RAWTALK - Faze Lacy Talks BruceDropEmOff Beef, Future of Faze & His Weight Loss Journey from 300LBS

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Lacy speaks on his mother beating cancer, his weight loss journey, coming up as a streamer, Faze Clan & much more! Thank you guys for watching, see you next week! Sponsored by: TRANSCEND Use code "RAWTALK" for 15% OFF Transcendcompany.com/rawtalk Sponsored by: BetterHelp Use code "RAWTALK" at betterhelp.com/RAWTALK & get on your way to being your best self! Sponsored by: Versa Gripps Use code "BRADLEY15" for 15% OFF Versa Gripps Here: https://www.versagripps.com/collections/versa-gripps?utm_source=event&utm_medium=other&utm_campaign=bradley_june_2024

So one night, I just decided to suck it up and do it. I turned my camera on on stream. I remember I announced like face review and I had like 1,500 viewers, like double what I usually have when I did the face review. And it was the worst night in my life. Oh, why? You stressing? No, why?

You nervous? A little. Why? I don't do podcast that much. Yeah. But are you actually nervous? Not really. Yeah.

I feel like live streaming is ten times harder. It's just, it's a different, it's like a different thing because on live, it's like an increased, not increased, it's like an exaggerated personality almost. Yeah. Like it's me, but it's, I exaggerate it for the entertainment aspect. That's all content, though. You don't feel? Like even podcast. I mean, obviously I'm not yelling.

I'm not crazy. But I mean, there's, you still have to kind of like increase it a little bit. And live streaming is just like it's the wave now, though. It seems like the most successful people on the internet live stream. Yeah, it's definitely. I think it's just, it's more mainstream now. Yeah. Than it used to be because of all the IRL stuff.

You think the IRS stuff made it more mainstream? I think it started with Aiden. And then. Aiden just started doing stuff with like, because originally it was just gaming. Like people would play games on stream. Yeah. And it was just live streaming video games.

And then Aiden kind of started doing more actual like interaction. Yeah. With like rappers, celebrities. And that just like launched it to mainstream. And then you have people like Kai. Yeah. Who's take it to a crazy level? Yeah.

What did you, what did you think when you first got into like, what was your goal when you were like, did you think you're a new live stream? Or did you think your new content? Like, where was your... Honestly, no. I just...

So I started in playing... I started by playing Fortnite. Yeah. I was like a, not like a pro. I was like a low tier pro. So you were good at it then. I was pretty good, yeah. But I wasn't like up there with like clicks in the top tier pros.

Right. But I started with Fortnite and then I would just like stream tournaments here and there. Just like, I was also in college. So I would stream a couple hours here and there as much as I could with all the work I was doing in college. and um i had no intention of it becoming my career i just did it because i enjoyed it so you streamed just because you knew other people who did it and because you were pretty good at the game yeah but you weren't like i'm going to make this a thing no it was just like i just enjoyed it i would enjoy going live and if i was going to be playing the game anyways might as well talk to like

the five or six people i had watching me yeah man it's so crazy so you so you didn't have social like you weren't on social media making content trying to be successful at it i didn't i all The only social media I had was my own personal Instagram with like my like in real life name. And then um your government name. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then just like my Twitter, but my Twitter was gaming. Yeah. So that was the only social media platforms I had. So how did you really get started? Something with clicks, right? Yeah. So I was always like a troll on the internet. I would I worked at I worked two jobs. I worked at Panera and Walmart. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. I was a dishwasher at Panera and a self-service.

Dude, I was a dishwasher at Quiznos, which is just a different sort of sandwich spot, which is so funny, you say that. They wouldn't let me make sandwiches. Bro, no way. They, like, treated me like I was, like, some, like, special kid in the back. Like, I had to wash dishes.

I wasn't allowed to make sandwiches. Oh, okay. I made sandwiches and I washed dishes. I quit because I thought you were going to say this is why I got so hyped. I was like, I quit because they only wanted you to make a sandwich, like, small for, like, your personal, like,

lunch break thing. I always wanted to make, like, a big, sandwich and I would get in trouble every time that's literally why I would that's why you quit that's why I quit but mind you I was 15 with a workers permit so I was like a little kid I was like no I can't make this sandwich I want this job no they like they wouldn't let me I was just a dish I would go in and wash dishes six hours a day and they wouldn't let me up to the front line to like make like dish the soup out or make sandwiches did that was that in the job that they said this what you're going to get or you thought you were going to be a sandwich person well it was just like

it just had like a title like um i don't even remember but it was like a title like you could either wash dishes go in the freezer in the back or make sandwiches they just saw you they're like this is a dishwasher yeah and i was just washing dishes literally for like eight months straight just washing dishes how were you doing this this was my this was my senior year high school to my freshman year in college so so 18 yeah and you and you are also working at Walmart. Yeah. What made you think like that you could be on the internet? Um, I just enjoyed, well, I actually got fired from Walmart. For what? Because I would always skip the weekends to play FNCS. And I got to a point where I missed too many days that they had, they fired me. So you were

always a gamer. Yeah. Well, going up, I played like NBA 2K and Madden. I never played shooting games. Um, on Fortnite was my first ever shooter game. And you were just good at it. Yeah, I was just naturally good. I started on Xbox. My parents got me a PC for Christmas. You played original Fortnite, I'm assuming. Yeah. You play it from the beginning. From the very beginning. Dude, I played it from the beginning. It never really stuck. But that game, I feel like, I don't know if you played it now recently at all, but like the original game was so much better. It's way better. It was less like no game will ever match where Fortnite was in the beginning. It was so crazy. Why do you think games? Why do you think games? I guess I kind of know the answers because

Like they start to like coddle and like painter to the mass audience. Cause at one point that game was like so solid and so consistent with like the matchmaking. And now it's just like you join it. If you're you suck, you're playing robots. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's number one the like what Fortnite did wrong in my opinion was they started doing collabs like the whole game just became an ad like you have Marvel, Star Wars. All these like rappers and artists and like it just became a collab.

They copied phase. Yeah. Holy shit. They copy the old face. Holy shit. I never thought about that. But that like ruins it for the people who actually love the game, but it makes them the most money.

Look at the similarities. That's so crazy. Now that you're saying, and I actually see what you're saying. That's nuts. But I hope they, I mean, maybe they'll go back,

but I doubt it because they're just bringing in so much money. And just the little kids now that love it. So the game will never be the same again. So phase. Actually, before we talk about phase, I still want to continue on like your actual journey of finding your way in it. Because you, you originally, didn't you start, I don't know going viral, but you started getting traction because you were basically like, with like trolling clicks.

Yeah. So I donated like over the span of like a month about $700 to clicks, which was my whole, both my paychecks. And I was just, I enjoyed it because I just got it like I liked getting a reaction out of streamers. Yeah. Like people that I don't know that. And didn't his audience with you. Yeah. So that's what that's what started.

It is at this time, this. was right when Twitter communities were starting to grow. Yeah. And I would like donate and I would like time it perfectly to where he died and it would like trigger him and make him really upset. Yeah. And his chat would just W. Lacey, W. Lacey. And then I go in his Twitter community and they're like this Lacey kid's funny. So then one day I timed it perfectly where he died and I was like, you got no way you just died and got cheated on three times. Something like that. And you could tell it just struck a nerve. He was like, you know what? That's it. I've had it. And he like asks me to in the call with them and then we just started screaming at each other and the clip got like

three million views on a discord call yeah yeah and is that what started your like actual streaming sort of um I didn't stream yet then I was just kind of posting TikToks and every TikTok I would post would just be like me trolling clicks yeah and they would get like millions of views and then he actually reached out to me and he he like got my number and called me on the phone he was like dude you got to start streaming yeah like I really want you to start streaming yeah like I really want you to start streaming I'll play with you. I think you have potential. Just because of the comedy in it, like the jokes, the trolling.

And he was like, he like helped me set like stuff up. He like helped me with like stream schedule and all that. And I started streaming. And I remember my first stream, I had like 80 viewers, which was huge because before that, I was streaming to like six or 12 people. Right. And I had like 80 viewers. And ever since then, I just streamed every day.

