RAWTALK - HASANABI VS TATE & ELON

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

Join this bold conversation with our strongly opinionated guest HASAN PIKER. This is not like a regular podcast, we sit and discuss several things that are out of our element. We state our opinions in regards to politics, relationships, Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, femininity, lifestyle, health and fitness. So Prepare yourself to actively listen because there is a lot you won’t want to miss.SPONSORS:HTTPS://www.better help.com/RawTalk HTTPS://www.bluechew.com promo code:BRADSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

All right. I'm going to get in the zone. I'm going to get in the entertainment mode in a second. This is so funny. Why? It's just funny just knowing that you stream fucking hours on end every single day. And number one, I want to say thank you for coming because obviously I know you stream today. Would you stream eight hours every day?

Yeah, usually, but I only streamed like five, six hours a day. The problem is that it's not that I stream all the time. It's like, well, one, you're far as fuck. From WeHo. Yeah. I mean, that's like, that's a whole trip for me. And then two, my family's here. I've been spending a lot of time with them. Yeah. When they're here for the holidays and stuff, like my mom is staying with me. Um, you know, they're always like, they always got some something going on. Yeah. At the house. So today we were doing like a gift exchange, like Christmas style. Yeah. So that was, you know, there's just a lot. Right away, this makes me think of when I go to like family gatherings, everyone's like, so how's this and how's that like? Because I've Obviously, you know, you're big in all this, this internet shit, obviously a huge streamer. Do your, do people in your family know about your success and do they ask you, do they talk to you about this shit? Yeah, no. They know. They get it. They understand it.

Are they like, what is it like knowing this person or meeting that person or does it ever get annoying? No, they don't care about that. They're like, they're old. I mean, I guess like the little cousins, like, they get stoked when they find out, like, I hung out with like Mr. Beast or something. You know what I mean? But like, other than that, they don't. Yeah. they're too young and then the rest of them are too old so they have no clue what's going on yeah how long have you been doing social media how long have been doing social media i mean i started i started the young turks yeah so that was when i first started doing social media stuff originally i wasn't even on camera i was like doing off camera stuff i was doing biz devs stuff and then i for someone else on social media no for the young turks oh okay you know what that is no

you have no idea what the young turks i've heard it i was reading about it how long How long have you been on YouTube? How long have you been on YouTube? You've been on YouTube for a minute. Nine years? Yeah. TYT is like an old institution. They do news.

They're like liberal. They do liberal news. But I started off there doing like back end stuff. How did you get that opportunity though first? Let's take it back to that. It's just nepotism. Straight nepotism. That's how you got the opportunity?

Yeah. My uncle is the main host. I mean, it's a YouTube channel. It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like CNN or anything. you know what I mean they're and I'm bigger than them now anyway so which is I mean that's a crazy thing to think about now like you I mean the kind of viewership you get over time and monthly is like a lot of these bigger networks even yeah have does that ever make you feel like you have to like be a certain way or act a certain way or I don't deliver a certain message or

does it create any sort of I mean as far as like editorial control goals no and I I always just think like I'm just going to be myself I'm going to say what I believe and I'm going to do my research as far as like the accuracy of what I cover yeah that I care about that a lot that's that's something that I think is like pretty important because like for me there's a lot of people who rely on me for news aggregation there's a lot of people who rely on what I have to say for their news like that's where they're getting their news from so I do think about that a lot yeah um and I openly stated like I'm biased I know what my perspective is this is my perspective you might not agree with it here's why I believe

believe it though whereas like i think that's more honest than what cnn or fox news does where they're like oh we're covering the news objectively i'm like no you're not it's impossible to cover the news objectively that's not a real thing like everyone has a perspective yeah and they just hide it i'd rather openly state what mine is you know i just find it has your like your i guess because your main thing your main stick is like you're political commentator would you consider that's true yeah yeah i'm an entertainer like i mean i i i try to be entertaining yeah obviously like if You were just a fucking, fucking robot saying something people would be like not in three. But I guess has your idea of your, I guess we'll call them beliefs or your viewpoint,

have they shifted or changed over time at all? Have they started somewhere and gone somewhere else? I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think it ruins perspective changes over time. Like, I would say I was like way more broie back in the day. I mean, I still am to a certain degree. But I think I was, I definitely had, uh, it was.

wasn't right wing necessarily but just like more edgy views like i i always wanted to be like funny so i would just substitute just like everybody else does being edgy for like actual comedic talent right you know what i mean um that has changed throughout time i think i i had transphobic opinions back in the day too these are things that i talk about a lot too because i like to use that as a opportunity for like educate others on how i changed my perspective and learned you know what I mean and how they can too and and how annoying it is when people constantly like point back to some shit that you've said like 12 fucking years ago to be like that that's you it's like no motherfucker like you you didn't get me like I'm you know I think people get up in like

it's whatever they get you as when they get you that that's who you are and then or they'll like to go they don't like you then they'll go back to some shit and be like well you also were this yeah it's just it's really dumb because like everyone has had opinions that they don't agree with anymore you know what i mean that's like a part of human nature if you don't grow then the fuck are you doing yeah if you don't change your mind on things what are you doing so that is something that i hate i guess that's like one of the more unique sides of my coverage on issues and my coverage on politics in general is that like you know even though i'm on the left i'm a leftist i do think that we should be able to laugh at stuff you know what i mean like not

everything has to be super serious yeah and also on top of that like be more understanding of people who have like perspectives that are different that doesn't mean that it's like adequate or or acceptable but like everyone's on a journey you know yeah this is the thing that I help them learn I really wanted to actually talk with you about because I just think in general people who I guess tend to make their content like you about this political shit it's no matter what obviously I'm not saying you can't do this anyone can do whatever they want in this sense but it's all kind of divisive both ways right because it's if one side believes this is right It's like no one's ever going to be like, we're all, we could all play this fair, right?

Because right now, like, I've been watching your stuff recently and I've been seeing the stuff your, you know, the opinion on like Elon Musk and this and that, right? I fucking hate Elon. Really? Yeah. So tell me why. Because I watch it and I understand a bit, but. I mean, he's such a petty, petulant man baby.

Like, right off the bat. Like, he, aside from the whole, like, reasons why I don't like him is a boss. I don't think he's a good boss. You know what I mean? Like squashing unionization efforts at his fact. like not abiding by basic safety protocols like OSHA violations and shit like that and also being a billionaire you almost is the type of person that I'm supposed to love because he does things that I technically advocate for like every industry that he's in whether it be SpaceX and you know space travel technology like that is something that I love personally my brother's a you know he builds satellites my brother does this for a living It's something that I think is awesome. I love that.

He works in renewable energy technically. He's building cars that are, you know, EVs. Yeah. He's an EV evangelist. I'm supposed to love that. That's a, I have no problem with the government taking subsidies, using subsidies to promote renewable energy. That's something I advocate for, right?

So like everything he's doing, technically I'm supposed to be on board with, which I am in a weird way, but he is so fucking unlikable, routinely shits on taxes even though every single business venture that he's ever been involved in that he hasn't been like pushed aside on so that that business makes him money like PayPal he has always you're talking about the massive tax breaks well he loves the tax breaks he shits on taxes in general he's like overtly right wing from the jump and now he just like openly says it right um but back in the day i could tell like he was just like saying a bunch of right wing shit and i'd be like this guy's right wing and ever be like how dare you say that Elon Musk is

a liberal he loves EVs and now he just openly says it but um but it's uh like even the way he has done uh what he has done so far is is very frustrating just because he's used the system and the knock the system or yeah i mean you're yeah your your businesses would not survive without you know uh carbon credits that you rely on because other other auto manufacturers are not developing electric vehicles or weren't developing electric vehicles thus far. So you're constantly running like, you know, you're running a carbon credit operation pretty much because you're like, oh, well, I only make EVs. So other auto manufacturers would pay Elon Musk like almost a tax, you know what I mean? Right. So that they could take advantage of his carbon credits. Yeah. And, and that was the only

reason why Tesla was kept to float this entire time. Anytime they ever turned a profit, it was because of that. Tesla is also not seen as an auto manufacturer. It's seen as a tech company. So that's the reason why it's like 10x, 20X, like Volkswagen, even though Volkswagen is an international company with a significantly larger fleet that didn't have a 98% recall. You know what I mean? And it doesn't impact their stock price.

So like that I hate too because I don't like the stock market either. It's like an overvalued, you know, a garbage stock that is exclusively relying on a singular individual and how well he performs is a con man, like how charismatic he can be. Or he's not necessarily charismatic, but he has built a cult fan base, he's called following. And I'm sure, like, there's plenty of,

I'm sure there's some of you guys probably like Elon. I don't know, you probably like Elon. I love Elon. Yeah, everyone in the podcast space loves Elon. I think he's sick. They're like, oh, he's so quirky. He's like Tony Stark. He's like, no, man.

He is in many ways kind of like Donald Trump, except Donald Trump is a performer. Big time. Yeah, Donald Trump is. charismatic as fuck Donald Trump is funny as fuck he's zest you don't think you don't think some of the stuff Elon like post and talk about I mean it's funny like how he like I think it's so that's the worst part I think it's so bad it's just like so unfunny but I feel like we deify him because like he's so successful he's so rich so he must be like successful like he must be funny right like the I support

the current things meme the that's so funny it's so basic it's so basic it's like that's why it's funny but but like he did the let that sink in and it's like that stuff come on that's like how that's like 40 years old you got to be like 40 years old to like that's like nine gag humor from like 2009 like the first time someone made that joke like even back then people on red it were probably shitting on it like oh this is lame and but there are a lot of people that like that yeah you know there's it's not for me so i want to ask you specifically like obviously like you obviously you stand strong in a lot of your opinions my question is like why like how did you get here like why do you think there's so much importance for you to stand and say this is how i feel like what what do you think it means like what does it mean to you right because like why are you doing all this i'm curious because it's a very like that's a great question um i don't know i've always been like i guess like i've always been annoyed by bullies you know what i mean even from a young age i think that just like kind of stuck with me where i feel like if i if i think something is unjust i just can't shut the fuck up about it so

that's that's just how i operate for the most part and like it's funny because people will be like bro you're rich now you know what i mean you're fucking rich why are you talking about like poor people it's like yeah but you know my attitude hasn't changed on it yeah i mean i was broke and i was still talking about poor people you know what i mean like what do you want me to do now that i'm rich be like all right i'm done with this shit peace yeah um so yeah i just i don't know i think like i'm a profoundly fortunate person i think we are in this space oh my god people that have made it in this space. We are all insanely lucky. And I think we constantly overlook that fact. Like a lot of people overlook that fact. They want to make it seem like it's just, you know, it isn't just luck that

like we were ordained to be in this circumstance or something. Or sometimes people will, I guess, overemphasize hard work, even though hard work is, of course, an incredibly important factor. Like, I mean, I stream eight hours a day, you know, not many people want to do that. Yeah, that's, that's insane. because honestly like i even know just that audience is like the most toxic fucking audience yeah yeah i i mean i whip it pretty hard though like that's the thing um if someone is being over corrective and and saying like well that's actually kind of problematic why are you platforming this person boom i'll fucking i'll be like you cannot platform someone with a larger platform shut the fuck up and i'll ban him so like if someone from the left is like being over the top left

and like doing things that I do not want to associate with like being a good left is I will yell at them and I will clap them I will make sure that they shut the fuck up and I will make sure that my community understands that that's not acceptable if someone's like I was problematic don't laugh at that I'll you know I'll moderate it yeah I'll shut up so then so this is I'm curious now because like I've seen the way you spoke about Elon Musk and his relationship with owning Twitter and how he is like punitive towards people who are like you know they're doxing him and all this stuff and the journalists and the links and all this shit but they're not dachsham that's bullshit they're not that's crazy first of all f a information is public for everybody

every time you take a flight that's technically literally like it's just post 9-11 we got fucking you know missiles on the sky with people inside of it like everybody knows that is just always there's no way to overcome that there's no way to override that and i don't think billionaire should get special privilege but here's the interesting thing maybe that's just like you sat and you said you view this you personally view with that person let's say who's saying it's more left and it's too left and you're like yo boom you're out of here that's still your personal preference and your personal opinion to make that assessment no but what i'm saying right now is fact though like i'm not saying what you're saying i'm not saying what you're saying about the air traffic is not

facts i'm saying the opinion related to like it being okay or not on the guy's platform oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't think it's okay to have it on his platform yeah yeah no i understand that i know that's his personal preference i think that's bullshit yeah i think it's bullshit to be like I should get special privilege you shouldn't know where my private jet is like you shouldn't know where private jets are at any even moment I think that's kind of weird especially after all the Jeffrey Epstein stuff

like I think we should know where the fuck billioners are flying that in general no one ever figured that out that whole thing in general just became this like no one's going to talk about it thing that's what fucking happens when you know maybe you may or may not be working with the state department I'm just saying what happened to Jeffrey Epstein's tapes where the fuck like the New York

the Southern District in New York, like they raided Jeffrey Epstein's mansion, which Elon Musk's brother used to stay up, by the way, Kimball Musk literally dated. And I think he might have even been married to one of Jeffrey Epstein's girls who used to live with Jeffrey Epstein. So remember that one. That's a little interesting tidbit. Interesting factoid about Elon Musk, or at least Kimball. And anyway, we never found out about the tapes with people's names on it. I want to know. What the fuck is that? Yeah. And then they, this Maxwell girl, and then it's just like, They're like, oh, we're not going to talk about it.

