RAWTALK - Dom Mazzetti Quits Bro Science..BRO’S Vs. Is Back!

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down Mike Tornabene or "Dom Mazzetti" & talks feeling burnt out on Bro Science, Bringing Back BRO'S VS & much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: Prize Picks Use code “BRADLEY”& Make your first $5 line up & get $50 whether you WIN OR LOSE!https://prizepicks.onelink.me/ivHR/BRAD Sponsored by: Huel Get Huel today with this exclusive offer of 15% OFF + a FREE Gift! at www.huel.com/rawtalk #ad #huelpartner

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Use code Bradley. They'll give you $50 on your first $5 lineup. Let's get into this podcast. Get you around these parts, huh? Look at you, man. Wait, you're playing a fucking character right now? No, I'm saying. Like, you're getting around these parts.

This is you, me and you. Look at us. Look at us. Who would have thought? Back in town. Who would have thought me and you looking like this? Looking like this. Mostly you looking like that.

Like, who know who would have thought? Yeah. Me looking like. They knew I'd come like this. We're wearing jeans and. No, honestly, I switched my whole fit because I saw yours. I did. I'm a trend setter.

What's it like being back in your old house? Oh, dude, it's weird. I actually really enjoyed living here. You know, it's funny. You know, my mind is so weird. I don't know why it goes there. I immediately think about where all the spots you probably like did your business out and like we're sitting in this room.

A lot of times you could fucking see it. Bro. Like in the pool. Dude, I can't tell you. Holy shit. I'd come. I'd like, I'd open the front door because you could see through the back. And I'd be like, okay, I'm not going to, I'm going to go to my room.

Yeah. At least, at least you wouldn't look. No, yeah. I think other people would. Other people would fucking do the dishes. Yeah. The only time they'd ever do dishes, I'm in the fucking. They never did the dishes.

It was like, face pressed against the window. They're like, oh, Mike's in the pool again with a chick. Yeah. Yeah, you had a little run and then it got serious. Yeah. Life's weird, huh? Life is crazy. But, yeah, it's fun to being back.

Where's your favorite spot in this room? There's the couch right here. Couch, I probably did a lot of damage right here. It did, yeah. The bed, though, it was, it was just, like, there's mirrors surrounding the whole fucking thing. The bed is a perfect height. It's just, like, it's a small place to, like, live entirely. Like, I had everything in this spot, and it was actually just, like, ideal.

Yeah. I had, like, I had furniture from, like, my house growing up that, like, it was, like, passed down to me that I fit in here. Just, like, the one bedroom and I had just, like, little fridge. Like, that was my fridge in a microwave. Yeah. And I made it work. It was nice. Simple things you actually eat. It was funny because when the fires came, this one, I really felt that. I was like, because the fires, there was a fire close by and they were like, I got an alert. And right before the alert, I was like hanging out with my

mom. And I was like, let's go check out the fire that's up the street jokingly. And the next see, you know, they're like, you should get ready to leave. And I was packing up all my stuff and you realize how quickly like, you don't really need much shit. I mean, obviously you don't want to lose all your shit. Yeah. But the things that I was like, okay, what's most important is like my dogs, my guns and like some documents dude i had the same thought because i was like it was coming through santa monica and i and my mom had to evacuate and i was like you know maybe we should just like get ready to get out of here as well and so i went around my house and i was like my dog documents my laptop and hard drives yeah and i was like uh it would suck to lose all this it would be like

you know to have to rebuild that you don't probably realize what you're going to need until you have to do it but yeah man like it it makes you realize like what's it's really you're important that really matters i just like got to make sure the dog is good yeah yeah i was like i thought about being if i was like out oh man dude like i was gonna go to miami for for a stream and i was like someone watching but if you're like out working right and you're like it just happens you got to fucking get your dog yeah yeah i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't and the crazy thing here about it now is that all these families are just like not going to rebuild because they they didn't have the insurance or it's like you don't who has the money to just like rebuild a

house. And also the cue time of waiting for the rebuild is going to be nuts. I wonder what's going to actually happen with all that area. I had no idea. I feel like it's always like, you know, you get the conspiracy. It's always like some play of like, oh, they're going to fucking, you know, big companies are coming by all the land and fucking build condos or some shit. Like that's what it feels like. I mean, if people aren't going to, you know, rebuild and no one's going to buy it. I heard 70% people are not trying to rebuild because they can't. Yeah. They just can't. So like, we know. Fuck. Yeah. Big business. But how you been? How's life? Life's good, man. I'm just, just focusing on work, really. Honestly, like,

start of the year's been pretty uneventful as far as, like, exciting things happening, but I'm just, like, figuring out what, you know, what's in, what's in store next. There's a lot of, like, transitional things with business, a lot of scaling and building and, you know, figuring out what's next for bro science and Domazetti and for my clothing brand and just, you know, what I want to accomplish and what I want to focus on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's kind of why I brought you here today. Because I was, I was, you know, I don't always get in those weird moods where I'm like, man, I want to do something different. But lately I've been really just, like put jeans on. Like put jeans on in the cowboy hat, no. But, but it dressed like a normal human. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

But I have just spent so much time over, like, obviously I love the podcast stuff. I'll never stop this. I enjoy it so much. But as far as content and making content, because you and I can both relate, you even more so, you've been doing it for so many years that like at some point, you're kind of like, man, what the fuck am i doing yeah and like what am i what am i really having fun doing and yeah that's where i'm at and i've definitely been like damn and i so i was thinking back on all the stuff that i've done and how much fun i've had and i was trying to think of the times when i had the most fun

and then this leads me to that instant thought of pull up the video go to bro's verse on youtube and i was like this content is is probably the content that i miss the most. I love the banner we haven't changed in 2016. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to do this again. Oh, yeah. And so that's why I brought you here was to force you to

talk about it. To tease the audience again with another one of our threatening to bring. Look, I love how we did one video last year. And then four years ago. We're like pros versus back, maybe. One video. Yeah, that's classic of your character, though. It is classic. It is. I just like to tease you with it. mean like we'll get into the the nitty gritty of it but there's a there's a reason that it just

hasn't really clicked and it's just like you know between all the businesses that we do and the priorities and just trying to figure out like what what we enjoy what we can make money doing it's just at least for me it's been a process of um just finding that path and I think with bro's verse we've always loved it but struggle to figure out how to make it make sense financially to the point where like we can afford to put our effort into it prioritize it because when it got popular in 2016 it was demonetized and ad revenue was dog shit then bro and then like we were like all right let's let's bring it back and what was it 20 fucking a year ago 20 23 i mean it's coming up on two years to be honest yeah it's lying so yeah

yeah uh we're like let's do this but i think we were still both figuring out what was you know what was going on with like our personal brands and trying to figure that um and what i wanted to do with the character so we just get again stepped away from it but I think I think this time is the perfect storm yeah I do I think the the kind of crazy idea I came up with I was I was thinking that if we did it in a format because obviously now it's all just like streaming driven clip driven I think if we do a live stream version of this sort of show and then obviously post the videos to YouTube I think that's like the fucking I don't think you can get better than that because I remember specifically the reason why I say this

is talking about what I actually enjoyed doing. And I think that's important for fucking anyone if you're trying to succeed at anything eventually. Because if you don't enjoy it, you're just, you're going to fucking eventually stop and it's not going to work. Yeah. And so I was, again,

