RAWTALK - Street Fight With Chuck Liddell

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

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So that sounds like an amazing business plan. Well, I mean, he went from doing it as a kid out of his truck. I mean, I was there when he got, he had Bustin for not having a work permit because he had a real business and he didn't have a work permit for it. And then they had to shut him down. They had to open back up with a work permit. Then went legit. And then now they do a cross-country looting.

And so it's your buddy who owns it. And they're just like, they're coming out. Who's coming at him, though? The feds. The feds are, like, you don't hire enough old people? Yeah. That doesn't, how was that even a fucking thing? It just can't, it's age discrimination.

Bro, what's going on, man? That's what I'm saying? I'm like, you're like, what are you talking about? It's moving. What are they going to do? Bro, this is a- You're moving couches, you're moving refrigerators. You're like, you don't, who are you, what?

Yeah, well, it's weird, but I mean, it's just like, is it, so it's some new age sort of discrimination? I mean, bro, the world's getting really crazy. And I'm going to introduce you Before we get more into this Because I have a lot of questions for you You're 54 years old Retired Legend UFC fighter

Chuck Liddell Thank you so much for showing up We got really talking into just something crazy Right out the bat I was just called me He's all bummed out about it He's a friend of mine I just trained him

He used to fight for me He's just said I told him he just sent me a picture Of me like me cornering him And I'm like man And I was a long time ago Yeah I think 99s

So let's talk about that a little bit let me see it because he's just let's see it let's see oh my god how old were you here that's him right there that's me in the background how well were you here that was in uh 99 so that would have been where in your career were you here uh my first fight was in 98 yeah you see so second so second just started yeah just just got my gym going and everything. He's like the kid who just started fighting for him. Yeah.

Well, first off, I want to get into like, because I don't really know like your story of like inception. Like how did you get into fighting? Oh, well, that one's pretty easy. It was kind of funny. I kind of fell into it, really. I did martial arts since I was a kid. Okay.

I was a martial arts. I wrestled. Your dad put you in? No, I got it. I used to watch Kung Fu Theater. Okay. And they used to have these demonstrations in between. Yeah.

A double header. Demonstrations. That's what intrigued me. I wanted, you know, I did like every other kid. I thought I was going to go to a karate school and they were going to teach me some magic and I would turn into, um, Bruce Lee. I'd turn into a ninja at the time. The ninja was a big thing at the time.

Okay. But, you know, but the thing for me was like, and I have a, the gym I joined was like an old school gym. It wasn't catered towards kids. It was more towards like traditional, like do 500, go over there and do 500 punch on that side, the east side, and then I'll come look at you. And, and so they get a lot. high attrition rate after about three to six months you figure out when people figure out

that there's no magic it just hard work yeah it's just hard work and you got to learn how to fight um but for me it was the opposite like i say oh wait if i work harder i can pass that guy over there i can get better than him yeah so i can learn more so i was i was always in there trying i learn more yeah learn more so um yeah so i mean i got started doing martial arts and i just fight it. And I begged my mom let me do it. She's like, she finally let me do it. So it worked out good. Is there anything else in your life that you had that sort of passion for?

That, I mean, honestly that in football are my two favorite things. I mean, I used to, I used to want to be a martial arts gym and be a football coach. Yeah. I like, I like football a lot. But, you know, I kind of, kind of went, kind of made my decision in college. Kind of went away. Yeah. Why did you decide

fighting? Well, fighting wasn't I was wrestling and wrestling and playing football and I just, I got to decide to, I couldn't, two and both of them was tough for college. Yeah. So I just,

I got, I went with wrestling. Yeah, because we were talking the other day, I saw you in person at the karate studio. And we were talking about just specifically types of fighters who, because you said you were having a conversation with GSP

about like, not wanting to be either in the cage and like seeing up, newer fighters doing it and being like, this anxiety towards knowing what it was like when you were going to go fight versus like another fighter who, like you seem to really

like wanted to do it versus he was like I like kind of dreaded even though he was great at it he like and we both both both was like the training camp part of it he just didn't like the he didn't like the uncertainty of going in the rain and that's not crazy nervous

which is like it was pretty funny talking to me I'm like yeah no I love going in the rain and what was he saying? I just I don't miss like that anxiety I get before fights and all that stuff and I'm like You know, and he's one of the best ever to do it, but...

Ever, yeah. But, you know, it's funny. And he's just like, yeah, I thought you were crazy, but now I know. Because you, you, like, look forward to us. I look forward to that.

So you didn't get... Honestly, I treated, that was my reward for all the work I put in. Was walking in that rain. And I actually took the time walking out, when we first started selling out,

I walk out and it's deafening, right? People are cheering. And I'm like, I had to take the time just kind of, you know, this is kind of cool. I'd have to enjoy that walk out

before I get, And as soon as I got in the cage, you closed it, that focus. Yeah. But I would take the time to, I mean, you know, this is kind of cool. And what you didn't even have anxiety of that. Yeah.

Yeah. You like the competition in it. I like competition. That was what it was to me. I was always trying to, now I would, kind of like a serial color. I can, I try and really trying to hurt you and end you.

Yeah. Without any animosity towards you or. Yeah. And actually, even if I didn't like you, that helped me train for you. But it really didn't change my life. thought. I don't, I think emotion, um, cloud's judgment. So I was never that emotional. Like, I didn't have to be fired. Some guys do. Some fighters do. I never had to be fired up. I didn't

have to be mad at you to try to hurt you. Yeah. So I mean, I just is that switch. I just, okay. Well, it's kind of, I mean, in that, in the octagon, I mean, it's like killer be killed. Yeah. And it is. It's just for me, I just, that's, in my head, if that's, you deserve that, I'm okay with it. Yeah. This is what we're doing. And as soon as it's over, I hope you're right. Yeah. I am trying to end you. Yeah. Did you see the fight recently? I know you were at the fight, obviously. Did you just see the fight?

I don't know who it was, he got knocked out and he started, like, seizing. Like, do you ever see stuff like that? And you're like, is that? Well, stuff happens, man. It is what it is. Like, there have been a couple of times when I knocked him down, oh, man.

And I, cheering and I look back and he hasn't moved yet. I'm like, oh, man, please move. Please move. Come on, man. You can do it. Move. Yeah. Move.

And then they move. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, you, I was watching some of your highlights. Like, you just brawled. Like, you just threw, like, like, you were, at one point, you were just, like, you could just take punches. Kind of remind me of Nate Diaz. You could take punches, but as long as you were throwing them back, like.

Yeah. And that's kind of how I felt. And I got, I got real comfortable with that, like, we exchanged punches. I'm going to win that exchange. Yeah. You know, when did that start changing for you? Because I saw a clip of Joe Rogan talking about, like, it lasted for so long, and then at one point, it just stops. Yeah, you know, I don't know. You know, like, it's one of those things that just, and I heard a lot of different theories and ways.

on things about why and how and I even have heard a newer one which I did some brain training stuff with where like, because I was in my brain was locked like the EEG my brain was locked in flight or flight all day long at rest. Oh really? And and and

what you say they're able to train and now they do this brain training thing where to look at the screen and they're got things sit to your head. Electroids and stuff. Yeah and then actually we trains your brain so that actually now I'm back to normal with that it's not I don't have that. I'm not a fight or flight.

all the time. Is that just, well, is that it's interesting? But they, they think that might translate into the, but who knows? Into what? Into like not being able to take a punch again. Yeah. But that's, who knows? Yeah. And that, I've been, you know, but there's a lot of different

elements into getting older and yeah, I was doing a little slower you don't get out of ways as well as you don't absorb the punch as well. Yeah. And then that I've heard, I've heard all sorts of different reasons. And that was one of the reasons I was retired. Of course. Because I, when I finally, I got, I was in the best shape for that fight.

