisions are often making decisions based off what's best for powerful people or maybe even a certain slice of powerful people, or sometimes just what's best for them and isn't even best for the powerful people.

And if you think about the powerful people who forced Joe Biden out of the election that he still wanted to run for, right? He was doing what he thought was in his interest, but they were like, hey, this is no longer in the interest of the powerful elite. And so we're getting you out of there because they're actually more powerful than he is. But the thing is, it's in the American Empire's interest to dominate the entire world. It's in weapons companies' interest to dominate the entire world. It's in politicians' interest for them to have more and more power centralized in Washington, D.C.

But like in the American, in terms of the American people, I don't see how any of this is in their interest. You know, I was just, I think it's coming out today. But I was just on the Trigonometry podcast with Constantine Kassin. and we were kind of like having this argument a little bit where he was like, yeah, no, I understand you don't like this, but this is why America is so rich and everybody. And I'm like, first of all, America became the richest country in the world before we were the world empire.

We became the world empire because we became the richest country in the world and there was such a large tax pool to tax to begin with. The reason why we came out ahead in the world wars, aside from the fact that we joined them late when people were more, the other nations were more tired, But the reason why we won those wars was because our industrial capacity was just like outclassed the rest of the world. We could just produce more and more, you know what I mean? Like fighter jets and tanks and everything we needed and they couldn't keep up with us.

And in fact, I believe I'm on firm ground saying this, but even in World War II, the German technology in many instances was superior to ours. But we just destroyed them on volume because we were the McDonald's of the world. Like your burger might be a little bit better than ours, but I could crank out a hundred in a minute. You know what I mean? And so, but why is that? Why did America even become the most, you know, successful, wealthiest country that's ever existed? Well, between, say, 1865 to say 1914, right, from Civil War to about World War I or a few years before World War I, we had no central bank, no income tax, no federal budget, essentially, maybe two or three percent of

GDP was spent by the government, no regulation, no welfare state. It was a free market country, the closest any country's ever been to really being a laissez-faire capitalist experiment. And so we created all of this wealth that way. And then, of course, after World War II, you have the military industrial complex gets built up. It becomes bigger and bigger and bigger over the decades. There's many expansions of government later. But I look at this since the unipolar moment, is 1991.

Soviet Union fell and were the most powerful, we're the lone superpower. We've spent like $20 trillion on wars and empire, another, you know, $50 trillion on entitlement programs and all this other stuff. Yeah. What exactly have the American people gotten for this? Our whole country's being destroyed. We were a much, this was 1991. We were in a much better position as a country then than we are now.

Even with all of our technological advancements, we were still fundamentally so much in such a better place there, not drowning in debt, not with a country that was pitted against each other, that had no national identity, where politics dominated everything, where culture war issues, we're tearing apart families, where, you know, like, it just wasn't like that. I was around. I remember. And, you know, like, so, so no, I just, I just fundamentally reject this idea that, like, any of this empire is actually in the people's, interest. Like, I think the people's interest was maintaining a constitutional limited republic. That's what we were supposed to have here, not a global dominating empire that blows up wedding parties in Yemen and bullies every country around the world. So we're never supposed to be any of this. Yeah, it seems like they got all the money and all the power. Then they're like, how can we just get more of it almost? And that's the frustrating thing. You just, you look at it all. And like at the end of the day, I mean, even this, the plan that they have for the

they released I don't know how long ago for like the Gaza you know rebuilding thing it's just like when I see it it just makes me go

all right well who's getting these contracts who's gonna get all the money to rebuild this who's it's it just seems like it really sucks when you really look at America and you go damn

we are bullies and we have historically just bullied our way to like continuing the money funnel into the military industrial complex

all these contracts to come along with it, the rebuilding of it. Because we've done both things. Like we've funded all the size. And it's just like, does this shit ever unravel? I guess that's that, you know, I kind of ask you that question. But it's just like, man, it just feels like I wonder just where it goes. No, I look, I, look, I look, the essence of that is that that that's why I do what I do

because it's just, it's all of this shit is just, it's just too intolerable to be allowed to stand, you know? Like, I just, I'm really not like, I'm not an angry person. Like, I got, I really, really love my life and I have, like, a beautiful wife and beautiful little kids and I have great career and everything. But I'm just so furious about all of this stuff because it's like how, I don't know, how can you be a decent, awake man and not hate the regime that you live under? You know, it's things like even the fact, and again, to preface, I am against welfare programs. I am not for the food stamp program. But really, you're just watching, even like all the talk about food stamps getting cut during this government shutdown, you're like, yo, you're kidding me, dude.

for for less than we sent Israel in the last two years you could fund this program but i mean substantially less i think they needed like six billion dollars and we've given israel like 25 billion or something like that it's like dude like this is just you know but again it was always like reading and learning about stuff like this like how do you not like when you learn that ronald regan's administration was shipping cocaine into the united states of america to help fund the contras while they were ramping up the war on drugs. They were shipping cocaine in. So they were shipping cocaine in.

