RAWTALK - Mike Majlak On Logan Paul Lawsuit, Responding to SNEAKO & Sara Saffari

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Mike Majlak On Logan Paul Lawsuit, Responding to SNEAKO & Sara SaffariWelcome back to another episode of RAWTALK, with this weeks guest, Mike Majlak & Sara Saffari. In this episode they cover Logan Paul on his upcomign fight, & how sara and mike respond to SNEAKO...Sponsors: UNDERDOG FANTASY: USE CODE BRADLEY https://underdogfantasy.com/?_branch_match_id=1230389719484556112&utm_source=partner&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXL8hJrNQrzUtJLUrJT09LzCtJLK7US87P1S%2FQTSpKTMlJrdTNTSwqqcwDAAxdXJ8xAAAAGREENCHEF: USE CODE: 60RAWTALK TO GET 60% OFF YOUR ORDER and FREE SHIPPING!https://www.greenchef.com/pages/podcast?c=60RAWTALK&mealsize=3-2&c_comms=PERCENT&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=podcast60off&vs_campaign_id=bf93711d-03da-4d15-bc30-055ae876a8df&utm_content=act_podcast_podcastads SHIPSTATION: GO TO https://www.shipstation.com/promos/raw-talk/ FOR A 60 DAY FREE TRIAL!

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trying to make that happen along with a prestigious prestigious guest Mike Maylack we're going to crush this episode stay tuned we have a lot of hot juicy topics yeah so stay tuned like comment subscribe before we even get into it and let us know which one out of the three of us is the best looking, okay? I don't know why that's, I don't know why. I think you're, you win by default because the audience mostly men. Like, I don't know what you did that for.

That was interesting. Anyways. We have a podcast, by the way. Bradley Martin and I do have an amazing podcast, better than this podcast called Mommy and Daddy Talk. I don't know about better, but different. Um, and Mike will be on that podcast as well. He'll be one of our first guests when we decide to have guests on.

We're crushing kind of solo at the moment. Oh, it's just been you too? Yeah. And we get like 150 K views. Yeah. Hot one again. 150K views. Oh, that's fucking solid.

20,000. All a brand new channel. Yeah. Well, I'm going to, I want to start with this. First and foremost, yo, what up? Raw Talk audience. I'm back sooner than usual. I usually, you know, once maybe every six months.

This was an important episode, though. It's like an emergency meeting. I don't even know what it's about. I'm going to talk about. Okay. You ask, I'm always so honored and blessed to come on this show. The last episode crushed it. I think people once again got a ton of value.

I love sitting and talking to you. And you, Safari, Sarah without an age, same first name as my girl. Yeah. I met her today because I wanted to, I wanted to come to her aid, bro. I've been seeing her getting smoked. Yeah. Getting smoke left and right, taking strays from every red pill. And that's my son.

That's my son. Christian Muslim under the sun. Even Hillary Clinton ass Twitter bitches out here with suit jackets on. Like this muscular ass. She's disgusting. I shut the fuck up. Like I saw that and I was like, yo, I need to sit down with this, this independent. young, hardworking, fit women

and really make her understand that what she's doing is a beautiful thing. Yo, do your thing, girl. Like, I'm proud of you. I mean that shit. So, that was so nice. Thank you, Mike. Anyways.

Damn. So, yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Because here's the deal, right? I was in Miami. I was doing a stream with, which was infamous right now, Sneco right now.

Top of the game, I'd say, in the streaming world, right? It goes, it's like Sneco, neon, obviously Aiden's in there. But these guys are coming up now on this IRL streaming way, which myself and Steve are going to start taking apart. I'll probably...

Shout out Fusi. Fusi, yes. G7, real talk. G7, baby. Missing an action. Like, get your ass back out here. But also, like, let's not leave the real goats of the shit out of it, bro. Like, Kaisana is really, like, on the top of all of it.

Aiden's still crushing numbers, little bro, Aiden. But, yeah, of course, I'm going to sit here and give flowers to sneak on and neon. They're collaborating and they're doing good work together. They've got great concepts. They got a great team behind them. and honestly like like not to interrupt you because I know you were going somewhere but honestly you see this like humbling happen in real time I thought I've been talking about the tate he went to jail got out humbled man started talking with speaking from a place

of love empathy you know I kind of understand where you're coming from I'm not going to call this girl fat I'm not going to call her a whar anymore I'm just going to have conversations you know right and you already kind of see sneko like he rode that red pill wave to the top talking that crazy and now he's kind of calm and down a little bit doing comedy shit coming into his own so bro i will never have anything uh bad to say about the the up-and-coming creators i mean that's that's who has the torch now so yeah so i mean i'm proud of all those guys yeah yeah um and i agree i agree 100 percent there's nothing to take away from that there's obviously like some things you know we talk about the sarah thing i thought was

interesting because i talked to sneeco on the phone about this there was nothing crazy that was said the only thing crazy that was said to me was like he gay made you he did the whole like man voice and i was I was like, you know, that was personal. Bro, he cooked me for 25 minutes. It was a 25 minute segment of his like two hour desktop stream. You feel burnt, kind of burnt? I was so burnt. I felt so burnt.

I was sad. I was like sweating because I got hot. Did you get any tears actually? What? Did you get any tears? No, no, no. No, I didn't cry, but I was just like. What are you too manly to cry?

No, I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just running the same joke back. It was disrespectful. That's how I'm here. No. I saw it.

I did see that clip. What did you think? Well, because, honestly, like, homie cooks, right? And he's entertained. Me and him do battle. We'll talk about it. We're going to go into a bit. But, like, we do fucking medieval battle, right?

But like, but like, he knows what he's doing. He knows how to troll. He knows he's enthralling and entertaining and enthusiastic on camera. But, um, I'm, I'm, can we back up a step here? Because I really want to understand, like, the, the, the environment and like the landscape of y'all's relationship. Because y'all were, y'all were doing content together, right? At one point, was there, was there, was there like an, an,

extramarital or extracurricular activity there like were y'all like no no no because i didn't know see how we all say the same thing based on clips right yeah yeah because i see i'm gonna be honest with you i'm just gonna say this flat out i can't i don't watch streams i can't watch streams i'm 38 years old i'm watching about israel i'm watching like real stuff the streams i appreciate it and i know there's a lot of kids out there that watch that but i can't watch it i see the clips i watch them and i saw that clip about you and i was like damn i thought they had like something going on no let's hear from you. Yeah, no, it wasn't like anything actually like behind the cameras of like a relationship. It wasn't like that. I thought it was a mutually beneficial filming content together.

Hence why I did not think that he should have cooked me as much as he did because regardless of other women he's had on his streams, I think I brought more to the table. Whatever, it might be my ego or something. But I think that I provided value to his streams. So I don't think he should have cooked me as hard as he did. I told him that. I called him and I was like, bro, I felt violated what did he say hooked me what do he say on the phone call he said i can't find a reason to tell you i'm sorry yeah he stands on that it's just a different it's just a different attitude bro bro like okay there's so much to unpack there like take it from the king of potentially the king of of of of click baiting with girls yes like i don't know that there's any but yeah i don't

think there's a single person that will ever hit the 10 million view youtube mark week after week just from running that game. I'll honestly argue that you, you like printed that blueprint. No, 1,000% I give a little bit of props to Adam 22. Of course. He was doing some,

but it was very adult facing and a lot. And when I was doing it, like these girls were actually my homies. I was either hooking up. I was with Lana. I was with Emily, you know what I'm saying? Like I was either with the girls

or I was homies with them. So I always felt like it was just like content. Like we were just shooting content. I wasn't like, you want to go link up with this shit to burn a view count. Right. It just made sense to me. So, so when I saw that happening, it mess with me a little bit because there's really no mistake, women in thumbnails and as clickbait on, on social media and on these content channels, increase views run the whole shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, bro, like like like like you saw when they did that hot tub stream, which is where me and Sneco got an argument about. We got to talk about. Yeah. When they did that, their numbers were. Atmospheric, bro. what I'm saying like out of control so so then when I saw that when I was like there was this like

argument point about who brought more to the table and I saw that and I and I hadn't met you I had seen you on some Snapchat stuff and some other channels and I said let me dig into this girl's engagement her I go on her Instagram she's pulling a quarter million fucking likes and tons of comments and and I'm looking at some of these other channels Snapchat some of these other thing I'm like yo this girl's numbers are beefy yeah this isn't some like oh sneako had her on and now her numbers got beefy like Logan used to do for people back in the day or whatever. Bradley made me two years a year and a half ago. Her numbers are

crazy. They're at they're in the in the in space bro. So like when I saw that and him saying like oh like oh it was the way that he reacted to that call out which was like him kind of laughing about the idea that he brought more to the table or I was just like that just doesn't and I understand I understand that he has a cultural

relevancy like he walks out and everyone knows him maybe I don't have that as much as he does whatever it may be like I get that but also the other women he had on his streams they benefited way more than I benefited it was a risk for me for them they got subscribers to their only for me sure I gained maybe followers on Instagram how many how many I think I gained probably 10 K 10 K okay okay back this up for a second because could back this off for a second no because listen to me when I when I talk about but I told him thank you for that that's not what I'm talking oh when I

talk about doing this shit. When I talk about doing this, I want you to really listen to me for a second. When I met Lana, I had 200,000 on Instagram. Six months later, I had 1.7 million. Okay, you want to talk about power. Like, this is not, you, you just said to me, like, I get it, like, Sneakos, like, super culturally relevant and everybody knows them. Where are you getting that statistic from? I go out. I'm out on the streets. Who are these people that are walking around like, yo, do you know sneakers? I've never had that question asked to me. Not one time in my life.

So I think what you're doing is you're, you're misaligning your perspective with real fucking power. This is, this is new age shit. This is streaming shit. I'm not going to take nothing away from them. But they're not cracking like that. Kaisanaat's cracking like that. Kaisanaat shuts cities down. Yeah, the New York.

Aiden Ross could probably shut a city down. right but I'm not I don't yeah I'm giving my the flowers to sneak go like as he's on the come up I said the same about Zirka neon all these people right like they're on the come up but the idea that you're going to put them in some sort of fucking colossal category with the major fucking macros to me seems a little strange like like like like that's not hate that's just saying you just told me you gain 10 K 10 K's a drop in the bucket I I made I gave a girl 50k last week in one day bro you know what I'm saying like that's not real yeah that's not that's not the cloud

that you think it is. You're talking about your girl? Yeah. So don't bow down to no idea that you're not cracking and shit like that because that's not the case. That's not those aren't real numbers, bro. Yeah. No.

I just, I gained that following from Instagram, but I didn't like have it funneled to an only or anything. It's like I think I took more of a hit than a benefit. And in what sense? Because of the, because you're not able to monetize that, that audience and the way that other girls are monetizing it? No, no, not.

It's not the money. That's the issue. the fact that now my comment section or even like being like I just have to keep either talking about it with people or my comments are filled with like oh sneako sneco whether it's positive or negative it's just sneco has taken over my comment section or it's like I just tweeted out I said bradley martin made me like as a joke I tweeted that and then they were like oh but sneko they were like but it's a true joke I know but then it's like but sneco conquered you yeah but it's like but it's also what's relevant right now in the moment with an audience that is like

you know they're just they're picking like that it's very much like you want to have the conversations like did i interview neon right and we could talk about that too i saw it um and it's like his like attention's like bang bang bang because he's used to the live stream like nonstop reacting to chat nonstop reacting to chat doing something doing something doing something ending the stream so sitting down on a podcast is obviously a little different for the guy because it's like you got to sit and try to answer these questions and like put more pause in between but the point is like to mike's point the relevancy that you have is is it's different and the relevancy that they have is different and it's like it's I don't want to say it's a drop in the dime like the

bucket as far as like just can trying to continue to keep going because there's there's a ton of power there but you in those comments for example it's it's only going to be like that for like a week maybe two it's all it's all going to go and by the way I want to back up because I already know homie's going to watch on a stream and pick it that's not what I'm saying I'm not saying that they're not I'm not saying that they're not cracking right now they are the engagement is real like those streamers the engagement It's crazy. A neon and sneaker.