Everything was firing. I was doing everything right. And I still got knocked out by a guy that should have been. A great fighter. Yeah. They shouldn't know you don't knock me out. With that he can. Yeah.

So for me, that was when I'm like, okay, I've tried all these things. I've taken some time off. I did all these things. That's it. That's it. So for you, what, because I was having this conversation, I was talking with Brennan Schab and Rampage. I did a pod with them, the last fight companion. and they were talking like the first thing that goes as you age as a fighter is like kind of the agility

speed out like power is the last thing to go that's not what's nice but yeah that's what they were saying power's the last thing to go because you still got that crack and so so was the first thing what was the first thing that went for you when you're like okay this is it just the fact was it just the fact that you were i think i think it was the fact that i wasn't really i just wasn't able to take a shot i mean i was you know i would stop a lot sooner if i was i was winning in fights yeah and then getting caught. If I was losing the fight and then getting knocked out,

that would have been one thing. I felt I was winning all those fights. And I just got caught. Got caught when I, on something that wouldn't have dropped me before. Yeah. And I think I could have changed my style a little more. Yeah.

Probably would have been, but at that point, it was just, you know, it was time. Yeah. Do you miss it? Always. That's what we were talking about.

If you missed it, yeah. And I'm like, I miss every part of it. Like, because I miss everything. I don't even, I even missed the weight cut,

because I knew that was, and that was done, I was done, I was done. I was going to fight the next day. Well, I didn't, I didn't get a lot of weight either. Yeah.

I had died it down. I was real, I got real regimented with it. I know, I've screwed up a couple times. I did 19 and a half pounds in one day for a day of land. Wow. So I waited at 12 and had to fight that night.

Did you ever do anything like unique for your diet? Like, did you ever try any different diets? You know, like fighters would try different things? Like, did you have people in your, in your corner helping you with,

I had people helping me with stuff. We did, kind of did like, but it was more like I started at the end. I just got a cook to do it for me and do like a, I think we did like a, what was it 60, was it 60, 40, 30, 30. Oh, you're talking about protein carbs for that? Yeah. So, I mean, it was really for me when I first started on the amount of carbs that you have when it's 40%, only 40% carbs is not very much.

Yeah. But the thing is, like, if you make it really clean food, it was hard to eat all that. Because they'd give me six, I have six boxes. Yeah. And that's what made it really. I like things. It's easy for me to keep, they give me six boxes. I eat within the six boxes at certain times.

I'm done. Just follow it. I don't have to think about it. What was the hardest part in your career, like as far as like staying in shape or like maintaining, I guess, athleticism or the striking? Like, what do you think you, like, struggle with the most? And then what do you think you were the best at? Um I struggle with the most

Um Like in the camps Like what would you struggle with Like were you What were you What were you struggling with the most When you're in camps In camp

Well you just make it Just trying to push it hard enough To get ready And and stay healthy Yeah You know And as you got As I got older

That got harder and hard Yeah of course Like recovery became more And more important And making sure you did you know what you're doing everything you're doing all the recovery things you should be doing yeah you know so i have a question for you in regards like just the ufc and like your kind of presence and i mean i growing up when i first heard about the ufc i'm like you were one of the biggest

names like gs p you there's a lot of like really like rampage jackson there's a lot of fighters that were just like iconic what do you think about the new the new age of of the ufc and how how it's like trendy i mean it's it's becoming probably one of the most popular easily one of the most popular sports in the world. Oh, yeah, and it's huge. I mean, I think people get a little, it's a little hard sometimes that's, what, 40-some-odd UFC's a year. Yeah.

Between fight nights and the different things. And people don't understand. There's a lot of great fighters out. There are a lot of great fighters out there. But then, you know, it's got to be spread out across 40 fights. Yeah. And then sometimes, you know, like, they're all called UFC. So you think, like guys don't.

know how to differentiate from, oh, this is a pay-per-view. This is a lot more fights. Which is, is this a big fight or a little fight? And, you know, and sometimes the, you know, some of the talent, there's always good talent on the fights. But it's just some people, it's not quite, like what you're used to if you're always just watching. Before, you had five, you know, you had five UFCs a year.

Yeah. And there, everybody on there now would be a, probably everybody on that card would have been a, at least a headliner on, at least on a fight night. Yeah, yeah. You think it's harder to stand out then?

Well, I think that clouds it a little bit, like, because there's so many people out there and there's not that, you know, it's just that big. Like,

I think it's some people have a hard time. It seems like fans, I don't have a hard on differentiating between when are the big fights and win or not. Yeah. Because I mean, it's almost every guy.

I'm not doing wrong, I'm a fight fan, so I like having fights all the time. What do you think it takes to say? Obviously, takes to stand out but now like nowadays guys are like really starting to leverage social media which was obviously not a part of the ufc when you were in it yeah yeah well i mean coming down to like it's like i think it's still in the uc you have to be the best to you got and you have to win and you have to

win when you're supposed to but you can cut the line by being a little more popular by making yourself more interesting yeah and and you know i mean people like to watch people try to finish fights. Yeah. I mean, and people learn that they get paid better when they're trying to end a fight. I don't care how you do it. Like, I'm a big fan of everything.

So if you're a submission guy, you're a ground and pound guy, you're a, as long as you're working, you're not just stalling and you're not trying to just score just a little bit more than the other guy and walk away. So you mean like instead of decision, like finishing a fight? Yeah, if you're trying to finish in any way or, and really, you know, attacking and trying to, I'm not against people trying to win fights, but it's just. if you're just trying to do just enough to win and it's kind of kind of I mean I don't want to watch that

I'm nothing against you if you can do it yeah yeah yeah I love GSP and I mean I think I think in the end of the school got real careful but I mean that being said he made some really really good guys look stupid yeah skill wise skill wise you made them look like they look like they they couldn't do anything yeah he's so he was able to do that to a lot of people yeah do you think do you think now though like the social media aspect of it is like is changing the fight game a little bit

because i recently like they i know they partner with like the endeavor group bot like it's like wbc and the ufc's like one conglomerate thing now and yeah but that i hear that all the time i just i don't see that being there it's not really they're different fan bases one but i mean i can see where they have some cross promoting things they could do they can uh they can probably you know some upper management stuff can be combined i would probably lean it out a little bit up there I mean I don't I just I just don't they're not there's not a direct correlation between the two yeah because I really don't think I mean they're not the same there's some of the same there's some crossover of course I just wonder if there's some executives being like yo we should spice the

shit up more because recently like did you see the the duplessies and the strickland like kind of beef the fight I was right there yeah so like I see stuff like that I'm like I wonder if they're like doing that I wonder if they're like setting that up I don't think they would plant that I mean I don't want to. I mean, I, I do, I did wonder why, why they were sitting that close to each other. Yeah. But, well, afterwards, why would you do that?

