RAWTALK - How An Atheist Turned Christian...

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad & Sal link up again after 6 years & talk Fitness, Supplements, Psychedelics, & his Spiritual Journey that lead him to Christ!

So as a young man, I was an atheist because the world evidence to me was like, oh, there's no magic. It's all science and what's in front of your face. It's the physical world. So I was always searching. So that's how it started. And then I eventually became agnostic because I realized how arrogant I was. Like, I'm pretty damn arrogant to say there is no God absolutely. And then about seven years ago, we interviewed Bishop Barron.

And that interview was real questions for me. Although I didn't realize what was happening, I was being pulled. So anyway, for seven years, continuing to search, continue to dabble, meet Arthur Brooks, good friend of mine now, and that pulled me closer. Went through some struggles, personal struggles with my marriage and did the ketamine therapy. You know, I just kept kind of moving in that direction. But I never really took the leap of like faith. God is real. Jesus was real. He did this for us. Never did that. And then I had a fucking crazy experience. Wild, bro.

Well, so when was the last time we did a podcast? It was six years ago? Six years ago. Long time. It was a long time. Yeah, it was in the studio was in the gym. Yeah, we did a little, I mean, we did a little mobile setup in the back by the, yeah, exactly.

That's exactly. Yeah. It's good to see, I mean, I like seeing, because at that time, you weren't really going hard with the podcast. No, I was still going hard with just. content yeah yeah yeah and uh it's good to see now you're just doing great crushing yeah the podcast stuff i felt like it was always kind of a part of what i did like obviously the fitness stuff was like yeah the main thing that i like brought people in but the video's always ended up me just talking

so i was like made sense so when i got into podcast and i was like oh i've been doing this yeah forever there's longevity in it too because it's uh it's what you know it's not necessarily how you look or i mean you're still young yeah but you know you in fitness always doing you know Being able to create content based off how you look. I could imagine how that would get far as you keep getting older. Oh, yeah. But your knowledge is going to keep getting better. Yeah.

You know. So it's podcasting is like, it's my favorite thing to do. Really? Yeah, hands down. I could tell. I remember when we did it first, I loved it. We had a great conversation. We did.

We did. Life, all kinds of shit. Yeah, I love it. How has your show progressed? Oh, it's, I mean, we talk, fitness is our expertise. You know, myself and my co-hosts, we were trainers and gym owners for decades, right? Right. And so that's what you hear. That's our main value. But what we also communicate is just life stuff. So we're all dads. We're all fathers. We talk about raising kids, having family. Talk about current events. We have a good time when, you know, there's some entertainment in that, which we learned as trainers. You know, if you want to be a good trainer, you got to learn how to people have to enjoy being around you. Otherwise, you're not going to be very effective. You can't just train them. I remember that those days. And so that's been the show ever since. And so now we're sitting at nine years later, we were.

past a quarter billion total downloads over 250 fucking dope yeah it's wild it's wild and i never thought i'd be in like you know media or whatever i just i just like talking about this stuff you know yeah why did you why did you originally decide to get into it we it's i mean a long story but at the time i owned a studio uh for personal training and and wellness and um i had created a fitness program with with uh at the time a client of mine who's now my our producer and And he said, you know, we got to, if you ever want to sell something online, I know a little bit about online marketing. And that's kind of how that started.

And at that time, I had known of my co-host now, my partner, one of my other business partners, Adam Schaefer, because when we were coming up in the gym industry, in our company we worked when at the time, 24th Fitness was back in the late 90s or 2000s. I know. So crazy. We were like top producers, right?

So I knew of Adam because he was like one of the guys that crushed it. I crushed it. And I had saw him again on Facebook through something unrelated. And I had created like the sales material, marketing material for it. And I said, you know, let me ask him his opinion. So I sent him over the marketing material for, you know, Maps Anabolic. That's the first program that I created. And he called me up.

He's like, bro, we got to meet. He's like, we got to meet because this is great. So we sat down and him, him, myself, Justin, who's our other co-hosts. talked for like four hours just talked about the fitness industry what we want to do and we're like we gotta make the podcast we gotta do this on a podcast this was nine years ago nine years ago podcasting is it wasn't what it is now

not even fucking close not even close there were still people who were like what's a podcast but we like the medium because it's long form and you know you know this man communicating fat loss sounds simple but when you're working with everyday people not fitness fanatics easy fitness fanatics easy You know, you tell me what to do, I'll do it, no problem.

But you talk to Mrs. Johnson about losing 30 pounds and keeping it off for the rest of our life. You're not going to do that effectively in a reel or a caption. It's a conversation. It's coaching. It's guidance. You know, and so podcasting's perfect for that because we could talk to our audience for an hour and a half every week and coached them through the process. So that's why we chose podcasting. And it just took off.

It just took off from there. I mean, I remember, like it was the first month. month, we were in the new and notable section on iTunes, and we just kept going and launched our, you know, workout program a year later. We waited a year because we wanted to build a good relationship and authority and trust with our audience. And we launched it and crushed. And so then that was it. I sold my gym and everybody left their day jobs. And that was it. Full time since. Full time ever since. And I mean, love it. We get to help people. We still get to train coach people essentially just through media and then you get to meet really cool

people. I got to interview Jordan Peterson a little while ago, which was kind of, you know, surreal because I loved this content. I didn't see this one. Did you talk to him about fitness stuff? No, I mean, so that's the thing, you know, we named the podcast mind pump because we didn't want to necessarily be pigeonholed in fitness. Yeah, yeah. That's smart. And so I just, I just like what he has to say about. Did you ask him how he pull up so he can do? No, no fitness stuff. I'm actually really curious. Really? Yeah. No, no fitness stuff whatsoever. It was all the stuff he talks about. I bet like four. Do you think you only do four pull-ups? I don't know, man. He's, he's a, bro, that guy's so smart. He talked to him. He's brilliant. He is, he is. But that means,

I feel like he does a pull-up with his brain. He just look at the bar. Maybe he could will himself like seven. Yeah. I don't know. He looks pretty healthy now. You know what I mean? I have no idea how many pull-ups you, you know? So how much have you seen the fitness industry changed since you've been a part of podcasting well 10 years essentially bro it's been look you've been in either as long or almost as long as i have i know i'm older than you but 14 years okay well even longer than that but i've been on the how long you've been working out like really in the gym six 15 16 17 so it's 17 very serious it's 15 consistently but not knowing what the fuck i'm doing okay just kind of like push ups and pull-ups and bench pressing and not squatty not deadlifted

not working on strength, just kind of bullshit. 17, knowing exactly what I needed to do, focusing on kind of powerlifting, and then never stopping. So I'd say like 16, 15 years old. Okay. So I'm 35 now. Okay. So like 20 years.

I'm like that. Yeah, I'm really bad at math. Yeah. Unless we're adding up 45s, I'm telling you. Yeah. So for me, it's been, I've been doing it professionally for over 20 years, but I started as a kid, so it's been 30, right? Bro, it's changed a lot.

Look, I'll tell you what. when you started working out how many women did you see in the in the freeway area versus now none zero that's a radical maybe one bro that's a radical change you know it's crazy i never thought of that that's that might be one of the most like that's massive difference yeah it's like damn it depending what gyms you go to it could be one for one yeah yeah in fact we just recently recorded an episode as like the last six months why women maybe a year ago why women should bulk like no way i would have done an episode like that 10 years ago 15 years ago women would were like bulk yeah skip it got tons of uh of attention and views and listens because women now

are like i want to build i want to be strong that was i want to curve i want an ass i want you know yeah i'll i'll never forget i mean i was a trainer for 10 12 years and that was the number one thing you hear from any girl ever. Well, I wanted this, but I don't want to get too big. Yeah. And I'm always like, does it? It doesn't work now. It's never worked out.

Try getting too big. No, so that's a huge. Strength training in general used to be like, oh, if you just want to be big and look like a bodybuilder, but now, in the data now supports us, right? Which we knew as trainers. Yeah. If you had to pick one form of exercise for health, longevity, getting lean, all that stuff, strength training is way more effective.

It just speeds up the metabolism, shape. the body, sculpts a body. The data shows this gives you the best longevity. Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't do other forms of exercise, but the point is how people view it now is completely changed. Gym footprints are changing. When you look at like big box gyms now when they're building them, they're devoting more time to strength training

than they are to cardio and group X. That was different. I think I helped change that a little bit. You were definitely a part of it. Yeah, part of it for sure. Definitely a part of that wave for sure. And, you know, like I said, like women didn't want to lift weights. That's a massive change.

Here's another big change. I'll tell you what, listen, I used to run 35, 40,000 square foot, big box clubs, okay? And in that whole facility, we'd have one squat rack, and it would have dust. Nobody would do it. Barbell squat? Nobody did a bit. Deadlift? I used to deadlift in my early 20s, and I'd have members stop me.

You're going to hurt your back. What is that? What are you doing? shouldn't lift that way so stupid you go to gyms now i'm talking about run-of-the-mill big box you know it's not a powerlifting gym and they're a bodybuilder gym just a gym yeah and they have platforms bumper plates um so radically radically radically different the understanding around the value of strength training has changed dramatically i think the internet did it crossfit started it yeah crossfit got people to squat and deadlift um and then social media in the internet showing women are

now see what it looks like oh that's what it looks like when a woman lifts weight it's not like because before it was like pro bodybuilder you know yeah they thought it was good they were just going to be a massive bodybuilders yeah what that's like gonna happen yeah so so it's been it's very different and you're getting now conversations around like protein and supplementation is different um reverse dieting people understand that now uh whereas before it was like just run and don't need anything you know type of deal yeah or like the number one the one of the things that always kind of irk me people would talk about like would i want to lose a bunch of weight before i start training yeah where the fuck did that ever come from so it's a it's a total misunderstanding of how

the body works complete misunderstanding of of uh how to do this the right way um completely and it it set a lot of people back it put a lot of people in a bad uh situation i i wrote a book I had a book published where I quote this one study it's a trip it's a trip the study's a trip right but it highlights what you and I have seen and what a lot of people in the fitness space

is seen as trainers for a long time which is I'll tell you the study scientists went and looked at a group of modern hunter gatherers the Hodson tribe so they live the way that humans live thousands of years ago like they don't got electronics

they hunt and they gather they don't even have modern agriculture. They want food. They got to go kill it or they got to go find it. So they're moving all the times compared to the average western, you know, couch potato like they're not watching TV or on the internet or, you know, they're moving. So scientists went and studied them and actually measured their metabolic rates. How many calories? How the fuck do you do that? Very complicated, very complicated ways of testing. So they did. They tested their metabolic rates. And the result was that the modern hunter gather the hodds of tribes people okay burned on average about as many calories as the average western lazy couch potato and so at first you're like how's that possible how's that possible that that guy who throws a spear at an animal and then runs after it for 10 miles until it collapses and then drags it back how is it that that guy's burning as little calories as my neighbor who works in front of it, you know, computer sits at a desk and watches TV

all day. How's that possible? Well, it's possible because that's how we adapted. Our bodies evolved to not burn a ton of calories through just activity because otherwise we wouldn't be here. If you and I were hunter-gatherers, we would not find 3,000 calories a day. There's no way. We'd be dead if our bodies burned shit tons of calories by running and moving all time. Oh, so you're saying their bodies then just like... Adapted. They were burning less calories while doing more work. That's right.

That's right. The efficiency was off the charts. That's your body. Our human body learns how to be efficient with that kind of activity. Yeah. So let me ask you this. When you were working in gyms and stuff, you ever see those people that they don't lift, they don't do strength training, they don't feed muscle.

They just every day come in, get on cardio for an hour. That's all they do. Cardio bunny. What happens to them? They're still kind of fat, kind of flabby. They stay the same essentially. because their body adapts to that kind of activity. Strength training speeds up the metabolism.

