RAWTALK - HasanAbi Exposes CIA, Elon’s H1B Visas, & Being Kicked Out DNC & Fallout w/ Ethan Klein

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with HasanAbi & talks on Luigi Mangione's murder, getting kicked out of the Democratic National Convention, the homelessness crisis, the cartel acquiring guns thru the CIA & much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: Prize Picks Use code “BRADLEY” & Make your first $5 line up & get $50 whether you WIN OR LOSE! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/ivHR/BRAD

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Oh, man. You got like the busiest guy ever right now. I know. Do you think you're more busy now than you've ever been? No. Well, I mean, look, 20, when I went full-time, Twitch streaming, I streamed 42% of the entire year. Every time I see, you know, when they measure, like, streamers and hours watch?

Yeah. You're always up there. Yeah. But you stream, like out of everyone, I think you're the most consistent streamer. Yeah. Every day, baby, 11 a.m. Pacific time is when I start. And then I go to like 8 p.m. usually. And did you always talk about politics?

Yeah. Yeah. When I first started originally, I did it because I was at the Young Turks back then. And I was like, I want a place where I can just like have my own thing. Because like working under somebody else, like they just do whatever they want, right? Yeah. So that sucked. I wanted my own place

where I can have my own community and say whatever the fuck I wanted but I started playing Fortnite I strapped a PS4 camera onto my PlayStation 4 at the time and I started directly streaming from you could directly broadcast on the PS4 I remember so I started doing that playing Fortnite and I would like have my other

like journalist friends on and we'd be talking about like Israel Palestine while playing Fortnite back then yeah even back then even like all the way back in like 2018 and then I switched over to the the desktop and you know and then i went full time in 2020 and here we are yeah yeah now now i i i we did that interview um on your stream like in like you were getting like concurrent not on i don't know if on that day but you during the election process you were getting like 200 300 000 people yeah watching and i think it's for me i kind of said this to you when you came into the

live stream in my gym but it's really interesting to see the the growth of people like you in this space because it's it really highlights how powerful social media has become yeah like it's it's wild like the numbers the numbers especially in the key demographics like originally the key demos that they care about used to be 18 to 35 they changed it because they were like no 18 and 35 year old watches tv so they so they went up to like 54 i think now it's like they say like 25 to 54 or something is the new primary demo target for like tv ads and even on that front i'm like destroying most of the other TV networks. Do you feel like, obviously you feel cool,

but like you feel an obligation to kind of be a certain way? Like do you, you know, because all your, like, I feel like when I first saw clips with you way back in a day, like your takes were like way more based. What do you mean? Like, no, you just said some shit. I've seen old clips of you saying crazy shit where people will bring up. But not that, not that they're not based now,

But, like, you've just, have you felt like you've had to be more left in, like, all your stuff? No. If anything, I got more left now than I was back then. That's what I mean. Yeah. Or, well, like, you were more based than. No, no, no, no. More left as in, like, I was more quote unquote woke, I think.

Unless you're talking about, like, bro tip stuff, which is like way back in the day. That's what I'm like, where I look like Stephen Crowder, my God, it's so embarrassing. not even not even like the the embarrassing shit that I was trying to satirize but like just the way I looked that's from like 2013 I think yeah and um I wanted to do like a I wanted to do like a satirical bro show but also like you know try to crack jokes but also like cover the news and stuff too but very quickly I was like this shit is not like this sucks yeah and uh and then we delete deleted them and then people resurfaced them and they always love bringing it up to be like see you used to say this shit and I'm like yeah I mean I'm pretty open about it like I I used to I definitely was like way more misogynistic I used to definitely have transphobic takes like and I that's what I was referring to because I saw that but that wasn't but that wasn't like that wasn't like I wanted to oh okay that's what you meant when you said base yeah no I I didn't um I didn't

didn't like become more cognizant of like the media environment like I organically became less transphobic yeah I met trans people I started questioning why I care so much about trans people that was like I think that was one of the major things for me was like what the fuck do I care about this like I don't really understand why this is like something that I should even worry about like whatever let people fucking do whatever they want and I think that's like that was what my that was the spark in my brain but it was It wasn't like, it wasn't a deliberate attempt or anything. It was just like an organic thing.

Yeah, organic evolution. Yeah. But in terms of like saying more left shit that I would, I suspect people don't like, in terms of like, you know, saying we shouldn't be involved in fucking, you know, bombing, bombing the global South and things like that. I think I'm much more. Does that really a left take? Yeah.

It's, it's the OG left take. But I feel like everyone, like, doesn't want war. Yeah, well. Except obviously the people that benefit from it greatly. Yeah, everyone, everyone doesn't want war, or at least, like, people claim that they don't want war. But you know who was war? Politicians want war. So, yeah, I think, like, there's a lot of people on the right and the left who are like, yeah, why the fuck are we giving, like, let's say, Israel $16 billion.

Like, why can't we help homeless people? Or why can't we fix the fucking potholes on the streets? And as a pretty normal position, it's just not very, it's not reflected in either party, really. Democrats historically used to at least offer lip service to that sentiment, but post 9-11, both parties are like, no, we have to do war all the time, stupid. But I mean, it just sucks because like it, the more I get into politics is because like I felt like in the last few years, I just couldn't avoid it. The more I'm just like, does this shit ever really change? It just seems like a cycle of like, especially now with the, not necessarily you specifically, but the social, ecosystem that's created around now politics where it's like anyone will say anything to get

some sort of sensational response where it's like they can say something about whether it's trans people or gay people or black people or some racist thing it's like yeah people do this now and whether there's any ounce of merit to which in most cases there's zero but it's like they do it now because it the algorithm the likes yeah no for sure and in twitter's become a place where i'm like man what the fuck is going on here yeah because i remember last time we talked it was like i love twitter i do love twitter yeah i i definitely last time we talked i definitely love twitter too uh more than i do now for sure or unless you mean like last time we talked on my stream uh no no like the last time i was on your pod back then i used to get quote unquote cancel the fucking time on

Twitter. Yeah. But it was like, it was ultimately meaningless, but it was, I think, more fun. Whatever happened, what I don't know if I, I don't know if you ever spoken about this, so maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, but whatever happened with you and Ethan, like, because you guys had that show, the leftovers, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've talked about it a little bit. I'm sure he'll see this clip and get like really mad, but, um, honestly, I think we just had like some, at the time what I thought were minor disagreements. And I never really like paid attention to what he was saying about content no no about israel okay about israel yeah um in the aftermath of october seven but he'd always uh he'd always been like very pro

palestine but you guys stopped way before that no that's that we stopped oh really yeah what we stopped like around october that's when we were like we're not doing leftovers anymore okay so um yeah october 2023 is like i think one of the last episodes we did yeah and initially I think there was a lot of people that were very mad at Ethan, both in my community and also more importantly, his own community, because he's very progressive. Yeah. And a lot

of people that he cultivated in his audience were like not really fucking with his stakes. Like they didn't really like it. Yeah. And I think because there was also anti-Semitism rising at the time, like he saw that as a major point of concern, understandable.

And he I assume, I can't know what's in his mind but i i assume that he was um like making the assertion that these people that were mad at him all the time weren't mad because they were seeing clips and making up their own minds but mad for some other reason either because they were anti-semitic or because like someone was priming them to be mad at him and since our communities emerged at that time because of leftovers to a certain degree. I think he thought that like my takes were what was causing people to like hate him for what he was saying. And because it's such a touchy subject for a lot of people for

understandable reasons. I mean, people are very black and white. And when they hear Ethan say something that like, you know, Joe Biden has said about Israel, Palestine. And they don't investigate it any further. Yeah, of course. They're going to be like, oh, fuck you. You're pro Israel and you're hiding it you know what I mean that's like the immediate assertion and for a year after that I didn't really investigate what his perspective was we had a conversation like last one we had was on my channel um where we had a back and forth and we had some disagreements but we were on good terms for a year after that pretty much and then recently I forget what it was I think it was after Israel like decided to invade Lebanon where I was talking about Hezbollah

which is the militant group in Lebanon. It's the Shia militant group. It's a part of the parliament as well. It's classified by the American government as a state terrorist organization. Not every country considers them to be a state terrorist organization, and they're a part of the Lebanese parliament, ultimately, right?

Like, they're a political party. And they're effectively the standing military of Lebanon. But it is controversial, ultimately, even within Lebanon. So I was talking to a friend of mine, and I said something like, I don't have any problems with Hezbollah in terms of, like, their resistance to the state of Israel. I think, like, this isn't about their, you know, sectarian politics or this isn't about, like, their internal affairs. Like, I don't give a shit.

Right. Because that's not the reason why Israel is bombing Lebanon. They're bombing Lebanon because Hezbollah is retaliating against Israel for what Israel is doing in Gaza. Right. And he saw that, and I think that was what triggered him into, like, that was a trickle of. point where he was like you're a radical and then it spiraled out of control. I think he has done numerous streams at that point like for months and months on end all the way up until the election where he was like trying to get me the platform. This is what I was saying. That's why we spoke

about being censored more. Yeah. For you because I saw that on on like something with Twitch and people then blaming you for like ad revenue. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was another community that also has been always up my ass. This is a destiny's community. Um, and he, they've always done the, the concern trolling where they're like, like, he'll say some on his shit all the time. Like, he's debated child pornography. You know what I mean? Like, he's debated. How do you debate that? I don't fucking know, but he, he's done it. Anyway, like, these guys don't have any, they don't have any boundaries, right? But then they will so very easily portray themselves like liberals who are concerned. And they do that very well.

So they started this like mass emailing campaign in their discord to like openly actively brigade everywhere and take like a year's worth of clips that they had clipped out of context for one fucking whole year. Like Israel starts bombing Gaza and these motherfuckers are like, all right, what's the sassan saying? Let's start clipping. Yeah. And they had it on a website called like Hamas Abbi. They were calling me like Hamas Abbey. Yeah. And they just had all these clips and they were like going to, they spent spam email.

to, like, advertisers. Like, I went to USC because they wanted me to speak at the college. Yeah. And I was like, sure, I'll do it. Why not? They sent 27,000 emails to the USC to try to get me fucking not to not speak a USC. And it's really interesting because, like, in the email, I saw that email that they were spamming. And the email was like, he got banned off Twitch for saying a slur, a racial slur, which is true.

I did. What was the slur? Cracker. but they didn't put that in the email so they were trying to make it seem like I was this like crazy racist guy right and you know it's like it's a fairly sophisticated mass brigating campaign and it didn't really work but uh they got some advertisers I think like we're scared Bloomberg wrote a report on it yeah um some advertisers were like well we don't want to fucking you know wouldn't want to be associated with anything that's controversial.

