RAWTALK - The Hunter Biden Interview

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

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I love you guys. It's getting this podcast with Hunter. I thought I wasn't doing political podcasts for a while. Don't do political then. Let's do, let's do anything. No, I got to do a little. Otherwise, it's going to be like, yo, what are you doing?

Politics. It's like, we got to. But we won't get right into it. Bro. Why did you decide to start doing podcasts? All right. So the reason that I decided to start to, like, speak for myself, was that for seven years,

everybody else got to tell my story. And it was bullshit. But that was time ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm saying for since basically 2019, when, uh,

or let's start 2020, for real, right before the election, when the quote unquote laptop drop. Okay. Since then, I literally had to keep my mouth shut. I had to keep my mouth shut.

Just by virtue of this is that then the Trump administration, uh, sick the DOJ on me and, and put me under investigation. And anybody that's smart keeps their mouth shut during that period of time. And also, it wasn't, like, it wasn't my position to, like, be out front

and be even a further distraction and not be able to coordinate with the administration. That didn't work there. I didn't have any, I didn't have any say in anything. So I kept my mouth shut. But what they did is, is that in the attempt to totally annihilate me and dehumanize me,

for, by the way, none of it about me. They don't give a shit about me. It was all about power. It was all about to embarrass my father and to embarrass the administration. It was to win political points, and it didn't have anything to do with me. But what they did is, is they conflated this idea that, you know, because I was so open about the fact that I was a crack addict, and then you could attach pictures to it,

is that they conflated the idea that I was a continuing issue and a continuing, you know, like one-man crime spree over the four years my dad was there. Long story short, that all ends. And a little over a year ago, I decided to do one podcast because I really like him, Andrew Callahan. And I think he's really, really smart. And I think that he has his finger on the pulse of a whole different sector of people that people like me rarely talk to.

And I did that. And I was really happy with it. And then I did Sean Ryan. And I did Sean Ryan for the same reason. Because a whole different audience of people that were really skeptical about me. but I knew Sean to be somebody because I listened to him, and he said horrible things about my dad. You know what I mean?

He said things about me, but I listened to him, and I realized that he was a really good listener. And I did that, and it went really well, and for me, for the purposes of it. And what I got to talk about more than anything was about the consequences of addiction and the fact that 50 million Americans on any given day

suffer from addiction, and varying degrees, but suffer from addiction. And if there's one thing that I feel like I'm an expert on, it's recovery. I've been sober through all of that, clean and sober, for over seven years now. And all I know is that if they built this platform for me, I was going to use it. And talk to those people. And by the way, it doesn't matter if you voted from Trump three times.

It doesn't matter if you're MAGA. It doesn't matter if you're... I don't care who the fuck you are. Is that I can connect with you on that level. because I don't know anybody that doesn't have somebody in their life, if it's not them themselves, that has suffered from addiction and that has created the chaos inside of a family unit or inside of a close-knit friend group

where you have been completely impacted by what addiction does to families and to individuals. And so I get to talk to those people, and for one reason is this, is simply by me sitting in this chair and talking about my recovery and my ongoing pursuit of it

and how it's always ongoing is that you're not alone. I get to tell my story. And that's one of the things that saved my life is the realization that it wasn't alone in it. You know, we're all connected by that pain in one way or another, whether trauma or addiction, you know, grief, all of that.

You know, I always say to everybody, He's like, you know, I've had to live it out in public and people feel like, oh, man, you lost your brother, you lost your mom, you lost your sister. I don't know anybody hasn't lost a brother, a mom, a sister, you know, the dad that has cancer, a brother that is going through his own problems with, you know, fentanyl or whatever it may be. Everybody's connected by that. Yeah. So that's why I've been talking. When did it, when did addiction start for you? Well, it's a really great question.

And I think it's one of the, the, um, it's a. one of the hardest ones for an addict to answer. I don't know if it's genetics. I think genetics play a role in it. I don't know if it, I do know also that there's a, that addiction gets fueled by this physiological connection that you could probably talk to more, more, in a more educated way than even I can. And I don't know whether it's just this kind of habit forming thing that you end up doing. I think it's a combination of all of those things. But what I do know this, is that the first time I ever took a drink is that I felt whole for the first time of my life. I felt that all of those anxieties, all the angst, all the fear that dictated my life. Like,

it dictates a lot of people's lives, not that I'm any different, but that, that seemed debilitating to me. As trivial as not being able to ask the girl to dance, you know, and as significant as feeling like a fraud or feeling alone in a crowd. And it solved those problems. And, you know, I always say, you know, the true answer for anybody that's an alcoholic and addict, I don't, I don't distinguish between the two is, you know, why do you drink? Well, because it works. At first, it works. At first, it feels, it makes you feel almost transcendent. At first, it makes you feel like none of those problems exist. Yeah, well, the lowering the to see you're like less pointed.

Yeah. You're just like, oh, it's okay. Yeah, until it doesn't, right? Until it becomes not, until it becomes your prison. And for me, it became my prison. And, you know, it was gradual. You know, I was really, really successful. You know what I mean?

I went to Georgetown. I went after Georgetown, I did a thing called the Jesuit Volunteer Corps. It was like domestic peace corps. And then I went to law school. It graduated from Yale Law School. I had a, you know, I was senior executive vice president of a major bank, started my own law firm.

I was on dozens of different boards. I built a really successful career and a family. And, you know, three daughters that I adore and love me that are in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s, I have a grandson. You know, I built all that. And part of that time, I was, you know, I was still an alcoholic.

The crack addiction didn't start until like around 2000, like 16, 17. How did you get introduced to that? It was just such a unique, yeah so like dude like no thing about i i i i i say it and i and i and i don't say it for hyperbole i like this thing happened it's too long to go into um uh and i was i was struggling to say sober and um and i and i and i wasn't getting my way about something i was like okay and i knew where to go and i and i and i chose to do the single most dangerous self-destructive thing I could. I knew someone that would sell me crack. And I went and I bought it.

And I did it. And you know what? It did. It like it, I didn't have a problem in the world in that, you know, in that. Yeah. And and then and then I had every problem in the world. Yeah. And then it's just number one chasing that, chasing that that high, uh, which is, uh, you know, in like insane. And at the same time hiding from everyone and yeah like a double life any responsibility and it just got worse and worse and worse and worse and more like i mean like where ultimately at the end of the day there was no functioning outside of either finding finding the drug smoking the drug recovering from smoking the drug i mean there there was no i mean it was just a full-time job and it was it was awful it was literally god awful i mean it gives me the chills the uh the the the people places and things

uh that it um that that that are incorporated in in that and i'd like every drug i don't know there's people listening to this right now no you know exactly what i'm talking about yeah yeah why don't you just go to the gym yeah man that's a better addiction by the way then you get other problems where it's never good enough no i'm telling you that's exactly right why don't you just go get your endorphs from the gym. And I tell that to people in recovery all the time, particularly in early recovery, is you got to find purpose, not a purpose like with a big P, like you got to find God and you like the purpose of your life, which has to transcend all things. I think that that's like a, that's like a bridge too far for so many people,

particularly in early recovery. You got to find purpose with a small P. Like for me, at this time around, it became painting. Like that mental focus and physical activity that that engages me when I'm painting is everything to me. But at the same time, it could be yoga. It could be lifting weights. It could be running marathons. It could be, you know, it could be gardening. Whatever it is.

The purpose in the day to day. Purpose in the day to day in which you're engaged in something that takes you out of your obsessive thinking about, you know, the past and the future. Yeah. And just allows you to focus on the moment. And for, by the way, and, you know, I stayed sober for seven years, and between 2003 and 2010.

And a lot of it was that, you know, I became obsessive about the gym. And I wish I was a little bit. You may have to get me back on track. What was the timeline, like, with the whole laptop thing. And, you know, everyone's on the internet and they're like, I mean, I remember it was just like you were in the news, like, every channel, every day for like, it felt like months. Yeah.

What was the timeline? Was it like you were still doing crack and then you, then they found out? No. So I got, I got clean and sober of June of 2019. And then the laptop didn't come out until October of 2020. Like the middle of October of 2020.

They, they held. And it wasn't a laptop. And when I say to people all the time, and they go, oh, you're admitting that there was a laptop. And I would, blah, blah, what a bunch, total bullshit. Just go on the internet. that right now, and you can see, there's like 62, and I don't know, terabytes from gigabytes,

like seven terabytes of digital information. It's 20 years of my digital footprint, everything, every email, every photo, every photo that was deleted, every voicemail that I ever had, every text messages. It comes from multiple devices over multiple years. They hacked everything. They got into my iCloud. They got into every single corner of my digital life, and they dumped it all on the internet. And what happened was, is that, I was already clean and sober, but if you show a picture of someone in a motel room, smoking crack, you know, with women every, you know, every other day in the New York Post, yeah.

People conflate whether or not, and you don't get to go out and say, no, no, no, I'm clean and sober. Like, no, I saw you at the, you know, I saw you at the Fourth of July celebration at the White House, and you look really sweaty and, you know, like twitchy. I'm like, 106 degrees with 100% humidity and, you know, 200 people on a balcony. What the fuck are you talking about? But it doesn't matter. I'm not here to, look, man, at the end of the day is the other thing, is you got to let go of other people's judgment about all of this.

And the realization that the only thing that matters is the people that you are yourself, number one, and the people that you love and that you want to respect you. That's all that matters. And so, like, this whole thing isn't a redemption tour. There's no such thing as outward redemption. There's only inward redemption. And for me, that's about doing the next right thing, you know. And that's what I've tried to do.

And it's incredibly imperfectly, you know? I mean, but it begins with, like, number one is, like, how I treat my wife. You know what I mean? How I treat the person that is most important to me. How I treat my, you know, my family, you know, how. I treat the people that I choose to, like, interact with, like you. Yeah. And that was part of it, too.

That's why I talked to Tucker. That's why I talk to Candace Owens. That's why I talk to people because I want to take things on face value here for myself and try to find, like, a mutual, you know, understanding, at least something that we can agree on. Yeah. Because I think everybody's just so quick to think, oh, man, you know, you should be tried for treason because you believe X, Y, or Z, or you must be a complete and utter.

moron because you believe in this conspiracy theory. Are you much, and like, I don't know, that's not my experience in my life. It's not an experience in the, the wide array of opinions of, of my own family and my own friends. Like I said everybody. I'd say at least, you know,

way more than half of my friends throughout my entire, you know, you know, a young adult life. We're Republicans. Like, real Republicans, but they, like, but I love them. So, so I kind of want to get into that a little bit because we're talking about, I mean, you were technically used as like

political sort of warfare as far as right and wrong. Yeah. Obviously, you hold some viewpoints politically. I saw you on Tucker Carlson saying that you think one of the greatest threats to America is specifically Donald Trump. Yeah. So my question to that is like based on what you just said about the fact that, you know, obviously there's personal battles that people got to worry about Yeah. But don't you think that in saying things like that, whether, and I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, but in saying things like that, you're playing into the sort of narratives of left, first, right? Yeah.

Well, look, man, I think politics matter. You know what I mean? I think everybody kind of says, oh, the politician in politics. I said, well, if you don't care about politics, let me just tell you something. Politics cares about you. Those people that we choose to elect and to pass laws and govern our lives are consequential. to us. So get involved. And as it relates to Donald Trump is this, man, is that I don't think that he has any socially redeeming value. That doesn't mean I think that people that support him don't have

any social redeeming. I fully, by the way, I fully get why people voted for Donald Trump. 100%. I think it's an incredibly rational decision on their part. And what they said is the system's broken. So we want somebody that's going to totally break it. we want somebody that we're not looking for somebody to come in there and like that he has the answer to all the problems but we do know this is that he hates the people that we i have identified as the problem and hold say whatever the comes to his mind and we like that too and and so i get it and i think that he had an in amazing opportunity to totally transform this country in a really positive way and i and i and i objectively think that he has not done taking that opportunity. I objectively think that he has pursued because he believes it's his right, his own interest. It's about Donald Trump first. And let me give you an example. Yeah. Look, man, is that it's a great idea probably to build

ballroom. It is, you know, that it's true, is that the White House could use a large event space connected to it. And it probably could use an underground, you know, a bunker that is updated to, you know, beyond the, you know, Eisenhower-eer standards of, you know, what could happen. That's probably all true. Yeah. But you know what? It's not his house. He doesn't own it. And so there's an entire process to go through, of which he could have chosen to go through. And it may have taken a little bit more time, but you know what? These things are necessary. And the reason that they're necessary is so that we're not we don't ever in a situation where a president gets to act like a king and instead he chose to make a statement that he can do whatever the

he wants so he before anybody could do anything about it brought in wrecking balls and literally tore down the east wing of the white house again like Truman rebuilt the white house but you know what he did he went through the historical society he moved over into the the building across the street and he completely re-thed the White House because it needed to be redone. Okay? But he went through the legal process to have it done. And what I'm saying with Trump is that

that's all I'm asking for. Like, for instance, think about the Epstein files. All of the shit. I don't want to get into the Epstein files. Well, I'm going to. Yeah. Okay. But what the fuck, man? What the fuck? And here's the other thing. Everybody come out to me.