Feeding your body to build muscle speeds up in metabolism. It gets you to burn more calories. So that study shows what we've known in gyms forever. And this is now people are starting to get it. And because of social media, we can communicate it now effectively. So now I could talk to the average person. They'll hear me break it down. They'll go, oh, no wonder when I cut my calories and I'm eating 15 hundred calories.

and I initially lose 10 pounds and then my shit plateaus and I'm doing cardio and then I double my cardio I lose another five pounds of plateau again and now to keep it off I got to do all this crazy cardio

I'm barely eating anything and I still overweight like how's this happening well your body's learned how to burn a few calories like go get strong lift some weights yeah

bump your protein reverse diet and then watch what happens why are people so fucking afraid of that because it's hard because they think they're they think they're gonna look like you on accident

and I mean they think yeah I'd say fuck Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, no, no. So, yeah, so a lot's changed, bro. A lot's changed. And we're getting a lot of people now to understand, like, the real, like, how to make this really work in the long term.

Yeah. But this conversation was the one that I had with clients all the time. Like you said, I'd have to get female clients and the, well, I don't want to lift because then I'm going to get big. Like, you won't get big. And then you always, like, I always like, pull up, be like, well, give me an example of, like, someone's body you want to let you like. And it's like, obviously someone.

see someone who works out and lifts and I'm like well how are you going to get this without doing that oh I guess my favorite were the dudes that would be like um yeah you know I just want to work out but I don't want to lift because I don't get too big like listen bro you're not going to get too big you're like trying to do that if you imagine you work out the next day they wake up oh fuck I'm too big I knew it yeah that's gonna happen that'd be amazing yeah I wish yeah I wish a lot of it's not going to happen so so also too like what's come along I know you started working with Transcend. How long ago did you start working with? Oh, yeah, yeah. The peptide space is wild, man. That is... Supplements in general. All right, guys, quick interrupt for the podcast, Transcend company.

So a lot of people messes me and ask me really often about, like, supplements, the stuff that I take. Lately, I've been really, really a huge fan of BPC 157, and I've gotten all this stuff from Transcend. Their quality of all their stuff is fucking top notch. Like, everything is pharmaceutical. Everything is like FDA compliant. Everything is like above board. Really fucking amazing. lately besides the BBC 157 for inflammation because my knee had been giving me such a problem and it just kind of made me avoid fucking squatting in general even though I promised like I wasn't just avoiding it in general because my knee was actually fucked up but also something I've been really into lately has been NAD plus and glutathion all these things you guys can get from Transcend

along with TRT along with tons of other peptides tons of other things that you guys might be interested and give it a shot if you guys want to I promise you whether you're taking TRT or peptides or supplements or anything if you're just trying to feel better you're trying to look better you're trying to be better. You need to know this stuff. It's so, so fucking important. And Transcend is a really easy way to do it. Go to transcend company.com slash raw talk to get 50% off if you're a first time customer. Go give it a shot. I literally cannot recommend this enough. Get your blood work done. Do not wait. I cannot recommend it enough. Transcend company.com slash raw talk. First time 50% off. Do it right now. Let's get back into this podcast. You know, that space has always been kind of crazy. But then the

peptide space that i really started to dive into i would say over the last couple years um i had heard about peptides never really dived into them i i understood hormones i understood all that i knew what they did the body but peptides i wasn't you know super privy on um and then i started to kind of pay attention because i was looking at studies on some of these peptides and then we had some experts on the show dr seeds is one of them he's like one of the leading experts on on peptides and And I asked him, I said, what's a peptide? What's different between a peptide and a drug? Right.

And a peptide your body produces on its own. It's a naturally occurring signaling molecule, if you will. So why is that different? Because when you use a peptide, your body knows what to do with it. It has safeguards against potential negative side effect. Doesn't mean it's side effect free or it's perfectly safe. but there's a difference between creating a chemical in the lab to try to shoehorn it to a receptor to create some kind of reaction.

Like testosterone. Well, no, testosterone is also natural too, right? Right. But it's different than like, you know, imagine trying to create a chemical that's like testosterone, but nothing like testosterone also. Like I'm going to create a brand new chemical to see if it could do what testosterone does. We don't know what the side effects are going to be.

A SARM is a good example, right? like okay it's going to work on the receptor but uh we don't really we don't really know what else long term effects we know what testosterone does i give you testosterone does i know what it does i know what's it's going to do for it right so with peptides um it's not like a drug in that sense your body produces it naturally it's got its own your body recognizes it it doesn't have the same potential negatives um and there are thousands of peptides and actions in the body and we can look at those work with them. And many of them get the body to kind of work in a more beneficial way. We're not necessarily forcing actions to happen. And that's loose, right? What I'm saying is kind of

loose. But that's, in essence, how many, how a lot of these peptides work. So I started looking at them like BPC 157. It's a favorite of mine. Oh, yeah. You know, wild, right? You know, thymus and beta or TB 500 for recovery. Some of these hormone, growth hormones. hormone releasing ones are pretty interesting and now what we have I mean for the first time in history and I try to communicate this to the fitness space because I don't fully think the people in the fitness space know what's coming these glp1 agonists right brand name ozempic yeah but uh you know the peptide itself like somaglutide yeah trezpetide this is the first time ever we've ever seen a medical intervention with this this kind of an effect we've never seen anything like this in the past

we had like these stimulant based ones like fen fan or whatever but they you know weird side effects and their their stimulants and we've never had a what's that what was that supplement does for fat burning that like straight up can like it's like literally burning you it's like dmpe or something oh that's not a supplement bro that's like that's an ingredient dynamite yeah yeah yeah but it's the thing people took d n i think it's dnp yeah yeah that's bodybuilders I remember hearing about that. I never tried it. I've always thought about it.

But it's like killing you. That'll kill you, bro. Yeah. So I never touched that either, but I have friends that compete and I'd ask them about it. And they're like, oh, bro, you take this. And it's like, you get a fever. Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard of all these shit.

Like literally melting you. Yeah, and your sweat's yellow and it's like weird. Those motherfuckers. Yeah, no, crazy. Bodybuilders are crazy, bro. but glp ones are wild because um you know someone will take it and lose 10% of the body fat excuse me body weight 15% yeah it's it's there's a lot of negatives in this though I think people aren't are recognizing like the muscle wasting of it like people so that's so there's so there's

a lot so let's get into that right so gLP ones don't cause muscle loss and in fact they're muscle preserving so then the question is why do we see muscle loss well one of the actions, one of the effects of a GLP1 like some agglutide is it, it crushes your appetite. You just don't want to eat or eat as much. What happens to anybody when you dramatically lower their caloric intake, don't have them lift weights and don't have them make sure that they eat enough protein? The body adapts by pairing muscle down. I don't even care. You can be on steroids.

You can be on all the trend and testosterone you want. if your calories are hell low your protein isn't high and you're not lifting weights your body will pair muscle down it's just what happens because your body's trying to slow its metabolism down to meet the caloric intake that's what your body's doing it's adapting

oh we're only getting a thousand calories a day we better learn to burn a thousand calories and one of the best ways to do that is to shrink your muscle because muscles burn so many calories cost much yeah so that's that'll happen no matter what So the reason why you saw muscle loss with GLP-1s is because what they did in the studies is they said, here's your GOP-1, they'd give it to them, and that's it.

So the person just ate less. Whatever they were eating before, they ate less of. Yeah. So it wasn't like they were eating less protein than they were before, which probably still wasn't even high. Eat less calories. Nobody's lifting weights. They're not doing any of that stuff. So what you saw was what you would typically see.

You would see weight loss and muscle loss. Now, the truth is, this is where it gets wild. This is why I tell everybody in our space, like buckle your seatbelts, because these GLP-1s are culture shifting. They are going to shift and change culture the same way birth control did or the same way antibiotics did. You use these. First of all, it effectively, effectively reduces your appetite, very effectively.

Like you get somebody who has problems with eating, all of a sudden they only think about food. They don't want to eat. So that solves the, and I use the word solves loosely. It makes them eat less. However, if you keep the protein intake high and your lift weights and strength train, you will dramatically reduce the muscle loss. In many cases, not lose any muscle. And in fact, this will blew me away.

So I went to the, it was a World Peptide Conference in Las Vegas. I did a talk up there. and I saw a study that was done on this next generation gLP one so you have your your seat and they're called single agonist gLP ones double agonis so somaglutide then terseptide now they got this new kinds that are come out that are called triple agonist and I thought that the gop ones beginning and end of story the reason why they work is they make people eat less that's it you lose weight because you eat less that's it and I bet you if you ate the same calories On versus off, you'd see the same results.

So if we get this group over here, this group over here, you put them on a GOP1, and then this group over here, you have to meet the same low calories. You're going to see the same weight loss, same fat loss, same results. It's not going to be any difference. Well, they did that. They did a study where they took a group of people, put them on a GLP1, then they took another group of people, and they just controlled their calories, but they didn't put them on the GOP1.

And then they looked at, do they get the same results? The group on the GLP1, same control for calories, right? lost twice as much body fat and lost far less muscle and had far less metabolic slowdown through that process and then to add even more

when they came off they gained weight back slower than the other group so their metabolism was maintained much more now the reason for this so this blew me away because I was like oh shit we're dealing with the like again a medical intervention this is like a serious fat loss this is as close as we've ever gotten to the magic pill it's not a magic pill and I'll get into it because the potential for

abuse is very high and with any culture shifting medical intervention we're going to run into some problems which which and I'm going to just predict and theorize what I think's going to happen but we're dealing what we're dealing with is something that so the reason why they lost less muscle and burn more body fat is because GLP1s increase and improve amino acid and glucose disposal into muscle. So they actually increase the or improve

the body's ability to preserve muscle. So they're actually muscle preserving. In fact, there's animal studies. Like glucophage? Yeah. Okay. So in animal studies, they improve muscle health and athletic performance. I think in

low doses, you're going to see people use these to help build muscle. I think in... Interesting. Yeah, in low doses, you also are seeing autoimmune benefits. So this is weird

and there's also some other weird reported effects like and there's studies on this now so the verdict's out but you're hearing people on some agglutide who are like,

yeah, I'm eating less but I also all of a sudden don't want to smoke cigarettes or I don't want to gamble or... No. Yeah.

Like, yeah. Where does that, so that was coming from somewhere in the gut? No. The theory is that the hedonistic, so the hedonistic aspect of overeating, right, because that's what you're dealing with, right?

You're dealing with this kind of hedonistic, like, pleasurable effect. The dopamine thing. Yeah, that's why people will overeat, right? They're like, either running away from feelings or they like the way to feel, whatever. They think it modifies that hedonistic aspect or experience. So there's carryover, not just with food, but with other behaviors. Or maybe just because with food, you're having less of those moments that overall you crave less of those moments.

I don't know because other appetites suppressing things didn't have that effect. They think it modifies behavior. Holy shit. This is wild. Whoa. This is wild, right? So now there's the verdict's out. There's studies on it, but there's lots of reports.

And the doctors that I talk to who work with them are like, oh yeah, it's weird. People like, they don't watch porn as much. They don't want to drink as much alcohol. They don't want to, like, I'm getting reports like that. There's studies on it for autoimmune issues where, they're now studying it for forget weight loss like you got psoriasis or you know other you know other eczema or other autoimmune issues Crohn's that it might benefit okay so now that I sold the shit out of it let's talk about the potential yeah right now

people like give me a bottle yeah right now I'm thinking like shit I'm gonna I'm gonna transcendment of Cassie well because also um we interviewed Dr. Tina she's she's excellent she's also you know expert in this she micro doses uh GLP1s. So that's what I was thinking the second you brought. Yeah. So she says she likes to use it for microdose. She doesn't try to hammer people's appetite.

She'll microdose it. And for some people, it's not even for weight loss. She'll have people with autoimmune issues and stuff that she'll microdose for those benefits or whatever. Have you got any reports on that? Yeah. So I microdose terse appetite and I experimented with that. And because I have gut issues that are probably autoimmune connected.

