RAWTALK - VICBLENDS ON CUTTING LIL BABY & HIS NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Come join us for a fresh cut with our wise and young guest Vic blends. We discussed several things about growth and development of life as well as experiences on his journey of cutting hair. So brace yourself for some truths that they speak in regards of relationships, life, friendships, success, journeys, and social media.SPONSORS:HTTPS://betterhelp.com/rawtalkSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

Okay, so first, first off, I want to get in here. Obviously, Vic, appreciate you joining me today. I'm really interested in the fact that not that your type of content, the kind of content that you create is so popular, that you have like millions of followers on TikTok and obviously on these social platforms, you're doing really well. I'm more surprised at your age and your ability to speak eloquently about topics that are really profound and that are actually really helping in things that are beneficial to people. at the same time I find it interesting because like you lie you lie on a side of social media that at one point was really just not not necessarily niche that people didn't want or didn't need it but it wasn't as popular like speaking about things that are just a little bit more heartfelt a little bit more serious the kind of content I really love and that's how I found you so I saw your content I'm like wow this and I remember looking at how old you I'm like this guy is fucking so young speaking about these kind of things right like

Have you always been that sort of character, like in your life where you growing up where you were like having sort of like deeper conversation, more meaningful conversations with people? Or is it like a thing that you were just like it kind of came about just because of the cutting, the hair cutting thing? Yeah, you know, I've always kind of been that person and carried that energy trying to bring some sort of positivity and drive to what we were doing. You know, I saw it early with a lot of things that I was first in love with, you know, first being skateboarding, wanted to be a pro skater. I'm like if it's either pro or I'm not doing it at all, you know, or running track and either I'm, I'm going to. going to college, I'm not going to do it at all, or I'm going to box. That's how you took everything. I took everything like that.

And I brought that energy from my circle a lot. And I saw responsibility for having so much wisdom being young because it's, you know, it's a blessing to me, man. I'm so grateful for the way that I speak in the way that my mind works. And I take responsibility for that to try to be the change I want to see for my generation. Now, so you talk about like having that ability. Has that been learned? Was it a learned thing?

Or is it like, what, essentially what I'm trying to understand is like, what have you I guess gone through in your younger life that you think put you or gave you this sort of mental clarity because it's not like a normal thing and even people who go through tons of stuff sometimes they're just maybe not as well adept to like figure it out or piece together the pieces so that you can you know put together a well thought out idea around what you've gone through right because all these kind of conversations and things that you're able to say you could tell I mean I watch a lot of your stuff it's there's not tons of edits it's like it's it's real it's pretty raw so it's like for you for it to come from a place of like in this conversation right now it's just a genuine spot it means

it has to be something that really resonates actually with you otherwise you'd be like oh i got to sound like this i got to say this hopefully they get me when i talk like that and you're just kind of like it's it's free you know there was a lot of confliction in the beginning of course you know i think i got a natural talent to speak i've always been really good with my words really good with people and those were skills i found early on from you know working in a restaurant you know it's like my first job you know first I was flipping sneakers but then I got a job at 15 washing dishes because I'm like you know I was flipping sneakers and this shit just getting dangerous people trying to think scam me left and right I wanted to make sure I had like security so I got this job at a

restaurant that was in front of my house and I was washing dishes at 15 you know cooking at 16 in the back of the kitchen serving at like you know 17 18 and when I got to be a server you know it's funny because it's such a similar job to what a barber is as well you know like people coming through through the restaurant and I got to learn how to speak to every table because I want all of them to tip me. I need this money. So I need to make sure that everybody that comes in to sit with me knows that they feel comfortable talking to me with whoever it is. You know, I don't know who comes in the in the restaurant, but I also don't know who would come into the barbershop. Like I'm ready to accept whoever is at my table. So I got a lot of, you know, just speaking

of different types of people and a lot of those skillsets came early through that. But then, you know, of course you got to put 10,000 hours into anything that you feel like you want to do like to this extent. So there is a moment of my time where, you know, I've gone through situation where I was, all right, let me tell you this story. All right. Yeah. I was an educator for a clipper company called Babyless Pro.

And I remember we had this retreat one day where we like would have this team retreat. We're at all these barbers that work on this team ambassadors would get together in Miami and like hang out. And, you know, we would work as a team, team building for the weekend. And, you know, we all had to say a speech, not all of us, but. three of us and during this time I'm trying to do motivational videos because I have such an interest to it and I saw the power of like how somebody can make you feel just talking raw with no music like no nothing just like this dude's going to speak and he captures my energy and I love that I found that early on like trying to motivate myself and finding those speakers online so you know we get to

this this elevator speech that like you know all the team nominated these three people to do and I'm one of the third P I'm one of the three people and I'm one of the three people and I'm going last because, you know, Vix the youngest, he going to speak or whatever. So my two guys go before me and they kill it in front of the whole company, corporate there, the team there. And I'm only like, I think 19 at the time, 19. And I think in my head, I'm the, I'm the best speaker because I just got passion for it, right? I got the passion. I felt like I'm good with my words. I think I got good vocabulary. And I just thought I had it. And I go and do this speech. And it was just, it was, they said, do a speech on anything that you want to talk about.

And I was like, you know, I don't really know what I'm going to talk about. Do you remember any bit to the speech? Yeah, there's a video of it somewhere. Well, let me tell you how this goes. So, you know, they're like, you know, write whatever you want, you know, talk about whatever you want. And, you know, I'm just like putting shit together on a fucking piece of paper. Just, you know, whatever it is that I come to my mind. And I get up there.

I probably get through my first intro, which was about myself. But then when I had to get to the real shit to talk about, I froze. Yeah. And I froze for like 10 minutes. And you got to imagine. in like 10 minutes of quietness and I'm looking at a room They let the room go quiet for 10 minutes

Everybody watch me For 10 minutes For like 10 minutes Holy shit, that's a long ass time To be standing in front of like a group of people like that That's how he did a fucking You know, a couple people like you know Like Vic

Like you got it Like come on man Like trying to clap me up And I'm like You know I'm stuck in it And there was a real moment Where I saw like For one

I'm not as good as I think I am Like there's people that fucking work On this way harder than me And then two, I'm never talking about some shit That isn't real to me again Like I'm never making some fake ass shit up again One of my favorite rappers is Jada Kiss And he has a song called Things That I've Been Through

And he says specifically in that song I can only speak on the things that I've been through And I was like, you know That's why it's not working for me, man Like I'm inspired and like in my heart is in the right place When I'm looking at other people speak And talk motivation And I'm just repeating the same things they're saying

Because I think it's working for them And I'm like, yo, I'm young. I just want to, like, get into this so bad. And I want to have, like, such big impact one day. And I had to go through my lesson of that. So after I, after I, you know, choke in that speech, the next day I flew back home and they told me about, like, Toastmasters. Like, you could join Toastmasters and work on your public speaking for, like, you know,

a couple bucks a month. And you go there and start to work on, like, what it is to speak and what that looks like. And the day that I landed, you know, I landed that 4 o'clock back home in Fayville, North Carolina. And, like, there was a Toastmasters meeting the same. night at like six o'clock I drive straight home and I go to the same meeting the same night and I go consistently for like the next year just like working on what it is to like present something to speak. Did it actually help you, you say? I think it helped a lot, you know, maybe not.

So like I can't tell you a specific like thing out of that class were like, oh, this helped change. But I got around people who are also like interested in speaking. Like what does it mean to like capture attention is, you know, there's some technical aspect to it. Wanted to be a good speaker. and getting your message across because you could just have a lot of really good shit to say and I think a lot of people have good shit to say but don't really know how to say it. And I had to learn how to really get my ideas

and my words out there. If I wanted people to understand what I was about and who I am, I gotta know how to tell my story. I gotta know how to tell my feelings like that was something I had to work on. It was not a choice for me. You know, the thing that's the most interesting part of the thing that you said earlier

and out of all that was you decided that if you were going to speak on something like your favorite rapper that verse saying something actually comes from you and i could tell you without a doubt in in my life everything that i've done that i've been most successful at and all the conversations that i've had that have been the most impactful for me and assuming so for other people based on response has been when it was just like this is just me saying my opinion on my life and what i've been through what i thought about it how it made me feel because you can't deny that kind of stuff right and you also you can't necessarily fake it like you can't just go oh because

that guy sounded cool and he said that i'm going to stand up here and say this it is just real so that's the thing that I think regardless of how much learned information you can't have revolving around like public speaking or speaking in general or wanting to be motivational that's the thing that like you can't fake so the thing that I'm curious about is you do speak about like a lot of topics that you know there's a wide range of it what what have you gone through in your life that you think taught you most of this stuff like what was your childhood like besides just your your your early adulthood what's your A lot, you know, a lot led up to being the person I am today, you know, so I'm glad you asked that question because, you know, I didn't have, it's not like I had the roughest childhood in the world, bro. I didn't, you know, grow up crazy poor and I got this crazy, like, you know, success-ass story from, like, coming from the dirt, like, like, bro, I came from really humble beginnings, but I'm not going to sit here in front, like, you know, dudes get on a podcast and talk about how fucking, like, you know, man, I had a military father, you know, my dad joined the army, and I would say that my parents had a life 10 times harder than.

me bro my dad grew up in boston extremely poor section 8 and you know he went through the bullshit he went through the bullshit of you know trying to grow up in boston with with his brothers you know grandpas left them you know mom and three kids and in the in the projects and they got to figure it out dad joined the army to make that decision to leave and he was the only one on that side of my family to do so you know so he was the one that like made that choice to like step out and have a family this way and he joined the military so he met my mom in korea because my mom is from Russia so she's 100% Russian

dad's Puerto Rican joined the military met my mom in Korea proposed where within months of meeting her took my mom and my older brother from Russia to like you know Germany where he was stationed

and like moved them in you know and my mom said like when your dad proposed like I thought it was joking you know I'm like you know sure you know this guy like only knew me for a couple weeks holling at me in Korea

because my mom worked for like an airline company and she was down there and you know that's how they kind of got together but because of that you know growing up military i moved around a lot yeah born in germany lived there for a couple years moved to texas back to germany and then i found fayville north kital where my dad was stationed at a fort brag in sixth grade so i came to faveville in sixth grade and i spent the last 10 years there yeah so like that's home that's where i grew up and you know i think you know where you

spend like middle school high school that is really where you start to like find out like this is home this is going to have like a really big effect on like the person that i am i'm trying to figure it out right now in this moment all right quick interruption boys this episode is brought to you by better help now here's a deal better help is a service that allows you to get therapy online so you're got a wait in offices you don't have to like drive to the office you don't have to sit in traffic let's give you to let's give you an example let's say like let's say like you got an argue with your girl you've been arguing with a girl for some time and you're like damn like I actually now I don't have anyone to talk to about my problems because like maybe your boys would

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out to talk about it. All right, so to learn more, to get 10% off your first month, go to BetterHelp.com slash raw talk. Again, that's betterh-h-elp.com slash raw talk, 10% off your first month. Let's get back into this podcast. You know, because being young, I wish I was a little bit older, bro, so I can appreciate being in Europe and traveling as much as I did. And I thought it was regular, you know, as being a kid. Like, I thought, oh, this is nothing, you know. So, but you get older and it's like, wow, you know, I had a lot of blessings my life early on that I want to go back and, like, feel again. So we get to Fayville, North Carolina, and it's such a special, unique place for a lot of

different ways. Fayville is just a small town, but they do have a big army presence with the base being there. So you get the Fayville, and, you know, opportunities are scarce, you know, like, not a lot of exposure, not a lot of, like, motivation and just things for you to be able to do. It's very small, so it taught me how to make something out of nothing. Yeah. And it's not that I had to even, like, be in the worst. exposition there just being there already was terrible bro like you know and even though like

i would be in a nice house terrible in what sense like when you don't have a lot to do in a small city people will result to violence because there's no outlets for kids there's no programs there's no you know places for us to hang out downtown there's no like bars that are just safe like nothing there because people don't have a lot to do nothing to show them and then small town mentality it only because it almost becomes crabs in the barrel you know because you grow up and you're starting to have these dreams like man maybe I could do this maybe I could be this or you know achieve this and you're trying to tell people around you this that live in your city and they've never left yeah they've been there for 30 40 years growing up in the same

spot and they're alive but they're not living yeah so I'm trying to tell people around me that like you'll one day I'm going to be a millionaire one day like people would like listen to my voice one day I'm going to do this and like they're like man shut the fuck up the fuck up dog like you know you can't lead aville it's like quicks sand so that's like a thing for us man is like make it out theville make it out the ville but that is so common everywhere like for most places where people grow up like not necessarily like i guess l.A but even parts of l.A like there's still places where when you grow up in a place it is very common for the people around you who maybe want more out of their life like you want more out of your life they're not willing to put

the effort to get more out of their life and then they'll look at you like oh no that's too hard that's too difficult like you don't need that like you don't you don't you don't Like, I don't need that because you didn't need it. Don't tell me I didn't, I don't, I can't do this shit. And it's not even so much that they didn't need it or they didn't even want it. It's just maybe they just weren't, they weren't aware. Or they didn't think they could. So then they look at you trying to do it and they put you down.

