RAWTALK - How Larry Wheels Beat His Biggest Addiction & Why He Refused A Prenup In His Marriage

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

On This Episode Of RawTalk, Bradley Martyn Sits Down With Larry Wheels And Talks About Rampage Getting Him Into Streaming, How He Overcame His Porn Addiction, Why He Trusts His Wife Without A Prenup, His Take On Clavicular’s Looksmaxxing, His New Gym Plans ,The Viral Slap With DeenTheGreat, Diamond Gym’s Brutal Workouts, Why Larry No Longer Has Vices & Much More!Sponsored by: Nutrafol Visit Https://www.nutrafol.com & Use Code: RAWTALK for 10% OFF Your 1st MONTHS SUBSCRIPTION & FREE SHIPPING!Sponsor RAWTALK: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/rawtalkSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

How long has it been since last time? I think about two, it hasn't been three years? I think last time I was here, my gym was even open yet. Yeah. So. Fuck, man. We were just talking about that on the way into the studio. I was like, damn, time is, it's true.

You were like, yeah, you got some grades coming. I'm like, fuck. It's been a minute, man. How long have we known each other at this point? I mean, I think I first met you back in 18, so almost a decade, man. You know, we see each other in passing here and there, various events and everything. but damn, dude, it doesn't feel like it's been almost 10 years. Yeah, it doesn't feel that way at all.

Have you, has this all become what you thought it would be when you first started? I know it would always be involved in fitness content, but I never thought I would make the transition into being more of a controversial figure and doing things with my wife and streaming. That is like saying the N-word. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that recently. I saw that recently you with Rampage.

one of the funniest people, one of the coolest people I've ever met, actually. I saw the clip you're asking, like, I think the pottery guy. Why did you go in that direction? You're like, this is. Rampage put me on. He talked me into it. And I thought it was going to be a chore to do it. But when he told me, like, he's retired now and that he just looks at it as hanging out

with chat and maybe look at it from a new perspective. Like, oh, maybe this isn't going to feel like work. No, no, not even the streaming. I just mean just saying the N-word. Oh, dude, I'm like more black. Actually, I'm a little bit less black than I am white, but I feel like I get the pass. But it still doesn't feel right coming out my mouth. I don't know why.

But why did you decide to say it? Because it's funny. Nigger, nigger, nigger. Oh, yeah. It's funny. I just hit all I want. No, it can judge me for it. I'm half black.

Yeah, I mean, I can't. Listen, that's not. You go ahead, you're right ahead. It's funny. It's the stigma around it is. I think it's like gotten. the certain words people are just not as sensitive to as they were before yeah i mean behind clothes do you ever used it no i mean maybe when i was a kid playing like xbox you know i was like

mad or something you were you a troll well i was a troll we're all trolls yeah i was i was definitely you gotta think like that time period too when i was a kid playing xbox everyone did that not that it was that made it okay yeah but it was just like no one took those things as serious as they took them Maybe not in the last couple years because people seem to take them a lot less serious. But, you know, there was that period of time where it was like, oh, don't say this. Don't say that. Don't talk about this. And that was like probably what?

Like 2015 to 20, like 20. And then the world just got retarded after COVID. And you're just like, okay, everyone's dumb. So like, who gives the shit anymore? Yeah. But, yeah, man, so you started the streaming stuff. He talked you into it because you just did you, he did a stream with you. I'm assuming and then you were like,

fuck, let me try this. Because I tried to streaming stuff. I've done stuff with Rampage. I was just like, maybe you could help me on this. I was just like, fuck, this is a lot.

It can be, right? Like there's guys like clavicular, for example. He streams eight to 12 hours a day. Right now he's doing a fucking 30 day 24-7. That's a lot. I'm not sure I could ever do that.

I mean, if the money makes sense, sure, like money motivates still does. But I'm doing four or five-hour streams a day, six days a week. But it's so chill. Like, yes, I did a stream playing a video game for five hours.

And I would have, I was so, I like playing horror linear games. Hard what? But I like playing horror, like hard genre. Oh, horror. Horror, yeah. Oh, you said horror. Oh, that's that East Coast shit of you. Yeah, bro.

Oh, you want to say it's some different? So I play horror. Is that better? Yeah, yeah, thank you. Horror games that are linear. Because I'm so trash at competitive FPS games like Counterstrike, Call of Duty. So bad, dude. That's what I love.

But are you good at it? Yeah. It's fun when you're good. Yeah. But when you're trash, it's just frustrating. I want to put a hole in the wall. You know, I hate getting. I think I talked about this on the last pot, actually,

about how bad day my video games like that. But hard leader game. I like puzzles. It's fun. I like jump scares. And played it for five hours. I would have did the shit for free, is my point. Yeah.

But now I'm getting paid to do it. And it's actually more fun with hanging out with chat and they're helping me with it. Yeah, it is. I don't get me wrong. I can do the desktop stuff. But I've just like, I know that they want the IRS stuff. Yeah. Like that's what people are looking for.

Obviously, you're not going to get the same amount of engagement reviews that's sitting at home. If I can get that sitting at home, I would just do it all day because I actually really love video games and I love sitting on my fucking computer. Well, dude, that's what I've come to find out is my stream yesterday concurrent with no front page, about 700 concurrent for five hours. Yeah. I just started a month ago. So I'm not seeing big numbers like thousands like rampage or other people are yet.

But when I do my IRL, if I'm not front page, I'm getting like the same 700. So my core audience is just as engaged in me playing video games as they're when I do IRL. It's not like I see this huge spike when I do IRL. Now, IRA's up is great for clipping. Yeah. Like I'm going to brand risk tomorrow with Aiden and I'm going to commentate and whatever. And I'll do that a couple of times a week. That's pretty chill.

But it just gives me shit to do that I wouldn't do otherwise. Like before I started streaming, I set my life up in a way where I have so much free time, dude. Like, it was getting boring. Like, what do I do now? Like my wife now are just mostly becoming homebodies, like just watching Netflix, chilling at home and between time with another. And we were like, well, now that we're streaming, like it gives us more fun shit to do and people to meet

and things you would have done otherwise. So it doesn't feel like a chore. Like I would be doing these things even if I wasn't getting paid to. Right. It's just, it's fun. Like when I spend time with Rampage, like he's such a big personality. Yeah, he's led.

I look forward to it. Yeah. Not everybody I look forward to streaming way. I'm not going to say who, but with people like rampage and clap, for example, like, I don't know what they're going to say. but it's just entertaining being around them. So not looking forward to stream with Dean.

These is a troll, man. Yeah, I know, I know. He's such a troll. He is a fucking troll. He's growing on me, but he's such a troll. When you slapped it, did you think of me? I did. You liked the slap final boss.

Nobody could see a slap and not think of your Will Smith. Like you two or like at the top, you slap by the boss. You had a nice firm one. I made contact with all five fingers, I think. It was very satisfying. Yeah, I only did the three on Ronaldo, but. Are you, so you're playing, where are you playing the new Resident Evil game?

Is that what you're playing? I haven't streamed it, but I'm gonna do stream with that soon. It's great. Yeah. I did a play through on casual difficulty. I played this game, Rianimo from the Maker to Little Nightmare.

I played this game, obey the voice with jump scares. So I'm really big into a horror genre. Yeah, there you go. But I want to try and get more into like competitive first person shooters and maybe like have someone coach me how to be like decent at it. Yeah.

I'm not going to lie to you. That's a young man's game. Is it? Yeah. I bet it. I mean, when I was a team, though I was like, I think I have maybe more potential not because I have more patience.

I'm not like easily rage baited, but I remember like never being more angry playing doing anything than playing video games, like especially first person shooters. Like nothing. Like does anything trigger you as much? I feel like I get most frustrated doing that shit than anything else. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah. That's what, well, that's why I, you know, the young me was saying the bad slurs when I was so angry. Yeah, I've never been the angry. Okay, maybe like with my ex-girlfriends and shit. Like I've gotten that heated, but outside of that, it gets me so. Yeah, what's up?

I don't know if you want to talk about this. He might end up cutting this out. But what's up with one of your ex-girlfriends like going on podcast and just like running her mouth about it? Dude, she's been dragging my name for years now. And I think what triggered her is when I was, when I said something about her here and I wish I didn't.

Yeah. And I think that was what started that. Like, oh, well, he went and drag my name. So now I'm going to do the same to him. I think that's what started. But it's kind of shit. It's like your whole personality post breakup is like dragging someone. that essentially, I mean, you helped her in a lot of ways.

I don't think it's a way to deny that. I think I did help her significantly. And she was at a point where she wasn't making any cash doing PT. I put her on to OF by doing collabs with her. Like, I've millions of views. She didn't become basically a millionaire. And now she still does it and lives a good life because of it. But now I'm the guy that's the villain.

And she's dragging my name ever since. Doesn't feel right. Like, I feel like I contributed to her financial success significantly. And it's like me going. and attacking you after you helped me so much with my brand yeah it's crazy right like imagine me like coming after you like how much you did for me yeah i could think of some people who did that to me but or had their underlings do that to me but that's a whole other story yeah i won't get into that um so you one thing i really admire about you i've always admired about you i think you had a lot of

controversy around like the addiction to like the pain for pornography and all this sort of stuff how open you are with that. Because that's like a, I think it's like a hard thing to talk about. I think a lot of people have not necessarily the same addiction, but where did you think that addiction stemmed from? I think it's, so I was introduced to porn before sex.

And I think many men that are addicted to porn discover it before they are intimate with a woman. So at 14 years old was my first running with porn. And I didn't have sex until I was 16. So we're talking about years of watching every day before I ever had sex. And my first experience, because I was by then already a porn addict not realizing I was addicted, because at that time I was reading articles, I was basically brainwashed me and believing that this is healthy normal behavior.

Like, it's good for your prostate. And it's okay to watch porn and indulge. It's bullshit. It's terrible. We should know what you'd bother with it. It's fucking terrible. Right. And my first experience with a woman was with erectile dysfunction.

I couldn't get it up. So basically, I hardly was able to get the tip in after like 30 minutes of struggling being embarrassed. So the following day, I'm reflecting that experience thinking, damn, it sucks. Like I was limped the whole time. Wasn't that excited like I thought I would be? And I was thinking in my head, like porn's kind of better.

