RAWTALK - Santa Cruz on Why Looksmaxxing, Dopamine Addiction & Testosterone Shortcuts Are Destroying Men

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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And then the clips, like said the funniest shit. Like, it'll be like, 10-time world champion Santa Cruz does this to a new student on that. Because then it hit the jihitsu community. And we had to like hit up people like jiu-tzu people and be like, oh, so you wait. Is it filming? You were getting heat for that? Tons of heat. I asked them a question because there was, I know because I've done it.

Obviously, I've done the jiu-jitsu thing. I've like showed up and, you know, you go places. I'm friends with the owner. He's like my homie. But then there's the practice. practitioners who are there and they're all, you know, and they know you. Then they're like, oh, I want to fuck this guy up. I've made a situation with dudes that like, they'll fuck me up too.

Oh, 100%. And so clav, like, respect to clav, I was like, yo, he's like, let's spar jihitsu. I'm like, okay, like, do you want to do a class or anything? He's like, no, dude, he wants to get like, he wants to get content. Yeah. And he's like, nah, dude, like, let's just go. And I'm like, okay, then on the way there, I'm like, yo, by the way, there's there some of people there that might try to fuck you up because just all the content he does.

And I'm like, I won't match you up with them. and he's like, I don't give a fuck. Matt, you're up with them. Like, Clive is a savage. He absolutely is. And so we get there and that happens. So it dude comes up and is like, I want to roll the clav.

I want to roll the clap. And it's open, Matt. It's not like we brought him to a class. It wasn't like a fundamentals class. He wasn't trying to learn jihitsu on strings. He's like, that shit's boring. Like, I'll do that at another time.

Yeah. And yeah, that dude went kind of hard on him. Like the takedown was a little hard. But other than that, there's no, like, risk of injury. And the funny thing about all the clips is Clav was fine after he was laughing.

He's like, that shit was crazy. Like, that's going to get hell of views. And then he's like, I want to, I think I'm going to try to learn jujitsu now. But then, of course, the clippers come in and it goes like, 10-time world champion Santa Cruz brings clav to beginner jujitsu class and this is what they do. And you're like, that is not what happened. So then it kind of goes in the normal algorithm of it goes like viral in all the normal ways. Then it recently went into the jiu-jitsu world algorithm. Oh, and then you're like a big ad.

Then you're an asshole, right? Yeah, and so luckily we had like people like Tom De Blast, who's like a legendary black belt, like get the actual story and like clear it up. Like, no, this wasn't a guy that like walked into a fundamentals class and people are going hard on him. This is like somebody who's like, I want to see what's up. Like show me what's up. I want to spar jiu-I'll spar with whoever. And you told him prior, it sounds like you were just like, yo, you know they're going to kind of there's whoever's going to try to go out of you's probably going to try to go at you hard. Yeah. And he's like whatever wants to go viral, bro. Like that is what he's been amazing at. That's what he's good at. He doesn't want to learn like, sure. shrimping on, I was doing some learning jiu-jitsu with my buddy, Todd Duffy now, which is cool. But yeah, it was funny. Yeah. How did you get looped in with, like, the streaming community? Yeah, I mean, like, I never, like, intended to.

I think, like, the first big thing was phase rug had me on a video. And so he just had me, yeah, Rug's the best, dude. And he gets me up because I live in San Diego now. Yeah. Rug run San Diego. Yeah. And so he's like. I've driven out just to film with Rug in San Diego.

Absolutely, dude. Yeah, he just like runs it. And so he was like, yo, let's do a video going to some fast food places. It kind of fits perfectly with his type of content. It's very like food based, you know,

a lot of his videos. And so we filmed a YouTube video together where he went to a bunch of fast food places and I showed him like what I would order at these places. And then after that, then a lot of streamers started to hit me up. So then it's like neon hits me up and oblivion. And then lately like clav and stuff.

And, um, yeah, we have fun, dude. Like I, I like doing those streams. Yeah.

Yeah. It's always, is it always sort of like health-based stuff? It's always health-based. Yeah, like, it's pretty easy for us, bro. Like, they'll be like, oh, yeah, we want to do like healthy stuff. And it's like, if you're just hanging out with us on a normal Saturday, it's how I live. So I don't have to switch anything up. Just like you.

I mean, we just walk in here and you're like, this is what I do. Like, there's no, you don't, it makes content so much easier, bro. Like, I tell people, like, if you don't have to throw on a fake personality or a fake face for content, you're going to be successful. Like we've all met people who it's different. Oh yeah. And I'm like, dude, that would get so tiring, bro. Like I couldn't imagine that.

So if you're just with us on a normal Saturday, like we go surfing, we might go to Jiu-Jitsu, we might, you know, cook up some healthy food, might go mountain biking, whatever it is. That's just how we're living. So it's pretty easy. How did you start to structure what you wanted your content to be? Like I saw you do this like this locked in thing and like how did you start to structure that?

Because you're pretty interesting because it's a. like it almost reminds me not of the liver king thing but like his whole brand was basically a business and your whole brand is basically a business as well but it's also you absolutely so how did you structure how you wanted it to like come across because the thing you said about you know walking in here and how I make content how you make content it's just it's just natural and candid and just real um that can be sometimes hard for people who are like also trying to build a business because it can start to feel salesy and like weird 100. I mean, you've done a good job at it.

And I think the big thing I don't even know, but I would guess that you don't have a bunch of people telling you what to do the way you've structured your business. So you don't have some investor that you check in with in the morning going, hey, we really need to push these specific sweatpants because we have 700 units left. Can you make a video on that? You'd be like, I don't, I just want to do what I do. So the way we've structured the business is I don't have any investors. We've turned down investors over and over again. And we run the company super, just simple, just simple. And that allows me to just do whatever I want to do with content and be myself.

So I think it does come back to the structure of the business where some of these people, bro, they get some success doing content with the business, but then they go raise a bunch of capital. And now the investors are telling them to do this certain stuff, it gets so weird and messy. And like, content's hard enough. If you have people in your ear, you're not going to be yourself. And like a lot of those stuff you're talking about, like the locked in stuff, just completely, naturally evolved.

So there's no plan to like, I'm going to do this. It's like, I meet this influencer Cookie King. He lived like right near me in the Bay Area. And he was like, yo, I want to get healthy.

And we hang out with like, start going to the gym together. He met you because of your content. Like he found you. There's a creator Lance Baker. He runs base body works. They're a huge hair care brand like right over there. And he lived right near me.

And Cookie King knew him. And we would just kind of hang out. And just like normal shit. Like, yo, let's go to the gym, let's work out. And he's like, yeah, I want to, I want to lock in. I want to get healthy. And that, that Cookie King lore, I don't know if you know all of it, but it. No, I don't.

Dude, it evolved into one of the craziest things just on the internet ever. People have made documentaries about it, like on YouTube. But I don't, so, can you explain it to me? Because I kind of don't get it. I know he's a, I know he's like this guy who, like, films TikTok videos. Yes. I've seen that. Yeah.

Cookie King's a great dude. Like, anybody who's hung out with him, like Albert loves him. like Albert loves him like everybody who meets him like love okay so like he's been doing content he was like a little kid like now we have this new generation of people that like he's interesting he has videos from when he's like nine years old like doing content and he's had all these pages sometimes he's crashed out and like deleted pages with like 900,000 followers you know which I can't imagine doing like as an adult I'm like that that's like a very like self-sabotaging move you know but yeah these kids just like view it different um

but yeah he just wanted to get in shape and he kind of went through these like spirals like trying to get in shape and then crashing out and like he's all about humor bro but it's also like who he is so these real videos of him like crash out ordering like 40 items from McDonald's or something and and being like Santa Cruz I couldn't do it you know like I'm crashing out then his audience big no like lock in and uh we just filmed all these things bro where he would come out and like um you know like hill sprints like the legend of the hills hills hillsbrough hills like he couldn't do the hill sprints in the bay hillsboro yeah yeah well it started in the bay and now we have a hill in uh san diego area that now people go to and take photos of like it's a tourist

destination bro it's insane but um he eventually conquered the hill he ran his hill sprints and uh then recently like he um started kicking it with clav a bunch clav helped him lock in in many ways many other ways and um looks maxing or well yeah looks maxing bro you what's your take on that i mean there's two areas of it, right? Of like the BP community and looks maxing community has BP black pill. Like if you take the black pill, like, and I don't even know it. I get it. I get it.

Looks are the most important thing is basically what they're saying. And what Kav says is your life will be significantly better, the better you look. And I do agree in a way with that statement, but I do think it gets taken a little bit too far sometimes. And I don't know, man. Like, I have love for that community because I think both of us when we were young, like we probably got into working out just purely aesthetics, like vain. Like, I want to look good.

And it did evolve out of that for me, like as I get older. And so I was also like I hated myself and wanted to love myself. Yeah. Oh, 100%. And like, that's where I think a lot of this comes from. You know, people are just like, I don't look good enough. Yeah. You know, and I know the dating pool for these young.

guys is really like just completely cooked right now they're they're not feeling like they're not feeling good you know like a majority of men yeah young men yeah yeah yeah young men especially i think they're feeling like uh i don't know they just have trouble talking to women uh they say uh you know girls out there are different now they're they're there's more evil which i i guess i would agree with you know i'm not in that world at all but just from like what they tell me i'm like damn you know it's it's always been tough but i think it's like a bit more difficult for them right now So I think the look smacks in community is just like you need to look as good as possible by any means necessary. And I agree with a lot of the health stuff that they do because there is some health aspect to it.

But I disagree. And I've talked to Clav and other people a lot about just some of the more aggressive stuff they do. Like the hormone stuff young. It's kind of crazy. The hormone stuff young. Yeah. Some of the peptides stuff, it's like it depends which peptides we're talking about, right? Like, you know, I'm starting to use BPC for my shoulder.

Like some of them are very kind of safe. But like, you know, some younger people are getting on GLP-1s. And to Clavs like, oh, you defend Clav. I'm like, bro, I'm just saying what he says. It just doesn't go viral when he's like, no young person should be on a GLP1. That's a horrible idea. He says, like, I did testosterone for when I was 14, but like almost everybody who's young should not do that because they're not going to be able to research it properly, do it properly.

But that doesn't go viral. So people just think, like, he tells. 14 year olds to get on test. Right, because they see the clips that do go viral and they don't see like the context around it. Yeah. And like, you know, like I'm probably going to get on testosterone when I'm like 50 or 60 or something. I just got my labs in the car here. My last labs were fire, bro.

I'm at that 1,0007 nanograms for decilator. I'm so stoked. Natural. Really? Yeah. My last test was 847 and I'm at 1,000. I think it's all this. We had these circadian biology experts on the podcast.