Once again, I'm giving them the flowers. But this game is not about cracking for a week. It's not about cracking for a month. It's not longevity. It's longevity. Like what Drake said, like we'll see you still around a decade from now.

Like real talk. Like, like, my numbers are sh** now, right? But like, but like I've been doing this shit a long time. And you're still relevant.

I'm still relevant because you, because of some people breach this like mainstream. pour over where they start doing other sh-you know what I'm saying they pop out of social media and they start doing like I'm doing that this doesn't this isn't like a big deal but I'm doing the lead-up show for the fights this weekend in Manchester I'm flying out to Manchester they're paying me money to do the commentary pre-show show the misfits one yeah the misfits you start doing that and you do you know you write a book you open restaurants and and you reach this almost more mainstream like look at Logan and WWE look at what he's able to do with boxing look what he's

able to do with prime and same thing with JJ and these real real real macro creators you know what I'm saying who are building big big like Brad a hundred percent yeah yeah so so I'm not trying to take anything away from those guys but it did rub me the wrong way a little bit that um that there was like this in his mind this extremely obvious like non symbiotic value delivery from his side only to you whereas like you know the channels were pumping more when she was in the thumbnails that's how work so so here's the debate for me and this is in regards to things that were said about you as far as like the the tension grab for OF only F and like him doing it versus you doing it

and that conversation that you guys had because like we're saying we could all agree there's no debate to this that specifically our audience and a lot of like these creators audiences young men is men in general when you have women like we've been saying you're going to get so many more views than you get if it's just you and some brother talking about something right now in regard to this like only like leveraging these creators or creators leveraging the only that's where i find it interesting because i was trying to have that conversation with sneko about like because he was he was he was telling me that the way you did it was different than the way he's done it now i want to answer to that so he showed me a clip of you back in a day uh your hair was a little bit

fuller i think before the transplant like this is young this is younger no and it's full now you look amazing definitely younger i think emily was in that clip yeah and i'm watching it and like he's like see this is the clip this is the reason why and i watch it and i didn't there was no direct like call out of you being like go to their own But yeah, you were a little bit more, like, showcasing them, but in relationship, not so much sexual, just showcasing that they were in this industry and you were reacting and talking to them about it. So when I asked him, his response to why it's different for him is that, and this was on stream, was that it because, like, I call them at least this many times and I think so it's like justifiable. So that's why I find it interesting because the point is this. I didn't see that energy on the Sky Bree pot like stream. He wasn't, was he calling Sky Bree a whole?

I think maybe once at the beginning, but not to her face. also it's just like and and and like just out of curiosity like did you have to do it in a hot tub like like like like if your if your goal is to is to do that then like where where we draw on the line you know what i'm saying so no hold on a second go ahead he i certainly have like maneuvered out of a more explicit style of content with women i i certainly was much more facing back in the day there was much more questions about about that type of thing yeah because it was of interest to me and i and honestly like to look back and say like at that point in my career that i understood every aspect angle evil of the industry and what it does to men and all that stuff i wasn't thinking about that

i was following the predecessors of of howard stern of hugh huffner of people that that are able to coexist with sex workers have a good time and make fun content out of it right this was a time very very prior to If a woman has more than one body, she should be put in a trash can. Yeah, no one was talking about that. You know what I'm saying? And by the way, no one will be talking about that. This is some dumb passing fad of this prerequisite of virginity,

which is just stupid that has been propagated and elevated by 12 year olds. They're not, these aren't real. That's the thing. That's the difference. These aren't real people, bro. These are people who have never like, like the people that are out there on Twitter saying like, or like Haram, Haram. These are people who have a tip of a penis on their body

that has never been inserted into a vizana. Homie has, they have never... Not in all cases. 98%. They have never even rubbed the ariola of a fucking titty. In their fucking... These are, these are 16, 15-year-old virgin men who are still so, like, new to all of them.

this and they are still struggling with the fact that they don't even know how to approach a woman and say, hey, good to meet you. You know what I'm saying? You seem like a cool girl. Like, let's hang out sometime. In their mind, like you see it even with this Dylan Dan is. In their mind, if someone goes like this on a show and that screenshoted, like I'm holding her hand for three seconds, we got 50 times. We got 50 times. She's a whole. I'm a fucking. She's ran through and he pulls every girl he's with. Do you feel? me? Yeah, I've gotten that forever. Okay. The whole, the whole environment is stupid. Okay. All of the is dumb, right? And so, and so yeah, like at the time, I didn't realize that this environment was going to exist five years later and I was going to have to be answering for my sins to an Arabic, fucking universe of pissed off Muslims. Like, I didn't know that was going to be the case. I love Muslims. I love the Arabs. I got to a ton of homies in that space, but I didn't realize I was going to be judged by them in a couple years. Like, I didn't know that. Yeah. Now, times have changed a little bit. I've started to better

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out on it. And by the way, I just want to say this, I think it's probably under watching this, but I did, when he was in L.A., I did invite both you guys on the podcast to have this conversation. So there's no like, he knows he going to see this. I'm not, there's not like, I'm trying to load some fucking conversation. I'd love to have it with him. Me too. Me too. I don't, bro, I've said this about Tate. I've said this about everybody. I would love to sit down because I'm not, when people ask me like, yo, how do you feel about this person? I don't hate any of these people. I have not even an ounce. of hatred towards any of these people.

And I hit you up and I was like, yo, hits, Nico. Yep, you did. Tell them meet at your house and let's run this. Let's really run this and debate this without a smoke bomb of how many genders are there. Let's talk. I saw that. I saw that clip of dating. I saw that clip too.

But yeah, so at the end of the day, I mean, it's like the thing that's interesting to me is just the virtue signaling of like, when he does it, it's different. When I do it, it's different. Like, meaning like it's worse or and that's better. That's the thing that I find interesting because at the end of the day, the leverage point is still having women in your content. for views a thousand percent any any and both people did it and i would and i would never call somebody out on that because i've done that whole career but but the only reason i even said anything

and really got fired up about it was because he had gone out of his way so many times to call me out on it and so i just wanted some clarity as to what it was and he he donated the proceeds from the stream to uh to i think like a muslim uh charity of some kind and it is what it is bro there's really there's really no reason like like I'm I'm high level and I really mean this shit I know I'm like firing off today and like I wanted to bring like good vibes and shit but like these conversations are relevant I'm trying to remove myself from a lot of this shit bro yeah and so this another topic I want to talk to you about and we'll get in some more stuff with you Sarah but I like I want to get into um Logan Paul stuff with you because we had some conversations before and like

every once in a while I'll send you something about yo did you see this did you see this and it be about Logan and so and I'm not going to like I started to feel like damn Maybe Mike doesn't like when I do this. I yelled that, I already said it on one podcast. I'm not even going to say his name again. I yelled at somebody the other day because they texted me and said, they put me in a group chat. It's a, it's a very prominent athlete's son.

I'm not going to say what it was. But they said to me, y'all, I don't fuck with this lawsuit shit. Yeah. And I said, text Logan, bro. Why am I,

like, why are you utilizing me as some sort of, like consigliary advisor like i'm gonna go get on a flight to PR 40 mile 40 000 year light years away and sit down and be like yo there's a conglomerate of people in los angeles who don't think the lawsuit's a good idea and then i said second of all bro why don't you talk to the person who actually filed the lawsuit because this has been a huge conversation huge talking point for dylan for everybody involved is like how dare he you know threaten the sanctity of pre-fight talk with that you know what the same thing that's

this lawsuit homie he didn't file it it's not his lawsuit wait what lawsuit there's a massive lawsuit against dylan danis for for like the way he was kind of getting either getting information or posting information or posting kind of like private photos of nina in relationship to the fight leading up making it look like do you think that's a justified lawsuit uh i i don't know exactly because i feel terrible for nina so does so do so does anybody with half a heart i don't i don't know which specific things they're like identifying as like yeah because i know a lot of it is public stuff it's on the internet you can google it but i don't know if there's specific things that are like beyond that are just like yeah but it's the intent also behind things like sure

it's already online but using it for malicious intent is different than it already just being posted on someone's archives from 20 years ago 10 years ago well no it happens in the fight game it certainly happens in the fight game like there's no there's no real like excuse for that shit i think i think the issues are one is everything that he posted public info right like that's the first question like did he only post shit that was actually public and then two was the relentless nature of it like when you get when you have a you know a Connor or like a Jake Paul situation where they drop one tweet about someone's wife or girlfriend or whatever but like the idea that it was going to be every single day um for 60 days yeah for like 60 days was I think the main issue how does she feel I don't know any of them personally but this is like where that line comes back again where it's like I'm answering No, no, no, no, I don't mean that. I don't mean that in, in a mean way. It's just like, that's like the boat that I'm trying to get out of.

Like, like, similarly to you with like sneak-o shit or Bradley shit or whatever, like, I've been a, I've been a victim of the vehicles that I've used to collaborate my whole career. Yeah. Yeah. It's in the comments like, yo, like L, Lana, break, like still, which is just, at this point just insane. But like, but like, Logan, like, Logan's right-hand man. Logan's yes man like all this shit which is just so categorically historically untrue but you can't this is my advice to you is like don't even try to argue it don't even try to make jokes about it because it's never gonna it will go away

like as he said it's gonna trickle down and like fall off especially as you continue to to create your own identity and build out your own identity like like if all this dumb social media shit which I'm like trying to like I said kind of remove myself from a little bit goes away tomorrow i've got a community of hundreds of thousands of people that read the fifth vital answer it i didn't see the tweet yet bro yo i hell yeah i'm on the pod it's not live but we're on the pod okay call me when you're done okay i'll call you when i'm done okay so let's talk about that well why should we have had that conversation with them we can no and by the way by the way i'm happy to talk about logan shit that's not what i'm saying i'm not that's still my boy we got the

podcast together we're still in a business relationship like all that shit happens but like I have like it it does get tremendously annoying for me to have to to have to like answer questions all the time for someone that I don't have a fucking don't even worry about answering the questions I'm just curious what your perspective on this idea of like the suing because like obviously you sat here and we say it's not Logan doing the lawsuit it's Nina right yeah do you think Logan has any sort of say in that lawsuit is the real question because the real question is like is he behind there being like yeah you should definitely fucking do it I mean he says here he supports her

so obviously he's encouraging it I haven't seen any of this I wish I wish yeah so it's so Logan so read the shop tweet first okay so Brennan Brennan said something like this bums me out first rule of fight club don't sue another fighter building the fight and then he said probably some other stuff that I but Logan responded to this

I'm assuming it's based on that it bums me out that three weeks ago I DMJune his lawsuit details because of your ignorance and response was oh Jesus did not know that not cool then you come on here talking about fight club rules like you're the referee the twisted promotion of the fight has gone far beyond the fight game and you know that i'm assuming as far as like the disrespect plus i'm and so that's where the that's the conversation where's like is it going beyond the fight game we'll ask that in a second plus i'm not i'm not the one suing him he picked a fight with an innocent woman who's standing up for herself the only way she can by holding a predator legally accountable for breaking the law any person who doesn't understand that is a delusional twat the lawsuit is her choice and I fully support her. Now I get to break his face in front of millions of people

and ruin his entire life, win-win. You know what the thing about Logan is? People love people. Dude, people really, really, really, really want to see that guy fucking just lose. Logan. Like not the fight, just in general. I think because there's been so much shit over the years.

It's not, it's not only that, but like just to add on to that, this is where like that whole true power situation comes. that I was talking about earlier that's not like you know like you did you know 100,000 stream views for fucking three months like motherfuckers been sitting on a throne of controversy a throne of of of victory losses you know but regardless a massive mainstream supported throne for a fucking decade bro tens and tens of millions of views working with every celebrity artist athlete ESPN Sports Center off the top rope Saudi UK KSI prime 10 billion dollar valuation like this is real

shit yeah real shit not like yo we we had a a fat transgender on our stream and we threw her into a ball pit I think that shit's hilarious but like this is a different fucking animal you're talking about the knee honey it's hilarious it's hilarious bro but what I'm saying is people are not people are starting to lose connection of like the true nature of this ball game and where the players are standing so so while you're right this is always going to be a shots at the throne category okay no one wants to see him win and I'm not saying it's not because there's valid hatred he's done a bunch of controversial shit and people shouldn't be mad at I'm not saying that but at the end of

the day people want to tear people's buildings down no one wants to see any of us what did I've experienced it so many times in my sir no one wants to see any of us win No one wants to see you in. No one wants to see me, except for a real diehard true fans, which represents a small percentage of all these people watching this. Everybody else wants to see you fuck up.

