RAWTALK - Eddie Hall vs. Brian Shaw...

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with the Worlds Strongest Man Eddie Hall & talks life outside of lifting, upcoming movie roll, his worst injury & much more! Sponsored by: TRANSCEND Use code "RAWTALK" for 15% OFF https://www.Transcendcompany.com/rawtalk Sponsored by: Versa Gripps Use code "BRADLEY15" for 15% OFF Get Versa Gripps Here: https://www.versagripps.com/collections/versa-gripps?utm_source=event&utm_medium=other&utm_campaign=bradley_june_2024

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Let's get back into this podcast. Are you in a fucking plane? It's like a scorpion chair with the screens are hung in front of me from above. Holy shit. Okay, I actually have seen one of those. I've seen one of those before. Are you a big gamer? Now and again, it's more from my son.

He is a big gamer, so. Yeah. You're not a big gamer. It's not. I figured that was something you do. A little bit, yeah, I like Call the Duty. I just think at the time, if I had the time, I would. Yeah, yeah, I get you.

A lazy Sunday, I'll have a bash on Call the Duty now and again, yeah. I get it. So how have you been, man? I haven't seen you for a long time. Thank you for taking this call. How's life? Yeah, no, I'm good, mate. I'm good.

Bloody Owens the last time we saw each other. Probably, um, was that that, um, it's probably the world's strongest man. Yeah. Sacramento, was it? Yes, yeah. Was that, 2002? Yeah. I'm going to say.

I think that was right before you fought Thor, I think. Or it was either right before or right after. Probably sounds about, yeah, so 22, yeah. Sounds about right. So I guess, I mean, obviously, bro, you've done so much different shit. Obviously, the world's strongest man stuff is like the kind of like the cornerstone of what you've done. What do you enjoy the most of what you've done? Like, did you like the boxing stuff?

Obviously, the world strongest man, you did the longest. Yeah. I mean, I loved, I love competing in Strongman. I just love the testing, it put your body through. The sort of weekly PBs and progressing your body every single week. I guess what I loved is pushing the human body to the absolute limit. And I thoroughly enjoyed doing that, like training every week, day in, day out, just pushing myself to the absolute extreme.

of the extremes um to get these insane little moments of victory and uh self-worth you know like the like the five and tequila deadlift and winning the will strongest man that's that's winning the will strongest man was 10 oh sorry no 15 plus years of hard solid graft yeah in the gym um just for that one special day where you compete at will strongest man and win a big gold

trophy yeah man i mean bro you i just i'll never i'll never forget when i first seen you i think when i first seen you were like not in real life but pictures of you i think it was when you were like above 400 pounds yeah yeah and you were just you just like you like had this like uh almost like balloon look you were so fucking big you were huge i was sappheric um that there's there's an image of me after an event at a giant's live that was taken And I just feel that I'm stood next to a normal guy who's six foot tall and, you know, probably a good 240 pounds-ish. And he stood next to me.

And I'm just that ballooned in the shoulders and arms and my head is absolutely ginormous. It honestly looked like somebody had drawn me. Like it just looked so ridiculous. But yeah, I mean, at my peak, I was 433 pounds at six foot, two and a bit height. that's why I always found out really impressive about you you were you were competing with these guys who are you know essentially some of the best strong men

are like they're like six eight they're like they're just six they're tall they're massive you always competed like as a smaller not that you're short by any means but for that game you were you were one of the shorter ones yeah no 100% I think when I won I was I think it was the shortest in the final boring best I think it was the second shortest and you're completely right I, and from my personal experience,

I always find the taller people just tend to be stronger. You know, they just have to have to put as much effort in. They're just stronger. They've just got longer levers, more muscle mass. They just tend to be stronger people. That's just the way the world works.

You know, these big seven foot basket players, they might look tall and stringy, but telling you now, they will be fucking majorly strong. Yeah. If they put the mass on, if they obviously put the training towards it.

So you've had, you've had a lot of like I was Googling you and I was like no this isn't true did you ever did you actually ever injure your penis you got a lot of injuries so so I did yeah no I did I um I think I was only young like 19 maybe 21 and at the gym I went to had these steel plates you know I could go to old school gym you just have the old cast iron plates and on the leg press, I used to fill, the hammer strength leg press, it'd be like a two tier leg press. Yeah.

And I'd always fill it, like, stack it. And I suppose at that age, you're a little bit showy offy. So I always make sure I'd slam the plates on really fucking hard, just so it made an echo around the gym. You know, you did with steel plates. Classic gym bro shit. It is, yeah. And I say, I was just every, like doing a set, slamming these plates on, doing a set,

slamming these plates on. And then I did a set. I didn't some more weight on went to slam it and there was no dink and my fucking dick I must have been stood too close my dick was just like just like an inch just sort of trapped it and fuck me the blood that came out of my fucking shorts was surreal so yeah I did wait what is the what is the recovery like did your dick's like not work after that for a while or like I mean I was going for a period where you know working the doors um had a lot of i don't know what you call them affairs um i slept with a lot of girls at that age

and um yeah i think it was a real a real hurtful time in my in my life because you know couldn't you couldn't have sex for probably about three months it was a right mess i had to go the hospital and get stitches oh there were stitches on your dick uh-huh yeah recovery's probably nuts man it was it wasn't nice yeah it wasn't nice yeah and every time you got a hard on it, like rip open and ever finish. Nice, nice, nice, okay. What's your worst injury of all time? Ooh.

Because the Strongman shit's so, like, so, I mean, as far as sports go, like, things that are fucking difficult and chances of injury, that has to be, like, the highest level of, like, your chances of injury are, like, way up. I mean, yes, I would agree with you, but I'd say most of my injuries, my worst injuries have come after Strongman. I would say, you know, I've had, when I say hundreds, I probably have had hundreds of tears, like muscle tears in the pecks, the triceps, the biceps, all through a strong man career. I think the only thing that I actually tore off the bone were my, they call them the volar plates,

the like the little ligaments that hold your fingers together. I tore two of those. How the fuck you tear that? Picking up a barrel, 2016, Will Strongest Man. It was like the day before the competition, they let you just feel the kit. And I went to pick it up and just snapped all the tendons off two fingers. But that's, honestly God, I think that is the only injury in Strongman that I've ever torn anything off.

