RAWTALK - Interviewing My Brother, Exposing Bradley Martyn

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

Sponsored by: Zippix Go to https://zippixtoothpicks.com Use code: Rawtalk to get 10% off your first order Betterhelp Go to https://betterhelp.com/rawtalk Get 10% off your first month Manscaped Go to https://Manscaped.com Use code Rawtalk to get 20% off your order + free shippping!0:00 Intro 2:22 Why brad and His brother are so different 5:32 did brads brother think he'd ever get famous? 7:54 Brads brother lives in a van and never did social media 9:27 Money isn’t everything 11:25 How losing their father affected their lives 16:55 Dropping out of college 18:00 Personality differences 19:45 Perspective on social media 21:05 Andrew works multiple different jobs 22:10 Why andrew never asks brad for money 23:50 Did brads brother ever think he'd get famous 26:05 Childhood memories 28:14 Why brad never takes breaks from work 31:10 What it's like living in a van 36:00 Andrew doesn't want to own a house 39:15 Living with GF in a van 42:00 Most vivid memories as a kid with brad 45:15 Why andrew isn't jacked like brad 49:05 Social media attention 51:50 How losing their father affected their life 58:56 Emotions can control your life 1:02:47 Having kids... 1:04:44 Andrew never cared about setting up his future 1:05:50 Nuerolink 1:09:30 Brad used to be a nerd 1:11:11 Andrews favorite social media personalites 1:13:20 Funny core memories 1:16:00 Andrew exposes something about Brad 1:17:20 Brad let's his emotions get to him 1:19:28 Why brad wanted to move away from his homwtown 1:20:50 Would you do anything different in life if you could? 1:22:50 Andrew is the side of brad that he doesnt have 1:26:36 Brads brother loves cooking 1:28:30 Fitness content changed brads perspective on the gym 1:31:55 Sam sulek 1:32:55 The biggest brad ever was 1:34:34 Hiking mt everest 1:39:19 The interent is forever

raw dog in life it's kind of what we're doing that's like kind of what we're doing that's kind of what I've been doing for a while we'll talk about it but yeah have you ever tried one of these no what are they can uh it's like a little it's like an energy shot almost like new tropic gets a little focused it's good though good yeah that's fire actually like they sent me a bunch of these and before I ever did like before I ever talked about it I had the whole pack and was just like oh shit I actually need to use this for like these episodes. You just drank it all? Yeah. Just leave them empty. I mean, that's probably better for the.

Yeah, I drink them. I drink them every, uh, like every morning. Anyways. Yeah, it's funny.

It's funny how you started the pod. It's kind of raw dog in life. Get a little close to the mic show. Obviously your first time on camera because you're a cave man. But this is crazy because like, you know, people will message me all the time and they're like, yo, bro,

you're so good at like interviewing and like this is. so cool you should interview like a bum like a not that you're a bum no no but i was like holy shit my brother lives in a van yeah and i'm just joking but like i'm actually not joking people say that all the time they're like you should interview these people and like first of i'm like no that would like the conversation would probably go nowhere because like it's hard to yeah you know like maybe get it i don't know who knows maybe it'd be a great conversation maybe i should try it but you're the next best thing oh thank you closest thing my brother um so Before I guess before we kind of get really into it, yeah, like the thing that's so interesting I think about us, at least from my perspective now, and we're both oldest now, um, was kind of like, little aged, whatever. To the internet, we're like dinosaurs. We're dying. We're like, we're dead into, like before before GT comes out, we're going to die basically. We're not going to play the game. Um, which is really sad. But, uh, yeah. Why, why do you think?

I guess we'll get into the van stuff because you've been living just so everyone knows. You've been living in a van for the last like eight, almost nine years. It's like seven, eight years. But before that it was like cars and couch surfing or just like back with my folks, you know, mom. Yeah, yeah. We'll talk all about that, the van life. The reason why I bought a van tons of it? But why do you think are like, why do you think we're so different?

And it's funny because now that now that we're older and the more, conversation I have with you. I realize how actually similar we are. Oh, very. But like our life path was so completely different. Like I just posted a picture the other day. You saw we were joking about it where I was like bully me because I was like we should totally make bullying cool again because like everyone's too these days. So I was like we should bring bullying back on Twitter and then I posted an old picture of me when I was in high school. Look like a loser. And we went to the same high school, which is why I started talking about this right now. But I think we should bring it back. And I was like, look at this corny ass photo of me.

when I was young. Oh, mine's terrible. Yeah, yeah. Before I had like the craziest villain arc in the world. Because I was like, you, I'm hurt. They was like, who hurt you? But we both obviously came from the same place. Went to the same school, the same high school,

all boys school at the same time. You know it's co-ed now? Yeah, I knew it was wild. You know what's funny about that? It's like, remember we were there and they're like, yeah, brotherhood and camaraderie and all this shit. And next you know, they're like, we got to pay for this deal.

Not enough people are coming here. let's merge these schools and it was like they were it was just like to me that was so weird because i was like they just it just completely lost what it was and what they like preach for so many years and it's kind of it's interesting what i want to talk about this with you later on in the pod too but it's like kind of how the world is right now everything's just about money and i guess kind of the thing that i'm interested in you is like you've seen me take a completely different path in my life than you obviously right came from the same place same circumstances you know same childhood growing up and uh you know i chose the life of this i guess i mean i didn't show i didn't choose

it actively when i was a kid thinking like oh i'm going to be some youtube with a podcast or film all these fitness videos i just always kind of had the sense of like i wanted more out of my life i remember being we always like nice things what do you mean like the christmas events um uncle paulin Jim he had a Rolls Royce and you saw that and yeah loved it and like I mean you you work towards that I just I just love like surfing and skating and hanging out and yeah I'd follow that you know it's funny you said that it didn't pay as well no yeah yeah but it's funny you mentioned that about the about them the Rolls Royce the Rolls Royce and like because I do remember and Uncle Jim too I remember going to those houses being like what the fuck the other

live like this and they go back to our house yeah And I was like, yeah, then go back to art. I'm like, but I remember that was my first taste of seeing stuff in our extended family. Yeah. That I was like, wait, what the fuck? Like, I want shit like this. Yeah. But I obviously had no plan.

I had no like how I was going to get there. I just always kind of had this feeling and idea that there was more, like there was going to be more for me in my life. And I just always had this weird sort of like innate feeling in that. But I guess my question to you is like, because the audience obviously they know me, they don't necessarily know you. We'll get more into you and what you do as like a person. But in relationship to me,

um, when we were younger, did you think that like I was going to end up like this? Like did you have like, I mean, you wouldn't know. No, I mean,

I remember when you didn't even go to the gym, you just played video games all day. Yeah. And I would be like, man, let's go work out or something. No, no, dude,

I'm good. I'm good. I'm going to grind this. And then, bro, it was heavy video games. But I mean, It worked out because you didn't burn yourself out on the fitness thing then so that you could do it later.

Yeah. I mean, I was, I was just big into, I just love surfing. We were from Pacifica. We had the ocean, like Santa Cruz. It was just nice, and I just wanted to do that. And I just was like, why the fuck do I got to work? Yeah. I just wanted to surf.

But I mean, as you get older, you learn you have to make money to do it. And so I would, my goal was to just do things as inexpensive. as possible. So I wouldn't have to spend as much time working and I could spend more time like doing stuff. Yeah. But it eventually catches up and you eventually need the money. Yeah. So it's a balance. Yeah. You know it's so funny about the whole money thing and people chasing money or fame or whatever, whatever the they're trying to get like more of. It's such an interesting thing because I look at your life and you live out of van, you have a dog, like you've been living out of van for so long and you like seem to do what you love pretty much every day.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's a trade-off. Like, I don't have tons of money, but I have tons of, like, personal and free time to, like, go and do stuff. And, like, right now, it's, like, hiking and waiting for the snow to go skiing and ski touring and stuff and just, like, being out and about in the mountains and just kind of, like, watching the earth rotate, the sunrise and the sunset. Yeah, it really matters. It's funny to me because, like, you know, in trying to achieve. getting money and having money, I don't think people realize that, yeah, like, you do. You have it in your life is more easy to pay for bills and things like that,

but you get in this, like, cycle of needing to continue. Lifestyle inflation. Yeah, where you have to keep doing it and you have to maintain it. And, like, not that, like, it's going to go away, but if you don't keep kind of pressing the boundaries forward, then it's like, you know. Well, yeah, if you don't do it, it is going to go away because you're not going to have the same, like,

level of financial stability to do what you want to do. And I mean, I had like financial stability here and there. Like there'd be months when I was like in my 20s where I had like 200 bucks. Yeah. But like I could go a whole day spending maybe like five to 15 to 20. Yeah, me too though. Yeah. So and I never like, I don't know.

I wasn't super big on like posting stuff or like being on Instagram all the time. Yeah. Because I mean to get to where you're at, it's just a constant thing. Yeah. like posting and this and that and I'll post every once in a while like if I don't find it interesting like I'm not going to post it or I'm not I'm not saying anything that you post is not interesting I'm just saying for me some boring is you know what I mean so a lot of social media is boring as it's just people talking and like sometimes it doesn't matter what they're saying

it's just fucking people talking and listening and like that generates revenue for somebody yeah and I just thought I was like fucking I don't give a shit I go surf or skate or hang out with friends and yeah so I just never really felt that like that need for like a super nice car because like I mean I had like a 91 Honda Civic like stick shift that was great I rode around all Santa Cruz and Pacifica and all these areas like surfing and stuff and like I had enough for like breakfast lunch and dinner and then find a place to stay and then go surfing and then rinse and repeat, you know, that's what I wanted. Yeah.

I didn't. And also, like, when I was younger, like, you don't really think about being old when you're young until you're old. Then you're like, oh, geez, like, oh, should have saved more money because it's harder to work and stuff. But, like, at the same time, like, whatever, I have all these, like, fun memories and stuff and, like, experiences. I guess the experience for me was, like, more valuable than, like, a fancy car.

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because our lives are so different. But like the reality is like even in my space, you realize, even when you have the money for the things, you realize that you're like, this, this is great in a moment. But it's not everything. It doesn't make everything. And in fact, the things that you're speaking to that you've focused on

are actually the things that when you have a lot of money and you could do all these things or spend all this money and all this stuff, you start to realize the way, the things that I actually really want are the experiences, not just, yeah, maybe it's nice to drive a nice car every once in a while, or it's nice to have experience driving a nice car, but your life tends to be all about the experiences where, like, on the other side, I'm, like, trying to make money to have these experiences that I, sometimes, I have a lot of great experience

in my life, don't get me wrong. Yeah, no, totally. But, like, for example, I recently bought the van because you inspired me to buy the van because you've lived in the van for so long, not that I was going to go live in a van, but I was like, oh, I like the idea of, like, getting away, and I bought the van. And I haven't even, I haven't even taken on a full trip. I drove it for a photo shoot to do work. In the video with, with Mike.