I thinking about all the, what the fuck is in my mouth? God damn. Clip that? Yeah, Jesus, please don't put that. I was thinking about all the things that I really enjoyed. And I remember the times when we would film these videos, like the genuine hilariousness

that would happen off camera because they would see the edited version and sometimes the bloopers obviously but still not all of it I unequivocally can say that out of all the content I've ever filmed I've laughed I've never laughed as hard

filming this content like off camera oh yeah and so my perception is like because the live stream is becoming such a popular thing that if we were able to do that same content on a live stream and then obviously cut up make it a YouTube video, I think it would be nuts. I think people would see, like, just a different level of fucking, because I always felt

like if, if, you know, when you do something and you watch your own content and you're like, a lot of people think it's funny, you've had this for years. You made fucking comedy fitness videos forever. Yeah. Would you agree that if you'd watch back your video and see something that you said was funny? And if you thought was funny, then you knew it was really funny. Well, that's the best part about this. Like, when I, when I do bro science, it's pretty rare that by the time I'd get to

filming, I'm laughing at what I do because it's scripted. And I take a long time writing that script. Like, I'll, I'll think of the joke and I might laugh in that moment, but I'll move the words around. I'll move, like, I'll change the sentence. I'll, like, look at it a million times. I'll rehearse it. I'll memorize it. I'll deliver the line. I'll do it again. So by the time I'm shooting, I'm not really laughing. And the only times I'm laughing is like, if it's just like, if I deliver it in such a way or if I add improv to it. So I don't really get that part of it. Um, and then if when I get to the edit, sometimes I'll laugh at it because I can see my delivery on it. Yeah. And like, then I know it's really good, but it's, it's very rare. But

with, with bro's verse, since it's all improv, I'm not even really aware of some of the things I'm saying or doing or how it's being delivered. So when I edit it and I watch it back, I'm seeing it as a viewer basically. And I'm watching it like, yo, this shit was so fucking funny. Like there's certain inflections and deliveries and words and just like actions that are done that like when I am in character and doing these things, I'm not really fully aware of it. Like, I'll remember some of the funnier jokes, but some of the things that like make us really laugh, it just totally miss because we're just rolling with it. Yeah. So when I'm laughing not only like when we do it, but when I watch the edit back, I'm fucking cracking up to myself. And when I like edit it together,

like when I did the, um, the Super Bowl commercial edit. Yeah. Dude, I was fucking crying when I was like, I was editing like the, the doll going out the fucking window. I was crying when I was editing that and so like every part every part of it is great and a lot of fun so um i know exactly what you mean when you're like when you watch it back and it's still just as good if not better than when you were doing it then it's then it's something and so the idea that i was thinking like that concept knowing that it feels that way and that that's what it is that if we do it live then they capture all of it so i think us doing it for example on like a platform like twitch and filming it like live streaming us like live streaming us filming it i think is what is that's that's the play

And I think you get like really great insight too because not a lot of people know how it's done. Like because it is improv, but we do it so well, it does seem like, you know, what's scripted and what's not, like how you see the finished product and then even the outtakes, you just see the laughter. You don't really see when we take time in between beats to like figure out maybe certain directions or certain jokes or we're like, we think of something in the moment. And I'd find that that people would find that, you know, pretty interesting to watch because like we will have a concept we'll have you know here's the topic here's the concept here's the beats the beginning

middle and end and then we'll just kind of go with it and some are a little bit more structured than others and some are a little bit more loose where you can watch us come up with it on the spot yeah and then seeing the jokes come up with on the spot like you'll feel like you are a part of it because you'll be seeing you know nadeem our filmer because i think we should have two cameras one to shoot the live yeah and then one to shoot the youtube videos one so i don't have to edit through five hours of fucking footage every time we do a YouTube video and the other so because the deem is a character in it. Yes. So to see his character play off of us and also see the three of us come up with things on the spot and see where it goes and like get a real insight into how

it's done. You'll feel like you are there with us and also like, you know, possibly contributing to that. Yeah, yeah. Because like I was saying like for me, the most fun, I've never laughed as hard as I laughed actually filming these videos. Because we'll like do these moments where obviously you don't see because it's cut out, but then we'll stop and talk about, like, what we're doing and be like, we'll say this or say that, or I get your face straight again. And it reminds me of, it's straight up that shit, like, in school when you're not supposed to laugh. Oh, dude. It's like, you're like, picturing it now, you're like tight-lipped. You're like, don't, like, don't ruin the scene. You're like looking away. Do you remember the, of course, the wine video? So funny.

Because you posted it recently, and that's what gave me the idea. And then I went and looked back to video when we were doing this, the, uh, the tasting. Rustic. I'll never forget. Because you were like, no, you got to say something that doesn't make sense. Yeah. And I swear I said it and you just blew up. It was just so funny.

So shit like that is like, is fucking, I want to have fun making content. Can we play some of the most recent outtakes? Which the van one? Yeah, masculinity one. Yeah, click that one. As I haven't watched this in a, I haven't watched the outtakes since I made it. Shit, Mike. Test!

Do you want me test it? Just talk normally. Fucking swing on it. I was talking normally. Dude, that bomb thing. You'll get my leftovers. How many virgins are supposed to say? 72.

Okay. I'm 73. Yeah, I'm like 73 actually. Okay. I swear to God, bro, I'll do it. I'll fucking let go all this thing. Well, we're both gonna go to Halal, dude. Hallal?

Yeah, there's gonna be 72 virgins up there waiting for us. Oh, it's 72. Oh, 73, actually. You gotta ask about the pipe bomb. Like, why do you have the pipe bomb? Okay. Yeah. I kind of get mad that it's, can I get mad?

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can I get mad that it's real? Like, kind of get a little scared. I think it's real? Yeah.

Okay. And action. well first of all okay I know I get it okay I know you're a little crazy listen though you know many people die by guns versus pipe bombs well that's just because less people are throwing pipe bombs around see like this I'm like we were there yeah we've done every step of it and I'm like interested in watching this yeah see it happen like unfold live it's like I'll also say like just also dumb ass shit that it's just I don't know if I think there's the contrast Because, like, that shit, I always crack up at, like, when you just deliver a deadpan line that's, like, either true or calling out how ridiculous it is.

Because, like, that made me laugh. You're like, if people aren't just fucking throwing pipe bombs, which, like, brought me out of this insane moment as Dom who's, like, you know, believing what I'm saying. And I thought of this image of people just chucking fucking pipe bombs. And it made me crack up thinking, like, this is the world in Dom's head where, like, he's actually like, yeah, this makes sense. And, like, in a weird way, in Dom's logic, it does. but I think it's yeah I think like you get a good sample of what it would be like because you see us not not only like the bloopers and outtakes from us laughing yeah but stopping and being like hey like oh let's restructure this like you got to talk about the pipe bomb you got to do this yeah and then we reset and like go back into character it's so funny yeah it's exactly that feeling of like all right like you're in class fucking all right get it together and like deliver this deliver this the right way but bro so I guess I got a question for you it just not so much about this specifically um but But the Domazetti character, I mean, I know, because I've spoken to you, plenty of times off camera, but how actually burnt out are you on that? I am burnt out on bro science in the way that it is currently.

And I think it makes me feel like I'm burnt out on the character. It's sometimes hard to divorce those two feelings. You're like, am I, is it just because I'm doing it in a specific way that I'm tired of doing it that way? or do I just like, am I just tired of playing this character? I've asked myself that question all the way down to like, am I tired of doing comedy? Like it's got to that point where I was like, I don't even know if I want to do comedy anymore,

like straight comedy. I want to have like comedic elements in the things I do, but I don't know if it was something that I was like, yeah, I just want to make a comedy channel, you know, a sitcom, a comedy movie. I wasn't sure if I wanted to continue doing that because I had done it for so long and put so much material into into these,

videos, like all these jokes and I just felt like I didn't have a ton of passion for it. But then when I think about the character and I watch stuff like this, I'm like, I'm great at this. Like, I know that this is something that I've mastered. I have a gift for this and I don't want to waste it. And I don't believe I have. But I think like, there's still something left for me to do with it. And I consider like, what do I want to do with it? Like, do I want to continue making bro science videos? No. Do I want to abandon the character? No. So like what can happen there? And I think about, you said what I have fun doing, but also like what I feel is is really valuable and a new thing to explore with like my creativity, which I think is important for me. It's like why I start different

things and the clothing brand because there's other aspects of what I do that I want to explore. and bro science sometimes feels like I'm really just locked into a cage of doing it a certain way. With this, there's that element of improv and being in character in real time, which I feel like not a lot of people can do. Yeah. And I have done it so long and I do it so well that like I find that, you know, really rewarding and fulfilling to do. And it's also just a lot of fun.

Yeah. So I think that's, yeah, I think there is more I want to. do with it. Like, I don't want to kill it off, but I'm, I was just like, for a long time kind of searching about, like, what was next for me. Yeah. And obviously it needs to make sense financially. Like, I can't do this shit for free. Like, this is how I put food on my table. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, hopefully we can fucking figure it out. We just have to convince the demon. It's funny because we came up with this idea and we didn't tell him it. No, he's not even looped to him. Yeah. Me and you were, I was like, dude, it's a great idea.