Well, your dad didn't release the Epstein files and he was up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know why? Because my dad didn't have anything to do with the Department of Justice. If you think that he had any control over the Department of Justice, then how do you reckon that I got convicted of six felonies and six different charges in two different courts, one in Delaware and one in Los Angeles, by his Justice Department and had to spend millions of dollars to defend myself

to end up only getting convicted? He didn't involve himself in that. And because, you know why? Because no president before him except Richard Nixon did. And Richard Nixon, when involved himself, ended up having to resign before he was going to get impeached. That's why. And so when...

So he had to resign before he was going to get impeached because he was going to involve himself in the Epstein file? No, no, no. I'm talking to Nixon. I'm saying Nixon is the only other person to have done that. And Nixon was trying... To have done what specifically? And I'm saying Nixon is the only other person

to try to reach in to control the justice. Department to try to directly the Justice Department on his own behalf. Yeah. To say, we're not going to release the Watergate tapes. And he went in. It was called the Friday Night Massacre where he tried to fire Archibald Cox and the entire senior leadership of the Justice Department. And the three Republican senior U.S. senators came to the White House and said,

you know, he, because he did it, he tried to do it. And they came over and said, it's time for you to resign or else we are all going to vote impeach you. Right. And so that's the thing that I'm saying is that, look, I don't know. I don't know. All I know is that Donald Trump's name is mentioned in the Epstein files more times than any other individual name other than Jeffrey Epstein.

And I reserve a judgment about whether he knew this, that, or other thing, or was culpable in any way. But we deserve it. We deserve to know the truth about that. And you still, they keep saying, they released three million files. They didn't release another three million. I believe, yeah,

it was completely handled terribly. I'm not disagreeing. I think the point that I'm trying to get to, though, is that we and you yourself, and I think a lot of people who speak on podcasts or speak or political pundits or anyone who's doing anything work in this space, I fully believe whether it's like, I mean, CNN, anything, it's very clear that there is a goal to,

not really change or fix anything. And what I mean by that is this, whether it's Joe Biden, your father, or it's Donald Trump, you know, we tend to have these conversations about these people specifically. I don't think it's that simple at all. And so let me bring it back to COVID, right?

Can I, you go to your point, but just so far, I 100% agree exactly with what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying when we have these conversations about these individuals as like, you know, heads of state, obviously the president's a very important role.

There are layers far deeper that I'm much more interested in that have been active. And what I mean by that is the pharmaceutical industry, the military industrial complex, now this new AI stuff, right? Yeah. There are layers that are much more that I would consider the real movers of what's actually happening in our country. Yeah. right because those are the layers that are

lobbying, paying the money, paying the politicians, say this, say that, move this in this direction, move this in that direction. And so when we have these conversations about like Donald Trump's ballroom and in my opinion, those are all things for people to argue about. So no one ever goes to the source of the problem, which is something that has been existent under Biden, under every precedent,

that no one ever really changes. And that people use left and right as a way to virtue, signal their own beliefs in a direction that, you know, rallies an audience to go, I like that guy because he aligns with me on these things that are like outward. But there's a lot of things on the back that have been existent, your father's term, everyone before him. And we've been marching in sort of like the same direction. And so I'm not at all trying to say like you're wrong in what you're saying because yeah, they're obviously like we could talk all day about details that people are doing with their power. Yeah. But it's deeper than that.

And so when people don't go there, I immediately I go, I don't believe this person. I will go there all day with you. You're 100% right. The Uniparty is the problem with D.C., the problem with D.C., the problem with this country. Who's the Uniparty? I think the Unicarty is like all of the people that you just named that have one thing in mind, and it's money. Power control. way in which they use money to be able to control power.

And 100%, whether it's the pharmaceutical industry, whether it's the social media industry, whether it's AI now, whether it's the military industrial complex, all of them. They run the world. They run this country. 100%. And it has only grown worse and harder and harder to try to stop it.

And part of the reason is the way that the system has been set up. And the system is the way that it is, is because they've paid money to make certain that it is the way that it is. Right. Let me give you an example, okay, of one thing. It's like, I can't imagine there's an American out there that would disagree with me on this, okay? Is it Facebook, meta, whistleblower came forward. I always forget her name, and I wish I did, because it was a really heroic thing that she did.

She came forward, I think it was in 2023, and bought these thousands and thousands of pages of internal memos from from meta and which meta or Facebook I think it was still Facebook at the time did all of this internal research because what they were seeing is this exponential increase in the suicide rate of girls between the ages of 13 and 17 and an exponential increase in the number of girls that were being admitted to hospitals for self-harm okay and that the they wanted to see if there was a causal connection between their product and the algorithms that they were feeding these girls and those suicide rates. And the conclusion came back conclusively that yes, it was. And you know what they did about it? Nothing. Zero. And then she came and testified and showed them the documents. And

you know what Congress did about it? Nothing. Zero. Nothing. What's not saying your hat? Sorry. Oh, it says laptop. Sorry. I know the system knows. I apologize. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. It didn't change anything. Yeah, exactly. But so at the end of the day, is that I can tell you that story

over and over and over again. And every industry, because D.C. is captured by that money, by those lobbyists, buy the people with the money to be able to buy power, by the way in which our system has been created, by those people with money and power. And by the way,

it's a recurring story all through, out our history, but it is at its nader. It is at its height right now. Absolutely. And what I am saying is that the only reason that I bring Donald Trump's name even remotely into that is that there is a way that we can survive that, not for much longer, not with a $40 trillion debt, you know, that's not going to, we aren't going to be able to maintain empire, you know, with $40 trillion in debt and paying more in interest on an annual basis than we do for our entire defense. This is never going to happen.

Yeah. Okay. But the one thing that we always had was a constitutional republic, an adherence to a democracy in the rule of law. And I think that he is fundamentally flaunting that. I think that he is fundamentally challenging the idea that the, that the president has to act within the law, that he is not above the law.

And you see that in every way, whether he takes a jet, tears down the east wing, all these little things, you know what I mean, takes a jet from Qatar, or, you know, or that Jared Kushner, for instance,

Jared Kushner is the senior advisor and liaison for the entire Middle East, Russia and Ukraine in deciding wars, while he's being paid $100 million a year by the Saudi government, by the Saudi royal family, directly into his pocket. How is that possible? How is that possible in the world in which they said

that I was, you know, the leader of the Biden crime family? When my dad was president, I made an average of $225,000 a year and I paint it. I sold paintings that I worked my f*** off to put into a gallery and sell and take 50% of the proceeds from. And every single person that bought a painting had to go and testify in front of Congress under oath that they bought the painting because they like the painting. I mean, it's just ridiculous. And why are people like that? That is the qualitative difference between Donald Trump and any other president that's ever existed.

Because I want to be able to fight for a moment when we still have a constitution that means something in which like-minded people. Because I think we're talking about an inflection point. If you and I can find middle ground on this and I can find middle ground with Sean Ryan, and I can find middle ground with Candice, and I can find middle ground with somebody like Kassan.

Piker and say, hey, what the fuck, man? Like, we all need free health, not free health care, but we need universal health care so that when your kid gets sick, you don't have to worry about whether you're going to go to the doctor or be bankrupt. Like that. It's just common sense stuff. 75% of American people believe in that. 75% of American people think that the tax system, as it is now, is bullshit.

I mean, think about that. This tax system that we have, I don't know how you get at it. But if you, there's 948 billionaires families in this country, okay? Which control, I don't know, what is it, 30, 40% of the entire wealth of the country? And you know how much they pay in income taxes collectively? Income taxes now, not wealth tax, income taxes. Zero. And the reason that they do is because they're not breaking the law.

They're taking advantage of the system. And where did the system come from? it came from their lobbyists who make certain that those loopholes and that the way the system works benefits them, which by the way doesn't make them evil. It doesn't make them bad people. I think it does. To a degree. To a degree. Yes, to a degree. But I'm trying to like take some of the vitriol out of it and say like, look, I think that

some of the things that these people that I'm talking about that I talk about all the time, I know everybody wants me to hate Elon Musk for all the crazy that he does. This guy's a genius, man. He's a genius. And he could contribute it so much, not just by giving away his money, but doing like great things for society. But, man, is it like going in and doing what he did in Doge was so counterproductive, so counterproductive for so many of the good things that we have. And I just don't want to be controlled by 948 families.

I want to be able to still have the chance to fight against that. And if you don't have a constitution left that's worth anything, we won't have the opportunity to fight against it. That's why I focus on Trump, unlike anybody else. I say this, for instance, Thomas Massey, I don't agree with 95% of what Thomas Massey believes in in terms of policy. Literally, 95%. He voted with Trump 95% of the time.

If he ran for president today, I'd vote for him. I'd vote for him because I know that he's dedicated to the Constitution and to the rule of law. So this isn't about partisanship with me. Isn't it about like identifying one person that said, oh, it's just him. If we just get rid of him, everything's going to be fixed. Yeah. It's not like saying, oh, it's the billionaires. We've got to get like pick up our pitchforks and go.

We got to change the system. And that takes consensus. And that takes people coming together and realizing we're all getting screwed, man. All of us. Like the fires we were talking about before we started here. Yeah. We're all getting screwed. So you can go out and say, oh, it's Gavin Newsom, and he's a piece.

No, it was the mayor, no, somebody set the fire. No, it's a climate change and we all fight about it. Then nothing gets done. And you know who cleans up? The new developers that are coming in and making a gazillion dollars off of the, you know, rebuilding the palisades and wherever. Just like what's going to happen in Gaza. Just like what's going to happen in Gaza.

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Team golf course is out. So, yeah, the first thing I think, think about when I have these conversations is why, right? Because we said earlier about power. We said earlier about money. But it's at a point that, you know, it seems more existential. Yeah. It seems like what's what is really the those families, those people who are actually the ones who are moving the world around? Yeah. What's their real intention? Yeah. What is your opinion on Okay, yeah, that's great. It's like literally, nobody ever goes there

and when other things I talk about it. I think that they know something that they think that we don't know, that we're at a point in human history that everything's gonna change. Right. And that's AI. And I know that people like this, you know, you go on and you like watch the people like stream

and talking about like, you know, the conspiracies, like they're all building bunkers. Well, here's the thing, man. They all are building bunkers. they all are and they are all in a race to secure as much of the humanly possible wealth that they can to fortify themselves with no with no thought in mind about the other 99.999% of us and I really mean that and I think that they see a future that is that is beyond most people's comprehension. I sit there and I listen to some, like Mo, I forget his name, the former, I think

Google guy that's the AI guy. And he's a level-headed guy. And he talks about it. He's like, look, it's going to be good and it's going to be bad. There's going to be parts. I agree with people to say, like, we cannot have this catastrophic view about what AI. But I do know this. It is going to fundamentally change the world in which we interact with each other. If AGI is on the horizon within the next year. Maybe it's here. And super intelligence is not far behind. I think we're headed toward sky net. Well, it's either sky net. You know, I always say this, it's either Star Wars or it's Star Trek. You know what I mean? Like everybody, you know, like, you know, a multiracial, multicultural, multi-planetary society that all gets on a, you know,

spaceships and explores the world for good because of all of the things that AI allows us to be able to do and to be able to save the planet and cure cancer and educate our children in a way that we never thought possible, free people from overtaxing labor and give them an ability to have time and a universal basic income to be creative and do things. There's all this beautiful side of it, man. There's all the possibility of you side, or it's Skynet.

And right now it looks like a lot more like Skynet just by virtue of, like look at the, Look at these guys. Look at, like, look what they say. Look how they act. Look what they're doing. Who specifically? Oh, God, what's his name?

At chat, GPT. Sam Malman. Yeah, Sam, Sam Althman. Have you ever watched Sam Alman be interviewed? Yeah. It's kind of scary, man. Kind of scary. There's a show on HBO called Pantheon.

I think it's on HBO, or maybe it was Netflix. And it's a high-level, like, anime cartoon. it's a, but it's a real film and a serious film. And he was asked in one interview I saw, and this is the reason I went to watch it, is, um, he said, what is,

what do you think, like what science fiction, um, uh, that's out there do you think most resembles what, um, uh, the future may look like.

And he goes, Pantheon. And you go watch Pantheon and it's absolutely, incredibly frightening. I mean, it ends in a, you know, it ends in a,

you know, a clismic battle between people who have uploaded their, you know, their avatars into the net and the people who decide to remain on earth and torn apart and like, you know, but that's the guy that, you know, with his hands virtually on the button. Yeah, on the pulse, right. Yeah. So, so where do you think it's going to go? I have, here's the honest answer. And I don't know anybody that gives any other answer is that I truly don't know other than this. It, it, there is, there is, there, there is, There will be, we are about to live, I think, through a moment in time, in the history of this planet in which still the greatest evolutionary leap that is ever taken place, in which we go from

human, which is the apex of intelligence on the planet and all known, all of our at least known intelligence in the universe, to something that makes us look like we have the mind, of a, at best, an aunt. What happens then? What, what happens? Well, I think we, I think it, what it seems like it's sort of separating humanity from itself. Like it's, we're, we're going in a direction of less human.

