RAWTALK - The Fall & Rise of Faze Clan w/ Faze Adapt

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with Adapt & talks Banks saving Faze, the subathon & advice for upcoming streamers! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: Prize PicksUse code “BRADLEY”& Make your first $5 line up & get $50 whether you WIN OR LOSE! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/ivHR/BRAD Sponsored by: TRANSCEND Use code "RAWTALK" for 15% OFF https://www.Transcendcompany.com/rawtalk

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Let's get back into this podcast. Oh, shit. Man. So I guess we got to start the interview off by, like, how you really got started. Because obviously now it's like you're in this whole new version of content and yourself in general. But you started at a time that was. like it wasn't a thing that people did no not at all no it was it definitely wasn't a thing that people's parents were like yo this is a great idea oh absolutely not my parents were very uh against it

i mean really my mom was like yeah you can because my parents are very traditional yeah like you know they want you to go to school go to college graduate get a job like just the regular route That, you know, like the default route, I guess you could say. But now it's crazy to see how it's evolved because now parents are almost like going out of their way to try to like push their kids. Like if they have aspirations to be a streamer or a content grader, they'll be like, okay, here, let me get you equipment. Let me like try to set you up. They teach e-sports courses in some colleges and some schools. They have e-sports teams.

A decade ago when I was doing this, it was like, no, this is not a thing. You cannot do this. it was frowned upon you know what i'm saying yeah so so how many years ago was like 13s when you started making you started making like videos when did it when did it start to become a thing for you i started making youtube videos and gaming and like creating content when i was a freshman high school so when i was 13 i posted my first video um and then um and at the time at the time what were your examples it was just me on the game just straight gameplay um and trick shot and it was like those there other creators that you were like oh that person's doing this oh yeah there was

phase it was phase like so i was a fan of phase and specific phase members before i was ever in phase or part of phase um i remember seeing our war a black ops one montage uh when i was in like eighth grade when i was a kid on my iPod I was watching it on my iPod in my bed. Like, you remember the iPods? Yeah. I don't even know if people watching this, even know what an iPod is.

I was watching on my iPod, and I was like, mind-blown. I thought it was the coolest thing ever, the sickest shit ever. And I started, like, getting on the game and trying to, like, replicate those, what I saw. And I didn't have the equipment to film, so I would play,

I would be in the lobby with people who had the, like, they were called HGPVRs at the time. Yeah. So I'd be in the lobby with people who had PVRs who could record it if I hit a clip because it would show the kill cam and they would send it to me. But at first it was just strictly gameplay for the first few years. Actually, no, I made an IRL video when I hit 1K, a thousand subs, which was pretty cringe. It's a pretty bad video. It's like me filming it on my iPod.

It's crazy. But it didn't really, really truly take off. until, like, I was a senior in high school, like a few months after I joined phase. All right, guys, quick in a rush for the podcast. Football season is back, and that means price picks. We are back. We're in full effect. Code Bradley right now.

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And yeah, they'll give you basically $45. Well, 50 technically. If you lose, you just put in five and you basically get $45 for free so you can keep playing or have fun. Enjoy the weekend. Football's back, baby. Let's go. Let's get back in this podcast. What did you think before you joined Fayette, you just like, of your, like, your perspective of your life, was it like, I'm going to be an internet gamer? Is that what you thought? Or did you even, like, think that far? Definitely didn't even think that far. No. I was just winging it. I was like, all right, I don't know what the future holds for me. But right now I'm having fun doing this. Because too, back then, it wasn't like, there wasn't so much of, oh, you can do this and make a living kind of thing. It didn't, it didn't, it didn't. It didn't. It didn't. It didn't.

It didn't appear that way. No, it wasn't really seen as like a viable or sustainable career path. Yeah. Especially that early on, especially when it was just call a duty. It was like, okay, right now I get it. Like, it's cool. It's working for you. But what is like three years look like?

What does four years look like? Yeah. And those were the questions like my counselors and my teachers would ask me. And I'd be like, I don't know. I'm not, I'm thinking about today. Thinking about what I need to post today. Yeah. Like, I'm not thinking about three years.

You know what I'm saying? So I never, to be honest, I never thought that far ahead. I never was like, okay, so I don't know where this leads, where this road leads. I just know that me and a few of my friends were having fun doing it. It's clearly, like, it's clearly cool to like a curated demographic and people think that this special. And I could see the potential and I see that there's something here. And I'm just going to ride out this opportunity and I'm having fun with it.

Like that was the main thing. Like I was having fun with it. Like I didn't ever think like, in my head it was never like, okay, I'm doing this for career. I was doing it because I had fun doing it. Yeah. And that's where I think the line gets blurred for a lot of people. They jump into like content creation and YouTube and streaming thinking like, okay,

I want to quit my job and do this full time. Like, oh, I want to jump into this and make it my full time career. The majority of creators who people or watch, like who people are fans of and people watch, None of us ever did that. You probably are the same way. You never started making content with the attention of this is what I'm going to do for my life. No, I had no idea. I mean, when I started, it wasn't even a thing that was like viable.

I mean, I started fucking Instagram in 2010, 2011 at the end of it, the end of 2010. And I was just filming myself, not even filming at the time. It was just posting photos on Instagram. And I hadn't even like really touched YouTube at the time. so 2011 um i'm just taking pictures and posting pictures of my content of fucking my clients and i was just like i was a trainer at the time and i just thought it was something that i remember thinking this could be really cool because i would google and i would look up like business stuff all the time when i was younger so i did have a little bit of like an idea that like this like people

were saying that instagram and like social media was going to change the world back in 2011 and i remember being like telling people to go download this app and like i had like no followers it was just me and my clients and i would just take pictures but i had no idea that it was going to be what it is today zero idea and like we're we're in this sort of same not demographic but the same timeline just because you started so early where there wasn't like this example of oh there's these massive businesses around this and brand deals and all the stuff that comes with like the streaming or the concentration and uh i think I think that's why a lot of those creators, like if they've stuck around, if they've

sticked around, do really well because the original thought wasn't, I'm just going to make money. It was like, I'm going to do something I actually love, not something I think I'm going to make myself love so that, like, I could have money because it looks like they have money and I want to have money. Because I really do think there's something special to actually really giving a fuck about what you're doing beyond just like receiving money for it. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think it's evident from a viewer's standpoint, like if they're watching someone, if they're like, okay, this person genuinely has a passion for this and what they're doing and they really care about this and care about the content they're putting out and the messages that they're putting out and all that versus someone who like is clearly just doing it for a check or for like to make some sort of like quota for like, you know what I mean? Like, I think it's evident to see when someone is like genuine on the internet and they're doing it because they love it versus someone who gets into it for the wrong reasons. 100%.

And have you, have you always loved it? Because you've been doing it for some time. And there was a point where it's you kind of, I don't know if you stop making as much content. Because currently, obviously, you came back recently and like, I mean, I think you have like 30 plus thousand subs kind of shit. Like you're doing. Yeah, 30. Are you doing more than you've done in the past? well it's different than what I did in the past and there was a time to answer the first part of your question where I stopped because it stopped being fun like that was always the number one underlining thing that drove me to make content that I would wake up I would wake up excited to like film videos or go shoot this with this person or go try this out like and then there was a period of time probably around COVID or maybe a little bit more.

before COVID is when I slowly started to, it started to feel like something I was obligated to do. Like I would wake up and I'm like, oh, I have to make a YouTube video today. Or I have to make this much, this many videos this week instead of something that I would wake up and want to do. And so I slowly, slowly started like pulling away from it. And I probably took a smooth like three years away from like really being in that mode of creating content and seeing it through like,

this lens of like, I don't know how to describe you, you probably can't understand what I'm saying, but like seeing like when you're shooting videos from like, you see it through like the scope of the viewer, like when you're watching a video or when you're creating a video, when you're streaming, you see it like cut up and edited and on the internet already.

And it just, it stopped being fun so I stopped doing it for a few years. And there was also a lot of issues with phase and things like that which made it hard to try to focus because I was also like, oh, this thing that care so much about is being drained and like torn to shreds by by people who didn't play a part in building it at all and that also suck to try to like you're just like sideline and your hands are tied and you're just watching something that you love burn you know yeah let's talk about that

a little bit because i've obviously i've interviewed rain and banks and and now you you guys are some of the older members what was your perspective of it when it was happening like why do you think it started it to happen like why did it go to shit not obviously in a total sense but during that time i mean there's a lot of things you can point at in specific moments where you can be like this is where we went wrong this is where we went wrong this is where we're wrong but i really think it comes down to like there were people who we trusted who we brought in um and and trusted in making decisions for the brand and furthering the brand and like things we were told and it was just not that. It was not that. And then slowly, each of us individually, like banks, Norden,

Apex, Tommy, all the founders were like slowly started pulling away from the brand because it became something like very diluted and something that none of us were proud of or none of us wanted to be a part of. So for my perspective, I was kind of watching it. And I could see it in real time. And I'm like scratching my head thinking like, this is not phase. Like this is not. what this is supposed to be. This is not what we all sacrifice, like, half of our, like, our whole teenage years and, like, all our time as an adult to build for it to be this, for people to come in from, like, the music industry and the entertainment industry

and all these random industries and come in and, like, insert themselves in this brand and collect a check and make decisions on our behalf and pump out collabs and do things. It was just, like, it was sickening, really, if anything, it was just like, damn. I wonder, was it just, not when you say it that way, it just made me curious. I wonder if like when they were signing checks to these certain individuals, were there like people on the backhand who were helping with these deals that were also collecting money? It's like, what was the purpose of, did they think that it was genuinely going to help elevate the brand when they were like signing all these celebrities?

Because I remember that. It was like, phase this person, phase that person. I don't think so. I think that like the people who came in like, honestly. on that side of phase came in with the, and I don't know, this is my opinion. I think that they came in with the intention of, maybe they looked at it from the outside

and they saw what the brand once was and saw that it was cool and it was something that people cared about. But they came in with the intention of, okay, like I can come in, I can build relationships, I can use these four letters in this logo to get myself in the specific rooms with specific people and build my own relationships. relationships while also breaking myself off a piece on the back end.

So crazy. And then I can leave, right, and put this on my resume and be like, okay, I was at face for this long. I did this collab. I announced this person, like just a bunch of bullshit, really, that didn't do anything. But they could put it on their resume and go get more money somewhere else. And then we're left to pick up the pieces. You know what I'm saying?

