RAWTALK - Jo Lindner On Teenage Substance Abuse, Thoughts on America & The Fitness Industry

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

Join us as we dive deep into the world of aesthetics, fitness, and holistic well-being. Joe, a renowned fitness expert and wellness enthusiast, brings you a captivating blend of knowledge, insights, and inspiring stories from experts and individuals who have transformed their lives through the power of aesthetics. In this episode, Jo takes us through his thoughts on Teenage Substance abuse, Thoughts on America & The Fitness Industry.Sponsors: BetterHelp:https://www.betterhelp.com Use code: RAWTALK for 10% off your order Greenchef: https://www.greenchef.com/pages/podcast?c=RAWTALK60&mealsize=2-4&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=podcast60off&utm_content=act_podcast_podcastads&vs_campaign_id=066ffda2-e71c-4716-9827-9e70c4ef1681USE CODE: RAWTALK60 for 60% offSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK...LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: / @rawtalkclip SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: / @bradleymartyn SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartyn...RAWGEAR:

Well, damn, man. So from like across the world pretty much. That's right? Yeah, yeah. How do you feel? Good. You know, like it's better, but it's a 14 hours jet lag. You still tired?

Let's say it comes in waves, man. I can't really sleep. But as I'm here also, you know, it's the first time for me in the US. Yeah. And I just realized that, you know, he also is legal. So I use that to be able to sleep. Yeah. It helps me big time.

So wait. So obviously, you like to smoke wheat. But back there, I'm assuming, like, where do you stay mainly, Thailand? So I stay, I don't know, is it okay with the mic like this, or should I sit more? She's a little closer, yeah. And just, like, adjust it. Yeah, so in Thailand, they just recently started to legalize wheat, kind of.

And they have been the first Asian country to make it medical prescribed. So I actually had a medical prescription license already since a while over there. I mean, I never, I did never admit to this ever. I never said this before that I smoked, bro. Really? No. I feel like, wait, so you, even on your socials, you never showed that? No.

Oh, okay. Never said it ever anywhere that I would smoke. I think it's pretty common. I think it's a lot more common, I think, and like now I think it's really a lot more acceptable, you know? I used to smoke a lot more. I stopped, I didn't get like bad anxiety if I smoke too much, man. Yeah.

You ever get anxiety from smoking too much? Yeah. For me, let's say, it helps me with, I'm doing it in the evening if I do for sleep. To go to sleep, yeah. Mostly sleep. Or also when you answer DMs and comments and stuff, and there's some internet trolls.

You're just in the zone and you're more calm, bro. Otherwise, I get too high temper with these online, right? I say some stupid shit. And then you just be quite easy to react, yeah. But you are more calm. Well, how long have you been doing social media? Yeah, that's the thing. I was watching you also since ages and I've been also doing

it now since I don't know man it's like six years now for me six yeah yeah how long have you been doing it now 12 13 years yeah I remember when I started I've watched your stuff already that's dope man that's cool so so when did you really start to see success on social media for you for me it was like this I was always kind of small and I was doing it next next to my normal job and what was a normal job at the time so I'm a technical draftsman it's like an architect I would these windows and doors if you make a new building and all these doors and windows and stuff that you do i would plan this on the computer a bit like an architect yeah then um i made some further educations blah blah blah ultimately i just worked in a factory as my last job like in a microchip factory before

you started doing fitness stuff before i started to do fitness stuff for money so i do it for living yeah right so in because so i was always doing postings on ig and all this stuff because let's say Back in the days, I knew I had, I've seen these guys. Back in the days, it was like Tom Coleman and, like, Jeremy Bondea and Sadec Haslovich, these guys been like the top, like dogs in terms of physique, right? Seas actually kind of just passed away by that time. There was like two years. He was kind of like gone by then.

And so, and then the new shredded aesthetics era came in. You know, that's when I was coming on with Matt Ogres and all this stuff, legend of aesthetics. Oh wow, yeah. This is a long hour ago. Yeah. This was when I was there kind of like coming up. My big success I had when I then posted this Alien Gaines video at one point and it went viral.

There was one video that kind of clicked that went viral and that got me 250K. And from there, I kind of like managed because people also believe that I'm just there because of alien gains. And that's all me. That's all Joe it is, you know. He can do nothing, but this fucking weird move. Yeah. Isn't that like the rippling effect is some sort of, it's not a disease. It's like some sort of condition, right?

They call it rippling muscle disease, though, as far as I know. Yeah. But technically, it's a cramp. It's a cramp. Yeah. But not everyone can do that. No. Yeah.

When did you realize you could do that? You just cramped? I sit on a toilet seat, you know, like, and I grab for the toilet paper, and then it's rippling like this. The most odd story, yeah. But so, so what, like, what made you think, oh, this will do good on it? Just because the visual of it? Actually, I can be honest.

Like, I saw it before from this guy, Usuma Obilo. actually. Okay. Like just a week before me, he already did this. And then I saw one video of him. And so I knew like, oh, wow, there would be some kind of movement possible there, right? And then as I experienced it more and more to happen, and I thought, ah, that's how he does it. You tense it up, you let the fibers that get shortened, let's say.

Yeah. Right? And you squeeze it. And then you stretch it out and it cannot extend as quickly. Yeah. So it starts to ripple in this way. But you would also see in every other muscle, you see how the biceps switch is there as well. Yeah.

Like it does it everywhere, kind of like my muscle is kind of just, you see my, my quarter here. Yeah. Why would it? You just have that disease, I guess. Yeah. But there's nothing bad to the disease now. Maybe you cramp more. Let's be honest.

The muscle is also, the heart is also a muscle. And that's my biggest concern always. It's like, what if I have such a bad cramp that my heart gets a cramp? It's called a heart attack. Yeah. It's not good. It's not good. That makes me scared.

That's why I'm also staying away from bodybuilding competitions too much because I would take all these diuretics. If I just stop eating salt and drink a lot and then I stopped drinking as well and you would pee everything out and then you take a diuretic as well on top and then you pee even more sodium out.

I cannot exist kind of. I cannot even walk anymore really good. And that's what's then scary is like, oh yeah, you have this already. and then you dehydrate yourself more, maybe your heart going to give up at one point. Yeah, that's scary as fuck. And that's not necessarily through dehydration,

but even just the fitness industry in general, a lot of people are kind of, you know, going out. I remember back, I think, when Rich Piana, you remember Rich Piana? Yeah, Rich was also one of these guys who was like one of the first industry who was very outspoken and cool, actually, really cool. Yeah, he was one of the first guys

who really started doing YouTube because he had like some production kind of like team helping him and then he I think he leveraged like the understanding of how to do it and then he was one of the first guys to really go hard on YouTube in the fitness industry

like way back in the day and also really like honest guy right with his supplements like real food and no BS and he would tell the truth yeah I remember when he went I was that's when I started getting really worried I was like oh shit this is like

because I would see him every day he would see him all the time training at the gold gym over here you mean you see him in person Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would see him all time because we were training at the same gym. So I would see him all the time and then like, you know, one day you're like, oh, this shit happened. And then I remember I was like, damn, I don't, you know, thinking like I don't want to end up. Obviously, you know, there's always more to that story and like I don't know all the details of it and the extent of it.

But with you, man, like as far as, I don't know how much have you ever talked about gear usage. Have you ever talked about that stuff on any platforms? Kind, a bit just like touched on it. Yeah, I try to be transparent as much as I can. Yeah. Because I, let's say, ultimately now that you get older and I get older. It's now I turn 30 and it's the first time when you realize like, oh, my God, time's really passing. Yeah, we talked about that.

When you came in the zoo, I was like, oh, fuck. You really age. You know, when you are still in your 20s, you're like, I can fuck around. I can play, man. Life is like a game. And then you're boom, now you're 30. Maybe it's not so much a game. If you now don't get serious, what are you going to do with 40?

You're still going to play around? Bro, I feel that. That's the first thing we talked about. when you pull up the zoo and I was like really I just turned 34 so I'm like oh this is like this one more year and then it's you're halfway to 40 dude that's it you're pretty much dead at that no I'm kidding but but it's okay so so with your stuff like have you have you ever I don't know how comfortable you are talking about it but have you ever done more or less like so yeah to be honest I did all kinds of crazy shit let's say in the past and stuff yeah

I've tried different dosages like the highest kind of test that I ever ran was 750 yeah and like never I did never use one single compound more than 600 milligrams so like 700 milligrams yeah test and then make the craziest cycle that I probably did was that stupid coach back in the days also who put me on 100 milligrams of prop and 100 milligrams of trend every day so that it adds up like 700 700 700 yeah that was a sick cycle I got I went I was 105 KG and start of diet it went down to like 102 just 3kG and then I didn't even need to do cardio I was this one guy who was just getting

more saucy and more ripped weight stays the same and just getting more lean and dry by the day. Fuck. Have you ever

tried any like growth or insulin or anything like that? Yeah. Yeah, I tried also like let's say

people would tell you like growth is so good is so good, man. Okay, obviously I need to try, right? Yeah. Insulin I was always

so afraid of man. Yeah, I tried a few times with insulin, you know, But as you also know, I'm kind of low body fat, and I diet always kind of or like halfway through. And insulin, if you eat a lot, it's maybe okay to do.

But for me, I try to do it. Let's say I take five, I use pre-workout. And then I try to do a bit here with like sugar drink and stuff. Then you do two, three, too many sets and you forget to drink on your intra workout. And you're really like hyper and you just drip and boys and it's like. Tired. Yeah, really like close men, close calls like two. That's scary.

That's scary. Don't do it. Yeah. That's like a whole different like level because it's a you could actually just overdo it really easily because the dosing is so small. Yeah. That's scary. Anyway, so getting into social media has has like, because you saw people like me doing it, right? Then you start to do it.

