RAWTALK - Togi on Nearly Dying, Quitting Drugs & Testosterone & Why Looksmaxxing Beats Bodybuilding

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Sponsored by: Ridge Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% OFF!@Ridge with code RAWTALK at https://www.Ridge.com/RAWTALK #ridgepod #sponsored On this episode of RawTalk, Brad sits down with Togi and talks about reinventing yourself from the ground up, why extreme measures are sometimes the only path to real success, the cost of chasing credibility, looksmaxxing, abusing risk versus playing it safe, the psychology behind viral attention, drugs vs discipline, money, karma, and what it really takes to escape mediocrity & much more!Sponsor RAWTALK: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/rawtalkSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

Well, because now he's the credibility because you always like, it's just like getting jacked. Like you can't talk about fitness advice if you're not 260 pounds. Yeah. And then once you're jacked, regardless of how you got there, people are like, all right, I'm going to listen to you. Yeah. It's funny how that works.

That kind of plays right into his. Is it recording? it plays right to his point of like getting in like yeah it's a crazy the whole like you have to look good or no one's going to listen and respect you and now he does yeah and that definitely makes sense in the fitness base that's for sure so have you have you have you ever like you've been said you following the stuff that he's done like you've seen him have you ever been interested in trying any of that shit yeah bro you know i'm getting uh next week i'm i got a visit at the doctor's point man i'm getting awkward

No, no, no, I'm getting, bro, bro, okay, aquilix and microneedling. So they go in there and you know what aquilix is? No. It's a fat dissolver. So they inject it right here. So where, what the camera? What camera looking at me? You can see like right here, you have like some.

And it's not like I have body fat. Like there's some, but like it's like disproportionately extra here and some loose skin. So they go in there, inject it dissolves the fat, dissolves the fat in your cheeks. And then the microneedling like tightens the skin. so it's going to make like over a course of three weeks I'll have like a way sharper face and then I do it all like

the bone mashing I actually do I love it. No no bro Brad you got to no I'm telling you bro it's I feel like I'm having the same you don't already had this conversation with cloud like you look at a UFC fighter did you talk about that like UFC fighters are very handsome

because they get bone mashed nonstop hard for life that's how you build and if you could strategically bone mash Like only punch where you want tissue, dude, you're going to look good. So you've done this? I did looks maxing before, well, not necessarily before Cloud, but the first time I got popular was four years ago, Jordan Barrett. And it was like the OG, like the X, you like, I just want to be your sweetheart.

You know what I'm talking about? Maybe not. Either way. Nah. The point is, I loved it way back in the day. And that's why I started taking like the testosterone and all that stuff. Wait. So that started because of looks maxing and not.

fitness? Well, it all plays into one thing. I wanted a sharper jawline and bigger muscles. And now I care more about the sharper john line than muscles. Because it's more impressive. Interesting. You think having a sharper jawline is more impressive than muscles? Oh, 100% dude. Because anybody can get big muscles. But your face is the only part A that you can't cover. You can't fake it. It's always out in the world to see. And it's way, way harder to actually get a sharp jawline because you have to get like surgery and you have to be doing all these like really weird like drugs cosmetically not just taking testosterone and super droll to get like big muscles and like the diet when you're bodybuilding you can get away with protein shake and cereal for breakfast

because the macros fit into play but when you're trying to look max the macros and the micros need to be perfect or your skin's going to look weird and like so I'm battling now I'm trying to fix my acne scars from all the steroids we do. Yeah, so is that a thing in the past now or what? Bodybuilding? Yeah, and just not fitness in general, because I'm assuming you're going to continue to work out, but like the steroids,

bodybuilding, that whole stuff. Yeah, no, I mean, I still love fitness, but I'm kind of tapped out on like, taking grams of steroids

and trying to be like a bodybuilding. Because that was a good. Last time we talked, this is exciting. This is like, when's the last time we did a podcast year and a half ago? Yeah, yeah,

about that. And that was like when I was first, Coming up at the time, I think we filmed that right after one of my, like my best video, Togi versus Carbo and I was doing a ton of stairs. I was like three grams of steroids at the time, a ton of drugs. Yeah. And I really wanted to be a bodybuilder and famous. And now that's kind of like way on the back burner.

Because my blood work from back then, I lit like my kidneys were that of like a 90 year olds. And the kidneys suck because you can't get that back. Like it's getting better. Yeah. But once the kidneys, like I couldn't keep pushing my kidneys because it was like. Like, as far as my genetic composition or whatever, like, I could do anything to my liver and it'll always be good. Yeah. But unfortunately, the kidney side, like the more difficult one to fix is like way more sensitive to drugs.

So I was like, we kind of got to bail on it. Yeah. I'm going to die. Yeah. What you were doing, were you overdoing drugs that were affecting the kidneys then? Yeah. I didn't know this until. And people make fun of me for it.

I had no idea that taking pills. but when I, the night I overdosed, the doctor was like, your kidneys are fucked. And I'm like, how? And he's like, well, you took, you know, like 30 meth pills. And I was like, dude, who would have known that? That pills is bad for your kidneys? I thought it was just steroids. Now I know.

So it was, you didn't know that either. You just learned that you're laughing like you knew that, bro. You didn't know. I know it's a fact you didn't know that until just this second. And so now it's like the combination of everything, I had no idea it was bad for my kidneys. And I also was under the impression that you could take, you know, whatever steroids you want. And as long as you take Tell Me Sartan, I really thought that. I didn't know what was going on.

I was like, okay, like I'm chilling. I wasn't chilling. And now so the new goal, my whole outlook on everything has been like new goals and everything. I want to get better blood work than Greg Doucette because he's always been fucking with me. And he was right back then. He was like, Toki's going to die. And I was like, fuck you, Greg, I'm awesome. Yeah.

He was right. I was totally going to die. But now he's like still kind of living in my head rent free. So I'm going to try and get healthier than him. I'm getting close. Like my blood work is crazy good these days. Well, like comparatively. But it's like working in the right direction.

Yeah. And so the whole like abusing drugs and well, okay, how do I, how do I say this? That entire, my entire come up was like very similar to, um, clabs in the sense that I did it the easy route the easy route is there even an easy route one second

yeah by the way he didn't want to drink out of this mug here because it's I guess more cumbersome because I'm not a bitch ass motherfucker bro it is so inconvenient I asked Brad for a water oh yeah I got you I go to the bathroom he comes like you got a Mario mug he did have a point though

we were walking here he's like see I got to stop just to fucking take a sip fucking inconvenient but either way so the easy route like well i don't know how did you start when you started doing social media bro i was just i was just so interested in bodybuilding it was just like i'm just going to train there wasn't there wasn't there wasn't it wasn't like what it was now you know you're going into something i just did it like i'm a bodybuilder and i read about an app coming out and i just started like telling people to follow me on in person which was youtube no it was instagram so instagram was the first app that i actually

So you were like LARP and IRL. You're walking up to people like, yo. Yes. In 2010. 2010, bro. Damn, dude, that gives me the same vibe of like the people that got like a shitty car or whatever, but it's modded out and they put their Instagram on it. Like, nobody's going to follow you from night.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly what I was doing in real life. I was in the gym and I was like telling people to follow me. And it was back when it was so brand new. It was literally just on the iPhone app store. It wasn't on the Samsung app store, the Google Play Store. So they'd be like, yeah, I can't even doubt. I don't even know what that app is. I can't download it. Oh, damn. So that you had like a big

kind of first movers advantage. Like you were like one of the first. Yes. Content creators. Yeah. I didn't know it was like when you asked me that question, how did I get into it? I didn't know it was going to be what it was because I was like a part of the inception of it. So I was just doing stuff that I was just a bodybuilder. And I just loved training. I was a trainer. And so I was, I started off just posting my my body and like my clients at the time because I had actual clients in person because I worked out of gym, I showed their transformations. That's how I started making content. Oh, okay. I would say, um, how do I, how do I phrase this? It's like, I say the easy way because it's so easy to the internet is like Play-Doh. You, the clip in the new clip era,

you don't need. So we have this podcast, most of the people that were watching this podcast are like reasonably intelligent people, whatever, but most views come from clips. and those people are idiots like it's so easy to you don't need like incredible content you just need a few clips like okay check this out ready for i'll give you the perfect example i'll do 250 million views right now incredibly easily just okay i feel like i know what's coming what are you laughing at the point is that if you're If you don't, if you don't, and everyone watching this knows that I'm not racist, I'm just proving a point of how easy it is to get like, you know, the attention of what people

would want. And now if you, if you don't bleep that out, that clip will do 250 million views. Not that I want that clip to do 250 million views because everyone's like, oh, he's racist, to do he's racist, this and that. I get it. So now I'm pivoting. Clav and I do the whole like, oh, you say like racist things, like you say to Nward and all that shit. And then you also talk about, I love drugs. I love steroids. And then it's like so

easy to be the bad guy and get the attention. But now I've like reworked it because I don't want to die. Yeah. You know what I mean? This is a really interesting point. I get what you're saying entirely about like the sensationalism of whether it be words or actions or taking steroids or talking about it outwardly. Do you think that's been like a good thing or a bad thing overall for like the world? because it's because it's become like people do it now because they know exactly what you're saying to be 100% true. Like I don't think you're a racist guy. I don't think you're a racist bone in your body.

I think you're really nice person. Like genuinely off camera, you're a good guy. So when I hear you say it, I get it. And I've seen in the past, I think you've had a few viral clips like with the, I don't know if it was that word or the,

you know, the version of it with an A, but just not the words I'm saying, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I understand why now people are so much more, maybe wanting people to just be themselves and say stuff that they don't you know they don't they don't have ill intent it'd be different if you got in some sort of weird situation and like you were fucking you said that and i think that quibbler and vile and then it'd be like oh wait

you're actually a bad guy because you mentioned it with ill intent yeah um but what i'm trying to say is the majority of the people the majority of like people who watch content whether it be the clips or even long form they're just kind of like there's tired of people pretending to not be genuine yeah but then it gets to the point of like it's hard to say yeah people appreciate a more it feels more genuine watching clav because he's not influenced by the sponsors so if you take somebody like mr beast they won't say that word because it's so uh what's the word corporate now so it feels like really like that's why kick streamers are so hot right now is because it feels very, like, grungy and raw.