That's what I found. That's how my mindset has changed to it. And it's like, it's not that these people think that they can't have better. It's like lack of knowing what is possible for your life. And I think when you grow up in a small town where you're just not exposed to success at a high level. You're not really seeing people achieve a dream every day. You just don't know what's possible. for your life so i thank god that like barboring gave me an opportunity to travel early like you know as

i'm becoming like an adult just out of high school and i'm able to see the world you know and i credit my brother dennismith junior a lot which is uh and my brother he's an NBA player who's the first one to ever like give me an opportunity to cut him because how did that come about uh man dude i was working in the restaurant man i was just a you know i was just a server in the restaurant still i was cutting um a trainer of his named rel who who would like get his hair cut in my mom's garage because one day his car broke down in front of my mom's house and like late night i'm in there cutting and i open my garage door and this dude is is in front of me like in the parking lot where his car broke down and he's fixing his car and i go over like you know like hey you're good

over here you need anything and i think we just start talking i'm like oh my barber this my like my garage my barber shop in the garage he comes through get a cut and he's telling me like yo you know my boy dennis smith jr about to go to the NBA and i'm like you know i don't really know who that is even though we're in the same city he's obviously doing his fucking thing i'm just just so focused on like just trying to be a trying to do a fade i don't give a fuck about what anything else right now in this moment other than like trying to get my phase right so he's telling me over and over you're like now he's about to go he about to go and i'm like you know we grew up in a small city but like we hear that shit all the time like oh we're about to do this someone's about to do

that so bro i'm a server right and i work in a sports bar so i kid you not a month later i'm working in that sports bar i look up on the tv like i'm waiting for my food to come out and i see fucking number nine draft pick dallas mavericks like dennis smith jricks like denis You got a favor of him with Kieland. I'm like, fuck, he wasn't lying. You know, so a week goes by after the draft, he comes back home, and I just look in the corner of my eyes. I'm working again, and I'm at the counter,

and I just see somebody walk past, like, out my peripheral. And I kind of cut the corner, and I see him going to bathroom. I'm like, oh, shit, Dennis McJulians in the bathroom. There's an NBA player in the bathroom. I'm trying to tell the kitchen. I'm like, dude, this is my moment. And I would take business cards to the restaurant for, like, my barbering. And I would, like, pass him out to my tables after you would, like, eat a meal.

I would bring your receipt with the pen With also a business card wrapped under the receipt Like, yo, if you also need to fade after like we eat I get you tonight, you know? So I like, you know, I go and kind of wait for him To get out the bathroom, I'm in the area And I kind of like just casually bump into him I try to catch the timing to make it look natural

And I know I've been waiting for this dude You know, outside and, you know, I just bump into him And the first thing of my mind is I'm like, yo The Zuzza NBA player It's probably so much attention Being from a small town and going to the NBA, like, in the high lottery pick, like, attention's crazy. Yeah.

I know my heart, I'm going to know I'm a good person. I know I'm only going to be here to service my brother and, like, take care of him. But, like, I want him to know that. Like, what do I say? How do I make him feel comfortable now? And I'm like, you know, I turn around. I'm like, hey, yo, ain't you real homeboy? I didn't want to call him Dennis Smith Jr. off top.

I'm like, everybody's calling him that. I wanted him to know, like, we had a mutual in this and, like, some family here intertwined some way. So I'm like, ain't you real homeboy? And he like, yeah, like, what's up? And I'm like oh shit Well like congratulations on getting drafted man I'm like you know of course but I'm a barber man

And I cut rail's hair and I would love to bless you with a haircut The first thing he ever said to me after that was We from the same city So if you help me I'm gonna help you So first thing he said to me So I'm like yo let me show you my haircuts I pick up my phone and it's like that moment where like No data's coming to your shit you're fucking I'm fucking shaking

Trying to show him a fade like let me see your cuts I'm like hold on hold on And he's like yo give me your card I'm like I bet and I reach in my wallet, bro. I only had one business card left in my wallet. It was the last card. And, you know, things like that are not accidental. So I give him my card thinking, like, you know, he's not going to text me, man.

Leaves and text me, but to lead to where I'm getting at now was like, he gave me my first chance to, like, leave the city and see success at a high level up close. So he brought me to Dallas all his rookie year. He brought me to, like, done contest, you know, the whole. nine yards doing exactly what he said. If I take care of him, you're going to take care of me. At the time, as is barber. As is barber.

He's as his barber and becoming this friend. And, you know, like, so I got to see that, like, early and they exposed me. Like, man, this is really possible for my life. He's living this real life in front of me, real time. I'm watching it happen. So I saw like, man, the world is bigger than Fayetteville. And I came back with that mindset. And I remember the day that I cut him for the first time, I put it on my

Snapchat story. I said, my life will never be the same after today. you know because i thought originally that like it's crazy i say this i thought like he would save me and that's not how the relationship was he brought me everywhere but like never was like oh you gotta fuck like never like just like forcing things in my hand he only showed me what was possible yeah and allowed me to just to grind and create my own like value to to be up there with them i had to just catch it so okay so really interesting you talk about a few times in this in this story and prior about like seeing something be impossible right like so that knowing that

you could do something before it's done right what would you say because obviously like not every kid um is going to have an opportunity to like find themselves in that right position at the right time what would you tell to a younger guy right or someone around your age that like if they don't have that vision of like what's possible or if they're not able to get in a position where they could really see what's possible because I do definitely understand like the the power in being in positions like that and to being like, oh, the world is much bigger than my hometown than where I'm from. And it can be much bigger. And I can have these like opportunities, right? But not everyone is going to be able to have that ability. What would you say to that young guy? Like,

what could he look at? What could he focus on in his life to start to try to create more opportunities for himself than he couldn't necessarily see? Yeah. I mean, three things come to my mind immediately. First thing, first is like comparison is the thief of joy. Don't compare your life to anybody else that you see. And I know that we live in the time of social media with shit is like instant gratification. It's kind of what our generation is based on is like getting instant gratification. But like success is when you can delay that. You could delay that process, be willing to wait for it. Right. So we talk about like having faith for your dream. Faith is believing it when you can't see it. Yeah. So like I get it. You know, you may get on social media today. You see another kid

younger than you probably. And like, and he probably got a Lambo truck. He probably got the girls, the whole nine yards, the crib. And you're like, damn, why don't I have that? You know, and it's like, yo, it's okay. Who cares that that man got of that 1920? It don't mean you have to get a 1920. It doesn't mean that it's not going to come either. Like, it'll come, have faith in that process.

So I thank God that, like, I was given a lot of things at a young age, but I know that it came with much more responsibility than just like, oh, I'm going to make your dream happen here. Like it was to be in a position that I am now. So don't compare it to anybody that you might see on social media, you're like fucking you know bro i mean 90% of time it's not even real oh yeah you know so like you're letting a fuck it you're letting a um like a myth you're letting some fake shit change the way that you think about yourself even i mean it's a highlight real for the most part like like you said

a lot of it is not necessarily real and a lot of it is just someone's best version of their life which is not a clear version of their entire life right or even how they got there because i remember at one point like i don't know i was like i must have been on twitter and this was actually I've talked about this, I don't know if a few times, but I remember at one point I was like, some guy reach out to me and said, you know, you should tweet this guy because he was talking about killing himself, right? And so I tweet the guy and I was like, yo, bro, like give yourself a little more time, you know? And his response to me was like, original response was like, fuck you. You don't know what I've been through. You have all this shit. Like where are you coming

from to tell me otherwise, right? And long story short, because I don't get into crazy details about but I ended up like not I was on the way to Brazil and I fucking come I come out I don't hear about from this guy but at now this point my life he's now a friend of mine who sent me a picture of him and his daughter because he actually was going to kill himself told me that I didn't kill myself because of that thing and then I reached back out to him he flew out I met him I had conversation with him all this crazy shit but my point of saying this is like he originally was like you don't know what I've been through you don't know what I'm going through you don't know what's in my heart and I and I couldn't argue that right but I was only thing I was trying to tell him was like

you give yourself a little bit more time because it's important so you can see the bigger picture because when you're in those moments sort of like complete like I'm ready to you know end my life we talk about suicide a little bit that like you don't see you're you almost like a horse with blinders on like you can't see the light you can't see what else could be great out there because you're so focused on going down this path because that's a very serious thing like if you're thinking about that you've obviously you've obviously like foregoed all the other things that could be good potentially in your future right because you don't see a future so I talked to this guy And now he like, all the time he'll text me,

a picture of him and his daughter saying thank you and how old she is now. And like basically, you know, his daughter wouldn't have this father if I didn't come in and do that. And obviously it wasn't just me. Like he did make the decision to be like, you know what? Fuck it. He gave me credit for like spurring, I guess, that switch to look somewhere else instead of like down that barrel.

But the reason why I'm saying this is like it's easy to see something when it's there that like you know you believe that it's possible this idea that I could have more out of my life because you see it because you're experiencing it but when you don't see any possibility of something better what would you say to that person like how would you how would you have them go through not seeing that possibility at all i mean i believe there's a test before every promotion you know that's truly what i believe and you know as as dark as some of those times may feel when you feel like you're getting tested you know i feel like you know you got to hold your faith you got to hold your word you got to get through it because on the other side of all the

pain and everything that you have to go through to get there like it makes you 10 times more grateful for it and if you don't go through those times it's hard to say like will i even appreciate this when i have it so i talk about this a lot like i thank god that i had to go through those things i think god i almost like i've been through the trauma i have because it made me really look at my life and understand that these things are precious the the biggest blessing that we take for ground I heard, you know, Inkey Johnson say this is the, it's the blessing of just getting home every day. Safe.

You know, so I think about like, you know, it may not look like right now as I'm looking at it, like shit is hitting the fan, but it could be 10 times worse, bro. And if I'm here, the fact that I'm alive and breathing and I have all five senses, like, that is all that you need to turn it around. Yeah.

That's all you need, bro. You don't need no, I promise you, to turn your shit around, you don't need somebody to come save you. You don't need no fucking, like, you got it if you have the strength you got to understand that you know god give you everything that you need to get through it you already equipped for it so like test before a promotion and I look at those hard times you know even like two weeks ago I'm going through a tough time and

I'm just you know really not same shit like I'm human too I'm thinking like damn what if this is like to start to the end but I'm like fuck no like don't even start to think like that because I know this shit will turn around and within two weeks bro not even knowing where the answers will come from bro people will walk into your life that you never know what have the impact on you that they do and that's how that's how the world i've woken up some days man and gotten a call and things have never been the same again so i seen that happen and it gives me enough hope to know that like you know fuck if it's not today i can bet it might be tomorrow yeah and if it ain't if it ain't tomorrow i could bet it'll be the next day the corner could turn at any time yeah yeah it's

It's crazy, too, because, like, the story that I was telling you, it's, the guy, and I wanted to make this point in regards to this, the story was like, the guy didn't see, right? So it also comes down, like, perspective. He didn't see when he was telling me, yo, fuck, you don't know what I'm going through. When I finally got back to him and because he was able to give me a little bit of time, then I started to talk to him a little bit more, he was like, oh, I didn't even realize you, because he looked at me as someone who, like, you have all this stuff, you have this

money, you have this celebrity. So you don't film, you know, like, yeah. Yeah. So he's like, I don't know what the fuck. I can't even listen to you. Right. Like fuck you, right? But then when I told him a little bit more about my life, because he, you know, he just probably wasn't following or as keen to all the stuff that I have talked about or gone through. Because I've talked about this stuff to this point. But I told him specifically, I was like, yo, I've actually gone through this. I went through, uh, through fucking my dad killing himself. I went through the ideas of suicide myself. I went through a depression. I've go through anxiety. Like I've dealt with all that. And he didn't know that at the time, right? Because his only perspective was what his hurt was. And then he saw me as a person who was just like, you know, some celebrity. person who was just like, yo, life can be better, man, I promise. So all this comes down to also perspective, right? You don't need, again, like we're talking, you were just saying, you don't need some celebrity person to say like, yo, you can do it, bro. It is true, like, that sometimes

it's easier to have that help, but at the same time, it is, it is a fact of what you said that you do have what it takes. Like, and I talked to the kids that it'll be like, some kid will come up to, came up to me like two weeks ago at the gym and was like, yo, bro, I really appreciate what you've been doing like what you do like I've been watching for this many years and you help me lose all this way and like you changed my life and you saved me and all this shit right it was such an interesting thing because he was asking me he was like he was telling me how like I did all this shit for him and he attributed like his his change to me and I was like okay well first off like I appreciate that I appreciate the love but at the same time you put the work in right

and then I and then I asked him and this was the interesting thing he's like yeah you're right he understood that and then I asked him and I said well why did you get to that point where you were overweight you felt so bad about yourself and on the same sentence he's like well because he felt bullied so at the same time he he understood that he had the power he also was giving his power away to someone else because he got to that point but obviously at the same time I wanted to make this known he did that prior right so it's about sometimes it's a perspective and realizing like prior to him realizing he had his own power he gave his power away to someone else who bullied him to, in his mind, to a position where he felt like, oh, shit, I'm not good enough.

