RAWTALK - THE FALLING OUT OF DOM MAZZETTI & BRADLEY MARTYN, THE END OF BROSCIENCELIFE??

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

We are back! If you know SHELL CORP, BRO VS. or DOM MAZETTI, you know MIKE TORNABENE! We dissect the mind of the entertaining, funny, & creative Mike Tornabene. He opens up about his relationships, businesses, growth, trauma, & social media. We explore the journey that Mike Tornabene had throughout his success & identity that is connected with each individual business.SPONSORS:HTTPS://www.liquidiv.com Use code: RAWTALKSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339 FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartyn SUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

So what do you think of the spot? Oh, yeah, it looks a little different since when I was living in it. Yeah, it's way different. God damn. Wow, a lot has changed. This is trippy. Damn, look at you, dude. Yeah.

Do you get any more tattoos since I last seen you? A few, yeah. The ones in the neck. You know what I feel like really changed? The most just, if I just look at you besides the tattoos, it's your swag. Ooh. You got more swag overall. Like you got the whole, the jewelry, the fucking, the rings and shit.

now. It's coming to my own. Yeah. A couple years. Now we've been doing the internet for a million years. Honestly, it is a million years. With the, you know, the exchange rate, 12 years in the internet is a million years in real time. I think so. Yeah. So, I mean, how do I get into this? For people who don't know who this is, my audience, if you've been tried and true for me for years, you're going to know exactly who it is. If you're new, then essentially most people know you as a professor, obviously, you know, he was Dahmerzetti. But Mike Tornibene, obviously a crazy talent, I'd say, in the, in the internet space. And I'm just a comedy space, I guess specifically on the internet for years. A lot has changed. Yeah. A lot has changed. He, does you guys,

I don't know if you guys know or not? He and I used to make content all the time together. We made, I don't know how many videos. I mean, we made a bunch on like together on my channel, on yours and then and then bros verse which i don't remember how many videos we had on there but a ton man i just remember i mean it's funny because the other days larry wheels came out to me was like yo i want to go do this like uh um salmon ladder thing and he was suggesting some gym and i was like oh that's crazy i was like you should try this gym and i reference where we did the ninja warrior thing um i guess i mean shit man i guess we got to get right into it what uh what happened with us because they're gonna be like yo yeah what happened why the fuck are they don't

what happened bro's verse exactly um because you i know they're asking it in their mind they're listening to like addressing motherfucker um why don't you take the the lead on this one i mean bro i got i just got caught up in shit i got caught up in my own shit i got caught up in life shit and just where my emphasis or my focus was at the time which is completely not not in where it needed to be to make that content continue to work for us you know i mean i talked to you about a little bit off but yeah genuinely speaking man it wasn't just content and you know there's obviously like other content i was making but there was just so much i think in my life in general that i i was just like sorting out that you know even to this day i continue to kind of sort out but i've got a

much better handle on it now just part of the reason why you know i reached back out to to to uh i asked you actually i think i don't know months ago that was like come on the podcast and then obviously at that point we hadn't like talked so it's kind of like probably just dropped but Yeah, we did have a conversation for some time, like, I don't know, two weeks ago now. Yeah, something like that, yeah. But a ton of change in my life personally. And I think, yeah, I just, I mean, just genuinely speaking, man, I haven't made always the right choices in my life for a lot of things. Not just like friendship stuff, business stuff.

There's a lot of things that I've made mistakes on. And, yeah, just being honest about that. You know, you were one of the people that, as far as content went, it was always super easy. and seamless to make content together we just had that vibe it was always easy and uh as a friend you're a great friend and uh i kind of flopped out a little bit and you know straight up just i apologize so i want to say that on the internet and yeah well i appreciate that i know it's like you know we both had our have priorities going into rose verse you know we have our main things where we want to go our livelihood you know stuff that we have to take seriously and

it's like when you combine two things it's always going to be hard for us to like that balance. But yeah, man, I was like, I love Bro's Verse, man. It was my favorite thing to do comedy-wise. Like, it was, we had a lot of fun and I was like really committed to it. So I was like, that's why I moved into this pool house. I was like, I don't really need to be moving into like a content house at like 30 something plus living in literally this room. Like this was my, this was my house. But I was like really down for it. I was excited to see where it went. And obviously, as you said you know you kind of like had a separate focus and for a time that was you know hard because I was like super committed to doing it like I was like really excited about where I could go

but beyond that I felt like you know it did impact our friendship and that that was for me the hardest part was like to you like we were so close for like six years and I liked working with you because we had a good time you know it was never like an exchange of anything there was never any like I didn't want or need anything from you was just like this is my boy and we make cool shit yeah and so you know it's been a minute but like I'm glad we were able to like talk about that and I really appreciate it man and you know it's it's good I'm trying to change my life on a lot of levels man I like a lot of levels and I think I remember around this time to the thing that was I think most frustrating I think just

external outside of obviously the relationship aspect of it yeah was YouTube itself just became like a completely different platform where it was like really penalizing the kind of content that you know we would make which was very kind of crude and raw just like yeah you know really unkept and we're swearing and they really did start to penalize that content i think it was around the same time you really were trying to push it and it was just like it was just getting fucked it felt like i think the the hardest part from the beginning of bro's verse was how are we going to monetize it right like it made sense from like a content standpoint like us joining together but having like two separate brands and like it was always

to monetize like my domazetti stuff my bro my bro sign stuff like still can't get to monetize but a lot of times like it won't which is like I don't know why like if one's bad they're all bad they're all the same but bro's verse would like consistently get to monetize it we weren't earning anything on that so it's like hard for us to justify like yeah let's put all of our eggs in his basket in our time when like we can make it elsewhere so you two was like really fucking us with that yeah but like it had such a reach and an organic following that like it like it went beyond the algorithm and like that's always been like my thing is like there's organic algorithm of what people like which like you don't need to just

like chase what the computer wants you to do it's like people are going to watch this shit and love it and it's going to get views because it's great so we were like knew we had something there but we were struggling to figure out how to make it monetize and make sense and I think that you know became really difficult for us to like find that balance yeah yeah and then well I mean the cool thing about it though I think it spawned into some some other great stuff I know for you specifically the shell corp stuff we we started with like that brand it was called dual at the time and then some of those um designs and stuff which you created like inspired and then kind of became a part of what you're doing now um so let's talk about that a little bit um it's i mean is that are those

pants from it too yeah these pants are dropping on the 15th on wednesday i'm not sure when this is coming out but yeah these are a new drop and so it's a shirt yeah yeah it's fire it's it's cool because like you're to me and from our past and the content we've made forever is you're like a total gym bro but it's actually really interesting for me to see this knowing you as a person not just as like domizetti the character like mike turnibendi a gym bro guy who does actually work out despite the fact that like you know he joked this character like dom mzzi's his character like you're actually a real gym bro in real life yeah and then to see the sort of like products that you've created over the years of you doing this are it's so funny because they're they're not

so fitness specific but they're very so much you like if if someone didn't know you like you're because this is funny I don't think people really understand this about you unless they've like listen to like you speak or talk about the kind of content that you've made you've been very like critical because I've seen you work I've seen you make content I've seen you create content and it's not like me like I'll show up and I'll be like this shit's funny this shit's relatable like fuck it just do it you you'll start from like what's funny what's relatable and you'll like dissect it to like this crazy degree and like right like really right and think and like you do you do so much to it which makes sense now when I look at your brand that you have now you spend you can tell you spend so much time to make it just right and it's not just like just to make some shit yeah yeah which is funny because I don't think like from the outside looking in people know most most people I would say would know you as domizetti obviously a lot more people now know you as mike torn and Benny which is who you are, but you as a human, you're so creative, you're so artistic, you're so like, thoughtful and like specific about what you do and, like, so detail-orientated that it's just

funny how, like, your character for so many years has been this, like, crude slapstick humor, but your personality behind it the whole time has been that person, and you actually, I don't think people really get this, but you spend, you would spend so much time. I remember seeing you writing down, like, how you wanted these, like, bro, science skits and things to go once you started really get into that stride and I was like I remember watching as a YouTuber who making content the same time obviously never that specific comedy genre I was just like fucking around and I was like holy shit this guy's like super like about it yeah man and it makes sense it makes sense why the thing you have now is is very specific and it's very

