RAWTALK - The Day I lost My Pinky...

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

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showing up beating the shit on people yeah you know my you know my problem is that um i saw i take a supplements for a couple of days and then somehow just get out of the routine so what i had to do is when i want to get serious about it i had to um hire somebody in my training camp to give me my supplements every day and make me take it i just have no discipline when it comes and stuff like that but other stuff you had the discipline for it's just just training but um but i'm not self-disciplined i i've always had a um coach you know come stay at my house or we go to training camp and be like all right we got we got to we got to run in the morning we got to do this got to i'm i've never been an athlete to um just get up and like oh i got to do this i got to do this

it's funny because like to get to the level that you got to it's it seems like perception from the outside in that you'd have to be that kind of person because most of the most of the greatest athletes are always like disciplined and they they preach it they speak about it well i always get of all the fighters when I see them, they in the gym, they're training by themselves. Bro, I never really went to a weight gym by myself and just worked out by myself. If I go to a weight gym, without my coach,

I'm just looking around, I'm lost. I don't know what to do. I'm like, what do I do. But in an MMA setting, you knew what to do. Yeah, if I'm there by myself, I just punch and kick the bag for a couple rounds, and I get bored, and I just sit down and I go home. Bro.

Why are you such a character to me? Dude, you're the, I said this before, we got in the pod, but you're easily like my favorite fighter turned influencer. I appreciate that, man. I like to have fun. I'm a big kid. I don't have like an ego, so I can make jokes about myself. And sometimes it comes and bite me in ass.

I get like a little embarrassed if I see the clips. Because people think it's serious. Like I'm really saying I got a little dick. I'm something about myself. You know, I say, you know, just make fun of myself. And some people really think it's serious. I just like making people laugh because it makes me laugh. Yeah.

Have you always been that way? Always. Like even throughout your whole fight career? Oh, my whole life. It's just funny, because to see you on that stage, on the level in the fights that you've been in, it's like you would not expect that guy to be this guy. Oh, yeah, I know. It's weird because I'm two people.

I've been saying this a long time ago. But when I fight, if they ever had cameras, stuff in the back room, I'm joking around and stuff right before my fight, then five minutes. Before I look like, oh, you up? I'm like, oh, okay. Then now I'm up. Now I'm focused. I'm serious about my fight. But before then, my teammates, we just.

joking, we make fun of each other, cracking jokes. Yeah. You just seem like a chill guy. Yeah, I just like to have fun, man. So you started to stream you shit. It's starting to really take off for you, huh? That's crazy, bro.

It's crazy. It's crazy. It wasn't on my radar. I used to stream a long time ago, and I was on Twitch gaming, and then I did a few IRA streams. Then one day I was in the gym, down at Jackson, and this boxer came in,

Dean the Great, a little bit of guy. And he was doing live stream. I was like, God damn, man. What you're doing here with the camera? He didn't ask nobody just in there and we all mess around and stuff. And then his chat started roasting me. And, you know, it was funny, though,

but they was coming up with some good ones. So I got mad and I had a Jackson shirt home with a pocket and I ripped it and my nipple was hanging out. And everybody fell out laughing. And I knew his agent, his manager. And he called me, he said, bro, bro, you got a solid streaming, bro.

I'm like, no, man, I'm not into that shit, man. I used to stream a long time ago. He's like, no, man, I can get you pay. from kick. I'm like, oh, what? Kick paying. He's like, yeah, bro, you can make

X and X amount of dollars. I was like, damn, I do. I got two kids in college right now. They do, they do pay. They paid the per hour more than, based on how many people are viewing you, right? Yeah, because when I was on Twitch, it was like, I'm bad with time,

like eight years ago. I remember I was only making like $1,500 bucks a month. I didn't, you know, I didn't have that many subs. And I don't sub for them or anything like that. So I was just playing. It was mainly so I could have people to get. game with. Yeah. And but 1500 bucks, uh, 1500 bucks to get paid to play video games. I was happy with that. And then he told me what people's making on kick. I was like, okay, let me try

this shit out. Let me have fun. So I treat like a live reality show mostly. Yeah. And so what's the most you've made on kick so far in a month? Oh, shit, man. I'm new. I don't, I don't know. I haven't, I haven't crushed it, man. 30-40K. I haven't crushed it. That's a lot, though. Yeah. Is it? That's good. I mean, for, for, for for most people trying to stream that's like their fucking that's their goal yeah yeah but i got i got a big overhead i like to take care of my cameraman and and and my agent my cameraman um he um left his town and and moved out to um california and you know he he's from the south over there and cost to live in the california way more expensive so yeah you know he's really good he's good to like

not um leaking my shit and everything stuff i don't i don't think about and and you know i want to make sure he was taking care of so for me it's you know it's all about i know one day i'm a grow and whenever i focus on something i'm just going to focus on it so right now you know money's always important but it's secondary yeah yeah has it hasn't always been that way in your life though i'm no hell done no i grew up broke as fuck what you talk about i grew up i grew up i grew up i grew up broke as fuck at what point did it really change for you i feel like it goes in waves though too I'm gonna tell you when I first started making money after the Chuck Liddell fight.

That's when I started making good money because I was fighting in Japan, you know, I worked my way up from $10,000. We was getting paid cash. And them motherfuckers, they were screwing me over big time. The other fighters that I was just as popular or more popular than them, they had been there for a while

and they had different managers. They was making like $200, $250K a fight cash. I was only making $30K. Was that just because your management? It's because my management and I, and, and, yeah, I had like a young, young man and they didn't know. We didn't, we didn't know. And, and they made in the contracts, well, we couldn't talk about how much money we made. So with other fighters?

Yeah, the fighters, you couldn't, you couldn't discuss that. And those fighters, they didn't break that in the contract. They, they wouldn't talk about how much they made. Yeah, that makes sense. So you, so you. Then how did you find out? One day, I was hanging out with another fighter, Heath Haring, and it was just like me, you was just kicking it. We were just hanging out.

And he was like, man, how much money you make it? I said, man, you know I can't tell you that shit. He said, come on, man, I'm going to say nothing. I'm like, all right, I make $30,000 a fight. He said, oh, you're getting fucked. I'm like, what? He said, man, you're popular as fuck over there, Japan, you're getting fucked. I said, how much you make it?

He said, you know I can't tell you that. Motherfucking never told me how much he made. Probably like triple that, huh? Yeah, I found out they was making like 200K. Some of them, it depends, 300. This is Pride Days? Pride days. But it's back in the 2000s, like, it's like 2003, four, six.

Yeah, okay. Three, four, five, yeah. And when you got to the UFC, you were, you knew to ask for more money quickly. Oh, yeah, I had different, I had different, I fired that manager right to that. And then I went, the pride wanted me to fight K1. Then they paid me a $100K cash to fight K1. Then I did another one back to back. So I made, then I went to, then I left Pride.

and I went to this other organization. I forgot the name of that shit. And the Dana White bought that organization to get my contract. To get your contract? Yeah, he brought that organization, scrapped the organization, and just took my contract. Fucking geez. Yeah.

And in that contract, that organization, my manager became like the president. So he knew, remember I told you, I filed my manager? I hired this new manager and he was giving me more money. He didn't want to get me the $100,000. stuff over there. Jeremy Lapin, one of the best managers I ever had. Before now, now that I got Tiki, my manager now.

Yeah. And he knew exactly how much money I've been making. He saw the contract. So he paid me the most money I ever made. So when I went to WFA, he doesn't name my WFA. He doubled it. And then he gave me this sick pay-per-view deal. Nobody ever had that pay-per-view deal.

So when UFC bought my contract and when I followed Chuck the deal, I guess they didn't pay attention to my pay-per-view numbers. And then when I fought Chuck Liddell, like, smashed it, like, seven mil. You got seven mil for that? Yeah. Holy fuck. Because of my pay-per-view.

Damn. So you were really that popular. Yeah, yeah. It was the paper view. But also, Chuck Ladell was very popular at that time. Oh, yeah. I wasn't popular in the UFC at that time. No, there was my second fight.