What do you think it takes to actually build an audience? I think you need to be able to right now clip farm. It's like a huge thing. You got to be able to like get the clips and get them posted and it has to be right to where it hits the audience and gets views. And then also I think it's just connections. But how do you, this is my question with the clip farming is like there's no sustainability in it because it's like it's almost nowadays where it's like something's viral

and then it's instantly gone because the next thing is just coming. So how do you like translate it to actual viewership? I think it's just more not like, not like the clip farms themselves. It's just like it's just constant. Because if you really look at like clip farming the word itself, it's been around since the beginning of content. Like clip farming is just doing things to entertain the audience that's watching. For sure.

So if you're streaming and you're always doing things that are entertaining the people watching. Yeah. And then certain clips get posted and they come to your stream. They're like, oh, he's not doing. that exact clip but this was funny this was funny yeah they're gonna stick around and watch so it's most comedy based yeah yeah how do you always been just someone who was kind of funny yeah i was like i guess you could say like the class clown in school yeah just because like that's just who you were or um yeah i don't know i just i always grew up just i enjoy making people laugh yeah it's

funny how comedy just it transcends every industry like everyone it's like everyone loves it of course i mean who doesn't like to laugh yeah for sure it's just like so do you think that's why most people watch you? Why do you think people continue to f*** with you? I mean, I think it's just a mixture of one, I put effort into my content. Like I always try to plan stuff,

have events, people on stream, stuff going on. Number two, people probably find me funny. And then number three, there's also like, like if you see clips of me, you'll see obviously like the funny and like the awkwardness. Yeah. Like that kind of stuff. But if you actually click on my stream,

like there's like funniness. And then there's also. genuine moments where it's like me being a normal person. Yeah. Why didn't you defend Ronaldo? Sorry, sorry. It's a joke. You had to ask.

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Get your blood work done. Do not wait. I cannot recommend it enough. Transcendcompany.com slash raw talk. First time 50% off. Do it right now. Let's get back into this podcast. Um, I'm gonna be honest. I, uh, I did not want to get my beat. Did you see, did you see the, uh, I like the joke and say it was the real version where you got jacked in tattoos. Oh, I did see at the AI one. Yeah. Yeah, I tell everybody. I mean, should I tell everybody what actually. Say what. Yeah. Say what. Yeah. All right. So when the camera went down. Yeah. I stepped up to you and I stepped up to you and I punched you. I know. I talked about that on my stream the other night. I was like, it was actually the real part like the hug. And then for some reason, it was like in this weird distortion. I hit him and you just got jacked and you, you punked me. Yeah.

And that wasn't even on camera because we put the camera down. Put the camera down, exactly. Yeah. So you did step up. I did step up. I stood up for him. For sure. No, but I just, I don't know.

I feel like I was just kind of in shock. I was like, whoa, what that just happened? Yeah. I didn't really know how to react, to be honest. I've never been in a situation like that. So I just kind of stood there. Yeah. Interesting.

Did that change your perspective of me? Or did you have a perspective of me before you came? Um, not really. I just, I just like knew that you were like a bodybuilder. Yeah. But not really like, personality perspective that much. Yeah, for sure. Um, but no, it didn't change anything because I under like I, I even said from the beginning, I understand both sides. Yeah. Yeah. Like he shouldn't

have touched your hat and I think it was overdoing it when you hit him. For sure. And I think both were in the wrong. That was my initial opinion. For sure, for sure. Um, but the gym, you guys came to the gym. You and before this all happened, I was speaking to you and you had lost how much weight? This is guy I really wanted to talk to you about this. Yeah. Um, and I'm gonna be honest, I've never like, I'm like open to talk about that because I've never publicly talked about like weight loss or weight struggles throughout my life at all, like on the internet. It's just because I've always been insecure about it. But recently, since I've been losing weight and like actually trying, I'm open to talk about it. At that time, I think I was

down to like, that was what, like two months ago? Yeah. I was down to like maybe 250, I think I told you. Yeah. Have you struggled with weight your whole life? I wasn't overweight my whole life. I always played basketball. So basketball always kept me in shape. Yeah. But I was always like stockier. And I remember like even like going to basketball camps, basketball practices. Like I would always be the kid that like wouldn't want to take a shirt off. Yeah. Like I was always like when they do shirts and skins, I would ask to be on the shirts team just because I was insecure because I was like, I wasn't fat, but I was like stockier than everyone else. I was like big boned. Yeah. And then, um, but basketball kept I if I wasn't playing basketball my whole life, I definitely

would have just been overweight my whole entire life. Is it, you just, is it, is it, was like a family thing or just a, I don't know. I think you, I honestly have no idea. I don't know. My dad's, my dad's like, he's bigger. Like he's like really, his shoulders are really wide. He's stockier. Yeah. Um, but I think it was just maybe a mixture of like how much physical activity I was doing as a kid and I guess what I was eating. But like, I wasn't when I think about like, I would just eat breakfast, school lunch, and then the dinner my mom made. Really?

So you weren't eating like weird that you knew you were like. No, I wasn't eating like fast food growing up. Like I don't know. I mean, maybe I don't, I honestly have no idea. How you got overweight? No. I know, well, no. When I did get overweight, it was in, it was during COVID.

So I was playing basketball, my freshman in sophomore year. And then COVID happened and I lost my junior year. And everybody was just at home out of school. So I was just at home sitting. down playing fortnight 10 hours a day yeah ordering door dash the worst thing and i mean i had no choice like my i couldn't cook i guess so i would just result to ordering door dash and at the time i was making a little bit of money off like um playing fortnight so like the money i would make from like from like tournaments and stuff tournaments like wagers so the money i would make if it was like

eight hundred dollars a month it would just be spent on door dash yeah um and yeah that's really when I got like overweight was during COVID. Is that, is that when you got insecure? Obviously you're overweight. Um, I mean, yeah. I mean, I was,

I guess you could say I was insecure my whole life. You were? Yeah. About what? Just about, I don't really know to be honest. It was just more of a thing where it was like, everybody else around me was either skinny because I was playing AAU basketball

and stuff. So they were all skinny or like muscular and I was just kind of like normal. So I was just insecure about that, I guess. Um, but then, yeah, when, when COVID happened and I got really overweight, that was when I definitely got a lot more insecure. Did, it's interesting because then you, like, had you lost the weight before you got more into content? Say that again? Like, how'd you, you hadn't lost the weight like before you got more into the content. Meaning like you kept making content and you were still overweight. Yeah. So the first six months of me streaming, I didn't do a face cam. Oh,

shit. Yeah. It was just my voice. just like my voice over games. So you were insecure for sure. Yeah. It's not a bad thing by the way. I wouldn't show my face. And there's actually a situation where like there was a thing where I was on a team and I made money and they wanted me to like take a picture of myself to post like, oh, he made

money in this tournament. And I was like, I don't want to post myself. So they were like, okay, just get your roommate to do it. So I like got my roommate to like take a picture of himself. So like I didn't have to face reveal. Holy shit. Yeah. What gave you the confidence to say, fuck it?

Um, it was one day. in, I moved to Texas. It was right before I, it was right after I dropped out of college and I moved to Texas. And I was at this point, I was averaging like 700 viewers. Yeah. With no face cam. That's amazing. Yeah.

And I was like, I was just thinking to myself, I was like, I have to do it. Because I know that if I turn my camera on and people can see my facial reactions and like things I do on the camera, like my views will go up even more because people like when obviously someone has a camera on a stream. Yeah. So I just, one night, I just decided to suck it up and do it. I turned my camera on on stream. I remember I announced like face review and I had like 1,500 viewers,

like double what I usually have when I did the face review. And it was the worst night in my life. Why? Why? Twitter pages like yawksick were posting it, making fun of me, calling me fat, like saying like comparing me to other people, the worst face reveal in history. I was like to a point where like I wanted to kill myself like that week because the whole entire,

I was just a meme on the internet for a week. Like everybody was making fun of me. Yeah. And I didn't do face cam after that again for like another month. Um, but clicks helped me. He, because I was in Dallas in the same building as him and he was like, dude, you got to do it. Like, you're hilarious. They won't care. It'll die down after a week. So I just turned it back on. And for the first like few days to a week, I was really uncomfortable on camera. Like I wasn't myself. I would like try not to move. just to keep the angle that I wanted, stuff like that. I get it. But over time, I got used to it and I just kind of went with it.