Yeah. But, um, yeah, I don't know that they would set that. Cause I mean, I mean, it could have broke into something worse. Yeah, it's honestly, it could be dangerous. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I don't know. That just goes viral, which is so viral. Yeah.

And that's just, I mean. Was there ever anyone that you wanted to Like, like, would you ever have been in a situation where you would have, or have you ever been a situation where backstage or, you know, in the crowd? The only time, I mean, the only real time, I think, for me. Like, but everyone knew me. I, like, I, I was, I was, I'm serious. So Tito, when he was fighting Vodor Belfort.

Okay. He was doing a radio interviewer in San Diego. And I don't date white trash like Chuck. I don't date white trash. Like Chuck. And a bunch of guys call me up. They're like, well, what's up? What's up this?

I thought, I was, wasn't real happy with. them yeah and but we went to the fight and after the fight there's a um after party at uh i think seven man it was seven but john huntington was that was promoting it okay friend of ours and um he comes up to me he's eyebrow you got to squash this stuff with tito because your guys are gonna fight his guy i don't need trouble in here i don't need problems we please squash us yeah no problem so i went over i had they got tito over and came over and even diesel was there too was negotiating, I guess. But I'm like, okay, it's real simple.

Within Diesel was, like, in between you guys? Yeah, he came up and was trying to, like, get us to talk. Yeah, okay. That would be cool. Interesting. I'm like, I'm like, so, I'm like, okay, Tito, first off, this is my girlfriend. Apologize. Yeah.

Second, you ever talk about my family and friends on a radio interview again? I know where you live. They'll compete you in your fucking living room. You understand that? He was like, yeah, no, man, I got it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man. I wasn't talking about her. I was talking about Juliette Lewis.

I'm like, that's a magazine that said I was dating Juliette Lewis for some reason. I'm like, really? Like, she's not quite trash, bro. Like, she plays characters that are. Like, what's wrong? In movies and shit. Yeah, in movies, it's an idiot. But, but, yeah, but I mean, I said, okay, then we're cool.

I'm not going to cause him Trump. But, like, but, you know, he knew, he knew me from, we trained before, he's training at her, and he heard a story, about me. I'm not, I'm not, I'm serious. Like I, you know, if you, you don't recall, some of the stuff they do now, it's not okay. You know, like, I, I mean, I didn't cry across his lines, I think, but I mean, that's where it is. I mean, I guess that's the thing now. Like, which, which lines? I mean, just like, you know, talking about someone's father or dad or, you know, I'm starting their kids, start talking about somebody's kids, like,

hey man, I like Colby, but, uh, yeah, bro, you, you're mouth it off about my kids. Yeah, you better have your hands up when I step up to you. And I, anywhere. Anywhere. And by the way, and I think Jake Shield has some deal with the guy, and everyone was like, and he said something that made real sense to me. Here's the thing. You know, some fans have some BS about you or this and that, whatever. Of course. You got to expect that.

But if you're one of us, you're a fighter, you don't get a pass to trash me. You don't get a pack. You can talk about me. Actually, you can talk about my camp, talking about my coach, whatever. That's all fair game. but don't talk about my kids don't talk about my family don't come out

don't come after me that way because you're one of us unless you're not a dead family member and by the way if I'm if I you come up and I and I slap you don't be surprised don't act like

oh I don't know what happened I go why'd you do that and I'm like hey bro you better expect it like I mean I'm not typically I'm not that guy I don't want to hurt anybody I don't really, but I'm very protective of people I care about.

For sure. And that makes sense. That makes sense. Do you remember the time? I don't know if you remember. I was filming a YouTube video with my buddy Steve and you were in the back of my old, the gym. And that, do you remember that woman came up and she was super drunk and she was like being really aggressive? Yeah.

Yeah, that was crazy. Well, the thing I was worried about was because that's far boys, gym over there. That's a bunch of kids come out of there. Yeah. I mean, I can handle drunk people. Yeah. I worked in bars for nine years. But I just like, what are you doing?

Are there things like that that happen to you often? Not really. Not often, not hardly at all. Like, I've never had a problem when people come up to me and doing that stuff. Because, you know, honestly, I'm one, I'm pretty laid back. I mean, I always tell me, look, man, if I hit you for something you said,

you're doing a really good job. Because if I hit you, your mom's going to ask me why I waited so long, that's how big of where you are. Then you, you had it come. You had to come. I mean, people everyone said, I can't believe you waited that long. Yeah.

yeah i just remember that that was funny i went out that that Tyson went on the plane the best part about that to me when that guy was messing with Tyson he went after him yeah the best part about that to me is everyone no one really complained that Tyson did it because everyone's like you poke the bear yeah what's wrong with you can't go too far i mean you you you're poking what are you nuts yeah it makes no sense you got what you deserved yeah that's kind of of how it goes but i mean but but people really it seemed to me like they're the media and everybody was like yeah dummy yeah what you expect yeah i mean but not that he i mean he had more control than he needed to have i think yeah yeah i just wonder i always wonder if like fighters deal

with more that because like you know the mentality of like guys here's the deal like i want to go like matt he was back in the day like well guys like guys would try to but like why they always He's just, because they go, in their head, they go, he's just a, he's not a street fighter. Yeah. He's just, he's not a street fighter. He's just a street fighter. He's just a boxer. He's not a street fighter.

The thing with me, like, I'm known as a heavy-handed street fighter. I'm doing a heavy-handed brawler. Yeah. So most of guys, you know, so those guys that know me, they're not, they're not really trying to get in a fight with the baby. And, you know, when they come up, I, I know something to say something that I could turn into a fight back when I was a kid. wouldn't know one to say to him, either make him put his tail between his leg and call out the door or fight me. Yeah.

But I don't, I'm growing up and I don't do that. So I say, oh, man, you sound pretty tough. Yeah, yeah. You should be in the U.S. We're making good money now, you know. That's a kind of thing you say. Can I walk, truck saying I can be in the U.S. and I can sit back down and drink my beer.

Dude, I feel like I have to ask you this question. Now, who is in the street fight, me or you? I don't know if you've seen those clips. Have you seen those clips? What? I asked the fighters that. Yeah. I didn't know that.

No, but I don't give you much of a shot. I don't know what your background is. So, you know, never know. You might be, you know, the world champion kickbox. I don't know. Okay. Cool. I'm not.

I'm not a wrestling background. Yeah, yeah. Could be a problem. Yo, dude, I love it. Okay. So you, you would classify yourself as a streetfire? Like, kind of like your, oh, you were, you would come from? Well, I was a, I was a brawler.

Yeah, no. But the way, the way I fought was that way. So people aren't going to classify me. I was, considered a slick anything. You know, I was considered real slick. I mean, I think I'm really good at setting things up. I throw it from a lot of weird angles. Yeah.

On purpose. Like, I, it's calculated. I'm a calculated fighter. I think I'm, I think I'm an educated fighter. I'm not just a street brother. And I, I'm actually, like, even in, like, I've had stuff happening in the street by, like you got it looked like you got calm like i'm i don't get excited like i i notice i'm not my highlights i i get more okay this is i got is i going to think through how we got what we got

got to do we're dealing with this guy that guy even as you're getting hit you're just like it's it's a skill for sure oh yeah for sure um what what was your what was your least favorite thing about fighting because we talked about a lot of the stuff you loved obviously and what you're good at My least favorite thing probably was just like, probably dealing with like the PR and that, the behind-the-scenes BS. I just want to fight, man. Yeah.