But this is not something that any of these people got tatted on them, that any of these people spent hours and made hundreds of YouTube videos um trying to build i'm sorry interrupted but the question then it's like and i never i just never got this clear understanding but who allowed random corporate fuckers to just take control i don't think it was one any one individual i think it was a collective because it was straight up like at one point it was just all bros like bros playing video games and that's when it was what that's when it was the best by the way. That's when Faze was at its peak

when it was just the homies not a team of 10, 15, 20. We had at one point 100 plus employees, but even that, like it was just the homies with the G7X. No budget, no production, no like editing bay with like people were paying like thousands of dollars

to like clip shit and send shit off. Like it was just us making the decisions, creating the content, and that's what we stripped it back down to in the reboot and that's what banks was was very adamant on when he was saying like when people would ask him like like what's your plan here like what do you what are you what are you doing and he's like listen when phase was at was at its peak when people really fucked with phase it was just like six of us seven of us in that crib who were just in the crib obviously there were other phase members and like people spread out doing their own thing you know what I'm saying like the rugs and the jebs and people like that yeah but it was just six of us in the crib nobody else no people telling us okay like you should do this or like maybe maybe you should like look into this or work with this person or you know do this it was just us just the homies making so how did it go from that like to what like who was the person or collectively you guys sit down and be like yo yeah we should do this like where did that

decision get flopped where it was like now these people have all the control and they're just you think it was also a little bit of on everyone's part maybe the beautiful idea that they're going to have these people come in and they're going to grow this and then I can make money without having to work and like that sort of vibe. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it wasn't it wasn't like one specific moment. It was over time.

It slowly got worse and worse and worse. Yeah. You know, because even when we did start to slowly build our team out, it was still like okay like we're still heading in the right direction but slowly yeah like specific people came on and i don't think it was any particular phase members fault like no one no one individually was like okay we're going to do this or we're going to we're going to head in this direction i think it was more so that that like corporate side just grew way too big and got way too much power over all of us

way too fast and the fact that they were able to operate and make decisions without any of us knowing that's where it got fucked up. You know what I'm saying? But like to allow to allow people to make decisions

without anyone knowing like there had to been an exchange of like power in some way like meaning like you know at one point I guess Apex owned what like all of phase? I don't know if it was Apex who owned all of Fays but I remember it got broken

evenly amongst Banks Tommy, Norden and Apex and then Me and Rugg also because me and Rugg aren't the original founders but we're FACE members who've been a part of Fage for

almost as long as some of some of the original founders but it was originally split four ways and then got kept getting broken down from there you know so i honestly don't know because a lot of the conversations about this i wasn't a part of yeah i see you know i'm saying i'm just wondering because at some point they had to have said hey we'll give you us collectively whoever owned the four

will give you you whatever percent you whatever percent and at some point these corporate people whatever percent and i'm assuming at that point it was for some money yeah probably but to be honest i don't know i can't sit here and and be like this was the moment because I wasn't in that room yeah I get it I was I wasn't a part of those conversations I would always what was the do you I mean I don't know if you guys even speak about it but like what was the company that bought in that like started to insert all the control I don't think it was a specific company I think it was individuals who came in and like made promises and started slicing pieces of the brand off and giving it to this person giving it to this person

giving it to this person you know what i mean yeah but in retrospect looking at all of it like we could sit here and talk about like the bad side of phase and like this corporate side but i'm glad all that happened because everything happens for a reason because today look like where we are right now phase is in a better spot than it's that you can honestly make the debate it's in a better spot than it's almost been in ever based off of um just the past few months and what just happened with the sub-a-thon and all these new guys who we brought in like um I'm so happy to like be a part of this brand again and you know represent phase and like just have this logo on my chest and wear it like it was something we none of us were proud of for so long

and now this shit is fun again it feels like it's it feels like phase it feels like a family feels like what it's supposed to feel like we just stream 30 days straight yeah that was nuts which was fucking nuts I swear like I streamed for 30 days straight too like I'm not a streamer. I know. That's the funny part. I'm not. I guess you are now though. Now I am. Yeah, I guess now I am like and I started to slow like over the past few months, but really over that sub-a-thon, those 30 days, I really started to understand like streaming culture and like the dynamic with the chat and how it works. Because I come from YouTube. I always made YouTube videos. There's obviously underlining like parallels and things that are similar between

YouTube and streaming, but also things that are completely different. Like, you can't, like, it's, like, it's, it's cool, like you're completely, it's completely organic and unfiltered and it's on 24-7. We slept on stream. We ate on stream. We went to your gym on stream. We would cook, like, we did everything for a month. We lived on stream for a month.

I finished, we finished a month. And I don't know, I felt crazy, but I felt like I was like, like, a contestant, like some sort of psychological case study. It seems that way. Like I was sitting in my, like I went to the coffee shop by my house like a day or two after and I'm sitting there and I'm like, damn, I haven't talked in like 10 minutes. And like I'm closing my eyes. I'm seeing like a chat scroll in my head.

And yeah, it was just weird. What is the, what is the most different thing about it in comparison to YouTube and then the most similar thing about it? I think the most different thing is on YouTube, you can, there's editing. and also the chat like the chat plays such a such like a important role and in a like in the stream and like the streamers relationship with their chat is so important like they can influence things they can dictate your mood um i see it a lot with the younger guys too like some of the younger guys they'll like they'll completely like their whole day will get ruined by their chat like they'll sit and read their chat like on youtube it's not live you You can edit shit, like, you could go back and read the comments afterwards on stream. And like, sometimes your chat will fry you and start spamming like L's or like, why you do it. And like, some of the younger guys gets in their head more and I've seen them like freak out more or like, be like, fuck this.

I'm not doing this today. I'll just loop something else on my stream. I don't have the patience for this. And that's like the main thing that the chat and the fact that it's live and like you have to be able to respond and like address things. quickly and not get overly emotional or react in a certain way yeah you know what I mean um and I guess the thing that is the closest is like a lot of streaming segments and bits and things like that are just YouTube videos yeah but they're just uncut and live like a lot of the things we did for the sub-a-thon like they're just you they're just fucking YouTube videos yeah the bits yeah like last to

leave like last to leave white room last to remove their hand like real life tinder love online like those are things that like i'm so used to shooting already but you cut him that you cut like hours of recording down into like 20 minutes right so to be good at streaming like to be like considered you know or to become a popular streamer to get good at this basically one of the most important parts to focus on because a lot of kids are going to watch this being like especially right now because it's like it seems to be looking at the just the industry as a whole streaming is like one of the most popular forms uh at least for a creator to come in and like really blow the fuck up like this you look at examples like speed and kai you know aiden um speed specifically this guy's

like a fucking international right there international superstar the big it so it's like seeing that even even as me as a creator for so so many years and then going like okay this person's essentially a live streamer and then the clips are everywhere their content is everywhere this this person's everywhere traveling live streaming everywhere you see him like you can't even avoid the guy right and then obviously watching you guys doing the 30 day sub-aathon seeing you guys at the gym seeing you guys around the town doing bullshit right it just seems like YouTube isn't as isn't as like not necessarily it's as it's unimportant but it isn't as important as it used to be no I don't think so either

It's weird. Like, it's really, like, it's an amazing search engine. I think it'll never go away. I'm not saying it all that it's going to be like people, less people use it. But it seems like most people who are watching content now, at least like that younger generation that's like really tapped in with content, they're watching streamers. Yeah. I think it's the meta.

And I talked to Ricky Banks about this months ago. And because we were like, when we launched a reboot with phase, I've always been heavy on the YouTube side and been like more focused. focused on that and saw it as something that was like a pillar and like content creation and like if you're looking at this and you really want to do this you got to have this down and he was like nah like this is not it's not the meta anymore he's like it's streaming and I was like I mean you might be right and I'm like looking like taking a step back and really looking at this and yeah I don't think that it is something that if like people jump

first into now well here here's an here's an example with your own organization right phase phase rug one of the one of the big YouTuber millions of views every video when's the last time you seen a phase rug clip somewhere um unless it was involved in something streaming like they got clipped from his YouTube video not not a minute I haven't I haven't seen it I'm not saying phase rug is is massive right yeah but like giving you an example like I looked at his YouTube video the he's getting millions of views every single video crushing it crushing it he's fucking the goat but i don't go on twitter and see phase rug clips no you don't and i don't see phase red clips on instagram whatever maybe maybe it's just something he's just not

getting clips he's not working on trying to get clips maybe that's what it is but i even streamers that get x 10 10 10 100x less views on a youtube video are getting clips and they're all they're all around twitter floating around somewhere viral yeah for real so it so it's like i'm looking at it like damn dude this is it's and also as a creator who's i've been doing shit for so long it's like you film a stream it just becomes a youtube video or it becomes a clip or it becomes a short form piece of content it's like you did the you did the top form the fucking meta and then it just becomes all these other pieces of content anyways and then it just gets repackaged like and put on youtube you can re-upload a whole stream or a segment on the stream put it on youtube and it'll do

good as it'll do sometimes perform just as well as if i went out and tried to create an ideaate an entire YouTube video separate from the stream or I could just stream and like something cool could happen it could be something I think of or it could just be something random based on the title and thumbnail you know how that works they that just gets clipped and repackaged no editing no nothing and it gets a few hundred thousand views it performs just as well it's crazy it really is what's what is like the most important thing right now like you said like there's streamers who are a fraction of as big as the phase rugs and people like that who are not getting nearly as much views or nearly as well known but they're getting

seen more because of people clipping their streams and pushing them out and repackaging them across different social medias and i wonder if that just lends to like just i mean it's it's this the synergy of the meta that we're talking about which is live streaming and this clip culture which is like the Tate thing when he kind of came in and did the you remember him on TikTok like viral every single day he couldn't not see the guy on TikTok like to me he was one of the first people who really leveraged the clip game and like became a fucking massive superstar through it yeah for sure and now that same concept seems to be like really heavily used in the streaming and i don't i don't know if it's like other YouTubers don't see the value in it or if they're not focused on it

or what it is. But the clip culture seems to be like one of the most valuable things because it's not even so much how many views you get on like a video per se. It's just that that matters and having live concurrent views matter. But like it's like getting people engaged with the clip part, which is becoming just almost just as important as the video itself. Yeah, I remember I think I was talking to Lacey about this or maybe I saw a clip of Lacey talking about this months ago when he was talking about how he was coming up on stream and that what helped him out like build a foundation outside of everything he already had going on was he would get clips like he would have clippers and there would be certain things clip from his stream with sometimes

he would go out of his way to do it sometimes it would just happen and they would get posted and because of some of those clips popped off in the way they did a few extra people would tune into his stream the next time he stream. Yeah. And like it would slowly and gradually like get more. Like if you can convert like a fraction of a percentage of the people who watch your clips to someone who will then go and tap into your stream, you're growing. You know, you mean you're get, you're just getting bigger without actually really doing

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How do I get into contact creation? How do I get in this space? I would say the most important thing is like we talked about earlier, like your intentions. Like are you genuinely like coming into this place because you want to like you think it's cool and you see yourself having fun doing it and like for the right reasons. You know what I'm saying? And secondly after that like don't come into this space thinking like, oh, I'm going to cash out.

