RAWTALK - Kyle Forgeard On The Truth About Jesse’s Fallout, The Future of Nelk, FullsendXRawgear Surprise

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

We have the man that brought Full Send & Nelk to life, Kyle Forgeard! We sit & think about the crazy growth of his brand & how he continues to do the content that he enjoys. We further discussed the mainstream media, traveling, growth, business & their growth throughout their content.SPONSORS:HTTPS://www.mintmobile.com/RawtalkHTTPS://www.greenchef.com/Rawtalk60HTTPS://www.betterhelp.com/RawtalkHTTPS://www.mnscpd.com/rawSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalk TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartyn SUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1 SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

Oh, wow. This is a big moment. Is it? This is a huge moment, dude. It's not that big. No, but it's a, it's a nice, like, I don't know, it's a nice moment now because we've done a pod. Full circle, maybe. Big full circle, yeah.

A lot has happened since then. We did a pod almost, I think it's two years ago. With not just me, though. No, Steve was there. Steve, yeah. I think Celine popped in for a little bit. This is in the old set. A lot has changed since then.

Like a fucking tremendous amount of. Is that three years ago? Yeah, I think almost two, three years ago. Shit. Yeah, different. That's crazy. Obviously, I don't, I'm not going to get into like, you know, who you are. Because most of people who are on this channel probably are, you know, our audience

are are pretty, like, interclude and know who you are, they know what you've done. I guess one of the things I really want to ask you, because I never really got to ask you just directly is like, how does it actually feel to have been a part of creating something so massive and it's still going forward? And like, because you are that guy. Like, obviously, there's all these people. now who are part of it, Stiney, myself, Steve, all these other characters have come to be a part of it. Obviously, Jesse was a big part of it at a time. And now you have some more people who are

like management figures who are like helping you move businesses forward. But what does it feel like to be that guy? I'm sure you get that a lot too. It's tough to kind of put into words, right? Like it's just, it's so surreal. Yeah. I'm very happy though. I mean, I feel I'm grateful every day. I'm blessed. It's hard. It really is hard to put it into words. Like, it's very surreal you know I look back like even you say three years ago I look back and I'm just like I don't know it feels like a dream almost because three years to now it's been a huge change yeah but obviously all the years leading up to that was also a huge change so where along the way was like the where do you think was the absolute biggest change I don't know man I think there's so many different moments yeah and I ask this only because a lot of people come up to me and relate to my success and they try and have have me define like a time and it never I Like you said, I never feel like. I can maybe pinpoint it into, like, if I had to say something, I think one really memorable moment, up to when we kind of went more like mainstream, quote unquote.

Yeah. I think it's like kind of like our partnership and relationship with like Dana White and the UFC. Yeah. And I think it was that trip that we did to Abu Dhabi during COVID to watch the Khabib fight when we flew out there, met Dana White for the first time, did the Abu Dhabi stuff. We were the only people like in Abu Dhabi in the bubble. and then the week after that we went on Air Force One and met Donald Trump

and he brought us on stage at the rally and we posted that YouTube video. So I think that was like a really big, big moment, I think. But I don't want to credit that to everything. Of course not. But that was the thing that you think that took you from like a bunch of YouTubers making prank stuff to like a lot more people knew who you were?

I guess I can't even say that. I don't know. You know what? There is no specific moment, man. Like I've been doing this for, I made the channel in 2010 like we've talked about stuff but dude it's so much different shit like I don't want to credit just to that and I'm like we've had Elon Musk on the podcast recently or like you know we've hit viral videos I can't just

say it's one thing there is no one thing that you can accredit to to this you know yeah I think it's the thing people don't realize like what goes like on behind like I guess my question to you in regards to that is is it just like an everyday like you're just constantly trying to figure out what's next what are you going to do next like trip wise or content wise or what direction you're going to go in because obviously you have happy dad you have the full send brand you have all these things that are kind of being built around the content that you guys create but like to continue to push it forward is it just all consuming of your time yeah i mean you know too these businesses are nothing without content yeah so no matter how rich you get or how successful you get like unless

we just want to completely quit content is king right so at the end of the day we got to entertain people we got to make people laugh we got to make people watch yeah even sometimes though but do you ever feel like you don't want to um i kind of i was talking about it on the last pod with the polo g that's not yet but um this will probably come up before that right or no uh when is that coming out of two like a week whatever either way yeah um no i've hit i've hit definitely like moments where like i get you know kind of stressed or unmotivated and stuff like that yeah um dude i was telling you yeah even recently like the beginning of this year i like honestly like probably like two weeks ago or like three weeks ago yeah two weeks ago honestly yeah i just hit a point of like fuck man like i was just feeling

down i don't know i don't even really know why but um i got a personal level or in relationship to content um i was feeling not not just content like i was not feeling good i was feeling like like yeah a little bit depressed like kind of just anxious i think it was just a buildup of like stress and not taking a break ever because like I never really take a break yeah right so I was kind of feeling this way and I was just I was just like anxious for no reason like I couldn't even think of why I was just like yo why am I feeling like this like yeah I think you just get to a point you're nervous and it's not like I was like partying a lot or like doing fucking shit I was like still working out like being healthy and I was just like I didn't know why I was feeling like this and then I kind

I just decided to yeah I told you I went to Palm Springs and just chilled and I I got a question about the way you feel right like how would you describe the feelings is it just you're just like a you feel in your heart it's like a flutter yeah kind of in my heart and then just like just like just like anxious like just kind of like un-wurried yeah worried just like uneasy all the time that's what I was feeling like at the kind of like the beginning of January yeah and then we went and it wasn't when I went to Russia I was good it was honestly just um it was like at the end of Russia I was just like posting a lot of shit like watching numbers like yeah it's kind of like a high this social media

shit too right like even that house boola shit like that shit was going pretty viral like the numbers were crazy yeah so i think it was a lot of like i was posting a lot i was always on my phone and then there was some like stuff that kind of happened behind the scenes that like kind of triggered some shit i think yeah something stressful but yeah and i don't know i came back home and i just wasn't feeling good i was feeling like dude do i even want to do this like anymore like i kind of feel like dude i've been there yeah and i've just like felt that way before little bit but maybe not to this point i've felt it before like sometimes you get down and you're just like damn like fuck is this really for me anymore like i've been doing this for so long because i think it also

stems from i'm older now right so i can't do it's not the same shit that i was doing when i was 21 or 20 or 19 well it's also so so you're constantly trying to live up to that too and i think you're reading comments you know like people like and there's not a lot of negativity with us too but you still read them you see them right and I think that kind of fucks with your head a lot too you know people are always

now that we're at the top too people have no sympathy for you the big like the bigger you get as a quote unquote famous person or a celebrity the less sympathy people have for you like oh he's rich who gives a fuck like yeah right so they're more harsh on you any little mistake you get

they're fucking coming for your throat coming for your throat so I think it's a lot the stakes are higher now and it's a lot tougher so yeah even even on that front i mean just the amount though of like money and everything that's also behind this is so much more it's a lot of stake like we have an office i got fucking 20 employees probably that are depending on me too yeah right and then just the fans too the main thing is the fans i don't want to let the fans down right like that that's it's a lot of pressure i think and as i get older it's tough to do the shit that we used to do yeah so you know reading comments and just like

I think it just got to a point where it just kind of fucked with my head. And I really took a step back and just realized, like, you know, I haven't taken a break in probably like two years. And what I mean by a break is like, dude, I just want to get off social media for a bit. Like, just for like a few days. Yeah. Like because I, for us, I don't think a vacation is like you shouldn't even really be looking at business texts. Oh, bro. Like I could take a day off.

But if I look at my phone, I'm going to get 20 texts throughout the day from 20 different people. People something I could read like you know trigger stress and stuff like that too so I just I just decided to get away for a few days and I literally kind of made sure shit was taken care of like we got back from Russia the editors were editing the video and I didn't have to look at it for five days the podcast was done I told Steinie fucking step up yeah the pod for me so I just fucking just kind of got away and turned my phone off for like yeah you need it five days I don't think I just complete I just put it in the safe in the hotel room Yeah. It's such a crazy thing because I, I, after over all these years of me doing all this stuff as well, I, I've never taken a break. It's always been like if I go on vacation. Yeah, I know. And that's what I'm learning. That's what I realized like, yeah. When I, when I, I've done this in the past. I've turned off my phone completely and just put it away. And like, dude, it feels really good. And I think half the thing, it's just like social media is really. I don't want to be that guy too. I'm not trying to be some woke fucking loser like, fuck social media.