Yeah. And what does that mean? Yeah, and what does that mean? Yeah. And what does that mean? I mean, like, in this, in this show, Pantheon, and I know it's science fiction, it may sound silly and people will go like, oh, what the, is he talking about.

But what do we do when you can upload your consciousness into the cloud? But what happens then? What does that mean? Are you human? But it's not science fiction to believe that particularly with the advent of superintelligence, whether it's six months for now or 60 years from it. And I don't mean to interrupt, but I also believe already we've already started to do this with the iPhone.

This is already tracking movements, tracking spending habits, attracts everything. Everything in your life is tracked through here. This is both your bag of heroin, I say, and also your prison. So this sort of like gathering data and information's already started. Now it's like flock cameras and security, second surveillance state, even to a crazier degree. So it's like, why? Is it just to control, just to have more power to have more money? I think and this is why I'm going back to it. It's like they already have it all. They already have enough. Now, it could get more fine-tuned and fine detailed. But for what? And that's why this

starts to like, I don't know, I get on the internet, people arguing about religion and, you know, Jewish and Muslim and a Christianity. There's a whole, there's a whole host of things that I'm like, is this some sort of like religious consciousness attack? Like, or is this

truly good versus evil? That's what I think it is. That's interesting. That's what Sean thinks, Brian. Yeah. He's boiled down everything in his... Well, because it's nothing else that makes sense. If you really think about it, they have all of the control. They essentially put numbers on a screen and say they got a gazillion dollars at this point. It's like, that's what they're doing.

So what do we do about it? That's the question. So one of the things, for instance, that I say, and the other, I'm not, this isn't some like, you know, novel argument on my part, which is this, is that think about where all of the wealth is flowing right now, all of the capital, all of the money. It's into entities and individuals that have created companies that basically swallow all of our, all of ourselves. They take, they take my health data. They take my image. They take my movements. They take my, my sleep patterns. They take literally all of this data that I'm giving to them freely. Not just me, but my six-year-old, when he watches Japanese cartoons on his, you know, on his, the equivalent of an iPad.

Yeah. Or from the moment that we were born, when you, when, you know, they do the, the, the, the, the blood test and feed it into now a, which is captured digitally and put into a database, and your DNA is sequenced. Is it everything that they use to make trillions of dollars is all ours? And that's what AI is. AI is the collection of the entirety of the creative output of human history.

From the making of the wheel to the creation of fire, to the first painting that was drawn on a cave, to the first poem that was ever written, and then all the way through to the last bit of code that a human will ever push a keyboard for. And all of that belongs to us. But somehow, somehow, we have... have seated that to literally, what, five, six people, five, six individuals that control these

companies and said, yeah, okay, you figured out from here. We have given the power of, you know, of God to a handful of people without blinking and I. And we need leadership right now to step in and not be thinking about what you're going to do with the goddamn reflecting pool and say, You know, because I heard somebody say this. The guy said to him, well, aren't you worried about China? Don't you think that the United States and these companies should be given free reign? Because we have to beat China. And he goes, you think I'm worried about China?

Have you seen what ChetGBT? You seen what Claude is doing? Do you have any more faith in their leadership of us, of the globe, than some phantom in China? Now, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. I'm not making a judgment about either one, but I don't trust any of them. And that's what our government was supposed to be for,

is to protect us from powers that we could not protect ourselves from. You know, I mean, literally go all the way down to the, you know, you know, the Second Amendment. Sure, you can carry around a musket, but you know what? The government was in control of a well-regulated militia. And I'm just extrapolating that, you know, analogy to, well, it should protect us against a,

an out-of-control corporate class that has no interest in it. We are already there. How do we stop it? What do we do about it? How do we do it? First thing you gotta do is you gotta save the Constitution. You gotta save the rule of law. You gotta hold people accountable that have broken that trust in a way that no other president

and no other administration has ever broken that trust. And you gotta call them out for these things. And you gotta do it by elections and you can't do it by violence and you can't do it, But you have to rally people. So you've got to talk to people on the left and you've got to talk to people on the right. That's what I'm doing. You know, I mean, like, for instance,

this whole cryptocurrency thing that I'm doing, I don't want anybody to buy my coin. I don't give a, but what I'm saying is I'm going to talk to a whole other audience of people and do it in a way that's different than they did it. Because you know what? I think that the crypto crowd swung the election to a certain degree last year.

There's enough out there. There are enough people that have adopted cryptocurrency whether it's Bitcoin or all the way down to meme coins in which they are fully conversing in it. It is a new democratized way to be able to move money to not be a subject of a financial system that has locked people out of, you know, of places in which they only allow the rarefied air of a few to be a part of. And so I want to go talk to them. I'm going to, I'm going to do that. I'm going to go talk to, you know, I'm going to talk to everybody I can't. with the humility of knowing, you know, maybe it works for two people, maybe it doesn't.

And at the same time, I get to sit here and I get to do it clean and sober and show somebody that's sitting there struggling whether or not they can stop drinking today. That's, if that motherfucker could do it, maybe I can. That's it. Not going to lie, that was really good marketing. Oh, okay. I'm not going to lie. That was, I don't believe in any of that.

Yeah, no, by the way. I think it's all a scam. By the way, so it is, it can be all the scam. It has always been all a scam. And that's the other thing. No. And I really mean this. It doesn't have to be that way. Like, I created a coin in which I given away 20%. Just today, literally, my subscribers on substack without knowing that I was going to give it to them, I just made millions of dollars for it. I don't make a goddamn dime on this for six months. And then after six months, I have to, I'm vested for two years. And so the whole idea is, of all of these things, is to be able to create the freedom of, of, you. you being able to to basically vote for an idea. And that's all it is. It's sustaining, maintaining, maintaining attention

in order to be able to do that. And here's the other thing is that I'm a capitalist, man. Like you, like all these people out there, like, oh, you know, you do this, that, and the other thing. Like, you know, like, yeah. I mean, like, what? Because you think that I'm a Democrat? I don't want to, like, feed my family.

You don't think I want to pay my debt? You don't think that I want to go out and be able to have the freedom to do the things that I want to do? Yeah. And I truly believe in it. I read this book called The Internet of Money. And this guy makes this incredible argument. This is years ago. And, you know, a Bitcoin guy, okay?

And it makes the point that digital currency for the first time in the blockchain allow for people to do these microtransactions that are, that across borders, around the globe and to be in a system in which they have been locked out of the vast majority of human existence in which they get to control how their money moves and to whom without any government oversight and without anyone getting in the way and then everybody says oh it's just all for criminals and bulls well tell me this man who's been laundering the money of terrorists for the past 50 years there hasn't been cryptocurrency you know who it is it's Deutsche Bank and it's j p morgan is city bank, and we know it, you know why? Because every three or four years, they pay like a $62

billion fine for laundering money for Hamas or whatever terrorist organization. I mean, it's such a bunch of bullshit. But you know what it does lock out? It locks out the, you know, the millions of immigrants that live here legally and want to send money back to their family in Mexico. And you know what they got to do? They can't get a bank to do it because they can't afford the swift and they can't get a bank account because they don't have this, that, or other thing. And their family in Mexico doesn't have one either. So they got to go to Western Union and pay 15% to be able to spend their money so that another corporation can put money of hardworking people that are, you know,

putting your roof on your house. And it said, you know what? You do a cryptocurrency at a point zero zero zero five cent charge, you can move money to whoever you want to your family, back anywhere. That's what I believe in. I, when I worked at the UN World Food Program, what we tried to do is that when refugees would come in, for instance, I was in Syria at the border in Lebanon, and we were creating a refugee camp there. And I was chairman of the board, and what we were doing, we're crushing the local economy because you bring in all of these refugees. And the host nation, Lebanon, was nice enough to allow them to come in.

And then the World Food Program would come in and they would dump all of this free food because the refugees needed it. And what that would do, it would totally completely ruin the local economy, is that their food stuffs would have no value because you could go get free food at the refugee camp. And so what we did is we gave them digital wallets, all controlled by the blockchain, all every individual thing. And so that they could go in and we could create refugee camps in which you could enhance the local economy. And then we spread that out to be able to have subsistence farmers in sub-Saharan Africa. or in the oldest, in Dadaab, the five generations of refugees from, on the border of Kenya and Ethiopia,

in which people, all who have phones, everybody has these phones, would be able to transact digitally outside of the banking system. And so that's what I, that's, that's, that's where my belief in it came from. And what I realize is that as Democrats, like you said, you know what? Oh, they're for it? Well, we're against it. We're against it. It's all a scam. They're all a bunch of, you know. Well, bullshit.

It's, it's, I promise you, it's the future. I hear it. I promise, the horse is out of the barn. And a lot of things like this. And I just think, anyway, I'm not here to convince you with anything. And I certainly, I want to say this, my, this whole venture that I'm doing,

it has zero utility. It's not worth anything except what you decide that it's worth. don't buy the coin if you can't afford it to lose your money. And if you, but if you want to, it's a vote for an idea. It's not a investment, period.

Sounds like a gambling, but, but it sounds like a gambling, but so let me, yeah, so, but I'm being serious about it. I hear it.

Yeah. My, maybe it's a little bit cynical view, maybe a little nihilistic. Everything you just said, yeah, we could sit here and say, oh, that sounds good,

that sounds good. And I'm not trying to, like, say, go against what you're doing at all. Yeah. I think of everything else that we've mentioned earlier, AI, pharmaceutical industry, military. Every person who also was ahead of that company or those movements or those complexes, industrial complexes, all this money. I believe at one point, and I'm not saying you're like this, but at one point in sort of the inception of those things, they had the same, well, this would be good because we'll be able to defend ourselves. So this would be good because we'll be able to create no cures, obviously, because we know pharmaceutical industry sucks,

and they've just given people drugs forever and caused many pandemics of, you know, overdoses. But I digress. The point is they all started at one point being like, this is also going to be good for people. And it's not at all. Okay. So a perfect example from the recovery and addiction.

Fentanyl served a purpose. The pharmaceutical companies created fentanyl. for oxycodone for that matter, oxycontin. You know what? It was a new, incredibly powerful pain drug for people with intractable pain that had no other option and other than to seek relief.

You know? And it was like a, and then what did the Purdue family do with Oxycontin? Well, they figured out that it was incredibly, incredibly addictive. And so instead of restricting the distribution of it and giving warnings to doctors that this is incredibly addictive,

and only give it to patients that are literally on their deathbed or that have no hope of any recovery from their pain. Instead, what they did is they went to doctors and they created a marketing plan that told them that this is unlike any other pain medication. It's not addictive. The 12-hour release pill makes certain that the recurring physiological effect of addiction

will not take place. And you can prescribe it, for simple back pain. So if you got somebody that's been riding on the tractor about here in rural Kentucky that has just had this like aching back pain and he goes in for his checkup at the doctor, he said, we'll incentivize you to write a prescription of oxycontin. Give them 100. And the next time they came in, give them more. If they need to up their dose, then you know what, that's just how it works. And then what they did is they said, oh, and by the way, what we're going to do is we're going to set up trailers in the rural south, literally mobile homes,

and get a doctor with a prescription pad and just let people line up. You come in, you have an earache, we'll write you oxycontin. You come in, you stubbed your toe, we'll write the oxycontin. They flood it the market. And you know the places that they target it? They target it literally, they laid a map over the United States. And everywhere where there was a robust heroin trade, they didn't touch. everywhere that did not have, that heroin hadn't penetrated, they went to.

And they took over the entire market until they ate up the entire heroin trade in urban markets. So it matters who is a control of not just an idea, but a product. I don't, like I said, you're right. It's all about who holds the hammer. It's all about, it's all a tool. Cryptocurrency is a tool. You can build things or you can break it. Pharmaceuticals, you can make people better or you can kill them.

And not just kill them. You can, like, I mean, it's, talk about a, I mean, I don't want to use the word genocide because it's so loaded, but Jesus Christ, you know what I mean? 50 million Americans are addicted today. You know, we still have an absolute pandemic as it relates to overdose deaths as related to fentanyl. And they're all culpable because they're all, they retreat behind this idea that they are beholden to their shareholders. They only have one fiduciary responsibility, and that's to increase the stock price.

But, man, we fought through tougher things as a country. We really have. I mean, during the turn of the century in the 1900s, is that you had the greatest concentration of wealth of any other time in history other than what we're going through right now. And Teddy Roosevelt got elected, and he was a part of that class. he was the, he was a, the patrician class. He came before all of this new money, you know, like the Rockefellers and stuff like that.

And he became president. And he became what they called, they called him a class trader because he went up and he stood up the JD Rockefeller who was our Elon Musk and, and Bezos and Zuckerberg combined, okay, controlled 60% of the entire global oil market. and every single gas station that you know of today used to be part of standard oil until they broke it up. And Teddy Roosevelt came in and he said, look, man, nobody's asking for a handout in this country. They're just asking for a square deal. And he started the square deal movement.