And, but at the time they were like claiming that, you know, every advertiser was pulling out of Twitch, Twitch is having an adpocalypse. And Ethan at that same time was also like, you know, kind of egging that on a little bit where he was like,

these guys are really anti-Semitic. They're really radical. They're anti-American scum. But I don't understand this anti-Semitic conversation is like, if you just say anything that's against what they're doing in Israel, just you're anti-Semitic. yeah i mean there's more nuanced to it than that because like it's what it from from my perspective from the outside it's what it looks like when i see no i understand that i mean that's like

the average position at this point and i think that yes uh it is for the longest time israel both positively and negatively has been associated with judaism it's not a proper conflation it's false saudi arabia it does not represent like the entirety of islam and and Israel does not represent the entirety of Judaism. Right. But if every single person that goes on television is saying, like, this is the Jewish nation, like, how dare you, you're being anti-Semitic? Then, yeah, of course, people go, okay, maybe it is.

Maybe everything they're doing they're doing for Judaism and all the Jews love this when it's not the case. Right. I think, I mean, there's like a classic old Jewish saying. It's like two Jews, three arguments where it's like there is no full-blown, comprehensive monolithic understanding of what Israel is and what it's supposed to be among American Jews especially. That's not a real, that's not like a real, um, collective, uh, ideal at all. But it's presented that way. It's presented that way by people who hate Jews who want to say,

you know, fuck Israel. They're doing this for Jews. This is how, this is how Jews are. And it's also of being said by people who are pro-Israel and also themselves Jewish or just pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. Like, Jake Tapper says that. Like, I don't think Jake Tapper is secretly a neo-Nazi or something, but he's saying that because it's been a very apt way to deflect criticism because nobody wants to be offensive, especially in progressive circles. You don't want to be offensive. You don't want to be a mean person. You don't want to offend people. You don't want to be called an anti-semi so you're like whoa okay i didn't realize it was like that it's it's usually just a way to stop the conversation dead in his tracks but so that that's that's interesting though

that's like an interesting point where like why why would certain conversations need to be just killed dead in their tracks well because i mean it's kindness first and foremost it's because people don't want to be people don't want to be a fucking asshole i don't want to be an asshole even though i am right But I think that's where it comes from. You don't want to be like a rude person. Maybe you do. I don't know. But most people, I think, don't want to be impolite.

And if they don't have all the information, then, yeah, they're going to trust you. They're going to take your word for it. If someone that you trust and like tells you Israel is the Jewish nation state, no Jew would ever be safe, it wasn't for Israel, which Joe Biden has said, you know? Yeah. Um, when, when someone that you trust says that, you're going to be like, okay, well, I guess that's the case then. I'm not going to think about it any further. I don't fucking know. It's a country over there. Far away from me. So most people just don't really think about it any further. And then don't necessarily try to understand the full dynamic of the situation. Yeah. As far as, uh, I guess it's, it's interesting to me because the, you sort of had this like falling out with, you know, not necessarily fall. falling out, but you have this falling out issue, whatever, you just basically explained with Ethan. Yeah.

And like the left sort of commentating because you didn't agree with what they were saying. It kind of comes to what's going on right now with the right. It's really interesting to watch. But this whole conversation about the H-1B visas and like, Elon Musk talking on Twitter and Vivek Ramoswami talking on Twitter and all these people chiming in and kind of like somewhat attacking each other. And I know they're enjoying that. Yeah, no, I love it.

I love when right-wing infighting happens because it's like, rare let the left loves eating itself alive yeah i mean i get canceled all canceled all the time it's not fucking real but right um people yell at me all the time they call me misogynistic transphobic racist white supremacists and then on the other on the other side everyone on the right calls me a pussy soy for fucking defending marginalized people you know what i mean so um but the left loves doing that shit to itself the right normally is pretty unified yeah they're like it almost feels like you know as long as we're fucking owning the libs whatever that is you know we're good we're good we're on board so it's come from it's come from what basically

the base uh the republican base for the most part speaking out on behalf and kind of like seemingly or believing they're under they're voting for basically a group of republicans that are going to make america and put america first right uh-huh and then it's it's interesting because then, you know, Elon is basically saying, like, yeah, we need these foreign workers. It's been a thing. And then everyone's attacking him because they're like, wait, what about all the people who, you know, could have or could give the, get the jobs here? Is it a tough argument to sell to people on Twitter, especially when you got like, what, hundreds of thousands of tech layoffs? And you got American workers like training their H-1B visa

foreign counterparts. I'm an advocate for immigration. There's enough money to go around, certainly. and you know there's endless potential everywhere whether it's coming from India China or whether it's coming from an underserved neighborhood in the United States of America whether it be some fucking West Virginia slum or Southside Chicago there's a lot of unlimited potential out there that we have not even tapped into so I don't necessarily care about those sorts of things like in terms of immigrants coming in I'm a fucking immigrant you know what I mean I'm an American citizen I'm an anchor baby but I'm the the I my my father recently became an American citizen so my family would have been immigrants

you know so what I'm Italian so they came and they were immigrants well there you go so but that's everybody everybody in America is unless you're native American you're you can trace your lineage back to a point where you weren't on this fucking continent right so and there's always historically been resistance against newcomers anyway when Italians came in they were treated like shit when the irish came in they were treated like shit it's always resistance towards whoever's coming in that the people that are there already are like nah fuck these guys yeah and then you know after some time passes there's some growing pains and then people are like all right never mind these guys are cool it's fine yeah um and you don't even think about it now like

it's it's not even a it's not even a thing if you were to be like yeah the irish are not white people look at you like what the fuck are you saying yeah um so that's not a normal. And it's historically happened in America over and over again. And right now it's happening towards people coming in from Latin America and also certainly now for the Twitter people. India. India. Yeah. But on the other hand, the reason why Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami want H-1B visa workers is because they can exploit them better. Lower wages, right? Yeah. I was the, I saw, I was looking all over Twitter. You see all the sort of of the people in Tesla, the people who they have like lists and lists of people who are these

H-1B visa workers that are, I guess, I mean, I see the salaries. They're large, but apparently they'd be more large. Oh, yeah. No, it'd be, at the minimum is like 20% cheaper. And I understand obviously because I, because there's a currency exchange, right? If you're, if you're sending money back to your family and you come from a country where there's like a currency exchange rate that favors, you know, the American dollar, that's automatically, you're like, yeah, I'll take a 20% pay. I don't give a fuck. And on top of that, you get to work towards earning a citizenship in the United States of America. Maybe you bring your family here. So, yeah, you're going to, you're going to be very excited at the prospect. But more importantly, it's an additional pressure

because if you lose your job, then you're fucking, yeah, you're done, you're out. You're deported. Meanwhile, there is already pre-existing pressures for American citizens to retain those jobs as well. Right. What do we got? In order to be able to get to those jobs, you have to go to college. College is $100,000 to $200,000 now. You've got to take on student loan debts. Yeah.

When you take those student loan debts, you have to pay off those debts. So then you take a job that you normally wouldn't take. And you just take it and you gladly try to keep it to the best of your ability. you're vulnerable already. Another pressure for American citizens is health care. We don't have free health care in this country, unlike every other fucking comparable OECD nation, right? It's not like the Canadians are super woke

or socialist or anything or better than us, right? They're not. I've heard issues with free health, obviously I understand like your point to have it, but there's also other issues that come along with it being free too where it's like, I know people in Canada who can't even get anything done for seven months. So those issues are,

almost always as a direct consequence of underfunding. Politicians in countries like that, right-wing politicians, because they have right-wing, left-wing dynamics as well, like in the UK, for example, will systematically underfund health care deliberately. They do that so it's shit. They do that so it's understaffed and the hospitals look like dog shit and there's not enough doctors and nurses and the wages are low for the doctors and nurses. So when they fight back and demand higher wages, they're like, oh, we don't have money. Sorry. And then they turn around and go, we got to privatize this. They do that because they want to privatize it. They underfund it. And then they privatize it. They perfectize certain aspects of it. And

inevitably, the entire thing becomes private. That's the ultimate goal for them. And at that point, you turn into the United States of America. So from your perspective, like how do you actually fix this? Because it just seems like you obviously have people on one end who are like, you know, working hard for to grow a business and they feel like, well,

I don't want to pay for other people's shit, right? That's like the whole beef with it. But you're always, you're always paying for other people's shit. That's like, I'm aware of that. I pay a fuck done in taxes. Yeah.

And that's the thing, though. Like, I know I'm unique in this and people get mad at me for even saying this, but, like, I don't have a problem paying taxes. It sucks that, like, it goes to, I don't know, murdering children in Gaza, a big chunk of it, and not to fixing the fucking potholes. But at the end of the day, even if a percentage of it is going to the teachers, if a percentage is going to the schools, then I'm like, yeah, you got to do that. And I think that that is, unfortunately, that's not a very commonly held perspective because so much. much of our taxes go to like irrelevant shit that, uh, only benefits the corporations and,

and, and, you know, the super wealthy. So that's, that's the, the, the really big overarching thing is like, how do we ever fix something that is just so money driven? I mean, it's just, you know, even this conversation about the visa. It's about being able to get the wage here, to have the leverage of the people that are, you know, needing to be here at that certain wage, have to do it. Because if they don't, they got to go back home. They also make way more money here than they would there. so then it makes sense for the corporation to be like yeah of course we want that guy because we can pay him less and he like has to do the same job and he's doing more he's he's doing more than the american citizen because and Elon did this with Twitter he went to Twitter and he fired like what 50% of the staff right

immediately day one he fired all those people the only employees he retained he kept were h1b visa workers why did he do that because those guys if they get fired they're going to get deported so Now, you can force those guys to fucking stay there all day, every day, sleep at the office. They're basically indentured servants. That's what Elon Musk wants. That's what wealthy people want. They want to be able to get the most amount of time and productivity out of each individual employee.

And the more vulnerable you are, like, you know, the fear of deportation, the easier it is for your boss to turn around and be like, all right, I'm calling you up at 10 p.m. on a Friday afternoon. Oh, you got a fucking family emergency? You ever get your ass in the office right now? I got a problem. If you say that to an American citizen, and American citizens would be like, no. Yeah.

You don't think there's any merit to, at least what Vivek was trying to say as far as like the culture of like America and like they're not being this work ethic. And he was kind of talking about the whole like, which I found really funny. The nerds and the jocks. The nerds in the jocks. Yeah, he was like, oh, I didn't get enough pussy in high school.

