RAWTALK - Sean Sharaf On His WILD UFC Upset, Meeting Joe Rogan & Becoming More Than A Fighter

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

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It's so funny. So for those you don't know, obviously you just, You came off of a massive, like a completely, the most underdog situation ever. This thing might be the biggest upset in UFC history for sure. Yeah, that's what I see it everywhere. I'm just like, biggest upset, biggest upset. How do you feel? Oh, I'm on top of the world, man.

Everything I've worked for for for so long, man. And it just feels like it just happened to exactly the way it was supposed to happen. Yeah. Well, proud of you, man. Blessings. It's interesting because you message me like, Oh, September 6th. You messaged me September 6th.

So the fight was what? On the 20th? The 19th. The 19th, yeah. So like two, I guess it's maybe whatever, two weeks, whatever it was. September 6th and you're like, you sent me a photo of me and you 10 years ago. Yeah. And I look at this photo and I'm like, oh, I do remember meeting you.

Yeah. I do remember meeting you. Did you mention at the time to me that you were going to be a fighter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I remember I told you. I was like, yeah, man, I'm going to be a UFC fighter. because I remember you had remembered I was with Mike Rashid all the time and you had seen me like in some of his videos and yeah I just been I was following you I was telling you like since you had the viral video jumping out the pool like you've been you've been you've been oh gee that you been before fitness vlogs and all that shit was cool you know so um yeah I was just I'm

I pulled up to that zoo culture opening grand opening you had yeah and um yeah fucking had a good was that that was that that was the day it opened it was day it open yeah yeah because marcelle was there and yeah and they had the Everyone was there. That was the first one. Because you have, yeah, open a new one since, yeah, we have a new one in Encino now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a cool moment, though, because I saw that, I saw the message. And then I, like,

looked at your page, because I didn't see your page probably really ever, right? Maybe when you tag me that photo originally. Yeah, yeah. But so much has changed.

So prior to meeting, prior to that day, more so for you, 10 years ago, were you already into fighting? Yeah, yeah. So I got out the Marines in 2018.

and like that was my goal. Like I was like, what am I going to do when I get out? I was like, I'm going to be a UFC fighter. And like I got out of 2019. I was just like pursuing that for the past like eight years. And yeah. So, and you were a Marine, right? Yes, sir.

You were a Marine for six years. Six years. Five and a half. What did you do specifically in the Marines? So I started off. I was supposed to be a recon, infantry Marines. So it was basically like kind of like special forces.

And I failed, I basically failed the training. So I went through infantry school. And I went to the special forces school. failed that training got recycled and I ended up doing embassy duty which is basically like in any foreign country you go to there's usually a united states embassy yeah it's considered a u.s soil and inside there you'll see a marine on duty and he's there to like we control like for the ambassadors any kind of diplomats the doors protection kind of stuff yeah like exactly like we have top secret clearances and like we do like cool stuff yeah where did you do any of that stuff anywhere yeah so

i was stationed in my first uh was in uruguay in south america And then I went to Africa. I did Mozambique. Then my last duty station was Madrid. And like in between now, I went to Germany. I went to Rome. I was like, you bounced around all over the place once you're in the...

Were you training? Obviously, because I know when I mentioned you were in shape, but were you training fighting during this time? Yeah. So I first made the decision. So basically like when I first joined the Marines, I swear if they would have offered me a 20-year contract, I would assign that.

Like my whole identity was just like, I want to be a United States Marine. I want to go overseas and be a bad motherfucker and like go I literally wanted to go to war like and I was like I'm going to go play call duty in real life type like I had lost my father I know that was something that resonated with your story too if like when I was 15 and um bro I was just like pissed off the world I had like I got beat as a kid I got bullied like where I've been like called terrorist my whole life and then like even when I went join the Marines like if the terror is there I grew up in Santa Ana and like, man, it was just like I was just a disgruntled child and I just

like really didn't care whether I went to war, lived or died and I was such a blessing on looking back that I didn't go and just kill some poor soul in Iraq or Afghanistan. Yeah, that's a whole, we'll get into that. It's a whole other conversation. Yeah, and unfortunately I ended up on that MSG duty. But at the end of the day, I started training in South America. That's when I first decided. I was like, what do I want to do when I get out? I was just like, why not? Like, I've just been a UFC fan my whole, like, since I watched Never Back Down. I don't know if you've seen that movie.

That's the OG, bro. That's the OG movie. And I was watching felony fights, bum fights, Kimbo Slice, like in high school when stuff was first going viral. And yeah, bro, I was just like, I've always been a fan. I watched Kane Velasquez, Junior Los Angeles, Anderson, Silva, Chuck Lidale. And I was just like, why not? Why not just try it, you know, go for it?

Like, and got out in 2018, had my first fight, knocked him out. and had another one knocked him out and I kept getting just like first round knockouts first round knockouts had a bunch of adversity torn ACLs like four times and like oh it's just roller coaster of of things but um at the end of day like yeah that was the plan to get out the Marines and yeah and become a UFC how did your dad pass away uh he died at work um he he he had a heart attack and he he fell ironically was at Disney so Disney owns UFC so like I bleed for the same company where my dad died out that's and it was like super messed up because they let him bleed out because they didn't want a they didn't want to blow up the

spot basically and have an ambulance come before the on-site doctor checked him and basically because of that he like bled out like on the floor because like they waited until the doctor came and they're like oh yeah we should probably call an ambulance and then they called the ambulance then they came and yeah they called me I was my sophomore year in school and um they called me and told me like hey like you need to come to the hospital and um he was already dead and uh I he was already dead and uh I I hear in Disney they don't they don't announce like pronounce anyone dead in Disney they wait till they're outside of yeah yeah yeah no it's like they don't want to blow up the spot man it's just like so crazy that that made you just feel you're 15 obviously that made you feel

just like mad well the bro I was like so much so I was like I got beat at home like a lot but I got social services called and by your father no no no no my dad never beat me actually the irony that um my my mom would hit me a lot sometimes But one time it was one of my uncles. And I had, I was just a troubled child. So that was the thing is like a lot of times, like, we're just troubled, like, as kids. And like, so, like, I was getting bullied at school,

but I never was telling my family. And then I would come home with my family. And, like, I was always ditching school. And I was, like, sleeping in class. And I was like, like, just not this, like, good kid. And so, like, I'm getting shit at home. Like, I was getting beat there. And I couldn't get a girlfriend.

Like, every time I got a girl, I was, like, getting picked on. like people were just like making fun of me all the time i still got my my yearbook from my eighth grade and it's like last yearbook i forgot and like everyone was just like talking about me and shit like you know when he signed the yearbook and then and um anyway so when my dad died the sophomore year man i just was just like i lost my faith in god like like like well i'm like a muslin but everyone's like why is he all tatted up and like yeah i'm just like quite the paradox you know like even being Palestinian being united states marine and all that and um yeah bro i was just

like in this dark place and um I decided I want to become a United States Marine. Like that was like the, that was like my, the moment I was just like I had a goal. I was like, bro, I was really disappointed in the way I was my life was coming out. And I actually went to my father's grave. I was like, coked out. There's like, I was like, I started doing fucking drug since I was 14. I would like go outside the liquor store with the homies and fucking like tell the hobo to get us a king cobra or a four loco, MD 2020, bro.

Those are the worst back then. Yeah, bro. And there's that, bro, the original Fort Loco, you know? People don't know. And, uh, and, uh, brother, this is like 14, 15 years old. And, um, yeah, I just remember one day it was like, I think it was around like, like, maybe 17 or 18. And I was just like, I had been up all night, but coked out, like, for drinking.