Because those people are like, bro, grow the fuck up. But it really is bad for you in high doses for sure. If you never take a break, it's really, really bad for you. Just like the way I think of it too is like, yeah, so there's the business side, like reading all the shit. But then even just consuming social media shit. Yeah. Like, I feel like our brains don't have enough room for all the information that we're like digesting. Like when you're watching people's like Instagram stories and stuff like that, you're just like storing all that info and your.

brain and you don't even realize it like if you're watching someone's story on like new year's eve or some shit right like then if someone asks you like a week later like yo what did this person do on new years like you could probably tell them like if you saw their story and you're like holy shit like I didn't even really notice that and I stored that info bro it's so accurate and it's so interesting because like I don't think people realize in doing that how much other things like the other things that are actually important for you you're like not allowing space in your brain that's true yeah because you're just constantly like almost just stacking all this new stuff And then there's maybe these other things that maybe you haven't dealt with or things that you should be actually thinking of that it's just like go to the waist side.

I remember a few weeks ago, I was sitting on TikTok and scrolling and I literally, I remember scrolling and thinking like, holy fuck, I can't, I almost couldn't stop myself where I had to like, I was like, yo, what the fuck? I had to like turn my phone off and be like, what the fuck's wrong with me? I know. Like it's a very like TikTok specifically is like a crazy app for this. Yeah. And I think there's just like where's the room in your brain for that shit? Like people didn't have that in the past, right? Like where's your brain?

storing all this info that you're like consuming yeah it's fucked it's it's a it's a crazy thing but let let let let let's get back to this uh the idea of work and like um because we talked a little bit about this but on that note too like when I did put my phone away like you realize how much you check it it's like like every time I would get out of the car like I didn't have my phone on so I still have my car and so you like you like this bro every time you get out of the car like you're like you're reaching like you check your phone on the way like into somewhere like probably if you're walking into the gym every time like you're probably like looking at your phone quick and stuff like that so i noticed like every time and i was like wait like i don't have it or like let's say

you're meeting someone in like a hotel lobby yeah like yo be down in five you get there two minutes earlier what are you doing like you're going on your phone yeah like i would sit in the lobby and be like oh shit like i actually have to just like chill here so it's it's interesting how much you like don't even realize yeah and i just felt i feel like it just cured me so it's really not like i had some because i was getting worried i was like damn do i have some fucking type of anxiety now and shit but i was really just like damn i just needed a break a break i just needed a break bro like and now i know like like i would wake up in the morning too and just instantly look at my phone yes like at fucking like 7 am alarm goes off what do you do grab your phone i had to stop i message

business texts are already there yeah go on social media so now i'm just like for this whole month i've just been not even have it on do not disturb and i just don't even look at text or anything until like 9 a.m after the gym and it feels it feels so good and then at not night like come like seven 38 like phones away i'm not fucking looking at it yeah and it dude i feel like i feel like i'm not how long have you been doing that i've been doing that like all this year even even like last year i started putting my phone away at like seven because people are just blowing me up about random shit so many people you know what i mean i'm too accessible so i think that's something that's helped me like a lot yeah absolutely um and in regards to i guess work in general

overall like we were kind of talking about you know delegating like stuff to stine as far as like producing this podcast stuff are you going to be doing more of that kind of stuff and because like it's doing what delegating yeah like like uh yeah taking a step back uh i don't know if it's taking a step back because yeah well i'm i'm really good at delegating shit i mean that's kind of where we are where we are like you if you want to be a boss you got to learn how to delegate shit for sure like the people that make it are the people that like know how to do something and then technically if it's something that someone else can do. Teach them how to do it.

You should just teach them how to do it and you shouldn't be doing it. And then you move on to the next step. Like, yo, what's now I'm going to make the next move for the business, right? Like now I'm going to start working on this. So it's not really taking a step back, but definitely I realized when I took some time off too, like there's a lot of capable people.

And I think when I'm around, people just kind of lean on me more. Not just Stiney, but a lot of people. So I think that's something I already did. Right when I got back, I was just like, yo, you're doing this,

you're doing this, you're doing this like I've been I post I like every time we drop a YouTube video or a podcast I'm the one that like physically post the stories like post on Instagram then go to Snapchat post on Snapchat like copy the YouTube link post a swipe up link like I was the one doing that to honestly like I know I remember watching you do it maybe like I don't know officially like two days ago I know I watched you from the beginning yeah like when a YouTube video comes out I got to spend an hour on my phone yeah extra I've watched you do it right so it's like dude now i'm just like maybe the sometimes the story sequence isn't going to be

the exact perfect way that i want it but i teach them what i know you know like keep the first story slide like super visual and entertaining yeah don't make people skip it just try to teach them brad's the master of instagram stories yeah i always watch your stories and i'm like yeah yeah you toss a little poll right at the beginning yeah yeah no i've learned i've learned the key right fucking poles are huge we'll drop that yeah because it's the easiest way to get people people to engage with the post. Yes. And if they engage with the post, yeah.

And then if they engage with the post, I think it's going to move up on the top of the rankings on people's stories. Exactly. That's exactly what happens. The poll. No, you nailed it, man. I mean, so I guess to that regard, do you ever feel like afraid to? Or, I mean, at one point, you must have been afraid to step away because you weren't doing it.

Yeah. Because it felt like it's just on you. It just gets bigger and bigger. Like, I mean, I used to edit all the milk videos too, pretty much, right? Then eventually, you know, you let someone else edit it. I've luck luckily we were enough to meet fucking osgo yeah so I don't even want I can't edit even close to what that guy could do so you let him take over that you know and then yeah you just got a it's tough though it's tough to find people so it's not like you can just find

someone and just say take over this like the struggle really is finding capable people yeah that you know how it is right it's tough to hire people and then teach them and then hope they stay yeah because a lot of people you teach and they fucking are like cool I'm gonna go do this Yeah, or they get greedy or fucking, yeah, it is tough, but delegating is definitely the key. What would you say are the hardest things, like the hardest learning points you've had throughout this entire journey of yours, business-wise? I mean, yeah, we've talked about this, I guess, is like, yeah, I mean, managing talent is definitely tough.

Yeah. But there's a lot of crazy people out there, man. I've been there. How, fuck, I don't know how much we could talk about it, but the Bob stuff? We can if you want. So the only reason why I want to ask about this. is because now that I do the podcast with you and Steinie and then whoever else is rotating on there, the Bob stuff. I'm not here to shame or talk bad, but like in your words, ultimately, why would you say it just didn't work out?

The simplest way. Sure. I think he just, I guess he thought he was getting screwed. Which he wasn't, man, because that contract is. I think he thought he was getting screwed, I guess. Genuinely. Yeah. Yeah.

I think he thought he was getting screwed. and yeah I think I think with Bob's like you know he I don't think he's a bad person I just think I'm not really sure I'm not really sure like you know I'm not saying that I would personally sit down with him and like make up with him if he was willing to do that you know I don't know kind of is what it is I kind of said everything that it was without me wanting to get more you know personal or anything like that but I said what I could say and I think everyone that I talked to like even your mom the other day was like yo like you said it so well and it's so true yeah it was so crazy i was like i didn't my mom watch that shit yeah again it's just like i think one thing that he was kind of overlooking was like dude you're joining something very big with a lot of infrastructure with a lot of like you know you're not just joining some random shit like you're joining one of the biggest teams yeah so i think that was kind of overlooked a little bit but it's sad man yeah yeah it's tough it's it made me very sad yeah that's wow well at least now you got steiny and me it's dope all right boys quick interruption for one of our sponsors manscape yes okay

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I think, I mean, I think you're part of the Nelk boys. Yeah. I'm like the Nelk, man, because I'm 33. Yeah, I know. You're like the Nelk uncle. no we should i mean we got to do we should do a lot of content this year man yeah i want to i want to because okay in regards to this exactly the same thing i really want to ask about this and talk about this the last video you guys posted um going to rush do you want it you want to be a part of knock boys

well i want i want to be i love that content right right like that content to me because it's it felt a little bit different there's like a little bit more like i don't know like exploring and like almost this this has all the new one yeah yeah whereas like you guys kind of it wasn't like so much prank shit it was just like you guys were just traveling and like fucking having fun I'm glad people liked it I'm really glad we got a great response on it yeah and dude we were so happy the whole trip like we were like we genuinely enjoyed that trip which is yeah same thing we're talking about before it's like we're getting older now too and and not that we're not going to do pranks yeah because because I still find some pranks funny but I really I'm really really really happy

that people enjoyed that video because I enjoyed it and I enjoyed filming it yeah I enjoyed watching the edit. I enjoyed every single part of the process of that video. So I think it's cool that people liked it. And now I think we're going to follow that lead. And like I think we just got to really sit down with our, I'm going to take lead on it. But it's got to be only shit that we actually like. Yeah. You know, like let's not try to appeal to anyone. This is what we did back in the day. And it was let's stop caring what other people think. Let's stop, you know, let's just fucking do what we want to do now. We're older now. Yeah. And let's just, let's just do it.