Wow. Like doing the pressers and shit? Yeah, I mean, I was, you know, it's almost like a necessary, it was like a necessary evil. I mean, I try to explain that to the, the end of those, I'm like, well, guys, I don't care if you get up there and say,

whatever I don't like these things you just get up there and say something don't you not show up because hey you want to get paid right yeah I'll fight I'll fight to see who's better that's no problem with me but we're gonna get we want to get paid we got to sell it yeah for sure so social media is having like a big impact on that now it's like it's changing it's changing the game it's changing it's changing the world in general what what do you think about like I guess how different is the world now from your perspective than it was when you were obviously growing up

because the world's changed a lot we were kind of talking in the beginning about like the little shift of topic but we were talking about how like you said your buddy's getting pressed from the feds because he's not hiring the right meat head movers and they're movers yeah they're not higher enough old people

right so there's like a lot of weird going on like what is your what is your opinion on just like the world because like you know you're 54 years old you've been in the UFC obviously it doesn't necessarily make some sort of decision for you but like what do you think about the world and like the way it's going

because you have kids I think I got kids and that is it's a tough time I'm dealing with stuff and they're watching stuff you know because you're watching stuff I mean they're trying to you know tell you I think that people tell my kids all you don't have to tell your dad's this book I'm like what

yeah what do you mean does that tell me by the way just so you know the first thing he does when you tell me Tell me that? Just come tell me. Yeah. Who the fuck is saying that?

Teachers? Like, yeah, it was a while back. Yeah. But I, you know, but we have read a different school now. So, but, um, but, you know, it's just, a lot of stuff is just crazy what they're trying to. It's like, people forgot down to, you know, get along. Like, just live and live and live. And like, it's just my side, your side.

Yeah. Like, you know, I got a lot of friends that have a lot of different opinions on things. Yeah. That's why I have for, that. makes them interesting. If we're all the same robots, you know, what, what's the point? What are we going to talk about? Yeah. It seems like everyone, it's like everyone wants to their side, to be the only side, to be the right side, to be like, you have to do it this way. Yeah, and it's like, look, you know, I just, I'm not, I give people warnings too. Like,

oh, I want you to come on like things. I'm pretty conservative with most of my beliefs. Yeah. But like, I'm like, just, if you can ask me something, just make sure you know what I'm going to say if you're okay with it because I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not party line with anything. Yeah. You know, I, no, I grew up in a family that was my grandma registered, demographic, grandma registered, grandma registered, grandma registered, a Republican, so they'd get information from both sides.

Yeah. They could make an informed choice. Back then, you get mail-ins, and so, it wasn't, you know, it was a lot of stuff, you know, so. Nowadays, it just seems like everyone is just, they hear information, and they just take it for exactly what it is based on what someone else told them, and then they don't do any more research. Oh, it's, I get, buddy of mine, I remember once, he was, you know he was comparing um he sent me this meme comparing three years of obama versus three years

of trump i'm like i looked at it i'm like hmm why is he comparing the first three years of obama versus the last three years of trump or whatever it was yeah i'm like let me go look at the numbers yeah why because that was the only in that whatever category that was right that was the only number that was the only three year sets that worked for for obama Work for the argument. All four? Nope. Yeah.

Both the same three? Nope. This is what I find really interesting. People will pick the things or the data and the information that is like that tends to their argument. That is like, yeah. You know, some of that is an interesting story I've told for a long time. So when I was that, when I first went to Cal Polyte.

He was in a critical thinking class. Yeah. The best things I ever had was we had to do a report. Yeah. And I did one on a controversial topic, right? So I did gun control. I didn't want against gun control. And then we did a research paper.

We had to go back when he had to go to library and look at everything up. Yeah. So when we turned it in, the teacher okay, now I need you to write another paper on the other side. I'm like, oh, it's going to be tough. Okay, we've got to do this.

So I start researching the other side, right? Yeah. They were all, they were both sides were quoting the same studies. They were just, they were just, they were just using the numbers different. Yeah. You know, it's like if you crank the numbers different

and use it for, if you actually go back and crank the numbers, it makes it, it makes it, it does, they can work for either side. Yeah. You know, so, I mean, it's just, it's crazy what they can do with numbers. Or like, um, forks overnight, uh, whatever that, with the China study.

Oh, okay. Being thing. Yeah. So, my, so I was looking at it up and I was talking to me So I went and I look, I always looked up the statistician guys. I'm looking up, and I found one guy, he went through and we calculated all of it, right? So it was comparing, the studies comparing rural China versus industrial England or industrial Europe. And that's how they're kind of, that's two completely separate.

Yeah. But if you go in their own study and you take the 10 provinces they had in China, the two of them that did best, actually ate meat. Yeah. But on that being said, those two provinces also, which would have affected it, you know,

health and some, were the richest provinces too. That's why they're eating meat because they had the money for me. I see. So, but so, there's so many different things

can be, you know, it's not, it's not, you know, a lot of these studies and people like, statistics that they throw out.

Like, I'm like, come on, I, I'm tired of the research and your stuff. It's just terrible. Yeah. But though, like, you know, like,

I've got a buddy mine, always, quote, quotes, what do you go, what do you go, occupied Democrats, which is like, that's on Twitter, right? Yeah, so I'm like,

or Facebook. Facebook, yeah. But, I mean, if you, if you look, if you look it up, it's, it's, like, it's like, it's known for misinformation, it's known for,

it's like, I mean, why, why do you bother starting with something that is known for this is what it does? well i think it's like people just want to believe what like what some side is a green yeah well yeah you ever see that with that that that movie you have a social the social dilemma or social yeah the social dilemma yes is that the one where yeah yeah one where it's going through and so on it if you start doing this

it starts feeding you all stuff yeah well the algorithms to feed you more of what you're already looking at and what you already you know you got you you want your people they want it to you want to you want to support everything that you that you You like hearing things that's important where you believe. Yeah. You know what I think in the big picture, it seems as if like division of people is almost the goal of all these things,

as if like dividing people and keeping people divided is what keeps the people at the top in power. That's what it seems to be. Like if you just look at it objectively. Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like I don't, I don't, I don't, as long as you, look, you don't mess with mine, my people and be our kids or kids

yeah of course you know people that can't protect or people who can't protect themselves yeah we're good do whatever you want I don't care you live you do what you believe I'll do what I believe

yeah I mean I'm okay with that as long as you're not but that's the thing I think it's fucked up I think it not that that mentality's bad because it makes sense I understand like you we have to ultimately take care of what's ours but I think there's also like there's somewhat

of a flaw in it because that's also in not addressing the things that just keep happening, it's only going to keep getting worse. And at some point... Oh, no, I'm not what I'm not saying. But it's not, if we can let people... But we're not, we're not.

It's just like, it's crazy. You know, the other thing... We're not letting people... We're not letting people... We're just not letting people... Like, you know, everyone wants everyone to believe their thing. Yeah. And they, but I can't...

I can't believe yours. Yes. You know, when you were trying to tell me... You know, you want to... You can believe whatever you want, but you can't tell me what to believe. Of course not, yeah. And don't try to act like you can force me to believe what you believe.