So that's the reason why Americans are getting too much pussy. They're focusing on they're venerating jocks instead of venerating nerds. It's like, no, that's just he's a fucking nerd. And that's why he's saying that. The thing that was, I wish Elon would have led with was he, you know, after the whole shitstorm, he started to respond to people and was like, oh, there should be this like, we should fix this system as well. And then we should have like a sort of like a minimum or like a so that it's the same

if they hire these people or as far as like the immigrants or if they hire American workers. wage parity. That's kind of what he was going towards. He started talking about that like kind of after the shit storm had sort of. He would never in a million years look for that because then he's, that's, that's profit margins. That's hurting his profits. That's hurting his bottom line. He relies

on H1B visa workers. A lot, I don't trust super wealthy people, billionaires, millionaires. What if they do change that? Will you say sorry to Elon? You sure? I'd be, I'd be shocked. Because I'm of the mindset that these guys will say anything in

everything, as long as you're not focusing on the actual pressure points, as long as you're not focusing on who's fucking you over, who's robbing you blind, they're good. They're like, yeah, we should do price parity. They're never going to do that, but they'll say it. Yeah. You know, that's what I'm saying. Like, it just... And this is the Democrats, too, by the way. Don't get me wrong. Right. I don't think the government doesn't want to fix this shit either. Government and politicians in general, I just wonder, like, does it ever actually become what, you know, you think it could be to be better, right? Because it just seems like we, we live in this world where it's a constant more, get more, take more, grow, profit margins, shareholders, like, and that controls

this whole entire fucking nation and the world. It seems like you're describing capitalism right now. Yeah, but I mean, it's, in a sense, yeah, but it's like that's, no, not even a sense directly, but that's, that is what it is. But that's, that's the world. It's not like that's just going to disappear. No, I mean, look, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, firm believer that that is not like inherent in human nature. Yeah, you can be greedy. You can be selfish. You can be personally interested. But that doesn't automatically mean that we are also not social animals that constantly collaborate, that constantly work with one another and do it in like very invisible ways. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to always be a pure profit

driven. And that's not like some. What do you mean by that? Well, what I mean? by that is, like, I'm not, there are additional motivators beyond making money that you engage in. You don't work out every single day because you want to make more money. The more muscle mass you put on, the more money you make, that's not a direct, you know, that's not a direct reason, right? You do it for yourself. You do it for self improvement. This is something you care about. Same with me, right? Sure, the way we look definitely play into the way they audience receives us and you know maybe maybe it allows more people to listen to what you have to say or whatever but ultimately there's a secondary reason for that perhaps even a more important

reason for that and we do stuff like that all the time there are additional motivators beyond profit that cause people to innovate right that cause people to do stuff that cause people to collaborate with one another problem solving it's not always at the behest of the almighty dollar we're not always like i'll give you examples of of massive scientific like in the field of medical research there are so many innovative products that have come out these guys didn't do it because they wanted to make money they did it because they wanted to save lives like the guy who invented insulin in canada he sold a patent for a dollar now you got pay fucking a thousand dollars to purchase it because a company bought the patent and then and then denied people the access to this

life-saving medication that this guy fucking found and was like, I want people to be able to have this. Like, this is crazy. People should be able to have this. It's like going to save people's lives. This is awesome. He didn't do that. He did that collaboratively with a whole bunch of other people. Not a single person involved in that was like, think about all the money we're going to be making. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's always the dudes and suits that make the money afterwards. And they make a seem as though everyone only cares about money. Now, this doesn't mean that people don't care about money at all. Of course, everybody cares about. about money you know i'm not one of those people that's like oh money isn't everything when you

don't have it it is everything right i've been there i know uh you know it's a it's very important it's freedom um having said that i think there is a very different mentality that a lot of people have especially at the top of society you know people who are corporate executive CEOs where they care almost exclusively about like endless expansion profits over everything whereas I don't think the average person operates like that. I think the average person is trained to think like that is something that they're invested in but deep down aside

like most people just want to be comfortable they want to be able to have you know stupid. They want to be happy. They want to be happy. They want to be comfortable. They want to have a roof over their heads. They want a fucking nice meal. Get some pussy. You know what I mean? And and you know, have children whatever, whatever the fuck they want to do. Play Marvel

Rivals. You know, have some free time. Have some fucking free time for yourself, right? But it doesn't, it just seems like it's so vast and it's so structured and it's so built already. There's no escaping it. Yeah. Mark Fisher once said, it's easier to imagine the end of the world than imagining the end of capitalism. And it's true. I mean, we have how many dystopian movies are out there the world ending? How many fucking movies are out there where there's, you know, we've moved beyond capitalism. Star Trek is like the only example I can think of. So it's true. It's like deeply ingrained. in our understanding.

We think it's like human nature that like everyone is endlessly selfish and endlessly greedy. Conservatives are always talk about the family. There's no profit motive in the family. You know, the family unit has nothing to do with profits at all.

It's about taking care of your own. It's about taking care of your friends. And I think that we can expand on that, taking care of your communities. And, you know, plenty of people have that attitude as well as the self-interest. And I think there needs to be a better balance of that. And right now, the balance is tilted on the selfish profit side of things.

But that's my question is how do you even make a balance like that? Like, do you think it just takes more people speaking like this? I think that plays a role in it for sure. Because it's like just speaking about something like, that's something like I'll see where, you know, I even saw some tweet you made about the elites and you got a response from a bunch of like, conservatives. Yeah, they loved it. Which is surprising because I was talking about like how they've discharacterial.

destroyed public education. Yeah. Yeah. And so the response, so Mike made a comment. Basically, it's like everyone just going to go back to talking about whatever, blah, blah, blah. And like that's how it feels. That's how all this stuff feels where it's like there's these like super pain points and these issues and then people just go back to like, all right, well, where else can I make money?

We're easily distracted, especially with social media too, like where I think back in the day, like shit would just be important for like a month. and now it's like 12 hours and then you're done right yeah um like but it's another cog i mean social media is another cog in that yeah getting money no for sure um i think money attention uh clout admiration there are definitely other motivators beyond money as well but yeah i mean people people do not people can't stand on one issue and really hyper focus on it. But having said that, like, would you do what you do if you made no money? If you were able to- I mean, I did do what I was doing when I made no

money. Me too, me too. Not on social because I was just, I mean, as far as being a gym bro and like training and talking about what I was doing, that's something I did. But even, even politics. Like, this is something that I was truly fascinated by and something that I wanted to, like my opinions, I wanted to share with other people. So yeah, and this is something that I was definitely interested in. And I mean, for the longest time, it's not like I was, I had this like massive audience or a shit ton of money. Like, I didn't. Yeah. But I still did it. And I had virtually the same fucking opinions I do now. That's why you can go back. I always say like, you can go back to like any video from like 2016, 2017. And I'm literally talking about the same issues. And I mean,

and I'm saying the same things. And you were always kind of a gym bro. Because you are, I remember I, I think when I first had met you, I looked back on my DMs because I was, you know, I was, you know, was a gym bro making gym content and you would message me about like workout shit yeah it was so funny because I went back I looked at our girls I even remember you were like I responded it must have been years later and you were like you were like you're like fuck I messaged you in 2016 you're like so embarrassing yeah yeah I mean I've always on what you've done for oh thank you well I I lost a lot of weight and then I gained it back in COVID it was fucking it was messed up I was so depressed dude like last time we did this podcast I was I was still pretty fat

Yeah. Yeah. Like last time you, when we had a lean beef patty at my house, like, I was so fat even then. But I was at least like in a better, I was like more regimented at that point. And like finally I'm, you know, I'm back to a very comfortable place now. Yeah. And I, dude, that, that stuff I can't speak enough on, honestly. It's just like it really, it really changes the way you see the world working out. and being physically healthy. Yeah. And I think most importantly, setting goals for yourself and being able to accomplish them and seeing the fruits of your labor genuinely changes something

in your brain chemistry where I just feel like because I've done it once, I'm like, I will be able to do it again. I'll be able to tackle whatever issue I want to as long as I fucking put some time and investment into it

and commit to it and develop consistency. Before you find, figured that out, how did you get to that point when you didn't get that reaction? Because a lot of most people are like for right now, right, it's new year. Everyone talks about new year, new me, all the shit that everyone says. And everyone's kind of like, not everyone, because some people get out, like you got out as far as like your goal and you actually achieve it. But to the people who are kind of stuck in that circle, what's your perspective or what would you tell that person? And essentially

what did you tell yourself to keep going when it wasn't what you wanted it to be? Yeah. I mean, I was fat my whole life. So that was the one thing. You're also tall as fuck though to be. Yeah, no, that was definitely a benefit for sure. I could hide it. But like I still, I was fat, you know. I was still very insecure about it.

And for me, I think I was like, when I first moved out here, I was surrounded by other, like, personal trainers. We were living in a fucking, we, I was living basically for almost no cost of the frat house. Because I didn't have anywhere to live. And I didn't make enough money to, like, people to rent, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, apartment i've been there yeah so i was living in the kitchen of a frat house and like everyone was a everyone was a was a pt yeah so then and i had more free time so i was like you know we just worked out it was a social thing um i'm surprised you didn't go more republican with your views i feel like most gym bros like end up going there i yeah i know it's interesting because like i don't know

i think i think being healthy is a thing on its own it's not like a political of course not i'm I'm just saying, you're absolutely right. But I do see that, except for, you know, Jeff never, my boy, shouts out. Yeah, yeah, good guy. Yeah, I want to have my homie. He just released a book. I want to talk to him about it. That's my homie.

But what I'm saying is like, I mean, even in a sense, like, I guess I would consider myself more right, but like, it's not really. Like, I, I'm open. I like to listen and I like to understand all sides of everything. I've always been that way. Yeah. I've never been like, like, sort of dogged with like, if someone says, this and you know they said something else that i thought then it was true then i just go okay

that everything else they say is true i've always been like i don't know let me ask more questions which is why like in general i like even love having conversation with you because i know we have such a different perspective on a lot of things yeah but i guess why do you think people tend to like i don't know just pick and stick in an echo chamber and do you think comfort do you sometimes find yourself in that in your own i mean oh for sure uh uh It gets comfort. It's a sense of community. It's a shared understanding of the world

that is very comforting for a lot of people. People look for it in many different ways. And there's a concept of third spaces, places that you can go to where you can be around other members of the public, right? Public parks, movie theaters, things of that nature, gyms, exactly. I feel like now, because we live so much online, we spend so much time out of the day,

you know being online like we don't really have that sense of community over mutual interest as much so then we just like seek out these communities online and I do think that there is definitely something very unhealthy about it yeah where it does it does like harden your viewpoints and you constantly hear people that you agree with and that can lead you astray and it shuts off your curiosity it shuts off your charitability especially now with the sort of like type of content that seems to be most consumed which is clips yeah because you now it's like people don't even get the full context of conversations now ever and they just go he said this that's it yeah dude i mean i'll give you an example i went to skid row yesterday i um homelessness increased by 18% this past year we have

worldwide or nationwide nationwide nationwide yeah so that means in the united states of america now while we're having this conversation there's more than 700,000 people that are sleeping outside okay a lot of these guys are like addicted to the fentanyl a lot there's a lot of drug problems there's a lot of mental health problems there's like crime there's a lot of theft assault sexual assaults and like it's horrifying and it's a it's a policy problem it's a systemic failure right um but the media also i think plays a role in dehumanizing homeless people and especially when you see like the only interaction that you have with a homeless person is usually just like a person basically at the final stage of homelessness that looks like a zombie that's like

shitting outside of your house or jerking off uh outside of your house you're like oh my god this is terrifying like this is just like you know this is bedlam this is gotham city where the fuck is Batman, right? And the media also plays into that a little bit, I think, by like actively also dehumanizing homeless people. What was the soft white underbelly? I think does a pretty decent job of like showcasing the background and perspective of homeless people.