And it's not going to be that different, but it's going to be, I don't know, it's going to be whatever the fuck we want to do. And guess what? If you don't want to fucking watch, then don't fucking watch. Yeah. Straight up. I mean, that's how you got to do it. I think that's how you find ultimate success on the internet because like if you keep

trying to appease people, eventually you find yourself in positions where you're like. And it fucks with you. Yeah. Because then you live on those like highs because you want everyone to be like, yo, that shit was dope and you can't always have that. Even if you did everything you thought they wanted, you wouldn't get that right every time. Yeah. I think we'll mix it up.

I think we'll do some pranks too. I love doing the Instagram shit too. I love that shit. I love the quick hits. Yeah. And like the Blenciaga one or the pumpkin one I did. Yeah, the Blenciaga shit was funny. Yeah, that was funny.

So shit like that. And then we'll definitely do some pranks in the Nelk videos and stuff too. But quicker and just only shit I find funny. But dude, you can't be traveling and exploring new countries. That's personally like a passion of mine. Yeah. Like I fucking love traveling and I love like getting. that culture shock and just seeing new places.

And I also love to prove to people that I think you can go to any country on this planet, if done properly. You can go anywhere. You just went to fucking Russia. Yeah. And everyone said, don't go and blah, blah, blah. Like, people are still calling us stupid for going. But it's like, dude, I'm back here.

We made an amazing video. You can go anywhere if you do it right. And you link with the right people. For sure. I want to go to North Korea one day. That's insane. We will go. That'd be fucking, you know, honestly.

like that? I think that might be our last video ever. Because we don't come back or what? No, just, I don't know. Yeah, because it's like, where do you go from there? I think we're going to go to North Korea one day. I really do. If we, if we go to North Korea, you got to think about that because it's like, no one's ever. We'd get invited though. Like, it'd be like, Dennis Rodman went. He said it's lit. I believe you. I believe you, but like, do you think, do you think? They have ski resorts. They, like, and everything's like private. But we'd have to get invited. Like, we're not just going to, you can't even fly to North Korea. So the way I'm thinking about it is I think we'll meet the right person one day that's going to be some government type of guy or maybe if Trump gets back into office.

Yeah. And from North Korea's perspective, they would want us to come and expose what a great country, quote unquote, North Korea is to our American audience. And that's how it would be. And dude, we're not going to do anything fucking dumb there and shit. Like we're going to be invited. It's going to be all taken care of. Yeah. And we're going to go and we're going to fucking hit some slopes with Kim Jong-un.

Bro, that would be the craziest fucking shit. Would you go? Of course I would go. I could never like an opportunity in life. I couldn't pass that up, man. Imagine Kim Jong-un on the podcast. Bro. I think we could pull it off.

I think we can pull off anything. Well, yeah. I mean, after like the Elon Musk thing, the Trump thing, after all those things, I mean, I don't think anyone really doubts it. Yeah. So before you kind of like started having that, like what in your mind, like did you just always believe that you were going to be able to get to those points or was it just like it happened over time i know everything happens over time but like when you started getting like

i guess it was dana was the first thing you said and then dana kind of connected which was way later in our career way later yeah way later but once you started getting these like heavy because like for the podcast like Elon Musk is like the only the person was Joe Rogan yeah that's all john that's all credit to john he totally got Elon they had a relationship yeah that was all him he just emailed him and he's been he was emailing him for uh months yeah and Elon was saying maybe maybe maybe soon yeah just maybe soon period and then he just like kept doing it kept doing it and then one day he's just like yeah could be good he's like as long as we don't we can't talk about Twitter because I'm in a lawsuit we're like okay we won't talk about Twitter like we're yeah that was his only thing

yeah just one day he's just like all right sure fuck and then we just did it so you know when he started because there was a clip where I saw in Rogan because they were watching your podcast on Rogan and I saw that yeah and they were talking john Johnny probably showed you which is that that's fucking cool cool as fuck and they were talking about like the climate change stuff did he did he ever go into detail about like that whole climate change thing no but people are saying that's the next thing right yeah like the next like drama i don't no one really talks about global warming no more you're such a big thing remember like the aerosol cans and the fucking atmospheres eroding and shit i just feel like it's i feel like i feel like there's

something else coming soon that they're going to like fuck it's just always it's it really is a thing climate change is one too you can't really like if if people believe in it if they believe in man-made global warming like they're not ready to accept any other opinion yeah like they're not like i've heard someone say it too i think yeah jordan peterson on jo rogan said it's like a religion like like this is it yeah like this is it like don't even i don't even want to hear another opinion about it yeah so that'd be a good thing we are fucking up this earth were the reason it's like getting warmer the crazy thing about the earth though as far as i understand i'm not an expert at any of this but like we would die before the earth would ever die like we would wipe we'd

wipe ourselves out and the earth would continue to flourish but i mean from my understanding the earth goes through like natural warming and cooling periods throughout the entire history of time like yeah the entire earth was fucking frozen at one well no it's no it's no humans on it i think it's four it's either four or five times the whole earth had collapsed basically and then came back to life again yeah like four or five times that's when there's no human involvement at all zero yeah so i mean we might have a little effect on it but like to say that everything's happening is is manmade as opposed to potentially just natural like the cycle of life and earth yeah i mean you got to at least look at the other side that's the thing but that's the thing with all of this is like uh it seems like on the

internet there's just more and more of a divide between like left and right and it's just becoming a crazy thing i think i think with that one specifically it's more like because you're like you're like shattering someone's world like what do you mean we're not fucking up this earth like you've been taught to believe that your whole life yeah so people don't like it kind of scares them to Because when you accept that other side of the opinion, you're admitting that you've been fooled your entire life, right? Like, you're kind of admitting it. Like, if you get proven wrong on global warming,

you're like, well, everything that I've learned was been alive for these last since like school and shit. It's a mind fuck. It's a mind fuck. And I get that. In regards to that in this whole like, you know, without getting too political, right? We and you obviously lean a little bit more towards, I guess I would say the conservative side of things.

do you ever feel like do you get too much shit for that or do you get love for that because it's because this is my thing with all this like left and right shit because it's very prominent on the internet I mean you could just tell about like the fact you do you know a pot with Trump and this kind of stuff that you know the rallies right you can't deny that kind of like I wouldn't even call it affiliation but just like yeah affiliation yeah but care care yeah and people you know who on the other side and there's other content creators that are more left whatever it's and it's all good um I guess my my my point in the saying all this is like the frustration I have in it is like I've recently have been going on I went on Hassan's

podcast and his Twitch stream and I've gone on Ethan's pod and I got a lot of good feedback from going on there and having these conversations and I guess it's just frustrating because when I see those sort of like you know if you did something with Trump and their audience is on they're like fuck you you suck because I believe this I feel this do you ever feel like it's really hard for people to find middle ground and why do you think it is hard for people to have some middle ground because like it seems like i don't know if it just feels like i've had a lot of conversations with people who lean more towards the the right and they're willing to listen to the left but very very far left is like very unwilling to listen to the right like there's no middle

ground sometimes i can't really provide a specific answer as to why honestly i think i think people are just angry and they're just stuck in their ways right and if you don't agree with them they yeah they can't have a civilized conversation about it they don't even want to hear it you know it's like this is my way and you know yeah that's everyone talks about it that's one of the biggest problems with society now is that we can't even talk about shit yeah it's you can't even talk about it's fucking crazy right yeah it's a weird it's a weird thing man because because like i i really enjoy like the content i've been doing lately with some of these creators because i like to hear people's perspectives and i like to understand why someone feels or strongly away about the things that they

feel about you know the minute i do that then people turn on like my own audience will turn on me and be like what the fuck you're a fucking you're a loser like you shouldn't even have them on the podcast or whatever and i'm like dude like what happened to having that conversation true you know like i did uh i think of the pod we did um with h3 not with h3 i had them here they were there they were shitting on me but even the pod i did with us and we did aiden and i brought up the whole tape thing and like i was like i presented that other side because i got presented the other side yeah everyone was like you fucking hater and it's just like it's not even that like i'm just literally like i'm learning something new because i didn't know about the

things and it's like yeah that's a problem with i will say that's got to be a problem with left and right for sure i think the left was really bad with it too but i mean things always go back and forth now too like let's see what happens with the the whole trump stuff this year and stuff like that too i just kind of do i just try to do what what's in my heart and what's in my brain yeah like you know trump i liked i thought he was the best choice i mean as opposed to clinton it was it was biden yeah yeah i mean as opposed to biden biden's like straight up i don't give a shit he's the biggest fucking loser everyone knows it now like left and right knows it's pretty fun he's just literally like i don't even understand it the videos that i see i know the videos that i see on

fucking instagram and ticot of biden sometimes i think you're fake i me too yeah like dana actually dana sends me a lot bro i think he sends me the biden videos all the time and they're fucking insane i literally reply to him like bro that's got to be fake yeah it's got to be fake because it's like what the fuck is going on like this guy can't even speak yeah How can you possibly say that this guy should be president? Anybody but him. Yeah, no, I get it. Like, the guy's a complete loser.