Nobody, the new fans didn't know who I was. Did anyone ever come back and be like, yo, you kind of got lucky on that? We didn't read that? Yeah, yeah, a lot of people. A lot of people lost a lot of money. They were saying a lot of people was mad. mad at me. They egged my house.

Who egged your house. U.S. UFC? No, some fan. And years go by, years later, 10, 15 years later, go by, I'm in this lounge. I was there the other night. I was in this lounge. And I don't know how true for it it is, but, you know, I've done this interview before. And this guy was like, yeah, man, I didn't like you

when you came to the U.S. when you beat Chuck. I even egged your house. Some Indian looking dude. Look like Neon's cousin. Yo, what? I was like, what the fuck? And my friend was there. He heard him. said, and my friends did a spinning back kick and kicked the guy like, oh, whoa, whoa, then we left.

Dude, egg my house. I was wondering who egged my fucking house. I had been living the house for a few years by this time, and then no one knew who I was until I fought Chuck. Dude, egg my house. When I got back from Vegas, I was, it must egg did like that Sunday. I got back from Vegas.

But what was he mad about? Because I knocked out Chuck. That you won. He probably had a big bet. He had to have a bet. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people lost money. But a lot of my close friends that knew I beat Chuck in,

and pride, bro, they all clean house. My manager now, he was my friend back then. Tiki, he was a fighter. He came to Big Bear and watched me train. It's my first time training with Czech Congo. Do you know who, Chek Congo? Yeah, yeah. And he said, like, man, I walked into the gym

and you was sparring Czech Congo, and he was ripping him off the cage because I was taking them down. He was holding on to the cage. And Congo was way bigger than me. Huge, yeah. And I was ripping him off the cage and picked him up a slam. He said, oh, he said, I wouldn't have made a bet that day.

He said, yeah, he said he cleaned house. I wonder how much money has been made off you on sports. You ever curious about that? No, I don't care what people make off me. I always tell my friends and family, don't tell me if you bet, no, man. I don't want that pressure, yeah. No, I don't want that. What do you think to, I mean, do you know this figure,

the amount of money you've made fighting overall? No, Dana White said something, recently probably like 15 million. He said some reason I've made 15 million. Including that 7 million? That's what, as you said, but, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Were you responsible with your money? Yeah, I was responsible with it. But if I'm going to be honest, I've, I've had two managers that, they ripped me off. Not a lot of money. They just took, like, took money from your deals. Yeah, they stole money. My one manager, I can't really say his name, not like that because lawsuits and stuff.

But he introduced me to some financial advisors for the first time and stuff like that. and they had this like way they made an account that I didn't know about and gave him like a checkbook and a card to it and stuff and what the fuck there's other ways and um other other managers um helped me protect my money and stuff right there but they did some shady shit motherfuck stole one of my houses and everything what the fuck yeah bro it happens to you know professional athletes like especially when you grow up like i did and you don't know a whole lot about about money i like to focus on my fight I don't want to be focusing on all this shit.

But now I got I got really good financial advisors and my manager. He's been my friend for over 20 years. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, now I'm not wary. But, you know, luckily, you know, I've had like a long career after that, after they fucking because I've been hanging out with Riddick Bow.

We actually did a reality show for him and we were trying to sell it right now. Wait, with who? Riddick Bow, you know that boss? Yeah, man. Bro, when I see his situation, When I found out about his situation, bro, it broke my heart because I went through it. But it happened to him at his end of his career, so he couldn't make the money back.

They stole, like, his manner stole like 30 million. Holy fuck. How do you just get away with that? Just details and contracts you're not aware of? Man. Or is it just actual fraud? It's actual fraud, but it's easy to prove, I would assume. But when I look at Riddick Bow, he was like, he just defeated.

He was like, no, man, I was just. I was just stupid. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't pay attention. And you feel ashamed. I felt ashamed because people think he's stupid. But it wasn't that I was stupid. It's just like, you just trustworthy, just trust the wrong person. Well, and also what you said, you being a fighter, like, fighting at, like, the pinnacle

and kind of port to your, any point in your career, you have to focus on the actual craft to be fucking great at it and not all the business stuff. And then you have all these business people who are behind the doors being like, what can I get from this motherfucker? Right. Like, that's, bro, it's a cutthrow. You hear about football players, a lot of, a lot of athletes, you know. So I would tell athletes, man, go get your own financial advisors.

But what I did was, my financial advisor, they're connected to a bank. You know what I'm saying? So they, like, even when I wire money, they got a, I got to sign stuff and everything. The first financial advisor, they wasn't, it was just a firm. And those are the ones that probably can rip people off easier. I see, yeah. Yeah, so the ones, yeah, excuse me, I have a financial advisor that is also connected to a bank. Yeah.

So then you have to, like, okay everything. Yeah, there's a lot of protocols, and they can't even text you your own account numbers and stuff like that. You know, it's like, oh, this is a whole these protocols and I like it that way. So, so talking about fighting and just the fight game, you saw recently that the UFC was sold for $7.7 billion to Paramount. That's crazy. Yeah. How do you think that is, is a good, good thing? for fighters uh or not i'm gonna tell you this it would be good for fighters if they could have their own

endorsements it would be better for them and if the ufc confiscate them because of the pay-per-view buys right that shit's gone now it's gone so if the ufc tell them like all right look there's no to their stars the ones who would get the paperview draws anyway like now since there's no pay-per-view now we're just going to up your purse and up your bonuses and stuff like that then I think it would be good for the fighters. Do you think that's going to happen, though? I don't know. I don't see why Dana wouldn't do that.

You know, Dana is a smart businessman, and I have to give him his flowers. He's the best thing that ever happened to the MMA. That's a fact. You know, so you got to keep it 100 right there. But I don't know. Like, do we have to give that to the fighters by law, by contract? You know, they already had, like, an antitrust lawsuit. So I don't know if that would.

change, I don't know if that's, would change anything moving forward. Yeah. You know about that lawsuit? The one that you were involved in, right? Yeah. A lot of fighters involved in. That was the pain for the, the image in the video game. No, no, no, no, no.

This antitrust, you know, based off my understanding, it was like. That was a, so I'm talking about a separate lawsuit. Yeah, I'm not suing them for nothing else. So, wait, what lawsuit are you speaking to? The antitrust, where it's like a, it's a bunch of, it's a bunch of fighters that's getting a settlement. It should be coming here. I thought that was for the video game thing.

No, it should be, it's for fighters, like, loss of wages. Like, basically what I was told by the attorneys, they, like, hurt the economy around the fighters because the fighters got so underpaid that, you know, they couldn't really buy houses or go on vacations or do whatever. So this big company did an antitrust lawsuit and sued them. I was told that I was going to get $60 million when I first heard. And then now it's like,

know antitrust so many people getting in there like i'm not getting 60 million or more but i thought last time he spoke this was about the image right yeah yeah my manager told me not to i remember my manager told me don't worry about that because he's close friend with dana don't worry about the image and the video game he told me don't worry about that they was going they was going to do something with me i guess and then i guess i went on the podcast you know i just keep it real and something was said and i just kept real and my manager's like look next time i try to get you like some money from the video games stuff like that don't go bad mouth in the UFC blah blah blah blah blah blah I'm like I didn't bad mouth I just kept it

one on it yeah I mean I'm not I'm not at all trying to bat because that's the thing with the UFC is people always argue about more fighter pay and this this sort of conversation around it but at the same time like the UFC wouldn't be the gigantic platform if these people didn't make moves to make it that way exactly exactly so and now it's and now it's like okay now it's on paramount plus and I I think what the the upside for the fighters is that more people are going to see it, but I could see why it's like maybe, maybe feels a little more lackluster for the fighters that are going to be like the top guys who would have sold pay-per-views. Maybe they're just a little bit like, I don't want to say demoralized,

but they now don't have that ability to earn extra, you know? Yeah, but you really think about it. The paper-view model is dying anyway, because a lot of people ripping it off, right? Yeah, all the bullshit streams. Yeah, you can't, yeah, you can't rip off a live stream like that, can you? You can't, like, You can't pirate that, right? No, no. I think, I guess those live streaming services like Netflix, Paramount, Disney, whatever, they have a really crazy control on how people can view the streams around.