Their whole thing is like our circadian biologists. biology, like all the blue light we're getting in at night, like when we're playing video games and shit at night, their like theory is that that is so impactful that, like, if you start to limit that and do some basic stuff in your house and at night, you can improve your endocrine profile, like a bunch. And I did some of that over the last three months and I think that's a major reason for those results. Just sleeping, the quality of the sleep, the REM sleep and all that stuff. The quality of the sleep, but at night when the sun sets, I make my house.

like dark. Like it is a candlelight. It is if I have to have a low light, like that salt lamp you have right there, like low light from the ground that is producing less blue light is all I have in my house after sunset. Yeah. It's funny. Besides my computer screen.

Yeah. No. So besides my computer. Do you have the blue light blockers though? No, I did. I got to get. I had them and I like lost them because I lose fucking anything. But I for for probably the last eight years, I've at night, I've only, I only, I only,

have red light on. Yeah. Like I have red lights in my room. Yeah, yeah, because it doesn't suppress melatonin, like, blue light. And I think we're in a weird time where we're like more than ever, we're telling our bodies, like, it is daytime at night. Like, yeah, like, activate. This is something that, you know, I got my degree in anthropology. So I love looking at stuff that revolves on health, like from like that hunter gather ancestor point of view. And just like, we evolve to crave certain things like biologically and like we're hardwired a certain way. And it's been that way for so long that these very recent things, if it's 30 years old, 50 years old, 100 years old, it's so recent that we haven't quite adapted to it yet. And it just kind of throws off like our deep biological

reward mechanisms and like I think blue light's one of those things. Yeah. And we and it's it's fucking in our hands 100% of time. 100%. Yeah. And like this new form of media is crazy because you don't know what you're going to get next. So I think it puts people on edge more than ever. Just 20 years ago, bro, maybe less than 20 years ago, when you would go consume some form of media, you knew what you were about to get. So if you sit down to watch a movie, you kind of know what you're getting. If you turn on the radio back in the day, you know what you're getting. Now you kind of have no idea what's coming next. I feel like it's just putting people on edge. It's definitely fucking with your dopamine for sure. Absolutely. But I like it. I mean, like I scroll. Yeah. So I can't hate on it.

But it's like, all right, this is happening. We have to take measures against it or you have to realize it. Have you ever taken mushrooms and scrolled? Oh, yeah. I'm taking mushrooms and done about everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was on a good amount of mushroom once and I was, and I was like picked on my phone. And you know, like, normally I know not to do that.

But I remember scrolling and being like kind of like in it and then like this moment where I was like, I need to get away from this. And I almost felt like I was like sucked into it. Like I couldn't get away from it. 100%. And I was like, yo, this shit's like, this shit is not good. And I'm not saying I don't, I'm not saying I don't do it. But I do really try to limit like, like, I'll notice when I'm doing it for too long. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

100%. Do you have the thing in your brain, though, that I sometimes get where it's like, this is work. Like, I need to see what's going on. That's how I rationalize it for like eight years. Yeah, yeah, me too. I rationalize it like that sometimes. But it has gotten like eight years ago. It's way worse now.

I think the clip thing is, because early on in content creation, it wasn't all just like clip driven. It was like more longer format, YouTube, maybe like some Instagram photos and some Instagram videos. Yeah. But when they introduced the TikTok and then the reels to match that, it's just like nonstop. And in the way the algorithm has like,

you know, if you watch something for like 10 seconds, you see like a thousand of those things. You just get locked in this like cycle that five years ago even didn't exist. So one thing I've worked on doing lately over the last like couple months because I realize exactly what you just said is something in my life that I'm interested in that benefits me. I purposely search that in Instagram and TikTok, so it gives me more of that. Yeah. So lately I'm into spearfishing. I search like spearfishing and I watch a few

those videos. And guess what my algorithm is? A lot of spearfishing. Like I think you can make your algorithm. You can. Some beneficial stuff like, you know, and like, yeah, I like all the humor. I like all that stuff. But yeah, like you just get trapped in it, bro. It's not good. Mine's all like off road trucks and RVs and shit. It's like in nature shit. But, yeah. But, like, you just get trapped in it, bro. But But no, don't get me wrong at one point. Like, you know, years ago, it's like just all girls. And then at one point, it's like all streamer content. And I'm just like, I see it for sure.

You can definitely curate it. But it's hard sometimes just not to get locked in on random shit. All right, guys, this podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. I've talked about this many times, but it is always important. If you guys are at a point in your life, you feel like you need a little bit of an outside perspective on something that you've been dealing with, something you're trying to figure out something that you're going through that you want input that isn't biased.

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had on that and in the rhythm. Yeah. What are the things that you learn to, like, alter that have helped you and you're kind of attributing it to your increased testosterone, like, naturally? Yeah, I mean, there's a couple big things. Like, we released a supplement called Nacetalcystine, NAC. We combined it with... I've taken that for years. Yes, so, like, people that are in the know

know about an acetylisstine, but we combine it with alpropoic acid, which is also beneficial in your liver, but NAC is the big one. And when we had this functional medicine doctor on the podcast, he was basically saying how he sees, increases in testosterone in folks that take this, like, reliably. And he thinks it's probably, like, estrogen detoxification,

pathways. And so I started taking that in a bit higher doses. And that might be another reason that I was able to up my test, like, naturally. Well, higher doses, like 2,000 milligrams? Yeah, I think I'd take 1,500 milligrams a day. But I'm really light. Like, you should probably be taking, like, 2.5 grams of that. Yeah.

Like, the doctor right on is a pretty big guy, like, lifts a lot. And, like, yeah, I think he was, like, taking, like, two to three grams a day of neck. And I think that, yeah, that's, like, a big benefit. but it does all just come down to like sleep. It really does. Like that's like the biggest driver people can make to like change their endocrine health is sleep. So I've just tried to dial that in in many ways.

We have the sleep caps obviously I've shown you. But like, dude just winding down. Like my house dorms aside. It's sort of like habit. 100%. Like supplements are great. But if they were able to do like a study where they're like, let's compare taking Aschaganda and Lemon Bomb and Valerian and magnesium, which I love all those things.

versus somebody doing a 10-minute, you know, meditation at night, making their room and house, like, dark, and actually having, like, pace in their life, like, that person's going to have way better results than a supplement. Yeah. So I've tried to just combine both those. You can't go from fighting with your girl to taking a supplement to getting good sleep. No, no, no, no.

Your cortisol is going to be all screwed up, bro. Yeah. Dude, we don't go to, like, nighttime jiu-jitsu anymore. We used to go to jiu-jitsu at night. But your-your-s-s-n-s got to be up. It cooks my sleep, bro. I get back, and I'm just, like, like even if it wasn't like a crazy like hard class like I'm rolling like my friends I'm not in

like some like like like you just get home and your your brain is like it's not time to go to bed yet like yeah yeah well it's just too much action it is um how did you get started in content you started what I was looking at your YouTube was it like three four years ago yeah I mean I started content um probably like seven years ago so yeah you message me on Instagram because when I messaged you to reach out I was like I saw I don't even know how many years ago it was. I think it was... Dude, and hey, shout out to you, bro. I was telling this on Claves live streams. He's like, oh, I'm going to go link up with Brad. I was like, dude, I met you, like, years ago. I had, like, no following. I'd, like, maybe like, 100,000 on

Instagram. You had no idea who it was. And I saw you at Zoo Culture. I'm like, yo, what up, dude? And you were very just, like, nice. You know what I mean? I'm like, no, but, like, you never know. Like, you already, like, extremely pop in at that time. And it's like, I've met a lot of people. And some people are just dicks, especially when they, like, now people are really nice to me, right? Because I have like all this following and stuff. But you're just really nice. You're just really cool.

And you had no idea who I was. So yeah, that's... Well, I appreciate that. Yeah. And so, like, I started content. We started this company. My buddy came back from a lab one day in Santa Cruz that he was working in. And he brought back this coconut oil.

The Santa Cruz in the Bay, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. And I went to UC Santa Cruz there. And then my buddy and I lived like right next door to each other. He lived with Todd Duffy, former UFC fighter, we're actually linking with today. And he made this jar of coconut oil mixed with CBD, but like a potent dose of CBD.

And so CBD for anybody that doesn't know, it's like the non-psychoactive part of the cannabis plant. And it doesn't get you high, but it has like anti-inflammatory benefits. And so we started taking this just like as people who work out a bunch, we surf a bunch, whatever, and we're like, this is great. And then I'm like nerdy into health already, like looking at studies. So then I start researching CBD. I'm like, dude, there's some amazing studies on this. like single dose CBD helping with anxiety before public speaking, benefits for sleep, benefits for inflammatory cytokines.

I'm like, this is cool. And then we run out of that jar. I go to the store in Santa Cruz and I'm like, I want to buy more CBD. And I realize all the products there are trash. They're all underdosed, crazy expensive. So I go back to my buddy. I'm like, hold on. Like, how much is this like raw material?

Like it was so basic. And this is why I tell people that are trying to start companies. Like, start with like one thing and like go in on that. You don't need to have 45 fucking products. Like start with one thing. And that's what we did. We made a CBD coconut oil, a potent CBD coconut oil. And we started selling that.

And I'm just like, you know, to friends or like athletes and stuff. Then we start selling it online. And from there, I realize I have to learn content. This is the best way to advertise your product. And this was back in the day. You post a photo, like a cool photo of like the coconut oil. And it's like, oh, like you get a few sales. But you just evolve with it and you start, you know, filming yourself, getting better on camera.

But what it comes down to, bro, is I'm extremely passionate about health. I'm obsessed with it on and off camera. And I feel like I always will be. So it just came naturally. When did that start? That started in college. So I like wasn't healthy. Like, I was like healthy in high school.

I played sports. But then I started partying a bunch in high school. For reference, you're in your 30s, right? I'm 33. Okay. Yeah. How old are you? 36.

Okay. Yeah. So we're like, so like I grew up in the Bay Area and I went to high school there. And what high school? Palo Alto High School. school. Devante Adams. Yeah. Okay. Devante joggers.

Because I'm from the bay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear that I'm always like, damn, that's cool. Yeah. No, it's so funny, bro. I saw the same area code and I'm like, that's, that's hilarious. Um, and so, yeah, I was like played sports in high school, but then I got like really into partying and at a few friends pass away from drug overdoses. You're in the same era. I always tell the store. I just told on a podcast recently, like, you're in that same era of like, people were doing like oxy cotton back then. And they didn't fully, like, it wasn't like there was like documentary. now about oxy cotton and stuff.

This was like early like days of that. And people were just like dropping like flies. Like it was it was bad. So I had two friends passed away from that. And that kind of started me on like this like health. Like okay, like I need to leave all that behind. So I started doing like basic health stuff. And then when I enrolled in UC Santa Cruz and I started getting my degree in anthropology,

you take medical anthropology classes. And that's when like a light bulb switch went off in my head of your researching our hunter gather ancestors. And it was like, dude, they have no obesity. They have no depression. This one thing, like I was struggling with, like, skin issues back then. And this one anthropologist went to this island.