They want to see you fuck up. They want to see me fuck up. That's how this game is. That's the shit you've got to elevate out of and you've got to keep pushing forward regardless. And that's how it is in all the people's watching this lives too. They got a bunch of people that are praying on their downfall. Anybody watching this episode right now,

go tell your friends you just got a new job and you're going to be making $125 pay annual. No, they might clap for you, bro, but they don't mean that shit. In their mind, they're back and be like, they didn't even deserve that job. No, 100%. If people, humans are jealous animals, bro, who want to tear other people down. And so once again, I'm not saying that the kid's been perfect. I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything wrong, but since day one, since he started doing the shit that he's been doing breaking the mold, people have been firing shots at that, at that kingdom.

Yeah, but he made something bigger than just like Logan Paul, like even with the drinks, with, you know, people, everyone. knows him too. What's the point? If it's good or bad, everyone knows him, his name, something about him. His household. That's the point. But what do you, so I want your perspective on the lawsuit. You think it's, it should have happened in the sport.

Because there is, there is a, there is a conversation there for sure. And obviously it's not his lawsuit, but let's keep it real. Like he could probably be like, hey, don't do that or do that. I know he has that power because he's been in other situations where he has the power to kind of dictate how situations play out. Let's talk about. And I can call Brennan. Let's talk about the idea right now that in this world we're seeing complex situations.

We don't have to specifically call them out. Okay. The internet wants me and you and you to give a very simple answer for this right now. Digestable. Nah, he should have made sure that lawsuit didn't happen. He had no right. she had no right. Other people on the other side, Dylan had no right.

She has, the complexities, God, if you even knew the complexities of the situation, that I can't even speak of, bro, that are, this is not simply man upsets dude, dude tells girl to file a lawsuit. That's not what happened here. Or dude didn't do enough to make her not do it. Bro, there is a relentless attack on a person's character

which is attached to a brand which supplies revenue for a woman to survive there is a there is a fight going on that has to build you know attention for there is an enemy between dylan and logan that exists outside of the fight there's an enemy between dylan and jake there's an enemy between dylan and j j there's dylan trying to build clout for himself so when he loses this fight and all of this goes away he still has a couple people that give a fuck about what he's doing the idea that this is some binary a b black and white answer is is just like everything else on the internet fucking stupid right so so here's where i'm out on it it was relentless relentless daily abuse of a non-opponent in the fight if he had done it for a couple days, drop the seed in Logan's head.

Y'all, I got some shit on your girl. And that had started to affect Logan's feelings about the fight, whatever. The issue that I think she had and they had was that when it became an everyday 24-7 assault on someone's character that, by the way, was completely defamatory, spun out of control, mislabeled. He was taking pictures of dudes that were like gardeners and giving it. the overall appearance and propagating this rumor that she fucked a hundred thousand people when it turned into this soap opera is when it went off the rails and i think nina had to make a decision for herself to protect herself to protect her brand and now here's the question

you're logan new here's another factor newly engaged to the girl of your dreams okay and you have to go into this extremely public battle deciding to yourself do I support her decision? Do I support a decision that supports my life? Do I support a decision that best supports me in the fight game? What do I do here to satisfy the 90,000 factors involved in this extremely complex scenario? So when you sit there and you ask me to provide to you an answer for where I feel, how I feel, I come at it as a 38 year old man who understands a the complexities and natures of this world that the 20 year olds and 12 year olds that support this shit don't get. Yeah, I get it. I mean, it is, it's far, far more complicated than that.

I understand. You feel me? So is it yes or no. Sorry, I had to do it because they'd be pissed if I didn't do it. I respect that. I think it's also different from a girl's perspective, what she's being put through and her brand image.

It's terrible. It's so bad. I remember me talking about it, seeing it on social media, talking about it with my girlfriend's. we always think like poor nina so i i go i'll play not deserve that whatsoever i got to play the 16 year old uh i got to play the devil's other side i hope you so because like they're not here to say it so they're going to be like who cares you're married to logan paul he's going to be a billionaire deal with

i'm not saying this is true she cares about her reputation yeah i'm just i got to put it out there sorry i thought about no it's not a little bit i think that's why i know it's not but that's the thing that's that's see what you just say which is so interesting that's what every person literally watching the show will take we'll take like a perspective and just like you know if we talk about the younger generation like they're not going to be able to make like really conscious like is this the best choice for that guy based on this and they don't know they just see what someone's saying on twitter this chick's this just six that and that's part of the whole problem right at the same time like their level of understanding of the whole situation how actually complex it is and how

like because to think that this girl is not somewhere wherever the fuck she's at i'm assuming in Puerto Rico I don't know what sure she stays at with Logan she's she probably was going fucking through it she's because I'm devastated she probably thinks about it 24-7 I'm telling that's what I'm saying but like the people watching would have no real understanding of what that would be like they just because they're just a part of the throwing the shit or oh my God reacting whatever so it's so it's so much more than just that and the girl it's not like you went to a church and found a girl she's been in the industry forever of course she has pictures with men in the industry yeah like even

me if you look it up i'm sure i've pictures with you pictures with larry wheels like all of these and then you put the assumption behind it they have a picture together they've slept together like it's devious it's devious it's to me when i's terrible when i started to see because i i'm not going to lie at first i was like this shit's funny i'm not going to lie in the beginning i was like this is funny and then at some point i was like this is a lot that's when he should stop it's when it was funny to people he should have stopped it but that's so here's the other side of it it just became the whole fight was like him versus nina and then going to fight logan paul that's what it's hard to feel like yeah and then i was like wait a sec like where where where do we go from here

like is it and that's why i think the other side responds in this way and like fuck it just just fucking hammer it because now it seems like if this guy loses the fight or wins the fight it seems like he's fucked 100% almost like not forever but for a very long time dillon dylan like dylan like dylan's one no like dylan's fucked And then also at the same time, though, this is the interesting thing. Logan wins, obviously, after dealing with all this, whatever. I don't know what's going on in personal life, because I can't speak to any of that. But the fight is, like, I'm going to watch this fight literally because of how much bullshit.

I would have watched it anyways because I would watch Logan fight. But I think there's so many more people who are like so, so invested in it because that guy went a fucking miles and my own head. I hate to admit it, but I'm watching it because of how it came up to be and because I want to see Logan, like, destroy. No, for sure. Oh, no, no, no, no. So there is to say, Logan's making so much money. Yeah, I hope nobody out there is, no, but he would give it all, he would give it all back. He would give it all back.

He would give it all back. He would have, so that's the question. My question is, do you think knowing what he knows now at this moment, he would have not taken that fight? I don't think he would have taken the fight. I don't think you would. I don't think you. Bradley. Even, wow, even for the bag.

Bradley, if you were in that situation and you had a girl you care about, you would not, you would not have taken the fight. And by the way, I can say, with 100% certainty without any doubt, when he, looks and and and and has to feel partially responsible for how this has played out he he would not fucking take the fight bro. Damn. He has to he has to bro like like bro. Nobody wants to see nobody wants to see their significant other being being ridiculed like that bro.

You know what I'm saying? Like regardless of like how he feels about it and the shit that comes out of it between them like I mean dude like Dylan did it to me even on the tiniest fucking scale like he found pictures of the chick I'm talking to like dumbass like pictures of her at the club with like a dude with champagne bottles and like bro this girl's a fucking just a normal chick who like you know like you said everybody has these pictures he even and then so he posts these and everybody starts I didn't give a fuck but everybody starts retweeting the picture like you know Mike found another washed up ran through you know what I'm saying it's the narrative they put behind

a damn because they're 12 and so and so the the The issue is that wasn't enough for him. So Dylan started posting pictures that weren't even my girl as retweets with my picture of me and my girl, making believe that it was my girl. Just a random couple. And everybody was like, he got another one on him.

So it's just like fake stuff that, so like where I was on it was a little bit different than Logan. First of all, I'm immune to that shit, bro. You ain't going to come at me and tell me that the girl I'm talking who has bodies. Are you crazy? Yeah. Are you insane? I have one immunity in that in this life.

Yeah. You're the king of bear in the bodies. You ain't going to come at me and be like, oh, your girl got bodies. Homie. I've dated girls that got graveyards, bro. Like you're not going to come and post a picture of a chick with a fucking champagne, a dude with a champagne bottle next to my girl and I'm going to have like a reaction to it. Yeah.

So I'm laying in bed with her in fucking Newport Road Island after a wedding. We're cracking up about it. But she's got people texting her. This is the thing. People texting her from Miami. Personally. Like, yo, what's the deal with this? Were you fucking whatever this dude?

And she's like, bro, see, this is the shit. Yeah. That you deal with. That's also the difference is that it's that Logan is fucking probably like you immune to the shit. He's not. He's not. That's the difference because Logan's a, Logan's a, I'm a different beast, bro.

I came on the scene, said, yo, I'm an imperfect man. I make, I've made poor decision. I still do. I, you know, I enjoy, you know, very strange luxuries of this world and some fucked up stuff

and I've grown out of some stuff and I still don't always make great decisions. By the way, I used to smoke crack and I'm a felon and, you know, like, I want you to look at me and be like, yo, I know a homie like this in my hometown.

He's not a bad guy, but he's not, his head ain't perfect. You know what I'm saying? He's been there. Logan's not that. Yeah. Logan's not that.

Logan is, Logan is a global brand and so when you start to when you start to rock that ship with lies and deception and create a storyline that's that's not true and it affects the brand of his partner but also by the way kind of affects his brand yeah because you're calling his love into question and his decision making into question as to who he chooses as a partner so so it's it's just like I said it's just a very Complex situation. What I was going to say to that after that point, I mean, I think overall, though, it's probably safer to say he's a little more like immune to it.

Maybe not as much as you, but his girl is probably not at all because for sure. Because I, and this is no disrespect to Nina. I've never met her. I don't know her is that she, I didn't hear about her until all of this. So it's like for me, she's probably not really so, so in the space and to be in it in this space and this way right now is like it's, it's just like honestly. All things consider the way the internet is right now, it just seems like if you're getting hung out to dry now, overall in all industries on all social media platforms, people are the, it feels like the most like divisive and like vicious than they ever been. And I don't want to ever. And I came in today not with that vibe. And I feel like I'm promoting that type of activity because the topics we're talking about are superheeded. I didn't want to come to to Raw Talk today and and beyond this type of tip because I, because I'm, because I'm promoting that type of activity.

I come and I talk, I like to talk about shit for the audience that makes people try to feel goate about their lives and positive and, and that type of stuff. But, but to your point, but this is why it's important. This shit is, this shit is heavy right now. There's a lot of heavy stuff going on and I and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, that's what I'm saying. I kind of, that's what I'm saying. I kind of, let's, I fucking Brandon want to call me. But overall, I wanted to say that like, I'm trying to lead it into the next conversation is, is about just the state of the world right now, which obviously is some stuff we're going to talk about. But, but.

But overall, it seems like maybe it's the clip culture or like the clipping community or whatever it is, but the internet just seems like the most volatile, which I guess internet being also the world, then it's like ever been. No, it's not, it's never been close. And the messed up thing about it is like, and this is where like I want to take some accountability. Like I got to come here and talk about, I got to talk nicer, bro, more positive. And I have.