different it's very unique yeah and uh you know I just want to give you praise and congrats on that and in regards to all of that right as a human I just want to talk a little bit about this I guess over all these years of you making content and you like creating and like trying to create at this like this high degree on a platform that is so like fickle and up and down and like, you know, demanding at the same time. Obviously you had that joke running forever, which is like, you know, I make content and post every once in a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is funny, man. It's like, but it's like, I guess as a human having the personality that you have that I know obviously a little more detail than everyone else and I kind of shared a little bit about it now. but having that personality

like detail-oriented and then like living in a place of social media where it's just like it seems like someone can make like to what looks like the dumbest piece of content ever and it just like super excels and then to be like the person who like makes that content so like

really thoughtfully artfully together and then it maybe doesn't do as well because it's just not it's not catching the algorithm the same way or the platform the same way what does that do to you as a creator it crushes your soul just a little bit you know over time I mean like it's especially apparent now with TikTok right like it's a platform that rewards you for stealing shit it's built to like just keep copying and repeating and

it's just like people literally take my bits and just put them on their thing I've seen don't tag me and it's like oh now now I have a famous platform I'm a famous person because I just and that's okay like that's what you know the platform promotes um but yeah like i you know first off thank you for you know those kind words in the present it's it's really cool to see when people it's cool to hear when people see what goes into what i do because oftentimes you just see the end product and like you know i i put my all into everything i do like it needs to be i need to really believe in what i put out there which is why i don't put out so many bro science videos like it takes a long time to make them and i joke that it's like, oh, every week and it's an inconsistent. But I put, I pour my heart into writing

these things. Like, everything I do is like, I need to make sure it's the best it can be. And that's like the way I've gotten around the algorithm, the consistency. Like, it's good so it's going to go somewhere. And like, it's harder now if it were like to get it off the ground maybe. Yeah. Like, I've had it establish. But I truly believe in that. Like, to some degree, like, you can't fully fight the algorithm and it gets really frustrating. Like, I've made stuff on. I guess like my smaller platforms which would be my personal Instagram which are super important to my brand

because that's where I make my advertisements and we put a lot of effort into them they're basically short films and when they hit they're so important to the drop doing well and the brand getting eyes and like just all over and it just feels great because I put a lot of energy into it

but some days you just the algorithm doesn't hit it and it just tanks and you're like dude I just spent money time effort into like this piece And with Instagram, like, it disappears in a couple of days, basically. It's no longer on feeds. YouTube lasts a little bit longer, so it's, you know, not as bad. Like, you have some, it feels like your work lasts longer.

Yeah. So it can get really frustrating where you're like, yeah, it could have been just some like garbage that I ripped off from somebody else and it could have done like 10 times better, but I'm not going to do that. Like, no matter what, like I'm not going to sacrifice the principles and which got me here. Like, I'll have to make some changes as to like, how I get my stuff out there and like adapt just like with everything but the one thing I'm not going to do is like spend less time making it good yeah yeah well that's your personality um

so on a personal level like in relationship to like you as a human and doing this kind of work and being in the space for so many years because man you mean you're you're you're one of the original I would say fitness creators I'll be it comedy but on on the platform in general you're one of the first creators and then like I don't know how many people came after but there's not many people who have been doing it for this long, like, at all. So as like a person, I guess, what would you say, what, what has all this taught you about yourself and about other people? Like, what would you say, like, the main things you've learned about you as an individual

and, like, people along the way? I mean, it's been 12 years and I've learned a lot. Like, those 12 years, it's, those are not only, like, extremely formative years in your life, no matter what you're doing. Like, I started, I mean, I was, I was trying to, you know, write comedy and do all this stuff since I was in, in college. But my first viral video was 2010. I just graduated like six months after. So, like, my life has changed dramatically from that point to now.

Yeah. And the entire time, I'm, like, living on the Internet. So, and on top of that, living in the shadow of my own creation, which is like, you know, for a long time, people didn't even know my real name. like I didn't have a personal Instagram like I didn't nobody knew for probably probably seven years if people thought you were that guy yeah they didn't even know my real name thought you were domazette yeah I think 2014 no 2015 was when like I actually started doing my own stuff outside of it so that was yeah so yeah I feel like that was around the time you started filming with me yeah right around then yeah because I had met you like shortly after I came came out to to L.A so I had already had I had my

Domazetti Verse channel for two years, which was my first success in YouTube. And then I'd been doing bro science at that point for about three years. And then I met you at Gold. Yeah. And so I'd like, people didn't really know who I was. And I was just like, just this character. And over time, it started to become like an identity crisis. And that was like 2015, 16 for me of like, you know, who am I? And it's this weird thing where like, now I don't separate it. Like I obviously, it's a different persona and a character but like those are still my thoughts my jokes my creation like it's still me but before i almost saw it as like it was like competing with my my real personality like my value was only in domizetti and people like i was afraid people would

find me not interesting out of character and so it sent me on this journey of like who am i and what is my value outside of this this thing i've created now i don't need like i said i don't need to separate him as much. But the good part in that is like I sort of forced myself out of my comfort zone and did new things like my RPM channel, the car stuff. Like really I didn't want to just be this character forever. And I wanted to like explore more parts of my personality. When did you start to realize that you were like becoming like I guess it made it maybe around the same time of like the identity crisis in and of itself. But prior, I'm assuming there was a point prior to that where you started to notice that like you were just being classified as this

character like because you because it was the character that was your outer reflection on the internet when were you like wait a minute this is going in the wrong direction or not even necessarily the wrong direction just like where you didn't really want it to be because for you to come to the point where you go wait now wait who am i in relationship to this yeah that means at some point you were like wait how is this getting far away from me like the yeah like was it did that happen prior to coming to L.A.? uh no I think like it it was a timing thing about like how many years I've been doing it and then partly I wanted to share more about what went into the videos like I wanted people to see the writing behind it the thought process like just more

insight to it and then there was this time when there was this like aOL documentary that they wanted to shoot on on me and Gian who um oh yeah those you don't know Gian was like yeah my business partner for a while we wrote together we created together um you know we're still cool we don't work together anymore but we're still boys a lot of people ask um but they wanted to like shoot like a behind the scenes thing i was like oh this would be cool like i want people to see the whole thing behind it because it for a lot of people it's just it's like it's good comedy they love it but it's like silly gym stuff and like i wanted them to see really like inside the workings of it like we're writers like i'm a writer that's what i started doing and i wanted people to like get a little taste

as like oh this would be a cool idea to kind of like let people in a little bit and i absolutely hated the way they made it. They made it in a way that was all about how different I was from my character. And yes, like there is a stark difference if you meet me. Like you're like, oh, wow, this guy's way different. Yeah, you're not yelling. Yeah. And it's like, but if you produce it in such a way that the only storyline is like, look how different Dom is from his character. It's going to like, that's going to be the story. And I was like really disappointed. I was like, this isn't the story I wanted to tell. And I was like, fuck. Like now this is out here and people, this is the first taste people are getting of me out of character. And it has nothing to do with like how I

wanted to be represented. How did you want it to go? I wanted them to show the writing. I wanted them to show the creative process. And instead, they like, it was like this fake reality setup where like they had us go to like, me and Gian go to like this lunch place that we've never been to in our entire life and like talk about some stuff. Talk about like dating.

And we're like, this isn't what we do, man. We're like, this isn't right. Like we were just like, I, okay, like, you know, kind of naive. Really, I just wanted them to see. Yeah, right? Where are they now? Yeah, fuck them. Yeah, come on AOL.

Yeah, it really went well for you. So, yeah, I wanted them to just kind of see the process of like making a bro science video because I thought that would be valuable to people, interesting. And also like, you know, rewarding for me. And it wasn't. But the good thing about it was people were like, oh, dude, this guy is so lame in real life. He's so boring. And I was like, fuck, this is my nightmare.

This is my absolute fucking nightmare. But that's what forced me to be like, you know what? If someone's going to show who I am, it's going to be me. Yeah. And I was like, I, I. I'm terrified to do it, like, to start my own channel, to put myself out there. Because people love the character. They love the channel.