Then when it gets in and people are cooking it up and turning it into crack and then people are selling it, then you go get some poor guy who's got five crack rocks in his pocket and you give him 60 years in jail. Like, wait, what? Like you just committed the most profound act of treachery against your own people. You ship in this death and then you militarize your political. to go terrorize the people who you just your people who you just ship this drugs into and then so you learn that and you go okay so like wow this is a really fascinating chapter in history so like at what point

like did they publicly hang everyone in the Reagan administration like when did the people have a revolution there seems to be zero oh none of that happened oh none of that happened okay but then I will say this just to your point because I don't want to be too much of a downer because like I am angry about all this stuff but like I also would say this you know like slavery was abolished that really happened like there used to be I mean and you could make an argument about like you know is there still slavery in the world or whatever but like there used to be chattel open air slave markets in the united states of america in europe that was abolished that's gone now we don't do that anymore communism used to rule over half of europe that is gone

now it does not you know europe is okay it's not perfect it's been largely liberated from what it was under the Soviet Union. China was the Mao-Saitong was the most vicious mass murderer in all human history. In the last few decades, over a billion people have been pulled out of extreme poverty in China and India and East Asia. So I'm just saying like really great things can happen. And we are at a moment now where like there does seem to be a mass awakening. And so like I do think there's potential for like some really amazing great things to happen

here. but at the same time you should be really angry about what your government's done to you yeah it's nuts man there's just a you know I don't want to talk about

the fucking Hitler thing but there's just that there was a funny thing where I saw I don't know if was you were talking to Nick about it or someone was talking about it and he was explaining or maybe it was on his show why he he pokes at the

Hitler thing or he says like team Hitler or whatever he says. It's because he, he, he relates it to all these other, like you just mentioned the Chinese, you know, control and how it killed all these people, how in America we're fully taught to focus on how bad, specifically that one leader, you know, was, right? The Hitler thing is like, you know,

because, dude, I mean, forever, you know, we're not so far off in age, but I remember being a kid and just being like, oh, this is this is the worst, even being in the fate like he's like the devil incarnate like this person is the worst person ever because we're taught that and i think nick was nick always tried to to go on that conversation like well why why are we taught specifically about this one like why is this in all of our textbooks why is this the thing that we focus on as the worst person in the course of history forever

versus all these other people who have done so many terrible things um yeah and i wanted your take on that like that i think that's where his perspective comes from for that like his i was just quote unquote, his support for that, not even support for that. I'd say just like his admiration or why he says it. Because he tries to make a point like, well, why this? Yeah. Why is that the worst? So I saw that clip. Me and him actually texted a little bit about this topic. And then I saw that clip that you're talking about. And I, so I think it's kind of interesting. And I actually kind of, I think, like, I kind of agreed with part of what he was saying. I mean, the way I see it is, I think it's, it's like this.

Look, when you said Hitler is like the devil in, it's not even, he's like him. He is the devil in our society in the popular meaning of the term. And I mean, just all you'd have to do is like test that out. Like, you know, if you were to like just publicly say, I love the devil and then publicly say, I love Adolf Hitler and see which one is the devil in our society, you know? Like that's, it's in many ways like the, the, the, the world that we grew up in was, and I'm not saying, like, obviously, there were Christians and Jews and Muslims and all types of people who were religious, but, like, in terms of the

country, America, we really kind of grew up almost like Martin Luther King was God, Adolf Hitler was the devil. That's kind of the, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you desecrated a statue, there's a Daryl Cooper example that he used, but like, if you desecrated a statue of Jesus, or you desecrated a statue of Martin Luther King, in America in my lifetime, the Martin Luther King one would have been a way bigger outrage by the public.