Even though it's not, I don't think clav would be saying a lot of the things. It's not super authentic in the sense that he's kind of playing a persona, puffing his chest, just because Togi did it first and who did it before me, like whatever, Zerka did it before me. And like, he kind of paved this entire roadmap of like, oh, you can go viral. It's actually really easy. You just, like, turn yourself that. easiest way to go viral and this is funny actually do you remember your um old filmer jacob yes he edits

my youtube videos now and he was like i really want to get famous it's like okay i'll help you no problem first thing we got to do is gram of testosterone 500 milligrams of primo 40 million grams of super draw 60 milligrams of adderol and zanics a day just for a short period of time because he said by any means necessary and i'm just thinking what is the one thing in common between everybody like zirka clav me it's like shift your regular like reasonable mind into being like a crazy person where you actually believe some of the things that you're saying like back then I would say crazy shit I actually believe it so it feels authentic but it's not really the ideas that I like would ever come up with on my own

but those ideas are outlandish and it feels authentic so they go super viral and you're also like the bad guy but the bad guy with credibility so you're jacked you look good you look like clav and you're talking crazy people love that shit so it's like a hack if you want to go viral anybody could go viral you just need to take the bradley martin supreme in extreme measures yeah to testosterone to xanax dad or all i've never done well i've done zanx for a flight but i don't do zanx like i take testosterone obviously yeah yeah yeah the zanx is um well we i talked about this yesterday with santa cruz what were you like when you were you like when you were like 16 or like 17 18 as a person like were you like reasonably confident and jacked no i think

well when i was 17 i started to get more jacked yeah when i was 16 i was like just getting into the gym but it was like very light when i was 17 i started to get more serious about it but i wouldn't i wouldn't say i was super confident i was saying i was trying to find my confidence for sure okay so yeah well i would say in today's i guess it might be a slightly different back then as far as like what it takes to capture the attention but today it is super super super over for most men like you look at me pre social media and you look at clap pre social media these are just the examples i'm using because it's like i know the story very well clav was big time autistic weirdo togi was super insecure loser so it took extreme measures of turning myself with drugs and

That's what Clav does. And that's why Xanax is so great because I was like extremely insecure. And no, but this is important, right? Because it's not a permanent solution. It just, I needed that to get my altitude. For example, the last time we did a podcast, I took a Xanax and an Adderall before because I was too nervous because it's like, oh, we're on raw talk. Like this is a big moment.

You better do good, Toggi. But now I'm dead sober and I feel more confident that because I put myself in these situations so many times. Now I can, you know, I feel like I could talk to the world, fully confidence, sober, whatever, but old me, you couldn't practice, you couldn't, because here's the thing with failure is too much failure. A lot of people say, oh, just keep practicing, keep trying. Too much failure is not good. If you talk to 100 girls and get rejected 100 times in a row, the 101st time is not going to be any better. It's going to be worse than where you started. So if I came on in your podcast the first time, I bombed the shit out of them. I'm like, shaking nervous. It wouldn't, you know, we wouldn't be making progress. But I would take super draws zanics out of all things so i have ideas i can say them without anxiety and i did it so many times it was like faking the confidence so brutally until i became the guy through experience does that make sense yeah absolutely so you use these things sort of as a tool to be able to be more of what you wanted to be an asshole drink i'm all right sorry go ahead you you made these things

You use these things, obviously, with the intention of being able to be a better speaker or be more forthright, forthcoming with whatever you're saying without feeling like insecure about it. You don't think there was a way to do that without it? No, it was over for me. Like, I really genuinely mean that I was so insecure. Like, if you knew me at high school, you would be like, that's not togy. Like, I was very, very in my shell. And a lot of people say, at that time, now I'm cleaning up my act, trying to like live longer, whatever, learn about longevity, but at that time, everyone's like, Togi, you're going to die at 40, 50. And I was thinking, I would rather die at 50 because that version of Togi died when he's 18

because I would have been working the shitty 9 to 5 doing, going to a job, working for someone else, doing something I hate 10 hours a day, putting on a mask of myself, just sucking up to some dude. Life, that's not living by any means. So I was thinking, I have to do this and I have to become. something, not just become something more, become something different, a whole different person because the person that I currently am has none of the tools, the intelligence, the any confidence, anything to pull anywhere near like a level of success that would make me happy.

So that you have now, what you were then when you were 18, you mean? Yeah, exactly. You kind of like almost forced, like the intention. Yeah. And I hate motherfuckers that say like. oh just like you like you don't need the drugs to do it you blah blah they really those are all the people that started off like very confident like some people throughout high school throughout college they just have higher testosterone and they're more confident and they you know were like

typically like the people that are really good at sports growing up whatever like there's certain things about your genetics and you're coming up that just make you more confident and it's getting worse and worse and worse with more social media for kids and yeah talking to women is so much more difficult and so 95% of young men it's really over for and I empathize with that because that's how me and clav were is like you look at old videos of clab you're like damn yeah that kid he's a giga autist like he does not got it figured out but that's why I don't feel as if I was a bad influence because I'm not saying this is the only answer this is the only answer that I know works because I did it and I know it works. But in the crisis of

so many young men, it being just fully over for them, maybe there's another answer. Maybe you can preach positivity and stay healthy and get work out and do that. I don't think that shit works. I think you need hard drugs to transform your brain because it fucks with your like my brain chemistry is never going to be the same since I did all those drugs. And I think partially the reason I was so insecure to start is because I fucked my brain chemistry by smoking weed every day since I was like really young. So it's like if you already found yourself in your brain chemistry is fucked in a bad way because of you smoke too much weed or you watch too much porn growing up, you need something just as if not more aggressive as watching too much

porn, which would be in like the positive side of that would be taking a ton of testosterone. It's so funny because like I absolutely see your perspective. and like I can't I can't entirely argue against it but I but I can say like if I'm speaking from my own perspective I didn't take gear till I was like about 22 23 and I I just dealt with a bunch of shit and I just like hated myself for years and so I trained harder and harder I used that hate to like propel me to a point where okay now this makes sense but I don't think that would I think that would make someone a better man but in today's economy of of like how, I'm not like discrediting how outlandish you had to be back then.

I don't know exactly what it was like. But I would imagine because of how saturated it is in today's, you know, economy, you have to be 10 times more insane, 10 times better at talking because there's so much competition. Back then, it's like, who am I going to watch? I guess either Bradley Martin or Mark Zuckerberg, I don't know who was on Instagram back then. Christian Guzman or something like that. Yeah, I don't know who that is.

But what? That's funny. It's just funny. He's the owner of Al-Faleet. I don't know that. The gym? Yeah, the brand too, yeah. Al-F-Land, right?

Is the same brand thing? That's his gym brand, yeah. So it doesn't matter. But I see what you're saying. So you think now it's for someone to get to some level, they need to do something extreme. Obviously on the internet, I know that to be true. Well, I think you can be a confident, successful man.

if you are if you have a really strategic upbringing in the sense that you're not scrolling wrecking your dopamine and always obsessed with what they're doing you're focused on getting better at your sport but that's like very rare and you're not smoking weed you're focused on getting good grades and you're not focused on watching porn you're focused on talking to girls what percent of your men actually are living this existence versus this existence like I cooked myself it was done I was too far gone yeah so I had to bring it back I'd say this is half a percent of young men good grades girls sports that's like out of the picture these days yeah do you think if you didn't smoke weed and you didn't cook yourself earlier you could

have had a yeah yeah absolutely I think I could have done everything without the steroids but still not to the same degree because having the you know doing it the like right way like how you did and building your confidence through struggle is, like, great. But I don't think the ceiling is way, is unlimited when you open your eyes to just like, I'm just going to abuse drugs and do it. But you also have to strategically stop taking the drugs. You can't just like keep doing drugs forever because then it's like a up and down situation. You kind of, it's like a, it's like a meme coin, but with your life.

you got to sell the peak and then you're cooking today this is all like I should I could sell a course but I get probably in trouble for telling people to do drugs but I'm telling you this is like truly I truly believe the only way to fix a lot of young men and it's shitty and this is a good question yeah so we've established that I'm right you're you're right in a in a specific world for sure okay so I'm hearing that I'm right from you and right check this out okay if you had a kid he's 16 years old and all he does is watch porn smoke weed he won't talk to girls at what point and then you're like okay like let's get you let's get you right like we'll get you whatever you get a relationship with god and

all this good stuff and you start working on sports but then 17 now he's 20 and he's still just like a beta cuck because of what he is his you know when you're you're young your brain is like really really squishy and he he's just cooked at 20 are you going to call me up and be like dude you were right how where where do i get to x or are you gonna like how would you personally make your kid where he needs to be if he's like cooked like really understand that he's like so i can't go back and say hopefully that i raised him differently previously no no no no because we're talking like i have to assume that my kid is cooked even though i so that means i fucked up father and him younger.

Yeah, and this is more like an imagination, imaginary scenario for like other parents. Because I'm sure your kids will be great. But parenting, I could imagine. I see what you're saying. So the kids, we're just assuming the kids cooked. Yeah, like what's the protocol? You gave him three years of working out

and trying to get closer with God. And he still will not talk to girls, watch his porn, all that bad shit. Okay. So for sure I would make sure that I've got his blood work done. And I'd want to see what his, like, testosterone levels were and what his actual, like, body was, like, expressing, right?