Yeah. That's not going to happen. I mean, I'm willing to listen. If you can convince me, I've been around a long time and I don't change my views very often. But, you know, I'll listen to you. If you can make a good point, I've had a few people at least make me understand their side a little better, which is good. It was nice because I like to understand why. I don't fight so hard for something.

Yeah. what do you what do you what do you think you're most passionate about now because obviously you have your kids fighting in the past yeah all my kids and I I want to how I want to get back like honestly I've realized I've affected a lot of people over years you know what I mean I've been getting had a positive impact on a lot of people's lives and yeah you know that feels good you know I people that come to me and even though I don't I don't really understand how I helped them to do this

or I did that for them or what but you know if I did a man makes me feel good so yeah i kind of like feeling good so i try to help out i'm doing a lot of stuff with uh military guys and yeah it's amazing and and uh first responders people you know people put their life at risk for people they don't know yeah i think one affinity for those people yeah my grandpa was a was a um retired uh from the sheriff's department he was a sheriff's corner my uncle was a sheriff Yeah My stepdad Was a retired police officer

How was your childhood Like both parents Simple childhood Oh my dad left for those three Oh shit But we moved back in with my grandparents I was about seven or eight And so it was my great grandma

In one room My mom and my sister in one room My grandpa and grandpa and grandma One room and me and my two brothers in tomorrow Yeah But it was in a nice area Nice area in Santa Barbara. I grew up nice.

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to this podcast that's awesome that was at that sport I always believe in me did you did you have any any sort of things that you dealt with from the like the you know the disconnect of your father you know i don't think so i mean i i didn't really actually you know long ways down the road like i mean i guess if i look back you know like i know his kids came out and trying to find me after after i was on phone on tv got to meet me so crazy and then um my mom and i said i don't i don't want to see that i got my end by my my my grandpa just died so yeah it was like right after that So, but she said, come on, meet and then meet him, come down and meet, have the lunch with us, and we went down and had lunch with him.

And we sat there and had to talk, whatever. I'm glad he was a great father. To you. To a separate family. To a step to you guys. You know, yes, he wasn't. He left and never looked back. So, you know, and I, like, we talk outside and, like, alone.

Like, sure, I said, okay, whatever, so I walk out. And they're like, hey, your dad wants to meet you. I'm like, I'm not interested. And they're like, oh, man, you've only heard your mom's side of the story. Oh, whoa, whoa. What did you just say? My mom's side of your? You mean, you mean that lady that raised me?

That lady watched a watch, watch so quiet crash, I was asleep at night. That lady? Yeah, no, no, no. Hey, you can tell me, we live in the same house, same phone number as the day he left. So he's 25 years too fucking late. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was really irritated because my grand, I think part of it is my grandpa died.

And I'm like, he's not my dad. My dad, my dad died last year. That was your grandpa. Yeah. That's heavy, man. That's heavy. So when you were a kid growing up, did you, did you ever think, like, did it ever, like, motivate you? Like, did you feel like you needed to get some sort of sense of validation? Like, maybe that's... I never, never did. I don't know. I was always, always had my grandfather there. telling me, I manage, you can do whatever you, go get them, go on the son. Yeah. What about your kids now?

Your kids now, like, do any of them, are they any of them into fighting? They do a little bit of stuff. My son's interested in doing stuff. Yeah. I mean, we haven't done anything serious. I mean, I'm not going to push them. Yeah. I want them in a lot of fight.

So I protect himself. And for the confidence as a kid, like knowing that, hey, it's not the first time that I'm not the punch in the face, you know, like, someone's a threat and you're like, it's just, you know, you threaten me. Like, what are you threatened me? It's a good skill for Danes for. You know, he had some bigger kid. I happened to be in the football field watching some bigger kid trying to bully him

and, like, snapped his head down. I would be a little more mad if I knew the kid was training in juditsu. The kid had been trained down a lot of jihitsu I found out later. But a kid snapped his head down. I was trying to choke my son. I was just, like, barreled over him. He kicked him in the head. Oh, shit.

Better get over there. Yeah, like father like son. But he was like, I'm like, and he's, I mean, he's, I was one thing with my son, he's like, he doesn't have that killer instinct that I do. I did, you know, because I'm telling him, when I was a kid, if you did that, and I was a nice kid, too, he really had to beg me, you had to get in trouble to fight me. But if you were trying to hurt me, I'm going to, I'm going to finish it. Yeah, because he's like, man, he's, I thought about hitting him, but, nah, whatever.

Do you have any crazy stories when you were growing up? Any fights and you're growing up? No, I do. No. Yeah. Dude, I, I, I, I, we, I've joked about it before. We were just going over, like, I could sit with nice old buddies and we started talking about it. We fought all the time, man.

Yeah. I loved it. We, we, we go out in Alibista, and we were, like, high school kids, getting fights with people. We had, I mean, I got a lot of funny stories out there. I had one time I got there long story short I had in the middle of it

I ran off the top of a car and sidekick a guy they're flying sidekick What you drove of a car Well my brother Long's long story short You can tell the long story It's all right here I go for it

Okay so my brother So we're round out of the midst Me and my two brothers And two of my other buddies Yeah And all I know is me and my two brothers And we rarely all three of us went out I mean, I talked about, the little brother was like 16.

Yeah. I was probably 20, 21. I was in college and back from college. And my other brother was, uh, 20, you're younger me. And we're sitting there and, uh, I'm talking this girl in the middle street. And this dude walks up, starts talking trash and he was like, you're 20 at the time? I'm 21.

Okay. And then my, so I'm like, my, I'm, I'm, okay. My brother, like, I'm, I'm just talking. How much fight training at this point did you have? I've done, I thought since I was a kid. Oh, shit, okay. Yeah. I was, I did martial arts as well. Not good for that guy.

I wrestled in high school. I was wrestling in college at the time. Yeah, not good for that guy. I was saying, as I'm talking, and I'm like, dude, I don't, I got no problem with you. I'm just talking. I just want to. And then walk on. I'm like, I'm not going anywhere.

You know, I'm right me, and my brother, and my brothers were with me at this time, but it was just me. My two brothers, and I saw these guys. Around the five guys around me. My brother just ran around the other side. And then my middle brother has a short fuse. Really short. So someone said, one of the guys' buddies said something.

Like, it was standing here. So I was here. The brother was here. These guys were like right here. And the guy in front was talking to me. But this guy said something to me. and I said something

to my brother shut the fuck up and by the time I got up out of his mouth he was eating my brother's fist when it drops him and this idiot in front of me turns

to go hit my brother oh he's open yeah yeah and then I I pushed the other two guys through the car through these two cars so

when I got on the fence I turned on my brother's over there fighting one guy my little brother and then I look back my crazy brother is still me and this guy on the head on the car

and there's other guys probably need help so this guy's running on with like a soccer kick and I'm like I didn't know where the only way I can get there in time was to run across the top of this truck car I ran across the top of the car

I swear to I hit him flying side kick and went sideways what was the funniest thing because, you know, we wound up. And then actually this guy was coming out of my brother. I went over, and he was a fine, like a bit of a flying elbow. And he was sitting there still standing. I came up to him like, I was about to hit him again.

I'm like, wait a minute. Oh, no. He's not here. He was just standing. And then, so I go back to school. Wait, what was the girls reaction? You just like, what the fuck going on? I just took off.