And he was a dermatologist and an anthropologist. And he was like, yo, this island doesn't have a word for acne. And he, like, did, like, medical examinations of thousands of people on the island. They had, like, perfect skin. So, like, wait, what's going on there? They don't have skin care. They don't have, like, all the normal shit my Western medicine doctors telling me. and it comes down to diet, lifestyle, all this stuff.

Then I start doing some of that stuff and getting into that primal living a bit. Yeah. Some of the Liver King type shit, which we did meet up with Liver King later in life. I saw that. Yeah. That was fascinating. And I just started to get so, like, way healthier through all this stuff. And I'm like, I need to tell everybody about this.

And I need to research it more. And I got obsessed. Yeah. It is, it is truly interesting how, I guess it's not. I guess it's just fucking money and greed. How are most. basic things are so overshadowed by just like, buy this thing, buy that thing. And I'm not even talking about in the supplement space.

Just food, consumerism, everything is like, it's weird how we've created a society where there's a lot more that hurts us than helps us. 100%. Obviously, there's a lot of people like you. I would consider myself, I mean, even liver king at a point, I don't know what he's necessarily doing now besides threatening Joe Rogan. But there's a, I don't know. I don't understand how people don't recognize.

how much, or maybe they do recognize and they just feel helpless, how much sort of modern society is like really bad for them. Yeah. Whether it's like, I don't know, the 5G shit or the blue light stuff or the artificial sweeteners or the dyes or the seed oils and all this stuff. Like it's sad because it's like it's all just at someone else's benefit financially to like cut cost or have a margin or have a new product. A hundred percent.

Do you ever think that it like, I think people like you, even, you know, like Liver King or people who are, who's that other guy? I've got to have them on. I've been trying to have Paul Saladino. Paul. Yeah, I'll link you up. Paul.

It's a good deal. Yeah, no, I got his number. But I've been trying to get him on. I just going to get him in L.A., but there are people like fighting that fight. I wonder if at any point do you think it ever becomes even more mainstream. You know, I think it, I think it sort of is with the young generation. They're really interested in health. And like I see it when I do these meetups, bro.

Like we have thousands of people come out to these meetups. And like, yeah, I'm like an influencer. Like I do some like stuff that's just fun. But like I'm just talking about health. And I was able to sort of break through this like algorithm where people know that like, you know, like all I talk about is health. And like I'm in this like world of like one of the people on the internet. So people are definitely interested in health.

But you're right. Like the modern society does stack the odds sort of against you. 100%. if you don't live a little bit different and weird, I call it weird, like I'm glad I live weird, then you are kind of screwed. Which is funny because weird is just like more human. More human. Dude, like so much of the stuff I talk about to is so recent.

Like I did a video on how like, I had my wife by like all like natural fiber like rugs and like furniture and shit and people are like, damn, like it's just, and I feel them. Like it's crazy expensive. It's so difficult nowadays. Like even our couch is like, you know, fucking, you know, fucking us up. Like this couch is probably polyester dog. And, you know, it's like, flame retardants. It's like off gassing radio.

And these are minor things in the grand scheme of health. Right. But like, um, the funny thing is up until about 1960, no couches were made from polyester and had flame retardant spread. And I'm like, these are recent things that have come in. Well, have you seen the, can you pull up the, pull up the thing when, uh, it's like teenagers now are like have testosterone of like 70 year olds? Oh, yeah.

Oh, 100%. Like 70 year olds, like in the teenagers then in the 40s or like the 50s, whatever. Everyone's like hormones. Everything was way better. Yeah. Oh, absolutely, dude. Like it's, um, you look at a chart of our testosterone levels and it's collapsing. And, you know, that's one health metric everyone's obsessed with.

And I like the obsession with it. Like testosterone's a great thing to optimize and like when you have high tests, like, you feel good. You know this. Like you just are more confident. It's not like people think of it as something of like testosterone. equals muscles, but it's also like your neurotransmitters and stuff. Like, yeah, the very actions that you will take in your life and your, like, feelings of

being able to, like, go to a job interview and crush it, like being able to approach a girl, being able to go, like, if you, I kind of want to go do a new hobby, like a mountain biking, but you're too scared to and you just don't. That could be low testosterone. Like, it drives you in different ways. But there's other health bar markers. I'm obviously a big proponent of testosterone. I mean, it's like, it's who you are.

Yeah, it's what makes you a man. I mean, it's literally like in, in the uterus, like testosterone starts to come in and like it forms you into a man. Yeah, you're everything, like your brain capacity, your decision making. They even say like people who like, I've hired testosterone are less likely to lie and like all this sort of shit. Yeah, 100%.

And it's super important. I'm glad that's one thing I guess like we were just saying like young people are like super aware of and it's become like a meme. More than ever. They'll be like neon has 118 nanograms per decilator testosterone. and like they roast neon for that which I bet he has higher testosterone that but I haven't seen like his lapwork I don't I don't see I've seen him I've been around him enough to know he just did some mushrooms I saw I watched some of the stream he did he did some shrooms which is I think good you're just saying

you've done mushrooms a few times a lot yeah I have too and I don't like it's a weird thing it's a very Santa Cruz thing of you exactly but I don't mean Santa Cruz no 100% the city I meant Santa Cruz the city oh 100% bro there's yeah probably 500 people right now in mushrooms and Santa Cruz dude But like, I don't like promoting it or like talking about it too much because like, you know, you're the same way. Like we got a young audience and it's like a pretty nuanced thing. Like yeah. But I've gone deep into that world.

I've been to the jungle. I've done ayahuasca. I've done trumes. And I found benefit from it. Yeah. Have you found benefit from it? Yes. Yeah.

And it's like it's not like it solves all your problems. But like if your life is already pretty dialed in and you want to like look deeper into other things like I feel like it can be beneficial. Yeah. It's all about set and setting. Like you can't just be like you're not going to do it at a party and get some sort of great benefit from it because all the stimulus is not what you need. Yeah. It's more like, okay, if you're going to do something, do it with an intention behind it, how you're going to do it, what you want to figure out, what you're trying to learn. Yeah, I definitely am not recommending that young kids just take a bunch of mushrooms and fuck off.

No, we've seen a lot of, we know a lot of buddies who are just still out there, right? Just kind of wandering around, you know. Yeah, you need, you need to sort of like carve what it is that you're doing. with it and what the purpose is. So you've, when did you experience that stuff? Was that along the health journey or was that early on? That was long the health journey. I mean, like I messed around with it and not like the proper way in like college and

high school, you know, just like eating mushrooms with this guy and like wandering around, which can be fun. But then when I was like into health already, like I went to the jungle, did Iwasco with my girl now wife. And I've done other shrimp trips, you know. Which jungle did you go to? Costa Rica. Costa Rica.

Yeah, I mean, someday I kind of want to go to, like, deep in the Amazon, but I mean, the coast, I would honestly just go back to the place in Costa Rica. Like, it was kind of nice, but, like, you're still, like, in the jungle, you know, so I'm like, you know, something goes wrong. Like, Costa Rica is pretty nice. Yeah, I like the real jungle. You're just like, there's nothing out there. Yeah, no, there's nothing out there. Yeah. Were you got to travel a couple hours to get there?

Oh, yeah. I watched, like, Aubrey Marcus. He runs on it or used to run on it. Yeah, yeah. And, like, you know, like his thing back in the day, like, he was like, really. really out there like chat out to Aubrey but uh yeah like um that stuff's intense man and I feel like I've learned a lot from it um I microdose I'm microdose yeah mushrooms yeah yeah like kind of frequently I mean yeah yeah yeah too and same here yeah I did yesterday yeah and in three days before

that how much do you take uh a micro dose it's 300 to 500 I was insane yeah that's like what you take I'm lighter so I'd be taking like 200 probably getting to like the same place But when you microdose, you don't, you're not like feelings. You're not like, oh my God. No, it's just like it's subtle, bro. It gives, personally, it gives me energy. I like doing it during the day. Um, and yeah, I don't really feel it too much.

I might up the dose a little bit if I'm like snowboarding with my boys or something and it gets like pretty euphoric for me. I try to not like overdo it though because I do believe in like the phrase like there's no biological free lunch. Like it is kind of like like stimulating for me. So like I take some days off and weeks off sometimes. But all right, guys. quick and interrupt for the podcast, Shopify.com.

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So like if it's past 12, I won't have coffee. if I somehow missed having my coffee. But almost every day I'm having my caffeine between 9 and 11 a.m. Yeah. I'm just doing like a good cup of coffee. It's probably like 100 milligrams of caffeine. And the reason for that is because of the sleep cycle. I'm assuming.

Because of the sleep. Caffeine has a half-life. Depends on genetics, but about 6-8 hours. Yeah. I know you know all this stuff because you're pretty deep in this world. Yeah. So I'm like. Yeah.

So people can know. So like for sure. 6-8 hours, half-life of caffeine. So like when people are having their 100-millimeter of caffeine in the afternoon or even like 200 milligrams like some people are doing. You can think of it like this. If you're lying down, you're trying to go to bed now, it's 11 or 12, and someone wakes up and they go, hey, do you want to take a 50 milligram caffeine pill?

That's the same thing as what you're doing in your body. You're going to have 50 milligrams or 100 milligrams for some of these people of caffeine in your system while you're trying to go to sleep. Yeah. And they've done studies on this and it messes with your sleep architecture. Some people can still fall asleep quick, like their sleep. latency was good, but they're still not getting as much deeper REM sleep. So, I mean, there's stimulant free pre-workouts out there.

You have your caffeine, but just, yeah, cut it off earlier in the day. Yeah, I never drink caffeine past 4 o'clock. Yeah. Ever. Otherwise, I know that it'll fuck my sleep up. 100%. So I'm a fan of it, though. Yeah, I mean, it's like people worry about cortisol.

This like term cortisol, they're like, cortisol is bad. Like cortisol. And it's like, when you talk to these functional medicine doctors, like, no, you want cortisol in the beginning of the day. and it's just supposed to drop throughout the day. And so if you're, like, doing activities that lower your cortisol, like even taking aschaganda in the morning, like a lot of people do, like I'm not a fan of that.

Doing like very relaxing stuff. And like if I schedule like deep tissue body work, I'm doing it in like the second half of the day. If I'm trying to do something chill, like I'm trying to do it later in the day. Like I want my cortisol. I want some caffeine. I want to get going in the beginning half of the day. I see.

So what is your, what does your actual day look like supplement-wise, routine, lies like diet wise. And we'll get into diet stuff in a little bit. How many hours you got? No, I'm joking. Like, I can summarize it. I mean, I wake up.