I'm eight weeks in and my gut health is healthier than it's ever been. and I have no appetite suppressing effects they don't take a big enough dose I take a tiny little little dose just to see yeah all right so the so the negative the potential negatives obviously there's potential side effects

it delays gastric emptying if you take too much you can develop issues there but besides that bro the potential for abuse now that you're hearing all this stuff now think of the bodybuilding and fitness space yeah that's where I was going with it

yeah oh oh pre-caught you know I'm 12 weeks out boom hit my gLP 1 right or the chick that she's not obese, she doesn't have this big problem with eating, but she just wants to lose 10 pounds. Yeah. Or I just want to lose a little bit for the summer.

Or this is how I control my body weight is I'll take it or I don't. Rather than learning and understanding how to develop a relationship with food, developing behaviors around it and all that stuff. Plus there's the, and here's the, in my opinion, negative. If you don't learn how to develop behaviors around nutrition and exercise, they're already selling it this way. The pharma industry is already selling it as lifelong. Oh, yeah, you go on this, you just stay on it forever. You just stay on it forever.

They're already, the pediatric doctors are now advocating for this as a first-line treatment for overweight adolescents. Yes, it is that, this is like the greatest problem that we have with all. this sort of stuff that benefits us is like the shift of oh this is just the fix yeah but like at the core i don't think the core of the thing is ever going to change where it's like are you sleeping enough are you eating enough food are you eating the right stuff yeah are you working hard and why are you doing those things uh i agree i don't i i would not i would not advocate for because if it does affect the the hedonistic uh behavioral relationship in your brain and and who knows right developing brain of a child your brain doesn't stop developing until you're 25 so it's super plastic when you're a kid

that's why when you're a kid you can learn three languages and not have an accent right who knows how you know this could affect the developing brain and then cause permanent right like so i'm not a fan of that um i am a fan of using these properly as a coach like i could think of many clients i've worked with well i wish i had a tool like this like they just couldn't you know you work People struggle, man. Like food is the most abused drug. So I could see how like, okay, let's use this. Let's break the chains from this addiction you have for food.

But then now while we're on this, let's work on behaviors that can help and stick with you forever. And now that we're not strengthening this behavior that you had before where you were stressed, you reach for, you know, donuts or whatever. Now that you're not strengthening that, let's build another behavior on top of it so that we can take you off this. and then you know those are always the harder parts when it comes to all of this shit and then there's also this bro let me ask you this of all the benefits you get from from working out how many of those benefits come from the end result and how many benefits come from the struggle and the challenge almost all of them from the struggle and the that's right like the mental fortitude your ability to feel like believe in yourself

so if you're just like taking this and avoiding all that you're just it's just it i don't know where does that Listen, if I took a helicopter and flew you to the top of Mount Everest, beautiful view, wow, this is amazing? Is it at all the same, like climbing the mountain? Not even close. Not even close, right? So that's the other thing that I, and this is why I try to communicate. But most people just want to hit the top.

And then they think they'll get the same thing. You know, have you seen the data on people who win the lottery? Yeah, lose their money. Why? They don't know how to manage it. They didn't know how to make it. It doesn't mean the same thing. It's not the same thing.

You don't get the value. of that process. So if I snapped my fingers and made everybody jacked all of a sudden, would they have the same benefit? Not even close. So that's the other part that I try to communicate to,

you know, we have a lot of coaches and trainers that listen to us and I'm like, listen, because some of them are like, oh shit, is this going to take my job or people are just going to take this?

I'm like, no, people are going to need coaches more than ever. Because, well, first off, you got a strength train while you're on it. So here's a good news for coaches and trainers.

We just talked about how strength training is more popular than ever mainstream-wise. It's going to get even more popular because, I mean, I've looked at predictions on this. GLP-1s in the next five to ten years, you're probably going to see a third or half of America is going to be on them, maybe more.

That's insane. And all of them are going to be educated that they need to strength train. They're all going to be told, like, you need to lift weights because otherwise you'll lose muscle. So you're going to have a whole bunch of new people who are going to look for trainers and coaches

to teach them how to strength train. So that's a good thing, right? Yeah. Value of protein, the value of building behaviors. I think that's going to grow. So I think coaches have, I think of your smart coach, you'll see this as an opportunity. But it's going to change things, man.

We're going to look back at this and say, it's going to be like before GLP one after GOP1 is what we're going to look at it at. Yeah, I wonder if just if I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen though because I think like, if I just from doing this for so long or just more people do it in abusive way. Yep.

than a like a strategic way. It's like this is my Band-Aid, everything, nothing else matters. I see more of that going to happen. I do too. Like you said to what you said, which is a good thing for trainers and people in this industry, that there's going to be a way bigger need for guidance.

Yep. That's so, you know, my goal right now, when I saw this and I started looking at the data and my co-host, he's like, look, I'm going to go on a GLP1,

normal dose, not because he needs to lose weight. He didn't have to lose weight. He's fit. But he's like, I want to experience this so I know how to talk to this. So he went on it. And he's like, bro, he goes, I don't even think about food. He goes, I know, he's a big dude, right?

6.3, 2.30. He's like, I could go on 500 calories a day, no, no, not even trip. And he's like, we need to speak to this. We need to get ahead of this. And so what we're trying to do is get ahead of this and create the narrative around it so that there's proper use. Because otherwise what's going to happen, is you're going to get a bunch of,

you're going to get a lot of people lose weight and not necessarily get healthier. Maybe they'll get healthier from the obesity issue. Here's the other thing, too. If you just cut your calories, because there's another part to the health issue that we're epidemic, right? We call it the obesity epidemic.

But there's another side to it that a lot of people don't talk about. Dr. Gabriel Lyon talks about this all the time. It's not just that we're over fat. We're also under-muscled. So being under, in fact, if you look at heart disease, diabetes, cancer, a majority of, for example, heart disease and diabetes is due to obesity. But there's a sizable minority representing tens of millions of people who are not overweight. They're not overweight and they get a heart attack. They're not overweight and they get diabetes.

What the hell is going on here? No muscle. Yeah, under muscle. Insulin sensitivity is terrible. Their muscle is full of fatty deposits. If you look at the data on like grip strength, so grip strength is like a proxy for whole body strength, right? It was a study done less than 10 years ago on college-aged males grip strength. Their average grip strength was equivalent to like a 65-year-old man in 1985.

Fuck, what the fuck? Week. Week? Week. Week, week, week. So, okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to take a bunch of people, put them on a GLP people. have them just eat weight less, not strength train. Get even weaker.

And what we're going to have is we might solve some of the overweight issue, but now we're like under muscle even more. So maybe other issues are going to pop up. In fact, as you get older, one of the greatest risk factors for an older person is just loss of strength. They fall down. They hurt themselves. Yeah.

And they die. So, you know, there was a saying in medicine. I used to train a lot of doctors. And they used to say, you know, for their older patients, break a hip diet pneumonia what they would say you know I've seen that before so meatheads kind of got

something going for him bro this is the area this is our time see I feel so empowered right now holy shit hey for reals you're going to get more average people everyday people

inquiring about like building muscle even though we're seeing it now we're going to see it way more as we continue damn so it's exciting yeah and you want to get ahead of it

you know so like the peptide space in general, I think, is revolutionizing medicine. I think, forget GLP ones for a second, all the other peptides that you can use for regeneration, for health, for insulin sensitivity, sleep, you know, cognitive function. I think it's going to crush a lot of pharmaceuticals because their safety profile, their effects, their downstream effects, the fact that you could still get them at compound pharmacies.

So like, OZempic costs thousands of dollars. or you can get some agglutide, same thing, just one's brand name, one is it? Way less. Yeah. So I think that's just, that's a very good thing. And then you throw in the GLP one. And I mean, big food, right? The snack industry, snack food industry, they're sweating.

They're literally having meetings about this. Like, this is true. You're looking at it. Well, I heard that they were going to start making food in relationship to this drug itself. It's like, this is like for an OZempic, person on OZempic or semi-glutide. They're already seeing draw. in sales because of uh of gop ones so they're all say that for the first time in forever like McDonald's did like its least revenue they're freaking out yeah they're sweating yeah now think

of all the drugs there's going to be a there's going to be not a dollar menu a fucking ozampic man yeah i swear i mean uh they're sweating they're losing money um like crazy there's a lot of pharmaceuticals that are at risk of going out of business so think about it right you get a lot People lose weight. Oh, yeah. Replacing a lot of them. So what the pharma industry is doing is they're going to dump a shit ton of R&D into GOP-1s.

Then how do we keep this expensive? Yeah, well, I mean, how do we, or how do we, you know, how do we capitalize? Yeah. Thankfully, it's like I said, you can still go to compound, like compound pharmacies are allowed to make these. So the price will be down. Hopefully, pharma doesn't figure out a way to get the government to like say, no, it's got to be brand name.

Oh, that'd be fucking terrible. Yeah. What do you speak? to like because like the peptide space um i work or transcend you work a transcend i know they do an amazing job but there's a lot of like isn't there like bootlegging of this sort of shit great market yeah yeah so uh just because the way the laws work you got to i love and hate this about the fitness space supplement industry is like this remember in the remember the early 2000s when you could buy steroids basically super draw yeah and you know whatever pro hormones and

Oh, they pro hormone. That was, that's what they called them. Bro, super droll is freaking stronger than anadryl. I mean, powerlifters will take that shit now and say, oh, I love it more than. Yeah. I used to buy that over the counter. I was a 20-something year old kid. Messed up my hormones because of that shit.

But because they found a gray market kind of like loophole. Yeah. That's what they, that's what they're doing with some of these peptides. So if it's sold as a research chemical, so you'll see these companies, not for human consumption. Yeah. But you'll buy peptides. that's how they get around it. I wouldn't do that.

Yeah. Talking with Dr. Seeds, he's like, look, if you're off a little bit with the formulation for the peptide, which nobody's checking, right? Nobody's checking if it's gray market. It's for research, you know, purposes only. Yeah, it's the gray area. Ain't nobody checking.

So you could get BPC 157, but it could be off a little bit. He goes, we don't know what the hell that's doing in your body log term. He goes, I mean, you can inject that if you want. He goes, but I wouldn't. When you go through a company like Transcend, first off, it's with doctor, so it's prescribed. And then they're working with actual pharmacies. So they're working through FDA regulated pharmacies, same standards. Compounded properly.

Yeah, same standards, right? They have to follow a certain level of standard because they're also making pharmaceuticals. So, yeah, dude, don't go through. I would not go through the gray market. And I get it. I was a kid, too, at one point. And if you told me, you could have told me anything. would have built muscle and I would have just done it, especially if a big dude told me.