A lot of people would be like, it's like finding out Santa Claus isn't real. And I'm like, you know what that does to your psyche as like a fucking young 20-year-old? You're like, damn, so people think I suck. That's trash. And like, it's one thing when you're playing a character, like, I could take people not liking it because there's a buffer between my real self and, you know, their criticisms. because it's a character. It's like, I'm playing a character.

I'm joking, you don't get it, you don't get it, whatever. But when it's you, there's nothing there. You're just like, they just don't like me. They had to be a real YouTuber. Yeah, and I, weird career choice for me. I don't like opening myself to judgment. I mean, nobody does. But a lot of people are better at it than me, like, you being one of them.

You're just like, fuck it. This is who I am. I'm doing it. I don't care anymore. I've never been good at that. I'm still not. I'm getting better, but it forced me to be like, look, I got to get out of this comfort zone.

and I have to do it myself. Why do you think you're not comfortable with that? I don't know. Childhood trauma? Yeah, but we all got that shit. Come on. Of course. That's what I was.

You can hit me with a bill now? What are you saying? Yeah, 300 bucks an hour. Got it. Yeah. What trauma, though? What trauma will make you feel that way? I guess you're just being criticized, you know, as a kid, like perfectionism, you know?

Yeah. From my parents and shit? Yeah. Your dad's not like that. Oh, my dad's, look, I'm not shit talking about. I love my dad. He's a great dude. He's a reason I'm like the person I am like creatively. But yeah, like his his criticisms and his perfectionism. And it's like he means well. Like he just wants he like sees he sees where it's going. He sees the playbook and he wants to

really help you get there. Terrible at the execution. Yeah. He's always really nice to me, man. He'll slide to my stories and be like, you're doing great. No, he's he's a wonderful man. like he's nothing but good intentions but like it's just like he's got this laser focus on like I know what's right for the situation and the thing is he is right but it's not the way to like some delivery yeah and it's like I've had to learn that myself about I'm similar like I have to just be like I want to help people I want to you know get things done right and I want to insert myself into it sometimes the best thing I'd do is just back up bro you know and that's fucking hard but so that you know that a lot of criticism

and a lot of like perfectionism and just not wanting to make mistakes and just being like trying to be perfect and that I guess when you become an adult then you start to put those pieces together yeah and it slows you down though man it does that just slows you way down it does that's the fucking thing about it because then I that's our situations I realize like if I think about my my business growth or acceleration it was like every chance I was able to kind of like let go a little bit of it needing to be perfect for it to just to get done outside of me having to do everything yeah I saw the most benefit and that where I'm at right now. Like, that's what I'm trying to do where it's like, I understand that

I will not sacrifice on my principles of like it needing to be a certain way, but I can, it doesn't need to be 100% perfect. Yeah. Like my perfectionism isn't always, it's like, it's probably perfect already. Like just let up some control, let some people in that you trust to like operate this and help you with it. And, you know, it can all come together just right. Is it, is it the fear of it just like, like, what's the What's your biggest fear? Is it like just losing everything? Yeah, that's one of them.

I mean, like when you, when you work for yourself and you have such a... Because I think we've talked about this part before. Like such a volatile career where it's like you are... You're holding on to something completely... Fragileous and fragile. And you're like, it's fame. It's just like relevance.

Yeah. And everything you do is tied to that. Like, you're keeping. people's attentions for so long and you're you have businesses related to it and like when you lose that your money starts to go down and then like you're the life you built everything you've created is like it feels like the rug can get pulled out from under you at any moment and like that's definitely a big fear because the rug has been pulled out from under me many times and I'm just like fuck here we go again but that's like that's like life though no yeah like that's the thing

I think I think I don't think a lot of people recognize that with social media in general like because everyone it's not the most popular this is now the most popular this is now the most popular fucking thing that people want to do in the world they want to do social media they want to do something like this yeah podcast whatever this or that like YouTube shit and I don't think people realize that it there it does feel like that super fragile even for people like me and you've been doing this forever

yeah it still feels that that fragile like nature but what have you done that's made you more comfortable with that because you just continue to go right I just continue to go no matter what but what have you done that's made you like more accepting of it uh leaning more into myself and the things that I want to evolve, put out into the world, share. Like, if I only had in BroScience and Domazetti, like, I would feel really scared.

I'd feel like unfulfilled. I like, I know I can't do it forever. I know I don't want to do it forever. And I'd be like, yo, at some point, like, my time is up. And I got nothing else. So adding things to, you know, my career and my professional side is one thing. but it also was adding to me personally. Like I'm adding things that I see as like my own self-value

and the clothing brand and my style, like just getting back to doing things for me, like the tattoos. Like I've wanted to get tattoos forever. And I didn't because of the character. And I was like, you know what? I'm done doing that. I'm going to start doing things for myself. And I was like, this is who I want to be.

And it's time I start pulling a trigger on it. And then those things have gotten me more comfortable with just this space I'm in where it's like it feels like I can get taken away because the more you have the less pressure each little thing has where it's like I can take a step away from bro science and invest more here and I and it just it feels a little bit more at home like instead of just I landed here and I hope I can stay I hope you can figure it out yeah fuck man the internet's such a trip yeah it's just so great because like this is I feel like I can only have this conversation people who've really done this for this many years because most people would look at the

people look at it from the outside and be like the fuck of these idiots talking about yeah right it's like you just don't videos and shut the shut up man it's like yeah fuck it's a it's a different ass life and it's crazy because it's so glorified now and everyone wants it and it's just I just I don't know I just hope more people realize like not that it's not that it's not no it's great fucking can be completely incredible um there's just a lot more that comes with it that I don't think people understand like on that mental health aspect of it like that sanity because I mean how many times have you like you know you have to make a video I mean you even got to a point where you became a joke not to have videos right but like you know you have to

perform and this is the crazy thing about social media I don't think people really understand is that if you don't make the content and if it's not good enough like eventually like we're talking about the fragonness in it like you're fucked yeah you're going to fizzle out gone yeah and then there's going to be 10 more people that are like just non have to take your spot yeah so it's like the mental half the mental health aspect of like the relationship to like that constant like i don't know it's not like predatory but just like you're like trying to survive and it's just like this you sacrifice that security for the good parts about it it's great like i'm we're we're not complaining about what we do like this is i love it like i am

where i want to be like this is what i want to do but it's like i i'm just giving perspective and like i i i didn't the beginning, never wanted to be a YouTuber. I didn't even think it was a thing. This was 2010. Instagram wasn't invented. I was like, I thought it was kind of like looked down upon to be a YouTuber. And I just kind of like found myself in this area. And, you know, you're not, you're not really prepared for how, like, putting your entire life on the internet and that being like everything to you. Yeah. Like that, like you, most people can separate work and their person. life yeah you can't in this like you get you put your all of yourself out there and you ride those ups and downs like if you have a you know a down moment like your money's going to

take a hit and then your money takes a hit and then you start to feel pressure and that pressure affects your relationships and then then your content and then it just starts to snowball and like you don't you don't you don't really think about that stuff where you're just like oh it's just fame and money and fun shit like yeah it is but you know you still have to deliver and you are just the only person in this enterprise like really holding it all together and like all of it falls on your shoulders yeah yeah that's why it's like the the more relaxed i've gotten over the years is like the more that i've involved more people and like really try to incentivize people the right people to like be a part of what i'm doing yeah um outside of just me making content

like the other businesses and things like that because that's really the only way i think to to truly like grow beyond you know these characters or this content pieces that people are all expecting from you yeah um so i guess on that note besides shell corp what else are you working on what other things you work on uh so i actually just i've been working on uh invested with this company that does protein gummies so it's like gym candy right was you know let's do oh you have some shit gym candy this is the package you know it's just funny because it just reminds me of like one of your pre-workouts yeah it is the Because they got the...

Let me see the... Look at the bears. They're, like, jacked with tattoos on them. And it's got, like, incredible macros on it, and they're honestly delicious. Okay, well, so... Try that. Okay. I'm curious because, okay, it says 100 calories, 18 grams of...