First thing I do is I go outside and hydrate, just water electrolytes. You send your butt hole or what? I get naked in the sun, but I'm not like, I'm not one of these dudes. I fucking knew it. I do nothing about this. And I fucking knew it, dude. Be honest, you showed your ass to the sun at least once. I have.

Oh, dude. My stretching routine is vigorous. My hydration is stretching. I fucking knew it, bro. The sun's peeking through right now. I might get naked. it in your backyard. I fucking knew it. I mean, Dr. Abud Bakri, who he just sat on, went one of the best things he's done for his testosterone levels.

And this dude's an MD, like super dialed in. He has like a, he gets naked son, but he has like a light for his balls, like a particular one, not even like a red light. Like it's like multiple. So there is some, you know, validity to it. But I just, I get outside naked in the sun 100%. Have you ever iced your balls? I asked my balls every time I get in the sauna. Every single time. after the sauna, obviously. No, in the sauna. In the sauna. So Brian Johnson, you know, the dude is trying to live forever, which I disagree with some of the stuff he does, but he does like pretty cool like, you know, videos and like, he does

like a lot of cool stuff, a lot of weird stuff too. But he just did a big thing on saunning. Like he kind of acted like he like invent, he was like, like, he's like the sauna like revolutionized my health. It's like, bro, people have been doing this shit forever. But yeah, yeah. What was cool is he did a bunch of blood work. And I think midway through his protocol, he wasn't icing his balls.

and he noticed like decreased sperm count, some endocrine issues, and then he started icing his balls in the sauna, and it all went away. And he even experienced and arise in his testosterone in his sperm count. So I've been icing my balls in the sonnet. It's so simple, just ice pack, boom, put it on there. Yeah.

So yeah. Do you think if you're taking testosterone, all these other things still affect or still matter? I mean, now you're talking kind of the clav point of view, where clav goes, listen, like I like Santa Cruz, but all this stuff you have to do to raise your test is so difficult. I'd rather just blast test from a young age. And he honestly, like, he makes a good point.

Like, that's one way to get there. But I think health is, I look at it more of like a holistic approach and like a bit of longevity. And taking tests, like, it definitely works. You're going to, but like there can be complications. And if you're not dialed in, if you're not doing blood work with a doctor, you can run into issues. You can run into fertility issues. you can run into just a complete shutdown.

Like even like traveling for some people like when they're taking tests, like they got to be like, oh shit. Like I have to like, I have to bring this to like Mexico. I can't just like go like two weeks without my test. That's a whole thing, man. And I really, he wonders too. Clav wonders too. But like I really wonder how many 14, 15, 16 year olds are going to kind of like view it as like,

all right, let me buy it. Let me start doing it. And like they might run to some issues. Yeah. Well, I think the age thing is a problem. I don't think you need to be doing it. There's so many other things. obviously you can do these these things whether you're older or younger but the age thing in general is

just I think if you rely on exogenous testosterone you're like you're you're affecting not just like your hormones in the moment and then like the longevity of it but you're affecting your ability to do things or to like orchestrate your life in a way without the thing and then you become relying on the thing yeah I mean a hundred percent So there's like, that's the greater problem to it, I think, is that you take this thing and you go, oh, now I need this to have this. And then then you become relying on that. And then the things you do that actually are really beneficial, you put less emphasis in like power to those. For sure. And then you kind of like worry about them less. And then these are all the other things that in the long run are 10x more important. Not that this awesome isn't important. I agree 100%. And a lot of people in that community sort of look at working out as like a joke.

they're like, they say like basically that this is why I just don't agree with it. Like they say the gym sucks like working out sucks. Cookie King has a joke. I don't like working out because it hurts. And like they genuinely say and they're like, I don't like going to the gym, which it is like a personal preference. Like, but some of them say like nobody likes going to the gym. And like I couldn't disagree with that more.

Like I genuinely do like doing these things, whether it be an outdoor activity or going to the gym. I'm going to go to your gym after and lift. Like it's just like like, like, oh, Let's go get a pumping. It'll feel great. Like, it's a fun time. You socialize with people.

I lift the weights and I feel like really good. I get like a euphoric feeling. And then like everything just hits different. Like the food hits different later in the day. I like it. I love the routine of it. But they say they don't like it. And so they'd rather just kind of take test and work out minimally to get the results that they want,

which are aesthetic. Yeah. But then like I said, you just create those habits that are just like in the long one really fucking you. Like if you're avoiding something like that that is so beneficial, you just even. outside the aesthetic, like the mental aspect of it is so beneficial to your life. 100%.

I see. I also saw, I also, you know what I noticed? Because this tends to happen with like content just in general in the internet and how people like follow trends that work. I was on Twitter. I saw some like random guy who was like, you could tell was sort of mimicking. You know, you know how like the influencers in the fitness space. There was popular ones and then everyone kind of mimic them and then these ones and everyone kind

of mimics them. I saw some guy seemingly like mimicking, I guess sort of clav or like the, the look maxing thing. And he's like to streamer. And he's like out. He's like out. I don't know where the fuck this guy's at, but he's like yelling at some chick to like get on camera because she said he was ugly or something like that. I don't know if you saw this on Twitter. And he's like, fuck you, you stupid bitch. Like show your face on camera. Yeah. I don't know. And the boyfriend is there being like, yo dude, don't say that. Obviously the boyfriend's a lot smaller than this other guy who looks like he's younger on test and, you know, bigger. And he's like pressing this girl in public.

And I'm like, oh, man, don't tell me we're going in this weird ass direction. Dude, we are going in this weird. We are going in this weird ass direction, bro. I mean, that's like one of the big things with a lot of this content of like, I don't know, man. Like, I get like, there's a lot of anger from young men at woman right now. And I think this is one of the reason a lot of this type of content's blowing up because, bro, these guys go out.

They get rejected by girls. they're not happy with, you know, the economy plays into this. They're like, I can't make money. I can't get girls. And then they see a streamer kind of dogging a chick, you know, going up to me like, you're ugly. Like, you're busted and walking up to a chick and being like, you are fat. And it hits a soft spot in their heart because they're like, hell yeah.

Yeah. Like they makes them feel a little vindicated. Yeah, it makes them feel vindicated. And like, you know, I don't know, man. I was raised to be respectful to women. I get what a lot of these guys are talking about. But I'm like, it's not nothing I would do ever. Yeah.

Certain ways to go about it. My concern is just like that the copycat thing because like then the copycats, like if you go down the line, like they just start to get really shitty. They have to do more. Yeah. They have to do more. Yeah. It's so crazy, bro.

And like, um, I'm actually going to start streaming in 2026. And one of the like things we talked about was like, bro, we're going to bring like a different thing to streaming. We're getting all like these like waterproof setups and like all the stuff. We're just going to do like we're going to go spearfishing on stream. We're going to go surfing on stream. We're going to like mountain bike all the stuff we talk about. like we're going to just like do like these healthy streams. Like of course I'm not going to pull in like 20,000 viewers like if I'm out of the club like

yelling at OF chicks or whatever, but it's like I don't care. I don't give a shit. So like I'm down. It's going to be fun. Let's go. Dude. Yeah, you said you surfed a bit. That's, we got to get you back.

I'm done to surf, snowboard. Everything. Bro, I'm going up soon. Actually, my brother works out in June and in, uh, sometimes mammoth, I think is a ski patrol. Oh, dude. Oh, let's go. So our buddy, uh, Joe is obsessed with skiing so much. He has a house in Mammoth and Tahoe this year.

Every year it's gotten more. He used to, like, have a little shack in Tahoe. Then as he's made more money, he just gets more and more. And he's like, I have a house and Mammoth. So like, we're going to go a lot. There's a flight too into Mammoth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So we flew in from San Diego. There's one from L.A. I got that sprinter. I just drive up there and sleep in it. That's right at the lift. Dude, we got, dude, a snowboard stream would be so sick. And like, we have like all the ability to film this stuff. We have a buddy.

But to stream, it's like you got to have a. You're going to have to have like, I guess you can you do it from a phone? You can do it from a phone. You can do it from a Samson. But the service is kind of fucked. Out there, yeah, the service might be rough. We're figuring out ways around it. And then like we have a buddy who's like a pro big wave surfer and like shreds in the snowboard obviously.

So like filming it like he could probably like really film it well. So we're going to figure it out. Yeah. I'm stoked. That sounds like a lot of fun. It's really fun. I want to do those streams. I'm down and go with you for sure.

This is what I do anyway. Exactly. Like I'm just like I'm not going to worry about this. And I'm just going to like do some fun shit on stream. and people want to watch, they can watch. What do you enjoy doing the most now, besides just talking about fucking seed oils and fucking sweeteners?

I like that. What's the real beef with seed oils, though? Oh, yeah. Is it because of the way that it's produced, the way that it's processed? I am not as intense as Paul Saladino is, for example, about seed oils. Like he will never eat seed oils.

I do videos going to in and out, going to Chipotle. Plenty of videos being like, yo, Chipotle is like a good option. Yeah, they use some seed oils, but it's like these aren't, it's not like the first thing when it comes to health, you know, like it's not even in the top 10, honestly. But seed oils, there are tons of highly intelligent people that are really anti-seed oils. And what you see is basically this Western medical community going, no, seed oils lower LDL cholesterol.

So you should, they're fine. You should eat them. But then you have people that I follow going, well, it's not as simple as just LDL is like the bane of all our existence. If your LDL's high, you need to get on statins, and you do anything you can, including eating seed oils, to lower it. It turns out it might be more nuanced. And I think it's going to hit the Western medical community in about 10 years where they go,

hey, we're actually dropping where you just go to your doctor and they just look at your LDL, and if your LDL's high, you need to get on a statin, it's going to be like a heart health passport. So if your HBA1C is low and your triglycerides are low and your inflammatory biomarkers are low, if you have a good VO2 max, which is like the most basic shit,

you see Dr. Peter Atia talking about this bunch, like, oh, turns out, if your heart, if you can like run and you have decent cardio, turns out that's a really good biomarker for how well your heart health is going to be. So I think we're going to create this sort of passport of how healthy your heart is, and it's not just going to be LDL. So that's the main argument for seed oils is they lower LDL and saturated fat like butter, ghee, coconut oil, those raise LDL.

So thus avoid those and just eat the seed oils. And then you look into people like Dr. Tetsamori Yamashima. He's a neurosurgeon out of Japan. He's written papers on how he thinks, the consumption of heated seed oils can lead to Alzheimer's. You can look at a recent study where they compare the frying performance. They just heat up these different oils. And they heat up beef tallow, they heat up rice bran oil, and they heat up soybean oil, I believe.