I'm going to eat this food to make myself feel better. I'm going to do this to make myself feel better. All these, like, self-destructed behaviors to make myself feel better because I felt hurt from this person, right? And then some point comes in his life where he started watching some shit of me or maybe someone sees some shit of you and they're like, oh, I could turn it around. And this is the thing that I'm getting to, the kind of conversation I'm trying to get to is like, then he changed his life and he's like, yo, it's amazing.

I want to do this for other people. The thing that I find so interesting nowadays is like, social media specifically there's it's so divisive at times like with you know with this like cancel culture this like censorship stuff or just in general the way people make content that is like just negative for society versus like positive for society yeah i mean yo that you know not even to cut you off but the point that you said right there was the start of like the fire for me early because being in fayetteville and seeing the bullshit that would happen all over me to the people around me and people are losing their life and going through shit shooting and

the whole nine yards like seeing that and then looking around to like what we're indulging in at the time I'm like I graduated 2017 from high school it sounds nuts to say but you know during that time of like 2014 2017 like media at that time you know music at that time culture at that time was just a lot about like drugs and lean and the sound cloud era of like who could get the most face test right now could be it could be popular next week You know, who gets the craziest chain right now It could be popular next week And it's like, like, who the fuck is 18, 19

showing us how to really be successful And like really show us how to grow So like that already bothered me, man And like when you said earlier that I'm glad Like I really appreciate those words When you were like, you know, you chose a hard path And that's how I feel You know, because I get it, bro

It's not the most popular shit to say I'm not the most like fucking, you know Clickbaiting name in the world I'm not, you know, popular to be on every show. I talk about some deep-ass shit, but like I believe in what I talk about and I'm willing to stand on it and I believe in the power it has

and I don't care how long it takes as long as somebody hears me, like I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And I didn't get into it understanding like I would even be here with the platform and the support that I have today. But you follow purpose and if you believe where you're heading to,

all the other shit is a byproduct of that process. God wants you to have money. He wants you to have the house you want he wants you to have the car you dream he wants you to eat how you want but he wants you to know why you're doing it and i found out why i'm doing it and everything else took care of itself but i figured out early on like if i'm going to do this shit it's got to be purpose and that changed my life man yeah and i think it's really important to say this like if we talk about this idea of god and what you want it or you having it and being able to have it i think god also wants

you to want it meaning like it's not enough to be like you see someone else have and you go damn that's cool he has it like you have to want it wanted enough to put it an effort to get it even when you're not getting it, even when it's not coming to you, even when you're like, fuck, I spent two years I didn't get anything from this, but I was working on this and it didn't come to where I wanted it to be, right? I think it's really important for people, especially young people to realize because nowadays everything is so like, like you said earlier, you see the guy who's 20, you're like, he has this stuff that I don't have and I'm 21 and he's younger to me, he's got it, I should have

it. This comparison, right? Yeah, the fucking thief of happiness. It's the worst thing ever. And it's like so prevalent nowadays because of the internet, because of the internet, because of social media because of TikTok all this shit like it's like baked into it the fact that like you get on TikTok and you can get views because someone else uses a sound that's popular that everyone's used and they do the same thing you get views based on the fact that you're all

doing the same shit like people are so wrapped up in this idea of like I don't know if it's copying or like following or just like just that idea in general but that can create this mentality in people that like because they don't get what someone else has doing what someone else did then they have this look on themselves like wow well am I not good enough and ultimately it goes back to the same thing we were talking about earlier why are you actually doing something like it actually means something to you right in your conversation remember you said about the verse that the jada kiss verse right things that i've been through exactly so like you have your success and your ability to relate to people because of

your own journey and people are looking now and everyone else's journey being like oh they have this why don't i have that's like well it's not your fucking life and then also too like even to the successful people i know we talked about it also like not being real but then sometimes it is real And what I've learned is like Who knows what that person been through? But nobody's been through what you've been through So like don't you know You can't just expect to have anybody else's life

Even the people that are successful I might see it online I'm like damn that looks like amazing It's not oh I deserve that too It's like man Maybe that person honestly just like earned it And like I gotta earn it myself I don't always look at it like

Ah man like an envious type of feeling But like sometimes it's like you know Man that person really is deserved to be of that position yeah well it's all perspective like i was saying earlier it's like you could see something just for what it is yeah so many different ways but that's why that's why social media is becoming this like really interesting place in which i'm also just grateful that there's more people like you i originally reached out to you because i'm just glad there's more people who are like and actually wanting you're proving that there's more people that actually want that sort of

content that is not just like you know because i here's what i think about it man like i believe even what I'm saying. I know it's like coming from the heart. I know it's coming for like, I know my words. I feel like some of my words are prolific sometimes. Like I feel I'm here for a fucking mission, man. And I may not say the shit that you say in the club.

You know, whatever I do may not be the thing you're on the club, but I guarantee it's the last thing you think about before you go to bed. And everybody is lying that they tell you that they don't think about that real ass shit at least once in their day. You know,

but I think opening people are up to see like you can be vulnerable and still be successful. Yeah. Because I think even some artists or some people that live these images that they have on social media, I think that like if I tell them how I really feel, I'll lose this. And it's not the case, man. Because I think, you know, support and creating a brand and a fan base, like,

they just want to know that it's real and that it's like tangible. And that's something that I've communicated through my brand. And like, as I was intentional with building this, I have tangible written down on like my things. Because if I'm going to be this inspiration, I need to let people know how I really got here and how they can do it too because if i could do it you literally can't everybody can't be exactly me but i promise like i never want you to feel like i'm out of a out of reach to you like i want everybody to come up to me feel like they can hug me and like tell me how they feel so like those were things that i thought about and i try to express that through the through my building

phase but i have a question for you too because you said it earlier with like you know people copying and doing this because they see like a sound like how do you feel when people copy you and how do you take that's interesting um nowadays i don't care at all anymore nowadays i expect it tell me tell me how you looked at it first and tell me how you look at it now yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you that so i remember uh back in like 2012 it must have been because i started instagram very early started instagram the beginning of 2011 and in 2010 when it started which is fucking forever ago right uh i'm 33 so long story short i was on i was on social media very early on I had like a Twitter in 2008 I was always trying to figure out this

internet thing because in my mind I was like damn if I could just like do stuff on the internet that means I could because I what you want to do on the internet you know because I'll tell you I could because look I'm gonna tell you this obviously I know who you are I don't know your story yeah you know and I didn't want to know because I wanted this to be an honest genuine like interaction I didn't want to watch an old I wanted to like get this right here right in like real time and have a real reaction to like things that you would tell me so yeah because of that i didn't i didn't go through like you know i didn't do my due diligence like i like i normally would do it like as far as the journals but you know i just

wanted to like listen man so i'm just here to listen yeah it's fine that's great that's pretty much how i do most of my podcast um so anyways just to give you some some perspective like i said earlier i grew without a father took my took his life when when i was six he hung himself i'm sorry about that brother it's fine um but so long story short i was always a very like introspective like not super extroverted person um So I was really into playing video games. So when I'm like... What game?

Unreal tournament. Halo. Diablo. Fucking World of Warcraft. Starcraft. Like, you could think all this old school shit. Like, everyone listened to.

Did you play Roomscape? I played a little bit of Roomscape, but I never got into it. I played the fuck out of some Roomscape. Yeah. I never really got caught into that too much. I played it a little, but I was more like Diablo and shit like that. Yeah. So anyways, long story short, I was a kid.

So I'm like 14, 15, 16. And I'm thinking, like because I had a tour of 2008 I think I was 16 years old so my idea was I remember reading all the time on on these websites they would talk about like how e-commerce and how like social media is going to change the world and before so none of this existed like this I mean I'm eight years old of that yeah yeah 2008 so none of this shit existed so I'm like reading these articles at like 15 years old like this it was on this site called c-net I'm reading these articles about how like social media is going to change the world and e-commerce is going to change

the world. And so I'm like, well, what is that? And I'm looking at it's like, oh, money made, money made on the internet, e-commerce. What are you doing in 2008 for your job at this time? What are you doing? I worked at Quiznos. Yeah. Were you still, were you swole? Oh, I was skinny as fuck. I was skinny. I was like you. I can imagine like a swall ass Bradley working at Quiznos making a, bro. I was skinny. A fucking sandwich like just massive. No, dude. But I was, I did get, I did like get, I kind of quit from Quiznos because like I wanted to make bigger sandwiches, but the lady He was always mad, so you can only make this little sandwich, like the ones you get You're trying to hook the folk up that come through.

You're trying to hook them up. And myself, though. I was trying to get the biggest. Anyways, long story short, I was so, I was so interested in video games and being at home that I was like, yo, if I could figure out a way to make money on the internet, that'd be amazing because then I could play video games. So my idea of this, it spawned from a place that was pretty selfish and pretty introverted where I was like, I just want to like be able to figure out a way to make money on the internet.

So long story short, I had always been ahead of the. the curve as far as like downloading these apps and they were talking about Instagram was going to come out and I was like oh this is because I was on Twitter and I was like I don't know how to fucking use this shit it was like before Twitter looks like it is now back in the day it was just like this ugly ass notepad looking website where it looked like a notepad like if you could imagine what your notes look like before they updated iOS a thousand times it was like it looked like an actual notepad where you typed and like it was just they were talking about people were making money in the fitness industry and I was like I was always interested in working out

Instagram comes and I'm thinking like oh this sounds like it's it and so I'm down this app it's only on the iPhone I'm telling all these people to fucking follow me like because at this time I'm working at the gym this is in like late 2011 I'm working in a 24 hour fitness and I'm like telling these people to follow me who just anybody you see anyone people that I work out with like not just anyone random but I was a trainer so this I'm just fast forward years now in 2011 and I'm telling my buddies like yeah this is going to be it like what the fuck are you talking about because at the time people were just using that app and putting it was an app that like

Instagram was a same thing it is now with followers and stuff but like no one was on it and you would take a picture and you'd pick like an ugly ass frame I mean I remember like obviously being like 2012 yeah like I remember like they would have like certain presets and like they everybody would use that one that kind of had like the film like a photo thing at the bottom and it was like these every if you were oh if you was on Instagram as like OG

everybody knows exactly what like an OG Instagram filter looks like and if you showed me a photo and I would know exactly like oh yeah he took that on Instagram but they didn't even use Instagram like they were just using it for the filter take the photo and then put it on Facebook

I would put that fucking Vigente shit the darkness around the I would do that shit to every photo that I did I would do the circle blur I would circle blur and like you know how they had that thing where you could do the circle

or you could do the straight line and it would blur everything else and I would just fucking blur everything so you just hit him in the middle like Dog, that's hilarious. So, so, yeah, anyways, long story short, I was just like, I was so, like, I was so like, damn, I want to figure out how to do this thing on the internet because,

again, it spawned from the idea of I want to be able to, like, play video game straight up and just be, like, in my house. So, long story short, I was probably one of the first creators on Instagram in the fitness space to really blow up. And I so the reason why I'm telling you this story, because it relates to being copied, right? Because that's what your question you asked. Copy. Yeah, how do you do?