Like, don't start up a stream with zero viewers and think, like, okay, like the goal is millions of dollars. I just don't think that's the right mentality. You know, maybe I'm tripping, but that's how I've always seen it. And the second thing would be be okay with doing this for a year, two years, three years without seeing insane growth, without seeing like your numbers go from like, here to here without seeing like a lot of money coming in you got to be okay with um like i don't know how to describe it because it's like what happened to me and probably what like

what happened to a lot of people i didn't really pop in this space until like after three or four years of doing it like consistently and and then one day i looked and i'm like damn like i'm at a million subscribers you know what i mean like how did this happen and like it almost in some cases like It seems like streamers pop overnight and YouTubers pop overnight. But in most cases, they've been doing this for a while. And they've been grinding. And like, you got to be okay with keeping your head down and staying in your lane and stay in focus and just working and like having fun with it.

Yeah. I mean, Ron's a good example. He was doing it for a minute. It fell off. It didn't do well. Then fucking blew up. Like, Ron's a perfect example. Yeah.

Like last year, it's like a big part of Ron's lore like 20. 23 he went he had under a thousand subscribers i don't know how many i love all everyone uses the word lore now it's such an old school word yeah it's like it's like a legit like an old old ass word and everyone's like that's like everyone says that now the fuck we gotta think of a synonym fuck no it's don't just don't the lore but like a fucking diablo fucking but yeah he was really massive at one point on on twitch and like in the fortnight scene and like was crushing it and then like you know how this game goes and sometimes like you're up and sometimes you're down and in 2023 he had under a thousand subscribers i don't remember if it was six maybe 700

subscribers on twitch and was averaging a little over a thousand viewers i think and now if you look at right when the sub-a-thon ended he had well he told me he went down to even like i think a couple hundred viewers yeah even that like and he was depressed he was sad he was he wanted to quit he hated it um and you fast forward to today this kid is at 60,000 subscribers is in uh I think he was the most watched streamer last month the most watched streamer and one of the most subscribed Twitch channels um I'm so fucking proud of him I love Ron he deserves all of it you know he kept his head down he worked through the dark days and you know where most people would quit and he had a lot of

of other things going on in his life too that he hasn't really spoke on or shared with people that I know because I'm close with Ron that like it like he was just getting hit left and right you know what I mean by like bad things and through it all like he just like he kept going and he kept going and like eventually it got better and that should just be a testament that should be like a perfect example of like all right like it sucks for you right now and you feel shitting you're in the depths of depressed of hell but you're not going to feel this way forever you know what I mean you just got to

keep going and trust the process it's way easier said than none you got to just trust the process trust that the dots will connect and the things will get better and look at how they worked out for him for for Ronnie son you know what I mean now he's crushing man but why do you think

people why do you think people have a hard time accepting that idea that shit is not always supposed to be fucking rainbows and sunshine I don't know I think have you ever had a hard time accepting that that it's like when shit's not great it's like hard to hard to allow that yeah even though you don't have a choice yeah I mean for like the two the past like two three years up until a few months ago like I was I don't know I feel like I've been down throughout different points of my life but like really like coming to the realization like over the past like two three or I was like in my head coming to this realization thing and like damn am I like am I cook did I blow it? like that I work so this hard in my life to be able to get to this position to be able to have this platform and have this audience just to let it slip through my fingers and then not only that to watch the brand that I love and that like me and my brothers created to watch just also go

up in flames and I would just sit in my apartment like confused and like waiting for an update or for a text and like it was probably yeah like someone like the lowest points the probably debatably the lowest point I've ever been in in my life thinking like wow what am I supposed to do like because you I genuinely feel like helpless like watching this and like I'm trying like everything I can to insert myself and help and like I'm going to the warehouse every day I'm calling phase members every day like yo like can you show up like can we shoot this YouTube video and it's like no like I got to do this I got to do this like everything was so spread out and it was all fucked up and I'm like sitting here looking around like I'm the only one here like it's still trying to

piece this together and like fix it and like I would like yeah have to come to this realization that like damn like it's cooked it's over like I got to figure something out like because this shit might be GG and like you're you're getting told things like yeah like it's gonna be fine like you're gonna update soon you're gonna update soon and then it's like it gets pushed back it's push back I'm talking for like months months like year like even up to like a year year and a half where you're getting told things it just didn't happen and then thank god like it ended up working out and we ended up getting getting it back and like rebooting it in the way that we wanted to but for a minute yeah like i was sitting like come to this realization like damn like i don't know what to

do like dead ass i don't know what to do like i feel like i've exhausted all my options what does you think was going to happen to you like were you in a place where you were financially stable or you're like are you going to have to do something else you're going to have to try to figure something else out on the internet like i don't even i really don't fucking know like i all like yeah i think like i have i i definitely like i could have been cool like financially and like been smooth but i would not have been happy yeah i would have been miserable i was miserable because like this is what i care about it's like what i'm passionate about and it like was all gone like it was just gone

and there was nothing there to like build that you know what i mean so sure like i could have like figured something else out but i didn't want to you know what i mean like i was doing other things like for a while i was gonna box i was training to fight for like a like a year year and a half and then i got hurt and then i was like okay let me pivot this way and like instead of making my own youtube videos um i'm i'm gonna run the phase channel because i see this obviously needs help and then that was like that was that felt even harder

like having to jump through loops of approval for certain things and like a YouTube video for phase like how do I need to get approved certain things to make a phase YouTube video how do I need to get approval to like do specific things

for a phase YouTube video you know what I'm saying like that doesn't even sound real you know so I'm like sitting out where I feel like I'm in this alternate timeline where like holy shit like this is fucked like this is not how this is supposed to go this is not like where where the story ends like I'm like fuck I was just like mad confused bro

and I don't know I honestly don't know so at the time when when banks was it banks who was really the guy who came and just like changed it yes yes he went and he got the money to be able to buy it back to have control you know because we didn't have control because we didn't have control because because of like the way the company was split up. So he went, he got the money for it. We got what we needed back. And then we're like, okay, now we have control. Now we could press going.

Like he had this whole plan for the reboot, like kick everyone, announced these four kids, structured around them. And like, it's crazy, like, because the original like reboot that we did, it was like, there were guys in Miami and there were guys in LA. And it was kind of divided.

And for like the first like, two months it was like that and not and it wasn't really until we all came together on accident like accidentally like we couldn't have scripted it we couldn't have like been like yo like everybody meet up here and like in this house and let's all make content like we didn't do that we didn't fucking do that like we were split up Ron and Lacey had the house out here um Jason was visiting right Jason was in college um I was only at that house when everyone was there because I was doing a seven day quitting nicotine stream and I was going to do it at the phase warehouse where I streamed for seven days straight quitting nicotine it was also Ricky's idea because he did it

earlier he like went saw hypnosis they hypnotized quitting the nicotine he's like yo you should do this and like make a video out of it stream it and I'm like wait that's actually a fire idea because I could also push this message because it is fucking horrible by the way like nicotine addiction and just vaping in general I try to get addicted to nicotine just to beat it really? Yeah. That's so insane. Yeah. That's so insane. Yeah. Because everyone always talks about how difficult it is to quit nicotine. I was like, let me try this. Like, and I've actually got addicted to it. Really? Yeah. Are you addicted right now? I could stop it anytime. Yeah, you're addicted. You're fucking addicted. You idiot, Brad. No, no, no. But it's, it's not the

vape. Bro, there's no way. I swear to you. I swear to you. I even said it on a podcast like Must have been a year ago. I was like, I'm going to start nicotine just to see if I could beat it. And did you beat it? So when was the last time you hit a vape or smoked? I don't vape. I don't vape. I've never actually vaped.

Oh, okay. I'm not vaped once. So it's all with the pouches. Oh, okay. It might be a lot easier to beat because there's been times when it's like weeks to go by and I don't even think about it. And I've actually never purchased one of those things. I've just always found myself with them.

I get you. Yeah. So I could avoid it pretty easily. Now the vape, I can imagine, because the amount of nicotine. you're probably getting throughout the whole day is very, very hard to quit. Bro. So I've never actually touched the vape,

but I've always said, like, I'm not going to touch a vape because I know that, like, the oral fixation, like, memory thing that you're, oh, I need to do this, I need to do this. And then the nicotine on top of that is like the double addiction is fucked.

It's terrible. It's so bad. And also it's so accessible. Like, the thing is, I don't want to, like, dive too deep into it. But, like, when it was just cigarettes, like, you couldn't just smoke it. I couldn't just, like,

smoke a cigarette at a restaurant or on a plane or in a house like casually you could smoke a vape anywhere you could be in your bed wake up in the middle of night grab your vape hit it go back on an airplane fucking you can't do that with cigarettes that's why it was it was especially for me like i would wake up and from the moment i woke up first thing i did was hit my vape i would finish my meal first thing i did was vape all throughout the day from the moment i wake up to the moment i'm sleeping to literally the moment like i'm passing out like this thing was surgically attached to my fucking hand. So how hard was that to quit? I mean, honestly, like, that was the first time I truly tried to quit and I wanted to quit. I sat down with like a hypnotherapist who really,

really. Yeah, swear like they put you under and they hypnotize it. Like, you get hypnotized, but also like there's a portion of the session that's therapy where his name's Carrie Gainer, shout to Carrie Gainer. Did you actually get hypnotized? Yeah. And but like for 40, like for 15 minutes, the first 45 minutes of the session, Kerry is just breaking down for you, like how messed up it is that you have convinced yourself that this is okay, that this behavior of like putting these like cancer causing chemicals

in your body and smoking it all day is okay and how bad it is for your health. So like he sits there and like opens your eyes and uses like a bunch of different examples and stuff like that. And then the last like 15 minutes, they hypnotize you. They, there's two people.