So how could you not support? I know. It's fucking crazy, man. It's, dude, so okay, in regards to all this stuff, how come you felt like, you know, when you started making content, you, I noticed this because not a lot of people have this. You didn't give a fuck. Like, you were just willing to kind of put yourself, not be like, yo, I'm this, but you put yourself in a position where it was very obvious kind of like what you were

deciding to like kind of affiliate yourself with where I know a lot of creators over all my years of doing this even though they may feel like hey I like Trump or I like this like for example I know I know a mainstream artist like a mainstream celebrity artist there's all there's so many a list that goes I he he was telling me how he had to post congratulations to Biden even though he never wanted Biden to win he didn't care he was voting for Trump but because of his affiliation to like the music industry and who he was he said i have to post this otherwise i know that i'll get so much negative feedback wow if i don't even say congrats type shit so so like what made you feel like you're in in the social media space which you know sometimes well not even

sometimes is kind of largely weighed left and right and people attacking each other what made you feel comfortable enough to be like this is what i believe and fuck it i just we've just never cared yeah we've just never cared and we've always been like quote unquote like i don't know fucking men of the people like just trying to be you know trying to I don't know just trying to be ourselves and do what we want you know

so I love Trump I love them especially you know I don't know what's going to happen this year yeah of course I don't know if he maybe already had his time but um I mean I liked a lot of the things he was saying the guy's definitely not an angel no absolutely not and I think

some of the shit he said in the past about like women and shit I can sympathize with a woman and I can I'm not shocked as to why some woman don't like Trump for sure like I mean I get it you know what I mean but I still think that um a lot of the stuff that he was doing was good you know like Trump on like foreign policy and like the way he was able to like negotiate with people and yeah did you see what he said about um

I don't know if you saw in an interview he said like he's just like a guy that gets shit done that's why I liked them too like he said uh I think he to threaten the Taliban leader like he wanted something, the Taliban to do something. And like the Taliban leader guy was like, why did you just send me a picture of my house? And like Trump's like, that's for you to figure out. So like Trump wanted the Taliban to do something. So he like sent the Taliban leader a photo of the guy's house. And he's like, bro, I know where you are right now. But like I feel like people want a leader to be soft. But like the country's got to be run like how someone runs a fucking business man. Like it's got to be a bit cutthroat in a way. And that's why I think a lot of people

like them you know what's interesting this whole concept is i always find so interesting um these people that you know are obviously like elected officials politicians whatever and just in general for some reason nowadays it seems as though like everyone expects everyone to be perfect but themselves yeah it's like we all know we're not perfect we all know we make mistakes we all know we're not like exactly like we're human and like especially when it comes to these like officials or people that people view as like in uh in you know in in in in in in in paces places of power or like places of fame or popularity it's like everyone looks outward and they're like you should be doing everything exactly right kind of how i think you should but it's also just

like none of that's realistic right i think people forget to forget to see that like i don't know what's the actual function of what this person is doing and does it actually benefit people so the the whole thing with biden to me was like people just didn't want trump yeah felt like that's how that's how unpopular he was yeah that's how much people hated trump like then he pretty much lost to himself yeah and then you but then you have like i don't know man this the mainstream media just yeah i mean the media is totally against them but it's just crazy it's also crazy how that's such a real thing he was completely handicapped yeah it's such a real thing just that the media and the way it just portrays aside is so real it's not even like a debatable thing i know i always wonder

why because at the end of the day it's all about money no the way i think about it too is like i think people just think that like the media like has these opinions and they're just crazy right but at the end of the day bro like it's got to be about money right like it's got to be everything's about money so for the media to be pushing these agendas it's got to come from somewhere you know the media's here it's got to be being fed from somewhere and it's like they got to be you know whatever whoever owns the media is is pushing these agendas for some reason right yeah i don't know if it's i mean i think it's to divide people i genuinely think that's the answer and it's it's fuck because like the it to me it's like I'm looking at this I'm like man are they like left

and right you know leaders are they I feel like they're all in the room being like ha ha like it's like it's not even as divided as we think it is just portrayed out where it's so everyone could like pick aside and fight each other and be emotional about this decision or that decision and attack each other and it's just like there's no actual benefit there do that with everyone they they do that with like everything man uh I mean COVID crazy because it just shows you how powerful the media is that's the that's the lesson we learned from COVID It was like, we all have a fucking screen now. Yeah.

And whoever's sitting in a room or a fucking, you know, wherever they're sitting in this world, they say, all right, send the message out to everyone's screens. And guess what? We fucking obeyed. Yeah. They could put anything on our phones and on our TVs and we're going to believe it. Anything. Yeah.

Right? Why do you think people, we'll talk about this then. Why do you think people lost or just don't think? Like, they're not into critically thinking. and they're just into listening to an opinion on someone. Again, I think it's the same thing as like the global warming thing where like people, it's a mind fuck. You have to admit that what you thought this was is not, is not what you thought it was.

And I think that scares people. The thought of that, like scares people. Like some people like actually trust the government. Like, like, I guess every COVID, everyone that like believed COVID, like trust the government. Which is funny Isn't that like weird Why do you think that the government Or like the elite gives a fuck about you

Like why but like people actually think that So to change those people's minds They have to admit like the government doesn't You know like what I thought life was Was really not the way this world works And I think that scares people And they don't want to admit that You know what's the funniest part

In relation to the vid thing is like The fact that everyone could agree with this one simple thing And was like this is the dumbest shit I ever heard was the rationalization. Remember when you go into a restaurant and they'd be like, you gotta wear your mask to walk through, but when you sit down,

you can take it off. Doesn't matter what side. There's no logic. Everyone was like, yeah, that doesn't make sense though. The same people who are like, you need to have a mask on

who are mad at other people for not having a mask on. You even have that conversation with them. They're like, yeah, that's a little stupid though, but like they still want to protect this. It's like, how can you believe those two things are the same?

Yeah, and everyone in L.A. and Hollywood at first was fucking posting Instagram stories, shaming other creators. Like, I know, because we traveled during COVID, right? Yeah.

And I would see like from celebrities to other influencers, like not bashing us specifically, but just bashing anyone that was not following the rules and stuff like that. And you know, and then everyone just does a fucking 180 after that. Yeah. Like a year later, two years later, everyone's like shitting on COVID. And I'm like, where the fuck were you guys two years ago? Yeah. You know?

So that's the thing. Is it like, is it just this virtue signaling like safe? I can do this because it's safe and people will think. I'm good because I'm listening to this, like, this narrative. I guess so. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I guess it's what they're, like our audience is all probably mostly Trump people. Not all.

Right, right. But like, I guess their audience is the opposite, right? So they got to post the end of the day, they're a business too, right? So they got to post what their audience wants to see. We just don't have that audience, which is, I guess, because of what we've done our entire career. Yeah. We've tried to do what, you know, people like what I like now. they find what I find funny funny yeah so whatever I like kind of people like yeah it's crazy

built this group of people that follow us yeah that pretty much like what I like yeah you become the same humor same yeah it's fucking wild man so so it's crazy now because you know you go from like different forms of content over time into like now the podcast stuff right which is so like left not not not politically in this speaking at all but so left of what you've done how has that changed like the landscape for you as far as like creating content or like networking and all that stuff as it has a podcasting like made that podcast was a big move for us recently yeah launching that was huge for sure i think i mean that was yeah you always got to look at what's the next step how are you going to evolve and uh i think nelk we will honestly do i think nilk if we're all still around

i think we can do it till we're fucking 45 if we want to yeah we could we could still do some sort of i I believe that, you know. I love traveling. We could still go on a trip at 40 years old or 45 years old or fucking 60 years old. Yeah. Well, how long, like, the boys are all seniors and we fucking senior trip. Pack up, leave the wives. Right?