And like that, by the way, I should tell you something that, you know, it just seems not right to, particularly to any Christian, but just in general, I think it doesn't seem right. But I think it's kind of, you know, World War II was, I think, objectively speaking, it's the worst thing that's ever happened in the world.

You know, the worst, and World War I was at the time, and then World War II topped it. World War II was the worst thing that's ever happened. It's the biggest bloodbath in human history that Europe and America all just went to war. I mean, the fighting wasn't here in America, but like Europe destroyed itself.

Like, I don't know what could be worse than that. That like the most successful, most advanced continent with all their advancements, turn those advancements into weaponry and then just slaughtered people. Something like 60 million people died. uh in in the war and so on all sides right right right all sides yeah yeah yes there's just enormous deaths i mean russians polls germans french i yeah this the french kind of did better in

world war two than world war one but like all just the eastern europe and the fighting in the pacific and the deaths were in the tens of millions and so what happens is because this is the worst thing that's ever happened and then of course the victors write the history books as well I'm not implying anything by that that I'm not saying. This doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen because the Holocaust actually did happen. But it was one component of this huge bloodbath. It happened in the war is when this shit happened.

And so it gets spun as it's got it's the most, it's like the foundational myth of the United States military, industrial, complex world empire. It's the foundational myth of Israel. And again, like Darrell Cooper makes this point. When I say it's a myth, I don't even mean it's not true. I just mean it's like it's the thing.

It is this load bearing story that everything else rests. Yeah, the crops. Yes. And like, and so it becomes this, it's a religion in a way. And so to question any of that. And I think that what Nick's point is, is that it's, or at least this would be my, you know, take that I'd agree with on it, is that that is a religion that is used to, justify the Israel. It's used to justify the U.S. warfare state. It's, and you, like, you don't

have to scratch the surface that hard, dude. I mean, anytime, I've done so many public debates about wars in the last couple years, anytime I was in a debate about Gaza, at one point, the other person will go, well, during World War II, we killed all these civilians. So, by the way, they're not even making an argument, Bradley. They're just going, it happened in World War II. And so obviously you'd have to admit that's right because we all know that like oh in the same way that a christian would say to you well jesus said and like now they're not even like making an argument they're just going well we all know this is true because jesus said this they'll say the same way about world war two well we did it in world war too so doesn't that therefore mean it's justified

and then whenever i was arguing about why we shouldn't be back in ukraine in the war what's the first thing they'd say what are you neville chamberlain are you going to be weak when we all know the move was to be aggressive. Everybody knows that's the one lesson of history that you should always be the aggressor. Because if you make a deal, you know, and so that, and then I think what Nick's point would be also is that

the Holocaust aspect being so elevated is what justifies the kind of permanent status of Jews as victims and therefore means you have to support them even if they're the ones doing the victimizing. And so if he says like, that whole thing ought to be shattered,

I completely agree with him on that. And if he said that like something, which I think he said in that clip, where he said something like, uh, like, look, dude, like if you're Jewish and the Holocaust means something special to you, fine, but you can't expect it to mean something special to me. Like any more than an Armenian can expect you to really care about the Armenian genocide. And I also think that's completely reasonable. I guess the thing that I, I, the only thing that I disagree with is that there's also, I would say, look, at the, very least there's also been other takes or maybe other jokes where it's been a little ambiguous

whether Nick really believes it or whether he's joking about it and there's been a lot of other takes that I were like yeah but you could still agree with everything I just said without having to have that wild take right like I could still agree with all of that and just be like to go after J.D. Vance's wife for being Indian or whatever that's just like come on dude why would we do that there's so many legitimate things to criticize J.D. Vance for so like just criticize him for one of those like I don't know. And at the same time, I also think, like I said before, I'll just say this. It's not even making it about Nick.

I think you could make all the points I just made and also not have to lean into some like pro-Nazi type shit. Because number one, I think that's counterproductive. I think it turns a lot of people off who otherwise maybe would think the first part of that's pretty compelling. But then if you're also on the pro-Nazi side, it's kind of turns to them off. But number two, I just think it's corrosive for your own soul because it's just really not true. Like, even remove the Jews from it completely. Like, dude, the Nazi regime was a fucking brutal goddamn regime. The antithesis of anything that you could call Christianity.