And then I got comfortable to the point where I kind of made it like my brand. Yeah. Like the fat jokes. I like made it kind of like my thing. And I like just leaned into it. And I think that's what really helped me because my viewers went up. My views went up. Yeah.

Everything was just. It's interesting how like the internet is just such a nasty toxic place. but the more you lean into the kind of bullshit, it takes the power away. Yeah. And it also then makes them be like, I think it's because it's weird because a lot of people can get that initial reaction

and like most people legitimately, especially if they've not been on the internet, they're not used to it. They're just like, like you said, this. Yeah. Like I don't want to do this anymore. But if you could stick it out, I think that's when people go,

oh, this person's actually cool. No, it's really harsh place. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. It's pretty bad. People are so toxic. And the reason is just because, because they're hiding behind a screen.

Yeah, and they can say whatever they want. Yeah, with no picture of them, nothing what they look like. But yeah. Does it fuck with you anymore now, or is it just like, you don't even think about that? It doesn't,

the fat jokes don't fuck with me anymore just because I know like me personally, I'm the healthiest I've ever been. Yeah. And I'm actually trying like very hard to like get even healthier. So I know that like when I'm trying, if people are hating,

it's like, okay, cool. They're just shheds, dude. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me anymore. No more. Nonsense. So what have you done and what are you doing to like to continue to lose the way? Like what worked for you? Um, so it started. See, this is another thing is people think that it started two months ago and I lost 70 pounds in two months and everybody's like, oh, Ozempic. Yeah, I don't, you don't, you definitely don't look like somebody who's taking

Ozempick. Yeah. And so I, it started back in November of 2023. Okay. Um, me and Click started working out with a personal trainer in Dallas. He would go there and he would make us run around his little track and then he would make us box. Yeah. And I did this for like a month, month and a half. It wasn't really working that well. But the reason it wasn't working was because my eating habits were still super bad. Yeah. So I would go work out for an hour and sure I would box and sweat and wear a trash bag when I run. And I lost like, I lost like 15 pounds in like two months. But I was still eating horribly. I was door dashing every day. I just wasn't disciplined. Yeah. And, um,

Yeah, that was just, that was when it started. And then I tore my MCL doing what, playing basketball. Playing basketball, yeah. So I took a break, not like a break. I guess I just, I stopped going. I don't know, I got tore my MCL. I was streaming even more averaging than most viewers I ever had. So I was just streaming hours.

Kind of focused on that. Around this time, I also got out of like a relationship type of thing that was on and off. And I just kind of got into like a sad place, I guess. And I was like, the biggest I've ever been. I was like 296 pounds. Yeah, I was like almost 300 pounds.

And then I took me in a street fight easy. 260, right? Yeah, were you 290? You would have f*** me up. I was too, I was 296. I remember going to do you're 296 and he was like,

you're 296 and he was like, we're talking about like weight loss surgery. Yeah, at 296 pounds. How did you feel? It was just like, I was just so disappointed in myself because I knew like I was, I was on the right.

I was down 15 pounds. I was working out every day. And then it was just kind of like a setback. Like I fell back. Yeah. And I was like, I had it. And this is like the third time in my life that like I tried to lose weight and I did for like a month or two. And then I just stopped and fell back. Yeah. And I was just disappointed. And then I started to like change my eating habits a little bit. And just by eating like I dropped like 20 pounds. Yeah. By change your eating habits. Yeah. You know a crazy thing about you said like you kind of disappointed. But you know a crazy thing about you said like you kind of disappointed. But. You know, But just so you know now, even still, right? Because you still want to lose weight. Yeah. All that stuff, it's not supposed to just be this linear, okay, I did it. What you're doing, like going through those motions and learning, what's working, what's not working, like back and forth, it's normal. And it's okay.

Like it's just, so take, like, kind of like solace in that. It's not a bad thing that you've, you know, you lost some weight. You fell off. Like, it is just a learning process because, like, someone like me or someone that you see that's in crazy shape or whatever, they've maybe genetically, they're just more predisposed to figuring it out sooner. But like, it is just about learning what's actually working for you, how much food you actually need, what food actually works better for you. It is.

It's trial and error. So like to everyone listening to and to you, if you're in that process or trying to lose weight or body fat, like you, the worst thing you could do is just stop and just be down to yourself because, you know, you came back a lot, you know, you gained some more weight or you lost some strength or whatever your goal is that you're trying to get towards and you go backwards, it's all just an opportunity to learn to like continue to go forward like so don't ever like be so super down on yourself that it's like it's because like you're not dead you know what I'm saying you can keep going and there's always time yeah and it's just about where you're putting your effort

and it's like if I think like why not continue to try to figure that out because I think there's so much so much good on the other side like where you then get to a point where again it's not like you just lose weight and you're like oh this is my life now it's still a continuous process that's my point is like whether you're trying to lose the weight or whether you lost the weight and now you're trying to do something else like that's just a part of your life where it's like you just keep learning what is working okay I want to try and do this now what do I need to do and then you fuck up you get better you fuck up but that that's just life yeah it's tough though in a situation like for for people like you who are like constantly on camera and you're

probably constantly judged by what people are saying or comments people make or bringing up old shit or whatever the but like it you can't you can't like I mean I've kind of I just turn it into like I want to be because like the amount of DMs I get of people like DMing me asking me oh like what are you doing to lose weight what are like how are you losing weight can you help me I need to lose weight like the fact that like I can help other people who were in a situation I was in yeah and like even if it's just one person that's inspired to lose weight and they lose weight because they saw me do it like that's just that means everything yeah that's what honestly is the main thing I want to talk to you about because like obviously you have this popularity

you have the fame or whatever you want to call and you're you're you know you're doing your thing and you're trendy you're relevant you're that guy you're a part of this group and and things are going really well but like you still struggle I'm assuming with the weight stuff yeah and you still have a lot to do but yeah man like you you you I'm sure there's tons of kids who watch you that are probably like well if he can do it I want to do it too so I think even just you doing it going through and sharing like the ups and downs and everything you're talking about now you are doing that literally yeah that's what I've made it like a huge huge point in my stream like ever since I really started like I really started the weight loss

like going hard at it I'd say like four months ago yeah I moved to Miami and I met Aden Ross yeah and I was hanging out at his warehouse with them and he was at the time training with someone named Mac yeah and I met Mac should completely change my life yeah like I'll now forever be grateful for him that's dope all right guys cook and orange for the podcast this pod is sponsored by better help I've talked about this but it is never not an important thing to talk about mental health. A lot of us obviously get input from people around us, people in our circle, people who a lot of the times are somewhat biased on our situations or on what's happening with us because

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single day um for like three months straight and during that time like i started when i started working out with mac i think i was 270 22 or something like that was after i lost like 20 pounds just from changing my eating yeah um and Then I moved from Miami, which I still like, it was, that was the only reason that I was debating between coming to L.A. and staying in Miami solely because like Mac is in Miami. Yeah. And I just like, I found a trainer that I actually enjoyed working out with and that I like was seeing progress. And I think when I moved to here, I was at like 250 or 2.45 or something like that. Yeah. When I actually moved here. And since I've been here,

It's been more of just like, like I am not working out every day, but I'm still going. Right. But it's not every day like religiously like it was. But I've seen like even more weight loss just because of what I've been eating. Yeah. Like I like I never knew how important what you eat was to weight loss. Like it's, I think it's more important than actually going to the gym. For sure.

As far as weight loss, 100%. Because like you said earlier, you can do all the stuff like you're doing the runs. But it's like if you're still eating it doesn't matter. Like you're always. is going to be able to out calorie the work. Yeah. And so if you're eating the nonsense, it's like, yeah, maybe you're getting stronger. Maybe you're, maybe you're better in the gym or you're better at boxing, whatever it is.

But it doesn't mean you're going to be like losing the body weight if you're not getting the calories properly. Yeah. So what do you think the hardest part of fat loss for you is? Is it saying no to certain foods? Honestly, it's probably just, I'd say just getting myself to actually go to the gym was the hardest. I don't know why. It's just like before I want to go, I just don't want to go.