Yeah. Yeah, it was supposed to be a star-sled cast on that deposition or on the court trial. And so they just wiped this shit away. I don't get it. I think it's going to be one of those things where as matters of like all all like espionage, CIA, FBI matters tend to get declassified like 40 years later. Yeah. 50 years later, unless it's like the JFK assassination, I guess, which is kind of a hot. Didn't they just talk about that?

that recently yeah they like released some new files on how they actually did know who lee harvey oswald was and how they were actually tracking who lee harvey oswald was and like he was involved with the cia basically something like that i'm not super familiar with that so i won't talk on it any further but i think it's like the the the summary of it is like they were like oh yeah we did know who he was actually we lied originally yeah it was like that's the crazy thing about all this shit is just like there's so much just seems like smoke and mirrors and I guess my thing I I don't like getting political I don't like talking about politics because like I think it's all bullshit and I think everyone's just invested in themselves and they're putting money in people's pockets and whatever side

or like whatever suits whoever and they're just doing that I think generally speaking that's the truth I agree with you I think that there is no sides in general it's just money yeah and that people with money will you know they'll they'll give 49% to one side and 51% to the other. Alright guys, quick interruption from the podcast. I know this is not the normal setting. But anyway, it's very important. Blue Chew is a sponsor to the show.

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Ultimately, at the end of the day, what they care about is advancing the interests of the wealthy. Whether it be deregulation, whether it be tax cuts, whether it be, I don't know, taking money away from fixing fucking potholes and giving it to the police. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

It's always going to be whatever the fuck rich people want. out of the system because the system designed by the rich for the rich that's actually quite a big part of what i talk about yeah that is what i'm frustrated with that's why like like you almost gave the republicans a lot when he was giving the liberals a lot too that's even this fucking sbf guy remember the the fdx yeah sam bank run fraud or whatever the fuck this guy this crypto guy he everyone was like oh he's giving so much to the democrats which of course he was uh because those were the guys who were going to set up, you know, those Democrats were the ones who were going to set up like some kind of crypto regulation that benefits him, right? You wanted to do

regular capture for cryptocurrency. Okay. And then it came out that he was given to Republicans too. He was, he was juicing both sides. Yeah. And it always is like that because both parties advance the interests of the wealthy 100%. So it's like, I guess my question to you then is like as like a, you know, someone who talks about this, all this stuff like pretty much daily. What's, what's the point then if there's no like if there's no it's just it's just all defyive by nature like everything about it is like whether you're here or there you believe this or that it's just it's like constantly just like some sort of argument between like my i believe this and you're wrongfully believing that and people are just attacking each other yeah i um i think that

a society prospers when old men plant seeds for trees they will never sit in the shade of this is my motto. This is my mantra. This is what I believe in. I think building a better society, even if you are not going to see the fruits of your labor immediately, is key. So that's why I promote the ideas that I promote, believing that even if there's marginal improvement that is like bettering people's lives and their immediate material conditions in the short term, or even if you're building a mechanism of organizing, like a mechanism of pushback against both parties, in the short term that will develop into something that's more prosperous in the long term i believe yeah um even though you know it is hard to maintain uh some kind of revolutionary optimism when you see how awful everything is all the goddamn time but um that's that's that's what i believe i think that like the system is designed this way for a reason and it's very successful um but uh you know there are things you can do and i just look to in the short term at least more successful organizations of society i look to social democracies in europe i see like free

health care you know they can do it why the fuck can't we money yeah well it's money but like we make a lot of money you know what i mean we have a lot of money and i think that we can change that i mean sure we can't change that immediately but we can at least like organize locally and uh put people in positions of power that have similar you know like minded attitudes that also do want you know free health care for people that's just one issue uh you can organize your workplace to make sure that you have a labor union so that you can defend yourself when your bosses are like fuck off you're working through christmas i don't give a shit you know what i mean um those are things i i think are valuable and in the long term if that it happens on a larger scale on a big

enough scale then you now have a group of people as we historically have had to scream at the Democratic Party and say, we're not going to fucking vote for you if you don't do this shit. Because right now we don't have anything. Right now it's all wedge issues, right? It's all bathroom bills or it's all fucking, you know, there's one 12-year-old that's trans that is, you know,

doing varsity swimming in Ohio in the entire state, which is why men can't play with women. It's like, bro, what the fuck are you talking about? No one gives a shit about this. Like I know, especially in the podcast circuit, people always say like oh what I care about the integrity of sports is like bro come on you don't watch women's sports like please don't tell me you fucking sit there and watch women's sports don't tell me you sit there and you watch varsity like you you really you're going to the varsity

swim meet like that's where you're going to that's what you care about like no it's just it like icks you out a little bit it like weirds you out so you're like politicizing that issue but it's not really a significant thing at all it's significant for the trans person it's significant for all those trans people who just want to like survive you know what i mean they're not like cheating they're not like trying to cheat so they can like win the fucking varsity track meet you know what i mean they're just they just want to be trans people they want to be normal with like the rest of society um but now they're like the biggest thing they're the biggest talking point well it's it's just a it's a tool yeah it's a way to divide people yeah that's just how it works i mean even the fucking governor

utah was like and utah's not exactly known as like a liberal save even you know what i mean it's Mormon paradise over there even the governor of Utah was like I looked into the details when when a bill came through the state legislature he wrote he vetoed it an anti-trans like sports bill came through the legislature he vetoed it because he was like there's one girl in the entire fucking state of Utah who's like 13 years old and you guys wrote this bill to like you know what drive this little girl to suicide like what the fuck is wrong with you guys he's like I'm I'm a Christian, you know. Yeah.

I'm a conservative, but this is ridiculous. I'm not voting for this. You know, I'm not signing this in the law. It's because ultimately it is about that, but we make it be like the largest issue. You know, we have to talk about that. We have, meanwhile, all these motherfuckers are stealing money out of your pockets. Yeah. You know, they're taking your tax dollars and spending it on whatever the fuck they want.

Yeah, that's the thing that's frustrating to me is like just knowing it. And it's like, is there a world in which this is different? Yeah. Or is it just like a forever, just circle? I mean in the short term I don't even think in my lifetime it'll change for the better immediately but I have to believe that it will eventually

you know Yeah Have you taking mushrooms? Yeah Nice I like mushrooms You ever had ayahuasca I've never done ayahuasca

I used to The thing is I used smoke weed all the time Right Yeah And then I fucking came out to California And these dudes out here The wheat's strong

10 years ago You know what I mean like 10 11 years ago these dudes were just smoking some crazy shit i don't know what the fuck they were smoking you know and they were also like uh putting like hash oil on the outside of it keef yeah yeah and it was like i didn't know what the fuck i was smoking but it would just like fuck me up started getting me really paranoid yeah and also it was really hard to maintain a good diet while smoking because i love eating yeah i can't stop eating yeah you're you're a big guy yeah you're actually probably one of the biggest content creators ever met

Yeah, I'm 6-4-255 right now. I'm trying to lose again, but, you know, it's hard. My parents here in the holiday season. Yeah, we were talking. We were on, when I was on, we were live, I guess, on, on H-3's pod, and you popped in, and we started talking about the liver king and this whole apology video and stuff. Yeah. But, uh, you were talking a little bit about TRT and, like, testosterone and all this stuff.

Is that something you'd be interested in doing? Eventually, yeah. Yeah. Like, not right now because, I mean, I don't know. I take, I take propitia for my hair. Really? But you have so much. hair but that's why i take it because i don't want to lose it what the fuck what you take a pill yeah

doesn't that fuck up you don't fuck your sex drive or anything because that's normal when i when i took like one full i used to take one full pill it started making me a little depressed so i started just taking half a pill instead but it like it lowered my libido to just like one another day yeah hold on yeah that was the worst no before it was insane like how you quantified your libido to a nut yeah one nut a day oh that was good or sometimes too but like but it was a good thing like i think it was a good thing that my libido was lowered a little bit for sure that's comedy so what was it prior to propitia i don't even know it was crazy oh shit so so i i like that aspect of it it doesn't happen to everyone yeah and i don't think like i mean i it could have been

the propitia or it could have been the fact that it was getting older anyway but like i mean i i i i think I have a pretty healthy sex drive still and I would say it's more healthy now. But it's more manageable. Yeah, more manageable. Yeah. You have a girl anything in your life? Sometimes. Got you.

Got you. Fair. It's just like it I like to keep things a little private at least in that sector of my life because so many stalkers. Yeah. And also like fucking nuts. I'm really curious like how the fuck you could have a relationship streaming that many hours every day because that seems like one of the hardest things to balance yeah i mean it works if it

works it works but uh like i said the reason why i don't talk about that sort of stuff ever or relationships in general since i started streaming at all is because like it's pretty crazy yeah like people because like people in that side both street on the streaming side a lot of stalkers a lot of harassment um that happens all the time but then also on top of that i'm political so uh oh yeah field it's like oh everything is fair game like I'll docks your mom I'll fucking docks your family A little more vindictive

Yeah it's really fucked up I mean I get death threats I've been getting death threats For the past 10 years You know what I mean And I don't I don't want to put anyone through that Especially not normies Like that aren't aware of that world

You know I get it That makes sense But anyway so the working out stuff Do you train consistently Or is this like are you like The H3 thing where you're like You don't you don't believe in it No no I train consistently

I lost a lot of weight Originally I think I guess like when I was 24, 23, I lost like 80 pounds over the course of a year. What the, so you were overweight? Overweight? I was 320 pounds. I was very fat. Oh, shit.

I was very flabby. And then I lost a lot of weight. I put a lot of muscle on. I got a six pack for the first time of my life. I could dunk for the first time of my life. These were all goals that I had. And it truly changed my perspective on like what I can accomplish. Like it changed my life for the better in every avenue, not just like weightlifting and

working out because that was the I think that was like a goal that I had my entire life and being able to accomplish it in my own through my own means made me feel like oh shit like if I work really hard like I could achieve whatever the fuck I want yeah you know I applied that to pretty much everything now and uh that was that was huge and then during well I got knee surgery and that kind of like made me yo-yo a little bit and then I lost it again you know went up to like 240 went back down to 220, 2.30, and then I, and then COVID happened. Yeah. I move, great time. Yeah. It's fucking awful. I, I moved my mom in with me because I didn't want her to be alone. And then, you know, I'm just eating all day in front of the computer all day. All my muscle atrophied, like,

and at first I didn't even realize I was like gaining weight because like my muscle was going away and I was putting on fat, but you can put on a lot more fat than muscle and pretty much stay the same on the scale but like think about this I'm sitting for like 12 13 hours a day in front of the computer not moving at all yeah like not even sit like sedentary at that point it's just like

you're comatose all my muscle atrophied um I began to get really fucking fat so depressed so like I couldn't move like I couldn't move my body in the ways that I was used to so once I got the vaccine

you know I'm gay now I get the vaccine. I get the gay vaccine. You know, I'm, you know, all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, shit. Immediately. I, I, I gained, like, a little bit of confidence. Because I was a little worried. Like, I never got COVID. And I was, I was worried about, you know, giving it to my mom. Okay. So I got the vaccine and I had a little bit more confidence. She got the vaccine. I was a little bit more secure in, like, being able to go outside. And being gay. And being gay. Yeah. And, and working out again. So that's when I started. So that's when I started working out seriously again but it's been hard like it is it's harder to like get back to your old self your peak physique when you're fucking 31 years old it is harder yeah test would

help that's i know you'd fucking love it though yeah but also like i don't want to fucking i don't want to lose my hair yeah but i so are you already predisposed to losing it you think like yeah no i because my hair line was receding that's why i started taking propitia you know i i do the the spray on stuff. What is that? The Finisteri-Modoxia. Oh, yeah, I do that too. Oh, you do both.

Yeah, I do both. Oh, shit. You know, they made the road. So that's rogain. Basically, yeah. Which I think works in like 33% of men. And if it works for you, you're great. If it doesn't, you're fucking cooked.

Yeah, you're done. It doesn't work. But now they have that in edible form, too. Apparently that, like, works. I don't want to ingest it. You don't want to take anything? Fuck, no. No, no.