And like, I went to my father's grave. And, um, and I was just so disgusted with myself, man. I was just like so fucking like, and I swore. I was like, I swear I'll never do coke again. And like, I, I quit cold turkey right then and there. and um and i decided like i'm gonna be a united states marine and i was like those are the guys i looked at i saw their uniforms and like growing up without a dad like you don't have someone teach you out of shave you don't have someone to teach you out of tie tie a tie press your uniform you know so like

the marine corps right like really taught me how to be a man you know like i went to boot camp but like there was dudes like crying and like all f***in sad and i was just like dude this is awesome man we're fucking marine boot camp right now about to become marines so i was just stoked man i was ecstatic and uh yeah but like i told you i would have joined for 20 years if they like me but i signed a four year five year contract initially then i had to extend once i did that embassy program because it's a three year bill that you do one year in each country so uh that's why i did three different continents and then um yeah i got out 2018 and it's been chasing the dream since and there's been a bunch of hurdles since then because that's the thing is like when you get out like that was before

covid happened when when we had linked up and stuff and um like you get out and it's like oh this is what I want to be and it's like this it's like he's things obviously you know that you're going to face adversity but you just don't know how much you're going to go through and man it was so hard just to finally like get to this point where I where I get this this moment where like now everyone's kind of like

it seems like it's an overnight success but like really it's been like a decade after the win yeah the win tonight you know everyone's like oh bro you're blowing up overnight my phone hasn't stopped and it's like did you get a PR team right then? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like the next day. Yeah, that was the most funnier. So my last fight, I don't know if you saw it, but I got fight of the night. I was in like an absolute war and I got this scar. I got busted up and like my whole face was busted up. And I had the dude had like set a record for like how many times he hit me in. I didn't even go down. But the dude like literally set a record.

So like the UFC was like legit worried that I had like brain damage. So they sent me out in an ambulance my last. fight. And this time when I popped out, like they had a sedan with a driver. He's offering me Fiji water. Like, it was just like, the irony was like unreal, man. So yeah, definitely a few things have changed since that win. Yeah. All right, guys, quick and rush to the podcast. Listen, have you ever been in a situation? I know a lot of people out there can relate to this where you're in between paychecks, you need a little bit of extra money and you don't have it, right? because you're waiting for the next week or the next week, whatever you are,

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Go to earning.com to see all full details to get all the disclosures. If you're curious, if you want to know more, let's get back to this podcast. Well, I want to go back to what you said earlier about losing your faith in God. Yes, sir. When did you, like, come back to that? Man, it's been, it's been really, like, I think it's like mainly with this camp, to be honest, which you brother, like, I've been going back to it on and off and, like, I talk to a lot, not just Muslim, like, I have a lot of Christian friends. I have a lot of Catholic friends. Like, I'm, I'm, a lot of people don't like this about me because they're, like, they want you to, like, conform to one side. They want you to be like,

oh, if, like, you're Palestinian, then you have to hate all you. And if you're Muslim, you're Muslim, you can't like Christians. And it's like, bro, like, I'm, I'm a human. And, you know, I resonate with a lot of people. And I don't think you need to just stick to one box, you know. A lot of people are scared to do that because, like, a lot of people are telling me now, even when I was blah, like, bro, don't say too much about this because it's going to take away from this and don't tell it's about this.

But this. And I'm just like, bro, like, what are they telling you not to say? Like, a lot of the Palestinian stuff, they don't want me to speak on that. And they're like, bro, you're going to lose a lot of opportunities with that. And then same thing with speak about the Marine stuff. the Palestinian size, like, yo, like, how are you going to be pro-Marine when you're saying pro-Palestine and, like, it's contradicting, you know?

It's so weird how we've gotten to this place in the world today where, like, nuance is just completely not, it's like almost not even accepted. People don't even want to think that you can be for a country and you could be for a, you know, a cause or a service like the Marines. Yes. Then also be against genocide or also be against war. Like, you could still be like a person who wants to serve a place that you call home.

Yes. but still be like see something and go, I know this is wrong. Right. And it's so weird how nowadays it's like, I really notice on, maybe it's just a Twitter thing and maybe it's just my feed, but like obviously there's just the conflict in the Middle East

that, you know, a lot of people talk about. But even beyond that, there's just like you were mentioning, the conflict between religions where it's like the, for me, the furthest thing away from God is trying to prove that someone else, like what they believe or what they love or what they're passionate about,

like what their beliefs are. Yes. is wrong because I believe something else. It just sounds like that's like, like if I'm thinking I'm God and I made all these people and then they all decided like, okay, this religion serves God this way and this religion serves God this way.

And then they're all just saying, I'm better than you or you're worse than me or mine's right and you're wrong. It's like, it's so far from God. And that's why when you ask me like, where is your thing? I've always been very spiritual. I've always believed in like a universal frequency.

I've always believed in like, I've read the power of the subconscious mind and I've read a lot, but becoming super, natural with Joe Dispenza and like yeah um I do believe like there's there's definitely a higher the whatever you want to call it but I feel like with religion the message has gotten lost a lot along the way like I always make the reference of the game telephone we used to play in in class where the message starts at one end of the class and you can tell the message and by the time it gets

to the end of the classroom like the message has been completely changed and that's what I feel like happened with religion where it's like over centuries like people corrupted it. to a certain. Like, they were talking about that guy that had had died and he had like old transcripts of the Bible and like, like, ancient, ancient versions. And they were like completely different than the Bibles and that the text that's out now. And I've always thought that was super fascinating, you know, that like history has been like almost like destroyed.

I think it was like the library of Alexandria as well. That was like it was like one of the greatest libraries of all time. And like the first thing they did was like they burned all the books and they destroyed. it because like they were they didn't want yeah to live on so um yeah brother i've been i've been finding my way with god and uh that was one of things for this fight i prayed like like obviously my mom she's like never missed a prayer as long as i've been born like prays five times a day like she's been like my angel she's uh she's she's like the complete epitit like the opposite of me sometimes like people like see my mom and then they see me and they're like what the fuck happen to you

you know and i'm just uh sometimes i'm just uh we get lost along the way we're troubled sometimes but uh at the end of the day um i just prayed for this fight i was just like bro like god if if you if you're there if you're real like please i like i just really need some help man and um if if you help me pull this off like i believe you know and um yeah i think that was like best case scenario there i mean you got i think your top three fastest knockouts of all time in the heavyweight division yeah that's a that's got to be something i mean even the the fact that you won is obviously amazing. Yeah.

Because you were such an underdog. Not that, like, you couldn't necessarily win a fight, but even getting a knockout that fast, it's got to feel pretty good. It was great. I've had a nine-second knockout before. I had a knockout faster than that in the regional scene,

and I always thought, like, I'm never going to be able to top that. To do it in the UFC. Yeah, that's where it was like next line. And against who it was. Like, that was the biggest thing of the story. Like, they had promoted this guy so much. Like, so I had gone viral before the fight as well

because, like, I kind of came at the UFC promotion team because like they kept doing collabs with this dude like they did like four collabs with them like and they were just like like does does gable get a knockout this week does he do this is he's been doing this and i'm just like bro like can i get in like an interview like can i get like a little bit of promo like i'm i get it like the dude's like he's the favorite but like can i get a little platform to just tell my story and um just by me going out and like kind of self-promoting myself like a lot of people resonate with that like you know like we're rooting for this dude and I don't know were you there for for the fight did you know no I watched it though

yeah yeah but yeah the crowd was insane I didn't even think it was gonna be that crazy yeah yeah those fights were all fucking legit it was it was it was unreal man and that was the thing I grew I grew up down the street here in Santa Ana like I'm not sure bro uh I think my friend is a partner Alex and and a few of the other guys with amigos toxicos like they're always promoting it and partners or yeah uh he's affiliated with it somehow but um Ali Ali Ali yeah Ali yeah yeah Yeah, Claude Ali. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's from Santa Ana, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the homie, bro. We grew up in Santa Ana together.

So it's like down the street. And, uh, bro, to do it in L.A. and Staple Center, walking out to Nipsey. Like, bro, bro, man, it's unreal. So, so you've, you've obviously, how many fights did you do, uh, amateur before you got into UFC? Uh, I had two amateur fights. And then I had four pro fights before I got signed. Okay. And that, what organization was that? So I did, uh, King of the Cage. I did a fight club OC.

I did up next fighting, lights out. And, yeah, I think that was it. In the UFC, you were 0 and 2, right? Yeah, I lost my first two fights. Yeah, I got signed on three days notice, my first one, making, I was doing bad decisions. I gassed out. And then the next fight I had this, that freaking war.