So in the beginning, I was one of the first people to sell this thing that everyone calls now. It's very readily available known as online coaching in the fitness space. And people make, I'm sure that's, that lane is probably like, everyone's making tons of money doing this now. So I remember doing this and all the other, I remember it was like the first person with like 10,000 followers on Instagram. And I swear to God I remember this because I remember going to a fitness like convention. 10,000 is crazy, right? No, I know because I actually have a nutty social media like. backstop but I let you finish out yeah I got you so I'm like going to a fitness show because I was

competing around the time and I literally remember walking past someone in Culver city auditorium here in L.A. and I was going to do the show and I'm walking past like I must have my tan on everything and they said is that yeah no not even that is that Bradley fucking Martin are you fucking no no they were like that's that's I wasn't even my name wasn't cool then but they said that's the guy with 10,000 followers. Yeah, I was like, yo, you know what it is. I was like, you know what it is? It came me.

I was like, get me, because I had the K. So anyway, it was serious. So, so anyways, like that was my life and I was like thinking, oh, this was cool. And then I started, I started to grow more. I think around like 300,000, I started selling this online coaching thing. And everyone was like, bro, I remember that I had friends, other people that had like, you know, 10, 20,000, 30,000, 50,000. I would like write these captions and I would create these little like squares. How would you, how do you, I don't even know, you know, maybe this is a two of a question.

I'm just thinking, but how do you gain on social media that early? What the fuck do you, no reels on, like, how do you gain? I think because fitness, I think because it's so visual. You feel me? Because there's like, you know, there's methods to like creating certain content and reels and what's, like, yo, early on, I can't believe. Like, I don't even know how you would find, like, other shit. Yeah, well, back in the day, bro, like, Instagram was, it had one explore page. And if you got on that one explore page

There wasn't the categories There was no categories There was no base on what you like There was none of that It was like if you got on that export page Because your photo got enough It just worked like this Instagram used to be Instagram

You posted at like 5 o'clock On like a fucking Monday Because people were out of work And you knew that You find engagement That's how it would do a lot of my early videos And I would like time it to be at the top of like Because then they be

They created those like The sub You know like the explore page With different categories Based on what you like Based on who you follow So I learned that if I hashtag of fat and I still it's funny I still post hashtags on every video if you post fat hashtags

and got all your followers to engage with it you'd be at the top of every hashtag yeah so back in a day bro it was like none of that existed it was just if you got a photo that got enough engagement fast enough you got on this explore page for three days and if you're on there for three days bro you'd get thousands of followers like you would just stack followers because it was the whole app it wasn't like Instagram here Instagram there it was one explore page for everybody so you would grow like that But anyways, long story short, I post these, like, captions, like, and I post these little squares that was selling online coaching. And I was doing really well when I first started this.

And I remember seeing other people who had similar followings, a little less, maybe sometimes start growing a little more. Girls would typically get more followers faster because it was very visual. Like how you grew back then, it was because I think fitness did really well because it was visual. You'd see someone with ads. You'd see someone who looked good and you were like, you clicked you wanted to like it, right? But then I noticed people would start copying like literally word for word, like these captions that I would write. It's when I was selling the coaching or like, and so I was like blocking all these people and I was, I remember being so mad. And then it got to the point where I just realized like, yo, I'm fucking Coca-Cola and all these people are Pepsi, bro.

Straight up. They were just trying to play catch up. And but it pissed me off because when people were like straight plagiarizing word for word shit, that's when I was like, you know, that's just, it's kind of disrespectful to me. Because it's like, it hurts a little bit, bro. I mean, it does sting a little bit. I feel the same when I would first see like, man, this dude stole my idea exactly word for it. and when you value your ideas as a creative person, but that's really, like, sensitive to take somebody's idea.

I would never steal somebody's ideas. There was a person that literally, like, I don't know if I ever talked about this, but there was a person that, like, I used to hashtag the online coach. And there was a dude who literally created his whole brand, the online coach. I remember texting being like, yo, what do you like? Because I remember I would hashtag it all the time.

And then one day I saw, he started hashtag it. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, yo, like, are you? He's like, oh, like, pretty much too late. I already got a website and I didn't know about that at the time And I was like oh this motherfucker just like The thing that I was making a thing

And I thought I was making a thing Someone did someone just straight Snashed it was like it's my website And this is my brand now And I remember being like holy fuck So that was like my very first experience Where I was like That's like hold on

Because that's such an important lesson Bro to fucking protect your ideas Huge And protect your dreams I just didn't even know It was a thing that had to be protected Until it was too late You know what I'm saying

So I mean wish I would have known but obviously that's the thing with all this stuff and we keep talking about it is like my whole life is an example of going through things so that like now I know more because I've been able to go through it and deal with it and understand it and it's all a real experience for me it's not like someone I saw someone else go through it and like oh I get it and I should look out for these things like I know what I know because I've fucking been through anything you could think of in this fucking industry in regards to like all this kind of shit being taken advantage of beat all this shit man like everything so I'm not at all like

upset about it. So when you asked me now, then how I felt it was like, yo, fuck these people they're copying me. It was younger me too. Younger me was like, block, block, block. And now I'm like, I'm at a point now where I'm like, I just don't give a fuck because I expect it. Because if someone sees this is good, I can't expect someone else to be like, oh, I could do that in my way. It hurts when they do like directly. But at the same time, too, like if we're talking about this kind of content, wouldn't you want generally in, in general, more people to copy your content It just because it's better for people. So let me, yeah, let me tell you how, you know, like how I felt because I see it now.

And it's never something I really even talked about because there's lots of people doing like free hair cut videos. And they tag me every day in it and like, yo, I love it. Yeah. I absolutely love it. I'm so, I can't even believe it sometimes looking at people doing a free haircut video. And I'm like, damn, man, like he's really doing this. And at first when I saw it, it rubbed me wrong because I'm like, you know, man, I just, I worked through trial and error to find this format and find like you know where I'm at so when you had this creative idea you kind of like want to

protect that and think it's yours but then like yo very quickly I understood like man I check myself and I check myself a lot and I check myself I'm like that's selfish you know like that's really selfish you to think like that because you said that you want to do this to impact and if I have you know inspired somebody in a way to go do the same thing for their people I feel extremely grateful to do so so now when I see barber's like do free hair because in the community bro I like light up and I'm like dude like hell yeah there's a guy yeah let me go ahead to give him a shout out right now there's a barber name too cute from lagos all the way out there like you know in africa somewhere like that is doing exactly like word for word like free

haircut videos and he loves it does he speak as well it's english he just said yeah he's practicing his english in another country bro and he's interviewing these people in his country bro and they have nothing like you could look on the outside and it looks like maybe they have nothing as far as physical but like I believe you have everything when you do shit like that and I've watched his videos bro and he's loving it bro each video he's probably done like 30 40 videos on his page and they only have like 50 10 15 likes on it but he's doing it and doing it doing it and he loves it and he's inspired and like that I looked at that shit I'm like you know man to anybody out there that that is inspired you know I would encourage you to like you know make it your own thing but if

I can help be a part of that process for you to feel like you want to make a chance I feel honored to do so, man. Yeah. For real. It's beautiful. That's how it should be. Let's talk about the bigger picture of social media in general, in the sense of like, do you think social media is a net positive or a net negative for people?

It's funny you brought perspective up so early because that's how it is. You know, like, how you could look at it from a magnitude of different ways. Yeah. You know, for me, I looked at it like, yo, if I feel like my purpose here is to motivate and inspire, then this platform and this tool of social media allows me to do that and connect with people I may never really ever physically get to see people across the world people in different countries people in different states like if my feel my purpose is to get my word out and inspire as many as I can

then this is a tool to help me do so yeah you know what's interesting about that the question I even asked in your in your response is the platforms themselves also kind of show you more of what you look for just in general based on the algorithms Because the whole idea of the platform is to keep you on the platform longer. So in general, and I've learned this just from like, I know enough about social media. I've been on it for long enough. You see how it changes. You see how it moves.

Even how we talked earlier about Instagram being like, this is based on stuff you like. This is based on people you follow. So it almost puts you in ecosystems based on the kind of content that you watch. So overall, I think it can be a really net positive if you're looking for it to be. Right. If you want it to be there. Yeah. And what you look at because it's like if you, anyone could do this.

Anyone can take this test right now. If you go on your social media, you look on TikTok or you look on Instagram, if you start looking at, let's just say, for example, pictures of girls and you start doing that on your social media. Next thing you know, your explore page is going to be a lot of pictures of girls. You start looking about pictures of like breakups or content about breakups. At this point, you just talk about some shit your phone going to listen to you, man. So this is, but this is the thing where it gets interesting is like I think more people should be aware of this fact because like let's say you're in like a really negative mindset and you're clicking on stuff about like breakups. You're going to get more shit about breakups and it's going to lead you further down that. path is that the path you really want to go to that's going to be most beneficial for your

mentality i love that you say that because you know like i the tattoo on my neck and like my neck tattoos are like always most frequently asked question like what do you have why you have you know what's on your neck um and like this side specifically is a world and under it it just says create yours yeah it's extremely important because you really can't control you wet physically sometimes and right now you may be somewhere where it's like fuck if i could just move if i could just get out But if I could just be in a different position physically, like, things would be different. But I learned that, like, that's not my world where I'm at physically. It's where I'm at mentally.

So now we're going to have. So look, it's the things that you watch every day. Look, it's the things that you listen to. It's the people you fucking talk to, the music that you live. Like, all that shit is your world. And, like, because I had to tell myself that because I'm in favor of North Carolina, cutting in my brother's garage. I have no AC in the garage, sweating like a dog, middle of summer.

Every friend, every, you know, I'm. I'm first year out of high school. Every one of my friends got their first pick D1 colleges having the time of their lives and I'm sitting there going through the mud and I'm reminding myself like

I can't change right now that I'm in the garage I don't got a license yet I'm in school I'm just grinding but you know my world is not what I see on these four walls my world is like

what the fuck I think every day and I remind myself of wherever I'm at to create that and like I'm creating that here you know this is in my house but like I'm making sure that I bring the energy I want to a room and I make sure I bring like everything you could create that wherever you at and when I started working in prison reform and I would go and take

these visits and you would meet a guy who's a lifer he is going to die in prison he knows it and they find purpose within those walls bro knowing that I'm never coming out all right if I'm never coming out then my purpose is to make sure the guys that do come in and have a chance to come out don't end up like me and they find purpose and they wake up happy every day still when you would look at it and know like man you're not going to get out and it's like it's okay like I'm here to do something for other guys that come in and like that's that creates your work create yours mentality yeah and it's all perspective it's all it's all purpose driven so that's the thing like I think I think we just in general man like in social media and in the world

because social media is becoming the world essentially like it's all these like collective thoughts in this place I think we should and we need more people like you we need more people that are trying to actually make this positive instead of negative. Because when we talk about the music, you listen to all this stuff, there's so much negativity involved in all that shit that, like, people are just constantly pushing through their minds. And it's like, that was my motivation, bro. Like, I was like, you know, bro, people don't get it, man.

Like, you know, maybe they do get it. Because now I've been in the entertainment industry. Like, maybe do people do get it how important it is, but they're not, they don't have the will enough to be like, all right, I'm going to stand on that because money's too good. Yeah. fame's too good numbers too good i can't say real shit we talked about that a little bit earlier like i can't do it because they might not love me no more and bro when you understand like

well didn't this is the thing i'm sorry interrupt you didn't they even say like future even talked about the fact that like he would rap about taking drugs even though he didn't really take that many drugs but he knew that's what people wanted to listen to bro that's that's scary that really that really that really hurts and it's you know you say future because like i remember being high school that's an interview he said that but like molly perk like the molly perkins said like that was in high That was my high school, high school jam, and I'm like, what are we saying, bro? Yeah. And, bro, I've lost kids that, like, I've cut in my garage, my little brother's best friend that, like, I fucking, like, I've cut his hair and he slept over our house.

I grew up with his sister, like, bro, these guys are passing away from pills. And it's like, you know, rest of peace, my little man, T.J., but like, like, dog, something's got to change, man. And that shit really brings a lot of pain. But I, I, I, you know, do you know how much fucking value? You know how much power you have right now to be with that mic in this camera? Like if this shit gets a million views If a video gets a million views And they hear me say some shit

That could fucking hurt their life Like dog I gotta live with that But if this video gets a million views And I could tell somebody how I can become a better person They could do at least one Like that feels a lot better than me Than if I could get 20 million Talking about some other shit

You know like it doesn't fucking I mean that's The power of influence is insane All these influences Everybody has a power to influence millions And like take that shit serious That shit ain't a light job It's not a light role that you're playing.