Because there is a lot of, if there's issues there, you do want to fix them. I can't immediately go, like, you'll take Xanax or steroids. Like, there's tons of things he could do to fix his hormones so that he can be more like, yo, I'm more mentally apt to be better. But it's not about because his hormones could be perfectly aligned. His neurochemistry is out of whack. Like, he could have 1,000 testosterone and 30 estrogen, but because of how this stuff is hammered his serotonin, dopamine and all that stuff in his brain,

he's still going to be a very insecure in his shell person, regardless of the testosterone. Like, that's, that is a fact. Okay. So what do we do? Okay, well, so here's my issue with it. If I just go, here's take testosterone, right? He's going to just become more of the person he is to a degree. probably more confident though

there is there is sort of no denying that if his you know if his estrogen gets let's say a little bit lower it's not too low because then it can create forms of anxiety his his his brain chemistry is going to be higher functioning because of the testosterone um but like that's what I'm saying I think he can do that you can do that naturally to an extent there's there's you don't need Zan I didn't take X for for confidence and when you say naturally like by taking

testosterone or like a clomophon getting your hormones like yeah getting him right in line yeah getting him in line i think he can still like it's but you don't have time to waste brad say you think he's gonna get fixed and then now he's 24 and you're like what the fuck is going on he still lives in my basement and once he's 24 and still living in his basement the window of opportunity is tiny if you aren't as a young man if you wait until you're 25 and you have no opportunity nothing luckily he's Bradley Martin's son, but assume you couldn't give him opportunity. You couldn't give him the exact roadmap to success because you've done yourself. You're just like a regular parent.

We don't have time. We got to, you have to fix something immediately. And the slow route of testosterone, like, yeah, come on, we got this, we got this. You're going to have to take some, or at the very least, like, would you give him like other steroids, stuff that would like mess with your head? Yeah, maybe a little microdosing mushrooms. I'd suggest that. Oh, that's good.

That's thinking outside the box. I've not, I didn't actually think about that. DiHex is another really good peptide you could take. Okay, this seems actually potentially more responsible. I just wouldn't go straight to like, yo,

take fucking Xanax, chill the fuck out. Get to the gym, pussy. Chill the fuck out. Okay, you know what? I think you're right. I think like it's exploring with psychedelics

and like peptides to like reset your brain chemistry is probably better. Unless you're trying to like get famous, and you need like now, now, now, um, and in the pursuit of just like being a high functioning male, that's probably a less risky road. Well,

now I guess what you're telling me, I could just get them to say, you're on the fucking time on the internet and just go viral, bro. Bro, I'm telling you, we just did 500 million views, Brad. That is awesome. So I did 250.

You did 250. We could just sit here and say like all types of things like, well, actually I don't want to get like really canceled, but we could really farm clips and just, you know, like talk about everything. Every race, bro, we could do another one like like Indian people just smell like fucking curry. I hate faggots like dude, we could go. And it's like we could just do a clip farm podcast. Fuck talking about anything life, anything. Have you ever thought about that? And if you were to start like maybe nobody watches raw talk anymore. You could make it like talk or something. And you would go viral guaranteed, bro. I'm telling you. And that's actually a good point. Well, because it's like if you were, uh, Nick Fuentes is the most.

famous young man right now. Yeah, I'd say so. If you were like one 50th as successful as Nick Fuentes, you'd still be very successful. So if you were cooked, you could just kind of be like a way shudier version of Nick Fuentes with no like intelligence and you just like run around and saying a bunch of bullshit. You'll probably make 100,000 a month realistically. But there's like reasons you shouldn't do that because I don't know if you want to just be like that guy on the internet.

but there is like in the pursuit of capturing attention there's an easy way there is there is we just talked about there is an easy way we just kind of dabbled with the easy way a little bit podcast if you don't censor it well get taken down but yeah there is there seems there definitely seems to be an easy but is it always like is that always the most rewarding way no that's why I'm I don't feel as if I'm like for how many views I've gotten I don't feel as successful as I would have felt if I did it like how you did it right so that's why like the next year is a whole new challenge it feels like I'm starting my career from day one holy shit you're dude you know what you basically remind me of then you're like an only fans girl

who did a bunch of porn oh shut the fuck up no no no no no this is different and they get the easy buddy okay okay and then they go I'm about god now the I Camila that bitch started a fucking first of all she still sells money Only fans. Okay, okay, okay. This is not at all the same because... Go ahead. Well, it's not totally different, but it's...

It's... I like to think I'm better than these bitches is what I'm trying to get at. But either way, the... It's about the come back. Like, okay, I will admit that, okay, well, first of all, put a certain degree of respect on my casino sponsorship because I was like there's like real real pioneers um like Steve will do it uh train wrecks those motherfuckers that like made online casino is real but I was the one that made gambling your life savings cool and like doing like really outrageous shit not just gambling

casually I was the one that was like oh like I gamble my life savings a bunch of times and all this and now every person goes on Instagram reels and copies oh calling my girlfriend for a loan calling my grandma for a loan and it's all fake so you get the reels these are like modern day only fans like the equivalent male version of only fans is a dude that does a real you got to bleep that casino name so they post these reels and they don't even like gambling so here's the thing with only friends girls if you're through and through like you're actually a slut like you love just pop and pussy for attention and you love that shit then you deserve it you deserve the money you deserve to be an only fan's model if it's against your morals against your ethics and you don't

really like popping your pussy but you're like damn they got money so you don't really love gambling but you're like damn togy drives he's got three lambos now like maybe i should you don't deserve that you shouldn't be an only fans model if it's against what you're doing so that's like a stout difference between me and i'm still saying i'll admit it like i'm more or less the equivalent of an only fans girl in the male world because of the casino sponsorship that just being like the easiest money um but what i'm really focused on is the like I guess redemption arc instead of just being an only

fan's girl and then turning into like whatever the course like Camila is selling a course now I'm going to make incredible content I have my own casino it's actually almost done you should sign up really yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but either right me and TJR made our own casino

so we have that so I can like make money and then the content dude it's some of the shit I got planned here can we pull up a video on here yeah pull it up look up on uh YouTube Japanese game show Slippery Stairs

Yeah, I know exactly what this is Check this out This is good So you got all these people You can come be a commentator Or like announcer if you want Or you can physically do it

If you want I'm going to be competing But it's great Because you got all these Japanese people And they're competing For money And look at them

They're like oh I need to get the top For my fameroo Is it just covered it? It's so shripery I need the money For my family And I survive

Oh Oh, is it soap? Oh, it's so slippery. Yeah, so it's like this lube soap contraction and these people, whatever, competing. But check this out. So you thought Mr. Beast, people think Mr. Not you. People thought Mr. Beast was unethical. Just wait until I post this next video because what I'm doing, it's like there's a bunch

of elements of video, but I spent a million dollars on this. So we have an actual arena, that exact setup. and I'm going, I'm bailing out five people from jail and then I'm competing against them. All five of them were competing. There's three different Japanese game show games. Each winner gets $20,000. So these people are like really, really, really need it.

And then it's so authentic in the pressure. It's going to be electric. I'm flying out 100 Japanese illegal immigrants, ideally from Japan. And if you're not cheering loud enough in the crowd, then you get sent back to Japan. It's like the most high stakes arena of Japanese game show for people that actually really need the money, which is great because I'm given somebody that actually needs money to, like, it creates a really real emotion. Some people are devastated that they didn't like slip up the stairs fast enough, especially if I win.

Then I really look like a dick. But hopefully I don't win all of them. So if you, but if you win, will you keep it or are you? No, I, well, they're not going to watch this. If I win, I'll distribute the money amongst them. evenly yeah but i want them to really think that if they don't win they're not going to get any money and and to a degree if they don't win they're not going to get any money like if one of the convicts wins and then the right like he gets the money that everyone else doesn't get shit

who comes up with these ideas is it you yeah that no one else helps you well i have one friend my best friend from best friend from college we started a business together wildly unsuccessful business so far but i'm very excited about it to supplement brand um but either way he's And so him and I, like, since the inception of my YouTube video, we call before and we like bounce ideas off of each other and I make it. So he's like my idea. Well, actually, they know him now. It's Liam. They saw him in my last YouTube video.

So it just me and him for some reason, like surface value when you like think of an idea a lot of the times, it sounds like when I try to explain these ideas to certain people, they're like, that doesn't really sound like it's going to get a ton of views. but the picture that we can paint with it like Japanese game show with convicts is just like I can see it so clearly so we spent like all my money that I have on it and I think it's gonna be a hit I think it's really fun

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Let's get back on this podcast. So I'm curious about the money thing. Do you like, because I kind of asked Steve this too, but, do you take pretty much all the money you have and keep just keep trying to like double it like yeah yeah well not necessarily double it but so well so the gambling thing like do you have money in a bank account somewhere no no well I mean I don't know so I'm not trying to be the IRS or anything I have to wire out and then the taxes take like most of my available money like I have to sell some watches to pay for this video on my taxes this year but it's like I'm so

obsessed with making better content that I'm willing to spend my friend texted me the other day was Liam how much will you spend on YouTube video and I said my net worth not including my house so that's like my savings account right now is my house and then just recently I'm trying to set aside money but dude overhead is fucking insane like I'm just as broke as the first day I started other than I have a house in cars but there's no money I owe people hundreds thousand dollars i owed irs like a few million dollars so i like legitimately the government you owe a few million dollars yeah yeah well like one point something yeah so it's um it's not but

the thing is as far as me existing as like i can always i'm 23 so i don't have any real responsibilities i have my employees that need to get paid and i always make sure they're paid first they're happy before myself but i don't have a family well I have a mother and father, whatever, but they are already like, I grew up like middle class. Like they're chilling. They don't really need any money. I didn't have to like. Yeah. You know, like whatever. So they're fine. I have no real responsibilities. And as far as like existing and being happy, it feels nice to like give a money away and spend so much money on content. And I guess this is kind of like a mentality that Steve taught me. But it just like just kind of have faith in the process, especially when

you're in the casino world. Like, if I really ever came down to it, I could just take, like I could take a month off from YouTube and just stream like 100 hours gambling. And you would get paid a ton of money. Like, yeah. I'm not saying that I'm so courageous

with how I spend my money because I always have a fallback. I could always, you know, sell one of my six cars and then survive if it really like hit the fan. So that's why it's like, and I'm also very confident in, you know making videos getting attention same with steve like steve knows he makes a video he's it's going to go crazy yeah so he spent whatever 500 racks on a giveaway for those videos like

most people don't have the confidence that whatever this is going to work out because no matter what i could turn on the camera and i was thinking about this the other day as like what if i get arrested because i can't pay my taxes and i'm broke i'm thinking that's going to go viral i'll make money off that and then I'm good like no matter what I'll always get the attention knock on wood like god forbid I like break my mouth and I can't speak but that will go viral too so everything gets views when you are I don't know when you've set yourself up in a certain way and also like yeah I don't know so I've never been concerned about money and one day I'll be concerned but if you really crunch the numbers dude how much money do you spend a month on non-business related things non-business too not much