And he broke up all the trusts. And he made certain that you could not have these monopolies. And the monopolies didn't just exist in the oil industry. They were also, that same conglomerate also controlled all of our transportation, all of the rail industry. all of the rail industry, all of the shipping. And so he broke them all up. So he created competition. And it, like, in the economy, you know, not only survived, but it roared back after they said,

oh, you're just going to ruin everything. And then FDR had to come in in 1939, after the crash of 29. And he came in, and FDR just absolutely said, you know what? We don't just need a square deal. We need a fair deal. And he came in and he said, we'll never let it happen again. that people in their 60s when they retire, after working their entire lives,

will become destitute and become a burden to the rest of us and to the entirety of society. So we created the Social Security benefit for everybody. And then we created things like Medicare and Medicaid, and we created that literally saved people's lives that made it so that we weren't in a completely two-tiered system. And now we have spent 40 years since the early 80s of dismantling that structure.

I think that we can build it again. need a new, new deal. We need a new new deal. And that's what I'm saying. And I don't think it's Republican. I don't think it's Democrat. I don't think it's, I, and I don't say that you have to have a third party. You just have to have, like, conversations like this. Do you think conversations like this actually change things or this the powers? I sure hope so, man, because I'm sitting here, spend a lot of time doing it. And I think that what you do, like having the conversations are thinking important. Like all this talk, nobody listens to CNN anymore. Nobody. You know anybody that fucking does that scene? Do you know anybody that has MS now on or even Fox News? If you're

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and check out the website for more information let's get back in this podcast see because now there's a new new age of media yeah right you consider i consider me that you know a lot of other people that um but that's not to say that the powers that be that control that are really behind everything are not aware of that right so where i'm going with this is how many of the these new political pundits or speakers who speak directly in politics, do you think are involved some way with those same powers? Like, who do you think is a Fed? Yeah, that's a great question. That's, there is zero chance, literally zero chance. Yeah. That every single one of them are just people who believe in specific causes. Zero chance. So I don't know this whole thing. I've,

Like, you know that guy, Kiroako, John Kariako? Yes. Yeah, I've listened to him all the time. And he ate my dad. I think he doesn't like me either, but I don't know. But I like him. And because he says some really sensible stuff. And he has a view into our government in a way that I never had.

You know what I mean? I never, even as the proximity that I had to the power as it being my dad, like, I don't know anything about that. You got to know some. No, no, I really mean it. Is this a lot of some. Is it? I believe them, though.

I take them at their word. I take them at... One of the things I do know is this, is that the capacity for the United States government to surveil you, to surveil anyone on the face of the globe, is beyond anything that you can possibly imagine. Literally anything that you can't imagine.

You know, I see people like, oh, you got to turn off your phone if you wanted to do something. It doesn't matter if you turn off your phone. They can listen to you through that TV screen right now if they wanted to. only can they do that, they can track your car anywhere in the world, as long as it has a computer chip on board, you're, you know, they have you. Yeah. It's like, so we're well beyond this idea that, you know, that there's, you know, the great eye in the sky. I mean, it's Soron,

you know what I mean? Like, it's like, there is a, so, and to that degree, how does that, in, in fact, has it infiltrated new media? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I really don't. I mean, I guess you could like, think, but I don't know anybody that I talk to that I think is like a, you know, a sciop. I don't know, but I really don't know. I mean, think about it. Well, who do you? You would know much better than I. I mean, really, because you're much more a student of it, right? Who do you think? Yeah, it's interesting. Well, who are the most popular ones? Candace Tucker. Candice, Tucker. Sean's always up there. Um,

Hassan's been in the news a lot lately. Yeah, Hassan, yeah. Nick Fuentes. Yeah, but Nick doesn't really have nearly as big as a crowd as everybody's. He just has great clippers.

You're Nick Fuentes fan? No. I, I said, I talked to Nick. I saw. You know, I mean,

look, I talk to him because I want to be able to say to him that it's bullshit the things that he says, particularly about African Americans, and particularly about, um, Jews and particularly about the Holocaust and things. He's like,

oh, no, I'm just edge lording and things like, that and then he goes back out and he kind of says them all over again so like but my point is is that I get to hear it from the horse's mouth man and you know I got to hear it from somebody and be able to say my peace to them and to be able to sit you know sit down with them and show that you know the whole like somebody's bright idea that like promoting the that that discussion was they get into a you know physical fist fight I mean next like next like this big you know what I mean

it would be like you fighting me you know what I mean it's it wouldn't be a match Are you saying you smoke Nick Fuentes in a fight? Oh, he's, he's a little guy. By the way, by the way, no, Nick would admit that. Like, he's not a fighter. I promise you, physically he's not a fighter. No, I've had him. I've had him on twice.

Yeah, well, he would agree with that, right? I think so. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. And I don't think he has the ego about that kind of, he's an ego about other shit, but not that. Might hit you with a mean elbow. But I got to have a discussion with him, man. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And I got, I got fucking, but I lost some friends. You know, and having that discussion? What? Yeah. Why? Because I sat down with the Holocaust denier. Mm.

And he said that, you know, that he, he's reversed his opinion about that. But, you know, he said. In what way? He's not a Holocaust denier. He believes that the Holocaust governor. I think he just sort of like refuting the numbers or whatever, the whole thing. Which is as offensive. It's, you know, look, man.

I'm trying to make the point to Nick, particularly as it relates to that. And I don't want to get into this, Cragmire. is that let me tell you something. You can, two things can be true at once. What's happening in Palestine right now is genocide. Okay? I believe that. I believe that what Bebe Netanyahu

in the Lekud government which specifically are doing is evil. Okay? And I think that they planned it. And I think that the fact of the matter is, is that the bombshell report that just came out yesterday is that what I think people in the know have known all along is that,

Nottingya who knew about the October 7th attacks before they happened. And he used it as his excuse to do what he always wanted to do, which was obliterate Gaza, okay? And every man, woman, and child that got in his way of doing it. And now we're in a great war in the Middle East, and the Straits are mostly closed. And, you know, we've basically expended all of our offensive weapons on, you know, bombing, you know, Iran to no end, okay.

Which we've also been in the Middle East for 40 years, kind of doing the same thing in different territories. And this here and there and that and the other thing. Why? Yeah. We'll get back to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

But I do believe this, okay? You have to be able to, I don't want to hear another person say the Jews. Because I tell you this, man. The history of the Jewish people is something that I was raised to honor. Is the only group of people in human history, okay? The only group of people that collectively throughout written history have refused to bow to empire. They have separated themselves because of their beliefs, because of their adherence to the scripture that they hold to be true,

and refuse to bend to Pharaoh, and they refuse to bend to Caesar, and they refuse to bend to the Third Reich and assimilate into them. Okay? And because of that, because of that history of incredibly brave independence, all right, they have been persecuted throughout time, unlike any other singular group. Other groups and worse ways and greater genocides and more numbers and, you know, more people died under Stalin, like all of those things you can say have happened. Like the Bolshevik thing. Like the Bolshevik thing. All of those things are true. but over the course of the last 2,500 years,

you can singularly point to the beautiful, and that's a beautiful thing to say about the spirit of the Jewish people, is this idea that there is no other king to bow to than God. Okay? But the thing about the Jewish people that I also learned was this, is they also stood up to their own dictators. So when Solomon was building temples with one hand and statues to Molokon.

with the other, is that you had people like, I forget what it was, like Nathan step in and say, like, you, like, you're a false prophet and to rebel against it. When, you know, I mean, Ahab and Jezebel, like, you know, I mean, the Jewish people, they were, slaughtered them, their own leaders, they stood up to them.

And that is the history of the Jewish people too. And I pray that the Jews, Jewish people, those that are in Israel and outside of it, will stand up to Netanyahu. And that's my position. And I don't think that there's room in Nick's world for that subtlety, for a, for that nuance of an argument about it. I don't think that there's enough room in Hassan Piker's world for there to be enough argument. And I don't know whether there's the intention span of everyone that I just lost. Oh, wow. So would you consider yourself a Zionist?

No, not in the way that you would say that I was a Zionist. But I do believe this. What way is that? That the current Israeli government has a right to complete and unilateral control of the land that is known between Jerusalem, you know, that currently is referred to as Israel. Yeah. Is it, I believe that there is a world. I have to believe it. otherwise it never gets solved in which there is a that both jews and palestinians and muslim

Palestinians can coexist in a um uh and in in under a government that is that uh that uh not just shares power but it is one person one vote um and like and and that is a true democracy that why do they always say they're a democracy when they have like two different versions of citizenship and they have two different laws. Yeah. Well, I'm curious. Do you know why? Why would they, why did they say they're the only democracy in the Middle East when they have two versions of legal?

Yeah. Well, I guess the same reason why we called ourselves the only democracy in, you know, in the Western Hemisphere for hundreds of, you know, 100 years when we didn't allow, you know, uh, blacks or women to vote. You know what I mean? Like people see, we do that now, though. They still don't do that. No, I know.

We do that now. But I'm saying the same for the same. the same reasons, is they want to be able to see the best in themselves and to think that they are, but yeah, look, man, these are kind of things that you're absolutely right. And I think that there's a real discussion you have, but just understand this. When you conflate that with true anti-Semitism, or even running up against it, it turns people that agree with you. I know so many of my friends that are Jewish. They can't stand what Netanyahu's doing. They call what's happening a Jewish genocide. They believe that this government in Israel has made them in their families here in the

United States or wherever else in the world as a Jew less safe. And that, and they want to agree with you. But then they hear like Nick Fuentes say, you know, blah, you know, like, you know, or some other boogeyman come out and like conflate like things. Here's the thing that's frustrating. And it goes And how do we get into this discussion? Oh, I got to talk about it. I got to talk about it. This is something that's frustrating, right? Yeah.

The powers that be also want this to be a conflation, meaning if you go anywhere in the news, the mainstream, anytime I say, or if anyone says, Hassan, whoever, they go, anti-Semite. Yeah, what this is doing, what they're doing there is wrong. Everyone goes, you just don't like Jews. Yeah. And it's conflated in the bots on Twitter.

It's conflated in every single politics. politician or politicians, Ted Cruz, all these people, like Randy, find whoever, yeah, Laura Luma, whoever these people are, who are political punants speaking in direction for pro-Israel causes. The second someone says anything that is against that cause, all of a sudden you don't like Jews. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't you find that interesting? I not only find it interesting, I find it infuriating and frustrating because it does a disservice to the entire idea of a real anti-Semitism that exists in the world. And if everything's anti-Semitism, then nothing's anti-Semitism. It's literally, it makes it a meaningless fucking thing. But so, so doesn't that I totally agree with you? But doesn't that feel like it's, it's a, it's a consorted effort to make that an actual problem? Yeah.

For what? For the purpose of conflating it so that you get to be able to do things like kill 23,000 children without any recourse in, in Gaza. That's why. And then you stand up to it and you say, this is, bullshit. I don't care who you are. Is it starving people, not letting the World Food Program go into Gaza for the first, you know, however many days of the war, was not just inhumane. It was literally evil. Is that ignoring the plans that you had on your desk of what was going to happen on October 7th and not sending IDF troops to protect that border for 10 hours of doing what he did at Nanyahu did

at the end of my dad's term? My dad had a deal for the hostages over and over and over again. And they were literally at the 12th hour to get hostage his home, and Netanyahu would kill the deal because he wanted to save it until after the election. So he kept his own people in bondage inside Gaza that could have been tortured or died from their own bombs that they were dropping just to serve his own political purposes.

If there was no war, Netanya, just be assured. If there was no war, Netanyahu would be in prison right now. 100%. but you know what not only saves his skin but i'll tell you what i've talked about evil the willingness to kill a hundred thousand a palestinians and by the way i'm not talking about hamas so everybody understands this hamas the people that have the barb the barbarity of it but you know what also the barbarity of bibi netanyahu these people both sides there's literally there's this beautiful, this rabbi that does this thing. And I forget who he's a famous, famous guy,

within the, within the Jewish community. He's an Orthodox rabbi. He sits there and he says, you know who, when Jews were being hunted, I forget what it was, by such and such, you know, state empire, you know, you know, where they fled? You know who brought them in? The Palestinians. because the Palestinian people will literally give you the shirt off their back. It's in their nature. It's that my experience in the Middle East and with normal people over the my travels, and I've traveled everywhere, is literally the most generous people in the world are there.

And yet here we are, you know, 20. 2,500 years later, and everybody's still over their throat at each other's throats over control, like of, of, of, of, of a, of a piece of dirt in the middle of the, you know, a desert. Yeah, well, to Jared Kushner, a very valuable piece of dirt. Oh, man, yeah, they're going to turn it into a golf course. Literally, that's what they do. So do you understand, you know, we talk about the complation of like, you know, Israel and Jews in general.

do you understand why there is like the overall sentiment that you know everything we spoke about earlier yeah when we talked about sam altman we talked about meta and the girls killing themselves it's proven yeah do you see that do you see the correlation between this whole like why people have this perception of jews in general because everyone we just mentioned a lot of the industries we mentioned are are owned and operated no look man i think that that is i think that that is a and i'm not saying And that means all Jewish people. No, I got you. I understand what you're saying.