I'm gonna go to Turkey and get that fucking you want to get the why what's your let me see your let me see your situation it's not that bad what the fuck yeah I don't like it though yeah I mean I I know I know what it's like trust me you got a full head of hair and you're like you're still taking that shit yeah I mean but like it's receding barely bro I mean I know that's why I started taking the drugs barely that's actually crazy yeah I didn't want to go crazy that's when you're supposed to take it yeah like that's true that's actually true Yeah, when you first noticed it receding, it's funny fucking, what's his name, more plates, more dates. Yeah, Derek.

Before he, like, popped off, he did a video on my finesterite usage, like, years ago. Yeah. It was like one of the older videos on his channel when he had like 20,000 subs or something. Damn, yeah. Yeah, because I was talking about it on stream when I first started taking it. And he said the same thing. It's like, when you first noticed it, that's when you're supposed to take it. Yeah, I wish I did it sooner.

See, you would have done it. I know. Probably would have had a nice full head of hair. no speaking of speaking of years ago why the fuck aren't scientists figuring that shit out bro but okay to be fair I was reading something that they were saying that like they're close to like really figuring that out

they say that every fucking five years bro there has to be way to do it honestly it just sounds like it's another money making scheme to not figure out if that was the case then motherfuckers like LeBron wouldn't have to go back and get hair transplants bro I would legit give a percent of my like income to fix my hair see that's a huge deal I swear to God it's like dick shit and hair shit

I swear to God. It's just like the two things hold and fell is back. No matter what happens, okay? How the fuck have they not solved this stuff? I don't, I think it's just an endless amount of money. That's why they just, why would they solve it

when they could just keep pumping that? Viagra can't be making that much money. Bro. All those Viagra, Blue Chew, all that shit's making dumb money. Yeah, but like Blue Chew is like relatively new.

You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem with capitalism. See, you see it too. It's like a cure is a one-time solution. So you can't make money off a, a cure right but you can treat an illness over the course of a long period of time so like nobody

gives a fuck yeah i just that one i wish man i would legit empty my bank account for that that's what i'm saying it's like but then that's a one-off and they can they can hook you on anything else for you know they can hook you on other shit permanently yeah anyway so it's funny i dm'd you to get you on the pod and then i looked back i was like this motherfucker dm me in 2016 about like it seemed like we were talking about lockers or some shit i don't know i guess i don't know i guess i I was replying to your stores. Yeah. How did you find me years ago then?

2016 would have been like almost even before I started to blow up. Yeah, yeah, because you were, you're like a fitness influence. Yeah. That's probably why. Because I was like, I was really into fitness. And that's what it was. There was like, there was a bunch of dudes I follow that I don't even know what the fuck they do now. All the old people that I used to follow back in the day from fitness, like aside from you,

have kind of like dropped off the map. I don't even know what happened. Yeah. I was thinking about that the other day, except for, I guess, Juju Mufu or whatever the fuck. Yeah. What's his name? He's crazy. Yeah.

He's still, he's still popping off. But there was, like, I was thinking about this. There was a guy named Brad Animal or something, the Brannimal? Brad Castleberry. Was it Brad Castleberry? Like, what does he do? Is he still making content? Doing the same kind of shit, I just don't know to any degree newer.

Oh, okay. He would do the box jumps, right? Was that him? I was doing box jumps. He was pretty strong, but everyone said he had fake weight. Is that the same guy you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were saying he was doing fake weights. Yeah, Rich Piano back in the day, RIP.

Okay, well, Rich Piana is the goat. Yeah, no, he is. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he, you know, gone too soon, unfortunately. Yeah. But, yeah, no, I was, yeah, people like that. So you were into fitness like that then? I mean, I liked it, yeah.

I mean, I would follow everything. You still follow people now, like any stuff in fitness? Now, dude, there's this, the one fucking dude I follow is, uh, his name is brad too i think the 54 year old like the the natty god oh he was like he was like a cross-country runner or something and then like at the age of 34 decided to like start working out yeah fuck what's his name damn yeah i don't find it yeah no was was i think joe rogan was yeah yeah he was that dude is crazy so dude when are we gonna get you on fucking gear man get you to shape we got to get you at the gym this podcast is about bro what the fuck

Well, because you talked about it. You were like, you were like, no, I've always been like, I've always been super open-minded towards a testosterone, but I'm very, like, I have a very addictive personality. Oh, yeah. I'm, like, worried about, like, the highs I'm going to feel off of that and then not want to, like, ever stop cycling. Because you know, it's never the same. That's the thing.

Yeah. You know, you know, you know. And I, yeah, and I know, because, like, you know, I know a lot of my friends in college fucking were on all manner of steroids, you know, HGH, everything. so like I know I know what it's like fucking feels great that's the craziest part these motherfuckers were doing it at like 18

like that but that's that's fucking that's that that is definitely super young too young because it's like what are you doing your body is like built your body has a built in steroid it's just being 18 yeah and you're also just not even you're not even able to maximize

yourself even at that point but I think it's it's really really popular nowadays for kids to get on younger because of this whole social media viewpoint because everything is so like kids doing everything younger just in general and it's like people see these influencers or things that they think is possible that like they had never seen because like when i was that age i didn't see any of that shit it was like i was reading magazine i'm 33 so i'm yeah same i'm 31 yeah i'd be looking at magazines we had bodybuilding forums bro we didn't have shit we had ziz that's it exactly yeah bodybuilding forms it was like teenation was a big one i'd be on and then it would just be

like just random forms to learn about shit but now it's like that's kind of worse because like then you have like some random dumb motherfucker in ohio writing stuff like he's the authority you know what i mean you know how to fact check it so yeah he's got the avatar that was it yeah yeah you're like he's probably smart he looks jacked in his avatar this one photo now at least you got like you got like you know nippered who's you know very good and very smart you have a lot of you have a lot of like really good content creators now that are thoughtful and intelligent and then you have like funny guys like liver king who i think are they're more content creators than like actual fitness people you know what i mean like he's not giving you exercises the work on

he's not he's not telling you like correctives yeah it's like a character man yeah he's a character and as a character i think that's fine yeah but like you know just be a little bit more truthful about your usage yeah because what did you think about that i mean obviously like we talked about a little bit on that pod, but in general, I think it sucks because it's just like, majority of people don't know. They just don't know. They're going to believe what someone says. And then the people who are in it, who are closer to it, no, you could see very clearly,

hey, what's going on here? Yeah. No, anyone that has, like, actually worked out knows two things. And these are two things that people, uh, that normies don't fucking understand. One, that dude's definitely on gear. Two, it's still like incredibly hard to look like him, even if you are on gear so he's putting a lot of fucking effort in yeah if these two things were more clearly communicated to the masses i feel like people would have a better understanding because

you you literally think like oh you do you do steroids and automatically you're fucking mr olympia yeah like that's not how that works at all what the fuck it's almost like the same way girls think oh if i start training i'm gonna be just like a dude yeah that's the funniest thing women always think like yeah i'm gonna have the fucking well-defined jawline it's like no unless you do hg and unless you're not gonna have the the classic female fitness jawline okay that that that doesn't come from doing you know booty boot camp or whatever bro and it also takes so long to build muscle just in general even even even obviously on gear happens faster but like in general training i mean people just have this i don't know maybe

it's just like i said everything's always from the viewpoint of looking out someone that has it and then they just go well they just do these things and that's it so if i do these things that for some reason people think i'm going to do it for fucking five weeks it's just going to be my reality and it's just not even close to the case yeah not at all there's plenty of dudes that look like shit they do steroids they're just not eating right they're not working out they don't know how to work out it's not gonna happen to you don't worry

you know what's an interesting thing I think about Kumal and Johnny should come out though the fuck is that who who Kumail Nanjani who the fuck's that the fucking dude from Kumal and Johnny he's the he's the Pakistani dude who like became like a Marvel guy but he was on like what is it Eternals or something oh I didn't see this I didn't watch the movie either

but like he's like Jack now how do you not know Kumail and Johnny went from like the fucking like you know the nerdy the nerdy brown dude the nerdy Pakistani dude to like Sylvie pull that up Insanely svel and he says it's because he like worked out a lot or whatever You know what I find funny about that concept

is like just like success in general like people look at stuff and they go oh this is all you did to get there and then they try to put in the work to get there and they realize it's so much harder but then they don't they can't apply that same concept to This is what it looks like now okay but he oh 100% on you have you seen what he used to look like not but i could already look at his bicep veins yeah his vascular he's out of control your veins don't get thick like that it's just

not normal for most people yeah for most people i mean here this is an older photo of him that's actually kind of like makes it look like it would be more of a natural transition but like it's no he used to look so different dude he was like and it happened over the course of like half of a year yeah I mean, it's just not. It's Hollywood. Hollywood does this shit all the time. I've been doing this forever. Yeah.

He looks great. Fuck it. But I mean, also, like, I feel like that definitely shaves, that definitely shaves, like, five to five years from the top of your life. Nah, I don't think that many. No, I don't know. But, I mean, I was going to say, I would take it. Look. I would take it.

No, yeah. I mean, he's, like, nothing. No definition. I think, too, I think, too, the bigger thing, like, especially for these kids, if they're listening to this and they're, like, actually. thinking about or considering or doing any of this shit it's just like blood work people don't realize how important that stuff is because people don't realize actually what's happening in their body and then we talked about a little bit on eight street spot but i think any any conversation i tend to talk about if i ever talk about steroids i always try to talk about actually looking at yourself

whether before you're going to get on or if you're on or while you're on like you need to be aware of what's happening how your body's like adapting to it to know whether it's safe or not for you otherwise you're just like shooting in the dark and i think i think not enough people hear that kind of stuff when it comes with this stuff because I think I'm going to get it I want to do it and even on the same concept like getting it like it's just going to happen fast without realizing like there's all these other things that you should think about before you just jump in because that's like the worst thing is like I feel like there's probably so many like kids it's in gyms and their bros are like bro take this shit and they're like taking probably in for them

copious amounts of shit that it's just not even necessary to get what they want so there's just something to be said about it just anytime I talk about I always try to preface it a little bit That's why I believe in legalizing anabolic steroids, legalized steroids across the board. I'm not even kidding. I've been saying this for years. Yeah. I think it would be better off if we legalized it.

And then we had, you know, better, more adequate, transparent medicine surrounding this process. Because right now, like a lot of rich people do it. Most of them, I'd say. Yeah. All athletes do it. A lot of rich people do it. So LeBron does it? No.

I would not say that. Yo, that's what you said all athlete. He's not athlete. I mean, most athletes do it. Actually, I mean, maybe. He might have done it too. I think like a lot of, I feel like a lot of athletes probably do it when they're younger.

I mean, I don't know. I think older is when you do it more so. You think they, just for longevity. Because like these things are, it's not even, it's not like,

I'm not saying LeBron or any athlete would take something because they want to be like a body member, but it's just like tendon strength, ligament strength, like recovery. That's a part of the, that's the aspect that people don't talk about with respect to the series is like recovery.

Yeah. huge you know and also mental like you you'd actually would be surprised how like actually mentally like focusing it can be like it changes your almost like your idea of what's possible because you just there's that much more um i guess you'd say like uh believing in yourself just a self-belief yeah you get more confidence from testosterone course and through your veins exactly yeah i mean i'd rather marginally move the needle by like making healthier choices moving around sleeping more eating a better diet it's not going to be the same as like steroids but still yeah of course i'd rather keep that going for as long as i can and then until it gets to a manager unmanageable level then i'll do

then i'll manageable level doctor what unmanageable level in the sense of it like i just feel myself slipping to a degree where it's like i just don't feel happy yeah and and depressed and all this shit because like i want to i still believe that i can do it without steroids yeah you can absolutely at this age i'm only you know i'm only 30 well that's that's something too that's important is like like you said the sleep the water the food all this stuff is is if you're if you're like flopping that already it just makes no sense you might as well nail this see how that treats you and then you know if you want to go further and then the next level yeah yeah so i got a question for you what what is like what do you enjoy the most out of all this stuff now because obviously like

you do this every day how long have you been doing this every day um so i started full time in 2020 And then COVID happened. I left the young Turks and decided, you know, I'm going to do this on my own. And I started doing it full time in 2020. And I was like streaming, you know, eight hours, 10 hours every day. And then I was supposed to follow Bernie Sanders' campaign around the country. And then COVID happened. So that destroyed that plan.