So everything else is like something where you're, you're just fucking around. Yeah. I think, so the worst thing I did, and it wasn't very vocal about it, because it's a real dark point in my life really it was about a month and a half two months after i won the world strongest man i dropped for jeez six uh 12 i dropped about 24 kilo in the space of about three months holy foe yeah i really just just shredded weight off me really quick um but i kept doing the same weights so i was still you know deadlifting 500 kilo still squatting 350 kilo for reps and I did this hack squat

and this hack squat machine I used to fill it out completely it used to get a bar balanced across the top I used to fill the bar out it was just so over the top it was it was like well over 400 kilo in this sort of hack squat and I went in

did a rep failed the second rep and rather than like think oh no that's fine walk away like an idiot I went back in at the bottom and picked it up and stood up and my right hip dislocated

so my right hip came out the socket and I just remember that crunching sound and I was like oh fuck didn't think nothing of it and then I sort of walked off around the gym and then just like after about two minutes all the pain kicked in and the hip had come out and as I'd walk around it went back in and the fucking pain man like it

all the all the scans basically when it rips out the socket all the socket breaks all the socket breaks all the tendons and ligaments around that just get shredded um and i basically lost the feeling down my right leg completely um put me in a wheelchair and then i'd say two weeks in a wheelchair then i had to learn to walk again to just have like really intense physiotherapy and just get back to where i was and it took me i'd say it was a good year until i was able to walk normally just walk what about lifting how did it affect the lifting well just any bottom half i couldn't really do like

Anytime I did any squats or deadlift. But as far as you're coming back, like coming back to be able like the sort of strength that you may have had prior to that injury, is the strength back? Yeah, oh yeah, the strength's back now. It took me a long time.

I say it about two years until I was back to the strength that I was, like Will Strongest Man's strength level, you know? It took me a couple years to come back from it. Yeah, you said earlier before you started giving this explanation, it was a low point in your life. Was that because that was why it was a low point in your life or something else was going on? No, that was a low point.

Yeah, just because of the injury, I mean, when you're, when you've been like a full-time athlete like myself for so many years and then that snatch from you, like you can't even go to the gym, that, that hit me hard, you know, just not being able to go to the gym and just, just vent. Because that's what the gym is to us, you know, it's more of a, like, it's like going to church. You just go to vent and get your frustrations out and then you feel good. And I didn't have that for quite a long time. So that really fucked me up, yeah.

Yeah. When did you first recognize that, that, that, part of the gym for you. Like, what was the thing that kept you in the gym that made you be like, damn, this is like, this, I want this to be my life.

And then obviously it turned into the rest of your life. So I was, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I was a national champion swimmer when I was very young, like 10 years old. It was the best swimmer.

It's such a crazy change. It's such a crazy change of pace. Best swimmer in the country, setting British records. And I was put onto the, basically the GB squad. So it was on the junior Olympic team to be an Olympic champion.

That's what this program was designed for. And basically, I had, I just didn't agree with the system. I ended up doing too much training and ended up getting worse, getting slower times. And eventually just told my coach to go, fuck himself. It's like, I've had enough of this and left. I was 13 at the time. And then literally two weeks later, three weeks later, just had crippling anxiety. Like absolutely crippling.

couldn't leave the house some days couldn't go to school and it just got progressively worse and then it ended up with depression because the anxiety just put all these horrible thoughts in I was on Prozax I've seen a psychiatrist like it was really really fucked up

in a real dark point in my life and then at I'd say mid-14 years of age after being on Prozac's whatever for a year and a bit is my mum and dad sort of said to me like what the fuck he'd say? with yourself. You need to get out the house and just go and do something, go to the gym. And that's when I joined the gym. Why I saw my pals were at school, I was expelled from school. Whilst all my pals were at school, I went to the gym. And within the space of a couple of months,

started to feel good with myself. You know, every time I went to the gym, I walked out and I just got this feeling of self-worth. Like, the euphoria comes over you. Like, when you go for a run and you just get this like huge rush of endorphins. And that pretty much solidified it for me that I've got to go to gym, you know, X amount of times a week for the rest of my life to keep the demons at be. Yeah. So it was because you got, because you stopped that path that you thought was for you, right?

Like you thought the swimming thing was for you? And then because you didn't go that way, you were like kind of lost. Is that why it started that whole cycle? Yeah. Yeah, so I had a very severe ADHD and I didn't know it at the time. And one of the best cures for kids with ADHD is sport. So unbeknown to me, I was, I was sort of counteracting the ADHD effects by the swimming training.

I get it. So when the swimming training stopped, it was like all this energy was all pent up. I didn't know what to do and I started to have the anxiety. and it just really fucked me up like really, really bad and then when I started doing weights it started to disperse again again like just putting him a focus

into something rather than doing nothing and just being all pent up so that I guess that was you know and it wasn't really wasn't really that thing back then if you talked about ADHD it was like what's that you know no one even knew what it was it wasn't until we're older we're like ah

that's why I was such a you know one of these kids that spoke before he thought and acted before he fought and some of the stuff I did was just ridiculous but now you look back and it's like right it was ADHD now it makes sense for damn sure bro it's crazy how the gym is just like the like really the thing that cures so many issues like not in the immediate but like over time can fix so many things for so many people I just wish more people would do it you know yeah I know yeah 100% so some questions for you strongman's strongman related what do you think are the

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Do not wait. I cannot recommend it enough. transcend company.com slash raw talk first time 50% off do it right now let's get back into this podcast i think um i mean there's so many supplements on the market i'd say 80% of them are just just not worth taking you know i just think keep it simple i think if i were to go back in time it would just be a little bit of creatine it would be I'd probably take a hell of a lot more protein with essential amino acids. But other than that, I just wouldn't bother with anything else really.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy how like, I mean, it makes sense, right? Any market that can like capture and like just sell stuff to sell stuff is like always going to do well. But it's funny. I've been having that conversation about creatine lately. It's like one of the best fucking supplements that has like the most studies, it's been

around the long. this is super cheap you can you know they they don't like no one counterfeits it but it's funny when we were kids everyone was like it was fucking steroids do you remember that shit yeah it's such an interesting thing how it's like now it's like oh this is actually one of the best something it's new tropically and just physically it's the best thing you could be doing yeah no no i remember it had that stigma on it um and i remember buying it when i was like 14 and bringing it home and my mom straight away what's this shit you're like i'm taking fucking steroids Pretty much.