You're playing with the way that people see themselves every day. And that's why I really like, I became, like, I get it, man. I got so much follows on this platform. But, like, it's hard for me to really associate and find friends within this industry as well and be in this, like, community because, you know, I just got really strong opinions about, like, what I'm here to do. And I want people to feel that. And I don't want to be friends with you because you another TikToker. I don't want to be cool with you because you were another barber.

Like, I want to be cool with you because you were a good fucking person and I love you for that. I don't want to be I don't want to fuck with you because you got other followers I don't give a fuck about that man like I want people to accept me so like my closest friends of people that I have in my life have nothing to do with social media they have nothing to do with being famous or like you wouldn't even like you couldn't you couldn't tell me what my circle looked like because I will hang out and accept anybody as long as you bring good energy and you're just who you are like you don't have to be I don't fucking hang out with other people who are famous

and you all the time man I'm chilling with my same my same two friends I grew up with since sixth grade man like That's the type of person that I've always been. You've always been that way. I mean, growing up in Fable, like, dude, look at my childhood idol, Jay Cole. Like, I've seen Dennis Smith Jr., my brother, like, now we got Moray. Like, we've had very, it's a small place. Not a lot comes out, but you have success.

Success will find in this city. It comes out. So I've had mentors and looking at these guys that have came from the same predicament as me, and I'm looking at how they handled this success. And I'm like, you know, he's got 10. times more to me why the fuck would I act like I made it more than he made he acting right now like why am I like treating people shitty when like this guy has way more to me and he just he's treating people nice like who am I like I got to check and humble myself all the time because

you know dog why do you why do you think people get caught up in in like being able to just like oh let's say I have the popularity or even fuck the popularity just why do you think people get caught up in the negative just in their life in general and like they just keep going point down that path, even though most of them, or you would know, I mean, from my experience, too, I've, even when I've gone down the negative roads, I knew that it's not where I wanted to go. And I knew that, like, I needed to go a different direction. And I let myself keep, like, if we're talking about just in not necessarily general talk specifically, relationship stuff, right? For example, you know you're in a relationship. You're like, man, I probably shouldn't be in this, but I'm attached to this feeling or I'm attached to this emotion. So I'm staying in it. Or I'm selfish because I don't want to let this go. So I'm going to stay in it. And you know it's not good. And I don't even want to like take it like this deep man, but. But I'll just say it how I feel because, you know, like, bro, the devil will give you everything you want the same way that God will give it to you. And sometimes you'll be giving, like, the physical, you'll be giving the car, you'll be giving the money.

It's like, sometimes, bro, like, yeah, you pray to the devil for that. He'll give it to you. But like, God will give the same thing, but maybe just not right now. But you have the same outcome, but like, you receive some things. You think, like, oh, yeah, like, I'm supposed to be doing this with this. and it's just really not how the path looks and you know you gotta admit like you know

bro when you do get successful and you do get a lot of money like you do like pop with whatever like yeah sometimes you kind of do get caught up in that and I've got caught up in that you know when I came to Atlanta bro I thought I had to have a chain

I thought I had to look like everybody else I thought I had to drink I thought I had to smoke I thought I had to have like the nice car and I was like yo when I go to the club nobody looks at me because I ain't got a chain on my neck I bought a fucking Vic Blans bus down chain Sound like Stainty? Yeah, it's like, I bought a Vic Blan's buzz down chain.

I'm like, this is the dumbest shit I ever fucking did in my life, man. And it's backwards as hell because, you know, Jay Cole got a song, Chaining Day. And he's like, what do he say? He's like, he said, fake it till you make it. Me, I did the opposite, made it, then I faked it, acted like I gave a fuck money. I was saving up to buy a critters, gave it to that hunter racks. I gave it up for what? Why?

Like, he did it. You know, so I'm looking at this, and then I hear this song my whole life growing up, and then I go through it, and I'm holding it. And I'm holding that chain while I'm listening to chain day, like, now this don't really feel right, bro. Why do I buy this? Like, you know, I bought this not for me. I didn't do this for me.

And, you know, sometimes that's how you get into kind of this bad space of like, you know, I'm doing this shit because I think it's pleasing people, man. It's interesting how that that's one of the most significant things I think I've learned in my life is like doing things just for other, like, not necessarily like that it's bad to do things for other people, but doing things because you're trying to just like make someone else feel different about you or make someone else be like impressed with you. Like so then you start to coordinate the things that you do in relationship to like trying to get a response or trying to get like looked at a certain way and that's that's what I'm saying just in social media in general there's this whole side where it's like this this whole like just I guess I can't say it's negative but it's this glorifying just kind of like useless shit it's just glorifying things that don't actually matter and don't actually but I would say this too bro because I've had like you know really important combos about this and you know I've made like videos talking about like what I would do with my money and this and like you know like to the people that do buy those

chains and do buy those things like you can't even you know you can't blame them either and I can't say to like everybody that spent their money on jury made a bad decision like that's not the case because you know like bro my life was you know what it is but then some people's lives are like you know 10 times harder bro and when you get to like buy something like that like I'm around yeah I'm around like little baby and all these guys in the land all the time and like so I'm seeing this in front like the the watch is not you think it's just a watch but to them they don't look at it like it's just a watch like this is a trophy this is like represent something this is representation that i didn't give up so like if that's what motivates

some some guy they feel good like bro you got to let them do that like i can't tell everybody what they should be doing with their money because i don't do it or the way that i dress or what you should be wearing but like i found that out because i'm like you know well that's how i feel but i don't want to hurt anybody by saying that and nelly was the one that actually like had this convo with me and he was like a champ like as i'm cutting the one he's like a champ like i saw your video and I liked it, but I want you to know how you make somebody else feel that did buy that watch. And if you want to talk about this, like, think about it because Nelly, I've been cutting Nelly for a couple of years and he's watched me grow from coming to Atlanta

at first comes. Like now, and when I made those videos talking about those things, it's like, yeah, it came off aggressive because I thought it was real at first. But then it's like, you know, bro, you could have that opinion, express it, allow people to hear you, but not offend nobody. And like, if you want to keep moving and keep, like, Like having this great energy that you already carry is like, you know, think about the way that you're going to say something because somebody that really did come from the fucking dirt and finally got that bust down and watch. Like it doesn't mean the same that it means to you. Fact. So don't like, like, watch the way you word it.

And I was like, you know, that changes the way I look at it too. You know, and it's okay for some people to do so. But it can get, yeah, I keep going on. No, no, you're, you nailed it. I mean, that's, I mean, there's no right way for any of this stuff to exist. Like, you can't say this exactly wrong. It's exactly right. It's also inevitable, though, bro.

Like, everybody will, somebody will get offended about something, bro. You know, like, it's inevitable, and you got to accept that at the same time. But I'm just conscious, and I put my best effort to try to include everybody. But at the end of the day, I can't make everybody happy. And at a certain point, I got to unapologetically just, like, be myself. Yeah. But I just do my due diligence, and I think as long as my heart is there, people can't forgive. Of course.

Because you may look at somebody's intent, like, or somebody's action, but that wasn't they intent. Yeah. You may have told me something and been like, man, that hurt. But, like, if your heart was in the right place, I could forgive you. Yeah. If you meant otherwise when you said something to me, I could forgive you for that. But you may have not just put it out in the way that I really received it that way. Yeah.

That's a fact. So you mentioned Nell. You mentioned a little baby. Who are the other people or, like, is there anyone that stands out in particular that you really enjoy, like, working with or cutting? I don't really cut, you know, because I just also like, I don't cut anymore. Just no cutting. Just unless it's for some content? I do cut little babies.

I do cut baby, you know, because I'm in Atlanta and we've had like this relationship for like three years now and, you know, he's took him, bro, took him to get me a lot in Atlanta and I can't explain what he's done for me and stuff. But, yeah, like I don't cut anymore. You know, it just stopped being the thing that I'm doing. That decision came not because I just have better things going on here is because, yo, you'll get called up for, you know, some shit.

And it's like, because somebody can afford me, they can buy my time and they can buy my energy essentially. Because you have enough money for a haircut You could just book me Imagine right now If someone could book just Vic Blans for a cut Like I wouldn't be able to sit here And I have this combo with you

And I feel like this combo was more important Than it could be To any dollar It meant amount of dollars Somebody could pay me for a cut Right So it's just opportunity cost Opportunity cost

And then like why am I hearing Why do I want to do this? Like I remember being in the studio Bro late night 2 a.m. I'm in there cutting all day And I'm fucking you know I'm making money

But I'm also like my girls At the house by yourself for my fucking dogs that I left the mid-dinner to come to the studio and cut and someone, some,

a rapper walks in and he's like, hey man, like you got me next. And I'm like, dog, I've been cutting all, I've just been cutting all day.

I got to go, bro, like it's so late. And he's like, I know you'll stay for $100. And I was like, damn. Is that how people like,

look at me? Like, I don't have been like, bro, I'm out. Is that how you're looking? Is that like, but that was like,

the day I sat around. I'm like, nah, this can't be, this can't be it like there's no way like a hundred dollars could be enough to like get me out of my bed and like leave my girl and like walk and just go at this point in your life for sure yeah like far i can man i can and like as much as i would love to keep cutting everybody i just that's not what i'm here for anymore and it was really just a vehicle barbman became a vehicle for me

so like i just don't cut celebrities for that fact i don't chase i don't charge money for haircuts like but if you really ever wanted me to cut you and you just really wanted me to do it i would just come do it you don't have to pay me to come do it I just want to do it because I think my value was not in the haircut anymore. You do beard or what? Bro, I got you. Yeah, like, dude, my value is not in a haircut. And I found that out.

Like, before, that was all my value was. So when you would think about me, you would think haircut. And I hated that because I'm like, man, God gave me so many different talents, bro, I could do anything. I'm creative. I produce. I can make content. I can shoot.

I got an eye for other things that I'm learning. But everybody only sees the haircut. Yeah. And then when I heard that quote that changed my life, you know, don't let what you're good at, to find who you are you if you can't do what you're good at that's what i had to understand like who am i if i can never cut again because like yo these these are just tools bro these could break right i could lose these hands tomorrow and if my whole life and the only thing i felt like i had to offer was a cut then i sold myself short i'm finding out what guy had me here for so when i started

speaking and seeing they're like yo maybe i might be better to come and it was funny because it's like a hard thing to almost explain sometimes because you know not to put us out but like I think somebody asked if I could do a cut while I was here. And I was like, you know, I mean, I would love to cut. But like, that's, if I come to your podcast and I just come in the, in the vision of a barber and I cut right now, then I'm working backwards on myself because I told myself that, like, I need to keep pushing myself in a direction where people see I have more to offer. Yeah. And I can't just like come to places to cut hair anymore. Like, that's not where I'm here to do.

Yeah, dude. I love, I love how like, it's just so interesting to me. at your age you started to be able to define these things for yourself so specifically because that's the thing like i've i've learned that i knew certain things as i was when i was younger but like me being able to like articulate those things the way that you're doing it it's so impressive because like i can do that now at 33 right be be able to say exactly how i feel and why i feel that way in relationship to it but i just think it's a beautiful thing man like and i think you're doing really good work and i and i hope more kids listen to this kind of shit

i hope more kids follow you and like engage with your shit because you have real heart behind the things you're saying like everything you're saying you realize at a point you're like okay this is where i'm at this is where you were at you realize where you wanted to go you got there and then you you realized okay i want to be more than that because you're so right and saying that you're more than just that thing that you do right to have like real effect which it sounds like you want to have in people's lives but you probably you probably went you probably went through the same thing bro like yo what if like can people just book you to come train them anymore you know like yeah like you know you got to grow and you got to reinvent yourself and you got to adapt it's not even just

train but just like the idea of me me like i'm fitness guy who lift all these chicks jumped out the pool did all this cool shit i'm not going to be that guy forever you know what i'm saying like i'm not going to be that guy and also i don't think i'd be happy if i just kept doing the same things forever like any human being wouldn't be happy if they just did the same things forever and ever and ever because i think i think like people who i don't know man like some people really enjoy this lifestyle that nine to five forever but some people i feel like in people's hearts like I don't think we're meant to just do the same thing forever and then fucking die. So, like, I tell you, for me, my perspective on this is like, I knew at some point

that I was going to have to evolve out of being like the strong guy, the best, the best physically look, all this shit that I was like trying to be as I was coming up because I was like, I'm in the fitness industry. I got to look good. I got to be strong. I got to do all this shit. I got to capture this attention. Capture these people's views, et cetera, all the shit.