Yeah, and then it did another video with Mike. And so the two things that I used the van for were for work. And my idea was buying it so that I can go get away from work. And so it's interesting now, like, you know, I could buy the thing, the nicest van with all the nice shit. We'll talk about that in a minute. But like, I'm not actually going to experience the thing that I wanted to experience because I'm still in my mind. And maybe this is just the thing I got. I've got to figure out in my life, but I'm still in my mind trying to keep working.

I have this sort of like, yeah, I have this sort of, I don't know, this feeling like I can't. Like you can't, you, if you stop or if you slow down, it's like you're just going to lose it. And I think it just comes down to like just the whole idea of loss in general, like in relationship to my life and your life as well. Like you took it differently. You know, I think I think like, I still don't like loss. I hate losing things. Yeah. Or like just, I mean, just.

Losing stuff is just, it's frustrating. Yeah. On like a deep, deep level. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But like, whatever, you could refill it with, like, experiences. And, um, I don't know.

My, my end goal was never to be rich. It was just to, like, have fun. Yeah. Because, like, I mean, you can make a ton of money, but, like, if you're old by the time you have it, like, you can't, You can't buy your youth back. Like, it's never coming up. Well, time is the only thing we really have.

Yeah, time. Yeah. And, like, you can't buy it. You can't buy time or people. You could buy everything else. Yeah. You can't buy the shit actually matters. That's the reality.

That's the thing I'm getting at. I mean, you could, like, if you really love, like, cars, you could buy like a sweet Porsche, have it, drive it around and be happy. But eventually, the, like, the thrill of the Porsche will go away because you're so conditioned to having it.

And I mean, some of what I think of is like, like I can't just go out and buy everything I want. So by the time I get it, it's really fulfilling because, like, I had to work for it and like, and get it. And I mean, it's just, it's like, like life's kind of like how, whatever you make, it could be like a video game. It could be like a movie, whatever you want to call it. But like, you just stuff like,

And I mean, stuff is going to change throughout your life. Like when I was younger, it was skateboarding and then surfing. And, like, now it's skiing, and I'm just obsessed with skiing and, like, ski touring. And what's coming up now is, like, fly fishing for me is just, like, taking up tons of my time and my mental space. And it's just fun having these things to, like, fill your time. I mean, it sounds kind of, like, cliche, but it's like, it's not like the destination. It's like the journey, like, getting there. Yeah.

And, like, it's also the work, too. Like, the work is fine. Like, I work landscaping in the summer. Like, I have tons of friends. It's like, it's very fulfilling work because, like, I keep plants alive all summer in Tahoe. And it's just beautiful properties that people have. They put money into them. And then in the winter, it's like, I work at a ski resort.

It's not like a super crazy hard job. Like, anybody can really get it. It's a lift operator. But it's just fun being on the snow every single day. And, like, having the routine, going through everything. And then at the end of the day, you get to ski down. Well, last season at June was, like, insane it was record-breaking so they had canyon run open and it was just like the sun would be setting

and like you're skiing down after work and like going back to the car and for me it was the van and the home and just turn the heater on cook some food prepare for the next day and like the whole process of that like the processes that I gave myself are fulfilling and when they're not fulfilling I just switch gears and do something different, you know? Like, I mean, I just got a switch for the van. Like, I got books in there. Yeah. Learning how to play the guitar.

Just, just, like, simple stuff, like, learning new languages on the phone app and stuff. It's just, like, just occupying the time because, like, life's short, but it's also, like, the longest thing you're ever going to experience. That's a fact. Yeah, that's a fact. And, like, nobody's getting out of live with all the money they make. So, like, just spend it on fun. Yeah. it's funny it's funny man like when you say about the journey and obviously i look i can look back

on my life and go like damn there was that moments where i truthfully didn't really appreciate kind of where i was at and what i was doing because i just was so focused on just doing like whatever came next and do it do it and do it that i spent a lot of time like like i look back now i'm like damn i should have spent more time sitting and just being like well i'm really grateful just like take a break for three days and be like damn i really did all these things that i've like always kind of wanted to do or always had this like idea that i could do and i look back and i'm like part of me it's great i love where my life's had i'm super grateful but a part of me is like not regretful that i didn't show as much like gratefulness i just think like to people listening

as they're chasing whatever they're chasing in their life it is so important to slow down every once in a while and just like and say thank you. Oh yeah. You know, and to give yourself space to breathe to just to realize where you're at, whether it's a good or a bad place to be like,

okay, this is where I'm at, be able to be able to move forward just in a better, more positive way. Because you're still breathing, you're in a good spot because you can like make,

you could, everybody has the opportunity to like make changes in their life. Like there was a point where like, I mean, I have a bit more than I have now or than I have had in the past and stuff in terms of like money.

items and stuff and like I'm comfortable in my life but like I had to work for it and there was a point where like I just had no direction and stuff and then yeah I was just kind of like whatever but I mean I remember that that's what you're like San Diego and or excuse me not San Diego I was all over the place yeah I mean what was how like what was going on nothing it's just like college and stuff and I dropped out of college because I was like I mean I was in for mechanical engineering and like in my mind as a kid without any guidance because it was an idiot but i thought mechanical engineer was going to be like building stuff but it's like the math to design the stuff for other people to build so like construction contracting and landscaping

like working with my hands is super fulfilling because i just i just love making stuff work and like taking something something and then like installing a system at a house so that that person can have their irrigation running and their plants alive without having to go water every single one. It's just, I don't know, it's cool. And like, I should, I should have been working with my hands since the beginning. But I mean, when you have no experience, nobody wants to hire you in those professions because, like, if you break something, it costs a lot of money. Yeah.

So I don't want to tange it too much, but, like, I mean, we both have different personalities. mine I would say I'm a lot like quieter and like like even doing this right now it's like never thought I'd be on a podcast so like I don't even know what to say or just some some guy that lives in a van and skis no no but that's that's why I mean you're also my brother yeah I mean your brother yeah and so I just wanted to have this conversation because like why the fuck not and it's actually funny watching watching you do this because you're ironically enough I don't know if it's a genetic thing in our family or something, but mom can fucking talk.

You're asking me and talk. And before I got on this podcast, I was telling Sarah, she was like, who you're doing on the pod today? And she was, I was like, oh,

my brother. And she was like, oh, he'll be good. He could talk a lot. Like, you guys must have that like in your fucking family because your mom could talk. Your brother could talk.

But you're not doing a bad job is what I'm saying. Like you're not at all, which is interesting because most people get on mics and they freeze up. Unless they do social media. I mean, but I also have a ton of like, I've known you my whole life and you've known, me my whole life. So there's like, there's some background that we, that we have to like stand

on. So we're not just like, hey, how's it going? Yeah. So what's, what do you do? Yeah. You already have like a story. Isn't it funny? Most people I interview is like probably the first time I met them. Most people that I interviewed. Yeah. The very first time I ever met him. And it's like you have to be able to click it and get a vibe and like, like, I feel like you're not stepping on someone with questions. And it's interesting thing. You don't want to get canceled on the internet these days. I feel like it's changing though man I feel like that that idea I feel like it's really shifting

I mean because people are getting tired of bullshit like what's your perspective is someone who's completely really you're not making content really on social media you just kind of post random shit and they're like you use it just as like a

it's like a digital journal kind of yeah picture book yeah you don't take it serious like you're not making content you're not monetizing it so like what is your perspective on the way like I guess social media in the world is now because you obviously use it yeah I use it and I see stuff all the time

And it's just like, I don't know. It's, I mean, it's just an attention grab. Like, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who says what. People are just going to say stuff to get a reaction. And the reaction keeps coming because people are like, oh, my God, you said this. Or, oh, I agree with that. It's like, dude, you just played right into their hand. Like, they want you to, like, click on their thing.

They want you to comment because it all feeds the algorithm. And, like, the algorithm feeds off attention. And, like, my attention, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, find myself scrolling through Instagram and I'm just like what am I doing yeah go do something else like play with my dog or go for a hike or something and just like be outside like it's just funny dude whenever I like talk to and it's like this like this is like the side of me that like I just wish I did more of it's like you yeah I mean it could I mean I wish I made a bit more money but like whatever you know yeah it's a balance it's a it's all a trade off because I mean I have tons of free time

because right now I have my summer job and my winter job and there's in between them there's like maybe two to four weeks this one was a little longer because it took the snow still's not here but like my like work life balance is pretty good I have in the summer I work a lot get stuff done for the company I work for and then then I have my break and then I have my winter job and I know each of them is going to come to an end. So it just helps me with the, with the cycles and the seasons, because one's summer, one's winter, it's in the mountain. As soon as the winter hits in the mountain, irrigation's off, plants are buried in snow. What's your, what's your plan for like future of work? Because I know we were talking. I feel like you could help me do more like

matters, like taking a break and going on vacation. Like we're going to do a trip in the van soon. And I could probably help you with business stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, like, I don't know. I also enjoy our relationship as brothers and outside of business. Like, I like to be able to make my own money and not rely on anybody to that. You know what's interesting about you? One thing based, just literally what you just said, I know I interrupted, but is because you out of like pretty much all the people in my life, like, could probably ask me for

shit and like you don't. And there's like a lot of people who like have come into my life. who've been entitled. Well, because, I mean, like I said, like, I'm a grown man. You're a grown man. You're not responsible for my food. You're not responsible for my housing. Like, we're brothers, yes, but I can't be like, hey, Brad, I need money constantly.

Because that would just be a once, like, it would be a parasitic relationship in my mind. And I don't want that because, like, I want a relationship that's just built off, like, you and me hanging out. Yeah. Love. Yeah, like, yeah, like, it's just. just I don't know mom's always like why don't you ask for this or that and I was just like I got it like because I like like my van's almost paid off and like I'm the one that did that and like my van's built out and I'm the one that did that and that's what matters to me is like

being able to do stuff for myself yeah I'm gonna be one of those old guys that's just like you ain't putting me in a home yeah or just walk around until I fall break a hip and die like yeah straight on whatever dude you really are that guy yeah I mean a lot of people are A lot of work you guys are. I mean, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's interesting to me. The whole thing is interesting how, like, I just took a completely different path. Yeah. But then we met up at the end, like, we're still, I mean, you're still on a path.