Might as well been in her eyes. Do you talk about the steroid stuff ever? No, I don't. I mean, Lou, we all know it goes on. Yeah. And I think there's some people out there that do a really good job at sort of making it healthy and safe. But if it was down to me, like personally,

I would rather every single sport was just 100% doped. And we just want to see what the human, potential can be naturally yeah um obviously it's there and it's i think it's got some great uses and if it if it's used sensibly it can be actually very very beneficial to your health yeah and if abused it can be very detrimental to your health yeah just like anything man um so so you're you you lie on the side of like fuck it just let everyone compete with like whatever they can to compete at the highest level i mean that's what pretty much goes on isn't it it is it is not ironically right but it's the thing that's like the whole taboo, like, no, he's not, he is, though, he is.

It's, it's, it's, because it is happening. It's just like, I agree. I agree. I, obviously, I think there should be, you know, someone should be aware of the, the health concerns that are involved in. And obviously, if you're, I think the problem with that, not even, not even so much a problem with what you said, but I think the, the scary part about that is like, then you have kids that maybe are not, you know, maybe that's, that might be their goal.

thing that they really want to do, but maybe that's not where they're going to end up. And then they end up getting in this vicious cycle of like the steroid use because of the goal where they think they want to go. And then it's just like, you just got a bunch of random kids on steroids who like, you know, are not knowing any better except they want to be a professional X, Y, Z. No, yeah, exactly. And the UK is probably one of the worst countries in the world for it. I think it's just so readily available.

over here. It's not even, I mean, I'm not sure on the laws on it, but I think you can possess it. It's like legal to possess. It's just illegal to sell. And of course, that just puts it in a real grey box, doesn't it? So if you get caught with it, it's like you just get a slap on the wrist, don't sell it on, but you're allowed to do it. And because of that, there are people left, right and center in the gyms taking steroids at like, you know, the second step in the gym, it's 16. Yeah, that's, that's, it's obscene. It's absolutely obscene. And I, I see and hear it everywhere I go. It's absolutely nuts.

So if you were to give advice, like, for example, to your son or to some younger lifter, when, when, if they were like dead set on saying, because it would be, you know, it's hypocritical for you, it's hypocritical for me to be like, don't ever do this. And I always, I always debate this. It's like, and I kind of have an answer, but I want to hear yours. What age would you say that like you could do this? If you absolutely were like dead set on this is what I want to do with my life.

where I don't think it's about age. I think it's about being sensible with the science. I think there's a certain parameters with testosterone that you've got to stick to. And if you go above those parameters, it can be detrimental. For instance, do you know, I am Bibby, the strong man. Yeah. Yes. So, like, he's natural.

And he is absolutely obscene. like the numbers he puts above his head like 230 kilo log press 230 kilo 20 kilo axe press just presses it above head like it's nothing and so he's got the sort of genetics to have obviously have great testosterone

and there are kids that are taking gear at 16, 17, 18 that don't need to take it because what they're doing is they've got this great testosterone and then they start injecting testosterone that it's pretty much equals it and then their testosterone dies and then when they come off testosterone they've got nothing because this stays the same so and I think that there are genuinely people out there that can have good testosterone into their late 20s early 30s like it can just stick there and they never need to do it and what's the

point in putting more in when it just kills that if you've got good testosterone I mean For instance, I took my dad to a TRT doctor here in the UK. And, you know, he's in his 60s. And I thought, you know, he's looking not frail, but I just thought to himself, he could probably do with a test now. You know what I mean? He's getting into mid-60s. So he took him down.

And this TRT doctor was like, I wouldn't touch it. I said, your testosterone's perfect. It's right within the middle of the range. It said, if I give you TRT, probably be a little bit healthier but then you're going to shut down your natural testosterone and you're going to you know you're on that for the rest of your life basically so i think some people have just got that natural gift you know yeah yeah so you know you know but for the ones who don't for the ones that don't yeah you've got to go get the test

like you've got to see where your testosterone's at if you're feeling like shit you're sleeping like shit your moods are like shit you're depressed you got anxiety whatever else go get the test So you've got a testosterone, I'd always seek advice. I would never just dab in the dark, you know, always go off a blood test and see where your testosterone's at. Yeah, 100%. The blood testing is paramount. I think that's the most important thing in this whole process.

Specifically, even if you, like, even if you're not going to do it, getting your blood test to know where your levels are at. And then specifically, when you do it, you have to be regularly testing your blood as well to see where your levels are at and how everything else is affected. So every time I have these conversations, I just like, like to bring that up because I don't want kids to watch this shit and just be like I'm going to fucking take this awesome. Like you said, the most important thing is knowing what the fuck is going on. And I just I just hope everyone heeds that advice because I know no matter what we say as far

as doing it or not doing it, people think about it. They question it. They're going to fucking do it. It is what it is. But besides that topic, you, you, I saw, I saw a video of you beating up like two, two like short people or something in the octagon. How does that come about like cool so um so i actually had a contract under my nose um probably this time last year maybe a bit earlier this time last year and it was to fight brian shaw mitchell hooper and martin ford in an mhm a match a four-way m-ma match in katar way yeah so two would fight and then the winner from each fights each other in the same day in the same day holy fuck yeah wait so um you wait so who's gonna fight first it was me versus mitchell

brian shaw versus martin ford and then the winner against each other in the same day wow same same night bro the same night same night yeah that's some shit i would probably love to bro but fighting brian shaw because how tall are you again At 6-2 And he's Psychopath You are a psychopath Like you don't give a

You have to be I don't care No no Dude it's so Because like Obviously you're strong as fuck There's no denying that And I know you can compete

With the best of them But these guys are like They're the same In that sense And then they're like They have so much leverage on you Yeah You just don't give a shit