Oh, no, Carrie hypnotizes you, my bad. but it wasn't all that bad because I describe being hypnotized because I've what the fuck do you mean like I kind of don't believe it awesome get out shit kind of bro like you like you're in this chair and you recline and then he says like I look at a picture and like focus on one of the pictures

on the wall okay and then you're focused on the picture and then he's like close your eyes then he's like okay I'm gonna count down from 15 and you're walking down like imagine yourself walking down a set of stairs or you're in an elevator and you see the floor is going down and like he like walks you through it and then yeah you're just you're it's like a state of relaxation okay i don't think it's like the stigma of like like i'm hypnotized and like you could tell me to like go jump off a bridge or something yeah it's not like that okay that's what i was thinking it's not like that it's like a state of relaxation where he's like or you wake up

of your butt sore it's like what's going on yeah none of that dude okay okay none of that I'm like what the fuck does that even mean yeah no it's none of that you're like what the hell it's not why is there baby oil here it's not it's not like that it's not what you think it is okay all right okay good so it seems like you're just more like somewhat of a trance of like relaxation and just openness to what the fuck he's saying exactly yeah exactly that and then um yeah he like just like talks to you for like 10 minutes and like kind of reiterates specific things and then you wake up and you just like kind of feel refresh and good about it and you leave and yeah I mean what made it easier for me was I made like a whole YouTube video about it like a whole like

documentary style video talking about how bad it was and going into detail interviewing different people and then saying I'm quitting being like okay I'm quitting and to hold myself accountable for quitting I'm making this video putting this out there and I'm streaming for seven days so if anyone ever sees me hit a vape again if i ever vape again i look like a fucking fraud like i look like the biggest like i look like just a fucking liar you know what i'm saying like so like i completely burnt that bridge where it's like okay if i ever want to again i literally can't because it's i'm i'm gonna look crazy like it's gonna just and also i don't want to like i i was finally at a point where i'm like okay you know i'm not in that bad of a

spot like I went and got test done on my lungs and saw doctors and stuff like that and I was in a good spot and I don't want to be at a bad spot and have something bad happen where it's like okay now I should quit when where it's too late yeah that's what happens to most people to actually really quit things is like they need something that is really bad otherwise it's they just like keep falling back into the same routine yeah people you just keep making excuses for yourself you're like yeah it's fine like I'll do it later I'll do it later it's like just fucking if you want to quit you'll quit that's really the market and there's a funny thing how people think they have all the time in the world and like we really don't it's like in all those choices you make

i mean this goes for everything in life whether it be like relationships business stuff like goals whatever you're trying to do it's like you keep making the same little decision that seems little to you and then eventually it's like your fucking life's choices you're making these choices over how many years and it's like then it starts to really affect you you know there's so many this is a small example right like the nicotine thing where it's like yeah it's okay for a little bit it's okay for a little bit but you know you did it for let's say you did it for 10 years and then you have like real implications health implications that you have to like kind of walk backwards now it's like i don't know everyone just has this this sort of maybe it's a younger thing where it's like

i have forever and then you start to realize oh shit i don't no you don't and you're like hyper like you're like speed running your cardiovascular system like you could be like 30 with the cardiovascular system of a 50 60 70 year old you know what I mean and I've like research into this and interviewed people interviewed people who had these bad things happen to them where they went to the doctor they're like teenagers who were vaping and like one day that their lung collapses and then like a doctor's like yeah you're long you have like the lungs of like a seven year old man and you're 18 you know what i'm saying like bro how do you even vape that much god i don't fucking even know because i thought i was like pretty deep into it that's why when i went and got

when i went got the test down i was like kind of psyched out but they were like you're good and i was like all right bet i'm off of you're like fuck yeah yeah you're from the sick clouds to like i'm trying to die bro i'm trying to look after my health you know what i'm saying but that's why i was even in the house like at that time when everyone kind of had came together because rickie was like you should do this and make this video and i was like bet and i was going to stream it at the warehouse but he's like no just stream it at the phase house like we got a crib now there's there's going to be other phase members there i'm like all right bet and then i did my seven day stream there and it went it went well i had a lot of fun i got to like develop relationships with all

the new phase guys so you kind of fell into like the sub-a-thon thing and you fell into the stream not fell but like you were doing it but like into that whole group of people yeah because like as initially like yeah i probably want to been a part of that or or even like been like yeah like put me in there like i'm down to do that if i didn't really feel like comfortable around a lot of these guys or have relationships with them or was cool with them or had already made content and done things like that or even just like got like a little glimpse of it when i did my seven day and then i kept streaming for a little bit afterwards just a little bit though not like crazy but it made enough sense to be like okay yeah like we're gonna do this you're a part of it let's see what

fucking happens yeah but i did just fall into it yeah like if you would have told me earlier this year like yeah you'd be a streamer or you would be streaming for 30 days straight you're gonna end with 30 000 subscribers you're gonna like have your own community of people who every time you turn on your stream they're gonna watch yeah they like you and ron together i noticed that yeah they do they do they really fuck with uh uh the streams me and ronda shout to ronistan yeah boy we won a few awards for some of our segments well like a who but who's making these awards is like phase awards or like they were the phase awards yeah they were fan voted oh fan voted it was like it was like some segment we did the end of subathom

but yeah me and ron definitely that's that's like my that's my brother for sure um i've had a relationship with him for like i was one of the people who brought him into phase like i went out to dinner me, him in Norden when he was a part of a different org to recruit him. So I've been friends with Ron. I've been cool with Ron. You know what I'm saying? So I definitely like it's a lot. It's like from like the viewer's perspective, you can tell.

You know what I mean? So I'm a lot like we can go and do something like we could go to fucking Best Buy, which is what we did. Yeah, I see. I see no's close. We would go to Best Buy and just fuck around and best. Who put pay phone on? Did someone, did one of you tell someone to get the pay phone on?

No, no, we never tell him to do that. Wow, bro. So someone in there just knew he was in there and put it on. Yeah. But also, Ron is like a lot like me. Like, it's not like, like he, like it sounds like he needs to wake up on his stream and like really like ideate like, okay, what am I going to do today? Like I need to do this for this block and this for this block.

He'll just fucking wing it and like can can make the content himself if that makes sense. Yeah. I think that's that's the key. I mean, that's the key to a lot of success on the internet, especially long-term success. Yeah, being able to, like, create content or like, that's all I've done forever. It's just fucking, like, even the interviews, everything.

I don't like sit and be like, there's certain people, maybe I'll do a little bit more background research on, like if I want, like, specific topical, like current stuff. But it's like, it either flows or it doesn't. You know, I feel like that's the best way to do it. Otherwise, like you said, the content or the, excuse me, the audience will feel it will feel the difference. I mean, it's probably easier to fake on YouTube

because you can, like, cut shit up. Yeah. But for the most part, like, I think it's just, number one, you're going to feel the best about it because it's more simple for you. But the audience will be like, feel way more related to it because it feels more real.

And which is why I think the live streaming stuff is so powerful. It's because it's a, there's an undeniable because it's live. Like you can't deny who this person is or isn't. And I think that's why the people's relationship to like content creator is so much stronger because they know who they are really fucking fast and they either love you or they hate you and they make that decision like this and i think it's

just happening way faster yeah yeah go ahead yeah like to add on to what you said that like the audience sees it all happen in real time on a live stream you know what i mean like you could be like for example like for example when we were doing the sabathom me and ron went to go make a pizza right we're like okay we're going to go to ralph's get groceries for the pizza and as we're walking to to get pizza this dude stopped us and he just was like yo what's good like y'all streaming i'm trying to go viral and he came and like he came to the stream for a second like was talking to us and then we were going to go get food but ron was like you know what let's just sit down and we sat down on the floor of ralph's parking lot for two fucking hours it was sun it was light out when we sat down

and by the time we left it was dark and we talked to this dude named allan for two hours that we didn't even fucking know and like from a viewer's perspective we're kind of like what is happening too but we're in it but everyone that's watching is probably like what the fuck is going on? What was he talking about?

Trying to go viral? Bro, talking about everything. He was talking about we were talking about the government for a while. He was talking about like how there's like what popped it off was he was saying we asked him like how to make pizza and he's like if you want to make good pizza

like there's this specific cheese that the government like is hiding. Stop. I swear. And he was dead, though, he was dead at. He was like,

there's a government cheese that, like, is, it's, like, perfect for pizzas. Why would they hide that? I don't know.

Bro, did you please tell me someone else is like, why would they hide the perfect cheese, though? No, bro. It's just too good.

It's just gonna unlock all the secrets in life. And then he started talking about, like, the, like, conspiracies and, like, pigeons for a little while.