Did it change your perspective when you started like actually doing it? Because like obviously, you know, you're working in the, the factor you're saying you like you wanted to start doing it. Did like, did you think it was going to be what you thought it was going to be? You know what I'm saying? like once you started to have success in it and be in it was it better was it worse like let's say it's also it's like this journey where you kind of like you grow into it like you probably also grew into this like the community the gym zoo and then doing YouTube and all these things so you kind of like grow into this kind of job yeah and so I didn't really I knew like yeah this is what I want

to do or I knew I look good I could make a million followers with my account but I don't have this reach yet and I also want to be a fitness influencer ultimately when you are there you realize you are self-employed kind of but you have to also work all the time all the time yeah it's it's people don't understand creating a lot of content that you can consume is really nice but it takes time and effort and dedication also on a daily basis to wake up let's say do cardio take videos for your audience yeah edit and cut this all together so it's a it maybe it's more overwhelming it looks probably from everyone outside that sees us online they're like these guys have the nicest life they do fuck all all day they just go to the gym eat some good food yeah hang out with people

it's funny how that that's because i've i've definitely you know i've gotten messages over the years are like oh you don't know and it's like dude what the fuck like i think it's i mean but that's like with everything right like people just see it for what it is they don't necessarily see the behind the scenes of it you know what i'm saying so it's a common it's a common thing that people are going to know what's really going on unless like they're in it and they're a part of it you know what I hear you. Anyways, let's talk a little bit about Thailand, living in Thailand.

Why did you decide to go there? So I didn't really mainly decide to go. It more fell into my feet. It's been like a mate that I met when I started social media. He's in Switzerland. And so I went there to meet him to take content. And then his dad was a pilot

and they had all kinds of like free kind of flights always. And he said, Thailand is really good for content. Let's go there for like a three month trip. and let's do some content it's really have you been yeah yeah I went once nice

fucking beautiful man yeah it depends on where you go you can also go to fuck up places but anyways so then many things in Thailand

are bit crazy but it's just a different crazy than the crazy we have here in the US yeah like here also many things are really crazy

and weird so over there's just different it's maybe Asian weird yeah yeah Thailand

So yeah then went with this guy to Thailand the first time And as we are doing this kind of social media business on content Mostly it's about content So every day comes down to how much work you can get done How much content can you do do you spend three four days in a week Not doing anything and then just record one two days And that's good for you or you do content on a daily basis And I found it is the easiest for me over there

To do everything that I need to do I want to do without much distractions Why you think there's less distractions? Wasn't too much for me personally to do that which I desired to do. I wanted to become this guy, right, the social media influencer that I can make a real good living from this. So I knew I need to make content and keep pushing. So what I need to do, okay, go gym, look crazy, take videos, upload this and then support your community. So that's all I kind of then did, did and then I just got stuck there somehow.

And next thing is COVID hit. And then you were really stuck there. Then COVID came along and then there was like, yeah, no point now to go back to Germany. Yeah. No point to go here. Everywhere is lockdown. Because the truth is over there,

it was really everywhere else in the world was locked down. Over there was nothing yet. Nothing yet. And then when the world started to reopen up everywhere else, that's when they then had like three, four tough months. But I personally managed to have no lockdown. I didn't have a lockdown ever. Did you get the Vax?

I got the Vaxx. Did you really? Yeah. Oh. Even four. Really? Yeah. Why?

Yeah. And also, Brew, you know how it is. This is the same like you go to a party. You were worried about your heart? And you were a bit of wrong people. All of a sudden, you might do something on this party that you don't want to do because there's these people are like, you know, you should do it. Dude, fuck.

So I'm in this place also. I was in this place. We don't need to say where it is exactly. But I was there. and my friends say, like, if we can get it, you should get it, man. And I'm like, you got peer pressure into the Vax? Yeah, kind of. Is that what you're saying?

I don't know, like, fuck no. Yeah. Whatever. It is what it is. When I think about it later on, I'm like, what did I do, man? But, oh, my God, just comes into weird conspiracy therapy, conspiracy theories, because I did blood cleaning twice after all this. I did a plasma forosis with taking out heavy metals and all that stuff.

Oh, man. Yeah. did all this. I don't know. This is too controversial probably to say this. Wait, no. Say it. Say. I went to the doctor and I did my blood work again because I took my blood work all the time. And then I show it to the doctor and we kind of see these particles and I'm like, what is this? And then they all. No way. This is. Shut the fuck up. This is from this. And I'm like, oh my God. And then I show it to another of my friends and there's all kind of hidden websites that you can't get to, but it's like the dark media kind of web. And there's even more conspiracies.

This is crazy as fuck because I know you're the kind of guy. who for sure you got your blood work all the time and then you're telling me you got the thing and then you got your blood work and then it was fucking crazy and yeah and this guy's also big into it so he's like you need to do a plasmaphyrosis now so they poke like a fucking needle

into your arm here which is like like the like a pen you know like thick like this bright unbelievable thick needle and they take all your blood out put it into this machine and then clean it and bring it back so we did this with the heavy metal cleaning and all this stuff which

supposedly cleaned my blood. I did a D-dimer test and all this. I don't know if you know what it is. It's like this determines like the clotting of your arteries and stuff like D-dimer and like my D-dimer was this and then after all this it was dead. And then yeah. Did it improve after you got that removal?

Yeah, twice. I did it in six months period like one time and then the second time also expensive as fuck man. Like yeah, it's no fun man. So yeah, I was so shocked and the doctor was like you need to do it man if you want to like survive after you took these shots, bro. No way.

You need to do this now. Yeah, this was like that, actually. Oh, shit. Because I don't know if the nurse did something weird because when she took the, she, this in Thailand, obviously. Yeah. So when she then took out the blood and then it's like, there was some like a white thing in there.

And I'm like, what the fuck is that? And then they may be like, maybe like, maybe cholesterol. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? Then I show this to my friend, he's conspiracy. He shows me all these websites where. It's like, since they do this to people, so and so many they found this in athletes and stuff, and that's a weird reason why people, they die,

they have these white blood clots, tons of them in their blood everywhere. And so they're like, this is what you maybe have. We go to this other doctor and make further testing. And then I make further testing, and he's like, not white, it was not white anymore. There wasn't a white thing.

It was probably air-just, like the nurse didn't do it right. But he then said, there's these black particles. This is the heavy metal that you have in your blood. That whole thing just trips me out. it was such a crazy time man like an actual crazy time so ultimately what i think about this right now like after all i'm like that was it and is some kind of a flu and that's what it is and people overreacted maybe and whatever it is like people maybe saw but unity is also for making money yeah yeah and you know that there's maybe bigger people over us they can control much more things in different ways and they did let

this happen right yeah but ultimately i think think there was kind of an overreaction to this. Yeah, I agree, man. For sure. I mean, I kept my gym open during the time. It was just the whole thing that, like, when you started asking questions, there wasn't, there wasn't much, like, congruency with all of the things that they were doing, like, where, like, the planes, okay for planes to be here.

We don't got to get into it because we talked about it. I've talked about it tons of times before, but I just remember thinking, like, because I was getting so attacked by, like, the health services here, like, the public health services, and then you talk to them about, like, well, what about the planes? and they're like, oh, we don't care about the planes. That's not our jurisdiction because it's federal. I just remember there was so much like, it matters here, but it doesn't matter there,

but it matters here, it don't matter here. That's when I was like, clearly is like, you guys don't really give a fuck. It's just kind of control. So anyways, long story short, that was a fucking insane time. But so for you and for content-wise, you were able to, like, get as much done as you could in Thailand.

And then you're saying at some point, like it got, it was like reverse locked down, where it was like once it was open, then it was locked. Yeah, because then all of a sudden, Somehow they had this outbreak over there in Thailand, and then they been kind of like tough on it. And also the rollout of these vexas been just slow and stuff.

So they then then locked down. But also I was in Dubai by the time. And so I was kind of always managing it was, it was good. So talk about Dubai a little bit. Like I noticed a lot of, it's like a lot of fitness guys. They end up over there, then they end up back here eventually. Like Larry was over there and he's back here. I think you're, are you base now staying in Thailand?

Dubai and Thailand. So back and forth. Yeah. What would you say is like your home? to say feel both feels like home yeah not here no i've just been here for one and a half weeks now i can't tell yet but people they tell me all if let's say also it's like this if you look at everyone that got really successful in their life they always say like Arnold Schwarzenegger he went to the u.s that's what you need to do joe and everyone looks at me already like you came this far in your life without

they haven't been to the u.s yet and i'm like what do you mean i think these days with ticot and stuff you know this there's people maybe this guy sits there and i don't know somewhere in russia has like 20 million followers and has never left the city yeah it's definitely different now i mean you could you could have the success anywhere i think for sure there's like i think here right there's a lot of opportunity because everyone comes here because they think that's where you have to go so like you can make the connections or find the networking but at the same time too the internet is just it's so vast now that i feel like you can do it technically anywhere you've seen so much success out of thailand out of dubai yeah there probably one big factor that plays into all

is the algorithm and the location where you are at while you do your content in which language you are doing because for example TikTok and in Thailand it's not really that beneficial for me as an english speaking creator because everywhere where you are it always pushes the local stuff as well yeah so the algorithm is also a big factor that i found personally Dubai is not even the nicest for getting a lot of reach somehow i don't know personal experience So I always felt like get good reach over there in Asia. You get a better reach in Asia, you think? I felt so.