Like, where is the protein coming from? 4 grams, neck carves? Gelatin. Now, I'm not the guy... I'm not the scientist, okay? I'm just the guy that makes the packaging look cool and talks about it. But it's fucking delicious. Dude, I feel like it's gonna taste chalky.

chalky try it oh shit and the gummy bears are jack too yeah the jack the actual gummy bears themselves are jacked like what the fuck it's actually really funny yeah yeah so what but I don't know any science on this but I don't know how to fuck gelatin though I mean it's not vegan friendly because it comes from animals yeah it's not for vegans no it says it on sorry guys yeah yeah but 18 grams of protein per bag 22 grams of carbs and one gram of fat and it's like most gym candy you kind of like it's just candy yeah or or it's just like here's a serving size and it's like four pieces you're like yeah I need like 10 bags this jack gummy bears yeah

I'm gonna see which I like the most this shit's good though right I'm liking the damn yeah I got the website gain gammies dot com game gummies yeah when did you start this uh it hasn't launched yet but it's about to um some guys approached me a little while ago showed me the product they've been working on it and i tried it and i was like dude this is delicious yeah so i'm i'm in this like that's something where it's like i believe so much in like the product that i was like yeah i'm down for it like let's do this yeah lemonade is the best one yeah lemonade is fire yeah yeah yeah damn that's crazy yeah so it's so funny the bears fucking got tattoos on um so and then i know you did the You had the game that you created.

Oh, do you even lift? Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah. You still do that? Yeah, we still do it. I mean, I think that's an example of something where, like, I was doing all this myself. We're, like, having a team and the right people to, like, really run these things as a brand versus just, like, offshoots of my content, like, merchandise.

Because, like, I made that whole thing myself. Like, I wrote the game. I came up with the rules, like, figured out how to produce it. And it did well. but it was like I don't have the time to just like run this like a separate entity and so it's like some of these things I create just don't get the attention they need because it's all in me so based on that I totally understand what you're just saying what do you think what do you think you've been the best at like what do you think your real talent is besides writing obviously I think I know that in the most broad sense yeah I know how to elicit certain emotions from just about anything like when it comes to comedy I know the words to put together, the way to arrange that sentence, the ideas to elicit laughter. When it comes to clothing, I know how to put an outfit together. I know how to like make the fit just so right that you feel cool.

You feel comfortable. You feel like you're expressing a certain part of it. Like when it comes to, you know, car stuff, I know how to express excitement, inspiration, adventure. Like I can see the pieces that go into something and be like, what's the feeling I want to get out of this? And whatever that is, like, I know how to engineer that. So I think that's, like, really what my talent is. And, like, that is my creative ability is just, like, I know what I want something to feel like. It's just this instinct that I have for, I guess, emotion and, like, you know, how something feels when you watch it, put it on, do it, listen to it, whatever.

Yeah. What do you get that kind of shit, though, from? It's like, you grow up thinking, like, I don't know. It's just because I understand what you're saying from knowing you. um you know even like i said earlier about like how you've written you you put so much into like writing the actual pieces for bro science i remember watching or seeing some of the stuff and being like you're doing all this to fucking make that but then it made sense because it was it was specific like if you're doing a bit about like crossfit or something for example you think okay

what's all the what are all like the things that could be really funny around this and you orchestrate this way to like present the joke which was just you know a normal person would just be like CrossFit's fucking lame and this is why and you know you know whatever yeah you've always put more effort and energy into things I guess like I'm curious did that start anywhere else in your life before it was showing up in content like were you that kind of person like were you that kind of kid growing up or was it something you just learned over time just from like realizing the things that you felt or the things that you liked in relationship to when you were putting clothes on or when you were doing something then you were like oh this like

were you realizing it and then being like oh this is what I'm going to implement into the things that I'm doing. I've definitely just more recently, like, realized what it all means and, like, how to utilize it. But it's part of it has been there since I was a kid. Like, it's part of, like, my DNA. Like, the way I, like, see things and analyze them and then can kind of, like, produce them in a different way.

You know, I was an artistic kid, like, drawing, creating different things. I've always had that in me. And, like, I don't know where it comes from. Like, I think it's just like the instinct part. Like, I don't know where that comes from. It's just something I just know. It's like I just trust my gut. I trust my vision and it just steers me in the right direction.

But as far as how to use that to get to like actually build the thing that's in my head, it's just analyzing in a certain way where it's like I take a bro science video. And like you said, I don't just go like, I'm going to make fun of this thing. I look at the layers of it. I'm like, why, what's funny here? What's going on? What's this trend? okay why do people do this why do they behave this way why do i when i go into the gym i do this certain thing let me think about like the driving forces in like my psychology behind that as to like

what makes me want to do this what's this coming from where is this feeling where is this where are these actions living and then you keep peeling back those layers and you find the relatable aspect to it that everyone goes holy shit i do that and then you just re-engineer it into a joke and get back to where you started and that way it's like it's not just a surface level joke like you were really getting to the core of what makes it relatable and insightful and then I just find the right words to deliver that through usually through metaphor and just word choice and sentence structure that gets the idea across in a way that is like really easily digestible where it's like you can laugh at it and not really understand all the layers of the joke but if you really wanted to look at it

you can get it from top to bottom, like exactly what I'm saying. So it's like I have this instinct for how it's going to come out and where it's going to go. And then in between that is just dissecting, analyzing, arranging, trial and error, scanning for different things. This is not like a process that you like, you weren't, obviously, you weren't given this. You'd like, you understood this over time of you doing it. Because like that whole process, it wasn't someone who was like, hey, this is how you'd make a joke. No, that's the part that I learned over time and got better at. like there's there's the things that are like your gifts that I'm given that I don't know where they came from and then there's honing those and so when it comes to comedy or anything else I do like I've gotten better at understanding how it's done so now I can replicate it like I have a formula for it I understand what goes into it where before you know I still have that talent and that gift of like seeing these certain things and having this this voice and creativity but might not be able to really uh

put it together and deliver it in a package that that is like it's best and most understandable delivery. But now it's like having done it for so long, I know how it's done. Like I can recreate it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, shit, based on that formula, you just see the thing, I don't know, I did recently, but I'm sure you've seen this happening on the internet. You had to if you've been on any sort of like fitness, TikTok or Instagram on the internet. And everyone started making their own versions of this like reaction to the comedy where there was girls there was girls on tic talks like reacting to people looking at them and seeing this obviously i made one where i was like i dumped water on my head and like it looks like i'm sweating the girls right there next to me like

she's filming a ticot and i'm trying not to look and it went it did really well um and i'll see these other versions of it because like that was happening where like this girl really tried to like make something that was kind of you know innocent into like this big deal because she would look like she was trying to get views or whatever, which obviously this does happen to women in general. Sometimes where guys are maybe a little bit overbearing, but it's like, you know, it's one of those spaces where, like,

it's probably going to happen because of the gym and obviously you've got to protect yourself in it. But like a joke like that, if you saw something like that, how could you make? I'm surprised you haven't made a joke about that. Yeah, I mean, I just haven't made a bro science video in a while. So that would be the one, to be honest.

Yeah. So how would I go about making a joke like that? So like, so let's use that. for example okay so here's the really important thing you're in a touchy subject where it's like there's two sides to look at this the women's side yes and this is all of why my stuff is successful and why i can make jokes at it you can't make anymore right because i understand how to look at it from a 360 view from both sides right the fact is like there is there is merit on either side you know from the women's perspective there's looking at somebody working out who's like you know

They're dressed in a way where you're like, oh, you're going to get looks, you're going to get glances. And then they're staring. There's making people uncomfortable. There is a clear line and a clear difference. And most women, like, understand that. They're like, I don't mind getting looked at, but staring at me, hovering, being creepy, is crossing the line.