I didn't know. I didn't, I just met her. Okay. She took off. But I, I, um, so I, I went to a, so I go to wrestling the next Monday morning in school and one of my buddies comes up and goes,

Hey Chuck, you didn't happen to be jump off a car in either vista this weekend, did you? Yeah, why? Thank you. Oh, man, I heard about it. It was like, because I was, I didn't have a Mohawk. I didn't, you know, I was just, I was just out there. He's like, it's cool.

Oh, that's. But we just thought, I mean, we had so many crazy fights. out there. But it's it's like random people just fighting training fighters is not. Yeah, that means it was we had a lot of fun. Yeah, a lot of fun. A lot of fun growing up that way. I mean, I was, I mean, I tried to get out. I tried to talk my way out of it.

Yeah. Changing topics a little bit. As far as like success and being good, not at the sport, obviously being good at the sport, obviously being good at the sport is training, fighting, being good at fighting. But outside of of that aspect of having success within the sport. How do you think you would tell us like a kid coming up now who wanted to be a fighter to be able to see the most success in the sport besides being a great fighter?

Well, that, you're a great fighter, but yeah, yeah. I tell a kid coming up in the sport. I mean, really, you got to, you know, I tell me, don't rush it, take your time, get in there, go get over a rush it, but, you know, Be exciting. You know, you're going to finish, try to finish fights. Yeah.

I mean, that's what people want to see. Yeah, definitely. I mean, that's what, I mean, that's really what people want to see. Now, if you, if you can pull off a undefeated, long, long, long, undefeated record, even if you're boring, people will want to see you. You'll become famous. You want to get there quicker. Well, it's because, like, those fighters always, like, they're waiting for someone to beat that fighter,

which is why they're so popular. I feel like, you feel like the fighters who just, who, like, who either win by, like, submissions or stuff you're just like they're waiting someone's waiting to see someone be able to beat that guy because he's so good at that one specific thing i don't know i feel like yeah i feel like that a lot too i see that i i feel like i like i wonder if this guy can finally beat this guy like could be for example like he would just beat everyone like not always the same way but very similar where then you're like i wonder i'm like excited to see if i like if someone could even beat this guy so yeah yeah i would i was excited i would always like want to see a different

match up somebody yeah yeah so on fighting then what besides being a great fighter what what do you think i guess i guess i guess the question is like in your opinion i don't know i guess i guess it's a personal thing i think i think a lot of it for to be a fighter you got be you got to you know you got to be able to be able to be able to be personable take the time for with fans skipy either you know they're doing you know

there's guys that they love them or hate them you know they want to watch them yeah you know that's I think social media is so powerful nowadays

because like obviously like fighters they're not social media influencers but like leveraging social media in that sport because like it's such a popular thing for people

like even for example people love watching these podcasts talking to fighters hearing about fighting etc I just feel like social media is like such a massive part of every industry now

where it's like If you learn how to leverage social media, you'd get so much more out of whatever, like, career you're trying to have, whether being like a UFC or boxing or any sort of, like, fight sport. Like, leveraging the internet is just, like, it's going to take you miles ahead.

Like, obviously, if you're a great fighter as well. Yeah, I mean, it's like you get all the breaks you want. If you don't perform when you get the break, it's like I do anything you get. Yeah. You're not prepared when you get there. Yeah. Is what it is.

Yeah, you're washed, for sure. Yeah. So how do you, How did you know, and how do you think a fighter would know when, like, his time is, like, passed? Like, how did you, like, you knew for sure, I guess when you were getting late, it was... It was just, I was, I tried to do everything right, try to change everything to everything, and I just, I was getting caught by punching, and there was, there was no way to, no one that could explain how to make that change him. Yeah. So, I was gonna just, that's it.

Yeah. It's hard, it's a hard thing, think about it. you've been fighting for you know i've been fighting my whole life you know i've been doing fighting or getting ready for a football game for all of a sudden now i'm gonna now i'm gonna be done i don't have i don't have to fight anymore yeah i don't have that anymore so it's got to be a weird feeling yeah it's just a weird it's a weird place to be it and then when i when i when i went to dinner with dana i think he tells the story that he told me you quit and he actually didn't i mean he was there he came he can't i don't think it just doesn't

remember but he came there to tell me he was going to quit and i and i said yeah you know i'm ready to retire and he's like thank god you know like i was going to tell you i'm not going to fight you anymore he said he went through the whole thing so you guys were both coming to be like we're saying the same thing yeah we were coming to say the same thing he was worried i was going to say the same yeah um and uh so you know it and i just i just asked for some time to let me get let me get come to grips with before we announce it yeah what do you what what is it like working with because you've been in me from the beginning I enjoyed it

and I worked out good for me yeah I went to we got great I mean a lot of people you know attack him a lot of ways but I mean you know Dana he always he always told me what he thought we didn't always agree on everything but he always said what he thought

and always you know he was always my friend yeah and you know and man before he before him and the result took over the he um a home run was making $150,000 a year.

Yeah, I mean, they... Think about it really. It was, it was... We weren't making that... They weren't making that much money. Yeah. They really fucking put an effort, man. They're the ones that got us to the point

where we're making real money. Yeah. You know, I got to pay a lot more than people think. Yeah, because he does get a lot of shit. He'll get a lot of shit and all this kind of shit. But, like, I mean, they grinded that business. They built that. I mean, obviously without the fighters, there's no UFC,

but at the same time, like, they turned that into something massive, and they keep going. It's huge. It's huge. It's insane, man. Do you, do you, will you ever get more involved in the UFC or anything fighting still besides, like, you know, the training with, like, your kids? Well, what do you mean?

Like, would you ever want to be more involved? Oh, well, you know, I like doing stuff. I still like promoting the sport. I still like being involved that way. But I got to stay away If people ask me that stay away from being a coach Because I don't want to be gone all the time Because I look at it this way

Like my thing is if I had a fight team I probably had what 20 guys Yeah you'd be gone You'd probably get quite a few guys And then the thing is like It was a well that just don't travel with them I said well but that doesn't work that way Because if I feel like if I'm there

If it would help out Be being there Yeah Would help them out Yeah I mean being there would help out which I, maybe I'm a little cocky, but I think if I'm there,

it helps them a little bit. Yeah. I'm good at reading fighters. I'm good at helping, I give advice during a fight. So, um, so I,

and this kid's, you know, been training with me for years and, you know, and God finally got to a point where he's making, he's being these big fights and, and he's like family, you know,

you're, I'm training with him six days a week. Yeah. You know, you know, it's, it becomes a thing. So,

we, and my, kids get a little older like when they're maybe when they're maybe when they're then you find more time yeah maybe when my son graduated when he's done playing mom maybe I'll start I'll coach you can't go that I'll still be young enough to coach yeah so I still enjoy coach I still work with guys if they want like I'll still come and you know give my two cents and I always do it that way anyway anytime I teach them out to teach somebody I'll show you what I do different I think it's a little different than other people and you can use it if you

on if you don't know yeah what do you do with what do you do with most of your time now like work wise or you're just chilling work wise uh we I'm working on some different things I have a few different projects I'm just trying to see if they're gonna work out yeah still trying to get through you know they're either interesting I think they're going to be fun but until I get through legal I'm gonna you know yeah I do a lot of appearances I just do some charity work yeah and I you know I'm just having a good time I'm trying to get some stuff going a little more. Yeah, for sure.