Yeah. But once I'm there, I'm fine. It's just not wanting to go. But when it comes to like diet-wise, I'd say cravings of just like sweets. Yeah. I love sweets growing up. Yeah, me too.

But I haven't had a sweet and I don't even remember the last time I had like a cookie or. I ate a whole bag of cookies on stream last night. I feel like a scumb bag. It's been a minute. I haven't had fast food. or a cookie in probably four months. Dude, I'm proud of you.

So what, but so what's your best, like, what's the number one sheet meal in your mind if you could eat whatever you want it? What's like the thing is like. Right now, probably, I don't know. I'm always like a big like, I like cheesecake or like ice cream. Oh, it would probably be like, oh. You know like a Pizuki? No, what's that?

A Pizu Kizzi. So BJ's has these like they're like like pretty much like almost half baked cookies with like ice cream on top. So they're like soft cookies in a pan thing. and like ice cream and I for some reason like soft cookies and ice cream are just the best dessert ever for me if I could go for it with a cheat meal right now it would probably be Taco Bell and then my mom's Eminem cookies she made good cookies really good cookies do you think that so so did your your gaining weight did that start when you were a kid just because

of like stuff like that maybe probably yeah I mean we always my house always had snacks like chips, cookies, ice cream. And I guess I would just get into it. That's one of the worst things. Like I've realized for me, for me to not like, it's not even so much I'm trying to like not gain weight, but for me to just eat as healthy as possible, I literally have to not have the food in my house. Yeah, because then you just can't get it. Exactly. Yeah. That's the hardest thing. Like for so if for people out there who are listening, like if you have a really hard time, it's really who you're around, what they're eating and like what's in your ability to get. Because If it's there, you know it's there. It's like, it's so much harder to say no.

10 times harder to say no. Yeah, just get it out of your house. Just don't have it 100%. That's also been something that's been, I've had to learn in L.A. though, is being out here, like the phase boys. Yeah. They're always going out to eat like in and out and going this place and that place. And I, it's on stream. So I go because I'm streaming too. Yeah. But I've learned to discipline myself to just kind of sit there and not eat and just watch them eat like. I mean, You could have it in and out just like have it, you know, and, you know, without the, I'm the type of person where if I feed into it one time.

You just keep going. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. So I just kind of let them eat and I just sit there. So what do you eat mostly now then? I'll wake up in the morning and I'll have, oh, another thing. This is for anybody trying to lose weight. I'd say the number one thing that helped me.

Growing up, I hated water. I would not drink any water. I would just so bad for you. I know, but I hated it. And I hated soda too, though. So I would drink like Gatorade. body armor, cool age is juice,

milk, like that stuff. Oh yeah. The last like three, four months, nothing but water. That's the, that is the easiest way

to gain weight is liquid calories, especially sugar. That's probably what it was growing up, honestly, because I, I don't know what it was.

I just hated water so much. So you found yourself to like water more now? I force myself to like it. And now it's all I drink because I know I have to. That is literally the number one thing that people change,

like the sodas, the sweets, the bullshit like liquid beverages you will lose weight just from cutting that shit out yeah and that's true like for i try to drink like one of the big gallons of water every day yeah and also too it's weird like i mean i don't because i drink so much water and i'm used to doing it because it's like a part of like my life at this point but if you don't drink enough water you also feel like you feel mentally like all these other things yeah tired you feel foggy like a lot of shit is way less efficient like water is the hands down the most important you can be doing

100%. And then sleeping and then training and then all those other things follow it. Yeah. So the training you don't really have a hard part with. It's just more showing up. Yeah. I mean, I've always, even growing up like even now, even when I was overweight, I've always been athletic. Yeah. Like I was I played football, basketball soccer. You bench. I remember at the gym, you know, I was like, this gets actually pretty strong. Yeah. That was my first time benching too. So I didn't really know what I was doing. But yeah, I've always been athletic. And I think that definitely helps. I was like, helps when I like go to training yeah because there's not really much of training like thinking back there's not really anything I couldn't ever do right so I think that helps and I caught on quick

with the actual weight lifting and training yeah do you have a picture like a picture of yourself how you want to look in your mind like in the futures or like a goal of yours um not really a picture I guess just I just kind of want to just get to where I'm like happy I guess yeah I'm the happiest I've ever been like like when I think like I'm the most confident I've ever been yeah Congrats, man. But not like a picture. I just kind of take it day by day. Yeah.

That's perfect, man. So Fais, talk a little bit about Faze because you brought it up. How has that changed? Do you think your trajectory as far as like popularity goes? I think it's huge. Like it's, I think it's taken me from like more streaming like content, like Twitter, YouTube, like to like actual mainstream things. because I mean the thing with phase is

phase was already like a mainstream brand like you could go down the block and people would know what phase is yeah um not just gamers and obviously you know the past couple years it hasn't been where it should be just because of all the stuff with banks losing ownership and all the like the brands

the corporate bulls yeah I've talked to him about it yeah um but I think him bringing in a bunch of people who already had communities in streaming and kind of like putting us together and saying you guys do what you want like we're here to support you like you guys are running the show.

I mean it's it's what phase was. Yeah, it was just, it's just friends. I know a lot of people like they got all mad about like certain people were not a part of it anymore or whatever. I remember that whole moment on the internet but it's like I obviously everyone couldn't stay a part of it granted what they were trying to do.

But at the end of the day like that like you guys doing what you're doing now is the most phase has been in a long time because it's kind of like that's what it was from the beginning like people in a house making content having fun exactly and that's when it flourished the most too yep so do you think do you think phase is like going to get to a a higher point than it was before 100% you believe that yeah I do I just think like the dynamic that all of us have on and off camera I never would have expected it like I knew obviously I knew Max, I knew Silky, I knew rage, I knew Ron, me and Ron were good friends before. I knew Jason, but we weren't like close. We would just do content with each other

here and there, but we weren't like good friends, but joining Faze and us like hanging out off stream, on stream doing stuff together every day. Like we became really close as a group. Yeah. Um, I think, I think we're just getting started to be honest. Like we have so many things planned like obviously we're going to Japan tomorrow. Yeah. And I think that's going to tap into a whole new thing because that's like a that's a whole new country that could be a whole new audience yeah dude japan is the most fun i've had traveling in the last like five years you're i'm excited i love i'm excited to go the food is so good too it's healthy too so you don't yeah that ramen is so good would you know where in japan you're going i think we're going to a few

places but you're going to Tokyo yeah we're on Tokyo yeah there's this real i'll send you the name of it i'll like google it but there's this really good ramen place you have to eat this is it good it's healthy too yeah it's dude it's so good It's so good. So, fucking good. But the people are cool, man. Like, though, they, they, I guess in Tokyo, it's way easier. I know they're not as weird about, like, streaming and stuff.

Because I think, like, a lot of people visit there. But the culture in general is very, like, to themselves. Yeah, respect and to themselves. So how, I wonder how that's going to work with, like, the trolling. Yeah. Like, I wonder how Ron's going to do out there. Yeah, no, me and Ron talked about it. I don't, we're going to, we're not going to troll as much just because it's like,

different country and yeah obviously a thing out there for them is a huge thing is respect so we're going to obviously be respectful of that and not troll um as much as you know we can but yeah yeah hopefully we don't offend anybody or yeah i don't think so you guys you guys have good intentions i don't think you have like bad intentions at all no we don't have there has there been any streamers or people that you met that you're like they weren't what you thought they would be you don't have to say any names i guess just like met in person yeah not really to be honest not that i can think of off top of my head no what's the what's the is it ray bruce is always taking shots bruce yeah yeah i don't know i don't he's he's just taking shots at

everybody yeah reason he literally he came out to l-a stayed at the phase house we let him stay at our at our house we were like very good hospitality we let him stay there with all his friends yeah we were like hanging out every day like doing stuff he was on my stream yeah we're supposed to do a stream with them um and then he just goes back he wanted to join phase like that like i'm pretty sure that's why he's all of a sudden like lashing out is because he wanted to join phase yeah and we were basically like maybe but we're kind of doing our like we kind of have this group right now that's clicking like we don't want to add anything in like mess up any momentum that we have.