And they found more benzodia pyrene, which is a carcinogen in the seed oils versus the tallow. So I just, like, I love olive oil. I feel like the seed oil community and the anti-seed oil community can find like common ground and extra virgin olive oil, which is a fruit. It's not a seed. And olives, bro, I mean, you can. can look at like old school olive oil production, which people still do, where, bro, you literally press olives with a spoon in a big thing and you will get olive oil. That's how simple it is. Or you can match seed oils and nicotine.

Seedoles and nicotine? Yeah, see? Brow Alzheimer's, but then fight the Alzheimer's. Yeah, that's true. Are you a big nicotine guy? Yeah. Oh, dude, I knew it. Fuck. No, you're just, a lot of people that have, like, demanding jobs, I would say, or just, like,

really on it or, like, on the nicotine. Yeah. I don't vape, though. That's good. Vaping is fucking... Yeah, vaping is clearly... Yeah, like, you're coating your lungs and, like, some, like, experimental shit. My thing with nicotine is...

Okay, one, they talk a lot about Alzheimer's. There has not been one study actually showing nicotine prevents or staves off Alzheimer's. There's some theoretical stuff. I find it interesting. Don't get me wrong. But it's like this... I am really skeptical that it's just big tobacco kind of rebranding itself, and they really push the, like,

newtropic effects of the zins. I know when you take a zin, you feel neutropic effects, right? Like, it's for sure. My worry isn't somebody that might occasionally use this stuff or, you know, whatever. My worry is how people are actually using it,

which is frat kids doing 10 pouches a day. I just did a podcast with Jack Neal. Shout out Jack Neal, and he's like hammering his caffeine. I'm like, you're in a lot of stimulants. He's like, he's on like 12 zins a day. And it's like, bro, you have this thing and you're getting an intense dopamine rise for sure. And all your neuropronephrine, your adrenaline are getting blasted up. That's why you feel

this like locked in focus when you take a zen. People are doing that at night. People are doing that before they sleep. You're going to blunt those dopamine receptors and you're going to need more nicotine to get that same effect. And then if you combine that with scrolling on reels for six hours a day like so many people are, I worry about just dopamine issues. And I think we see that in young people. You see this combination of basically it's called Anhedonia. Like you don't care about anything. Like young people like they don't care about anything. Nothing like peaks their interest.

Yet they have low level anxiety constantly. And I think that's literally a recipe for that. Zins and short form scrolling media. That's what you see with like almost every young person. You think you can be done in a in a good way? Yeah, maybe like a few milligrams in the morning. If I wore a Zin user, something like that and just kind of stick to that. You don't do it at night.

take some days and weeks off, you know, but still I'm not. And then there's like, this is definitely, we don't know this yet, but there is like an interesting PubMed paper, which is like a cell culture study. So it's like a little petri dish study where it says just nicotine is helping the proliferation of oral cancer cells. So that's like a slight concern for me. And it's like, ah, yeah, like why would I pick up this habit?

You know, like oral cancer's nasty, man. They got a soft people's jaws and shit. It gets dicey. So yeah, quit the, In worse than bone smashing, well, it's anti-bone smashing. When you look up somebody that has they get their jaw like they look, they don't look good. Yeah. Um, okay. So what do you think the number one thing someone can do for their overall health is? Like what's the best thing? Yeah. The best habit, best thing. The number one thing somebody can do for their health is a morning routine. Because like,

bro, if you're not starting off your day with basic stuff, like I wake up, I hydrate outside and I do like a mobility and stretching routine. And I've done that every single day for over a decade now. And I do it wherever. If I'm on a trip, I do it. This is, it's the most basic thing. It's free. Like I say I drink water with electrolytes in the morning, but just start, put a pinch

sea salt in some water, go outside, get light in your eyes, start to stimulate that cortisol and drink some water, hydrate yourself. Dude, people wake up and they don't drink water until 11 a.m. It's, so like you start out this good routine. Mobility, like, fix your posture. boom, like posture affects the actual affects your testosterone. Like we know this stuff.

Start there. It takes five to seven minutes. If you can't do that, then like you shouldn't look towards a supplement. You shouldn't look towards anything else, honestly. If you can't dial in the first seven minutes of your morning, you're fucked.

Yeah. Okay. What about, what do you think the number one supplement someone is, excuse me, the number one supplement that someone can take to benefit their health is? I think the number one supplement

is going to be magnesium. So, like, dude, I eat so healthy, bro. I think it's vitamin D. Well, vitamin D, yes, but you can, like, get it from the sun, you know? We sell vitamin D. I love vitamin D. Okay. But, like, magnesium, why I'm so big on that is I put my food sometimes into chronometer

and look at all the micronutrients and I eat very healthy. I will still fall a couple hundred milligrams short in magnesium. Just because the soil or food is grown in doesn't have as much magnesium, you know, like it's just tough sort of to get from the diet. And so I supplement it with a few hundred milligrams. of magnesium glycinate every day. It's really affordable. It's just easy, you know, and like, I think everybody should take it. Yeah, okay. And what are the top five supplements, you'd say? The top five supplements. So I have like two groups on this, but I'm going to tailor it for people

that work out because it's your podcast. I would assume people are working out. Hopefully. Like, it's dumb for me to say, but I don't care because I run the company. If you don't work out hard, you do not need to take electrolytes. Like I sell electrolytes, but they're built for people who work out. There's multiple studies on this. There's one of the Philadelphia Eagles, which I love talking about. It's football season where they're sweating out, like the big boys are sweating out 30 grams of sodium in a training camp day.

And the smaller people, still big guys, like quarterbacks, linebackers, running backs. They're sweating out seven to eight grams of sodium. So when you're working out, you're losing multiple grams. So I really like the good salt-based electrolyte where it's balanced with sodium, potassium, magnesium. I put vitamin D up there. I like taking vitamin D with K1 and K2. Yeah. Magnesium, I would put at number three.

Creatine at number four. If you're not taking creatine now, I don't know why. Like all the, it's the most studied supplement. It helps your brain health. Like, if people are vain and just watching it, it helps your skin health. Like, you have ATP in different organ systems. Your skin is your body's largest organ system.

It helps everything. It's so easy to take. It's so affordable. There's no reason to not take it. And then five, I would put that n-acetyl cystin. Okay. Isn't it crazy how creatine at one point? I swear to God, when I was,

16, they were like, that's a steroid? Oh, bro, my mom would take it away. I could take it away, we had to like sneak my creatine. You were probably doing the same shit. I was like a NO explode and all that. Yeah, dude. I would like take some NO explode. It's funny how things change. Like how the, I don't know, I don't know why back then it was like painted that way. Yeah. It was painted like a steroid. It was insane. It was coming more from like the bodybuilding community. Like I remember when I started lifting weights, like the bodybuilding stuff was like really prevalent. There wasn't as much of like, athletic, like, kind of training, hybrid training wasn't a thing. That's like the thing now.

People just run and lift weights and they're a hybrid athlete or whatever. But that's like a big thing now. But there just wasn't as much of that. So it was all like bodybuilder shit. But where did this, like why did it come? Why did, I guess because it was related to bodybuilding, they thought it was like a steroid. Yeah.

And it's like a powder. That like scared people. Like a white powder that you're taking. Like what like, yeah, that freaked a lot of people out. But protein was fine then. was a bad. That's essentially a white powder. Yeah, yeah, protein was fine. Yeah, like, I don't know, but yeah, I mean, creatine has so much research by now. It's so beneficial. Like, if you get one night of bad sleep, you can take 20 grams of creatine and offset, like, a lot of that.

Just mitochondrial health is going to be the next big thing in the next, you know, three to five years in health. Everyone's going to be talking about mitochondrial health. Koku10's a great supplement for that. There's mitochondrial peptides and stuff like that. A lot of people in, like, the jitsu community that we know are, like, blasting these mitochondrial peptides and And they're like, I have unlimited cardio. I don't know what that's in a cause and like 10 years for them. But they're beast. We've rolled with some of them.

And they don't stop. Our buddy was like, I take Motsie. I never get tired. And like he's like jacked. Like you were like, that's a problem, bro. Like you're that jacked and you never get tired. Like your body doesn't like. Never get tired doing jujitsu is insane.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the hardest thing. He did win like a world. He did get injured though. Shout out of Ian. But yeah. Yeah, he's a beast.

So yeah, it's going to be. interesting all this new peptide science. Yeah, the peptides for sure. It's getting crazy. I think what do you think are the, I mean, you personally, you've only done the, it sounds like the inflammatory one, the BPC 457. Yeah, I've done BPC and TB 500. I have like that blend. And I just got a bunch of blood work done. Like I was saying, like got some like results back. And I'm going to meet with this doctor who's like we had in the podcast that's really pro like peptide and hormones, but he's an MD. I feel like he's really intelligent with this stuff. Like I had him on to bring some like a voice of reason or at least expertise for the whole clav thing.

Because like clav's pretty smart, man. And like a lot of what he says is like, you know, it makes sense, you know, and he has like the research to back. A lot of the safety stuff with peptides and even testosterone. Like he'll say something that's fair to say like, oh, like the current research shows like TRT like is not dangerous. It's like 100% bro, but there is not a study on a 14 year old taking TRT because it wouldn't get approved. Right. You can't do that. So it's all kind of theoretical.

So, yeah, we had on this doctor to kind of break stuff down. And I chose somebody that's very pro-peptide and pro-hormone disorder. And, yeah, like, he was saying, bro, like, he was like, if you're a teenager, you don't even need to do all the stuff I talk about. He's like, if you sleep well, eat enough and lift some weights and maintain, like, relatively, like, low body fat, not like crazy low body fat, just like somewhere in the middle, you'll have high test 100%. So, yeah, you don't need to go on test.

Yeah. it's like I guess I don't know there's that like there's an obsession that sort of happened around the younger generation to like have everything now I think it's like also in just relationship to the social media world yeah because it's like everything so much more accessible I think that which I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing um I mean I think it's a testosterone thing at a super young age is probably likely a bad thing then again there aren't studies on it so yeah you know probably fertility wise it's certainly probably a bad thing for sure yeah and like you can like restart that process but yeah you better be getting like some lab work done like i don't know

it just seems a little complex for me but yeah man you're right people just want instant results bro like a teenager will see you flexing in the gym and zoo coachman like i want that how do i get that quick and like they don't know like you've been lifting for i'm guessing a very long time yeah and but they just they want it now bro and i get that i get where that comes from i have some empathy for that, but it's like, don't fuck up your body, bro. Like, and you do see, like, a lot of bodybuilders that go hard with stuff dying young. And that might not be, because of testosterone, it might be because of a combination of, you know, a lot of gear, you know, maybe some alcohol use, whatever it is.

But it's like, I have heard young people in the looks maxing space be like, I don't care. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. Like, I don't, like, living past, like, I don't, I just want to, like, go hard now. And, like, I can assure them. You could probably assure them, too. It's like, bro, I'm 33. There is zero chance. I would be like okay dying at age 40.