Right, right? So the fighters, they wasn't making that much money on pay-per-view buys anyway because so many people still in it because pay-view numbers went up. And I think Connor McGregor and Ronald Rousey was the only ones. That was like the last of it, it seemed like. Yeah, they were, yeah. like those are the cars that you want to get on you won't be main event but if you like co-main stuff like that you still get pay-per-view dollars right yeah yeah so yeah so it might it

might it might it might work out better for the fighters if they compensate them for that yeah or or you said earlier if they can like still work on their own deals yeah if they wear yeah wear like whatever yeah i i hate i hated that they had like their own sponsors and they got to wear like a uniform i i i disagree with that i like for everybody to have their own their own look you know to be individual in there yeah i guess they kind of wanted some uniformity you know why you why you need that boxing don't have that like why you why you need that you mean like because they wear the shorts they wear whatever they want on it yeah they got everybody got the same sponsor everybody looks at why why you need that i would say like just like it's some fighters you know

you got some lower level fighters coming in their shorts look like crap and and and and they got like you know you know bullshit sponsors like you know condom depot or something like that just like all right these are the sponsors that you can't work with you know what I'm saying yeah and the UFC you know they have the means they could be like all right if you guys need some sponsors we can give you some of you know we can give you some of our sponsors and we just you know take a percentage I don't know how they work like a management thing yeah they can do that yeah that makes sense make them so everybody can have their own thing they could have done that instead of making everybody just look the same

That seems like the best option, like for this case moving forward is like almost active sort of management where you can allow fighters certain things, certain, certain, you know, sponsors and then let them sort of pick which ones they want. And if they were helping, you know, facilitate those deals to just keep a percent of that. Yeah, yeah. And then that way you get a lot more revenue. You get a lot more companies come in there because now these these fighters, they're getting so famous. You see them doing commercials and stuff now. So those sponsors that they line with, they like their persona and stuff like that. They can be on their shorts and they can do promos and who knows, do commercials.

But now, you know, UFC fighters, they can do whatever, but it just can't be inside the cage. So they can go and get other deals, but then you can't represent them while you're fighting. And you know, some athletes, they make more money off endorsements than they do their paychecks a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially with this whole social media shit now. All right, guys, quick and around for the podcast. Factor Meals is doing a huge discount right now.

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I don't I don't be honest I don't know much about Crawford I haven't really seen him fight that much but I've seen Conello fight um a few times, so I have to go with Canello on that one. Yeah, I'm going to go with Canello. But a lot of people said Crawford going to eat him up, but, you know what I'm saying? I just, I just haven't seen him fight a lot. What about you? You were supposed to do some boxing and fell out.

Yeah, two times now. Yeah, what the fuck? The first time, I was supposed to fight Shannon Briggs in Qatar, and the whole time it was a scam. It was a scam from the, from the word go. And the craziest thing is Shannon Briggs FaceTiming, and he had these, These guys on that, they said they was from Qatar, but they, but they look like, they look like Indian, right? I didn't, I never been to Qatar.

And he was like, yeah, I got these guys, they excited on putting on our fight and stuff like that. And I'm looking at them and I'm saying, all right, how much they're talking about paying? He was like, 500,000. I said, all right, I talked to you later. And then Shannon Brea called me back like five minutes. No, man, listen, the person's going to, the person is going to be, because this is the first time they're doing it here, blah, blah, but we can, but we're going to

generate a lot more money once you get out there at Qatar and you do all this stuff like there. And then we have like a relationship. When we go and put on a good show, now they're going to see what we're working with. This is, this is going to be huge for us. Like, just don't, don't just look at the small purse. But that was my first, that was my first thought to just like, nah, and keep going. Yeah. But then he talked into it, right? So, like, months go by. I'm talking, I don't see, I don't see the guy's play. He wasted so much time, like, doing everything. He let me put the card together. get my guys and everything because Shannon Briggs we were both supposed to choose our friends

and fight each other MMA versus boxing yeah but he had like a deaf in his family something like that so I put the card together I got a lot of people and I had a lot of stuff lined up and then the guy was talking about me being a president of my own MMA league out there in Qatar he wasted so much of my time bro and then the whole thing was a was a scam and we come figure out how how he was going to make his money wasting time so we figured that he was scamming people go over there, getting sponsored money to put on an event and then never had it. Then with Rashad, the people, he had, they was, they was really planning on put on the fight, but at the end, I don't think we was going to get paid.

I think that they probably had some funding, followed through or something. Yeah. Or they was embella, embezzlement. How was it where? Embezzlement. Inbezzles. Inbezzles money. Embezzlement. And then embezzlement money.

and then we figured out because they they're supposed to give you a deposit in boxing not like MMA and the only reason we found out they were supposed to give us 10% in the purse but they only gave us 5% and they're like oh we're going to give you the other 5% in like a couple of months and the other 5% never came so I got paid I got paid pretty good money

just to promote the shit but still I wanted to fight yeah are you gonna do you plan to do any actual boxing I want to Rashad say he did work on it but i i kind of wanted to get at least one box a match before i got too old so i can say i competed in all the martial arts that i know yeah but i don't know even if i'm 50 i guess but i'm gonna at the end of days i'm the older i'm going to embarrass myself out there older trying to box just because it's something that i say i wanted to do you know what i saying because the young the younger you are you can do but the older you just want to look you know

how older people look when we fight of course but i still i still love it i still love the competition so you think you're at that point where you're just older and you look slower yeah 47 I I feel it you know when I was training for this fight I I brought my coach to the side and asked him straight up look be honest tell me I'm looking so no man you you you you're faster than that because I'm not as I'm not like a um speed I'm not known for for speed you never have been no I've never been known for speed but I'm not super slow but it's just my time he said no you you've been because I was conscious of it because I felt like your speed is the

first thing to go you don't lose your power that fast. So he was like, no, you're moving faster, you're moving around and you're learning because boxing, when you train 100% box is different from MMA boxing. And my coach don't sugarcoat. He's like, no, you look better because he was in the UK and I was training with this boxing coach I heard, name Yogi. And he's down with Jackson. So I was training with a different coach. So I know he's keeping 100 with me because he had went to Saudi Arabia and he was training at Mike Tyson's gym out there in Saudi Arabia. So he couldn't come and be here and trade with me, you know, my coach, Bobby Rimmer.

He just couldn't. And so I pulled him to the side and I asked him because I hadn't trained with him in a couple of months. I was been trained with Yogi. He said, no, man, you're looking good. Even at 47. And he said, your power is there and you're moving fast and stuff like that. So I felt good.

And I just want to get a fight hopefully before it's too late. And then I'd be moving all slow and looking crazy and shit out there. But even then, I'm still going to do it. I just brought Keep my shirt on Keep my shirt You're gonna fight in there with a shirt Yeah, I fight with a tank top on

If I'm like fat out of shape You know how it is When you get over you get it How old are you? I'm 36 Oh god damn Yeah I get it Yeah

No but I get it though The shirt on's hilarious Yeah yeah fuck it I just fight I just fight I just fight with a wife beat on Or something I just I put a sponge on there

I just said No no no I'm not fed I'm just making money Would you ever do The bare knuckle thing Or is that too much? Yeah, I wouldn't like to do bare knuckle because this shit scars, you know,

they're going to last for the rest of my life now. Yeah. And then, you know, I'm always worried about breaking my fists. One time I fought, I fought Dan Henderson and he kept ducking his head every time I punched him. And I fucked up some ligaments on my knuckle. And ever since then, I was always, like, worried about that.

Is it still fucked up? No, no, it's good now. But it was fucked up for a couple of fights after that. Well, because he was dipping. You were hitting the top of his head? That's the worst person. it's the worst place to hit somebody on the top of their head yeah it's like a fuck it's like the crown yeah the hardest part he was smart doing that shit though i can't even get be mad at him

well he needed to probably yeah yeah um did you see did you see the jake paul came out was like i'm gonna sue everyone who says my fights are rigged and shit and he he he pressed up pierce morgan did you see that oh yeah i saw a little bit of that yeah so funny because because all i saw was i was on twitter one day and i i saw jake say he was going to hire these lawyers to like you know sue anyone who said his fights are And then I guess Pierce had got done saying that. And then he made a post being like, I didn't, I wasn't saying the fights for rigged. I was just saying they were imbalanced.