And then my dog died in the beginning of COVID too. So I'm like sitting in a fucking one bedroom by myself. in the middle of west hollywood depressed as fuck can't see anybody you know what i mean yeah freaking the fuck out so i was like well i guess i'll just wake up and do this should have came to zoo culture to work out i didn't know the zoo culture was open but i probably wouldn't have done it regardless because i was very like i followed the protocols pretty to a tee damn i didn't yeah i i know i'm sure many people did not um many people did not and then complained about it they're like oh man these fucking lockdowns are crazy it's like bro you

you live in Alabama like nothing locked down chill okay definitely not like like our shit locked down but for real for real when I when I went outside like when I went outside the first time to get groceries it was crazy there's like no one out the best part was driving on the freeways that was pretty chill I was like yo this is insane that was pretty good yeah you can get anywhere in like actual time you should like 20 something minutes yeah it was that was the only time yeah it was just like you and Uber drivers you know fucking amazing drivers um but that's that's when I like really just I streamed 42% of the year in 2020

So that's like literally 42% of the entire year I was live in front of a camera. That's insane. So I was just sleeping and streaming. That's it. Was it worth it? Yeah. In all aspects of your life? Yeah. No, for sure because I had nothing else going on. The only thing I am upset

about is that like I, you know, drop the ball on weightlifting and working out. That was the only part. And 2021, that's when I really started getting weight. And that's, I would say, that was the bad part and then the second half of 2021 I started working out again so so I guess my question is like what what do you enjoy the most about this now like because like you can't do this forever right I mean obviously I'm not trying to I'm not you're not telling your audience you're going to stop

Twitch stream or anything but like no that's what everyone always says but it's like because of the nature of my work I kind of could because it's kind of just like politics yeah I mean you're kind of sitting and talking and it's almost reminds me of a very long live podcast it's just kind of engaging with the audience yeah no It is like, it is like old school talk radio. Yeah. That is what it is. And I do think that I can do it for a very long time.

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slash raw talk, 10% off your first month. give it a shot i love you guys to get back to this podcast truly enjoy doing it that's how i feel about i make enough yeah i make enough money that like i don't have to do it eight hours a day yeah you know what i mean i there is no there's no obligation like i just like doing it eight hours a day that's what i enjoy doing i think about that all the time because people will be like oh you bought like this expensive thing or whatever and i'm like bitch i could buy way more expensive shit what the fuck do you mean like you know how much money i make um and i don't because like why would I? What am I going to do?

I don't even know what I would spend money on. Because I already do what I want to do. Yeah. Well, what about other businesses, other projects, other things? Are you doing anything else like that? No. I mean, as you merge? You don't just put your money in a bank account. No. No.

Yeah. What? Pretty much, yeah. You don't have something else you want to invest in or like, no. Damn. Investing myself. That's it. Um, yeah, no. I mean, I, I, I help my friends. That's it. My family. So does, you don't have anything else where you're like, man, I like to have this kind of business or I want to push this for. No, I don't want any of that. I know I could, but I don't want it. Yeah. I don't, I don't even like, people always get mad at me. My friends who are in finance gets so mad. They're like, bro, you need to fucking invest. Like the fuck are you doing. Well, right now it's actually good that I haven't invested. But that's besides the point. Um, but, you know, they always, they always, they always get. get mad i mean they're like you got to you know make your capital accumulate more capital for you what the fuck is wrong with you and the system is certainly designed to to benefit those who have a lot and and you know retire basically at an early age but i don't want to do that i you know i'll

keep going for as long as i can yeah and then figure it out makes sense okay so i want to kind of switch topics a little bit i know you you're not the biggest fan of andrew tate oh i love he love him are you the are you things number one fan maybe then he's my number one fan this motherfucker's out there still talking shit the one time i wrecked his ass on a debate which wasn't even it's supposed to be a debate it just like came on the show because like this fortnight streamers manager was like yo enter tates on the stream do you want to come talk to him and he was like owning this other twitch streamer who's like older has like you know color hair and he's a liberal and he was like owning him i guess he was like oh you you look very feminine

you look very gay like you know doing that shit and everyone was like oh you're celebrating him and then i came on and i was just like you're a dumbass and then he got so flustered by that because he had like he just had dick riders up until that moment you know what i mean that that stayed with him i think because he still talks about me all the fucking where where on what platform on whatever podcast he goes on whenever he goes on a podcast because i see it he still has like fan boy accounts that posts his videos and he like says uh we debated and he owned me and then I'm afraid of debating him again or something like recently i saw that i was like what do you mean that's not true damn you should say something up i like

andrew tape man i do i think i talked to him off camera for a minute i think Andrew tate is like uh he's like liver king in the sense that like i think liver king's overarching output is just like healthy shit like sleep move you know what i mean like i'm in i'm on board with that Andrew Tate's overarching output is just like women are whores so I don't like that but I do think he's like a charismatic person he's definitely a telegenic person he would not be that successful if he wasn't so as an entertainer I understand what he's doing as an entertainer I understand and can say hey see what you're doing there and I think you have some qualities that I you know I think is good you're a good entertainer you can be very funny yeah he's very funny sometimes

he's fucking hilarious dude yeah but also he's got a lot of fucking young dickheads that uh also think like that also just repeat what he's saying and and obviously like and i said this when he got banned off every platform i was like defeating andrew tate or like taking him off platform he's not going to combat misogyny like you're not going to you're not going to do anything you're not even move the needle you're just like pushing him away and that's fine because he's a nuisance i guess is like 12 year olds are saying you're not making any money you bitch to like other 12 year old girls

in fucking middle school are they though? I 100% 100% they're doing that you think so oh yes I think he was I think he and his like explosive growth and his and his success truly made like gave people

and just the the the the guidelines basically of how to like operate like those kids were going to say dumb shit anyway they were probably going to say you have cooties but instead now they're saying you're a bitch where's my bagai you know what i mean like that's the difference like it's still the same principle because like patriarchy misogyny these are like societal constructs so you know that's not going to go away i mean everyone's have everyone has a little bit of that in them regardless even myself right

and um it's it it's something that you need to like examine and and work on and that's part of being an adult. I do think he's very insecure, though. Despite how charismatic he can be, I think he's a very insecure person. What do you base that off of? No one who is secure with themselves talks about their material possessions that way.

Are you talking about like stuff on Twitter? Stuff on Twitter. Constantly talking about like how successfully he is. Like women love me. They come up to me all the time. And they say, Mr. Tate, you are so sexy and hot. And I say, yeah, bitch, I am hot. and it's like he said that he said shit like that i haven't heard that i've never you've never heard

that i've never heard that crazy he like it's hard not to hear it we i have seen i have seen like the money tweets and all that kind of shit we all know guys like this everyone knows a guy like this a guy who's just fucking like a loud mouth who like talks a way bigger game than he actually can kick and uh for me i think like other insecure dudes can't see through that for some reason like when i see that i'm like oh i know exactly what this dude is i've seen it a million i think a part of it's part of it's part of it's because like now especially because he's back let's just for example on twitter um he's not he's definitely not speaking to the misogyny stuff that we're talking about i don't think he's doing really any of that

kind of shit anymore no he really he really shut that down real quick yeah so it's different it is different it's different so now now it's like i mean i i i when i'm looking at it it's like of course, I think the things that the bigger hitter is that other stuff that you talked about, obviously like the empowerment of men, but then also like the money and like the, I believe in empowering men, but I don't think we need to empower men by like, you know, shitting on everyone else. I think, as a matter of fact, I think that doesn't even empower men. It just like makes it unnecessarily confrontational. Do you think that, that, the opposite though, had been happening for many, many years, which is why, because I think the reason why he has so much popularity

outside of the controversial shit that he was saying that was like, causing people to be like what the fuck who this guy's saying this i can't believe this like the whole like choke women shit yeah this crazy shit he was saying wild shit right but it was causing this controversial people make these they everyone's talking about it but i think besides outside of that i think for the longest time like men were not told to be men not like there was like this it was it was in fact the opposite where it was like it seemed to go down this like make men more feminine i don't but i don't but but he's feminine as fuck like like Like, homie is wearing the worst, the gayest looking slippers I've ever seen in my entire life, okay?

The skinniest fucking jeans. If you want to, like he's so Euro, it's, I'm sorry, impossible for me to look at that. As someone who grew up in Turkey and be like, wow, what a, what an alpha guy that guy is. Like, he's wearing like the skinniest, slimmest, like, a t-shirt you've ever seen. Like, that's kind of zesty, you know what I mean? And there's nothing wrong with that, obviously. like I'm very much in support of that lifestyle if that's what we want to do but like don't fucking shit on uh you know don't don't fucking shit on people that want to do that he constantly

would like get mad or he he he says a bunch of things that I hate one about me in particular he says one I deny the Armenianianist I never have he just like keeps lying about that for some fucking weird reason um I've never done that and I'm Turkish so I think that's why he says it so people will be like oh yeah he's turkishie must and i they are managing it's like i don't that's one and then two that i wear dresses and i have like uh yeah kudos we we do like uh fucking makeovers or whatever that for fun for fucking ticot and shit like that and and i don't give a fuck like yeah i'm i'm jacked you know what i mean yeah i look good i don't give a shit and um but that's confidence like i don't care i can wear a dress like it's not gonna i'm not insecure

about my sexuality. I'm not insecure about my masculinity. Well, now I have to ask you a question. I have to challenge you a little bit. Go ahead. So moments ago, you just said he wears slippers that are gay. I was joking about that. Okay.

But I'm saying like that, so someone's going to hear that, though, and be like, well, then. But I also do think that that's a little fruity, you know. Yeah, but there's nothing, but there's nothing wrong with being a little fruity. Of course. Of course. That's what I'm saying. I work out. You work out.

I think, and I've said this many times over, if you go to the gym, you're a little gay. Okay. As a guy You work out You work out dude You're a little gay We have a we have a term for it's called admiring It's oh come on

It's pretty funny But like you see other dudes With like fucking big ass pecks You see a dude Who's put a fuck load of work into his body You don't go That's impressive Of course yeah

Exactly It's a little gay It's a little bit It's fine I mean listen I said this years ago I said this years ago Like body buildings like that

It's like Because I got popular on the internet and my following my fan base is a hundred percent dudes yeah there's not like i have a ton of girls like this guy's hot i mean i'm sure i have some yeah because you have what a lot of people who work out know a guy's body like you have a body that is not designed to like exclusively attract women like you don't have the slim slender body you have the fucking like umbrawlick body right that's for dudes dudes see that and go that's impressive i see that i go that's impressive You put a lot of work into that, and I respect that.

Yeah. Little gay. That's it. That's it. It doesn't mean I want to suck a dick, but as a little gay. It is what it is. It is what it is. I just think that's my point, though.

Like, I think, like, there's no reason to just, you know, be more open about stuff like that and, and try to, like, abide by these rigid principles of, like, what it means to be masculine. I think what it means to be, what it means to be masculine can change. But if there are, like, core foundations, I think, one of them is, you know, being confident, being secure in yourself, being secure in your skin, and sometimes doing shit that's even goofy. You know what I mean? And I think young men fail to comprehend. And I know that. I was that young man, too, to, like, present myself a certain way because of my insecurities and want to, like, behave in, like, the textbook ways

that we've seen how men are supposed to be, like alpha men are supposed to be. There might be some positive values associated with that, like leadership roles, you know, doing the right thing. But also, there's some negative ones that are kind of toxic where you're just like, you go overboard or you're not always doing the right thing, not wanting to take accountability for your actions.

Like I think those are traits that we sometimes falsely attribute to like what it means to be masculine. And I think insecure guys a lot of times, like Andrew Tate, can create this like false notion of what it means to be a man. I don't think men should be running around saying how fucking alpha they are. My principle has always been this. If you have to say you're an alpha male, you're probably not an alpha male.