As I started to grow and get closer to like growing on social and being like, now this is important. Then I get to a point where I'm like, what's really fucking important. And that's what I find interesting about you at your age. You're already kind of there when you're realizing what's actually really important. And I guess my question to that is like, do you think it's because of influences that you've maybe just, even just in general,

like on social media like there's been, because now there's so many more representations of like what also people are capable of. Like for example, back when I started this fitness shit, the only thing probably like there was no social media. So there was no one I was looking at like, oh, they're doing social media and they're making money.

They have this like ability. It was just like, motherfuckers were in magazines like taking crazy shots and they're like a bunch of just dudes just on steroids and promoting like fucking muscle tech for like 500% increase in strength which is bullshit claims and it's like that's what was existing when I was growing up now it's like you see everything you see all these possibilities so like when you were on your way up did you I'm wondering if you had more like outward vision we're like whoa this this could be cool and not that you're like I'm going to copy that or do that but did you have anyone specifically or any creators anyone that you were like look you're like look you're like look towards you like, man, I like what that person's doing. Or was it just like, you were just like, just from your life and you were a barber and you're like, okay, I want to do these things. Yeah, I mean, like, bro, I think I would be honestly just lying if I told you like, no, I just thought of everything.

Bro, I'm inspired by people. I watch. I invest in, I indulge into the content and the platform and the community that I'm in. And like, where I take inspiration from absolutely everybody. Yeah. And the first one to inspire me to do like public shit was the guy Alex Stemp, the photographer who were like, can I give you a. a photo shoot because I'm like oh damn like this dude is giving free photo shoots out I was like

shit that's a that's a cool concept yeah you know yeah 20 plus like great guy but I got to meet up with him a collab and I got to express to him like hey man like you led into me finding what I'm doing right now yeah so like I found I saw that but then like I know I felt a lot of guilt in myself I guess on like why I was going to do it the way that I did because I could have done it differently I could have done just like let me give you a free cut and let me just make you look good and And the whole video can be based around, like, just making, giving somebody like this fire-ass haircut. And I was like, nah, because I feel like I'm discovering purpose. And it's like so different from passion.

Passion is the thing that you wake up and you fit, you actually do. It's the craft. It's the barber. It's the lift. That's passion. I feel passion about doing this activity. And then like the purpose is why you're doing it. And I found like that my purpose may be just to be able to help people see themselves in different light.

And I started doing that during the pandemic. because that's my turning point and how I found my path now was like, I got into the pandemic and I couldn't cut hair anymore. That's just changed a lot of people's lives. I couldn't cut hair anymore. You couldn't see another person.

You couldn't have physical touch. There ain't nobody know what that COVID shit was going to do to you. And to a lot of people, bro, it was detrimental. It was like a lot of people lost their lives. It was a tough time for a lot. So, bro, I was like, what if I never get back to cutting? You know, so I started speaking during that time

and really pushing it forward on it, you know, and I tried to do it before. I didn't wear. I told you. I was copy people just videos weren't here and she was corny. Like, all right, so I'm coming back again. Now, let me talk to experience. I'm speaking about my life in the pandemic. I'm talking about how I feel. I'm sharing. And the people are like, man, thank you for this. Like, I need this. But like, bro, I needed it. Like, I needed it for myself. And that's why I felt that I would like express this in the video. Because I really, it helped me feel better about myself. And when I started doing that, it started, I could see it's working. Like, I can see people are

accepting me, man. And they're embracing me. I'm like, yo, this feels good, but I also feel really guilty because I'm not using the gift that I felt like God gave me as a barber. And I was like, how do I do both of these things? Do both of these things even exist together? Because sometimes they don't. Sometimes the mesh doesn't exist together. Sometimes like the lifting may like totally be not correlated, something you feel like you want to do later. So like right now they kind of merge, but like, man, one day they might not merge.

But like, how do I merge them right now and how do I use that gift and how do I fulfill this purpose? Because it just comes down to the conversation. so that's why I chose like I'll cut a stranger and I'll create my own stage for me to talk and I'll show the conversation because the most important thing that a barber could do is not cut your hair but they just allow you

to have an experience and express yourself and feel the way in the chair like that's the gift bro that's the real gift fuck the haircut like it's the gift it reminds me of being a trainer because I was a trainer my whole life it's the same concept when you're like you're the most important thing a trainer could do for a person is like hold them accounting

And like the way you hold most people accountable is to create an actual connection with that person in which the person feels like I want to come back to experiences. I want to come back to meet with you to talk to you to like because at the same time like it's hard it's harder to stick around for something that's a physical goal, physical change that like you know is going to be difficult. But if you have someone who's feeling like they're there with you along the way like you develop a real relationship with that person, you want to show up not just for yourself, but also for that person. I also want to say like it now reminds me like my first experience. experiences in communication and like learning about people and understanding people outside of myself was when I was doing training when I was a trainer because I would have so much conversation about people their lives where they're at why they wanted to change like what they what held them back I love that because it's a you it's a universal language just like barber yeah you know like training like physical like that's universal language you don't even got to speak the same language as the people that are training or like even know the same backgrounds which like we both share this comment of like well I love fitness and it's like oh I love to get my hair cut so like

yeah bro people would sit in my chair and I even speak English and it's like we're going to vibe out we're going to share this together because we got this universal language of like things that we love across the world that's so awesome and the reason why people wanted to do it is it's oh you realize like when when I was a trainer and I realized when I was like okay now I'm learning how to sell training I realize the most important thing if we're talking about selling training getting someone to be a part of what you're doing so that they take you on as a trainer is to to understand why that person really wanted to make a change in their life. And that's a very deep thing because it's not, it's not like, oh, I just want to lose 10 pounds

so I fucking look better. Like there's a deeper reason always when it comes down to these things. Like someone's like, you know, I want to lose 10 pounds because like I want to feel good about myself, you know, in relationship to my, my boyfriend or my girlfriend or whatever it is like because I don't feel good about myself. It's always a much deeper thing. And I've always learned that about it. And it's making me like nervous thinking about it because I'm thinking about where I was

that, you know, when that, when that, when that, when that epiphany happened to me, and like, yeah, it's, like, really deep when you come to that realization because, I mean, like, I unfortunately almost had to lose my life and I don't think I'm ready as a person yet to share details, but in Atlanta, I almost lose my life in a very unfortunate situation. And it gave me this sense of, it was the first time I ever admitted this ever, but it gave me such a sense of urgency for life that, you know, you realize, like, this shit didn't guarantee, but it could be gone any moment. And, you know, I never had, like, any real big deaths of my family yet, you know, I thank God.

But, like, I haven't gone through, like, yo, you know, somebody immediate to me is, like, not here anymore. Friends, you know, around the city, things are like, common, bro, common. You got to just, like, get over that real fast. But then, like, so I had to really understand, like, how precious this time is, man. And when I went through this situation in Atlanta, yeah, bro, I kind of looked at myself and I was like, you know, I'm not really. doing enough because of that day was the last day I didn't do enough for my people and that was honest me being honest and saying that like the cutting the celebs shit the fucking being trying to chase being the best that being a bar like that's not enough and what I'm doing right now is not

going to have I'm not going to have any legacy there will be somebody way better than me at cutting they'll be younger to me they'll be sharper to me they'll be faster to me it'll be more willing to get up more to me like that'll happen but like if my time is now and if god gave me this moment to be heard to be seen what i do with it right now is extremely delicate and would decide if like i'm remembered and not on this earth and i like bro i just like i've always dreamed of like being a statue one day like it sounds so stupid to say but like i want to be a statue bro i want to be able to say that i helped my community in the way that was significant and you know that time in Atlanta for me was, you know, just insane because, um, you know, I had to, I had to

fucking get, get over that. I had to tell myself like, all right, whatever you do right now, like, you know, you got, I don't even know what I'm saying. Was it, was it, was something that something was going to happen to you? Now, it happened to me and I just like, I'm made, I'm alive, you know, I'm here, but, um, you know, I would, you know, off Kim, we'll talk. Okay. Um, but, yeah, like, I'm here, bro. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here and I'm healthy So like I mean what you said man

I think it's interesting The idea just of purpose in general And like wanting to leave more I know that that's the reason why I struggle with the My idea just my relationship to death in general Is like I I in fucking relationship to a lot of other aspects of my life Like relationships friendships

Business shit Like sometimes you feel like you're not enough Right the idea I was talking to the guys about it We did a pod the other week I had just done ayahuasca I don't know if you know ayahuasca is but it's probably one of the most intense psychedelics you can take. Oh, shit.

Have you ever taken mushrooms or anything like that? No, nothing like that. You know, obviously smoked weed before in my life. But like I've lived, I live a dry lifestyle for the most of my life. You know, I don't smoke, drink. I didn't do it. And I didn't really get into that only because, like, you know, you see people that you grew up with spend their last dollar on it. And it made me just be like, fuck, man, my friends could be so much further if they just didn't have this, this vice.

to them yeah and I remember like paying my car off in high school I bought my first car in high school flipping shoes and I paid it off before I graduated first ten thousand dollars I ever saved up to the T like first 10K I spend it I had 10K you know left on my car after my down payment I was like my parents like yo pay it all off trust me I was like all right so my account went back to zero but I had a full car and I remember sending that shit to the to my group chat at the time with like friends I had in high school and I was like hey boys like I just paid my car I was paid in full, and we're in high school. And they said, and they were like, yeah, you know, bro, shut the fuck up.

Like, send this to the group check because you think you're better than us. I was like, man, what? And I told him, I said, yo, I did this because I don't smoke and I don't drink. Y'all smoke and drink every fucking weekend. Every time we get paid, y'all go to the same person's house, and y'all smoking it up, chiefering it up, buying the weed, buying the liquor. And then guess what, bro, that's a temporary feeling, right? And then the next day, what's you got to show for your money? I said, I got some to show for my money, man.

And it's not like, because it's something deep, you know, it's not just that, right? Because there's people that smoke and drinking, they live great lives. And it's like, I have nothing, no bad opinion about anybody who use as long as like, you're obviously just taking care of your body, not fucking trying to, you know, do crazy shit, whatever. So I don't want to get into that. But, like, I just saw people lose everything for that shit. And it made me really, like, not want to ever do it.

Yeah. Ever, you know, and I've seen, like, people lose their life for it that I got talked about earlier. And, like, it made me just be like, that's just not what I wanted in my life. And, you know, at first I had, like, a stronger opinion. Like, if you do it, you're this and dad. But, like, no, bro, like, I met great people that smoke weed. I make great people that do psychedelics. And it's like, I just don't think that I'm out of place.

I'm at a place in my life where, like, I'm ready for that lifestyle. And, you know, I don't know if I ever will be, but, like, I have no bad feelings about that shit. Thankfully, these psychedelics are definitely not, like, I wouldn't put him in the same category. But I'm scared of that. I'm just too scared of that shit, dog. Like, honestly, I'm just like, what if I, I don't know, all types of shit. Yeah, that's what I, but honestly, like, I'm not going to sit here and recommend it to you, but like, dude, I think you would fucking, it would set you on a different fucking level, bro.