No I love that Spent spent my whole life Going up against the Goliaths You know Yeah Same in Strong man so it doesn't doesn't bother me yeah you you definitely wash you definitely wash martin for

and you definitely wash what was the other guy's name Mitchell hooper Mitchell yeah you got both those guys Brian you'd have a harder time with I just think I kind of agree with that just just because I mean the MMA aspect it's the it's the malling you know if you get on the ground with Brian it's that's an uphill battle yeah that's fun yeah because you did the boxing box strictly boxing but fuck man MMA should have been so why didn't it not work out so i mean it ended up in the end um we all signed contracts for multi-million um deals and then i think like two months before it just all felt a shit just i don't know what i got exposed some the guy who organized it was a fraudster or the Qatar government pulled out i could we honestly

still haven't got the answer yeah it just all felt a shit yeah um yeah so anyway off the back of that yeah um i carried on training so i was like like, fuck this. I really enjoyed the ground game, really enjoying the MMA with the four-ounce gloves. It's like, this is more me. You know,

just been able to smash elbows in and everything. So I carried on training and then joined that period, two little kids, I don't know what I call them. They were from Poland. People kept sending me clips,

like these two calling me out, saying stuff about me. And I was just like, fuck there, sent them a message. I was like, Luke, guys, just do us a favor. Keep my name out your mouth

or I'll fucking sort you out. And somehow within two weeks, I had a contract under my nose and I was fighting them both in MMA. So that's how that happened, basically. Yeah, that was one of the funniest clips I've ever seen. I just saw it pop up my feet. I was like, of course, Eddie, he's doing this. He's just smacking these kids. What is that federation? Like, is that just something like, it reminds me of MMA when it, excuse me, not, it reminds me of the UFC when it first came out with just the odd ass like, fucking pride. Pride. Um, yeah, it's just,

just like a made-up federation on i think it was the first show they did um so yeah it was no whole no rules really which had a bit with agreement between ourselves i wasn't allowed to physically follow him with any slams but other than that anything went yeah do you plan to do more fighting stuff yeah so i'm literally i think on the verge of fighting marius podnoski i'm just hoping to get a contract older strong man yeah yeah yeah yeah he was he was one of the he was one of the iconic guys back in the day man so i mean he won will strong respond five times is the most most everyone anyone's ever won it um and he's been doing mhm a for 16 years holy shit how old is he he's got to be like this i think he's 47 yeah almost 50 yeah i'll never

i just seen some i just never forget those photos when this is like when i first started really getting into lifting and strong man's shit and i was like i remember seeing that guy where he's like he's he's holding the two things at his side and i was like damn this is how I want to look. And he's ripped, isn't he? Yeah. So in shape.

Did you have any, like, people who inspired you when you were coming up? Because we're similar age. Yeah, I think, honestly, like just getting into strong man,

Terry Hollins from the UK was one that sort of pulled me in. It was a British strong man. He think he came third at Will Strongest Man. I think he's done that twice. And then when I actually got into Strongman, believe this or not, Brian Shaw became one of my heroes. And someone I really,

really aspired to, you know, sort of catch you up and be on the same level as. So those were my heroes in Strongman, really, Terry and Brian. And then we've got, of course, we've got Sejunius who's just been like an antique, just like part of Strongman for such a long time. Yeah. Did, when you fought Thor, was it like real beef? Oh, yeah, it was real beef. Why does everyone have beef with Thor?

Why, who else has beef with Thor? Well, no, I thought Shaw kind of had like some beef with Thor. no i think look it's just something that we've got between ourselves you know he he he's got some problems with the way will strongest man work i think yeah um and he threw some accusations that there was some cheating going on when i won the will strongest man and it just threw a load of shit on on my on my win you know and it it really it really hurt me career wise um and it was just a shit thing to do from a so-called friend You know, we were mates at the time.

And then it just, you know, it just went south. And we just never really seen eye to eye since. Yeah, I get it. That's unfortunate. It is unfortunate. You know, I used to like Thor, you know. Like he's been around my house. We've had parties.

We've traveled the world together. I classed him as a good friend. I really did. And then I say, just got stabbed in the back. Yeah. Because did that come off of, was one of his wings prior to that win? no so he he he won the will strongest man the year after me so it was like you know i think he saw it as i like to the title off him you know and he just didn't like it yeah i see i see well you

said when did your when did your deadlift world record get broken because you that was like the that was one of the biggest things that you had done as far as beyond strong man like you had that thousand pound deadlift that was like everyone was like what the fuck i remember that and then it got broke what like like a couple maybe like three years ago um so i pulled it in 2016 um 1100 pounds and how old were you then oh god 2016 like mid 20s no um 26 yeah say damn bro that's such an insane like how much did you weigh was this when you were like your heaviest though no sorry i was 28 sorry uh how much what sorry how much did you weigh you were heavy So when I pulled the 500, I was 186 kilo.

So, oh, just like, I'd say 4005 pounds, something like that. Yeah. So I'm still a big guy. Fuck. The thousand pound Deliff is like, I remember that. I remember you hitting that and being like, what the fuck is going on? It's such a nuts number. It is.

It's 500 kilo. So that was like the magic number. It's 1100 pounds. Because no one, no one ever anticipated anyone ever pulling 500 kilo. Like when you go back on the forums, you go back on the group chats, you used to see the, you know, the sort of threads, is anyone ever going to pull 500 kilo in our lifetime? And every single comment was no, no, no, no chance.

Absolutely not. And then I came and broke the world record by 37 kilo in a day and did it. And then it was broken, what, like, yeah, like a few years back, two years back. think so thought did 5001 kilo and there's a there's a bit of controversy around that you know whether it should stand as official i don't believe it should be stand as an official record so why because of because of the way it was like on what platform just the way it was done just just the way it was done it's it's hard to explain to people but like he did it in his home gym his dad weighed the plates um you know he did it on his own time

I'm like, who knows what went on? All I know is if I pulled a 500 kilo deadlift and my dad weighed the plates and it was in my basement downstairs in my house, everyone would be like, fuck off. That doesn't count. So I don't understand why it's different from Thor, you know? It's just, just a few things that no one else competed on the day. Just if anyone else just went up and like lifted the bar just to prove it wasn't fake, that that would have satisfied me probably. the thing is with mine like Benny Magnuson tried 500

Jerry Pritchett tried 500 and with Thor he was the only one it touched that bar nobody else and it just for me for a competition like it should be an open thing like anyone should be able to come and like say hang on let me just see if that's real kind of thing but it was just it was enclosed

every single person in that room was paid to see the success of that lift and that I just think that's wrong I see what you're saying I see what you're saying. Do you think you'd ever get like an MMA fight with Thor? Do you think he would ever do that?