I'm not even talking about the fact that like alpha males and beta males or whatever the fuck was immediately, you know, destroyed by the main guy who looked at wolves in captivity. Like the first researcher that came up with the alpha beta concept literally immediately was like, actually this was wrong and it should not be attributed to humans in any way but these are also wolves in captivity whatever like i'm not even talking about the scientific background on alpha and beta i'm talking in general like if you think you embody the qualities of what it means to be an alpha male right like a go-getter like you fucked shit up you know you take what's yours um you're not going to run around saying your alpha yeah you shouldn't have to tell everyone yeah people will know

Like no one has to be like Like I don't know I've just never met someone that is like I'm such an alpha male I'm so successful I'm so fucking rich Look at me and gone Wow that's a sweet dude

I want to hang out with that guy Even though ironically If Andrew Tate didn't do all that dumb shit He's like a funny person And I would literally be like I can hang out with that guy Dude I think he's hilarious I talked him for like two hours

That's what I mean He was cool I'm sure I'm sure he's wonderful But his output it and the way he presents himself and the way he promotes himself is is trying to reach as large an audience as possible in order to do that you got to like really fucking dumb it down and i think when you do that especially when you're doing it for the things that andrew tate is doing

it you come across like um you know in my opinion you come across very insecure other people don't see it though they they think he's like super confident it's like uh there's a veil and I think like depending on your own perception that's either like impossible to see behind or immediately you can just destroy it like I see someone like Andrew Tate someone constantly saying how rich they are someone constantly talking about how expensive the things that they're buying are someone who constantly is like fucking promoting that shit someone who's saying like they're fucking so many bitches like all the time I'm like bro what are you fucking 20 like are you it's literally the kid in high school who I was as well who was like yeah I have a girlfriend

she's super sexy she just goes to a different school it's that and the worst part is like he probably does have sex with a lot of women you know what I mean like you don't have to do that you don't have to say that but but that's the thing I think part of like like you're talking about part of his output is that though yeah it's it's marketing but like you know you can find something better but so anyways another thing I was kind of talking about was I guess I think the reason why he's so popular is the empowerment aspect of it though because he was the first guy who came out saying shit that everyone for so long was afraid to say though like for example like if i got on the internet was like i don't like fat bitches right people would be like wow body that's so fucked up but how is

that empowering men now i'm not i'm not saying that's not empowering men but i'm just saying for the longest time on the internet it's okay though for girls to be like i don't like short dudes i only date tall guys but that's not empowering men either right like neither is but what i'm saying there was this disbalance of like it's okay for people to say that and men felt like I can't say this otherwise people are going to be like oh body dysmorphie your body shaming like if I said I don't like fat bitches I like skinny girls or I like girls who are like more in shape something's going to be like wow you're so insensitive I can't believe this but it's like if if a girl says I only like guys who are six feet and taller it's like that's fair okay

I mean it doesn't mean they're going to get it though no I know I know it's not but it's not about getting it or anything it's just like there has been that double standard for a long time I know what you mean. I think like we hyper focus on the double standard of like the aesthetics in many instances. I think we give some, I guess, amenities, if you will, to people that are like otherwise getting owned in different categories. Like people that are being being marginalized from a certain perspective, we just kind of allow people like that or people who are in that category to like get away with saying things to those who are not. marginalized in that similar regard because like look the reality is this is not going to be a popular thing to say but i think like i myself as a six-foot-four relatively attractive successful cisgender heterosexual white guy there's not much you can tell me that is going to

like cut me to my core you know what i mean there's nothing you can say that like lands on like preordained stereotypes about someone like myself or someone like yourself that is going to immediately dismiss us. You know what I mean? Because we're the default character. We're the default character in every video game. We're the default character. I'm not saying like, oh, this is the worst thing possible.

And we only, we need to stop this. We need to put an end to that. And we need to change it immediately. Because I don't think that even that is actually creating progress. Right. But I do recognize that. And I also recognize that when you're not the default character, people can like very quickly cut you down without really doing too much.

They can like shit on your accomplishments. immediately by saying, well, she's a woman, she fucked her way to the top. Classic. Right. And for a big chunk of people, because that's a stereotype that has like, uh, have been, been normalized and repeated so many times over, a lot of people immediately go, oh yeah, maybe that's right. And it doesn't even matter. And maybe some women have fucked their way to the top. But ultimately, like, it doesn't matter because you're, you're, you can cast the entirety of women in a similar way like that, right? That's a level of marginalization that women go through men do not we don't have anything like that can you because i can't think of like a single thing maybe there is something but like um in my life i've never been

uh i guess marginalized in any meaningful way for being white or marginalized in any meaningful way for uh being a man or being straight um being Muslim that has you know definitely had some setbacks And, but like nothing that, you know, took me down, uh, ultimately because I'm still pretty fucking white. You know what I mean? I'm not brown. I'm not like, uh, you know, I don't wear it on my face that my name is Hassan, right? So I think that that's a, that's a pretty big advantage that I've had that I recognize. And I think for that reason, uh, some people that come from that background like women, for example, they lash out. They do the men are trash thing, right? All men are trash kill all men like that was like a big thing and like especially like 2014

2015 and it's like that's dumb as fuck obviously you know your dad's a man like there's I'm sure there's plenty of fucking good guys in your life too and and I do get annoyed with that as well but like I don't really spend a lot of time on that because I know like that's coming from a place of powerlessness because who cares there is no legislation that is being written that is like the abortion ban is a good example of this like there's no equivalent to that for men you know what I mean however everyone does face one significant form of oppression whether you're white man or not doesn't matter and that is under capitalism that that is what i firmly believe i believe that if

you're a worker if you're working class yes you are going to get fucked over by your boss and it doesn't matter you can be a white man you be a black man doesn't matter as a worker you are going to get fucked over by your boss because your boss wants you to work as many hours as he can make you work for the least amount of money and you want to work for as little as you can for the most amount of money that's a normal contradiction that everyone experiences and everyone feels and that dynamic is definitely going to cause some friction some tension in your life and you will get fucked over i mean you've worked before you know built this gym and stuff like that right did you work a regular day job kind of yeah what you do no i never really had a regular day job i uh i worked

you never had a boss i did so i worked at i did i worked at 24-hour fitness before i like became an independent trainer fucking word yeah it was yeah i remember it was i mean it's it's a lot like what you're talking about it was i remember like a ptd or whatever like a fitness director that was yeah no i was i was a personal trainer i did well selling training and then you know the club manager like around christmas time around this time they'd always have meetings they'd be like you got to sell more you got to sell more and i'd be like what do i need to sell like the i'm trying to sell the result to these people because i knew that ultimately that would get them to come back to continue to buy and he's like yeah but like re-sign this person anyways because like they're

trying to hit quotas and i remember being like fuck this shit i just don't give a fuck i'm gonna quit yeah so but when you say capitalism is doing that to everyone like but then we're also we're all doing it to ourselves though right like well well now we're doing it to others in a way or we're benefiting from it in some way which is why it's like impossible to escape like there's no way that i can be like an ethical consumer you know what i mean there's no like no matter what I'm wearing Nike shoes, you know, some Indonesian baby made this shit, you know,

there's no way to avoid this. You just can't, right? It's fucked. But it's true. I love those shoes, though. Yeah, I mean, they're fired.

Like, shouts out to the Indonesian kids that made this, like, you know, those little tiny baby hands, they're fucking doing the work. Details.

Yeah. And like, the point is, though, like, there's nothing I can do about that. Like, I can't,

like, you know, fly into Indonesia and do a coup. So there's like a people's revolution there. You know what I mean? but like what I can do is at least you know make my immediate space as as good as possible

and you know try to try to promote those values for others like I work with union made domestic manufacturing in my merchandise when I do that there's a lot of fucking hurdles in that regard when we're doing the merchandise because like you know they just don't have enough in supply it's not like it's hard

but I still do that because like it's what I believe in you know what I mean It's little things like that that I try to instill in others as well. Do you have a team that helps you with that side of your business or is it just all you? Yeah, I work with someone. Okay. I work with like a company that helps me out. Cool.

But, um, but you just described it. Like everyone has had an experience if they've ever worked under a boss. And I did too before I like started on my own, you know, you have no control over your own life. And that is where you spend 80% of your adult life. 80% of your adult life when you're working, you're working as someone else's bitch. like that's just the reality unfortunately and there's nothing really you can do about it and it's like normalized and what i advocate for is to at least like get a little bit of that autonomy people always say hasan how do you do eight hours a day 10 hours a day well it's because like don't you suffer don't you have like trauma

don't you need to go to a therapist and i'm like no not really and i was thinking about that recently it was like back when i was working less hours but under someone else i fucking hated going to work on Monday. I felt the Sunday scaries or whatever people call it, right? I was so stressed all the time. I was worried that over the weekend, like, I might get a fucking phone call. Part of that was because I was broke, didn't have enough money to, you know, so I had the like nickel and dime Ubers to figure out like, you know, am I going to have enough money by the end of this month to get food. And then the other reason was because I was working under someone and I had no autonomy in my life. I had alienation for my labor. These were things that, you know,

that truly were gigantic weights placed on me. And then the moment that I had that autonomy, the moment I started working for myself, all of a sudden that was gone. And now I have this most liberating feeling all the time. If I don't wanna work one day, I could just stop. Yeah. You know, I don't have to ask nobody.

My insurance is not tied to anyone else. It's just something I pay for. You know what I mean? But how long did it take you to get there? it took years yeah but what I'm trying to say is I believe that like big parts of that you could literally have while working under someone we just don't want to do it because profit margins are slim like a workplace could offer more autonomy to the worker a worker could fight back for said autonomy um a workplace and and I'm sure like you have a smaller operation a lot of

YouTubers I talk to, they already do this without even thinking about it. Like, they don't fucking grind their workforce down because you have a much closer relationship with the people that you're working with. Because it's not faceless. It's not some fucking, you're not a factory owner that owns a million fucking factories or a piece of a million factories through the stock market. You're working with your workers. They know what they're doing.

You know what they're doing. You're face to face with them. If one of them is like, yo, I'm sick. I can't come in today. You're not going to be like, no, you have to fucking come in, bitch. you know what I mean yeah I hope you're not like that but my point is I'm definitely like that oh okay good you gotta work through it motherfucker was Nate over there is it Jacob over there yeah of course even when you're sick yeah

no I mean it depends he mean this guy was sick he got his fucking wisdom teeth taken out he was gone for basically a week but but no I get it I yeah he had a full on vacation I get what you're saying but I guess the question is like on the bigger scale then for these massive corporations like that how do you even scale how would you scale something like that to, because, like, I understand it here on this. I mean, it happens, McDonald's, right? Like, you think of McDonald's. Like, it's the worst place that you can work for pretty much in America, right?

Yeah. But those motherfuckers have unions in, like, Norway and shit. How the fuck are they over there, you know, slinging the same burger, but they're doing it in a much more fashionable way. They're doing it with way better amenities. Those countries also offer health care. You know what I mean? That's a huge, gigantic fucking burden.

Like, having your health care. tied to your place to work was a really scary leap for me to make when I was like leaving the young turks and going on my own. I was like, fuck, like, what's going to happen if I need healthcare and I don't have it? You know, I can't pay for it or some shit. Yeah. So, like, that's huge. That's a major burden that you live with if you're a regular worker, you're Joe Schmo listening at home to this podcast, probably on the way to fucking, you know, drive to another shitty day at work where you're fucking dumbass manager who doesn't even know better than you, but somehow got to that position before you did he's going to fucking lord over your goddamn life

you're going to be thinking you're not even thinking about that but you're thinking about it no matter what it's like a weight that you have on you at all times like you can't control your fucking life you know that you recognize that you live with that every fucking day and my point always is that like you could have more control over that and you should have more control over your life if you have a family fucking if you have a family problem if you're a server if you're in the service industry and you have a family issue like your manager should not be able to fucking immediately take you off for the next fucking two weeks because you didn't come on like you know peak time uh one weekend because you're to take care of your mom like that's fucking bullshit we have no mechanism of pushback we don't have mechanism of pushback in in the workplace and we don't have it in our political structure either and that's what i speak out against for the most part do you ever encourage people to just like try something else what do you mean like a different job yeah or i mean sure but yeah but there's going to be working for someone else and it's a shot in the dark because that period the

intermediary period where you don't have a job you don't have insurance the fuck you're supposed to do but you figured it out i know but i figured it out i know but that's survivor's bias like i know i i know i i figured it out but there are a million examples of us that didn't make it's true we just don't know about them because they're fucking probably homeless now you know what i mean like we just don't know which is another issue that i have i'm so fucking annoyed with the way that stupid liberals deal with homeless people it's really annoying but that's a longer conversation what about the homeless people here yeah it's really terrible we would California is rich as fuck we're like richer than nations yeah we should not have a single fucking person living

so but so why do you think that is then because that's like frustrating as fuck to me too because I'm like how much money I pay in taxes I'm like what the fuck are they doing this yeah yeah but listen the police department needs a fucking armored personnel carrier okay that's why they can't fucking deal with the homeless people it's not even just the police department though even though their budget is fat it's because of housing housing is seen as an investment vehicle in this country it's the primary way to generate wealth

and it is for a lot of people you could directly point back to housing as a method to literally stop black people from developing intergenerational wealth in this country through redlining for example so housing has always been the primary mechanism to like make wealth

generate wealth when that's the case people don't look at homes as shelter they look at homes as like another investment opportunity that's why we had 2008 the housing market crash um and we didn't learn from that at all and um i i don't look at housing as like a commodity i look at it as like a need and but other people don't see it that way and these are very powerful groups homeowners associations real sorry real estate developers and you know landlords across the board are very powerful in local politics and they don't want fucking housing they don't want to build more housing because if the inventory is limited then your house and the value of your house is always going to go up

and most people become homeless because they get priced out of the housing market it's not because they're lazy it's not because they're stupid it's not because they're fucking drug addicts immediately even though those people shouldn't be denied housing either because I think it's a human right just because they are like that or whatever but most people get to that point that you see on the street with the dude fucking grabbing his shit

and playing with it in the middle of the fucking street on the boulevard they get to that point after years and years of being brutalized by being out in the fucking elements even animals need a cave and you're a human being and you don't have any shelter whatsoever you know you're you're constantly getting attacked you're getting brutalized you have no

opportunities there's no way to like survive there's no way to get back and it becomes harder and harder to get back to like what you once you know could have been like a healthy person a productive member of society and then you lose your mind you try to self-medicate you start taking drugs to forget about it start selling drugs maybe you can make a little bit of money that way start stealing shit little shit here and there to make money to survive and then ultimately you become this fucking wreck and it becomes significantly harder to also recover from that condition to rehabilitate you from that condition and it all started because you just couldn't fucking pay rent because the area that you lived in for many many years when you were working a job is becoming more and

more expensive yeah and you have no other alternative uh you also don't have an adequate public transit system and in los angeles especially I still just don't understand how California has all this money And it's like it's still just a shit show Because moneyed interests are significantly more powerful If you've ever been to a European city You see how it's designed You see how it's structured and you're like

How the fuck don't we have this? We live like animals in America okay If you go to go to fucking Amsterdam You'll see it You'll be like what the fuck There's like trains that are running Literally like 24 7 There's parts of the city

That you can't even like drive a car in Which is unthinkable From an American perspective I mean, you're driving a fucking big-ass pickup truck that doesn't even fit in like 90% of the streets out there. They got buses, trams, trains, like, you know, there's public transit all day, every day. It's clean as fuck. That is huge. Would you, but would you ever live in a place like that or would you always stay in America?