Like there's no performance anxiety. Nothing can go wrong. I can see an infinite amount of girls. Yeah. Experience every flavor. no one's judging me and I kind of just I did not kind of I did

go more in that direction because it was safer yeah and now if I had not looked at porn and been and addicted to it before my first encounter with a woman I think that maybe would have never happened

and maybe would have been conditioned the way God intended and pursued woman and not a screen yeah the cheap dopamine spikes yeah And basically my brain learned that I can get unlimited pleasure with no effort. So why bother courting women dealing with potential rejection and failure and anxiety

when I can have none of that and you sit in front of a screen, get unlimited pleasure. Yeah, it's, that's like, I think it's like a real, it's a silent pandemic currently with men. I think, I don't know the statistics on this, but I probably pull this up. There's just like most men are like in their 20s, haven't had sex. It's like there's crazy numbers because of this whole industry. And what's scary is like men are so afraid to speak up about struggling with porn. Yeah. But they're okay to talk about alcohol, zen, video games, sugar addictions, other addictions

that for some reason don't have as much of a stigma as porn, but porn is the most accessible because it's free. Yeah. And but when you stop hiding it and make yourself accountable and tell your loved ones what you're struggling with, and you need a strong support system to get through any addiction. You can't get through it alone. And it's people that are hiding it because of guilt and shame, isolating that keeps him in that cycle of addiction.

Yeah. Well, that's why I'm proud of you. And that's why I admire the fact that you talk about it. Because, I mean, for most people from the outside looking in, you're like, you know, a very masculine man. You're like a dude who's like done crazy things that most men dream about being able to do in the gym. Like, you've achieved so much in that sense.

So for you to sit and talk about it, it's good. I think it's a really good thing for you to share it. because like someone probably look at you and be like this guy probably doesn't would never deal with that like he would just go and get bitches think it were easily right so i i applaud you for that like i admire the fuck out of that um so how when did when did that addiction stop for you it stopped briefly with my ex as she was like monitoring my bank account and um i went like a year without basically of abstinence without relapsing and um that was huge But then after we separated a relapse again because I didn't have somebody like her to help me and support me. And then I met my wife and then she was that person. Yeah. And she helped me tremendously like the same way my ex did, like monitor my bank account, make sure I wasn't spending money on that. And then I wasn't experiencing that big rush would make it easier to be absent.

Yeah. She's making sure you spend the money on her. Yeah. Now instead of spending it on that, I'm spending a fucking godly amount of money on bags and shit. But like I'm happy to support. She supports me. Yeah. You know, she's a voice.

Where did you meet her in Dubai? In Dubai, yeah. We're together like five years now. I'm married for two. I'm happily married. And I think the makings of any good relationship is excellent communication, which we have. Yeah. And I believe I spoke highly of her in our last pod together.

And I still stand with what I said. Yeah. She's non-confrontational. And we have good communication. That's what makes it work. And that's why I trust her. You know, it's why I didn't bother with a pre-nop. Yeah, that's a crazy thing.

Everyone's talking about that. When it comes to, like, you and streaming, I think when you got to, of the streaming world, then people started to get to know you a lot more personally. Not that you were never personal. You didn't make content like that on the internet before. But I think because of the streaming world, everyone has a lot more opinions on that. Yeah. So you just never decided to do it.

That's right. When you never decided to do it, it was a decision we made. And I trust her. I've been with many of the women besides her from multi-year relationships. And within a couple of months, there was many red flag to present themselves with these other woman with the biggest one being they're all very confrontational and made me question the longevity of our relationship whereas with her there's never been any red flags like that to mention where I believe if shit were to hit the fan statistically speaking I know the numbers like

most marriages end in divorce yeah I believe we can be cordial and we can talk it out without tearing each other apart I believe that we wouldn't have no issue doing that yeah with any other one I've been with I would never say that I mean she's just the best the best deceiver? No, I'm playing devil's advocate. I hope that's age as well. You know, I can be dead wrong,

you know, but I trust my instinct. And it's why I married her. Yeah. So in Dubai, where did you meet her in Dubai? In the DMs. Oh,

the DMs, you know, and yeah, shortly after we connected and the rest of history. Yeah. So I noticed with the stream, you've involved her a lot more

in your content. Has that helped her on her any like social media front? She doesn't do. No, she doesn't do OF, no. No, she doesn't do OF. And she's literally gotten like seven figure offers like to do it for sure. Right. I mean, she's clearly very attractive. She's getting a ton attraction and she turned it down because again my history, she wouldn't feel good about promoting that. She thinks that might egg on my addiction and make me relapse. So, you know,

we both like just walked away from that. Yeah. But basically, she's the villain and right. Yeah, I noticed that. It's good. Yeah. It's what, you know, but you know, people, people love a villain, You know, and people love a villain. They love to hate. But her socials haven't grown much because she doesn't post like on her individual accounts. And she is really doing just to support me. She doesn't care about getting attention or like making a career out of this. And I actually saw so much potential in her because she has such a strong.

She's not afraid to be opinionated and to be disliked and to not beat around the bush or to hurt feelings and like to stand her ground and certain things. I think that's what makes it so controversial, right? And when we first met, I tried to get her to post because I was like, hey, like, at the time she's a flight attendant, you could post a couple times a week and work together with me and with making content and doesn't have to be sexual, you know, we can get creative and you can make, you know, a great living from doing this. She's like, no, I don't want to be on camera. I just don't want to be a part of that.

And I respect her decision and we just shelved it. But then she said with streaming, this fits her and she didn't realize like she'd be comfortable and actually enjoy. joy having these debates and doing the kind of content we're doing now. So she feels like this is, she finds, she finds a fun. Yeah. You know, that's good. You guys have fun doing something together. Yeah. And it's brought us closer, you know. Yeah. It's, it's dope, man. So what's, what do you enjoy the most about streaming now that you, as comparison to the traditional content that you've done, like YouTube and Instagram stuff? I mean, I think it's like what I mentioned earlier.

The interaction. What's up? The chat interaction. The chat interaction, like hanging out with friends, especially when I'm playing video games that I would do for free. And then just doing activities that I maybe wouldn't have done otherwise. Like it's forcing me to not be such a homebody and to like see the world and meet interesting people like rampages and cloud, for example. And people that I wouldn't have engaged with because my YouTube and all my socials till now has been just fitness. But now I'm getting to branch out and see what the other side of content is like,

like outside of fitness. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. I've been doing it for a minute. It's good. I don't even streaming now. No, not streaming. No, just outside of fitness.

Streaming, I delved in streaming for fucking, dude, years at a time way back in the day. I just never took it serious. But it almost seems like it's where everything is going. It seems that way. Yeah. As far as content and specifically the younger generation, the newer generation, it's like watching, which is always sort of, I think, the goal of any influencers, like, how do you continue to reach the new youth? Because those essentially become like your new audience that are more,

highly engaged in like, you know, a 30 year old is not going to go and like watch every stream or like every picture or be as engaged as they were previously. Right. So I think it's like, it's always important to try to reach the youth for sure. And I think streaming is the way to do that because it's just like sort of, I guess the meta as far as what people are gravitated towards. And with the way the internet has gone with AI and all this shit, it's like you, you almost, everything's fucking fake. Right. So the closest thing to real now at this point until they figure out a way to fake the live streaming shit is is like live streaming and we got at least a couple years for that happens yeah i think at least i hope it's a couple years fun at least yeah we need a few years

i got to get on that way i'm gonna do it eventually i'm just like fuck man i just i just remember how much of a not an undertaking but i guess because i would try to do like sort of gym stuff and then you just can't like if you're if you're trying to engage with chat and then you're doing anything in the gym it's like you can't work out like you can't do anything it's like you know you're not going to go in there and get yourself super hyped up for something that you you have to like stop fucking every five minutes and go what is chat saying well i haven't done more than but what like one gym iRL so like the last six weeks my content's been like just irl shit like i did potty with rampage yeah i had a desktop stream with calvicular for example pred catch with vatley um double

triple date with rampage and dean where the slap happened did you get any predators what's up no we just got trolled damn we just got trolled did you anyone to stream with him to do that shit right yeah i'd done it i i got that viral one with some guy who like made fucking space jams or some shit some like producer guy didn't even know they were just like go go talk to that guy i was like all right because he was talking to some girl it was that was nuts yeah i didn't know when it goes viral like every fucking few years it feels like they'll post that video again where i'm like pressing some dude yeah i do i wish you would have had a good one because like just because you're a big dude it'd be funny to see well he's wanted to do something here in uh so cat but he's like he wants them to like eat

their shit and piss oh that's that's that's fucking dude he's still it's funny fatali after everything is just like that guy never never like shifts he's just crazy he is he's a good Contagrant. I mean, he's been doing this shit for forever. He's a vet. Yeah. So. And I wish, I wanted to be doing a documentary thing about his experience in the prison in Philippines. Yeah. I feel like he has so much to share about that that hasn't really been shared yet. So I'm so curious what his experience was like that's. That's why I want to get him on and talk more in detail. I know he's done a few things about it with like Aden about it. But I

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most part collab with fitness influencers athletes mutants freaks of nature squat bench deadlift and not that's got monotonous but it's lost that spark it had when it was all new and exciting yeah and i still do it and i always will because it's like my identity and it's not going to change i don't want to have too much of a departure from that but this lifestyle content is just like a breath of fresh air yeah like it feels like like almost new again like starting over exactly Yeah. New opportunities and everything. How much you weigh now?

Like $2.90 or so? You still just going to be huge forever or what? Not forever. I do want to do an open show later in the year. I want to give piloting, bodybuilding, like one more run for a year or two just for fun, just for me. Yeah. I'm not chasing records or like trying to be next Mr. Olympia.

Just one more push now that I have some shit figured out because of my coach Ryan and business partner. And I understand how to bulk in a more healthy way and where it's more sustainable. and I'm not miserable like I was. When I did the bulk in Dubai, the one viral, where I was 300 pounds eating pizza, burgers, and apple pie every day. So, much cleaner approach.

I mean, you ever look back on the times when you were just like, what it was like every, not every day, but maybe every week, you were just doing something absolutely insane? Yeah, I do all the time because the TikTok editors are cooking, man.