Yeah. Me too. You know, now I'm, you know, I'm, you know, 45 and I got four kids and a little wiser. It's like, what was I thinking, man? Yeah, I did a lot of dumb shit when I was younger. Yeah, dude. So, so, yeah, go through, you want to go through a company that works with, like, legit pharmacy, pharmacies, and works with doctors. And also the doctor can monitor your blood work and, you know, make sure that what you're doing is okay. Yeah, that's key. I mean, that's the most key thing in all this, whether or not, like, you're taking fucking, whatever supplements or peptides or TRT or whatever it is or steroids you're a bodybuilder I think the the blood work thing is the most important thing that no one really I'm not no one really now because I think

a lot of people talk about now but you can get so much out of something that is so simple yes like see where you're at whether you're on anything or you want to be on anything or you want to be taking it or whatever like if you know where you are it makes your life so much better way better and you know like these growth hormone releasing peptides are wild man like um ibutymorein a lot of people know what that is not a sarum everybody's it's a sarum it's a sarum it's a it's a mimic it's a grelin mimic you look at the data on how much that raises your IGF1 it's like taking you know two or three i use of growth hormone and it's a it's a peptide and that's just the the natural sort of that's your body producing itself yeah you know so

now you're on this like longevity dose of growth hormone but you're taking a peptide type of deal and there's other ones Tessa Maryland will raise that My wife takes Tessa Maryland She had to lower her dose Because her IGF1 got too high Doc's like oh shit It's like you're on

Big dose of growth hormone We gotta lower this a little bit You know You ain't trying to be a bodybuilder So I mean And you do that with You know this through blood work Exactly

What do my labs look like How do I feel Oh no wonder You know she was telling me She's like my joint One one of the side effects Of too much IGF1 Is you'll feel like

Your wrists and your hands It'll be a little painful or whatever. And so she's like, oh, no wonder. So she dropped it. It feels, you know, feels great now. But yeah, while it's a, it's a, it's a wild space, but I think it's also the, the coolest time for anybody. Now, I want to be clear, anybody watching this right now, you're some kid who hasn't figured out how to work out consistently and you eat like shit and you're not getting good sleep, you know, a peptide ain't going to help you. Yeah. You know, it's weird, it's weird though how like that's, I mean, that will forever be a

conversation because that's supplements in general. That's everything. Like everyone is looking for that magic pill. Like even we kind of sound like we described it fucking 10 minutes ago. We did. It's it's never been that way. None of these things are ever going to be that way. And like even down to like what we were describing, even the thing closest to it could then create more issues in the opposite direction if you're not doing the most basic things, which is like, are you actually training enough? Like are you strength training? Are you sleeping? It's those things. For some reason, I don't understand why that shit is so hard for people. I guess because they don't like it. It's not enjoyable. Yeah, it's hard work, dude. And also, also when you're young, I don't know about you, but I didn't believe it. I remember when I was a kid and I was working out. I started lifting when I was 14, right? Skinny kids. I remember when I was like 15, 16. We had this family friend, big dude, right? Big bodybuilder guy. And I was like, oh, shit, I can't wait to ask him, like, what I need to do. Because I looked at him. He must know what I need to do. And I remember he says, sat me down I asked him name was Joe like Joe what's what do I got to do I want to get big he's

like all right here's what you're going to do he sat me down right and he goes it was oh bro and I'm a stupid kid because I don't take any of his advice but he sat me down he goes this what you got to do eat a lot of chicken eat a lot of eggs eat a lot of milk tuna fish goes I want you to go to bed early every night get good sleep and he goes and I want you to lift three days a week I want your squat, deadlift, press, just do that. And I remember thinking while he's talking, I'm like, this son of a bitch, he's fucking lying to me. You don't want to tell me.

And it's like, the secret. That's the secret. Hey, I thought he was full of shit. I thought my dad told him, just tell him to do this other shit. Don't tell him, you know. Didn't believe him. So crazy. He was giving me the right answer, you know?

That was, if I did that at that age, it would have been amazing. It took me so long. Bro, I must have had that conversation with like literally probably a thousand kids, the exact same conversation. And I literally get asked that question. If I ever see someone in person, at least at least two out of the five people will come up and ask me that question.

And they're probably thinking the same thing. Oh, he's not telling me the secret or whatever. Like, and this is the thing, too. Even if we're having this conversation, we're talking about steroids and all these things. Like, yeah, these things make this stuff happen faster, but none of it just does it for you. Like the hard work, the sleep, the eating,

like those things never changed. How many people do you know? I already know the answer to this. I feel confident. I know the answer is. But how many people, you know, take a shit ton of gear? A ton. Barely look like they work out.

A ton. Yeah. Because they haven't figured out how to train, how to eat, how to sleep. That's one of the most common things I've seen. Uh-huh. And, I mean, we're talking about stuff that works, right? Anabolic. Yeah, I'm talking about motherfuckers on trend.

Yeah. Yo, I still can't figure this. I'm like, dude, did you sleep good last night? You dream of water? Yeah. No, I knew a guy when I used to have a gym down in Palm Springs, you know, and that's close to Mexico, right? So I'd have these trainers drive down to Mexico. He'll come back with those.

And I had the sales guy that worked for me. Ben was his name. I won't give his last name. And he was on like grams of shit. Like just kamikaze, okay? And if you looked at him, you'd be like, I don't know, maybe he works out. And he was like, it's got to be fake. This has got to be fake shit.

You know? And I'm like, no, it ain't fake because this dude's using, knows what he's talking about. Knows what he's doing. He looks very different. And I knew his lifestyle. The guy didn't get good sleep, drank, worked out like an idiot. Yeah. The answer's in the basics. It's in the consistency. And then when you get that down, then you can add some of these more advanced things and then you'll see some changes. But it still doesn't compare to doing those basics. What about some of the health supplements like the NAD and the glutathione and all that stuff? Do you take any of that kind of stuff?

Yeah. So glutathione is interesting. Master antioxidant. You'll probably see liver enzyme benefits. More, I think what's more. What's more. What's more. more valuable about glutathione is how it can help with your immune system. I know that during COVID, they saw a really strong correlation between low glutathione levels and, you know, really bad infection. Yeah. For people who drink alcohol or maybe liver enzyme issues or whatever, glutathion is a good thing. It's just this, it's just a good general antioxidant for overall health. Injecting it seems to be the best way to use it. I, I want to kind of talk about that because it's when I started, and I think I probably when you started, like it was all pill-based.

Yeah. And what is the actual, do you, I don't know if you know studies on this, but the difference in efficacy as far as like injectable? Liposomal glutathione has some efficacy, but nothing's going to work like injecting because it bypasses the liver. Yeah. So injecting glutathione is always going to be the best. But liposomal glutathione is okay, especially if you take it consistently.

That's the stuff in the paste normally, yeah. It's either in a paste or they can even do it in capsule form. Yeah. But like, let's say you're getting sick and you're like, oh, shit, I got to boost my glutathione. It's too late if you haven't been taking it for a while. But if you have injectable, boom, immediate, you know, raise. NAD is an interesting one. NAD's got the data on it for longevity is pretty fascinating.

I've tried a lot of different ways of using NAD, and I never felt anything until I've done the, you know, the subcue injectable version of it. That one I can kind of tell. I can kind of tell a little bit of energy boost. I think if you need it, you'll notice it more. Because I've definitely, I know people who will use NAD and it's like, oh my God, what a major difference. I love NAD.

Yeah. Do you notice a big difference from it? Just energy? Energy. Yeah, just like sharp. I feel sharper. Okay. I don't know how much it actually is doing for the brain, but I just feel sharper.

Yeah, I think if there's. If you need it, then you'll notice a bigger difference than if you don't necessarily need it. Peptides are like that, too. I use the peptide called MOTC, and I must have needed it because it was like a huge difference in how I felt an energy. And then I know other people have taken it didn't really notice much from it. Dr. Seeds kind of confirmed that. He's like, yeah, if you need this signaling peptide and you use it, you'll notice a big difference. And some people maybe not, I like that.

I like that it's more individualized. Then I'm not forcing the body to do something. That it's kind of like, okay, you need this so you'll notice a big difference. Some of them seem to be great across the board. BPC 157. I have yet to meet anybody who doesn't notice pretty good effects from that.

Yeah. Especially if you're injured. You notice a big effect. My, uh, Adam, my co-host tore his Achilles. Shit fixed my knee, dude. The BPC fixed that, like my knee. It was so fuck.

It's, it's weird how fast it works. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't even like I had done like the soft tissue stuff I didn't even know exactly what happened to it and I was just like let me just try this and I was I was like I did it for like a probably like a month and a half and it was gone yeah yeah yeah something that was bothering me for like four months yep yeah yeah yeah you'll hear a lot of people talk about that in fact when I interview dr. seeds I said what's the one peptide you would always take you said BPC for sure yeah uh oral version is good for

gut health too it's just it's a regenerative uh peptide uh And the animal studies is wild. It'll triple the, it'll cut the recovery time by a, by two thirds or something like that. What about negatives for that one? You know, I haven't heard too much. I mean, you can overdo anything. I think doing too much may have some effects on the dopamine system of the brain. But I have yet to hear anybody say that that's an issue.

I think you can come a cause of yourself with any peptide and notice some negatives. Yeah. And I don't put it past any, you know, bodybuilding type, you know, individual to do that. Oh, shit, if this much works. Yeah. Ten times as much can work even faster.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't, peptides don't necessarily work that way. I don't think anything works that way. So, but I have yet to hear of any potential negatives. I know it's more effective when it's direct. So, in other words, if you have the injury to put it near the injury. Right. I use BPC systemically, so I just do it subcue just for overall inflammation and stuff.

Yeah. And yeah, love it. Love the way it makes me feel. What do you, what do you think are some of the most effective, we'll do muscle building and fat loss supplements? Fat loss supplements first. Supplements or peptides? Both. Let's say like a stack.

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Yeah, there's nothing that'll, that'll, that'll, cretine is just across the board. It's the most efficacious supplement across the board and also the most. studied for your brain too bro it's good for it's good for muscle it's good for well first of all anything that uses mitochondria which is everything so it's good for skin your entire body it's good for hair it's good for your organs good for your brain cognitive function uh you know it's good for heart function helps build muscle it's the it's the best here's where i'm going to get controversial the best fat burning supplement that exists all right everybody's gonna freak out right It's also funny because remember when creatine was like a stair right down?

Yeah, I know. I know. And then I took it, bro, I've been taking creatine nonstop since I was 16. So when I first came out. Yeah. Yeah. Why, why are people, why are people afraid of it, you think? Well, a lot of people now know it's a good, it's health.

It's a wellness supplement now. People are like, oh, take this for health and wellness, not just for building muscle. I think women are afraid of creatine because they heard that it makes you gain a little weight on the scale. Yeah. I'm going to get big. Yeah. You know what? It's so funny about that.

Yes, you hold more water. Okay, but wait, stick with me for a second. It's not bloat. There's water in the muscle and there's water outside the muscle. Yeah. Blow is outside the muscle. Inside the muscle is hydration. Yeah.

Here's what happens to a woman when she gains a pound of intracellular, intramuscular water. She looks thicker. Her muscles look rounder and full. Fuller and firmer. Yeah. They feel firm. They feel good. That's okay.

Don't freak out because the scale went up a little bit. It's actually lean body mass that you gained. Yeah. It's not bloat. It's not the same thing. But that's why I think they freak out. But it's also, in terms of being a fat burner, it's the most effective one because there is no supplement that burns fat.

But a supplement that effectively helps you build muscle will indirectly help you burn body fat through the metabolism boosting effects. Yeah. but I want it right now. Yeah, no, no, no, no, it's not going to happen. But yeah, I mean, so that would be, that would be the big fear. But creatine is like, that's king of all supplements, besides the supplements that'll fill a nutrient need.

So, like, if you have a deficiency, like magnesium or vitamin D, I mean, that's life-changing, right? If you take, if you vitamin D's low, you take it, it's life-changing. But creatine's at the top. Next would be anything that, or right there would be anything that fills a nutrient need. Protein powders are good. if you don't hit your protein targets. Other than that,

so nutrient needs, oh, for a second. Always. What are the most common things that people are deficient in? Vitamin D, I know is more. Vitamin D, magnesium, zinc, are near the top.

For women, you'll see iron. And all those things also affect how well you sleep. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you lack an essential nutrient, your body's not functioning the way it's supposed to. So like a personal story,

like my dad, you know, my dad was just getting lots of pain. Now, he has, he's been working hard he's an immigrant he's been working hard labor since he was nine so he thought it was just

his body like you know but he was getting aches and pains everywhere anyway he got his vitamin D levels test and they were low started taking vitamin D and the pain went away because one of the side effects

low vitamin D is pain in your body so is depression depression is a side effect of low vitamin D low magnesium side effect of that is anxiety so you got all this

some people might get like all this anxiety not realize I've experienced that firsthand 100% so you took the magnesium notice a big difference absolutely yeah oh yeah within the day yep yeah oh yeah like while i was experiencing it to like well

i'm like i'm good yeah oh yeah so that's that's another top one um so that those will be up there for peptides for muscle building the growth hormone releasing ones are good ibuporin you'll gain more mass on that than the other ones because it stimulates your appetite too so you'll just eat more so for like guys i want to pack on size you'll gain a good six seven pounds of lean body mass on abuter more and if you make sure you eat right on it um so those are those ones are pretty good the recovery ones are good like if you take bpc with thymus and beta um you'll you'll notice probably after a good eight weeks or so like muscle fullness and and like you can work out harder and build muscle faster it ain't like testosterone it's not going on testosterone but you'll

notice some of those those benefits because this that question i get asked a lot the what can I take that's like, obviously nothing's like testosterone, but what can I take that will give me or can elicit like similar effects? Everyone's trying to find that. The growth hormone releasing ones will be the closest. They're not like testosterone. You want testosterone. You're going to, especially if your testosterone is low, you'll feel that.