There's a big YouTube channel. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever seen those like black and white interviews. And, you know, there's some people out there that do a decent job. But basically I saw that and I saw so much violence that was happening against homeless people as well and like the lack of interest from people like in seeing their humanity and seeing their background and seeing like that they're literally people exactly like your aunts, your uncles, people that, you know, once had a normal existence,

a normal life. Yeah, lots of veterans, exactly. And so I wanted to work with a local charity that already, like a local organization that already works on Skid Row and go there, buy a bunch of materials that they need and also bring some clothes. well uh like old clothes of mine because people send me merch all the fucking time you didn't film this no i i did the reason why i did it and i didn't film like any of the i didn't film like the homeless people at all i didn't have like fucking camera on their faces the people that we talked to wanted to ahead of time through this organization said they wanted to share their perspectives so the way we the the way i set this up is that you know we were doing a good deed

it's fine i went and bought like a bunch of tarps and and apparently that's like one of the most commonly requested items so they can build their tents and which is like such a patchwork solution like it's not even a solution at all you know what i mean like that's crazy that these are people that are so desperate that like it's just like yeah they want to build like that's housing material you know what i can't stand on this conversation is that when the olympics are coming or when china's come into fucking yeah it's they fix it yeah but see that's the problem they're building a bunch of like condos down there but yeah the Olympic area yeah they don't fix it though they just like literally shove them like they come in and they do this thing

called sweeps which is ironically one of the things that i talked to them about um and they just take their shit like the cops come and they just fucking wipe out the street right and from your perspective you're like oh finally their streets are clean like what the fuck there's trash everywhere otherwise like this is a good thing but from their perspective it's like they just had like basically they have nothing to begin with and the things that they have value for them, like things that they care about, like, you know, a note from their mom or something, you know, things like remnants. Yeah, exactly. Or remnants of their humanity, right? Yeah. Are just taken away from them. And it fucks their lives up. And then they had like slammed

into like some shelter or something. They just like pack him there. And then, you know, week goes by and they're like, all right, you can go back. You know, and then they have to start over again. And obviously the solution isn't to like let people fucking live out on the streets and just like do drugs out in the open or or slowly decline mentally until uh they're just completely gone um the solution is and this has been very successful in places like helsinki in finland the solution is putting them into permanent shelter and then uh kickstart the recovery process because there's a shit ton of people that do fucking drugs but they do drugs in their own homes and it's not a it's not the same problem right uh it's very different when you're

out you know braving the elements and in that process you're like I this is fucked up like I need something to cope with this and you know the person in the tent next to you is like here you want some crack and he's like sure I'll take some crack and then you become a crack addict yeah so that's usually how it happens but the conversation that I'm having with you about this is exactly what I wanted to showcase uh and that is what a lot of these guys wanted to talk about directly what what were they saying? I met this guy named Hawk 70 years old. He's a musician. He has a dog. He's a pit bull. And he just lives in a tent. And he was, he's been, uh, in and out. And he's been on the streets for, you know, longer than 10 years at this point. Holy shit. Yeah. Um, I met a guy named Glenn,

uh, similar situation, I think 14 years, uh, of just like being homeless. He was just evicted. He was evicted by his management company and they didn't even give him any time to just like leave. He had a hard time paying his rent, but then he did a go fund me and was able to get the money to pay the rent, but they still evicted him. He mentioned that he was also doing drugs and I think that's part of the reason, probably why. But ultimately, the way I see it is like these people need help. like they need counselors you know what i mean they need they need uh people to go to where they're at and and help treat the illness that they have the illnesses that they have whether it be mental health complications whether it be you know addiction do you think that you could help everyone

not you specifically but you think it's it's irrational to say you could you could help everyone because there are people that like no matter how much you help them they're going to end up somehow in the same sort of situation. No, you're absolutely right about that. And the way I think about it is this, even if you can't help every single person, even if there are people who are just like unsalvageable, because we've all experienced that to a certain degree in our lives.

You know, you just meet someone where you're like, dude, how the fuck do you keep fucking up? Like, how do you keep fucking up every single time? Like, this doesn't make sense. And they just don't learn their lesson at all, right? No matter how hard you try to help them. but I think just completely having a nihilistic perspective on the other side leave so many people like the broad majority of people in the lost in the margins

when those are the people you can actually help and the entire system is broken from top down and there are so many different pressure points that you can apply some pressure to For example, the overwhelming majority, if not the entirety of the homeless population is created because of the housing market. They get priced out of the housing market. And like the very common journey usually is that although there are people who, you know, do crimes or whatever or like are victims of abuse when they're children and then they do a bunch of, you know, they do a bunch of shady shit, then they're in and out of the prison system. and then their job opportunities are completely shut off. Now you can't pay for housing. There are plenty of people who have jobs,

but because the housing market becomes insane, they just can't pay for housing. So they still retain their jobs, but they live out of their cars. But that becomes unsustainable. I call this the first, like the three tiers of homelessness. The first tier is the overwhelming majority of people who are housing insecure

that are either couch surfing or living out of their cars, and basically still trying to retain their jobs. But there's no running water usually. So it becomes really hard. It becomes difficult to basically keep your job at the same time while you're, you know, in this limbo. It's funny having this conversation because there was a point where I lived in a car, my truck, and I would like park under fucking, like, freeway overpasses. I live in people's like couches and.

Yeah. And it's, it's, it's tough having the conversation too because like I was, in a position where I timing was so I mean I can't even say it any other way like luck God given I don't know what it was where like no it is luck I say that all the time too like I told you I've lived in the fucking frat house kitchen

you know what I mean it like things could have been very different yeah and I I was definitely a lot more fortunate because like at least I had my uncle you know what I mean even though he wasn't paying me all that much but it didn't matter because like I knew that if they're

if push uh push Push came to shove, like, I had someone to lean on. A lot of people don't have that. Right. But that in and of itself is luck too. And you're absolutely right. Luck plays a major role in this. Hard work plays a major role in this.

But at the end of the day, like the notion that people aren't working hard is silly. You got, you know, you got teachers in Oklahoma that have to fucking drive Uber at night after they're done with their, you know, after they're done teaching so that they can make a living wage. Those people are working really fucking hard. You just don't see them. You don't think about them. you don't talk about them. And so we just write off all these people that are working their fucking asses off.

Like they're not working hard enough. No, they are working hard. They're working a lot harder than the motherfuckers like Elon Musk who tweet 700 times a day. It's just that he's at the top of society. So he gets to do that. And he can hire people to do the jobs and delegate his responsibilities

to some of the top minds on the planet. There is some merit to that, though, to actually get there. It's not like, you know, even if even if you add everything handed to you to still keep making the right choices to be able to continue of course merit to that of course not everyone is always lucky all the time 100% of the time you can fail upwards there's luck still but there's luck and what i'm trying to say is i got very fortunate too like how the fuck was i supposed to know that someone who talks about politics eight hours a day was going to go to a fucking video game website and be one of the top content creators on the video game website like for the past four or five years now like that's not that's luck like i i never thought that uh i would i would get to the level of of success that i reached like that wasn't even my goal i just wanted people to to hear me out you know what i mean yeah and i don't discount that at all people get mad at me when i say that though they're

like oh you think hard work is not important it's like no it is important i mean i stream literally still to this day eight to 10 hours every single fucking day i don't have to do that you know fucking nuts. That's what I said when you were coming to this interview. You were like, you streamed all day and then you know you're coming to this interview and then you're going to another interview after and it's like going to be nine, 10 o'clock at night or some shit. So respect to that. Like there's no way I can discount that. I guess what I'm trying to get at is like it's obviously not going to be the same for every person. Like you can't save every person. But you seem to think there's a way, I guess, policy wise to actually change that.

Yeah. I think it's better to try to make endless attempts at saving every single person and if we try to focus on that then we will be able to save the broadest majority of people that just want that need like a helping hand that just need to sometimes be hurt you know something as simple as like what's going on what's your issue let me help you out so many people are are fucking lonely but that's not even that's not even a policy thing or a financial thing that's just like a circle of friends or like a group that you you know to to have someone to ask, because the thing is like, let's stop it before it gets there, right?

Yeah. But like, that's like a whole different thing that you can't actually. Well, the policy is important in that regard because stopping it before it gets there, you've got to fucking normalize the housing market prices. Like, there's no way out of it. You know what I mean? It is fucking nuts. Yeah, you have to normalize the housing market prices.

Like, and it's not about like, fucking deporting 20 million migrants or whatever. Like, that's not going to fix the housing market. It's going to make it worse, actually. Who the fuck do you think builds the houses? You know? It's like 25% of the construction industry is undocumented immigrants. good luck you know imagine wiping out a quarter of the fucking workforce you're not building houses no more after that yeah um so because the company is way too expensive to pay these guys

yeah so there's that issue but even beyond that like we just we here in california especially like you know gavin newsom acts like he's the woke king the woke czar but bro our housing situation is dire it's really bad yeah we build units But they're always like luxury condominiums. Why the fuck don't we have more affordable housing? It's because if you make more affordable housing, there's more inventory. If there's more inventory, then obviously the price of houses are going to go down. And then all of a sudden, you own a house, I own a house.

The price of your house went down. Let's say you took a mortgage out. Now you're fucking stuck paying this expensive-ass mortgage for a house that is no longer valued as high. and for a lot of people that's their nest egg so it's this like intricate web that is interconnected in very meaningful ways for a lot of people 44% of people in California own their own homes or at least like own a home right

that's 44% of people who would immediately be like what the fuck you just eliminated a piece of my net worth right how dare you do that and so it's a matter of like who is going to keep getting pummeled in the system And of course, the voiceless, poor working class people are the ones who get fucked over in the system because they don't have the same defense mechanisms that a rich person has. Rich people can get together and be like, you're not doing that.

They can buy politicians. They can host politicians in expensive dinners and shower them with gifts and become friends with politicians. They go to the same schools with the people that are in positions of power. Their children work under them. They send, you know, Gavin Newsom's, uh, Well, he doesn't have family. He used to date Kimberly Gilfoy. I don't think he has family, but I don't know.

But like Ted Cruz's fucking wife worked at Goldman Sachs. You know what I mean? You think she's like, you think she does that because she has a fantastic understanding of the economy. Is that what it is? Like all these people's daughters, they fucking, and sons, they fucking go and work at all these, all these corporations. How does that work? Kamala Harris's brother-in-law is the chief legal counsel for. for Uber, Tony West.