They post like the most insane edits to me. They get me hyped, make me want to go on trend again and do some crazy shit. And I think what got me hooked on that behavior was my first 900 pound deadlift. I remember at that time, like 23 years older, so don't quote me, roughly. And all that mattered to me in the world was hitting that lift. And when I finally did it, it was like the biggest explosion of pleasure ever experienced. Like an orgasm times 1,000.

And I've been chasing that high ever since. And now that I can't experience that high anymore, training is like exercise. It's just lost. It's, bro, I fucking relate. You know, it's exercise now. It's just, I don't, I hate to say it. I can't be I'm saying this, but like I don't really look forward to training anymore. Damn, no, I relate to that.

Yeah. It's weird. It's a very weird. Because I remember, too, all I did for like 10 years straight was how do I get the next crazy lift. Yeah. And I mean, me and you, we spent, I don't know, like a year or two, like training it and say, I remember, I remember when you did one of the craziest lifts I've ever seen. Obviously, the 900 pound delives is like out of this world, like only a few.

people in this world I've ever really done that. But when you did behind the neck, like you did like a push press thing. Oh, I did that zoo. Yeah, like 500 pound push press. Bro, that, that, that was like off like the boards. Yeah. That was the, that to me, that's one of the create, because I think maybe for me, I'm biased because like I'm really bad at anything overhead, like extended arm. And I remember seeing this being like, dude, this is the craziest lift ever. That was the craziest lift I think I've ever witnessed you do. Yeah, I thought that was one of my craziest for sure. It didn't get as much traction as to my other lift, like a hundred pounds squat. People don't understand how like, yeah, squat, obviously the crazy squats, like people know how hard that is, but I don't, I don't know if maybe it, maybe it's a

personal thing, but anything like from here to here is the, is that's the hardest thing ever. Yeah. Yeah, I've been gifted at pressing. Any press and at any angle, I've been gifted at, for sure. Yeah, but standing doing it is like, dude. I mean, my numbers are weighed down. Like, those days are definitely behind me. The hardest part about even attempting something like that now is I'm not fearless like it used to be. That's real.

That's the hardest part. Like, I can't get under any big lift and not spiral into thinking, what if I injure this muscle? Because the stakes are way higher now, too. 100%. Yeah. It's way higher. And I just, I'm tired of, like, getting hurt and spending months in rehab and not being able

to lift. Yeah. I did that for 10 years. So now, like, every time I think about attempting a PR, I'm like, wait, like, is this really worth it now? If this goes wrong, it's like going to be six months to a year of recovery. Yeah. Do I want to do that shit again?

You know, it's so when I was in my 20s, like, you can probably relate. You're fearless. And that's like the most valuable and most important thing about being, um, doing those piece of strength. You can't be scared going into it. Yeah. You know, the mindset thing with everything. I mean, I think that was the, that was the,

was always the thing that whenever I did something it was because I was just like delusional like no I'm gonna do this and nothing would stop me 100% yeah and I know you get it because I seen you do it I mean obviously everyone's seen you do it but that that's like the most important aspect I think people don't give their mind enough credit when it comes to actually training and getting stronger I think that's the most powerful part is your ability to just like you said just say fuck it just completely throw anything to the wind of like okay this isn't going to work out you have to like fully you just go, this is what I'm going to do. Yeah.

Like you do, I mean, you did that like fucking for years, man. So it's cool to see you sort of transition. But yeah, it is. It's kind of like a little bittersweet in sometimes, huh? Because I definitely like, obviously I'm older now. You're a little bit older now. And you look back and like, man, I wish I could still do it. Are there any lifts you wish you still would have done?

I think the thousand pound delove just to be in that four digit club. Yeah. Just for the bragging, right? doing a thousand pounds i mean that's the only one yeah yeah i wish i kept pushing on and i was close i was maybe two or three cycles away of bearing injury if i didn't get hurt from getting it so yeah now it's just so far away what what are your numbers now i mean i haven't tested my one or m in years but if i have to guess like probably five something bench seven something squat maybe like a seven something deadlift yeah you know so you know decent this i mean it's

relatively speaking though right it's like 30 percent less yeah it's still insane Yeah. That's still like, it's still like most people in the world have never done that. Yeah. So it's kind of funny to say that. But you were, I remember,

dude, it was like after, after me on the internet, you like, and I say after me because just because I had come first, like making viral videos, you were the next guy. I remember I saw you coming up and I was like,

oh, this guy, this guy can fucking blow up. Because you were so insane. Like you, I never seen like a younger dude be that strong. like that I'm telling you that's like I remember I reached out to you I don't know how long ago this was but I was like if this guy can fucking and you were already kind of doing your thing

but but I was like I just knew it when I saw you was like this guy fucking has it dude you're insane why do you think some guys now that for example there's this guy Colton and some others like Kyle that are blowing him out of the water now and they're not overweight they're in decent shape they're not shredded as I was but they're certainly not like the stereotypical powerlifter round and soft yet they're not getting the traction I did why do you think that is do you think it's like the emotion I showed after the lifts that made the videos go viral or was it how I looked while I did it what do you think that was it the catalyst that made me explode it wasn't as I don't think it's necessarily those things I think it's just been done now it's been done too many times and I think

there's so many people that are which is like a credit to you and somewhat of a credit to me that that you were able to do it and show that it was possible. And then a lot of people were like, oh, I can do this. And then a lot of people just started doing it. Like not the same numbers that you're at, but somewhere near. And I just think it doesn't have the same luster that it used to have. And I think overall,

the fitness place has also just gotten so diluted. And the social media platform, excuse me, are so diluted that it's not as like sought after as it once was. So as far as the time piece goes, like the timing of it, like your timing was perfect. Like my timing was perfect for the things I did as well. For sure. So there's something to say about like a time in place.

I mean, we can't deny that like, you know, timing, I don't know if you want to call it luck, but being able to be born at the time you were born to live the life you're able to live in the current time. Like it just wasn't, excuse me, it just isn't the same now. The platform's completely different. So like even just growing, like people don't grow like they used to grow. I think that whole era of going viral, like for me, I think even before you, I can go viral,

go on the explore page, which was a page, one page for everyone who had Instagram, and there's six different versions of it. And if you went viral, you'd get, like, you get hundreds of thousands of followers overnight. Right. Like, I remember those days. Yeah. I think you might have been at the tail end of that or even, not even there. And I think, like, there's just, the platform themselves are just not what they were.

I think that's the biggest thing. And then, like I said, because so many people have done it that when they see it now, it's like, oh, it's almost like everyone does it. Like you see a girl, you're like, oh, they all have only fans. Right. You know, so it's not as special anymore. That's you what you're saying. Yeah.

So you got a good timing, man. I think so. I think so. I think when it comes to like feats of strength, absolutely. I will say there's guys like Sam Sillic, Malibu FitMax. Yeah. Absolutely exploded what seems to be like overnight with millions of followers from like Ben Air. Yeah.

could still you could still definitely go viral um i think it's just like a complete but notice like those are two completely different angles than what you went viral for right like outside of feats of strain that you can still go viral and blow up maybe even faster now than ever but like with my specific niche that made me blow up i have not seen anyone do it yeah no i don't i don't think it's i don't think it's as like special anymore i think like the sam sullick's a good example of someone who obviously incredible physique incredible work ethic but he was more so like he he he he He came back and blew up at a time when everyone was so focused on, I think, just going viral and doing something viral. And his content was just like, I don't even know.

It was almost like ASMR to a lot of people. Like they were just like, I like the way he talked. Yeah. But he was just explaining. He was just like, this is just what I'm doing. And I think it was refreshing at the time because everyone else was like trying to go viral, viral, viral. And he was just like, this is just me lifting. This is what I'm lifting.

Yeah. And it was almost like what went viral 10 years prior where it was like that. that's like in the early days of me like in the the original sort of like fitness people with like Mike Rashid, uh rich piano like that era that was like the very inception I think of like social media we were just like we're just working out and doing stuff and that was going viral then him 10 years later is like he's just doing the same thing and then it was almost like people wanted that again because they were they were used to this so much agree and then the the Malibu fit guy seen a lot of weird controversy stuff about that guy with like his

face and saying he was like a fucking, you know, like a vet. He got like an IED. IED. And then he said he was lying about it. I don't know. His was just like the overall positivity thing, I think that went viral, which you've seen people like Joey Swoll went viral for that after his original sort of like stretch on social media. He came back and went viral for like the gym positivity thing. And then there's like that Noel guy who goes viral for like the positivity thing. I think I think that's like another version of that that people are looking for. I can see that. Because there's, There's just not, there's not a lot of that. And I think that's what it comes back to, which is like, you talk about the feats of strength.

It'd be started to become like, oh, I could do this. I could do this. And everyone just tried to do it. And then it's just like, where is it unique now? So the question is like, what's next? What do you think is next? Because you've been in it, you've done it. You, you know, you've had the virality.

What do you think is going to make the next sort of wave of like creators? Let's talk about the fitness space specifically popular. that's a great question i haven't figured that out yet to me honest i haven't figured that out i think it's going to be people who are able to to blend whoever could figure out how to do the live streaming and the fitness thing like in a really at a high level i think that would be the thing yeah like to if somebody can figure how to make live streaming fitness content entertaining yes because it's it's kind of not dude it's not well i think sam if he was live streaming when he was doing his youtube like when he started youtube he would have bled

blown up on streaming as well. Yeah. But I'm not sure that his approach would work on streaming now. I think no one's figured out, like on kick, for example, the fitness niche is the smallest by far. Yeah. Like I've seen a few live streams that are just like in the fitness section and it's like three four people watching.

It's still, it's so dead. Yeah. You know, and I think that's, it's challenging to make a workout in a live stream entertaining. Yeah. Now, I think fitness events, like whether it's arm wrestling or maybe a mock me for powerlifting, like, that could be hype. That could be fun. But you can't do that every day for a stream.

And streaming requires you to stream every day. You have to show up every day, you know, at least five, six days a week. Yeah. Do you still arm wrestle? I don't. I don't still arm wrestle. I want to get back into tournaments just for fun. You know, I've readjusting my expectations.