I mean, I grew up, I grew up in Turkey, much poorer country, but Istanbul and Ankara, like, I grew up on public transit. You know what I mean? That's, yeah. I grew up with that. It was awesome. It's great. Fuck. It's just fucking, dude,

there's just too many potholes and fucking Woodland Hills and Calabasas. That too. That too. It's crazy. I just don't get how much, honestly, like the amount of money I know

that's funneled to do like taxes and just like it's always, it feels like it's just like more taxes, more taxes. And I'm thinking nothing's changing though. I don't see anything change. Yeah, what the fuck am I paying all this money for? I get it.

I understand. It is very frustrating. Where is it going? Why are we not seeing the results? It's because everyone's fucking corrupt. Yeah, that's, I mean, like, the thing I was saying earlier, that's why I get just so frustrated in general. I don't even really talk about all this political shit. It's just funny. Like, it's just funny to me because, like, that's what you do. Like, fucking every day

pretty much. Yeah, but I think, like, there's a reason why I have a fairly large audience or have a lot of people who are even on the right who say, like, yeah, I watch you to get a different perspective. Yeah. And that's because, like, I mean, I get the system is broken. You know what I mean? I'm not like, I'm not like unconditionally on the Democratic Party side. A shit on the them probably more than I shit on the Republicans because like they are supposed to be on the side of the fucking working class they claim that they are yeah and then do shit about it you know what I mean yeah I think that's what it is I I guess I tell it like it is in some ways and um yeah I you know my solutions are different than than the Democratic Party they like liberals want to just not look at the problem like liberals it sometimes feels like the Democratic Party is literally like oh you see a homeless person well that's kind of problematic that you like even recognize that they're homeless like you know what i mean like just let them eat trash like it's fine it's like no man that's not fine that's awful like what the fuck it's awful for him okay i'm not just saying like oh it's an eyesore you know eviscerate them

because like a lot of california lives are like that where they just like also are just as fucking brutal as like you know red state republicans would be where there's like get them out of here get them out of here i don't give a shit um i'm not like that but i want them to have shelter i want them to have a homeless a housing first uh you know rehabilitative policy that allows them to get help would you ever get actually into politics no fuck that this just so interesting it's just interesting because like it's for your answer to be that but like this is also kind of what you do it's no because they're all scumbags they're monsters i know awful dude are you kidding me no i mean i work with a lot of political organizations i work with a lot of labor unions um i work with a lot of political organizations i do a lot

fundraisers do a lot of charity but um when it comes down to it like no i would not run for it's awful yeah what would you do if you had if you had to stop twitch now what would you do oh and another question like what do you enjoy outside of all this shit nothing that's the problem yeah i don't enjoy shit like i just i like working out i watch anime yeah watch fucking tv shows what are you watching right now i'm watching one piece right i just finished white lotus that was pretty good um but it's not an anime though but uh as far as anime i'm watching one piece piece yeah that's a that's dedication yeah it requires a lot of time i um any video games you play right now yeah i mean i play a lot of video games i play valeran a lot really are you good at that

i'm all right i'm not i'm not i'm not terrible it's the movements of that the mechanics is so like yeah you never play his goal i was never big on that yeah never big on that you strike me as a as a console i yeah i grew up playing console i play a little fucking jock you're like a fucking yeah i was lit though yeah you're like oh cod yeah you were doing trick shots yeah call of duty fucking uh i really liked halo that was my that was my most fun i ever had i uh was like that too i went from i was a sweaty ass fucking gamer had like a 17 inch gateway fx laptop and then i got pussy for the first time i was like oh fuck the shit i'm out and then i started playing console games instead and then um when i got back on twitch i started playing

desktop games again and you know yeah that's how it is no more women you got to you got to swear off women if you want to be good bro yeah for real for gaming for sure you want to be good at gaming no more women i mean shit even like i feel like twitch i was talking we i was on i did the full sent pot with kai um and we were talking about like just grinding to get to that point to be able to be at the point where he's at as a streamer um and like just not not i don't think he's like saying i'm not involving myself with any women but like the minute he kind of was deciding like I'm not going to try to pursue this or put my energy towards this

and put it all towards streaming and growing this. Yeah, it's a full-blown. It's a 24-7 thing. That's your life now, for sure. If you want to be good at it, you've got to put in a lot of hours. Most people at the top are doing that.

You know what I mean? Most people at the tippy top of the fucking platform are putting like 8 to 10 hours. So who is at the top? Who are the number like, what's like the top 10 right now? I think it's like Felix, XUC.

Yeah, of course. who is like the gamer i mean he's like he embodies like the fucking 14 year old adderall kid like you know what i mean um i love him he's great uh you have asman gold who was like the older gamer plays wow um he also embodies the sweaty gamer on the other side yeah you got like a lot of the uh we call the w community you got kai senat and uh you know the amp boys they're blowing up now and they're flying up now and they're fucking dope they're they're they're sick they're really good entertainers they're they're pretty big you got me yeah i guess in my own little corner i'm in a unique space because i routinely

talk about politics yeah i mean i do other stuff too i play games i talk about like drama culture or shit like that yeah i guess who else i don't really know i mean i guess that's it and then you have the international community and that's like a whole different thing yeah you know eby and what advice do you give to some kids who like want to do twitch like what would don't do it yeah It's not for everybody. It's just not. It's not for everyone. You have to be really fucking lucky.

But if you're like, you have your heart set on it. You have to network. You have to network a lot because you're not like, you're not getting discovered. You know what I mean? It's super, super, super hard to get discovered. Like through the platform itself. Yeah. You have to get discovered outside of the platform if you want.

And plenty of people don't. Or some people do get like their one moment, but they don't, they can't. capitalize on it, you know what I mean? Right. But if you do actually get discovered and you see growth, okay, then seize on that opportunity if you're truly, truly interested and, you know, work really fucking hard. Yeah, you can't stop. I think once you get it.

Yeah, I never did. Like I, if you look at my hours, like, since I started streaming full time, I've taken like 10 days off. Yeah, it's insane, bro. So you don't travel, you don't go like. I do. But like, I travel and then I film when I'm traveling. I do IRL streams.

Or I have a process like. I have like a like a setup that I can do from a laptop you know what I mean okay so I do that in hotel rooms and and also do like I combine it I'll do like an IRL stream on a backpack and then I'll go to my hotel room and do like a regular desktop stream after that oh interesting but like that kind of sucks like I'll be honest but I also don't know what else to do like it's it's what I like doing yeah I get it I understand that I feel you know I feel purposeless if I'm somewhere and I'm not making content if i'm not filming yeah i agree well i agree so okay i got a question you on that because i'm 33 and i'm like really i'm eager to have a family right you don't think about that at all i know

obviously not going to get into details about dating and not really so you're just like no care if it happens it happens that's so i go about it for the most part yeah do you see easy just not inside of someone yeah oh stop and then you have family that's how it was i i feel like it's but yeah of course it is that easy but now it's way more complicated way more complicated don't get baby trap now yeah exactly you're gonna watch out it's like but that's what i'm saying how can you give time to someone that you know you want to spend time with enough to be like okay this is the one that i would be comfortable doing that with right you don't even have time to do that i'm like your schedule is insane to me i mean you can you can you can have time you can definitely make time for someone it's good to like it's

good if also they're busy too though you know what i mean if they're like also in their own in their own field or they're they're also independently successful like you just got a some people in in my side of the world like they make it work with normies they make it work with people that just like have like a regular nine to five i don't know how the fuck they do that but it's been very successful they are able to do that i i have done both and i think that it's like uh you know there's there's positives to both dating like a civilian and also dating someone who's in it who gets it so yeah who's in the stink of it all yeah but ultimately you know you just got to it's the same as being a relationship in any other capacity you just have to have mutual respect and and self-assurance

and allow them to do their own thing and then you do your own thing and that's it you know yeah fair so sorry so i guess i mean shit i've i've fucking i've struggled with it because for so long i spent so much time focused on doing the stuff that I had to do to get these like things to build this stuff and I didn't spend as much time on like personal actual development to be able to have a very solid relationship because I was so focused on business development and I feel that that's not good yeah well you got to work on yourself like a muscle yeah that's that's where the problem is a lot of people a lot of people think like uh relationships are are almost like external in the same way that like working out is because you're like if I do

this many reps at this weight and you write it down and then I fucking try to hit a larger you know hit you know try to get it up to fucking 10 and then next week I'll be able to do 11 or 12 and then eventually put the weight up more you know like if you're if you're thinking about like relationships in that same way where you're like you have checkpoints you're like I'm going to find a girl she's going to have these qualities and if she has all these qualities and that's good and then we're going to get in a relationship and then eventually we're going to move in together and then eventually like maybe you know I pop the question like it's not like that at all in my opinion for me everyone's different i i go way more off of vibes on that field than anything

else because um you know there are still certain qualities i look for in a partner but ultimately i do i just kind of let it uh i just kind of let it ride i guess yeah leave it the fade a little bit and um and part of the reason why i can do that i think is because like i have the confidence in the self-assurance in myself that like i don't even think about it i'm like if i want to date someone i can easily date someone if i want to and if the right person comes along i'll do it um and when i'm single i'm fine i'm just having fun you know what i mean yeah that's the way i approach it okay besides all that stuff um i guess like it's just so funny i'm trying to ask you like what would you what would you what do you think you'd ever be doing after twitch because it sounds like you have never even

thought of that you don't even think about you just think you're going to do this forever i don't even think about it because like I yeah I mean maybe it's bad I hope it's not bad I mean but what is bad you know maybe it's bad that I'm like not you know figuring out like an exit plan or something because I know that like there's a limit to this right but I love being in front of a large audience and being able to entertain them and being able to change people's perspectives okay to that point I guess I would just do that but I guess the reason why I ask like Twitch specifically right like let's say you're 40 do you think that the audience demographic on Twitch is going to be like, oh, I want to fuck with this

40 year old. I'm not saying that you can. I'm not saying it's not possible. But that's what I'm saying, like the evolution of that where it's just like the people using the platform now that are going to be your audience just may be like too too far disconnected age wise. Yeah, I think that will inevitably happen. Yeah. Um, but you know, you just got to, you just got to keep going and my audience will probably get older with me as well. Are there other platforms you would move to? Are there other, like, I mean, because obviously the podcast stuff. I have a pretty big YouTube presence. I have a podcast. Um, maybe I would turn to traditional media at a certain point in my life potentially. But for the time being, I don't see that for the next like 10 years.

I don't see that happening. What I always wanted and what I still want is to be able to turn my Twitch into like something that is competitive in the same exact way that my operation works right now. just, you know, serve a larger audience. And I think that's possible. You say competitive, like, meaning, like, you know, numbers akin to CNN ratings. Got it. You know? Yeah.

I want that. Because, like, right now, I get 30 to 40,000 concurrent viewers. I think, like, from a ratings, like a TV ratings point, that's like, like, a TV show with 100 to 200,000, maybe 300,000 viewers, like, depending on how they do ratings. Yeah. that's massive that that's that's that's a pretty big TV show yeah and I do that for 10 hours right but I want to get to like 100,000 200,000 300,000 viewers what do you think what do you think would take for you to get there because like to more charitability more people being charitable to what I have to say I think that's a big part of it instead of immediately

being like oh that guy's a fucking commie fuck that guy I hate him or that's how I felt about you when I first I was like this guy's fucking shit about me yeah this guy's a fucking commie and he drives a Porsche fuck that guy commie doesn't means you're supposed to be fucking poor bitch why aren't you poor you know that's like that's like 98% of people that immediately hear about me and I'm like whatever I like nice

things bitch I want you to have them too yeah you know but that's it you have a Porsche I do I have a take in oh nice yeah I was gonna get one it's a good car have you ever have you ever had a Porsche no but that's actually the car I was gonna buy you should have bought it yeah your big boy is hard to fit in the fucking

9-11s yeah I tried that can't finish it's really nice like I'm not like I didn't get it because it's a EV even though I was very that's why I was by it I was very intrigued by it like I think it's it's it is dope having an EV is fucking sick yeah don't go to the gas station just fucking fuel it at home charge it at home and and also the zero 60 is stupid yeah but I think Porsches are beautiful driving machines yeah like it is a treat to drive And I never gave a fuck about cars. Like I had a lot of money and I was still driving my 2010 Camry, my Toyota Camry. And that thing, I still have it.