He has direct access to the woman who was supposed to run the country if she won the election. Yeah. Like, that's insane to me. You know what I mean? But like that, that's the thing that I, I'm not really, I'm not trying to argue for

because it's, it's all kind of a wash, but like you can't, it seems like that will never be avoided. Because there's, at no point are you going to say like, yo, because like, what's the solution? Everyone is just the same? No. That's not the solution. Because it's like someone's going to work if it's also weird to think like, you know, am I just going to work super hard to try to achieve these things and and then give it all up?

But then at the same time, like, I understand the need for in the humanity in it to try to like help more people. There needs to be a underlying like base level of material equality. What Americans believe we have right now, which we don't have, is the equality of opportunity. An equality of opportunity means that like it does not fucking matter what. your background is, but you're getting the best education and you're not constantly desperate for your next meal. That's the quality of opportunity. We can do that, but if we do that, then profits are going to shrink for major corporations and we can't have that. That's just something that we can't have. And the system is designed in a way, especially the media that plays a pretty

important role in this. It's designed in a way to basically tell you to fear that reality, that reality is socialism it's scary don't even touch that that's you know if you get that then you know that'll be like the USSR or communist china or whatever the fuck people say i don't know Venezuela people will eat rats and it's like no man like let's just get to europe style uh you know benefits first like is that is that okay those motherfuckers go to on vacation for three months think about that you know it's funny you say that because every time i swear i have people come from all over but like there they'll always be someone from like Europe or Australia it seems as well where there always be like at the gym because I talk to these people in person and they're like

yeah I'm on I'm on a holiday yeah holiday they say for like a month or two and I'm like what the fuck I don't remember last time I took a holiday but I took a holiday is because I was going to go film something somewhere else yeah exactly I mean I'm the same way like we're but we're in a unique industry like we're we're right you know we're our own bosses so if you wanted to one day fuck off and you know do whatever the fuck you want you could do that right but the guys that are doing that are like working at the mines you know what i mean that's not a thing in america there is no like three-month vacation for for an accountant yeah okay that's not a thing there's no and this is like legally enforced by the government you know what do you mean it's it's uh there's

paid family leave there's paid emergency leave and there's paid vacation that is mandated by the government. You're talking about in the UK? In virtually every European country, there are different versions of this in their legal structure where the company is forced by law to pay a percentage and the government pays the rest of it

for, you know, the holiday leave that they'd get. Instead, we're just paying money to fucking... Where we don't have that. That's what... Like, that is not even a thing that you can bring up. You have like, I guess in some states you have like the state kick in with a

you know a little bit of tax benefits that they give you like give a company to offer paid leave or whatever and then they legally mandated but it's um it's not necessarily commonplace yeah what's that right there oh yeah hold on so i wanted to show you i wanted to show you what i got this is like oh my god yo you asked me this is fucking this is crazy you asked me earlier like oh do you do you do you pack zins i was like do i pack ziz yeah we didn't but i didn't know you had this This is fucking sick. Don't over the top, though. The top is for the discards.

Yeah, yeah. This is like a tin and you got Trump on here. Yeah, I got the Trump surrender. The never, the fight, fight, fight, fight Trump. This is fucking sick. Damn, I want this. Yeah. So how long you've been doing this for?

It's been a while. Yeah. You like nicotine? I love nicotine. Dude, I fucking. So I used to smoke. Cigarettes. Yeah, I used to smoke cowboy killers, Marlboro Reds.

And I quit because of, nicotine gum and it was years ago like I quit years and years ago but I never quit the nicotine gum and then someone put me on this shit and I was like damn this is so much better than nicotine what do you like what does it what does it do for you that you appreciate it improves your cognitive functioning has a chance to offset Alzheimer's according to some studies yeah appetite suppressant and it feels good yeah but I think at this point it's like it doesn't just feel good where you're like you rely on it you know secretly a Trump guy I love that with not

no I love shit like this I'm a politics guy of course I have someone I'm more Trump merchant than the average person I love yeah you came in you came in with the shirt to train oh yeah yeah I was wearing the let's go Brandon shirt yeah I don't give a fuck like I you know I'm I'm I love

I love hog culture as I call it like right when culture is the fucking it's it's hilarious to me why do you call it hog culture because they're fucking some of them are hogs man I don't know how I was to describe it. It's like the bro. It's just like some bullshit. On the one hand, you got the libs.

On the other hand, you got the hogs. I make fun of both. That's funny. I think that's, honestly think like, that's why you have so much success. You definitely lean left for sure. Oh, I'm heavy. But like, you get it.

I think you kind of get both sides, which is it allows you to have really good conversations about the stuff. Yeah. I can, well, there's a difference, though. Like, I can have a conversation with you. I can have a conversation with a Trump's border. But if it's like, fucking some nerd ass bitch like ben shapiro or charlie kirk then it's like different because those

guys are like this is their job you know what i mean their job is to like constantly actively be that guy yeah and i don't think i'm like that i don't know people think i'm like that where they think you're like that for the left yeah but am i like that i mean i don't think you are yeah i've had enough conversations with you but privately and and on on fucking camera that yeah i'm i'm a normal dude like If you see me off clips only, you're going to probably develop a very different attitude of me, but, and I get that. But that's just the way this, that's just the way politics is in general. So that's the thing with politics. Like, it's, it's never going to be one. Like, it's, and that ultimately leads to all the other issues we're talking about, which is like fixing

the things. Because a lot of the things require a little bit of both. Yeah. To like really be. Well, the way I see it is like, look, it's a distribution of. of power who gets to have the power who gets to have the money who gets to allocate the resources and the only way to do that is through violence like that's just how it works is violence when you know the state mandates something and you don't want to do it and then they come in and knock your door and they tell you uh with with cops that you got to do that right that's technically violence we don't interpret it in the same way as like you punching a guy but it's force but it's still force exactly it's violence um and you know this

this back and forth, I think, especially in American politics, like a lot of the back and forth that we have is over the minutia because it's designed that way so that you're constantly fighting with other people that have the same exact fucking interests as you, but you're like, you're like hyper focusing on the dumbest shit. Like the dumbest shit that under other circumstances, if you were to take a deep breath and didn't have this sense of community being in these like echo chambers as well, you'd be like, what the fuck do I care about this? Like, why do I care this i just want i just want to be able to pay rent i just want to be able to you know buy delicious food and be able to eat it and which is this is why i think this is why the republicans won

this this whole election was because like they leaned for that they did but they also definitely do the other stuff too where they're like uh the democrats only care about trans people they only want to like do trans bottom surgeries for you know latino inmates or whatever the fuck and it's like that's not like a there's not a real policy of the democratic party at all it's like something that, uh, it's, it's considered medical surgery. The Republicans also did it under the Trump administration as well. It's like, it's something that you would never even consider until it's brought in front of you. And then you're like, what the fuck? That doesn't make any sense at all. This makes me mad. And if you investigated it a little bit further, you probably would

develop a different understanding over it. But, um, but in that moment, it just seems like it's the most significant thing. It's the most important thing that everybody needs to focus on when in fact, it's just like so minor. So how does that change? That doesn't change, especially now if like we're everyone just watching clips. Like how does that ever actually change? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just keep making new clips.

Yeah. Well, the way I see it is like, I've always had this policy where like people say a whole number of different things about me where I'm like, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. I don't give a fuck. If you, if you watch more than like 30 minutes of my content, not from the lens of someone who just like fucking. hates me and wants you to hate me too, you'll pretty quickly understand where I'm coming from

and what I believe and that you will be able to make this assumption for yourself that whether or not everything that people were saying was true or not, you know? But I'm not going to, I'm not going to change my mentality because other people think I'm a certain way. I don't, I don't know. I just have a, you know, firmly held beliefs and I stand by it and I do things regardless of what people are saying going back to the Skid Row conversation the reason why I brought it up originally and this goes back to the clips as well

someone in my chat before I even did it immediately was like well don't you think you're exploiting homeless people and there are people who do that there are people who like go there and even when we first went there there there was a little bit worried at first

the worst though are the people who go up and they're like look at me give this guy stuff yeah exactly exactly exactly exactly and and they were they came in hot like locked and loaded to be like you know the one friend who's too woke they were like you're gonna fucking go give them stuff and you're going to exploit them you're going to exploit homeless people and it's like no dumbass like there is a very obvious reason why I'm doing this and I'm doing this in the most ethical way possible where like I already do a shit ton of charity I do it on camera I do it off camera

I do fundraisers I give money I donate myself I work I work with mutual aid organizations myself. The reason why I'm doing this on camera today is because I'm working with a local charity that is excited at this opportunity so we can fundraise with them. We raised like 20 grand in the process to urge other people to be able to also,

to urge other people to go and do it themselves in their own neighborhoods because it is a truly rewarding experience. Like it's, I've raised, at this point I've raised, I think last year I raised like 3 million and this year I raised another 3 mil maybe a little bit more than that.

And different sort of... And for various different charities, like, you know, earthquake relief, Palestine. And I've also given probably almost a million of my own at this point. Yeah. If not more, I'm not entirely sure.

But it doesn't matter. It is that, all of that is nowhere near as fulfilling as like going out there. Everyone's going to be like tax right off. Good shit. That's exactly. That's what they say. Monfuckers would be like,

oh, he's rich. He doesn't donate. his money. He needs to donate it. And then it's like, and then, well, I do. And I did even back then where they were saying that, but I was doing it privately. Sometimes it comes out in tax filings because like, like I gave 170 grand to the Amazon Labor Union. Right. I didn't talk about it. But it came out because someone wrote an article about it. And in the article, they were like, Hassan Piker was the largest individual donor to the Amazon Labor Union. And it came out after the fact. And then motherfuckers were still saying it's a tax write off. It wasn't

even a tax write up. It's not even a fucking 501 C3. So, So, like, it doesn't matter. People were like, oh, you don't donate enough of your money. And then you do. And then they say, oh, you're doing it for clout. And it's because it's a tax write-off. It's not even a fucking tax write-off. And that's not how tax write-offs work anyway.