Like, you still got a lot of time. I got a lot to do. Yeah. Like, did you, did you, like, when I, when I started doing all, like, to social media stuff and started, like, getting more popular, did you, at any point, like, like, I don't know, did you see it becoming like this? Like, when you, I first started getting, I mean, I hoped. Like I always hope the best for you Yeah, of course There were like

I remember instances in the past Where like People said stuff on the internet And audiences turned against you And it was just like An eye opening experience It's like And I was just in my mind

I was like damn I never want that dude But like I've always just hoped that you succeed In your endeavors Like regardless of what they are Yeah Just because you're my brother Yeah

But not in like Oh I want Brad to succeed so he could pay for everything in my life. No, I know, you've never done that. And I want to, and that's why I built my own life and my own career so that I can always fall back on that and never have to, like, lean into anybody too heavy. I admire what you do, man.

I admire how you live your life. I admire the, like, the jobs that you do, like the work that you do. Like, things that I'm even, like, jokingly, I was on the pie with Sarah. I was like, I wish I was better at those things. I mean, it's just more manly shit, to be honest. I love building stuff. Yeah, like electrical plumbing, woodwork, like, all of them. it is at first it's like what is this but you take some time and you spend some time with it

and you can figure it out yeah of course you can definitely figure it out it's just you don't haven't spent the time to do it i can get into how electricity works and how water works and you should do the contracting thing man you got to get that license i know i know i need to get you need there's certain prerequisites and i'm on like year three i think you need five years in a field to to apply for it and then you need a sponsorship from a contractor all this and that But I mean, just one step at a time. Yeah. Yeah, I can help you with that.

That'd be red. I mean, build some stuff. All this and have a construction company. Yeah, I mean, that's where the money's at. Easy. Easy. We can do that easily, dude. Yeah.

I mean, our childhood friend, Nick's, he started his own construction company. He's doing fantastic. Like when he hit, everybody's remodeling their houses. Yeah, they were getting those PPP loans and jobs. Yeah. Spending that money on their smart. It's good investment. Yeah.

Dude, it's like, that's so Nick. Nick's interesting. It's awesome. Yeah, we, you guys race trucks set up. We grew up, that's one thing I think, I want to think people find interesting about,

like we grew up like riding dirt biking like at his house. Oh yeah. We also grew up surfing. Obviously, you said that earlier. Oh, yeah. Snowboarding. We did a lot of, I mean,

one of the reasons I went to snowboard to surfing is because it was the cheapest thing I could do that was the most fun. Like, I would have loved to have been dirt biking, but like I also wasn't making money. It was far for us to do that too. Well, dirt bikes.

are expensive. Yeah. I mean, now in my life I could probably get a dirt bike, ride it up in Tahoe, ride it up in a mammoth area and stuff and like just hit trails out in the desert and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, dirt biking is probably on the list of things I'm going to get and it. Yeah. It's going to be cool when I get it because it's like nice. Well, because I've been like, I've been like wanting one for a while. So when I finally get it, it's going to be like crazy awesome for me because I don't have like the money to just go out and buy whatever I want. Right. now. We should get him a dirt bike. Everyone's going to be like, buy him a dirt bike. All right, you know what the comments are going to say is based on that. What kind of dirt bike would you

want? I was looking at the CRF 250R. The Honda. Or the Honda or a K-TM, whatever. Yeah. Maybe get you a dirt bike. Something used. Get you a dirt bike for Christmas. Oh, my God. I'd have to go buy it. But you help me with all that fucking van. My van's ready. I'm ready to fucking disappear, dude. Say, fuck the internet. Yeah, I mean, I can. But not because I have a Starlink on the roof I was I was just driving to mammoth that day I texted you and I was like I was going to go because there was like a storm coming it was pretty weak storm and I like drove down mammoth I was like man there's no fucking snow and I was so I just like message to you I was like hey can I drive down three night three and five just shoot straight down into L.A. Yeah. I mean L.A. actually owns a lot of

the land up there that's where all your water comes from the the eastern Sierra all of it down here Good old California. But anyways, I was just like, I'm going to go hang out with Brad. Because I was up in June. I was just camping and there was no snow. And I had hiked a bunch of the trails already in June. I was like, I'm just going to change the scenery. Went down to Lone Pine for a day.

That's where we're going to go. Yeah. I don't know why it's so hard for me to break away because for so many, I mean, how many years you've been sending me like pictures of like the most beautiful, like scenery things? And I'm just like, oh, that's dope. And I'm like, same shit, same cycle, same cycle, same. cycle. I don't know why it's so hard for me to like to. I mean, you got some time coming up this

next week, right? I mean, yeah. I mean, you can make the time. You have to just, you have to just put it down, stick to it a day or two. You're not going to miss the world, dude. Like, I don't know why it's so hard for me to let go of, like, just fucking certain shit. It's interesting. I mean, I think it's, I think it comes back to just like the, uh, aversion to losing stuff. Yeah. Like the fear of missing out. But like, you're not going to. to miss out because you're always like where you're at you know you're living your life still even if you're out in the the boonies where i spend most my time we just yeah sunrise watch it spin sunset two funest times of the day the morning you got a coffee the the sunset you got some dinner

like what more do you need yeah no it's true man it's real 10 million dollars in two houses you know it's funny there's a house in june there's a property it's been on it's been on Zillow for like 700 days they want 10 million dollars for it's crazy it's just this it's just this it's a huge property but it's just sitting by most be on acres no it's massive no I mean acres it must be acres of land that you buy 10 million no no no it's they they built a crazy crazy cool house I could show you too on on Zillow after but it's just the amount of space that's just sitting nobody using it's wild there's some probably some investment firm owns it and they're just waiting for somebody to buy it but like

Who knows? How's the market? Why stuff up there mostly, like tech people? I mean, June's a pretty out-of-the-way spot. So for everyone who doesn't know, where's June located? It's just north of Mammoth. North of Mammoth. Yeah.

So, like, is that closer to Tahoe? By like 20 minutes. Okay. It's like 20 minutes, 30 minutes north, depending on how fast you drive up the hill. To Tahoe? To Mammoth. To Mammoth.

Okay. Yeah. It's also, it's on the Icon Pass. Just get one, you can ski boat, the mountains, and you can drive up tohaw. It's pretty cool. what they've done. Yeah. I just like working for the resort because you get that employee pass,

make a bit of money and ski every day. Yeah, that's the thing about yourself, the simple shit. You just do, like, it's like, you do the minimal shit,

and then you make enough, like, you're chilling to eat to, like, to vibe and then just, like, go and do the shit you want to do. Maximum enjoyment.

Yeah. It's fun. I mean, when you came up to go snowboarding, like, that was some all-time weather if we had at Alpine Meadows. And it was,

it was, I fucking love snowboarding, man. It was so good. But for you, it's like a drive or a flight. Yeah. For me, it's just like walk there. I remember. That's where I put myself.

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Put an ice in there. Every week, your food gets soggy if it sloshes around. So I got this cooler, just wired it into the battery. I mean, when I first started living in the van, it was like, there was no power. There's no water. There was no lights. It was just like a, it was that Chevy Express I bought in 2017. Yeah. I drove it to your old house and I was like, I'm going to live in this. You're like, okay? Yeah, I remember being like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then I just, over the years, I built it out. I worked and spent my money on it. Because, like, I was just always against paying rent. And, like, I just, I figured I was like, oh, I'll just buy a van, finance it. And by the time I paid off, we'll own it. I paid that one off, and I had an

unfortunate accident in Tahoe. But, I mean, that was kind of a blessing in disguise, because that I picked up the transit I have now for, like, 24,000, and then COVID hit, and van life exploded. And transits are like 30, 40,000 above MSRP. And I was like, I got this extended high roof, like so much room. It's crazy how, how, uh, during it became this like trendy ass thing to live in a van. Yeah. It's, I mean, is it still, are there still like, is it still trendy like people do it and they're just like, I mean, there was like a time where it like the, it was, because I have friends who do fabrication and stuff. Like, I go to this festival up in Oregon and, and,

my friend Ryan and Dave and all those guys, they were, like, in the van community with Westphalia's, like, way back. They've been doing it for a long time. And then, like, this huge surge of people are, like, are like, yeah, we're going to get into vans. It's just, like, it blew up on Instagram. It's almost like the fitness community on social media. Well, there's spots in, like, Big Sur that I used to go camp at.

It was just low-key. Now they had put up signs because people just kind of overused it. but I mean just what happens yeah social media just kind of like like when people tag a place people flock there and yeah just love it to death and like the grand canyon the horseshoe bend for instance is just like probably full of people you might see a picture with nobody in it but like right behind them there's like 150 people or more you know and I don't know van life like I think a lot of the people that got into van life would have probably called the police on me if I, they saw me parked in front of their house back in, like, 2017.

But now they're like, this is great. I love this. I'm a van lifer. It's like, okay, sick, dude. And now everything's more expensive. Like, I bought my Wabasto heater. It plugs into the gas tank, runs off gasoline. I bought it for $800 in 2019.

And then 2020, I looked at them again. They're like $1,600. I was like, what the, the amount of demand? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's just the way it goes. yeah but there has been a lot of like cool things that have come out of it too like more minds brainstorming on how to make van life better because i mean as i get older like i'm gonna want a nice RV or something to live in because like you're not gonna want a house no because i don't

i wouldn't well okay i would rather have like a nice RV and a plot of land to return to than a fully plumbed house. Dude, there's this guy I saw on TikTok. Because I don't know where I want to be. I get it, I get it. But it's like, why not have a house that you could own and have property and you could sell it or rent it?

So I saw this guy in TikTok and I think he lives out of like a van or something like. Yeah. He's all tatted up. He's pretty viral some of his clips. And he was like, he bought a plot of land somewhere and he's like building. Yeah, yeah.