like I mean food do you consider that non-business yeah yeah like food and imagine you had one kid I mean I can't I don't know how much I end up paying for one kid but um food I mean I probably spend like three four thousand dollars on business shit business should I spend way yeah yeah like everything but imagine you want to step out from the business world and step into the family world it couldn't cost more than 50,000 a month whether there's no way it could cost like that's literally. And is there any situation you could ever see yourself in where you wouldn't be able to make $50,000 in a month? At this point, no. Exactly. It's impossible. And I don't think I could ever make less than $50,000 a month just because of the brand that we've built. So it's like if I

ever wanted to step away from the business and stop investing so much to do it, I can still make $50,000 a month and take care of my family and this and that you just have to like downgrade your, uh, I see what you're saying. Expectation that not fly private and all that shit. So, so let's go like theoretical right um if you were to stop stop all of this like if you had to stop all this like you said you went to jail or something but then again it's content um how like i guess my question is at what point do you go okay like i need to protect more of this money you're you're not there yet i get it at what point do i need to protect more of the money it depends on what because i i truly believe that, you know, being a good person and outputting, like, changing other people's lives,

it all comes back to you. So it's like if I were, the only reason I would say I should protect my money more is if I was a bad person and I like had some coming out to me and I was spending all my money on myself and stuff. But I have no problem giving away money because that's almost in a sense protecting it in itself. If I give away, $100,000, not one-to-one, but the universe owes me $100,000. So it's like investing in the stock market, but the karma market. Yeah, this is, you have the, you and Steve, too, are the funniest individuals to me, man. You have the most, like I would say one of the, one of the coolest outlooks on life.

You, this, uh, you truly, truly believe in that karma. Well, I truly believe in it. And it's also, I don't take life too seriously. like as a whole a lot of people get like really worked up about like you get more worked up about a lot of things like

$1,000 type of thing that happened Brad you can't deny it either way the people can see that clip for themselves but you want a thousand dollars no I'm saying that because you know I'm going to say no one I can't say yes

because I look like a bitch ass motherfucker if I say yes either way the point is that and Safari is another good example You guys are like really a lot more concerned about a lot of small things, in my opinion. I don't take anything too seriously. I think honestly, I was more or less not just as happy. I was pretty happy when I had nothing because I had good friends.

So as long as I have good friends, like good friends, good family I take seriously, everything else in life, like I don't think this makes me, maybe makes me half a percent happier for one week. And then after it's like, okay, like it just like exists, you know? it's not so much about what the empire, my financial empire that I'm building, I, it's more about like the experiences that I'm living. And the way I've been doing things and not caring about anything, like whatever, allows for me to be a lot more forgiving with my money or with my relationships. Like, for example, I have a lot of friends that work with me and they fuck up everything. They've cost me millions of dollars while my homies accidentally

sent my social security number to a scammer because he thought it was the government and we were trying to get an EIM for a business and either way it's a whole thing but it's like dude you know what if my identity gets stolen it's not that deep dude it's cool like I don't got a trip like it's not that big deal and then my relationships I sacrifice millions of dollars and a lot of influence and my brand's not as big as it could be but I have my homies and we can always scrape together $3,000 to go to Rio Los Cabos and buy a bottle of Xanax and a couple of of derritalins and like have a fucking the time of your fucking life you know what we should do brad we should go to reus los capos for spring break asu spring break we can just

fuck a ton of 18 year old yeah i don't know what you're laughing at you know you would like it bro it's awesome like not regular 18 year olds snow bunny asu bitches we got to do it well you're already past that age but i'm thinking i got to go to a s u because uh well i'm getting too old i can't be like no no shade that like uh mike whatever his face is with the logan paul podcast yeah He's old as fuck and he's doing like all this L.A. talking to model shit and it's just like, dude, go get yourself a son and lock in, bro. You know what I mean? So either way, the point is I'm 23. I only have a few more years of going to reuse Los Cabos and doing Xanax and hanging out with the 18 year olds. And it is the best. Have you ever done like anything along those lines? I mean, I've gone to, I've gone to Cabo. I've, but like, okay, have you like, how many 18 year olds have you slept with? no but really it's an important metric of like

how it's an experience I get it I get it I mean when I was younger when I was close to your age yeah I had done more of that okay so you you've done it I'm gonna I want to go I'll chaperone oh so you're coming to read those comments oh spring break with Bradley Martin

I'll fucking go for much fun okay word yeah yeah let's do it and I won't I won't tell anybody you can say your chaperon I won't tell anybody if you fuck 18 you don't do the my lips are sealed I don't care at all I think it's great How old is the ideal age for a woman that you bet?

A age? I mean, I wouldn't, I'm 10 years younger probably, you know? Is ideal? Well, that's like, that's like probably as low. Oh, that's like the lower range. I agree that like, well, for me, I can't go 10 years younger because that would be 13. So that's not good. But I would say like in the adult world, I don't know, but I would diagnose it as like

I would want a girl to be like six or seven fucking five or six years younger to me. Younger than you, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but do you think, do you think that's perfect for you then? So 18, then? Yeah, so that's why I'm cool. It's like, I'm going to clear 18 years old until I turn. But the problem is with the 18 year olds is, well, A, there's a chance they're 17.

So you got to be careful with that. And then B, there's a big gap of maturity. Like in the adult world, you know, 25 to 35, you're both like adults. 18 year olds are really not very mature, which is kind of like the great part about them is that they just shut the fuck. up and they sit there and they laugh at your jokes. No matter how unfunny they are to sit there laugh at your jokes. And that's why they're so great. But it's also like maybe when I'm one year older, it's going to be like too big of a gap. It already feels like I should, because I feel like 21 at heart, but I'm 23. Like at a certain point, I should stop being 18 year olds. Yeah. You're

still young as fuck though, man. I'm still in the clear. Bradley Martin approved. No, you are totally. I mean, dude, you've done a lot at this point. I just still find so interesting your mentality around karma and around life and around giving back and like almost this mindset of abundance that is just never going to leave you. And also I truly believe I will always be very blessed because I work like a lot of people will see like whatever influences like oh you're super lucky or whatever. A really good example actually I was just telling somebody about this again I talk about Steve will do it a lot because I look up to him a lot but a lot of people assume he got lucky right place right time because there's other people that can chug as much alcohol

there's other people that are a little bit crazier but then i'll be on a phone with steve for literally an hour straight and i won't get a word out he's just talking about social media strategy and the placement of ideas and how a specific second of his video needs to look to capture the attention and so it's like his ideas are brought together perfectly there's so much structure in the chaos so it seems random but nobody really sees like how much is really going to the infrastructure of the whole operation. And that's why he's one of the biggest YouTubers

and I have so much confidence in my ability and what I've learned to put output stuff that's going to like get attention and always come back to me. So I think even though it looks like to them, I'm taking a big risk because it looks like, oh, he's just lucky, whatever. I'm so confident that it won't leave me.

And if it does leave me, it's not that deep. Maybe I'll honor the next thing, you know? Like, I have made, like, when I was 18, I was a millionaire, then I was broke. And then when I was 20, I was a millionaire. And then I was broke. And then I was 21, I was a millionaire. And it's not left me yet.

But, dude, I've done and did it so many times. It's no problem. Like, it's cool. So, okay, so to the kid who is like, wants to, I wouldn't say be Togi, but be able to be in the position that you're at, how do you get from nothing to something? Does it go back to what we said earlier about just being crazy on the internet? mentality of it's the obsession with what you're doing is the most important thing like I remember I would be so obsessed with like and it sounds corny but I would be so obsessed

with the idea of becoming more whether owning a business or whatever becoming famous I really felt like I needed it more than I needed to eat food or I needed to breathe air so it would be like not just trying but trying with like extreme intent every day you try something and you're going to fail a thousand times somebody the other week uh texting me and it's like toky i'm really having a really hard time with this clipping thing or this getting famous thing i've been posting you know like a few times a week and i don't know i'm not getting any traction and it's like i didn't figure it out until i posted probably i didn't go viral until i posted about my thousandth video because it's all a learning curve but a lot of people will get to a thousand videos if you're

not really passionate about what you're doing like you're not studying people that are more successful than you and making adjustments you're never going to get where you need to be so it's that mentality but then i for some reason i kind of circle that back to was i so obsessed to the point of insanity because of the drugs maybe i i did take the drugs because i wanted it very badly but it amplified that mentality to the point where I could never have lost, if that makes sense. Like it was in the air of my success before I took the drugs. I knew I wanted it really bad, but I knew I wasn't the man that I needed to be. So I took the drugs and then that like amplified the idea of obsession. Yeah, it's crazy. It's it's the question that I have, it's, it's like,

how do you create the, the thought that you're going to have abundance? Because that's kind of what you're talking about and how you've had your success without having any abundance it's you just are you really just saying it's just the drugs there's no way no because i i first when i first became a millionaire and went broke i was not on the drugs and the reason i went broke is because i thought there was unlimited money coming my way and i was just spending like a ton of money whatever it's no problem so i always had that abundance mindset i'm trying to diagnose exactly what it is but it was almost like what's the word of the Dunning Kruger thing when I first got rich I thought I understood money very well because I was at the start of the Dunning Krueger so I was overly confident and

I was like delusionally confident even though I didn't deserve that so it almost seemed impossible if you well okay how did you feel when you made your first $500,000 I was kind of shocked I didn't know that I was going to be able to make that much money. Bro, I feel like every person I ever seen that makes her first 500,000 is like, I'm the man. And I did. I felt that way. I felt that way. Okay.