It doesn't mean that, like, you get money in return with the government or some shit. And then they're like, oh, well, he's just donating money. He's donating other people's money because he's fundraising. It's like, but I donate my own money as well. Then they're like, oh, there's a tax write-off. And then they're like, oh, he's not going out. there and doing it. And then when I go out there and do it, they're like, oh, well,

you're using the homeless people for clout. And it's like, there's no winning. So, that's, but that's the point. It, there doesn't need to be a, uh, a, uh, PRW there. I'm not doing this so the motherfuckers like turn around and say, oh, he's a good guy. I'm doing this because it makes me feel good. It's something that I believe. It's something that I think, uh, I, want to do it's something that also gives me a tremendous amount of of fulfillment so that's why I do it yeah and that's what I try to tell other content creators as well just like fuck the noise dude just do do the good things like do good things do right by others be a good person who gives a fuck if people are constantly chirping like yeah everyone is angry everyone feels the economic pressures

everyone feels isolated everyone feels alienated everyone is angry all the fucking time so when they see like some rich asshole that is is clipped for like 15 seconds and it makes you feel even for like it makes you feel like that's an appropriate vector for anger you just redirected at that and you get a sense of community by yelling at this one guy that you probably don't care about at all otherwise that's it's that's just in the moment you can't you can't let shit like that stress you out all the time yeah it's not it's interesting as a content creator i i can i mean before I was really even considering myself a content creator how I built what I was building was I wasn't even trying because at this point back in fucking I don't even know 2013 when I first started making

YouTube videos whatever it was or 2014 there was no money you know when you first start yeah and all the content that I made was just like this is just this is who I am this is what I do and this is my relationship to it and it's interesting because like that's what also brought me all the success and all the money was just doing something like you're speaking about in a different from a different lens or from a different time obviously but um it was just what I really wanted to do because it's who I was in it I felt like I was doing things that if it was helping them and then in turn it was actually helping me and I wasn't even trying to get help I was just trying to make content and then it turned into my whole business yeah no it's very fulfilling it's very rewarding yeah

the fulfillment part of it like you said when you speak in a content guy is like do it because you actually care about it yeah is the fucking key yeah yeah you're Yeah. That's the fucking key to, like, actually being able to have sustainable and, like, long-term success in this industry for sure. Yeah. And that's why I'm able to do eight to ten hours, even though people are constantly fucking chirping in my ear. Because you actually care about it. Yeah. But the point I couldn't even get across is still, because I just, I fucking weave harder than Donald Trump though. Yeah. That's dope. Is-you came back to it. Yeah. Just like him. Yeah. Just like Donald. Just like Don. The point I was trying to make is that even before I fucking went out there, someone in my chat was, was. was saying, like, oh, you're doing this to exploit homeless people.

I described the process, but I got fucking mad because I'm like, be, be charitable. Like, what the fuck do you think? Like, do you not know, have you not been in here long enough to know that, like, I'm not going to fucking be an asshole and, like, shove a camera in someone's face and, like, exploit different content? Like, why are you so cynical, you know? Yeah. I've been doing this for fucking years.

And they clipped it. They posted it on Reddit. It went viral. Everyone's like, nobody watched the fucking, nobody actually watched it after the fact. nobody actually cared that like I had taken the necessary precautions we didn't film any of the people that didn't want to be filmed or like that we didn't ask for prior consent from you know what I mean I didn't do all of that and and yet people still went with that narrative because they just they just want to hate yeah it's a it's a fun way for a lot of people to interact with others that they think are like minded individuals and in that brief moment it's like it's like opening up a bag of chips it's not healthy for you but it feels good in that moment you know it's just It probably fucks you up. It probably fucks you up in the long run, especially if you keep consuming the chips over and over again

before you know you're fucking, you're 300 pounds. They are good. Halapeno kettle chips? Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. Ah, dude. But that's the point. You do it.

It's unhealthy. People kind of understand the chips are unhealthy now, but they don't understand that like doing that on social media is also just as unhealthy, if not less healthy than even eating the fucking chips. Yeah. But that's why they do it. I don't know if that shit ever changed.

just though man because that's like that's just a human thing like to know what you know at that point and you just make your choices off of it and like the ecosystem where now is like there's so many it's like rewarded absolutely especially on the internet yeah it's super rewarded because like you know people get the top comment it's like they get the likes and we all said that fuck him whatever yeah it's weird man because like it i don't know this the the world we're in now as far as social media like it just seems like there's no unraveling this shit it seems like it's only going to speed to you know i hate to be cynical or nihilistic but it just seems like it's speeding to just fucking something bad i agree and i think that sense of uh like that that feeling of despair

is and and also the inability to change things is something that virtually every american feels is most people feel that i think right now something's got to change but i don't know i don't know how we're going to get there. I do think that that's why that's why things like luigi mangioni happened though because at a certain point you know someone's just like fuck this I'm taking matters in my own hands and then you know you don't find it weird how much like press they've given that after like the walks in the no I think they're trying to make an example out of him I think it's almost like you make an example and then like someone else can be like that guy got a bunch of clout and people think he's hot I know so it's like are they trying to make that

a thing that happens more often? No, they're trying to fucking be like, dude, a buddy of mine is a great journalist, Ken Kleppenstein. He got a NYPD memo that said that like people who are openly pro-Louisje Manjioni will also be treated as like

hostile, like treated as though they are also, you know, pro terrorism. And that's the reason why they hit him with manslaughter one in New York State. That means you're you did a murder in the act of terrorism or you killed a basically. Normally, everybody gets manslaughter two in New York. Manslaughter one is only reserved for

people who kill cops, cop killers. They say, you know, you shoot a peace officer. If you shoot an EMT or a five fighter, but nobody's shooting fucking EMTs and five fighters. They're shooting cops, right? Yeah. So it's for cop killers. It's a very high, you know, it's a higher penalty. Or if you are murdering someone in, in the act of, in an act of terror. So they're considering that an act of terror. Yes. Killing a fucking healthcare CEO is considered an active terror. People get murdered every fucking day in this country.

You murder a warm, rich guy. That's terrorism. That's interesting. Yeah, it is. Yeah, because those are the real people. Those are the only people that matter. And I think the media is so invested in like trying to fucking finger wagget people. And I think they're

missing the mark a little bit because they just make him look cooler and cooler. Like that fucking prep walk that the the the the the perp walk that they did that made him look like he's the fucking joker you know what i mean what is he like superman like and one of the cops had like some nice shoes on like oh yeah the jor yeah i was like what the fuck yeah he wore his sunday best but it just seems like they're gonna now it's gonna be a documentary and it's gonna be a yeah and a Netflix thing but it's it's in a weird way it's also just glory not even a weird way they're glorifying it

100% but if he was like some fucking sick twisted pedophile serial killer even if they Perv walked them, it wouldn't have that same impact. Sure, there's still crazy people that like, you know, jerk off to Charles Manson or whatever, right? There's like a medical term for it. I think it's called like histrophilia or something. I don't know. To specifically Charles Manson? No, to serial killers. Like, like people that like fantasize and fall in love with like serial killers and whatever. They always say don't fuck with girls that like serial killer like documentary. They say that's something about that. I don't know. That's, you're eliminating like 90% of the dating pool. I think. There's,

there's that's like the I think women love true crime man they love true crime why do you think that is um I don't know I've been I've always wondered that they like the bad boy a buddy of mine nah I think a buddy of mine thinks it's like the the women's fantasy like like the men the male fantasy is like you apprehend a school shooter like you put yourself in a position or you engage in hand-to-hand combat yeah you're the hero and um I've I've talked some people that they think that like it's a there's pageantry to the to the deaths almost where they're like you have the beautiful victims that everyone uh feels bad about I don't know I I just don't understand it I can't see the same thing with like the Menendez brother thing came out

and was like how all these girls shut up to their trials and the girls are shown up to this guy's trial yeah well it's not even just girls they're showing up to his trial but I think like they're making it seem like they're making it seem like that to try to like soften the impact a little bit to be like yeah no it's just like silly girls that love him that want to fuck him because he's hot it's like people were celebrating this before they found out what the motherfucker looked like and yeah people were people were everybody immediately universally understood what was going on before they knew the official motive of the shooter when they found out who the victim was. You say universal health care CEO, Brian Thompson, assassinated in

broad daylight in New York City. Everyone was like, oh, I know what happened. Why did everyone immediately understand the motive? Being that they thought that this got person got killed because of the health care system somehow. Yeah. Yeah. But do you think that's like a, I mean, killing someone's not necessarily a good thing in any case? Yeah, of course. It's a, if you were to handle all your problems that way, there'll be societal collapse. You know what I mean? Someone cuss you off, just fucking dumb him. Man, that's like the Wild West.

That's what I mean. You can't have that. That's not like you can't foster a normal and productive society like that. So what do you think they're, why do you think they're trying to scare people from not doing it? It's almost like, I think they're trying to punish people and, and, you know, finger wag people and try to get like at least, I don't know, anyone who's like over the age of 65 that watches television to also be on board. because like the reality of the matter is if you're 65 plus you just listen to what the TV is saying

and you just kind of repeat it it doesn't matter you watch ABC you're a liberal you watch Fox News you're a conservative my mom love my mom so much but man but that's it like if the television man says like this is bad you shouldn't feel good about this in most circumstances people will go okay I shouldn't feel

good about this if they're over the age 65 social media is an entirely different universe right but I think that's the major reason as to why they are doing so much coverage on it where they're like this is bad you should feel bad this person had a family this person had children and a lot of people who are under the age of 65 who don't give a fuck about what tv man is saying look at that situation and go you know who else had a family me motherfucker and then you denied my mother's chemotherapy bills like you denied

her chemotherapy claims that you paid for so fuck you know it's it's it's so bad that like Insurance is so, like the corrupt influence of for-profit health care is so fucked up in this country. Other rich people hate it. Other CEOs, I looked at his LinkedIn post. Brian Thompson posted on LinkedIn like two years ago and talking about like, you know, here are numerous ways in which like we're trying to be better for our, you know, for the people that were taking care of, right? There are other CEOs in the replies being like, fuck you two years ago. Now, before he got killed, I'm saying, on LinkedIn, you got other CEOs going, no, dude, your fucking company is awful.

You denied, you know, you denied my medical coverage for an immediate family member. Like, I'm suffering. So that's how fucked up the situation is. The fourth most profitable company in the country, right? You got their profit margins are 6%. It's $33 billion in net profit that they brought in. $33 billion in 2024 for doing what what the fuck does an insurance provider do

what do they do asking me what do you what do I think they do so what normally you pay insurance and what they're supposed to do is that when something happens they cover a larger portion of what you would be paying if you weren't yeah but their entire profit margin relies on being a middleman that doesn't need to exist

and doesn't even exist in some countries at all, at all, and their entire profit margin, their entire profit structure incentivizes insurance companies to deny claims. That's how they make the money. They get the money from you. I've been there as well. I've been there as well. Yeah, they get the money from healthy people, right? And they leverage the healthy people who they know are not going to need a payout against the people that do need a pay out. And because they're, you know, they need medical care, right? Medical care is already incredibly costly, and partially it's incredibly costly because of insurance, because the insurance company has no incentive of, like, lowering the cost

of medical care. In some instances, like with these pharmacy benefit managers that was supposed to be in the bill that they were supposed to pass in the Clean Resolution Bill in Congress, pharmacy benefit managers are literally owned by United Health Care and all these other fucking major insurance companies. They were incentivized to increase the cost of pharmaceuticals because the rebates that they were getting. So like in many circumstances, they're just making it more expensive overall because it doesn't matter to them how costly insurance is or how costly healthcare is. It's beneficial for them to be, uh, for healthcare to be costly because nobody wants to pay 200 grand, right? Yeah. So they have to get insurance. Yeah. So you have to get insurance.