I respect everyone. I respect all these people. Okay. We're going to. Okay. So, okay. So it's Brennan. It's Brennan.

shop. So, so we saw the tweets. We saw the tweets. So what's good, man? I mean, caught off the little guy. I, I don't, I figured no one would see it. I don't know, man. And then it gets picked up all over. I mean, at the end of the day, I think he does have a case to sue. Well, he's not suing his girlfriend is. Yeah, Nina, Nina, yeah. But I'll see, like, if my wife was going to sue someone, I'm going to be part of it meaning yeah do it or don't do it i'm going to support her i don't i said that yeah she's going to dictate her decision based on that so he's still involved so when they're like you know he's not logan's not soon it's like yep but he's involved you could definitely make this go away so that's what i mean by saying he's involved i don't care about any of that what i care about

what i was saying is it's this youtube or boxing thing which i'm all for there's a lane for it and obviously people are listening do your thing and it's great and i support and i watch it and Logan's a buddy, Jake's a buddy, Dylan's a buddy, do your thing. But in that same kind of lane, what we don't want to have happen is people and fighters,

the young audience coming into fighting go, oh, if this guy crosses this line, we can sue them before the fight, that's okay. That sets the standard. I don't like that. I got it. Now, if Dylan does this after the fight, get his ass. But your reward is you get to punch this dude

in the face. That's what's great about fighting. So let's say you and I were going to fight each other and you start making put on my wife and my kids. Like me and you, me and you. Yeah, like if you and I were going to fight and you. I mean, I'm a little, I'm a 260 so that's going to be tough for you. You are 260. I'm like to turn the fight down. I don't want these problems. If you started coming from my life and kids. Then you're fighting me for sure. Yeah, that's my reward, dude. I get to punch you in the face. That's why we're doing this. We don't like each other. I'm going to punch you right in the freaking face. So you don't think, you don't think, you don't think a line was crossed with

the duration of which he did all the... Because I don't know how much he used... I do. I do think Dylan crossed the line. I think everyone does. Sue them after the fact. You do to sue before the fight is... I just...

That's what I don't like. It's doing it up to the buildup of the fight. You know what I'm saying? It's... It dampens the fight because if you... You know, it's like signing Chris Brown to do a music video for you and then you're pissed that he's dancing.

Like you signed Dylan Danist, the ultimate troll. He's trolling to the fullest John Dillon. There's truth to that. You're mad that he went too far. Well, dude, it's Dylan Dannis. Yeah, I mean, he had, that was his thing forever.

Anybody who knows Dylan, I like Dylan. He's always done, like he goes too far. That's his thing. So you jumped into that lane knowing this kid does this. And now you're upset because your wife is furious. Your fiancee's furious. Again, I don't like you that any of it's happening. If you're going to sue, wait to after the fight.

Whop his ass and then. that. I don't like Jake and him going, we're to garner his wages and he only makes $60,000. Like, okay, so what's the agenda here to ruin his life? Like, that's, that's not cool. The shot, Shaw, Shob, you got big mic here. What's up? What's up, brother? How you doing, man? Good. So, so I think we were talking earlier about just how complex this scenario is, but I think in, in, I'm not, and I'm not saying this is right, but strategically it was almost a decision of like how can I oh you want me to hold it like how can I level the potentially maybe how can I level the playing field a little bit right not only that but

I think maybe in Nina's mind she's saying to herself like yo if I the faster I get this lawsuit out the faster he's going to stop so like I think I think deep down dude the the the scenario is just so complex and we've been talking about it for the past like 20 minutes now that it's just really hard to put a one sentence answer on it, if that makes sense. I don't like any of it. I don't like any of it from either side. I think Logan should say, hey, we'll drop the lawsuit if you beat me.

Put the stakes into the fight. Get us interested in the fight. Because when they both sign up for this fight, the goal is to get as many eyeballs, make as much money as possible to fight each other. Cool. Add more stake to the fight. I could call him and ask him if he would be done.

I'll have my family drop the lawsuit if you can knock me out. I'm here. The only thing, the only thing I feel that's weird about that is it then puts the, it then appears to put the ball back in his court to make a decision on the lawsuit. That's not his lawsuit. You know what I'm saying? Like I call him right now and I ask him like, yo, would you, would you draw?

What do you care if you're Logan Paul in the number one goal? Well, because, no, because because you got to remember he's not dealing with a podcast co-host right now that's suing. He's dealing with his life partner, right? his fiance his blood and flesh his soul for the next you know his lifetime and so like to make a decision that based on a fight that's happening in five days that a million people watch that like he's going to make as much money as he makes in fucking a week of selling prime like in his eyes he's like dude i'm not going to do anything that could jeopardize the relationship with my fiance

i get it then yeah it's then we shouldn't have we shouldn't have made dylan danis the opponent well that's what we know yeah it's also that's i think where we all net it out That's also, yeah. That's my thing, then you step, you got the wrong dancing partner. Like, because for Dylan, with his background, very different than Logan, right? Dude, talk all the smack you want about Dylan, legit jiu-jitsu practitioner. Absolutely. I'm a different level of blackbell.

This dude, four-time world champion, Marcelo Garcia, doesn't get more decorated. So his background's a little different. Logan, and I know they tried during the sit-down, the one-on-one, like poking at his jih Tzu, that doesn't work. That's not a good narrative. So for Dylan, if you're sitting down and he's like, all right, I got to sell this thing. Everybody's talking about KSI, Tommy Fury. What can I go after?

Not WWE. That's not going to work. He can't go after his prime. He's crushing it. It's worth of a gigillion dollars. All right. He has this new fiancee that's very famous. She's a public figure.

And I don't think, you know, I don't think he's hacking into her phone or anything like that. I know there's those rumors out there. So for Dylan, he's like, I'm going to go this. angle the only issue is it's like you you went too far like she's an innocent bystander yeah but also for her for nina for her you it's like being it's like being married to mike tyson you're mad that you find out you used to fight you know what i'm saying it's like you signed up like a little bit like you signed up for this that's like marrying george cluny be like i can't believe you're on the movie sets all the time yeah i get it okay all right cool i appreciate it yeah but i love

Logan love Jake Mike you're the man you Bradley know I love you I love you bro all this I just I wish none of this happened you got to went too far on both sides yeah well hey if nothing else we're all excited about Saturday night bro yeah I'm so hype man and that's what I'm so high just just punch each other in the face then then and then say if you beat me no lawsuit dude we're going we're going we're going okay thank you thank you bro hi bro hi bro please don't worry you're the man too thank you yeah you're the fucking wow okay Okay, you're helping on the sneako band.

No, I'm kidding. No, I had to fucking light in the moon. Holy shit. Okay, so, okay, I'm sorry we had to do that, Mike, because I know it was good. No, that was good. No, that was good. Because that's another thing I don't want, I don't want anybody to ever think that I, because at the end of the day, Logan's my friend, but like the idea that I can't,

we can't talk about him in the ecosystem that is creator and boxing and the world is stupid too. I want to be able to comment on it. Also, I got to make sure that they know, too, because they like to take my shit sideways. It's like, I'm also helping promoting the fucking thing too, you mother for. 100% because like I talk he's watching this shit and I'm on the pre show which is crazy because I'm going to be standing there like because I want to see that's crazy I want to see this shit wait can we watch it together yeah why don't you just come bro let's kind of let's get past that topic now and go into just a little bit more kind of conversation I want to have with you about just just the fucking world right now right I I feel like this this Twitter internet this drama war all this this stuff is never going to end. I feel like this is a cycle of, there's just a cycle in the world of if it's not this, it's this. If it's not that, it's that. And it's, it's crazy because

right now we're talking about what's happening in the world. And it's like people's literal lives are just being like destroyed. People are literally dying. And I just feel like, obviously I'm, I'm in a, like a different position because I can't speak directly on these things because I don't, I don't live in a world where I'm able to identify as, as this, as that, right? I'm way over here on the outside and I'm looking at it and I just can't help but feel like do we ever because I tweeted this do we ever find a piece in our place in history where like people are just like peaceful I feel like it's a constant turmoil it's a constant like gathering of either power or this this viewpoint versus that viewpoint it I feel like we're corruption I think

there's corruption it's like it's like there's so much shit that's tied up into this and it's like yo this side's doing that that side saying this and it's just this constant conflict and I just feel like if it's not this it's something else if it's not something else it's something else and it's just we're just in this cycle of like what's the use of it is it I think we talk about this

lightly every time I come on the show and just to nail it home once again it really just comes down to lack of empathy for lack of ability to understand the suffering of another human and that that I idea can be applied across the board for every single thing you just talked about.

Yeah. For left versus right politics in America, for social media, Dylan Dennis versus Nina, for Israel versus Palestine. Yeah. The idea that people are unable to remove themselves from their emotions, from their anger, from their jealousy, from their hatred for a second and say, what is that other person feeling? Yeah. What are my words and my actions doing to that other person's life?

And how would I feel if that was happening to me? And not only making that observation, but then adjusting your actions to mirror what it would like to be that, what it would be like to be that person, the golden rule, treat others how you would want to be treated. That rule is so overlooked in today's society. And we've talked about the first two, but this. This situation that's going on in Gaza right now is, is horrendous, is horrendous. And talk about complexities, talk about multiple facets and ways to understand a situation. A hundred plus year war. Just a terrible, terrible situation.

Yeah. Where unfortunately, the decisions that have been made by a small, group of men seeking power are affecting a mass of civilian women, children, boys, population. And that is what war is. War is a mass suffering of people who have no power to gain at the hands of a select few trying to gain power. and it is the most destructive force that we have in this world disgusting disgusting fucking thing and the past week i had i had i have just been in tel Aviv i was there two months ago yeah i

remember wonderful fucking people wonderful population of people strong israeli people i also met with palestinian people i met with arabs i met with jews i met with people of all walks of life all incredible all with their own story all with their own powers their own struggles just like everyone here and to watch this happening right now in the streets where i just was where taav was one of my best friends in the world was there one week ago his cousins were taken hostage at that rave they're still in gaza and palestine controlled gaza his cousins blood flesh real fucking connection yeah and to and to watch this happen over the past week has been has been disgusting the question is like that i have when i look at it you think about all the other stuff

and i don't know how deep into conspiracy type theory stuff you go into but like you see the money from from the u.s given to iran and then that like is that what was backing these like groups and well that well that thing's weird too because because there's corruption is real 100%. Conspiracy is real. The CIA and their and their coups and their and their manipulation is real. So I get all that and there's been a lot of questions about how Mossad and CIA miss this because Mossad is one of the most powerful intelligence organizations on the planet.

Hands down, yeah. They are, they are fucking, they see the future. Israel is different. No, different. So the idea that this was just missed completely is mind-blowing to me, especially on the anniversary of a Yom Kippur war. where they've seen this happen in the past. So yes, I understand all those factors

and I get all that. But then also there's a lot of disinformation. There's a lot of misinformation. The idea that $6 billion was given to Iran, that is not the case. There were $6 billion in oil assets that were frozen, that were unfrozen in a trade deal with the United States.

I'm not claiming that that was the right move or anything. I don't know what that looks like behind the scenes. But let's at least talk about the facts. Yeah. That money was unfrozen to be used specifically for certain aspects of Iranian government feeding people, so on and so far. Now, here's where it gets difficult. Say they now know that they can feed their people with that $6 billion of unrose frozen oil assets.

They can now unfreeze another $6 billion from their their coffers that they were going to use to feed their people and buy rockets with it. Right. So I, I, I, listen. I know there's a lot of people out there who think I'm stupid There's a lot of people out there who think I'm really dumb and I talk a lot and I don't know what I'm talking about But I truly truly truly study this shit Yeah and I try to really understand the geopolitical theater and and and as much as I can and I'm not perfect I'm sure I'll say things from time to time that are completely incorrect forgive me for that

But but there's so much at play here and there's so much anger and hatred on both sides and at the end of the day I just don't understand what a solution looks like I know that's the difficult part that's the craziest thing and it's but it's fucked man because when you really think about it like everything you said earlier like the people's lives who are being destroyed are not the people who have the most to gain in these situations like all war in general like is not innocent people yeah it's innocent people who are who are being basically essentially slaughtered. It's crazy. I just don't know of a real passage in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, or any book that is saying, yo, go extrajudiciously murder children. No, none.