Than Dubai? Yeah. What about compared to here? That's, we will find out in a bit because always after two weeks when you swap your location, Instagram will detect where you are now. Your IP, yeah. And Snapchat, let's say all this year picks up. I think it's the most views you can make here probably.

Yeah. So would you ever make the move out here? That's what I'm trying to find out. That's why you're out here trying to figure out. So now I'm here. Yeah, exactly. Try to experience the U.S. and everyone's kind of welcoming me, happy to see me.

Like, it's a blast. It's really cool also to meet everyone. And finally, like you, you know, like I've been following and watching your stuff since so many years. And now finally have the opportunity to meet all these people that don't come to Dubai.

And maybe Thailand, no one comes to fucking Thailand. Yeah, yeah. And so when I'm in Dubai, then I have the opportunity to network a bit more, but obviously not as good as it is here in the US. Yeah. What else are you doing here that, like,

you kind of always wanted to do here that you're able to do now that you're like, what do you like about? I think I'm really big now into this big cars, bro. It's like just this V8 sound stuff. That's the first thing you were talking about my truck when you came in. You're like, oh, this is a V8 in this thing? You're because in Thailand also it's very difficult.

There's no really V8. V8 is for super rich people, bro. If you have a V6, you're already really good. Yeah, all these trucks are diesel, like two-liter engines nowadays with the emissions and stuff. I don't know. The tax over there is so insane. So you have a GLC-43 that I have. It's still a 150K.

Yeah. So it doesn't make fun to buy these sick cars, except you are extremely wealthy. So now I come to the US and I'm just here, and everywhere is a fucking truck with V8, big engines and this big block and stuff. That's exciting for me, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

Anything else you're really passionate about? So obviously you like cars. Cars, and then obviously I wanna see all these gyms. You know, I've seen Gold's gym Venice in movies and all this stuff. And now I have the opportunity to go there, see this experience, it meet people and all this, get confronted with this very cool yeah yeah you went to golds recently yeah with mike yeah with mike you're training did you like it was it what you thought it was going to be you know i feel like

i'm a bit spoiled because i went to dubai a lot also yeah and i had also like really good friends they kind of just but spoiled me and ultimately when it says maybe in movies everything seems to be a bit more fancy just like everything you know yeah that's true you maybe have a that is a bit more gloss and glamour around all this? Dude, at one point, true, that Gold's Venice was, like, so incredible in, like, 2017, 2016,

2016, 2015. And then once, like, I don't know what started to happen, like, with influencers, they kind of just didn't want people in there as much. Like, they didn't like the cameras. And then during COVID, it just got all spread out and they moved everything around. And I think some people like it, but I think a lot of people, like, it lost, it's like, I don't know, like,

they lost, it's kind of its flare. I cannot tell me, you know, we haven't been there, but you experience it many years yeah so you think before it was better than now oh yeah 2015 2016 was like incredible see there's probably now someone like on you can say in 1970 yeah yeah yeah yeah that's probably the best year i mean that's like you know unparalleled but like before everything got like because you went there right and it's like all kind of spread out yeah there was at one point it was like a little bit more tight tight knit and it just felt more i don't know everything felt closer you know for me a big thing is a good vibe in the gym yeah i think you did it also

well with zoo that everything is like in this one area yeah i like high ceilings that's why also your gym is really nice yeah i don't like when it's clinched together and then it has to be just also big enough that you don't feel like there's there's too crowded in there yeah that you're on top and so you have all these factors and i think gold's gym had this also at one point perfectly matched yeah with these different areas that they have spreads out you don't feel if it's busy yeah no i Dude, I think, man, the gym is all about the vibe. It's all about the people in there, the music. It's all about like the community for sure.

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on and off like shredded super shredded not that shredded I try to stay kind of lean but then also have times where I take old content put it in I would have two three weeks where I look more soft just don't really take new content and also the next problem that people think I take a lot more than I actually take gear gear yeah because they also believe that you can only look ripped like this if you take all these

extra supplements and i personally i really experienced it just again now in um march i did another show yeah try to get a pro card and i used a bit of trend did also not mention this before just 75 milligrams of trend how many times a week no 75 per week per week yeah on top of of of 250 tests what i did there so i did 250 tests i did 75 trend and then and I did 100 Primo also. I like Primo a lot, but also only I minimum, the minimum effect of those I always believe is the best. For example, you have people, kids,

they just start to work out and then they take like two CCs of tests a week while you can take maybe 0.5 and it gives you the same effects. Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's, it's just because where you're getting your information from. I think it's like, I think nowadays, people are realizing like less could be more, but back, I remember when I first started,

it was just like, you, there was like, you take 500 of this or that. you know there's a german approach where they say a lot helps a lot like that's what that's also a approach in germany literally bro in germany i tell you the dosages are fucking crazy what these guys take you can compare to these russian guys and stuff also just like hardcore and a lot helps a lot that's literally how they but it's just not necessary for sure not i think there's definitely a misconception where like but i also think it's kind of shifting where like younger younger guys know that like they don't have to do as much at least i hope so

because that's the thing is like it's you know it's a very serious decision that like I don't think people really understand that is what I feel like is also again the problem with the fitness industry in these days is that it's it's too well accepted

it's too easy to say like yeah why not you know I would take something like why should I not take something you you you everyone takes something these guys online take something this is the same like I don't know if it's true or not but I believe lately that festival

parties and drugs are really big that all these kitties they go to all these festivals and they all take all these i don't know if we can mention these substances yeah molly molly and ecstasy all that and they don't realize that this is very strong chemistry and they go to these fucking festivals and they fry their brain yeah yeah i just think it's you don't do that anymore no and so as you also have you all your friends they go and they do it and so like it's not even a big thing anymore to go and take molly for example it's like it's not a big thing we all go and we all do it so same with now with fitness is like we all these guys all take something it's not a big deal to take something by five years ago or something it was more less accepted

or so you had to hide it you know it's it was not that open yeah it definitely it definitely it definitely complicates thing because it makes you just because everyone's either now talking about it or like okaying it because like they're everyone's doing it it definitely makes more people think well maybe I'll try it I think the important thing at least if we're talking about the recreational stuff it's like yo you do that stuff too much it's it's gonna fuck you up same thing with the gear you do too much that shit it's gonna fuck you up that's the thing that I think needs to be taught is like moderation and people talk about moderation for but it just sounds lame so it's like I expect someone to make their own mistakes with it but at the end of the day like that's something

you really have to understand like all this stuff where we're talking about recreational drugs and specifically like we're talking about we're talking about XC and Molly like that stuff you can't sustain doing that a lot like it's gonna fry your brain it's gonna fuck you up like I know I don't know how many people I know who have like

abused that stuff for like too long and they're just like they're just fucking whacked out people like they're not normal anymore. No yeah but also what I now realize but this is actually really a thing and I'm like what the fuck it's like I'm here in the US now and I didn't know that here it's so they would put

I don't know, red 50, like some, they do some stuff. They put stuff in the food that is maybe not so good for you. I don't know, you know, because we're in Germany, it's all like very strict. You cannot put this, you can't about this, no artificial sweetener, no artificial colors and all these things that they do. And here's like not as restricted with these things. So in, so like I watched this guy, Paul Saladino, the carnivar do now. And like he's just talking basically if you rub your butt with toilet paper, this is

have estrogen inside and like, Hey, man, can I just live a normal, half for decent life, eat something without worrying that I will get poisoned? Yeah, there is definitely a line. Like, there's so much information now that it's like you, it's like, can you do everything right? You know? Because that's the thing. I mean, ultimately at the end of the day, though, it's like for everyone to decide their own individual journey, right? I mean, it's just you could just urge people to try to understand as much as they can. But at the same time, like do you like, do you and I don't, I don't want to live a life where like I have to look at every little fucking thing and make sure it's right every single time. I'd like to try to get some sort of general gauge on what I'm doing and like, you know, learn more and more. But if every time I ate, I was like, does it have this? Does it have that? It's like it's also going to drive you a little crazy. That's for me, but also for vegan, vegan stuff, for example. Like, it's maybe, that's why I'm very tolerant.

You can do what you want, but then also don't judge me. And if you don't want to eat meat, whatever, like, it's all cool. You can also be a tree if you want. I don't give a fuck. But why do you think, okay, let's talk about that. Why do you think we've gotten to this point? like in the world just in general where everyone wants everyone to just accept and understand everyone else. And I'm not saying that you're not supposed to accept people. I'm not saying you're not supposed to understand. But it's like it's gone to the point where it's like if you don't, it's like you're an enemy. And it's like it's it's just also kind of unrealistic to just be like, yo, you should just believe what I believe. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I've seen this lately here in the US a lot with I don't even want to mention this too much because it's very

controversial and I'm just like, listen, guys, humans in general, man, maybe we are a bit stupid sometimes and we need rules and regulations. Otherwise, we have kind of anarchy going on. And also, if you, maybe you, you cannot be everything you want eventually, you know, like, because just you feel like this and all this stuff, maybe, you know, this is very controversial for me also. I'm too old school with a shit, but I'm German. It's like, I got racing as well, like, this is a very fine line. Say, no, this is not okay. Or, yes you can just do it I have to be okay with you

I have to be okay with you how you feel how you look how you behave what is your opinion now everything has to be okay even though maybe it's just I get it so it's like not everything's for everyone

right and I think I think that the issues are arising now where you know whether someone wants to be this or do that or whatever it's fine right but the difference is now when someone says this this and this but then they want to look at you and say you have to understand everything about this and then

understand me because that's when it gets complicated when it's like you like I would never expect another human like you have to you have to understand me you need to understand and expect like this and it's like it's just you're all just trying to figure this shit out right it's like I'm trying to figure out a ton of shit about myself I'm trying to work through all my fucking problems like there's so much shit I'm trying to like get through in my own life that damn I can't account for everything in everyone like I'm definitely tolerant I'm like yo you guys make your decisions but like if it's where you're looking at everyone else like trying to force their decision down your throat it's like that's when it becomes like people are like what's

happening you know that's why let's say if we are in the same if you are everyone lives private and we never meet each other this is one thing but we live in a society yeah and that's what is like a society community where we kind of still have to deal with each other and like interact with each other and therefore some kind of rules and regulations just need to be in order and that's why otherwise we can't just be communicating with each other or like handling each other situation. Do you understand? I don't know how to say in Englishmen.