I still drive it. Yeah. You know, when my friends and family are like, oh, I want to drive the portion. I'm like, yeah, sure take it. And I'll drive the Camry around. But like, and it still works. But I was like, I have all this money. Like, I use this car all the time to go to places.

I might as well get like a nice car. You know what I mean? See how it feels. I'm 31. Like I'm not going to be able to, if I get it when I'm 50, people are going to be like, this guy's fucking, look at this old asshole. Yeah. He's just trying to live his like glory days.

I'm like, I'm young right now. I'm still young. Yeah. Why don't I just buy it like a nice car? Yeah, I get you. I got to buy a nice car. Natalie, we got to get it. I got a fucking.

You got a fucking. Yeah. I've had that shit for like, I've had that shit for like fucking, I don't know how many years now. 2017. I love Raptor. I love it. I love it. And I had like different cars prior to that.

Yeah. But I just, I totally just got out of giving a fuck at all. Like I just kept the same truck. Not that it's not a nice truck. Very nice truck. Yeah. No, but I know what you mean.

But like, but like that's why I had the Toyota because I was like, I don't go fuck. It still works. What am I going to do? Who gives the shit? I think there were a couple instances that was like, that truly made me get a,

want to get a new car though. I used to use it as a filter because I always thought like if someone really gives a fuck about my car, then I don't want to be with them anyway. Oh, that's interesting. So I always thought that that was like a good filter if I like pick someone up on a date, you know what I mean? And they're like, ew, this is your fucking car.

It's like, all right, well, you know, I'll fuck yourself. I jotted that down. Yeah, yeah. I remember going to this event that I was one of the hosts on. Like I was like a welcomed guest that I was supposed to do this like live stream thing. And I pulled up to the parking lot and the, and the dude stopped me. And he's like, no, no, no, you can't park in here. I'm like, no, no, I'm one of the hosts.

Like I'm one of the talent. And he's like, no, this. the talent parking lot and he didn't understand like no no i'm the talent he's like what just because you're a car dude it was it's a busted car it's a it's an old-ass toyota it's like a 2010 Toyota yeah and and you know that was my first that's the first time i was like damn like maybe i need a new car fun and you know my friends would make fun of me all the time too and people would constantly get in my car because they think it's an uber yeah like whenever i pull up to like a venue people would get in the car i'm like no this is my car stop fuck off yeah

or like valet would never come up when i want to park valet so you know i had to handle that problem it wasn't that big of a deal but you know it's mostly for fun yeah that's why i got it what are what are some of like do you have like one of the most enjoyable moments or what is the most memorable moment you've had while like streaming just in all your years of doing it is there something that sticks out probably the aOC among us thing like i put that shit together that was I don't even know how the hell that happened I don't know if you're familiar with this but the game

yeah I set up this like lobby for among us between like me AOC Ilhan Omar and like a bunch of streamers and that was huge it was like one of the it was like one of the first like massive moments

that got like so much media coverage to like a politician's playing a video game with some of the biggest like stars on the internet that was definitely a memorable moment 22 in election was a memorable moment I would say January 6 was another memorable moment

where I had 257,000 people watching Whoa What the fuck? Yeah, it was crazy It was like what were you covering Like just a January 6th Yeah yeah Like in real time

That's that's insane Like you know 250,000 people It's fucking nuts Because like at this point I feel like I am like The guy you go to If you're under the age of 35 And some shit's happening

you're like what the fuck is that about that's where you go you you come click on my stream regardless of your political persuasion if you're at least a little interested in politics or news you are not so I doubt that you're not I just like Elon Musk dude exactly that's why you like Elon Musk is sick yeah I love Joel he's so he's like no no I don't even like I mean whatever he's just like he's so like like such a petulant like whining fucking thin-skinned baby who wants he wants people's admiration so bad I'm like bro do what Richard Brantz is doing

that motherfucker's on a no clothing allowed island with like every model you know just having orgies or whatever ethical ones I think allegedly you know not like a little St. James but like nobody talks about him nobody talks about him because he's a billionaire he's just fucking full head of hair looks kind of good for his age you know what I mean he's just having fun you can be that way too same with fucking Warren Buffett

I'm sure he enjoys couponing or whatever the fuck he does that dude's weird but like Elon Musk has to be the meme guy he has to be the Reddit guy and it's just like that level of like

attention seeking you're a content creator you don't see that you don't like you don't find that to be like grimy I think it's hilarious that's why I like side towards the comedy shit of it

I read a lot of his shit and I'm like this is funny but he's like he's so he's not a troll in the unique, interesting or new way. That's what's offensive to me. Because I troll a lot.

I fucking love saying shit that pisses people off. I'm a big fan. Sometimes I get death threats for it. But you think he's a troll in like regurgitation of like already existing trolly stuff. He's not a good troll.

He's not redefining the genre at all. He's not putting up any new, anything new that I haven't seen. I guess the reason why I like it personally is because he has so much power and wealth and he's that guy that he's but he does it still yeah that's what i appreciate about it that's that's that's his schick yeah he's like oh he's just like me but he's like but he's not and he is desperately trying to appear that way when he's not like the the twitter purchase is a perfect

example of this because like he said he was going to buy it he thought he could troll his way into like you know giving a really high fucking number for twitter and then the delaware courts were like no motherfucker you have to buy it now like you signed the dotted line Because people still maintain this position that like Elon Musk bought Twitter for one reason or the other He didn't want to buy Twitter He went to court to not buy Twitter He lost the court case He lost the lawsuit

So he was forced to buying Twitter factually Yeah 100% yeah and yet but that's marketing You didn't even fucking think about that You don't even think about that when you when you think about Elon Musk He got owned he was forced to buy Twitter And every single action he's taken since then has just been like fuck it like if I had to buy this shit then fuck it I'm just gonna take it all down with me

and now his Tesla stocks are fucking tanking his Tesla stock is crashing investors are literally like bro stop fucking tweeting because he's alienating his main fan base of Tesla enjoyers which are rich liberals by behaving this way by being like

fire Fauci are my pronouns or whatever which is like it's so low level trolling like oh it shows great but see that's what I'm saying come on why are you you're a content creator you should demand more like you should you should be a you should be the fucking gourmet at like i think because i think because for so long on twitter it was the opposite it was just all the opposite it was like anything you said

against any of that stuff was just like misinformation misinformation everything was opposite it was funny he's saying a lot of misinformation it keeps getting clapped on his own platform but but like i don't i don't mind trolling like trump did such a good job of fucking trolling like he was funny like at least he he had his good moments you know what i mean um Elon does not have that pizzazz he does not have that charisma he doesn't have that stage presence you know and he desperately wants it and yeah and that's what like i see that kind of similar to andrew tate i see that and i'm like ugh like how did how does no one else see this like what do you think's going to happen with twitter genuinely because i think it's gotten better bro

i think he's going to fizzle out eventually really yeah i think like right now the well first of all do you are you familiar with what happened today because every day there's a new thing the what so he like so there was the doxing saga right which was yeah that wasn't fucking doxing but like he also took down like reporters that were covering the story like he falsely claimed it was doxing then he took down reporters that were covering the story and everyone was like what the fuck you can't do that that's crazy and then he was like no I can and then and then like everyone was like that's a redacted ridiculous like you're you can't give the game away as a fucking billionaire you can't literally be like

this is my toy i'm breaking it if you don't want to i don't want to play with you anymore you can't do that because like then you know you and regulations are going to fucking come in and governments are going to be like no actually you can't do that there's antitrust laws uh or there's like certain protocols that you need to abide by so he did that he saw a lot of people also recognizing that he was being like a petulant little man child like an entitled kid the rich kid at the fucking playground was like i'm taking my ball and i'm leaving like he literally did that and um you're talking about because of his actions of banning the people yeah yeah he was like oh well i can ban him because they're doxing me and then people were like no that's not i mean a lot

of people were like you're right they are doxing you like yourself and then plenty more people were literally saying well that's not doxing everyone's fucking flight everyone's flights are public bro you just want your private jet to be private on top of that like you want special privileges for your private jet special privileges that like jeff bezos doesn't even fucking have you know what i mean like that's crazy um but like jeff elan you know it's like i mean fuck jeff basil he's my boss but like even though i think arguably he looks better than he almost does damn we're doing like a physique breakdown on him he decided he decided fuck the fuck the hair he was like nah fuck it i'm bald and he went he went yacked yeah he definitely he's definitely on gear yes 100% definitely

100% his face is so busted too he's so fucked up he looks like a mutated demon he's like he's like he's got Sylvester Stallone face bro he's definitely at his age it's crazy anyway yes please don't fire me mr. Bezos I love you um but yeah fucking he did that shit people got mad at him and then he was like because he's so desperate for attention he can't even be like the petty tyrant without like trying to win like buy for the affection of everyone for the masses so he tweeted like should I unband the people even though they doxed me and then he put like a poll up and everyone was like yes unband them now like that was winning so then he was like oh fuck uh this poll had too many options

i saw and then he did another twitter poll where he was like should i unband these people even though they want to wish harm to my children and myself and you know they want to kill me and then people still were like yeah you you should unband them actually so then he unbanned them and then today he kept banning some other people he banned Taylor Lawrence who was a very controversial journalist for many people I know I know her personally I think she's fine I don't know why

I mean I get why people fucking hate her though she does a lot of good reporting pisses a lot of right wing people off she banned Taylor Lawrence for no reason this is a Wapo journalist you know what I mean Taylor literally deletes all of her tweets so for this reason so she's never in violation of like

any Twitter rules or anything like that she still got banned And everyone was like, why the fuck did you ban this person who privated their account, who doesn't even fucking have like any of their tweets? And he just came up with a bullshit reason. And then on top of that said, you can no longer link your Instagram on your Twitter. I saw that. You can no longer link your mastodon, your fucking truth social. Link tree.

Yeah. You can no longer be linked to. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? That's like not the internet. You're doing the opposite of what the internet is supposed to be doing. I saw something about it. He was saying how like you can't, it can't be like done a ton or some shit. but I don't understand that I don't understand that that's bullshit

well that's what I'm saying I don't understand I mean I'm being honest like I'm like I'm like okay this because the other platforms do essentially like for example if I go on Instagram and I and I put like follow my Snapchat my shit it's like they're down regulating the fuck out of that like it's not going to get the engagement it could or if I link out to like a sale on like a raw gear or some shit if I link out to YouTube it's going to get way less views yeah so other platforms do that I guess what I was starting to understand like I saw his reasoning and it was like but no one bans you for it because Twitter does it too to a certain degree but they never ban you for it that's

insane yeah and saying that like you're we're trapping you into this website we don't want you to go anywhere else like that's insane you can't fucking do that so people got pissed off at that so then he tweeted again uh he tweeted another poll where he was like I'm sorry going forward I'm never going to do anything without asking people in a democratic fashion ever again and then he immediately tweeted out a poll. It's literally just him going, do you like me? Yes or no? You know what I mean? Do you want me to die? Yes or no? He's like a fucking 14 year

old kid. He's literally, he tweeted a poll where it was like, should I step down from Twitter? Yeah, I saw that. Yes or no. And it's fucking yes. Everyone's saying yes. You're dealing with trolls like 90% of the time. That's the whole platform. Twitter is beautiful because you can tell

a rich motherfucker like myself sometimes to kill himself. That's what people use the platform for. You have to be fucking mentally ill to use the platform. I know because I'm mentally ill and I use the platform all the fucking time. I love the platform. Yeah, I love it too. I love that shit.

There's nothing more rewarding than fucking getting, getting the pitchworks out and like making a rich fucking asshole feel like shit. Okay. It makes you feel good. And I've been on the receiving end of that shit, non-fucking stop. And I still maintain the position that it feels fucking good to own someone like that. You're like, fuck yeah. their life is still going to be awesome regardless you know great so was my life uh but like it feels good it feels rewarding that's the whole purpose of the fucking platform and this dumb ass is out there

being the main rich asshole uh trying to desperately be like please like me please like me some of the polls i'm like i don't understand i mean but i feel like i feel like he's just fucking with people at this point no he he is so fucking but what if because like i post shit losing his mind i post shit sometimes and I'm like laughing to myself. You don't think he's just like, you don't think he's laughing? You like it and you laugh when it hits in your target audience.