It's very easy to say. But it's as easy to say as this, is that all crime is controlled by Armenians in L.A. You know what I mean? It's not true. It's not even remotely true, you know, but you could say that. Or you could say that, you know,

all crack addicts are black. You know what I mean? Because that's what we've been shown. And I'm here to tell you, that ain't sure. That definitely ain't true. Motherp. And so what I'm saying is, is that if that's told to you over and over and over again,

now in the same way is that I'll tell you what, as a people, as a, as a, as what, it's 0.2% of the entire global population that we're talking about. But what percent of people? For sure. Yeah. What percent of the people own all the, all the massive? being Jared Kushner, Sam Altman, Mark Zuckerberg. I don't know, man, but I also know that, you know.

I'm not trying to go so far down the rabble. I think that there are a lot of very, very, very successful people, you know, but as a religious group in terms of the control of wealth, the Catholics are, you know, beat out the Jews every day, you know, and I'm a Catholic. The, you know, and, you know, who beats them out, latter-day saints, you know, who owns more land in the United States of America as an entity than any other entity?

I thought it was China. No, the church is Latter-day Saints. They own more cattle than any other people, I think, other than King Ranch also. Latter-day Saints. And so, like, you could, like, extrapolate, you could go on and on and on about that. And here's the reason that it sticks with Jews,

because they've been doing it to them for 2,500 years. And the reason they've been doing it to them for 2,500 years, is because they refused to bend the need of Pharaoh. They refused to bend the need of Caesar. They refuse to bend the knee to the third right. And, you know, go on and on throughout history. And so when you stand apart like that, you also become a target. Now, that does not mean that BB Netanyahu is an evil mother that should be stuck.

That's what I can say, you know, about that. And I think that we can all agree on that. And like, like, I know that I haven't listened to you on this topic enough to know. But I also know this. is that I listen to these other streamers and people. And I just feel like saying, hey, man, like, I know, because I've listened to you, you're smart enough to make certain that you qualify it.

I am not saying, because what you're doing is you're taking away what you know is going to happen, is that the people that are incredibly disingenuous, that want to shut you up, that want to allow Bibi Netanyahu to keep doing what he... wants to do are going to say, you're an anti-Semite. So why isn't it incumbent upon us?

We shouldn't have to, but to be able to say, yeah, yeah, I want to make it clear who I'm talking about here. Yeah, I got it. So that you don't get a chance to say that I'm an anti-Semite. Right. That's it. So why do you think then, why in our government do you think we're always willing to give money to that state that, you know.

You said it at the beginning of the show, the military industrial complex. Yeah. I mean, also all of our Congress people, they always vote yes. But on all sides. Yeah. Not democratic or republicing on all sides. It isn't about Israel. It's not about democracy.

It's the same reason that we're allowing, you know, Jared Kush is getting paid $110 million a year by the Saudis. It's about oil. It's about the flow of oil. It's about the Middle East. It's about the ability to be able to launch and control power and maintain power against people that have the control over our global economy. You know, we're the largest producer of oil in the world.

world, but we can't alone through the supply chain in the way in which we deliver oil globally are not able to control at all. And so when you disrupt, for instance, the Strait of Hermuz, then you disrupt the entire global economy because it increases the price, what, a 40% a barrel. Now, they're finding ways to be able to get it out still, but it all inures, for instance, to the benefit of Russia because their oil prices. Now they can fund the war, which they we're running out of money for it, to be able to drop more bombs on Kyiv, to be able to control their, you know, their region in much the way that they want to recreate empire. And so you have all of these domino effects. But why do we support Israel? Well, you know, there's some good

reasons to support Israel. But they're far, but, but you know what? The real answer is, is because they're smack dab in the middle of where we have, you know, an enormous amount of our economy runs through in one way or another. So on the conversation of, because I'm sure you've heard this, I don't know if you've been on Twitter long enough, you for sure heard this, the conversation of Israel controlling the United States, do you think that's true or do you think it's inverse? No, I think that it is, I don't think that there's any truth to this idea that we are controlled. Because remember, every prime minister of Israel went to the president of the United States since Jimmy Carter and said, you need to drop bombs

on Iran. Every single one. And every single president, other than then Donald Trump said no. Yeah, but we did so many other wars leading up to this that has done the same sort of outcome that seems like they've been looking for. You know, the Israelis didn't have any impact on, well, anyway, who knows? But my point is, I don't think it's for Israel. I think it's for our own interest. I think that Israel is a, you know, a pawn in our game.

And I think that they have become really smart about how to manipulate the king, how to manipulate the queen in a match. and they have become experts at figuring out how to use information, how to be able to appeal to the ego and to the narcissism of whoever sits in that office at any time or to a group of lawmakers. It's about how to tell a story about how to use their influence through money that they're able to use

to create lobbying organizations here in the United States to press their interest, their perceived interest. You know what? It's just like any other corporation. You know, it's the same way the pharmaceutical industry have turned really good people into whores for the money that they give them to vote their way and look the other way when they, you know, create drugs that are not only unsafe but unaffordable to 99% of Americans. I just saw there's some cancer drug out there that is safe, they can save your life.

If you can come up with $55,000 a month for it, I mean, like, what? You know, I mean, it doesn't, like, none of it makes any sense. other than this. You can probably go to Russia and get that for like $2,500. I know, you can go to South Africa and get it for $1,500. You know what I mean? For real. I mean, and so, and we all have this conception as Americans.

And me too, by the way. Like, rah, rah, I'm an American, man. I used to have an American flag on the back of my truck. And I drove Ford Raptor. And you know what? And I wore American flag hat. And I did it proudly. And like, I am a, like, I'm a U.S.-centric, you know, 250 years,

the greatest country on the face of the planet. But you know what? It's like they've ripped all of that away from us. Do you know what I mean? It's like the veil is all. Who is they? Oh, they. You're right.

Who is they? And that's what every single group of people that we've been talking about, this made it almost impossible to not say, what the fuck is going on. And so it is literally a handful of people, relatively, a handful of people that are able to use money in a way to create a system that is so opaque and so difficult for the normal person to understand that they don't know where to direct their anger. And that's what Trump tapped into more than anybody ever in American politics. Not ever, that's not true. as much as anyone ever in American politics. And instead of saying, they, and let's name them,

let's name the pharmaceutical industry, let's name the military industrial complex, let's name the, and keep going down the list. You go all the way down to APEC, okay, and you can name them all. And you say, the reason that we have this rule, the reason we're sending this money to this place, the reason that you don't have health care,

is this, this, this, and this. Instead, what they did, they said, wait, wait, they equals the 0.05% of trans people in this country. They equals immigrants that are coming over here and stealing your jobs. I don't know. Have you seen anybody stealing anybody jobs right now? Like, whatever. It's the criminals and rapists.

They're eating your cats and dogs. You know, it's Haitian immigrants. And that's what they've done. Now, you know what? The problem is, is just like you said, as it relates to the idea like, oh, you Now, then you get called an anti-Semite. Well, then everybody says to me, well, your dad opened up the border and created a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Well, fuck you, man. It's this. It's a fucking problem. We need a legal immigration system that works for everybody. Because you know what? You do need a secure border. I agree with that. You absolutely do.

But you also, you know what we need? Because we literally are completely dependent upon immigration. It's the only thing that makes us different than any other country in the world is the number of people that want to come here and create a life and bring their families and struggle to get here, you know, something like, I swear to God, it's like three out of ten, more than this, but at least 30% of all new businesses

are created by immigrants. Did you know something like, like 35% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are all first-generation immigrants? First-generation immigrants. They come here. So what are we doing? We're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You go fucking pick up a bunch of guys,

that are looking for a job at Home Depot that work every day and then drive an Uber, instead of picking up the drug mules that are coming over and bringing fentanyl all in. That's what they're doing. They're rounding people up and sending them places to like Seacot. Don't mistake, man. These are concentration camps. They're not detention centers. They're places where you go and sit in a cage with no due process or habeas corpus or any way.

for anyone to be able to find you. And you just disappear. It's wrong. I don't care who you are, man. That's literally the foundation of what it means to be an American. The whole reason that we started a revolution beyond the idea of being able to

pursue property, to own property. The other reason is, is that we did not believe that the government, any government should ever, ever, ever be able to control us without due process of law, without our day in court. Right. And we're doing that people. Well, I mean, it just goes to the, my only sort of assumption here is like the only way to

actually change this here is, would be a revolution. Radical change, a revolution within the limits of the existing constitutional framework. Yes, 100%. I'm calling for a revolution. I'm calling for a new, new deal. I'm calling for like-minded people. You, the other people that I've named, the other influencers, get on the same page and say, okay, let's all make it clear. Number one, we're not anti-Semites. And this is the reason why we love all our Jewish friends. Okay. Yeah. Number two is that we don't believe that anybody necessarily is going to be evil,

but we do believe that these people owe us an answer as to why the system works as it does. And just go down the list of all the things you can agree on. And I really mean it. It's like 80% of this stuff I'm sure you and I agree on. Like name something. I mean, literally name something. I mean immigration, yeah. Yeah.

I'm with you. You know what? We had a fucking bill in 2023. James Lankford, one of the most conservative senators in the country from Oklahoma, came up and got 10 Republicans or 15 Republicans to sign off for it and got the administration signed out. It created like a thousand more immigration courts to be able to move asylum seekers in or out, but not, you know, like on the border where they go into hotels and then, you know, go into the interior.

He created a, you know, billions of more dollars for border security and all of that. And they iced it. You know why? Because an election was coming up and they wanted it as an issue. What about foreign aid? I think we should give no money to anyone. Well, see, I disagree. And one of the reasons I disagree was from my own personal experience, okay?

When I was a chairman of the board, the UN World Food Program is the largest humanitarian organization in the world. We serve 80 million people. I always get this mixed up. And the numbers have changed since I was a chairman of the board. 80 million people on a daily basis in 72 different countries. And also, it's the access point through which we would deliver humanitarian aid, like, life-saving medications and stuff.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me explain why, okay? It was the greatest way to influence people ever. I'm not talking about siops or anything like that. But we took away this thing called PEPFAR, which is putting antiretroviral drugs, into the bodies of people that have been infected with AIDS, many of them to no fault of their own,

born through people that have HIV children. We've took that away. By 2030, 4 million children under the age of 5 because they do not have access to the medications in which we already found the funding for that was already approved by Congress years ago by George Bush. How many kids? Four million people by 2030 in the next five years.

And they're dead. because they will not get medication that could have otherwise saved their life and that was available to them. And so my point is why does that matter to us? You know why? Because a more stable world matters to us. When you walk into any refugee camp, you know what you would see? You would say give from the American people. So if you're running from some dictator, what do you see if you either see the guy holding the AK-47,

I'm saying, you know, come with us. You want to be a terrorist? You want to be a criminal? Or you see this sign that says a gift from the American people and people that are there that are going to attend to your dying or sick sister who's six years old. That's an incredible force to be able to have it. And we had that everywhere, and now it's gone.

And so I hear people like Joe Rogan go, oh, yeah, it was just a cover for the CIA and things like that. So? Say it was. Say much of it was. Isn't that great for us? Isn't that a good thing?

Like, you're saying that they're smart and they'd be able to figure out a way to be able to infiltrate places that they never could have understood to be able to gather intelligence to keep us safe in the homeland? You're saying that's a bad thing? You know?

Oh, well, it's all a lot of grift and graft and greed and, you know, they were, they're like, you know, a siphon of money into people's pockets. Okay, you had access to every single transaction USAID ever did. They went through it. They combed through it

because they wanted to find all of that fraud, right? Well, where is it, man? They've had now two years. I just feel like no, in our government, we don't actually action on things in our fraud. Literally the entire existence of Doge was predicated upon finding that. So my point is this, yeah, I'm fucking against foreign aid when we have fucking homeless vets sitting here.

So you and I agree, but we can have a nuanced discussion about it, and I can tell you, well, look, some of this is really good for us. What about as it pertains to giving money to Israel so they can kill kids in Gaza? Nope. Nope. Posed to it. And then, look, I'm not, I'm not forgiven any money to the Netanyahu government. When Israel gets a act together again with an administration and a government that will take into consideration the lives of innocent people, 100%. Well, now it seems like, no.

It seems like now they pass some law to like blend these two things together so it's even more blurry. Yeah, man, probably did. And I'm certain they did it for that exact reason. That's why we need new leadership, man. That's exactly what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, we don't disagree. But what do we just do none of it at all? Because you referenced people other places.

I think we've gotten to a point of like maximal, like we just talked about the debt earlier, 40 trillion, right? Yeah. We're too far gone. Like at some point, this, you're talking about what we talked about earlier, the empire falling. Like the United States as it's being like the world power falling. So at what point do we go, okay, we need to cut this cold turkey as an addict would know. That's the only way to really stop it, right?

no one should get any more of this money. No one. I don't think we should do anything. If you were going to do it across the, by the way, no, if you're going to, I don't disagree with you. If you do it across the board in a way in which you also, you also restructure the system so that it inures to the benefit of the people that are most in need and that gotten screwed by the system the most.

Yes. But you know what? They cut USAID and what do they do? They gave a tax cut to the 0.1%. That's what they did. And by the way, it's 0.5% of the entire budget. We're talking about all the foreign aid, all of it, 0.5% of the entire budget on an annual basis. It literally has nothing to the debt.