We got to do this. And then I, before this podcast started, I was like, we should call him a demon tell him we're going to do this we just like it's such a good idea because he is he is a he is definitely a integral part yeah yeah he's definitely a part of it it's he's a funny character and i love how there's like there's a lot of history with this that just works really well like the the jokes between uh you and i and nadeem we call him terrain and it's just like you know i think like i oftentimes think about why this setup works for for bros verse um And it's, when I think about who would play alongside Dom as a character, the one question is always like, why would this person go along with what Dom is doing, right? Like, he's, he's an asshole,

he's an idiot, he's greedy, and he's manipulated. It's like, so why, why would anyone in their right mind listen to him? Now you think somebody who is, you know, kind of beneath Dom in a way, maybe younger or smaller or like intimidated by him would be bullied into doing it. But then you feel bad for that person and you don't no longer really like dom yeah so you think about somebody like you where it's like you're you wouldn't imagine this guy to be like coerced into something like this yeah and the the bullying just comes from this like this insecurity within dom but also you going along with it makes it so much funnier than some like you know little minion it's like it's funnier if you're the minion and you're like okay i think like i think this makes sense yeah and it's just like a perfect

blend because like you don't feel bad for for you and thus i don't become the villain and it's just this kind of like thing where we're both we're both just idiots on this yeah it's hilarious it's funny too because this like i did a lot of i mean i made so much content over the years but this was the first version of at least in my internet career where i became the butt of the joke and then it stuck forever yeah because then steve will do it did it yeah nope did it it's like even Steinie will try to do it like in podcast format to my credit though I think I think I did it in a way where like it can't it didn't come from a place of like you were just there to be made fun of it was like it started from the gym and I was just there to be made fun of for all the other ones

fuck I don't know because like it started from a place of like the gym nemesis video yeah where Dom was like it it was about the insecurities in somebody seeing somebody and sizing them up and refusing to let this person be bigger than them so like that's where it all came from and like it made sense in the world where like the joke of you know dom's like i'm bigger than you like it's it's different if like obviously you were not right as as uh you know you weren't just not you were just not i was not what bigger than me at any point ever no i like yeah i was no like any point ever in ever in your life i think just like bigger like you know like even like a measurement of like occupying importance no no just like physically never bigger

like literally quite physically like pound for pound the comments dude yeah well the comments are lies though they've always been lied they've dude how many comments that should have yeah they've always been lied it's so funny to try to talk about it and still want to protect the joke i'm like i'm like i really want to share the insights behind it but i also don't want to give up the fucking joke isn't it crazy how you youtube was it was such a different place man like we would get like what like 10 million eight we're getting crazy views on shit and then i'll never forget that came and just washed us. 2016.

Yeah, it was... Actually, the views didn't get hit that hard. It was just, we couldn't make any money from it. It was all demonetized. Like, and even if it was, because I remember this with bro science, like, my bro science stuff didn't all get demonetized, but it, overnight, I was earning a third of what my ad revenue was for the same views. It was just dog shit revenue at the time.

So, like, we made nothing off this. And so, like, obviously we're going to go, like, this is fun, but, like, we have all these other businesses that are growing and making us money and providing for us. How can we realistically justify pulling time away from that to do this thing, which was the equivalent of a couple of kids with a camera making sketches? Yeah. You know, like we were like, we already have something that's working. How can we justify it? So it was just kind of like unfortunate timing. And I think like, I think I'm just like too early to a lot of things. But I think this time. Yeah, really. Because like here's an example. We did a bros verse podcast.

podcast in 2017. We did, yeah. That's like seven years before the trend of like real the podcast shit. Yeah. We were already making fun of it. Yeah. But like I think it just hopefully this time is like right on the money when it comes to combining all the things that are working when you see streaming, YouTube being just a bigger

platform in general for people watching long form content, the clips, all that stuff can be pulled from like one shoot. Now we have four different pieces of content. We have the stream. I think it's the best time ever for this because it's also something that in the streaming world is there's no one, zero people are doing this type of content. Yeah. It's like, I think people will see and be like, wow, this is actually really fucking funny.

I genuinely believe that, which is why I think it's a fucking great idea. And I also think it's like you get to see what it's like to be on the set of creating something that's similar to like a television show because this is to me shot and edited, well, maybe not shot, but like it's put together to feel like it's a sitcom. I love how you shot at Nadim right there because it's shot by Nadim, it's edited by you. You're like, maybe not shot, but edited. I'm like put together, like the idea, the concept, the structure. Like, it's all crude.

Like, it doesn't look like a TV show, but it's like it feels like a sitcom. You know, it's not a vlog. There's characters. There's plot. There's like, there's a beginning, middle, and end mostly to it. And that's not usually something you see, you know, on the internet in general, but especially not when it's stream. I wish we shot one like two days ago when everyone was going crazy about TikTok being canceled. Because I just feel like Don would be the greatest character to be like,

yeah, that shit's fucking lame, but then be like crashing out about TikTok being gone. I'm sure we could get to it. And, you know, there's going to be some change. There's always stuff. There's always something. Yeah. That's the one thing I like about it as well is, like,

it can always continue to live because it's based on sort of current things. Yeah. Like even just all the stuff that you've ever done is like based on current, you know, either trends in the fitness space or trends on social media related to fitness or bodybuilding and like it's always kind of something new that you can kind of go towards that people will be able to be like oh i get it yeah that's that's the that's the other reason why i also think it's it's perfect timing is that obviously uh you know medium aside twitch

etc whatever streaming platform the content also like podcasting is like every every day there's something new and every day or every week or every month there's something that's like virally talked about and in this format you can kind of address it you know in this kind of insane fashion i just think it's fucking maybe we're i'm just trying to like i don't know i'm just making myself sound really cool right now or i sound really cool but i don't give a fuck because i i think we just like it man i love it like like we yeah i agree with you i think it's because the challenge with with bro science and it's it is a bit of a challenge when it comes to bro's versus like there's there's layers beneath all the stuff that make it you know really um

It would make it so popular. It's not just like the over-the-top humor that everyone's there for. It's like the messages beneath it and like what I'm talking about, the observations I'm making, what I'm breaking down. And that's easier to do when you're scripting because you have time to think about it. You create that harder to do when you're when you have improv, but it comes from like the structure of it where you think like this is the topic. How do we deliver a message within this and then have a lot of fun in between that? And so there are some elements of like, you know, there's we talk about let's do a video on TikTok. I'm going to think about what are like the underlying messages about this?

What are some of the other like points that are hidden beneath this umbrella of like TikTok being canceled? And then we go, these are the things we want to touch on. Yeah, China spying on us. People, you know, what are people going to do when they lose their following? Like people are not prepared for what happens if you lose your following like that or if you lose your following gradually as most people do with just relevancy. Like people get viral and then don't.

don't, don't know what to do with the rest of their life now. And they maybe put all their eggs in that basket and all of a sudden that basket's gone. And then they're going to start putting their fries in the bag. Engines fog, dude. So there's like, you start there and then you go to like the deeper things that people like really connect with or that they, they want to like talk about themselves. You know, everyone makes a joke. Oh, you're going to be working at McDonald's now.

It's like, okay, that's cool. There's obviously people are on the same page about something. But I think we can find a funnier, deeper. I just want to go to McDonald's and shoot us you trying to get a job at McDonald's like in real time. I think. Are you guys hiring? I think the funny thing too about about Roseverse is like almost all the videos are about

Dom trying to make money. It's like some scheme to get rich and famous. And there's always something. And I think it's just like it's like pinky in the brain. Yeah, it's exactly what reminds you. I watch that shit so much about the kid. It's so funny, man. So yeah, I think we're just going down memory lane and really.