And I think maybe he took that to heart. And then all of a sudden yesterday, he just went live and started just talking. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. You started popping off. Yeah. Yeah. He's something about like putting the money behind these people or whatever.

And you saw the clip. I was watching live. I don't know. I think, I just think there's, he just, he burns every bridge. Yeah. Like, there's a reason. But it wasn't like that in person. No, in person.

It was cool. It was chill. It was like we were hanging. out like he he was like vlogging taking he recorded a music video at the house we like got food we hung out yeah he was sleeping there for like a few days like we were like all super nice to him he was he was chill with us and then all of a sudden he goes home and it's phase lazy ron yeah yeah yeah i mean obviously i don't know anything about what actually happened i wasn't there but yeah no i mean nothing even happened like i thought everything was good yeah i mean

this is a part of it yeah Has there ever been other, like, beasts that you've avoided or, like, you've been a part of? Not really beef. I don't really beef with people. Like, I don't find the point of beefing with somebody. Yeah. I kind of just try to stay cool with everybody. But, um, I guess if you consider beef, I'd say jinxie. Yeah. It's not really a beef. It's more one-sided on his part. He doesn't like you. No. Why? Um, I guess. I mean, it would, I wouldn't say beef. So basically him. Maybe you trolled him. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Him and clicks. got into this whole, like, thing a while back about his girlfriend.

I think, I think, I don't want to say her name, but it's fine. Jinxie's girlfriend, now girlfriend. And I kind of just went live and trolled. Yeah. And just did what I did, tried to get clips. And he got mad at me for it and, like, blocked me and stuff. But then he, like, reached out and we talked it out. And I thought we were cool.

And then he randomly just blocked me again. And then he called me out to box them. Are you going to box them? No, I can't. I have a torn MCI. If I didn't have a torn MCI, I'd box him. I don't think it would be fair. You versus him is not fair. No. Because you're heavy, right? I'm, I'm like 220 pounds now and he's like, imagine if you were 260. Oh, imagine taking him to a street fight. Yeah, so funny. But no, I just don't think that's fair. There's weight classes in boxing for a reason. Yeah, of course. Um, but yeah, I don't know. He, like, he called clicks out to box and then clicks back out of the fight. And then he was like,

oh, box Lacey. Yeah. And I was just like, For what? Like, why am I going to bach somebody for no reason? I don't have anything against you. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Did you, did you have any issue? Like, you've had stuff with girls, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right, guys, quick and orange for the podcast. Now, if you've been guessing what you're trying to eat, you're trying to lose some weight, you're trying to build some muscle, whatever it is, you're guessing. You're making guesses constantly ordering food, spending way too much money on Postmates. It's terrible. HelloFresh is a meal delivery service that basically sends you all the ingredients that you need to make the meal that's going to be best for you and your goal, whatever you're trying to accomplish, right? Because before you

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like you're doing things with somebody every day coupley things even if it's on stream obviously there's going to be some real feelings involved there yeah and then it became real um we tried to take it off the internet didn't really work we mean tried to take it off the internet Like, we just tried to, like, we stopped doing streams together. Got it. So we could focus on, like, us. Actually having a relationship. Yeah.

Yeah. Because it got to that point. Yeah. And then my community just wouldn't let it happen. Wouldn't let you just have that without. It was just like. What do you mean by that, though? It's interesting when streamers like, don't.

It's like, like, there was like issues with stalkers, people taking pictures of us together in public, like that kind of stuff. We had that issue one time. um then it's just stuff where it's like them i don't even know how to it's so weird like they just they get so deep in to like you my life that if she just like posted a tictock they're like screw like trying to find something that she did or like if she posts a snapchat story they're trying to find where she's at yeah stuff like that like just like getting like stock stocky ish. Yeah. And it just got to a point where it couldn't, like, not be on the internet. Um,

and then there was some drama that happened, um, where I found out she was like lying to me a little bit, not a little, she was lying to me. Yeah. Um, but I don't have any hate towards her. Like, it's all, it's all love. Yeah. I obviously care about her. Um, and people make mistakes. I've made mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. So it's no like animosity or hate or anything. Yeah. It's got to be hard to like, especially that community to have a relationship because like when you try to balance it, it's almost like they're so tapped in. The audience is so. Because they see my life every day for eight hours. Like they see my life live every day. I don't know. I think it was just a thing where it started off. I had no intention of getting

into a relationship with anybody with her. Yes. And then it just kind of ended up that way. But it was too late because it was already all online. Yeah. So, Would you moving forward, would you, would you choose to not have your relationships online? I would never do that again. Yeah. It just, it was like the amount of things that happened, it just ran everybody. And it also like, it changes me because I acted out of character and did something I would never do normally. Yeah.

Which was? I went live and just out of anger and just like. Yeah. Not good. Not good. Just like, I crashed out. Yeah. And that's something I would never do just because I wouldn't want to like hurt anybody.

yeah but um yeah you're learning yeah so it's like yeah it's tough though having relationships in the internet like especially being in the in the in the public eye or whatever just having even whatever audience like being so connected to you it's like they want to know everything and that's like a really that's a super hard thing to balance i think for all content creators but i think for the live stream is probably even harder yeah because of the amount of time that you spend live yeah i mean they like i'm living my life with them yeah and then if you don't And you're not live, you're like, what the fuck is he doing? Oh, no, exactly.

Yeah. And it's, it gets, it got really bad for a little bit. Like, it was very, very bad. We had nights where, like, we would go to a party and my fans would be, like, calling, trying to see who was on the guest list of the party to try to see if I'm there. What the fuck? And it's just like, things like that. And it's like, do I don't have any privacy.

Yeah. And. Does that ever deter you to make you like, maybe I don't want to do this or? No. Yeah. Because, like, their number. one over everything because I mean what sure they're attached to me too but like I'm living my life every day talking to them every day yeah so it's just kind of it's it's definitely like no it would

never deter me yeah I mean you you have such a blessed life now because of it too yeah because of exactly I mean I I lost my train of thought no like my question though what I was going to say was did you ever think that your life was going to be this way no I mean I was in law school I was, or pre-law, I was gonna go to law school. You'd be a lawyer? You know what kind of lawyer you wanted to be? I wanted to be a defense lawyer. That's sick. Yeah. And so you have no, you're like completely no more for that?

No. I mean, I hated school. I didn't like school at all. I hated school too, bro. It was just so, it just wasn't me. I was just talking about this on the pod with, I just did with Sarah on my other pod, but did you, do you have anything I was kind of not arguing with it when I was asking her? Is there anything from school that you learned that like you apply in your life now? like what was the most useful thing about you going to school social skills that's it yeah like actual like learning like history science i don't use any of it yeah just just like the social skills

of going to school and learning how to like be around people and talk to people and just that stuff i mean i think that's the main part of school is just like developing socially like being able to read a room like how to handle certain situations with friends and relationships yeah but i i think that school needs just like to teach like fine like if I had a finance class bro it just tax yes like I didn't know I didn't know I didn't know I didn't even know what taxes were to like two years ago into you yeah dude I've I've been there it's just yeah no school I I mean school's not for everybody but it definitely is for some people yeah what do you enjoy the most in your life right now that's not streaming and not video games I don't even play video games anymore to be

honest at all so you suck at Fortnite now Like, I'm still pretty good. No, I'm so pretty good. Okay. Like, I'll get on and do decent in a tournament still. Really? Yeah. Just like that?

I qualified for the, uh, the third round of FNCS. So you're just not going to do it anymore though? No. It's just not, it's just not like, it's not me anymore. And it wasn't me. I was always trying to find a way to shift out of Fortnite and get into the more IRL mainstream content. I just had to do it properly.