But I was somewhat like because social media was, I didn't know that it was going to be what it is today. Like I first released, I was doing coaching. Just like literally capturing emails, not on like an email program thing, but like send me an email and I'll communicate with you and like send a program and then work with someone like week to week and that's when I made that year I would have made my first 500,000 but I just didn't even know that I was going to have that ability like because you I remember like I told you previously I was a trainer training people in person and I was making like five six sometimes eight maybe $10,000 a month and that was really good like really good and then social media comes and there was no like there weren't brands paying people there

was nothing. It was just like what you could make from your own. Yeah. And so I started this whole online coaching thing, which previously didn't. People did like virtual coaching. Like people would train like competitors like in the competitor space, but on like to the mass public. There was no like online coaching. How old were you at this time? Uh, 22 or so maybe your age. Okay. And I so I would like make these little little squares like selling online coaching, you know, weekly checkins and like all the stuff it would have. Um, and it wasn't, there was no examples. So I didn't know that like, there was no one who else who did it who I was like, oh, how much do you make? People started hit me up asking me how much I made, but it was, it was so much so fast. I think it was like

$30,000 online and I'd still make like eight to 10 in person. And then the next month it was like $70,000. And it was just like, it was a hundred percent profit. There was, it was just my information, right? Yeah. So I didn't. So no, yeah, I just, I had no, I didn't know. I didn't was going to be that fast and then it was that every month it was just more and more and then it was consistent um it was a shock more than anything not don't get me wrong like I did have the intention of like okay I want to be able to be great at this once I started doing it because I was doing it for so many years prior just as a coach in person but I didn't know I had no idea like it just hit and I was like holy shit this is uh it's a lot more than I thought well that that's what I'm saying

is um so it's like when you're young and you first become successful nobody's helped Brad. It was just Brad. I did it myself and I made all this money. And you actually made more money than you had ever thought a lot of people when they first, every person that I've, including myself, when they first make money, they give themselves too much credit. And that because of whatever, you think, you did deserve it to a degree. But there's also an element of luck. Like, you didn't even know you could make 70,000. And there's a few things I went in. And then when I first got rich, I was, it was like all luck, 100% whatever. But that point. is you believe so much that it was all you when you first did it, even if you were like

massively, it sounds like yours was a lot less luck than most people. Like it was more of like a strategic grind. Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't know. I didn't know that it was going to be like such a viable platform that was going to be able to make so much money. But then once you do it once, it's like, I did it. No one helped me. No one can fuck with me. I did it. That like once I did it one time I was delusional for the rest of my life that I can do anything and everyone else that has made significant amount of money for the abundance mindset comes from you just have to make half a million dollars one time and then no one can ever fuck with you again even if you lose it no one can ever fuck with you again because you did it and no one helped you even if it was

95% luck you just got to do it once like even if you really couldn't find the abundance mindset like fucking whatever sell your car and gamble it and if you make $500,000, you're going to think you deserve that because you took the risk of selling your car, you're going to think you're so cool you did it. And then you have the mindset. Then it's like locked in. Or you lost all the money. Or you lost all the money, but it doesn't matter because it's over for you anyways. If you didn't have the abundance mindset, right, and you had a car, either it's over for you and you have a car or it's over for you and you don't have a car. Both of them are not viable options for existing. So you have to max risk. Everything I'm not

saying definitely gamble. That's like the easiest way to do it. But like, max. risk everything with no regard because this is what people to understand is why are we holding on to your participation trophy you're holding on like i have a lot of friends that don't want to quit their accounting job and in the pursuit of more because it's like oh but if i quit my job it took me six months to get this job it's not easy but why are you so obsessed with dog shit you have a pile of dog shit and you are slightly less stinky dog shit than being homeless but at the end of the day you are so far from being successful that you really have nothing to lose and a lot of people like it's the easiest when you hit like it was very easy for me to do this because like I was like really

rock bottom like addicted to ketamine living on my friend's couch so I actually had nothing to lose like there I could take unlimited risk because I you know there's nothing that would and but people have this perception that they have something to lose but really it's a participation trophy yeah I see what you're saying you're talking about the mentality that people have that they want way more out of their life but they settle which we're calling the participation trophy for whatever feels safe to them like the job of the accounting job that they probably fucking hate or they don't really want and they want something else and another really big participation trophy is the motherfucker is that make 100,000 a year and this one like hits a nerve

for me because one of my best friends I try to get he's an entrepreneur and he has really big dreams but he's like I just got a raise bro I make 140,000 a year like it's not bad I'm like okay when we talk about this job he's depressed He, like, actually wants to end his life and he hates his job, whatever. But because they tell him that 140 for a 24-year-old is good, he's like, okay, I should hold on to that. But you're so far from where you should be and you're so unhappy that it's like snap out of it.

You really have nothing good going on. I see what you're saying. Because the way that they, I mean, they have something good. They have a good job. But if they're not happy in it, then why the fuck are they even holding on? Exactly. Exactly. Okay.

So the kids, so the, so then to people who, because most people who, you know, most people just in general, I do believe end up holding on to things that they don't necessarily want but feel safe. How do you, are we just, are you, are you really just saying that drugs are the only way to break out of? No, no. What you have to understand is that the real risk in this life is not taking the quote unquote risk, right? Because your window opportunity is closing. And when you're on your deathbed, you're not going to be thinking, oh, thank goodness that no, no one ever saw me fail. Thank goodness that I didn't like try. You're going to be thinking, holy shit, I never got to see myself shine because so you once you adapt to the mentality or

you understand what you're actually risking by playing the safe route, it's the riskiest thing in the world letting this window up. One day is way like one day, you can let one day go, whatever. One month is your window closes way more than you could have ever imagined because then the bills pile up and you're more and more every month. you're more and more locked into this job because the system it hardens the pressure. Once you're in the job, then, you know, you get a slight bonus at the end of the year and now rent is going up and you now have whatever. You got to pay. You turn 25. You got to pay for your own health insurance. It hardens. It hardens. It hardens. And you have a kid. And then 30 years old, you're locked in.

Your window is actually like fully closed because you have so, you have a family, whatever you can't afford to take the risk. people think they have until 70 before their windows closed your window is a pinhole by the time you're 30 so it's like the first you know 10 years is the most risky time you could ever imagine not taking what they think is the risk i see so man man you're not wrong at all at all like this is this is fucking facts where dude everything i said today bradley martin stamp of approval no no i'm not kidding dude especially at the start no i'm not kidding that was fucking you really did cook that's crazy because there's no denying that like people hold on to that that that base level of things because like like you said it's it's it's just scary to think outside of it and then as

you get older you're 100% right the more responsibilities the more bills the more things that are starting to come your way and you feel like you have to hold on it more and at the same time the economy is just slowly doing this more and more so that the money that you do make is less and less valuable, and then you're just held in this shell. I mean, this is the, this is like one of the, I would say the biggest reasons right now in the world why people, young men are not like really in relationships or having kids. It's because there's so many things that they like, I guess kind of didn't sort of account for because you, you know, not most kids are 18, 20, 23 year olds are not going to be like,

oh, what's going on with the socioeconomic status of the world and taxes and shit? And it really is just like doing this to what you have. And so if you're absolutely right, I think. if you don't take more risks when you're younger, you're 100% going to get older and be like, man, I wish I would have done that. I can say without a doubt,

even the stuff that I have now, I'm super grateful for, but I can look back on my youngest, I'll be like, I could have went harder. I could have done more. And I think no matter, I mean,

I guess if you had the mentality, even you might look back someday and be like, I could have done more, even though you've done everything. It sounds like, you're just going to have that feeling, but you're right,

there are a lot of people that just never even fucking try. Well, there's a lot of, what did they call it, the type A, type B. So it's like, you or myself would be type A, which it typically is associated with more anxiety, more depression, but significantly more success because you are,

I'm like chronically stressed out that I didn't do enough last year. And it's like, why? Like I spend like even a few hours wasting my time and it like hurts my soul. I didn't do enough. I'm not doing enough. I'm falling behind. And those are the people that become very successful. And then there's the type B.

and that's where a lot of judgment, because it's about 50% of the population is type B. They are genuinely overall, like actually happier than probably us and a lot of type A's. And that's why there's a lot of judgment because they're, it's like, dude, what's the big deal? Why do you even like, I'm cool just like kind of like floating back because they actually are cool floating by. And those are the people like that make the system churn as a college. But then looking from our perspective, looking at them, it's like, dude, you must hate your life. Because to us, you would, we would hate the life of mediocrity. But mediocrity is for a lot of people a good thing.

They just want one kid and $100,000 a year. And it's like, boom, I'm happy. So I try to not push, like, these are my opinions on things. And if people can relate to it, that's great. But I try to not push it on everybody. Because like, as far as how your brain works, a lot of people are never going to relate to what we're saying right now. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

but I feel like most people want more out of their life no matter what even if they have that mentality you would be surprised a lot of people are like actually really how everybody likes to dream of more but it's more like how people like to watch a movie it's more of like an enjoyable state of mind but a lot of people really genuinely are happy working at like whatever And a lot of things affect that, like if you smoke too much weed or whatever, you become very content with who you are. But the point being is, if you're actually content, if you can look at yourself in a mirror and be honest with yourself and like, I'm truly content, then I have no problem with you. But the problem is a lot of type A people or people that dream bigger like to fall into this mindset of, oh, which is good enough because a lot of people are like reasonably intelligent or most people are smarter than me and they work on like law of averages. so it's very easy to you look at the world as averages so it's like i the existence of a top

point one percent person is almost like non-existent because everything is just an average and that's what i hate is when you look at yourself in a mirror and it's like you know what i'm never going to be like whatever because it's more because that's just like physically not possible a lot of people can't wrap their head around the idea of becoming very successful in an unorthodox way because it doesn't fit the belt curve. So you don't think anyone can do it? I think some people, physically anybody can do it as far as if you were to follow the right thing.

But if you were to follow like the correct steps in the path of obsession with it, I think anybody can do it. But most people won't because that's just how it is, unless you take the drugs. It's just I love. Bro, if you had a better answer, I could be like, I would be preaching that.

There's no better answer than getting your head because I used to be in the same. But you know, in high school, my dream job and I would have been genuinely happy if I worked this job because your brain, you know, like wants to be happy. People find a way to be happy. I genuinely wanted, thought my dream job was to not even own to work at a smoke shop and just chill and like be that guy that sells jule pods to minors. I thought it would be cool. Like whatever, I'll be the cool guy in everything.