And then he basically was like an apology. You can tell it was an apology. Yeah, because you can't sue something out for that, right? I'm assuming so, yeah. I mean, it'd be different if I said like, yo, I think the fights are bullshit and sense of like he's fighting someone older. Yeah. Like you could say that. But if you just straight up said his fights were rigged.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a little bit of a, it's a defamation kind of thing. Yeah, he came on, he came on the Jackson Park. and I kind of brought it up, and he was like, he was, he kind of makes sense. Jake Paul said, look, bro, that's illegal because people be bedding on. I'm like, oh, okay, you got a good point. Yeah.

Yeah. And then also it affects the way, you know, the public perception where they're like, oh, I'm not going to even watch this fight or bet on this fight because I think it's fake anyways. Yeah. So I see where he's coming from for sure. Yeah, yeah. You could say the, you could say you don't like the fights or you don't, you know,

you don't enjoy them because you think he should fight someone younger, but. Yeah. The only thing I, I, I don't think I said is that, um, really, I kind of wanted to fight to be rigged when he beat some of my friends. You know, but, you know. Way cool, like. Because I don't, you got to hear me out on that

because I don't want to believe that he could really beat my friends. See, I would, I would never throw a fight. I would never throw a fight. But I'm, I don't judge. I'm not going to lose respect for my friends if they throw fights. Because it's called, it's called a work.

Like, at the end of the day, those fights some people look at it like entertainment right yeah so you know um in pride i can say this now because fuck pride they like they said they they fucking know they treat my shit um some of those fights was was fake straight up straight up some of those fights was like i've never done one i've never done a fake fight i've been i've been 100% honest about it yeah but my first fight in pride i didn't catch on to it because i was really green i was like bro i was like 21 22 years old when i was over there and um my first fight i was green when I fought Sakaraba I don't know if you know who he is yeah I don't know

how much you know but he was he was a beast back then he was submitting the graces and shit and then they brought me over because he had just got knocked out by vandalay and so they needed a big tough guy to go out there and fight them but lose and so they so they called me last minute two weeks two weeks notice and um and when they come to pay they paid me ten thousand dollars like my first fight when everybody was over there making bank right and they and they and they was telling me about to pay. They was like, all right, you get paid $10,000 for this fight. And I was like, oh, this is show and to win. I said, what if I knock him out?

They was like $10,000. And then they said, but if he knocks you out, $12,000. I'm like, only $2,000. Like, what the fuck? I said, what? I said, how much if I win, $10,000? How much if he knocks you, you know, but if he knocks me out, they said 12,000. Like, what the fuck? That don't make sense. Then they said, but if he submits you and you don't tap out,

you go to sleep, $12,000. But he has to pay you more to lose. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah, but I don't know, but this is the thing. I don't know if they told Sakaraba that. Because they figured Sakharaka beat me

because two weeks noticed fight. My first time fighting 10 minutes, and it made me lose 27 pounds. And when there was no weight classes. So it was kind of like said without being sad Yeah, yeah But like I said, I was green I didn't know anything about pride at the time

I didn't know anything about Sakaraba No, I was I was fighting in the king of cage And I've heard of UFC I had never heard of pride So I didn't know anything about them So I went out there How'd that fight go? I lost a little bit past the five minute mark

Because I never fought past five minutes before I lost but I didn't Let him put me sleep I tapped out because I'm not letting nobody choke me out unconscious sleep yeah yeah no even in practice nothing like that if I can't get out I just tap out I don't have ego like fuck he he's better to me but they never gave me a rematch damn they were like oh if soccer rite you you don't get a rematch you don't get rematch if you beat him because he was a star he was yeah he was like the john Jones or whoever's the biggest star he was like the connor mcgregor here I guess you

can say that he's he's he was super huge over there because back then pride was bigger than than what the UFC is right now. It was that big. In Japan. Yeah. Yeah. Even currently? Yeah.

Way bigger. Because they did, they, they posted the resorts in the newspapers. Like those pride fighters, they couldn't go nowhere over there. And not only in Japan, but it was like, where a wife, just not America, though. Like, it's certain countries where I can't even go because of pride, even still today. You're that famous out there. You need to go do streams out there. Yeah.

be fucking lit. Yeah, I will. I will. But, you know, I'm doing that podcast and I work my schedule around the podcast. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, but if there's like a big break, I'm doing, I'm going to go back to Japan. I don't know if you know, you ever watch one FC? I haven't, I don't watch it, like, consistently. I've seen it, though. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go out there with rookrook, but the thing about Japanese people is that if I don't wear, um, camouflage or my chain, they don't know who am, because all black folks look the same to them. Real talk. They have no, they can me right in the face and and so if you got the big chains i know him yeah yeah it's crazy fuck so no no no no no no direct fights in your future but you will take a fight i will take i will take

a boxing match not an mma fight because i'm basically i'm basically retired i've found it like um admitted that i'm basically retired how do you think how do you think to fight because i think jake jake paul's trying to fight um anthony joshua now how do you think that's going to go man Anthony is Joshua I don't know why he's Anthony Joshua I think Anthony Joshua knock him out

no disrespect to Jake Paul I think Anthony Joshua would knock him out I'm saying like within like two three rounds yeah you saw what Anthony Joshua did to Francis Mnano yeah come on France you know

I never seen France get knocked out yeah that motherfucker's huge too I mean they're both huge yeah he's huge but you gotta hear the story you gotta you gotta get You got to get Francis Mgonu in here and hear this story, though. I'd love to.

Bro, he was set up, though, for real. On that fight? Yeah, I believe him. Because here's what they do, like, what sometimes people don't understand. Like, in boxing, too, I don't know a whole lot about boxing, but, you know, when you fight for a promotion, they promote that fighter. So he's fighting in Saudi Arabia, so they was probably fighting at 3 a.m. And they had him in the locker room since, like, 12 o'clock.

You don't do that to a fighter. It's so uncomfortable back there. What are you going to do? You can't lay down. It's 12 to 3 a.m. Yeah. And Anthony Joshua walked in enough time to get a hands wrapped in warm up and go out there and fight. So he had all the time to relax.

And they were saying like he was saying like a whole lot of stuff that they do to the to the B side where he don't want you to win. I could tell like based off what he was saying and the relationship that we have with Francis and his personality. He was telling the truth. He was set up to lose. He still got a huge, that was probably one of the biggest bags he ever got. Oh, yeah, he probably got paid more than what he got paid for Tyson Fury.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he smashed it. Would you ever box Jake Paul? Yeah, I would box Jake Paul, but he probably won't try to fight me until I'm 60. You think so? He wouldn't, I don't think he would box me right now.

That'd be a huge fight. I would love to watch that fight. Yeah, that would be a huge fight. That would be a huge fight. You'd definitely get paid on that one. Yeah, yeah. They would have to pay me because that'd be a huge fight. Fuck, I would love to watch that fight.

Yeah, I'd train my ass off. I'll get disciplined myself for that one. To avenge your friends? Yeah, but I'm going to tell you something. Jake Paul is actually a really good guy. Did you hear what he did for Ben Asker? Yeah, after the, what was it? Was it a lung thing?

Yeah, yeah. He paid for it, no? Yeah, yeah, after that. I think it was like 500,000 or something. Something like that. People wasn't really helping the guy out and something like that. After I heard Jake Paul did that, I got, and I, you know, met him, hung out. I went on the podcast.

I got much more respect for him, person as a person. But yeah, I still would like, that's the money fight. Jake Paul is the money fight. It is. But, yeah. Isn't it crazy how that became? That's, he really, no, no matter what anyone says about him being like this YouTube or whatever, He really carved that lane.

Yeah, man. Like, for real. Yeah, man. You got to respect that, too. He just made it something that, I think when it first started, everyone's like, nah, bullshit, not going to happen. Now he's like, legit, a giant money fight, which is. And with all that said, I still knock his ass out.