And the Ananaki or something like that. The Ananaki? Like some sort of, like advanced race i'm not even fully sure that that that was real still because like the depths of the conversation we went into what did this guy look like um he at first like people thought he was homeless but he wasn't homeless he was like he looked chill like he looked like a regular dude he had a backpack on he had like a clean shave he had glasses he gets up he hops and rolls royce drives off no that would have been crazy but we just sat there for like two hours

talking about like i can't even go back and tell you everything because i was so in it and was so confused, just like probably everyone watching, which is what I think is cool about streaming. Like, you can't account for those variables. Yeah. And that's what makes like a big difference for YouTube. Like that'll never happen on YouTube. I mean, it can. Yeah. But you'll never be able to really see the like how authentic and organic it is. Yeah. Because it's posted after the fact and it's edited and things like that. Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier is that like you know right away you'll know pretty quickly that like this is super real and I think a lot of people are just

kind of looking for that nowadays because like I could edit something and someone could watch it and they can get glimpses of who they think that person is or what that person's trying to portray themselves to be but with streaming it's like this is it is or it isn't exactly what I think it is real quickly you know what I'm saying because like I could edit something to like appear this way or appear that way but you see someone live you go this is this way it's undeniable and I think people come to that conclusion way faster and also like the the live aspect of it just being like could be random where you're talking about those events where it's like this is just way more engaging because like anything could happen those two ideas is what makes streaming the fucking

meta and why because like you got to think as a content creator is doing this for so many years myself you I look back on all the times when it's like I go viral I get views I do all the stuff like all the viral should jumping out of the pool all the crazy lifting girl stuff and they were all moments for people to see me, but like not really see me for who I am, right? And the people that like really got engaged with me over time who are like, oh, I've been watching you for 10 years, 15 years, however long it has been, it's always people who whenever I had those conversations with people, whether I be at a DM or in person, it's like, yo, I watched this video where you talked about this, you talked about something about your life and you helped me or you push me

or you motivated me to do this with my life. They're more meaningful, right? So that relationship of like how I like got popular or stayed relevant in this person's mind is to something like clinic closer to them instead of just oh it's a viral moment it's gone so what I'm saying is to say all that is like the live stream thing you create that relationship so much faster

so much faster because there's the undeniability in it yeah it's the meta for sure and it's genuinely like fun like I'm surprised how much fun I have doing it because I never was a streamer or anything like that and i feel like now especially after doing it for 30 days straight that i am and i'm excited right now like what day it is it's like we were five days

removed and i'm like hype to start to stream to like turn my stream on again and and talk to my viewers about like what's going on and like touch on specific things it's like it's generally fun and like i haven't had this like passion for this like i haven't felt excited for like being in front of a camera, or creating content like this in years, bro. And it's really refreshing. And I really owe it to all of these new guys who came in, Jason, Silky, Max, Lacey.

And Ron, too, Ron is not newer, but I owe it to them, the newer guys who we announced because they came in and like, you know, I was in the crib with all of them and like I saw how, you know, they kind of like treated it and like how they did their thing. And like found a way to kind of like, I'd almost like make it work too where like it didn't feel

force. And like we genuinely like had fun on camera together and we're doing things that like made sense. You know what I mean? And they really came in and pumped life back into this brand. I can't stress it enough. Like shout out to all these guys and they crush it during the sub-a-thon. You know what I'm saying? Like Jason ended the second most subscribed streamer, 100,000 subs.

Max hit 80K, fucking insane. I think 81 actually. Ron was over 60K. Lacey was at 50K. I was at 30. Silky was at 25. We were all in the top 15 of Twitch. And I'm super fucking proud of these guys.

I'm super grateful for all of them. Because like I said, this is something that I care about. Like, Faze is something that I really care about. And that last day on the award, seeing like everyone come together, like, that was my favorite part of the whole thing. like having rug call me in the morning being like oh what's like what are you guys doing day i'm like oh the subathon is bro you got to come and rug being like all right bet i'm coming like that's like that has never happened well yeah rug leaving san diego is like a fucking Pokemon like rarest

yeah like and like having him be like oh bet like i'm dropping everything and i'm coming to be a part of like this phase shit like yeah bro for like two three years like no one wanted to be a part of it it felt like dead like the life sucked out of it and like you know banks like seeing how ricky like is tapped into all the streams and like calling like different like different guys throughout the day being like all right like what's going on here like like what the fuck is what the fuck is happening like making boss calls from behind the scenes and like as tapped in as he and I haven't even seen him in this mode in years where he like is so um like in it like in the like in the space and like constantly like absorbing like information and like figuring out like

different directions to take phase and different like uh members in terms of their content and shit and it's just cool and I'm just grateful you know for for all of it and grateful that I have a place in it and that I have a role that that works that I that you know like that like that I feel comfortable in you know what I mean like because for a while like I said like I was sitting around thinking like what am I going to do you know what I mean and like this I kind of fell into this without really planning it and it's gone really well and the sub-a-thon went really well and i'm really excited to see what's next for all of us and for phase and start my stream back up and you know i'm gonna be with all the guys in the crib i got a room set up over there now which is fire and yeah i'm just grateful

bro this this shit is fun and i i can't believe how fun it is for me you know being someone who was so far removed from it who like didn't care to make content or be in front of the camera like i still cared about it to a set to an extent but not like i am now like i'm not like i'm dead ass excited to like yeah to stream again yeah to make the content i get it i fully get it so what do you think the future holds you think it's just like like a constant sort of figuring out of irl streaming for you and then also for phase for me i mean i think it's just i'm not going to overthink it just like i did with youtube i'm just gonna i just got to turn it on i just got to hit the button and take it from there.

Like that's what's cool about streaming is like you figure out things on the go. I'm also going to be in a phase house with the guy. So like that also makes it easier that I'm not by myself. I'm not isolated. I'm not like trying to constantly figuring out things to do by myself because that would,

that's what was always fun for me, the collective like the group, like doing stuff with a group or doing stuff with other guys. Like you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel I'm excited. Steve just moved in. So same kind of shit for me here.

I used to be remains with Steve. Yeah. And the Nalk Boys, that was, that was fun when I saw y'all the other day because we've all been tapped in for like a minute. I made a video with you in 2017. You remember that? Yeah. Came to the Newport House.

That's when I first really met Nelk when they came in the Newport House and we made a video. But we also made a video where you like broke into the house with a chainsaw or something. It was some skit. I used to love doing that on YouTube. That's what I missed the most about. YouTube is like I would blog a lot and do different size of videos but I love making skits like I love doing shit I mean you just do that on live you just got to you can like plan it and then just go do it live yeah it's a little different obviously with the edits you can't edit

but you got to fully commit to a character which I've kind of like done on specific things over for different things like um with the whole pigeon thing and like when I was in Japan like I was wait what's going on with the pigeons wait explain I didn't see that. What's the pigeon thing? Brad is fucked up, dog. It's super fucked up. I actually just remember it.

I got to go to fucking New York City when, I mean, so listen, I was in Japan and the pigeons over there, they look crazy as, yeah. Say, there we go. Like, that's pretty much the whiteboard I had made, or I guess it's like if you. Well, you're saying the pigeons are fucking spy things. Like, here, click on that TikTok where it says, like, look, look, look. right there bottom left bottom left you see that board in the background like i pretty much figured out that the pigeons are connected to the murder at john f kennedy to jfk yeah pigeons are connected like just specific a certain group of pigeons or just pigeons in general china japan okay like northeast

asia yeah um they're super tied into it there's just it goes deep like the pigeons didn't like they didn't like them no it was i mean he was not trying to uh approve of funding for Because there was pigeon warfare going on. No, like, I was just trying to figure out like why they were not giving enough feed to certain pigeons and they had a rally against it was like they were trying to censor the pigeon speech or what? So pretty much to like Spark note this for you, I was in Japan and I was bullshit and I was like walking around the park like and I saw a pigeon and they're super they're like big in Japan like they look like they're on creatine. You know, I mean, they're, like, bigger and they don't fly away. So I, like, made a few comments about it. And then, like, I went back by myself and I started taking pictures of them.

And I had, like, a page of pictures of them on my photo roll. And I showed them to Ron on stream. And then I just kept going deeper and deeper into it and, like, playing into it because it's just fun. And, yeah, like, I mean, there's real genuine conspiracy theories about them. But I was obviously, like, I don't know. Like the pigeons did 9-11 or what? Yeah, like crazy shit, like they're drones and that they're spying on people and like, I don't know, I was just having fun with it because like obviously there, there potentially could be some truth into it. You know what I'm saying? But I was just, it was just fun for me and I like did this whole thing where like I made that board and like then I then I had got arrested and CIA had sent me a season assist. But during my sub-aathon, like it's a part of like my, my, my. I guess like streaming arc is the fucking pigeons.

Like it's very real. And after I started doing all this shit with pigeons, the fucking state in New York said they're making a pigeon statue. They're releasing an 18 foot pigeon statue in October. So I'm going. This month? This month. And I was one of my subgoals for 25K and I'm not going to scam.

I'm going to fly to New York on my ones and go shut this shit down. I'm not letting it unveil because there's some deep, There's some deeper, darker, twisted shit going on. Why the fuck would they make a pigeon statue? And the timing is like almost methodical. Like they're throwing it in my face. You know, like, oh, they see me, you know, talking about. I don't know if it has anything to do with you.

It's just all so weird. See, type in New York pigeon statue here. Let's pull this up. This head came across my desk last month. The first link. 16 foot tall pigeon is coming to New York City. Look at that fucking thing, Brad. Well, it says, why would you put that there?

They're mocking me. They're making a mockery of me, bro. It's also just weird. weird no it's like pigeons are super dirty like why why are they like ideating a pigeon i don't know but i'm gonna go check it out and and try to see if i can stop this shit because i'm not going you should tear it down yeah i'm gonna try to see if maybe i could get inside of it i don't know inside of it what the fuck that's i don't know just the way you said it just got inside of the pigeon bro i need to take a look i need to take a deeper look bro and see what's really go let's see what's

going on perfect but so the pigeon so okay you said scam which is funny so what do like a lot of streamers scam for subs i mean i don't know like i don't really look into it that much but i feel like sometimes like i think like an important thing and like i remember jason was saying this when we're on the nelfth podcast where he was like an important thing is obviously being authentic but like also if you say you're going to do something yeah you should do that and i think that goes with anything in life you know not just streaming um but i said like with my chat and my community i was like yo like i'm going to do this if we hit 25k and they want to see it so i'm going to do it it's just like any like anything in life if you say you're going to do something you should you should stick

to it and i think it i think it also like yeah doubles down on it when you're like all right if i get this number i'll do it and so i hit that number and i'm going to do it and also like it's just i think it would be entertaining i think it would be fun i think my chat and my viewers would enjoy that um so i'm gonna do it what does 30 000 subscribers equal like income on twitch um well it's five dollars to subscribe to someone so 30 times five about 350,000 dollars damn and so but you keep what you keep half of that that's bad math huh the pigeons did that to you do why did you say damn because the pigeons bro You just threw a random-ass number out there.

The pitches, honestly. That's $350,000. And you were like, oh, shit. Yeah, I'm super high right now. I'm kidding. So what's the actual number? It's probably, like for subs, I mean, there's splits on Twitch. So you don't get 100% of that $5.