Say it in German. You can translate it? Worset. Yeah, that you kind of like in a society, I kind of respect that we have to understand each other and we have to find a middle way. That's actually what the society, I believe, kind of means. We have to find a way that everyone can be kind of okay with this.

A middle ground, yeah. middle ground and that's where just hardcore like I don't hardcore people they say no no middle ground because that's what I say is real yeah right so that's why this started to just become a really big problem I believe lately because

now people keep attacking each other for way too much why you can also just say like why you give a fuck just mind your own business yeah yeah well it's the internet because the internet's the information age and like everything is out there and everything is seen and things go viral and you disagree or you

agree and then it's like so then people also use all this stuff to their advantage to get views to you know to get click whatever so it's like it becomes a nasty cycle man people like drama we know that man people just fucking love drama you telling me and um yeah this is very everything is very new for me also in the u.s you know this is i'm so not used to these things for example also i'm not used to kind of the waiter talks with me a lot and all this stuff you're in a restaurant and all this i'm just not used to like having people like from the u.s that are more open and outspoken or I just walk on the side of the road and there's this guy and he just starts maybe screaming at me whatsoever you know I don't know maybe he's drunk or on drugs or something

where were you in Venice yeah just probably on drugs yeah and then just some guys on his skateboard comes by and stops and starts like singing and who at me and stuff and I'm just like what the fuck is this guy doing I hope you got that on camera no I don't have pretty funny yeah so there's a lot of things for me that is just not normal I don't know if I can touch on to this but like I should, but this, also this tip, this tipping culture here, bro. This is strange, very strange for me, bro. Because, for example, I order Uber Eats. And so I order this food from this restaurant and then the price is like this.

And then I stay pay. And then it says, add a tip for your Uber driver. But isn't a tip something that I give you when you give me a good service? You know what I mean? So I should now, I tip you. So anyways, I feel like I'm an asshole if I don't tip. I know, bro. They even have tips for some reason.

I've seen this too. This was going on around the internet. Tipping on like an automated service where like you're not even, there's not even someone there. We've been. I've been in this new shopping mall where I order food on the display and then I can pick it up from these restaurants. And there it asks me and it shows me the minimum thing is like 15%.

And so again, like where is the interaction between me and you that I now, now I feel like, yeah, that's what you guys say. Yeah, but the restaurants, all these workers, they get. paid so less and if they don't get the tips then they cannot survive yeah it's like they just fucking pay them more yeah but then also it's like now if i'm in the restaurant and the waiter comes and he's like hey man how are you today how's your day going and i'm like why are you so friendly you know what i mean and then i have this feeling like he's probably just friendly because maybe he wants me to give a good tip i'm also crazy probably in this extent but it's so new for me

i'm like okay i see this display i see Starbucks also they say like here yeah okay what is name okay Joe so the display will ask you a question and then you can pay yeah yeah it's like there's no question this is a tip so okay I tip one dollar okay but then like if I don't tip you also you you see this straight up and it kind of makes me feel like as a human being this is this is strange for me bro I swear just put a service charge you know yeah just say in general there's 15% in these restaurants this restaurant charge 10% service charge some places do that very rare very rare. But some places do have service charges. Or like if you have service charge, right? And I still feel like you did a good service to me. I still going to tip you. It's not like that. It's not like

I only tips. But if I now I feel forced into it. Yeah, no, I know. It's a difference. Like that's not what a tip is. A tip should be like, oh, you went above and beyond did a great job. You should get more money because you, you earned it. Versus like those automated things are just like just give us more money. You're also like the Uber driver. So now I'm ordering and then it says, okay, add the 15% tip from your order. Let's say order for 50 bucks. Then I have like $7.50. And it's like, yo, what if that guy doesn't even show up on time? So that's what I mean. So how do I know he will drive good? So I give him the tip before I even seen how he drove. There must be a different service that it's like it asked me for this tip after he arrived,

gave me the like everything went well. What I normally do is I remove the tip and I just give him cash in person. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's good. Yeah. But ultimately it's like I'm just thinking technically you get already paid or at least I assume you get paid. But probably is it so little that if you don't get the tip, then it's just not good for you. So that's why I'm like, it's a bit of a fucked up system. Yeah, I mean, do you. Employers give a bit more money.

So these people, they don't need to rely on the tips. But because I think this is more about what is it called one raven doesn't spit out another raven's eye. There's a saying like this in Germany, you know? One bird won't make one other one blind because for them it works really good. And for these guy, it works really good. of people benefiting maybe good enough from this that's why they don't change it yeah i don't know what other things what other things here do you think are super like different than from from where you are

that like stand out because i can tell that stands out to you as i just been in la it's probably also difficult for me to tell right there's so many the u.s is so big yeah and everyone told me that other cities and parts of the u.s are just different culture yeah but what sticks out the most is definitely the more open the openish people be more open just like more outspoken talk with you more engage with you more

yeah you know and in Dubai you know how it is in Dubai like yeah always it is everyone is just like yeah have a mask on their own thing not just you know I order my stuff from some waiter they are just like okay sir yeah and here you have the guy

works at McDonald's and you try to order from my drive through and he just like Jesus pissed off his job and he just doesn't even really reply to you you know and you are just like like can I want to order a coffee dude like why are you now like talking with me so like weird and you drive there and you see him and he's kind of on drugs or something in his job like you know like I don't know in every in Asia is same are you in Venice at this

McDonald's I feel like you're still in Venice here maybe I don't know to say where dude that's funny so this is just strange that also I would now experience people that that are at their jobs that they maybe really don't like and they show you as a customer And that's very new to me because, for example, in Dubai, even these guys, maybe some of them, they don't like their job, they will still be polite and respectful and just don't say anything, really. So, okay, so then that's the question, right? Is like, do you think because, I don't know,

there must be some sort of sense of entitlement here in the U.S. that just doesn't exist over there, or there's culturally just completely different? Because that's the only explanation, right? Like, we're saying, like, in Dubai, people are like, regardless of they, maybe they don't like their job or not, they still show respect, right? Here, it's like everyone's, like, better than,

everyone else or they're like upset with something so they show you there there is definitely just culturally different and it's it's interesting for sure and i wonder why it's gotten that way here like probably more than ever i swear to god dude i know it sounds crazy i think it's the internet oh yeah 100%. the smartphone in the internet that that opened up a whole new world for people to feel now like i have all these rights and i want to claim them yeah while in other countries for example in dub if you steal maybe they chop your hand off yeah that's why no one steals. So if we would be so strict,

maybe we have less crime here also. Yeah. And so that's why I'm just thinking maybe over there's hardcore, but how people live in peace and harmony together. So maybe people need rules. Middle ground.

Middle ground, yeah. Yeah. decency. But then we are here in the wild US, you know, wild and free. That's what I feel like. Everyone is wild and free and they want to also show this to everyone. I can do whatever the fuck I want,

you know, you cannot tell me anything. I don't need to fucking vex. I don't have to take a mask. I can, my truck can be loud as fuck. I can, you know,

whatever I want, because this is the US. Yeah, it's a little catch 22 because it's like we were like, we wanted to be a certain way, but we also enjoy like all the shit being a different way.

So it's like I said, I think we just, I think we just find a little bit more of a middle ground and I think it'd be great, man. But I don't know how the fuck we're ever going to get there.

100%. I also believe so there's some problems that need to get fixed here and it would be an awesome society to live in like is this also already already an awesome society right right it is you know we have to be anyways thankful or grateful that we are in these parts of this planet yeah because there's so many other spots in this world where it's just much worse and we are complaining about like we have water and can eat from food every day so there's no doubt man

I'm grateful as far thank god it's like at the same time we complain about it it's like it is also really a big blessing yeah yeah because we also want to make it somehow a bit better, right? Or like we see things or like for me as a tourist that comes here the first time and I'm 30 years old now. I've never been here. I've seen it in fucking Spider-Man movie and stuff, right? That's why it's crazy for me. I'm driving and then there's a fire truck passing by and I'm like, what the fuck? This fire truck looks like that? I've seen it in Spider-Man, but I haven't seen it in real life. Your reaction is so funny, man. That's hilarious. I get it though. It's cool. I just, I like talking to you about it because like you're like, it's

interesting to me your perspective because you literally grew up somewhere completely different like your whole life's different so it's always just cool getting an outside perspective especially from the places you came from that maybe were a little bit more strict because obviously there's there's downfalls to that sort of like nature as well right like what was it like the the germany thing growing up there you know that's funny because i was thinking here is a bit like Berlin let's say in german like some big city in germany with UK mix that's what it feels for me here because now the weather was like you had a spring weather in Germany yeah feels the same fresh like also like in terms of like humidity humidity everything kind of similar like yeah cool nice but in terms

of how people are yeah it's just like I said more wild and free here kind of this is what you get people there are a little bit more like robotic would you say yeah not not even I think people probably more robotic in Germany okay yeah that's what I mean yeah in germany people are more just like yeah like more like strict also you know these german german things like but everywhere changed in the last five five to ten years you know i also like i ask myself why is germany even still why are we still germany what you know in another country they can say our culture what where is the german culture now what is it by the way is it october fest that's all and then we dress up like some bitch you know what would you say it is yeah

it got slaughtered somehow. It also got taken away because of every other like people who migrated they brought their culture into there and again now everything has to be accepted and has to be okay. So these cultures also got mixed and some things

that you might stand for you are also not allowed to do anymore because this is not okay for this other culture. Yeah. So that's why I'm just wondering like what is because back in the days you know German quality was always like yeah really good quality and like germans they're always on time and like something up like something positive and

now i felt like so why why is why are we still this what is what what makes what the what is the what makes you shine in this extent what are great things about this country anymore because now i see also with with with uh with with this like war stuff that's going on and people are getting influenced a lot through also these tv media and stuff so that creates like more fear and and conspiracy and like divide between people. Yeah. And then that's just somehow toxic, I believe. So in the last few years with this COVID stuff,

it's just somehow I feel like more people are just more negative about everything. In Germany. Yeah. Would you ever see yourself living there, like fully? When I'm old, maybe also again. Yeah, but as I've been in these warm places, I like it warm. I've been, I had winter and had to deal with this shit for like 25 years. And then so since I've been.