And I had a whole plan on how to do it. And I executed it perfectly, I think. Yeah, which was what the trolling clicks. It was just kind of like, just like start in the Fortnite and then once I was in Fortnite, I wanted to shift my way out. So I would just slowly over time start doing different stuff. I started to do e-dates. And e-dates was a huge thing. Yeah, I seen some stuff you did recently like with the, the girls. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. That's good content. That's really good content. But when I say e-dates,

it's more like that- You're talking about online. Yeah, that was my, that was my main way I shifted out of content was I put like jinxie on an e-date. I put kye on an e-date speed. Yeah. Like I put all these streamers on an e-date and I kind of, it shifted my way out of Fortnite into IRL content and then never went back. Yeah. So what is the evolution of IRL content in your opinion? Because you're in it and you do it. And I've looked at it and like over the last, I would say two years, it's like it's had these waves of like, it's like just straight trolling or like violence or something crazy. Yeah. Like where does it go from here? I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea. I mean, like I think it's definitely better than it was a couple months ago. Yeah. A couple months ago it was like violence and like fighting and

parties and like weird stuff like and that was when kick was first starting. Yeah. So everybody was just trying to like go to kick as many viewers as they can. So oh, I'm going to fight someone. Yeah. Um, but I think I think it's definitely toning back more to like normalness. Yeah. But I don't know. Like it could like for all we know in a month it could be at like it can be crazy. I there's no way to predict it. Yeah. I have no idea. But, like, a few months ago, I was scared that, like, I was convinced that someone was going to end up dying on stream.

Yeah. With the way it was happening. Yeah. It was, like, doing this. Yeah, it was like, getting bad. It's fucking nuts, man. I just, I just wonder where it goes because it's such a, it's weird because it's, it's not the, it's not the biggest type of content, but it seems to be, like, one of the most popular.

Is it just because it's live and people are constantly watching the same person, like, every day? I don't know what it is. I think it's just people, I don't know. Maybe people like to see things that they can't do. Maybe people just, maybe it is just the fact they want to see that person do things live. Live.

Because I've made content for so many years and like, you know, super grateful for where I'm at my life. So super blessed. But it's so different now. Like to be really popular nowadays, it's way different. Yeah. Than when it was when I had started, which was like you can build like a real core audience

on, like, say something like YouTube, but now it's like YouTube doesn't even have that same sort of feel at all. Yeah, I know. I don't know. It's a weird, it's weird because it's like, maybe because like I said earlier about how things are viral, then they're gone, viral then they're gone. It's like, what's making people stick now? Because a lot of people come and go like that now. Uh-huh. I mean, I, I kind of miss how it used to be. I'm going to be honest because it's, it was, it was, I wish, I could go live from my setup and play a game and people would be happy with that. But it's just not how it is. Like, if I go. live at my setup and play a game people spam my chat with z's and say boring yeah yeah because

they want me to go outside and say somebody smells like shit three times yeah it's like but there has to be a balance though right because you can yeah you have to you can't i was talking ron about this like you can't base all your content solely off of just iRL stuff like i feel like you have to have that balance because yeah we talked about before it's like the core is like they'll watch you no matter what Yeah, IRL doesn't really build a core. So I've noticed that like, if I do an IRL stream, I'll have like 15, 20,000 people watching. But then when I'll do an IRL, like a desktop where I just sit at my setup,

it's like 8 to 10,000. Yeah. And that 8 to 10,000 is like, that's my community. Yeah. And they'll watch the IRAs too. But the people who just watch the IRAs, they won't come in for the desktops because I'm not doing crazy stuff. Yeah.

So I think it's just a mixture of being able to like do the IRL, maybe a couple hundred people come to your next desk. and just keep, like, trying to build that core community that you have. Does it ever trip you out how many people? Because that's a lot of people. Yeah. That's a ton of people watching you. I know.

I guess I think if they were in front of me, it would be a lot different. Like, I would be freaked out. But I think just because it's like on the screen, I don't really like realize how many people would actually. It's almost like how people spend money online. It's like not real cash. You're just like, this is easy next to know you're broke. Yeah.

Are you good with your money? Yeah. I'm pretty good with my money. Yeah. What do you, what do you, are you, do you like, want to create other business is. Do you want to invest in things? Like, what's your, what did your future look like? I definitely want to, I definitely want to have a business, whether it's a, I've thought about a clothing brand, not merch, but like an actual clothing brand. Right. So I don't want it to be like

Lacey. I want to like an actual brand. Um, and then I think I'm going to, I'm trying to, I'm looking now. I want to buy my first like property. Got to. Yeah. I want to get my first property by next year. And you, there was a, there was a clip of you leaking how much, I don't know how much you made a month but it was like oh yeah you saw that i mean of course you saw that yeah no everybody saw it yeah um most of that money is made from what from subs or from ads ad revenue ad revenue yeah so just from subs watching it's just it's just people like if you have 10 000 viewers um and you run an ad 10,000 people are watching the ad so you'll get a revenue per like view right you don't have a specific deal with twitch no it was interesting because when kick first started popping up it seemed

like Twitch was like but now Twitch is like really yeah I don't recently I think it just kind of picked back up um kick was I was gonna sign to kick I was I was signed to kick yeah I signed the contract and everything and I was like I came to it was actually crazy it's a crazy story I signed to kick um I was ready to come over like full time on kick and stream on kick yeah and then I came to L.A to shoot the announcement video like that was the reason I came to L.A. and then I ended up coming out here and being at the phase house with everybody like me it was me max rage silky Jason and Ron yeah and I just realized like okay this group has potential on Twitch I can't do this anymore like we're gonna we're gonna do this on Twitch so how much money

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Like how much you gave up, essentially? It was millions. Yeah? Yeah. So you gave that up because of the potential, because the other creators weren't on kick and you wanted to be able to make content with them on Twitch. I just, it was just a gut feeling like,

okay, I feel like I'm going to make this money anyways. There's no point in rushing into it, so I make it this year. And then. But was it because if you were on kick, then you couldn't do the Twitch stuff? No, I could still do it with them on Twitch stuff. but it's just the at the time aiden wasn't streaming he was on like a month break yeah and kick was kind of losing traction because aiden wasn't streaming and i just didn't think it was the

right decision at that time in my career even if you could have done both well i could still do the content with them on twitch but i can't stream on twitch got it okay yeah so you saw like a like more longevity on the twitch platform yeah i see yeah because it kind of like it seemed as though like Kik's main core audience was basically Aden's audience. Yeah. It's a lot easier to grow on Twitch. It's more organic users. Yeah.

Got it. Um, so you made that decision. You started making content and you just stayed, you just stayed streaming on Twitch. Do you ever stream on Kik? Um, I have like once before. Yeah. When I got banned on Twitch for a week. Yeah.

But no. How did the band, the bands, because I was talking to Ron about this. But like the band stuff is that do you, and sometimes it looks like from that outside, it's like, do streamers want to get banned? I don't. Some people probably do. I don't know. And getting banned, it's just you miss out. You can't stream for seven days or three days or whatever it is or sometimes 30 days. Yeah. So you miss out on streaming. You stop like any momentum you had. Yeah. Um, you'd lose the revenue for that week that you were making. And then

it's also just like if you get a certain amount of bands, you get, permanently banned. So that just adds to it. Who do you like streaming with the most? Is it Ron? Um, I love us. I like all of us together, honestly. Yeah. But if I had to pick a person, I don't know. That's hard. Yeah. It's kind of like a fed question. Sorry. No, you're good. I don't really think I like streaming with anybody the most. I think it's just more of like everybody together. Yeah. To be honest. Yeah, different, different dynamics. Yeah. So, Going back to the fitness stuff a little bit, so are you still training regularly or is that like your when you're traveling? Like how do you balance it? I've been traveling a lot. So it hasn't been, I haven't been as steady. But when I'm in like LA and just like actually living here, I have been yeah, going to gym. Just not like the recently I've been traveling so much. Yeah. That I just kind of. But then, but another thing is that what comes with the traveling is walking five, six miles a day. The best. Because I'm up. iRL streaming so it's just kind of it's kind of like yeah hand in hand still doing something

yeah yeah what do you think you struggle with the most in your life right now um related to streaming or anything just in your life though probably sleep i don't get a lot of sleep relatable i don't get a lot of sleep right now that's probably the only thing and then i'm tired during the day um yeah it's funny rome was supposed to come do the pod for me and sarah and he was like go the flight got in late he texted me at like 2 a.m. like can't make it yeah so then I text you I was like are you still going to make it because I'm assuming you were on the same flight no I was on a different flight oh you're on a different flight yeah there's like got delayed like five times but I flew out I flew out at eight in the morning oh so you were chilling yeah I got there early so I could

stream nice nice yeah I'm glad you made it man for sure yeah I thought wrong was just flaky but I guess not he's probably actually really no their flight got delayed like four times they were complaining in the group chat because they all wanted to stream and they didn't get back to like super late last night. So you live at the Faze House then? Yeah. I'm not trying to docks at this question, but I'm assuming it's in the hills.