I think they, and none of this stuff is controversial, killed the mentally impaired. You know what I mean? Like, they were like, did sick science experiments on people, launched all types of, wars and kill like it's just it's like there's actually no reason for you to to feel the need to support any of that shit and I think we can break apart that whole paradigm without embracing any any of the other stuff but then again I also think like sometimes Nick says very controversial making it about him again sometimes he says very controversial things but then when he clarifies you're like oh that's actually not that controversial at all like I thought that way you know

they were making a big deal about I actually just saw this earlier today they were making a big deal about him saying, I love Joseph Stalin on Tucker Carlson. And then he, like, when he clarified, he was like, no, I was just saying like he's a great man of history. Obviously, he was a moral monster, but just saying he was a great leader. And you're like, oh, well, that's, I don't know, that's not really that controversial at all then. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like Nick is, I mean, he's obviously very fucking intelligent. I think he says something sometimes because he knows also that it's going to get the sort of

reaction that it gets. I mean, that guy's a fucking genius for all purposes as far as commentary and speaking goes. he was saying like well could you know you said earlier about history being written by the victors could it have been exactly what it was or is it different than what we were told and what we were taught because of the same sort of propaganda machines back then you know obviously now it's different but i think a lot of his criticism comes from that space where like was it exactly what they say like to that exactly yeah i mean i think i think there's um there's all types of like i don't know that people have weird ideas in their head too like i i remember

remember, I was, I got in this whole argument with someone who was calling me a Holocaust denier. And then I remember I was arguing on Twitter about it. And someone said to me, they go, it's pretty simple. Either you believe six million Jews were gassed or you don't. And I was like, first of all, no one believes six million Jews were gassed. That's not even the claim of the Holocaust. Like, what do you, it's like, people just have these like kind of cards. But like, I think to me, what I think is more historically accurate is that, look, dude, the, The Holocaust was real, but it's also so accentuated. And so, like, listen, the truth is that when we joined the war, or maybe when we joined the war,

but certainly when World War II broke out. So maybe before American entry, but when World War II broke out, there is just no question that Joseph Stalin had genocided more people than Adolf Hitler had at that point. So, like, at the point when England was in the war, and at the point when America joined the war, I mean, still probably Stalin was way up on the scoreboard of like who had genocided more people total because it's really

it's really like from four, we join in 42 it's really from 41 to 45 is the Holocaust and so like Stalin had done all his genociding before the war or he had done a lot of it before the war and then if you want to go read up in an interesting chapter in history is like even after World War II Joseph Stalin's army I mean what they did what they did

to win World War II and then in the aftermath of it is, I mean, like the most terrifying just like large scale pogrom in human history just went around like mass rapes, mass murders, mass ethnic cleansing, just horrible things.

Okay, I think the British Empire, I don't know how many people they killed, but they starved a whole bunch of their colonies to death during the war because they just started, you know, they were the biggest empire in the world and they just started taking all the food from their colonies and just leaving the people to starve.

America killed how many millions of people in that war? And I mean, you're talking about crimes like bombing cities while the military was gone. So like all the fighting age men are gone. It's just women and children who you're going around. Just war on the civilian population, including dropping two nuclear weapons on cities full of people. So I think, like, to me, almost the bigger takeaway from that is that it's like when you make the story just the Holocaust and you yada yada yada over all that other stuff it just gives

you like a fun house mirror version of history of reality it's just it's not you know it's when the story is that everybody is committing atrocities on an unthinkable scale and that in the middle of this an atrocity was committed by the german people against the jews of europe like it's just a little bit different than just telling that part of it and leaving out the rest. And I do, look, I'll say something that I don't think Nick made this point, which I don't think this is his concern, but it is mine, at least to some degree, is that I also just think it's really bad for Jewish people. I think it's like the, like paranoia is just like not healthy. And, you know, if you, even if you went to like a psychologist or something like that and let's say you were paranoid for a legitimate

reason because like some trauma had happened in your childhood the role of the psychologist is still not to go like well then you got to be paranoid for the rest of your life because something really horrible happened to you so you got to obsess over that and constantly be paranoid that it could happen to get like that's actually not what healing would look like and you know I was saying this the other day and like okay I understand like yes Nick Fuentes has risen in popularity and yes People are saying a lot of wild stuff on Twitter. But like the idea that we're like on the precipice of another Holocaust, which is like what so many Jewish people are trying to convince themselves of these days, is just not