Fuck it. Dude. No, I get it. It's not personal now. No, of course not. It's business. I would, dude, I would fucking, oh, so many people would love to watch that fight. Yeah, do it for the MMA.

fans. Damn, if you lost, I feel so bad. Yeah, you know, it's part of it. Yeah. It's part of, you know, one thing about me is that I'm, I don't know if people can understand this, but I'm not afraid to, I'm not afraid to risk a loss. Yeah. I'm not afraid, like, I've lost before. I lost my first professional fight, so, you know, you win something, you lose something, but as long as you go out there and fight with all your heart, that's, that's, that's all that matters to me, but I really like entertaining the fans and all my, you know, and all my, MMA fights, I always put entertainment first and the win second. But if I fought, like, Jake Paul, I don't care if it's a boring fight.

I got to get that win. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Normally you want to entertain the fans, but that fight right there, that would be my, if it's like, say if it's my first boxing match, too. I would rather have a boxing match first, though. A different one. Yeah, I would rather, like, know what it's like to be in there in a real boxing match.

Yeah. You know, do at least six rounds, you know. It's crazy how different it actually is, even though it's still just striking. It's such a different fucking sport. Yeah, I'm going to tell you how, this is how Jake Paul is beating the MMA fighters. If you know fighting, you watch him.

He still, like, he slips, punches. He duck punches and he just naturally because he's been training just strictly boxing. MMA guys, we really don't do that. Kind of just more go in and dive in. We go in and we fight. You know, we have defense or stuff like that, but, you know,

first, Jake Powell, first time losing, he fought Tom and Fury, right? Yeah. And Tom and Fearer wasn't on my radar. I saw a couple of Tom and Fears fight, and he sucked, right? But Tommy Fury got a little bit more experience with, if you go back and watch the fight, he's moving, he's ducking, and he's avoiding. And that's, that comes with boxing experience. And that's something that MMA, most MMA guys, we don't have.

They're kind of just standing and banging. Yeah, we're just standing and banging. And that's, and, you know, if you go against somebody who has a little bit more experience, that's what's beating you. Not that the guy's better, well, I guess he is better and you got more experience, but not that the guy's tougher than you or a bigger puncher, you know what I'm saying?

If he can get out of way of your punches and make you miss, because every time you miss a punch or stuff like that, you get tired. It drains you. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I've seen what Jake Paul is,

where he's winning. And me, I still don't, I still don't have. I naturally slip punches. I've always been that way. And even in MMA, I just, because I grew up watching Mike Tyson, I see him slip punches. So when I've always trained it, where I always try to slip punches.

I'm not that good at it, but sometimes it gets me in trouble. But I just like doing it, but I don't do the, I don't do the, like the, I don't, I don't do that naturally. I see. And that would, that would give me in trouble, but hopefully I still got a good chin. I think that I think that I can probably take his power. And because me, I've been known to take a few punches to give, to give punch because I don't mind getting punched. What about me and you? Yeah, I love it.

I give you, like, what, what, five minute, five minute round, three minute round? Three minute round. You, you're probably, you're a big guy, you'll probably last like two rounds. Probably? Yeah. I don't know about your chance. What if my cardio was really good? Oh, if your cardio are good, you'll keep getting back up.

I keep getting back up. You'll keep getting back up because your cardio keeps you from getting knocked out. And I don't know how you can take body shots. I don't know about you. I'll test your body. Have you ever been dropped from a body shot? No. Well, I've taken body shots.

I've never been dropped from. Yeah, I never been dropped from a body shot either yet. I can probably drop you with a body shot. Let's go. I'll get you one. Right here? Yeah, come on. No, no, no, no, no.

I haven't been trained in a long time. No. You got boxing, get to put the M&A gloves I got you. Just smack you? Yeah, come on. I haven't been punched at a long time. Oh, you tell you. I was not just snatching the shit out of you.

Yeah, you've been trying to try to drop me. Go ahead. No, no, no. Go ahead, go ahead. Don't break my rear. No, I want to have. We're both to ride bikes. Don't break my rear.

What we do? Yeah. That was actually pretty good. I feel that I'm good, good. I'm ready. I'm ready. You can take party shots. KSI and Logan, when they first started the whole boxing thing.

They looked little, though. Back then? Are they big now? I think Logan's bigger now I don't know anything about Kay I haven't seen much of him like I never seen him in person but they look like small guys

like right at 200 no Logan's big is he motherfucker's big bro is he yeah he looks small on TV really to me yeah my motherfucker's big dude is he tall?

Yeah oh okay he's killing in pro wrestling though yeah he's going crazy that's good it's crazy how both those brothers like really really took the whole YouTube thing and just became like a hundred percent mainstream. What do you think it is? What do you think it is that why they can do that?

I think they're very fucking smart. Like all bullshit. Like people talk shit about those guys forever, but I think they're both very highly intelligent. And I think they get, they understand entertainment and they understand the business. So it's just like,

they just like fucking beeline straight to the fucking endpoint. I mean, out of all that, because I got to think I was doing YouTube. They were doing YouTube. You know, they were most, like daily vloggers and but they took it to such an extent so quickly that I mean no one's no one's no one's

no one no one I don't else has done that at all to that degree do you think it's too late for me because you know I'm probably like one the oldest RL streamers no I was going to say this about you like I mean said it earlier you're like hands down my favorite athlete that is like now a content creator I think there's just some people just have that spark that it just just makes them entertaining no matter what they're doing and I think you have that yeah but sometimes I go back and out you know I watch some of the stuff I say it's kind of like I'm telling a lot of dirty jokes and I'm doing a lot of stuff and I'm like I notice like some people don't they don't really get my sense of humor and I'm thinking like is that is that is that good for long term or should I think I should

I think I should broaden my type of um my sense of humor my type of content what do you mean like some people aren't supposed to like your sense of humor though oh okay it's not always for everyone. Not every, not everyone's sense of humor is for everyone. Yeah. But you've done really well. Like, you, you average, like, a decent amount of viewers every time you live stream, all that shit. Yeah. And you're just entertaining. Also, do you drink a lot? No, I really, really I don't, but sometimes when I stream, I do. Yeah, I noticed that. I think I should stop getting drunk on stream. I'll go back and watch it. I'm like, God damn it. What the fuck was I even saying? You can, you can hear, me, I know myself. I hear how drunk I am.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I actually, I'm a social drinker. But sometimes when I stream, It's like, I'm not like setting up a lot of streams. Like, you know, yesterday I did a collab with neon and then I did like a dating show. And then I collab with Aiden Ross a couple times and I'm just falling in their lead, right? But normally when I stream on a day-to-day basis, it's like, y'all just hanging out with me.

And then, you know, since I'm like not training for a fight, nothing like that, sometimes my friend invites me out. And then next you know, I end up drinking in my pool, having a Taco Tuesday party trying to get girls to twerk or I'm in a nightclub or some shit. And he's just hanging out. with me and I'm trying to rise up grow. I'm trying to do whatever. Yeah. And I think like, man, I shouldn't be,

I shouldn't be getting drunk on stream. But I don't, I don't think a lot of streams do that. I don't think they get drunk on stream. I think, I think, I think you'd be surprised. I think a lot of them drink before they make, I think a lot of content. Oh, okay. Like, I've been around for long enough. I see a lot of people. Like, people just take, like, shots just to feel like more comfortable. I guess being themselves. Oh, yeah, but I'd be, I'd be getting fucked up. Yeah, I know, because I've seen your clips. There was like a funny clip of you in a bar, with someone, like, and you're just, you're just like, I can't, I also can't tell if you're joking or not.

A lot of times I'm joking. Okay. Yeah, a lot of times I'm joking. Even if there's, even there's no camera on, I'm joking. And the thing is about me is that I can say a crazy-ass joke or something crazy with a straight face. It's just how I am. I can just, I can just say it with a straight face.