For sure. And like, understanding that part of it is your first step into, like, really getting into this joke. The other part is, like, the people on the other end who, like, they want the attention, but then make a big deal about getting it. And it's just like, now you're like, look you you can't do you can't like have both sides of it it's like understand like what you're actually getting upset at like somebody just looking at you like you're in a gym you're in a

public place like a little glance here and there like you kind of want like if someone really wants that attention and then they get it and then they make it a big thing like what they wanted was even more attention from it for sure they wanted something to blow up into this thing or they wanted to like feel more just more I don't know validation from it and being like oh you were really fucking creeping on me what maybe they were just glancing at you right right like when you go to the gym like you like you kind of like when people look at your way right yeah especially when i got a pump right like but do you like when they fucking stare at you like they stare at me anyways dude

i don't get it's different like i'm a bad example you're like a you know an internet celebrity so this stare for different reasons but like if somebody's like creeping and staring at you for too long you're gonna be like oh what what is this person doing but you're also like a man and big and you probably feel safe right yeah yeah that's so there's all these things into it it's like what are we what are we looking at here now where are the jokes who am i making fun of is like really important because you have to understand like you can't make fun of women who feel unsafe because there is a key to it so you have to be like here are the the uh the um boundaries to that joke like this is not what i'm making fun of so if i say certain things that start to feel like that

you have to like ring it back in and be like this isn't the point of the joke and like head yourself from the joke being misinterpreted as like you are saying like it's women are overreacting to like anyone fucking making them feel uncomfortable and they do the same on the other side where it's like you can't just like alienate an entire side yeah or just yeah exactly or just be like this is okay and like any time a man looks your way it's like that he's he's the wrong guy like he's in the wrong for it so you need to think about that too and they're like how you get to the middle you make fun of both people you make fun of like the people that are doing the dream right you make fun of the creepy guys who like they are crossing the line they are wrong like

there's there is in both these things a clear right and wrong on both sides of it and you want to make fun of those things and most people like i think they they don't really want to see them but they know but it's my job in comedy to like bring them to that to get them to see a different point of view like if you're on this side of the argument or this side of the argument i'm going to point out why these side way on the end are both wrong and you're going to be like oh i'm seeing it from a different perspective now are you saying this is how we fix politics through comedy that's what it sounds like dude in a way it's just like yeah it's communicating an idea right like i know what i'm trying to say and i know how to get that idea across now if you give me some time to sit down and like really like

work through what the messages i want to i want to like joke about then i'll throw some jokes in there and then you're going to be like damn this is funny but i've also like now thought about something in a different way yeah yeah so you think i mean that's that's i feel like what comedy is is to create conversation around like kind of uncomfortable things like that's what it was like i feel like was originally created for pretty much yeah i guess like why do you think people have such a hard time now like just like i don't know like we were joking the other not the other day we were joking earlier today um about like we're at lunch some shit you couldn't say some jokes you couldn't say like that are more sensitive um why do you think it got to that

that way where it's like there's just we just know we can't say certain things I think it's because we've also evolved to realize that we shouldn't like there are certain things where it's like all right like this was okay back at a certain point because like it was just sort of the norm and now you're like all right I understand that like people and things and ideas have evolved where you're like okay some of these things might actually like be harmful in a certain way but like you don't mean it that way but it's kind of like a lot of things then get dragged down underneath it so it's like you've got to evolve with the times, but it doesn't mean you can't joke about nothing. You just have to understand what it is you're saying, right?

Like, if you're saying something and the joke is like, it is like harmful or hurtful to somebody and offensive in a way that's like not productive to your comedy or to that person, it's like what's the point? And it's a little more difficult now, but I said this before, I just feel like if you can't figure out how to make edgy jokes in this time, you're just not great at your job. like there's it's harder now but that's comedy that's evolving with it like you have to do that you can't just like ah man i can't say anything anymore because people don't find it funny it's like bro you're just describing not being funny man yeah like you got to try a little harder it does

suck like it sucks that you can't like something's like oh that was funny but like i kind of get why you can't you know it's it's it's just like but boo-hoo like you're gonna cry about it like now you're sounding soft i can't say jokes like yeah you can just do better just try a little harder and figure out like and I just believe like you can still say controversial stuff but know who you're making fun of like know what the message is and like really what the intent is behind it because I think a lot of people like they have some not great intent behind their jokes and that's where they get in hot water where you're like you're not saying anything like profound let me run a joke by you real quick last podcast ever I love your reaction was so

funny. That reminded me of some shit we would fucking film. Yeah, your funeral. Let's do it. You run a joke by you real quick. Dog, I would have been on a video for sure. Okay, hold on. Look, so seriously, I've been thinking about this. Okay. Okay. Jake, we talked about this the other day. Can't wait. Is this an acceptable joke? See, already, already you're in a good place because you're like, look, I'm unsure of where the boundaries are. So it's, you know, go ahead. Okay, so there was a few iterations of this, but I, we landed on this one. I thought this was the most acceptable, okay? So I just opened a new gym in L.A.

It's an Encino. Come by, check it out. And I was thinking it'd be really funny if I was like, hey, guys, I'm getting on my story and I go like, you know, I realized, I want to let all hot chicks in for free. Okay. Is that okay? Or can I say? And then do we, do we, so the iteration of this that got really bad was like, we were talking about judging the girls out of like their numbers. But like, are they a 10?

Are they at eight? You got to be an eight or above. That's when I was like, we're crossing the line. We're not doing that. That's wrong, right? But what if I... He said right with a question mark too. No, I'm wrong.

No, I know it's wrong. I know it's wrong. Right? We're going to have like people at the front of being like, nah, she's a seven. Get out of here. Yeah. That's fucked up.

But can I... So I was honestly debating this. I was like, this is really funny to me. Genuinely funny. If I just put on my story and I was like, you know what, I think for this whole month, I'm going to let hot girls in the gym for free. I think that's hilarious.

Okay. But I already know that I'm going to say something like that. People are going to be like, wow, bro, that's super fucked up. Like, I feel like I'm going to run into that. Well, yes. It's a bad idea. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. I guess like where, where's the joke? What's the joke? Yeah, you're right. The joke was because it's just to, it's just kind of to prod people to be mad. You're just being controversial. Yeah. And if that's what you want, go for it.

But then you're inviting all the next. that sound cool though a gym with just hot girls it's a club yeah that's a club it's a club yeah yeah it's a gym club club it's a there you go yeah so it's like win so now you so what you what you have now is an idea and a problem yeah you got to try to solve it and here like in here the yeah how do we make it a joke that's this would be like if you could figure this out live action the joke the joke in it is actually making fun of clubs that's the joke where it's like people places do this in real life and it's acceptable so the joke is like clubs do so that's that's where it's like you're making relations and connections and metaphors and it's like I'm no longer making

fun of ugly girls which is what you're doing if you say only hot girls that's why I said we're not exactly so that's where I said where's the joke in that the joke is on the ugly girls which is like not cool like it's just not and it's like that's really you can't make Jacob and told you it's not cool dude see and it's like I told you Jacob I told you Jacob but that's an example of people being like oh you can't say anything anymore it's like you're you're complaining that you're going to get a reaction for something you could say whatever the fuck you want you can't complain that people are going to get upset by it for sure go ahead say it but so so we make it into a joke related to the club right and there's still some like you know a dance you're going to have to do to like avoid

the joke's going to constantly be going to this direction of like it's going to be offending the wrong people and you got to reel it back in and remind yourself of what the joke really is the joke is on the clubs and people doing this in different settings where it's like socially acceptable so acceptable right and then all of a sudden you have people aren't mad at you for you know just judging the attractiveness of women I didn't want to do that I was right yeah yeah I was gonna say like listen if you if you if you if you think you're a hot chick to show up you know it wasn't right it was like it doesn't the what you intend and what you do are two different things of course right so like now it's like you have to make your intent super clear and

And that's what I was saying with comedy. It's like with things being like landmines everywhere, you have to know where they are. And it doesn't do you any good to complain about where they are. Like they're there. Deal with it. Like figure out how to make your comedy work. And so that joke can work if you are making an observation to something else, where it's like you're actually now speaking on something that is more positive, where you're like calling