Yeah. It was against a tough dude. And yeah, I had lost my first two fights. And for that added to the doubt, I was just like, I'm like, I started questioning myself. I was like, man, like, maybe I'm just a regional guy. maybe like I don't belong in the UFC like and and and and and those doubts are real you know and that's where I talk about the power of the subconscious mind and like all that like

you have to constantly like cancel those negative thoughts out with positive ones like no matter like they come in and you just like put it and then just kind of like reprogramming your mind over and over and over again and um yeah man it was fucking it's just real manifestation is real dude yeah so fucking real such a it's just such a it's just a weird story for me just knowing knowing that I had met you 10 years ago and I remember briefly talking to you Yeah. And to see where you've come is like, it's pretty cool. You, you had some money troubles that look like. I kept seeing this thing about like you owe like you're in debt, like almost a million dollars or something like that. Yeah. It was like six cents. No, I want to know this. Were you really sleeping on like nothing? For a little bit. Yeah, I got an air mattress after I sent Strickland that picture. Okay. Yeah, it was funny. He posted that. I didn't even put it out there. And he's, he's, he's, Strickland's a real. I've known it since I was an amateur man. I've, I've sparred that. I did so much. And, yeah, I was sleeping on the floor.

So I've been, like, sleeping casinos and fucking fighter houses and, like, my car a few time, like, bouncing around. A lot of it was my own fault. I had a TRX I couldn't afford that I got totaled. Then it got repoed. I was, when I first got to Vegas, I was trying to meet Dana. Fucking, I was, like, playing high limits. Fucking Red Rock and Durango trying to fucking meet Dana.

Like, I was talking to all the hosts. I'm like, please tell me when he's here. Just dump like that, man. Obviously, I was trying to help my mom a bit. And, yeah, brother, just the process of eight years, just going through that, like, fucking just betting on myself. And, um, that debt's real. That debt was real.

Yeah, yeah, it's real. Yeah. You got 160, right? Yeah, but I was going to fall of bankruptcy. I was just like, what was, I was, start over? I guess that's how it works. Such a savage, bro. I don't know, man.

Yeah, we're just taking it as we go. So what is it? So, so, because I know you had, I think when I, you messaged me, you had like maybe 90,000 followers or something like that. No, bro. I had, I didn't even have 10K. I got, I had, when you messaged me on September 6th? Oh, I think it was, yeah, 10K. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because fight week I was at like 20.

And before to fight, I think the most I got to was 30. And then now it was like 160. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah. Has it even set in yet? It's like kind of on the way. Oh, well, now it's now. With Joe Rogan got the, I don't know.

If I get the Joe Rogan podcast, bro, that's my. That's my, so I have an interview with David Gagins. I don't know if you saw it, but it was like, he was doing lives in 2019, and it was just like thousands of people, and he was like randomly picking people on, to join him in his life. I saw that. That was on a TikTok, right? It looked like it was on a TikTok.

Maybe I saw a TikTok. But, yeah, he, he had, I just got one of the guys that got accepted. And, like, I had called it, bro. Like, I was just like, bro, you're going to see me in the UFC? You're going to see me on the Joe Rogan podcast? And like he had resonated with my story because he went through a similar thing with Navy SEALs where he had gotten dropped and like he had go back in the program. But like he actually ended up becoming a Navy SEAL. Me, I just got got out the Marines decided I want to be a UFC fighter.

But looking back, I'm, I feel like everything happens for a reason. But yeah, yeah, Joe Rogan gave me to follow. He's fucking said he's down to do the podcast when I did have the interview with him. And yeah, man, my life is definitely changing. But yeah, I don't. Well, now you now you got to have a lot of. pressure. Yeah, maybe.

But I feel like you had a lot of pressure regardless. Bro, like I was Owen, too, like on the shopping blog, like going against the hottest prospect in, in MMA. Yeah. Bro, the pressure was as high as it gets, I feel like for that one. But that's what everyone keeps asking like, what's next? Who you want to fight? Who are you going to have?

I'm like, bro, I'm just like not in a rush, man. Like, no, I got, I got a dog that, bro, I love. Like, I've had him since, like, since I got the Marines, the name is Apoll, German Shepard. And, bro, he got neglected so much. Every fight camp, like, fucking, because I can't take him with me sometimes, because like if I have training like he gets just left he's in the apartment and like there's nobody there's just me and my dog and um and I just would feel bad so I left him here with my little brother

he helps me out taking taking taken taken care of him but um I was just like bro I just want to spend time my dog I was spent time my family like you're just like me yeah bro I'm like I don't care like like fighting is amazing but it's just a small chapter in my life you know like I'm I'm I don't let that define me you know like because I never got in the game like I'm going to be next world champion and I'm greatest things since sliced bread like obviously they tell you're supposed to believe that but like i'll later just took it like one fight at a time it was just like fucking can i do this boom knock him out and then i'm like can i do this one boom knock him out and maybe i lost a few but i was like you want to quit or you want to win you know and then now i got the biggest win of my career and um

yeah i just i just want to enjoy it and yeah yeah i got a bunch of injuries bro i'm so messed up bro, I need the stem cell sponsor. I need some. Yeah, that's a really good place in awesome. I was taking my Advil PMs every night, bro. And I crashed on a dirt bike with Strickland before the fight. Shouldn't even have been on that thing, man, fucking. In Vegas?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He invited me to go shooting and doing dirt biking and all that shit. And literally six weeks before the fight. Literally, the fight I signed it, and then we went out and I crashed and my shoulder was all busted up. And like, yeah, I was pretty banged up for this camp. yeah it's amazing but so so i mean you say obviously you don't you don't think of it i guess in the terms of like i got to be number one but obviously you you do want to continue to progress in the sport yeah yeah i think you think or you don't what i mean i don't know man because that's the thing is

like i was i went into this fight and i was like this is my fight bro like this is like everything i've trained for i was like bro like the stage is like the highest it's going to get the odds are the biggest they are and it's at home and maybe I could top that but at the same time like bro like I don't know you gamble but there's a famous thing like you leave

the table when you're up bro like that's how you say like you leave the table when you're up man and I say I saw the same thing with Gachi and Ilya you know I'm like bro like that's a fucking beautiful ending bro like right off into the sunset you know but that like that's the business they drag you back and they're like well we'll give

you $500 we'll give you $500 K, like, just stay for one more. The Kabeb, like, they wanted them come back. They're giving them 30 mil. Like, just come back. Just one more, one more. And, like, they just want to see you, like, until you fall. And then it's like, all right, we got our money's worth.

And on to the next, you know, it's the hurt business, you know? So I know what I'm in. But when you say, like, what do I want to do next? Like, we're going to negotiate, man. I'm fucking, if something's changed and it's worth it, then cool. But if it's not, like, I'm good with my dog and my mom, man. That's more important to me than anything. Yeah.

Yeah. Not wrong. Not wrong. I get it. You're smart, smart, smart answer. You leave when you're up on the table,

bro, real shit, bro, real shit. I just want to, now I definitely got to go. I want to go to your next fight, though. I have to go.

I have to go, man. Yeah, they got me on a trading card. Maybe I'll get in the video game. Again, yeah, I guess, it's cool.

Bro, like two years I was in the UFC, never met Dana, bro. Never met, like the UFC bear. Even my matchmaker, Mitch Megan,

never met anyone, bro. Like, just, it was like a ghost in the walls, just walking around and now I guess everyone wants to talk to me interview me and it's cool but um yeah man

i'm just dana's a nice guy who dana oh bro he's just the soup obviously busy yeah of course no no i i fucking i love dana man he's cool man and fucking uh yeah i uh i talk to him a little bit when i went the band it was like the first time i meet him and i was just like man i ain't losing in front of dana bro yeah i saw that was the thing when i walked out i saw him there i saw jo roger i was like oh bro fucking This is real like. The craziest one to me in that, though, watching. And even you saw his reaction was John Jones.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because he trained, obviously, Gable. Yeah. You know, they're obviously high hopes. Do you think, do you think there would be a rematch? For me? Yeah.

Oh, they're going to want one. Yeah. You see Rocky? Apollo's like, it ain't going to be no rematch. They want a rematch. I don't. I wouldn't want a rematch, bro. No, no.

There's no rematch. No? You're fuck You're gonna live with that one bro I'm sorry The way he disrespected me may Call him a coward The way he was just looking past me

He was doing all kinds of He was doing wrestling match before Like all the media's like got him picked He's just like Literally had interviews where he's like There's no possibility Like I don't see any way Sean could win this fight And I'm like bro like this is fighting man

Like this is like anything can happen man Like I'm not sitting here saying I'm, there's no possibility of me losing, but there's damn sure a possibility of me winning, you know, even if the odds are 20 to 1, you know, like, it's fighting. It's fighting, you know, and just the fact that it happened in like 12 seconds, I'm like, bro,

like, what the fuck we got a rematch for, you know? Yeah. Dude, I want to see it, though. I want to see it so bad. Like, as a fan, you're just like, I want to see it, though. Of course, man. Because he at the, were you surprised

that he just left immediately? I mean, yeah, I saw Jones tweeted today that it was his decision for him to walk. That's what he came out and said that he was worried about him. But I did shake his hand. I don't know if people saw that, but I walked over.