And I'm just 100% joking. It's just like, it's just a pure fabrication of me just make it up. I got like I made up my son my son is really mad at me bro he like they think that shit is like jokes my son is really annoyed by me because um one time I was on a podcast and I just made up a lie right there on the spot that I walked in the room catching them having a fat girl orgy and I was like I was like one of those fat girls was like jumping on his face have you seen those those those guys yeah yeah the weird the weird like people are into that shit yeah and I and I'm and I'm and my son got mad at me because uh he said it went viral and and and people

People saw it, like, asking me if it was real. And he said, fat girls started sliding his DM, sending him nudes and shit because he liked fat girls. And he, so when I got, when I started streaming, he was like, man, I'm, he said, man, I'm going to fuck you up. So now he make up jokes and called me Tranpage. He called me, he got my chat calling me Tranpage. Trampage Jackson.

Yeah, because he said, he called me with a trend. I'm like, but he said that because I told everybody he's a vegan. I'm like, son. You do like the Asian countries a lot. Yeah, but I like the women. Oh, no. It's a little sketch. He's like to be right there.

Hey, Asian women are sex and fuck. I'm with the Latinos now, though. You spent a lot of time in Thailand? Yeah, I did two movies there. Oh, yeah. So maybe he's on to some shit. Nah, no, no, he's not. That never happened.

No, never, never, brother, never. You never were like, ah, no, I can't do this. No, no, I can tell right away. You can, bro, you can, when you like women, you can tell. Yeah. So this is my thing was, me going there, I thought that guys were really getting tricked they're not if a guy tell you he got tricked

most of the time he didn't because this is what I learned if you go to those bar-fine bars the trainings can't work in there because it's going to make the bar look bad right they can't go in there and maybe they have bars just for that

yeah maybe but one time this is when I learned a lesson one time I was in the elevator leaving leaving the hotel room and I did see this girl from back and you couldn't tell This is the one time that you don't want to stare at the corner of your eye I didn't have the initial like oh that's a man you couldn't tell and she was with an Indian guy And then we all got in the hotel and elevated together and then she started talking and he looked at me he told her

So as soon as she started talking you can tell so I'm like oh these motherfuckers come here just for that Yeah so guys go there just for that but no I never been tricked I can tell right away but I have been tricked on pictures like my homegirls I'm like, all right, which one is a man? I'm like, oh, maybe this one's like, no, it's this one. But in real life, no, you can just, something about them. The energy, it's just something about them. They try too hard or something like that, but no. But my son also saying stuff like, one time I took him to the grocery store,

this one he first started this one, then he, you know, I want him to cook me some steak because my chef was, he was out of town for a funeral. So I don't know how to cook, but my son, I always made sure he knew how to cook because when I found out he wanted to be a fight, I said, look, cook for yourself, and I had him cook it for me. And we was buying meat, and the guy was like, the butcher was like, something for him.

I said, no, he don't eat me. He's a vegan. And he got mad at me. So he told the butcher that I get my ass ate as an equivalent. He don't understand. I'm like, son, that's not the same thing. So now he's, because I did that one podcast, made it up a joke, it's just a joke. It's just a joke.

He knows me. He knows I'm joking, but he's embarrassed that I, that I do these jokes. So now he's, he's spreading rooms about me. So now they, they be,

that's never happened then, right? No, come on, man. What the fuck? I'm not into that shit. But my son, he just,

he's a, now that I'm streaming, he's trying to embarrass the fuck out of me. You stream with him? Yeah, I stream with him sometimes. Yeah. You should have brought him today.

No, he, bro, he don't, he's, he's, but he's trying, he's trying to, fight on that brand risk with um aden aden yeah who's he gonna fight they i don't know wait how many fights has he done he's done some fights well he got four amateurs and one pro yeah so he's he want to do

the boxing he just want to get back in there is he has does he have interest in social media like he wants to do it he's thinking about streaming we got i got him a setup and everything he got a camera man so he he wants to he wants to start streaming because um because like i said brand risk that's the only thing that got him excited uh was doing a boxing match so he said he'll start He'll stream and he'll stream his workouts and he started streaming content because he wanted to start doing something. And plus I told him, man, I'm done. I'm done like taking care of you. He's 25.

Yeah. Go out there in the world and become something. Yeah. Yeah. This is a good turning point of the conversation. So that's, so you've been taking care of him his whole life then up until this point? Since he was, I got him when he was six. Okay.

Well, how do you know when to be like, oh, you got to figure this out? bro i've been telling that shit for a long time when when i'm when you know i'm paying all your bills and you 25 yeah you you're paying i'm paying all these bills yeah you really don't have to do that i don't have to do that but this is the thing about my son i've been trying to like um motivate him by spoon feeding him like um i i got him like a pretty decent car for his first car like a Mercedes SUV. Really nice. Yeah.

Yeah. It wasn't nothing nice. It was, you know, used Mercedes SUV. And he just, he don't, he didn't appreciate it. And then, then I'm like, look here, son. Go, go out and fight. And I got him a good contract with UFL. And I had him sponsored by F3 Energy. And he just, he just didn't care.

So I try to spoon feed him, like give him a little money here and there. He's content with it. I'm like, man, how do you? got girls and you want to take girls out on date and stuff like that and you content with the little money that i give you i've tried to spoofing so he'd be like no fuck this i'm broke i need to go out here and work and do my dude my dad ain't really just i'm not gonna spoil him yeah he's content he's he's he's content with being broke i don't understand it yeah what who you think gave him that wasn't you no i i didn't i didn't raise i didn't raise them and be there be that way i just he don't

but like me i don't care about money he he don't he don't care about money he don't he don't care to have like a fancy car right now i i took the Mercedes back and and i gave him a beater i'm talking about a piece of shit just to see if he's going to he you know he's i'm happy with this car i mean there is some there is some like

good to that like being able to be you know grateful for whatever it is that you have but at the same time yeah you you you'd want him especially like your son to want more from his life yeah i don't understand i i couldn't do it you know i've been like i moved out here I left everything back home in Memphis.

I left everything. My job, my car, you know, my family. And I moved out to California. And I was broke as fuck. I had to get a job bouncing and moving and stuff. And I just, I like, I got to make it. Yeah. I had that hunger.

He don't have it. He don't have that hunger because he got his dad. My dad wasn't, you know, able to help me. Like, I'm able to help him. Yeah. So I guess, I guess that's what it is. Because somebody told me that, look at people like Michael Jordan's son or, you know what I'm saying Magic Johnson's son or somebody like you should see more on children of you know

big star and NBA you should see them more in NBA but you don't see it they don't have the same drive they don't have to yeah they don't have the same drive I mean they grew up differently they grew up different yeah so it could be uh it could be that and my son he feel like um he's living in my in my in my shadows you know they that that's what that they have that that that complex like um You know, Sugar Shane Mosley. Yeah. And his son, his son, you know, broke it down. His son, he said he had to overcome that because living in his father's shadow

and same with Anderson Silver's son. It's a real thing. I get it because almost even if they did everything they could, it's like it'd be hard to recreate the same sort of, whether it be like star power or success regardless. Like for anyone. Yeah, they always compare you to your father is what these guys are saying. And my son has that same, he has the same complex, though. He wouldn't take any of my advice or anything.

I told him, like, son, if you want to be a successful fighter, I want you to be the best. And I'm like, you can't be a vegan out here fighting because when you lose weight, it's going to fuck you. And he's not listening to me. I got him a good manager. I got him everything. Wait, he's really a vegan? Well, he says he's not, he'll get mad at me if he sees it because he, that's why he says shit about me because he don't want me to talk about his diet. but he said he's not really a vegan because he's not doing it because his love of animals

and he eats honey he said vegans won't eat honey but why does he eat yeah again because no animal product but why does he eat mostly vegan then uh he said because it makes him feel better the way he said because the way he makes him feel and i don't understand what he got that notion or what what what even made him try it i i don't know and you know he that's what that's his diet and i'm telling him like i don't got nothing against vegans right You know, but I just don't see you being a champion fighter, a successful fighter, when you have to cut weight because he should fight at 155 because he's too small for 170.

He's strong enough to fight at 170. The kid is strong. I don't know how he's so strong being a vegan, probably because he came from my balls. I'm naturally strong, but you take me to the gym lift weights. I can't lift weights. Yeah, you can. You bench 225 easy.

Yeah, but I've been doing that since high school. That's just natural strength. And so obviously he has that. Yeah. But you're right. The vegan thing is just sort of like there's, I don't think there's anyone who's done it successfully for more than like 10 years without having like real health problems, like actual health problems from just eating like that.