helpful. I don't think it's accurate. Like why would you live in this world when you don't have to? Like actually you're fine. Like nobody's about to kill you in your family. But like we also can't have a conversation about our government's relationship with Israel. So I get the point that it's like a lot of this stuff. You know, it's like in the same way that say like people on the woke left side of things,

the way they use slavery or Jim Crow or the history of these things to constantly dominate the narrative right now. And then you like lose perspective, you know? It's like, wait, hold on. Actually, you're being the bully right now. You're the one who's like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's, you know, now you get to use this like past injustice. to actually victimize like some white kid in your liberal arts classroom with you right

now. And, and like, you're like, yeah, that's, that's not helpful at all. Yeah, it's, it's, that's, I mean, the whole, the whole white thing is like, yeah, we've been sort of beaten to like, you can't, you can never stand on anything that is white. It's like, if you do that, then you're just wrong immediately. And we've been taught that, that, that's a whole other conversation. And a whole other thing that I think Nick really hits on. And I think, I think, I think why a lot of people are drawn to it because for so long it's just been if you say anything that like is any sort of pro I mean you saw the Sydney Sweeney where the interviewer's like don't you want to say sorry for this and you're just like what the fuck are we doing yeah well good for her good for like understanding

the moment well enough to go like no like I don't why would I budge on this and and yeah I mean it's you know it's kind of hard to like overstate but like the the level of anti-white bigotry and particularly like anti-straight white male you know bigotry over the last like 15 years has just been appalling and it was embraced by every major institution in america including like academia hollywood the mainstream media like the political class big corporate big corporate America just everyone just embraced it and like really vicious bigotry there's like no other thing you could call it it's not just that but it's also like in the back of, you know, they say it's like a racist thing to say replacement theory or whatever,

but it's in the backdrop of mass unwanted immigration, totally changing the racial makeup of like every white country in the world. Yeah. So like it's just, it's crazy. You know, you put white people in this situation where it's like, we are going to like sell you out, take your country from you and mock you the whole time. Yeah. And if you discriminate against you through the law.

Yeah. And if you say anything otherwise, you're just. racist. Right, right. But like while, like slowly these people are essentially being washed out. I mean, it's like, it's just a weird thing, man. No, look, and I think and look, this is part of the reason why I'm a libertarian. I mean, there's like moral reasons why I believe men ought to be free. And I believe that like, you know, capitalism produces prosperity and things like this. But one of the reasons why I'm a libertarian is just because like, even in situations like this, it's like the only, look, the only answer here, the only reasonable answer of how we're going to go

forward at this point is like, okay, well, like, what are our options? Okay. We can all just now, we are a multiracial, multicultural country. There's no change in that now. No matter how many deportations Trump does, this is what our country is. Yeah. So what do we do going forward? Are we all just going to, you know, team up and be tribal, you know, like tribes going to war. It's like genocide, civil war, tribal warfare, or we could all just respect each other as individuals and just say, hey, we're actually just going to solve this with the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights in our Constitution. Everybody's an individual. Everybody has their own rights. That's how we have to treat people moving forward. But if we're going to do that, then there

almost has to be this cultural deal where it's like, look, either everybody gets to have their group identity or nobody gets to have their group identity or everybody gets to have a little bit of their group identity. But it can't be that everyone except straight white men are allowed to have their own group identity. And, and, you know, that stuff where, you know, they'll say the things. I think I saw it at one of the mom-dani after-party things where it's another guy going, white people don't have any culture. It's only, and you're like, oh, dude.

That Hassan guy, yeah. Yeah, was it him saying it? Yeah, white people don't have any culture. Like, what are you talking about, dude? What are you talking about? Europe never produced any culture. It produced the best culture that's ever been produced by far, with no comparison. Like, what world are you talking about, dude?

Who on this side of the Enlightenment could ever tell you that Europe didn't produce the best culture that's ever been produced? obviously there were bad cultures produced by Europe too but like what do you think everyone wants to come here like yeah it's it's it's interesting that's what I'm is it just like this I don't know man it's like everyone does the the measuring game like like exactly what you said I fully agree with like let us all do it or let no one do it and just fucking I don't know I don't know if it's if it's been ingrained enough that like it just that just won't happen or people still just that you know the white guilt they're just like oh well i don't want to say this but it's like you do i'm not saying like you said everyone shouldn't be tribal and fucking try to destroy all the