I know. It's just reminiscent. This scene, dude. Good times. I think I'm just, I had the most fun and I think about the content I made. I'm like, over the years, I'm like, this is the kind of content I would like to continue to make outside of what I already do. Yeah, yeah. Because I just got so burnt out, you know, kind of going back to the question I asked you earlier about feeling burnt out, I got so burnt out. I'm like, I can't make gym videos forever, man. Nobody can. Yeah. I mean, that's why you see these cycles of fitness and, you know, it kind of dies out and people

like, well, I started as a fitness influence or what am I doing next, kind of to go back to what I was saying about the TikTok thing, you're like, it's only so much you can do. And if you don't make, you know, a certain amount of success in that time, you're going to go, okay, what's next for me? I can't. I've already said what needs to be said in fitness or feel like you've exhausted that. So, yeah, man, I agree with you. I think, I think the people wanted. Yeah. I think we, I think we've teased them enough. Yeah, every time we, it's like, it's just a little bad. Yeah, I do too. Because they're hearing this and, like, like dude you guys are fucking lying again you're gonna do it once and you're like that something

came up man bros versus lying first video we're kidding we lied yeah one time we're out i can't believe you fucking fell for that fool me three times dude you fucking fool him a hundred times dude it's just one of the running jokes on your page was i always found hilarious was like oh rent must be dude it's like this guy's finally got another video yeah every time rents do so what else in the rest of your life how's how's like you know you're like me little older no family yet yeah yeah how do you feel about that six uh do you and also well let me preface the question yeah how do you feel about that but also do you think that doing this for so long with so much hyper focus and fixation has slowed that down for you um so hard hard to say like it's

I've always been a relationship-focused kind of person when it comes to like, I'm either completely single or I'm dating somebody who I like, I want to take seriously. I don't like kind of casually in between. Your whole life? Yeah. Yeah. Because like I wanted either like fully invest in something or just like I just want to fully invest in something. If that's being single, I want to be fully single. I don't want to like kind of entertain sort of casual relationships which are just a distraction or you kind of like start to feel maybe some pressure. or some responsibility of this person where now you can't just, like, be fully single and free.

And if I'm in a relationship, it's because I want to be in that relationship. I'm not looking for something else. I don't need somebody to just kind of be there to occupy my time or to, like, keep me from being alone. Like, I'm fine without it. So if I'm going to enter it, it's because it's additive to my life

and I want to keep it there. And you've always been that way. Always. Yeah. I've been the opposite of that. Yeah. It's a different story. Yeah.

So with that in mind, And it was never like I can't entertain both that my career was sort of like taking over everything where I couldn't find the space for somebody. It wasn't necessarily mature enough to like handle both. It's just like relationships didn't work out. Timing wasn't right. I think there probably is a factor in that what I do and how it affects my life and my growth, I guess, is probably affecting.

it in a way that I'm not fully aware of, you know, just like the path of my life is different than some people where it's just a little bit more like laid out and, you know, they have a secure job and, you know, they meet somebody at that job and then they get married and I'm like, even now, I'm like, what's next for me? You know, there's still a lot I want to accomplish. So I think right now, as relationships have been, you know, an important part of like an ultimate goal for me. Like, I do think life is better spent, you know, with somebody and shared with somebody that, like, you truly connect with. If it's, if it's, I'm not going to force it. And right now, there's just, like, a lot I really want to focus on. Yeah. And relationships have just been

challenging. And I'm not going to, like, continue to carve out, like, more and more space for this. And I know that there's, like, there is a ton more I need to focus on. So right now, more than ever, I might be a little bit more focused on, on the career and just, like, doing that. maybe it's just a little bit of fatigue from being like you know what i think because i'm for so many years and it it shows in your and i don't think i've ever told you this but in your personality and everything that you do and everything we've done together i've seen it as well um you're obviously a great fucking guy great we've even had falling out times i've come back and i'm sorry and you know you're a great person no doubt about that i think you have such a standard

or such a perfectionist ideal in a lot of ways that i think you're looking for something not that you can't have because of course you could have all the things all the box checked but and again I'm giving advice and I'm not saying like I figured out because you know God willing hopefully I will I haven't

I think that's the thing for you is like it's it's got to be almost like exactly how you want it because I know your personality in a lot of ways is kind of that it shows that and what you do and it works for all of this shit but I think I think maybe that's part of the thing for you

and I don't know I'm trying to be a fucking therapist or anything but I don't I don't I just, I guess I've never said it to you, but I think that's maybe where it's harder. Yeah, I see that. I definitely see the perfectionist tendencies and where they can become not so helpful and things where like you can't really control certain aspects, like you can in creating content, like in a relationship or other people. Yeah.

I think for me, it boils down to what feels genuine. I like, I cannot do something fully that does not feel authentic to me when it comes to like, especially relationships like if I'm not feeling it like it's just I just can't do it and I'm not it doesn't I can't see a path forward where this deserves more time and more energy so it's like unless I really feel it and this really feels like it aligns with me it's just not going to work and so like there's less opportunity for connection for me then because I do take it more seriously it's not that I'm like when I meet somebody like jump right into something but I have to know that like I feel there's a certain level of like connection to it that it can grow

or turn into something or evolve from something or that it starts at a place of, you know, of even deeper connection. But I think just looking at a lot of the things I do, finding that balance between what works, what makes sense for you without being a perfectionist, but is also genuine to what you want to do. I think that's kind of what this is, right?

Like there's, it hasn't worked in a number of ways because of timing or other priorities or other considerations. But it's always felt right. It's always felt like this is genuinely what I enjoy. And I want to find a way to make this work. It doesn't need to be perfect, but it does need to feel like this is where I'm meant to be. And I take that same mentality into a relationship or a business I'm starting. Like I didn't do this just to get famous. I didn't do this for the money. Like, yeah, those things are great. But like, that's not going to fill me. That's not going to keep me moving on. If it was, then I would just put all of that into bro science. To be like, well, this is the thing. thing that got me all the, you know, the success. So like, just double down on that. I'm like, no, there's certain parts of this that, like, really speak to me in an authentic way. And I want more of that in my life because, like, that's, to me, the whole purpose of this is to, you know, find something that really aligns with you and share that with people. And you're talking about this or just life in general? Life in general. Yeah. Career's relationship. And I think, like,

it does end up feeling a little perfectionist. And I think there is some work I need to do in making sure that like i don't go too far into that trap yeah because it's it's not everything is going to be perfect but yeah i guess the question i when i hear you speak is like the because i do this a lot it's like i know or i don't know so i'll know it i'll know it i'll know it or i won't know it and what i mean by that is like it it'll be what i want in my mind and my mind is maybe so much more optimistic about what it what it actually is yeah the potential the potential of it yeah that like all sometimes look away from what it really in reality emotion aside what it really is yeah yeah yeah i think i think i think human beings tend to do that in general just like look at the potential

and and um i it's i find that interesting because it does kind of go against how i would create content where i see things very clearly i'm like like, this is, I know exactly what to do and how to manipulate this to make it feel this way and come out this way. And I can be a perfectionist when it comes to creating media and entertainment. You can't do that with other people. Like you, like, and so you, you start to try to, your brain tries to make patterns to make it feel like it is fitting these boxes. And so you're going to ignore the other things because, like, you can't change that. And nor should you want to, Like, I don't want to apply the same philosophy towards relationships that I do towards media.

Like, I don't want to, like, create the perfect partner. I just want it to feel right. But, like, your brain will try to be like, well, this shows a lot of promise. You can work with this. And then you're kind of like, well, there's all this shit that you're just like, this probably isn't that challenging. And I think maybe some of that comes from, like, how we're used to solving problems in business and being, I guess entrepreneurs, I don't like saying that because it's just like so overused. But the idea of like you are set out on your own with a goal and you're given a challenge

and that challenge, you don't go, forget this thing. You go, how do I overcome this? Yeah. And so you kind of, I think instinctively think about that with relationships. You don't see red flags as I'm going to quit. You see it as like, oh, this is interesting. How do I work with this? Is this something I can work with?

Is this an opportunity? Because now I see like all the failures that have happened in my businesses and in my professional life, I see them as like, this is needed to happen. This is a learning. This is a lesson for me to learn, you know, where I need to be going. And so I'm not like turned off by these red flags and certain things I do professionally because like I needed them to go wrong. Yeah. But you can't really do that same thing with a relationship because sometimes you do just need to look at it and go, this is not right for me and leave. It's hard when your brain is usually going. when something is off, this is a problem, and I'm a problem solver, and I'm going to fix it. And I'm going to learn how to overcome this. And you can't do that with everything. And that's, it's hard when that's, like, kind of the basis of how you've created everything in your life. Yeah, that, like, summed up all my relationship problems. Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. Thanks, man. That'll be $300 fucking dollars. Yeah, thank you so much for coming, bro. That's, that's honestly why I brought you here.