The growth hormone ones, after six, eight weeks, you'll notice you're putting on some muscle. You're a little bit leaner. I've done it on myself. And the difference between me on stuff that raises growth hormone or not is about three pounds a lean body mass and about a percent body fat doesn't sound like a lot but for someone like me who measures and tracks things i mean that's significant percent body fat normally i'd have to adjust my diet or something like that so that's everything's staying the same yeah um we'll do that the ibupitomorin will pack on some size that one will for sure but your appetite yeah i don't know

if you've tried that but you'll feel your appetite i haven't tried that one oh yeah so it mimics grellin so grelin's like the hunger hormone yeah if i'm hungry or not oh yeah so you take ibupitomorin just next you're like oh shit i'm on a bulk Make sure, yeah. I remember what did I take back in the day before this was the thing? So Ibidomoran's MK-67, I think, is the chemical name. You know what I used to take? GHRP6.

Yeah, yeah. That was OG. Yeah. Yeah, so that's still around. That's like not even, it's similar? Yeah. So that's, well, it doesn't work. It's not a grim, I don't think it's a grillin mimic, but it does raise growth hormone.

Tessa, I'd say, probably has the best effects in that sense. in terms of raising your IGF1. And now that's for fat loss too, right? Raised growth hormone, you get a fat loss and muscle building kind of effect. You could take now, there's also, they sell IGF1, LR3, which is IGF1.

So you're getting those effects of like taking growth hormone, except you're not. And then, you know, the rest of them, I would say, should be individualized for, you know, kind of your, Your goals.

This is my favorite thing about transcend working with them is that like, because I get my blood work done really regularly, like I say like every three months. Yeah. And they just see my blood work and they'll just send me supplements. Like knowing what is like, oh, for what can be better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I just got a bunch of like.

Have you done the cognitive boosting ones? Like die hexa or? Yeah. So I have to, I did that originally. I stopped after, uh, I was getting vertigo for like unrelated reasons. So you went off everything just to make sure. Yeah, I was like, I don't know what's causing what, because I had got like,

I think I had an ear infection and I just had not as like, I don't get pain like I used to because I think I grew up getting so many ear infections. So I think I had like an underlying ear infection and then eventually it went away. Because I've gotten, have you ever gotten vertigo before? Oh yeah, bro. I've had it though. I've had it though where like it was because, you know, the crystal and then you do the Epley maneuver and you like lay on your head and shit.

That's what I had to do. So I did that before every year at the time I got vertigo and then it was gone. this time I did it and I was like oh this shit's not going away I was like what so something else is causing it because Vertigo is one of those things you're just like you try new research and it's like fucking anything can cause it yeah yeah except for that one

obviously with the crystals is very specific where it's like you can do this movement and it goes away and that thing really worked for me but this time was so different I was like I did it and I was like oh shit this is I'm it's sustained for like three weeks oh you have to go to antibiotics I probably should have but I didn't I always try to avoid antibiotics I just figured it was an ear infection.

I was just going to pound it with like vitamin D and fucking different antioxidants and shit. And it's just time because I just like to avoid antibiotics whenever I can. But eventually it went away. And I do want to get backs on the dihexia because I remember that being really good. Yeah. Yeah. So diHexa.

Cass, you got to send me some. Yeah. So diHexa raises BDNF in the brain or it acts like BDNF. So BDNF is brain-derived neurotropic factor. It's like miracle grow for the brain. Yeah. So when BDNF is high, more creativity, neuroplasticity. You know what I did it with?

A little microdose. What? Of what a mushroom. Oh. You ever mess with mushrooms? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah, a little microdose mushroom and dihexo?

Did you see the studies? Have you seen the studies on mushrooms that they just did? Mushrooms are fucking. Did you see what they, so they just did a study on this? So they think they know now how mushrooms work in terms of like changing people's behaviors. It resets your default pathway or mode. It's like hitting control, alt delete on the computer. Starting over.

Yeah. So this is why people. Well, so if you look at, have you seen the studies on psychedelics and like depression? Not in detail, but I've I've read, but not in detail. Oh, it's wild. Like the, the, and this is going to. This is shaking up the mental health industry. People will be like treatment resistant depression, okay?

Very hard to treat, obviously, treatment resistant. Nasty. They'll have people go on do ketamine therapy or psilocybin therapy. And you'll see like a 70% cure rate. Cure. Fix. And then they'll test them again months later. Still good.

Wow. Wow. Wild. Wow. Done. Done. Well, isn't this like kind of why you're getting conspiracy theories? It's like it was so, that's such a bad thing.

Stay away from it for so long. I feel like it was a thing because remember they had, they were doing these studies time ago with acid and all this shit. Yeah. Well, this is so bad. Well, this is not a theory. This is what happened. You had the, um, the administration at the time had, uh, a culture, a counterculture movement that was really, they were scared of, right?

So they looked at this counterculture movement. anti-war protesting Vietnam. Yeah. And they couldn't throw them in jail because they weren't breaking any laws. They're protesting. What do we do? So what they did is they took the drugs that they used and they made them schedule one. So fucking stupid.

I get it. That's all true. That's all documented. Yeah, that's just real. That's why weed was a schedule one weed, right? Dumb. Schedule one, right? Is because they said, oh, here's all these hippies using mushrooms, weed, and acid.

Now, there's another side to it, which is I don't think. think they're innocuous. However powerful psychedelics are with helping you, you can also fuck yourself up mentally. Like, you could give yourself PTSD or whatever because you had a bad trip. So I'm super supportive of using them in a setting with the therapist. Like, I've done ketamine therapy. I did that. Actually went through and did legit ketamine therapy. And that was life changing. What's the biggest thing you notice from it? Because you've done mushrooms. How could you related to it? Oh, way different. Yeah, way different. So, uh, mushroom. You know, you take enough mushrooms.

You're going to, like, you're going to see shit. Ketamine's not like that. Ketamines disassociative. So. It sounds bad. It does. It does. It sounds like I don't want that.

Yeah, no, no, no. So what it does is when you're on ketamine, you can visit trauma that your body kept you from visiting because it was protecting you. But now because of the disassociative effects, I can look at that trauma and then I can process it. so what'll happen on ketamine it's a trip right what'll happen on ketamine is you'll remember shit or see shit that you didn't remember before because your brain was keeping it so if you ever have i don't know how your childhood was if you had a traumatic childhood if there's blocks of time that you just i don't remember like i don't remember oh that's my life okay so that's hallmark

so that's hallmark trauma so what it means is whatever happened during that period of time your body and brain was like just just forget this my my life feels like it started at like 13. Okay. So whatever happened before that was so traumatic to you that your body and your brain is like we'll just not let you remember this because it's too much. So if you go on ketamine, what will happen is that shit will start popping up because it's there and you'll start to remember it and then you'll be able to process it because

they didn't go away like all that blacked out time is still driving your behaviors. So if there's shit that you do now that you look, you know, that you'll do something and And then you'd be like, why the fuck do I do that? Like, why do I react that way? Why do I keep attracting the same shit? Or why do I keep doing this stuff is because that trauma is still pulling. Don't fuck. I'll connect you.

I'll connect you. I'm dead serious. No, no, no, I'll connect you to it. I'm not kidding at all. Yeah, no, I don't think you are. I'll connect you with the people that I worked with. Okay. You know, we'll do it all fair.

But that those trauma, that trauma is still pulling the levers in your behaviors. Without you realizing it, you're still, that's why when you look at it logically, like, why do I do that? Why do I react that way? Why do I still attract the same people? Why do I still do the same shit? Why do I still whatever? It's because this shit, it formed your your personality and who you are to protect you.

At one point, it was a good thing. At one point it kept you safe. Now it's dysfunctional. Now it's like, I am safe. Why the fuck am I still doing this stuff? So you do ketamine therapy. What you do is you take, the way I did it is you do this lozenge. You sit with it for, I don't know how many minutes.

And then you spit it out. And then you lay back. So you have your therapist sitting over. there and then you lay back you put an eye mask on and you go into it with an intention but what comes up is what if the fuck wants to come up so like i'll tell you my i'll tell you like one of mine right one of my first experience so i don't have any big major traumas in my life but i definitely had a lot of small things that happened that kind of shaped them for me and uh i'll tell you one of my experiences so i this was actually the first time i did it my wife did the same thing hers was

different because she had some different experiences. But I, uh, I had a big issue with crying. I just couldn't do it. It didn't work. It just didn't happen. So like, um, I don't have that problem. Yeah. Well, so, so for me, it just didn't like, um, somebody very close to me had cancer. Yeah. And I watched them slowly deteriorate and, and die. And I was there when they died. And I remember, uh, when she passed away, I remember hugging her and I had my head on her. And I had my head on her chest and I couldn't cry. It was like, it just wouldn't happen. And remember, I got to the point and then it just stopped.

It's like, what is wrong with me? Like, I was really upset with myself. Like, what the fuck? Why can't I cry? I love this person. Why won't this come out? Never happened. Then my grandfather passed away.

He passed away a few years ago. And my grandfather's been a big part of my life. And when he passed away, I remember I was like, I got to the part or, the point where I'm going to cry and then something just shuts off like nothing happened even at his funeral just couldn't make it happen I don't know I just thought this is how I am or whatever anyway did this ketamine therapy and if it was a first or second session I didn't even I wasn't even think about this I always think about other stuff that I was going to work on I take the the ketamine spit it out I lay back and my memories were popping up of these two people and all of a sudden

boom tears like i processed it cried like a fucking baby and i remember being like oh my god like this is wild like i don't i couldn't do this before fast forward i go to my next ketamine session and uh i'm like i'm gonna think about that again and i didn't have to cry anymore i did already i got it came out i got to process it you know what i'm saying whereas before i think it was so painful that my body was like we're just gonna you're gonna get to this point and we're just going to mute. That was my problem. My problem was I had this ability and I still have this ability. So here's the other thing. People are afraid that they're going to do this therapy and it's going to change them. It makes you better. Like I had this ability where my co-hosts will talk about it

where, you know, I went through a divorce when we started a mind pump very hard, right? Married for 15 years, kids, the whole deal. And I'd be devastated. You know, I'm a family man, love my children. It's like really hard to send your kids away every other week. And I remember I'd come in and they'd turn the camera on and I just turn it on it's gone I'm just doing this thing my partners would be like fuck I don't know how you do that like it's like you're not even going through anything that's that that's my that's what that's how I learned how to deal with shit is I would just turn it off but I never knew how to turn it back on it was off all the time now I can go back now I can feel shit whereas before I didn't feel nothing I was just like a robot

fuck yeah so how many sessions did it take and you still have a noticeable difference like you're oh yeah I'm different then the I mean, the question more so is your ability to deal with things now, you're more able to I'm more in touch with, for me. So it's going to be different for everybody. To feel it is there. So once you feel it, you can move through. You know, my motivation was, was, I was, so I have two, I have four kids, right.

I have two kids from my first marriage, two with my wife now. And my older kids are teenagers and teenagers are hard because, like, they're, you know, they're doing their own thing. You don't have a lot of influence. They don't hang out with you. And I was just struggling with some certain things. And I realized that I could only connect with them as deep as I could do connect on myself.