It's not, it's a, it's a drop. Yeah, but when you use words like point whatever percent, it's like it's still hundreds of billions of dollars. I don't disagree. But if you really, really want to be able to figure out, for instance, how to make it, if the argument is, get rid of it because of the debt. Well, it doesn't add up when what you could do is you could go and repeal the Trump tax cuts and apply them to the 99.9% of people that did not get a tax cut. Or you could, you know, look at entitlements, whether Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and how they're distributed, and who they're distributed to.

And I'll tell you what. Like, for instance, the reason why I want universal health care, because it'll do amazing things as it relates to our deficit. it in our debt. Because the amount of money that the U.S. government pays for access to health care through Medicare and Medicaid is so inflated because of the way that the system is. As if you create a one-payer system and a universal health care plan, then you bring all costs down in line with the rest of the world. So you go to a doctor appointment and, you know, like you name the country. Yeah, Russia. Yeah. And it costs literally 10 times less. You go

to get, for instance, a CAT scan. And here you have to, you have to, wait three weeks to be able to get it. And when you go there, it's what, like $8,000? They're charging $700 for a bag of saline, $400 for a bag of saline. Well, you know, that doesn't exist in other places because the government has the ability to negotiate with the providers. And instead of these, you know, like single-payer groups that, you know, insurance, and I have to pay this much money in the insurance, and then the insurance companies reimburse it and they reimburse it, and they reimburse 85% of it. So they inflate the place, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We know the system. We know that it sucks. We know that we all hate it,

but that would have tremendous effect in terms of our deficit in being able to attack it. And we all agree on it. But you know what? They don't do it. Why don't they don't do it? Because there's a handful of people in Washington, D.C., who spend millions and millions of dollars a year. And they don't put it in pockets. They don't, like, go up to senators and give them money. What they do is they fund their campaigns. And they say, we're going to donate millions of dollars. just a different version of putting in your pocket it's a different version it allows you to stay in power to vote in their favor and a lot of people come and they don't intend to do that but they got a really hard race and are they going to take pack money from this person or that thing or other

and so and they do and then all of a sudden you know what you're justifying in their mind why you know what you know health care for all is a ridiculous idea that's communism that's socialism You know what? I want to be able to go to the doctor I want to go to. Yeah, good luck. Good luck in this system going to the doctor you want to do it. If you're with Kaiser Permanente as compared to Blue Cross Blue Shield, as compared to not having any insurance at all,

you don't get to choose the doctor that you go to. You've got to be in system. And if it's in system, then it's got to be this doctor. And if you can get that doctor at UCLA at this time, then you've got to get a referral and the referral costs. I mean, like, who the fuck are we kidding, man? It's totally absurd. and all of these arguments against the things that we all agree on are just that.

They're both bought and paid for. Again, I really truly, truly believe that the vast majority of the things that normal people fucking care about, the safety and security of their family, the ability to send their kids to school without fear of violence, the freedom to be in an environment in which you're not, you don't think that there's like a, gigantic pedophile ring, you know, to be able to fucking, dude. Yeah. That in of itself is just like. Well, man, it's a real thing too.

And so it gets to the thing that we were creeping towards, which is this, is it worth saving? I'm an eternal optimist. Okay. And I got to be. Just think about my own history. Okay. Yeah. Like the fact that I'm sitting here is like against all odds.

And I don't mean like because I'm so tough. I got lucky. Yeah. I got lucky by, you know, by who my parents are, not just that he was president of the United States, but I had a great dad that loved me, and that loves me more than anything in the world

and was there for me. I got lucky because I met my wife, who has literally helped save me. So many ways I got lucky. How is Joe? He's okay. You know, phase four prostate cancer is, like, it's treatable, and they were able to bring the PSA down to basically zero

through radiation, but it had already gotten into his bones. So metastasized, which is called metastatic bone cancer. And I said this to people, and I said his cancer spread, which is what metastatic means, which was the original diagnosis, which is being controlled by hormone therapy. The hormone therapy is... It's like blast and testosterone? Taking it to zero.

Oh, no. Yeah. That's terrible. Awful. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because that's what fuels the cancer and the continued growth. that they have to take it to zero.

And he had a really high testosterone. So he just pop in estrogen pills or what? No, it's like, yeah, it's a hormone therapy. Like it blocks the testosterone. That sounds horrible. It really is. And so, you know what I mean? And so it's really, really uncomfortable.

It's really uncomfortable and particularly uncomfortable. Was he dealing with that, like on his way out of term? Yeah. Oh, he didn't know. He had no idea that he did. But yeah, obviously it doesn't go. that fast. And, but he's okay.

But anyway, what I was saying is, is this, is that, you know, I have this debate with Melissa all the time, which is,

like, you just say, throw up your hands, say, fuck it. Like, this is your wife. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, you know, like, I'm going to get mine. I'm going to, I'm going to build the bunker. I'm going to figure out,

I'm going to get the fuck out of here, all of these, you know what I mean? Like, like, it's, it's, it's all rigged. That's what the smartest people are doing.

or the most wealthy people. Yeah, and I don't know what they're the smartest. Well, I mean... Look, man, I think that, you know, I think it's worth fighting for. I want to fight for it. I agree. I just think they know where it's going.

I think if they know where it's going because they're also the ones finger on the button. Yeah, but a lot of really, really smart people, you know, uh, you know, chose, you know, the third Reich in World War II.

You know what I mean? Like, you know, Charles Lindbergh, who was the, um, the most famous person in the world. And, you know, Charles Lundberg, the aviator. Yeah. And the first person to circumnavigate, or I think not circumnavigate, he flew over the Atlantic, right?

He was a Nazi. During the, you know, lead up to the, he was an incredible believer in Hitler in the, in the term war. And so my point being is this is really, really smart in people on the face of it smart people are often wrong. I think they're wrong about the way in which they are, um, uh, they've directed policy. I think that it's going to come back to haunt those people that are taking advantage of the other,

and I really mean this, 99% of us. One of the things that people think is this, is it, do you realize in order to be in the top 1% of incomeers in this country, you would think that it means like tens of millions of dollars, right? $750,000 is the average income

is of the top 1%. Yeah, well, they put, on paper. That's the point. Yeah. It's because nobody with real wealth pays themselves any income. But where all of our tax proceeds come from, the vast vast majority come from income

tax. So we sit there and when we say that we're going to raise the median income tax by X, you know, and nobody that's wealthy gives a, because they don't pay themselves, Elon Musk pays himself zero dollars. The state of California

sued Elon Musk because he paid himself $0.00. You know why? Because it's against, it goes against labor laws. You have to pay an employee something. Yeah. So now he pays himself $1. And by the way, not because he's breaking the law, because he's taking advantage of the system in the way that it works. If you have wealth, you never, ever touch your principle. You live off of your, off of your, um, interest earning investments. Yeah. You just take money. And you borrow money against it. And it did. But you know what? Only a about 0.5% of the people even remotely have the opportunity or the chance to be able to do that. But we all like have this idea, well, that's us. It's not us. It's not even people that are

doing really well. The rich are getting hit. And when I say rich, people like, I think, you know, when I was growing up at least, you know, making $750,000, you were pretty rich. Yeah. You know, I wish I was making $750,000. And so like, like, you can live a life, $250,000, depending on where you are. they're getting killed just as hard as anybody at the bottom. Because the people at the very, very bottom were paying income tax. But they're getting crushed on their entitlement taxes. And they're getting crushed by the cost of living.

Yeah. And so they can't, they don't, they're not making enough money to just make it. How do you pay rent in Los Angeles? Oh, you have fucking six employees. How do you do it? You have six, uh, you know, co-inhabitants of a spot. Yeah, man. Six roommates.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, and you look out there and you go like, how do people do it? And because I'm trying to do it, you know what I mean? And everybody else I know is, you know, trying to figure it out. Start a crypto coin. Kid. Laptop, baby.

Yeah, but I'm telling you what is this. Is it, you know what else I get to do with that? Is it, I get just today, if the coin stabilize it where it was supposed to be, I literally given away tens of millions of dollars to my subsist subscribers. People that never asked for anything didn't get anything. They're going to be able to pay their rent. They're going to be able to pay for groceries. They're going to be able to do the things, both free and paid.

And then 5% of my coin is dedicated to cherry, which could go up to 35% of my coin. So if it stabilizes and it remains, you know, if I can keep it even remotely where it is right now, I'll be able to give tens of millions of dollars to people that are struggling in addiction and recovery. And by the way, that does not make me a insane because I got my tem. percent too. Okay. And I can't touch it for six months over two years. But regardless, yeah, goddamn right. Like, what do you think? Work my ass off to, you know, do this and to be able to create something that's different than everybody else. To be dragged as a crack addict for so long, right? They made $9 billion. By the way, they made, you know how much earned media that we calculated,

that I had somebody come up to me and calculate that they made off of Hunter Biden laptop? nine and a half billion dollars, nine and a half billion dollars in clickbait that they put in their pocket. Well, fuck them. I'm taking it back. Every time you say laptop now, every time you say laptop now,

thank you, ding ding, for real. I mean it. It's like, and here's another thing, I mean, for real. Like, you, what are you going to say about me that you already haven't said? I'm a crack addict and this and that and the other thing.

you know what I know who I am I know who I have a responsibility to I know the people that I need to take care of in my life that I want to take care of in my life my family and and I am not the narrative that that has been told about me I get to go out and tell it now you know what this gives me the ability to do to keep doing it to not be beholden to anybody to not have to go and get a in corporate shill job and chill for some you know uh uh uh somebody that I have no trust in or care for what they're selling. I get to go out and sell what I'm selling. You're a show for myself.

Yeah, exactly. And by the way, to talk about all the shit that we just talked about. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I listen out there. And I think all the other people hear this like cacophony of like competing voices. I don't. I hear the underneath of it.

I hear where everybody's saying the same thing over and over and over and over again in just different ways. That's what I hear. And like you said, like, so, why would I go and sit down with Steiny? Why would I go and sit down with Neon? Why would I go and sit down with Tucker Carlson? Why would I go and sit down with Bill Maher?

Why would I go down? Because, you know what? They all have a different audience. Some of them overlap. Some of them don't. But you know what? I get to go out there and say, hey, you're not, don't.

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Well, I guess they gotta go back into your stuff a little bit specifically. There was like certain photos and you, like have you addressed those things? Yeah. Like in detail? They were me. They were me.

They were you. Yeah. Do you mean like me having sex in a motel room? There was other ones. There was like, there was ones with like a bunch of, I feel like it was like a bunch of, I don't know.

It was like a bunch of girls putting their feet on you. No. Totally. And by the way, go listen to the tapes, the Bannon Gao tapes. There are tapes that you can get off of Mother Jones an article that Dan Friedman wrote in which he has recorded conversations between Gao and Miles Gao, this expat billionaire Chinese dissident who's now serving 64 years in prison for fraud, and Steve Bannon, who was his partner.

And they literally took a hard drive to New Zealand, and then they, and they filled it with, like, fake photos and stuff like that and pushed it out to push a pedophile thing. Like, so, you know, like all of that. All of that is fake. And by the way, provable, provably fake. Yeah, they did a bunch of that with your father, too, with like kissing girls.

Yeah, yeah. Total bullshit. Yeah. I mean, the one that they always used as it relates to that is like, you know, Joe Biden sniffed. It all started because my brother's funeral, My nephew is standing in front of him, and he has his hands around his head, and he'd leaned down, and he's kissing his head as the caskets going by, my brother's, his dad's

casket. You know, I mean, Jesus Christ, look, man, you can say a lot of things about my dad. But he got elected when he was 29 years old. Youngest man ever elected the United States Senate in modern history before senators, when senators were elected by popular vote rather than appointed. No, by the way, he was saying crazy back in the day. Oh, yeah, man. like crazy shit on CNN or C-SPAN, whatever it was.

I was like, holy shit. Yeah, man. That was a different time. Yeah, yeah. Different time. Yeah. Crazy. Bro, I wish I would have pulled this up so bad, but I don't even know what to type in Google.

Yeah. But anyways, yeah. But anyway, but anyway, yeah. So, like, you know, but people see through that. But not everybody does. So, I mean, the single most, you know, I think, you know, the bot troll on X is, you know, to call somebody a pedophile. Because it's the worst thing that you can possibly call them.

And it's an old tactic. That's what they did to Drake. Yeah, what they did. Yeah, I mean, it's a worst thing that you can say about somebody. And so if you can believe that about somebody, then you, you know what? You can believe that they've taken a little on the side, you know, and for, you know, selling influence or you can believe that they can, you know.

And literally, it's, you know, it was a, it was a technique that was perfected by the Nazis against, people and then later used by Putin and you know it's been used by you know every single you know probably intelligence operation. Massad maybe. What? Maybe Massad a little bit. Yeah.

Because the whole Epstein thing is like that's that's the argument is like it's sort of a blackmail on politicians to get them in course them to do what they want them to do. Yeah, but here's another thing too. He's about that. So I look at all this stuff. It's not the politicians. I mean, he had maybe some politicians, Trump. But you know who it really is?

It's the real power, like you said. Yeah, the business people. It's the real powerful people. Yeah, who are then influencing the politicians. Yeah, exactly. All of the names that are on there are names that 99% of Americans never heard of before they hear their names in the Epstein files. Like, who knew who fucking Leon Black was, you know, or whatever his name is.