Yo. Dude. Head to Tijuana. I wish I had a kid fucking five years ago. Like, can you imagine that when everyone has kids and shit too? And like, that's going to make the videos even better. Bro. So funny.

Like all bringing our kids out to fucking whatever. Steinies is, Steinie's kids, a little. loser like for sure yeah sorry sorry I'm joking oh we love you bro all right guys quick interrupts for one of our sponsors better help you guys have probably heard before you've been watching the pod for a little bit but I want to talk about this again um therapy do not underestimate the power of it a lot of us may feel like you know we're not ready to talk about what we want to talk about specifically with people maybe who are closer to us in our lives because maybe it's a little bit more of a sensitive topic but with better help you guys you don't

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many cool people yeah like what a blessing to be able to meet all these people that we've done even since you've been involved right like Mark Cuban yeah Mark Cuban like you get to sit down with Mark Cuban and fucking listen to all his knowledge and shit like right in front of them it's sick it's a great it's a great thing it is very very big blessing it's cool and the thing that i i really like about it is like and i think people listening would agree like they evolve with it like the audience grows with it because your audience like dude for the amount of time you've been doing this and myself included it's like a lot of guys who started watching me we talked about this briefly before when they were younger they're like like in their 30s or in their mid 20s

and it's like that's such a large amount of time to have someone involved with you and then it's evolve into like content that I think, in my opinion, is obviously a lot more meaningful than pranks. Not that pranks are necessary or enjoyable or fun, but like the content from the podcast side of things is like completely 180. Yeah. And it's really connecting people on like a deeper level with I think the brand and you and the people involved. I guess on that note is in regards to NELK in regards to the podcast and everything that you've done, what would you say as far as I don't know like some sort of advice to a creator

who is coming up because I know a lot of people watch you or watch us watch things that we do and they're like they want to emulate or be like what would you say to a creator who is coming up and he's like just getting started today in order to be successful obviously like takes time

but like in terms of content you think or just like it's tough I guess everything everything I think I mean you kind of said it earlier I mean I think specifically with content even if you're doing a podcast or whatever you're doing you got to be shareable.

You got to have a reason. If someone's watching your shit, you got to think, like, how is someone that I don't even know? Don't think of your friends. I mean, maybe your friends too,

but it can't be inside jokes. How is someone that I don't even know going to, like, share this to one of their friends? And there's got to be that reason, you know? Like, there's got to be something unique.

Maybe it's funny. Maybe you're learning something. Maybe you're fucking hot as shit if you're a girl. Like, I don't know, you have a fat rack. and everyone's sharing your act.

But like, it's got to be something, you know? Yeah. So I would say you just got to be different. You got to stand out. And yeah, you got to be shareable when you're small too. Yeah. And now it's interesting because, yeah, you have TikTok now too. So I think a year or two ago, that was kind of tough to go viral.

But now guess what? Anyone could fucking go viral on TikTok. On TikTok too. So and shorts and even Instagram. So I think that's content wise, you got to be, like you got to stand out, man. There's so many people doing it that it's just like, dude, how you think you're going to make it doing this type of shit too. Yeah.

And I mean, people say do what you love too. But I think at the beginning, like do what you love, but also, dude, do what works? Yeah. At the beginning, you've got to do what works. Yeah. I think it's hard for people to understand what works. Because a lot of people ask me that all the time, like, they're looking for like, people come to me all the time at the gym and they'll be like, yo, what do I do to do this?

And they're like, they're almost looking for like some answer that. I think we just have this, we just got the secret recipe. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, right? I don't know. Maybe it's like, how do you become a basketball player? Like, you're born with it.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, some people have it. Some people have it and some people don't. Yeah. That's one thing I've learned throughout this shit too. It's like, you got to be fucking ready to do this shit. You want to do this shit. You got to be ready.

You got to be mentally ready. Yeah. You can't fucking quit when shit gets tired. Like, when you get tired and you want to quit, everyone wants to quit. But like, I've seen people quit. Like, I've seen a lot of people quit. Yeah. Yeah. Like it gets tough and they just fucking slow down and they quit. Yeah.

Because you can't be weak, bro. You can't be mentally weak. You got to fucking even me. If you're feeling down, go fuck off for a bit. Like take your chill time and then get back to work. Like if you want to really do it, you know? Yeah, without a doubt. Like. So, so on that note, as a, as a, not just as a creator in the content you make, but as a human, what do you think the most important thing is to be able to sustain yourself in this industry? That's definitely one of the aspects that you just said right there. I don't know but beyond beyond that aspect of like you can't quit that really is I think that's the biggest key because like at the end of the day if you I don't know like if someone doesn't make it that means they quit like you should just never I don't know it's kind it's stupid and simple but it's like bro if you just don't quit you're gonna make it yeah I always talk about but then people will make excuses so they'll quit and they won't admit that they quit because they'll be like well this happened or like you know many

people blamed code for fucking like they're like well like I had code It's like, dude, that's like your loser straight up. Like, you can't, you can't make excuses. Yeah. And I think people make excuses to make themselves feel better, right? That's a fact. Yeah, like they'll make excuses to make themselves feel better. But at the end of the day, it's like, you quit.

Straight up. So you've got to like, just don't fucking quit. Like, yeah, I know. And I tell people too all the time because when they ask me that, I talk about consistency over time. And because that's all it is is like consistently trying to learn to grow to like take feedback and try to like change it, see what works, it doesn't work. And I think like you said, people get to a point where they're like, they fucking, they flop.

It's not what they want. And they don't have the tenacity to keep moving forward. Then they'll look around and be like, well, this isn't work because of these reasons. Right. Then that's the key. So then beyond this part is like, then now what's really important is like how bad and how important is this for you to actually succeed at. Because that's the thing. I think a lot of people want something like this because they see it and they go, oh, that's easy.

They're sitting on couch just talking. But it's not like we just got here just by sitting on couch just talking, which I think nowadays you probably could make a really good. If you were great at it, but I think people fail to see how much goes into everything as a whole and they just see like a success and they go, oh, I tried it. It didn't work to the same degree. Fuck this. I'm going to keep doing that. That's the, that's the biggest thing I see too. And like, I can tell now smaller creators that like, because I'll watch everything, right? Like everyone, I'm watching studying. Like, you know, and you can really tell like, not only by their content, but I can tell like someone's work ethic, you know, by like I can just see it. Yeah. I can see it. And I think I can tell instantly with smaller creators, like, who's going to make it? Even if they're not popping off right this second, I think that there's people that I see that I'm like, yo, I know they're going to make it because they're so hard working. Yeah.

I don't know if you know those guys, the boys of 98. They came to your gym opening too, I saw. Really? But, yeah, they grew up on my street in Canada. It's so weird. Are they pop? You think they're going to pop? They got, like, 130K, but they're like, they're really hard workers.

And there's someone that, like, I see, like, they're slowly growing. but they're like really hard workers and I could tell like I know them personally but also I see what they're doing like they're working really hard and they're not stopping and they're grinding and they're traveling and it's like that's someone just one person that I thought of like you could tell that they're they're just never going to quit and that's what it takes right yeah that's ultimately what it takes why do you think it's hard for people to accept that like you know when you fuck up you just have to keep going why do you think people go like ah they take the easy way and they say fuck it because have you ever have you ever a

along your whole career. I think they just, I don't know, they're just weak. That's true. They're weak-minded. Is it weak-minded, girl? Is it weak or is it just like? I'm trying to think of a nice way to say it. They don't know better.