You're not bad on the podcast, man. I think I saw you on my buddy Bear's podcast. Yeah. Yeah. With Rampage, actually. Yeah, they're good dudes. Was Rampage, was Rampage, what would you say your hardest fight in the UFC was?

You know, I don't know. That's tough to say. There's a lot of hard fights. Yeah. Most disappointing one was I lost Randy the first time. Yeah, Couture. That was tough. Not because I'm losing to Randy

Because I let Tito off the hook I felt like I felt like I Oh I see I let Tito off the hook And it really bad That one was That one actually I

I think it's the only fun I actually wanted I drove straight over my After the bike I was You're pissed I just let him off the hook I'm like

Damn it And I was like And So is that a guy like You just genuinely Actually kind of didn't like Tito? Yeah I didn't like

Yeah I You know I You know, like, here's the thing. But everyone has to be. I don't hate the guy. Yeah. I wish him the best. I hope he does well.

You know, like, yeah, yeah, whatever. I mean, I just, I don't, he wasn't, he's not, I just don't think he's a good dude. He wasn't back to that. He was, wasn't good to people, you know. But, I mean, I've heard he's changed. People say, I've got friends that he's grown up and changed. Well, that's fine, but it's too late for me. Yeah.

But I, I ain't mad. I was, I was great. I see him. I mean, you know, I'm, I've got nothing to, against him. He's a big part of the UFC, getting where it is, too. So there was no fight that, like, really stood out where you're like, this was really difficult?

I think that, I always had that weird thing. I always thought, man, I lost. I can fight. I know what I did wrong. Let me do this again. Just run it back. Can we do it one more time? Let's just start over.

I know what I did wrong. I always had that kind of mindset. I was always like. Yeah. Would you ever do any, like, exhibitions or anything? like that because a rampage was talking about some like something in saudi or something in the middle east where they were going to like some legends fighting type i don't know i mean it's it's you know depends on my body yeah you know it depends on so you're doing something for your your brain as far as

brain as a brain training thing yeah it's pretty it's actually pretty cool like i can show you some stuff on it so it's they're attracting they're attaching like electrodes and they're like running and they there's different ones and there's two different ones that i've tried so i'm trying to what are they what are the two different ones um god now i mean i get me into my what they're called i'm so i'm interested in this because it's it's it's to help you with like i got it i'm they're gonna kill me because it's a different uh what's the name of their thing um companies be rare that's doing it right now but they do like a like that except my electro-magnac thing they probably have a new new originally they it was like a shotgun or

approached right in their head and the guys had complained about headaches afterwards and then uh then it was more like like then it was like uh guided by that computer you know from from doing a brain scan and stuff yeah or whatever and then but the goal is to what just make your brain more efficient and operate and operate better yeah we i could tell you the thing the difference between how i felt at seven o'clock at night um before and after doing that for 20 sessions was night and day. Really?

Being tired because that was here it is. So that was day one, that's day one, that's after 10 sessions, it's after 20. This is what's starting like brain activation?

Yeah, brain, yeah. Oh, delta theta, oh fuck. Yeah, but that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a brain at a rest. Zund was just sitting there resting. So that, I was,

I was running at fire or flight all that's why it's red yeah and so that and there's that but that only the different thing about frontal cortex was at least normal but but that burns a lot of energy all day long because they're always and they say a lot of those guys have that problem too because they get stuck in from being in from a different or different ways and from being in well the concussions too but from being in always having to be alert for so long they get stuck in that yeah and they can't bad for your adrenals it's bad for a ton of stuff yeah but but that does it they teach you it it helps you get back to normal and idling normal

and that's i'm telling you i can tell i can evolving usually like always with everything you try it's like well kind of help i think yeah we'll see but i tell you 100% after 10 sessions i could noticeably could tell wow how tired i was at 7 o'clock 8 o'clock at night i wasn't tired at all And I used to be like, I used to be like fighting. I could push through it, just about anything, but. Wow. By my 20 seconds, I was back to, I, I, I need like five, six hours. So you're wearing something on the head?

They have something and you're watching this. Yeah. Damn, I want to look into this. This is so interesting to me. So you're not training. It's just like a visual thing. Visual thing. Wow.

Imagine something with the brain waves. Yeah. Well, it gives you a dopamine response to using unused pathways that have been fixed or whatever now. Or using different pathways. It actually uses as a video game thing where it gives you a little bit of a dopamine response. So if you're not using it, it'll slow down and... Whoa. And so you notice a real noticeable difference without a doubt.

Without a doubt. That, for sure. I was, I was nine-day different. I used to be like, if you got, if I sat down by 7 o'clock, by that, sat down and we're sort of watching somebody because you're so exhausted from the fighter flight all the long you you didn't really really news you know it's interesting it's like you wonder stuff like that if like that would have helped throughout the career like to calm you down to get you to be able to rest and recover more efficiently yeah and well but then you don't know when it started I don't know

yeah yeah but it is that's what they're trying to go though it's kind of a maintenance thing for for people that are you know you're even even you know you haven't you're out you're out doing playing football doing it's a maintenance thing high intensity stuff where you're getting where you recover afterwards you know like after a fight

you go and recover so you don't know you don't know the name of what that's called though I really want to look into that I'll get with you it's I'll give you this is

I would love to try something like that it's brainperformance.com brainperformance.com yeah and I I'm friends of okay yeah that's super interesting so you felt like

You literally felt like you had more energy in the evening time when normally you would just be like, I'm shocked. I'm tired. 100%. It was noticeable. Damn. Yeah, I'll give you a shot. I love stuff like that.

I love like the biohacking stuff is so cool. And that's the thing. It's like you're not doing really anything about watching a show. For how long? How long are the sessions? 30 minutes. Okay. 15 minutes.

Yeah. Everything. Yeah. So speaking of recovery stuff, did you do any recovery stuff specific? Like obviously you didn't do that during your career? but did you do like cold plunges or ice baths i'll say they changed ice bat doing an ice bat changed my career why in o four um in o four um i we did a little bit fighter and they sent us to get a check up yeah and uh the uh yeah we went in and the doctors out after i was done with the show

before before i thought i should get my knee scoped of stuff and and and and so I but they said it'll be a first second opinion to Curlin Joe I went in there and the guy said hey you know the surgery we're talking about we

we um five years ago we'd have done it for sure but now we kind of think it's 50 50 when it doesn't any good so he's doing a favor can you just take a couple months

and just ice after every workout and ice before you go to bed right so I'm like okay cool and it was and it helped my knees weren't hurt and I was training. I'm like, wait, I mean,

I don't work for my shoulders because I shot this shoulder up three times and this twice because my shoulders rubbed. And so whenever I, they're fine all the time, except for when I pick up the elevator for, get ready for a fight,

they start going down. I mean, when I have my arm in, I was like this. Just to lift your fucking arm up? I just up my shoulder up. But then I started shooting it up after that. But I said it three times before, by 2004.

You were sure what, cortisone? Yeah. In 2004, I shot the son up three times and sold twice. After I shot, and then when I was doing the ice at my knees, I had my shoulders. And my buddy goes, hey, you're icing your knees and I just, why don't you just do an ice bath? Yeah, I think it'll help your whole body. So, okay.

And we don't know what's doing back then. So we do like, we were doing 20 minutes. Holy! What degree? What degree? I kept looking at it out. I kept looking at it. We were down at, like, we started like 50-something.