But the five times 30 is like $150,000. Yeah. but you don't keep all of that like there's splits on Twitch like that you get just like YouTube with ad revenue on YouTube like yeah you know you you give a portion of that to Twitch but like it's like $150,000 for 30,000 subs yeah you know I mean you know I mean so which is sick and um I'm super hyped on it and I'm that's why like I'm really excited to start streaming how do you how do you like I mean besides making good content how do you encourage people to subscribe i mean well the sub-a-thon obviously helps because subs are cheaper and if they sub increases

your timer and we did it as a group but yeah like you you could also like damn i mean i got banned for doing this because i didn't realize it was t-os but i was encouraging people to sub because me and lacey one day we're like yo we're like in the last like three two three days me and Lacey like Lacey's my home like Lacey I really I really love Lacey bro he's such a good person and he's hilarious and I see a lot of myself and him and we were like towards the end of the sub-ethon we always talk about football and like we do football segments and like he watches he watches NFL a lot and we would like we didn't get to watch it during the sub-aathon right because we were streaming the whole time so like on one of the days we had just finished a segment

like we didn't really have anything planned later in the day there was a football game on It was either Saturday night or Sunday night And he was like, You want to just watch the game And like we'll sit and like have the camera on We can't show the game But we could put it on a monitor And just like sit in front of the camera

And I'm like yeah he's like And also he's like I just hit like I think he just hit 40,000 subs He's like I'm trying to drink He's like let's every 50 gifted Let's take a shot Oh that's TOS That is TOS I have learned

That is TOS and I can't do that ever any more But me and him sat down And we're like all right Every 50 gifted We're going to take a shot of Hennessy, and we got a lot of subscribers that night. You know, they tried to get you ripped. I was so drunk.

I honestly can't even fucking believe it. I got like, bro, I don't know. I actually should try to look at the actual number. But before we even left, because like we were watching the game, we totally stopped watching the game. I think we each got like a thousand subs in that, in that like less than an hour where we were like, okay, every 50 gifted.

How did you find out I was against the team? to us i got banned i got banned i woke up the last day of the sub-aithon and i was banned the last the dead ass last day i woke up and i saw an email and it was like uh it was something like uh twitch account adapt has been suspended and every day i would wake up and like you would wake up and when i wake up i would see the chat be like oh he's up and like you see the chat start moving a little bit nothing's moving over there and i see this on my phone and i'm like oh my god i was so bummed out i was like there's no way i'm not gonna be able to finish this i'm on the one yard line and i got banned and we ended up figuring it out and i like i got to i got to finish the sub

with the boys but i was like fuck i was so sad when i woke up that day but yeah that's it's tOS to ask for gifted subs uh for like something like to drink or probably yeah so that was definitely a way we we did it but other than that like the whole idea of a subathon is to get subscribers and like you but just in general in general speaking like as a streamer what do you think the best ways for you know for people who are watching like y'all how do i fucking do this like what are the best ways to get subs besides making good content i mean for me i'm still so new to the space so i don't know if i could speak on it that crazily but i would just say like the more consistent you are streaming the more you stream the more people are going to want to sub so they get less ads right

yeah or they get no ads at all and then also yes setting up sub goals and actually do them it's probably another good thing to encourage people to subscribe or encourage people to give but i think the main underlying thing is being consistent so people who are in your streams every day like they're eventually going to be like you know what i don't want any more ads all i'll drop amazon prime on this or all i'll subscribe you know yeah so what's the so back to the question i had earlier what do you think the future for phases is they're just going to focus on iRL content I mean we're really on some day-to-day shit like with phase and like that's kind of how it's always been but we have a few things planned we have something big plan we have an announcement coming

actually pretty soon we just shot a video the day after the sub-athon we're announcing something pretty cool a new member no no nothing like that I don't know if we were going to announce a new member anytime soon because I feel like throwing something a new person in the mix right now I don't know if that's necessarily what we need to do but I think what's next is just yeah like we don't exact like we have something big planned in December like a bigger thing kind of like you know how we had the sub-aathon

and then we had the LA house and then before the LA house we had the founding fathers land where banks played name like there's a few moments after the reboot that you can point to that all sort of segued into each other some small or some bigger, but we have something big planned in December. But I mean, as long as we're all together and we're all around each other and we're all doing our things, streaming, helping each other out, whatever, this and that, that's really all that matters.

That's really all that matters right now. And you're just going to have to see what we got playing. I know there's something big in December, but other than that, we're just going to keep doing our thing. We'll be at the phase crib. Had there been any points during the same? sub-a-thon are just making content with the new guys where like there's like real issue i mean i i see i can see it when some of them get for real mad or when some of them are genuinely over it um

where there there have been some real issues and sometimes between like the guys there was a few times where some people like got mad at each other and snapped on each other and things like that but like that's normal you know what i mean when you're living in a house just in general, if you're living in a house and you have roommates, you're gonna snap on your roommates at times, you know what I mean? And now you throw in the fact

that you're streaming 24-7 and you have a camera and you have a chat and like people are dictating and gaslighting and like saying this and saying that like, it makes it a lot like harder to like control yourself at times, you know? So I have seen times where like guys like,

we'll get over it or get snappy and like, you know, be like fuck this. You know what I'm saying? But like ultimately, at the end of day we're all we're all brothers we're all there for each other we're all like doing this for the same reasons you know what i mean and we all we all come together and everything's all good yeah are you gonna are you gonna make a content outside of streaming now i don't know if i'm gonna start doing stuff on youtube again because i'm having so much fun with streaming like

i genuinely don't see myself being like all right i don't want to like sit and plan out a youtube video when I could just do a stream and clip like a cool part like a segment from the stream or a fire stream and upload it on my DAP live channel which has not like my DAP live channel has like 30,000 subscribers something so so small like almost as much maybe a little bit more than I had on Twitch my fucking phase adapt channel has six million subscribers five six million subscribers and I haven't posted on it consistently in a few years I could go ideate a YouTube video shoot a YouTube video for my face adapt channel and posted but i think i could clip one on my stream i know i could because i've done it in the past month and post it on my have it get have it get

posts on my adapt live channel and it'll outperform it yeah so i don't i don't see that be and also it's not something that i want to do you know what i mean like sure like i could build it up and it could be good but i don't think i'd have fun like forcing myself to make youtube videos i'd have i have fun streaming though yeah it's crazy how like that that becomes like just think about this whole conversation we've had so far the most important thing to be good at anything is like not necessarily just to have fun but to like actually enjoy what you're doing yeah like because obviously having fun is the goal but you can't just go and do things to have fun and be like it's gonna make me money and right that's not it's not a realistic thing but enjoying the thing that you're actually doing

seems to be the thing that it's just congruent and consistent in like this conversation and so many conversations I've had in the past about how people found success was like actually although at time it's definitely work still having fun and enjoying that work because it's you're like just genuinely a part of you is like truly there and in it and having fun right obviously you can't say it's never work and there's it's to know like because people hear this shit and they'll be like oh I'm just supposed to have fun if I'm not having fun then if it's work it's not fun that's not what I'm saying because it's definitely work and it has to be work but if you're not finding that enjoyment in it if it's something specifically like in like a content creation space in the internet in general and if you

don't like it you're 100% it's not sustainable you're not going to continue it it's not going to grow people are going to feel it i think whether it's like streaming or fucking youtube content i think the key is are you actually enjoying it is it something that you can truly engage it and people see it and can feel it and then they'll be able to be like oh i whether it's they want to be a part of it or they want to do something like that or they can learn most from it i think that's just the key is like really loving what you're doing 100% and also I was stressing this to the guys when we when we finished like because I've obviously been in this space for a while like just like you I've lived in phase houses when I first came into the phase house I was the younger one like the youngest one

also the like the dumbest if I'm a key bit of stack like I had the least life experience I didn't even know how to fucking do my laundry and even I barely knew how to make eggs now it's flip yeah and so now you look at like you fast forward to today I'm looking around like this is like such a full circle moment like it's crazy as hell but also like I was trying to stress to these guys like you got to

like give yourself time like sometimes like you got to like not burn yourself out of this like because I see it and all them they all have this passion for this they all love this they're all consumed by this space but if they let it like take the front seat completely and they start putting things like their mental

health and their physical health even like their emotional health like if they put that in the backseat and just it's all content stream stream stream chat this chat this they're going to burn out and crash and the the passion for this that they have it's this this thing that they love so much that they've built such a career on is going to be the thing that they grow to hate yeah because it i've it happened to me i've seen it happen to oh i've seen it happen to everyone all of the homies you probably have to it's happened to me it's probably happened to you too it happens to everyone in this space and like I'm sitting here trying to tell them like because we just did 30 days straight right some of these guys like max in particular he did a hundred days um and then he gave

himself like a two three day break and then he jumped into this streaming again and then in the subathon and I'm trying to talk to some of these guys like like we're finishing the subathons last day like how what's everyone going to do and like some guys like oh I'll take this much time off I'll take this much time off some guys are like I'm gonna start streaming again two days three days and it's like that's cool like I'm not going to tell you not to do that if that's what you want to do but you need to like really make sure you're you're paying attention to your own health outside of this like you need to exist outside of streaming to some capacity or you're gonna burn out and it's gonna it's gonna suck yeah it's gonna suck it is weird how like sometimes

like the thing that we like love and enjoy the most can like really fuck us up it's a it's like a really fucked up double-edged sword like yeah i wonder if it's just that i mean there's got to be a lot of things in life that i like that like work wise in relationship to like enjoyment what the internet's got to be one of the one of the hardest things to like really balance that because it's this that external dopamine that you get from like the views or the likes or the money or whatever it is in relationship to it's fucked up yeah and then it's almost it's like a drug because then it's like oh you you feel like you're supposed to want more and if you don't want more than it's a problem so like and then you also feel like

if you stop a party i'm gonna lose it so there's like that real thing that happens and so then you have this fear that's also baked into this like dopamine response system that's like if i don't do it enough it's never it's not gonna be there anymore it's fucking crazy the internet's fucking nuts for that that's the biggest thing like advice wise to people who want to get into it is like what you're saying is so important because you'll get caught up in that like yo yo effect of like views like a lot a little a lot a little more or less more or less and then you're like it's great it's bad it's great it's bad and then you're like love for it can shift because now you're like okay i have to get back because i was here and i have to do enough

to get there again and then like it fucks with you mentally and your ego and it's just nasty cycle but you're so right dude to people watching and to you know to the phase guys do whoever's like interested in streaming and being consistent and having long-term success there has to be days where you're like yo am i just good without all this because i am and you are and you are and you can be it's just like but you got to be like fucking actually realizing it otherwise you just get caught in the cycle and it's almost like never enough never enough you're constantly like you're saying like you're like oh i got i got to get this much views i got to go bigger i got to go better and it's like oh damn like my views are down to here now like this is fucking me up mentally like am i doing something