Like, I'm not going to be the next best arm wrestler, you know, but it is fun. Yeah. You know, it is fun. Who was the hardest person you arm wrestle? Levan, by far, the Georgian home. Big ass hand guy? Yeah, dude, he's like 400 pounds. No one's beat him in years.

He's undefeated. I don't think anyone ever will beat him. Maybe Andres Maya, but he blocked in. Yeah, that's that bodybuilder guy who's like... In Russia. I went to Russia to see him. It was unbelievable. How much that guy weigh?

He's like 350, 26 inch arms. You can do one arm pull-ups or reps. It's crazy. He did eight rap with one-arm pull-ups at 350 body weight. Like, he's, dude. doing everything I've done to another level. Like he's like the me like fucking 3.0, you know, he's just way ahead. But even he's not getting the traction that I got, but grant he's on it.

And he speaks English. He speaks English speaking channel. Yeah. He speaks both languages. He posts on both, uh, for both demographics, Russian English. But he's not getting the same trash. He hasn't exploded like I did. Even though I think he's doing everything I did better.

You know, so he, he, he's like the strongest guy right now, bodybuilding strength. Oh, by far. He benched as much as I did. He's lefts are all like where mine are. And he's doing calisetic to a super high level. Like 50 pull-ups consecutively at 350. It's insane. Like what he's doing, dude, is 50?

What? 50 pull-ups at 350. Like all the way down, all the way? Yeah, all the way down with straps, but still, like, it's nuts. Holy shit. I mean, the most I ever did at 260 body. It was like maybe 30 pull-ups. Yeah.

And he's got almost 100 pounds on me from when I did that. And again, like, did you ever. do muscle ups? I did muscle ups at 260. I did like three, I think. I did three or four. I got 15. So I got you. Damn. Are you smoked? At 260? Yeah. Oh, 15? Yeah. Where's that video, dude? What the hell? I did it in the back of zoo. It's an old video I did in the back of zoo. But to be fair, the bars are super bendy, so I had like a little bit of a whip. I mean, I kind of cheated it a little bit. I mean, even still, dude, that's like way. I pulled my bicep on the fourth wrap. So I was nowhere near even. Yeah. When you injured, when you injured yourself, the, the biceep injury,

How long was that recovery? It was about three months. Wait. The tear? Yeah, the tear. It was just three months? It was just three months. What happened is the tendon tore from the muscle.

And I saw a spashist at the time that misinformed me. And he said it wasn't able to be reattached. But when it was, I didn't know that at the time. And my mistake was not getting a second opinion. And I just left it as it is and let it heal naturally without any intervention, any surgery. And it took three months. But six years later, I linked up with Steve more than retouched Thor's Peck with lots of athletes. He probably heard the name.

He's a big and OC. And he's, oh, I can retouch it. I mean, now? Yeah. But I'd be out of the gym for nine months and it just wasn't worth it for me to not work out. Oh, that sucks. Upper body for nine months. Screw that.

I couldn't do it. So because you didn't get a second opinion. You kind of got fucked. Yeah. So it's my responsibility to, you know, get a second opinion. So that's my advice to anyone out there that has some similar happen. Get a second opinion. If I was to be told I could get a reattach at that time,

I would have done it for sure. Did you, you know who Von Walker is? No. Okay, he's like, he means a social media guy, bodybuilder.

He tore both of his biceps and a quad. At the same time. How? How was he doing? How would you guess? I could only make one guess that where that would happen. Um,

if you had to guess, how do you tear both biceps and a quad? Wait. At the same time. At the same time. You're spotting somebody? Like the bar, boweling,

try to catch it? No. Well, think about, think about, like, the only time you're exerting like arms and legs

at the same time. Deadlift? No. Leg press. Think about it. But how? I mean, holding onto the bars,

how hard would you hold on this? Well, I don't know. I don't know. That's what I would guess because, like, that's the only thing you're doing

where you're using everything. Yeah, but how hard are you holding into those bars? as fuck what the fuck like i don't know again i don't know i'm speculating but like i i couldn't imagine i'd be like dude i'd be distraught was actually like res i don't know i think so that's what i would guess yeah that's what i would guess it's got to be what else could it be yeah fuck because the recovery on that is just like fucking it's got to be demoralizing are you like you can't train anything you can't train lower or up

yeah turn to a thwart so so streaming with uh with uh with uh rampage He's taught you about streaming, like he showed you stuff? Yeah, and I'm working with his manager, his team that brought up Fusi, and he's been working with Rampage for like 10 months now. And he put me on to streaming and then connected me with people that are other big stream like Aiden and Cuffolum's, clavicular, Vitality. Yeah. And then help me monetize it with a casino and, you know.

How was, yeah. So what's, which casino are you working with? Gamwiz. Okay. Yeah. What are you, uh, what's your opinion on clavicular and the whole looks maxing thing? I mean, I think I agree with a lot of what he says about if you're more attractive, you'll get treated better generally. Yeah.

I think the biggest, most valuable thing of when you look maxing is your self-esteem and your confidence goes up. That's so important to anything in life. Like just presenting yourself with confidence. You know, so if people are thinking about look maxing, they probably are struggling with some insecurities. And, you know, they want to, because that's what people are looking at maxing to do ultimately, like to improve their self-esteem and their confidence. So I think that's a very valuable thing to work on. I mean, but his approach with like taking the drugs he's using and like he does some stuff, I think just to go viral.

I don't agree with that stuff. But the message he's pushing, I think is good. Yeah. I'm just always like, because I've had him on the pot. I'll probably have him on again. I think I'm supposed to go do one of his part of his 30 day stream. But is like the gym. Like, why are you not just crushing in the gym?

I feel like that's the best way. It is. It's hard, but that's the best way. It is. I guess people want the easy way, you know, like, how can they like look max without putting in any real effort? As much, yeah. You know, without like, like, because going to the gym, like you said, it's, it's the best way, but it's also the most challenging. Like, you have to lock in your nutrition, your recovery, your training. You can't half acid to get results. You have to really lock in.

And, like, you know, getting fucking surgery or hair transplants or, like, doing, like, cosmetic procedures, like kind of circumvents up. Like, you can kind of enhance your appearance. but I think what's going to make you look the best is just a good old fashioned workout and eaten right. Yeah. You mentioned recovery. Obviously, you're super genetically gifted

to be able to have done what you've done. But what do you think, like recovery-wise, you did throughout your career that helped you the most? I think not overtraining and having good programming. You didn't over-trained? I didn't, actually.

No, dude. Yeah, yeah. That's how I was able to do the feats of strength that I did. So I see it all too often, guys think more is better the bench squat down three, four times a week, and they think, well, by outwork everybody, I'll be stronger than everybody, which couldn't be further from the truth.

And many guys are world-class strong without even being on a good training program. And this isn't even to promote my shit. I don't even sell programs right now. I haven't in years. I don't do one-to-one coaching right now. I'm building a coaching page, but I haven't even offered it yet. So I'm just saying this to help the guys,

I think more is better and to outwork everybody by just training more frequently, which ends up. leading's over training and when you're over training you get injured and that's and ends up scaring guys away from doing strength training you know because they stop good of the injuries you know and they can't train so they walk away from it and start doing bodybuilding um but a good program helps you understand how to peak so you're prepared for those two feats of strength you know and i mean when i was powerlifting um i was only maxing out you know a couple of times a month

whereas like i meet many guys they max out like every single session they think going to be stronger than last session. You know, if they just eat a little bit more, just push a little bit harder, take a little bit more pre-workout, but they don't understand programming. And that's the most important thing about getting stronger. Yeah. And with the recovery side, just getting enough sleep and eating enough is all you really need to do.

Cold plunge, hot and cold therapy, infrared. I don't think any of that's effective enough to even recommend it to anybody. But I do think, like, programming and nutrition is all you really need. Yeah. I do all that other stuff too. I love all that other stuff, but I've always just kind of like try to do as much as I could.

Yeah, I think a cold plunge, for example, is great for like a natural body high and get the best sleep when I do it. But like for recovery, from training, I think it actually stops

the body natural process of for recovering. Like it's, it cuts off that signal for your body to recover. The cold plunge specifically. Yeah, the cold plunge. Yeah,

they've shown that. So what about the sauna? Sauna things great, pre-workout, especially if your gym's always too cold. Like cold muscles are more prone to injury at the Natalastic.

And when you, like, if you have a gym with a really hot steam sauna, very few do, like, take advantage of that, you know, like, sitting there for 10, 15 minutes, stretch in there, do your wamp in there, and then go hit the gym, get your workout in, you know? Then you be all fucking sweaty. I mean, but if you're having a hard workout, you should be sweaty, right? It should be breaking a sweat. That's true. So to guys, because I get, I get asked this question all the time.

Like, guys will come up to me at the gym, no matter where I'm at any gym and be like, what's, like, what's the secret? How do I get, how do I either lose weight or how do I build muscle? Like, what's the best sort of programming? Because I always tend to lead in one direction, but I'm curious in your opinion. The best sort of programming, well, there's so many programs. Like to focus on. What do you think the best thing to focus on is? I think as a younger guy. Sure. I would focus on sticking to the plan. That's where I met many of my shortcomings is I would get hyped up by my gym bro, my training partners. I would get too excited and try and peek too soon.

I'd, you know, in the program would say you're going to attempt this max in several weeks, but I would think, well, I feel strong today, so let me try it now. You know, or program would say, just do three reps, but I feel so strong and do four or five. And that leads to peaking too soon, over training and what I was just talking about. So like a lot of programs are out there. Just whatever you decide to choose, like a lot of them work if you stick to it. I think many people are overthink things and they overanalyze and they think maybe they start doubting themselves the product doesn't come fast enough so just if you're going to hop on a training program just like see it through to the end yeah you know because i can recommend a bunch of different

training programs you know i've used i've tried countless you know and the ones that work are the ones i stick to never had bad results from a training program if that makes sense if i follow through yeah i see you know what i mean so um i wouldn't overthink it you know just do what you think works best for you and your goals because there are so many ways to approach um training depending on what your specific goals are you trying are you trying to get your squat stronger your bench your devil strong or do all three like what do you want to do like because every lip requires a different program you know so i figure that out but not overthinking and like don't go switching from program to program yeah and then for gaining muscle um not missing meals yeah that's the biggest one uh that's the

hardest one right because it's easy for the first couple of weeks but then when the scale stops moving you don't see changes immediately you know you start being a little relaxed and comfortable with your diet that you start like forgetting to get meals or shakes in and those missed meals and shakes add up and the next you know like you plateaued so i think what separates the guys they get huge and the ones that stay skinny is they hold themselves accountable they track their meals and they regimened you know a lot of byblers i know like legit have alarms on their phone like that go off in case they forget or they get busy you know whatever like it's in the way and they just stay locked in and six nine 12 three six nine they get meals in every three hours yeah i still remember

when i was drinking fucking olive oil just to get enough calories on bro oh my god bro What about milk? We ever drinking milk? Just like a gallon of milk a day. I did that for a while. Yeah, I tried that. I just remember just, yeah, food, because that was by far the hardest thing for me to do was just eat enough.