You know, I don't know if that's the correct name if I just named them wrong. but like, you know, like all of those names, combining those people with people in power. And, you know, like, and mixing them on the, you know, on the same private business jet, where you go into the back room and get a massage. Yeah. You know what I mean.

Faxner's funding the whole thing. Les Waxner, that's what I was saying, not Liam Black. Sorry. So that's, when it comes to that, like, why do they have just immunity to everything? Why do everyone, why, why would our government redact things? Exactly.

Exactly. Why? And I think we can all come to our own conclusions. I think that was a, I'm sorry, I think that was a really big inflection point of, because to me it feels like at this point, they're kind of just being like, you can't do about it.

Yeah. That's exactly what it feels like. And I think that's what most people. He just said, you know, like over my dead body. And what are you going to do? Everybody thinks that the midterms, which I really, really hope go well.

And I think that at least you have a shift. and control of power, not for the reasons that you think, because I think everything's going to be fixed. At least, though, it will, like, staunch the bleeding that's happening. I think it's just going to make us bleed from a different direction. That's how this all feels. Maybe, man.

I hate that it's a little more cynical, but now I'm kind of tired, and I don't want to argue with you. Because it takes energy to argue and to be an optimist, because you kind of got to go, you got to get, you know, and that's part of it, too. it's like human nature yeah like what like like like what like what the like what do i care you know what i mean like like you wake up in the morning and you're like particularly for me and you like pick up your phone and it's like you know oh you know another 450 you know 4 000 people on x you know

calling me this that or the other thing because i said this that or whatever it's like what you know what i'm going to do my own thing i think that's the purpose. I think that's part of the effort. Like I said earlier, I think it's to make people, as many people as possible, feel nihilistic and, like, think that there's no hope. And then if there's no hope, then you have no ability to come out and say, you know, we're actually going to change this, actually going to be a revolt. We're going to change it. Yeah. So, you know what? That's the thing, man. You got to either, you know, like, you got to care enough. And just remember, even when we're talking about when I'm saying people got to care, it's a really finite

group of people. Fast majority of people don't even know what the fuck we're talking about. Do you know what I mean? Like they're just living their lives. They can tell you who the vice president was, maybe not even the president. You know, they shouldn't they couldn't tell you the last president was and you know, who their senator. Good luck. I, like, I watch those like men on the street interviews and like, you know, when people can't pick out the state they live in and I like, well, that makes me a few countries. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, you like,

like, holy shit. but they can name every, you know, starting, the starting line of, you know, the 1986, Alabama, you know, you know, football squad, but, you know, like, have no idea, you know, what we're talking about and other things. And I'm not saying it's because they're stupid, it's because they're led to believe that either it doesn't matter

or they're not, we haven't spent the money to be able to, money, time, dedication to, like, education, to, like, teach them people, but that's a whole other discussion. Yeah. I mean, it really is. I don't even want to get into that because I don't even, I don't even know. And here's the other thing sometimes I feel awful about. It's like, here, I go out and I get to spout about all this stuff. And I'm, you know, I'll do whatever the, you know, like I say, well, what's the solution? You know what I mean? I wish I could come on here and say, and I have the answer. But I don't trust people who say that. Like, what the fuck you're talking about? It's like you. I can get, like, I've come your way on, like, you know, have things. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Like, we've been able to have a discussion. You probably thinking you would disagree with me. But I don't.

I don't disagree with you. Yeah. Like half the shit, not 90% of this, really. And that doesn't make for fireworks. You know, I don't know how viral this one's going to go. Hey. I should have brought a crap pipe and see. Yeah, yeah.

By the way, you all do this together? Yeah, no. That would have gone by the way. That, that I would have run out of the room. Yeah. No, I would never do that. Yeah. You know what?

or stop you like please don't no I would never do it no I know I know you're joking I know you're joking but you know sometimes that's the only way to also get people's attention and the other reason I like I'll talk to anybody for the purpose of that I do I do believe it's worth caring

yeah yeah yeah I have a hard time with that one I think you asked me earlier about like having kids and I'm just like man yeah I really want to but as this progresses just sort of like in what world. And when I sat part to say, I also think that's by design. Yeah.

I mean, population rates, everything is. Yeah. Once you have the kid, you almost have to become more optimistic. Yeah. You really do.

Because that's the only reason. Like, what do I? Like, I'm 56. Yeah. Like I can, I can,

I can tough it out for the next 40 years. You know what I mean? Yeah. But like the, the, but I don't want my kids to have to. I really don't. And that's why I have to,

believe. And that's the other side of it too is, you know, like in your experience, they're more good people than they're a bad man. I really believe that. Maybe not online, but in real life, when you walk down the street, you know, when you go to the repair shop and, you know, you go to the gym, more good people than they're not bad. It's like in the gym. Yeah, every time. You always got an asshole. But the vast majority of the people you go there, you become a community together. You all know each other. You all look at, you know, you all got each other's backs, you know, some rivalries and some guy that doesn't wipe down the, you know, the bench when he gets off every time. And you know what? But like most people are good people.

Yeah. And I think everything's like a microcosm of that. I mean, I think those are all microcosms of us. I really do believe that. And I think that, you know, there used to be those kind of places where, you know, you didn't have to show your voter ID card in order to be able to be able to to, you know, earn a sense of legitimacy or, you know, be welcome. And you still don't. People don't, you know. But we think that the other side is evil and everybody is, I had one guy, a friend who's really been hurt by MAGA, like, for real, like really, really been attacked and I don't

want to say who it is, but really, like, life upended and ruined unfairly, completely unfairly. And I went on, you know, Tucker. And he was like, that. Like, I think I lost a friendship over it. And I said to him, like... Just because you spoke to the sort of other side. Well, the story of this person, and I don't want to say it because it's not fair of me to say,

but the story of this person is, they almost took his life. They ruined his life. Absolutely ruined his life. And Tucker and Candice and like, they were all a big part of it, a big part of it. And he's like, Like, Hugh Hunter, like, kumbaya bullsh, I was like, look, man,

if anybody has earned the right to make the decision for themselves of whether they're going to talk to Tucker Carlson, who literally did hours of documentary, you know, you know, shows on me saying I was a degenerate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's me. I get to make that choice. Right. You know, and I always say to people is that if I expect the grace of their forgiveness

for being a degenerate crack addict, then you know what? I got to be willing to, if it's sincere. And Tucker's was sincere to me. Yeah. He was like, I f***ed up, man. Like, I didn't know the whole story, and it was wrong of me.

Kansas is the same way. That doesn't mean I agree with 90% of what Kansas says. And maybe not 90, maybe 70. Like, by the way, it's not 90%. It's a lot less than that, but a lot of things I don't agree with. Instead of putting percentages on it. and a lot of the things that Tucker did,

particularly when he was at Fox News, which he says that he's embarrassed, that he regrets deeply. Have you ever heard that on Tucker? Have you ever heard him say what he said to anybody else other than me? Is that for the 10 years, the 15 years that he worked at Fox News is the only thing in his life that he regret

and doesn't regret anything more in his life than that than being of service to that corporate beast? No, that was the first time I heard it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, I think, a big deal. For me, it was. I know, just on a personal level.

But to be able to, you know, to be able to like elicit that and not in a shaming way, but to go, yeah, now I get it. Like he said, he was, it was ego, it was narcissism, it was money. You know what people can relate to that. That's facts.

And every fucking job, and every, like in your industry. For sure. A lot of shit that some of your colleagues and peers are willing to do with sponsorships or other people or guests that they have on for ego and narcissism and money because we all have it, you know? And we can rationalize it and we can do

and it's human nature. And people f*** up. Wake up the next day and if you can do this, say, I f*** up. Like, radical honesty about it. Like, this is the reason that I did that. You know what? Maybe it was wrong.

Yeah. You know? Well, it sounds like you related to that because you're a past, right? You fucked up in certain ways. Obviously. 100%. Yeah.

That's my point. Yeah. Is that? Is it like I was forced into it. I was forced into a radical honesty. It was either radical honesty or death for me. Like I had to say, yeah, I was crack at it. You know why? Because there's about 462 pictures of me smoking crack. Like I didn't, like it wasn't some courage on my part. I wish I could say that it was some courage that I woke up and I go, you know what? I'm going to get real honest with you. Yeah. But the truth of the matter was is that instead of going to like some mountain cave with the Shaolin monk and, you know, meditating for seven years and coming out and being like radical honesty.

You know, it was like, I either get out of bed and live in that radical honesty of the front cover of the New York Post or I fucking stay in bed and die, you know? Yeah. And so I just chose to live, which is more just animal instinct than it is courage. Yeah. Yeah. Changing topics a little bit. What do you think your favorite conspiracy is?

Okay. So here's, if you've ever read a book. called, you got to read a book called The Devil's Chess Board. And maybe I shouldn't recommend that to you. It's just going to fucking do you down a fucking rabbit hole. You're going to get so much darker than you already are. The Alan Dulles, who was like the second head of the CIA, and his brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State.

The two of them, but particularly Allen, were incredibly, incredibly powerful people. And Alan Dulles was the architect of the modern. in CIA. And what he, post-war War II, and he's the guy that protected all the top Nazis. He actually literally flew and, like, gathered them up because he and his brother were making millions and millions of dollars as lawyers for the people that were funding the Nazi party in the German industrial state, okay, before the war started. They were out and out, like, pro-killer. And they ended up running the CIA. He ends up running the CIA. And,

hate it Kennedy hated Kennedy. Now, I'm not saying that but if you read this book it's very difficult to walk away

and not think that the CIA not, maybe not directly but by virtue of things in individuals that they set into motion ended up being related to

and have a causal effect for the assassination of JFK. I do believe that. There's a thing in law school that you learn in Torch. Tort is like civil law, like when you see somebody if you get hurt. And so there's a thing called the Pauls Graf test. The Pauls Graff test is this, is that somebody does something,

and somewhere along the line an injury occurs. And I forget the exact example. of Paul's graph, the plaintiff, was he got injured by a train pulling into a station. And so the question was, was it the engineer or was it the conductor who pulled the thing that did this, that, that, and the other thing. And you've got to do this series of tests. Like, how far down the line can you attribute cause to what the injury that happened? Yeah. I don't know how far down the line Alan Dulles is in the CIA to the assassination of Kennedy. But they're in the line somewhere.

I mean, you can't walk away from the actual evidence and the facts of everything leading up to that without coming to the conclusion that in some way or another, we set into motion ourselves. Yeah. Within our government, the assassination of Kennedy for allow it to happen.

Yeah. I wonder why. That's a Bay of Pigs. He wanted to dismantle the CIA. He and his brother, JFK, hated the CIA and hated what they were doing. They had amassed so much power outside of the constitutional authority of the executive that he was like this. They're the ones that gave him bad information on the Bay of Pigs almost caused the, you know, the annihilation of the earth with the nuclear embargo when the Russians were sending nuclear missiles to Cuba, you know, and the Cuban missile crisis and all that. And so Kennedy blamed them for all of the bad intel that they had given about how they could take out Castro.

There's so many conspiracies around that one, specifically, JFK. Yeah. And so that's all I'm saying, though. I'm not saying, but I'm saying that it's hard to not walk away. Which leads you to opens you up to this other question is, you know, do I think there are feds? No, but do I think that there are parts of the federal government in the same? CIA in particular and other agencies that most people don't know

what the acronyms were, the initials are that are using cutouts to influence people in the media? 100%. Yeah. 100%. And that's why I like to listen to John Carriaco because he explains that at like a granular detail.

Yeah. Like how it works. Like what they do, how they do it. And he always points out what I believe is like nobody's stupid enough like to be direct. It's not like you know, by the way, other than Pete Hakeseth, who's decided to pay a bunch of influencers out of the DOD budget

to chill for the new Department of War. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. What, I mean, bro, one of mine is probably the alien thing. I feel like that's going to be the last thing. The last card they pull before, like, it all implodes.

Aliens. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I see. I don't even know what to believe it was that. You never have your dad about the aliens? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Do they, I feel he got to know something. No, I promise you. Look, I know my dad well enough for my whole 56 years. He wouldn't be able to like not like have a, you know, like, but it's not even the thing. I think as they're hiding it from us. They're hiding it from the president because there's no way that, you know, that, I mean, I know, but you know how much Bill Clinton talks. I mean, literally you put him in a room.

He won't, he talks more than me, my dad and when my brother was alive together. and we talk a lot. There's no way that it's, now that doesn't mean that someone, some, that, but here, you know, what's his name? The science, the scientist, I love him. What's his name? Tyson?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no. It's just not, like, he makes the point that, like, you don't understand how vast this universe is. Like, you have no, It's impossible to conceive, you know, like, what is it? You take all the grains of sand in the world and they still don't equal the number of suns, not just planet, the number of stars and not just planets.

And that if aliens had the capacity to come to visit, they would clearly have the capacity for us not to be able to see them. Right. And like it would have to be such an advanced level of technology that the idea that the only way that we were able to see them is because, you know, some guy in a 35 millimeter film camera just got a shaky thing or it's the black and white from the nose of an, you know, an F-16, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just feel like we did all this before. Because you know all the world's been destroyed, like, but I think it's like five times. Okay, like you're Graham. What's his name?