I saw something where 58 was old, it was cold enough. Yeah. It wasn't that much different. At that time, it wasn't that much different between 58 and 48. So I'm like, okay, I left there. I'd be just under 58. Okay. But like, I was like, because I was like, that's once I, at the beginning we were at 48.

I'm like, I don't have to be this cold. Yeah, dude. I do 42. Yeah. Cold. We were just 20 minutes. And I was sitting there. I was like, oh, that's it.

Oh, Kelly, you're used to it. You never get used to it. No, you never get used to that. I'm never used to that. It sucked every time. But I had the thing, I just turn on the, I put my timer with a 10, 10 extra seconds. Yeah, yeah. It started and I had to be in before the 10 seconds is done.

Yeah. Again, and sit there. But you're saying that made a massive difference in your career? Oh, because my knee, my, I wasn't able to kick as much, I know, after, over, before, like, I started getting, because my knees were getting busted up pretty bad. It was all wearing and tear kind of stuff because I had torn my hands. CELs. Oh shit. Yeah.

And they were rubbing. So they'd rub. And that rubbing stuff, if you, if you keep icing it, you see, time, it's fine. Because what happens if you don't ice it, it swells, and then it rubs more the next time. And then it swells and it rubs more than the next time. Oh, I get it. I get it. So you just keep bringing it back down.

It's fine. Yeah. And it works for both. But shoulder shows that might eat. Damn. Game changer. That, that two nice baths just became, and the funny thing is, like, later on, they said, I said it was going to ice the heat.

And it was funny because I used to, I did, I do it with bags of ice. So we come in and I do it at night, before I go to bed. I don't know, waste all that ice and it cold. So I just put a little more in the morning, and I'd do it again in the morning. Yeah. But then I had to go train right after, so I'd go jump in the jacuzzi and stretch. So I was doing the ice heat thing. Yeah, that's my favorite.

And that really was really helped out. And that wasn't the thing back then. But I guess I, you just like fell into it. And it just fell into it by luck. Yeah. Just because it made sense. It made sense to be a little more warmer. I had to go, because I had to go spar after that.

So, damn. I didn't want to be frozen. Yeah, because everything's, like, really progressed. Like, as far as, like, science and stuff that you can do is supplements. There's so much. Oh, yeah. All that stuff. Those guys, the guys, there's so many, so much better stuff to get, you know,

it's going to keep improving, getting better and healthier. Yeah, because recovery is everything. Like, if you're not recover, it's going to be hard to fight. Yeah. Yeah. The better you recover, the better you can train. The more you can train, the more you can get ready. Yeah.

Was there anything else that you really noticed helped your recovery or your training? You know, we did our sauna stuff. You know, I do like, just the sauna thing. Every, we do that sauna on, like, an active rest day on one day and do sauna stuff, like, going there out. But, yeah, no, I think we didn't. We didn't do as much. We should have back then.

Yeah. I guess it was a different kind of. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, man, dude, it's been a pleasure. Do you feel like the future, like, where do you feel like the future of UFC is going to be? If you think it's going to be, like, the biggest sport in the world? Because, like, there's a ton of competition from, like, I think, other international companies that are trying to, like, kind of get their footing, like, one.

in like the fight i mean they're not to get their footing i mean get their footing over here rather they're massive already kind of over over there internationally but do you think the ufc is going to continue to to be like the number one i mean i think i think it's going to be hard hard to beat them out but but here's the thing as a fan yeah i mean that's kind of what you should want you should want like an NFL because that way no one can dodge anybody yeah everybody's gonna have to fight anybody eventually because they're all in the same yeah on the same league because Because PFL recently bought, or PFO bought, PFL bought Belator. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, here, right. I mean, and they've got a lot of money. I guess there's a, the guys are putting a lot of money at it. Yeah. But, you know, is it better? I mean, I like to see buyers get paid, really a lot more.

But is it better for the fan? I don't know. Yeah, having it divided. Not divided because then he's getting the points where guys are dodging people. and, you know, they seem to the whole problem boxing had where you get certain guys there's one fight, you know, they fight who they want. This division had, yeah.

Well, they fight who they want. They don't have to fight this guy. I don't just like, you know. Yeah. No more games in the ship about who fights who. Yeah. Instead of more selective on who you're fighting and, you know. It's, yeah, boxing's interesting.

What did you think about the Inganu and Tyson Fury fight? Did you see that? Yeah, I was there. Yeah. That was good. I mean, it was interesting. It was good. It was cool.

I thought, I thought, I thought, That was great, man. He got to ask for better. First boxing fight ever. And he dropped him in the second round. To me, that's a win for him, period. Huge wins. That's, you know, he was, if that was a fight, he won.

Yeah, yeah. He was over. 100%. I mean, I looked at it. I mean, I, I mean, I, I love that you said if that was a fight, he won. Because, like, you talk about it, like, a fight fight. Yeah. Because he would have jumped on him and just crushed him.

Yeah. But it's why. one of those things like i mean i people i i think i think if you go by damage and and what and and i got a you could take it in the got on one but but i think typical all the way you score boxing and by points and rounds and yeah i thought i thought i thought i thought one yeah okay cool so you would never do any like exhibition exhibition stuff no boxing or like i never say never say never you never know they ask for me never i think my family and friends were trying to kill me but yeah right on well i appreciate you coming man would you ever do

any workout stuff with me you come come train at the gym yeah sure okay i'd love that man that'd be awesome if you're you're honestly you're you're dope man every time i met you're super calm super nice like even when we came and i know steve was kind of trolling you with that with that video that that we did in the back you were like really calm really respectful so i just want to say thank you for showing up oh no that's why having me man this is it's cool yeah yeah definitely if you ever need me i'm always around love to help but i'd love to get you to the gym and come train but thank you so much for real man it's been a pleasure thank you um so yeah where can people find you anywhere specific obviously right now is yeah here go oh yeah just check me out

so we have at chuckledelf uh instagram do you have a website or anything like you do we're not can't get it i can't get it out right now wait what oh what is it something something new something different not only fans what's going on here can't get you know what the no no funny thing is like no they'll get me to do it and they want me to do it and they want me to do an only Only fans. No, but no, no, no. For work, work out. But, like, they were trying to do,

they're trying to market a clean, clean one, not for that, they make it more, like, to try to be to market it towards clean content. Got it, got, got it. You weren't going to show your dick. No, no. I got kids, bro.

Jesus Christ. I get kids, well, that happened. Okay. No, but it was, I mean, but they, like, I told me, I'm happy to do it, but, like, it's like, you're going to have to send someone home to my house, tell me what they want me to,

what content they want to do. Yeah. And we'll have to agree on it, but I mean, I just, I just not going to, if I have to come up with stuff and do it all the time, I just don't enjoy that. Yeah, I understand that for sure. So, but yeah, no, but it was, I'll explain to you after. I just, I can't really. Yeah, no worries. We talk about it.

So, but so your IG, are you on, like, Twitter? Are you on all these platforms? Twitter, yeah. I'm on Twitter. I'm on Twitter. I'm on Facebook. Cool. So, we've got, we're going to have some stuff coming up.

Cool. Good more stuff. But, well, if I could ever help, let me know more than happy. I appreciate your time, man. Thank you so much. Cool.