Have you seen that guy? I don't know if I've seen that, but I've definitely familiar with the idea. like applaud a land you just park your van on it live out of that have some natural groundwater you're set i'm so interested in just people's lives that are so different i mean i have a friend out in nevada he built his homestead he had it plumbed up he hunts and stuff for his food and i mean i think he works in reno as a as a as a nurse but he's like taking all of his money and put it out to uh um build this super sick property out in the desert yeah and like it's just cool

I wonder if I survive in life man well I mean you're just going to be weekend warring it and like that's fine weekend war here yeah whatever that's like that's crazy because in the fitness industry the weekend worries the guy that I like would never be

because he just like comes in and he's like I'm here for the weekend and I'm gone during the week that's like it's sad dude it's like I'm like an all or nothing person I think that's why I never really like went into because I was like what if I just become like a nobad and never come back well I feel like I have this similar like all or nothing

It's like all van life for me. And it's like all skiing, all surfing, all like fishing and stuff. And I try and make like everything about that in my life. So I mean, we're definitely similar in like. I think that's why it's hard for me to break away from things. Yeah, but once you experience it, you'll be like, all right, this is this is 100% worth it. This was worth every penny I spent on that van. Yeah, of course.

I'm not, I'm not thinking of all that's not worth it. You take your dirt bike out, rip around some trails, come back with a big ass smile on your face, like cook up some food play with the dog still at sunsets and then turn your heater on and chill watch tv and movies in your van yeah play some cheers of the kingdom god do that i just feel kind of boozy though after watching you do it for so many years like i feel like i'm so boozy because i have the star link i got all the fancy shit who cares i mean i feel like one of those guys dude well yeah whatever but cute guy would i be like when i would snowboard back in the day and the losers come in with all like the extra ass shit like this dummy yeah i mean

I mean, that's me, dude. Well, speaking of weekend, worry, like, when I work in liftoops, I always make my day off, like, Monday, Tuesday. So I'm, like, skiing midweek at the resort on my day off. And it's just, like, nobody there. Yeah, yeah. So I'm, like, the anti-weekend warrior, just like, give me that Monday or that Tuesday, Wednesday slot. And I'll just, like, I can get all my errands done in record time because there's no lines. Everyone's at work.

Smart. So, I mean, yeah, I kind of, like, scheduled my life around when other people are busy, so I can not be busy. And then I'm busy when other people are free. So I don't have, I'm just like, I got to be here anyways, you know? Yeah. How do you, you have a girlfriend, right? Yeah. I mean, she's, she's back in Salinas. We're taking a break right now because, I mean, her family, her grandma's getting a little older, so she wants to be there. Because where we're at, June is just like, it's like an eight, nine hour drive from anywhere. Yeah. Like if you want to get to the, to the coast in the winter, like Tiaga is usually.

closed. All the passes are closed. So you either got to go up 80 through Reno Tahoe and then down through Sacramento, or you got to come down here through DeHatrapy and then Bakersfield out to Salinas. So it's just like, it's a drive. Yeah. I mean, I don't blame her. It just sucks. I mean, she was in the van for like two years. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. What is it like living in a van with someone? I mean, you really get to know them and like, you just got to, it was, I learned a lot. It was like I wouldn't change it for. anything it was yeah it was lovely i it seems intense it was it was super intense and i mean there's a lot of give and take and like it really it really helps you like kind of i guess

for better lack of a better word like ground yourself be like all right like this space is both of ours and i mean you lose your temper every now and again and you just like give each other space and come back and i don't know i think it was just came down to like being able to communicate like because going through the daily life of everything it's busy then like by the end of the day like we're both tired and it's like we'd either choose to like chill or like bicker at each other and like it was just because you had nowhere else to go yeah but i mean it was it was great because then we'd always go on hikes together and walk the dogs and stuff and ski like at the end of the day of june we'd ski down canyon with the sunset it was just beautiful so i mean definitely a sense of togetherness um i think you definitely really get to get to know somebody at that level. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like it's like they talk about living and you get and you get comfortable with people like knowing you on an intimate level like which is which is very like like being vulnerable is probably harder than than anything. Yeah. You know just being in the van and be like, yeah, this is me. Yeah. Hope you like it. Yeah, straight up. Damn, dude. It's like you don't

have another room to go to. It's just one room. Yeah. Well, one, it's one room for everything. Yeah. It's Crazy as far. And we had two dogs and two people in it. But thankfully, the van's, like, massive. So, like, I could sit in the front. She could sit in the bath. Yeah, but either way, massive is, like, it's still a van. It's still, I mean, your bathroom's bigger than my van.

I can park my van in your bathroom. And you'd still have room in the bathroom. It's so weird. So, yo, growing up, what were some of the, like, what were some of the most vivid memories you have with me? I remember you snowboarding off a jump. This is the first one of the time. Snowboarding off a jump with a backpack on and the wind caught it and just send you to the ground.

We would go snowboarding with Nick. The wind sent me to the ground? Dude, you had your backpack like on one thing and you hit a jump and like it pulled you this way. The wind? The wind took you back back. I was skinny. Yeah. Oh, dude.

Way different. Yeah. And then like. Damn, bro. That's probably why I had to get my weight up. I was like, can't be a skinny. You can toss around by wind, dude. That's crazy.

You were tall and skinny. Yeah. I was more short and stout. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, what else can I remember? You know, that time we were in Tahoe and, like, throwing snowballs at cars. And this lady, this lady didn't like that kids were throwing snowballs at cars. So she stopped in the middle of an icy road to lecture us.

And then an F-150 came, hit its brakes, and slid right into her. Because she was like, you could scratch someone's car. and then the car hit her. We were sitting on top of the suburban throwing... And somebody yelled out, you shouldn't park in the middle of the road. You might get hit. Dude, and she was screaming.

I remember, she was so angry. Stupid. I remember I was like crying, laughing. Oh, dude. I mean, I remember it like 20 years later. Yeah, I vividly remember that intersection and everything. I remember we were on top of that car, and I remember looking at that woman, like, yelling at us.

It was just east of Tahoe City. I think it was in that little neighbor. Cairns, dude. Karen. You just got to mind your own business. Bro, being a Karen got so popular in the world. Just so popular. Hopefully it gets unpopular when Karen start getting like shut down.

Yes. And when we start bringing bullying back, we could bully Cairns. Because I think that, I think the, like, in my later years, I've learned to just, like, just keep to yourself and, like, avoid situations with people. Your life will go much smoother. Yeah. Like, you don't need to go out of your way, walk over to somebody else's stuff, and interact with them. when you could just walk away and be like, wow, now I don't have to deal with anybody.

It's just mind-blowing that people don't understand that. I don't know if it's something in human nature. I don't know what it is, but people just seem obsessed with, like, trying to control other people. I think it's just the need for, like, power and control because they don't have it anywhere else, so they're, like, looking for it. Yeah.

They'll use, like, rule, like, I mean, I work jobs and stuff where I have supervisors and stuff, and, like, sometimes supervisors are just like, you've got no one to hold them, you've got to know one to fold them, got to know one to walk away, dude, because, like, you can't police the world. Yeah. Have you ever gotten, like, injured, bad skiing?

I mean, broke my wrist so many times. I used to fall on my wrist a lot when I would skateboard. I've been, I mean, I've fallen and stuff and, like, I've hit my head. I've fallen. But, like, I don't think I've, I've managed to avoid getting, like, injured. I've had friends that, like, blow their knees out, have to get knee surgery, and, like, that's what I don't want to do. and like I have a set of telly skis and they don't have a release so I just kind of ski with more of like a mindset like

be careful and I mean I'm getting older stuff that I don't recover as fast why don't you get jacked I mean should do that I'm sick in the winter like my calves are my legs yeah you should get jacked I mean but at the same time like the sports that I do don't don't need that like let's say I go hiking I'm just going to have to bring more food with me yeah because I'll get hungry I don't know.

I like having the physique I have because it works for the simplicity. Well, I mean, it just works better. But if I was like playing football or like wrestling, like yeah, you put a bunch of muscle on.

Yeah, I get it. I'm just, situation. I know. I'm just saying. It's just situational. There's people going to just look at us and be like,

what the fuck? Yeah, so different. But dude, you should get Jack for real. Think about it. I mean, I feel like a part of my mission in life is to convince other people to get Jack

because it's good for you. I know. I have a job. membership of at this resort, this spa up in June, just like, after work, I'll just go, like, lift some weights, sit in the sauna. But, like, that's just for, like, health. Because, I mean, the physical act of, like, lifting weights is good for your, like, your muscles, your, your, your neuro system and your mind, yeah. Your whole body, like, keeping it moving. I mean, there's... It's also a hormone response that, like, that dictates the way your body

functions, yeah. Yeah, and when you have, like, for a guy, like, low testosterone, you're going to be, like moody and stuff and yeah she sex drive all that trash yeah and low energy and such and like i definitely take a vitamin multivitamin that helps a lot um just try and eat right but i never try and like cram what do you mean cram like if i try and like bulk up dude i'll just be like on the toilet all day like the next day after eating all the food what yeah it just goes right through me i got a super fast metabolism so i just kind of like so i just kind of like so i just kind of like Just, I don't know, I'd chill. I mean, I, before, I ate the burger last night.

Before that, I also had a chick-fil-a, too, and, like, some snacks, and I was still hungry. So I could just eat a lot. I bet you, in the grand scheme of your day, you barely eat anything, like, I used to. I used to not eat anything. Like, I would eat, but it was, like, it was, like, not enough. Well, when I'm working, I'll wake up, I'll cook, like, two eggs, some toast and cheese, make, like, a breakfast sandwich or breakfast, or breakfast cassidia, whatever. And then, like, 10 o'clock, I've got to eat again. you like every few hours every few hours yeah but i mean when i was when i do like landscaping i'm

driving around in a van and like i'll stop at like west shore market grab the ham and cheese croissant maybe a cup of coffee um cruise down the west shore do my job come back up maybe get some more food depending and then at the end of the day i'll get off work um take care of the dogs cook some more food and like before bed you know the snacks and stuff yeah just a just just like eating all day because like my days are full of like me moving so it involves me eating a lot of food and I just I don't know I just never felt the desire to get like huge yeah because I mean I I just prefer functional there's nothing there's nothing non-functional about your physique it's just for me I don't need it yeah for you know what you do I understand

yeah sure um it's easier to hike when I'm not 260 yeah Harder to be in a street fight, though. Yeah, it's harder, yeah, a lot harder. Like, I'll be up at, like, 9,000 feet hiking. Did you see that shit viral? Did you see that on the internet? Yeah, people send me that stuff. Like, look what your brother's doing.

Yeah, I know. He's my brother. I see it, too. That's funny, man. I appreciate when people send me stuff. Like, it's nice. I mean, I love seeing stuff you do. It's fun, and I just, yeah, hope the best.