Yeah. No, but, I mean, I've had, you've had issues and relationships. You've had your own fucking hurdles. So, yeah, that's why, I mean, that's why I talk to you about. I mean, I talk about this shit off camera too but yeah yeah i wanted to bring it up because i think i have a lot of conversations with you off camera and just candidly are they're they're always really good yeah and i was i was i always felt i know you've never been that sort of content creator to like make content just about you as a human yeah because you know you're fucking domizetti and i remember when i first brought that up to you like years ago you're like i i think your original point of like i don't know Was because you felt like people would, would judge the character differently.

Yeah. Because of who they found out who you actually were. Some people do. I mean, and I think, like, as I've gotten older and experiments and more with different things, content-wise and career-wise. Because before you, I'm sorry, interrupt, but some people literally think that you are that, like, Domazetti's a real. Yeah. especially years ago when like myself and the fan base were younger there was a lot more of people believing i was like i've had people come up to me and be like like yeah is he really

like that i'm like no he's a fucking like what that's so that's i mean a tribute to you man you did fucking you did a great job well like i said i just i i'm when i'm doing something i'm fully in on it i'm in on it fuck all the red flags i was so fucking committed to it but um yeah i think like that's one thing I'm learning recently is just to be more like, because I do have a whole separate other business that doesn't use the Domazetti stuff to be successful. And I'm learning more about what it is that I want to share and what it is that people connect with. And it is more of these personal things like me sharing stories about, you know, growing up and not having a ton of confidence and learning what that means through all these different stages of my life

from, you know, 16 years old to 36 and hoping that that can can help other people understand their confidence, find it. And going to do the things that like I kind of had to figure out of my own that, you know, if I can be that source of guidance for somebody else, then that's to me very fulfilling. And that's something I can't really do is Dom. And it's only done accidentally where people are like, you inspired me to go to the gym because you made it more approachable. that's great and I love that but that's not what that content is necessarily for and so I want to do more things that

when it comes to my personal stuff that does talk about that that people find value in and can help like just with some of the hurdles that I've faced and you know just giving back I mean confidence is one specific thing that's stood out with the confidence thing like also confidence is such a thing

that is it's it's wavering yeah you can you never it's never something to keep if you can't you don't just have it like it's something you have to like build and understand and and learn how to like regain and learn how to fortify but it's never just you don't just get it and keep it is not like you just like I became confident like you learn how to have it in certain scenarios and and that's that's what I'm learning is like because I've just subjected myself just to so many different things when like you've spent your entire adult life on the internet as a different character as yourself as all these things like relationships that are like online and whatever you're like

okay I've learned all this how do I help other people get yeah get there faster and like because people are looking for mentorship and I didn't necessarily have that in figuring this out myself yeah yeah same bro same I'm still trying to figure it out well fuck oh that's I think that's the thing man it's like it's always something to figure out and and once you kind of understand that then you can you're easy it's easier to recognize you know how to just get there faster like right now I'm trying to think like where where do I feel most confident how do I access it so quickly and it's interesting having this character because like I can be in character and just like have this veneer of confidence because I know exactly what I'm doing there's a there's a goal

it's just be funny yeah that's it so I can I don't have any outside noise I I know exactly what I'm doing. I can have tunnel vision when it comes to this. But as a human being, my goal is not just be funny. Then I'm just kind of an asshole. Maybe I'm not making real connections. There's other parts of my personality. So it's not this very direct thing where I can turn on the confidence for the character

like that. And I think about that. I'm like, how do I access that in real life? What it is about that, that character that is confidence that I can use in my personal life. And so understanding that in scenarios that you feel confident or feel insecure and, like, self-reflecting, you can learn a little bit more about yourself. And when you do, you know how to pull yourself out of the hole or you know how to, like, give that, bring that energy that you need. And it's never there all the time.

So that's why it's always like you have to figure it out in different stages. All the time. Yeah. You go figure out all the time. All the time. It never stops. Like that's, it never ever stops. And like, once you realize that, that's, you know, it's a little freeing.

Yeah. yeah except you want it and then you're sad that you don't fucking have it yeah sorry sad boy hours yeah yeah totally but um okay so besides the relationship stuff yeah um are you are you you keep up with like current shit like what do you like inauguration stuff politically you don't really talk about you don't really no it's it's not it's not really what what people look to me for it's not really like where where i want to speak on like kind of what i was saying before what what feels authentic to me it's like if it's if it's not something that um i feel i have real value in discussing like you know it's not yeah not it yeah i feel like so many people now like that's

they they they end up like going directly towards that especially on social media because it's such a low-hanging fruit of i could talk about this and get people's attention and that's what makes it tough it's like you don't really know where people genuinely like how they genuinely feel like are you jumping on this because you know it gets views where like where where do you really feel and like I've heard directly from like certain creators been like oh like this is I've done this because I know it gets a ton of views and so I'm going to be on this side of this argument and this and it's just like where are you really yeah and I just like I kind of I can't really I just don't want to get involved with that like I said it's just for me like I I'm I'm I'm a storyteller I'm I want to

share things that matter to me and that I feel, you know, have value to other people. And then every once in a while, I would do like Bros vs. World War III. Because it's like, you take those current events and like there, if I have something to say on it, that's, that's where it all comes from. And that's why it's like

that's what makes comedy good. It makes anything good. Like, what do you have to say about this? Right. Not just what's going to get clicks. What do you have to say about this particular thing? And that's where all the bro science stuff comes from. And I'm just running out of things to say. I'm running out of like, what do I really want to talk about? Yeah, I get you. And so that's why

it's harder to write scripts. It's like, it's not going to make the best content for you as a viewer. Um, so when we do stuff like World War III, I'm like, oh, I've got this, like, I want to say something about this. Yeah. I have something I want to say. It's a particular point of view. And I think that's really what, what it is is like your value comes from your point of view. That's why people are watching you, watching me. And it's so you want to be genuine to your point of view. And if you're just chasing the algorithm and chasing clicks, you don't have a point of view anymore. You're just somebody who accidentally gets views. And so I just, I'd rather just try to find what feels right and what people connect with. And like, it's a weird

medium for it to be where you're like, you look at this collection of stuff. Like, what does this have to do with point of view? What does it have to do with your message? But like, there's always something in there. And I think it's just like makes it fun. Yeah. And which is why I think, like if I just look at content in general, like why, because we've been doing this now for literally fucking me I think 15 you probably like I don't know 20 years my first viral video was 2010 so 15 years 15 years yeah and it's like watching it progress over all these years and seeing what people obviously like you said they get attached to an algorithm or to like some you know in most cases some divisive point of view and then they go that direction yeah but I feel like

the content creators that like right now are becoming the most popular are the streamers it's kind of where my idea originally was like, we should do this on the streaming platform in this way because I think people are starting to wake up to the idea of they're just doing this just for views to offer a lot of different, not just fitness, but a bunch of different niches. And I think the people who now are getting the most popular

are not when they're like fitting in whatever exact niche, but they're just, this is who I am. And I'm talking about the things that I'm like, why these streamers, because I'll hear a lot of mixed sort of opinions on these like really popular streamers like oh they don't do shit they just sit there and talk about whatever and whatever like this sort of like negative connotation is around like what they're doing and it not being like that entertaining yeah and then but i understand that the real reason why they're getting so much engagement or viewership is because number one they're

consistent yeah but number two they're just them you know what i'm saying like they're them and they're talking about real life shit and maybe it's in a different format but i think people are moving towards more real content now than ever. Things that feel like genuine to the situation and not like contrived or forced just for a view. Yeah, I could see that. I don't, I'm not too caught up with the streaming stuff. So it's all very new for me. But I can, I can see where that, that level of authenticity is, is hard to fake when you're just live for hours at a time. So like, you have to have some sort of personality that people can connect with. Number one. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and if you are faking it or chasing an algorithm like you you can do that in bites you can do

that in little segments but for for hours at a time i'd imagine that would be pretty difficult to like keep up with so i think like it from what little i understand about streaming it seems like people just really want to connect with an individual and really like have that like i want to be feel like i'm a part of this this person like a friend of this person you know come along for this trip, like, communicate with them and, like, like, real-life friends. Yeah. Which is kind of weird. It's like, it's a little bit sad, but also kind of cool.