now traveling and I decided to go where it's warm it's much nicer for me yeah how you find it though like are you with the seasons yeah i mean it's beautiful here man it's the hardest thing is just like you know california at times could be like obviously so fucking incredible because the amount of stuff you can do it's just like it's got its downfalls like anything else i would just honestly honestly say less because i've been i've been all over the world um i've spent a lot of time in Miami I've traveled like Europe and overall like I would definitely say that this is be a great place to live but you know at times it's just like you know if as a business owner and then sometimes just too much on too much on but trust me this is probably

anywhere else in this world also like in Thailand this is the same now as I'm here I can think or see these benefits that I have over there why is so epic why when you are nonstop there you are like yeah this is not so nice actually you know like same if you always here you stop appreciating it yeah well that's part of it i mean i don't get me wrong i fully appreciate i love it here it's just sometimes it's way too fucking expensive um but yeah overall it's like it's a good place because again for me the the thing that i enjoy the most about it is just the amount of people who come here right like you're from a completely different part of the world but you're here right and it's always been that way and since i've had the gym open

for the last like seven eight years it's been that way and i've seen so many people come through from all over the world because they want to visit L.A. So the thing that I like the most about L.A. in California, because of L.A. is the melting pot of everything, right? I've seen that now, like, I didn't know that you have all these mountains. There's a crazy variety of things

that you can also do here in this area. You have sea, you have the ocean. You can, let's say you can go skiing somewhere, you can go hiking, you can go with your car nicely, you have the beach, you have quiet, you have everything that you could imagine also you have around the corner. Yeah, everything's here.

Everything's here. So off the topic of California locations off a little bit, I'm curious about your progress on social media. When did it really start to pick up? And was there ever a time when you were like, you know, I don't want to keep doing this shit? Like, have you ever got burnt out on it? Let's say it's easy to get burned out on it when you died hard.

And I personally didn't really have a team good one, really good team of people that said that helped me to create all this content. So I'm kind of this one-man army dude that has this vision, what he wants to do. But the people who help me to create the content, maybe don't have the greatest skill set to also just, let's say if you have like 8 million followers or whatever million, if you have 1 million followers, you're probably very critique in how you want your content to be. And then some people, they would take a picture and say, this is good enough. But maybe there's so much competition now out there, then it's just not good enough anymore. So I'm quite picky with this stuff. Even though my content maybe sometimes looks really low quality, there's always a lot of break.

process behind I relate to that so heavily like that's been my biggest downfall on on social specifically Instagram because I've I got to a point where like everything had to be like this viral thing and it really puts you in a position where like

you then start to hate everything else even though it could be good content you're just hyper focused on it being like this kind of like top tier level and it actually hurts you because the platform itself if you're just not posting enough like you're fucked like it literally fucks your engagement um and you're not gonna grow etc right so for the last

like fucking four years i've been just like yo i'm gonna post more and then i get in my head as soon as i start to post i'm like it's not good enough it's not gonna and i've really dealt with that shit i feel you big time yeah and this is something that people also out there mostly they don't understand they they see a video but they don't know what you see already when you benching these two chicks left and right and all that what you did man you did what you did on this this rolling the hoverboard I did everything

you did some super crazy shit so I can imagine yeah you have this vision of that's how it's gonna look like yeah and it just doesn't turn out this way and then you are like this is I don't want to put this out like

yeah I also got to a point where like I did everything I did everything like where I was like okay I don't even know what else to do now and then you're like shit where do I go from here yeah

because you kind of I've kind of put myself in that position like kind of unknowingly obviously like it's working along the way but then you what I realize

if I look back now, the thing that I should have done, for the younger creators out there listening, I should have had more balance overall with my content, where it wasn't like every single video was like something insane viral. And it was like, didn't have to be this outrageous thing where it's like I could just post more photos, more basic things, not being so worried that I have to look fucking insane in every photo. You mean like a movie star that just sits there on the couch like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And gets half million likes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I feel you because I also do the swipe videos and I'm so picky. So let's

you get 10 days good but you had 100 videos already used up for these posts and so you burn a lot of ammo doing this and then you have a shitty picture and you're like it's not even good enough why would I you know like that right now algorithm and Instagram is also super fucked oh my god there's these let's say back in the days you would post a shredded picture in the mirror mirror selfie yeah and it just blows up and now the most hardcore shredded pictures they just don't work but some simple reels like with some it's about intention right now attention and whatever the algorithm features yeah so it shifted it shifted and it changed and i see also you've seen it probably two people they don't understand it at all and they just keep posting the stuff that doesn't work

yeah and they don't understand it but you also have been really smart about yeah finding the idea creating these viral bangers which ultimately maybe burns you out because there's only so and so many viral bangers that you can do it burns you the fuck out yeah i don't know if it's good or bad i don't No, no, man. Ultimately, you grew yourself up with this. You grew yourself to who you are right now. So ultimately was good. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm not saying it was a bad thing. I'm just saying like about the consistency, right? That you can consistently keep up these postings. Yeah. Would have been better if you, yeah, I feel you on this one also. I just had like a little more variation where I didn't think it had to be a 10 out of 10 every time. If I was just like okay with it being like a five out of

10 every once in a while and just like having it in between. That would have gave me a lot more peace of and just able to just keep going without like worrying. Also, if you stop with these platforms, they are so fast living, like the next georesthetics do this out there somewhere already, growing this page. Doing this shit. Yeah, there's someone. Like the next Bradley Martin, he's already like, they are now 20 years old, these guys just, or like 16 even just.

All of them. There's so many new ones coming. And then now when you have luck, for example, like I see lean beef patio, there's a cleaning guy, the Anatoly who is just cleaning around. I think it's crazy because I look at that. I'm like, it's the same thing every time. Yeah, yeah. And they love it every time.

I'm like, what the fuck? And in two months, I think four million followers in Instagram. That's insane. It's insane. Like, what the fuck? So people's life work. They're building this one million follower base since 10 years. And then a dude comes in cleaning equipment.

It's funny. It's funny. It's two months like blows up like crazy. But like I get it. But I also like, I also don't get it because it's the same thing. But it's the way he talks and all the shit, right? No, I know. It's funny.

It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. as fuck but like but if you but if like every time i click on a video i know it's going to be the same thing but it hits every time yeah i'm like yo i got to start cleaning equipment and picking up fucking weights apparently yeah i was about to do one i was going to do a parody yeah i think i'll do that you should definitely but but i've i got to go somewhere like completely different i got to go to like a random gym i think because he by why his is popping off so much because he

actually kind of really skinny looking when he wears this and he puts on the wig and he has that beard and the way he talks because he's Russian. So it's all this. It's just a recipe. That's why I say some people sometimes are lucky and have a really good recipe for what they are doing. Yeah. And also you had a really good recipe with all these things. Yeah. No, dude, I, I figured out. Like, honestly, I remember telling the story. Um, because I didn't know though, too, like while I started it, there was no like, there's no one that I was looking at as like an example of someone who's doing it because like I was like the first kind of people doing it in the example. Yeah. It's crazy.

You've been one of these first people who had really big success with all this. So, yeah, I see there's no real. Now people can look at it. They say, you've been my inspiration. But like, there was no one. That's why there's authenticity from your side also. That's good. Yeah, I appreciate it.

But that was the thing, right? Like, I didn't know that things were going to like be this thing that we could all like, like literally make businesses from. I didn't. I was just doing stuff that like I was actually doing. So the authenticity, like you said, was there. And then so somewhere along the line, I was like, Okay, people like, I knew this based on just like posting.

They were like, oh, this guy's like, he's got good abs. And then as soon as he did videos, I remember videos came out and I was like strong. So they were like fucking strong. Yeah. So they were like, this guy's like looks good and he's strong. I was like, okay, they like that. So I kept just showing more of it because I would see the response, right? And then it started to grow.

And then I'm watching Pump and Iron one time. This is a true ass story. This is how I was like, okay, I got it. I'm watching Pump and Iron. This is when right around the first time video came comes out. I've seen Pump and Iron prior to this, but I was watching it again just because I liked the movie. So I'm watching it. Video had just come out on Instagram and I'm watching it.

And I remember there's a scene where Arnold is, he has that thing, you know, he goes like this with that thing. And he has a girl on his shoulder and there was a girl at his feet. And it was a quick bit where like he's going like this and a girl's up here and the girl's down here and his feet. And he's like doing a shoot for like this product. Right. And I was like, I was watching it. And I was like, girls. I am going to involve girls.