Remember all the dumb girl stuff? I would lifting girls and all the crazy stuff. lifting videos. Yeah, you started a lot of stuff in the gym. Like, it's crazy because, like, now you've got to do some crazy stuff, like borderline armed robbery to get attention on the internet. Bro, it's fucking. Like, it was just a prank. Yeah, that guy. No, it's a crime. Yeah. That one guy you were telling me about this, some guy like just hitting people. He just hit some guy that was minding his own business walking. Oh, dude, it's a prank. It's a prank. It's a salt, dude. Yeah, it's, it's, the internet's weird for sure. I mean, these kids are

like they're uh what's the word i'm looking for they're uh it's not so they're just like numb to how crazy it is like looking at it from from my perspective like we grew up there's no internet when we were kids we had dial up when we were like 10 or something and so before that we didn't have anything and now these kids have like a cell phone in their hand an iPad in their hand both like just like this from like such an early age yeah And, like, your brain's building all these pathways and habits and, like, it's connecting stuff. So, like, for instance, I mean, I noticed this myself, too. Like, every time I go to a meal, it's like, I don't want to watch a YouTube video.

Yeah. And just imagine a kid that doesn't have any, like, background. And also what you're learning, like, you're learning what is getting engagement, what is getting, these are things that we didn't even think of when we were children. Most people, you know, until now, aren't thinking about these things. Like, you're seeing, like, how people are making money, how you're getting life. how you're getting engagement, how many views this has, all the shit that we didn't even consume our minds with. Then now these kids are creating these ideas of how to kind of like gardener success or make money or where they should or shouldn't be in their life based on other people where

they're at. There's like a lot more measuring of who you are as a person in relationship to everyone else. Probably tough. Way tougher. And then they had to go through schools. I'm so glad I wasn't in school for that. That would have been such a bullshit time, man. Yeah. I mean, it just helped. It just made the rich people get richer. Yeah, I mean, I, and you're also not going to get those years back. At first I took like seriously.

Then I was like, you know what, like I'll probably get it. I'll be fine. I mean, I also don't interact with a lot of people in my day. Like,

I'm usually, like when I was, because I was working for squaw, well, Alpine Meadows. And then I had driven to Reno to go to the REI to get some stuff. And like,

this was like the 14th or whatever, April 14th. And then they sent out an Instagram poster like, we're closed. And I was like, that's my job. Like, what do you mean? And then, like, unemployment was crazy and stuff. It was just a whole different time. It was just crazy stuff.

Got to ask you this, because obviously I've been on the internet, you know, talking about since the beginning, not in regards to the internet, just in regards to our life. And I've talked about this many times. But I've always kind of wanted to get your take on this. But how do you think losing your father, our father, affected your life? Well, I mean, it definitely...

In the biggest way, I guess, yeah. Like, I mean, as a kid, I was definitely bitter. Yeah. It's, like, upset, like, angry. Yeah. But, like, you gotta grow up, because, like, stuff happens to everybody. Yeah.

And, like, we're not the only people that experienced it. Like, like, I mean... It's, like, when I was younger, I used to use it as a... Like, I was just angry, and I would take it out on a... other people. I would take it out on my family, on friends and stuff. But it's just like,

you can't do that. So like, then like life hits you and like you got to grow up because it's like you can't keep living in the past because you can't do nothing there. Like you got to keep moving forward. Yeah. I mean, I took it really hard, you know. Like I even remember the night it happened um like it was weird because i i woke up that night and like i walked into the kitchen but i was like viewing all of this from like like like say you're playing zilda yeah like you're the third person i like walk into the kitchen i talked to mom so no no nothing just go back to sleep and so i went back to sleep the next day like we talked about and stuff and like just like what the fuck yeah it's i mean it wasn't just a sudden thing

Like, he had his issues, like, and gambling and, like, he also lost a lot. Like, because, I mean, his lifestyle wasn't the most conducive for us to be visiting. Like, I remember visiting Dad's house. It was just, like, a shithole. Yeah. Like, neon signs on the wall, just trash. And, like, he was just a depressed dude and, like, he just needed help.

But, yeah, I mean, I definitely, it definitely pushed me to, like, like, I definitely did a bunch of drugs in college. Yeah. Like, that was definitely like a coping mechanism. Like, because I wanted to like experience what it's all about because like, I'm sure we were, we were around it when we were kids.

Not like, I didn't do anything like, I didn't do like meth or like, like, tons of code and stuff. It was mostly just like smoking weed. Just like kind of psychedelics. Just, I mean, but then I'm also, the point of my life where like I don't even know who I am all of a sudden you're in high school and then

they're like okay start a career and you're like what yeah and so like that for me I was just like no this isn't this isn't for me so I just went off and you know it's so funny about that like you took the the route of what then going to try a bunch of and I remember at that time because I knew about like his drug use yeah that I was so like I'm not going to be like him I'm not going to take drugs yeah I remember my mind was like not going to smoke I'm not going to drink alcohol. I'm not going to do any of this shit. I was so diligent. I didn't start smoking until I was like 23 or some shit. I was even doing any drug. I think the first time I smoked was like when we had pop water practice one day. I hung out with two kids. We smoked it out of a can.

And then we went to practice. And I had the biggest headache. I missed those days. I had the biggest headache. I missed those days. That was fun. It was fun. We had some we had some pretty. I mean, we like Nick's dad, Chuck was a was a was a male figure in my life. And like a lot of people, like Dave was a huge help in our life and stuff. But yeah, we got, I got lucky with like male role models. And I eventually like kind of came back to like not being such a fucking idiot. Yeah. But I mean, sometimes you got to go through that phase of like being an idiot to have life just like, all right.

You're done doing that. So you just like, because I remember you didn't, you seem for at least from the outside looking in from what I could tell, you seem to just a, avoid it more than like confront it avoid what the loss like you would try to like definitely avoidance yeah that's definitely that's that's that's my mo dude is just like avoid stuff yeah like because like I even said earlier like walk away from people sometimes like just it's easier to avoid it um I mean I confronted it I think about it all the time but like I definitely had a lot of aversion yeah to just doing it and like like we were lucky we had like mom and Dave and and like our whole family and stuff like where dad was he had like nobody right so

well like a me had us a network not really because mom didn't really want us over there yeah just because of the environment he created right and it was just a a self-repetuating downward spiral and it just eventually led to like making a poor decision because like yeah i've been depressed and stuff and it's just like but it's not going to fix anything yeah you know yeah the way out it's a it's I honestly think

it's kind of a cowardly way out it's just like just turn around face the day see what see what happens deal with it yeah yeah for lack of better words just deal with it

yeah sack up keep going like that's what we that's what we need more of bro in this world straight up and I mean I mean maybe like this is just a big kind of thing where it's like we get so involved in one thing and then like it'll come

when it comes and like it'll just wake people up and they'll be like oh I can take control of my life and I can make a difference in my life at any moment no matter what's happening you know if I choose to or you could just choose to keep going down like a shit path and end up depressed and alone

yeah and I mean I like I don't know I don't know the answers to anything no yeah Yeah, I'm not trying to get, you know, there's no right way to do it. Yeah.

I just wanted your perspective on, like, how you took it and kind of maybe where you're at now. No, I'm definitely, definitely in a better spot, like, all around. Definitely have sat with all this stuff and, you know, just like, let yourself feel it. Yeah. And then, like, let it go. You know? Yeah. There's nothing wrong with being sad.

Yeah. Another wrong with being angry. Just don't hurt other people while you're angry because, you know, you're, you know, you might get arrested. Yeah. Yeah, like there's nothing wrong with feeling emotions, like sadness, happiness, like loneliness. Because, I mean, like, you're not that emotion.

You're like just feeling it. It's hard to, it's hard to disconnect the two. Yeah, differentiate the two sometimes for people. Yeah. It's why it's crazy how it is so interesting that people are so easily drawn into the, like those emotions and they identify. Because I'm speaking from my own perspective on this. Like where I do this, I'm not just saying people listening where it's like I'll have an emotion and I've gotten a lot better with age, but and I'll let the emotion almost like control like the rest of my day, my whole day.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Identifies like in there. Yeah. This is me. Oh yeah. But God damn. It's crazy because it is so simple but so hard that it is just deciding to feel different. Yeah. I mean, letting go is like it's easier to hold on to something than just be like. like okay let it go yeah you know I mean yeah motions are tough and that goes back to like the brain and how the brain like hardwires itself to like like some people are just like chemically dependent on like feeling sad in their day and like it'll come like they'll be happy but I feel like you create those chemical dependencies you create them and like you create those habitual things it's a it's a it's like a combination of nature nurture like your your childhood kind of dictate certain circumstances and then how you react to those certain circumstances it's kind of it i put it like this it's like you can't control what happens to you but you can control how you react to what

happens to you because life is constantly going to throw that you're never going to get to a point where nothing's happening to you so like i've learned just change how you react to stuff and that has helped because i don't know i don't know if i'm kind of like talking in a circle but like you could have like all the money in the world It's still going to break. You can have everything fixed. You might run out of money. It just keeps like one thing after another and like your ability to react to things.

Not just like, oh, you have to react positively, positive, positive thoughts only. It's like good vibes only. It's like no, no, no, no. It's like it's fine to be mad at stuff. Don't let the anger control you. It's fine to like be like upset about stuff. But like don't let the upset like control you. You got to keep moving.

Yeah, keep on keeping on. like Joe Dirt. Joe Dirt. Oh, that reference, dude. That's the age showing right there. Joe Dirt. Yeah, it's wild. Like, people are like, like, when somebody says, like, 30 years ago, you think the 70s?

30 years ago from... Like, right now, I'd be like, yeah, the 70s. Like, no. It's almost 2,000. Like, the 1990s or 30 years ago. We were born in the late 1900s. 1889 Remember Y2K

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slash raw talk. Better H-E-L-P dot com slash raw talk to get 10% off your first month right now today let's get back into this podcast why don't you have any kids because i'm like i know why i don't have kids i i just want all my time for myself do you want kids i mean maybe i don't know what the future holds but like i just know that i have a lot of stuff i want to do i have like mountains i want to hike i have like rocks i want to climb i have fish i want to catch and like I'm kind of living like a really selfish life right now, but at the same time, I'm not going to bring a kid into that

and then continue to live that selfish lifestyle because like right now my life's about me and doing what I want to do. And having a kid would I feel take away from that. Like I said, I don't know what the future holds, and I'm not like, I'm not worried about it either because I have so much stuff I want to do

and I mean like I might finish doing half of it by the time I'm 40 it's crazy to even say that dude when I was like 20 I never thought about being 30 maybe 36 on the 23rd and like that's wild dude when I got out of high school I was just like oh what yeah I've comes at you fast I got a really fast well I think it comes at you fast is because you don't have you don't have the tools to deal with it yet and then by the time you have the tools to deal with it you're in like your late 30s and then It goes really fast. Do you think that changes?