When it goes beyond your target audience and people start owning you, then you're like, oh, fuck, this sucks, kind of. I've been on both ends. I see what you're saying. And he's been getting obliterated. Like the entire platform

has been like screaming at him and the people that are in his pocket, the people that are like fighting for him as dick riders are getting smaller and smaller as days go by. Like even people, in like Silicon Valley that like you know proselytize for Elon that like deified him like he's losing a lot of people he one of the fucking guys from like uh one of his like main tech like supporters

from the jump earlier today tweeted like I don't know what's going on with this platform but here's my link tree you know like one of this was like a tech guy forget his name Peter something um who was like been an avid supporter of Elon going to Twitter from the jump he got banned because he posted his fucking link tree like he's like losing people with the yeah that one I really don't understand he's losing people with these actions and that's what happens

when that's what happens to all sometimes brilliant and talented men that develop a close circle of yes men if you can't have people that push back on your mania on your dumb shit you're you're not going to thrive

you're not going to succeed so many greats so many goats have turned into fucking a shell of what they once were whether it be Dave Chappelle in my opinion who I like idolized you know who I thought was Dave Chappelle I think he's also unfortunately like I still I still love Dave Chappelle like I can't let go of his like old

material but I think like The Chappelle show? No that's what I'm saying God no he's brilliant like his fuck the Chappelle show his stand up was incredible like and there's still so many really good bits in there but like he's he's ultimately become like an old man who who does not like any kind of pushback whatsoever where and he just like can't respond to that in a you can't respond to any kind of criticism with like uh with with with the maturity that

someone who is self-assured would normally respond and I know that I get criticized all the fucking time oftentimes we're dumb shit you know yeah and I pop off sometimes too in my weak moments. But like, you know, you just got to snap out of it and get back into pocket and do what you're good at. You've got to fucking go back into what you're good at. Right. You can't stay in there. You can't constantly stay duking it out. If you do that, if you're constantly fucking engaging with people, engaging with people who do not want to, who do not want to see you succeed in any meaningful way, even if you're in the wrong. And I think Dave Chappelle is in the wrong for like a lot of the transphobic stuff um even though he has like some funny bits uh even

in regards to the trans experience which you can make fun of in a funny way but i don't think dave was doing that um he just he's like too stuck on that he's you weren't watching the special you weren't no of course i i was okay okay no i don't know one of those fucking people who's like oh my god i can't watch it i'm it doesn't impact me personally like even if i don't like it I guess to watch it without it being, like, truly damaging to me. Do you think, do you think I'm really curious now? Do you think people, though, have grown too sensitive just in general? I think everyone's sensitive.

Everyone's always sensitive. It's not like a left or right thing, though. It's just like right. No, no, I'm fucking sensitive. I think everyone's super sensitive. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I wish people would like shut the fuck up a little bit and like let people enjoy things more.

I say that all the fucking time. And I think people make the impact of the content we consume far greater than it actually is. But that also comes from a place of powerlessness You care about some fucking random TV show And it's cast members Or like what the random TV shows episode said Because you understand that like

Changing the system is literally almost impossible You're like you're looking at the system You see that like systemic racism exists Okay, you experience it every fucking day You know it down to your fucking core And the individual action is also a company That systemic attitude because everyone is socially conditioned into believing these things.

So that sucks. The individual actions of other people around you? Yeah, individual actions of other people around you. Like the way you're perceived by others. You know what I mean? Like all that stuff is learned behavior. Okay? You just learn it.

And we are all products of this system. We are not above propaganda and we are not above like, you know, the things that we learn from our parents or things that we learned in textbooks, the things that we saw over and over again reinforced. Like it takes a long time to, and, I'll use an Andrew Tate reference here to truly be above the matrix because that motherfucker is definitely not trying to escape the matrix, okay? But it does take, it does take a lot of hard work to like, you know, reconstruct and try to understand how society should operate, how society should work.

But having said all that, you see how, you see how powerless you are to make this change, right? Because like, what the fuck? Do you think the Democrats give us? shit about black people? Fuck no. They're going to like wear the kente cloth and kneel and be like, oh my God, George Floyd, we love you. Uh, you know, sorry you died. And then they're going to give money to the fucking police departments and run on giving more money to the police departments and not actually like making sure that these fucking pieces of shit actually like, you know,

are held accountable every now and then. Uh, like the ones that are really bad I'm talking about. Like not all cops. Sure. But we don't do that. And, and you see how powerless you are in the face of all of this so where do you turn your crossairs on to content an area that you can like kind of make change in it's not meaningful in the grand scheme of things but ultimately there is a little bit of change there so it makes you feel good like you did something and that's what i think a lot of people do uh that's why i think a lot of people also like wear what kind of fucking content that they're watching or what they're consuming on their on their sleeves like as though it like says something about you oh you like that tv show well i like this tv

show and that says a lot about me and and that again that is and i mean if you want to learn more about this grom she talks about this a lot but that comes from a place of powerlessness we have no way of like changing the material the underlying material conditions so we try to like shift culture thinking that shifting culture a little bit is going to genuinely move the material conditions not realizing that the material conditions are the reason why culture is the way it is um that's how it works for the most part we live in a white supremacist society there has white supremacist fundamentals our founding fathers own slaves you know what i mean it's just that is the truth and they were not exactly too fond of like letting black people vote or have a say in the

process that's pretty impactful you know what i mean it was a driving force in the economy for hundreds of years that's pretty impactful there was a lot of remnants of that attitude that's still baked into our system sure we abolish slavery sure you know we the civil rights movement but there's still plenty of scars that have not healed and plenty of material restitution that has not been afforded to people in this society that's just one aspect by the way there's a million different things we can talk about yeah but like that's part of the reason why people are like oh that shit sucks I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to make sure that like you know at least there's like a more diversity in the TV shows and if there

isn't or like someone says something like that's stupid and and sometimes race is like I'm get fucking super mad at that and I'm going to make sure that that person is punished so you think the sensitivity is spawned out of the fact that people feel helpless yes that's where it comes from because because you can get capitalist corporations that respond so so back to the think up enough stink around an issue yeah yeah so back to the thing I was yeah I get that because then they had they're kind of forced to make some sort of change Walmart will throw up the black fist to say black lives matter and then still buy police cruisers for every fucking town that they work in you know what I mean But police cruisers don't necessarily mean that they're against black lives.

No, but Black Lives Matter is quite literally about like making sure that police forces are accountable across the board in this country, an accountability that has not happened, an accountability that is a necessary thing. And by the way, this doesn't mean that like in BLM protesters or BLM leaders, not the ones that you see on television or not the organization, of course. I'm talking about like actual black people on the streets. Like they'll tell you cops that kill black people willy-nilly. will also you know they kill white people too they kill more white people than they kill black people right like and if a cop is willing to kill a black person a poor black person they're definitely willing to kill a poor white person they're definitely willing to kill a black person you know what i mean they get that so that's why it's like it's about police accountability across the board it's not just for

black people it's never been about that it's just that it's uh it's disproportionately targeting black communities in the way the policing works and that devastating outcome yeah so back what i was saying to earlier i mean kind of in response to this like what do you think is the way that this actually gets fixed then like to not desensitize people obviously that's not the point like to get people to be less sensitive or to get people to feel like there's a different way that it can actually make change because how does the change actually happen just from like more conversation because the problem is like the conversation is just it's just causing more friction i don't think conversation in and of itself is going to change it. I think like I think it's it's slowly but surely engaging a community

organizing and and creating like creating both organizations within the system and outside of the system to to to help people in your immediate circles. Yeah. And also ultimately create a network where you can demand change and actually have the backing, the backing of the people um to be able to make this kind of change i don't think we'll ever be able to like change the system with a top down solution by like getting bernie sanders in the office i don't think that's going to happen yeah and because there's no way someone like bernie sanders just never going to be able to be president in the current way that the structure is is designed like the media would never let that happen they called that old man who's like spent his entire life

fucking fighting for you know women's rights fighting for black people who got arrested uh during the civil rights movement back in the they called them fucking racist you know what i mean like that shit's crazy like yeah and and it doesn't matter it's just you know we're all so susceptible to propaganda we are not above no one is above uh propaganda and we don't recognize that yeah that's the worst part in all this though to me is just the the echo chambers that just created created through like algorithms and like even now just on social like how it's just so like you watch more this you get more of this you believe just more of the same yeah exactly and it feeds you that same shit which is why going back to andrew tate i thought it was really funny when ticot was like

responsible for his fame and also responsible for like way worse shit on that platform than what andrew tate has said and we'll say they were like oh we did it yeah we did it we defeated misogyny like get the fuck out of here dude yeah there's a lot of it's that that's the thing when i i think during all that time like obviously there's there's shit that has said that was fucked but it's like there's so much other shit on that platform and just social media in general that's like it's also fucked it's terrible yeah no and and the worst is like the algorithm the structure of ticot and all these other holy fuck we've been talking for like eight hours i didn't know my bad what the fuck yeah i can just keep going my bad we could i got a message

an hour ago for for dinner dude my bad no it's all good it's fine well we'll wrap it up but let's this last thought on the tape um there is uh yeah we were talking about the algorithms the structure and the algorithms that like are are created so you spend more time on the platform are also breaking our fucking brains yeah in in like really significant ways i think not like real time yeah it's really i mean here i i'll say it like this look i would come i people who criticize me for this take i like china more than the average american person i love high speed rail i think that's fucking dope okay but having said that TikTok is a Chinese app stealing a lot of a you know spy words stealing a lot of information everyone's really upset about it you know TikTok's breaking people's

brains okay well they have it in China they have a Chinese TikTok it's yeah yeah completely different those motherfuckers the children don't get to watch TikTok in China so why is it the Chinese app is very different in in America but the same version of the app in China is like, you know, forcing you to watch museum videos. Yeah. What's that about? Yeah. I'm just saying maybe we should change the way that our apps work a little bit.

Or maybe we should change the way social media works a little bit. Because like that control is always going to be there. You can either control it in a way that like creates more positive engagement, positive interactions and and, you know, better experiences. Yeah. Or you can, you know, not control it and have someone else feed. your children poison yeah it's fucking it's insane man because i know that to be true as well but let's get let's get out here i know you i know you had some shit you had to do i appreciate

you coming on sincerely and uh yeah man i'm i'm impressed by just the fact that you're able to continue doing this shit your audience's gonna fucking hate this episode i feel like i don't care i'm just letting you know listen all i all i asked for is is is charitability you know what i mean you might have heard a lot of stuff uh on the internet and you know how it is it's just uh people want to put you in a category that is like easily definable so then you are like easily defeated they're like oh yeah well that guy he's socialist but he's rich i mean yeah i mean here's the thing man like look i can't even sit here and say i agree with all your takes and everything you've said i mean even shit you've said about me but like i wouldn't be the person that i want to be if i didn't

sit and have conversations with other people who didn't necessarily align and with exactly what i believe that would i wouldn't the thing we're talking about trying to create a place where it's like things could actually progress and get better would never happen if people weren't able to even do this kind of stuff yeah I just wouldn't I mean I talk to people I disagree all the time too yeah I think it's normal and healthy to something I tell my something I tell my audience all the time is like it's fine to fucking not always agree even with your friends like please holy shit be normal you know your politics even though politics This is a structure changes our lives dramatically.

Yeah. And truly impacts our lives. And I know I have a lot of privilege. So, like, for me to say this is a little bit different than, like, I don't know, a trans person with a transphobic individual. I'm not saying, like, be friends with transphobic people. But politics defines our lives in very meaningful ways and it's impossible to escape it. It's just, you know, fucking potholes that you were talking about as politics. Yeah.

The way that our taxes are distributed as politics. but having said that when you're making like normal you know when you're developing normal relationships with people um you should still try to be as charitable as possible in the real world when you're having a conversation with humans because ultimately like you could probably get people to understand your position a little bit better by just you know taking the time out and describing it without immediately being combative yeah you know I know you can't do that in like a debate structure and I don't like debates anyway for that reason but you definitely can um you know make better arguments and and truly get people to see your side of things

um as long as you maintain that charitability and you're open-minded yeah and want to talk to people that have different opinions all about perspective and being willing to just see someone else's because like that's there's no one right way yeah that's all it comes down to but i appreciate you coming man genuinely thanks for having the time you you're fucking you keep crushing it if you ever need me any need help whatever i'm we're happy we'll have you on the pod i don't talk about politics on my podcast but you know we'll have you on the podcast uh soon hopefully i appreciate you coming man uh thank you guys subscribe to the channel uh we're on itunes spotify drop a good review all that good stuff drop a like and uh yeah man thank you so much yeah thanks for having me

you can find me at twitch dot tv slash hasanabi every day that's where i'm live at and you got you got instagram is son d piker twitter at as long as i don't get banned you You're on Snapchat, you don't really use that actively. No, I don't use Snapchat. I deleted it actually. Yo, it's crazy. They're like monetizing it now, like heavily. I don't know, yeah.

You wouldn't do it? I just don't have time. Yeah, that's fair. I'm on TikTok too, but, you know, I have an editor deal with that instead. No, I get you. Cool. All right on, man. So, we're out of here.

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