Like, I don't have, like, there's a lot of negative points of view when it comes to looking at social media, but sometimes, like, I like to just see the positive stuff for it. Because, like, as somebody who started this because I wanted to be an entertainer, you know, a filmmaker or whatever, like, I went to school for this stuff, I think it's incredible that we have platforms to share things that we truly care about. And so people like, oh, put the phone down and like this and like, it's just this highly real of this. It's like, this is incredible. We have this thing to connect with people that will never, we'd never ever be able to connect with without it. And so it feels a little sad. We were like, get real life friends, but also like. Yeah, when they say touch grass. Yeah. But at the same time, like maybe you can do both. Like you can now connect with people that you couldn't before and you can learn more about an individual. Oh, Bruce versus touching grass, bro.

I'm having such a great idea. Touching grass. Holy shit. Just like I can, taking all these cameras, like I'm just like, I've fully invested in just being a streamer or like all the fucking content I could make. And you're like,

do you need to touch grass? Yeah, you got some with a fucking Snapchat. You got something like that'd be so funny. Because I'm just looking now with this room just like filled the fucking camera. But then like you got to be like in the park somewhere like physically touching grass. I am though, bro. Just carrying grass with me all the time.

He just have a pocket full of fucking soil and grass. it's so funny yeah but shit like that no but it's it's true it is definitely it's it's social media at its core is about community yeah that's what it is it's just been used you know now it's becoming because it's so the mainstream now that it's like you know it's it's used by massive corporations it's used by all these people to like you know sway people's sort of opinions why i kind of ask you about politics not that i really wanted to get into it but yeah it's used for all these other things that it feels that that part of it feels less human yeah like at its best it's a place for community at its worst it's just a cesspool for clout and you know business um but i don't know man

i think i think it's like i think it's cool like you know a lot of people are just like oh be in the moment and we you can do both like and i think that that is at its best what it is like if i look at all the best times I've had. I guess I'm in the moment. But if I've recorded that and then I make a piece of content that I really love, like I know when I really like something, I edit it and it doesn't, and time just goes by. I'm locked in. I'm like, I love doing this. The songs I put on there, the way I edit it, like I feel great about this piece of content. I go, I can't wait to share this with people. That's me, social media at its best. And not only that, we do things for the memories. Because that, you experience it and it's gone. And all you're left for,

this is memories. And now you can look back and be like, this is a living memory I have. I have so much of the greatest moments of my life online that I can look at and be like, I've created a story for myself. I can go back and watch. It's not just like posted randomly. Like I created something that I truly love and I put online and I get to watch it and people are like, oh, this is something we get to tell our kids about. And like, I won't have to. I can show my kids this. I can be like, this is what I was doing. And like I, I'm like a live journal. Yeah. And it's like I can, I remember certain things I've done, and I watched the YouTube video back or the clip back, the reels back I've made, or the montage, and I'm like, this feels incredible.

I'm like reliving it over and over, and it's just like, I'm, there's just more to be had out of this memory that just kind of sometimes fades without it. And I think if used at its best, it's an incredible thing, social media, but it can also just be pretty mindless and toxic. So it's hard, and I just like, I just try to stay. try to know where my compass is pointed. Yeah. Is there anything in your career content-wise or stuff you've done that you, like, regret doing?

No. Or like, at least, or maybe like bigger learning curves. You're like, man, I could have done that differently? Oh, done it differently, just about everything. Yeah. Like, there's so much, like, like I said, it's either timing or a lack of experience or knowledge from me. Because I feel like I've done a lot of things that have been, like, successful, but not to the point of where I would like them to be or a lot of projects that like kind of get put on ice. And so in retrospect, I'm like, yeah, I would have

done this differently. And I think I don't just like avoid that topic or go, oh, well, blah, blah, I go, no, like, analyze this. What could I have learned from this? How do I adopt this now? I don't want to make the same mistakes twice, but I also want to be too hard on myself that I just like blew it. Because the reality is I did the best I could with what I had. And if I look back and the answer is I could have done a little bit more here and a little bit more here, like I I wasn't aware of that, you know, like, now I am. So I can be honest with myself about where my shortcomings were, the mistakes I made, what I was, you know, maybe chasing the wrong things or not putting enough work into this, where at the time, it felt like I was. And now I can be honest and

know how to do that again. Because you never know with the timing of this shit. So like, yeah, all of the stuff I've done, there was at least one thing I would have done different. Everything. Yeah, I get it. And all I can do now is look at it and be like, well, do it better next time. for sure yeah what about the because the one that sticks out to me the most i just remember um when you were going to have a show i think the rock and seven bucks production someone was going to make a show about domazetti yeah um this was like way back when like they Hollywood had a just started being like oh this is a thing you youtube is really a thing yeah and you were going to do a show and from what i remember um it didn't work out because of the sort of uh they picked it and they're

like yeah we like this is going to be a great show this bro science domazetti character and then this is what i remember you could share it and then this is what i remember you could share but they like said yes and then I guess you had started doing stuff and they just wanted it completely different yeah um yeah that's that's the short of it uh you know we were new to to the Hollywood thing that was always the goal like being early on YouTube it was never a home because like the goal was you didn't no one really made like big careers out of it it was like few people did, but it kind of was like a launching pad for, you know, to get to traditional media. That's what I wanted to do anyway. I wanted to create a TV show. That was my ultimate

goal. And being at like the height of popularity in like 2016, 2017 for bro science, the opportunity came about, which was like, which was the goal. It was never create this YouTube channel. It was always get big enough so we can go to Hollywood. Yeah. Right. And so I never treated it like it was, this is my, the YouTube channel is my permanent place and we're going to grow that as big as possible. So we're new to dealing with Hollywood executives, and Hollywood is new to dealing with internet people. They don't take you seriously.

Not at that time. They're like, no, we're going to elevate your content. We're going to bring you to the big leagues. And we're like, so you want, what are you looking for here? We want a million views in this video. I'm like, I do two million views of video. What the fuck are you elevating? You're going to tell me how to elevate.

Like, no, you brought me in here to create this shit. we're trying to bring it we're trying to take what I do best and bring it to another a platform that's bigger through you know better production better distribution right you know just amplify what I do not not you change what I do and you tell me how to make my stuff better and that's what it ended up being was like a lot of like well we we're we're going to we're going to make this for TV that we know better we know better and it's like you guys brought me here not just because I'm a clown. I don't just make jokes. Like, I got where I got because my instincts for entertainment. Right. My instincts for storytelling. And you're going to ignore all them. I did this all

alone. I didn't have, I didn't come off of some collaboration. I didn't have some sort of, you know, studio backing me or whatever. Like, I built this from scratch. And now here we are working together. And these people are like, well, I know better because I'm, I'm in this position at this company. And there were so many of those different people where they wanted to put their stamp on it. The director wanted to make it his thing. The, you know, the executive producer above him wanted, wanted to be this person above that. And it turns out there was only one true fan of bro science in that whole company. And that's why it like got to that stage. Everyone else just didn't really give a shit. They just saw it as a vehicle to put their name on it. And so it just kind

have changed and we made a lot of concessions because they kept saying, well, you know, you're, you got to play ball. This is how it works. You know, you, you guys are, you don't have the juice yet to like negotiate these types of things. And so you'd make one minor change and be like, all right, you know what? This isn't, this isn't the hill I want to die on when it comes to this show. Like, this is important. This is huge. Like, I'm not, it's not lost on me that like, we're getting to the next level and there's a lot for us to learn. But it was never like, the people telling me what to do I didn't respect they did not have a better grasp on what this was than I did and I think it was just a bad it was a bad team um and a lack of respect for creators at the time now I think people have a little bit more respect for that way more yeah so like they didn't take me seriously and so they thought oh I know better because I've been in traditional media my whole life so how did that actually end um it like I said these These minor concessions turned into, it was always, well, this came from the top.

It's a non-negotiable. You have to, it came from way at the top. What are we going to do? Okay. All these, these minor things, it was just like death by a thousand cuts. You know, you look at it and you go like, oh, this is fine. And then by the time they put it together, you go, I don't recognize this thing. Yeah.