Yeah. Do you ever plan to like, I guess the Japan thing is like the traveling. Like are you gonna, because you know like you see streamers like speed and this guy's like all over the world. Worldwide. Everywhere.

Yeah. Do you plan to do you guys plan to do more stuff like that? We want to. I think because once you like go to these different places and like they feel like, oh wow. like phase just came to japan they're like that's cool like they're like messing with our with our culture yeah i think that creates a whole new audience of people who can watch you and i think like being worldwide is just it's a whole different thing like if you look at speed compared to any other

streamer like he'll go to spain or somewhere and the guy i feel like he's non-stop like traveling he is he's he's killing it yeah speed is how the fuck these streamers making so much money Do you think it's just ads? Or you think it's also just the connection with the audience that allows them to get more money for it. It's just a mixture of everything. Like ads, then you have brand deals.

Yeah. Like their own personal brands and then donations. Yeah. Does so you sign with Faze, does Faze take a percent? No. Faze doesn't take any percentage of our revenue and they also don't pay us anything. Interesting.

Yeah. So it's just kind of like. Whoa. What? Yeah. Banks has said that before, so I'm pretty sure I'm good to say that. Yeah. Well, that's also like, that makes it way more interesting. Yeah. Because it makes it way more like what it was. So it's like it's just, are you guys about this? Yeah. That's that. And that's when Banks approached me. And I'm, I'm sure he did the same thing when he approached Max and Jason and

Ron and Silky and everybody else to sign. He basically said, this is going to be a thing where we want to bring it back to how it used to be phases and doing this thing. we pay our creators to be in phase anymore yeah because it's just not organic then he was like you guys can grow with us and grow phase and phase will grow you like and i'm assuming he's he's helping create opportunities though as well right oh 100% i mean like you have things like the house yeah like phase pays for the house for sure so there's there's that i guess that's like a form of payment for sure because i know that house is definitely not yeah it's a nice yeah and then you also have things where it's like him giving opportunities like the other night we went to the Ian

concert and or like having certain people on stream or yeah and like another thing is he's like like phase has a team where if I have an idea it happens they'll help you produce it yeah yeah and that's a huge that was that was the main thing for me like if I have an idea if I want to do a dating show yeah like I tell them it'll be done within a week like we'll have it ready so that is that's it it's a different form of payment yeah it's not like the typical here's some money you're a part of phase it's like it's like it's not like here's 10k a month put phase in your name it's more like okay let's we'll help you if you help us like let's work together yeah dude phases i mean banks i'm assuming it's not just him i well who else is making

decisions apex is still there um yeah apex is still there but i'm pretty it's just mainly banks yeah and then banks is a sharp motherfucker yeah he's he's smart dude yeah i'm impressed because like yeah the whole the whole the whole narrative is starting to shift it. I mean, it was like, oh, phase is done, phases this. Now it's beginning. Everybody was like, oh, who are these people? Yeah, they were mad. They were mad. Things isn't gaming anymore. It's just streaming now. But now I think people are really starting to understand the vision and see that like we're just a bunch of kids having fun. Yeah. Do you, do you, I mean, I kind of asked a little bit about like what you plan to do as far as clothing or, you know, investments. But what do you think the future holds for you? Like,

you want to be one of the biggest streamers ever as like a like a speed type goal part of me does but part of me doesn't like part of me wants to reach that level where it's like international like speed type level or like kai type level or aiden but then part of me doesn't because I think about five six years from now when I have a wife and kids and we go out to dinner and people want pictures like I don't I don't know if I want that life 10 years from now yeah but you definitely want a family then it sounds like yeah yeah that's like that's always been my main goal in life that's dope man that's good that's an important goal it's in a goal like a lot of people forget these days yeah no i've always always growing up it's always been like my guess my goal is

just to have a family in a house and make sure my families my kids can go to school and yeah my wife doesn't want to work she doesn't have to she could stay home with the kids it's good man are you religious at all um i went i don't know I mean, I believe in God, but I'm not like, I don't go to church. I'm not, I don't say I'm super religious, no. Yeah. But you believe in God. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I definitely, I definitely get that because I grew up like a Catholic, I went to Catholic school, all-boys school. I went to Catholic school my whole life. Yeah. And so it, it's weird because it made me a little bit kind of not like. No, me too. It like pushed me back because it got forced

on to me. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if this is how God really wants things to be. It's just a weird, maybe because there was so much weird structure that I was younger and I was like what like giving money and like all this was like felt weird to me like I don't know if this is a god thing or people wanting some money thing yeah so it always gave me a weird relationship to like religion but I've always been like a big believer in God I've had struggles personal with it just because of like my life and my circumstances but um yeah I just think it's an important thing to talk about a lot of people seem to shy away from talking about that kind of shit nowadays it's like no I mean I talk about it I'm not like a huge I'm not super religious but I definitely

believe in God. Yeah. As there been anything in your life that like made you, I guess the question is I'm kind of going towards is like, I've talked to a lot of people over the years on, you know, in this format podcast and just in general, people who have like high levels of success, not relating it to God, but the idea, I guess it's a little bit God, but like did you, before you had anything, like did you always feel like there was more for you in your life before you had it? Like when you were younger um like the idea of like I could do something more than uh like what's considered normal yeah yeah I mean I would even growing up like I was always not ahead of people but like my mindset was always like different than like everyone else around me like everybody was like

in high school people always drank like vaped I never touched any of that in grade school it was like swearing I never swore yeah and then in college it was partying and trying to get with girls and going out and getting drunk and I never partied yeah it was more of like I always had like more of a mindset of like okay there everybody else is doing this I want to focus on something else so that five years from now I'm ahead yeah how do you think you had that foresight though I think it's just my parents the way I was raised yeah a solid man they just always most people just fall into what everyone else is doing yeah but that's a crazy thing when because so many people want more than what everyone else has but they just do what everyone else does exactly and they're

not willing to do what you have to do to get what you want yeah such a weird concept i don't get it i don't understand why people don't see that like they i think you just get caught up like just peer pressure it caught up in life like hey we're going out you want to come yeah had you ever fallen into that kind of shit no I've never, I've never like, I mean, I've been to a few parties, but like even at parties, I'll just, I kind of just like stand there. Yeah, me too. Like, I'll just like kind of like stand in the corner, like act like I'm drinking and just

kind of like, dude, I don't know, it was never my thing. I was just always more of like a person who wanted to work. Yeah. Like in college, when I first started streaming, all my friends would go out every weekend and I would stay inside and stream. So it's, yeah, it's crazy. It's always what it takes. Yeah, it's just different.

It's just like a mindset thing. I don't know. I care more about the future than having fun. In the moment. In the moment on that Friday night. Yeah. And so you think your parents thought you that? Yeah, 100%.

Because the way I was raised, it was just super like, I also am a big believer in if you're a strict parent, you're kind of like enabling your kids to want to disobey you. Interesting. And my parents, my parents were never strict with me at all. But I also never gave them a reason to be sure.

strict. Like I've never been grounded. Interesting. So, but yeah, it was definitely the way they, they raised me like teaching me right and wrong, letting me make my own decisions. And if I made a mistake, I made that mistake and I have to own up to it. You feel like because there wasn't such rigorous like borders. Yeah. I mean, like if my parents, my whole life preached to me, you're not allowed to party till you're this age. Like, mom, can I go out with friends? No, you're not allowed. There's going to be alcohol there. I would disobey and sneak out. Like, I would want to disobey them. but if they said like the way it was growing up if I was like mom can I go to this party

she'd be like yeah you can I'll take you but just be safe and be smart yeah and then I always hand the back of my head like okay if I do this like what would my mom think interesting it's I mean it makes sense how it because you didn't have the hard like you know you have to do this that you were like oh maybe I don't want to do something yeah exactly it's interesting good good parenting man shout to your parents no they're the best Love them, man. What do they think about what you're doing? They're, at the beginning, my mom's always been super supportive of anything I try to do.