other tribes that's fucking insane but like everyone should be able to be proud of who they are sure sure you know yeah i completely agree yeah and it's just weird to have any sort of like well you shouldn't be proud to be this be that it's fucking stupid in my opinion and i think it's insane man and i i hope i hope that people do find more pride in themselves no matter if they're white or black or Mexican or I don't give a fuck yeah yeah I I the thing that I hate is the the the measuring in the the well I'm just better like that that's so not human like you take religion out of it and what you believe it's just not human and we've got to that point where I I think it comes from not even an interpersonal thing it really just seems like it's always

speaking I don't know maybe if it's commentators that just want a reaction because they want to get clip like that guy mentioning that like is he doing that willfully because like he really believes that or is he doing that because he wants a reaction the sensationalism around it and because like in day to day with people like I have tons of black friends I have tons of fucking Hispanic and I'm like in person we all get it and we're all like yeah like I'm I'm you should be happy to be whoever you are and whatever you stand for but there's not that like weird oh man you're oh I don't like you because you're this I've never felt like that and I'm just like, is it coming from the top down so that we just, we hate each other so that we're

never looking at who's actually making us feel this way? No, dude. I mean, I know exactly what you mean. And I used to say this all the time that like, you know, you could like, you'd be on Twitter or like you could get lost in YouTube videos or something. And you could just totally be convinced that you're like, yeah, we're on the verge of a race war man. And like, there's about to be another Holocaust and like black people and white people hate each other.

But then you like go outside. and you're like, oh, it's just not like that at all. You know, you go wherever you go, you go to hang out with your buddies or you go to work or you go to the supermarket. It's just like, yeah, actually none of that's happening. Everyone's getting along reasonably well and we're all just living our lives.

And we pretty much all are treating each other like individuals because that's what you end up doing when you get to know people. But I think what you said there, I really think that's like the perfect way to describe it, is that it's anti-human. And I think even your point about telling people they can't have pride and who they are as anti-human. Like, there's something, and I don't mean pride, like, pride's a sin or whatever, but like, I mean, not like to the level of that, but just it's a very human instinct to be like, you know, like, my hometown is the best hometown.

Yeah. And, you know, my, my, my grandma makes the best, you know, the best chili you've ever had in your life is my grandma's chill. You know, it's just like, like, like, a very human thing to be like, kind of have, you want to have a good feeling about who you are, a good feeling about where you're from. And everybody kind of deserves that. That's kind of your birthright. Because, like, you're not responsible for any of the bad things that have happened in the past. And, you know, like, whatever. That's people of all groups have done bad things in the past.

Some people of your group are doing bad things right now. Like, it just doesn't make any sense to hold people responsible for that. And I do think that, you know, your broader question, I do think a lot of that stuff is pushed. I think a lot of the division is pushed. And, like, there's definitely an element to it where, like, people say things for clicks, people say things that are clearly destructive that are not good for the moment we're in, but it's for clicks. You know, this is why you'd see people, you know, trash and Charlie Kirk after he gets murdered

or something like that because you know it's going to go viral, it's going to get a lot of clicks. But you also on some level must know, like, this is really bad for the moment. In this moment right now, you really think we should be doing that? Like, come on. Yeah. It's crazy how much that works, though, to create the division. because I'll give you one example, my mom, right? After the Charlie Kirk thing happened, she's very liberal.

And me and her have your little arguments all the time. And I got the point with her, I'm like, we just can't talk about this shit because it's not good for our relationship. But regardless of that, like, she'll, you know, because she sides on that liberal side of media, because that's what she's fed, right? That's what she watches, fine. She was saying to me how Charlie was such a bad person. And I'm like, well, why? And she'll, she'll, she'll, she basically cite articles or things that she read on Facebook.

She's a little bit older, so she gets herself on Facebook, not really on Twitter, right? And the, the most interesting thing was, and I think this is probably true for a lot of people who just go, this is true versus like trying to actually understand the thing and like the actual conversations that were had around the things that people were go, look, he said this about DEI or he said it about a black woman in regard, but he was talking about in regards to DEI. Anyways, I asked her, I said, have you ever heard of Charlie Kirk before this? And she goes, no. And I said, so everything you know about this person is because of what you read after what was said about him that was weaponized in some way for some agenda, for either right or left, to make him appear this way to capture some or garner some sort of audience into some sort of group think in this direction.