I shook his hand. I shook his hand, I shook Jones hand, his coach's hand. And yeah, when he left, I was just like, bro, I don't care, bro. Whether you hear when I get my hand raised or not, my hand's getting raised and like, yeah, do what you got to do, bro. It's over.

You came at him for some previous allegations. Yeah. Why did you do that? Bro is... So the first thing... Psychological warfare. This is fighting. Like, that's a real thing, man.

Like, if... Like, it's not just going... It's like, you saw it with the Jose Aldo and Connor McGregor. Like, bro, like, if you get under someone's skin, like, that does change the fight. Second, what he did, that... Like, they literally changed the law. They changed the law so he could get away with it.

And that's just, like, the most privileged thing. Because I have Marines that have... that I saw going through this thing. Every week we would get a safety brief talking about consent. Like if you guys go out and drink tonight, you are no longer able to give consent. Like if you get,

if a girl comes out and says, you assaulted her, did something to her, you are, and like we saw Marines get dishonored and be discharged. Like marriage is ruined, like all kinds of shit. And so like the fact that he was just able

to like get away with it. And then they changed the law. Like there was so much outrage after that that two years later they changed it back. So now, If he would do the same thing, he would have gone, he would go to jail. So it was just like, it was just the most privileged thing I've ever seen, man. And, yeah, and everyone was scared to say it.

Like, I saw it in all the comments. It was all the grape emojis. And I started doing my research. I'm like, what are they talking about? And then I looked into it. And I'm like, bro, like, I'm not scared to say this. Like, what the fuck? Like, what is it?

Like, and that was weird. Like, everything is censored. Like, they censor the word, like, suicide. They censor the word, like, retarded. Yeah, retarded. You can say retarded. You can say retarded. I grew up and we were say the crazy, right?

Have you ever been at a call of duty server, bro? Come on, bro. What the fuck, man? It's a different era now. But, yeah, so I just called the spade for spade. And I was just like, bro, like, you did that shit, man. And you can't do that. It's wrong.

And that's why everyone's booing you. And he didn't even deny it. He was just like, you're a coward. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm a coward. So, yeah, that's what happened. That was a crazy. The whole thing I was like, holy shit, bro.

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Show support to the show. Let's get back into this podcast. So you said the Free Palestine thing. Yes, sir. Who hit you and was like, yo, don't say that. Yeah, bro, I just want to say you're a real motherfucker, Brad, because so many people have been like telling me to tiptoll around.

You're not scared. I don't go, like, the media, the management, like, everyone. Not the UFC, the UFC never reached out directly and said, don't say that. But I could tell I was definitely not getting promoted because of that as well. Like, Kabibis came out and said it and Islam said it's like, bro, we've lost endorsements. Like you saw this whole stuff with McElmore and it's sharing going on right now.

Like, bro, it's a real thing right now where like, like you don't even have to be Palestinian, bro. Like I literally came about, came out before my fight and I was saying it's like, bro, I'm, I'm America first, bro. Like, I'm not sitting here saying like, oh, Palestine should rule the world. Like, bro, I'm just like, we just don't want to see women women and children killed, bro. Like we just, we're just like, there is. There's rules of engagement and warfare. Like, bro, you used to have to look a man in eyes. You go, there was like, you sang in Fallujah, like, all types of battles through Iraq and Afghanistan

where Marines went and, like, they call it going through, going to the door. When you first point of entry, when you open that door, you're in that window where the first person is probably going to get shot. And your job is to go in, keep pushing. Like, if you're your buddy just got shot in front of you, you keep pushing in right after him. And make sure you clear the room and we're going to figure out our casualties afterwards. And like these dudes just are on a drone button And it's like, boop

Yeah And just killed 186 children in a school bro Yeah, and then you see that recent image Where like, it's like so obvious Like just some random kid is going to like Check on someone else who's just got hit You know that recent image where like there's another bomb And it blows them up instantly it's like

No, it's systematic. They do it like I'm trying to think of the war movie it was But um Where there was the sniper and uh he he he he gets he takes one out but he doesn't try to kill him he just wounds him because he knows all his buddies are going to try to come save him and he kills the other one and then he just it's like they systematically do it you have they have the most amputated like legs and in the children and stuff because that's what they do like they'd see a kid that's like a great soccer player and they're

gonna they're gonna shoot his his legs out so he's he can't play anymore and then but most of these surgeries they're happening with no anesthesia imagine getting your leg amputated at like 13 12 10 this some five-year-old having to go through the surgery with no anesthesia, just freaking like screaming. Like it's just, it breaks my heart, man. And all this stuff is censored now. They're like,

oh, this is too graphic. You can't pose it. You can't talk about it. I'm like, bro, like, you know the thing that I have a question about is I've seen so many images and

so many things like this. The thing that always gets me when I hear the other side, their argument's always like, well, it's just a casualty of war. Yeah. I say, okay,

I think about it. And then I go, well, how come every picture I see is like a, kid and he's not holding like a gun or he's not he doesn't look as if he was no being a terrorist yeah right because that's what they would just say and it the weird thing is like you know how you just see it's like their the argument will be that oh this is fake or this isn't real or whatever yes my question is like why do we not see why am i not seeing dead terrorists

I'm asking the same questions. Because if that was the case, right, if their argument is like, this is a casualty of war, like they like to say it is. Yeah. But yet I see a child without like a weapon. He's not holding a weapon or doesn't look at

there's weapons nearby. It's like a little girl or a little kid or like someone crushed under the rubble who just like just looks like a civilian. Obviously I know civilians could have weapons, but I don't see the weapons. Maybe I'm not seeing it. My question is like, why wouldn't they,

the other side, allow those, images to be out there. 100%. But they're not there. I'm not finding those either. And that's the thing with the whole October 7th thing, like there was a stand down order. There was a Hannibal directive where they,

and bro, I'm completely against both sides. Like I'm not sitting here saying like, oh yeah, they're right for doing it. They were the wrong. Bro, I believe that like Hamas is a controlled movement, controlled opposition, you know?

Like, yeah. It's like, it's like 9-11. They, like, you need something tragic to happen in order for the next phase to, progress through. Right. And that's what I feel like happened with this where they were just like they needed, they needed that to happen for them to just be able to wipe out Gaza. Well, you've seen even, even, even people like Charlie Kirk talk about it. Like he's talking about being there personally seen it's like the size of it is so small and like everyone, you know, pretty much is

armed to the teeth. So how could this have happened? Yes. The way that they sort of like, even his perspective, the way they sort of allowed it to happen. He starts asking these questions and then, you know, we know what happens there. But it's just an interesting thing. The thing that I find besides the conspiracies of it, like conspiratorial stuff that everyone likes to say, that's a conspiracy, the arguments around it are always sort of just like, it's always just Hamas's fault. It's always someone else's fault. And it's so hard to see those images and go, okay, well, where are they at? Yeah. That, like, that's the, one of the biggest tells that I don't understand. And regardless, too, when someone speaks about, like, for example, you brought the

Macklemore thing, he spoke about it in a way. I don't know, most people I feel like, will probably you just see the clip where they say free palestine and then everyone is taught and that those words mean of the Israelis right so they just hear that and they go oh it's bad it's bad it's bad because that's what they're sort of propagandized to believe right but the interesting thing is if you actually watched his whole speech about that it was very like separating Israelis from the people who are in the government who are actionably doing the bad things separating Jewish people who are just, there's regular Jewish people in the world

who aren't doing bad things. He like did it very eloquently and like very fair. But just because he said the free Palestine thing, they wrap it up into like, oh, he hates the Jews or he hates his, and it's like, bro, it's so crazy because I saw Dave Portnoy's reaction. And he's like, he's so justified in doing this

and they should do this. Another whole argument is just like, bro, all these stadiums that these people are justified to kick people out of or not allow artists to perform. They're all subsidized by the, taxpayer dollars like you could look at the amount of numbers it's like 70 million to build this stating from tax money 80 million to build this stuff it's all corrupt man it's it's it's fresh because you see it all you hear it all and you're just like the arguments always just but those but they're

bad and it's like dude they've been doing it forever like this this this this whole since 9-11 the whole like muslims are all terrorist thing is like I remember growing up in it I remember the 9-11 twin towers I remember that hitting I was listening to howard stern I remember them talking about we're under attack all this stuff. And I remember all the years after that it was like, we got to go get them. And the whole propaganda about like, we got to, you know, join the Marines and go and kill these terrorists and all this. And it's like, man, the same guy who's talking about Iran having nukes right now has been

saying they were going to have nukes for the last 34 years. And they're about to have nukes in the next couple weeks for 34 years. Saddam had weapons. Saddam had the weapons. But specifically this Netanyahu guy has been saying that Iran, is going to have literal nukes in the next five weeks to six months for 34 years. Like that's not an exaggeration. No.