My dad in the beginning, he's more old school. Yeah. So he didn't really understand the whole like social media video games. And me and him would always, I remember as like in high school, me and he would always go back and forth. Just like, you need to get off that game. Oh my God. That's one of the most classic things. Because he didn't understand.

He was like, get off that game, like go outside. Well, he could only base what he knows off of what he knew. Exactly. You know. So I understood. But like at the same time, I was always telling him, like, dad, I just made $200 in a day from this tournament. Like, blah, blah, this and that.

And then as I slowly started to like show him that when I started to stream and I would like, I remember my first paycheck I showed him, I was like, look how much I made this month. Yeah. This is off playing video games. And he started, he like sort of kind of started to understand and like support me. And then once he fully like understood it and he was actually the one. who like convinced me like take a gap year off of school move to Texas and try it out full time so yeah ever since like he actually understood what it was he'd be he's been my number

one fan yeah so they must think it's pretty pretty dope what you're doing right now that yeah they think it's really cool dude that's special man that's cool then it sounds like you got to figure it out bro you're sharp hopefully what do you what what what what do you like I don't know like how I'm trying to figure out to ask this question could you i guess i'll just ask this would you where you're at now would you have done anything differently to get where you're at knowing what you know now um content wise like creation wise probably not no something you would have done more of something you would have done sooner no because i feel like i feel like if i if i had done anything sooner it could have thrown

off like if I decided to switch out a fortnight a month sooner like it wouldn't have went as smooth as it did if I decided to do certain things at different times like no I don't think I don't think I would have done anything different yeah I don't want to think like that because then it's like like then it's like living with regret and I don't want to do that yeah yeah yeah I guess not necessarily living with regret but like just like if you if you looked at everything you've accomplished was there any point where you were like if I had. had made this move sooner, if I had given up that job sooner, I could have done. You know, like, the people who are, because I guess the question really is, is for, like,

kids who are watching who maybe are second guessing where they're at or, like, what they want to do because, like, a lot of them probably watch you and they probably think, like, man, I'd love to do what he's doing in, in so many different ways. So it's like, I know there's just a lot of people out there who watch this sort of content, who probably would love to be able to be a part of it or, like, find their way in it. And, like, they don't take that step because it's, like, the fear or, You know how you took the step of like, I'm going to show my face. And even though you got the shit and it was a terrible moment for you, you said,

I'm going to continue because you obviously had good people around you, clicks helping you like, you know, you should keep doing this. But like a lot of people, I think are afraid to take that step into anything unknown, whether it's streaming or just something else in their life that they really actually feel like it's for them. Yeah. And they're afraid to do it. I mean, just do it. Yeah.

The way I looked at it, like even when I was dropping out. of college. Like, that was like a huge thing. Like, okay, I'm dropping out of college right now. What is going to be, what was going to be my career, like my life. Yeah. To try to take this big risk to see if I can be a full time streamer. Yeah. I think you just have to like really look at it and like, okay, I'm 20 years old. If this doesn't work, I don't lose a year. Like, sure, I'll be 21. But I learned, I got so much experience from what I just tried to do. that like I didn't waste time. Yeah.

So worse comes to worse if you're trying to do something in your life and you try it for a year, if you go at something and religiously do it and put all your effort into it for a year, it's going to work out. Yeah. Like there's no way it doesn't work out after like religiously putting an effort

and doing everything you possibly can to try to get to where you want to be with that thing for an entire year. It's going to work out in one way or another. If it doesn't, then you learned a lot and you try something else. Like you're, it's just, if you're so young, you have so much things, like you could try.

The way I looked at it was, okay, I was 20. If streaming doesn't work, I'll be 21. Then if college doesn't work, I'll be 22. There's two things I try to do in my life and I'm only 22 years old now. Yeah. Why do you think people are so afraid of just trying something and sticking to it?

And like what you said, yeah, failure. I don't want to fail. Yeah. I think that's a part of his song. You have to. You have to fail here. in there to, in order to get to the success you want to get to. Yeah.

It's the same shit with fat loss. It's the same shit with weight gain. It's with everything. Everything. I think it's why, I don't know why. Maybe it's, I think actually it's because of the internet, which is so ironic because we see so much success because you could open your phone and see, you know, someone has to make this much money to see the clip of you or these kids making all this money.

Like clicks with crushing before he was like 17. Yeah. He's like 14. and he'd be his first million, he says. And so you're like, you see it. And I think people, maybe they expect some sort of result. And like, but they forget that like, okay, I have to actually do this. Yeah.

They do it and they don't do it enough. And then it doesn't work. And then they get hard on themselves and they say, fuck it. How do you overcome like the failures? How are you overcoming the failures? Oh. You seem super sharp. Obviously, you're recognizing that it's just a learning moment, which it is.

Yeah. It's, I think it's just a thing where it's like, don't look at it as a family. Because it's like sure you might have failed, but you could always take something from any failure. Like if you fail, if you try to be a streamer and you fail, think about all the connections you made like trying to do what you did. Like if you had fun doing it, if you made, even if you made one friend, like one lifelong friend along the way like that's a success. Yeah. It's just like you can't look at it as. Yeah. So you just got to look at it like as a with a different perspective and it's not a failure. It's just that didn't work out for you. That wasn't your

path. It's just something went wrong and then gone to the next thing. Yeah. Do you question it, man. You're sharp. Thank you. Do you do you do you, do you, when you stream, do you talk about a lot of this stuff or is it just, no, it's more just like, yeah. I mean, sometimes at night I will like late night when I know it's just like my core community. Yeah. And it's not like all the little kids are from TikTok and that just want to see me scream and gout stuff. Yeah. Now, you're good, man. I'm proud of you. For real. Yeah, like, you deserve the success and I hope continued success like so much more, bro, for sure. Thanks. Enjoy Japan. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Keep it going. Like, you have a really good mentality. I'm excited to see what will happen in like

five years for you. If you continue on. Hopefully, so hopefully good things. Maybe I'll be a bodybuilder. Maybe be tatted and be jacked. I do want to, I do want to get a new tattoo. I'm getting one soon. I think I'm going to get the phase logo. I have this tattoo right here. I want to get the phase logo. What is this? Oh, okay. Yeah. Breast cancer. my mom. Yeah. Yeah. She struggled with breast cancer? Yeah. Still? No, she's in remission now. Yeah. Did she have to get them cut off? Is that inappropriate to ask? Uh, no. Good. Uh, no, she didn't. She was just, she had to, how long she had that for? She got it in my, I want to say, four year. Oh, so she got, she, she went through it then for a minute. Yeah.

Yeah. She's, uh, she's strong. It was a hard time, though, in my life just like trying to deal with it and seeing her like in the state that she was in because my mom's literally like my number one for everything. Like I love my mom so much. Yeah. Mom's are the best, bro. Yeah. I'm glad that that worked out the way it was supposed to. Yeah.

Thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my mom's the greatest, bro. Anyways, mom's talk. I appreciate you coming on, man. For course. You, you, I'm glad.

I'm glad because it's always nice talking to streamers who like, you could tell you. got a real soul, real heart, you know, and it's, it's good that there's all these kids watching you. And obviously, you do crazy. Not that crazy, but you troll, you have fun. But you, you have real heart behind it. And I think that's important because it's like, you know, essentially you're the next generation kind of leading the youth, you know? Yeah. So good shit, man. Proud of you. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Enjoy your trip. If you ever need anything, hit me up. Thank you. Thanks for not beating me up too bad after the slap. Just a little bit. You just press me a little bit, it's fine. But yeah, is there anything you want to tell your audience or anything

you want to say or any questions for me? Just subscribe to the podcast. Let's go. Shout out Brad for having me on. Keep going in life. If you're trying to lose weight, trying to be a streamer, take the risk, do it. And yeah, don't be afraid. Yeah, subscribe. I love you guys. Thank you. Appreciate your brother. Yeah.