There cannot be a fucking single verse that applauds or encourages that type of behavior. So to fall back on it as a religious approach to me is, is, is Haram. That seems like Haram to me. To claim that any God would want you to go kill and murder and sexually abuse people. That seems to me like the craziest thing I've ever fucking heard. So I'm fucking heated up today. And I apologize. But I have a connection to people who have been taken hostage, at least lightly. And it's mind-blowing to me to watch this fucking happen.

It's fucking terrible, man. But let's switch a little bit. Still in a relationship, but not as deep here. No, no, no. So the other components. which is obviously not it's not as close to what's happening there it's a little bit on the external but it's the reactions that you get from like just people who have nothing to do with it nothing really good to say about on the internet quote unquote picking sides and like this whole

like defense of this versus that it's just like adding this extra layer of like me i can't go on there be like yo this or yo that's like i don't know enough i'm not in it i'm not a part of that culture i can't speak on these people's like actual real deep deep kind of like connections to the land to the religion to all this where they feel the need to even get to that level like I can't speak on it and I see other creators or other people will say things about what people are saying if you're fucking arguing

and it's like yeah Kylie Kylie posts and it's just like I just like just if you can't if you can't anything good to that and I think overall the conversation we just had I think is like probably about as far as good as you can get unless we have like a professional from someone from both of those sides

which I love and that'd be so cool that would be so cool amazing to sit down with us someone from the Israeli side and and those people do I have access on the Israeli side at least I don't have a ton of connections on the because that that's the one thing I want anybody watching the segment to take out is like please educate me please educate me as much as possible please message me on Instagram message me however you can and and let me know where I was wrong because because I hope that you see going back to the beginning of this conversation that all of this is coming from a place of empathy that I learned through struggling and heartbreak in life and I want

all of these people mothers children brothers sisters to live in peace the i hate the idea that hate exists in this world it seems so rudimentary and so so juvenile to me that that humans hate each other and we're all all we got we're all we got bro this is all we have is each other bro to fix all of these problems and instead of fixing them together we're killing each other that's so stupid and as a as a as a hyper advanced intelligent intellectual society that's talking about AI and technology and Twitter and all of these things the idea that we still can't get along with each other is crazy to me bro and and there's nothing sadder than that bro it's just so sad to me that that there's still

our people dying every day because we can't look across a border and say that's my brother regardless of their belief set and I want to kill them that person that's so sad to me bro yeah that's so sad to me and so frustrating and just upsetting to me even sitting here in america from the sanctity of this of this perceived safehood yeah i mean it's it's i'd love to sit and have conversations with with people who are like really in it you know to try to understand because i can't i just it's something i just wanted to try to discuss with you because at the end of the day like i i agree with you on a sentiment of in in this in war in general no one really wins like it's all just a perceived win but it's like I don't think people on both

sides like genuinely enjoy having to kill and murder other people I don't think it's like a it's like a good thing for anyone in the long run and the effects of it it's just you're just you're breaking homes you're breaking families it's just it's fucking terrible and you're creating future waves and future generations of angry same hatred same cycle you know that have that and that's what we're dealing with you know and it's it's like it's like you look at these you look at these people who are claimed to be strong leaders and they say oh he was a strong leader because of how how incredible his military tactics was and how much land he was able to grab now fuck that to me a strong leader is the one that's able to de-escalate and to and to create peaceful resolution so that we as a species can continue to advance and and and evolve I don't look at fucking you know people who fucking went and land and murdered as powerful people. I look at them as cowards.

Yeah. The crazy thing is, I mean, everything's come down to this. This is just taking of something because you can because of power because of, like, for example, the Americas. It's like it came with the guns and the power and the diseases and everything. Like we talked earlier. And you take, and before that, I mean, they lived in a little bit probably more symbiotic, like relationships with themselves, the land and everything and the way it worked

and, you know, different communities or, you know, different sort of like tribes or wherever you want to call it. but it seems like it's it always it always seems to be like people with the more power the more I don't know desire for power is like it's just continually taking like does that the question is does that ever stop like that's just kind of human nature I mean it's also just tough to like talk about it from the I'm not in relationship to this topic I'm just talking about in general it's like humans are it's like baked into human nature of like getting more taking more like succeeding more having more like whatever at any cost like in all industries and all facets of life and

relation in everything it's like a power struggle it's the same reason why we have conversations about men and women and women are this and men are that it's like it's all this like measuring of who is better who who should be here who should be there and that's the thing that I find so interesting because like I'm genuinely curious can humans really be peaceful or is it just baked into us in our DNA that that's not a like that's not a possibility like in animals Like it's a, you know, survival of the fittest is what it's all about. And I think it comes down to that. But it's interesting because we've advanced so far that you think that because of all the money and all the accessibility and all the technology and all the stuff, it's like, how are we not able to find some sort of balance?

Yeah, balance. Yeah. That's what I'm so confused with. And is that do we ever get there? Like, do we have to be on fucking Mars to get there? I just think that at the end of the day that it comes down to people and their unique individual pursuits of life. life like like I think to myself like just as I was digesting what you were just saying like would I ever given the opportunity want dramatically more more more more more I'm currently trying to downsize in my life I want less yeah I want less land I want less responsibility I want more connection to this earth I want more connection to my brothers and sisters I want more conversation more exploration more evolution more high level thinking and I get mad at myself and and ashamed of myself having taken brand

deal brand deal shit content unevolved content lack of direction to me I look back to myself and I say what why have I been doing this bro there's so much more out there for us to explore right and so I I think like if someone said to me like yo bro like what if tomorrow you can go and take your neighbors land and it would be completely you can go have I don't want it I don't want it I have enough responsibility and enough things to worry about you know what I'm saying I so so like I think at the end of the day there's like conquerors and then there's and then there's and then there's like explorers there's philosophers there's just so many a lot of it comes

down to I do a lot of study on philosophy and a lot of study on on personality types and Carl Jung and and there's just different types of people yeah and at the end of the day it really comes down to like what we as as individuals want for ourselves and the unfortunate fact of the matter is you and you don't want the same things as me and and you guys are probably great at empathizing with what I want and us working together but that's not how everybody is yeah well then it also comes down to like timelines in people's lives like where you learn because you know earlier we've been talking about how you saw yourself in relationship to con just in a smaller scale it's not this grandiose scale like war in depth but knowing what you want and

how you wanted to be perceived was completely different than where you are now and how you're kind of moving now, the kind of concier making it. So it goes, I'm not even making it yet. I'm here making it with you. Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying, I'm still, I'm still doing my best to escape the garbage that I, it's, it's, it's not garbage, but it's not on a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's entertainment, like, you can watch it. I can eat food and show you that stuff. But see how it's all from perspective, right? It's all from like where you are now and what you know now. So it's interesting when you look at these situations of people who are like in this like despair or like communities that are like trying to fight to get through to get out whatever you want to call it like

they only know that that's it and that's why they have to fight to get out because that's where they are so it's like you just it's like people who have this and then they maybe they're like oh when i was here and i was fighting to get out like i did some things that i didn't necessarily need to to get out but i did and like i wouldn't do those things again but it's like now you're already out you know what that's called perspective yeah and so and so that's what i'm saying the most potentially other than empathy and it's it's almost they work together in tandem one of the most important that you get out of this life, which is one of the reasons why I am so directed and and pointed about how I address the current streaming audience of children who have no

perspective. I the the the the Red Pill community and that guru community that's telling everyone how they have to live their life based on their their understanding of life is so flawed in that these people who are preaching have never lived life. Tate excluded. I said it. He's been through the ringer. He's buried his parents. He's been to prison. He's had to deal with a massive global public outrage. Like he's, he's been through it to be able to speak from a level of perspective and empathy and learning. And I'm sure he's changing and humbling as he goes on in life. But, but other than that, you've got a group of creators who are just regurgitating other people's way to live who have never really touched the stove and don't

know what it feels like to have the stove singe into your, your flesh and what that feels like. They're just regurgitating a message to their audience who's 14 years old. And now that 14 year old audience is also not going to touch the stove. So everything I have right now, the reason I'm able to sit here and talk to you guys from this perspective is because I made those mistakes personally. Yeah. I learned those lessons through blood, literally on the streets, have the scars to prove it all over my body, lost organs, gone, metal rod. everywhere up and down my fucking body fractured skulls everything that I have is a result of what I went through and learned in the hard way now you're going to have a fucking generation

of pussies who grew up on regurgitated nonsense from some red pill community who's who's 20 years old and has never done shit in their own lives and you're going to have this fucking this once again fucked up situation of lack of perspective and lack of empathy so across the board whether it's warn tornations or social media children growing up without having lived and culturally understand the landscape, you're seeing it across the board. So, so it's, it's a fucking disaster. Yeah. And it's just, and it's just getting worse. It's getting faster, man. I've noticed that because I've been doing this for how many fucking years. I noticed the speed of it. It's just like increasing every year. If not like every six months, it's like getting crazier and

crazier. Like genuinely. So I'm wondering like, what at what point is critical mass when it's like, this is really a fucking problem. Right now? right now it's been it's been a problem what what's your preside because we were no i love this i feel like i'm watching your podcast yeah yeah yeah i love i love talking to my i love you guys together yeah yeah so you're obviously younger where's your perspective sit on this you don't got to hit all the topics but just in general um well i'll just hit on the last topic you guys were just talking about but i think it is really bad especially seeing some of the streaming um and or being involved in it that the message you put out to whatever your that 100 000 congruent viewers

or whatever it is. And I was telling you about this Bradley this morning on the phone that those like 12-year-olds or 14-year-olds or even 18-year-olds pick up on everything you say and implement that into their lives. So basically what you were just saying, I'm sure those kids all have their own experiences as well and their own hardships or going through it or whatever. But the stuff they're fed through social media,

I'm sure they go to school and they reciprocate those same things, those same ideologies or the same sayings they hear on stream or whatever to their friends or to someone of a different race or a different religion or something at school or you know or at a grocery store or whatever so i think it is toxic to some extent i completely agree and i i was telling him on the phone this morning that these i feel like kids to some extent are corrupt because they're little kids like i was when i was with them i saw like little like young kids going up to them why who why have did you have you ever seen an like a grown adult go up to him have you ever seen anyone over the age of 23

go up to to any of the streamers no it was mostly mostly or all have you ever seen someone over the age of 23 or 21 go up to any of the streamers in your mind in my mind like yo would you want to go get a drink after this or go to the club like has that ever happened no because they are quite literally simply indoctrinating a youthful audience of people who are willing to watch seven hours of talk talk like and I've no problem with the content but I'm 38 years old I made a tweet that got blown up and talked about and everybody talked about it because I said that when the Sneco video dropped of those little kids saying we hate trans or whatever it was fuck the gays fuck the gays remember that video dropped

yeah yeah and in it to an extent he said they're just kids being kids and I get that because I was a little shit myself I'm not going to lie right but I retweeted it and I said because he had tweeted let's call a duty modern warfare lobby no we're crazy for sure kids me and kids I get that I get that and and and also to Sneko's to Sneko's defense he he did right set them to an extent in the video like you said like nah no no we're not doing all that yeah but it brought up a more macro point leaves Niko out of it where I commented something on the video he then responded you know you promote part of your audience which obviously isn't the case I hang out with girls but I don't promote the active

industry or any of that stuff and in my in my mind I believe that the I tweeted that I believe that the promotion of hate towards any group far exceeds the the demons of promoting porn if I even was promoting yeah I don't promote I don't promote porn but if I was that the idea that you are encouraging kids to hate like we just talked about to hate other humans based on their sexual preferences, their sexual identity, gender, whatever you want to call it, whether you agree with that stuff or not, but to hate other people is far more dangerous than the trickle-down effects of porn on relationships, marriages, and so on and so forth in the future. Yeah, streamers aside, anyone with influence on anyone else, I just don't think should be

promoting that kind of hate, like any type of hate. It's brand new. It's a, 100% agreed. This never would have, this never would have flew three, four years ago. this is all the result of of a this part's interesting and and potentially the most complex of all of this new free speech conversation that continues to evolve yeah but it's tough man because like there's a whole other side that's like you know has been touted and and yelled about for quite some time that people feel like partly they're they're not they're not I wouldn't say necessarily just

going against but also trying to speak out on fuck the woke left clip me clip me that's what I'm saying it yeah because I'm saying it bro fuck that shit like when I got to go

and I and I have an asterisk that I have to fill out my pronouns on my psychological exam form and I call my mom and I say I'm mom to be honest who she's in her in her 60s I'm I'm relatively libertarian middle of the road see both sides but I don't really fuck I don't

want to fill this shit out yeah and my mom says write down that you're toast you identify as toast buttery to they look at it are the generation above us looks at it as fucking as stupid as we should look at I get that I understand that shit I I'm with y'all I'm with y'all that that that shit is dumb bro like the it's gone to extremes with it's gone to extreme with the with the child indoctrination about sex in school at 12 years old and what your gender is at 6. Fuck that. I'm with y'all.