I'll smoke weed all day. It's a great job. Not because I trick myself into thinking I wanted that. but not because it's because i didn't actually believe that i could accomplish more until i got a taste of it until you start you know taking the drugs and it like opens your eyes to it if there was a easier healthier route to doing that then i would absolutely be in favor of that but this entire hour long ex veteran at life bradley martin can't give me a better example of how to transform your mind into a superman other than 90 milligrams of Adderall, one Xanax, Superdrall,

prima bullet, gram of testosterone. There's, what's the answer, Brad? You, I haven't heard a single answer to how you can get there. I kind of told you earlier. I got here. It was a little, the circumstances were a little bit different, but I didn't do it with just testosterone. I didn't, excuse me, I didn't do it with any of those other drugs.

I did take just testosterone. Okay. I did one. Yeah, okay. I can't I will not deny that fact I didn't do Adderall I didn't do any of that do you think if you didn't take testosterone it's a good question um I thought about this a lot I I do I can I can say without that I don't think my life would be the same way no well testosterone's easy though because like you can uh within a reasonable doubt uh if you do it

correctly not die because of your testosterone before 80 years old like if you do it right very correctly so that's like a responsible thing to say but in the pursuit of like I have a hard time believing and maybe this is just like my ego or whatever i really believe that it was more over for a lot of kids today including myself and clav i think the amount back they were like because of marijuana pornography whatever all of all that shit is ticot i think they're set so far back that just back in your day testosterone's going to cut to chut right you can get going to get it. I see. Not anymore, bro. I really don't think so. But I guess that's kind of like, again, I could, well, I'm not wrong, actually. I could say I might be wrong. I'm not. There's no way.

But I hope that there is a solution because I don't like telling people, because it's not going to, you could do these drugs and like die, right? Yeah. So I don't want to be like, it's awesome and whatever it isn't. Because you literally could ruin your life. But your life was already ruined. Really, though, it was, like, I would rather die at 22 while I'm trying with everything by any means necessary. And then, you know, you die when you're 16 because you spent 80 years. 60, 60, or 80, right? When you die.

When you die, you're 16. Oh, you mean you die. Because you live the life of bullshit. I would rather die at 22 trying. And also, yeah, I don't know. I think in the last, no, I don't want to say that. I want to stay alive. But I appreciate, I feel as if I've experienced in the,

the last three years, enough for me to be out experiencing most people in their lives. So if I were to die today, I wouldn't be happy because I have a lot more that I want to do, but I'd be at least happy that I was trying with 100%. And I got to experience a lot of things. I got to change a lot of people's lives. So it's like overall, my life as of today has been a net. I'm just like slightly above. Is your life good or bad?

I'd say my life was good. I think that's beautiful. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. man i'm i'm honestly proud of you even from the last time we've talked to like where you are like you've only gotten better you've only gotten bigger and you've only gotten better at speaking too you're really good at this shit thank you red that means a lot to me yeah that was i remember last time we uh did the podcast um we went to the gym and it was like off camera and you're giving me a bunch of like advice and words of encouragement and stuff and i'm really grateful for like my network

and like you steve and everybody that's helped me get to where i am now and now i kind of want to like help my friends like have a similar experience as far as coming up so i really appreciate that yeah no you you fucking earned it bro i mean anyone can say whatever they want to say about the way you got here or their opinion on like the drugs and all this shit and it's funny because a lot of it sounds like jokes but i know a lot of it's actually actually just genuine but you did it like you fucking did it and it is it is there is something to say about a 23 year old that feels like not that you would want to pass away at any point at your life now but to feel like you've done and you put your best foot forward no matter what that's fucking rare i think i think a lot of 23 year olds i mean

shit even probably 30 year olds feel like they haven't done enough in their life and you know it's kind of what we were talking about saying in the norm but dude i mean you're a testament to just like fuck it let me try my best with whatever i have no matter what in any in kind of i guess sort of what cloud was saying too like by whatever means like whatever means necessary yeah a lot of people overestimate their effort. I can look at and because hard work means nothing without risk. So it's like one big like pursuit of more. You have to have as much risk as you do effort. And that's where a lot of people get the disconnect. I can admit that I could have worked a lot harder. I probably shouldn't have taken more risk. I think I maxed out like the risk. But I could

have worked a lot harder. But most people think that they deserve so much. There, way overestimate how much they're really putting in to what they're doing like clav is trying to get double jaw surgery like that's giga risk autistic and i think it's awesome that's what it's all about so i just preach to people like i have an honest conversation in the mirror like how much are you really putting in like did you if you haven't if you're still in college and you don't like it and or you still work a job that you don't like i don't respect you because you haven't put in what you think you're putting in yeah that just goes back to the honesty with the self because a lot of people, I 100%

and maybe that comes back to the mushroom thing that I would recommend to that my son who's a fucking loser in that theoretical situation but it's being honest with yourself because I don't think people have that I think that's like one of the harder abilities for majority of people because of the sort of the social circumstances

a lot of people will get input from their friends or from their family about where they're at or what they're doing to be, oh, it's great, you're doing good, you're going to college, you're learning to be an accountant and it's like, but that person's never really honest with those people that like that's not at all what he actually wants to do and even with themselves what they really want to do. So I think it's like how do you find and I guess I asked you this question, how did you find the honesty about like where you really wanted to be? There's a few

people like the person that taught me like the hard truth is the best truth is I looked up to David Goggins a lot. Like his whole story was like my situation is super shitty and he took it to the extreme of like really putting himself through the ringer. Like his effort was almost killed him on multiple occasions he tried so much and I have a huge bone to pick with there's a lot of influencers that I've been posting

one of them is he looks like you but like a little more fluffy like the daddy Noel or something yes yes Noel really great guy really nice guy but everybody likes views and the easiest way

other than being the bad guy to get to views is to poke at the softs spot at a mediocre because mediocrity loves company and they love a community of oh we're just doing good enough so he just posted a video and went very viral and a lot of other influencers are copying it saying congratulations a lot of people are posting their accomplishments over the last year they got a new job they got a new cool car but i'm proud of you for just surviving you know like sometimes you just need to survive a year and that's good progress but a year a fucking year of no progress you can have a week off sure and it's not bad there is zero percent chance that you

made significant progress or that you didn't make significant progress over a year if you were genuinely trying just like period that's not impossible and a lot of people blame their mental health for that this is what i tell people your mental health is not an excuse because a you physically, scientifically cannot test for a chemical imbalance of your brain that is depression. Like, depression is always like whatever, a psychiatrist, you know what's saying, oh, you're sad all the time, so you should take these meds because you're depressed. It's literally impossible to say your brain is fucked up. You should take these drugs because you're depressed.

You're not depressed. You can be depressed, not because of your brain chemistry, but because of, your situation, right? Because have you ever in your life felt genuinely depressed in a dream? You felt, you can feel sad in a dream if something bad happens. But in the dream world, it's the same brain chemistry, you're never depressed because you're living a life of no restrictions, very little, if any at all, thought for consequences. So that's why you also like die frequently in your dreams is because you're so not worried

about the consequences that sometimes you die so you want to find the balance of like be conscious of potential consequences but you are guaranteed to at some point in your life feel depressed because of your situation and that's when you need to work the hardest that's not when you're surviving that's when you need to work the hardest because you need to better your situation in order to you know beat that depression and i promise you you can i've i'm sure you've been depressed before like actually like really really you hate life i've been there i'm almost positive every young male has been there before it's just the few that diagnose their mental health as an inescapable wall that are those that are the least honest with themselves so what i'm telling to the people

is how do you be honest with yourself is you listen to what i'm saying right now is that if you haven't made progress, the only reason is because you're not trying hard enough. That's like it. If you're not making progress, I'll tell you right now. You're not trying. Okay. Two things. I think, I think, I think you can test for dopamine levels in the brain, which would be then related directly to like depression. You can test like what your dopamine is at, but why is your dopamine low? Because of your situation it's not you can't have chronically low dopamine levels your dopamine gets shot i've had i probably have the most fucked up dopamine receptors of like anybody ever if you did a test on my brain i would probably clock as like way more depressed than anyone else because i fucked my

own dopamine i did too many drugs and i gambled too many high stakes now i can't enjoy like this conversation i'm like to a degree enjoying it i can't enjoy almost like anything but I've diagnosed the problem that I've fried my own dopamine. I'm not blaming the universe for having bad dopamine, you know? I see what you're saying. So I'll sort of like mention the flip side of this conversation for, I guess, Noel's sake and for the sake of everyone else who's going to disagree or would like to this talk about it. But I think the idea, when you talk about a year, I'm not so concerned with that.

But I think it's more so the idea that if you're in a situation, that feels inescapable, that feels like, you know, you're depressed and you're sad. The idea that you're just surviving and you did good that year, I don't think it's so much like you couldn't have done more. I think it's more like at least you're still here. And that's why I hear what you're saying. You're not wrong. I do believe that your ability to overcome depression, the thoughts of anxiety or thoughts

of suicide, it is your ability. It is up to you no matter what, whether it's to fix your circle. to fix your hormones because I could speak directly to feeling depressed and it's not even it wasn't even the feeling of I hate myself it was I didn't feel anything but this was also I did to myself because I had taken test for so many years and I was taking the same test that I that I didn't realize at the time was not actually test because it had expired so for about probably four to six months I was injecting testosterone that wasn't testosterone it was just olive oil at that point right yeah yeah um or canola oil whatever

whatever it was cods, whatever it was brewed with. But my levels were so low because I went to get them checked. Finally, because I had so much health anxiety, I let it go on for six months because I was afraid of testing my, this is like a whole story of mine, but I was afraid of getting my blood work done because I was like, I'm going to see how much damage I've done to my body. And it's that sort of like white collar anxiety where you're, or blue, something you're afraid of figuring out what's wrong with you. And I was very afraid of figuring out was wrong with me.