I feel like people just don't know better. I feel like people are taught, like, almost sometimes taught to quit, even though we're always told, but don't quit. Like, because you know a lot of people, because this is the thing. I think when the going gets tough, some people shut down and some people don't. Because I've been through times too where it's like, yeah, I've been broke or even sometimes you get unhappy. be but like you can't you know you can't just stop because like for me I'm just never going to

stop no matter what yeah do you think do you think the circle around you has enforced that in you yeah because well it's all who you're around too for sure yeah because I think a lot of people who quit I think they tend to probably have people in their circle who are like yeah like it's hard or they they will talk them down even before they get to going and then almost like coddle them when they're and then like almost like people seemingly convince other people to not succeed at their goals because they're not succeeding at their goals that could be one thing that could be one thing so it's like how do we maybe like back home when you're like yeah you're just around like a bunch of people that are working yeah like nine to fives or whatever and you're trying to achieve your dream

that could be a factor but i mean yeah so how would you teach someone to like i don't know if you can to not look outwards and just like yo if this is important go because that's the truth that's that that that is how you succeed yeah and that's how you not quit but that's everything in life is like it's the most simple cliche shit that like that's what it is like people ask me all the time like how do you do it and it's just like dude just don't like don't quit like I don't know what to say like there's no secret recipe yeah like don't shut down like as long as you don't stop you're eventually going to do it right if something's not working try something new yeah if that doesn't work try something else new like you know if your dreams to be like in our position or be a creator

like just keep trying try new shit like yeah and as as long as you don't stop you're I feel like you're eventually going to do it. Yeah. Now, as far as this kind of not quitting, obviously, I'm not, it's not in regards to Jesse or anything, but I know you've obviously talked about this stuff in the past, but how big was Jesse in the success of Nelk overall? Huge, huge. Yeah. Massive. It was me, it was me and him, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, when I met him, we probably had 30K on YouTube. I had 30K. Yeah. Dude, he was huge. I mean, I don't know when he left that but like yeah he was could have there's no way we would be here without him yeah without a doubt right but um yeah i think i think with him like is i didn't want to people think that i was

talking about him with that but no no of course not nah yeah but he did eventually get to a point where he was like hey it's not for me anymore yeah yeah but he made that decision and then and mean like he left at a good time and also set himself up like very well of course so for him it's like you know he still owns a huge piece of happy dad yeah he's now he's he didn't quit he's like doing he's just doing something different now yes so yeah yeah but jesse i mean yeah you was huge right like it's crazy everything we did yeah when i was in palm springs like because i went to palm springs recently to chill and um i totally forgot but me and jesse like rodeed to vidcon for the first time oh in his car years ago and it broke down yeah years ago like i'm yeah fuck six seven years

ago. Yeah. And it broke down. His car, we're on the way to VidCon. We're almost, we're almost at VidCon. We drove from Canada. So fucking 30 hours, like not even 34 hours probably. We got two hours to go. I feel like that's something like Canadians do, bro. Like get on road trips, road trips like that. Like Europeans and Canadians. Rodies are dope. But it's like people from America. You love roadies too, no. I love them. But like, it's not normal. Like people from America don't go like east to west coast. So like take flights. It's just cheaper. The road trip. Yeah. Flying from Toronto to L.A. Oh, I I don't know.

It's way cheaper. Because you probably fill up your tank like three, four times, maybe. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong. So just you and him were on that road. I think Florida could be like two gas tanks from Toronto. Maybe I'm tripping. But it's way cheaper.

It's way cheaper. Flights from Toronto sometimes could be like over, you know, back then when you're broke. Yeah. You got to hop in the car. And we fucking, we would get a cooler and put a cooler in the middle and go to the grocery store and buy fucking wraps and lunch meat and snacks. And we didn't even have money to eat. eat out. I love that. I swear to God. Like we'd like at gas stations like we wouldn't even buy food

in the gas station like we'd make wraps like get the mayo put turkey some cheese and just like eat wraps. I toss some cheese strings in the cooler too like yeah. So that's what we did. But yeah, our car broke down in Palm Springs for five days. We were stuck in Palm Springs. Not at the car. Like you must have went somewhere. We just stayed at a motel. Oh my God. Like we took it to a repair shop and every day they're like, all right, we're going to fix it. We're going to fix it. They never fixed it. And then, like, we almost missed VidCon. So we had to post on Snapchat and say, like, yo, is there anyone that can, like,

come to Palm Springs and pick us up and, like, drive us to VidCon? And these guys came to pick them up, came to pick us up. I was thinking about it, and I feel so bad because I don't remember their names. But I feel really bad. But, like, I'm going to do something for them. Yeah, totally forgotten. It's really bad of me that I haven't. But I'm going to, like, find that video and I'm going to track those boys down.

Yeah, fucking send me a tweet or some shit. Yeah. I'll send it over. but yeah that's fucked up but it was crazy because they came and they picked us up and they drove us to vidcon and i think they let us like sleep on their floor and shit like in their like hotel and shit it's fucking crazy and then eventually the car the car got fixed so we had to like go back and get it yeah and then we drove home have you ever had any other moments any other like crazy experiences like that with fans yeah i mean we've stayed at we used to stay at fans houses right

yeah that was how we started so we didn't have money for hotels or anything so we just literally post on Snapchat like hey we're in St. Louis or whatever like who who will let us crash at their house yeah and then I would vet them too like I'll message them for a bit and then I like you know okay like where would we sleep where do you live blah blah blah blah blah blah then I would get on FaceTime with them and like talk to them and then feel them out but we never had a weird experience I think because we stopped doing it we probably would have eventually yeah yeah the first guy we stayed at his name was like magic mic we've done a ton of videos with him and shit he's a dope guy yeah um he like yeah i'm not sure what kind of condition he has

but he has some sort of like condition mental condition oh okay um but yeah he was like the nicest guy ever and we like slept on his couch and stuff like that and you know when i you know what i realized the fan base was crazy like really crazy when i personally realized it was when we went to ireland oh yeah that's crazy and we were going to have that meet up and then like we were like on that park we were all in that car and like the massive horde of fucking irish kids that were chasing us we didn't expect that no dude because we announced the meetup brad came to join us and then we announced the meetup and then it literally was a riot we pull up yeah and cops were already there people were chasing us down the road yes and then we couldn't pull up

how many years ago was this four probably fuck dude it was so long ago europe was yeah that was crazy bro son we've done so much dope shit but we couldn't pull up the cops even said if you guys pulled up there we would have arrested you yeah and then we tried to go to that bar afterwards and like try to sneakily get them to go there but they they saw us and were like get the fuck out of here yeah that was that was crazy damn this is this is like real crazy fucking and i'm like we're in ireland it really is like a fucking i don't know man it's like we're like it's like a justin beber fan base of like males it's interesting right it's yeah some some fans are kind of like they're a bit you know if you're a fan like you got to just treat us like a

normal person if you want us to really respect you i'm just being honest yeah like you know i get it because they're so shocked but like yeah i the way i say it is like you're forced to meet a lot of people in this position and then some people are just naturally weird yeah and then some people all like they'll come up and dab me up and be like yo bro like fucking love your videos man like yeah you guys are like i love you guys been watching you forever i'm like how like that's the dopes thing you could say yeah dab you up take a photo and I'm like oh that guy was dope yeah then some guys will come up and like completely fanboy and like scream and it's like sweating shaking just relax you know yeah but I get it and it's still cool yeah you know the

audience is is crazy man um do you're crazy are there are there other other like would you compare it to any other audiences that you like seen or been a part of like on YouTube like you know like no I don't think it's like nothing yeah it's like nothing maybe like we're not we don't have as many followers as like other people and stuff like that yeah but no I think I think ours is the best I wouldn't trade it for anyone's out there yeah ours is the best like even if you have 20 million like ours is cool because it's like I don't know some of these guys are big but like if they go out of like a college party or like a bar bro they're not going to get the love that we get like they might even get chirped yeah yeah right like they can't just walk around

everywhere and shit like yeah it's funny dude they'll probably get chirped yeah like we're We never get chirped anywhere we go. Bro, every time I've ever gone to a bar since we started making content, it's like there's dudes coming up to me. Yeah. Like, bro, I've seen you on this.

Anyway, like you go to a football game or like. Anywhere there's a bunch of dudes. Anywhere. Anywhere the boys are. Yeah. We're getting love. It's such a crazy thing.

We're still working on that. Yeah. It'll come. It'll come. Like we said, never quit. I think it's the, I think the podcast,

I think the podcast probably switches it up a little bit. Because that's when I've seen more, more girls to come up and be like, I see you on the podcast. And I'm like, oh shit, that's rare. Like, it's literally mostly a male dominant fan base. It is. I think ours is like 85% male or 90% male.

Yeah, mine's the same shit, man. It's been like that for years too. Even before linking up with you guys. Yeah. But you know, it's, I think girls, too, they're, it's like kind of, I think some girls get, there's got to be some girls out there, right? Because there's, I see it. There's 15%.