I mean, that's got to be different for some people. It's not the same, the same timeline, right? Because some people... Well, yeah, everyone has a different timeline. Mine personally, yeah.

I mean, I mean, with the loss of dad and just the path I took, like, I mean, I never was like, yeah, I'm going to get this job, start a career,

and I was like, I just want to go surfing, dude? Like, go to the beach, how are the waves today. And then spent all my time like by the beach and trying to catch surf and serve is so finicky so that's one thing i noticed you like when we first got to like high school and started like doing stuff like you to me my

perception was like you didn't care about setting up your future no i didn't no but i didn't know how important it would be now i understand how important it is and i've like worked to set it up like why why though why did you like the concept of the future probably just the reckless abandon kind of the aversion be like just avoid it till i can't anymore so you have to it's like your it's like your health like you could avoid it till you can't anymore yeah i mean speaking to health like one of the things i'm so happy i picked up dude flossing my teeth at morning and night dude after you eat the best thing you could do is floss your teeth this hilarious it's funny because i need to be so much better at that dude just put on something to listen to or watch and just bro aversion

until my two fall out straight up, you can afford to put new ones in there. Yeah, put some fucking get rid of those bitches. Damn. Do you think we're going to get

to the point where like you can switch a knee out like a car, you can tie rod out? Bro, they're about to put a nerling in people's fucking brains and you're about to be an Android.

Like they're looking for someone right now to put a nerling. I don't want none of that. That's crazy. I don't want none of that. You know what's crazy? I was talking about that the other day, but it's like we are like, in my opinion,

10 years, people are going to be like part human part android 20 years already really we already are part because like you're so connected and so linked to your phone yeah but like now they're like they're literally talking about putting that into someone's brain and the minute that happens it's that's that's an android you know that's a computer human yeah and yeah i was joking i was like you know how like the the transgender thing where it's like you can't have men in women sport all this kind of things and i was like it's going to be like they're going to be like you can't have robot humans.

Cybernetic people and fucking... They're going to add another letter to the alphabet. Bro, I was what I'm saying. It's weird, man. It's weird. But I think the world's going to start ending up. I mean, it is. It's happening.

They're already planning on doing that. It's just crazy because like, like when we were young and like Grand Theft Auto came out, there was a whole Puritan like, oh my God, this is the work. This is the work of the devil. Yeah. But now everybody's so like conditioned to it. that like the the boundary gets pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed so like in the future assault might not even be a crime it's just something that happens to you because everyone's like

yeah you just got assaulted yeah how we mean how things are normalized normalized that's the word I'm looking for yeah yeah it like shock stuff is not shocking because it's so normal yeah that it's just something somebody's doing to get their their their internet algorithm boosted yeah and it's a slippery slope like where do you draw the line yeah and kids with no like let's be honest kids don't have like the most mental capacity like there's there's some rare cases of like very mature kids and stuff like they need guidance I mean I need a guidance we all need guidance like that's where adults come in and but then like the adults are doing the same thing like outrage content so the kids are just like looking up to him be like yeah that's that's what you do

yeah and it just gets normalized and i mean that could be said on so for so many different sort of topics where it's oh for all of them just like why the are things the way they are just things are just getting out of hand it feels yeah where and i mean as we get older like we have the reference of our past to pull off of but kids have their present to pull off of and then when they're older they'll have their past and then there'll be another group of kids that have their present which is wildly different you know it's just the passage of time and like the the evolution of culture and society, whatever. Humans, yeah.

You know? We just have so much information available at any given time. I can pull my phone out in Google. Yeah. Anything. What I'm saying, dude, we're going to be robots soon. Straight up, we're going to be Android. I mean, could be.

Damn, crazy. I'm going to stay human until the day I die. Straight up, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, I got a phone. Maybe one day I won't have it, but like it's good for right now. but yeah I just I just never see myself like I don't even like VR gives me a massive headache I'll play a video game old-fashioned way with a controller like it's just it feels more natural

and I mean old fashion way with a controller it's funny to say that now because like when we were kids and and dad had that super NES with legend of Zelda on it it was just like this is the most mind-blown shit ever and yeah now I'm playing tears of the kingdom and I'm like whoa these games are crazy yeah games got way better man the crazy how it's so fun It's funny how your perception of me when I was younger before the gym was like, it's a super nerd playing video games. I mean, yeah, we played World of Warcraft when it came out, and you were the, I think, one of the first people on all the servers to at Grand Marshal, because you just played

nonstop and you would just, like, wreck people with your buddy that was a warrior. We were such nerds, dude. I swear I would tell, I really believe this. I would have been, if Twitch was a thing, I would have been a professional video games. I swear to God. I was that good at that mother fucking game. Yeah, no, it was a fun game. It was a really good game.

God. I always had so many hours. But it wasn't even a waste. It was so much fun. It's not a waste if you don't see it as waste. So much fun, man. It's funny, I still know that guy today. Yeah?

Yeah. He's a nurse. He lives in New York. Really? Yeah. You should have him out on the podcast. I should. That'd be cool.

Was it pricey? Yeah, that was his character. Yeah. Dwarf warrior? What a savage? Yeah. He was fucking great, man. Yeah, it's, I wish, I wish Twitch was a thing then.

I would, but then I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have been me now, you know, whatever. I would have been a, it would have been like XQC or some skinny fuck, you know? Deny Megan Estallion. They got, like, people like Tifu that were like skinny nerds and then they got jacked. Then they got jacked. Yeah, Tifu's dope. You know, anybody can change their life. I mean, I don't know if XQC is going to, he's just going to keep reacting to other people's content.

You know, what are you, Ethan Klein? dude that's funny I just thought that'd be funny you see so you know these you know these people I mean you can't avoid it if you're on the internet and like I just think it's fun to poke fun at people yeah you know people can poke fun at me it's like what other like social media people

are you like really aware of or have you seen or I'm a big fan of Cody Townsend he does this thing he's doing this thing called the I think it's called the 50 where there's a book called the 50 classic ski lines in North I think it's North America could be wrong could be all of it all the continent um but he he's out in his van with his film his camera guy who's also in a van

and they go and hit these gnarly lines up in the mountains and like sometimes you got to turn around because there's different like so he's just like ski content oh yeah but like big mountain touring and stuff it's super it's super fun it's really cool what of the main i don't know main main main is not the right word what of the non like niche communities are you aware because like you're aware of like xc right i mean like Ethan Klein where him and like that show I used to watch

him back when he was like making like funny videos before he's podcasting that's when I like I mean a big fan of PewDie Pye he's funny videos yeah I mean

I just think it's funny because like people do stuff and you can clown on them it's just fun like just chirping there's no harm in it and then people get upset

like then it's even more fun for sure that it's more fun You're going to get people stronger, man. God. Build up that skin. Everyone's got a thin skin. Yeah, we've got to get people with skin, man. You can't fart in someone's direction, they'll take offense to it.

Such puss in nowadays, man. It's getting better, though. I really do feel it going back a little bit. I feel it coming back. I feel people are getting a little tougher. Or maybe, like, people want it to be, so they're like just starting more shit. I don't know. I couldn't tell you.

Because there's a whole gamut of stuff going on. There's always going to be. Yeah. Like, there's always going to be all the things happening all the time. And you can never get into everything at once. Like, for instance, like fitness, you picked it, you picked an industry and you stay with, I was all over the place. Yeah.

Not that I was trying to, like, get famous in any of them. I'm all or nothing, dude. All or nothing. I mean, I was like, number one are dead. You know, it's funny? We were talking about the video game, but I wanted to bring this up. There was one memory of you that I literally, if I think, like, it made me cry. It was so funny.

Did I break a computer? Oh, you must have, I don't know. Was it my Diablo too? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Dude. That was a level 91 in hardcore, dude.

I was, and that was like my whole life. It was a paladin, right? It was a paladin, and I had this armor where you could teleport. Yeah. And I teleported into something in Indaro. And I got blown up by one of those exploded things. And like, I saw the death thing. I'm like, because usually you smash that escape and you leave the game right before you die.

Yeah. But I didn't. And I just remember. just hammering my i was livid dude you were so mad i remember curing you and i knew exactly what it was coming i was like oh i know what's happening because i think i was in the game you were in you're probably in a different game we used to play diablo two a lot yeah like that was it was such a good game for the fucking amazing game they're never going to have it because now they're micro traction transactions involved the new game's good though diablo four is really good it's really

good it's not like it's not like like diablo immortal was just like pay to win well that's a that's a fucking. There's a cash grab. What's it called? It's a phone game. Four is really good. But I'll never forget, I come up and you're just like angry, crying. You're so goddamn mad.

And I got it because I was like, damn, I know what that is going to be like. And then like a week later, your sorcerers got blasted at the gates in act one, dude. Yeah, that damn barbarian world wouldn't me. I don't know if it was like a lag spike or something. No, he had a pike. So his range was further than you thought. Yeah. And I remember literally being like.

like, oh, I'm done with this game. That was it for me. Yeah. It was funny because I remember laughing and like I was laughing so hard at you. Like I don't think I laughed at your face. I think I left and was just like, you know when you're like, I would have laughed at me too. And I was crying. It was so funny.

Like equally crying as much as you were crying. I was fucking crying because I was laughing. And then it literally a week later popped. And I was like, I'm done. I was so mad. I remember just being like disbelief like no. You can run this back. We can take this back.

There's no like same file. Bro, I was like, no, I'm going to find a time machine, dude. It was crazy. Video games were like, as much as I'm into the gym and much as I've been to the gym, I was just as much into video games. I was so, and I still, to this day, I'd love video games. We played them since we're kids. Huge fucking, you know?

I don't think I'll ever stop, to be honest. You know, it also was funny with computers, we would have, like, Nick over, and we would download music and videos off Limewire, and then the computer would just be toast. That big-ass gateway monitor. is like this big. Oh, yeah. Yeah, those days are different. What is something that, that, uh, you think no one knows about me. Just because it's because like you're, you know, you'd be the one. Because I've been there. Yeah. You'd be able to be, you'd be the one to expose me

for real, you know? Because then all the people on the internet just like fake ass exposing shit. Everyone has something to say about me. I was, I was over here and someone sent me a clip of some guy saying like he gave me some idea to open my gym. That's why I haven't, I'm like, bro, who's my investor? What are you talking about? He's just making up stories. It's just to post content on the internet to talk about me. It's just fucking crazy. It's an insane thing that I see. And I'm like, what the people just like drunk thinking about ideas to fucking get views?