But anyways. So, long story short, I did it in, I did this ayahuasca journey. The reason why I'm talking about this is like, I had this general relationship to fear of death and dying and not doing enough, right? but in this in this whole experience right because the idea we're talking about legacy and wanting this to be more than just like I'm cutting hair or doing a thing like wanting to leave something behind so that there's something to be remembered of you that also is not just remember but also benefiting other people right so I was on this I took this this medicine and I'm on this journey and I'm realizing like my focus and fixation and fear and anxiety around the idea

of death doesn't allow me to truly live right just the idea of being afraid of death and focusing on that like that aspect and not because you got to think if i'm focused on death that i'm not focused on all the other good things and then we talk about this on a greater scale the same thing in all of our lives like if we're focused on that person having something we don't have then we're not focused on the thing we actually want to have we're focused on the idea that's not present you're not present so yeah all that's what this shit does so i'm not saying i'm saying go take this shit but like it makes you have to be immediately present with the things that you know you need to deal with or go through right that's what that specific medicine is doing

alcohol weed all that stuff's a little bit different right the way the way psychedelics act is definitely different in the mind and in the body than then those things but the point is i was just trying to make is that i just think it's so important i just wish more people not did medicine or did drugs or anything i just wish more people were being were willing to be more present with themselves in in relationship to the things that they know they really want not all the extra shit that other people have that they don't have and and just in general man i think that's that's the thing that i like most about your stuff and when I watch your stuff I was like I like that this guy is talking to people in a way that's genuine raw that's real and it's encouraging people to like to essentially be more

present to to be more like in tune with themselves and that's the most beautiful thing in all this and that's why I wanted you to come on the podcast was like I just wish there was more people doing that shit man and I and I highly value the work that you do and I think it's fucking incredible and I just want to tell you that genuinely I think I think more people should tell you that I think you should keep doing it and I think you'll have tons of success in the way in which you carry yourself the way in which you conversate and I think the world needs more of that shit man that's why I want to do it present was first thank you man like thank you bro I like it means a lot yeah that's it really does mean a lot but like present was

my last tattoo I got on my leg I got a little the word that says present because you know I had to when you're like a you know fucking like hyper-focused like trying to be a successful type of person you lose sight of what's present because like I wake up every day and it's like sometimes this is hard for me to like pay attention to like anything like it's hard for me to pay attention to like what I'm doing or like who I'm talking to because I have like a million things on my mind that I'm trying to process at the same time and think about and handle and like I'm not here and I fucking heard a lot of people doing that dog I heard a lot of people in my life that I wish I could go back and be present for it in the time that I

have with them. Does he not sound like me? It's so funny. Nah, but that's just real. That's just real, bro. Because listen, bro, like, you fucking, you, like, whatever's on your mind, the next deal, the next whoever guess, like, yeah, could be on your mind, and you could be processing that shit. It's like, my girl is in the crib with me, bro, and loves me to death and would do anything for me. And, like, I can't even, like, I don't even look at her when she's speaking to me because I'm in my phone. It's like, that shit is, you know, unhealthy to me, man. And, like, my mom would call me, and I would, like,

act like I ain't had no time to talk to my mom sometimes. My mom calls me every day, by the way. Absolutely every day. Every single day, and I answer every time she calls. But I found myself before, and it sucks because I don't want to talk like I'm hurting my mom, but I found myself before that I would answer my mom's calls, knowing that this is just my mom's daily call. And it would be like, hey, how are you doing, son? Are you okay?

First thing she asked, okay, I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. Of course, I'm okay. Like, I'm telling you, Ma, you would know. Like, I would let you know if I wasn't okay, I promise. And she's like, all right, well, I'm just checking on you. I was like, how's work? She says, work is work. Like, all right, well, like, I love you.

Love you too. And they're like, that's it. But, like, you know, why do I act like I ain't got 10 minutes? That's all she want, 10 minutes. Yeah. That's all my mom wants is 10 minutes to talk to her son. Why do I act like I can't give it 10 minutes? Like, why do I act like it hurts me or it's like hard for me to do that?

It's not hard. It's like I can sit there and give my mom 30. I give her an hour. It's not going to change anything I'm fucking doing that I feel like is important in this moment. It's like, why am I not just, like, they're present with the people that I say I love. Like, I say, everybody in this room right now, I can say I love my mom. Like, do our actions follow with the words that we say? And I made sure that I stood on everything that I say that I, you know, that I'm telling you.

I tell you, I'm going to do something. I'm going to do it. And I think, like, when I make a commitment to say, like, yo, you're my brother or I use words like family or I tell somebody I love them. Like, I have to follow through with that. And I give them my people, like, more. time was like really important to me and like turning my phone off just like giving her that time it's important so like that was you know I've learned that in the last like couple years and being present is extremely important because nothing nothing exists other than now

the future don't exist the past don't exist nothing matters other than right now I can't fucking control anything else that previously happened or what would happen I can control right now and like I want to live in this moment and that's why I was really excited to come talk to you man yeah you crushed it bro man thank you proud of you you're it's amazing man genuinely speaking I'm I love it maybe you don't need ayahuasca

maybe you already got it bro no for real shit like you're you're it's it's it's you're very eloquent man it's profound and I'm just glad there's more people like you do it and thank you bro I mean likewise I'm proud of you as well like honestly I'm having fun yeah me too yeah this is fun bro thank you for having me here

let's at the end of every episode we do audience questions I don't think we've doing this lately because we just did the pod with them they didn't do it because Natalie wasn't here all right yeah so before we get into it Uh, yeah, just one, like some last words. I just want to say, I think it's cool to, um, it's just cool to meet influencers or creators, people who like do this or in this space who, like, I seen you on internet and then I meet you in person and then I hear you speak.

I hear you talk and you're the, you're the same person. And that isn't always the case. Like I've talked to so many people. I've met so many people. And like, it is actually more rare than you think that you meet people and you're like, oh, that's, that's like in line. Is it, is it, no, I guess, I mean, is it bad? that I say you were better in person.

Oh, I don't know, not that I got a bad present but I just didn't know what to expect. I'm like, this dude's fucking swollen as hell. He's with all these girls and guys that are like

doing crazy ass shit and the knelt. I'm like, you know, shout of the knelt guy. I'm like my boys, man, but like I didn't know. Like I said, I wanted a genuine

in Iraq. I wanted to be here and just like get my own experience. Yeah. I do that with everybody, man. I just want my own experience with people and I could go read

probably a bunch of fucking Bradley fucking hate on whatever and same with myself but of course i just wanted to come here and just like feel it for myself and just say like you know for my experience like you know this is and like you know you really like made me feel comfortable coming into your home bro and your whole team and you know like thank you for this experience of course yeah well i think for me it's like i'm trying to be better at just in general like um you see my content overall and like not unless you watch this podcast you probably wouldn't know like maybe this exact side of me um because for so many years I was just like the I was the guy who like but also like you know like bro I'm not a

fucking bot like I'm not like people oh god you know I see so many kind like he just speaks in quotes I was like I get yeah bro I speak well but like I'm just like everybody you think I don't talk shit with the homies and like talk about shit it doesn't even matter and dumb shit and like I do all that man like I guess on my clap from my shoes too but like I could be fine I guess I think I could be funny too but like I do all that shit too so like I just don't want people to think I'm like just fucking oh my god you know yeah so these comments people call you a bot not like a that's what i call my that's what it feels like like like when i see a you know a comment like this guy only speaks in quotes like damn he always trying to say some deep

ass shit like maybe sometimes i do like sometimes i just like try to get too deep sometimes but like i just how i take shit some you know but yeah now sometimes i just feel that maybe people think like i ain't know like mpc i don't want to think i'm like no mpc or some shit man like I don't think you're an FBC, like, nah, bro, I'm so regular, it's just like everybody else, but I can, you know, when you see on social media, you just see, like, this one, like, all motivate, motivation, motivation, like, you know, I get it, but like, you know. There's always more than what's put out there for some, too. I'm just like everybody else, man, chilling. So let's get into this. We got, what, you got three questions ready?

Yes, I do. Okay, go for it. All right, so the first question is, so I got out of an eight-year relationship four years ago. My ex ghosted me out of nowhere and broke up with me. Four years, after four years. four years ago four years ago out of an eight year relationship yes so out of eight years she ghosted you out of nowhere yeah and broke up and broke up with me my the relationship was toxic and i lost a lot of friends um from it due to her trust issues and her messaging them from my account

pretending to be me now i have a hard time giving women my time as i wasted eight years of my life 18 to 26 now I've been career focused for the past four years and have no idea where to start with women as I don't want to waste my time but I'm tired of being single what do you suggest okay first and foremost you didn't waste your time yeah I about it's the same shit man I said like I wish I could talk to this person like you said waste for eight years like it's unfortunate you did eight years into that shit but like saying it's a waste it's crazy like if you learned you didn't lose yeah you spent eight years it's unfortunate sometimes like y'all I say time is the currency that we pay for lessons

like time is sometimes what it takes you can't pay for a lesson other than giving it time and if it took eight years for you to get that lesson of like what you need now in your life it'll make you appreciate your next relationship like tenfold so so it's exactly based on what you just said to as well I would say the same thing and if we're talking about like learning that lesson if we're talking about now going into a new relationship with some different girl right and you find yourself having you know a harder time like being able to open yourself up I would spend some time think about those eight years

think about what you really learn about yourself about your ability to be you know in a relationship in general what you really want what you don't want and then next time you move into like a potential situation let's say to have a relationship with another woman

you'd have this like better qualifying like what is right for you how you know you could show up in someone's life properly you also got to learn yourself you got to learn what do I even like what do I deserve what makes me feel love what makes me feel it is like you got to go

through like the trial in era of figuring that shit out and then when you get when you get this like great you know clarity on yourself or it's easy just like right this attracted you know just attract this i'm looking for it yeah but i also think it's important for this person to take time if he hasn't taken time it sounds like he hasn't to go through those eight years and really think about what he actually learned from it because there's a difference between going through something to being like oh i this fucked me up and like you know i waste you got to be a conscious learner at the same right because where he's at right now sounds like i wasted my time because That's how he wrote the letter, right?

He wrote the email. But at the same time, like, have you taken the time to, like, look at all the moments in your life during those eight years and the things, like, what did you learn from it? So then now you can go move forward and you didn't waste any of that time. It actually made you better suited for the next time that it's supposed to work out or it may work out. So I think it's just a matter of, like, learning that first, then putting yourself in the right situations, obviously, like,

trying to find or move closer towards the things that, you know, let's say you think you would actually want or enjoy out of a woman, like put yourself in a situation where you think you could find them maybe even some sort of like hobby or things that they're interested in but don't just shut it down and be like I'm afraid to do this I think it's important to just learn yourself and then you got to kind of let the rest of that aspect that it didn't work out go and just move forward sure and I you know like finding it too is like a big thing like you said find it in places that you like like like to go things you're interested in yeah a lot of people go to the

club and they look for love but you ain't finding nothing you ain't finding shit in the club that's about to be real for you bro like everybody's there for the same thing like you're not going to find real love like people do i can't go say that people do find real love in the club i don't know if they do to be honest i'm being some people have met like i just yeah no no i talk to my my my home girl susan on my team and my uh my financial team yesterday she her she met her husband uh in college i get at a club but like you're occasionally yeah but i mean just being like from practice like you know man what do you want like what type of what type of person do you try to like find like you know who are you looking for and you just got to be

places that you feel like are similar to how you want to what kind of person you are in yeah you know so but in then if you try to force somebody like to be in that position sometimes you just force the wrong piece there's like a puzzle bro you got to sit back and just like take your time mandolizing each piece does this one fit does this one fit and you bro you'll eventually at this whole puzzle piece you'll find the next piece of going your puzzle you'll slap it in it'll fit perfect and you're like yes like that's what i needed yeah you can't just like he smash the shit you know in the position you got to take your time don't force it that's for sure But take the time to learn from those eight years.

That's definitely right. For sure. So do the next one. As a kid, I lost my mother the day before my birthday, and I saw how awful my father treated my mother. Growing up, I decided I wanted to treat women better than I have ever seen before. I tried talking to beautiful women and play the whole nice guy, and they take advantage and try to break cards.

I find myself lately becoming more of the bad guy who just gets a bunch of hos and never cares about anyone but himself. But it's not who I am, and it's empty. I'm 23 years old and want advice from raw talk as weird is that might sound I want advice on whether or not I should just keep getting mad amount of hos and remain and remain feeling empty or be a typical light skin who's constantly treating women with respect who got his heartbroken and then he put a little dog emoji I like this dude I like this dude

yo it's funny it's funny but I mean bro 23 man like listen I guess I just want to say this this at 23 years old yes I'm not saying it's not important love your love life and like finding the right ones and making things but like also try not to take it all that serious like just in general in life try not to take everything so serious I'm not saying that it's not serious I'm not saying it doesn't matter to your heart I'm not saying that like you know you shouldn't want a relationship or you should be comfortable just being a fucking dog like this joke that we're making but like maybe try to take a step back and be like okay what do you genuinely want like do you want to fuck off are you even ready for that like right but that's a big switch like being from

like you know dog to committed like yeah you ready are you ready for that yourself you gotta know it's in your heart yeah that's it i think it's just like i can't give you that like hey this is what you should or shouldn't do but i will say like take some time and really think about it like what what's really making you happy when you have how does it make you feel like when you dog when you dog in a shorty like how does that make you feel you feel like you're getting revenge like that's not revenge bro like what do you feel like you're doing when you do it And if it makes you feel bad, you know, you can make a change to that. Yeah, and we're not saying, we're not saying, like, obviously, when you're having sex,

you probably feel good, right? We know that. It's not what I'm saying. Post nut clarity. Yeah, I'm saying after. What's that post nut clarity like? Like, what you think right after you? Are you like, okay, no, I felt good about what I just did.

And then I'm dogging her and I'm ghosting her. I'm on to the next one. Like, do you actually feel good? I don't know. You got to ask yourself. I will say, this too, though, there's a important lesson for my boy here, man. Like, don't become the thing you hate. Yeah.