And she was like, well, you're right. like I nothing you you've like have you watched more than two hours or an hour of anything around any of these pieces that they go well he said this but without all context and I said have you watched any of that no so it does it does really happen and that's what I'm saying like us as commentators or you know political pundits people who speak on this there is a real responsibility I think that is overshadowed by whatever group interests that they have overall that I think is really affecting just the majority of people to some extent like again my mother someone who's not in the social space obviously the younger people are a lot more privy to this because they'll go and hopefully try to find more information but it is interesting to see someone have zero understanding of a person and then go what i saw this so that's it and that's how i feel because that person said it and it's just true now to me because he said it in this life yeah and there's this there's this like very tribal like friend enemy distinction that gets like, I don't know,

that gets evoked out of people. Like, it's like, oh, he's on that team. He's on the bad team. It's not my team and it's the other team. Whereas, like, on some level, we all know, like, look, on some level, we all know, look, human beings. Think about what human beings are. Human beings like sports.

And just think about that for a second. Like human beings like to go to a football game and literally get in a row where we're either rooting for this team or this team and, lose our minds like oh yeah over a ball crossing the line soccer they kill each other they kill each other over that game we know and we know this doesn't mean anything we know it doesn't matter whether that ball goes into the net or whether that like this is just a game we know and we'll still get there because that's the way but then at the same time human beings when we're thinking a little bit more clearly we all know that like you know like if you're talking about

judging charlie kirk off one thing you said that that's not really how you judge a person every person you love has had a view or said a thing that you even think was a terrible thing to believe or to say or something like that, you know? And like, I guess one of the things that I think gets me frustrated, and it particularly gets me frustrated when like the powerful clearly attempt to pit us against each other, which they do all the time. They love these culture war issues because it's nothing important is being discussed and we're arguing with each other over nonsense.

Yeah, as they shut off the Epstein Files. Right, right. As they cover up for themselves, they get us arguing. arguing over tranny bathrooms or something like that. Yeah. And there's totally artificial, you know, controversies. And but then also it's like, look, there are these basic things that if we wanted to come together, we could probably get like, I genuinely think, at least I think if we're not there,

at least there's the potential that like 80% maybe of the American people, I mean, we could all come together and just be like, listen, we don't want to have an open border. We don't want to fight forever wars of choice that have nothing to do with America. We don't want to send billions of dollars to other countries. We don't want to debase our currency. We don't want, you know, homeless encampments on our streets. We don't want, like, things that are like real crises right now. You know what I mean?

Like, we don't want to drive. We don't want to spend the next generation into debt that they can't possibly pay back off. Like, there's a real crises that are actually destroying the country. And there's actually probably, we're pretty unified, like, in actually being against all. of these things. And yet we can't come together and do it because we're always fighting about some latest thing. And so I do think the challenge for people like in our position is to try to diffuse that as much as possible and be like, hey, let's actually talk about like the health of our country because that's kind of what really matters. Like I got little kids. They're going to

grow up in this country. That's what I really care about. I really care about them having a good country. If you have friends or a business or whatever, if you plan on starting a family in the future or if you already have one, that's the real concern. It's like getting this country back on the right track. I mean, that's why I do it. I'll be honest. That's why I lean more into this direction of just speaking about any of this stuff in general is because I actually do give a fuck about the future of this. Of obviously my life, my family, the family that I want to have in the future of this country. And the ironic part about what you just, I mean, maybe it's not ironic, a little sad, the unity that we could have and the problems that we could fix,

like if we just stop doing a bunch of nonsense, it could be exactly that. It could be and go in the direction that we wanted to go. And you just hope and you wish that there would be some sort of candidate or political movement or sort of direction that would actually go, yeah, you know what, let's actually just do that. Yeah, like, let's, like, who is going to be that person that actually just does it? Would you ever run for any sort of office or anything like that. Oh, geez. I don't know about that, man. I don't know. I just always, I always saw myself as like being the guy who's good at talking shit about this. I'm good at, I'm good at like telling the truth as I see it, but I don't really know. I mean, the thing about politics, man, is that it's just like

it's so, it's such a poisonous process. You know, it's like democracy is such a mess. And I'm not even saying there's necessarily a better system. I mean, I think a better system is liberty, but like the idea that you got to find a way to appeal to the masses and appeal to the most low information voters, it's just a very tough thing. I don't know if that's my role. I'd certainly, you know, like I think Thomas Massey is the best congressman in the world. I'll support him running for anything he ever runs for. I'll support Rand Paul running for stuff or, you know, any good candidate I'm open to. But I don't know. I just don't think that's for me. Yeah. But But I do think that, you know, like what you said, there is just like there, there's a growing

awakening happening right now. And I think there's a, we got a real fighting shot that that could turn into something very, very positive. And so why not? We got to try then, you know? Like, that's, if there's a shot, then we got to give that a good effort. But I think you're just, you're spot on in what you're saying, man. Like people get caught up in all these distractions.