But I think girls will come up to us, too. But I think sometimes girls get clown for actually liking milk. I see what you're saying. Because there's got to be some girls that. actually like yo the shit's funny yeah you know but i think they're it's not really cool for them to come up like guys yeah that's what i noticed i get it's quick and a rush for one of our sponsors green chef now check this out this is obviously one of the dopest products uh because i'm gonna tell you right now i have the hardest time cooking my meals because i number one i don't like

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like trusting intentions and trusting that like I don't really have an issue with that no no because I don't get fooled at all yeah I don't you just know yeah I just know I've never put myself in that position I've only like really dated two chicks yeah my whole life so like seriously dating yeah yeah so it's just like but yeah I mean messing around with random girls that's totally different that's that's that's sketchy as fuck but in terms of like actually dating them and like you're saying like getting used yeah no I'm pretty good with that so then how do you how so that then my question is really like how do you start to determine like how do you determine that that's not that kind of girl like how are you how are your what are your markers no you just know you just know I just know

I just feel it out yeah and like some girls you're meeting you're just like man I would never date that chick yeah like she's maybe she's hot but I'm just like man I would never date that chick would I slay her absolutely yeah I get it and and we have yeah of course of course that's funny man yeah You just know, but some people are suckers. I don't know how they don't see it. Like, you just get fucked. Yeah.

Yeah, some people just get rinsed. But I just laugh because I'm just like, man, I could see that. I'll see other guys with girls too. And I'm like, damn. Yeah, she's getting you. You're going to get rinsed. Fuck, man. Yeah, that shit's tough, right?

Yeah, that's a tough one. But yeah, especially like, I mean, it'd be hard to trust the girl from L.A. Yeah. I know everyone says. Why is that a thing? Anyone, I mean, because there's so many options here. Yeah, like we're we're competing with NBA players NFL players Rappers yeah like billionaires like fuck even rappers like billionaires bro yeah right like

They're all in these circles like if we go to an LA party or a Miami party Bro, you could have some fucking right yeah, they're probably better looking than us too like fuck dude we're rinsed Like some guys just have me beat you know right like do you ever see that? Yeah of course they're better looking more money fuck yeah probably not more jacked than you but yeah yeah probably bigger horn too like you just fuck yeah you're funny yeah i got a question in regards to i because i've always been impressed by this it just much like selim the uh the stone face like how how do you perfect that without laughing just in pranks and all that just been always good at it even from the beginning yeah just been good at it how i don't know because like dude we practice me and jacob will

fuck around and like practice what right it's like the i'm not as good as it as i once was why why i just laugh now more yeah that's what bro i we did a moaning we did a moaning in a golfer's ear and the guy just like freaked out and i just laughed because it was so funny fuck i think it's the pranks that like i'm i'm not really like i didn't invent like selim like the moaning's his thing yeah so like the moaning's like not really my thing so when i do it like it's so funny It's so funny in real life that I'm just like fuck but ones that are my style like I'm good Yeah because you you're so good at that like just look like looking you're you're just like it's so funny right It's so stupid that's the funniest shit I know it's so funny like when you really mean like you just really feel like you mean exactly what you're doing and you're like I'll kind of like think of like what I'm gonna say beforehand like one little one liner like I'll think of like a one liner and you like bite the inside of your cheek or some shit like how do you no I just do it bro that's the thing

I do it and I just like I feel like I have to like like bite my cheek you just zone out I'm just thinking of the clip I'm thinking of the fans and like how much you're going to laugh at this like I'm like all right I got to get this yeah have there been any moments like like that that have gone like really south where you've gotten like because I remember remember that guy's been arrested twice yeah I've been arrested twice I've been yeah I've been punched once by this big black guy yeah in a fucking in a store right like a Walmart or some type shit yeah and a Walmart uh it was the sneezing prank yeah he fucking we we did the sneezing yeah and then he's like don't I don't do that funny shit and he just punched me in the face

and then he chased me out of the store and he he like stood in front of the fucking automatic doors like you know Walmart there's like an entrance and an exit yeah like I was trying to go out the exit and like he's just boxing me in and then he got on his phone and he pulled his phone out and he's like you want to go viral like and he punched me again he's like all right we're going viral now and shit and he posted it on his Facebook it probably went viral I don't know yeah we did a video with him after

did you see that we went back we did another prank how'd you find him on his Facebook oh you message posted on Facebook and I messaged him

and like he like he found it funny after he saw the video yeah and then he's just like I was like yo you want to prank selim

so we went back to another store and like I told him to pull up and then like I go on the store and I'm like yo salim the guy's here and then we like

he chased us out of the store again and shit it was funny content wise have you have I mean, I don't think so much of this stuff. Have you ever faked anything? No.

Remember back in the day, like Fusi, too? Like, these people were getting popped for, like, faking fucking pranks and shit. You never actually faked a prank. No. Yeah. I think that's what kind of, that is honestly one thing that made us take off too. Because when that whole fake pranks thing was going on. Yeah, that was a massive deal.

We just said, let's do shit that can't be faked. So that's when we started doing like more pranks and like public and shit. Like college lecture pranks Like stuff that people can't be like Yeah, this is fake Yeah, I didn't hire all these kids It's in the classroom I hear that a lot

I never really thought of it But I guess yeah People say like Yo, you guys really took off Because like you just didn't do fake shit And like for us that was so easy Like once we found our rhythm It was just like

It was just easy And yeah it just it feels like cheating right To kind of Yeah you know what's interesting as a whole People still fake shit There's like people like a lot of pranks There's a lot of pranks I see Like someone will show it to me

Be like yo like you guys should do this I'm like bro that's fake that's fake yeah like you know what's interesting about this your success and the success of knellk and all this overall it seems like everything you've said kind of lends to the fact that you've kind of just just kept it fucking real and you've just been yourself and you've been like this is this is what we like this is and and even as we talked about content progressing you're even realizing more so now just to continue to do it that way like you're just doing something because you generally enjoy it you have fun doing it you like it's the truth that's the key because

people could see through fake shit You can see through it's so easy, I think on social for sure on social yeah like really longer format and dude it just like I can't sleep at night like that like you know like if you were just like what's good it's good you look high as fuck right now holy shit I could see you I always know when you're high you guys haven't even seen each other yet no no no I saw him earlier oh okay yeah why why not the best host how I'm not the best host You're always pissed off. What am I mad at?

What am I mad at? I just wanted to ask you. You're okay? I'm great. I'm great, dude. What do you have the most fun doing now? Because you have all this shit now and you're building all, you're building all this dope shit. Like, what do you really have fun doing?

Like with the business? Just in life. In life? Yeah. I mean. I feel like you like me. Like, I don't, a lot of my fun still is in regards to the business. Yeah.

I mean, a lot of our fun is. in regards to the business too i think i really loved like the russia trip and traveling yeah i really love traveling like i think that's a huge passion of mine and like i like going to places that are like way different now you know like it's so cool like going to russia is just like you don't know what it's going to be like like like you have no idea what it's going to be like you know seeing just different cultures and stuff so i think traveling man it's just like it's such a blessing too to travel the way we travel right yeah because not everyone can just go to Russia and stuff and kind of do what we did and see what we saw yeah but I think that's

something that 2023 especially based on the response of the video yeah is like dude I think 2023 is just like the real big like international year and like where we do fucking like we're talking about Israel now yeah about like Egypt I was one to Egypt and then Africa in general yeah one of our sales reps Connor shout out Connor um for happy dad he he he he He messaged me and said, and this is how shit starts. Like, it's just like, like, he messaged me and said, like,

yo, my best friend, my best friend's girlfriend is the princess of Zimbabwe. What? Yeah. And he's like, if you guys want to go to Zimbabwe, like, they'll completely take care of you.

So, like, that could be our Africa plug. Like, we go and it's just like, that's the way to do it. Like, you go to Russia, you go with, like, Islam and Hasbullah. Like, if you go to Africa,

you go with the fucking princess of Zimbabwe. And he sent me all the shit we can do. Like, Zimbabwe has like legit safaris like real safaris it's fucking villages and all that shit like can you imagine that show so fun like wouldn't that be sick yeah and we get to film it and it's classified as work yeah no it's a it's a huge that's what I find fun it's interesting how you mentioned that though how things actually come to fruition like how they start is a lot I realize too I got a for nilk like sometimes I get lazy but I got to be the one like

putting these videos together because like I have all the connections a lot too right yeah Like even the Islam and Hasbullah thing was like, I had to like kind of put that together. Like no one's going to put that together unless I do it, right? Yeah. Like I got to hit up the manager because I'm tight with Islam's manager. Yeah. Ali. And then I hit up Hasbullah's guys and I knew that he was like launching an NFT.