It's crazy. Just a weird thing. I don't know. I just remember, like, as kids and stuff, like, you were always pretty put together as a kid. And I was always a mess. What do you mean put together? Like, your room would always be clean. Like, I would go in your room and, like, touch something.

And you'd be like, you put that back. Yeah. Get out. Don't do that. And my room was just like over the floor. Yeah. And then anytime it got clean,

I'm like, I don't know where anything is. Because it's like my, my floor shelf system, you know? Yeah, I don't, I'm just super OCD with things.

It was weird. Yeah. I remember being that way. Yeah. Wanting things to just be a certain way. Oh, dude, you couldn't go in your, like me and Nick would stay out of your room

because you would just lose it. I guess that's one, that's one area like you would like let your reactions get a hold of you as a kid. It was just like, if somebody like moved one of your things. It was just like, what the fuck? Yeah. Just the hugest deal.

Yeah. We were just like, what? It's right there. It's like three feet to the left. I don't know why. I guess I just had this feeling like when people just would just f*** my shit when they didn't need to. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it was just like, you know, you like things a certain way.

It was just super particular. Yeah. I remember just being really particular about things. And I was just like nonchalant with stuff. And like if you came in my room, moves on the fucking, now it's over there. That's it. I don't know. I don't, I mean, expose you.

That's the funniest thing ever. I don't know. I got nothing, dude. Damn. I was hoping something good, man. You remember my Impala? Yeah, the 96. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you should get another one. I was going to buy a new one. Just make it all fancy. Maybe you do that with the Ford Ranger, too. Just a little homage to your past. Yeah. Didn't you move down here with the, with a Ford Ranger

in a, in a, in a, a truck bed cover and everything in it and everything in it yeah with a random family on Craigslist literally random family at Craigs I never met that's wild straight to their house lived in there like they were living in the living room and they're renting out the rooms I mean you did good by getting out of Pacifica I remember meeting in Pacifica there's they're just like it was easy because I could stay with mom but like there were like no starting jobs it's like contracting work construction or like taco bell yeah like which by the way is the nicest taco bell in the world crazy as taco bell in the world it's like right on the beach yeah it's voted the best

taco bell in the world yeah you know that you know that parking lot next to it yeah yeah yeah we used to eat tacos underneath it yeah it's sand and tacos and stuff and then that other parking lot on the south end was all tan bark yeah I remember I forgot something at the car and I didn't want to go back and Keith went and grabbed it yeah a whole different world Yeah, we grew up on a cul-de-sac in the back of Pacifica and, like, we would just roam the streets until the lights went out. And the creeks and shit. And follow the creeks back to the ocean. It was fun.

There was no internet. Yeah. There was nothing. But, like, you know, you talked about Keith. You talk about Pacifica. Like, I think the reason why I want to get away was people just all kind of just get in the same cycles. And they're just doing the same shit. They get caught up and bullshit on that.

that fucking down. Yeah. Like Keith, like dude fucking ended up getting murdered. Yeah, because he stole from some pretty sketchy people. Yeah. I saw him a little bit before that.

And he was working on getting his life back together. But I mean, that dude had a, he had a rough one with his family. Yeah, super rough. You know, it was just rough.

I mean, ours wasn't like cush, but it wasn't, I mean, it was kind of fucking in some regards. Yeah, but I mean, it is what it is.

And you react to it, how you react to it, and then you just adapt your reactions till they start lining up with what you want to see. And that's just growing up. Yeah. You see why I want to get out of there so bad because I was like, I'm going to end up doing the same shit that all these other people are doing.

And I felt like death to me. I got stuck there for a long time, yeah. I mean, you made a good choice by like coming down here and just like starting your life. And you've been down here for a long time. Would you do anything different in your life if you could? Like you've looking back now? maybe I would probably start working construction earlier like maybe find a job because now I know how much I like enjoy it like I love fixing stuff yeah like electric stuff I love building stuff it's just very fulfilling to just take something in usable and make it like you said doing work with your hands yeah working with my hands like one of the most human things to do I think yeah it's yeah it's no it's it's it's it also I'm

What I learned from, like, working, it goes back to, like, the aversion thing. Because then you could avoid stuff by just working, you know? I did that, too. Yeah. I also did that with the gym. Yeah. That was my way of avoid it. It was like, oh, I'm just going to do this forever.

Because it kills a lot of time. Well, it also distracts you. It's a distraction. So when I'm doing it, I'm just like, I don't have to think about all this other shit. You picked a distraction that was that made more money. My distraction was like, well, it didn't make money at the time. It just made me jacked. But yeah, yeah.

At the time, I was like, this is just the only thing that makes me feel like, okay. yeah so i was just doing this and that's why i was like spent so many hours at the gym and in that circumstance i was like oh found what worked for you yeah yeah and then like you talk about father figures you know i found father figures at the gym people who would like show me things or help me with this lift and i was like oh shit give you ideas for the gym just kidding yeah no jeez what a what a groundbreaking idea a gym after be after training for how many years that i trained for the groundbreaking idea bro open i just started a gym yeah i started a gym because i was like getting kicked out of gyms

It wasn't because someone came to me and was like, yo, I have an idea, you should start a gym. You were getting kicked out of gyms because you were lifting girls on the barbells. Yeah, and shit just couldn't film or shoot content most gyms. So I was like, I'm going to open a gym because this is what my life is because at that point, I had already built up

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Dude, I remember when you opened the first gym, got that truck, and it was just like, that was a whole other world now. Yeah. Like, it's trippy to me that that will be eight years on the 14th of January. That's wild. And eight years? Eight years ago. Because my new gym has been open for a year on the 14th of January, and the other gym has been open for seven years. Yeah.

So the crazy thing about it, too, is that even before that, I still had like pop because I had to build money to be able to open the gym. Yeah. So I had this populated for time before that and I made all this money before that because I did the coaching stuff before I really even blew up up on the internet doing like other stuff and selling like, you know, the B and Fick year when I first started selling back in 2015. Yeah. Prior to that, I was making money selling coaching. Yeah. Selling training to people. I've seen your old business cards.

Yeah. There's one of the drawer. It went from training to that. to like apparel and that to like content and all that yeah but it's just interesting how time's gone i guess man i mean it's all i do is work yeah you know this is why it's so funny like the the dynamic for me is so interesting because between me and you is like you're like the side of me that i need to do more of it's like you got it take a break yeah no it'll be it'll be it'll be really fun to to drive up to uh lone pine and just camp for a day or two yeah ride your dirt bike

around. I know. So I got the, I got the hit. I'm excited, man. Yeah, we got the hits. We put some, we put some work into into your, uh, your van. I mean, dude, your van. Okay, let's be honest. As a storyteller. It was like the top tier. It was worked. Yeah. It's fancy. I think I added like a shelf. Yeah. Well, no, we put the back stuff on. We put, we, there's some like detail stuff that we just made it like all the better. Yeah. You know, you got a Jenny in there. I got the power on lock. I'm ready. I'm ready to disappear. Just ride. off into the sunset and shoot guns. So what I'm going to do.

I'm serious. Shoot guns. I'm going to take a bunch of mushrooms. Yeah. That sounds fun. Talk about life to myself, man. You know what sometimes I think of getting is a horse trailer and a horse. Just driving a horse out to places?

It's expensive. That's probably why I would go with a dirt bike. Yeah. For now, they do the construction thing and then you get a horse, man. Dirt, dirt bikes, they don't say, they don't talk back. Like a horse will talk back sometimes. They don't make you sandwiches, though.

what I said they don't make you sandwiches though horses yeah or dirt bikes but women do do I'm saying but women will talk back though that was where the joke was coming from okay just shut up and make me a sandwich dude I'm a big fan of making my own sandwich really I love I like sandwiches made for me I love cooking really it's a lot of fun especially because like the end product what I don't know what it is but recently I've just been enjoying watching like it's this thing of content on Instagram where it's just like predominantly like Japanese like all it's all in Japanese I don't know what

they're they're writing in the in the I just right away I just think about that sushi Japanese rapper guy that you fucking showed me who he's like I like what is it I like sushi I like sushi bro Jake I'm gonna show you this video gold car there's this fucking dude from Japan it's funny it's hilarious who like he's probably some rich dude in Japan who's like a rapper

and he's like filming in front of like all these gold cars but there's this one song that once he realized it went viral oh it just popped off he just kept doing it it was hilarious jake have you seen this bro what's what's that guy's name i don't know you gotta google this for real put on your phone like he is literally like singing about liking sushi and it goes fucking viral dude yeah no it's hilarious we can come back to the video i was just gonna say the videos i like is like people out camping like cooking a meal but speaking of like people finding something that like you're talking about where they're like showing the action and they're yeah they're cooking it bro those videos are insane they're so good yeah there's like a guy i've you can like learn recipes

through that there's a guy yeah exactly there's a guy seen who like he's like goes to like he's in like sweden or some pretty ass scenic place and he's like cutting in a fit yeah he's like in a river he gets water from the river it's like who the fuck these people dude who the fuck he's doing this i mean some people have like property places so they could go and shoot those this guy's everywhere this guy's like that guy's life is like looks amazing yeah it looks because i mean like you shoot the video and then you have a meal you got two for one but here's my thing with this it's the same thing it i mean it can't be the same thing but okay for example for me with fitness content right it changed my relationship to the gym because then i was like okay i have to shoot content

to continue this whole way yeah yeah so like the gym was the gym prior and i and it was like completely kind of different to the way it is now where it's like i got to show up and i have have to do certain things to make content to fulfill these needs of all, you know, these channels and blah, blah, blah. So I wonder if those same people, it's like, because it's tedious, like, while you're cooking that. Oh, if they lose enjoyment? Yeah, like, or I mean, maybe that's set up.

They have to like, I don't know how much editing goes in prior, but like how much they have to like, oh, I don't know if they're reshooting things, but they probably can't because they're cooking food. They must be pretty good at it. I don't know. But I'm just like, it's funny how I wonder if it changes your perception of it where it's like, okay, now I'm doing this because I'm making content. Like I can relate to making content for the internet fitness and kind of change my connection to the gym itself.