Like I could only feel or empathize with feelings that I could feel. If I can't feel them, I could look at someone and be like, okay, I see that you're upset or whatever, but I don't feel. I don't know what that feels like. Yeah. So I was like, I want to be a good dad. Like I got to, if I'm raising these kids, like I got to be able to handle, you know, deal with this.

So that's what motivated me So now I'm way more in touch I understand what's going on I empathize like my family tells me like Oh man you're way more connected And that's like life changing Yeah it is 100% Yeah 100%

And how many sessions was that? 10 10 yeah so it's 10 weeks And how long ago was that? It's been a year And it's the same Yeah Yeah because once you process

And move through these things That's you now you're That's you now So it's not like a drug Like you take a drug and that drug makes you feel better. It's, it allows you to work through

what you need to work through. So, I mean, if you do ketamine therapy, it's not like you take it and you're better, you're going to go through shit. You're going to take it. You're going to work through it.

Just like bodybuilding. But like, yes. You still got to do the work. That's right, bro. Yeah. Yeah. God. Everyone wants like,

what's the fucking magic too? But I mean, it's, hey, listen, with, without it, I couldn't have.

I don't think I could have worked through anything. Because I didn't have access. Yeah. access. Fuck, dude. And that's, hey, hey, you know, compound pharmacies make that too. Yeah. How do you think we, how do you think we convince people to do the work?

It's such, I know it's a very broad. We got to sell it better. How do you sell something better that is hard? Because that's the thing. People go, ah, it's just, they know it. Like, whether they say it or not, it's hard. It's difficult. It doesn't feel good.

It's like training. Yeah. It's not comfortable. That's, but that's nothing comfortable makes you better. No. Why are people so afraid of it? Again, because it's hard, but, you know, years ago, I was on a podcast and this quote went viral. And my partner still teased me about it.

But it's true, man. It's an old quote. I didn't create it. It's a spiritual quote you'll hear in many practices. But the man who loves walking is going to walk further than the man who loves the destination. So if you don't learn to enjoy the journey or at the very least respect and value the journey, then all you're going to be falling in love with is the destination. And here's what happens.

You think your life's going to change when you're a millionaire? Get your millions and then realize that ain't it. By the way, that's a fucking scary bad place to be. That's why you see celebrities committing suicide. They got all the money. They got all the girls, all the drugs, and why are they killing themselves? It ain't about the destination. It's about it's about learning to respect and value

the journey yeah so and maybe you don't maybe someone's not going to believe me because they're like yeah easy for you to say because you've done this and that look i'm going to tell you right now if you want to the secret to this life is to respect the journey and the struggle because it ain't going away the struggle ain't going to go away yeah and one of the worst things you'll ever realize is you're going to get where you think you're supposed to get and that everything's going to change and then you're going to realize nothing changed and that's a scary place to be that's when you're like oh fuck what do i do now like i got jack i got money i got the girl whatever what do i do now that's scary man so so realize it before you get to that place where you you think

everything's going to change man because it ain't it's interesting i think the internet is making this a lot harder for people yeah because the internet gives people an opportunity to see like the best in everyone's life. Yeah. Well, what's going to take, it's going to take people like you

to sell this because here's what we're competing against. We're competing against, I'll use fitness as an example. I have to sell that it's going to take you a year. It's hard work. You've got to change your behaviors

and fundamental ways. I got to sell that better than the guy who says, take this pill 30 days later, you'll lose all the weight. Yeah. So how do I beat him? I got to sell it better than him.

So what we got to do, you know, when you have influence and people are listening to you is you got to figure out how do I sell, how do I really communicate this so that people get it and it ain't easy. But I think the thing that I could speak to directly to this is like if I use my life as an example, like everything that was difficult made me someone that anyone actually cared about. Like everything that I have is because like I went through something that wasn't easy. Yeah.

And that's the only reason why I have all this other cool shit. because I didn't get into this thinking like I'm going to be a podcaster. I'm going to be a social media influencer. Like the time when I got into it, I think we spoke a little bit about this years ago. But there was no examples of like, this is how you do social media. And this is how you be a fitness guy. And this is how you make money. There was no examples.

And I was just a part of doing it. But my part of doing it was just going through the things that I was doing, which started as a trainer, started showing like just literally what I was doing. And all I was doing along the way was showing what I was doing and talking about my relationship to it and how it made me feel yeah and as hard as my childhood was and then as hard as like though all those moments was leading up to everything like I have everything now because of all the shit I went through I have everything that I could have ever wanted because I had to go through a bunch of shit that I didn't want yeah that's a fact it's a literal fact it's like

objectively just a fact so it's like I don't understand I mean obviously I can't speak to everyone not every single person is going to listen to this message but like that is a real truth the way that I could share or talk about anything in any conversation is because like I've just I've either experienced it or I'm not talking about it look man this you're talking about wisdom the world lies it lies to you it tells you that hard is bad easy as good that you're going to find purpose and meaning in things and that you need to use people when the truth is use things and purpose and meaning comes from people.

Yeah. People now, you hear this now, this message still gets promoted like having kids, right? Having kids, oh, fuck, that sucks, bro. You can't do anything. It's so hard. It's so, look at the data.

The data will show you this. When you have kids, you have way more purpose and meaning in your life than when you don't. Is it harder? Fuck, yeah, it's harder. It's way harder, man. Why is it harder?

Because I love this thing, way more than I love myself. So now it's hard. Now I really, yeah, dude. You want to be, look, young men watching this right now, you want to become a man, having something that you love more than yourself for reals. That'll do it.

That'll make you look at things a little bit differently. It's true for women as well. You know, the message tells us that we're, you know, that our value comes from having, look at the, again, the data will show you this, bro. We got more stuff. more food, more entertainment, more sex, more whatever than we've ever had ever. And depression, anxiety is higher than it's, than it's been, since we started recording this stuff,

since we started measuring this stuff. Why is everybody so anxious and depressed? You got all this stuff because that's not the answer. That's why. It ain't in your stuff. So, you know, for the data-driven people, that's the facts right there. So now you've got a choice. Do I follow the guaranteed path towards despair?

or do I go down this path that it's seen and here's the other thing too we say it's harder but it's actually not harder you know what's fucking hard bro what's hard is living life and no purpose no meaning and being in despair and you know you're that dude that uh you eat garbage you watch porn all the time you're afraid to go out you don't talk to anybody you don't go challenge yourself you know your conquests or video games instead of going out in the real world and trying shit you don't talk to girls because you jerk off to porn instead. Yeah.

You eat garbage and because it satisfies you in the moment, but it ain't, you know, really fueling your body. Um, that sucks, bro. That's harder.

Yeah. I think it's, there's a, the, because I've been there. Right? And I think a lot of people are there. I think it's identifying,

the hardest part in this changing portion is like, identifying that you're there, like looking at yourself for who you really are and what you're really doing and the results you're really getting and being very, very, like, honest and hard on yourself. and saying, okay, this is where I'm at, all those things you describe, I want my life to be better. What am I willing to do? But that's the point. Like that is the pinnacle, like the piece where people go, they either don't want to look at it and they block it out and they just keep on

and then they look back and they're like, what the fuck did I do with my life? Or they decide, okay, like, I really want to make this change. So how do you think and what would you say or how would you push someone towards like that moment? Because it's, because a lot of times when you're in it and you're in that stuff, you don't even, you're not even looking at it. for what it really is because you're afraid of it. You know what'll do it, what did it for me. And it's going to be different for everybody. And I do think this is a process.

I think some people need to hit a, they need to hit a certain point where they themselves are like, oh, shit, this sucks. But this, this to me was effective. This was powerful to me. It was realizing that whether you, whether you're aware of this or not, there's a God that you're worshipping. Okay. So what do I mean by that?

We're value-driven creatures. So every decision we make is based off of value. So if I'm driving and I turn left instead of right, because left is more valuable to me than right for whatever reason. I picked this shirt because this is the shirt was better than the other shirt. I ate this thing because I valued them or whatever. At the top of that is your ultimate value. That's your God.

So if you don't consciously worship something of real good value, unconsciously, what it's probably going to be is either money or power or pleasure or fame. And those are all false gods. So you worship any of those things And you're going to end up in a bad place So look at your life So if you're watching this Listen to this right now

Look at your life Because I know people I don't worship anything I don't believe it No you do your actions Actions are louder than words Right So it's how you live

Look at your life And be like if I were to analyze my life And subconsciously it's still happening It's happening bro Look at your life and be like What am I worshipping through my actions Like oh fuck It's actually whatever pleasure

You know Because that's all I do Is I chase pleasure Or it's money or it's whatever. Uh-oh, that's not a good thing. What do I want to worship? What should I consciously worship?

And then look at that. Maybe it's God. I think that's the best point. You know, best one. But maybe it's family. Maybe it's connection, right? So I think that that'll help do it. And then what you do is you consciously make decisions to serve this thing that you think is

worthy of worship versus unconsciously worshiping something that's not worthy of your worship. That's going to lead you down the wrong path. I think that's a good place, I think, to start yeah for sure have you ever been in a place like that where you were you unconsciously worshiping me bro oh yeah oh 100% I mean it's uh that's a story of my life 100% I um I mean this is this has been a long journey for me but you know more recently now it's much more of a conscious decision I you know for me is my own personal story um becoming a real like a real Christian

uh really only happened about seven months ago but up until then Oh, that's really recent. Yeah, this was, what changed? Man, I've been searching for a long time. I was an atheist, hardcore. Like, I would have debated anybody. You sat me down and debate. This is crazy.

Okay, this is really interesting. Yeah. Why, why did you identify like that? Okay, so. Like, why did that start before we get into the God thing? Yeah, yeah. So, a real atheist is actually closer to God than somebody doesn't think about this stuff. Because a real atheist is looking.

Yeah. You know, like most people don't even think about it. They don't really look, right? If you ask them, they'll give you an answer, but they're not really like, for whatever reason I was always searching. Like, what's the answer? What's, like, what started all this? Like, what's, so as a young man, I was an atheist because the world evidence to me was

like, oh, there's no magic. It's all science and what's in front of your face. It's the physical world. So I was always searching. So that's how it started. And then I eventually became agnostic because make a long story. short. I realized how arrogant I was. Like, I'm pretty damn arrogant to say there is no God absolutely. I'm as arrogant as the people that say there is for sure a God. So I probably more

agnostic. Like, I just don't know. I just don't know what the answer is. Yeah. And then about seven years ago, we interviewed Bishop Barron. He's a Catholic bishop. And I found him because he's really, really smart and he'll debate and communicate anything openly. And I watched him, there was a clip. Jordan Peterson kind of opened me up to the wisdom of religion. Because at that point, I thought religion was just stupid and whatever. And, you know, Jordan Peterson has done this very well. He's like, actually, it was a lot of wisdom.

And it's what built society and civilizations. So it opened me up to the wisdom, but I don't believe in the, the, uh, the esoteric or supernatural part. I just said, oh, there's wisdom here. Okay. Yeah. Then I saw Bishop Baron do a video on Jordan Peterson. And I liked them.