So I said, you know, want to do a video around that time. Yeah. You know, just kind of learning. I know how business works. So I know how other people's minds work. Yeah. So it's just kind of, you know. But is it a detail that I.

the dots yeah these are the details that i find interesting like a lot of people wouldn't recognize they just think oh you're just showing up making content no like i just like i was like damn like imagine going to dagestan with hasbula like that'd be fucking crazy so i hit up his manager and i was just like yo what do you think about this like and he said yeah like you know it's weird how every and then we did it's we did some merch too yeah i saw the shirts we probably i mean we made we made hasbula a shit ton of money yeah so like they're gonna be fucking happy and now they're gonna want to do more shit with us yeah because when you make someone money for sure and that that's the great opportunity we have is like you know at the end of the day people want to make money so if we can make other

people money they're going to want to work with us too yeah it's it's it's a it's a give and take for sure and then we get great content out of it too like it's dope it's it's such a blessing man I'm I'm grateful for all the time and I want to say this on camera because I you know I've told you i think in person but i want to tell you like you know tell you on camera so it's not not up to discussion but i'm grateful that you've had me be a part of all this stuff for so long that on the podcast i have fun doing it and i really enjoy meeting the people so i'm glad i'm glad you're on the pod yeah i think it's great i just want to i don't want to i don't want to not say that because i don't want to ever end this fucking episode that we you know finally got and i'm grateful for you

to come because you you have done a lot for a lot of people and um i think sometimes i don't know I think sometimes people at the top, I know I felt in positions where like, for me, I didn't feel like someone cared enough or like someone was grateful enough to be a part of something. But at least for me in regards to you and everything you've created and obviously Steve here as well and fucking everyone else involved, I'm grateful to be a part of it. Yeah, it's good. I love having you involved and, you know, I enjoy your company as well too, even business aside like you're a funny, great guy. I love your company and your energy. and content wise too i love having you in the content yeah now it's no more i think it would be i think it'd be great if this year we could just do a lot of content altogether steve if he's allowed

on youtube yeah it's that's a tough one yeah i mean just i think this year i mean even if it's not youtube i was saying too like let's just let's use this year too like let's just do a lot of let's continue the takeover even even short form stuff i think short form stuff too yeah like instagram instagram too i was telling steve that too but anything he's doing for his rumble should be like but yeah there's a lot of short form shit that what oh thank you how did i cap how did i cap how did i cap how did i cap how did i cap all right boys listen up shout out from another one of our sponsors mint mobile now check this out this is one of the most important things in life and in business and all this stuff cutting your costs okay we're going to call

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saying like it is true like it you know everyone's not always exactly on the same page blah but that's how life is but i i couldn't end this without telling you like being a part of everything that i've been able to be a part of with you has been massive for me as well let's tell and like without saying that is like would be really fucking lame and i'm proud of you man like you you've done so much for like so many people, your family, obviously the audience, everyone, but it's like if you didn't keep pushing this forward, I know because I remember at one point this is no knock on Jesse. I remember talking to you about this and seeing how much effort you put in every single day for this. And I was looking at it again, it's not a knock on Jesse. I saw other people just, you know, kind of not wanting to be a part

of it as much. And it makes sense because they live that experience and then they were ready to move on to something else. And I completely understand it. But I know I remember when we started filming stuff back in the day it was like you had to do these things and now you kind of got to this point where you know you're able to obviously continue doing it continue to grow and there's so much more to do but if you didn't keep pushing that forward the way you did it wouldn't be what this is today for all of us for sure but yeah I guess in his defense too it's like if you're not knocking no I know you didn't knock him but yeah he just wasn't happy so it's different I think if I'm never not happy doing this shit I would stop too I'm just actually happy doing it

Yeah, no, I get it. You know, like I had that little period two weeks ago where I wasn't feeling that great. Yeah. And if that continued, like, dude, I wouldn't be able to physically be here doing this, right? No, no. That's one thing I learned, like, last, you know, two months, just, dude, it was just like, dude, really, like, being happy is the most important thing. Yeah. For sure.

And that's, again, that's so cliche. But I've been through times where it's like, damn, like, you know, you're just not feeling happy. And there's nothing worse than that, right? So that's one thing this year, too. It's like we're going to keep killing it too, but I'm also keeping them in mind that it's like, dude, if you're not happy, then this shit's all fucking pointless. It is. It is. It's absolutely pointless.

Everything. If we just do shit, we just do it just to do it. We're going to be fucking miserable, man. Yeah. So I think that's a big thing this year. But I'm excited for this year, man. I am too. I'm really excited.

I just, again, people are like, yo, what's the pivotal moment? Like, it's still going to get bigger, bro. Yeah. I think we're going to just be something like so big. like we're just I just think we're going to be so big like I'm just going to be at the top of like the business game yeah I think we got to go crazy this year though we got to go crazy and we got we got to we got to adapt to the new shit yeah we got to we got to get more short form shit out that's a fact yeah and yeah no videos we're going to do probably once a month podcast that's a

fucking yeah that's easy the best shit we're going to get the best guess and shit um yeah and we got a good team now too yeah solid so it'd be good have you in the videos too. Stiney's been dope too. Gambles is fucking dope. Yeah, man. But I just, I,

again. Salim, cousin, Gabe, Steve. I just want to say I'm proud of you for real, man. You've done,

because like I said, all those people all exist kind of in this, in this world in relationship to what you continue to push forward.

I think, too, I've been noticing, too. I mean, it's crazy when I first met you and we started hanging out, like,

where Roggear was at. Oh, bro. Compared to where it's at now. No, I'm not, bro. I mean, I'm like you you like really you really transformed it yeah I'm not going to lie man like like I like I don't want to

shit on it but like before it was like pretty much nothing right yeah yeah like you were doing it but like yeah now it's like a full fledged brand thing and like all the people that you have reping it and shit yeah like it's it's inspiring to me too yeah I'm being dead honestly no I get you it's cool because the truth is I remember um I remember years ago when we were we're doing business stuff together and we were sending each other like numbers and stuff and I was looking at your numbers looking at mine and I was like damn and then I as soon as like we did that

we like worked on some stuff that's besides the point is I saw this and then I started to see because we would continue to talk about like growth like what you were doing like you know and I see these crazy numbers because you also you would also promote it like and I'm not gonna lie I remember those days

and I was like damn yo what the fuck I was like there's no there's like I need to step this up so even where I'm at now with Roger specific is also part of that motivation came from seeing what was possible the things that you were doing and we were doing I was a part of it as well but watching watching that go crazy I was like yo it was like just simply seeing something and being able like oh this is really possible because I saw it like

you couldn't deny it right I was like fuck I think I want to be able to do that so you even me obviously I've always had big aspirations but seeing it be like super tangible through what you were doing I was like fuck that that like I said it's like the inspiration goes back and forth 100% and that's with everyone too yeah you or steve or even watching other creators and stuff yeah you always like even if they're smaller than you you'll look at them and you'll be like damn like yeah i got to go harder they did this i want to do this and i think i think this is the difference that's that's key too yeah and like this is difference between like really successful people versus people who like flounder is like people who see other people do it and they get motivated to be better instead of

like demotivated to like fuck that person i you know i don't have this because of them or whatever that's a good that's actually a good point too i remember that like i remember when we used to go to like la parties and like we wouldn't get let in and shit yeah that used to happen all the time or like someone would tell you to pull up and like um because when we first came to la we were nobody's right so like we'd go to we go to parties and like maybe you wouldn't get in and like all the influencers that like you were like that were popping at the time this was like vine days yeah like all those like the vines are in there and shit too like yeah and you didn't get let in like I remember like some of our team would get pissed and I would just get like

pissed in a good way I it would literally motivate me so much yeah every time that I got denied from an LA party I would just flip it into motivation and be like all right like this is never going to happen like one day and shit yeah you know what I mean for sure yeah that's huge man it's all how you channel this shit the energy and like into the things that you're doing like I said a lot of people choose to take the left way and be like yeah this sucks man my life I don't have because he has it. And you, you,

like everything you said is like, literally the ideas around just keeping it real. Well, what you enjoy, not quitting, obviously, and like using all this motivation to make you better

instead of make you worse. That's a good last one. Yeah. That's what you did, man. It's impressive. I'm proud of you. Thank you.

Congrats on everything. Let's keep it up this year. Let's fucking. Yeah. Let's go big. Full send, happy dad, fucking everything,

man. Really, really fucking dope. Yeah. And I'm happy and I'm part of it. So, let's keep it up. Thank you for

Coming on the pod, making the time, because I know you fucking are a busy man. I was going to say, too, on the topic of that, I think we should maybe talk about a, let them decide about a full send rod gear. I would love to. That go crazy. Whether we do it limited or whatever, but it would go nuts. Make it super dope. Yeah.

I'm with it. Be dope. Yo, they're going to go nuts in the comments for that. Well, now we built the hype. Yeah. Cool. I appreciate you coming, man, for real. All right, bro.

Subscribe, iTunes, YouTube, all that shit. Yeah, bro. You're legend. Good shit. I'm proud of you. All right, bro. Yes, sir.