And I literally got to the point where I was like, you cannot pay me to do this. This is not what I set out to do. Yeah. If this became a show, I don't want to be a part of it. And that was like my lifelong goal was to do that. Such a crazy thing. And it eventually got to the point where like the, the pilot was made and they were getting ready to pitch it. And they were like, we actually, we want to soften it even more.

And I'm like, no, I'm telling my manager. I'm like, no, like, I'm not doing this. I was like, this is already so watered down. And they were like, all right, well, what about this? Take your name, take your name off of it. You'll be a creator of it. It won't be a Domazetti thing. but they'll sell the idea for a gym sitcom.

I'm like, this sounds ideal, all right? Like, I'm going to get paid as a creator of this. They're going to sell some different thing. It's not a Domazetti, bro science thing. It doesn't represent, like, my, everything I've built, but it's still something to get my foot in the door and I'll be a creator on. I was like, this actually sounds like an ideal setup.

And then eventually they just go, nah, never mind, we're not moving forward with it. We got nothing from it. I didn't get paid a dime, nothing. Yeah. How long did you spend working on that? Half a year. Fuck. Yeah.

And they're just like, yeah, we don't give a fuck. No. Yeah. And it kind of, it sent me spinning. And that, that was the first time that I was not sure what I wanted to do. Yeah. Like, I was laser focused and everything I did was hockey stick growth from the moment I had my first viral video. I was like, I know exactly what I want to do.

And then I got there and it made me question. I was like, is this really what I want to do? Yeah. Do I really want to be, like, answering it to people? people like this all the time and compromising on the things that I know best on, like, do I have to? And I stopped and thought, well, no, I don't because we have this platform here. And yeah, maybe it's not at this time getting me where I truly wanted to be, but maybe it could be. So now it was the first time I actually look back at YouTube and go, maybe this is the home.

The unfortunate thing was I was already seven years into making content. Yeah. So do I have the juice for it? The timing was different now. And I'm like, dude, I, I'm not sure. But I wish I knew that sooner. I wish either that or like the peak of my stuff happened when there was more infrastructure to support the success. Right. So I look at it and I'm like, okay, what's next?

And I think for many years I was trying to figure that out. And that's like kind of where I ended up. And then bros verse. That's it, dude. It's kind of crazy. Like that was, my compass was just directly pointed there. And after that, that, you know, pilot with the Rocks company. it just went fucking spinning man

and I was like and I don't necessarily know if that was a bad thing because I never stopped in question is this really what I want to do with the rest of my life? And let's say that thing took off maybe I made a bunch of money

but now I'm like locked into playing this character in a certain way that maybe I don't love and then once that's done I've given up my YouTube channel I don't have that who knows so like I try not to look at it in a way of like

oh I missed I missed my opportunity and more like the compass and spinning because maybe you needed to recalibrate it yeah and I can give an example in my life that's directly the same was the competition stuff because I did the you know I made the fitness content but prior to making the fitness content for so many years I was like deep in fucking I was doing I was on Instagram and I'm making photos making videos whatever but my goal at the time this is like 2011 2010 it was like before I ever got on YouTube and I'm just started

filming like you know not even filming I think we're just pictures at the time on Instagram but it was like, okay, I'm gonna be a bodybuilder. And so my first step into that industry was Ben's physique when the category first came out. And I learned very quickly that not unsimilar to the Hollywood thing, it's all this political, who you know, how many people are coming to this show and what coach has, how many people

and those people get looked at by the judges and those people win and those people do better than if you're some random guy. And I remember I got all the way up to the point where I got second place at a show. that every single show after that they gave two pro cards out. I just felt so, so I got second place and was like, what the fuck? And I got, this is back in Facebook was like the thing.

Yeah. So I'm on Facebook and people are sending me messages. Like, I've never got this many messages in my life. They're like, you got robbed, you got robbed. Like people who are like in this small community. Yeah. But to me it was so loud because I was also so young and I wasn't as versed and all these things. And I remember feeling so disheartened like, damn, this was like my shot.

And then I found out that, you know, the guy who beat me won because he was someone's client. And they brought a bunch of people to them. that show and they've been looking at it for and like I got told this directly and I was like this is the lamest fucking industry ever and this is back on the day I think they've corrected it since then because the internet has forced them to because it's so there's so much scrutiny now right you can yeah you can see everything that happens and you could get and then there's so much feedback now from the audience so you can be like this is bullshit you could see everything every photo go look at the other guy's page be like why did that guy not win you know now it's it's I think

they've they've corrected it but I remember feeling so disheartened because like my goal was I'm going to be a bodybuilder I didn't think I was going to be like a YouTube or any of that shit. And so I remember I started to like just focus on Instagram and then my Instagram started to blow up. And then I got invited back to come to the show. This guy at the time, Lee Thompson, I don't think he's a part of the MPC anymore.

But he goes, come do my show. And at this point now, I'm popular. Yeah. Come to my show, you'll win. I go to the show. What do you think? What do you think happened? He literally told me the guy who promotes a show,

owns the show, and what do you think happened? Not that I looked bad, I won. But then I was like, okay, this is so dog shit that, like, I could have been the better guy all these other times. And I know I was a better guy that one time. And I got shunned to the side because, you know, whatever money's involved and whoever's here. And I just remember being like, yo, fuck this shit, fuck these people. And I full focus. But at the time, like you said, I was like, whoa, what's going on with my life?

Like, what am I doing? Where am I going? What the fuck's happening? Like, I spent all this time, effort, energy towards this thing. And I'm just getting, like, shit it on. and then to see the oh you're popular now come here and then win that was it for me yeah i was like fuck this shit fuck these people i'm focusing on this and at the time was like the hardest thing for me to accept but then it became the best thing i ever did in my life right one of the best things

i've ever done right because then it turned into everything else that i have today yeah so i mean that's just that's just life and i think the thing that's significant for people to understand is that you don't always get that answer, like that month or that day or that, you know, that week when it happens and you're fucking spinning and spinning. Because I get that feeling of like, whoa, what the fuck is actually, what am I doing? Like your identity's all wrapped into something and you don't have it. You get the answer for whatever that is. It just, it could take years. And for me, I look back, I'm like, damn, that was one of the best things that ever happened to me. And at the time, it was the worst thing in my life. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know,

I could say this about my father passing when I was young. One of the worst things. possible for anyone, but all those things made me who I am and allowed me to have what I have today. And I just think it's important to talk about that kind of shit because so many people hear this kind of shit, but it is really that, I'm that fucking certain that there is no escaping this life. There's no escaping, like, bad things happening and not working out how you want to work out, but there's always so much more. It's just not when you want it. Yeah, I agree. I think that's kind of what I was saying before about looking at challenges and going, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, you know.

But when you were in it, it's hard to say that. It's hard to say that, especially because I was younger. Yeah. And that was my first taste of failure. Yeah. Like everything else I did, I was like, dude, I am, I'm the best. I'm the man. That's exactly all I felt.

Everything I touch turns to gold and I have the fucking proof. And that was my first, like, real failure. And I was like, well, okay, okay. And that was not just like a failure. Like, sure, there's other things I did that maybe didn't like pop, but like, I said, I think the time now, I think everything I did just fucking skyrocketed. Yeah, I was crushing. Yeah, I was fucking killing it. But that was like, that was the biggest failure. Because like, from the moment I went into college, I knew what I

wanted to do. I want to make a TV show. I want to make a comedy TV show. And that was 2006. So 11 years later, I've got my shot. I've had all this success. And it doesn't fuck. And it just flops. And I'm like, oh, so this is, this is failure. Yeah. So this is it. This, this, it didn't work out. I'm not used to that. I'm used to things not working out when you're hungry, right? Like, because I tried a ton of different things before it took off. Yeah. Nothing worked. That's fine. I've never experienced success. So failure doesn't feel that bad. In contrast, it's just failure is neutral. Yeah. Failure is I'm here. when you're experiencing all success and you hit your first failure,

then it's like, oh, fuck. The contrast is so high. And you're like, damn, am I a failure? Yeah, who the fuck am I? And when you never experienced that, you're not, you don't really know what to make of it. And so it did send me spinning way longer than it would now. And I wouldn't, it took me forever to really adopt that mindset of like,

yeah, this, this sucks, this hurts, but learn from it. There's almost an excitement now that comes with certain failures where I'm like, oh, cool. Okay, now I have, I have information. I've got data I can use to figure this out where sometimes with success, you don't get that same feedback. Like, you will get more direct feedback from your failures and you will your successes. Like in my clothing brand in particular, I had one drop that just absolutely crushed. And we kept trying to replicate that and couldn't figure out exactly how to do it.

and we didn't learn a ton from that. We learned a ton from not succeeding on the other drops. We're like, okay, this isn't working. We're narrowing it down. We're learning. We're getting better. But chasing that one thing and always trying to replicate that one success never happened. I had to learn like, it might have happened by accident.