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Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Zoo culture club. Yeah. I'll send you a bill for that one no dude real time that was sick in real time it was a joke by the way I would never

do something like that's so crazy I would never say that I was never gonna put that on my story yesterday you're like deleting deleting it on this story as we speak yeah holy shit I didn't have that in my drafts

what what the fuck me no dude don't never do that joke is all girls are hot that's another way you're doing it too like you show up and it's like everybody's beautiful you know what i mean like you're beautiful for this reason it's like you spin it on its head well that's what i was kind of saying was like you know if all the girls show up then it's like oh if they own their shit they own their shit yeah because i'm not going to be like you're not you're not i was never going to do that and that's what you'd have

to do like again like understanding where the pitfalls are know how to get to them before your audience does so if that's your joke at the end of the day like all hot girls get in for free and then you immediately have to follow it with showing the results that like everybody gets in and it's like everybody's beautiful type shit you know where it's basically all girls for free yeah yeah yeah and then you're gonna be guys like oh i'm gonna be guys for free shut up pussy let's see we just be mean to guys you see yeah man it's never ending yeah it's never ending yeah i can be mean to guys and it's like yeah that's good though fuck those comedy you dude what fun it's it's it's weird like there's a double standard and everything but it's like also just that's just what it is i guess

yeah man like i said you you can complain about it or you can just figure out to find harmony with it yeah yeah so club zoo um you guys want to come hot girls for free uh see i can say it in character you could you should yeah you should we can sound bite that all right yeah tell them so this is from the professor himself all right so bradley martin told me that he had this super sick idea very progressive uh all hot girls and we're talking nines and above i was gonna say eight but like that's a b that's a b we're going nines i'm an a student man okay all right all right uh you get in for free okay for for the for two months yeah and i'll be judging and uh you know we have to go on a date

um obviously and we have to have be in like a committed relationship on your side of course me i have i have plenty of other contestants to to field so like and then at the end of this but she's got to be loyal yes 100% dude come on okay that's obvious okay so she's got to be loyal yeah and me i'm a man oh it's also because you have a lot of i have to spread my seed it's what you know evolution got it evolution you've been watching andrew tape um i've been watching nature documentaries dude you ever seen nature yeah animals are dickheads bro animals everyone's like oh nature so hummus animals and animals it's true yeah one time i was watching tangent here okay i was watching a discovery channel people like we should be more like animals you're so

compassionate there was a pot of whales that were chasing down whales big ass whales right They were chasing down this mother whale, and they wanted to kill the baby so they could rape the mom. And I'm like, nature. Is that real? Yeah, dude. Fucking Discovery Channel. And the guys are taking a British action. They're going to kill the baby, and then they're going to, you know, basically like, you know, procreate with the mom.

And I'm like, I think I lost the plot with the character here. You know, it's just like, yeah. Anyway, so show up in zoo culture. It's going to be super weird. Whales and shit. We got whales? Dude, you know, it's really funny. Remember that one time we, this is, I don't know if you remember this, but I'll never forget this moment.

Like, I think I cried, cried, like literally in tears. We were at your house. We were watching triple X. We were watching Triplets. Yeah. Oh, bro. And the guy pulls out a rocket launcher. We were high.

Yeah. We were high as shit. We were high as fuck. Okay. This guy pulls out a rock and lodger And I swear to God I'm watching it I'm watching it

I'm like pause it I'm like that is a fucking He had a VCR A camcorder A camcorder like a VCR camcorder Like you record And it was like attached to like Some like plastic shit

I'll never forget that moment Because I swear I paused it We looked at this I was literally in tears The whole movie was hilarious Watching it through like That lens You were just like it was

Because that line he was like Oh he's gonna use a bazookies Not a bazooka heat secret whatever and then he pulls out of spray painted PVC pipe green spray painted green glued to a camcorder literally and it had it like the screen open like you know the whatever tracking system and you could see the play buttons i was like dude i had that camera i was crying i'll never forget that moment man what why did we decide to get super high and watch that movie uh we maybe we were i think we were shooting youtube blog

Some shit Hey you know Some fucking spaghetti at the wall And seeing what stuck Fuck man That was one of the funniest moments in my life Dude that shit was That whole movie was hilarious

It's weird if yeah When you watch it like not like It's an action movie But watch it like You're intent to laugh Yeah And bro there's so many I don't know why that one specifically

Vin Diesel or some shit It's triple X man Yeah What a beautiful movie But that was one of the funniest moments In my life Like no bullshit That was a good

That was a good one What about What do you remember From those videos What was your favorite? favorite video. The wine tasting one. Oh my god. That shit was so I see clips of that still was that I see clips on TikTok because people will rip my shit and put it all over yeah um how's that feel it's good no it's good but it's just they just put the content it's not so much steal it they just like

repurpose it yeah yeah I don't care they're posting it TikTok's like meant for that now yeah I know that was one of the honestly also just one of the funest days just yeah outside of even filming there was so it was so much fun like those girls are really there really like we were able to hit on them and like the whole character thing that shit was so funny there's that it was a lot of fun yeah the giraffe with the fucking tongue they're like saying the adjectives describing the wine that was we were fucking cracking up oh at the end because we were doing like if you haven't seen the video we were talking about how like douchebags with wine this is bros versus wine tasting yeah and so they like people always are like trying to sound so sophisticated just saying adjectives I'm like we got to

say adjectives that don't make any sense yo like just any adjective and we're like this this wine is very what's the shit we were saying bro bro do you still have that rustic yeah yeah do you still have that content yeah like raw content yeah because bro i remember we sat there we were dying well i upload the the outtakes and stuff and they're fucking hilarious is it still up there yeah the outtakes are so funny because you see us just like losing our shit constantly like it's so funny yeah that's that's that's why i think the content was so fun to film because it was like legit funny Like, that was all improv. So, like, bro science is scripted and then I add improv.

Bro's verse was like, come up with an idea, get in the situation, and then just wing it. I was just in character for the entire time. Yeah, wing it. Yeah. That was fun, man. It was good time. Oh, that, yeah, okay, the, okay, I remember the Pokemon Go one was really fun. Pokemon Go was fun, too.

And then the Ninja Warrior was fun. The Pokemon Go was probably one of my funness because we drove around on those fucking buggies. The motorized coolers, yeah. Oh, my God. That was a good one. The drinking games on was fun. Yeah. That was one of the earlier ones.

right the Pokemon Go is one of the earlier ones drinking games was like earlier for like the relaunch of it you know what's funny the one of the funniest things about all this content when I look back at it um the bro's verse stuff and just the Dom is any stuff with me in general it's funny because people now today would have seen obviously before he got ripped off of YouTube but Steve will do it um it's the same dynamic it was the same dynamic of like Dom was Steve and I was I yeah right and then it's just so funny how like for some reason that kind of character for me always just seemed to hit well like why do you think i was always the guy that got made fun of here's why it worked for bro's verse right and like this goes back to like understanding who you're making fun of

like the dynamic between dom and you was always this like it's it's it started from that video of gym nemesis like dom yeah thinks he's bigger than you and it's because he's so insecure that like he he needs to just like belittle you as a person to like you know that to just feel bigger and like that's most people it's like bullies right right and so it worked with you as like a big person to be the like the punching bag for somebody like dom where if you were my size smaller or whatever and this is not me admitting to being smaller than you this is just in theory oh yeah okay can't break the character okay but then it would just be don would just be an asshole like just a dickhead to somebody who like doesn't who can't take it and there's no like understanding as

to why like if it was just somebody else like I'd just be a prick and it's like you can't there's nothing endearing about that like seeing Dom think he's bigger than you all the time and like constantly having to like outflex you and just like be a dick and it's because you were making fun of people who act like that in real life like he's to fluff themselves up and it's like that's why it worked because it's just like this odd pairing where you know the bully is the smaller one yeah and that's why that works and that's why it helps but like your character of just being very just like in like it's almost like why are you here and like why are you putting up with it and you're just like yeah okay I just go along with it

and it's just like fucking work bro it was so funny man yeah comedy I've always think I've always had that fucking I don't know dude whatever took a lot of shit over the years man took a lot of bullying over you did you did take a lot of bullying it's great how did that how did that affect you I think people got too used to trying to bully me man I'm sorry about that yeah it's okay definitely had a hand in that it's okay I mean, dude, I know what it is. I mean, the whole time I've always known it was a joke. I think it was more funny with the Steve stuff

because the Steve stuff, there was less, I feel like there was less of a line of a joke, became almost more real. Yeah, sometimes I don't know what was a joke. Exactly, exactly. Like, I think there are actually people who think I'm a drug dealer or sold drugs or was a drug dealer.