Yeah. And it sucks when you cut weight. When you cut weight, you can't get that. You can't get all. You know what happens when you cut weight. Yeah. You lose a lot of nutrients and you can't get it back in time enough with that sort of vegan diet.

I get it. Yeah. Yeah. The vegan thing's interesting because I think it's a really good diet, like, but intermittently. Like if you did it for a few months, you just say vegan. But if you just kick meat entirely forever, it just seems like it's going to be a problem. Yeah, when does he start losing hair?

Because I can't wait for that to happen so I can rub it in his face. That depends. Everyone's different. When did you start losing your hair? God damn it. We can talk about it because I can tell you mine. I'll tell you mine right after.

All right. I think I think I started losing my hair after I did testosterone after fighting John Joan. That's why I think. Because none of my brothers are bald and my dead it's not bald and my mom all her brothers are bald

so I figured it comes from your mom's side that's what I heard but yeah I think for the most part but none of my brothers are bald wait this was funny because there's a there's a clip of you

and me and me and you talking about you taking steroids and you say no no I didn't take steroids I'm maddie bro you took testosterone that's not steroids it's not gonna age well no I don't care what

it's not because it's different molecule your body Our body produce, so our body produce steroids. Our body produce steroids. Yes. No. Testosterone. Yes.

That's what I'm taking. The same thing my body produces. But our body produces it naturally. We take it if you took it exogenously, then you took a steroid. Because testosterone is a steroid hormone. No, I refuse. No, I swear. You can't refuse science.

No, I've talked to a body business up before. It's a difference between steroids and testosterone. No, testosterone is a steroid hormone. Oh, is a steroid hormone. Okay. Why was the UFC allowing it with a doctor's prescription? because they're probably allowing it to a certain dose. Right, to a certain dose.

So if you're not taking, like, for example, a lot of people will take TRT or HRT, which is basically like replacement therapy. So you're getting your levels normal. Right. So I'm assuming they're allowing you to be at a normal level. Right. So you're not at like a super physiological level,

which is like, that's why they say roids or steroids, somebody who's taking a bunch like a bodybuilder. And you probably were not doing that. No, no, I never done that. Yeah. No, but so. But you did take steroids. No, I didn't.

No, I didn't. Would a doctor prescribed you steroids? A doctor can, yeah, if you go to a TRT. Anabolical steroids? Yes. Steroids are all, every, every, like, steroid hormone is both and anabolic and metabolic. So testosterone is androgenic andabolic.

There's other compounds. You didn't take any other compounds. No. But you took testosterone, which is a steroid hormone. So you took it, but you didn't take it to a crazy degree. No, no. We was allowed to bring out levels up to like 800. Which is normal.

Yeah. That's like a normal level. Yeah. But that makes sense. Yeah. So you started taking that after. I thought John Jones. Yeah.

And then I think that's when I started losing my hair. Well, because did you get your blood work after you? You're like, you know, my shit's fucked? My shit was low. Oh,

that's bad. You know what the crazy thing is? So you think if you had hired Cecilusia you would have beat John Jones? No, I don't know. That was a crazy fight because I never lost a fight.

But were you in the fight being like, fuck, I'm weak? No, no. You were just like these eyes, these fingers in my eyes. Yeah, no, I had no idea. I had no idea. Nothing.

My sex drive, everything great. No problem. I trained super hard. I'd never lost a fight being net prepared for a fight and with no injuries. I had almost zero injuries. Even though my knee, my knee have always been fucked up, but it wasn't injured. Yeah. The one I had surgery on, I've never lost a fight being dead prepared for a fight.

Never. So that wasn't on my radar. I was actually overly overconfident. But if I was like, there's no way this kid. Because nobody knew who John Jones was at that time. I just knew who's an undefeated kid. I looked at him like, oh, he's skinned. bone he's just tall

that motherfucker's a fucking assassin bro yeah beast one of the best fighters on the planet yeah what do you think about this so this is on the john jones thing he was supposed to fight tom aspinall um and then he you know he's basically sort of put it off because it's this whole conversation

around like legacy and how is that add to his legacy and then he's supposed to he was like you saw this whole UFC white house card right and then he's like i'll do the fight if i could do it there yeah i think I think they should let them do it there if they want them to fight. But that's coming next year.

And to be honest, if you really think about it, it's only better for Tom Asinol because the longer John Jones is outside of the cage, the more rusty you get. But I said this before, I think John Jones is like the Neo of MMA. Yeah, like it doesn't matter. He's no win. That's why I feel.

I feel like the kid's mind is so strong that even... Because if you saw the way he looked against... stepe and you know but stebe hadn't fought for a long time yeah but i i thought stepe was going to um do a little bit better no just no disrespect to stepe i love stepe i thought stepey had a good chance of knocking him out but john jones just proved again like man his mind so mentally strong and saying that i'm i'm talking about um john jones did like finish him with a spinning bad i thought he'd probably go win by a fucking decision but he yeah that was nuts that was nuts that was an insane

I won a lot of money on that fight I for real? Yeah I bet a ton of money on that fight Was John Jones underdog No So I had to bet a lot A lot to win a lot

I bet a fuck ton of money on that fight And I just anytime I see I'm not gonna lie Anytime I see John Jones fight I'm betting a ton of money on Yeah yeah But a lot of people seem like They think that Asana all can beat him

A ton yeah Well I think it comes with the narrative That like because he hasn't been fighting him That they think he's dodging him So in the fact that they think that he's dodging him, that they put Tom on a higher playing field of like, oh, he's going to beat him because he's been dodging it or they think he's dodging him.

Now, I thought that, honestly, I thought John Jones was just holding out for more money. That's why I thought. But then he said he retired. But I heard he got offered $30 million for that fight. They take that shit. Yeah. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

I thought I heard he got offered that much money for that fight and still didn't want to do it. But so maybe it is. That's what I'm saying. like is it it sounds like if this the ufc thing is being announced it's the white house fight and then all of a sudden i feel like the next day he was like i'm fucking training i'm ready to do it maybe he is truly sincere about it being a legacy yeah yeah because that's like to be able to do that fight in front of the white house is like once in a lifetime forever yeah you think

we'll get counterback for the white house right man i wish man i think if those two were on that car that'd be the biggest i mean that would be that be the biggest fucking the most people ever would watch that fight but then again who would conner fight chandler yeah that's the one that's one they were trying to put together huh yeah that's a good actually that's a good fight for him now yeah if you think about it be honest though how many times did you look at connor's dick with their weight on it be honest come on you actually i saw once i saw once i'm not gonna lie i'm not gonna lie because because i was like someone mentioned and i was like no this isn't real so I went on Twitter and I was like, oh, okay, yeah.

You thought it was Photoshop? No, I just, I didn't like, I didn't look that fucking hard. Don't get you wrong here. I just looked enough to see, like, what is everyone even talking about? Because I have to know, you know, conversations say, do podcasts. Yeah, yeah, you did. No, be honest, you seen it too. No, no, it wasn't.

I want to see you right and pull it up. No, no, fucking, uh, Aidan showed it to me while I was fucking streaming. I was with my son. The same day I told me at the fucking grocery store. He showed it to me. I thought I was going to get by by not seeing this shit. You heard about it. But I was like, damn, I'm like, damn, that's why I, that's why Connor act like that.

He had big, dick energy. This motherfucker living weights with his dick. Who does that? What the fuck? Yeah. Was it? I didn't see the whole thing because, wait, because I was live on stream. I guess Ada was where about getting me band.

Yeah. So he cut it, he cut it off. But what, how was it? Was he curling the motherfucker with his dick, I don't even remember seeing something on it. I just remember he was just took a, he just took a picture in the mirror. Hey, I think, I think, I think, um, Connor ain't stupid. I think he. he wanted everybody know he had the big dick he's going on for sure you don't send it

but my son told me if you don't want to leak that you don't send into that girl that he sent it to yeah i mean that's like even when the whole drake thing like you you leaked the shit on they leaked this shit on purpose oh okay yeah you saw so you saw you saw drake's dick too well bro i'm a fucking podcaster what you mean you got to know whenever i somebody's about what's going on in the world. Someone else about a leak of a big picket. You got to go and check it out for your podcast. No,

I'm just saying because like a conversation piece, you know, otherwise we have this great conversation. I guess. I got, look, I didn't see Drake's. Oh,

okay. Pull me, pull it up? No, I got my own, bro. I got my own. Yeah.