I don't think he would. Yeah. You would do it? I'd do it, yeah. Oh, God, dude, you're such a savage. It's so funny. I love it. I got to come out to the UK.

I want to train with you, man. Are you ever in L.A.? Very rarely. Very rarely. I sometimes come out to Vegas now and again. Yeah, you're not far from there. are you super close i'd love to get a session in with you man for sure yeah well anytime you're over here just hit me up you got my number yeah let's let's uh let's talk a little bit about diet stuff

for you okay when you dropped like majority of your weight what were what were the key things that really helped you do that um i would say the number one thing was walking sounds so simple sounds so simplistic yeah but just going for a walk just once twice a day just going for a walk that absolutely shredded the weight off me um obviously i cut down a lot of the the heavy you know the heavy fats and the carbs um but yeah i'd say walking was my number one tool for losing weight so okay talk about the diet a little more specific how are you able to eat so much fucking food bro because for me the hardest thing that i've ever dealt with as far as just like maintaining strength or gaining strength or getting

size is just literally eating enough food. And I know I hear this for people all the time. They're always like, I eat enough food. I never gain weight. I know why that's happening. If that happens to me is because I'm just not eating enough food. That's the answer because I'm not. And I always tell people, okay, are you actually tracking it?

Are you actually eating enough food? And nine times out of 10, if not 10 times out of 10, people just are eating enough food. But how do you physically, because I've done some things where like I'm like, chewing as much as I can then I'm like swallowing it with water or I'm like finishing my meal with like a shot of like extra virgin olive oil like just the extra calories in like how do you force the calories because you're not again you're not a giant you are a giant dude you are a giant dude who needs to eat a bazillion calories but I know you've done it so I'd say um my diet was a 70 30 split and that makes it so much easier so 70% would be you know

like meat, carbs, vegetables, like quite healthy foods. And then it'd be like 70% healthy, 30% cheesecake. Oh, I love cheesecake. And that's the secret, man. Just, just shit. You know, just if you want to get huge, you want to put weight on, you want to get massive, just eat shit. That's, it's simple as that.

Just cheesecake. Shut out of America, huh? Yeah. It's easy over here. So funny. just have the American diet. You're fucking so crazy. You're completely right, though.

Like, I've been doing a few, like transformation things with some people here in the UK. And we're trying to, like, for instance, there was one kid who's really skinny. It was like 100 pounds,

six foot tall, 100 pounds, really skinny. And we're putting him on this diet. And every week he's not putting any weight on. Like, eating all the food, are you having your protein shakes?

He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I promise, I promise, a promise. A month later. And I'm like,

right okay so you are you promised me you're having your food you have your protein shakes it's like yeah i promise i just can't put weight on it's been metabolism i goes give me that tub of protein give it here still half full so it's like you're full of shit yeah it's like you're meant to be having three protein shakes a day so that tub should only last you 10 days and we're here we are a month on and you've still got a half a tub left what was his answer you full of shit what was his answer oh well maybe i'm not taking the protein shakes and it's like i think this is the problem with people is they convince themselves that they're eating enough. Like, I am eating enough. But they're not. Like, they just never want to push themselves out of that comfort

zone. And that's what it is, essentially. You've got to push yourself out of that comfort zone to gain weight, to lose weight, to get muscle, to do anything in life. You've got to push yourself out of that comfort zone. And people just get so comfortable in that little bubble that they don't want to fucking budge. They've done it for years and years. Let's talk about that specifically. How, because clearly you've been able to figure that out on your own like how to really like you push yourself to the limits of like all fucking hell like in physically to be able to lift the weights that you've lifted to be able to to do all the things that you've done i mean the fighting stuff like in these random fucking sports fighting fucking random people like but specifically the strong man stuff like you've been willing to kind of just say fuck it and go all out how how do you tell someone or how do you encourage someone who you know they're they're just hitting that wall and because the comfortability they're not going forward how do you encourage that person to like like how do they find what it fucking takes or do they just not have it i think it's got to be within their dna i really do i they've got to want it like i mean i'll use myself as an example

because that that that that deadlift world record like when i when i broke it when i did the 462 kilo I sort of put it out there like I'm gonna deadly 500 kilo next year and everyone laughed at me like and I mean absolutely everyone promoters strong men the fans the forums everyone's like this guy's a fucking deluded idiot and it was just like everyone sets limits and it's like why why why is every like why is it deemed impossible it's only impossible because people aren't willing to push themselves to go to there's extremes to do what they do. And I guess for me,

that was like, I love that scenario in my head. There's like people saying you can't do something. And that made me thrive. And it was almost like using the haters as, I don't know if you're not haters, but using the doubters as fuel to the fire. And it just really made me ramp up and be like,

right, fuck you, I'm going to prove everyone wrong, push my absolute limits. I ate until I was nearly sick. I slept my eight hours. I spent thousands of pounds worth on recovery and recovery equipment. You know,

I did my five hours training and I did my cardio. I slept in a hyperbrike chamber. I did all these things. Like I committed my life to being the strongest man on the planet. Just to prove those fuckers wrong. So, you know, I just pushed myself to the limit because I wanted to.

So I wanted to better myself and I wanted to, you know, prove what the human body can do. And that was, that is in me, you know? And some people just haven't got that. Some people like, you know, they say, like, for instance, you, you could probably deadlift 500 kilo.

If you absolutely dedicated your life to it, gave it absolutely everything you'd fucking got for, say, five years, you could probably do it. But there's that inner bitch. And I always call it the inner bitch. It's like, oh, no, I can't. I'm not going to even go to bother. So they don't. And then you just don't get started. You don't stack.

Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you said, though, obviously, what I, what I, what I, this thing that I did that I'm about to explain is not as sick as a 500 pound, excuse me, 500 kilo deadlift. But I remember in my career, anytime I was filming something like videos that was like kind of crazy and like I would have the peanut gallery of people in the gym who would be like,

that's probably not a good idea. I'll never forget I did the squat on the hoverboard. And before I did the squat on the hoverboard, the 300 pounds on the hoverboard at barbell, my buddy who was my videographer at the time was like, yeah like because we've done stupid crazy things and he was like i think this is a really bad bad idea and you shouldn't do it he like tried to level with me and i remember being like that's exactly why i need to do it that's exact and then it's viral i'm not saying someone needs to go

do some crazy shit like that but i'll never forget like that that exact mentality that you described is exactly why i did a lot of things that i did and then whenever i felt that resistance or someone was like really like hey this is a really bad idea that's kind of crazy or don't do it it was always the thing that did the best did the most viable It's on ESPN, it's all over the world. And I, and yeah, there is something to that like, oh, that's why I'm going to do it then. When someone thinks you can or you shouldn't or it's, that's kind of, stay away from it. Prove you're in a bitch wrong and everyone else is in a bitch wrong.

It's been like Jackass that, isn't it? Like Jackass would do things. Yeah. That you'd be like, oh, I wouldn't do that. Jackass is like, watch this. Yeah, this is like one thing I want to do. It's funny I've mentioned Jackass, but I want to ride a bull. I want to ride a bull.

You want to ride a bull? Yeah, I want to try it like a bucket list so bad. I wanted to ride a bull. Like one of the proper Bronco, like when you go to a bull riding, yeah, where to try and kick the cowboy off. Yeah, like, obviously I'm going to start like, because I know these people who own,

they own this like, this is not the ball I'm going to ride. I'm not going to start with this bull. It's like professionals don't even, aren't even to ride this, but it's like a thousand pound bowl bowl that like no one can ride for like eight seconds. I'm not saying that's the bull I want to ride,

but I'm going to start somewhere. I want to start with the smaller bowl. and I just want to see what it's like because obviously it's hard as fuck I mean there's no way that there's no way we could say anyone could say this is easy

but I don't know how hard it is because I've never done it so I can't have a reference point that does sound insane yeah my inner my inner bitch wouldn't let me do that because I know I'd get a horn in my eyeball

I know but I just got to try I want to know what it's like for at least whatever however many seconds I'm not saying a thousand pound bull but the other bulls that are like the level up bowls I want to figure out I just want to know what it's like

I want to know what it's like so bad so I'm gonna ride a bull my buddy has a bull he has a bunch he has like a bunch of bulls he owns like this whole fucking they own this whole I guess arena of like horses and bulls

and I'm gonna go try it I'm gonna film it I've 100% watch that yeah yeah exactly I'm gonna film this shit riding a bull dude I just think it's like it is exactly one of those things

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Ooh. Um, I mean, I really want to try skydiving. Yeah, I'm fucked that, bro. But that's scary as fucking shit.

And, and, um, you're too big for that. I know, I'm too big. This is what I keep being told. But apparently if I lose,

uh, nine kilo I can do it. They'd like, they'd legally let me do it. You can weigh 149. Kilo and they'd let you do it. that part of me is like the fact that you're on this like level of you could just do it makes me be like nah bro that's why i don't want to i feel like it'd have to be double under the

limit yeah i want to be on the limit no i have to be on the limit yeah 100% but that's yeah but it's stuff like that you know it's just like scares me shitless but i guess that's why i want to do it yeah are there are there any is there anything in your career or like strongman wise or weightlifting wise that you wish you had done um i mean there's probably quite a lot if we could go back in time i wish you that you know wish i'd done it the the world log press world record um i mean i attempted that with a snapped ankle got it above my head couldn't lock it out and half of my wishes i just went for it one more time just to get it but i just at the time i just you know you just mentally had to sort of

withdraw from strongman who's like i can't can't do this anymore yeah um but that's probably one of my biggest regrets is not having the log press world record at some point in my career yeah fuck that's oh man i would hate i because you were you were like i'm trying to think like if i think of the top five strong men i feel like of all time i feel like you're up there would you say so i would say so but just because of the static strength that i had and the i think the 500 kilos solidified that notion you know it just it just it just opened up everyone's everyone's eyes as to what is actually possible in the world and you know I get a lot of shit for like people sort of saying oh once and done and you know you you won it and retired and I'm like over than winning it six

times I had no interest so like there's there's loads of people that have won it once won it twice won it four times well there's a and if you won it four times but there's only one that's at five and that's my wrist ponnoski so unless i was going to go for six i was like i'm not interested because i'll just be another number well i'm not doing anything special yeah i get you know so for me like the 500 kilo was something special the world strongest man gave me the name and the 500 kilo cemented me in history that's how i agree i agree 100 because i remember seeing that mean like what the fuck no one like this is no one's done this and then everyone starts like doing it yes oh everyone can do it now apparently

it's like common it's like such a normal conversation now the 500 kilo it's it's ridiculous yeah yeah but okay so beyond that side but aren't you aren't you somewhat like I don't know how much social media stuff you watch but have you noticed that because like people have seen you

or people have seen other strong men or other influencers or creators people like do cool shit that like way more people are doing the same things just because they've seen it done. Like, you notice how, like, there wasn't as many examples as when we were kids of people who did it. There was a few, very few. Now it's like, it's almost like everyone can do it because everyone's seen other people

do it. Yeah. I think the best example I ever heard was Roger Bannister. He was a British guy. And he said he was going to run a mile in under four minutes. And the same as me, everyone laughed at him. Everyone called him an idiot. Everyone said he was a dickhead.