And so for six months went on, I had, I literally had, I think my test was, like fucking 14 and my estrogen was like 14. Yeah. I did this and Haney Rombot actually he got my test done and we did this. My test was 14. My estrogen was 340. Holy. So you were more, you were more of a woman than a woman is. Yes. That's fucking what? It's blowing my mind. It was on paper and I was still doing Instagram videos. I was still making content. This was when I opened my gym in 2017. I was still pulling my truck because I, and so maybe I'm

little bit arguing against myself, but I was forcing myself to do those things because like that was sort of, that was like the peak of my popularity. That's what I'm saying is, that's exactly what I'm saying is your mental health was never excuse for you. You have factual evidence that you were more depressed than probably, I don't care how sad anybody on the camera watching this is. Those numbers describe somebody that I can't believe you didn't kill yourself. Well, I was thinking about it for like again for like six months I felt terrible but but I forced myself to do everything I the thing that I should have done sooner what so maybe I did argue against myself but I guess the whole point I was trying to make outside of it was that just that I didn't sort of end my life in that circumstance

that was the you did okay because you survived the year but you can say that after the fact because you did the right things as in you went through the effort to get a coach get your blood work and you worked on your business so you were at actually making from where you were to where you ended the year it was insane progress but most people say where i was flatline same good job i didn't die but you didn't die and made incredible progress your experience is not what we're talking about i think it's just i think if i'm just argue for the sake of arguing that this conversation is that i think it's just the idea that you didn't die is the most base like well okay bro they're floating i'm not saying it's a good

thing i'm saying but it's like well you're still here now you can continue no bro because the second you let yourself be happy and accept a pat on the back for not dying why are you just just do it next year because that felt pretty good i didn't die good job toge i didn't die next year i see your i see your point you're and then you're just a speck but so so you're talking about just accepting the year and saying that now this is just going to be my years forever i don't think that necessarily what i didn't see the content so i don't have the context right but i hear what you're saying i think it's just more so okay you didn't die okay now change it now don't just not die again but that's the biggest thing is not accepting what they're the mediocrity because you're not a mediocre person so you're

immediately defaulting to the idea that i didn't die but holy shit that was fucked that it's great i didn't die but that was like the worst year ever because i made no progress what these people are doing is they're saying it was a good job they literally say i'm proud of you good job for surviving the year you should almost you should kill yourself because you just survived because what are we fucking talking about here you did nothing for a year and we're accepting a pat on the back like you're referring to what you should do and be very very upset almost depressed you should feel that would be like that would make me feel depressed if i did nothing for a year you feel depressed you're very upset no pat on the back that was fucked and you can't do that one more year

of your life or you're cooked well so then you're just talking about because i guess i guess I wish I couldn't you pull up this video so I could see it so I'm just not speaking. Oh yeah, it's on his TikTok. I actually don't watch the whole thing. It irritated me so much. I watched the first 10 seconds. This might be why it's funny. No, no, but then I live posted something and she was like, congratulations on surviving. I'm like shut the fuck out and I've seen a couple of there'll be a lot of posts soon from people sharing what they achieved. Oh wait, hold on. Pause it. Tell me first before we continue. Tell me right where you stop the video.

Do you remember where? I'm about right here. I knew where it was going, bro. No, no. Okay, watch. Let's see if I was right in my diagnosis of where this is going. Okay, okay. Traveled the world and found their own form. No, this is actually where I stopped.

But just in case, there's someone out there who needs to hear this. It's totally okay if the single thing that you did this year was survive it. Shut the fuck out of here with that video. Okay, okay. I do still believe though the point he was trying to make was you're still here though so you can continue because that is the idea just like I was still there and I was going through shit and I just continued I did a lot of shit it did I did tell you I did a lot of shit

but I did just continue I think that's the only concept if I'm arguing for him it's like well I still I'm still here I'm not saying that means now you go okay fuck it I'm just going to still be here every year year after year and that's it I think it's like you're still here now you have the ability to change are you going to change it? I think that's the implied part that you did. Okay, okay, I agree with that. I think, okay, wait, go back to TikTok. And I don't dislike him by any means. I think you're right. It's good that you're alive. I love that. And I'm happy for you guys. And I would say now it's time to lock in as of right now. Okay. But I think I could just want to saw another one of it. I don't

know what it is. But either right. I think I know you're talking about. I've seen another video too. That was similar. Yeah. So, so your your idea. I mean, I guess the thing you're talking about having beats with it's just like the way people okay complacency yeah yeah or it's a big example of um another like we talked about before like thinking you're doing more than you are like surviving is not good that's actually the probably the bottom of the barrel yeah is surviving and people place survival like so high up because the alternative dying is like to them so bad but dying and surviving are in my head the same exactly yeah i hear i hear what you're saying i get what you're saying i don't think there's anything wrong with that perspective at all i i i mean

i think that's correct in a lot of cases but sometimes you have to be able to survive to you know you have to be able to survive to build yeah yeah 100 well that's life you know it's risky and you like you have to you can't just how how do i want to how don't that that's just like how it is you have to be able to survive to build, but there's no point in surviving. That's like, that's like us being so stoked that there's a floor on the ground right now. Like, I'm stoked that the ground physically exists. Right. But I'm not sitting there like, we're good, bro. Fuck the couch is like, you got a floor. We don't need nothing in this podcast room. You know what I mean? That might not be the best example, but that's like kind of the idea is like, oh, it's, we got to

stop talking about survival. Yeah, it's accepting the most basic sort of thing, which is just being alive. Yeah, exactly. I hear you. So then what are the steps to be able to capture your mentality for these people? How do they do it? How do they capture that mentality? Because it's super, super, super, super, super straightforward. If he did, why can't I? Because it's super clear.

You can watch back the podcast that me and Bradley Martin did one half years ago. I was not anywhere the person I was today. And then you can watch that podcast. Then you can go to my first TikToks in how I spoke and I'm in the frat basement. And I have nothing. I'm a grade A loser, not very intelligent, no money, you know, like parents cut me off, all that shit. Why am I so special?

I'm not. It's that I put myself in enough experiences and enough situations and took enough risk where I was able to grow. The only thing that's making you not grow is showing up to accounting every day if you don't like accounting. If you love accounting, then you're watering your flour. But everybody on behind a screen, it might not be. They're good, they're not going to be incredible at like, whatever, capturing attention or like speaking.

Everyone is the best at least one thing. Like they're incredible. And you have to find that flower to water. A good example is the, you seen a movie, uh, free solo. Yeah, that guy's insane. Bad ass motherfucker. Yeah. I guarantee you he didn't start his career by saying, I'm going to become so rich and famous and successful,

because I'm going to climb this rock better than every other motherfucker that ever climbed a rock. He was like, I love climbing rocks and I'm really good at climbing rocks. Like, I love it. I'm good at it. I'm going to water this flower. And he became so good at it that he made money. And a lot of people think, whatever, my interest, whatever, I couldn't imagine how you would make money off a knitting.

I think it's super gay, whatever. But if you genuinely love knitting and you're incredible in knitting, watered out flower, and you will be a millionaire from whatever it is. everybody's so good at least one thing but they're too busy letting their professor say you're not very smart because you just got a d on the accounting test um and you like whatever or you failed you're not great it's like though what i tell people you're made a gold but gold's not useful when you're trying to build a hammer you know what i mean you're just not being utilized in the right place and you know when it's off a lot of people say they like feel lost they don't i tell them this

And they're like, yeah, but I don't know what I'm good at. Because every day you're doing something you definitely don't like. It takes time to find what you're good at. But if you're stuck doing definitely, I hate my job. But that's all of your energy because you only have energy, the first, like natural energy, like first six hours of the day. And you spend all of your productive energy doing something you definitely don't like, then you're not going to get to find that.

So you have to first, the first step is just stop doing what you know you don't like because you can feel it. You know what you don't like. like and then just try things that you think you might like and you try and you try and you try and eventually you're going to find something that you love and you're great at and you will be success yeah bro you do you didn't take adderall today no and this is why i can you're cooking i can speak much more clearly now that i stop taking adderol and everyone in the comments is going to say oh toad he's on the cocaine again to he's on the adore again but i my mind i can deliver my ideas

and i have so much better ideas when i hate that i was diagnosed with ADHD and they try and strip me of my superpower of being able to deliver my ideas in effective ways by giving me Adderall. You'll know when I'm on Adderall because I'm speaking slower. I'm stuttering. My ideas aren't as colorful. And I hate that I spent so long abusing Adderall just because they say, this is going to be good for you. This is what you want. Because that would be, I would be nowhere in life if I like continuously took this drug. So it's interesting. Everybody on the camera always thinks I'm on drugs when I'm sober and I think I'm sober when I'm on the drugs. Yeah. Dude, well, to your point though, about basically you were speaking about opportunity cost,

which is like if you're investing your time and your effort into energy into this and not the thing you actually want, then you're never going to be the thing you actually want. And this happens in a lot of different things. Like specifically with young men, I think this happens a lot with with women too and dating. Like they put their effort and their energy into people that they shouldn't necessarily be doing that to or doing that with. And it takes so much of their energy away from like we're talking the things that actually improve your life and make your life better yeah the whole um obsession with women it's like a tricky balance because you start and most men need uh something to kickstart them and usually it's a girl breaking your heart and then you want to

become more so that you know you can show all these bitches whatever but it's interesting the um most people that start a fortune 500 company uh i forget the exact step but it's like an overwhelming amount uh the percentage is very high of somebody that's changes the world like Elon Musk level people most of them find that moment when they're over like 50 years old once your sex drive goes to zero once you're no longer super uh spending i wish i spend almost no energy on women anymore and i still wish i spent less because people the culture sets it up so that you're just like the what the coolest thing you do and that's another low-hanging fruit that's very easy to go viral on is I used to just have women on my streams and I just

talk to I just I just get girls whatever people men love to see clav go to the club and talk to girls because it's that's like again the low hanging fruit because the culture it's so easy to relate to these men that don't have something they think they want being confidence in talking to women that let me tell you dude how good really at the end of the day in comparison to the other things in the world, I can think of so many things that are better than sex. And having, spending a day hanging out with a girl is literally like I would probably, you're just as productive as being doing heroin. Realistically, like you, whatever, you watch cartoons, you have sex. But this is the trap is that you feel like, because if you do heroin

all day, everyone's going to be like, you know, but if you hang out with a girl, you get the dopamine hip from hanging out with the girl, you have sex, you have a few good laughs. and then you get to tell all your homies that you fucked the 10. You feel like you accomplished something. You accomplished quite literally as much as the heroin addict did, as in nothing. So that's what I preach to men, which I, young men, which I wish I started doing earlier, is like, honestly, just like stop talking to girls. And that's like, when I say that, people are like, what?