That's not me saying something that isn't true. That's like a like you could fact check all of this. It's all on camera. There's videos that been saying this from years, interviews years ago, interviews on C-SPAN, wherever he's having like congressional talks or whatever it is. And it's like that alone, wouldn't that be enough for someone to go, they're weeks away from nukes for 34 years? there's a very clear motive to like start a conflict or to have a conflict for some other purpose.

Yes. And it's like I can't I can't look away from that. And so when you talk about me being like real or whatever, it's just like I can't see something like like no matter what I believe religiously or these beliefs here and there. I can get into that conversation too. No matter what I believe about religious sort of purposes to have land or not have land. That's all like not the point. The point is if you could look at someone saying something on television, on what we all pretty at this point go, that's fake, that's propaganda.

It has been for years. Everyone believes it. Maybe there's a few people who are like 60 or 70 who are like still bought into it because that's their entire lifespan was that. And there was never any alternative media like podcasting or anyone kind of doing anything outside of the norm. So if we all believe it's bullshit, we can go look back and see the guy saying for 34 years, this is going to happen.

Clearly there was an objective. Now, I'm not saying what exactly that objective is, but it's pretty clear where it's gone. But to look at that specific thing, taking like emotions outside of it and just go, oh, okay, how would you not see that that's suspicious? It's one of the craziest things to me. That's one of the crazy. That specific one. Just the fact that I'm saying that some person was saying, oh, they're going to do this.

They're going to do this. It's like a clear incitement of fear, which obviously then you're going to. to get a reaction from an audience. And that's the goal to get the reaction to garner a reaction against a specific people, a group of people or a nation or state, whatever. That was the clear goal. And it's such a crazy thing to hear people try to argue all these different, you know, religious beliefs around it or why this and that or Hamas or human shields, whatever these reasons are why like things are happening now. It's crazy. And then the also thing, the October 7 thing is crazy. It's like those people have been in conflict for, what, 70 years?

bro you and then we go this okay but this moment how that entire country like you there's a guard on every corner like there's they have the best intelligence they have like the most advanced technology like bro like for them to say that they didn't know that was going to happen is like it's like it's like they've been the same playbook i don't have you heard the USS liberty of the they attacked an american i've heard of a ship and it was literally like bro like they the sailors of blatantly came out and like yo they broke JFK bro like I feel like that was the last president we had that was like the real one

because he wanted APEC to register his foreign agents he wanted to investigate the nuclear program they stole like the uranium from everyone's talking about how the Titanic was like bro I know that's when the federal reserve all that bro I like everyone's gonna be like he's a conspiracy bluff conspiracy bro

like this is just history you know and if you like look into the facts and stuff but I feel like that's what's different now is that social media has like it's it's completely changed the game where like we're not going on CNN looking for the news like we're not just like oh just here's some and you can't like look into it now like people are looking into like what happened and they're the Charlie Kirk thing man like that was the craziest like to to see how like they're one of the dudes that was like one of their biggest supporters and like the moment he started like questioning certain things like that happens to him man it was just like bro and like don't even get me started on the Epstein stuff like bro how how how how is the world not up in arms like fucking yeah i mean no one's it's it's i made a few videos about this man but like i don't know where we're headed but um something's got to change bro like there's so much corruption like we've been we've been our government's been bought and our media's been bought and like they've like the american people are like they're so pissed off right now they're just like bro like

you like you like you don't care about us you know like bro i was one of the biggest like trump supporters too like when i thought he was coming in i was like bro like like all my family was like no like this dude's fucking anti-muslim but i was like bro like at least he's gonna like clean it up like he's saying like he's gonna release the epstein files he's saying that he's gonna clean up the all the corruption in the government and all stop the wars stop the wars and like bro then he gets there and it was just like bro like what yeah the exact opposite gas went to like eight bucks here and shit like yeah and and and yeah brother it's um it's crazy the times we're living in but like i was same bro it's just it's unreal to hear that you you because like like you've you've said like

so many people like macamore all these people like they they've been scared to to come out and say anything you know because they're they're scared of losing their platform and losing their sponsorships and endorsements and stuff like that so it takes a real mother-a-dozer to just freedom of speech bro that's what we live for yeah i mean we didn't have that then it's like where are we going yeah but the frustrating thing is like even even when the censorship happens people still go late they just try to rationalize why it's okay yeah it's very interesting to see that it like it like reminds me of the covid stuff when it was like everyone was like no this is wrong but you had a whole side of people that was like no you got to do all these things and then our

government itself like i don't know a couple months ago we literally released a thing being like yeah all the shit was kind of bulls yeah dude pleaded the fifth and he's got a pardon yeah and this is bullshit and six feet was bulls masks we're bull like our government itself it's almost like the government previous was like this is what gets me the government previous was like all this shit's really important shut down your businesses I was like getting shit at my keep my gym open so it was kind of personal with me

and then they're like oh no no like actually all that was bullshit and now we're saying it almost as if like they're going to think like everyone's going to be like oh okay they're the good guys now it's like no dude it's just it's just different hands is a different hand left right wing it's all connected to the same and so yeah it's frustrating because

then you still see people will just try to argue left and right like obviously there are certain policy things that do affect people left and right. But overall, there's still a movement towards the same sort of like nonstop wars, making the pharmaceutical industry money, making the food industry. It's just like making the gasoline industry money. And it's just like, bro, clearly this is going in a certain direction. It's just not good for American people.

Dude, the food stuff's crazy now. How like are you seeing everything changing now? Like with like in and out change their recipes. Like you're seeing all cereals change like no dyes, no sugar. And they're like, oh, yeah, we could have done this the whole time. But you know what's happening because you know what's actually happening is social media is the reason for that change. And it's exactly what we described earlier about the only media that was existing then was like, yeah, this is good. Here's a box of cereal.

Here's some candy. And you just, you ate up whatever you were fed and you were told and you believed it was the new thing and it was okay and it was good. Now you have people who are like, you know, maybe a health expert here. And he's talking on a podcast about why these dyes or why these oils or why these things are like causing cancer. and they're not good and why this sugar is bad more than that, right? And so the crazy thing about it is that there is an ability to change

because if enough people stop buying, stop spending, like the food industry is a great example of it. They literally have to change their products to compete with new upbecoming products that are like more aligned with the actual health of a product, right? So then the people are coming out with the new products, new companies are making new products,

and the big the big dogs have to be like oh we don't have this die anymore so we're good and it's like we've been having it we've been poisoning you but it's ironic that that's just an actual that's a reaction to people every day like getting on social media and hearing these alternative perspectives and then being like oh wait maybe I should look for this die or I should look for this thing or whatever this is this oil and I wanted my food so I'll buy that because it doesn't have it that's a little reaction to them being like oh we're losing sales here we should change it. Yes. It's interesting though, because then those same companies end up buying the products out anyways and like whatever. But my point is it's a good thing to see because that

shows that obviously people so have power. And I think the biggest thing in this entire conversation, whether we're talking about like wars and all this shit, this whole thing comes down to like controlling people's consciousness. Because if I can get you like the social media people, the, you know, the individuals like me, for example, having a podcast talking about things that you're and people won't want to talk about because they're afraid of or whatever the, right? The people who come out and do that, they can reach enough people than, you know, it has like a web effect and it affects enough people and then they actually start to think about these things. They actually start to make change.

We see it a little bit more actionable in the food industry. It's obviously harder to like, you know, if we can get everyone to get together and decide we're not going to pay taxes next year, then we could actually be like, you know, we're changing this entirely, but no one will ever do it because they're afraid of the consequences. It's easier to choose. I'm not going to buy this product for us. product. Yeah.