How do they make the money? They fuck over the people that are sick. They get the money by telling people who are sick oh you're actually we're not going to pay for that that's how they make the money yeah yeah i've been there but so so that's what i was saying goes back to what i was saying earlier is like the system completely is just like we're chalked i mean yeah you can throw your hands over me like this sucks what the fuck are we gonna do but like but that's why i'm so stubborn and that's why i keep fucking pushing through no matter what because i'm like this has to be solved somehow because do you think it'll be solved in your lifetime um hopefully but But my goal always, and this is what I tell other people as well, is that you got to take the

steps necessary to move in the right direction, even if that change doesn't happen in your lifetime, ultimately, society can only foster and grow when old men plant seeds for trees they will never sit in the shade of. So you just got to keep putting, you know, you just got to keep putting one foot in front of the next and and moving in that direction even if even if change is not immediate because change is never immediate yeah you know she changed on that scale and that sort of like especially when you got fucking a company that makes almost half a trillion dollars in in uh revenue that's that's it as united health care uh their their revenue for the fiscal year 2024 was how almost they're number one as far as the health care goes right yeah yeah and

also they're number one in claims, in denial of claims. 32%. That's fucking insane. That means people that paid for a product, right? 32% of them got this in return. That's insane. And this isn't like your fucking Starbucks barista messing up your order, you know? You can come back tomorrow and get the right, you know. Life in some cases. Yeah. No, in most cases. It's your fucking life. You either have to go through medical bankruptcy, which is insane that it even exists. Like, this concept does not exist in other countries.

There's no such thing as a medical bankruptcy in any other fucking countries. Like, think about that. Yeah. Richest nation on earth. And, you know, it either fucks your life up, directly kills you, you know, because they're like, yeah, we can't pay for this coverage so you can't get it. What do you do then?

You just die, I guess. Yeah. you know or it ruins your life permanently because now you have you're saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt yeah but that's that's what's the fix then changing changing policy yeah changing policy but good luck good luck changing policy when politicians on one side of the aisle are talking about fucking you know trans bathrooms or whatever the fuck and politicians on the other side of the aisle are not even doing a good enough job defending against that and have no real interest in like actually fixing that system either because their

sons and daughters are also working at those companies. They're also getting millions of dollars from these companies in campaign financing. And the media is also, you know, in the midst of that Luigi Mangioni coverage, what happens when the fucking, what happens when the advertisers kick in? You got United Healthcare advertisers on the fucking exact same channel, you know? So it's, It's an entire system designed so that you don't recognize the cruelty of the system itself. It does it by telling you you should fear the other. It does it by telling you that you should fear your neighbor in some instances that your neighbor that has the same exact problems that you do in terms of like paying rent or in terms of fucking putting food on the table, the cost of goods getting higher and higher or how expensive it is to like send your son or daughter to fucking the best possible school so they can get a leg up. in life

those people are your enemies those people are the people you have to fear those people are the people you have to despise and it it also tells you that like there's no alternative the alternative is is so much worse so scary death and destruction you know

but it's it is exactly that it's funny it is currently exactly that in a lot of ways for a lot of people yeah oh man I wish you could just fucking Jane let me just start over yeah it'd be a little reset i think we need that yeah fuck man well on a on a lighter note what do you what do you what are you doing in your in your spare

time i'm playing marvels i'm so i'm so invested i saw you i saw you i saw you shoot at once i text you i was like yo i got to come i'll play support yeah oh absolutely we need we always need support who do you who do you who do you main i mean venom i'm a diver i'm an off tank i never like playing tank classes in those games because i played a lot of overwatch for before I play rivals. But I've never been a big tank. So your DPS or a support? DPS.

And it was funny because people, when they watch me, I'll stream and fuck around, they'll be like, why are you not like Reinhardt or Venom or something like that? Just like helping, you know,

helping the team. No, support, I think, is the most important. Good support versus bad. Like, you can have bad DPS

and it's fine. You can still win. Yeah. But if you have bad support, you're done. You can't win any fucking games. That's how Overwatch was the same way. Yeah.

The game is so fun, though. Yeah, bad support ruins tanks and ruins DPS as well. Support is like the backbone of the entire team. And, and, you know, bad tanks oftentimes or bad DPS oftentimes will not protect their flank and will not protect the support. And then you're fucked. The mom is like, that's what I do is Venom. I go after the fucking lunas and the mantises.

I just fucking dive in and just pummel and swing out. It will play. We'll have to play. But one more question about, kind of about you and your, I guess, journey. But you came to the gym or you text me the other day. And you're like, yo, they're going to write something about you in some sort of like, what was that? There's a article coming out about like people who feel homeless in the Democratic Party.

And this buddy of mine connected me with his journalist. I wanted to write a piece on it. So he came in like he just, he basically was, with me for four days. But you hit me up to say, like, you were going to mention me in it? Why were you going to mention me in it? Oh, because I thought, like, they wanted to see, like, a full scope of, like, how I do things and, like, who I interact with.

So, you know, while we sporadically interact with one another, I thought, like, it would be a good opportunity to be like, well, you know, Bradley is someone who is an influencer. Yeah. You do the, you've interviewed, I think you've interviewed, like, I don't know if you interviewed Trump, did you know? Yeah. So like, you know, um, for that reason, it's just like to show that I also, uh, you're not just an echo chamber guy. Yeah, I just like, well, I, I, I collaborate with other content creators that, uh, are not, you know, that don't agree with me politically. And what is the, is that what, but what is the rest of the thing about, just about you and your

journey? Um, it's more so about, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's dependent on what the editors want to, want to change it to because it can, I guess you can turn into a fucking hippies on me, Honestly, like I genuinely don't know. Those are always a fear when you work with, when you work with legacy publishers, like, they can just, they have so much access to your life and they can just on a dime flip it. Yeah, because we were there. It was funny. We're at the gym and you were like, yeah, he was writing everything. So whatever you say, whatever you say, he could write about it.

No, I mean, he's a good dude. But ultimately, it's not even up to the journalist. It's up to the editor. The editor can just like massage your piece in a very different fashion. Most people don't know that. But it was essentially about the people who don't feel like they have a home in a Democratic Party. Yeah. Was it just because of the way that the election had gone that they were like, okay, we got to like look into this?

I think that's part of it because like I got a lot of, I was very critical to the Democratic Party. But at the time before the election, people were running victory laps like Kamala was putting numbers on the fucking board or some shit. And I kept saying, and I kept saying, guys, this is dire. The situation is dire. You don't understand. I said it at the DNC. I went to the fucking DNC. I saw that.

They did kick me out in the last day for my pro-Palestinian advocacy. But, you know, it's fine. Why would they kick you out for that? I, so just like every organization, there are people that don't agree with me being there. And then there are people that wanted me to be there. And that was already like, there was a lot of internal strife for that reason. And I am a loud mouth. Yeah.

And I don't hold back just because someone is being. hospitable to me. I'm not like a party loyalist by any means. Yeah, because I saw you on, on like some sort of like announcing table talking. Yeah. It looked like at least that it was in no, yeah. They put me, they put me in a primo slot. I had the same fucking box that like Jake Tapper had. Yeah. Which was crazy. But then, you know, they took me out of the box. How soon were you there until they took you out? Oh, I was there. I was, so the first day was nothing. Like they weren't ready for it. They didn't fully understand. I took advantage of the fact that they don't fully understand what I do.

Like, they knew my position was, like, critical to the Democratic Party, but they didn't understand the logistics of, like, what I do, I think? So they were like, oh, what do you need? And I was like, I need a table. That's all I need. Just give me a desk and a fucking hardline internet access. And I'm good. So the first day, they didn't do that.

Second day, they put me in, like, some, you know, high-rise, like, room for all these other influencers, the creators for Kamala. And I got a bar cart, and I fashioned it into a desk. and um you know i got internet access uh and and basically i stream from that room and there's like all these fucking the hairy sissons are all like right next to me oh my god eating uh cruditates or whatever and like listening to baroque obama speak and i'm like turned in the opposite direction locked in talking to my chat um and then the second day they were like oh we got to put you in a room because like you're around these other people we can't do that so they put me in a

balcony. That's where I saw. Yeah, the balcony of this like box that they were using for like interviews in and out. And they even kicked me out of that balcony one time because like Elizabeth Warren was supposed to come in or something. It's fine. You know, I, I was very grateful to even be fucking invited.

Yeah. I didn't even think they would invite me. So for me, I'm like, I'll take it. You know what I mean? From where I'm standing, I was like, anything I do here is a dub for me. Yeah. You know? But I had already knowing full well that.

they could at any moment revoke my access. I already set up in my hotel room as well, knowing full well that that could have been a problem, you know, down the line. So the third day, they're like, okay, we're going to put you, first day you didn't do anything, second day bar cart, third day box,

fourth day is the last day. That's when all the Palestinian, the uncommitted movement was like, very frustrated that they hadn't let a Palestinian person speak at all and the night prior they had the fame members of of Israeli hostage come out and speak

and they were very critical of Benjamin Nanyahu too like they were the ones who were like he's standing in the way of peace which is true right so but then people were like okay well now it's time to have a Palestinian American

who's a Democratic Party delegate right like this is not a random Palestinian American this is a person who's going to vote for Kamala Harris this is a person who is a part of the Democratic Party can, can they speak? And they said no. And then the uncommitted movement protested outside of DNC.

And I went and I, you know, interviewed them. And I tweeted in the, there was a back and forth. There was a little bit of like media chaos happening at that moment. And some people were going to the press to be like, oh, they actually never really sent like a real speaker or something. They were lying. The DNC was lying. Yeah. So I tweeted out.

the DNC is operating like Israel, just lying. And then I think like 30 minutes later, while I was being interviewed by the New York Times in front of 70,000 people watching live concurrent viewers, they came up and they were like, you got to leave. Because of the tweet. I think that tweet was the straw that broke the camel's back where they pointed to that, I think, to be like,

it was just too close. They had given me assurances too, too. like that I would have the box for the entire day. And then they were like, nope. And then I was like, where can I go? And they're like nowhere. And then they took my, they revoked my access to that like area.

This is interesting now that you have someone writing a piece on the, the people who don't feel like they have a home in the Democratic Party because they kicked you out. But I think like all of that. You think that was part of the reason why? All of that I think factored into, and my regular after that, my regular criticisms of like the Harris campaign, why are you putting up Liz Cheney? like in the forefront.

Why are you only trying to go after these like Republicans that are going to vote Democrat? That's not going to happen. Try to fucking solidify the base. If you want to win like make a statement about Gaza that's different than fucking 800 year old Joe Brandon. Right. Like what the fuck are you doing?