and it's like you see the way it's like it's like catnip for people like they just they go crazy over these little issues of like when it's you versus your neighbor people get very excited by that and that is the type of stuff that we got to try to move away from yeah do you think do you think nick would ever be president i think he could because you know it's funny because the whole you know the trump thing i mean it was like this guy they're framing like grab her by the pussy he's racist he's everything I mean, Nick, Nick is more than any person I've ever seen, Nick has stretched the Overton window in a way that I would have, I would have just thought it was impossible. So I'm not really in the business accounting him out of anything.

You know, I don't know what he could do. I don't know, you know, like it's hard also because he's so de-platform from so many things still that it's hard to even kind of get a gauge of how. big he really is or how big he would be if he had, you know, like wasn't fighting with two arms tied behind his back, you know, for his whole career. So, you know, I don't know. At this point, there's probably still there's probably a lot of views of his that wouldn't be very palatable to big portions of the American people. I think he's definitely moving the needle in a major way on the national conversation probably more than any other person

I could think of right now and I'm pretty good friends with almost everybody who moves the needle like a lot of people who like are big needle movers and man he is moving it more than anyone right now so who knows who knows what the you know the future might hold

I think that I think the young generation has been red-pilled on a lot of things on the nature of the Israeli government the nature of the American war machine the nature of the that I don't I don't see that toothpaste being put back in the tube and so what the possibilities of who

could be elected in like a few decades from now are when like a lot just you know by the demographics here baby boomers are starting to die like that's where we are now that whole baby boom generation is going out and in the next decade and the decade after that and the decade after that a lot of them are going to

drop dead and these young people are going to be the adults in the room yeah who knows what that political reality looks like what are the what are the main points you think that aren't palpitable from nick that would would hinder it well i do think that um you know again i don't want to put views in his mouth or whatever because even the other day he said look we say a lot of wild stuff but we're joking around with a lot of it but i think like look dude i mean there's only

so many catholics in this country that are not anywhere near a majority the idea of like some type of catholic theocracy or something like that just ain't going to happen in the united states of America. It's just if we were going to be one, it'd be a Protestant one. It wouldn't be a Catholic one. I see. Um, and so there's, there's that. And I do also think that despite many people having, um, you know, despite many people, which I think is a majority popular opinion being against the insane like immigration policies of the last few decades and particularly the last five years, um, I do think that like, you know, I think if Nick, I think if Nick Lee, like, if he leans into the Christianity aspect of his message,

I think that's a message that could have broad popular support and one that could be a force for good. But I think if he leans into some of the more tribal stuff, I think there's just at this point, like in terms of like democratically winning national office or something like that, I think that would be a very tough thing for me to see happening. I see what you're saying.

because the identity politics of this, the religious sort of belief. Yeah, there's a lot of different groups of people who just don't have views like that, you know? Yeah. Well, bro, it's been a fucking pleasure. Thank you for fucking give me your time, for real. I've been, I honestly, I really wanted to do

a podcast really just more about you, but I think because just everything that's going on, we just ended up talking about sort of political talking points and all this shit, but, you know, hopefully in the future we could do something together. love to sit down and have like a real face to face with you just about you as a fucking human because I just find what you've done super interesting and and I think the for some reason the comedy aspect like the fact that you're a comedian uh obviously the fact that you're

a Jewish and your voice in this space right now is very unique and very like I'm grateful for it is what I'm saying and I and I love what you're doing for real and so I just want to let you know that and if there's any time in the future in LA I'd love to have you on personally and talk more just about you as a human. Oh, absolutely. Well, I really appreciate that, and I'll hitch up next time I'm in L.A. I'd love to do that.

I enjoyed this. I usually don't talk with skinny guys. I'm usually not for that, but I'll make an exception for you. Anyway, I got to go lift some weights, dude. All right, brother. Thank you so much for your time. All right, take it easy, brother.

See you, Dave.