wrong do i need to do i need to do i need to do this and it's like this cycle and you like it's it's messed up because you end what ends up happening is like you let how your content is performing dictate your mood like dictate like if you're happy that day or if you're bummed out that day not you don't let the the quality of the content or if the video is good it's how it performs which is fucked up it's like because you could still be in your head making videos that you think wow this is a great fucking video like this is going to go crazy or this will at least like get here and then it won't and you're like hang on like and it's just weird because like there's no blueprint for for what we do like in this content internet space

there's no case studies of like I like look what I mean maybe now they're all like you've seen people come up and then people go crazy and people lose it and then people come back yeah but there's really like not a lot of data like to be like no it's still brand new yeah but like it is like you said it's a cycle where you're constantly like comparing yourself to your past self 100% or like your past numbers and then you're trying to think like what do you need to do to get here and then also you feel like you can't take a break yeah especially with like youtube and streaming like you're like damn if i take a fucking week off like what's gonna happen to these numbers you're gonna forget that's it's it's it's just about i mean yeah i think as a streamer

if you took like a couple months off you're gonna get less viewers when you come back but even in some cases i don't know though for sure i mean i think it depends on your relationship with your community yeah and also depends on your community like If you spent years, like, really catering to and making content and streaming every day to your specific community, then, sure, I do think, like, you could take a little bit of time off and come back and they'll be there. Like, Rage, for example, Rage is on a break right now. He hasn't streamed, I think, in, like, two months.

But he's got one of the most active communities and engaging communities in all of streaming. YRG, shout out to YRG. And I think that when he comes back and he starts streaming again, wherever he starts streaming um they're all gonna be there and it's gonna it might even be bigger than what he expects it might even he might even come back and make more noise depending on do you know why he stopped what direction probably i mean i think it's because he hasn't taken a break in seven years like he's like that's what he was saying like he's consistently been in this world streaming every day for seven years he's done everything you know what i mean and like he's done his thing you know what i'm

saying like so he deserves like some time off to like think about like himself and his life and like what he has going on and also he's got to make a decision if he wants to stream on Twitch or if he wants to stream on kick you know what I mean because he's he's doing his kick thing right now I think he just finished his year on kick and so now it's like all right where do I want to go do I want to go to Twitch or kick because it's like a decision you got to ask like do you want it like you want the bread do you want money or do you want to be able to like grow more and be able to take this to a higher level you think growing is on is on twitch yeah i think it's just yeah i i think it's undeniable that if you're streaming on twitch and you go over to kick you're going to stunt your growth

um just because when people think about live streaming in general like that's on twitch like the amount of people you could reach on twitch is a lot broader and also kick has like a reputation for who streams on there like the type of streams you know what i mean yeah i don't like i don't i don't don't know a lot of people have Twitch on their phone but I don't think a lot of people have the kick app on their phone and this is not me throwing shade or anything yeah I just think that as a creator an upcoming creator especially like if you make that pivot to another platform it couldn't be it could be anything it could be rumble it could be kick it could be any of these platforms your your viewership is going to stunt yeah it would be like just because a user base is

not as large I don't know the main things yeah I don't know if you remember there was a competitor to YouTube years ago. I forget what it was, but they were offering massive deals for YouTubers to exclusively go post their YouTube videos on there like millions of dollars. I forget what it was.

It was like 2017, 2018, but like... I kind of remember that. I forget what it was, bro, but it was a competitor to YouTube. And I'm pretty sure they offer, I don't know if it was me or maybe it was Norden or one of the guys in the house,

a lot of money, or maybe it was. me like a lot of money up front to just post on on this platform and announce that you're switching to this platform and I thank God none of us did because I that would have for sure like derailed or or we would have pivoted in a direction that was a lot different yeah yeah I mean because at that point it's just you're doing it just for dollars right mm-hmm which is cool like I don't have nothing against that but I think that if you still want to keep going up in this game and in this space that there's a way to do it yeah you still think twitch is that

platform yeah yeah for sure it definitely feels that way i think that the it's just the user base is so much wider yeah just the simple fact that there's more people on that people still think of that as like that's where you go to watch live stream stuff i think i think kicks out a good job for sure uh with what they have i think it's but it's it started off it almost seemed like solely from aden's audience is kind of like what was on kick you know yeah i do think it's been the only company or platform that has came and stood next to twitch 100 for as long as it is as it has and it you know came the right like it popped it off the right way we have an aiding come over yeah and then rage come over and then xc i'm pretty sure too he's over there i think they did

all the right things it's just a matter of like continuing that that climb for them if they want actually like really rival twitch on the thing that we're talking about which is like where's the baseline okay you know you know at one point everyone goes to fucking LA because that's where everyone is to make content like that's like the Twitch right so it's like they they definitely I think they're doing a fucking great job at at trying to compete in that lane it's just probably takes a little bit more time to really get there yeah for sure you yeah they need to like consistently be right there next them for a few years you know because no one has never yeah no one ever has um which is crazy to even think about did you go back to

arizona at all i haven't gone back in a minute i went the last time i was back i went with me and my parents went to game two of the sons and wolf series or was it game it was game three and we lost we got swept yeah tragic that was a very tragic trip The sun's got fucking swept, bro. Are we fucking for real? In the first fucking round, are we fucking serious? I was so bummed. But, no, that was the last time I was back, probably in June.

I used to go home a lot more. I used to, like, dead ass, go home every month and see my family and my friends out there, but I haven't been back. And I need to go back. I was going to go back after the Sub-Athon ended, but it's been such a hectic week. Like, the day after Sub-Avathon, we had a show. shoot all day and then Wednesday and Thursday I was moving I'm still moving homes and then last night I had a shoot with rug and then I woke up today now we're doing uh doing this yeah so I haven't

really been like fuck I can go so what are you gonna go take a break or you get back to it I don't know because now I feel like like like we were saying earlier it's so fucked up because now I feel like if I if I if I take too long off after the sub-bathon like fuck are they are people gonna load up into my stream when I turn it on you know what I mean like that'll be there yeah but like I don't want to take too long of a break and also not be like I do I do think time away is important but also like with streaming I don't feel like I know enough around it I feel like I also I can balance in like my actual life and streaming like where like I go to the face house I stream out my room there I do stuff with the guys and then also like if I want I could go back to my crib and chill

and stuff like that. So I don't know when a real break will come, like a real vacation, maybe closer to Thanksgiving, probably. I think I'm going to take a real, like, okay, I'm going to go to a trip somewhere because I don't think I've taken an actual vacation in years, bro.

Maybe like, not for content. Like, I went to Japan. Yeah, and my trips have always been for content. With all the guys, but we were streaming the entire time. Like, that's not really a vacation. You know, we went there with the purpose of like, okay, we're streaming and making content. I'll probably take one closer to Thanksgiving,

like the week leading into Thanksgiving and then go home and see my family and stuff like that. I think that'll be fine. Yeah. And so one last question, the gym for you, how is important is that? Because you seem like to be serious about it. Like you showed up at least zoo a bunch of times

that you guys are actually trained. You definitely look like you actually train. Yeah. Not just like, not just physically, but when I watch you train, it's like you've done it and you like it. It seems like it. Yeah, I love it.

It's always been, a part of my life since, really, since I started really making like content content like that. If you go back in my vlogs when I was in high school, there were always segments of my vlog where I was in the gym with my boy Mo, and we were always working out, always with such a, it was like a part of my routine.

And over the years, like there's been times where it's like stayed in, stayed in my routine, like, especially like in the phase houses. We had a lot of, we had gyms and a lot of the phase houses, so it was a lot easier every day to like, go with one of the homies and like,

we would go lift like me and tense me and tenser would lift at the at the face house and weed lake and then me and rice would lift at clyborne with uh shan our security guard he would just run us through workouts and yeah i've definitely learned a lot of things over the years of consistently lifting and i think it's super important to like not just for your physical health but for you like mentally like to go and work out at least for me you know i mean and during the sub-athon we're streaming 24-7 right we're streaming our whole life's like so i'm looking around I'm like, yo, guys, there's no way we shouldn't be in the gym every day. There's no way.

There's a gym right here. Brad is letting us go to his gym every day. We can go in there with Android, not feel like fucking weirdos. Yeah. Right? Because you saw how it is when we all pull up. It's like this for the podcast, except they're handheld. Yeah.

It's, it's cameraman behind every tripod. Yeah. And it's like a fucking psyched out black mirror episode every time I'm in public with everyone. Because it's like, obviously, like me and like Lacey. and Max and Ron maybe like it'll be us and we'll be out and then there'll be four cameraman with all like like with us like pretend like they're not there sometimes and it's just like it's just like a weird feeling you know what I'm saying but I told all the guys I was like yo we should all be in the gym working out every day Brad's got this sick fucking gym yeah um I can like run us through

workouts and stuff and everyone like in the crib before the supplemental I was all like yeah I want to work out I want to do this and everyone's always like i want to do this i want well let's do it so i would wake up every morning wake everyone up knocking their doors call their phone whatever i'm like all right we're leaving in 30 minutes then we would all get in my car and go to the gym work out thank you by the way again yeah of course brother for opening up the gym for us there was times where you even left it open at night you know a little bit later i could come in um so that was super clutch and um yeah i it's it's an important part for me now with streaming it's a little tricky because i i i'm someone who's like very

used to like a routine so like if i work wake if i but if i work out i want to wake up and work out off the wake up and then go start my day yeah you know what i mean that's how i've been my whole my whole career yeah and for a while like up until i started streaming i was doing that at uh at unbreakable you know that gym yeah shout to unbreakable like because you go in there like really it's like you're really moving and working out and they also have a lot of cool recovery stuff I will wake up every day and hit either the 8 a.m. or the 10 a.m.

Work out for like a year and a half. Sometimes I would box or do like moitai or whatever else was going on in there and then I would go start my day. It's just great. Like you have this like false sense of accomplishment when you leave the gym. False sense?

Well, I mean, really you're just doing the bare minimum like to not be a lazy like a lazy piece of shit. Yeah, 100%. Like I mean, And maybe I'm like over exaggerating because like when you're in the gym, you're not doing the bare minimum. You know, like you're still in there working. But like it's not hard to go block off 45 minutes a day because it's really all you need.