Plattenor? Not Plattenor. Graham. The guy that's on Rogan all the time, the historian that has like the alternate history. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does the Netflix show. Yeah, yeah.

I love that shit. I think that's it. I think we've done this before. We got to a point. By the way. Some people got away and they became a different sort of. So I do not. I think so too.

I mean, I think that if there's any, and I don't think that it was aliens. I think that probably that it's the... I think it was us. Yeah, us. It's a super ball form. Like we're talking about the AI advancing so much that we implant a chip and we're going in that direction and then it's

just like, all right, we have enough technology. We're gone. This place is gone. Then they're coming back and being like, look at these idiots. They're doing the same. I love thinking about that in the context of our philosophy. I don't know if you've ever read that it's the Upanishads, like the Bukavada, Gita and

you know, like 35, 100 year old script here. I've seen things. I'll send you the, it's like, I mean, it's all the perennial philosophy. You realize that throughout all of history, basically all of the deep religions, all of the great world's religions and faiths have said the same almost exact thing over and over and over again. Yeah. Is that we are all, basically, we're all one thing. Like there's, there's a literal, not only physically, but metaphysically, we're like all one thing. And, um, and about consciousness and things like that. But anyway, my point is that it makes you, like, realize you read, like, these texts

and, like, you know, thousands of years before, you know, a Bible was ever conceived or written. And it's the same exact ideas. And you, like, think, and then you find, like, what's the place in Turkey, Teglia Tepe, or, you know, that's, like, they can't explain, you know, it's way, older than the pyramids. It's way older. Or the guy, have you seen that guy that was just on Sean Ryan? He said, you know, there are more pyramids in North America than any, than anywhere in the Middle East, in larger. Like in, like, you know, but they're finding them through LIDAR, like

these giant pyramids. Like Aztec stuff? Yeah, but in North America, like in New Orleans and up the Mississippi and these like giant, which completely changes. LIDAR like surveying under. Yes, exactly. So there's this guy called, I think it's like LIDAR America or something like that. It's like a Facebook page in which he goes and he maps these like, you know, these giant pyramid structures. Yeah. They're all up and down the Americas, including here in North America. Yeah. Well, like you said, this, you kind of talked about the consciousness thing. And I kind of mentioned earlier.

I think that's what all of this is sort of a, I don't know, a corraling of our actual collective consciousness. I think all of this negative, everything, is to keep everyone at a certain point because I think truly that's the most powerful thing that as a creature we have is our ability to create what exists. Because you've got to think, beyond what God created, in my perspective, right?

The earth, he created us then. I do agree we're all one and I do agree that that collective consciousness and our ability to make the world what we want it to be is why everything actually exists. I mean, truly, I mean, you think about it on a small scale, right? Like me creating like this company or me creating like this being,

someone creating these hands. It starts with an idea. Yeah. It starts with that, oh, I can make this possible. This is your consciousness. Yeah. Whether it's subconscious because you've been thinking about it or it's conscious because you're actively doing it.

Yeah. That is the driving force of humanity. Yeah. And I think all this sort of like, you know, algorithm plug in that we're sort of a part of now without really any say. because like everything is it's been sort of like marketed to us as the new the new iPhone the new this the new that like you got to update you got to do this it's slowly corraling our consciousness to wherever i think the people who are way way up here way above our pay grade are the ones who are like

aware super aware somehow that that's why this exists that's why everything exists so you if you can control and capture this consciousness you can control and capture movement of money movement of anything. And I think like that's the real sciop is like how do we get people to all think what we want them to think? Because if they do that, that's what exists. I think truly that's what all this is about without a doubt. And I think when I talked about the alien thing, I think it was like a maybe some sort of version coming back and being

like, oh yeah, you know, this is the most powerful tool. And then the people taking it and taking into this crazy ass level that we've gotten it now and just sort of doing whatever they want with it. And that's why I think it feels so evil sometimes because I don't think it's from a place of good for a majority of people. It's for a place of good of a very few number of people. I think that's why we're here.

I think it's the consciousness and our ability to create. Because you've got to think like in life, what are the most powerful emotions? What do you think are the most powerful emotions? Love and hate? Yes. And that's why I think good and evil. Yeah. And it seems like just based on if we're looking at our world, there's obviously a lot of good.

But it seems like we've just constantly over the years, it's got deeper and deeper into the hate side, into the dark side. But don't you see cycles? It does, but it goes in the same direction. It cycles with different sort of topics or pain points or like things. You know, say, for example, immigration or religion or their religion versus my religion. I think this goes way far. Like we were just talking about like pyramids that have been here, scriptures or things that people have thought for thousands of years before these things that we go the Quran the Torah you know these are 3,000 years old 4,000 2000 right it's been a thing it's this idea of like this collective consciousness I think it's been a thing and and and I think this

movement towards the negative it's some people thing moving it there yeah have you um have you ever talked to chase Hughes no You should really talk to him. Have you ever taken mushrooms? Yeah. I love mushrooms. I've done... I did Irigan.

I did Irigan. I did... You were done ayahuasca? Yeah, I've done I won three times. Oh, dude. I'm crazy. Somebody keeps urging me that there's a really, really reputable place thinking in Costa Rica. Yeah, that is, um, that, um, I've just, you know, being an addict.

And by the way, I don't have any inclination as a, relates to psychotropic drugs in any way. And I think that they're the least addictive thing that you can possibly do. I mean, I did 5MEO3 and the actual Toad Venom after I did Ibegain. Yeah. And it was- Those are intense. Yeah.

No. But it was the most profound experience of my, one of the most profound experiences in my life. And it probably lasted 10 minutes. I didn't know if it was 10 minutes or 10 days in the midst of doing it. But the, and it was profound. But I never had to, like, this desire to go back and do it. You know what I mean?

Like you do with, like, you know, like with, you know, cocaine or crack. Yeah, those are more of those dopamine hits that are crazy. And so, but Chase, huge, I think is probably, he did Intervenous. And he writes about it. And he talks about it. Intervenus 5MEO3 for the longest than anyone, I think, ever has done it. And he had this incredible story of his own brain disease that he had. And he thought that was, and anyway, it's a, you should look up Chase Hughes.

He's a former kind of intelligence operator, profiler, really, really, really, really smart, really, really deep thinker on this level and talks about it as particularly as I've ever heard anybody talk about it. But it's also like a real guy with real life experience. is really cool. But he talks about, he first went down with 5MEO3 and, you know, those laser experiments

that I figured out where they would see the, like the architecture of the, quote unquote, the matrix. Right. And the thing. Really fascinating stuff. Really fascinating stuff. And, you know, I find all of that fascinating.

I read about it all the time. I, you know, I, and I'm not just talking about psychotropics or, but philosophy and, um, and history and how they intersect in, and all of the things that you were just talking about, about consciousness. I don't think that there's any new idea under the sun. So what people talk about today in terms of the matrix is, you know, I mean, literally, you could read it about it in the upon a shot. It's, you know, this idea that there is a, um, that this is a, um, that this is a, um, and, and that there is a, um, that there is a designer. and that,

anyway, it's, it's, it's fascinating to me. I've written a lot about it too on my substack. And, and, and so it's, it's really, really fascinating. What's the name again? Can you write this down? Chase Hughes. And he's obviously alive. Oh, yeah, no, Chase is out.

Get, get him, you should do it. Yeah, I would love to talk to him. Yeah, he just wrote a book about, anyway, you should do it. He's, he, I've only, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I found somebody that knew him and picked up the phone and just said, I love what you do. And I've talked to him on text a couple times, but I have no other relationship with him than that,

that I watch him all the time. He says this one thing, which I think is one of the most profound things, because it resonated so much with me. He said, what is the single most used phrase and word in the Bible, the Quran, you know, the Torah, which is part of the Bible, the, what do you think it is? It's do not fear.

And his point about it is, is that fear is literally the controlling factor in almost everything that we do. And it's fear of outcomes, fear of being found out, fear of, you know, it's always our decision, many of our decisions, particularly the ones of the, I know in my life, I'll speak for myself. the ones that I regret are the ones that I made out of fear. Fear of not having enough.

Fear of being left out. Fear of not making it. Fear of being found out. Fear of, you know, fear of, you know, just keep going down the list. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, it's like in the gym. Like not trying because you, you know, you don't say it's because you're afraid, but, you know, you're afraid to live that weight or you're afraid to, like, you know,

like sign up for that. competition or you're afraid, you know, I mean, all of the things that, that, that, uh, are, are all come from fear and fear is totally an illusion. Right. It is always literally an illusion. There's fear of the tiger that's in, you know, in the bushes. You know what I mean? But like, that's not the fear that's talking about. It's all of that other fear that drives everything that we do. Yeah. Well, dude, like I was saying earlier, go back to the ideas of love and hate. Fear kind of lags on hate, right? Yeah. And then if you think about that, like I said, this coercion of consciousness, you think about all the things that we've done, right? The fear, the fear, the fear of COVID fear,

the war, uh, fear of Muslims, fear of this religion versus that religion. It's all, it's, that's what I'm saying. I believe the people who are here are tapped into the, the knowing of this is the massive mover. Here's what I think though, dude, is that there are these people over here that are on the love side. I think that there are warriors for good. I think that there are people. I think that it is a collective people. And it is not whether they're above or below anybody else. I think collectively together there are people that want what is best for this world and best for their not just, and it starts with their family. Wants what's best for their family. They want what's best for their community. They want what's best for their neighbors. And their

neighbors may extend out to what's best for Palestinians, what's best for Israelis. And I know now I'm sound untrually like kumbaya but i do believe i do believe that it is ultimately about good versus evil and i believe in the good i absolutely believe in the good and you asked me at the very beginning of this why are you doing this not because i can change any of it but you know what i want to stand up and be counted for on the side of the good let me actually try it just try yeah just try okay so I got to throw this in here. I saw a clip of you saying this and I have to address it. Okay.

Yeah. You said you were 48.5% gay. What? So that means there's like half the time? Dude. Dude. I was sitting, um, uh, oh God, with, um, I'm sorry. I just, I had to do it.

Yeah. Luke Beasley, who's a wonderful guy. He's fucking funny as shit. And he said, okay, this is what we're going to do at the beginning of this. it's going to be like between two ferns, you know, like with, you know, that show between two firms. And he said, I'm going to throw all of this stuff out to you. And I said, and here's what I want you to say.

And I said, don't show me what you want to say. I'll just say it. And when he asked that question, I was like, yeah, I'm 48.5%. And then it went viral. I think of it across the whole LGBTQ community was like, Hunter Biden is 48.5% gay. Yeah, because that means like half a time. Yeah, pretty much.

No, zero percent of the time. So it's a troll? Yeah, it was just joking. Okay, cool. All right. You never thought about it? You never thought about it? Have I, no.

Not even on the crack days? No, not even on the crack days. Wow, okay. Yeah, no. Not on the crack days. I'm 100%, but I'm 100% an advocate for the community. One of the things is my daughter,

Maisie, who's one of the most amazing artists and human beings in the world, and she's proudly gay. And she said to be, Dad, you'd never talk about it. And one of the things that people don't realize, if you're my age, 56, our kind of civil rights movement was the LGBT at that time community. And the reason is, is because my friends, when they wanted to come out, they didn't until in their 30s, because of the shame and ridicule that they would be put through.

And so guys, your age don't, like, really recognize how hard it was for people to live openly and be themselves. And so anyway, it's something that I care about. And so I don't mind, I don't mind the community thinking that I'm 48.5% but the truth is I'm zero percent. Okay, fair. All right.

I'm glad we cleared it up. Yeah. By the way, the interesting last question, I will tell you that. Yeah, yeah. Had that throw that in there. So I appreciate your time, man. That was awesome.

Yeah. Thanks. Really good. Yeah. Really, really good. Yeah. So you, you're doing like social media full time? now that's your thing so right now i'm um uh peak path health is a rehab that i'm associated with

here in l a but when i'm starting as a foundation it's called the peak path health foundation and what we're trying to do is build a uh a free aftercare for people that can't afford after they get out of their 30 days i think the biggest gap is in what happens then most people don't have the means or the or the ability they have to go back to whatever situation they're in So I'm trying to build a modeled off some really good programs. So what are the main social media thing they can find you on Twitter? Oh, you can find me on, yeah, you can find me on X. You can find me, go to Substack.

Go to my substack. That's the close thing. And you can go look at my art at Hunterbiden.com. I'm paying every day. Oh, yeah. I paint every day. I mean, I, if I, like, I'll leave here now and, and I got some other things to do. But before I go to bed, I'll definitely try to finish something on something when I'm working on right now.

Yeah, hell yeah. I'll always paint. Yeah. Awesome, bro. Yeah. Best style. I mean, it's like a different version of the gym. It's like a different sort of painting.

100%. Yeah. So every Tuesday, I love you guys. I can use the gym too. Yeah, well, fuck. Me too, man. I think slacking. Are you looking at you.

Every 11 a. 11 a.m. Tuesday, I love you guys. I'll see you next week. Thank you so much for coming on, man. Yeah. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you.