So what I figured out is I've tried the dirty bulk approach. It doesn't last because the scale will go up fast, right? But then you feel like shit. You don't sleep good. Your skin's horrible. You look like shit. And it's not sustainable. And not to mention, it's very exciting.

if you're just eating fast food and bullshit all day and you're not preparing any of your meals doing shakes. So what I found to work the best for me is to make my own shakes with like carboline, peanut butter, banana, protein powder, 2,000 calories per shake. And carbolin, unlike Vitargo and other carb powders, it doesn't change the consistency of the shake. So it's just as thin as water,

so you can chug it within seconds. And it's like this thick sludge that shakes have, like when you use Vitargo, for example, that can take you like 30 to 40 minutes you eat it 40 minutes a sip on good. It's like so thick. It's so dense. It's so rich.

And I use unflavored protein and carb powder. So the flavor is not too potent and I don't get sick of it too fast. Yeah. You know, so these little changes make a huge difference in making it sustainable, right? Because if it's too sweet, it's too thick. It's just a matter of when you get tired of it. And then it's when you're bulking,

it's like how long can you do it for? Because as long as you can sustain it, like that's how big you can get. But if you get burned out after a couple of weeks and you just go back to your eating habits, you lose all that progress and you plateau. Yeah. and you're right back where you started if you give up.

So like what's the diet you can stick to is the one that works. And I find like two shakes a day, four meals, easy. Like I'm on like about 6,000 calories a day right now and about 30% of those collars are from liquids. And that's what I need to be in a surplus. And it's easy. Whereas like in the past I was trying to get all my meals in from chicken, beef, fish, and rice or potatoes.

And it was miserable because when you're trying to get in four or five, six thousand calories a day from clean sources, the volume of food in your place is tremendous. And like literally can take you. you 40 minutes of like, just slugging away, like, you know, and it's so time-suming and it's miserable because the food tastes like shit after you're having the same few meals every day and it's such a big quantity of it. So like to make it easier, I just make my own shakes.

I like the way I mentioned and I think that worked for literally anybody because I've tried all the other approaches for bulking, you know? And on paper, yeah, like getting in like all your meals from solid food is ideal, but very few can stick to that for more than a couple of weeks. Yeah. What about nutrient timing?

Were you ever big on that? No, I think just being consistent with like how often you feed yourself is bit more important than the timing when you have your meal. I mean, that is timing like every three hours like six, nine, 12, for example, I get my meals and I get my shake in, you know, and just make that a habit. I think that's more important overall than like when you get it. 100%. Like you're sticking to a schedule, you know, and when you do that, you don't have to think about it

as much, you know, it's just like automatic. Like, you know, I wake up at the same time every month. morning, have to my mood at the same time every day, and I'm really have to overthink it. Like, I just eat the same foods, I drink the same shakes. It's easy. Yeah, that's funny. That's probably the hard part for a lot of people. That's where you're like a little psycho, but like that's like why it works. You feel like, I don't even care. I just need this. Because that's what, but if you really want that effect from the body, you need to be a little bit just like, this is what I need. I don't need to delve in all this, like it has to taste this

way or be this fancy. You kind of just like, this is what I need for this fuel and that's it. Right. And that's what works, man. It's just like, I don't think a lot of people can get that switch where it's like, all right, I just have to accept this. Right. So that's the hard part. But what I was going to say was for the younger guys, the thing I always had this conversation when they'll ask me, like, what should they focus on? I think strength is the most important thing to focus on when you're younger. Agreed.

Because you need to take advantage of being fearless when you're young. Because as you get older, as you and I both know, we spoke about, it goes away. It's not going to be there forever. There are some guys doing strong men to this day in their 50s. I don't know how the hell they're doing it. like Nick Best for example Mark Felix Yeah that's insane

Literally in it Mark is almost 60 years old Still competing at the world struggle as man And that's fucking That's like what? Yeah it's insane It's crazy You know I don't I can't explain

How they're still you know able to turn off that switch About getting hurt And you know The things I think about Not going into big lifts But I think take advantage Of that fearlessness

That drive while you can You know before it's too late Strength Yeah you know And I think many teenagers here's guys in their 20s or ego-driven, something to prove. Like, prove it, you know. Yeah.

Do it why you can. Do it why you care. Because once you lose that edge, you know, you may never get it back. So, yeah. Real as fuck, man. Yeah. So what, what are you working on that's, that's, that people might not know about anything new that you're working on?

Anything new I'm working on. I know you mentioned a neon about opening up a gym near me. That was like jokingly. I'm just kidding. Yeah, it's actually going to be in Woodland Hills. in my own location Oh, that's funny, down the street. I love it.

No jokes, but it's probably going to be in Monrovia. We're still negotiating the lease. I think it's like an hour from zoo or some shit. Yeah, yeah. But it's like close to Pasadena. And we're negotiating the least. Look, we've been, I mean, I don't know if you've been trying to expand zoo.

Yeah. But the most challenging part that we never saw coming was like getting another location. Like we have the capital. We're ready. We've been ready for a year. Yeah. And we've been through literally like a dozen different leases.

And then like right when we think we're about to sign like another competitor comes in, like floor and decor or whatever, like that does an ETI that is ready to move in immediately and we lose. And they're also more qualified. They've been business for longer. They're more locations. Yeah. And we're more credible. And we lose every time. You know, so us being a new business, two years will be in June.

We don't have much leverage. Like into a landowner, we're a high risk business. So if another more established business comes in, that doesn't need to yet, it's been around. for a long time. It's a no brain for the landlord. And yeah. Yeah. So that's what we've been struggling with. Yeah. My issue in Miami's fucking permitting for this fucking handicap shit.

It's the worst because the location that we have is like it's like a box. We have to build this. We have like a lift in there because it was an old warehouse. And I'm like trying to think creatively. Can I just like keep this old lift? Because it would be cool. But I don't even know around that. Like if there's certain handicaps

specifications that you have to have a certain thing. Like it has to be. Because it's not enclosed. It's like we would have to build something, I think. Yeah. But it could be cool. Like I could do something cool. But you gotta think it's a lift that was meant to just like lift boxes up to the second floor. Yeah.

And I'm just like, fuck. I don't know if we can make that work. Because that's the worst part about, yeah, doing the business stuff is, is the city, is the permitting, like the leasing shit is, it can be a hassle for sure. But I'm excited for Miami. I'm really excited to open that fucking gym out there. I don't even working on it. Is it been the same location you've been like moving around?

There was, no, there was two original locations. And again, kind of the similar stuff you were talking about. Just issues with landlords and like, yeah, picking different businesses. And then the one that we're settled on now, which is, it's good now. It's just like the structuring of this handicap accessibility stuff is such a pain in the ass in Miami. Sure. I don't know why. I mean, well, the location.

If it was just like a, you know, how the gym is in Encino. And I think your gym too, you just walk in. Yeah. But the fact that this is a multiple story spot, it makes it a little bit more complicated, but I'll figure it out. It'll be good. Was it a preexisting gym or was it like a big? No, it was a warehouse. Okay.

Yeah. So, yeah. We got to get your CUP and do all that. Yeah, we need it all. We got to change everything. So that's, that's a little bit of a hassle. But it'll be good. It'll be good.

I'm excited for it. Would you ever move down there or would you stay here? I will be there for probably like half the year, at least when I open the gym, I'll be there for, yeah, probably like a good six months. Oh, okay. You know, do the marketing stuff and show up. Yeah. I like it out there.

As far as living in Miami, that's a whole other question. I think I could like live on the outskirts. Even just like L.A., it's the same way. Like, you notice I don't live in L.A. L.A., right? Right. I like to live outside of the sort of bullshit just because I'm just past it. I've done all that, like in L.A., specifically. And in Miami, it's the same thing.

Like I've spent a lot of time in Brickle with Steve. We're filming all this content. and I like it, but it's a lot. It's just like more than I want to be around all the time. So I think I would get something if I would live on the outskirts and then, you know, travel in. You know, I'm on the same me. Why live where I live?

Yeah. You know. I like to chill, man. 100%. Peace of line. I play video games, eat some food. Your best life, man. Yeah, hell yeah.

It's good. So the gym, anything else? Right now. Yeah, I can mention that. I just released my ratchet belt. and we just got a patent approved for the U.S. Nice. We're really proud of that.

But beyond that, yeah, that's the two biggest projects working on. Yeah, fair. Okay, with live streaming, what do you, do you have any, like, big plans for that? Or is it just kind of like continue as usual,

what you're doing? We want to do international trips monthly. We wanted to go to like the Amazon, visit tribe, like do fun shit that we were planning and doing for free anyways, like things that we would have done even if we weren't getting, you know,

like incentive to do it. Like we want to go to the Northern Alliance and go to Norwood. way in the summer we're going to survey it to do stuff with Bacca Prase that we wanted to always meet you know so like we're kind of planning things that would have done regardless of the incentive yeah because if we're not enjoying it the fans will see it you know they're not they're not dumb they can see on my face like if I don't want to do something like well he doesn't want to do this shit like we can see it on your face so yeah it got to be things I genuinely want

to do so that's the approach we're having and I can't say how big we're going to get I'm not going to make claim we're going to be the next biggest streamers um we're going to do fun shit, you know, and it's not going to be like GMIRLs and a lot of gaming streams, a lot of stream with Rampage and probably Dean and a lot of international travel. Do you think you ever slap Dean again? Probably. Yeah. Might elbow him next time. Yeah, it hit a world, bro. That elbow was so crazy and viral the next day, like, such a vicious elbow. It was, man. The way he dropped the drink was so smooth. He was just like, bang. He picked the most dangerous guy at the house. Yeah, like, what the fuck are you doing?