Like, I think there's probably people who really believe that. And that's, I didn't want that to ever be the case with Bro's verse, which is like, the joke is clear that Dom is bigger than Brad and it's like we know that's a joke yeah like and I wanted to be like what we're joking about is just kind of like we know it's there's a line yeah yeah definitely I mean dude the internet in general has just been obviously a massive gift for me it's just it's I think the hardest learning point for me is like just the I don't know my my way to navigate through it all and like

honestly just I don't know I think I spent so much time focused on work and business and content and like producing and like showing up and showing up that like i i didn't like until you know the last year of my life or the last two years of my life started showing up for myself more and that's the thing that i really like struggled with like and my ability to like fully show up for myself how i should be so that i can like just genuinely be happy outside of all this shit right having all this shit is cool and having all the shit is fun but i i think i struggled for a long time with just like genuine happiness in like relation to it all like obviously from the outside looking in and it could see like oh this guy has all this shit but like i i spent

so much time in my life like you were talking about your your 20s like literally my entire 20s i say it's from 23 to on i was like trying to be on the internet and trying to like succeed on the internet and then trying to make content and you're trying to like make all this stuff essentially for other people to get something from obviously there's so much that comes back to me but it was always like i always knew because of the fickleness in it and the fragilness of it you always had to keep going and I spent so much time going forward and going forward that like I you know I had way less time in my own personal life to like look and be like what's happening here and why did I do this and why am I in this situation and how did I find myself here and I've been doing a lot more of that now lately which is why like I started this pot saying like you know I'm sorry for the way that this was with me and you because it was it was that was another version of something where I was like have to go forward have to do this have to keep doing that because if I don't I lose it all you know that's why I asked you that question earlier but I've definitely come to a point in my life now where I'm just like, you know, often, often by force, I guess, I feel like I learned lessons that, you know, I should have learned or I could have learned.

It just wasn't in my time to do it at the right time. Yeah. When I really wish it could have happened. Because now I find myself in situations just older being like, man, I wish I did this. I wish I said that. But it's like, okay. Now I know what am I going to do different moving forward? Yeah.

I guess to say all that, I got a question for you in regard to that in your personal life stuff have you know you don't have to give crazy detail or anything but has has the internet and being on the internet um has it taught you anything significant about like how you show up in relationships friendships friendships business like has it taught you anything that you didn't already know or i don't know i think i've always had a good balance with it all like remember we had this talk a little bit ago because like i'd seen that in you where it's like I know, like, you are so focused on what you feel you need to do for, like, self-preservation that sometimes you don't see, like, what you're doing on the way there.

Yeah. And, like, I was like, you're going to hit this point where you're like, my personal life has been neglected. My relationships have maybe been damaged or also neglected. And then you're going to find this moment of, like, shit, like, what's it all worth if I have all these things, but I don't have these things that are important to me? Yeah. And, like, there's always a. balance like sometimes I'm a little bit too like in the moment of like this is what um what I feel

I want to do what makes me happy and it kind of puts me in this cycle maybe of like not doing enough in the the career side to like get me to that next level of comfort like you got to sacrifice one thing for the other in some respects but I've always known that like how I make my money is more important to me than how much I make and so like whatever it is I'm doing along the way like how much success or fame or money I make like I want to make sure I'm enjoying what I'm doing and I'm feeling fulfilled because like I started this not this is before the idea of internet fame was like really a thing like I started being like I want to do this like create comedy to all this stuff to live life how I want to live it to spend my days doing what I want to do

and that looks different for me all the time but like it usually means like enjoying time with friends and like going out adventures and like creating stuff and sharing things on passionate about. So I've always kept that in mind with what I do. And my struggle is sometimes needing to step a little bit away from that to put the focus on things where it's like, I'm going to do some things I don't want to do to get to the next place where it's going to make all these things better. So it's sort of like the reverse of what you do. And I think like we're always trying to seek that balance. And like it's, it's, you know, really cool to hear you know the journey and where you've landed at and like proud of you for realizing those things

because like you know obviously i'm glad you know our friendship is kind of you know back here talking about bullshit and i think that's really important like the youtube stuff man and the internet and the success it's like i love it for what it has afforded me to do with my life and the connections i've made and the people so it's i've always just kept that in mind i think like i don't i don't see beyond that I don't see like this thing, this giant like reach I have. It's just like, I'm just making my stuff and people like it and I just connect with people. Yeah. And that's just always been like my main focus of just like connection and enjoyment.

And it's helped me kind of like stay grounded, I think. So I think in a way it just helps me like it resolidified that priority in my life. Like the bigger I got and the more success I had, I never lost that. So I was like, yeah, that's really what is important to me. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I fucking get it. I mean, that's the thing.

It's not as if, like, I've never thought that all the stuff, I mean, I've known that the stuff that's really important is just everything outside of that. I guess I just, I always had this, at least when it started to get bigger, I had this, like, sense that I have to keep going no matter what because then, you know, there was like more people who started to rely on me and more people who started to like,

you know, like for income and all this kind of shit that I was like, damn, I have this, like, actual sense of like, I need to make sure the shit goes forward because it's not just me, it's a lot of people now yeah and uh you know i just sometimes like you said the balancing active at all is i mean i guess there's no exact right way to do this but it is just about learning and trying to be able to take inventory enough along the way to go okay well like am i happy ultimately in these moments because if i'm not eventually like this shit's gonna crash and burn

if i can't be happy in it yeah like also all you really have is this very moment like this time like we're trying to get somewhere and yeah it's it's important to have your goals and where you want to go but like you got to enjoy it along the way too you got to make sure that like it's all worth something because like you might never get there like whether it's like you know you don't survive until there or like your business doesn't or it goes a different direction like you know you want to I just feel like personally I want to make sure I'm enjoying the journey along with it and still like being responsible and you know having the foresight to move forward but yeah you know I just want to want to make sure I'm enjoying every minute of it I can I just want to have fun

Did you, did you like, was there any times in your journey or to this point where you, like, lost more sight of that? Like, you had to, like, bring yourself back to be like, okay, what's actually going on? What really matters? Like, had you ever... Yeah. When I was doing NARPM, it's when it started, it was a huge hit, right? And it was great for me to see the people, like, really love something outside of bro science. And then 2016, adpocalypse, YouTube algorithm changed everything.

And overnight we were getting a channel, my channel. like 50,000 subs and we were getting like 250,000 views of video overnight 30,000 views. Yeah, I remember what the fuck is this about? Then you have to try to like keep up with the algorithm and we're like, oh, I just got to make a video every week. And I was spending a lot of money, putting a lot of strain on my friendships, like with Zach and my relationships just to like really push this thing off the ground because it meant so much to me. And looking back, all I ended up doing, like I created great stuff and I love all the things we did. But if I had the foresight to know that we were never going to beat the algorithm, I would have just, like, eased up and done it

in a way that's like, let's just enjoy this. Let's just let it last and like not make it so important because that to me was like my escape, my way out, my, like, my, the new thing. And it meant so much that like I was like not being a great friend to Zach. We were budding heads. I was just like so uptight and like, you know, we were working together and it was like we were enjoying it. But we were just under so much stress to get these things produced at like TV quality level under like no financing just all of my money and there was a moment where I had to like step back and be like this as fun as this is and important as it is I lost what was why I started it was like the pure enjoyment and like self discovery of it because I just needed it to be

successful and now revisiting it like we are trying to do it again but we want to make it work where it's like let's not lose the plot here of this is for like the whole point of that show is like how can you get the most out of life how can you enjoy like every last bit of it and like really do the things that scare you and in and I want to like get get back to that and there was a time when it was so important to me that like I lost sight of that very thing that started it you know it's cool hearing you talk about like that for me that's the podcast this for me is like the thing that I just love doing because I genuinely like I'm trying to understand people because like I'm trying to fucking understand myself still yeah and I'm so trying to learn I'm so