Yeah. So I wonder if it does alter it a little bit because like that's the, that's the thing that I think is so interesting with the internet. People see things that people do and they go, oh, that's so easy. That's so this. I want to do that. But then I don't think they understand the way that it does actually start to affect the thing that it actually is for that person. To that effect, like you've been on the internet for a long time. You can't just be a one-trick pony to be on the internet.

Not for this long. No way. No way, dude. It'll, people will lose interest. 100%. Like, tons of people have experienced that. Like, they blow up off one thing. They try and recreate it.

And then they're just stuck in that. Well, that just reminds you of the fitness. And it's just so many people who pop and then just dissipate. Pop, then dissipate. Yeah, because you got to keep things going. Because everyone can do it, too. The barrier to entry is so small. It's like, I can just get jacked.

Or maybe I'm already kind of genetically gifted. I'm jacked. Yeah. Look at me. Look at my workout. And it's always like, okay, what else? Yeah. People kind of just forget that you have to give

them a reason to continue to fuck with you yeah we're gonna are we gonna have a brad gym like go over all your old videos and do them again with a new camera well dude i was so me and me and jacob in like the rest of the team like i mean i've just been talking about for the last few weeks i'm like i just want to do something different but i've realized i think what i'm gonna do based on um you be a van lifer well no i'm gonna take more fucking breaks number one but with the fitness content i think i'm just gonna start just filming like just straight up workouts and not making it any sort of any complicated just like like what started with exactly like what i did in 10 12 years ago which was like it was you working out doing your sets and then you talk to the camera for a bit about yeah you share some stuff

with people and i mean you're definitely like that's that's tough to like just be yourself sometimes and like because because not everybody's gonna like you all the time but like you still just did it anyways yeah i'm just gonna get back to that because it got to like oh edit have this nice shop blah blah like make this funny or whatever so for fitness stuff i mean podcast i'm going to continue to do it and continue to try to interview people that i find interesting but for content on on fitness i think what i'm going to do is just start doing what i had always done in the beginning which is like this is just my workout just narrate it and not have it be some like edited thing because there's like more like some gimmick yeah i mean it's never a gimmick but it's

like well the girls on the bars kind of was yeah that's what i mean by of course of course and it just became because i was like oh i have to get this yeah thumbnail but i'm just like I don't give a fucking anymore. No, you don't need it. So you can, like, create something that you really enjoy. And, like, is a work, is a labor of love as opposed to a labor to, like, return on investment. Yeah, to get some sort of. And that might be, like, really fun.

Yeah. Just go back over all your stuff. Well, it's interesting. There's, like, another guy, there's a guy who's, like, super popular. Are you the most popular fitness creator right now, Sam Sillick? I don't know if you've seen that guy on the internet. Super fucking. Exactly.

Meat crayon made a funny video about him. Yeah. Who's that? Oh, meat crayon. He's just, like, kind of, he's a creator. Yeah. He makes tons of, like, super creepy cartoons. He's fucking hilarious.

I like watching his stuff. But my point to that is, like, that dude came and blew up off of literally what we were doing 10 years ago. Just, like, filming his, just filming his whole workout. And it was, like, not complicated. He gets in his car. It's, like, super just basic. Just this is what the guy is doing. But, I mean, he also puts a ton of work behind it because you don't look like that unless you're-

Oh, no, no. I'm not talking about his work of his body. I'm just talking about the style of content is so basic, so simple. It's not. there's nothing to it just like not that it doesn't take work physical the physical helps because if i was doing that nobody would watch it yeah the fact that he's like massive and they want people want to see how to get massive no of course so that i mean it's a ton of work like when you were like i remember the biggest you were i came to visit and we went to like some olympian thing

and like dude you were fucking jacked like mega jacked dude like this fucking wide and i was like damn my brother's a giant like what the Yeah. Like there was a period where you were like, you were huge and like you were competing and stuff. And then it just like changed. And then you were just doing it. Well, I was like 270, 275 at one point. Yeah. I remember I thought you told me that one point you were like 290. No, no. I was going to try to be 2.9. Like that was one of my goals was like one of my goals was to be 300 pounds because I want to do like real professional bodybuilding. Yeah. But then like, you know, you get closer to that and you're like, maybe this isn't for me. Yeah. Because it's like there's certain things you got to start doing that you're like, I don't really feel.

people doing it yeah oh definitely like certain levels of drugs you're just like uh i already feel i don't want to be more uncomfortable yeah well you're kind of like you're kind of trading your future for the present you know yeah because like it could affect your overall lifespan yeah some of that stuff whatever but i mean yeah i was i was it was it was it was an impressive time like you were just huge dude you weren't like balling super hard but you were like doing your thing yeah that what you That was probably like 2014, 15 or 16. 2015, 2016. Yeah, you were massive those years.

And I mean, still pretty big, what, 260, 250? Yeah. That's 255 right now. Yeah. I lost my powers. Oh, no. Because I've been boxing. Yeah.

I box every day. Cardio takes, uh, take some of the powers away, but it gets you different powers. It gives, it definitely gives you different powers. Like, yeah. You should come hiking at like 9,000, 10,000 feet. See how you feel. fuck I already know it's gonna be tough the oxygen's a little thinner up there

I'm down for that I could do that no there's this one hike you should you should come do up in June Fern Lake it's like this the whole way I feel like we gotta go straight to Everest no I feel like we gotta

you know that you know that you have to like hire Sherpas and stuff do or die fucking Sherpa well we could do Mount Whitney that's a 14 14000 feet what's the hardest hike in the world that's the one we go do

I mean like K2 or something like that where you're like hiking for real you die people die doing that kind of you don't get like about Everest people die every year yeah and their bodies are just up there because you can't bring them down but so those so those are like I don't know if I'm getting the number they're like in they they they classified them in meters and they're like if you turn meters to feet it'd be like 20 something thousand feet where we have like 14,000 feet here and you look at a 14er and you're like the and then you look at a 20,000 footer you're like oh yeah like like

people just up there like dying of like what lack of oxygen or just cold lack of oxygen yeah I mean also like the altitude affects you like it'll it'll give you like disorientation and stuff and like if you're up there disoriented you collapse like nobody's carrying you down because they don't want to get disoriented too yeah I get it but like if you go in the mountains like you go in with the intention that like I'm taking care of me my buddy's taking care of him well isn't that why they have you do like to do it they have you do like all these testing things to see you're even capable of doing it I think there's some, like, prerequisites for,

I've never attempted to do Everest or anything like that. But, like, I'm sure there's some, I mean, you could pay a Sherper to carry all your stuff up there. And then you could just walk and they take care of everything for you. It's crazy out there's just people who are just so good at it. They're just like, yeah, pay me. Well, they grew up. They're like the, the people from whatever area it is.

Yeah. You know, like they're born at like, it's like their backyard. They're born at like 10,000 feet. They're just like, so they're built different. This is light work to me, dude. I grew up doing this. Yeah.

And these other. Can people from the West are just come and dying? Dead. Fucking ice. There's like bodies up there and you can't bring them down because like the stress of you bringing somebody down is would jeopardize your own life. Yeah. And like if you're in a party and like somebody goes down like you can't just carry them

when you don't even have enough oxygen to like like people bring tanks and stuff to breathe out of it. Yeah, I get it. It's Chris Garzy how people sign up for that shit too. Like they're like. Well that's like that's like that's like when you. have all the money in the world like what else you do i don't know fucking climb i guess go in submarines that's that's that's too soon don't you laugh about that one that's too soon who cares about whatever

i don't get a that's a funny thing because i would have never gotten in that sub if i seen that i was watching i was literally watching i don't know i think about a bit tate was talking about it but it's like you're you're you have all the money in the world and you're going in a submarine and you got to watch the thing through a screen like it's not like there's mere you're not like mere personal responsibility. Well, there's not like windows you're looking through anyways. You're just looking at it in a screen, but you're in a thing. Too much pressure to even have windows.

Right. So it's like, why not just why we're through a window up top? Yeah. You know, through a fucking TV up top. Yeah. They were vaporized. Yeah, it's sad. Remember that whole thing.

But I mean, whatever, they chose to do it. Wasn't it a whole thing where, like, they knew that that happened way before they said that it happened, like that it actually imploded? because they hurt, it's like some military. Oh, they heard the, they heard a, yeah. But we were still like, they were still talking about it for like a week. Going through the motions. Yeah.

The news cycle needed a topic, you know, to talk about. Crazy. That's a real thing, man. They got to keep viewers for those ads. God, damn. Just like the internet. I know. It's crazy how people don't understand that.

Most people, I don't think understand that. It's a business. They just think like, the, the most precious thing, yeah. Time on, time on the platform. Yeah. Same thing with all these apps. like keeping people on the platform. That's why it's all about view time.

So like people get the most views on TikToks because people watch the TikTok the longest. Yeah. And so then it grows. And dude, TikTok is so fucking. Because it's all about keeping people on the platform so they can go back to the advertisers and say, we have this many users, this demographic,

this age group who's on the platform this often. It costs you this much to advertise. Exactly. Give us this money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I remember when COVID happened. I was up in Tahoe and I downloaded TikTok and I watched it for like a little bit

and I was just like, what the this is so stupid well dude it's been a pleasure yeah thanks for having me yeah thank you for coming it's expecting to be on your podcast I wasn't even I honestly wasn't expected to do it

and I was like well fuck it you're here I think it'd be a cool podcast also it's cool to have just on the because the one thing about the internet that like I also until recently I didn't really recognize obviously I knew this was happening the whole time but like it's archiving of all this content like I looked back on my own my channel

like two nights ago I was looking at all these old videos and I was like, holy shit, this is me when I'm fucking X years old. Yeah. Having a conversation about this. And so now it's a conversation that we'll have on the internet. It'll be on there forever. Because that's pretty cool. I think that's just cool.

The internet doesn't forget. Got screenshots. No, dude. Yeah, no, I appreciate you having me. Absolutely. Thank you. My first real podcast. But yeah, I appreciate you coming.

Every Tuesday, 11 a.m. I love you guys. I appreciate all the support. I forgot the cameras are there even. Yeah. That's the whole purpose. yeah so it's a good combo peace out um yeah weird i guess like i was gonna be like what do you but you're not like a traditional guess where you're like promoting some shit i don't promote anything

yeah okay we're out of here just trying to go skiing dude yeah me too snowboard though yeah all right we're out love you guys peace