That's pretty funny. That was funny, man. He's fun to stream with, though. He is. No one says to anywhere more than him, though. Did he say it a lot on the pod? No, well, that was Steinies. No, he didn't really, no.

It wasn't that bad. He's funny, though. He gets it. He gets the whole. I feel like he doesn't even care. I don't care at all. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, I don't know. I don't know what's going on in his head, but he's funny.

He's funny. Yeah. Well, there's something else I want to say. I appreciate. I saw a video of you doing a podcast talking to someone and saying that, like I helped you early on when you were, you know, figuring out the whole space. I just want to tell you thank you for doing that. I appreciate that.

Oh, my pleasure. Always give credit words to do. Yeah. I respect the fuck out of you for that, you know. And you've, um, you saw value in me when not many others did and helped me realize my potential and always be grateful. Yeah. Thank you for that.

For real. That made a lot to me. I saw I was like, damn. I really, I really want to say thank you. It's just, have you, have you experienced anything, um, throughout your time on social media, where you felt like you were taking advantage of? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't want to name, like, drop names or like talk about anything, any specifics, but absolutely 100%. And it happens most when like you're blown up. When brands and people know you don't know your value yet. Yeah. You know? And yeah.

Yeah. I leave it at that. Yeah. Fair. Fair. Yeah. What would you, what would you say to the people coming up as far as knowing what to look for?

I would say like utilized. is the network you have. And I mean, ask other creators about their experience with various brands and like pick their brain, you know, and it's like the most valuable thing you probably have is your network.

So use it because I would like to say to get a mentor like, you know, how you help me, but it's not always available for everybody immediately. So just use your network, ask questions, you know,

always be a student and don't just take what's given to you. Yeah. Try to get, it's almost like the fucking bicepter and get other opinions. Yeah, 100%. You know, don't go in fine. We'll just take one opinion.

Don't let any one person tell you your worth. Like, ask around. Yeah, you know? For sure. Yeah. What else has social media? Has social media taught you anything about yourself that you find super important? Because you've been in the game for a fucking minute now.

That I need to help more people. I mean, the most fulfilling moment of my life was being a part of Andrew's come up. And when I met him, he was a PT. He didn't want to compete. He had no social media. And I always looked back. at that time of my life where I worked closely with him and I encouraged him to make an Instagram account. I said, hey, you're going to be Andrew Jacks, not Cheney-Doo.

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah. The guy came to my gym like, I don't know how many months ago. I think he was prepping for the Olympia or something. Yeah. He's really nice dude. He's so nice. And he at that time was just so resistant to, I think, change in general. He didn't want to compete, didn't want to make social media, but I talked him into it. And I think that was such, I was so proud that he followed through because now he just won the Arnold

and the biggest, the biggest prize spot ever in bodybuilding. Yeah. And he's on his way to be becoming Mr. Olympia as well. But like from where I met him to where he's at today, like every time I see him succeed at what he's trying to accomplish in bodybuilding,

it makes me really happy. You know, and I wish I could do that for more people. Yeah. So when you first met him, he wasn't like, I mean, I'm assuming he was Jack, but he wasn't like, I guess he just wasn't doing social media. He was resistant to it. He wasn't doing social media at all. He had never made a social media count anyone, any platform, which was shocking. And I think it's the first person I meant that hasn't. And he never competed in bodybuilding. But when I saw him, he must be a pro bodybuilder and an Olympian because his shape was so extraordinary. He was so gifted. Like, everything was perfect. You know, and like, this guy's got to be somebody. but when he told me he never competed and he had on social media like why I just like you have to dude do you know what you have

he was like a real ass bodybuilder then yeah he's just doing it for love of the sport love of the game like dude like you don't understand what you could do man and I was right yeah and you follow through man he fucking he's a man right now yeah and he's a nice fucking guy like I said when I met him I was like this guy's really really just

kind yeah um so are you would you ever not it sounds so corny but not courses but would you ever try to involve more people along the way with your journey now to help? Yeah, and I was, I always considered courses, like one-to-one coaching, but I want to be able to like work very intimately with somebody like I did with Andrew, like because I would feel guilty taking someone's money and maybe they don't have the

potential that they think they do to get to where someone like Andrew did, you know? Yeah. And it's just like, how do you discover more people like Andrew that really have that star power and that can are extraordinary you know i haven't figured out how to like make that sustainable and i don't want to just do it for a bag you know and if i did i don't think i'd be able to get results for everybody you know yeah so um i'm working on that you know but i maybe it's just something i do like pro bono maybe i don't or maybe uh i don't know i haven't figured it out i haven't figured it out but yeah i know that direction will make me feel good yeah what do you what do you

think as far as not obviously bodybuilding's a little bit more specific because you could see it on someone like oh they have this potential but for social media what do you think are the things that you'd find in someone to go oh this person has it now i think the whole package charisma um verbal fluency you know being able to articulate the way they feel clearly i think it's huge for connecting with fans you know and building an audience um that can be monetized you know that will support you you know um because how long are you're going to do it if you're not getting paid you know if you can't a living from it. So I think that's really important. And then of course, like creativity, and just being willing to learn, you know, not having an ego and thinking that everything they

know is best. That's, I think, surprisingly common. I think many believe that, you know, what they're doing is right and they're resistant to trying, you know, someone else's approach, or they're resistant to change because maybe something they've done has worked before. They want to keep running into the ground. So just like being free of ego and, open to opinion and being teachable. I think that's huge. Yeah, you know,

it's funny you mentioned that because when I first met you, that's what I noticed most besides like your ability and your strengths, but you're probably one of the most cultural people I've ever met. Like, and like just even though you had, you know, the strength,

the size, like you could be like, no, I know what I'm doing is right. I remember every time I would speak to you early on, you were always just like willing to learn. Yeah. Like you had that.

You had that, I think like probably, probably your whole life. I think when you stop learning, you stop growing, you know? And as a creator, like, trends move so fast. And you need to be willing to pivot and change. And it's uncomfortable changing, especially when content, when you, like, you figured it out and everything's been working up until a certain point. Like, damn, like, why is not working anymore?

And you're maybe a bit afraid to change. You know, like, it's been difficult for me to make the decision to do streaming because it's such a big departure from the content was making before, but everything has gone up ever since. And it's been like one of the best signatures I made. But before I did it, it was so uncomfortable. Like I don't know, I'm gonna get maybe a lot of hate, it's not gonna, maybe what doesn't work out?

What if people drop me? What if, you know, all these, what ifs, you know? And I think that's what separates like the top creators from the ones that are like plateauing is like they're willing to change. Yeah. And change in uncomfortable. It's challenging. Yeah, that's a fact.

I mean, the bodybuilding taught you that, but. Yeah. So you've noticed the streaming has helped, like, grow your other platforms? I mean, just in a nutshell, I went from on Instagram alone, like 30 mil a month to like a quarter billion. So my views skyrocketed there. And then, you know, when you're on kick, you're in a clipping community, like 5,000 clippers. Like a half a billion the last month from the clipping clips there. So, like, my exposure has been tremendous.

I'm getting people stop me in the street now. They don't even work out. Like, did you slap guy? Like, more people are stopping out from the slap than my beats of strength or anything you've done. Now you know my life. Yeah. Every person, every kid. Yo, you slapped that dude.

Legit. Yeah, dude. I can relate now. And it's like, hey, I did some cool shit and bodybuilding power thing. Like, did you see that? Like, no, but you slapped him. All right. So it's like Rampage has done UFC to such a high level, but even still the new generation,

know him as a streamer. Yeah, which is nuts. No idea he was a badass UFC fighter. Like that was, you know. Yeah, one of the dopest. Yeah, like a legend. And also like, yeah, one of the most. popular, I'd say too, at a point.

It goes back to your point. This is how you reach the next generation. Yeah. Right? Like my, like, when we were coming up in our 20s, those same people are our age. They're aging out. They've got families, careers now.

You know, they moved on to other things for the most part. Maybe they watched us casually, but like to reach that next, the next generation, it's streaming. Yeah. I think without a doubt too. You know? It doesn't kind of piss you off a little bit.

They don't know about the feats. I'm like, bro, what about these? What about this cool shit I did? You know, the motherfuckerbook is like, only my generation, the older generation, knows about it. I'm like, fuck, dude. I know. But then I guess you can just recycle

content, I don't know. I'd do that. I've repost my shit all the time. Yeah. It still gets visible. Yeah. Fuck. I just wish they knew, bro. I wish they knew how strong I was. All the girls you lifted. Yeah, bro. Fuck, I did so much fucking crazy stupid shit, man. Yeah. It's funny looking back at it. You're just like, damn. It's cool. I'm grateful for that time. It was a good time, man.

Is there anything you wish you would have done differently? I only regret the things I didn't do. Yeah. You know, I was just asking another pod on Jack Neal's pod, like, would you go back and not do steroids? Like, fuck no. Like, I would maybe change how I did it. But again, I only regret the things I didn't do. You know, again, I wish I had more people coming up because I'd have more moments to look back on what I can do.

Like I can now with Andrew, I bet you feel the same way. Like, you know, when you look at my success and various things that you can, you know, knowing you had a big part of that, you know, it probably makes you feel good. And yeah, absolutely. just one of many people, you know, so. And that's why I want to say thank you, you know. Because, yeah, there's a, I mean, I have a lot of people for sure, like many, many people. It's nice when they, when they say, you know, this was, this person helped me.