Like, no, absolutely not. Like, life is dope. And life does get kind of cool when you're in your 30s. Like, if you, like, put some effort into life and go hard and you have a good friend group and you have, you know, good relationships, it's one of the most fun times in life. Because now you actually have the money to do shit that your friends talked about when you guys were 18, 19 years old. I'm trying out now. I'm sure you've experienced a lot of that.

Yeah. It's so funny. just know life a little better. You're not in kind of this like panic anxiety state. And I'm sure we both were in like our early 20s. It just life. And it's so fun. And like I feel like people like view being like 30 or 40 as like, oh, like I don't care about if I'm dead. If I had a good. It's like you won't be like that. You won't think that. I agree. 100% agree. I mean, my early 20s. Yeah. I mean, I was obviously building all this stuff that I have now. But man, my levels of anxiety was like through the fucking roof, man. And now it's just like completely gone.

Yeah. Like non-existent almost. I'd have to take like a bunch of stimulants to be like, oh shit, wait, it's back. Yeah. But it's gone, man. And I'm not going to lie, when I was in it, I was like, this is going to be the rest of my life. I thought for sure that like I was going to always just do this like fucking wave feeling of like good, bad, good bad, good bad.

And man, that shit is gone. So you're right. There is like there does come a point, I think, where everything just feels more manageable. And I think if you set yourself up like you're saying, just like, I get that idea that, you know, I'm here for a good time, not a lot. And we are. We are that way. Like humans are, our life is, you know, in the grand scheme of things, very finite. But you're right. You do get to a point where everything is a little bit more relaxed. You can enjoy more of what you probably could have enjoyed throughout, but you were clouded with anxiety or bullshit or whatever, whatever is going on in your life that you're like building. And the thing, too, I think people forget to realize. is that the thoughts and the feelings and like the like the anxiety itself it's also a driving factor and it's also like you you shouldn't try to always avoid it you shouldn't try to numb it it is actually what got me further in my life than than not right because it was the thing that made me worry about all the little details or it was the thing that made me like second guess what

I was doing so that I would have a better idea to do something better the next time so it did benefit me 100% dude this I was thinking about this recently bro I did this post where I was like, and it went like a little viral where I was like, hey, like, basically like no young people are getting married. They don't want to be in relationships. You know, they say there's like no good woman out there that like the stats are against them and everything. And like my post was just like, like I met my wife when I was young before I'd like any of

the social media shit. And my post is like, if you can find like a good woman out there, I know it's hard to find guys. If you can find one when you're young, like you shouldn't just like give that shit up to like, you know, just like be in. like hook up culture and like find the next like best thing like if you build something with somebody when you're younger it actually feels amazing and like my wife you know met me when i worked at papa johns liverin pizzas bro like and now we built all this together and it's like it's a beautiful thing

and i feel like a lot of the young generation in like the comment section there like people are just like no you don't get it the stats are this the stats are that and i'm like bro like if you just live your life based on like what the stats are like you're fucked like the stats are going to be successful, the stats that you're going to be even happy are cooked against you. And if you look at that info and you just give the fuck up, like, I just, I don't know. I don't have like respect for that at all. And like people in this kind of community we're talking about, well, look at somebody like you and what you just said in logo, no, you can't relate to me because you are successful, Brad.

Look at you right now. Look at where you are right now. And just like, they'll write off your opinion because of where you are right now. When it's like, what the fuck, what the fuck were the odds of you creating all this? Well, that's, well, that's also. Like, it's not, it's not even like a. But even to look at where someone is right now and go, you don't get me is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.

Because that's my, my entire life amounted to this. Like, I didn't, I didn't just wake up one day, here I am, I'm this guy and I have all this shit. Like, I went through everything that I went through to actually be here.

Yeah. I spent my whole entire fucking childhood, wondering if I was like good enough to, like, why I didn't have a father? Why did he kill himself? Why did he hang himself? Why does that kid have a fucking dad?

And why does he get to watch his son go across the stage and my dad's not here? Like I spent my whole childhood obsessing about death like because my dad took his life when I was six. Thinking like what's the point of life and am I going to die? How am I going to die? Why am I here? Yeah. Obsessing over this shit. It's like, of course you don't see that because I don't talk about it every single time. I've talked about it countless times.

Yeah. Good a number of times on the internet. But yeah, of course someone's going to see something that I say or something that you say and be like, yeah, of course, well, you don't get it because you have. But now, I've seen this shit on Twitter. I've seen this shit in the comments. Like I even had a dude at one point. I've told this story before on Twitter.

Someone was like, yo, you got to message this guy because he was talking about like offing himself. And I hit him up on Twitter. And I was like, yo, hit me up. And he's like, you don't get it. Your life's great. And I'm like, bro, like, that's only what you see. And like, ironically enough, this guy was going to take his life.

Years later came to my gym, told me he didn't take his life because he's going to take a bunch of pills. He hits me up like every year. saying like Merry Christmas because he has a daughter now and his life is better and he has a good job. And he was the same person who was like, yeah, fuck you. You know, your life's great. Fuck you. And he didn't see, because you don't see it. And it makes sense because those people who leave those comments and those people who speak like that, they only are seeing everyone else's sort of success and they're just comparing it to their own like where they're at and they're mad and they're

angry. A hundred, dude, 100%. And you're saying like, bro, when I started seeing like, um, some some of your content, it's so funny, these algorithms work. Sometimes algorithms can be beneficial, bro. Like, my dad passed away when I was, when I was older, when I was 27, and it, it was just brutal. Like, it, like, almost, like, broke me or, like, I got a window into, like, oh, I can see how this can just, this can break me. Like, so many days, just driving to the hospital, like, he struggled with alcoholism, so, like, I would bring him to, like, the hospital. you like detox from alcohol. And like, I could totally see how I'm like,

I could leave here right now and just like really kind of fuck my life up, like self-sabotage. And I actually started getting a lot of your content talking about your dad, probably because I'm looking stuff up about my dad. And, you know, it's a different situation, but a lot of the stuff you talked about was really beneficial. Like really beneficial, bro. Like, that's why I told you that.

Like when I first met you, I was like, bro, like, thank you for speaking about that stuff. And the point of the matter is, bro, it's like, especially this young generation, bro, like I empathize with them and that's why I like doing a lot of content with them. Like, I get like it's fucking hard, but like that's the point. That's literally the point. None of the shit's going to be easy. Getting girls and feeling like you look good is never going to be easy.

It doesn't happen for anybody. Having success and like, yes, the economy is fucked. There's no jobs. Like, it's always going to be that way. It's never going to be fucking easy. And like, you see all these. kid just, you know, even clap, bro, he says all these stats. Like, don't you know that like, you know, uh, whatever it is, like, a 90% of women date 20% of

men and this. And it's like, all right, then be in the other fucking percent. Like, if something's not impossible, like, I just view it as like, you know, you should get the fuck after it and do it. And like, I don't know, man. I'm super passionate about that. And like, yeah, it's, it's the, I mean, it's the internet. I just point blank period.

It's social media. It's the comparison of someone else. this life based on your and then you look at your life like that's what is causing like the not not the stats and not like these numbers but that's what's causing the the upset and the uproar and the anger is that you know every day you can go on your phone and see like oh this streamer his life is so easy he makes all this money or this 20 year old or this 19 year old made all this crypto money and you see all this people and they got this guy's a Lambo and I'm 19 and I don't have shit and I live here with my mom or whatever like that's what's happening on a mass scale so then

you have this like perception of what life and what you think it should be. And it's not your life. Yeah. And so you're mad. And then you highlight all the stats and the things and you go, oh, this is why I don't have this. It's because of those numbers. And yet at the end of the day, like you said, and like I think we all really do know truly is that it's not supposed to be easy.

It's not going to be easy. this is fucking life. The point is to fucking deal with shit. The point is to have pain and to go through it because you wouldn't have anything good. You wouldn't appreciate the good. Nothing would feel good if you didn't know what it was like to be shitty. 100%.

And so everything I have in my life is because my life was shitty. It was fucking terrible at one point. Like I have thoughts of suicide. I'm like, what's the point of life? Like I've gone through all of these different things in my life. And like my life's amazing now. But I still, even now have moments where I'm like, I told you where I was like trying to keep it good.

And I still have moments. where I'm down. I still have moments where I'm up. That's what being a human being is. So like we are not wired biologically for pure happiness. People always say this shit, dude. Like in 2026, I just want to be happy. What do you really mean by that?

Because none of us are going to be happy all the time. You would be a mentally insane person. Your brain doesn't have that in you. Like we come from brutal, brutal ancestry. We literally come from hunter gatherers. Homo sapiens or hunter gathers most of the time we've been 99.9% of the time we've been here. And we have that same biological reward mechanism. So you shouldn't chase happiness. You should, you should chase like being content and of course being happy. But like when I have moments

from sad or I'm stressed or something's going on, I try to find the background like peace in that. And that like, damn, like I am sad right now. Like I'm having like this. But like you find like the love of like all the emotions of life. Like that's really what makes life worth living. And so many people, bro, I just want to be happy. I'm chasing happiness. Like, for sure, I get it. But you should chase like, I don't know, real shit, which is just like being able to experience everything in life.

Like that, it's more like a contentness and peace that you want versus I want to be happy all the time. Like, you're fucked. Yeah, well, happiness all the time isn't realistic. I think it's, it's also like chasing something that you feel like you could actually, not that you feel like you could actually succeed at it, but chasing something that you have genuine care of. Yeah.

And I think I think nowadays it's hard because, like I said, just because I'm telling you, I keep going back to the fucking internet, but it's just way easier for people, and it's even back then, like, when we were younger, it was like reality TV and like people's lifestyles. It's just way easier to get wrapped up

in the negative side of things. 100%. So our brains are wired for that. Yeah. And so I think that you got to recognize that first. And it sounds so stupid, but like in the moment like let's say you get on your phone you're like mad about something you see something it makes you upset or it makes you feel like hopeless or whatever the feeling is

it sounds so so like hippie-ish but you just have to like take a moment and like almost like retrain that whatever that thought that comes out it's like man man fuck them you should you got to like pause it and be like listen to your inner dialogue and go like hold on i can still get this if i wanted it 100%. It's that fucking simple in that fucking moment. And you just have to have that same mindset every time. And it's not, like I said, you're not going to do it every single time. Your girl's going to piss you off. You're going to be mad.

You're going to say something you didn't want to say. But like, you have to stop and go, okay, hold on a second. How do I really want this to be? Not just like, what's my perception of someone else's life or my perception of this like perceived problem? And it's, you got to like retrain it. You got to reframe it. And I think that one little thing, if you could just do that consistently day in, day out, more than not.