Like are you guys trying to lose? Like what the fuck is happening here? You're going to lose Donald Trump again. And and there was this like sense of unearned confidence that the Democrats had because they'd raised a lot of money. Yeah. And there was a lot of attention. And I was very worried and very concerned with the way that they were operating and very

frustrated by the end of this process saying like, you guys are going to fucking lose. Yeah. And lo and behold, I was right. So after the election, I think people just like kind of looked for someone who had maybe seen the warning signs ahead of time. Yeah. And I happened to be one of those people.

And also because like my audience is almost entirely comprised of like all of these demographics that left the Democratic Party, like young men. Because a lot of people think that my audience is all just like, I don't know, women or like little children or whatever. No, it's like Amazon drivers. You know what I mean? Like those are the motherfuckers that are

delivering your packages and they have me in their ear, you know? And community organizers, like people like that. Yeah. That, you know, union workers. So and a lot of them are young. A lot of them are young men. Between the ages of like 18 to 35, a demographic.

that like went to Trump by pretty fucking solid numbers. Massively. Like shocking numbers. Yeah. So they were like, oh, who's the, the, the work, not the working class. We're like, who speaks the young men more convincingly? And then they're like, who's the Joe Rogan of the left? Oh, it's this guy.

And I was like, I'm not like, that's not a thing. You can't, Joe Rogan used to be the Joe Rogan to the left. Yeah. Yeah. And. And I think that's the reason why a lot of people are trying to play catch up to be like, what happened? How do we get here?

How do we lose like this? Do you think they fix it before the next election? No. Fuck. No, because this is, this is, this is the process. Like, this is how they stay in power. So they don't want to disrupt that, I think. You mean, you think it's just, wait.

They just lose and then they fundraise off of the losses. That's what they did with abortion. Like, that's, that's what the Democrats do. They lose and then they fundraise off. the losses. When they're in power, when they actually have power, when they can actually legislate, they don't actually push the agenda that they promised that they would deliver on. I mean, there are examples of this. There's numerous examples. Last time, I guess, is like the 60-person majority that Obama had in the Senate. And even that was on shaky grounds.

But there's like plenty of things that even the Biden administration, not to get too into the details here, but there were instances where the Biden admin could have applied pressure on a lot of these, like, funding bills that only need a simple majority, which the Democrats had. But there were players, what I like to call rotating villains within the Democratic Party, that would constantly spoil those bills. They'd be like, no. Oh, you want $15 minimum wage? No, you can't have that. I won't vote on that. And what like Trump does really well that I wish the Democrats would do as well is whip those votes. Trump would just be like, oh, you're not going to fucking, you're not going to play ball.

Okay. I'm going to primary you. You're not going to play ball. I'm going to call you a fucking, you know, loony leftist or whatever, or I'm going to say you're a rhino. And then all my fucking diehard fans are going to own you. Like, they're going to hate you. They're going to despise.

They're never going to vote for you again. And I think that way, you create party unity. You force party unity to happen. And that's why you can push your agenda. Democrats don't do that. And the reason why they don't do that is because they're not invested in actually doing these changes. Because those changes are disruptive to the real power players, Republicans can get away with unity because their changes are not disruptive to power players. Their changes are not disruptive to those with money.

Because what do they push for? They push for deregulation, which is beneficial for corporations. the wealthy, they push for tax cuts, which is also beneficial for the corporations of the wealthy. You can get away with doing those things. And you can whip votes for that within your party. It's much more difficult to create unity in the party when your goal is to undermine this multi, almost trillion dollar industry of health care, right? I feel like they tried to do the, the shit talking to at the end. They were just like Trump's fucking Hitler and look he had a, They're like he has a rally at Madison Square Garden

He's Hitler. Hitler did that. I mean, look. They tried. But it also like looked crazy. It was like, what are you talking about? I think that I think that you can't do that while also simultaneously being like, I want to build the border wall.

You can't say Trump's border wall is racist and then turn around. And then be like, we're going to do it. Yeah, and then turn around and be like, but we want to build the border wall now and Trump doesn't want to build a border wall. You look like a fucking asshole. Yeah.

You look like a fucking hypocrite. You look like an idiot. And you look like a liar. Because you are. You are a liar. I don't want the border wall. I don't give a fuck about the border wall. I think it's meaningless.

I think it's a waste of money. It's stupid. I think that a better pathway for immigration and better processing would literally eradicate a major aspect of the cartel that traffics people over the border. You would cripple the cartel financially that way. Because, yeah, they make a ton of money. Yeah. Like you would cripple the cartel also if you had better gun laws as well in America because like almost every single gun

that the cartel uses and they got kits out there that make you look like a fucking Delta Force operator. Those motherfuckers have like American guns. How the fuck do they get them? Yeah. How do they get them?

Yeah. You know. In Texas. It's not even just Texas. It's like the CIA. That's how they fucking got them. But those what? The CIA is giving these fuckers guns?

Oh, fuck yeah. Absolutely. The CIA is the number one drug trafficker on the planet. Why are they, oh, ab's fucking looted. It's so deep, man. I mean, this is like, that's not even like, what I'm saying here is not even like a secret, really. I mean, it's contested for.

But in what settings where they like, here's the guns, like where they, they ship drugs, they buy the drugs and for the drugs they give the military hardware. And they also, and they also purchase, I mean, obviously cartels also purchased small arms from the CIA is like regular, regular gun shops as well. the CIA's like, yeah, we need some drugs? I mean, are you familiar with the Iran-Contra affair? No. So this is precisely what they did illegally, and it was investigated, and Oliver North was

found to be guilty of doing this. But there was a scheme where they was like basically it gave bombs to Iran in exchange for weapons, and I think it was, the contras were trafficking drugs. Yeah. And also simultaneously being armed by the. American government so they could do regime change and yeah there was

there's a massive network of drug trafficking that like played a formative role in in funding a lot of these operations both for the CIA and in general for these militant groups and America doesn't give a shit ultimately because they can sell all the drugs they want

at the end of the day as long as they are disruptive and as long as they can create regime change as long as these countries don't become like social or whatever, they're fine, you know? And they train these guys to do it as well. But the reason why I said the CIA with the Mexican cartel specifically is because there are certain, there are certain, like, initial cartels that were directly, I think,

trained by the American military. And also, sometimes they also directly get, they directly scout the federal agents as well, like federal operators as well, in the Mexican government, who also are a part of like a security arrangement with the American government, so they get training from the American government. It's, I didn't do a great job of explaining. This is very reductive, but,

but yeah. Do you know he should do a pod with, you should do a part with Joe Rogan? I would, I saw you retweet that. Oh, yeah, that's, yeah, that's this, I used to be a massive Joe Rogan head. I've met Joe Rogan before.

I have to, I love Joe Rogan. I've hung out with Joe Rogan. Back in the day, he was a TYT fan, like many, many years ago. before I was ever like on camera like I went to the improv and it was me and Anna Casparian and we like after his set he just like sat with us for like two three hours and we just talk I love Joe he's no probably does not remember that but it was a very important memory for me yeah you should go on it I think I think he'd be good I would love to but I don't think I don't think you let me on why not I don't know I just you know just I've also criticized him too much you have yeah I don't I don't think he's a he's too fun bond of people that are, you know, you're gonna... I think it'd be, either way, though, I think it'd be a good interview. I think it could be.

And also, even because of that, like, that would be, that would make it more interesting. From my perspective, at least, some not definitely watch. Yeah. No, I, I would love to. I'd love to go on Joe Rogan. Did you get shit for saying that, like, from your base? What? Because you retweeted it like you wanted to go on it, kind of.

Oh, no, I've always been, I've always said that I would love to go on Joe Rogan. I don't give a shit. Yeah, people who are like, oh, he's problematic. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. People give me shit for, coming on this podcast, too. I don't give a shit.

What the fuck, man. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. People, everyone is, everyone is biased for someone that they like. And I think it's more about like their own personal investment. If they, if they trust you, if they like you, then they give you a lot of leeway. Yeah.

With doing things. If they, if they agree with your message, they don't give a shit overall. They understand it. But then there are a lot of people who just hate, and it's not just that they, they can't just be like, I don't like that person's content and just let it live like that. They have to like moralize it. They have to be like, no, I don't like this person's content because he's a truly evil person. And it's like, okay, sure. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't think you're an evil guy, man. I think you're a good guy. I don't think I'm an evil guy either. But thank you for saying that. And I appreciate you coming on the way you did for real. Oh, yeah, of course. fucking time after time.

Yeah, hell yeah. No, I love, I love coming on this podcast. Yeah, I appreciate you, brother. Thank you for your time. I know you got some other shit you got to do. No, no, I still have another interview that I got to conduct now. What, if there's something you could leave off with as far as like, I don't know, hope, right? Hope of this being or people coming together.

Is there any sort of like, because you're in it. You're so fucking in it. It's like, that's why I'm asking you. specifically because you from my perspective you obviously have you know your biases like everyone does but you're as far as people that I've communicated with you seem to have the most like willingness to have the conversations whether they're difficult or not and you know I feel like that's the person that would would have the most insight I think um there is you know there's there's a lot of space for growth in American society and I I think ultimately a lot

of this pressure has to inevitably release and it can go in a really scary direction like mass deportations and you know concentration camps of the border or um through that cruelty i think or even the implementation of that cruelty it can lead to people finally recognizing that this is like unsustainable so um i try to tell people you know protect your own and try to focus on things that you can control in your life. Yeah. Because that will at least make you a healthier person at the end of the day. And you need to be healthy.

You need to be a healthy individual to overcome whatever happens next. It kind of sounds like things need to break. It's, I don't want things to break. I want things to be fixed. Of course, but I don't think, but if it doesn't, but if it doesn't go in that direction, I think that yeah inevitably things will break yeah because this can't like you can't have a million homeless people in the streets man you just you can't have a situation where like so many people

are so deeply resentful of one another and a lot of that resentment is coming from uh not fostering a sense of community and and also feeling the constant fucking pressure of you know sucking the daily dick basically of just like going and working in this and doing route tasks over and over again for another person with the hopes that like maybe you'll be able to make rent and potentially go out one weekend and slam a couple fucking beers yeah with the boys uh and and have shitty relationships and not have time to like focus on yourself not have time to focus on others your loved ones and then rinse and repeat year over year day in day out like inevitably i think it breaks people absolutely and i think we're there i don't want to be grim but i think we're

kind of there i mean we got so many fucking mass shootings happening we got we got so much pain so much violence violence overseas violence domestically like something's got to give you know and we'll see we'll see what happens but i um you know in the in the interim uh all you can do is make sure that you're you're healthy enough for what comes next so that uh and and also obviously you know help one another to the best of your ability yeah that's it man that's that's it i mean beautifully said i think that's that's ultimately the one thing we have control over which is ourselves yeah this is your vessel you know you got to treat it better yeah and do more nicotine yeah that's why that's why i fucking slam lip pillows yeah well thank you brother i appreciate your time all right

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