It's going to work. and then like lifting them that's that's when i came with the idea and i was like this is it this is what's gonna and then like it fucking blew the fuck up 100% yeah that's when it's when it got different for me obviously i jumped out of the pool that went viral but then as soon as i started involving girls it's just the visual of it and it's like this is not normal to see this and now it's like every motherfucker on the internet lifts girls or they're lifting some crazy shit but it's it's cool i get it because you see what works and you kind of like recreate it but i think it's true what you said about the point of the authenticity

Like, I think when you, like you said, you find that little formula. And a lot of times it's because there is like, there is some authenticity in it. Because I think nowadays, because everyone has done everything a thousand different times in thousand different ways, the people who are going to continue to have success and sustain success are going to be the people who like still have that authenticity in what they're doing and how they do it. You know what I'm saying? I think so.

Yeah, because now it's, let's say also is different. Like five years ago, there have been few influencers and stuff. But now every kid wants to be. Every kid's an influence. Everyone is also having now 10,000 followers and something and everyone wants to get free products and like, no one is just consuming this anymore. You are now like, let's say if I wouldn't have all this,

maybe I would have Instagram and I would follow my friends and I would see what my friends are doing and liking this, follow some people like you and me, and that's it. But now everyone is like, no, I need also, I need to post, I need to get all these likes and I need to make something with this. And I also want to be famous. And that's why now everyone also starts to, okay, what can I do?

we can do this I can live girls I can drink weird stuff I can do yeah and like now people are just that's why the variety is so big now and so many more talents

many more talents also TikTok open up a whole new world for people oh yeah with their all like now if you have a talent in this world

you can make money with this back in the days let's say I was a good what is it called drummer you're a good drummer no I'm just saying oh back in the days

if you were a good drummer I was like you threw me off I didn't know You could make music, but now you could just have a YouTube channel and drum and have your magazines, back in the days there was Goals, like Flex magazine, now you can have your own magazine. There was TV shows. Now I can have my own podcast show and we sit here, this. Similar. So that's how it evolved, I believe. So ultimately more people are just doing the same thing that we've been doing. Yeah. But only a few people succeed because of the authenticity and

character like you are like how can i say you are energetic you are cool you have a vibe you have an aura me yeah oh nice and not everyone has it oh thank you what color is my aura it's hard it's not to describe in a color bro it's just you can feel this okay cool okay i like that yeah are you big into like energy and shit or what somehow yeah i believe in this i didn't do much prologelics though bro like i was not uh taking tons of like lSD and that's why i'm now like this no but i'm just believe in all these things and kind of like aura and like charisma and like uh yeah like how it's like kind of undeniable right because like it's it's not even so much like this hippie psychedelic thing right i love psychedelics i love mushrooms they're great but the point is like you know when you walk

into a room and you talk to someone and you get a vibe you know like right away you could feel that it's undeniable this is not even like a really opinion thing and then you know you talk to someone else you get a different vibe you get a different feeling right which is why you're drawn to certain people or you're drawn away from certain people yeah you know it's not even it's not even just about drugs or anything like it's just that's like that's a real thing that happens also i believe this is all about this kind of some people are followers and some people are leaders yeah right so not everyone that's also has watched a lot of like business coaching and stuff and they say not everyone can be a leader some say everyone can be a leader but also not everyone has the capability of being a

leader of a pack and some people are just more easy to follow rules accept this and like be in a smaller scale kind of like more I don't know how I can say this like they're wasting their potential actually but for them the life is more easy to just follow along yeah while other people say that's not I'm more than this yeah I just think there's just certain people that just like and because here's the reality right like it's okay like if someone thinks this the style of whatever their life is if If they're accepting it and that's what they want, go for it, right? There's just some people just want more. And just if you're willing to like try to have it, I think those are the people that you'll notice like, oh, they're the ones doing it.

I mean, that's just the truth. So, but I do believe I think some people just don't want it or they don't think they're maybe, maybe they think it's not available to them or they're not going to be able to do it so they're afraid. I think that so there's so many levels to like why people make it or not in like certain things. how about distractions overall for me when you grow up then you have i don't know how about your love life bro with girlfriends how you say women are women let's talk about it let's talk about it what do you think bro women can i believe the problem is these days now women can just fuck you up completely as well bro they can ruin your life like you have something good going on for yourself but maybe now you are putting too much time and energy into this woman bro like uh yeah it's it's for me

I had to learn all these things. Yeah, so this is, I'm glad you brought it up. Okay, so women, past traumas, like childhood traumas, all these things, they're all, it's obviously like all big learning points. Like, we'll talk about traumas, right? Like, things that you grow up with where some shit fucks you up and then you make assumptions as to, like, what it means or how it's affecting your life then. And then if you never fully, like, address it again, it continues to just, like, linger

throughout your whole life and linger throughout relationships. Like, my father taking his life and my. idea of like me being good enough in friendships in business and in relationships it would seep through all of those things and affect all of those things where it's like it's not that I don't want to be good in certain things it's like I didn't allow myself to because of like these preconceived ideas that I created as a child in relationship to myself worth you know what I'm saying and I'm not saying it's a good thing right it's just this is the reality for people listening is like trying to address those things the sooner you can because the more you're

going to be able to like really learn the lessons and like shift your perspective so that you can move actually forward effectively because that's the thing right like we'll talk about women in a second but everyone has gone through some shit whether it's like really really tough or not as tough it's all perspective right we've all gone through something so it's just a matter of addressing those things because every single time we go through something the first time it's the worst right and if you make all your decisions and like your assumptions of now of people based on that thing then and you're not like open enough to allow like you know maybe this time you're not going to get fucked over like I was always so afraid of opening myself up

and opening my heart up to people because I got hurt and because something got taken out of my life that I was like why did this happen to me and am I not good enough in this whole fucked up like relationship to like my self worth that it made me afraid to open up to people because I was feeling like oh I'm not going to be good enough I'm not going to be good enough right So I allowed myself to To rescind myself And then ultimately would get the things that I didn't want Which was like this person would leave my life

Or this friend would leave my life Because like I wasn't able to give enough To have a good relation because it was afraid So I was living off of fear because I never went And like addressed those things in my life right So women are a very similar thing to this Right The same sort of things happen when like you're you know

Because it's all like heartwork stuff inside Like when you get hurt and emotion, all this stuff is involved, it's very easy to like all the things that, you know, do also really matter for you as an individual, like your work or, you know, like your family or your business, things that are outside. It's hard to like put the time and effort into energy into those things when you're drawn trying to like fix something or mend something or like make something better. But the fucked up thing in all of it is that like certain things just like as much people don't want to hear this. just aren't supposed to work as much as you want things to work because like you want it to be what you think it can be the true work needs to be done inside us the individual yeah man because if you could truly fix it up in here then you're going to attract what that is because we all attract we're all reflections of each other we all attract what we are in that moment and if we are

a dirt bag and you attract a dirt bag like because you didn't do the work to fix that dirt within yourself you're just going to get you're going to get taught that same lesson to how to get out of it so it's with women it's tough like if you haven't done the work to like evolve you're going to find someone in your life that's going to like kind of push you to evolve and a lot of times it's going to take your energy away from your business your friendship everything else that like you should be focusing on yeah because now you have some second person in your life and now you have feelings for them now you love them yeah and they love you too and so now they are maybe kind of really broken and they have many issues and now you want to help and that also trying to like fix someone

right like there's the problem like sometimes women are just so hurt and from their old past and how they grew up and ex-boyfriend cheat on them and whatever the fuck happened and now you meet me and you assume every man is the same and i have to spend so much time and energy kind of like fixing something that's broken and that all time and energy i don't put into some other things that are maybe maybe We don't know, more valuable, better for you, for you smarter to do. Well, the fucking thing about what you just said is like, it's not your job or anyone's job

to fix someone else, right? Like, it's your job to show up the best you can and to like be there for someone. But like, you can't fix someone else. You can't piece someone apart and be like, oh, fix all this stuff. It's like, they gotta wanna do the work. That's the point.

That's the main point. They want to. They need to understand that I now say, I want it. It's not you that shows me in me that's not good and you should change and you're like yeah but like i see it i accept it i realize it and i understand that it's not good and then i should change for the sake of myself not because this person but that's sometimes very difficult and there's where arguments can come

up along and all this stuff and sometimes also we have the problem that people we meet get all tangled up in a relationship but maybe this is just not meant to be like you said it's just not meant to be and you're using a lot of time and energy to make it work, ultimately it doesn't work. And then you get cheated on again and stuff. So how would you know, how would you know when it's right to make it? Like, how would you know, just from your perspective, when would you know it's right to make it work?

Because that's a question, right? A lot of people are going to listen to this. And it's like, that's the toughest thing is to know when is it right. It's so difficult. It's so difficult to say because it always like, never give up, right? Never give up. Never give up on someone. And this is again, this is the picture of like this leash where it's like around your wrist

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Let's get back into this podcast. We ate a step away. So that's why, yeah, a lot of people are then also tangled up in relationships and they can't escape from it. And that's why they also ruin their life or don't get where they want to be or they don't become the person they want to be because they try to make something work where eventually also breaks apart. What I just now realize is when you're like, I'm just turned 30,

but we have only so much limited time here. So we have so much, so many things to learn. and many people they never learned the most basic things so that's why they don't even know how to make a proper relationship work and all this so yeah the woman stuff I mean come back more to the women

and it can be very exhausting and distracting and I see now always like I look also at billionaires advice billionaires like I look at wealthy people and what can they teach you because ultimately they maybe made something better or did something smarter than you

in order to become who they are Yeah. And maybe I can learn a thing or two from them. So, and then many times I know so, the partner you chose in your life will affect so much. Damn. Like what's going to happen to you? Like the wife you choose will determine whether you go up or down. Yo, hold on.