It might have just been a timing thing. But you need to learn what not to do just as much as you need to learn what to do. So now it's like a lot, the bounce back, the resilience from, from, from, failure is much quicker because I see it as like, okay, take that moment to feel this. Like, don't ignore what you're actually feeling from this. Like, you know, take your time to like gather yourself. You know, that, that hurt. That sucks. But then self-reflect. Look on it. What did I, what did I learn from this? What can I do better? Where is this pointing me? Like, this, this, good thing or a bad thing, it happened. Okay, so here's where I am. What am I going to do

with this? Am I going to, am I going to give up? Me like, I failed back to whatever. I don't even know back to whatever it looks like for me. So I just have to keep moving forward. And so when shit doesn't work out, all I'm left with is like, what can I pull from this? And it took me a long time to get there because you do have a, when you're younger

and experience in that, you have a bit of a victim mentality and you're like, damn, why me? Why do this happen? Fuck this person for screwing this up. You know, I could sit here and blame the whole team at the production company for ruining my dream. And yeah, they had a hand in it not going well,

but I don't say you fuck my life up. I'm like, I learn from this. Maybe this isn't where I want to be. And so the faster you can kind of recognize that, the faster you can get back on your feet and just find out what truly is right for you. And I think, like, it's exciting to know what isn't right for you just as much as it is to know what is.

Like learning what isn't right is just you're getting closer, man. You're just getting to figuring it out. And like, you're spending less time just scanning and trying to understand it. And it's hard because honestly, when you're taking loss after loss after loss, loss, you're like, I do need a win because I do need to, like, refill this tank. So, but sometimes all you have to look at is like, just trust that if, if you are confident in

yourself and you believe in it and you're honest with yourself and you can look at these failures and go, I was wrong here, I can improve here, I can be better here, then your, your only option is to move forward. And then, you know, it just, it stings a little bit less. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. The answer, rose verse, dude. That's the show. Yeah. I really believe it. I think it's a lot of fun, man.

I think so. Yeah. So we got to, how do we convince the Dean? I just think he needs to see our text messages. Yeah. He didn't answer the call or this or this. No, he's playing hard to get. Yeah, he is.

Maybe we just, maybe we just show him the pot and say you don't have a choice. Yeah. Be like, yeah. People said yes. You got a strong arm. We have all the leverage. Oh, he does. Yeah.

We'll call him terrain. We'll call them terrain and say, you don't have a choice, brother. We'll make them cook for us and then just, because he's so good at that. But yeah, honestly, realistic steps, though, so that, you know, we're not just bullshitting. Yeah. Get the live stuff set up. Yeah, I got that. Let's come up with a bunch of ideas.

Let's actually think about what this is going to look like when we shoot it. Answer all these questions of how do we engage with the chat? How does their involvement when we're shooting these things? How do we keep the, you know, things on track and on focus when we're, when we're, when we're creating without the noise of this but also involving them just kind of like picture every step of the way what we're going to do answer those questions know how this is going to work from a business standpoint from the consistency standpoint and then start to fucking do it's like i i do want to and i don't want to keep line a little tequila a lot of tequila that's the answer

little shot get it going hey man that's dude i'm telling you we got to do i think maybe the first one is, can we do that on Twitch? I don't even know if you could do it on Twitch. Do what? Drinking games. I wouldn't know. Yeah, I don't know if you could do that on Twitter. I'll check. Because that was one of my favorite. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. That was one of my favorite. I've got a couple

ideas. I don't want to say it on the podcast, because I don't know when this is coming out versus when they'll come out, but I've got a couple of really funny ones that are topical and like very, very brosverse in the sense of like yeah um what the the scheme is to make money so yeah 70 30 yeah so you got 30% yeah oh I'm totally fucking with you oh god that's a bit of itself fuck we just that's such a dumb thing we're sitting here like talking about bringing you back and we're just constantly negotiating and we keep going in with like tactics and we're watching like gurus about brosvers bros verse bro bro that's actually fucking hilarious yeah dude we're we're

We're like, yeah, we're bringing it back. And we're like live stream it. And we just get fucking heated. We're like, we're done. And we'll never bring this shit back again. Bro, that's the video. Hostel takeover. Holy shit.

I don't need you, bro. I'll get a robot. AI robot. Fuck you. Fuck you, dude. And we try to like. We can get a robot for real. Oh my God.

We try to do it. We try to do it on our own with like different fucking things. It's so funny. That's great. I'll be like, yeah, dude. I'll just get a fucking farm animal. I don't care. Yeah.

We'll rent a goat. An actual donkey and it's just like, oh, Bradley. They won't know the difference. Oh, fuck, dude. That's, oh, God. This is, and see, like, that is so genuine to me because I like, that's one of my favorite processes. Just like, making the topic. Yeah.

There's so much shit. So funny. What the fuck? Let me keep calling. Oh, Nadeem's calling. Perfect. Oh, shit. Perfect timing.

Look at that. We're about to write you off. Perfect time. We were going to find a new videographer. I'm with my fucking cowboy brother. What you mean, bro? This is how I dress, how I always dress. What the fuck you're talking about?

Don't gaslight him, dude. Yeah, what the hell? He's always looked like that. You want a street fight me? Dude, so we decided that you don't have a choice in your life decisions anymore regarding our life decisions. Yeah, and if you say no, you're going to let all these people down that we promised that we're going to bring this back. Yeah, we just did a whole podcast.

You kind of don't have a choice. Yeah. Tell me what's going on first. We're going to do Brosverse, but live stream and film. Like, so we're going to film you filming us while we're filming the lot. Like, the live stream is going to be filming us, filming us, you filming. I'll take care of this. Yeah, maybe, so Mike will help you out with that.

Yeah. So we're going to do Brosverse like we always do it. You're going to film like you always film. But we're going to live stream the process of us shooting it. So you get to see the behind the scenes. You get to see the bloopers. You get to see how we create it. And then we just edit the video like we normally do.

I'll edit the stuff that you shot. There I have two cameras, one to shoot the live stream, you to shoot the actual video. I'll edit the video for YouTube, post that on the channel. Then we'll also post the bloopers. We have the live stream and then we have the clip. So one video is four different. Yeah. So I can also handle this.

You also just kind of don't have a choice, man. Sorry, brother. Okay, but are we going to do more than one episode? Hang up on him Hang up on him Yeah, we were just talking about that Yeah, I just told you One episode is four episodes, dude

Yeah, that's four One is four No, but but that's the plan Dude, I think that's the I think the internet Ain't has not seen it Especially live streaming Remember, let me know when

Oh, he's, are you still in L.A., right? Yeah, I am unemployed, so Fuck, yes. Oh, dude, I love your misfortune Love your misfortune right now. It works. We love you. you're the best dude can you bring us can you cook us a steak though wait how far are you from uh

whatever LA okay all right perfect that's good all right you're in all right okay zero okay zero percent all right cool I love you bro I'm kidding obviously no we got to get to Dean paid dude yeah for sure easy yeah yeah that's it man we're we're locked that was perfect timing that was yeah holy shit finally I love unemployed Yeah, it's great. He's honestly one of the best videographers. Oh, he's funny, man. Yeah, he really, it really adds.

Yeah. Very funny. Well, I think we did it. I think we win. I think that's it. That's it. Unless there's anything else you want to talk about. I think I'm good. You sure? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, well. All right, it's hit it. Seventy 30. My guy, I got 70. Okay. You still can't get me, brother. I'm too strong. I'm too strong. I'm way too strong. Thank you.