And even sometimes not even necessarily more than not, just like a few times and just start to build that habit, that's how you really like overcome anything. Yeah. And people, they don't train that muscle in their brain. They just go, fuck you, this happened. My life's like this. That's it. Sometimes they'll have a little pushback, be like, nah, you know, maybe they have a little more testosterone

because they've been working out and they're like, fuck it. I'm going to get it. But you just need to have that, that sort of mindset in you, no matter where you're at in your life. And I just wish more people understood that. A hundred percent, man. And I think a lot of it's actually bleeding into like a lot of young people don't have confidence in the United States of America. And they kind of don't like America. And it also coincides with this belief of hating all rich people. I like, dude, I mean, I'll admit, I fell into this and I was like 18 years old. We went to like a protest in Berkeley one time. I'm like, you know, like, eat the rich and everything.

What the problem with this is like, the reality is like I wanted to make money. I wanted to be successful. And I viewed it as something that was so difficult to do and unattainable that my brain went to like, well, I hate all these people. We should, we should, you know, like they're bad. And then like later in life, when I started to, I don't know, get more wisdom and like more dialed in, I went, oh, wait, I can just achieve a lot of these things. And there's a big like thing going on in the United States. now where a lot of the young generation, they just don't, they're not like financially participating in the United States. They don't own stocks. They don't own real estate. They don't,

they don't own anything. So then they go to sort of hating like the United States and the very values that it stands for. I think it's super dangerous. I think it's a really like dangerous ideology to have. And there's more and more of it lately. And it's kind of fucked. I don't even have a solution for it or like, you know, anything like it's kind of scary. Yeah, this is a good. I mean, dude, I could talk about this shit for hours, but all right, guys, Quick and rush for the podcast, Factor Meals, if you guys are trying to in this new year, actually make a change in your body, actually make a change in the way that you look, trying to build muscle, trying to burn fat.

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Oh, for sure. But, but then my problem when I even think of that solution is just like, and then let's say we got all these, let's say, let's say there was theoretically, let's say there's 5,000 politicians. You got rid of every single one of them and then you put 5,000 more in. There's just this human nature thing that is going to happen. Yeah, they want money more. It's almost like becomes the same

thing just in what time. It's almost like maybe we need some sort of like thing that is going to stop it, which based on the constitution should be the people, right? But we the people have become so helpless to this like structure that I guess people don't really understand that or recognize that at this point, where they just feel hopeless because like there's been no winning. Yeah. But yeah, we just need like a complete reset of like what this is.

Dude, people need to be stoked to be American again. And like, or they need to actually realize, like, how great this country is. And like, whenever I talk about this, people will still say in the comments, like, no, like, there's a little country in Europe that functions better. And I've done posts being like, let's look at the top 15 countries. Can you pull this up, actually? Can you look up top 15 countries by population? Okay. So when you look at these countries, because people always bring up some obscure little country and be like, oh, well, this one functions better.

We need to, like, talk in reality and look at the actual population numbers because it's a different thing managing, you know, know, 330 million people versus four million people. Like some of these countries have less people than, um, than like some of our states. Where else would you want to live out of this list? Do you want to live in India and raise a family? No.

No, not really. No, love my Indians. I'm not. I, no, I'm good.

China. Hold on. I got to address India real quick. Please do. Um, I'll wait. Yeah. So this is not,

this is a personal grievance, but, uh, someone in India completely. ripped off my gym franchise. And it's called Zoo Culture Gym in India. And it kind of ripped off the logo as well. So whoever owns that gym, fuck you.

Okay, I can find them. You're a fucking scumbag. So I am half Indian. My mom was born in India. A lot of people don't believe that. But it's true. I filmed content with her and my grandma. She was born in India.

Look, Google, click another tab. Open another tab. I want you to see this with your own eyes. Dude, that's so funny. Type in Zoo Culture, India. Zoo Culture, Jim, India. Zoom in on that. Dude, that's crazy.

bro. Hey. Look at this. This someone, I opened the gym, someone in India was like, I'm going to steal this guy's brand entirely. Fuck him. Yeah. Fuck you, you motherfucker. Awbenish Guadam. Yeah. Go, no, no, that's just who posted. Click out. We're going to see the address.

The address. The address is fuck. Panchukla Hariana. Banchukha Hariana, India. Thank you. And I can do that because my mom's Indian. It's not racist. Okay. You can be racist against Fuck that motherful.

Whoever the fuck open that gym, fuck you. Hey, 4.7 rating, Albert, maybe we'll go there. Howie got a better rating to me? It's because I got all the fucking haters,

bro. Yeah, you got all the haters. Yeah. Oh, God, damn it. Okay,

sorry, go ahead. Well, yeah, like you look at this list of countries, bro, there's nowhere in the top 15

that you would rather live and raise a family and work and start a gym. There's nowhere. Nigeria, no. You know, Bangladesh,

no. Philippines. I mean, it's cool, but no. Egypt, a lot of issues going on there. There's none. Okay, so the United States is the best place. And I feel like people, I get we have a lot of shit we need to work on here. But like for young people, just like not being proud to be an American or constantly talking about all the issues we have here, it's like, bro, we have issues in the United States, but at least we can talk about it. Go talk about the issues politically in China.

What will happen to you? Yeah. You'll go missing, bro. Like, it's the sad part, I agree with you. The sad part about it seems like America is part of the way it functions is by just division. Yeah. So part of the way it functions and what makes America America, which is the sad part, I think, is that it is supposed to get everyone to be like almost like fuck this place,

even though it's the greatest place. No, we should like constantly want to improve it. I mean, you saw like the Somali daycare thing. I think that got people just up in an uproar because, you know, they're over here like struggling, like, you know, paycheck to paycheck, and then they see, like, a lot of their tax money just diverted to these things. It was astonishing even to see people try to defend it in multiple ways. Like, I saw a liberal left news organization this morning be like, well, we actually went to four out of six or to six of the daycares, and only two of them were closed.

And they're using that as a defense. Like, they're still closed after all this media uproar. Then they're showing footage of the four that were open after all this shit happened. And it just looked like, like, okay, you got like a few. Somali kids in here after this whole shit popped off. And it's just, it's frustrating for people because they're spending so much money in the United States. Nobody can buy a house anymore that's young. The average age of buying a home, I think is like 42 years old where it used to be like

23. Yeah. And so they just don't feel like they're like participating in it. So then they start to think like, well, fuck the United States. And I'm just worried, man, because we have really dumb stuff that's being planned, like this billionaire tax in California, which sounds really cool, right? Like, I get it, bro. I get why people hear this and they go,

this sounds great. Yeah, let's take the billionaire's money. But the problem is, this has been done before in places like France, and it doesn't work. Because what happens is when you institute this heavy tax on billionaires, they leave. And so you, like the ones that stay,

you can look it up, actual breakdown, they ended up losing $5 billion. And how much money they lost long term is immense, because these billionaires just went, We're not going to live there. And so I get it. Like, yeah, I think billionaire should pay more taxes and stuff and all that.

But if you're going to institute a program that actually creates a worse situation for a state like California, then you're dumb. Then you're just harming the people. And people are going to support it because it sounds cool, but it's not going to work. Well, the thing is like it could work. The reason why none of this stuff does work is because the organizations themselves are all broken. like the the government is broken like the way that you know how how in the last fucking what they say the last eight years the fucking pentagon has failed every audit they've lost billions and billions and billions and all it's like you know we could talk about the Somali fraud

thing whatever but it's the whole thing and then remember Elon Musk comes in he does those like oh there's all this fraud and all this waste everywhere and then it's just kind of like goes quiet nothing happens it's like there's no penalties that's the biggest problem to the people, the literal humans who have been involved in all these fraud things or you know, what, you know, what politicians is signing off on the Somali fucking leering center like who's saying yes to this or whatever, right? Yeah, no, that's the issue. You're right. It's the, there's no penalties for any of these like misdoings. It's just like, it's very obvious that it's like some either high level

CEO or business person or someone in some company is like, yo, bro, like we'll pay you some money. not in this fraud case for the government money to like the Somali cases but like these giant you know organizations that are putting money in politicians' pockets to like pass this or to not look at that or to go over that way it's so obvious that it's just humans that are just taking advantage of a system to benefit themselves and it's just happened for so many years and it's stacked and it's it's so layered and then there's no consequences ever and that's why we're That's why we're here. Yeah.

Like so if you go, yeah, just tax the billionaires. It's like, what? So they get more money to just go fucking pay that other guy and that other politician to go fuck up this and that and to go make himself rich? Like, yeah. Like, it's not so much where are we getting the money from. It's like what they've been doing with the money and how it's been organized. Like I don't understand how the IRS can go exactly if you owe them like $600 or not, but they can't, they can't quantify fucking anything properly because they don't give a fuck about anything on that side.

They only care about what they're taking from us. 100%. It's like you fix the fucking system, you fucking scumbacks. I fucking hate. I love America. I hate our motherfucking government. I hate it. Yeah, it is.

Dude, especially in California, bro, we've spent $24 billion on the homeless problem. Bro, we're building a, dude, Gavin Newsom gets on the fucking TV like 20 years ago. He's like, we're going to build this fucking train. And it's going to go from San Francisco to L.A.

And they got tons of billions of dollars. And nothing has happened. And he's been talking about that shit like 20 years ago. Yeah. Like what the fuck are we doing? Like why did we, why was there money allocated to that that this project and it's just,

is just gone? Like there's so many instances of that where it's just like, bro, how much money did you put in your bank account to say, we're going to build this thing and then that fucking contracting company was like, yo, bro, here, send us the money.

We got you. We'll send you some money back here. Like that's what's happening. A hundred percent. Like go fuck yourself. You can own another house in Napa or winery. Whatever. It's like,

bro, God damn obvious. Yeah. I would love to interview these motherfuckers and say, like, what's happening? 100%. They would never say, yeah, bro, I fucking stuff my body. No. More money.

Fucking scumbaggum motherfucker's, man. Yeah, Gavin Newsom is the number one guy of rules for the not for me. I mean, during COVID, he told everybody to not work. I mean, you know, like the zoo culture stuff. Like, I mean, you were like a main thing during it. But, I mean, literally, meanwhile, he's had a three Michelin Star Restaurant with his boys. Like, if you can't see through that as an American and you can't see through that dude, then I don't know what to tell you. You know, and like, you know, the amount of money we've spent on the homeless problem is absurd.

And it doesn't, my issue is like, I have immense, like, empathy for them, but the systems in place don't work. So I tried to get a dude. I had a video go viral with a drug addict and SF. And I was like, all right, like, let me help this dude, you know. And so we bring him to a rehab. He's like, all right, I'll be down to get clean. I'm currently addicted to fentanyl in the tenderloin. SF.

Drive them to rehab. I'm like, this isn't easy, bro. There's rehabs every other block in SF. There's so many. Go in there, go, hey, I got this guy. He wants to get clean. They go, um, actually he needs to be cleaned to even enter here. I go, but he's a current fentanyl addict.