Tell me what. Your voice is hilarious, but like, why are we on the same side of like fucking wherever you're, like, what platform are you on watching that? What platform? Because where are you seeing those quotes at? I don't know. Instagram? Short shorts from Instagram. Either Instagram.

Instagram or YouTube. Why are we on the same side? Because I'm seeing the same shit. You see that like I'm pretty, yeah, this is the billionaire, like something advice kind of stuff and it comes in.

That's why I also say follow things that are maybe helping you to grow. Yeah. Don't follow just bullshit and like cars and bitches with their tits out. Maybe you can follow some business advice coaching guys and also like some learner thing or two. But yeah. Yeah.

So now and I so I don't know. Yeah. What is your like if you mind me asking? What is your situation with this now looking like? Are you in a, have you been in relationships and then later on realize that it wasn't good? Do you want to talk about this? I mean, bro, like I could, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot.

And, you know, a lot that I put myself through. I can definitely say, like, without giving so many details, I've definitely been hurt. I've definitely dealt with the worst. I've definitely hurt people. And like I said earlier, I've just learned that it's, it's just our responsibility, like to really have a genuine good relationship, we have to be able to do the work. And for a long time, I'll be honest with you, I struggled with doing the work. And it's exactly why the internet.

And I'm not saying the internet's at fault. It was my fault. What happened to me was I was very upset with my circumstances in my life growing up. I was upset that like I grew up without a father. I was upset that I didn't have things that I saw other people have. I was upset that I felt abandoned. And when I found the gym, it was like, okay, I could avoid all of these problems because when I was in the gym, everything else disappeared in my mind did not think about the things that I didn't have if I wasn't good enough.

So I was just like, I love this. I'm going to do this every day. This is way before the internet, way before any of this shit was cool and it was fun to post. I was like, I'm a crazy person because this is the only thing that makes me happy. I want to do this as much as I can, right? Then I start getting into the internet. And this is the crazy thing. I had this like, I felt like I had to prove something to my father.

that I was good enough, right? So I'm in a gym and I'm like, I would use this like emotional energy to like to be strong because I wanted to be like, I know that I'm worthy, right? But I was like trying to prove it to myself in a weird fucked up way. And then the internet came and this is what fucked me up

with relationships and with people. Once the internet started to like take hold of my like account or say I started to grow, then I had this like, it's inward validation that I was trying to like prove to myself. Then it became outward. Then people were saying you're great. because you could do this, you're cool.

So I started to get fucked up on the validation, like, and then trying to search for the validation externally. So then I never fully fixed the internal self. I was just like, oh, I can just get more likes and like, I'm like living off of this high of getting more likes or getting more like validation from people, right?

Outside likes, follows, all this stuff, growing. And I made like for like 10 years, that's all I focused on. And it really affected my self-growth. Like when it came to people, right? Because it was just like, oh, well, if this person treated me bad, fuck them. I'll go, I can get likes on the internet. So I wasn't like consciously saying that, but a subconscious was living that way

where then I could just focus on like, oh, yeah, you don't like me, whatever. I got followers or I have this. And it was so fucked up, man. And then it got to the point where because of that, I didn't grow the way that I should or could have grown because I wasn't looking inward enough. I was just looking outward to like, where could I get likes? could I get validation. And that fucked me up, man. And I think that happens to a lot of people on social now where it's like the same thing. It's like you're going to find yourself,

you know, whether you're like a girl and like all your validation is based on like guys liking your photos and like you look super hot or like a fitness guy like getting likes and getting love. It's like you just get to a point where like it just it's going to stop filling you up. It's going to stop making you feel like you have purpose. If you can't find like that genuine connection to like yourself yeah that's that's why ultimately that's why i would say it would be nicer for example we you are an artist and you build stuff right we are not building our body but we are just building like statues whatever and then we can we we do work we do work for example a barber and we do work for other people and this product what we do that gives us this feeling of like

we doing good you understand that feeds our ego it's like the actual work that we do by here now we're building a body and we're showing an image to outside which feeds our ego while we actually not really been creating anything right yeah so if i'm if i'm an artist or like a barber even this is what i mean of a job you need to have these little success key moments every day yeah kind of that's what if you get these compliments if you don't get them you will give them yourself and all these things like small people like to get attention yeah so now if you ultimately have that's why i would say you want to be the guy behind the scenes actually you would just want to enjoy building this business

and having all these social media people doing this wild stuff because that's also always easy to affect your mental health. While I'm just in the background pulling the strings and also working hard, which makes me feel good, I'm building something, while social media is very like, what is it called, when it's on the surface level just, overfetched in German.

You mean superficial? Yeah, superficial. People, they also see only what you showed them. the strong guy and all this you know that this again feeds into your ego and then if you change something it also like takes a hit on your personal

on your soul kind of I feel like or like it's how can I say you feel less good about yourself and then you get like you validate yourself about likes and content now you get less you feel less good about yourself but if the work you are doing for example helps people it still helps people but now maybe you don't get a million likes

you get 100,000 it still has 100,000 people that are maybe affected and get positive influence from this what you feel like oh my god is so shit now yeah so it's well so the truth is for me i've i've evolved into this at least this content like this form and this conversation and this stuff that people can like get and learn from this i've i've got to the point where i'm like this is what i really love so i have evolved i have evolved what i've done and i like really find a lot of enjoyment in this and i find a lot of like just fulfillment in overall because i like learning about people i like understanding um so i i i i i have evolved i have

I will say like, at least for myself, I caught it and was like, okay, this is something that I can like really dive into and get a lot of fulfillment out of. And actually, too, when I look back on my Instagram content for the most part, sometimes here or there, I'll post up like a tweet on a story or like, you know, I'll write a really nice caption or something. But like, you know, I'm not the one to put like, I wouldn't put a quote and just put it on an Instagram because I know it's not going to get as much likes. But I'll write like a nice caption. So, you know, put something good there. But this. deeper than just the post. Exactly.

Deep than just like, I look jacked, right? Or some shit. You look shredded, right? So I am really happy of the evolution to like this sort of content. So I think that what it comes down to is learn and teach and like mentor and dislike. You know, that's why I think this is such a good thing. We all need to learn.

And in the best case, now people, they love you and you are the inspiration. And now you sit down, you talk with people like me about these things and people have the same issues. They have the same problems. Yeah. And now they can relate. We all do. We hear us talking about this, maybe finding some solutions. So I ultimately also, I believe so much in helping people.

And like we are many times weak alone. But if you have one helping hand, you can achieve so much more in your life. Yeah, that's a fact, man. So that's why I'm also like this stuff that you do is awesome here. And it helps a lot of people. And that's what also is my main purpose. I'm not doing this because I'm thinking I'm cool. I'm doing this because I just want to inspire and motivate people.

with these things that I do get to the gym and also I always say build yourself build a strong character that you can be proud of yeah I mean that's the key man I mean at the end of the day like everything else like what does it really amount to because at some point the body fades like successes don't really matter some someone else with success and money doesn't really like necessarily mean something it's very important for people to pay bills to eat like I understand that right but you get to a point in your life where if like you start checking all those boxes where you start to realize, oh, the true thing that really matters is helping people,

creating community, like building people up. And then the interesting thing that I look back on now, like, as I've done it, was that same exact concept of what really mattered is also why I started to actually have like real financial success, meaning like, I didn't come in on social media being like, I could be a social media influencer because like we talked earlier, it didn't exist. I came in and I was just doing my life and I was showing my life and then what I realized along the way was the thing that really started getting people invested in me as like a person was because all my YouTube content for a long time yeah it was fitness related but typically what I would

have done was just like film content talk about my workouts and then just talk about my life and then people were getting invested in that and I started to realize like oh these are the people who are coming back and then buying products and supporting me and then you know like helping me build my business and I realized like I was never like oh I want to just sell stuff and make money right I think a lot of people get into it now where they're like oh I want to like be like Joe and I want to like make money and like sell this sell that whatever right that's why they do it right when I did it I was never like oh I'm going to make money because number one like we talked you didn't exist doing what you do yeah I was just doing what I do and then I started to realize oh people are engaging

with me because of like the value because I'm like saying some stuff that they related to or they got some value out of like the workout content because I taught them how to do a bench press properly or whatever it was and those are the people coming back and be like yo I watch your video I appreciate you so much and they're sending me a DM being like I bought this thank you you know and it's like I'm like okay so I'm starting to see that like the value given is why the value is given back and it wasn't just because I was just trying to make money value again yeah and so that's the thing that I think people should understand now who are like trying to get trying to get into the game and trying to be in this whole system or you know industry don't make it about like

what someone else is done trying to be successful try to find like something that really matters to you and like give your version of that and be true to that because eventually there's going to be enough people who get behind you like oh I really like this I like what he's talking about like what he's saying and they want to support you but like if you're just trying to make money people see right through that shit you know I see that you know this guy Alex Hormosey he's a gym guy yeah I don't know him personally like also he gives very good tips about all this stuff and ultimately like his all he says also like if you want to have a huge audience you need to provide value yeah it's like people they'd like to get something ultimately also for free so we have to give

value to people and then it's depending on what is your life's purpose right in terms of work how you make your money that gives you a good feeling if I can provide value for these guys and I can make a financial success with this that's good for me that's good for my morals for everything that's what I believe in yeah yeah that's and that's why I think like people get people get toxic on the internet when like they're just focused on making just money and I think that's why like you know I've had like a few like girls on here talking about like only fans and stopping only fans because like there was no real fulfillment in it because they were just making money like the product was just them to make money. And when you don't have like I think something out outside of that that's like valuable to people beyond like you know in this case we're talking like sex valuable beyond that. I think that's when people get burnt out like sex aside like for the fitness stuff like if I was just coming in and it was always just about like how good I look the like you're going to as a human you're going to. Maybe you get some validation, but at some point, like, number one, you can't sustain it, right? Because you're never going to be like the best ever, forever.