But there is an ability to change. There truly is. Otherwise, those things wouldn't be happening. They would have never changed anything because the reality is those products were that way because they were cheaper to make that way. And they had their profit margins bigger because they didn't have to use this sugar. They could have used that one that was chemical and it was different,

but it was 10 cents cheaper, 20 cents cheaper, whatever. That's why they did it. They only did it because it was a reaction to people's reaction to new information. So now that we know all the fake, all the news media is fake and like normally it's like the only podcast. broadcasters, for the most part, obviously there's a lot of, I think there's now a lot of

good actors in the space that are sort of, I don't know, you want to call a controlled opposition or pressure valves or whatever you want to call it that are like leaning people in different directions politically that like they have probably identified as good, good pundits, good speakers to get people to go in directions. Then they sort of probably influence them in their direction. But besides that, I mean, that's kind of like the problem, I think, in the political space is that there's so much of that that you believe someone is kind of pushing you in the right direction. So you just go in it. Yeah.

And it's, man, to say the least, it's just, it's definitely an attack on your just belief of what's possible. Because if we don't believe that there's ability to change, then obviously it's not going to change. And that's what they want you to believe. They want you to believe like, oh, yeah, this is just the way it is and you got to accept it. And like, if you don't, if you don't go to your work, then you can't afford to feed your family. And if you can't feed your family, then you're going to be homeless. And if you don't pay your taxes, the IRS doesn't come get you. And if you take a bunch of loans out from the bank,

then your credit scores are going to down and you're screwed. But it's like, bro, like, you got to go against the norm. You got to kind of go against the system a little bit. And I feel like it takes just people like Macawmore, people like you, like people like with these huge platforms. Fucking, even Drake dropped the, he called out DJ Khalid for not saying free palis on his song, you know? And his actual recent song, I think he said something about prayers for Gaza.

Yeah, bro. I literally, I see the amount of people. Everyone's calling like the Great Awakening. you know and it's just like it's it's it's super super amazing to see like you know it's it's not just the conspiracy theorist it's not just like a one in a million people it's like it's a lot of people that feel the same way and a lot of people that are tired of being you know lied to tired of being whored out and pimped out and like just used and like you know like they say like the hospitals don't get paid unless the hospital beds are full they need you sick they need you weak they

They need you addicted on drugs, on happy pills. Like, bro, the amount of people I've lost to suicide that were on antidepressants. Like, bro, it's like the common denominator. Like, I get it. Depression's a real thing. Nobody likes it. Like, when you're like, oh, okay, but it's just like those, the pharmaceutical company does not want you happy.

They want you to keep taking their pills. They want you to keep staying on. So they don't want you to think, be conscious of what's going on. Think you can change. Like, it's, it's just crazy the, the amount of. corruption and the state that the world's in right now. But I think, I think better times are coming.

And it was that, that whole quote that Joe Rogan had mentioned is like, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, hard times create good men and good men eventually will prevail. Yeah, it just seems like we're in that cycle, but God is,

yeah. It's crazy right now for sure. But I think we're heading the right direction. I think, I hope so, man. I think it's going to take some kind of unified movement. You know, I saw,

I don't know if you've seen that Joker, the Joker of TikTok guy. He makes like the, he like has his face pain like the Joker and he makes all these videos and stuff. Are you talking about Gypsy Crusader? No, no, no, no. His name like Joker of TikTok. No, no. I thought too. Yeah, he like, he like dres up Heath Ledger and like he's trying to like do a bunch of stuff where he's just like, hey, don't, don't show up to work today.

Yeah, that guy, the Joker guy. And he's like his whole thing. He just plays like the Heath Ledger impersonation. and he's got a bunch of like a bunch of people to start like uniting a little bit i see dan bozarian's trying to to push and and do a bunch of things and um yeah i think it just takes more people speaking out yeah it's so funny collecting rain water's illegal it's so crazy bro it's one of the craziest things i get if you like if you defer rain from a river that should have river that's a that should be illegal right but like if you just collect rainwater and you like don't use it for your

garden then you're a criminal. Yeah, bro, like, what's up with like, they like monetize, like you have to pay every time you go to parks and like I get it. You have to like regulate it somehow, but I was just thought about that. I was like, bro, who just woke up one day? I was like, yo, I got to pay to go into Yosemite or like to go. Yeah, I get mad at that too, only because I pay so much in taxes. Well, I got already paid.

This is, this is a dub for the veterans out there. I recently found this out that if, if you have any disabilities, you get on a veteran card and you get into any national park for. free it's like for life yeah like and it's like it's saved me 20 bucks every time i want to go right you love yosemite yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's amazing man i love you oh yeah it's just we're we're definitely at a weird inflection point where it's almost like it seems like it's a race to just get a i to control everyone yeah that's the sad part bro because now it's like and they blingley came out is like yo a i i i i i'm probably gonna kill us like it's a terminator

like for real like what's what's going on bro i've been saying that i've been saying that since it started coming coming out. I just, that's how it's going to end, man. I mean, when at first, like, don't get me wrong. When it first came out, I was just like, oh, this is a man. Because I was using it to, like, study opponents. I was like, give me, give me Gable Stevenson's weaknesses. If you were a Harvard, Harvard professor, give me a game plan to dissect and, like, but I was, like, using it for all kinds of crazy stuff.

Not just for this fight, but even before. But then I started looking at, like, how much damage is doing, too. And, like, how it's like, it's like a double-ed sword. Like, sure, you get, like, like, it's not in Google like you used to have to like type in all these dumb questions to try to get to a forum yeah try to get the answer um but sometimes it's like it's a it's a double-ed sword yeah well that's because people rely on it so much yeah i mean at that point it's like what are what are we doing like what are we actually learning the amount of people that have they've told me like they use

chat gbt or like whatever to get through their degrees i was like it was made me worried i'm like you're you're a doctor and you're like well it's also it's also it's also worrisome because it's just like who who's in charge of these things they can just make it make it react however they want to react essentially i mean i think so yeah i don't know i mean i'm assuming it's code and maybe you can put some code in there to give yourself everyone knows there's no such thing as privacy anymore like everyone knows like yeah your phone's listening to you if you say something like you're going to get an ad for it like they know like it can be controlled by any time like the whole flock camera thing going out it's like

we're turning to a surveillance day like everyone used to laugh at china like oh yeah like they got cameras everywhere with facial recognition and social credit scores. Yeah. And like you're just like looking around like, bro, are you not seeing what's happening to America right now? Yeah, it's basically happening. It's slowly. It's slowly.

It's slowly inched in. Like you see how much you get away with this. And then, oh, they're not going to do nothing else. I've talked about it before. I mean, they've already been doing it with these.

Yeah. And that's the thing they can introduce it as something that's cool, something that's like an update, something that's new. You're kind of just like, oh, I need the new phone. Yeah. This has been doing the same thing since it's, I mean, since it really started. But yeah, I mean, that the, the, the, the camera stuff or like the AI advancement stuff and on the Palantir shit it's just going to get to a

point where it's like yeah is you can't say certain things you can't and then we're then we're just essentially going in backwards of what America's basically founded on well that's like our founding fathers they they died for this you know and like yeah the way like everyone's just kind of given our freedom way and on and I mean I'm guilty of it too like I guess I'm not sitting here saying like I haven't enjoyed the the luxuries of AI or and and gone and enjoyed like I'm like a Coke and fast food and all this stuff, you know, like we're all guilty of kind of accepting it. But I think now is a time where it's like you got to choose to accept the comforts of your life or kind of make some sacrifices and go against the grain a little bit and speak for what's right

and, you know, take our freedom back, man, because the powers and the people, like you were saying earlier, it's like it really just comes down to enough people being pissed off about something. And then suddenly changing. Suddenly the food is getting cleaner and, you know, maybe there's not as much fluoride in the water and they're not going to keep poisoning us and you know like maybe there is a cure for cancer and maybe maybe pedophiles should be thrown into a shredder and freaking bro they should bring that back the firing squad like bro i need i need i need to see a firing squad and some public hangs of pedophiles bro because yeah yeah that's one of the craziest things ever but but that's

the that's the thing that gives me less hope i'm not going to lie because the the fact that we didn't like storm the cap it'll be like yo you guys actually have to do something Because everyone's scared. They're like, I don't want to be the first one to go. Then I get put down as a terrorist and I get locked up with it. And then like, so it's like it's the strength in numbers, man. But they did the same thing. I'm not suicidal.