Like, that doesn't make sense. It's awesome. I've had sex with, like, hundreds and hundreds of women. And zero percent of it has brought me. any any amount of happiness like the only amount of any happiness that i feel is like pursuing what i actually love yeah damn bro you are you're on a fucking heater today that's like that's that's that's so fucking real and i could i can even speak for my own perspective in that throughout my 20s like i did like you said a crazy crazy numbers and exactly the same sentiment there was

nothing from it that i was like man this was beneficial or this was great or this made my life better. It wasted my time. It wasted my energy. It took, it took like, again, that opportunity costs for where I could be putting my energy to something that's actually good for me. At what point, though, do you, do you think, and maybe it's just not at this time in your life because you're young and you're completely focused on that? At what point do you think you shift and it is a good idea or it could be a good opportunity, not just to go hit and fuck a random 10, but to like have a good relationship well it just um what does how how does that relationship affect uh your career so i would say ideally if the relationship is because i had a girlfriend for a lot of my come up but it's great

because this girl it was all about like i was so obsessed and this is like somewhat of like a what the they'll say is like toxic whatever i was so obsessed with my career that if you're not actively acting as an employee to me, you can go. I don't give a shit about any of this. So she was, you know, doing the holding the camera, editing videos, like actively every day, like pretty much an employee. So at a young age, for me, it was acceptable in that situation because it was benefiting my career. But I would say generally, if the relationship isn't like that, and the only way you can get a relationship like that is prioritize you and your career so much higher than the women that you are, you'll walk on any relationship.

even if something very small is getting in the way of this or even if you're another thing that men don't see is like if a girl is just nagging at you like you are getting a little like maybe like she goes out to the club one night without you or something you're gone because not because I think you cheated on me or you're not faithful because you're taking up space in my head now I have to think like oh my God now I got to keep track of my fucking girlfriend not I'm not working about it because I have too many ideas to be focused on So that's like the dynamic you just need to have with it and you can, that can work at any age. Or if you can't work in that dynamic, just like once you've found the success that, like, you're ready to actually have a family.

Then maybe, yeah, when you can have kids? Soon, hopefully. I'm still working on it. That's so crazy. That's going to be so sick. Yeah. Me and your kid are going to get into some crazy stuff, dude. Real young, I'm going to teach them like all the dope stuff of life and get them, you know, it's funny because like you're not a, it's interesting because to a lot of people, they would like to argue.

that you're like a bad role model but I don't think you are oh yeah I don't think you are like you you actually are very thoughtful in all of your ideas and they make sense like everything with the girl stuff obviously like a girl would have to accept that their reality is that and that sort of like you know the relationship you have with the person who's kind of like somewhat of employee and because you're holding yourself to some high standard it's such a high standard that if you can't do those things and this person is just getting in the way you know it's actually it has to be that way This is funny, a really perfect example of something that people would assume, Otoki's a bad influence is because I like hookers, right?

And I like hookers for a reason because when you, say you don't have a girl, bro, say you don't have a girl, your sexual energy has to go somewhere and you're either going to watch porn and jack off, or you could waste a whole day hanging out with these women, wasting your time, or I could call a hooker and in 15 minutes bust my nut throughout the door. So in my life, I've literally spent over half a million dollars on hookers. Best investment ever because you know what that R-O-wide, me spent. And you're laughing because it's like, what's funny. But you're like, wow, that makes an incredible amount of sense.

And that's why it's like kind of comedians, but I've thought about these things. And as far as my investment, 500,000 on hookers, I've made millions with those days saved where I don't have to entertain a bullshit. I don't have to, you know, like let's go to a movie. movie and this and that. So I'm just saying there's things that people aren't willing to accept as a good idea or correct because they don't look. They just tip the iceberg. Hooker is probably bad. No, dude. They're awesome. Wow. You just made a point for my prostitution to follow this thing. Dude, it's so it's funny because like I can't even really are like I get it.

I get it. I understand why you feel that way. I understand what you're saying. You're exactly right on it. It's like, damn, dude. Maybe that's why it's been around for thousands and thousands of years. Because you could put that energy somewhere and then there's not all the other stuff that comes along with it. I get like you said, just at what point in your life, or like I was asking, really, at what point your life do you decide? And I guess that's when you feel like you've done somewhat of enough. And I guess the question I guess I've followed up for you is, do you think that day will ever really come, though? Well, it's effectively once you're reallocating your, because the shit gets boring, right?

when you're first pursuing your career, you're so excited, you want more, you want more, you want more, you want more. Eventually, most people are going to be like, okay, I've done this so much. What's the next thing on my pursuit of happiness? That's more or less checked off. For a lot of people, it's kids. So now your priority, I want to step back 70% from my businesses because that was my everything. And now I'm just like kind of bored of it.

I want to do my next pursuit of happiness. Now I just need 30% to take care of the family, make my money. and then I can focus fully on your family. So it's like, it's a natural, it's not something where you have to be stressed out and like, oh, how am I going to allocate the time? It will just like happen. I believe I'm 20.

I don't know what I'm talking about, but I would imagine it happens very naturally. Yeah. I don't think you're wrong. Well, how do you feel about like your business empire? At what point do you ever see yourself like taking off the gas a little bit to pursue other things? Because you got to do, you got to like,

when's the last time you just like went on a vacation? for two weeks or even a month just to like go try some new food and like go on whatever like bucketless shit like by what point you got to do that I have not done it I've every time I've gone on vacation it was for content same and that's where I'm at now but that's okay because I'm pursuing it so hard I'm not as successful as you when do you see yourself letting off I guess when I have the family to be honest that's I think that's fair because like I also and even when I have the family like I also really enjoy this I really enjoy making content. I enjoy podcasting. I enjoy opening the gyms. We're doing the one in Miami. I'm excited

about it. I'm going to keep doing that probably even while I have kids. Obviously, I think my involvement in this stuff, the podcasting, I can't put anyone in this space to help me do it. With the gyms, obviously, I can put people in position to, like, help me expand it in a way that like I don't have to necessarily be 100% there. So then it's just about moving pieces around that can make sense. But I don't think I'll ever really stop. I think when you have a family, though, it will be like, uh, all of a sudden, like, your, brain is going to be like, wow, not that you won't care about it, but it's like, I almost, like, this is like 10% of my mental capacity. I'm like so obsessed with my kids. I'm so obsessed

with, like, raising them and, you know, traveling with them and experiencing life with them. I think it will happen very naturally once you have kids, but I don't know. I would just guess. I think you're right. I think I'm just also obsessed with the outward. Like, I do actually really like helping people. And I, I'm not saying like I'm just directly helping people because I'm having a podcast conversation with you, but I think there's moments. Like, I know throughout this whole podcast, there's for sure a bunch of moments. I know you joke and you make a lot of lighthearted sort of fucking conversation, but you said a lot of things that are really, I genuinely believe, are really impactful for young men. And like, I like even just facilitating

that. And I don't think, for some reason, I, I really do want children because I want to be able to teach those things directly to them. But at the same time, I also have this, this like outward sense of giving to the rest of the world that I also really fucking enjoy. You know what you should do is you should write a book. That's like some, that's like the next level because you've been doing a condo forever. That's like the next level. It's like, what do they call it, the Nobel Prize? How cool would that be?

That'd be fucking sick. And you have like plenty of shit to write a book about at this point. You could write five books probably. Yeah, yeah. I have been working on, I do like a bunch of voice notes because I know that like, I know I won't actually write it myself, have someone like annotated and like go through and shit. So I have been sort of working on that.

it's just like, that's a slow, slow work in progress. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, yeah, man, I like, I like helping people. And I think I know majority of my success after talking to people in person and having conversations or seeing things online and DMs, a lot of my success is because of me speaking, me sharing me, giving like parts of my life to the world. And even now in this situation, it's not even really me directly other than what I'm saying here, but you are doing that in a way with me for your audience and for my audience.

And I just enjoy that. I enjoy, I enjoy that, like, to actually make someone feel like they can do what they want to do. Because that's all we really spoke about. Like you, you just, you've taken a very extreme, which is kind of what's necessary in today's, which is kind of what we talked about in regard to social media and all this stuff. You took the most extreme way of like looking at it and it's fucking work for you. I'm fucking, dude, I'm, I'm proud of you, man. That's why I want to do this pot again because I remember you, you came to my gym and you were

filming a video and you were like, yo, I got off all this stuff. And that's when I was like, oh, I want to talk to him about like what's changed. And it's very apparent that, like, a lot has changed. And now you're just like a doper, smarter, better version of yourself. Thank you. I really do feel like I've made progress since that the last time we made how to podcast. So I appreciate that a lot. I see it, man.

I'm fucking proud of you. I'm really proud of you, dude. You're fucking, you're awesome and you're crazy. But it makes sense. Thank you. Yeah. Dude, you cook, bro. Yeah, one for a lot.

No, yeah. You fucking cooked, bro. Like, I can't like. there are so many there are so many things i was like oh i would i would have said the same exact thing word dude i'm glad i i think it went like really well i'm really glad that you called me to do this because i would have left l-a pissed that how shitty the santa cruz podcast was because i couldn't talk bro these motherfuckers i don't even know them it's like four people on podcasts is way too many if there's going to be somebody like trying to explain ideas right the way that i was

trying to do it so i'm really glad you called me thank you for having me yeah you fucking you crush it man more success to you thank you i like i really really look forward to seeing what you're able to build i mean i know you're working on i think a supplement company yeah so clothing company clothes and casino or the like three main ones and then i started a charity um which it doesn't make me money but now it's like a legal charity and where uh the goal is to do like uh entertaining like charity so when i have my own casino the goal is to have people that are sponsored by the casino every time they max win half of that money cancer i saw that is donated kids with cancer it'll be super cool all right well

I look forward to seeing it. Yeah, and anytime you ever need me, I know you said you wanted to film a video. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll text you and Steve about that because I have like a really awesome bit. Okay, all right, cool. Well, I appreciate you coming on.

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Thank you for having me, right. Cool, we're out of here. I love you guys. Cheers.