Everyone makes excuses though 100%. Yeah. And I'm not hearing them. Yeah. I'm not hearing them. That's why I'm knocking on these fools doors. I'm like, yo, let's go. I'm leaving.

If you're not in my car by 11, we're out. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, I mean, I enjoy it. I think it's important. It's important for your physical health. then also your mental health and you just feel good when you leave the gym like it's like you get like this dopamine hit and you know then you see the results and then like you know it's like a routine like you go to the gym you take pre you work out you go get a protein shake and then you shower

and then you start your day you know what I mean like it's all very like it's like a habit and I like I like the process I like going to the gym I like listening to music on the way of the gym I like being in the gym I love working out I like the post workout I like the recovery The ice bath shit Like that we did

I hate that I hate that but I love it Yeah you're supposed to You're supposed to not like it That's the whole point Like that's where you get A real sense of accomplishment When you do something like that

You know what I'm saying Like you could go to the gym And like do a lift regularly But like you don't feel like That crazy right You don't feel that accomplished Yeah I get you Just did some crazy

But like when you go sit in the ice bath for like i did five minutes one of the time like we did three when we first did it yeah and we did five i and you feel like a like a tank out like you feel like mentally like so much like so strong like damn like because when you first get in there you're like oh fuck no yeah it's the worst you're every every fiber you're being is telling you to get out of the water yeah and then you just like breathe and thug it out and you feel like you feel good and then you throw that in at the end of a workout and it's yeah it's it's fire so i mean it's just like all those little things in life the little things you do that you know like are fucking difficult they just they it makes

it every time a little bit easier to do more of the difficult things like that's the key of it to make it like really like simply put because it's obviously scientific shit that's happening in your brain and these certain things are growing within your brain where it's like it's allowing you to like be able to do more but the reality is it's just like doing more of the shit that you don't like that you know is good for you and just things that are hard or more difficult in general so then when more difficult things come you're better at dealing with them that's what's happening. you think some of those things are with like the things that are happening scientific like physically yeah or just in general speaking like how like the example of like the ice bath like you go in there and

like you don't like it but it's good for you and you still do it anyways oh everything i mean like having a conversation that you're avoiding in in a relationship or in a friendship like just things that are uncomfortable yeah or like streaming for x amount of hours even though you have fucking 10 viewers knowing that you have to do it in order to get to the 15 to the 15 to the the 20 to 100 like doing the things that are difficult that aren't giving you that immediate satisfaction but like there's a payoff spending the time in school like studying for something that like you know you really because you want to pass this test whatever it is like all those things it's like that that physical representation the cold plunge thing it just that's like a literal

like physically it's happening and then so you get out and you're like whoa I feel way better like that's the same concept that all these things they're just not physically like in water yeah but that's the you know the studying is the water the conversation is the water like all these things that i just talked about but that's what makes you better so then next time you have to have the conversation or study or figure the thing out it's way easy for you to go towards it instead of away from it because most people just go away from it because it's difficult but like nothing good in your life is going to be good going away from the shit that's difficult like it it's not how life works like you're not going to get to where you want to go by

being like i'm just going to take the easy route every single fucking time you got to get comfortable would be an uncomfortable 100% i mean it's like it's been said a million times but there's no denying that and so the cold plunge is like a literal physical representation of like your body's ability to like and then actually develop the the okay i'm gonna keep doing this i know it's hard and then eventually the thing you'll notice if you keep doing the cold plunge eventually it's just not even hard yeah you're just so locked in and it's routine that yeah but i mean really like if you do it for a month two months you'll it'll be just like normal and you'll realize like oh anything could feel this way if I put in the effort to get past

the hard part yeah yeah I'm I'm excited to get to that point with that in particular but in general what you're saying yeah those things in life that don't give you immediate satisfaction that you still every day are chipping away at chipping away at chipping away at and then over time you get the payoff like those I think are some of the most valuable things um oh that's what life's all about it's the same thing we spoke earlier about the addiction thing the same thing like you're like no this isn't bad this isn't bad the next you know you've been addicted for for fucking four years to fucking vapes and it's negatively and inversely impacting your life it's the same thing the opposite direction right yeah it's just like this is easier because there's like

some sort of satisfaction that's happening the vape part right you're cheating yeah and then this stuff's harder these things are more difficult but like bro like that's that's what's going to make your life worthwhile and worth living and enjoyable is by going towards the hard shit yeah and nothing nothing is like if it was easy everyone would do it you know what yeah we wouldn't be having this fucking conversation if it was easy if it was a layup everyone would be doing it but you put like i know you probably can relate but like you got to like sacrifice and like do things that you don't want to do to even be in the position that you're at today like you know what i mean like you got your own crib you got your own gym you're chilling like you're you're good but

that this is what people see now you know i mean people people didn't see like what you were talking about in 2010, 2011, when you were uploading photos with your trainers, like going in like, like, even like in fast forward a few years, like driving out to Newport to do like a YouTube video with me. Like they don't see like all the hours of you probably researching shit on your computer to do for content.

Like there's a lot of things that go into this that people don't see that I know because I'm on the side of the fence with you. But I think that are, they're important to know. And then like, yeah, I mean, I think it's, all things right like all success whether it's social media success or anything like people people only see the success right you only see the outward facing like side of it because you know that's kind

of how it works right like no one's because no one's like recording that i mean maybe now with live streamers but like most people who are succeeding at something they're not like documenting every single tiny piece right unless you're diddy and you videoed everything and now you're thoughts but um but like jokes aside like you're not you're not filming every nitty gritty piece of your life and like yeah like people don't see it so i think that also creates a space where people think what either it's so easy or like you didn't work that hard for it or whatever it is but i mean none of that really matters is the work that you're willing to put in and just you want other people to to see as much as they can so that they kind of get a clear

picture so that if they want to do it or if they think it's something that they could do that are they willing to really go through the shit that's what when you asked earlier about like advice for people that want to get into streaming or this in general that's what i mean when i'm like you got to be okay with like doing shit when no one's watching to further like yourself in this space and also doing shit without seeing results for a minute you got to be able to keep your head down and just stay locked in on on your goals and keep headed towards those without letting all the outside noise without letting the numbers out letting this affect you because that's what everyone had to do they all had to go through thousands of hours probably of editing and uploading

and like grinding and like doing shit when no one was watching and shit that people don't even care about to be able to be in a position where now you you can do X, Y, and Z and these are the results. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Congrats, bro. I'm glad I'm glad you're back thank you back making content yeah it's it's great it's great to be back back in the space and you know to be in front of a camera again and like it's just cool and i think it's it's for people who have been following me for a while it's probably cool for them to see too because like i started when i was 13 and like they kind of got to like a lot of my audience got to grow up with me you know what i mean like i was locally raised on the internet like people knew everything about my life from like the girl

I was dating to who my best friend was to my sister and my family and like I would make videos every day. I made a video every day for two years and then I stopped and I started again and then like it was walked it back a little bit but then I took a break off the internet for a while and sorted some things out now I'm back and it's just yeah I'm just grateful and I'm happy to be here and yeah thank you for having me bro. It was awesome to come on here and talk yeah proud of you man for real thank you doing great you're a good you're a good figure for for the guys who that you're working with man like you're a good older figure that's like not saying you're old because by by no means are you old oh they are saying that but i'm sure you get that i'm sure you get that

yeah yeah no i'm dead apparently to them you know no they are definitely saying i'm old bro and i'm only i mean i'll say only and then 27 and then it's just like in the twitch that damn damn Yeah, but, bro, it's like, fuck. It's like, that's not even that old, bro. It's not, it's not, man. It's just a, it's a perspective thing, right? And it's also, I think they, it's like to troll you to. Yeah, no, for sure.

It's like to play, people are leaning into it for sure. But it's dope. You had to be on like the older one now and like to be able to like help the guys out with different things because I've seen it. Like I've been on the internet like from a greater's perspective who's so engaged in it. And there's specific things that you don't know or don't pick up on because you're so in it, like you're so involved. But since I've gone through it and gone through the motions and like experience a lot of things coming up, I can help point these guys in the right direction. And, you know, just be there for them ultimately if they ever need anything or just someone to talk to or just to help them out.

You know what I mean? Even if it's little shit like, all right, let's go to the gym. Let's go hit the fucking gym, y'all. Let's go work out. So I'm happy. I'm grateful. Shout to the guys. Shout to you.

And shout to the viewers. Appreciate you. Yeah. So when are you going to start streaming again, actually? I think the latest I see myself waiting is the 10th. But I low key want to start again sooner. I don't know. I also kind of want to like see what the other, like gauge with the other guys with

what they're doing. And like, you know, but I do want to come back. around the 10th which is like smooth you know also i need to get situated in my new house i just moved in yesterday i have a mattress on the floor and boxes everywhere so like i got to set some stuff up maybe take like a two three days and then set my streaming room up at the phase house which is fire now because i have like a legit room there now nice before i was just like streaming off random setups like i have a bed there too now so if i want to stay late or crash there i can do all that um but yeah not like us there's no way i wait past the 10th or the the 11th the latest the latest

this flipped up crazy right there the whole podcast i got through without yeah till the end god damn it yeah you crushed that though you did a good job bro thank you this is fun thank you for coming on for real yeah i appreciate you having me like i you know i've done podcast before um like i did rugs and swags but i feel like that just sort of exists in the phase ecosystem yeah so it's cool to come on here with you and you know chop it up and i've known you for a while yeah it really just feels like we're just genuinely having a conversation and it's dope to hear from your perspective too because you're like a first generation content creator too like yeah like you've been doing this for since 2010 2011 you said like instagram first started like

which is crazy and you're here today and 14 years later bro like still in the space like a like a titan of this whole it's fucking weird of your of your lane on the internet like you're a fucking titan like there's not a lot of people who are up there with you you know so congrats to you and props to you like I know how hard it is to

go from like like to evolve throughout the years of content creation and to even be here today where you're as successful as you are it's a lot of fucking work you know what I mean and I know that that's not easy and you deserve it bro I'm happy for you you know you earned it for real

and thank you brother it's cool to be on here and to talk you yeah man yeah keep crushing it bro i appreciate for real yeah more to come man let's more to come for us both yeah thank you so much yeah of course bro