Fuck. Yeah. I'm not suicidal. I'm not suicidal. I'm not at all. Zero. Zero thought. At one point, my life, at one point when I was younger, but not now.

But yeah, man, it's like, it's interesting to see like that stuff. I mean, it was, it reminds you, it reminded me of the COVID thing. It was kind of just like, it's in your face. Yeah. That's how it fell. Bro, like, I'm sure you, like, like, you, like, You said when they were trying to close gyms down and like, bro,

everyone was just like, you didn't take the vaccine, and you're the problem. You had to wear your mask to six feet and like, the vaccine you had to take five times for it to work. Bro, like, and just the amount of people that like called me stupid and,

like, yeah, I got that. Like, it was just like, bro, like, and then now you're seeing heart attacks and like 25 year old athletes and, oh yeah,

no, he died of COVID and like, bro, I like snuck into the hospital. hospital because they like they wouldn't let me see my mom and stuff like she took the vaccine and then like because she has a asthma she has a pacemaker and all that stuff and um she took a vaccine and like she had like a really adverse reaction and she was in the hospital and they oh you're not vaccinated you can't go in there see my mom i was like bro i'm seeing my mom and i snuck into the far the forest the forest

ladder the the staircase and i got in there i'm fucking seeing my mom but like it was just so crazy to see the the amount of people that died like without having their loved ones next to them and like they just like they just it's just unreal man like it's it's yeah it's up man yeah so so what do you what do you want to focus on now if if you're i mean obviously you're still a fighter yeah you're not taking that away from you but yeah do you see yourself doing more things on social media and like in the world in general i think so brother like that's that's that's what this this lead up to this fight opened up for me was just like uh i've known i've always known that i had like some kind of calling in life, but I never knew

Wait, describe that to me. Like, what do you mean when you say that? I mean, like, when I got on there and I just started promoting myself and I was just like, yo, I'm a Marine, I'm Palestinian, I'm from Santa Ana. And like, to see like, I got thousands on thousands of comments, bro. Like, I got on one time and I was talking about the whole

Israel being integrated with the American military. And I was like, this is treason. I was like, this is straight up treason. And every congressman like stood up and clapped. that we were integrating with it and i bro this is treason like a foreign nation i don't care if it's in palestine israel uganda like nobody controls the american military but the american military or

or no none of them should be involved to that extent they broke they broke that marines arm there's a marine that walked into congress and was saying that the the war was wrong and that we shouldn't be involved in the war and they like dragged him out and his arm got broken in the in the door did you see that clip yeah it was it was it was like bro and i was like, bro, this is straight up treason, you know? Like, all of you are blackmailed and bought by APEC, and you guys are all probably on Epstein Island, and you guys all are corrupt, you know?

And the fact that I got so much, like, I was just like, bro, like, this is kind of like bigger than fighting, I feel like, like, because like, sure, I post a fire, I get a highlight, everything's cool, but then they're like, fucking, don't talk about politics. Go back to being a dumb fighter, you know? Like, that's what people think of fighters, you know? Like, people see, like, a UFC fire, and they're like,

oh, like, what made you choose this career path, you know? And it's just like, you always just looked at as like this idiot. And, yeah, bro. So I'm not sure what my next, my next moves are. Like I was saying, like, I just been taking it day by day. I really didn't look past this fight. I was just kind of like, I surrendered to it completely because I was 0 and 2, lost my last two.

It was kind of on the chopping block going up against this. And I was like, what they were saying, I was sacrificial lamb. That's what they thought I was, you know, that there was just this, I was just this dude that was meant to get beat up by Gable in front of the world. I said, fuck that. I'm knocking you out, my little. And, yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah. Were you, and I know this is a silly question. Were you surprised at all? Bro, yeah, man. Okay,

the fact that it happened so quick. Yeah. Like, I knew I was gonna win. Like, obviously I had doubts as well. Like, you don't always,

like, you believe, you believe, you believe. But like, bro, when I hit him, he fell,

like, bro, my, I was just like, what the, and I started cussing. I started cussing. I was like, and I was like,

you know, I was just blacked the fuck out, bro. But no, I was definitely surprised because I knew it was starting to be like a tough fight. That was what I was telling myself. I was like, bro, like, just be ready to go a three-round war. Like I was telling you, I thought he was going to take me down

over and over again. And I was going to have to get up. And over and I thought that was going to be my key to victory. I was like, he's going to take me down. I'm going to get up. And eventually he's going to break. He's never been in a real fight. I'm going to make it a dog fight.

I'm going to stay in his face. I'm going to keep going no matter what. Like, and then just drops in the first 10 seconds. I'm like, oh, what the fuck this happened? Yeah. Yeah, that's got to be pretty crazy. Yeah. That's got to be a crazy feeling.

Yeah, man. Unreal, man. Unreal. And then to be able to do it in Staples Center, meeting Joe Roggan for the first time, I set a prayer for my dad. And, yeah, man, it was just like textbook, beautiful. Like, couldn't write it any better, man.

It was amazing. It was amazing. I'm fucking proud of you, dude. Thank you, bro. Thank you. Yeah, this is unreal, bro. I was just catch up with you, man. And just like I said, bro, just to see how real you are, man.

Like, I've always seen you, man. But, like, everyone knows you to just be the dude doing the viral, you know? And then, like, you're 260, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what makes it fun. No, bro, you're a real motherfucker. So it's amazing to be here, man. Yeah, full circle.

Thank you again for having me, man. I'm excited to see what you do next, man. I'm excited to see where it goes. Yeah. What do you think? Any recommendations? I think they're going to really want to rematch. Like, I think it's, they might hit you like, hey, okay, how about this much?

You might go through that whole process. Yeah. I mean. You want to see it, but would you take it if you were in my shoes? Would you take a rematch? Kabee never gave Connor the rematch. And that eats Connor. I think because of where you're at in your UFC career, yes.

Because if you did it again, it would, you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, If you did that again, not necessarily in 12 seconds, but if you won again. He's going to be shooting so fast. Yeah, straight with a shoot. But if you win again, if you win again, you're, I mean, it's like you're, you're on, you're just, you're on a completely different path. So that's exciting. The thought of that is exciting.

If I'm you and I'm thinking about that, that's exciting. But I see your perspective too. I get it. Like the idea like, but then is that saying that you just knock. you're not going to fight anymore. Maybe, bro. I don't know. I mean, I think, like, I think I like to keep my options open, you know?

I'm not, I'm going to jump on my emotions, like, right after. I think I got to let it settle. But, like, I'm also good with it, bro. Like, what about that other $400,000, though? You got to pay. Bro, is he? You'll figure it out. Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to say this.

If you owe the bank, $10,000 is your problem. If you owe the bank $100,000 is their problem. Like, bro, I got. A-Mex suing me, man. I got, like, yeah, like, they want their money back, bro, but I'm broke.

Like, what do you want me to do, man? Like, so just like, bro, that's the thing. They scare you with your credit, with your credit score. Like, that's this thing in America.

Like, if you have a bad credit score, like, doom. Bro, how many times if Trump filed bankruptcy? How many times all these dudes do it? Like,

you open an LLC, you open an S-Corp, you figure out a way to start over. And, um, yeah, man. leave the table while you're up bro it's their problem not there's there i'm fucking i'm broke man i don't know what to tell you

yeah that's so funny man god damn so but i want to see that fight bro like uh were you training a lot of wrestling stuff yeah bro like obviously like i've always trained uh like my striking and stuff but like i'm telling you like i just thought he was in a shot because he got hit a lot his last fight Like he got hit a lot like and I thought that's what his his team was telling him like hey bro like you're a wrestler so like stick to wrestling and like I don't know if they're game planning like to strike a little bit and then shoot for a takedown but um bro like that's your bread and butter you got to stick to what you know man you're not john jones I don't get you got on your corner like you're a wrestler so wrestle yeah yeah he's coming out of the gay shooting if you do it yeah bro like you said Hamza does like

Like, is that what you thought was going to, I'm going to have to deal with this. Bro, yeah. Like, I knew I was going to get up. Like, that's what I kept telling myself. Like, there was a, there was the speech with John Jones when he fought DC. And he was all like, he said, you might get me down, but I'm going to get up. And I might get you down too. And I'm going to keep coming after you.