Number two, it's like people get kind of like disengaged with it because it stops meaning as much. But the people always who sustain are always the people who like, you know, sometimes they're doing more likely doing longer format content. And they're sharing and they're giving. What I found with this is, this is like there's so many people out there. They are so famous and they don't look like nothing. like there's a singer he looks like whatever but he makes good songs

people are very engaged and connected to him and they love his music so much and they fucking when they see him they would like wait two hours to take a picture and all this who's this

just saying in general anybody like for example if you're a music artist or like an actor like bad money no like more casual okay like that's why I'm saying

I'm more casual because you are body related I'm body related only friends girl body related sex blah blah blah what you do and then like you're building this audience

up that only values you for looking like this, being this way, posting sex types, whatever it is, posting Reddit videos, but people can love you for who you are. Yeah. And that's why maybe for Only Friends is very unfulfilling because, again, it's very, what is it called when it's just on the surface?

Superficial. There's no, I don't even know about this person too much and stuff. And I believe after you do this for a while, the Only Friend stuff, especially it, it's, it fucks with your head. Yeah. these women also and then financial financial success comes but also these women didn't learn how to deal with money coming in like this maybe spending it's stupid and like a lot of

pressure on them all on top maybe then this thing breaks off and then what you know so these days many risky things where you can make a lot of money really quick and then disappear that is good for you if you can do that i'm happy for everyone who can make a bunch of money and then fuck off and don't and live on an island isolated or whatever you know what i mean but ultimately it's if you do something long term and try to sustain it it has to be fulfilling 100% it has to come from the heart it needs to be something real and that's why this stuff i love so much man like the podcast stuff is just so it's just there's no way around that like we're both sitting here we're not sitting here flexing taking our shirts off like it's all just about what's actually coming from our hearts

exactly and i think that's why it's just such a cool cool platform and so valuable to people man thank you by the way for having me here also because it gives me in this extent a platform to talk about all these things that we now just did. Because these are maybe things and opinions of mine that people didn't even know about. And that makes me maybe more likable or dislikable for some other, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think it's great, man.

I'm glad you came. Fucking incredible. We still got a train together. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you get a session. You need to do it in your gym, obviously. Yeah, yeah. I'm not that strong, though, bro.

I don't care. Yeah, I just see you doing this great. The craziest one was probably the hoverboard, squat, with how much key G on it? Uh, it was probably 3.15, the one you saw. No. How did this thing not break? The truth is, it did break.

It did break. But I just kept going. And it didn't break so much that it broke where it just completely fell. I did it. I did it like myself, no weight barbell, warmed up. One plate, did it. Two plates did it. And I was like, all right, three plates.

I'm going to do it. Put it on. And I went down anyway. And it cracked. You did the most risky shit in videos where I'm like, this is going to dislocate shoulder break your eyes. You know, it's funny about that literal, the thing you just said, the riskier shit. Before I did that video, Nadine, my videographer at the time was like, this is a really bad idea.

You shouldn't do it. And I was like, that's exactly why I'm doing it. And then it went viral as fuck. But now, I'm not saying everyone should live like that. Obviously, like, I could have got seriously hurt. I just didn't. Like, because I would always do everything. I only got hurt really, really bad once.

And it's when I destroyed my mouth. I had like a girl standing on and it felt like because I was using. I think I've seen that. Yeah, because I should have used a metal plate to press her, but I used a rubber plate and it, like, it kind of bent. So then it went, it got kicked out. But, you know, that was my only real mistake. I got like a real fucking gash here that's like,

I still feel it like numb today, which was time ago. But all my other stuff, I was very like methodical because I never wanted to get injured. So even with my lifting, I've never gone like 100%. I've always been like 80% because like I always wanted to just not fucking get hurt. So I would always load things in a way where it's like, okay, if I can do this, then I go a little bit more, a little bit more until I get to the point where I'm like, okay, that's it. That's how I always treated it. You know, there's also, there's always a saying of smart, work hard or work smart. Yeah. I always work smart in the first place and then

work hard smart. But a little, but you got to work a little stupid sometimes to do what I did. Where I just really did dumb shit that like I probably shouldn't have, but like, I would just be like okay like I could all right yeah that works and I was like as long as I can do a little then I was like if I can do this much then I can do that much but it was stupid I hear you yeah but you also a very strong dude you know like how tall are you 6 3 6 3 yeah and in what's your weight like I weigh to probably 254 right now no I back then I was like 260 to 75 I remember this yeah I was fucking giant dude juicy I swear to go that's how I always seen you like this giant dude in the gym yeah benching like 45

plates and stuff bro i was i was i was thick i was thick man the ultimate approach i believe what we want to say in the end with this also is stay true yourself absolutely you can't sustain a persona that you just build up and pretend you cannot pretend to be something or someone that you are just not yeah and sooner or later the people will find out and that's the thing i think because like with me dude i've been doing this for now so many years

you've been an o g in the game that's why i have sustainability because like from the very beginning to today i've been not the same person i've evolved but i've always told the truth i've always been that that that's who i am now it's so funny too that then now i think about this it's interesting because i've been in so many situations too where like i had been like lied against i have been told like oh you're this you're that like i can't tell you how many people have come up to me um who like come up in the industry but like so-and-so said this about you and then said this about you and and i'm just like damn dude people like people i've never met would run their mouse about me people people who have never had interaction with me would talk bad

about me i've dealt with that so many times and i think i think ultimately it comes with the territory of just like being number one like i guess in an industry at a point where like you're popular and then also i think being like genuine like being fucking raw about yourself and i think it opens you up for a lot of like criticism the people that attack you and and yeah and people trying to leverage what they can for their own benefit which is a very normal thing which sucks because you got to deal with it but at the same time like I would tell everyone I urge everyone listening like no matter what like the truth is if you be your like true genuine self in all cases like you will have success like if you're really doing a thing because you love it and because it means something you and you continue to show that over time like you will have success eventually like also you have to keep pushing and also what I feel with you is you've been here so I've been kind of like hiding in Thailand I didn't get in touch so much with all these people and reactions and some people are nice to you some not some love you some hate you and ultimately what this all around along your journey what did

is it built a strong character that you are today also that helped you ultimately because yeah you are this guy I know I'm doing a good job so you now come up and you don't like me I don't give a fuck you get me so it's just how can I explain this better that it's just like life doesn't get easier you just get stronger it gets you thick skin yeah that's what I mean but but it kind of it still hurts though you know I'm sensitive do you have feelings I'm fucking Insensitive, bro. If people don't understand that we also have feelings and if you might read a message online that says something very untrue and very rude, that's why people, I say this to people,

you think we are influencers, but what you guys texting us might influence us a tiny bit as well. Like you have a big audience. If these people keep talking to you in a certain way, that might influence you in something. Yeah, man. You guys stop being so fucking mean. Yeah, that's the thing. the toxicity of this fucking community and stuff is yeah you have to be really careful these days because like I say if a tree is red and it's not blue or green then you get cancer right

it's like whatever it is bro you could that well this that goes to the thing if we're going to end it like that is like you also just can't make everyone happy exactly you can also not give a fuck about everyone else if you have a vision and you have your morals and you have respect that's the most important thing also keep respect high to people treat people how you want to get treated and respect and then keep pushing because not everyone will be aligned with your vision and ultimately if we just also bring it back to the partner thing find someone that is aligned with your vision yeah at least and then push it together or yeah just be as one-man army men but ultimately i believe we all need help yeah we can take help and it's better to seek

help it's like always like if you never ask the question will always be no absolutely yeah that's key man i love i love that you ended like that it's like that's i don't know why i don't know why we have such a hard time asking for help because we feel weak it's get you taught that you can't be weak but ultimately you could be much better and stronger if you get a tiny bit of help some people are just lost in their situation and stuff and so i'm talking also to you right now that watches this if you feel lost and desperate in your situation there might be someone out there that can listen to you and even just sometimes talking with someone about some of your past already helps you to process this like you said it's oftentimes talking about things can help

and it's also never too late you are never too old and it's never too fucked you have always another chance and you need to keep pushing yeah that's a fact man as long as you're breathing yeah i love it 100% i appreciate you coming man thank you for having bro well as well nice full circle i love it yeah you're fucking awesome you got you got we're gonna train together some time you're here for like another month yep okay um yeah i'll set it up and and genuinely for real thank you for coming on and thank you for showing this is this one of the first podcast you're done yeah it's my biggest podcast i do with you for sure hell yeah thank you so much for bringing me i was wondering if you can spare me one of your jim wheat drinks oh yeah yeah

i'm so thirsty actually and i think is this your brand yeah this one here yeah there you go that won't get you high this one gets you no i won't get you high won't get you high won't get you high no but i smoke weed a lot now it's outrun it's it's all people it's funny because The minute I saw you The minute I met you I was like this guy smokes weed Yeah I knew it dude

People think I do like other drugs And a lot of cocaine and shit But I don't People think I do cocaine I don't fucking touch this shit At all like I'm afraid of that shit I'm I had I quit friendships and shit

Because people would keep taking some stuff And I'm like Mushrooms Yeah this is one thing Because it's like everything Like that is from That can naturally But chemistry

Chemistry, guys, be careful with chemistry that you put in your body. Yeah, it's too isolated. It can be too much. But thank you, bro. You're a real one. Shukram, brother. We're going to train.

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