Yeah. That felt good for sure. You know. And that's why, like, really big time, why I hit you was like, I really want to do this spot because I just want to say thank you for doing that. And it's cool to know that you, at this point, after doing all the fucking dope shit you've done that, I mean, bro, you, at one point, easily. where the strongest guy on the internet

they the internet knew about after me you did it and then you did more which was amazing I was a little bit like fuck I didn't do that but it's cool to see that you come from that too to now be in this position where you're like obviously doing the streaming but wanting to help more people kind of not necessarily be

in the same position as you but just make their lives better exactly just want to make an impact in positive way in some select people yeah and that's a beautiful thing man and I think I think like when you get there like ironically enough that's sort of the point of everything yeah because when it's all set and done like the people you know that stay behind or that recognize the help that you've given or the guidance that you've shown the love that you've given like that's kind of what it's all about

like there's nothing else i mean money you've made it i'm sure you could always make more anyone could always make more at a point but um it's good to see there's people that are focusing on the things that actually really do more good in the long run instead of just making more more money. Yeah. You know, 100%. So I'm glad you're that way. I'm glad you that way for sure. And I think that will continue to add a lot more success to you for sure. Yeah, I think it's a root of it. We got to do a stream soon. Do it, man. Maybe we do a lifting stream. Fuck. A gym IRO? Okay. Yeah. Yo, speaking of lifting, you, you did the, you did the diamond gym thing and you're, you're, uh, I forget what you said, but you had a response to it about,

like, the workout itself. You didn't really like it or? I didn't at all. Yeah. I like the message they're pushing. Yeah. Like get comfortable being uncomfortable, right? Yes. I love that message. I mean,

I think I was preaching that today for a bit. But I don't like burpees and hills france. Who likes that shit? I mean, I don't like that at all. Yeah. Everything outside of the burpees and hillsprins, yeah,

fuck with it. I can do 50, 100 reps stats, get a crazy pump. That's cool. But the perpies and hill sprint, they're not drinking water shit. Like,

no, I don't like that shit. You guys drink water. That's bullshit. At least let me drink water doing this shit. I was worried about I'm going to drop dead or some shit. And it was like right off a flight from LA and like I had my suitcase, my carry on. I like, I was probably dehydrated anyway and then can't drink.

Why does that the workout? I got a couple of chips in when I'm looking though, but. It wasn't enough, you know. Did, uh, did, uh, did Unk do the hill sprints and the burpees with you? Like, you know, a little bit. You know, he didn't do as much as the rest of us. He just jumped in at the end. He's big.

He's a big boy. I wasn't expecting to be that big. He'd like 300 plus. Really? He's huge. Yeah. Holy shit. Do you know how old he is?

he's got to be in his 40s. He's got a lot of grace. Damn, he's still crushing it. Yeah. Yeah, he is. That's cool. It is cool to see, though, the new versions of, like, what's popular. Because, like, for me, when I look at that, it reminds me of the era that I was in with, like, Mike Rashid.

I guess even, like, Big Boy was towards the end of that. But it was just, like, these crazy workouts that I remember doing it MetroFlex. Yeah. Crazy benchoffs, like, that sort of shit. It's, like, that new version. version, you know, it's cool to see how it comes back in cycles or it's like, oh, this is what people like again. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, do they like, is it like, like, bunch of people suffer or they like, what do they like so much about it? Probably that. Probably just like the, the idea that you have to push yourself to that insane level to get what you want out of yourself, I guess. Yeah. I think that's what it is.

It's like just people going to like in crazy measures. I think, because obviously we know people like drama, people like all this other bullshit on the internet, but I think it's seeing someone push themselves to an insane, I mean, the reason why you have your success, too, is like you essentially did that in a bunch of different ways, whether, you know, you did the power lifting stuff to such a high level, and then you did the bodybuilding, and then you did the, oh, excuse me, I think it was powerlifting, strong man, then bodybuilding. Yeah, that's right, in that order.

So I think it's the same concept. It's just like, you know, obviously it's a new time and there's new people who are watching and they're like, oh, this is it now, right? Because you're not still doing that. I'm not still doing the thing that I was doing. then, but it's cool to see it come back around where it's popular again. Yeah, more than ever. But burpees, dude, fuck them.

Yeah, dude. Have you been to diabetes? No, I'm supposed to go. Oh, man. And I'm just like, I don't want to do the burpees. All right. I don't even want to say this on the puck because I know they're going to be like,

do the fucking burpees. 100%. I mean, you do everything you don't want to do. I didn't do that day that I was good at. Everything was like this shit I'm terrible at. Fuck. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess don't get blaze up before you go. That's what I could say.

No, dude. Oh, I'm a fucking pen. panic attack? Fuck that, dude. I'll fucking have a heart attack if I smoke so we before I go. Oh, man. Do you still smoke? I do like gummies with at night of the way. Yeah. Smoking for me, if I do it, I can't control it. Something about like the ritual of rolling up, inhaling the smoke is so addictive for me. So you do a lot of it. What's that? If you smoke, you smoke a lot. I do too much. Yeah. And I get way too high in panic and shit. And when I do a gummy, it's like the same dose every time. Consistent, yeah. It sounds addictive. It's a dick thing. I find me.

Like I can have like one once in a few days and I feel fine, you know. Yeah, I was always such a lightweight, man. I had to take like two hits and be like, I'm going to die of a heart attack. But you stopped? Yeah, because I would be so anxious. I would get so much anxiety around smoking. I don't know why. So I would do that, but keep on doing it until it's gone.

Yeah, you are insane. You're like, I'm going to go directly through this shit. Yeah, I was hooked, man. I was hooked. Vic, you don't make sense. I just had to finish it. I really loved the feeling of hot smoke in my lungs. I did, dude.

Even if it made me almost called, I never did, but I almost called the ambulance like so many times. Oh, I have. So many times. I have. I've been there. I've gone to the, I've, dude,

well, this wasn't even from smoking. This was just from like, I think at this point I was, I must have been fucking up my dosing. I must have been fucking up my opinion. But I remember at one point I went to the ER like three nights, four nights in a row.

No, I swear to God. What was happening? Like heart palpitations. Yeah, I was just like, this don't feel normal. like exactly that.

And so I would go there and they'd be like, I went to the same place. I'm not kidding, four nights in a row, like literally. And I remember the nurse was like, you're just like, are you smoking weed? I think like one of the nights I was. And she was like, you're just fucking paranoid.

Like you're anxious. They tried to give me like an adivant to go to sleep. And that helped obviously because it knocks you out. But yeah, man, I always had a hard time with smoke. Like I got, it's like sometimes it would be good. And then most of the time was terrible. So I just gave it out.

Or you don't smoke at all anymore. Not even gummies? No, like maybe once in a while. Because I remember at one point, I was going to goals in North Hollywood back when the gym was really good and they didn't remodly. They fucked it all up now.

But I would smoke and work out for like a month. I just for like a month straight. Those are some of the best workouts I've ever had. Were you gaming? Really? Okay, maybe I could see that. Not strength. I wasn't trying to squat heavy.

I wasn't, maybe I was deadly heavy sometimes, but it was mostly just like bodybuilding. You never smoked and tried bodybuilding? I tried. I just made me so lazy. I couldn't push. Maybe I could have smoked too much. Yeah.

I probably got too high. That was the key. For me, it was like just enough. And I would have, if I did it, I'm not recommending people smoke and work out necessarily,

but there was a point where it worked for me where like I would smoke and I would go straight to the working out. And it was like perfect. The pumps were per, like I couldn't believe how much I could do. Because you know, you get that,

that my muscle connection. Yeah. It just feels better. So you want to do more. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah,

hurt. But it was also, it was a good hurt where you're like, this is, this is, I'm getting the fucking pump from it. But yeah, and then I just stopped because it was, it got to the point where I was, I was like smoking all day. Because I was, because I would go to the gym in the morning. So I'd smoke in the morning. I was like, all right. It's also night time. I'm trying to fuck so I'm going to smoke. It was bad, dude. Yeah. So I had to give it up completely. Now I just do mushrooms. Mushrooms. Yeah. Do you do any before the pod?

No. No. No, I did some yesterday. But it's, I don't do a lot. I don't do like mushrooms where people get all crazy. It's like microdoseable. You have the powder and you dose it. Yes, microdosing. I've done the crazy doses when I was like in my early 20s. And those are just insane experiences. I tried, but I never got so high mushrooms where I could see anything change, like any visuals. My wife did. She had a horrible trip.

But even just a little bit, it makes me so anxious, even worse than THC. So I can't do it unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. Even a microdose? Maybe having microdose like small enough. Maybe even like my microdose isn't small enough of a dose, you know? Fair. Like I do like 2MG of THC when I do it.

Yeah, that's, oh, when you do the edibles. Yeah. That's like all I could eat. Yeah. If I ate five, I'm at the hospital. I don't guys have like 50 MG, dude. Like, some people have such a crazy tolerance for it. Bro, Steve will do it as the most insane tolerance I've ever seen of a person.

Or didn't like get famous for like downing bottles of alcohol on a crazy shit? Yeah, bro. He's, I mean, he's got some gene in his body that's just like he's a fucking, I don't know, a drug warrior. I don't know how the fuck he does it. Because, yeah, I've seen him eat like hundreds of milligrams of edibles. Oh, my God, dude. For a YouTube video, like this back in the day.

And I was like, this is the most insane thing ever. Oh, I couldn't believe it. Damn. That's some real shit. It's crazy in the shit I've done, like a piece of strength. Like that, to me, it would be more scary. Well, scary, yeah. Yeah.

Nah, the feature strength are, no. Maybe that's, I'm biased on that one because it's, I think it's so cool, the feats of strength. It's cool. That's more extreme, though. That's fucking, I wouldn't dare to do that. I could. No bottle slams for you? I could.

A bottle slam? I could. I could do a bottle. Not, but the THC, I could hold my liquor. I go my liquor, really good. Yeah? Really good, yeah. But I don't drink for that reason because it takes me so much to get drunk.

I don't even bother. Yeah, I can't. So you don't have any other vices. You don't have vices anymore. No, no vices. No vices. Yeah. It's so weird.