And he ran a mile in four minutes. within two years I think it was something like 18 people had run a mile in under four minutes two years after him but up until he did it it was impossible and then it's like it's like a normal thing now

like you hear people running a mile and four minutes is oh that's nice it's just so normal yeah it's crazy out of that word the internet's really fucking changed that this whole like fitness space and just like goals in general and what people think it's possible

yeah I think it's also created like a weird like a fake kind of a fake victory for a lot of people in a sense like a lot of people not not doing things is fake and you win or you get those accomplishments and it's fake but I think like like we're kind of talking about things not being so real or like something's not being what it seems and then people kind of like I don't know maybe put on a sort of facade to look a certain way when they're not really a certain way oh because it goes on all the time doesn't it yeah and i think that happens a lot a lot more now because also like this

sort of i don't know if it's a social pressure or the social media pressure of like i have to appear or look a certain way or i have to like show myself in a certain light or whatever the fuck it is be doing a certain thing i think that's also like a weird thing that's like kind of fucking people that mentally oh no 100 percent i mean it's literally coming into legislation i think pretty soon that if you're under 16 you can't have social media accounts i think they brought it in in some countries new zealand i think is one to start it because it's just it's been proven to cause so many mental health problems in young teenagers strict because they're not getting enough likes they're not getting enough

tension like they didn't get enough likes on a post like they're suicidal you know it's literally made as that pathetic that if you don't have enough likes on a post people are actually going in you know doing things that hurting themselves or worse that's fucking that's not's man Like, it's honestly, like, if that, is that, you've read that somewhere that you know that that's true? Yeah, I know that's true. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it.

And I've had friends, kids that have, like, literally full on in hands, like, can't control themselves because they're not, you know, social media is not going their way or not getting enough likes on a post. So it's nuts, man. Like, I really do feel sorry for our younger generation. Like, they are so glued to their iPads and phones. like TikTok is reality the world is the fake one yeah bro the world is it's it's getting nuts man

I don't know like do you does that ever because like your son how old is your son my son's 12 and he he doesn't really bother with it like so I run his YouTube channel I you know I edit it up and put his videos up and he won't even look at it he'll watch the video but then he's like oh that's great it's like do you know how any views you got or it's like I don't care and I'm like so proud of him for that and he doesn't bother with instagram doesn't bother with any social media platforms just isn't interested and i don't push anything on him and i'm actually quite happy

for him to stay off it from being you didn't you didn't you're not telling him to think or feel that like you're not hey don't worry about he just doesn't it it just doesn't yeah why do you think that is honestly i think he's seeing me go through a lot with social media um you know you got a lot hate over the years and I think you know when we first started to YouTube get a hell of lot horrible comments especially till like when he started you and he was 10 horrible horrible comments and he was reading it was coming to me all upset and then I said mate I said just use it as fuel man I said you've got to understand all these so-called haters and these people like bad mawaving you and saying you shouldn't be training and say all this bollocks I said every

comment every view every like every dislike it's just bringing you more money because my son earns more than his teacher off his youtube and it's and it's like mate i said that person that's give you a load of shit then has just put money in your back pocket and that's how he sees it now with his youtube he's like hey dad look at this dickhead you're like he said something bad and people are like all commented it's put money in my pocket and i'm like yes mate well done so he gets it you know he's 12 man yeah so what are what are his what are some of his goals is he does he like want to do what you've done um mac i don't like to talk about goals with max especially in the the gym aspect mainly because i just don't want to put pressure on him there's already

a ton of pressure on him because he's my son because he's the will strongest man's son you know we go to the gym and people like in front of me say to oh are you going to be the next real strongest man are you going to deadly 500 kilo and he'd be like yeah yeah yeah and then afterwards, I'll go to him like, mate, what the fuck are you doing? You can't say that to a fucking 12 year old kid. Like, let him fucking be a kid, like letting him enjoy himself. And then the gym, we just train.

Obviously, he trains to get strong, but he just enjoys himself. You know, and he goes to gym to socialize, to hang out with me, to hang out with his coach, and he thoroughly enjoys it. It actually enjoys it more than his gaming. And that's all that matters to me. Like, if he wants to get a strong man, I'll be there for him. him. If he doesn't, I honestly couldn't fucking care less. It's like

he's got to be his own person. Second you force anything on a kid, it's the second they don't want to do it. Yeah, that's a fact. Did someone teach you that? Did you learn that the hard way? So I've always wanted what, you know, when we're swimming, no one pushed me from a swimming. I

used to get up at 5 o'clock in the morning, cycled out to the swimming baths, do a two-hour session, cycle home, cycle to school, and then cycle back to the swimming baths at night. I used to do that every day. No one pushed me. And I guess that's why, when I was on the GB junior squad, why I fucked off, because people started telling me how to train, when to train, how much to train. I was like, fuck this. And that's when I quit, because there's too much pressure on me. Interesting. So maybe

that you've obviously learned that you pass that on, like, as far as through your parents and your son, you know that you don't need to push it. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Yeah. Do you think sometimes though, sometimes you got to kind of push it. You got to kind of push it. people you don't think I guess it depends on the age I think a little bit of pressure is okay but like you know there's been times where you know we've been doing lifts in the gym and I'm like max like you can go heavier than that and you know that we'll have a little argument about it and sometimes he'll just be like it just look me dead in the eyes like dad fuck off and I'm like okay fine but I think sometimes he will do the extra weight and he'll benefit from

me. And then afterwards, you go, I'm glad you made me do that. So, you know, there's been instances where it's worked. There's been instances where it told me to fuck off. But I've never actually ever forced it to do anything. And I can't say I have. I've never been forced to do anything in my life, really. I get it. I mean, who's going to force you, you know? Yeah. I mean, I guess they tried to when you were younger and you're like, fuck this. And then you're like, I'm just going to fucking get jacked. It's crazy. That's why. Yeah. That's why I got expelled from school. I just didn't like people telling you what to do.

I think there's just certain people are just wired that way. And I think that it goes into everything you have and everything you are. It's just like, there's just certain people that way, man. Yeah. And it's like, it could be a good thing. Could be a really bad thing. I guess it depends where you put your energy. You know, good thing you put it to the gym and not some other dumb shit.