trying to grow I think having conversations with people about anything and whatever's important and whatever they've accomplished and it's just such a cool thing for me and that's why I love this so much and that's why it's so easy and seamless for me like I don't fucking there's no script there's no anything I just I know enough about you to ask the kind of questions that I'm just really curious and and obviously like we've had enough experience and time together for me to to create these sort of questions just based on what I'm interested in in you and what you've done and how you move through the world and you know your experiences and I'm just grateful that I have this platform to do this on and I hope you do really pursue that because I know how much that meant

to you and I remember that I remember that those moments specifically on YouTube and how it's just like it just the YouTube legit pulled the rug under everyone was like yeah this is it was like it was like it went from content that could be like I remember that too for me where I was like I remember it went from like same similar thing 200 300000 to like a hundred and I was like wait the next day like everyone was just like no and then the next day the same thing the next day the same thing I was like it never came back yeah it was a certain content impossible to produce yeah and then it favored the whole like you know family friendly and then family channels were blowing up and all this like remember that's when awesome McBroom and all this shit blew up and it's just like damn like it's

no matter what you put into it, because you were putting your heart and soul into that, that, the car stuff. I remember that. I remember we filmed the video. Yeah. One of the, honestly, one of the,

yeah, that was fun. That was crazy. One of the craziest. I just can't even talk. That was so, oh my God. That's one of the,

top, one of the top, yeah, anyways, but I can't even share this story. It's so, maybe someday in the fucking, you know,

know on the deathbed or something like that but bro that was really funny man i'll never forget you just i'm not going to tell the story but i just going to say my reaction i remember i remember turning and and i was just like you uh you like stood up and i was like oh he's good and then i turned and i why i tried to walk the other way because i was like i didn't know how to react to this situation i was so like i'm sorry i have no context here but i was so like i was so like like weirdly like it wasn't funny but i had no other reaction yeah we have it on tape and you were like holding back laughter yeah i didn't know how to react dude i was so awkwardly like holy shit oh my god i'll never forget that i had to walk away yeah it was like because i'm sorry

that was wow one of the funniest moments ever yeah an rpm man what a what a shit show yeah i'm i'm fuck yeah it's racing my g wagon but yeah man it is i i i knew how i much that meant to you and it was just a crazy time to see how like the platform itself was just like nah good luck guys yeah um and that sucked i i i don't know i because youtube has changed so much over the years like and i i don't know i feel like youtube like just at time just favors certain creators almost it seems like and then and then it doesn't or it does and it's it's just a weird space amen a super weird space um have you ever seen yourself going outside of it or doing other content anywhere else? I mean, the whole point of what I was doing was to like make a TV show in

Hollywood and all this. And like that was why I never saw YouTube as a home. It was like a stepping stone to get somewhere else. And then, you know, the whole gym pilot with the Rocks production company, they like gutted it. And I was like, oh, maybe this isn't the place for me. I talked about that a few times on podcast. Yeah. And I was just like, you know what? Like I've been so focused on this goal of like get away from YouTube, get away from the internet, go to Hollywood, achieve my big dream. and like there's still part of me that like feels like I want to make something that big and grand the other part of me is like damn I've had I have a good here like I create what I want to create yeah I answer to nobody but myself and like yeah it comes with the stress and like

sometimes I feel like there's so much potential in what I do that it just has been reached but I'm like you know what it's it's always leading me somewhere new like the clothing brand like that's yeah I would have never thought this is where I was going to end up and I absolutely love it it takes everything I love about all the things I do rolling into one thing that like I'm still in the driver's seat for and that like I am the one monetizing you know no one's cutting me a check where it's like you know big fat Hollywood checks would be nice but yeah you know it's still you got to answer to somebody and we did that for a moment and it was just like this sucks yeah you would have hated your fucking life yeah bro I'm like I'm glad it didn't

work out I'm glad I but at that time man shit was falling apart yeah you were crushed huh yeah it was a 2017 was a very bad year for me yeah as I just back to rebuild and but yeah but that's what this is man that's what all this is in life is like it's just recognizing where you're at where you want to go and being able to like deal with the shit you've been through and like trying to make it better moving forward that's like I just keep coming to that realization no matter what like whether it be like relationship stuff business stuff whatever it's just like can it become better though and are you willing to do the work it's all it comes down to so I'm going to work man yeah straight up I like it forever

let's go yeah but I appreciate you coming on it's a blessing it's an honor someone that I made content with a year. Someone who, you know, I did a pod with Kyle. I gave him love, obviously, because, you know, he's been such a big part of, like, you know, my career, my business as well. But you have been a person like that for me who's who had a massive part in YouTube, my presence on YouTube and all the content that we made all over the years. So I want to make sure people know that as well that I really appreciate you being that.

And being a real friend. And I know we had our moments, but I appreciate, you know, you being here and being willing to, like, do this and conversate. and talk about it and everything man i think you're a great person and you deserve all the success that you have thanks man it needs a lot i'm really happy we got to do this and like we needed it yeah we did man and we we've done some awesome shit over the years and yeah you know this is cool it feels good yeah because i'll never forget yeah you deserve it you i'll never forget uh i know what videos it was the first videos and i think with barbell brigade yeah and uh that was like that was i don't

know that was that was like not to be because i had done a bunch of shit leading up to that point but that's when like shit starts to kind of take a different life you know and it's it started to like the gym nemesis video yeah this is literally it yeah gym nemesis so you guys want to check out some of the content uh the bros of our channel still up there's still content there um definitely check out the wine tour outtakes yeah yeah i'm gonna go watch that now i'm not even kidding that was the end of that video we're sitting on that brown table right yeah yeah yeah yeah and we were like going like this with the wine yeah yeah yeah that was one of the funniest things in life man so I've had some of the best laughs in the world with you, man.

I appreciate you. I'm glad that you came on the show. Where can they find you and find all your stuff and support you? Yeah, so BroScience, my main YouTube channel. I've got my other channel with an RPM. It's just my name, Mike Tornibney, Benny, Domazetti, Instagram, Mike Tornabini, Instagram. I got a lot of personalities.

I've got to juggle here. And then my main focus right now is ShellCorp, my new clothing brand. So the ShellCorp.com. Yeah, we're coming out with different drops. It's like dresswear meet streetwear. Yeah. trying to get people that's a vibe it's dope man it's unique as fuck that's for sure i love it man some people who have your style off but you know that's another conversation for another day um

subscribe to the channel uh turn the post notifications on we're on itunes i think we're on spotify yes we're on spotify um but yeah if you want to just listen on audio audio only go check it out i love you guys appreciate all support we're out of here i think mike has to go watch the super bowl new videos every week yeah no that's not that all yeah it's no no new videos are you done no well what's this what's the deal with that for real actually uh i i'm gonna make a few more uh okay but yeah i because you can't just be done like you have to do a like a i don't know like i don't know what what the plan is but like i am stepping away from making you know i know but like what i'm saying is that's this is like we got to make sure this stays in the pot is

at some point if you truly decide to stop being dumb yeah what do i do you have to do some sort of funeral. Yeah, I'm not kidding. No, I know. I'll be there. Yeah, I'll do the eulogy, dog. I have to be there. Well, I know. I got that video will go fucking hard. I was actually thinking about making it a video, uh, like a vlog video just titled, uh, faking my death to see who cares. Yo. Yo, no, I'm not kidding though. Dom is any, like if you stop him, he has to die. He's got to, yeah, he's got to have a funeral. Yes. I've thought about it. would be hilarious yeah that is would be one of the funniest videos ever yeah but it's like it's so funny because it'd be so dumb to be like he he's got like a fake body in the thing and

and he's outside like and the funeral to give him compliments and shit he's a pretty good guy I wanted to hear what they say about me yeah exactly like be disguised as a guy dog I swear to god I've been thinking about this yeah see that's that's why we always make good content though because this is how bros first started yes I would do more Rose verse then fuck dude I'll do it bring it back one time I'm just saying like really mean this I really mean this if Dom stops making content he has to have a few gotta have a funeral yeah otherwise it's like you did it you can't just stop it'd be really weird like you you'd really miss out on like such a cool like a cool moment to really see myself die

fuck yeah yeah dude honestly anyways subscribe to the channel maybe maybe a bro's verse who knows we'll see but that is that's that's that's debby timeless dude Let's get out of here.