I grew up thinking like everyone has a vice and deserves one, but like fuck that. Like we don't need a vice. It's just a coping mechanism. Yeah. You know, and I learned how to cope with negative emotions without needing substance to do it, you know. Yeah. What did you, what did you do? develop. What did you learn? Breathing, like deep breathing, meditating,

phoning a friend, talking with my wife, socializing is powerful. Like, socializing feels good. And it takes your mind of whatever you're obsessing over and like talking things out sometimes can make all the difference. Then just isolating with your own negative thoughts. And then when you isolate, you tend to like think about maybe it's important. Maybe it puts a video games. Maybe I'll get high for a bit, you know? So I find like socializing to be in the most effective way. Socializing and meditation. Yeah. That's dude. Those are the two things that got me out of like my, because I had a period in my life. It must have been in my later 20s

where I had the worst anxiety. Like, felt like almost every other day I would have like some panic attack or some anxiety feeling. And maybe just because what I was doing, maybe it was the hormones. But you're exactly right. The meditating is the one thing that I developed

with, it comes back to the breathing and the communicating, like getting someone to help you get out of your own mind, your own thoughts. Yeah. Help me out so much, man. Yeah, so effective. So that's why I go back to what I was

like where you need a strong support system you know you need like can't get out of addiction um or like those dark places we all and eventually end up at alone you know yeah you know usually nothing good comes from isolating yeah yeah yeah i did yeah fuck it's crazy man yeah i remember i have those crazy ass anxiety nights i'm like dude i just need someone to come fucking tell me something else other than when i'm thinking yeah see get out of that loop but it works doesn't matter who it is i find like anyone yeah overthink guys are just anyone you know do you have have you noticed on social media not on social media but in your life and because you do social media do you find it hard to have real friends i think just the dynamic changed um where my friends just all are like business partners

associates people that are other creators i film with so i said i might be sure if that's a friendship it's a relationship of some sort. Yeah. With like a mutual gain from it. But ever since my friend Black Tom Cruise passed away, there hasn't been someone that I've befriended where there isn't mutual gain, like financial benefit from me being,

spending time with them on some level. You know, that was the only person where like neither of us gained really anything besides like just support and having a good time from the relationship who weren't making money from one another. We were in partners and anything. So that was like the last, I guess pure friendship that I yeah excuse my ignorance was it a was it a car crash it was it was a car crash

damn yeah that because I remember you guys were like super close yeah he played such a big role and making content for me fun because he had such a big person like rampage rampage reminds me a lot of him actually yeah um and that's probably why I like rampage so much you know and um they share a lot of the same characteristics where like my friend odis back time cruz and when people don't even know was a real name, I think, but his name was Otis. And he just, you know, RIP, he just loved to make people laugh and make people feel good. And he was really good at it.

So I think that's what's missing from a lot of people with training today is they just isolate, they train alone. They don't have a group they train. We have, like, my best memories from my career are, of course, yeah, the PRs, but like spending time with people that, like, make me laugh, make me feel good.

And the worst times are just training alone. It's boring. nothing to look forward to. Yeah. You know, and after opening a gym, most of my sessions are alone. So I'm working on building that community again where I have a crew that I train with

and that makes all the difference. And Black Tom Cruise was a big part of not only my success coming up as a creator, but just making it fun, like making me look forward to training because of course I look forward to the big lifts and doing some crazy shit, but I would look forward to like,

what's you going to say next? What's going to say this time? But Kanye, what's going to come out of his mouth? Seriously, like every session, like me some crew, Preedy would say like that would make me crack up dying laughing and like this guy is so much fun, you know, and I haven't experienced that. Have you always had the same laugh your whole life? Same laugh. Yeah, it's never changed. I don't know. People make so many, I had an Instagram page once with it's a laugh of ladder wheels. I'm like, what's so fascinating about my laugh? I haven't figured it out. I think it's a normal laugh. It's just it's the deep. It's the deep. It's a stairway laugh. Now, because I was streaming once and I think I kind of hit the laugh a little bit similar to you and they're like, They were like, I knew it.

It's a fucking steroid laugh. Oh, but it hasn't gotten deeper when I was on more steroids. Like when I'm on more shit, it does get deeper. It's crazy. Well, that's like your voice in general does that. Yeah. Because of the fucking gear. Yeah, for sure.

And maybe this is, well, we'll talk about it anyways. What do you think are, I don't want to say the best steroids? Because that's like such a shitty way to say. It seems like I'm encouraging it. But for you, what showed you the greatest benefit, the gear that. that you've used over the time. Treadmalone, by far, whether it was for body composition, or getting stronger.

By the way, guys, I'm not saying you need to go do this. I want to ask this question. Whether it was for body composition or for getting stronger, Trembalone got me the most dramatic results in the shortest amount of time. What I learned later on in my life is I didn't need to use it for as long as I did to get those results.

For example, early on, when I first started experimenting with, I would run it for eight to 12 weeks. And then by the second, week the sides come on full steam and you feel terrible insomnia anxiety skin the night sweats the nights waking up in a pool of sweat uh and then thinking everyone's an asshole except for you that was the worst of it so you're burning bridges left in right and what i later on realized because of someone called mark boyd he's a strongman trainer in dubai he'd said hey just use it three days before your biggest lift and i did exactly that and my strength went from

880 for 2 on the deadlift the week before my 930 for 3. And all I did all I changed was I added in three days of trend acetate. And by the third day, you can see like the fullness changed dramatically. My traps, shoulders, arms were much fuller. And my strength went up like seven, eight percent in just three days, I believe from using. Could it work so fast? But like if you were to use it beyond, I believe like, two weeks, you're not getting more results from the trend after that two week period.

It's like from several days to a couple weeks at most, you need to run it, whether you're bodybuilding or whether you're going for a PR because it works so fast. And after that two week mark, you will get the sides. So why not avoid the shit part of trend and just use it for a few days when you need it most like before a bodybuilding competition, right? Like a week out or before a big PR, a few days out. And that's all you need. Like you kind of get diminishing returns at some way. Oh, big time. And then when you use it for a short period of time, your organs are fine.

You're not getting any sides because you're on it just for a very short period of time. And you're getting all the results. So I just wish I knew that 10 years ago. Yeah, it's like the last fuel to fuel on that flame at the end. Exactly. So if you would have done it differently now, what would you have done? Exactly what I mentioned. I would have just used it, for example, before a body balloon until like a week out.

Well, what would have been the base? The base. Obviously test, but test base. and if I was going for a PR, instead of using orals for like four to eight weeks, I just use it for two weeks, right? Instead of using trend for eight weeks, I use it for three to seven days.

You know, instead of using a gram of testosterone because I think more is better, I'll just use 300 milligrams to work on getting more food in. Yeah. You know? So I was using gear as a crutch and borderline addicted to it thinking like, oh, like the more I take,

like maybe the stronger I'll be, the bigger I'll get. And the crazy I can act on the internet. Yeah. And it was unnecessary, you know. And many professional body was like Jay, for example, I said this many times, like you'd be surprised, like what, how little we were using to get the results we were getting. You know, and the youth are like, oh, it's got to be bullshit. Like how big he was.

He must be on a boatload of gear. That's like the biggest misconception is that the bigger the guy is and more steroids he's on. Really, the top pros are just locked in. for a long period of time with their training, nutrition, and recovery, the shit that's hard for most people to do. And that's what gets in the results. And yeah, they do have steroid use, but it's not nearly as much as people are led to believe.

Yeah. And you have the opposite end of the spectrum where guys are using grams of gear, but they're training nutrition and recovery is shit. And they're thinking, well, because I'm not getting results with the amount of terms I'm taking, and then I hold themselves accountable for the lack of training, and recovery, nutrition.

they're thinking, well, this guy must be on way more than me. Yeah. Because they don't hold themselves. They're looking at the mirror. What am I doing wrong? Yeah. But that's really good advice, though, because I think the youth need to hear that, specifically from people who, like, they look to, you know, they emulate.

They want to be like or they want to do the things that they've done. I think it's really important to say that because I think a lot of kids, you know, over the last, I would say five years have just been like, Trent, you got to do this, you got to take all this, you know. Shout out the Trent twins, but it's pretty funny. I love those guys. But yeah, it's like you get, you get this idea that, like, that's the only way. And you're absolutely right.

Every conversation I have with everyone, because kids will come to me all the time and ask me about gear. And I always say the basic things. Like, are you sleeping enough? Are you drinking enough water? Are you getting enough food in? And are you training hard enough? Yeah. Like, no, like, there's no way to avoid that necessity.

And I think people forget that. And they just think, well, this is just the only way to just do more of this. Right. And you could just end up, like you said, even for yourself, it didn't necessarily. make you any better. Yeah. That's good. That's good.

What about blood work? Do you do blood work often? Yeah, every season. Yeah. I do blowwork fucking three times a fucking, yeah, three times a year now. Because I'm just so fucking anxiety problem. But you don't mean like run gear, right? No, no.

Now I'm just like just TRT shit. Okay. Just chilling. Yeah, you're gonna be good for a long time. Yeah, hopefully. I think I think I saved myself because during all those years, I was always like, I would get to that point, like, I'd be in crazy shape, crazy strength.

I'd be like, ah, something's gonna go wrong. My anxiety was saving me. I'm not gonna lie. I think it was helping me. The fact that I had that, the fact that I was like afraid of that. Then again, maybe, then it's like the double-edged store.

I'm like, maybe I could have done more if I wasn't such a pussy about it. But then it's like fuck to say. I think, though, I think I could have done more. Fuck. Could have always done more.

It always be better. Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting looking back, man. The time is just like, I just goes, buy like that. Yeah, that's good. I hope, I hope people listening and help younger people watching know that like, you don't have the time you think you have. Oh, big time. Yeah. You don't,

it's not, it's not, uh, I don't know, for some reason when you're there and you're in it and you're younger, you just think like it's, it's either never going to end or you have so much ahead of you. Yeah. And then you get there and you're like, oh shit, I didn't, I didn't, I took advantage of most of what I could have. And I'm grateful for where I'm at, but I still look back and I'm so like, man, I could have gotten further. Yeah. I know I could have gone further. you know so to the people listening just make sure that you do take advantage and I'm not making this about steroids or anything but take advantage of all the time that you have and like really dial yourself in and like you said I think the most important things are just are you actually fucking training

hard enough are you actually doing all the things you need to be doing to get there whether it's even if it's not bodybuilding even if it's just like something in life like are you really doing everything that is necessary or are you just spending most of your time fucking off scrolling on social media because I think most people now just are just locked into this shit yeah it's growing and they don't hold themselves they don't hold themselves accountable they don't self-reflect yeah right and they use gear as a crutch yeah well bro i appreciate you coming man you're fucking you're awesome you've always been a solid dude and i and i appreciate you for real as you have man you're a good man and and i'm proud of what you've done and what you've created thank you and uh yeah man i just i wish you nothing

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