Don't become the thing you hate. Someone dogs you, you dog the next person. You just became the things you hate. If you keep doing that, you just like, you don't, you just can't, man. You can't become the thing you hate. So if someone hurts you, you go hurt somebody else. It's not the solution. Yeah, this is the quote here, an eye for and I make the whole world line.

There's a quote there. That's a real thing. I'm stealing that. You'll see that in the fucking video next week. Oh, yeah, man, you know, an eye for an eye will blind the world. quote me yeah but yeah bro I'm voting for like

pause the dog in a little bit maybe think about it and if you feel like yo I want to be a dog then fucking woof-woof or or just do this just be just fucking set clear expectations with the girls that you're having these interactions with like nothing wrong

with casual dating and want to go have a lot of sex like but just set the expectation for the girls who have this interaction with to say like hey I mean I'm just going to let you know like this is all I can offer or emotionally this is where I'm at with my life and I'm just casually you know I'm just dating right now and if like that's not for you cool you know but I will be lying if I said like yo I mean if you lie to you know lying it was shorty and just saying it's like I think you got to take every

part of your life with like delicacy because or like be delicate with it because you know it's all a big picture I can't expect to keep getting blessed in this area of my life and I'm training people like shit in this area of my life and this thing works in the circle If I'm dogging my shorty at home off camera and nobody knows, I'm just cheating on her left and right. Like, what makes me think, like, God, if I'm going to give me all the other shit that I want in my life? Like, I got to take care of every aspect. So, I mean, how does it make you feel? Like, how does it make you feel?

Don't become the thing you had. All these things. Like, you know, take that step back, bro, and, you know, just set clear expectations. You could have a lot of sex and be a dog, but just let them know, hey, I'm a dog. Like, this is it. Like, you know, and that's cool. But. Okay, so this person says, hey, Brad and Guess, I don't know how to keep this short.

So you guys, they said I could summarize it. But basically he said, my father is heavily on drugs and alcohol, and he tries to sober up and talks to his children and promises us he's going to change. And he's done a lot of bad things. I can't say fully, but it's to the point where I think it would be easier if he was dead rather than keep hurting myself. My little sister and other siblings. Do you think we should keep letting him manipulate us and keep him around because he's our father or cut him out completely? He's done some really messed up stuff that hurts a lot. Sorry if I'm typing this out horribly.

It's just really hard to put into words. And thank you so much. You've literally helped me out through a lot on your podcast. Okay, so straight up, I'll say this. I had a conversation with someone like a couple weeks ago about the similar thing in relationship to a similar thing, exactly, his father. And he was asking me much like this, like just because someone is like a brother or a sister or a father or a mother, it doesn't matter, right?

you do sometimes have to distance yourself from people because you can't make a person the way you want them to be and this goes for everything relationships friendships everything like you do have to be willing to love someone but at the same time if you're trying to change someone and your unwillingness to truly love yourself is showing in that you're like saying okay I'm going to try to like make this person to be the way that I want them to be or like to treat me the way I want them to treat me you just can't do that like you need to love yourself enough to be able to take a step back to say okay this is very not this is not good for me this is toxic for me this doesn't make me feel good 10 times out of 10 I feel bad in a situation if you could say that you got to take a step back no matter who it is because

you cannot control another human being it doesn't matter if they're blood it doesn't matter if they're best friend whatever like you have to be able to say okay not take a step back and say fuck you you're a piece of shit all this take a step back and say yo I just need to take some time for myself because this isn't healthy for me right and that's hard sometimes especially in situations like this when it comes to like a father or like a brother or something, especially blood-related. But it is in your best interest to sometimes separate yourself from those situations so you can gain better perspective.

And at the same time, giving that other person, that other side, a different perspective of which, because maybe they're used to the toxic nature of the back and forth, the back and forth. Maybe that's a part of this whole thing. And until you separate yourself from it, you cannot allow them to have a different perspective of the situation or of you and their relationship to you and vice versa. So taking a step back is actually really important sometimes. I mean, it's like, it's a very touchy subject because, you know, for anybody, bro, somebody that close to you to hurt you is like, it hurts a lot.

It cuts really deep when it comes to somebody like that. But, you know, it's kind of what I said earlier. Don't become the things you hate because people are hurting you. And like, even if you love this person and it's hurting you to love them, you can still love them, but you might have to love them from a distance. And you might have to love them differently. because I, you know, I've had, you know, not my father, you know, not a father situation. You know, I almost don't even know if I was equipped to speak on this, but like, I've had close people in my life friends that are like extremely hurt me, man. It's like, I forgive you and I'm always going to love you.

I just got to love you from this distance. You can't be as close and have as much access as you had before because you're changing, you're altering my, my thoughts every day when you're this close to me. And like, man, I just, I have to separate this distance because I need that clarity from my life. But I just need to be able to say, like, you know, it can't affect me that way. And if, like, you disses yourself, still love your pops, man. Like, you know, it's hard to say when they, they've hurt you so bad, but, like, the word hate is strong. And I don't know, because I feel like, you know, if your dad is alive and your dad is there still or your family, your mom is there still. And, like, you guys have had a fucked up situation before.

If both people are still there and both people want the same thing to love each other, then y'all can do it. y'all can do it y'all can work through it it may take a while it may take therapy it may take it may take help but like there's a chance if y'all are both here on this earth to get to the place that y'all both really love each other and like maybe like as parents sometimes it's like weird being you know obviously i got siblings and a dad you know family but like you know you got to really learn your parents you never really learn your parents sometimes as a child because you're just their child like you know i had i realized because i don't even know my parents' favorite color. I don't know like my dad's favorite meal growing up I don't know what my mom went through and I have known I really don't know my parents as people I only know them from the title of like being my parent so like I'm trying to judge them based off of like their role that they've played as my parent

yeah and not the role that they had to play when they were growing up that really formulated them to be this person yeah so I had to like just understand where do my parents come from so like when my dad would tell like I remember my dad specifically telling me like you will not make enough money to live as a barber you won't have a family you won't like hurtful things to me and I'm like damn man you really hurting the shit out of me right now um I'm hearing him talk to my mom like the other

room like yelling at her like man you need to go talk to your son he thinks he's gonna fucking make it like this barber shit is like nah it ain't that like they don't want to see me chasing and fulfill my dream they want to make sure as parents that they don't leave earth leave me with like nothing in my hands that would like give me some sort of success they want to know that they like set me up to like have something and it comes off as like really hard unconditional love and you kind of take it as like man fuck fuck my parents fuck everybody that doesn't believe me and want to see me do my thing but like I just had to understand like they're a parent it's unconditional love it hurts I got to just prove it to him and I got to take a step

back and we'll have this conversation later like I got a mentor and then you do that always tells me like yo one day you're going to look at your dad you're not you're not going to look at him like your dad you're going to look at your dad and he's going to be your friend one day And you'll be like, wow, like I'm talking to him about things that I never talked to him about. And the conversation and it is different. So you got to grow that. And sometimes I think if it sticks at the perspective of I'm a child and you're my dad, you know, even when you get older, then like sometimes that growth and acceptance for like who they are as people because they need help too. Your parents ain't perfect, man.

Nobody's perfect. So accepting their flaws too and just taking your time. Like those are important things that I had to do. I mean, obviously it's not close to this extent of like the. pain this person probably went through i'm not trying to compare pain but like i had to take step back and say like i could have easily been like oh fuck my dad and had this grudge against him for this one thing he said to me but like man i just continued to have the convo over and over and over again so we started like formulating different opinions and saying different things and it's like all right

i get you son like you're not going to your mind's not going to change i'm going to accept you for it if you're happy do it that's what all it came down to my dad just wanted to see me make a decision and stick to it. So, like, that's, I mean, just how I feel. I don't know if that's, like, a director kind of rambles some, but. Nah, it's dope. I mean, it is, it's, it's accurate. Like, if I'm talking about, like, if I think about my life and I'm talking about my

father, I had a relationship to him and what he did and how he left me as a child. And then as I got older, closer to in my 30s. And I'm like, oh, not that it makes sense what he did and why he did it, but my understanding of, like, his whole, you, like you were talking earlier, his whole life was completely unique to mine. And I can't base what I've gone through. through to say that that person should have acted or treated or done this a certain way or shouldn't have done the thing that he did because of what I know. And I got old enough to start to realize

and get enough perspective where I'm looking back and being like, oh, fuck, like I'm not validating what he did was right. But obviously he got to his point in his life for a completely unique set of reasons. And it's easier to like, you know, like you said, if you were just like, you said this thing about me like whatever, then it is to like try to understand where it's hurt people hurt other people right you you're the you know you have a dog that dog loves you want conditionally pet cuddle kisses low nine and you know let your dog go out and get hit by a car and then go try to pet it while it's in the street hurt what is that dog that dog's going to bite you if you try to touch it while it's hurt because it's defending itself from the world and anybody that comes

in that's trying to they think they're coming to you know force more pain onto them they think like that dog thinks that you're coming after i just got hit by a car you're coming to end me yeah get like you're gonna bite you so you see this happening people where like somebody really hurt you man and like i you know because people will have like these harsh responses to some things that you doing but i just don't take it like to the heart every time you know because as long as you come with your heart first whatever somebody's reaction is you can't control it yeah it has nothing to do with you. If I come up to you genuinely and say, though, my name is Vic, I want to just bless you with a haircut. I mean that. And if you say, like, man, get the fuck out my face,

man, I got some, you know, whatever and this dad. I'm not mad because I know, like, all right, maybe he's going to do some shit. I can't even imagine or fathom right now. And I'm taking this one response or, like, interaction of this person. I'm trying to judge their whole life. And then people are naturally prejudiced. That's like a natural human, like, you know, quality that we have is we try to figure people out. we really know them we just try to like naturally think about like ah you know kind of kind of person is this before i walk up to him it's a natural thing man but like you know i try not to do that and you know even earlier today like today is a really weird incident because um hiring a new assistant

we're supposed to meet in the morning he he doesn't his phone stops working he's i'll be there at 10 30 a m replying to me crazy all week you know on point with it on point with it i'll meet you 1030 first time meeting them doesn't respond phone not delivering doesn't show up and i'm like i i could have you know me maybe a couple years ago would have been like you're fucking fired how dare you like fuck up the first time meeting somebody in the first depression for a new job like i'm like man i hope he's okay you know like i just hope he's okay you know i'll figure it out once we get in contact again if we get i hope we get you know kind of always all i came down to like tell myself and then bro was just honestly literally lost his phone last night like it's a literal

thing that happened and was super apologetic to it and like attended to it and like you know I'm not going to judge from that experience like I'm going to wait and see and let this person show me who they are and I just that you know because if he did that like four more times if he did it four more times like now you got to be like all right dog this is a you know this is a cycle this repeats man so but he's not sure he's going to agree I'm going to meet him later this week for the first time he's a great guy from what I from our phone calls and stuff but it's that first impression and they're just like basing them off that and then like taking it that way when people say things to you that or do things to you that you feel like hurts you that maybe wasn't their

intent man but they're coming from other places and you don't know that yeah and it's all on our own time too as far learning and understanding like what's happening why it's happening to us because it's easy for us to make like an assessment without fully understanding everything but it's it's never that simple but you like you know for a lesson a lesson can't be learned so you go through it I could tell you up and down bro all the right things to do all the mistakes look out for all the lessons you're going to go through and like you can hear those things and process them and say yo you know bradley told me to watch out for this type of person i know and i'm never going to make the same because he told me but that's false you're not going to

know till you go through it so you absolutely go through it yeah you're not going to really get that lesson like you think you're going to get that lesson i know and i understand it logically but like till i go through it now i feel it on a different level and i had to go through that within my life and business is like obviously i got i'm a young guy so i got older guys around me that really want to like help me get through things in my life and not go through the shit that they went through and it's like you could keep trying to do that for me but at the end of the day i have to learn it from my own experience i got to go through it to really like to a degree for sure like you know for sure but you got you got to go through it's for your own you know your own opinion on

that yeah for sure damn well that was it man yeah it was a great three questions yeah you crushed it. Nah, you crushed it. This is dope, man. It was fun. Very good to meet you, man. Blessing. I'm grateful.

Make sure you guys subscribe to the channel, YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, all that good shit. Go show love to Vic. I know you're big fucking TikTok. Are you doing consistent YouTube stuff now? We're on it. That's why he's here. That's why we, you know, I'm fucking making, you know, I'm standing on what I said I

was going to do and I'm making the decision necessary. So like, we're doing it right now, you know, so I'm working on it. Good, man. I'm proud of you. I think what you're doing is incredible. I just want that. Likewise, bro. Likewise, for sure.

Cool, man. That's awesome. We're out of here.