But the idea that once again, back to reaction, just like we just talked about with the conflict. You're going to go fight that scenario with pure hatred. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem. And that's the thing.

So it's all about how do you have that conversation without it? This is the fuck to think about it all. If we talk about kids, right? The same way people are over here defending the kids is then is it just in defense of the kids in the way where we're now just making the kids feel like they need to explicitly hate someone.

That can't be okay. Right, right. None of us should be saying that that's okay. Like, don't call me an old head because I'm watching neon stream. I did a fucking video with neon. I went on with my girl with my chick, very in a very nice way.

And, you know, the first thing he's saying, I put my girl on the phone, the first thing he's saying is like, why are you with this fucking heroin addict, fucking old loser? And then she's on the phone and he's calling her flat. chest and ugly and all the shit like bro is that what we're on and and i get i see the snickering i

get the laughing because because the reason it works for neon is because it's this is the weird part for neon it works because this is like the the nerd of nerds like that's why it works like there's no bigger example of nerd it's not like brad it's not like brad right if you did it no one would be cool with it but the fact that he's willing with his you know his glasses and it's fucking you know like so funny man he's so funny it's so funny it's it's a good bit for a little bit I get it it like obviously like I I hope to aspire to a little bit of elevated humor but like dude like at the same time like you know Adam Sandler was fucking yeah happy Gilmore like putting people's you know putting dog shit on people's doorsteps and lightning on final we were cracking up at our age

watching yeah so it so like yo I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hate on what homie's doing or say that that it's it's not or or or get like super old head adult and be like yo that's not okay but like do i think that it's super beneficial for the youth to be ingesting large amounts of just straight hatred towards other people because we watch it we think it's funny but like when they watch it there's a group of those kids that are like yo this is real this is real i can get behind this anti-gay message i can get behind this anti you know this i can get behind this racist message We laugh at it because in our hearts, we don't believe that, like, it's true. We laugh at it.

We even say, like, oh, they probably don't believe it either. It's just, like, comedy. It's the name of the game. It's social media, whatever. But then the 14-year-old kids, that's my worry is like the children. Yeah, that's what the whole thing's about. That's what this whole thing's about. And they can always call me out and say, like, bro, you're no pedestal of righteousness.

I can look back at my career and say that I wasn't always perfect. but I also came out the gate like I said this was this was the difference this was the difference with me and this is important I came out the gate with a message of this is how I ruined my life all right guys quick and rush for the podcast check this out ship station okay ship station is basically a service to connect your guys's back end for any sort of like e-commerce web business selling stuff you basically what you're doing is it's connecting your platform like a Shopify and it's helping you send like the mailing, packing, ship everything, so it makes it super seamless for you to get your products to your customers. It's really easy. They've got great

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60 day trial let's get back into this podcast this is how i absolutely ruined my life and by the way sex addiction can do that to you too and these things can do that to you and this industry is disgusting and all this stuff. It wasn't like I came out and said, y'all, I'm gonna go, I'm smoking crack is dope or made jokes about smoking crack but didn't talk about the dangers of it. I said, yo, I almost died.

I almost lost my life. And I crawled back from it. So the thing that Sneco did, which I saw him in that video was when he starts to see it become an issue, y'all got to right size that shit. You got to put a fucking damper on that shit and be like, bro, I want y'all all to know this is jokes.

call of duty modern warfare lobbies okay back when i was how old 20 and in in past right 16 17 younger i experience the same sort of people said the most hateful things to each other yep i didn't wake up and 10 years later fucking perform hate crimes question who was telling you to that that was okay no one no one you were doing it because other people were doing it you were kind of picking up a little here, a little there. We now live in a generation where there's a dude on a pedestal, on a screen for seven hours at a time programming into these kids. Not just a person on Xbox live, not just a person who you're about to play fucking

rust with, okay? Russ was such a good game, such a good madman. Fired. A person who has built a career who has a Lambo who flies on a G5 because of the hate that they're pursuing. So if you think that they're not going to, in their youthful juvenile mind, say,

oh, if I promote this same type of hatred, I can get what he has is, to me is crazy. And this isn't, neon and Sneco and even Tate are not to blame for this. This is a, this is a wave that started long before them.

And, and I don't want to fucking, I don't want to say it there's two people to blame actually and you're it's the fucking left because they went too far and they and they told everybody

too much shit that they had to do and they pushed people around for too long and the and the creation that came out of that was Donald Trump and they created Donald Trump and I'm not and I'm not pointing fingers blaming none of that shit fuck all that he was would you guys agree with

Donald Trump was the antithesis of the woke left. He was the sworn enemy of the woke left. Yes or no, correct. Okay, just fact. Not me saying Trump bad left, none of that. He became over popular, became the figurehead for the right and for progress against the left. And it created the wave that we are now seeing. That's not me pointing a finger.

That's not me saying bad man, bad man. I'm not doing that. But what I'm saying was he was, he kind of is the person that started the revolution against the left, which now has trickled down into what we're seeing now. Yeah. And that's just a, that's just a history lesson. That's not me blaming anyone once again. But, but it's not their fault. They're just, I mean, similarly to what we just talked about, they're just picking up on other people's shit.

Yeah, which is, it's just the interesting thing about the human nature of just the perspective thing that we're talking about, which is like someone knows so much to this degree with their life. what they can teach and give to what the knowledge that they've gone through. Like, you could stand from a perspective from all the things you've been through to say, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad. And there's other people who sit and they'll be like, this is bad. Nah, fuck that shit. Even though maybe five years from now, they're like, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe I shouldn't have done that.

But they're still at this point now because people are gathering so much more notoriety, so much quicker because of social media, because of the accessibility, that they're able to get on a platform, 19 years old, 20 year olds, whatever, and say, fuck this shit in five years. They may be like, yeah, maybe I didn't have. agree with that, but maybe that wasn't the right thing to say necessarily. They're all going to, oh, they're all going to have that. So it's an interesting thing because like, we talk about Donald Trump.

I love Donald Trump. But the point is like, it's interesting how he did, he did probably spawn everything else that came below that as far as like everything on that side and feeling like maybe justified in saying this or that or whatever, but without the perspective that that person might have. A thousand percent. And also like, I'm not, I'm, my views on like each individual player in the political hemisphere changes all the time to like, like, dude, we, we.

We had some better stuff with Trump, for sure. We might have had some worse stuff. Like, like, some people will say they would have felt much more, much more secure with, with, you know, Trump in office right now with the conflict going on in the Middle East. Some people would say he's a little bit of a hothead and we don't want him at the button when Iran's got their hand on theirs or whatever. Everybody has a different viewpoint. And honestly, like, he wasn't the only one either.

I mean, you look at people like Crowder. You look at people like, these people are, these people are very, the rhetoric is is intense bro and and very active too you know what i'm saying and so like here here's like the final note on it if if if if we could look at every person i bet you the raw talk audience is very smart a lot of them are because they they see through the nuance when i come on the show yeah they see that i'm i'm i'm trying to present every view i could see in the comments too they're they're fucking you have a very smart audience very smart audience so they'll understand this. But one of the other issues we face from a content perspective right now these

days is the assumption by content creators that every person who ingests their content is as intelligently receiving of that content as they are delivering it. Yeah, it's not true. It's simply not true. And that doesn't stop at the fact that it's only 14 to 16 year olds watching Aiden and Sneco and all these people. That exists for us too. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, and Crowder also and Shapiro and everybody that that talks about this stuff they're all weaving very very intricate fragile complex storylines to unfortunately I hate to say some semblance of people who are running sub 80 IQs and they're going to take the most simplest message from that like even going back to J6 like everybody's going to say what they want about it but like but like

who knows who really told them to go do that or how many of those people really were just so dumb that the message they got was let's go fucking storm this shit yeah it's it's there's a we almost have a responsibility as creators to understand that a certain percentage of our audience is not is not as mentally capable of so so in that to receive the message in that situation then then how do you I mean this obviously I think you've done a fucking honestly a master class right now of trying to to be as balanced as possible. So then for other creators who are out there trying to make content or maybe some of the people you spoke about like what could someone do better in order to like deliver their message without making it divisive because that's what it comes down to. The masterclass that I try to bring is is one in de-escalation. Okay. And unfortunately the way that the internet and media is set up escalation is the route to success.

People don't want to see a scenario de-escalation. escalate they're not going to watch that no one wants to be like oh the the the the retweet percentage or the engagement on Twitter for a realistic longing longing longing piece in the middle east would be one percent yeah would be one percent of the of the fucking landslide snowball effect that is violence in the middle east we once again back to us as people so no one wants to No one gives a shit about my de-escalation tactics. I've wanted to write about it in my second book,

but like if you're really smart, if you're really intelligent, you understand the power of de-escalation and balance, then you want to hear about it. But people are much more interested in 48 laws of power. Stomp your enemy out until every ember of their being is gone. That's what people want to hear about. And that's the unfortunate part of the situation.

I get called a fence sitter. I get called a fence sitter. I get called a, you know, this ambiguous, you know, yes man who can't, you know, who doesn't want to upset anyone. That's not that, that, that, unfortunately, that's not the fact of the matter. The fact of the matter is I'm, I'm not to pat myself or to a horn, but I'm so elevated out of, out of finger pointing and he bad, me good, you bad. Yeah.

I'm so elevated out of this that I'm trying to de-escalate situations by seeing your point. your point, Sneko's point, Neon's point, everybody's point and saying, okay, this is me in the middle. How are we all coming here? Because this is where we win as a species. Now the question becomes, do you want to win? Do you want to win or do you want to solve the win? That's the question. Yeah. And unfortunately, the fucking real answer is everybody is out for themselves. Yeah. That's the fucking real answer. I mean, I've experienced that so many ways, just in my own way in this industry and social media fitness shit dude like i've had so many experiences with like you think that because you're in a situation where i'm winning he's winning it's just like

we would keep doing that but it's almost like people get okay you're winning i want more i want to take from what you have i want to fill my pot up more like i've i've dealt with that bro on a business level i've dealt with that so many times i've been taking advantage of so many fucking and i've talked about this before but never really in detail um and it's just kind of like i recently made a video about it talking about it. And I should have said this story two years ago, but I didn't because I was just thinking like, you know, I'll just ride this out, let this go. But the problem in it that I've realized looking back now is like if you don't come and check the narrative of someone else, like it kind of reminds me of this whole like Nina, Logan, Dylan, Dillon Dennis thing.