Yeah, I think people that bend over and do what they're told all the time will just, I don't like calling them sheep, but they're the people that, work a job nine to five until the 65 retire and then die at 70 that those are the people that do what they're told and I think me and I think meanwhile had not liking it the whole time and knowing that they don't like it but not willing to do something to change it yeah my dad I use my dad in these examples because he's my dad I can talk about my dad this way well my dad worked in a factory for best part over 40 years absolutely hated his hated his job absolutely fucking hated it did it

40 years now he's living off a shit pension and he says to me i would you know it's been wank it's absolutely been wank but he's like i did it i had to support you guys and i'm i'm super thankful he did but i i grew up with a man in the house that wasn't happy and you can see he wasn't happy he fucking hated his job hated it yeah yeah fuck man he had a walk so your ass could run i guess yeah no that that's how i see it yeah yeah i mean i'm sure you I'm sure you pay it back to him now, you know? Yeah, I do. I do.

What else are you, what else are you super passionate? Is there something, is there anything that people wouldn't know about you? Or do you share it all online? Um, anyone doesn't know about me. Jeez. I mean, I think there's this persona of being a strong man and doing fighting, whatever. You get this persona of just being this, you get this persona of just being this, you.

you know, hard man and wanting to be in the aggressor and everything all the time. But honestly, like, I just love spending time with my kids, just like lighting a fire in the garden, just sitting around a fire, just listening to country music, smoking a cigar, just relaxing, man. You sound like me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Just chilling, you know. I'm a big, a bit advocate for, like, get your work done and then just fucking relax. like spend time with your family yeah yeah yeah i mean i'm just working on that working on figuring that out myself um family part the relaxing part i get i could do that um what what do you have coming up that you're really excited about anything content wise or career um i'm arm wrestling brian shore i think december december the 14th bro you're gonna snap your shit yeah have you've been training obviously i've had to yeah no um I think come the show,

I've been there had eight weeks training and Brian's been doing it a year. Oh, fuck, man. I know, I know, no. I just sort of had this opportunity come up and I rung Brian up. I was like, do you want to fucking do it? And he's like, yeah.

I was like, fuck's sake, okay. Here we go then. So I've been doing my fight training, doing my weights and I've been doing my armrested training as well. So that's coming up. I'm not saying it's just one of those sports that like if you do not practice. I mean, obviously, you've been training.

I'm not taking that away. But I'll have kids sometimes will pull up to me at the gym and be like, arm wrestle me. And I'm like, do you arm wrestle? It'll be like, yeah, for like six years. And I'm like, no, I am not going to fucking arm wrestle you. Because, dude, I've arm wrestled like twice, just randomly hurt myself both times. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the, it's the, one of the most dangerous things to do if you don't know what you're doing.

100%. I've seen so many of people snap their arms. Witness it with me own eyes. It's horrendous. Yeah. So you think you're going to beat Brian on. it i'm gonna have a go you know i'm gonna go and give it give it a good shot that's all i can do as you say my main training at the minute is just being safe you know just making sure i'm in those safe

positions and the second ed of things compromise like my coach is like right let it go and i think that's how i've got to be so just give it me all but i'm not going to hurt myself yeah fuck that those those are terrible injuries bro people snap their arms fucking any any so anything else but i'm actually really when does that happen mean, I'm 100% watching that. December the 14th, we haven't got the venue yet, but it's going to be in America somewhere, yeah. Definitely watching that, bro.

Yeah. I guess a pretty close to sign in the contract, well, should have a contract soon to fight Maris Pernoski. That should be, I'm going to say, a end of Feb onwards, so maybe March, something like that time. Yeah.

So, obviously, training for that starts pretty much now, like going camp, now ready for that. And then other than that, it's just, I've got a few films and movies going on. Big one coming out last next year. The Awakening, some good actors in that. I've got quite a nice piece of part in that. Doing a film with Mel Gibson and Russell Crow. Oh, what the fuck?

Yeah. What is that? What's that film? The Lost Book of Creation. So it's a bit like a, hard to describe it, like an Indiana Jones James Bondi film. and i'm russell crow's henchman for the whole film like start to finish so i'm oh damn that's it that sounds like loads of screen time yeah damn congrats bro that sounds huge yeah so i'm i'm pretty stoked about that what the fuck that that's how russell you're

talking about the fucking russell crow glad i yeah yeah yeah yeah pretty much yeah damn bro you like a movie star now yeah well that's that's what i want to get into now just it's more you know it's easier it's i enjoy it like being on the set just and just being yourself you know i mean that's that's what i've really thrived on camera is just just like my inner self just come out just not faking anything and it's working it's so funny how you say being yourself in your role as a henchman yeah yeah honestly did and then three minutes ago you're like i just like i like the going in the garden with my kids ha ha ha ha it was like there's one scene in this the awakening film

we were going to do a fight scene and some of the shit I was doing I'd like thoroughly enjoyed it like right you got to punch this TV but what we're going to do is we're going to get the stunt double to come in tomorrow to punch the TV so I'm like right okay fine so we started filming first take

fucking put my fist straight straight through this TV literally straight through the screen bulged out the back and put a hole in the plaster behind the TV so fucking proud of herself and they're like what the fuck are you doing And I'm like, yeah, but that's going to look at the bollocks on camera, in it. And they're like, yeah, okay, fair enough.

And that's just me being me. You know, it's like, fuck off. You're like, fuck this that guy, baby. Yeah, that's fucking awesome, man. That's sick. I'm fucking, not that you need me to be proud of you, but that's cool. That's really fucking cool, man. I'm proud of you.

Thanks, man. Yeah. Well, dude, I appreciate your time. Thank you for doing this. If you have any questions for me, you know, shoot away. Or if you ever need me, always hit me up because I appreciate you doing this, man, for real. Yeah, no problem. I'll perhaps hit you up for a podcast on. I'm starting a podcast soon. So I'll probably hit you up the other way and we'll do something then.

Yeah, absolutely, brother. Any time. And when you're, next time you're in LA or the States at all or if I'm in the UK, I want to do a training video with you for sure. Yeah, that sounds good. That sounds good, man. Cool, brother. I appreciate you so much. Thank you, man. All right, bradley. Thanks, man. Absolutely. If you need anything from me, hit me. Cheers, bro. Take care, man. See you. Thanks. Bye.