And I say, boy, this will be cool in my podcast, to interview him. ask him these questions so we went down to santa barbara at the time that's where he was located and that interview was real questions for me and now at the time i know what was happening but at the time i didn't although i didn't realize what was happening i was being pulled i could feel it feel like this is weird man i feel like i'm being pulled in this direction seven years ago yeah like i'm meeting these these these christians and they're just just a good such good people and I just feel like I'm really being pulled in this direction. Like, this is weird, but, you know, big part of me is like,

I don't believe in that magic. So it's how I would have said it. Yeah. But I was being pulled in that direction. So anyway, for seven years, kind of just continuing to search, continue to dabble. Meet Arthur Brooks, good friend of mine now. He's a professor at Harvard, and he's Catholic, but very smart scientists. met him and that pulled me closer because he's very intelligent so he could discuss things

at that level kept pulling me went through some struggles personal struggles with my marriage and did the ketamine therapy and you know I just kept kind of moving in that direction but I never really took the leap of like faith like God is real Jesus was real he did this for us never did that and then I had a fucking crazy experience wild bro so up into that point up until the story I'm about to tell you I'm teetering but I haven't really taken the full like belief right I don't think I've shared this part this I don't think I've shared the story on my podcast so I have a daughter that is going to be too soon she's a year and a half right now a little over a year and a half at the time so she was just

turning a year my wife had noticed some maybe developmental issues with her movement and stuff nothing major like nobody could tell but you know moms are very intuitive so she's like i think something might be up with the baby um i'm gonna take her to the doctors took her to the doctor doctor's like i don't know let's ever see a neurologist she took my daughter to a neurologist the neurologist did an assessment and said i think she's fine however that she might and we can test this she might have something called spinal tethering and that's where the spine attaches really low on the sacrum. And what happens is as the baby grows,

the spinal stretch and then they'll lose function of the lower half of the body. So if that's the case, we can see it through an MRI. If we do identify it through an MRI, oftentimes we can surgically repair it and there's not an issue. So then we can fix it.

However, your one-year-old's going to have to get an MRI if you want to know for sure. Well, to do an MRI for a one-year-old, A one-year-old can't sit, you ever have an MRI? You're in the machine. Yeah, you sit there. You have to sit still with this machine. Lay there.

Yeah. One-year-old's not going to do that. So what do they do? They put them under general anesthesia. I'm like, I'm like, fuck, I don't want to put my one-year-old under general anesthesia. It's not good for their brain. She's never been under general anesthesia. But then on the flip side, if there is spinal tethering, I want to know so we can maybe fix it.

So I'm like, torn. Like, what do I do? The neurologist is like, eh, I don't think so. but maybe like do I do this MRI do I not so I'm stressed out we call our pediatrician which we love and she says I'll do a full analysis and then I'll give you my strong opinion so I'll help maybe help you guys decide whether or not to do this so the day of this uh this analysis I'm stressed man I'm like I don't want to put my daughter under God forbid she's got a you know spinal tethering though so I for the first time of my life was praying out loud I've never done that before

So I'm driving to the pediatrician's office and I'm praying out loud. And the way I'm praying is like this. I'm like, God, I don't know if you're real. I want to believe you're real, but I don't know if you're real. I need obvious. I need you to show me in obvious ways. Like, you know, forgive me if you are real that I'm asking you for this, but you need to show me because I have, I don't, I just,

I just need to see something that I can't explain away. I need help. I'm scared. I don't know what to do. So we get to the pediatrician's office, and there was a mix-up on the schedule. We don't have you on the schedule. So it's like argument back and forth at the front desk. Then they're finally like, you know what?

We'll get you back in three hours from now. We can squeeze you in. So I'm like, fuck. So I'm pissed off. I'm like, fine. We'll come back. So then I go to the studio because I'm like, you know, we're supposed to record a podcast. So I'm driving to my studio.

And my studio is in downtown San Jose. And there was a parking lot that was next to our studio. And downtown, sometimes you see homeless people or whatever. So as I'm pulling into the parking lot, there's a homeless dude building a fire in the middle of the parking lot. Okay. So he's got a mattress next to him. His buddy's passed out on some drug, who knows what he's on.

And he's literally building a fire in the middle of the parking lot. Sounds very California. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, dude. And he was, this was like, think of homeless. Now think of the craziest homeless person you've ever seen. That's what he looked like, right?

Oh, God. Crazy hair, like markings and tattoos up and down his face, right? And he's like building a fire and he looks like he's like into the fire, right? So I'd pull in the parking lot on the far end. And I look at my review mirror and I see this dude building a fire. And I remembered a story from my friend Arthur Brooks, who I told you about. Arthur Brooks, he talked about, I think it was on my podcast. Like, if you ever want to give money, I don't remember what the topic was,

But he said, if you ever want to give money to a homeless person, one of the best things you could do is ask them for something in return so that they feel like they're doing something for it. And then, of course, the question is, what the hell do you ask a homeless person for? He said, ask them to pray for you. So if you give a homeless person five bucks, you give them the money and say, hey, can you please pray for me? And what it does is it makes them feel like they're doing something for you.

Yeah. And I thought that was profound when I heard it. Yeah, crazy. Right? I never heard that. Right. It makes sense, right? You give someone money, they're down, you know, probably, imagine if you were homeless.

Someone gives you money and you feel like, oh, shit, you know, they got to help me. But imagine now if they ask you for something. You feel good. Like I can do something for you. So I look in the Revere mirror. Remember, I'm praying out loud on the way there, on the way to the pediatrician, on the way to work. And I look at my Revere mirror and I'm like, maybe I'll ask this guy to pray for me, right? But I'm looking at the Revee of mirror.

And this dude's fucking, he's building a fire. A dude is passed out on a mattress. You know, I'm like, hell no. This guy's going to give me hepatitis. ask him nothing for a I'm not asking this guy's shit right so I just walk away I don't even walk past him I'm walking away from him okay

so I'm like fuck I'm not gonna ask this guy for anything so I'm walking away and then I hear excuse me excuse me sir excuse me excuse me turn around it's the fucking homeless dude so I'm like uh so I walk up to him I said what's up and he goes have a nice day so I said you know what I said can you do something for me I didn't give him money or anything

I just asked them. I said, can you do something for me? He says, sure. I said, can you pray for me? And he says, yeah, yeah, I could pray for you. So what's going on? I said, well, I said, we're taking my daughter to the pediatrician today to get looked at. And then he interrupts me.

And he goes, is it her spine? Shut the fuck up. I swear to God. Shut up. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, me, I swear to God. No. Listen to me, I swear to God.

No, bro. I swear on everything. It's hard not to get choked up talking about. It's true. So it hit me like a brick, bro. Like he said, is this something with her spine? So I felt like someone punched me. So I said, yeah, I said, actually, maybe.

I said, we're going to get an MRI. We need to see if she has something called spinal tethering and whatever. And he says, I'll pray for you. I'll pray for you. And I said, so after that conversation, I had money in my wallet. And I thought maybe I'll give him some money. But I didn't give him any money. I said, is there anything?

I can do for you? And he said, no, he goes, you've done more for me than society's done in a long time. Thanks for talking to me. Here's the second punch I felt because the day before that I had just started reading scripture, which I never done before. And one of the first things I read was a story about Jesus and how he told, he said the line, what you do to the least of you you do to me. In other words, how you treat the worst in society, you're doing that to me. I fucking remembered that right there

because the guy said, you did more for me than society's done a long time. So it? I must have looked like a ghost. I walked in the studio. I sat down in my chair and my partners are looking at me. They could obviously tell us something happen.

So what's the matter? What's wrong? And I can't talk. I'm afraid of opening my mouth. So finally I start talking and I start to tear up and I, you know, tears are coming down. I tell them like, fuck, I don't know. That was God, man. It goes, but I don't know what that means.

But that was definitely obvious. I asked for obvious. He sent me something obvious. So we recorded a podcast after I gathered myself and I'm on my way to the pediatrician's office. I'm praying out loud again. God, I know that was you. I saw that. I said, but I don't know what that means.

What does that mean? Does that mean we do the MRI? does that mean we don't i don't know what that means so i get to the pediatrician now mind you one of the challenges we have uh we were going to have with this test was that my daughter she's one she isn't she's shy she doesn't want when we go to the doctor she's grabbing on to my wife and buries her head and doesn't want to come off and if we peel her off to get wade or check she cries yeah so i'm already like how is she going to do this test my daughter's going to probably the whole time. She's not going to want to do anything because the test involved picking

this up. Climb over here. Reach for this. Can you say this? Can you do that? Right? I'm like, what's going to happen? Bro, I get there. We bring my daughter in there. And all of a sudden, my daughter becomes a performer. Everything the pediatrician asks, it's like she was, it was like, bro, what the fuck? She's, she's climbing, she's reaching, she's laughing, she's interacting for the whole thing. Pediatrician looked at us. She goes, for sure, she's fine. You don't need to do a test. And that was it, man. I was like, that's it. I'm a Christian 100%.

And that was it from that point. Bro, I'm fucking blown away. Yeah, that's, that, I mean, I still get blown away thinking about it. But now I've had a lot of stuff happen since then, but. Well, because you said, you said that happened seven years ago and you said, no, no, seven months ago, that happened. Okay. Seven years ago is when the journey started.

Okay. So from, from seven years ago to seven months ago, you just kind of still kind of, still kind of Yeah, the process was slow. It was like acknowledging the wisdom, acknowledging the value, dispelling a lot of my previous notions about Christianity. But I never was able to take that full, like, you know, when you hear Christians say fully accept Jesus as your Savior when you hear that. Like, I know what that means now.

So I just, I was never able to do that. There was always that doubt, that whatever. that happened that was it dude i'm in that's that's a like a fucking unbelievable story yeah so since then what have you done differently everything everything everything everything you pray regularly all the time yeah yeah three times a day uh twice twice a day's on my knees um i mean so i've always struggled with i'll tell you one of them this is silly one but it's an easy You want to communicate. I've always, my whole life struggle with lust.

Lust has always been a challenge, a weakness. I think it is for a lot of men. For sure. And one of the first things I prayed for after this was help. I was like, God, help me with lust. Help me with my issues around lust or whatever. He fucking took it, took it, took it from me. Like, I had struggles with pornography.

You're testing and go down. Your test got lower. Oh, my test. Hey. I'm trolling you I'm trolling you I'm sorry I'll show you my loud I'm on TRT plus

My test is really Yeah yeah It's uh TartT plus It's hilarious Um No man He took it

He took it I literally Didn't want to watch porn anymore Not that I didn't Like I stop because it's bad I don't He took away my desire For that

Now he didn't take away my desire Because for my wife She's still there Yeah But he took that away. Now, that's not how everything works. I think he lets me struggle through a lot of things. Yeah.

But that one was one that was like, holy shit, it was obvious. My wife since then also came on board because she saw and started following my lead with that. Although she was on the same journey, you know, I was, I took that big step kind of first, that real big step. She did. And for her, it took away. She struggled with anxiety really bad. took it like like i'm watching it right now it's wild like my wife is not the same person um

and it just changed my just the way i the way i see things the way i you know see the world the way i it's helped me communicate uh differently you know my podcast and all that so yeah it's pretty cool but it's i'm new dude i'm not i'm not like a super i i can't sit here and discuss theology and the bible like somebody who's well versed um i'm new to this essentially but Damn, it's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate it. Wow, man.

That story about your daughter and the homeless guy saying the spinal thing is like, it's insane. It's crazy. I know, every time I share it to, people are like, what? Like, yeah. Like, there couldn't be, like, that couldn't be more of a clear. And you know what? I don't think it's going to be like that for everyone. I think God is going to use, you know, if someone's watching and listening and they're kind of struggling with that, challenge.

I tell them, I say, I need help. I can't believe. I need help. I was such a skeptic. I'm such a cognitively based. I'm the same way. Yeah. That the only way God was going to get to me

was to make it obvious as fuck. That's it. So for me, it had to be like that. If it would, let me put it this way. If a businessman came up to me and said that, I would have dismissed it.

Oh, well, he's a smart guy. You know, he's thinking spine. You know, could have been a coincidence. No, it had to be a crazy,

homeless dude, building a fire. And he had to chase me down. and then he had to say some other shit to refer to script like yeah all that had to happen for me to be like no doubt that was real bro that was that is that's so fucking beautiful yeah yeah yeah fuck that's so cool yeah yeah and you know I'll tell you so now that I'm in that that space um and this I understood before too uh so you know I'm friends with people who are you know Christians and since I interviewed uh Bishop Baron Father Steve that runs his podcast we became really good friends even

before I became a Christian because he works out. So Father Steve is like this jacked priest. Cool guy. Sounds like something I got to meet. Oh, he's, dude, awesome. Bro, I worked out with him. He's awesome. He's badass, right?