If you're not checking that narrative, then like the narrative will just be played without any sort of input and it'll just be to your detriment. Well, that's always going to be. That's always going to be the question because. That was one of my biggest mistakes We're not speaking out. It might not have been because I take this from someone who exists in a camp where a response is generally looked at as an L. Like you look at Logan's public responses to this,

Dylan Dennis has put out 650,000 tweets. Logan's put out 12. Because when you are playing with people who are generally most of the time smaller than you, a response to those people manager jeff because of unfortunately what happened with crypto zoo and his and and and how that storyline has played out

has gotten a bad shake i call that man immediately when i have a problem that dude is that dude is dialed mentally in the world in human existence not the world he really understands existence and what to worry about what not to worry about i call in when i'm going through it yeah and he will be he will be uh cleared once that whole crypto zoo thing plays out this story is going to look dramatically fucking different and i think it's going to be very soon he told me have they been working on that it's being worked on it's being worked on the

the the the the narrative once again to your point with this one going unchecked yeah you have school you're gonna get out here she's got school sorry yeah you almost almost school kill it on that presentation it was good meeting you today honestly new episode oh the tomorrow or something no good yeah you too do you see that handshake who yeah so so so so so that that narrative that uh that that that there there is no um payback payback and that there's not going to be a resolution is wrong just going to say that just I'm just going to say I and keep in mind uninvolved party and that's probably why I can even say what I'm saying like

never had any involvement blah blah so I can say what I'm saying about it right yeah that shit will play out and everything will look different that's all I'm gonna say right manager Jeff told me a long time ago all of this back and forth this content shit is it is a tennis match when someone says something about you something negative calls you this calls you that they're hitting the ball over the net you can react right size the conversation fix the dialogue you know steer it in the right direction but what you're doing is you're hitting the ball back to them so guess what's going to happen they're going to hit the ball again and that conversation's going to continue the only time the

conversation stops especially when you're dealing with a smaller creator is when you don't hit the ball back so when they when they drive a narrative their audience has a fucking uproar it dies down and you just let the ball go into the fucking net yeah it sucks a little bit because that little audience right there thinks to themselves we got them this is what really happened but every time you respond you expose your entire audience to the messaging of them to their messaging to their to their side so now you're you're indoctrinating even more of your audience to their to their side so now you're indoctrinating even more of your audience to their to their side I said it on a podcast before on this show, and I'll say it again. A wise man told me don't argue with fools because people from a distance can tell who is who. Every time you argue with someone who you know is fucking stupid

and their narrative is wrong, you appear stupid and wrong. Because you're sitting there and people are watching from 30,000 feet saying, look at these idiots arguing with each other. But there are some things that need to be addressed. A thousand percent. You know, and for me in that situation specifically,

I let it go for too long. where I just let like because I saw a narrative and I watched it and I you could see people talking about it you could see the other creators keep in this in this in that small space and like it was just a big space but a small enough space where people can just like I could talk about Bradley and get this and get that and it's just this narrative spun about me me as my brand and me as a person without really knowing the true story in that video which and in that video it wasn't like a it was no tennis it was like hey these are the facts these are the screenshots this is how I was used in 2015 right I've never talked about this I'm finally telling this. I'm finally telling me that. the truth and people's response was like what the fuck yeah like you just you and i also open i also opened and invited open dialogue with the owners to come and sit here on a live stream and explain they're definitely not they wouldn't do that because they couldn't sit here and sit across from me and explain to me why they took my customer list the answer is a we don't know how that happened we don't know that's the answer i got when i asked them personally we don't know yeah you you body you body them yeah you there's nothing to say to that there's no conversation to be had that they couldn't they couldn't look like

They've done something illegal in the wrong to leverage to benefit themselves in their brand, which they did over the years, nine years, working with them for 2050. So my problem was, though, the way it works on the Internet, specifically in this, this, like, this, I don't know, kind of like a niche culture, fitness spaces. Like people just run the narrative because it's benefiting them with views, with calling out. And then as soon as I made that video, not a single one of those people who ran their mouth about me two years prior said a word about it. Yeah, I guess if you have, I guess if you have the receipts, yeah, no, no, but I guess that's what I'm saying. Like, if you really, if you really have, it's like, it's like, what do they

say like if you're going to, if you're going to shoot, make sure you hit your shot, right? Like, like, like, if you're going to, if you have your, if you have your shit ready and you can shut a narrative down like that, that's different. But I bet you, but I bet you there's still some people who watch your video and we're like, this is wrong like damn very few very few my problem was this is what happened two you like basically pretty much a year and a half two years prior i filmed two videos about the same topic but i was way more upset because i was so much more like yo i can't believe these people that were basically like started from nothing with me out of a small little hole in the wall

canoga park where they're reselling converse and sports memorabilia on amazon leverage me for all those years to fucking switch logos around switch logos around switch logos around, build their brand, sell through my Facebook page, download my customer list. I plugged in all these other creators along. This is back through my whole come-up. Plugged in all these like other creators in the same exact space, making the same exact products, switching logos around,

seeing what sells here, seeing does it sell better there? Oh, if this sells really good, then we'll sell that and no one else will sell that and knowing the data, the customer information, taking all of that. I knew that was happening. I built a secondary company with them where I was plugging people in. We started off 50-50, 50-50. And once it starts making money, Those two brothers said, we don't think it's fair.

It should be 33, 33, you know what I'm saying? So I let them have that as well. I gave so much these people being able to order so many units, being able to know what sells versus what doesn't sell. Being able to plug in all these other people that are creatives that are making products. Like my buddy Mike, he makes products. Like he's a genius creative, right? Where he's drawing how he wants these garments to look. He makes them.

They make the same product. They just put a different logo on it. They switch the logo here and put it there. I asked him myself personally, I said, did they pay you to do that? because I know that's your product and he said no and I'm literally looking at like so they just did the same thing to you it's like Julian Smith they're just not good they're just not good they did it to everyone and then the problem with it was then on the outside with their athletes they let people just run their mouth about me on social on stories and talk about how

I'm this and I'm that I'm just bad person but it's like you're just you're trying to cloud the judgment of this audience because you are the ones who have been doing dirt from the beginning yeah they're projected and I and the problem the thing that got me fucked up was I never said a single word about this for years knowing what was happening because I figured like you know what they're they're they're succeeding I'm succeeding I'm not going to make it a problem until it came to the point when we split and then I start to look in all the details and I start to look at oh there's my customer list and I start to look at oh they're letting all these athletes just fucking slammed me around the same time knowing the

transition process how it's all going and it's just like I I was just honestly so hurt that I was Like, I can't believe that people that I came with, we came from the ground up together. You using me leveraging this? Like, it wasn't like they were selling thousands of units before they met me. I was coming in a thousand. They're doing 200, 300, 300, a 500. Isn't that crazy how we're doing? I'm doing 1,200.

They're doing 200. Like, I was bigger the whole time. So their, their pricing was better. They're leveraged with manufacturers were better. And then at the end of day, when we finally split, those are our manufacturers. I built the company with you, dude. So you filmed, so you filmed two videos. I filmed two videos and you're and you're mad I was addressing I was addressing at the time all the hate and all these kids running their mouth because this kid's saying bullshit about me because I signed some chick that he used to fuck or some bullshit well listen it's all bullshit I just I get it what I want to say about it that's weird and also like today we talked a lot about like how the internet has changed conversation and dialogue and indoctrination all these things it's weird now that

the presence of passion in an argument which used to be indicative of a strong orator I hate to I mean I was got I was going to say a certain hitler is one of the worst people that's ever walked this planet terrible fucking person murderous scumbag amazing speaker one of the greatest speakers one of the greatest orators in the history roll when you watch him speak the the words are coming from his fucking soul from his feet all the way through his mouth. People say what they say about Obama. Obama is one of the greatest orators in the history of the American presidency.

Absolutely fucking incredible speaker. Nobody from right or left will take that away from him. We've had some incredible speakers. And generally, over the course of time, the one presence in that speaking has been that passion. When I speak, I get fucking passionate, bro, about shit because I mean this shit from my soul, from my heart. It's coming through me.

right the internet in a weird way has started to now deviate and assign passionate conversation to like covering up being angry lying so when you made that like like like the idea oh he mad oh he mad mad you know what i'm saying like yeah so you can't even now you have to deliver something in the most it's it's funny because like the same people that hate cancel culture and hate like that's the thing there's a lot of like polar opposite dick riding and like fucking and contradictory shit that goes on on the internet yeah like like the same people that say like oh you mad mad because you because you're speaking passionately about a topic are the same ones that are like proponents of of like completely free speech you know what I'm saying it's

like I don't know there's just so much contradictory so it's like normally if that if this was 20 years ago pre internet you're your pointed fucking passionate delivery and oration of that of that problem in your life would have been received so well. But now when you when you get passionate about something, people are like, oh, look at this old mad. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't post it. I literally to him was like, all right, I can't post this shit. Like it's just like I, this is not the time because it's just I was I was upset because I felt super fucking attacked, man. I felt like personally and on a level of like just different sort of disrespect in regards to me knowing the whole picture. And then watching how like these kids would spin this narrative as the mouthpiece of them in that

brand to my dismay to my brand's dismay to my image dismay and like and it just got to the point where like dude random people who never met me would have some sort of opinion because I'd meet other people that'd be like oh they said this and this about you I'm like who the fuck said that yeah yeah fucking how would I you don't even know me you're so you're taking what someone else says to spin it because that person in reality doesn't want you to like me because of the competition there I think that's the big I just think that's the biggest thing like to end cap this like I think the biggest thing is um one of the biggest challenges I've always had from the internet and honestly like I like to make these jokes lately uh that I fell off

I have to an extent you know what I'm saying I mean I think you know I think we all deal with our trickle down peaks of valleys and my channel's been been a little um the reach has been down a little bit I've done a terrible terrible job of evolving into shorts content I don't post on TikTok I don't post YouTube shorts like I have none of that I I still think you need a fucking podcast, man. No, that's now actually... Because right now it seems like this is your podcast. No, but that's now actually happening.

You really need it. I know. That's actually like studios, like there's signed shit. It's happening. That's actually happening, right? But, but in a way, I've had like a good year plus here where I've gotten to kind of like settle into this like just my audience scenario. So I haven't had a deal with as much of this evil that I'm about to tell you.

One of the things I always had the toughest time with on the internet was, uh, was people's misjudgment of you as a person and especially when it gets to a point where you're not able to fix it yeah you know what I'm saying like dude I wake up every day knowing deep within myself that I am truly a good person like truly a good person a good human who is who will always answer your phone call who will always pick up the phone if you're having a tough time who will always try to see someone else's side of an argument and de-escalate and create a friendship, whether it's between KSI and Logan or whether it's making sure the sidemen or this or back when there was drama there or creating a line of communication between

this person and that person like, yo, don't do this shit. Let's talk. Let's squash this because that's not the right answer. I've always wake up every day and try to do his little harm and do the best I can in this world because I wasn't always like that. And I feel a lot of times just like I'm trying to make up for that shit. And unfortunately, because of the way I deliver messages sometimes because of how I'm perceived, I, there's a, there's a really fucked up perception of who I am as a human. And that's always been a really tough pill for me to swallow.

You know what I'm saying? And it's really, it really, it's not, it's not as hard now because my audience now is smaller. And they know that most of them have read the book. They know my life. They know why I act the way I do. They know that I wake up every day, very, very. much struggling with demons and very much just trying to to live trying to live on a lot of days

where I don't always feel great about that you know what I'm saying like and they know that but not everybody knows that like the whole internet doesn't know that they don't know about the struggle you know what I'm saying that continues to this day they don't know about the you know dartboard meds trying to figure out you what's going to get me to a point where I could feel okay chemically and and the therapist and the fucking PTSD and the and the skeletons and the ghosts and the bodies and the fucking all that shit you know what I'm saying like that's not present it's not everybody doesn't know that and the content I produced doesn't mirror that because I don't want it to I told somebody this recently

like I don't want you to take this journey with me because I don't want to be on this journey and I that makes me feel very lonely bro and I hate saying that because I don't and I don't want anyone to ever think that that's okay but I've said that to a number of people I don't want you to do this with me yeah because it's not a fun place it's not a fun existence it's heavy it's really fucking heavy shit that I that I still struggle with you know what I'm saying that doesn't have an answer they say yo well what about because I preach a lot of shit to people that I don't practice and I and I and I and I don't always have that perspective in the back of my mind that bro there's someone dying in Gaza right now.

And by the way, even on the days I do, I wish that that would fix things. I wish that I would say, you know what? Wow, that's right. And would feel better. I did a brain scan recently. And the doctor said, you know,

your brain is so overactive. Generally, what we see from someone who's been through a tremendous amount of trauma. Like you have the brain of a post-war veteran. You, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, way ways operate indicate to us that there's not a, a moment of your day where you feel comfortable, safe, or, or, or not fearful about the environment that you're in. And I've never had someone so accurately described to me what it feels like when I'm not on this podcast. I'll walk out this door right now and go right back into it for the rest of the day.