No, I do think they are every, every leak, like me and go back to the Kardashian shit. It's all planned. All that shit is. Yeah, I bet, I bet. That's just all planned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard about the Kardashian one. It's almost like to get people to talk about them again or something. Yeah, yeah. But that shit, that shit's, like, I had to turn down a movie one time with John Singleton because he wanted me to have a full frontal, right? And like, I don't want my mom. I don't want my mom to, you know, I don't want my mom to be embarrassed, you know, all her friends.

You got to think about that. Like, you got to have some, you got to have some respect and some morals. for your parents, you know, they still alive. Like, like, my dad don't give a fuck it. You know what I'm saying? You know, when my mom go to heaven, fuck it, I'd show everybody everything.

But you just got to think about that. I get it. Because one time I was weighing in, I think I had on my camouflage underwear that one fight. And I was weighing in for the UFC and my mom got mad at me. She called him, she said, boy, what are you doing stuff in socks down your pants?

What are you talking about? She said, all my friends calling me, talking about your son packing. I was like, no, I was just cut, wait, my, my balls probably big. I don't know what you're talking about, Mom. And she was upset. So can imagine what my mom would say if I just do a fool of fun, or even a movie showing everything? Well, you didn't worry about the Midnight Me train then too much, huh?

Did she know about that scene? I didn't get naked. Yeah, that's true. I didn't get naked. I didn't get naked. It was just a fucked up name for a title. And my mom don't think like that. She didn't know until somebody said some shit.

She didn't know nothing about that. So it's more like because people are going to be like, Do you see this? Yeah, they're going to show my mom right away. Like, that's why I couldn't, because I'm going to be 100. Like, when I was out there in Japan and I was, you know, I was thinking about, how could I move out here? I was going to, I only had my oldest son at that time.

I didn't have Roger yet. I was thinking about, how can I move right here? What can I do? I was thinking about becoming a fucking porn star out there in Japan. Fucking all those Japanese. Come on, that would be the life. I'd be the biggest dick in Japan. Come on, man.

Who wouldn't want to be the biggest dick in Japan? It's kind of a flex. Yeah, I'm like, no. Do you think you have any random Japanese kids that you don't know about? No, I don't think so. But this one girl, this one girl that I know I smashed in Japan, she lives in Guam now. She's like one of those hula dancers, and she got a son, and he mixed. He looked kind of like me.

And I know he's just smashing that. And I asked, that's not my son. She said, no, no, no, no, that's not your son. But he kind of looked like me and my kids, though. You don't imagine. But I might do. Hey, I know, I might do have, like, a couple of random kids in Japan. They just, I don't know these.

But you know what, in Japan, they don't have, they don't really have illegitimate kids. You know that, right? What do you mean? They don't have illegitimate kids. What do you think they do? They don't, they can't bring home no illegitimate kids. Yeah, they get rid of them. They get rid of it.

Why? Us, the culture. Yeah. You know, the whole thing, they don't, they bring shame to their family. Yeah. Yeah, they, you got it. It's very rare you, you see, like. So you probably had some aborted kids in Japan.

Probably, they probably. And they didn't tell me. Yeah. But I was, but I was using protection, though. That's such fucking bullshit. I use protection, bro. That's bullshit.

Bro. That's bullshit. Bro, whenever you fight, you got to take a blood test. That's okay. So what the fuck is that? That means you can't,

you can't fight with STDs and shit. I get it. Yeah. And, you know, I always been scared of like all the disease and so, so, yeah, I would wrap it up.

So you really, you use condoms. Yeah. It's good, bro. Most of the time. yeah we yeah i'm not yeah anyways um no i believe you i use condoms yeah i believe you um dude we need to go to japan and do a stream bro i'm going there in november for the rigg-rug fight um what's the date you remember i can't remember i'm going yeah japan is 13 yeah 13 through

the 22nd or something bro it's the most fun to fucking stream it's the best place bro yeah man food everything would you stream a muckbane like a bunch of japanese stuff yeah You know, like, the milk, the milk bars, like the titty milk thing? No, I haven't been, I haven't been to one of them. Bro, you need to do that. On the stream would be, you'd be so funny. You can't show titties on the street. No, you just got to, like, point the camera away.

Oh, I can't drink no titty milk, though. I've done it before, you know, I smashed a pregnant girl. I just be married. Yep. But, wait. It doesn't taste good. Wait, wait, wait. You know what tastes?

Titty juice before? Titty milk? No, I haven't. You know, because I've never had, like, a pregnant girl that was. You never smashed a pregnant girl? Bro, I'm going to tell you something. Pregnant pussy is really good. No.

Yeah, it feels different, different temperature or something. Nice and warm and gushy. Oh, yeah. I smashed a few pregnant bitches. Some of the ones I got pregnant. Hey, you put them on their side? How pregnant are you talking? My ex-wife, I smashed them when she was nine months.

Okay. That's pregnant, pregnant. She went and had the baby the next day. Came out better, too. I'm telling you, anybody watching your wife pregnant? She nine, when it gets closer to the due date, fuck the shit out of her. Let her get on top and let her control her. You're going to make the pregnancy,

the birth easier on her. Trust me. You don't believe me, do it. I believe you. Look it up. It's true. Bro, I smash pregnant pussy. Oh, yeah. Doggy style from the side. Just not missionary. I can't do that. A big egg right there just can't do it. You're fucking.

I just can't do it. Bro, try some. I've never done it. So, yeah, but you don't want to get somebody pregnant to try it. So, yeah. I understand. You ain't, you ain't, you're 36 and you don't got no kids. No, I need kids, though. Well, you know, bro, listen, you know, the worst can happen, your rich ass get put on child support, nigga, fuck it.

I don't want that. I know, but you bring a child into the world. I know. Money and everything, you bring a child to the world. What you do is you just fucking make shit right. Well, I can say like this. You know this. Child support can't get you if you pay yourself, whatever you want to pay yourself.

Pay yourself, nigga. You don't buy it. Oh, pay yourself $500 a week. What the fuck you don't get? Pay yourself $500 a month. You've definitely got some Jewish lawyers, man. Oh, yeah. It's so funny.

Yeah, you just pay yourself. And they get, you know, your corporation make this, but then you personally, you make this, you got all the overhead for everything, but you pay yourself whatever you. So it's only based on what you keep then. It's all based off what you, what you, your income. Interesting.

Yeah. Sounds like you're ahead of the game. Oh, yeah. Okay, bro. Come on, man. You ready to dirt bike? Let's do this. Yeah, so we're gonna, we're gonna do a stream.

I'm on Twitch, you're on kick. Yeah. Hopefully we do more streams too after this because hopefully you don't get hurt. Yeah, man, I ain't doing anything. It's been years since I've ridden a dirt bike. But you know how to ride. I know how to ride dirt bike, but like I say, it's been years. Okay.

I'm excited. This is good. I appreciate you coming on the pod. No problem. It's always cool. It's always cooler. Let me come to the gym once. Let me bring my coaches and what you think is on steroids.

Yeah, and we'll grill them. Yeah. We'll check in for needle marks. He said that he'll do a, whenever it's random, he'll do a blood test on the spot. Oh, he's that, for real. Yeah, because he actually likes that people think he on steroids. He said that's the biggest compliment to him.

I know what he's doing, too, though. Because we work out, he tells me what he's doing. He does like a lot of vitamins and creatine and a lot of protein. He's like one of the most strictest people, but he wants to come and work out with you. Yeah, I'm down. We'll do that stream for sure. Okay, okay. but yeah we're gonna go we're gonna go dirt bike um i i brought a guest i didn't tell you but i brought a guest

who you bring just a guest i try to get i try to get i try to get one specific guest and they were busy and i think you would have loved her but she's not we got another guest okay yeah all right let's do it yeah thank you brother appreciate you so much and it's yeah