He's jacked, right? He's a priest, so that's cool. He says that, and I believe this, he thinks gyms, he says, are amazing because they're some of the most inclusive, uh, accepting places. You know this, bro. A hundred percent. You go into a gym. If you're working hard, it don't matter what you look like, it don't matter any,

anything people like want to help you they believe in you the most some of the most accepting gyms of the world the most hardcore yeah it's weird how it's the people think the opposite no it's true bro go to a hardcore dungeon with chalk and rust and you don't know how to work out and you go try and go ask the scariest looking meathead and they'll take their time to help you because it's just it's a wonderful environment yeah so father steve's like it's one of the most inclusive and he said it's also a great path to spirituality because people get into fit because they want to look better, but if they stay in it long enough,

then they want to be healthier, then they want to be better people, then they accept themselves, then they... Bro, the gym is just like, it's a representation of like anything in life that you want to accomplish. It's the same exact concept.

Totally. It's difficult, it's hard, it hurts, it makes you a little bit better. It changes your relationship to pain. Like, I remember I had a client, like when I was an early trainer, I remember one of my first workouts with a client. I had this woman I was trying to do

tricep press down and I mean it was light she didn't she never worked out right so I went real light and I remember she dropped the bar like she'd like go to the bar weight stack slammed I'm like what's it matter she's like I'm hurt I'm like what do you mean where's it hurt and then she's describing me oh I'm like

oh that's your trisop yeah that's your trisot it's burning like it's supposed to yeah and then it dawned on me like your workouts hurt more than a beginner's workouts do because you're advanced you had it but you have a different relationship to pain yeah do you think there's carryover to the everything to everything that's right but there's also just

like that that same exact concept of like anything else you do in life is is related to the gym i'm not i really believe the gym is like one of the most important things and just human it's the most it's one of the most powerful vehicles for personal growth because it's also one of the most unassuming because right now i'm talking about my spiritual uh you know uh journey my faith right but if I just walk up to anybody hey come talk to me like you're getting a lot of people and be like I want to hear that shit right yeah yeah but I can walk up to almost

anybody and talk to them about looking better yeah and they're going to be open so it's it's powerful because it's unassuming like people get into it not knowing they're on this like personal growth journey they're just like I want to have abs yeah

stay on long enough and watch what happens it's it's a growth journey it's crazy because my entire life like everything I have is through it and from it. Like conversations, like moments that I've had, like, aha moments in my life. I'm like, damn, I didn't think of it that way. Like network, people that I've met.

Everything has come from the gym to some degree. That's right. You learn, you learn, everyone's like, oh, you learn how to work hard. That's true. But you also learn how to fail. You learn body acceptance. Yeah.

Right? At some point, like I remember at some point, I was like, I'm not going to look like Arnold, but I'm going to keep going. Yeah. You start to accept yourself. Like some of the best body acceptance, you'll see are fitness fanatics who are like in their 60s

and 70s because they're just like, oh, this is just how I, it's my body. You learn how to communicate. You learn how communicate. You learn, you develop a relationship with pain, what's good pain, what's bad pain, struggle. You see, like, you talk to fitness people about their, like, people who are really consistent but doing it for years. And they don't make excuses for their lack of, well, yeah, I know why I'm not getting the

results I want. Yeah. Versus like a lot of people just make excuses. They blame everybody else. Yeah. So, yeah, dude. It's a great vehicle for personal growth. It's the best.

I feel like we need to figure out a way to make the gym more of like a thing in the United States again. It was such a cool. I feel like it was cool. Like, I don't know if it was the 80s or the 90s or like it was so much more pushed. Yeah. Now it's just like, uh. That's us, man.

We got to make it cool. That's us. It's how we communicate it. Yeah. Our goal with my podcast, our goal has always been to not, we don't target fitness fanatics, although we have a lot of them that listen to us. We're trying to get the average person. who is not going to become a fitness professional.

They just want to have a better life. That's my job is, I want to get those people to figure this out and be able to do this for the rest of their life. That's who I care about. I care about the 90% that are just missing it. And the best way to do that, the most effective way to do that is you've got to coach them. So it's a relationship.

So we do, you know, we do five episodes a week on purpose so that if you get in, I mean, your ear, you know, days, every day, most days of the week, and I'm coaching you along the way. Damn, you film five episodes every week. That was like, dude, I, fuck, I got to get back to making more content, man. You make a lot of content. What are you talking about? I do, but dude, there was a time when I made like, I made three, fuck, I made one podcast, two

podcasts, three workout videos, one other video, and now I'm just doing one podcast, two podcasts. Yeah. Well, three podcasts, because I do another, I do the full seven pod too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it all. Oh, I was going to ask you, what's the most, what gets you the most? What's the thing that you drive to the most? Which one do you enjoy the most?

This. Yeah, just do this. But I miss, I guess for me that my relationship with like YouTube and like filming the vlog or the workout videos has changed because I get in my head, like, I've done everything. Because I've been doing it for so, so many years. But I always like, I, even speaking it now, I'm like, but like that doesn't even make sense. it does, but there's still a whole new group of people that are still just logging on. You're also not the same guy, though. I'm not.

Yeah. So, you know, you're going to be, you're going to communicate differently now than you did five years ago and you will five years from now. So I would say do the thing you love doing that makes you like once to get up in the morning and wake up. Yeah. I mean, you're obviously successful. So I don't know how motivated you are by money.

But if you're already comfortable, I would just go with what you love. Yeah. Which incidentally probably make you the most money anyway. Yeah. that's a weird thing how that works that concept itself i know because a lot of people i think i mean i know this firsthand i remember when i first i think i might have talked to you about this too we did that interview but when i first started making a lot of money in the fitness space it was through coaching yeah to the online coaching that's that was the first thing that i did that i was

like holy shit this is this could be like this i didn't even know my life could be like this finance wise and uh i remember so many people would hit me up because they would see what i was doing and they'd be like, I bet you make a bunch of money. I want to do that. I remember thinking, like, I never thought like, I was never like, I'm going to make a bunch of money, so I'm going to do it. No, you loved it. Yeah. So I think people miss that part of like success. And it just goes back to the thing we talked about earlier about the journey and like learning and like really experiencing it. So you actually have that information from a genuine place to share. Even like you said, you're co-host saying he's going to take this semi-glutide to understand what it's like so that he could

speak from a real point of like oh i actually know because i've experienced it that concept it just misses people and they just go where do i how do i get the money and then it goes back to the thing we talked about yeah what do you worship and what do you focus on and what's your purpose yeah dude one of the you know what's hell i'll tell you what hell is hell is making a lot of money uh being someone you're not or or doing something you don't like you're trapped you're trapped there's a there's a lot of influencers i like that they're fake you know persona i meet them i know them i'm sure you have them yeah fuck yeah fake they're not real um and they're tortured because they're loved for something they're not and it's not even real love it's

fake love it's fame it's not real oh yeah no hell no i'll turn that down all that we've turned down a lot of money i'll tell you what we've turned down a lot of money because it would it would have compromised our integrity um but it's always worked out for us so that's the magic what one more question this is completely off of all the stuff we're talking about goes back more back to the supplements and stuff what do you think about nicotine uh neutropic it's got some interesting cognitive boosting effects it seems to be healthy for the brain in many respects um so it's not like this bad thing it's the addictive property of cigarettes so cigarettes are bad for you but not because of the nicotine the nicotine is what brings you back um so on its own great now the challenge with

it is it's got some pretty strong addictive properties. So, which is okay if you manage that okay. Like caffeine is very addictive. Yeah. But if you develop a relationship with it where fuck, if I don't have it, what am I going to do? That's where I'm currently like, I've been I can't tell my fucking energy drink every single day and I'm like, I got to stop this. Because I've gone through phases of this and it's hit me again where I'm like, okay, this is like, to the point where you drink it, this is like nothing. You're just like, what the fuck am I doing? Yeah. Then you're just, you're just taking it to feel normal. Yeah. I did, so I, I had a challenge with Kratom like that.

I took Kratum for a while and then I was like, an opioid though? It works on the same receptors. Right. And I was just like, oh, yeah, I'll stop. It's not a big deal. And then I would try to stop and I wouldn't. I'm like, uh-oh, this is a fucking problem.

Yeah. Then I stopped and I had withdrawal for like three or four days. I'm like, son of a bitch. Like, this is not cool. So I think you got to be smart because they'll have withdrawal. Nicotine will have withdrawal. if you stop caffeine everybody knows a caffeine

withdraws like stop your caffeine and you feel like shit so what are the best ways to get nicotine because like you know like the Zin stuff and all that stuff super popular it's like the most popular shit now that's probably the best way

yeah tablet or lozange is probably the best way yeah because it's you're not inhaling it because who knows what the hell else they put in those vapes and stuff like that definitely smoking a great idea so probably the lozenges and stuff the biohacking community likes it a lot

you know now here's what's funny now here's a thing like again know yourself nicotine many times leads to combining it with other things so you'll see people will take nicotine and then they'll start taking it with stimulants like adderol because they love its effects now they start to develop a bad relationship and it starts to spiral a little bit yeah so that's why nicotine and caffeine is so great nicotine plus stimulant amazing well then you start to develop the stacking you know bad effect you know kind of behavior so you got to know yourself like if you have a tendency towards you know moving towards addiction like i for sure fitness saves me from addiction because i'm more worried about my fitness than anything um but if i wasn't into

fitness i would for sure have issues with substances for sure 100% yeah so this depends on the person exactly you're got to know yourself for sure damn well bro this has been fucking amazing oh really really great appreciate it brother you're fucking i'm really glad we came back to talk about this again that fucking god story like really shook me up i'm not going to lie. Well, I mean, probably because he's reaching out to you. It might be on your heart and your mind a little bit. So, you know, which that might be the case. It's interesting because it has been and it's so crazy that we somehow got into that conversation and you just gave me like a, it's just like another thing where I'm like, fuck, I need to go deeper. I tell you what. Start with where you're at

with it. So you don't have to take this huge leap of faith. Start with where you're at. Like for me was, oh, there's wisdom here. Let me just look at the wisdom. but if you pray do it with intent so for me that meant out loud like i'm serious about it i'm doing this out loud it felt weird at first like who the fuck am i talking to but i did it and then i'll tell you what tell god say hey man i'm i'm having trouble with this i don't believe you're real the thing is i believe it's just like everyone it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it feels like a tug of war that's what i mean tell him that tell him that's a tug of war i need signs, man. He needs something obvious. Like, what's going on? And he'll do it.

You'll, he'll show you for sure. Yeah. Yeah, man. But you just got to be open, but yeah, he'll show you. I got to come up and do your show again. Bro, I'd love to. Love it. We're only an hour flight up in San Jose. I'll come. I really appreciate you coming down here for this. No, same here, man. I appreciate it, brother. And I think you have a lot of depth to you for sure that I think your audience likes and like to hear. So, yeah, and that's, you know, our podcast. We go into that kind of shit. It'll be a good time. Yeah. For sure. I'll have you on for sure. Thank you so much, brother.

You're fucking, you're awesome. Thanks, man. And I'm glad you're, I like, I just love meeting and not that I haven't met you before, but I like knowing that there are more people that, like, you really, like, just sitting here having a conversation with you, you could tell that you have very pure and good intentions. I appreciate that. I'm glad that you have a platform.

I'm glad that there's tons of people that fucking, I think more people should subscribe, more people should check you out. I know you're on YouTube. Yeah. So our podcast is on YouTube as well. Yeah. Go show some love. Show him some love.

you're you're fucking i feel it you know and i'm and i'm grateful that you spent time with me today appreciate it man thanks for inviting me and you've been very hospitable i appreciate it brother cool right on every tuesday i love you guys subscribe to the channel uh turn to post notifications on uh check out mind pump they're on youtube they're on uh all the you know where all the fucking podcast shit is i love you guys i'll see you next time