And it was just like, bro, like, it's a part of it. But eventually, like, if you get up and persevere. And it was dope because Hamza was actually in the back with me in Armon and neon in the train room. And they saw me in the back praying. And like, I took a picture with Hamza. up for I walk there. I want to take a picture of Arm on too, but he was like, well, he was in a fight so I didn't want to bug out on him. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, Hamzok gave me to follow and he's, he's a gangster. Yeah, he's a fucking gangster, bro. Yeah. Legit. Yeah. But that's, that's,

that's what Gable should do. Shoot like Hamzla does. Because. So who wins in a fight me or are you street fire? Yeah, bro. We can find out. Yeah. I'm trying to negotiate. I don't know. I need some money for this one. Yeah, bro, I don't know. What's the number you would take to fight again, that fight? I really don't know, man, because that's the thing I've realized. Bro, so I trade options too before.

Like, bro, I've made six figures sitting on the toilet, like, when COVID was happening, like the whole game stop pop and like the, you won on that? Yeah, bro, and I blew it. Oh, my God. I made a quarter mill from trading on. I learned, bro, so COVID happened. I was training clients. and then I was like trying to figure out a way

how to make money digitally. I went on YouTube, started studying like trading options because I saw this video of this dude that made 40K like in one trade and I was like, bro, if you can make 40K from your phone, I won't learn how to do that. Started studying how to do options.

The whole GameStop thing was happening. Tesla was having a stock split. It was all like right before COVID. Might have been during, I was right after COVID. And yeah, bro, I just saw like the amount of money you can make just like on your phone. And there's like some people that,

fucking chilling on the coast of Greece right now and they wake up. Oh yeah, that's all they do, yeah. They make like a $100,000 trade. What did you blow it on? Well, I didn't pull out. I didn't cash out. So I was like, oh yeah, this is going to a mill.

And I just, I never sold. I just watched my account. I watch my account go all the way up to $2.50k and then I fucking just watch it. And I was like, I'm going down with my ship. Like if it's going to go, I was going to go all the way. It's a real fighter. Yeah, like, fucking idiot.

I should have pulled out. I was like, why does you go 150? as you go 170, 60, 30. I was like, oh, damn, I guess it's not going back up. But, yeah, so to go back, it was just like, bro, like, I know how to make money outside of fighting, you know, so that's the thing. It's just, like, fighting, they don't really even pay that well, bro.

Like, once you get to the top, sure, once you're making the belts, they're paying you serious money, but it's just like, yeah, I can make, I know people do it real estate that there's a fucking, like, what else are you interested in? What else are you, interested in as far as like to make money uh definitely uh I mean option trading is I just I need have more discipline that's my thing is just like when I'll like I'll empty the clip

you know like it's just like yeah like and that's the thing is like you have to like be grateful with like making 500 bucks a day a thousand bucks a day like that was that was my problem with gambling too like I would be like at the tables and it was like I mean 500 then I'm doing a thousand dollar hands I'm do 5,000 then I'm doing like a 40,000 dollar hand and I'm like what the fuck like How did I just bet $40,000 on one in hand, man? Like, it's just, you, and that's the thing with, with, with gambling that you lose the value of the money, because it's just like a little chip, you know, they're just units, you know. You got your, your ones, you got your, your $5, 25s, your hundreds.

I've seen some $100,000 chips. I haven't touched those, but, um, you lose the value of what it is. And so if you could just kind of be grateful, like, because once you lose it all, you're just like, bro, like, I just needed $500 to pay more of my gas, my groceries and my, my my basic living you know and I would have been good but instead I wanted 5,000 and now I got jacked so yeah um yeah bro I've I've learned a lot of lessons with money and I'm kind of just like it doesn't it doesn't rule me man like I'm just like that's why everyone everyone's like bro like like no you have to negotiate you have to make more money and like fucking I was talking with strickling

yesterday he called me and he was just like he's like bro this is when the opportunities happened like you could be making a million you can make 10 million 20 million and I was like bro but when is enough enough you know like when like when do you when do you walk like you know like because i know millionaires that like bro they slave every day bro like i got i got a big big og homie he's like one of the most most successful guys i know and he's like he works so hard bro like you this dude like never gets a break but it's like he's so ambitious but he's just like always working always working all was working all's working and he tells me how like he's like bro just enjoy it man because i would always like tell him i'm like bro like i'm like i'm

I feel so bored sometimes. I get lonely. I was like a little depressed. Going through like not losing my fire as well, blah, blah. He's like, bro, just like enjoy it, man. Like you have so much freedom right now. You have some, like, money isn't everything. Money's going to come and go.

Money's going to come and go. And, yeah, man. So maybe I'll come back. Maybe I won't figure it out, man. It's real, though, about the money, man. It's interesting. We're definitely taught, like, more, more, more, more. I think that comes from not having money.

You like, you always feel like, because my parents were divorced, and I would see like the, like, I would be the one that my dad would give me the child, the child support check to go give to my mom, like, as a kid. Like, and I would see, like, the arguments and the fights and, like, it, like, ruins families, like, finances, you know. And so, like, once you finally, like, get something, you like, oh, I need more and I need more and I need more. But it's just like, bro, sometimes you don't know what you have until it's all gone, man. It's just, like, the basic, the basic simple things, bro. Well, that's when the most beautiful shit in life happens. is in even trying just to get it. Yes.

Like the actual, you know, everyone talks about the journey, right? That's the goal. I mean, it really is. I mean,

if you look back on my life, I can think about all the times, like the amount of money I made and things like, it's cool and it's been great and it's like, it's made my life what it is today. But even having money now and then looking back on myself then, it's so interesting. I could,

I could think directly about times in my life when I had way less. Like times when I had nothing and I was way happier. Yeah. Way happier trying to get it than I was when I had it. And don't get me wrong. I'm not happy. I'm not unhappy now in my life while I have it. But there was something special about the moments when I didn't have anything.

And all I had was like a drive to sort of figure it out. That was the happiest I was in my life for like years all through the YouTube stuff. And then it starts to really take off. And you're like, wow, this is cool. and buy a few stupid cars and you're like that was pointless but like i'm not kidding man the like i remember the moments when i was in the gym like when i've just first started filming videos and it's like that wasn't taking home thousands and thousands of dollars every month but the level of happiness that i had just doing the thing that i was like so

and passionate about you can't you can't recreate that no that's it process it's like it sounds like so cliche but like it's the process and they say like that a quote i heard it was just like set the goal to become a millionaire, not for what you will achieve, but who you will become in the process of it. And it's like, it could be applied to anything. Like, same thing to become a UFC fighter.

Like, I thought it was like, I just wanted to be a UFC fighter. But through the process of what I had to go through to get to that, like, that was the lesson. Like, that was the, journey.

That was what, like, that was like the real fruit. Like, obviously it feels amazing right now to get this win and all that. But like who I've become in the process of chasing this. Like, that's like the real, the real prize.

That's the real, joy right there. Yeah. So bless you, man. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. You're awesome. You're the goat. Yeah. No, you're the man. It's so, it's so crazy just going back in my head. And like, I remember specifically first meeting you. Yeah. And I remember

I remember legitimately being like, there's something about this person. And I, dude, I've met thousands and thousands of people. I mean, you know, they come to the gym all the time. I take pictures. Yeah. There was something about you though. That's cool. And it's cool to see like 10 years in the future, like you're just you're here and you succeeded at something that was i mean bro most people will never

even step foot in a ring let alone win in in such a decisive way against someone that like you know they're pretty much everyone is like saying that i would say all the money was probably bet on him right some of my people bet some of my people took my advice yeah i f***ed up i should have took it they were small beds mostly like a hundred 200 he literally told me oh i was such a dickhead bro I was such a lot. I was like, come on, man,

just do it. Did you see Andy Ficella's DMs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I had the DMs with Steve too. I had sent it to him. I was like,

I should have took it, man. I should have took it. But I'm just like, it's a fight, who knows, this guy's so hyped. Like,

yeah, I didn't, yeah, I just didn't think. But it's just, it's cool to see like, where you are now. And just like, knowing that I had that like small moment

with you 10 years ago. I was like, damn, this is, I'm proud of you, man. Thank you, brother. Because I do remember you speaking about what you wanted to do. Yeah. You're here.

You did it. That's it. Manifestation is real. Yeah. Yeah, you should be proud of yourself, man. Your father will be proud of you as well. Thank you, brother. All of you.

Yeah. Thank you.