What's going on? That's not going to happen. Everybody on the street here is a fentanyl addict. They're not going to enter this facility clean. It's so hard to detox from it. They go, yeah, well, that's the system we run here. I go, that's weird. Go to the next one.

Same thing. Go to the next one. Same thing. I go, oh, this is a scam. These people are sitting here. It's an empty office. There's nobody going in there because it's not serving the actual issue on the streets of the tenderloin. They're paying themselves $250 grand.

They do fundraisers. They get government money. It is a joke. Then we go to one that says that they can help them, you know, detox. They go, cool. So there's no beds, but we'll give him a call in two weeks. I'll give him a call. He doesn't have a cell phone.

They go, he, like, wrote down some, like, number here. It wasn't, it was just like a scribble number. I'm like, so what, what's going on? You weren't going to reach out to them. They're like, well, we have a team that'll go look for him on the streets in two weeks if that number didn't work. So what is it? It's a joke.

It's a joke. Setting up fucking ghost businesses to collect government funding? Absolutely. A hundred percent. I think Nick Shirley should look into like this stuff in SF. There's all these rehab centers and they just, they have so many beds open because people are not going to detox from fentanyl, which is the prevalent drug on the streets right now in California and other cities

and go into these rehabs. But they get charity money. They get government grants because they're running rehab centers. But the rehab center isn't serving actual people. It's a joke. It's insane. So it's like, so who's who like, like I understand there's obviously. these ways to receive money,

which is how they're receiving the money. They're like applying for it to get the grant, whatever. Is it just complete like idiocracy where they're just no one's checking? No one cares. It's such a lack of oversight. That's the thing. Like I did a post about the small thing. I'm like,

I don't hate the Somalian people. I actually am like somebody's going to take advantage of the system if there is a way to take advantage of it. Like COVID when everyone got all the fucking money for the fucking businesses. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I'm going to take advantage of loophole.

So like, yeah, this. current loophole in the California system is, yeah, you start a rehab, and as long as you check the boxes, if you are a rehab, you can get money, and you can pay people, you can pay employees, you can expense a car, you can, are you running a business, you know, like, good, like here we go. And there's just lack of oversight. So there's nobody stepping and being like, wait, this isn't working because people aren't able to like be off fentanyl, you're required, someone in the place is asked, okay, he just needs an ID. An ID, bro, like, immense respect for the people in the Tyndall and S.F. But some of this dude was like well-spoken and stuff. Some of them are so far gone.

So how do we help these people? Fill out a form? Bro, a lot of them aren't even like, they can't do that. So we have, it's a joke. It actually really frustrated me. Nick Shirley should do an S.F like a investigation. Yeah, I'm going to have them on the pot. I'll bring that up. But I, it's like on the back end, right? Because it can't just be the person who's trying to set up that business that's doing the fraud themselves. I mean, they are doing the fraud themselves, but what I wonder what the layer is behind it that is like the incentive for that money to even be there at some point. Who made the money for the money to be there? Yeah, I don't even know. It's like a revolving door, bro. It's like, hey, if we get these grants,

then we get this money, then, you know. Maybe, maybe, again, maybe I don't know enough about it, but maybe it's state is getting federal money to have like grant money to give, you know, to these places. That's why Americans are so pissed because it does come back to our money. Some of these daycare centers, are funded through federal tax dollars. So even if you're not in Minnesota, some of your money is going towards it. Yeah, so I just wonder who's the motherfucker, who's the politician that got that, like,

I don't know if because they're mayor or because they're like city councilmen. I don't know who these people are that are like signing off these things. I just know those motherfuckers are cash and checks somehow off the money being there. The Minnesota mayor was jumping up and down waving a Somali flag speaking Somalian. Like it's like it's so in our faces.

I think that's why people are just like, Fuck this. Yeah. Next election's gonna be crazy, bro. I feel like it's so divided. And like, you know, I kind of like, you know, like not getting too much into politics, but I also like it because it's like it's fascinating to me. And like I want people like I was saying to at least be fans of the country that they're living in

and realize the United States is cool. You can make it here. It takes a lot of work. But like, like we pulled up that list. Like it's the way the world is right now, man. I get trying to like have a utopia and like work on the United States, but it doesn't exist right now. That's the reality. United States is pretty fucking cool at all those countries.

No, don't get me wrong. I love it. I just wish we got rid of everyone who was in charge. Well, that's an American thing to do to criticize it and be like, we need to make it better. Yeah, we got to get rid of everyone, man. And just fucking, like, I wonder who the next, who are going to be the people who are, they let in, they put in and that actually make the difference. Your boy, your boy Newsom over here who you hate.

I don't like Gavin Newsom. He's in a run for president. Yeah. And he might win. Yeah, it seems that way. Well, hopefully we don't have another pandemic, man. He'll shut down the whole country. I'm going to be at French laundry now, though.

Now I got money newsome. So I'm going to be there eating with you, I guess. But yeah, man, it's crazy. He's definitely a rules for the not for me, guys. It's concerning. Yeah. I don't know if it ever, I don't know where it goes, man. It is definitely, uh, it's one of those things for me.

I think that's like slowed down, which is sad, I think, my own personal, my own personal life in the way where I've just been hesitant because I really want to have kids. I've been more hesitant to even do that. not just because of my own fucking personal problems, but just the way the world is gone. I'm like, man,

this is, this is fucking weird. It is. It's definitely a weird time. And that's why, yeah, like in my personal life, I just try to,

like, focus on like, these things that make me stoked. You know what I mean? And like, I make a significant effort to do them like a lot, like, whatever it might be surfing.

Like, we got another little dog. You have a lot of dogs. So you're, you're in on this. Like, because it's like, that's just like joy.

You know what I mean? Like, I was like, should I get another dog? I'm like, wait, yeah, like, absolutely. Like, that's, like, one of those joyful things in life that, like, just do more of that. And you just kind of create your own little community, man,

and, like, do what you can. That's, like, the method to live life. And health is such a part of that, bro. Like, if you're not healthy in some way, you don't have to be, you know, as nerdy as I am about it. But if you're not healthy, you don't feel good. Like, you literally, like, we know this now. Like, your neurotransmitters are made from building blocks,

like, that you eat. Like, food that you eat goes to your brain and makes dopamine, serotonin, all these things. things. So it's like, yeah, like if you're not healthy, you're not going to feel good. Then if you don't develop the activities that make you feel good, you're just fucked. So you think the most important base of all this is definitely going to be health. It's definitely going to be diet. Health and faith. Like that's literally like that can get you so far and discipline,

a bit discipline up there. Are you a religious guy? Yeah, I'm Christian. Yeah. Yeah. I believe in Jesus Christ. I read my Bible. I love all that stuff. The Bible's fascinating. And it provides me a lot of to like just like good lessons you know i'm getting way more into it lately i don't know man as i get older like i just i'd rather open up a bible verse or two read that spend some time my wife go surf and just find peace like it just makes me happy you know like me bro yeah like that's the way you should have kids though man i know i'm planning having kids like next i don't know year two years so man you have kids and our kids can go surf they can go mountain bike it's so funny how we're

From the Bay, it's hilarious. Oh, dude, yeah. Do you go back up there a good amount? Kind of rarely. I mean, normally just travel for work. The last time I was up there was for, I went to Christmas last year just to see my whole family. Yep. So when I go up there, it's really just to see, like, my mom.

Same here. My mom still lives up there. My brother lives up there. I just did a meet up in the Bay. That was dope. Had a bunch of people out there. I like it a lot, but dude, living down in San Diego where I live now, so much better. Yeah, San Diego's fucking nice, man.

Yeah, it is. And like, you know, like, dude, it's, what we're just talking about with Newsom, bro, we grew up going to SF all the time. I saw it get worse and worse and worse. I don't care about what the media says that, oh, well, the stat show that the crime's actually down. Bro, it's because people don't report the crime in SF. At some point, you get your car smashed so many times. There's nothing that can be done.

You just get your car smash. You go to the window shop. You don't go to the police. What do you want us to do, bro? You're the 90th person today. And I just saw SF get worse and worse, and it was a bummer. And now, like, we live near this park. that's on the beach in San Diego.

And when we went down to look at places and everything, we went to this park, beautiful beach, grass. And I looked at my boy right here. I was like, yo, if this was in the bay, there would be 10 dudes injecting fentanyl right here. It's just true. It's just the facts of like the matter. Like they just don't give a fuck up there.

So. Yeah, it's, I don't understand why, though. It's such a beautiful place. Such an amazing place. It's gorgeous, bro. Oh my God. Santa Cruz, one of the most gorgeous places on Earth.

But yeah, I just, I love San Diego. You need to move down to San Diego, man. That's the movement. You have a kid. You can do all this out of San Diego, man. Make Zuculture, San Diego. Yeah, I do.

I've always wanted to do that. That is something I would do. Zuculture, San Diego specifically. But I don't know if I want to, I struggle with this a lot where I want to live in the long run. Like, I like, I love California, but it's just, it's the politics here. I can't, I can't fucking do it. I can see you kind of in Texas. You like all this is trucks and shit.

But yeah, but then I can't like. You don't get the mountains. Yeah. You never get what you can get anywhere else. I don't think in the world, like all in one place like in California. I mean, I think everyone kind of knows that with the beaches and the mountains. And you can do everything. It's in a few hours.

But that's the main thing that keeps me here. It is like, damn, it is such like a fucking paradise. It is, bro. We should do a video where we have done it before, but you would love it where we surf, get on that flight or get in the sprinter and then snowboard. Like that, you can't do that anywhere else. Like surf and then snowboard one day. Imagine a live stream like that.

That would be sick. that's the type of shit that we're going to be doing that would be a gnarly live stream it would be a long live stream that's for sure yeah you stuff to serve i did it in santa cruz i surfed at like you know dawn patrol 7 a m and then yeah it was in taho and then boom like last tracks you know snowboard it was cool i would do that i would do that man well fuck i appreciate you coming on man is there anything else for the people listening who made this far they're probably like super engaged super excited. Absolutely. Where can they find you? Plug your shit. Like whatever, whatever you want to do. Yeah, totally. I'm Santa Cruz Medicinals on all social media. You can find me there. And then our brand is

Santa Cruz Paleo. Yeah. I'd say the best place to get it is Amazon. They just have the shipping so dialed in. You get two-day shipping on Amazon. But yeah, I mean, I'm going to start streaming on Twitch. Stoked for that. I can't wait for that. And you know, just stay healthy, stay happy. Stay stoked. I appreciate you, both. Thank you. We're going to go to the gym. We're going to train now. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. No, it's been a pleasure, man. You're fucking awesome. Absolutely.

Thank you so much for it. Yeah. I appreciate it, dude.