Yeah. And I have to tell people like that are like, yo, I'm like I've had girls, guys, parents, family members. Yo, I'll ride with you. I love you. You're a fucking great person. And I have to say to them, I don't want a passenger on this boat. I don't because I don't want anyone. I don't even like talking about this right now

because I don't want anyone to hear this and to have to even like comprehend what that feels like. You know what I'm saying? The reason I'm even bringing all this up is because I'm trying to actively step back a little bit from all this because I have a lot of work to do in my life

because I want to be happy. I want to feel safe and okay and not feel like everything around me is always falling apart. You know what I'm saying? And I know there's the reason I do talk about it is because I know there's someone watching this right now that knows exactly what I'm talking about. You got to talk about it, man.

And I've realized that I, dude, I relate so heavily to a lot of this that you just said. Like, I think that's why a lot of times when I'm not making content or I'm not actively doing something, like I'm alone, man. And I don't, like even the guys will invite me places. It's like my, you know, my crew, my boys, and I'm just like, uh, it's, it's weird because like I want to, but like sometimes I find myself in places and spaces with people and

I'm so caught up in my mind and what's going on there that like I'll avoid social interactions beyond like work and things like this because I, I almost feel like I'll be there and then someone will look at me and be like, yo, you're not happy or you're not enjoying this, you know, and it's like, then I feel obligated that like I'm not showing up the way I should show up. And it's so interesting because, like, it's not that I want to be that way. It's like I don't, that's always I don't know another way to just be and like to just like let go of all the other shit that spins in my mind all the time. Because there's definitely a lot of shit that I hold on to. And it, you know what, though, the more that you talked about it and the more I want to say like you really should speak more about it.

Because I had a, I had someone come up to me today, actually a really well-known fitness influencer. Definitely not going to say his name because it's very private. But he came up to me today and he shared a story with me where. I had known this person for a while, and I had talked to them in the beginning of their career, and I still talked to him to his day. And I share with him some personal information about, like, my childhood, my dad, which obviously I shared to people on the Internet, but a little more detail, which I've never shared. And he came to me today and told me something that was like,

I would have never expected from this person. Like, this person essentially, and I, I don't think they've talked about it, which is why, again, I won't speak on this person's name. Was essentially saying, like, he was going to take his own life in the same manner that my father took his life. And he... Fuck. Sorry. Sorry, bro.

I'll take your time. He, uh, he, uh, he, uh, he was going to do it. And he said that it didn't work. So it fell. Yep. And then he told me that the first thing he thought about was the conversation that we had. And then the idea of like, his family finding him. and having to deal with that and go through that and uh he just it was so it was so interesting

because he just he came up to me and i'd never i would have never anticipated this conversation and uh he he was you know he was in his in his emotion and it just made me feel not i don't even know if the word is grateful because like i didn't do anything or change anything i just like shared a conversation with someone years ago about my circumstance and it I guess got to some point of realization for him where he's like, okay, this is not how I want it to be. You know, and God is, there's some bigger picture that he realized and then he thinks about this conversation.

He's like, okay, this is not how I want it to go. And it's only because I was willing to have that conversation that like there's that moment. Because I think people who do that kind of shit, like there's another guy who actually got to have on the podcast. And I think you guys might have had them on it. The guy who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. Of course, Kevin Heinz.

Kevin. Very good friend. Yeah, I got to have Kevin back on. He had messaged me, I guess he lost his number, but he said the same thing where like he, once he did it, he realized so quickly he was like, all he wanted to do was live. As soon as he got off. Can I, can I ask you a question? This is just really important. How did, how did it make you feel when he told you that? oh man um it's interesting because like it's not even about like my father at this point but i think because of my circumstances and what i've been through and things that i've

been through even more recently in my life and in my adulthood and thoughts that I've had and conversations that I've had with myself in regards to the same thing. I feel so grateful that I'm just able to not have done the same thing. I feel so grateful to be able to have these conversations. And, you know, someone like that who's a, you know, I would say a very figurehead into space and still very young looking at me someone as like a father type figure is interesting to me because like that's that's the thing that i always so yearn for and wanted so to be in a position where like someone's like yo because you share this story in your life and the way it has affected me or the way it made me think a little bit different about what i'm going through i think that's

the biggest blessing because at the end of the day man like none of this shit really matters all this shit but the only thing that does matter is like this is the conversation this is why this is why I asked you I've had because of the book because of just what you just said because I talk about this stuff and I haven't been shy of talking about it and really expressing it had hundreds of conversations with people who have come up to me in person Forget, forget, it's messages on Instagram. Thoult, tens of thousands. Yeah.

Full stories. But the people that have come up to me in person, crying. It's different. As soon as they see me, as soon as it just fucking wet damn breaks, full fucking crying and said, I got your book in jail. I was addicted to heroin I read your book I read your story

I'm now working in investment banking I'm now I now have a job at Costco I'm nine months clean I was with I'm talking this is every fucking day I was with someone yesterday

at family style food festival he came out to me said your book inspired me this morning I was at Equinox a kid named Ethan came up to me this morning today

came up to me he said you all I just want to I just want to thank you for talking about the things that you talk about online. You know, you, it's funny because I find a lot of similarities between you and my mother. And I was like, oh, I was like, she's got to be a dope-ass chick. And he was like, she died of a heroin overdose five years ago, young kid, 18. And I immediately, you know, because I approach the situation jovially because of the statement he made,

I have to then walk back a little bit because now I've just gotten this terrible news, you know? And yeah, um, basically said, you know, thank you. Thank you for, for, for talking about the topic. Thank you for talking about the epidemic. Thank you for talking about the people that are dying. Thank you for talking about what it's like to struggle with this type of stuff. And the reason I asked you how it made you feel is because. All those things I talked about earlier,

lack of self-worth, purpose, pleasure in life, happiness, calm, peace. In those moments that I'm approached by someone that I've impacted, all that goes away. Yeah. All of that goes away. And for that one to two minutes when I'm talking to that person, I feel alive. I feel truly, truly alive. and so fucking grateful to be here and so happy that I woke up today and was able to have that conversation with someone and say and shake their hand look in their eyes tell them fucking

keep going bro like and and and and whatever else we can get out of that conversation before I move back on you know what I'm saying and and and and we need to lean into this shit bro we really need to lean into the shit and I'm I this is me preaching to the choir and I hate doing it because I haven't done enough, bro. I really haven't. Right in the book was a great start. Talking about this stuff is a great start. And I know I can't be so hard on myself.

But there's so much work for us to do in this space, bro. There's so many people out there that are fucking hurting that wake up every day with no sense of direction, no desire to even be here anymore. That's really, that's really the people that I really am aiming at when I say this shit. because I felt like that once and I still struggle I'm not promising anybody that it's going to get perfect

but that is why you're absolutely right and why I need to talk about this stuff and it would be it would be shameful of me to not talk about the struggles that I continue to go through because I feel like it may it may sadden someone

because they see me still going that's the fucking message that's the message Yeah, that's the message. Yeah, and it is. It's all about perspective, but people can't get sometimes when they're in their own shit, they can't look outside of it. It's hard for them to take a step back and look at it.

They're just in it, and they only see through that lens. So that's why it's so important to have conversation because for someone to see, you know, you went from A to Z or A to C, whatever, A to fucking Y, A to fucking G, they could see that where you came from, if they can make any relationship to where they've, they've been, or where they're at, then they're able to see, oh, you went from A, B, C, you made it. to where they want to be or somewhere they think they could be and you show proof that the that their ability could be there as well because they can relate yeah and and and and them and then

watch this like i want to cut back a second because like i i did voice some struggles the the main point is i'm i'm even on my worst day i'm 99.9% better than i was in on those days when i was when i didn't want to be here you know what i'm saying and that's the message So like, yes, there's a lot of stuff that I still need to work on. Basically, I'm saying that I'm doing my best now to prioritize continued evolution and continued progress in mental health, but God dang, am I happy that I, that something got to me and God got to me and my mother got to me and the Connecticut probation got to me and the rehab center got to me to put me in the direction that I'm at so that I was able to now

go and serve out a purpose, which is helping other people. people and and and man I want to do so much more because that's the only time it's not it's not the fucking it's not the money you know I still like when a wire hits it's fun but like but like damn when I run into somebody and they say like you know imagine that power imagine that that feeling in your heart in your soul when someone says not the way people say it in a Twitter comments but when someone says, yo, fighting back tears,

you saved my life. Yeah, there is no feeling on earth and this is where maybe me and you are different than other people who want to conquer and win and fight

and do all that stuff. I promise you there is no feeling in this world like knowing that you potentially could have saved someone's life. It is the most humbling experience

that you will ever fucking have. and more so made someone feel like they're going to be okay yeah after that so so you know i mean you're absolutely right it's it's important it's important to talk about and and i i know that your extremely intelligent audience will tell me to not never stop fucking talking yeah you know so we got more shit it's the question is the question is like how much like we could when we link up bro it's different bro like it really is i like to think that i have common good conversation with a lot of people but bro like when we link up it's it's there's just too much overlap you're too intelligent you're too well-spoken um this shit like when we sit down as a game bro

this is it like like you like it's strategic it's chess like i look at all these other podcasts and it's like this is real real shit this is like what rogan does from an informative standpoint educational standpoint but for the soul you know what i'm saying like we're talking about real real shit and i'm like i'll always always come back dude when i whenever possible to have this conversation because it's just so fucking it's so beautiful bro yeah i appreciate you man a lot for real genuinely i mean that and also we we got to make sure i don't know when your thing's officially officially starting but i i'm definitely gonna be there a hundred percent i need you on all the time bro i'm about to take this flame and just put it on different platform i'm there

i'll go there man and obviously you've been so consistent and so it's so helpful to me and you know just in so many ways man i mean i just want to i know i've talked about this i probably before another maybe another podcast we did but you're definitely that guy that I've called in moments when I'm like man this is this this is buggy me or that is bugging me

you are that guy you know off camera no cameras no one's recording me no one's vlogging shit you are you are that guy and it's funny because me and Steve did a pod the other day in Miami and he actually referenced you

I don't know if you heard that but he referenced you and I was like I agree I was like you'll Mike's someone that I would love to actually be friends with but like we feel like we can't like because you're i don't know if it's you're busy i think it's i think all of us are just really big i steep me and steve it's like we a very different relationship than me and you but

like dude steet we both said like very publicly like that's my favorite person like he said it about me i've said it about him like dude i fucking love steve great guy he has one of the greatest hearts and just is such a just a funny like jovial like i just want to be around people that i look at them and i'm like damn like this is just a pure like good hearted person and Steve is just so like watching everything that's like happened with him. Obviously like I like kind of like infamously put him in an episode recently because I wanted to like see like what can we do with this guy like where I could walk that line. And everybody was like, dude, that was cool that he was able to be back on YouTube because brother's dude is literally one of the sweetest people on the planet. But I mean, bro, both of you guys are awesome.

So yeah, I mean the three of us hanging out is like a cool just like it's almost like what can we start from a impact. standpoint that would just be sick because we're all just like bros but with the biggest hearts like ever you know what I'm saying because he said that and I was like that's exactly I feel the same way about Mike yeah I was like I don't know why I can't get closer to that guy because we're busy I get it yeah I think that's what it is I think it's like because you're always in Puerto Rico yes yes manny Logan that's so true so true I think if anything like the the easiest thing for us is just a work out yeah because I do that every day you do that every day like it would make sense for at least a couple times a week to fucking bust a chest

session or whatever you know i'm down i'm down man well fucking it was a blessing dude it was awesome great great conversation man today more more more more in the future obviously um you know i just it's it is it is special linking up with you yeah i want i want i want the world to know that i want the internet to know that and i appreciate the fuck out thanks for having me on bro raw talk audience appreciate you guys listen to another fucking two plus hour three hour no we're pros dude um but yeah that's it subscribe to the channel on itunes on spotify on youtube all the good stuff i love you guys uh we're out of here uh yeah i'll see you guys next week