RAWTALK - WADE PLEM ON LOGAN PAUL VS DILLON DANIS, KSI VS TOMMY FURY & THE FUTURE OF INFLUENCER BOXING

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

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dollars to match you with what you're putting in there i don't know why you'd miss out on it go do it right now i love you guys let's get back into this podcast well i wanted to bring you here because i obviously we're talking about the fighting stuff today got to got to talk a little bit about it yeah man and for some reason i feel like i was i don't know it was like i don't know it was like i don't know it was like i don't know it was like i don't know it's like some drama or some show? I've been in drama for last year, it feels like, depending on who it is,

mostly with the KSI Misfits side. I used to work with the company. Okay. Alongside Misfits through DeZone. It was one of their commentators. And, uh, so you worked for DeZone, like with,

I worked for DeZone with Misfits, right? Misfits, you know, brought me to DeZone and said, hey, we like this guy. Can we have him, you know, come and work with us? But I, I worked for DeZone. zone, paid through the zone to do the whole misfits deal and also work PFL, which is an MMA company that works here in the States and also in the UK.

That's the Jake Paul along. That's the one Jake has partnered with. And I'm pretty sure maybe it's a percentage of, yeah, Inganu. And then also I work now with most valuable prospects and MVP, most valuable promotions, which is Jake's promotional company. So you work with the enemy, their enemies. That's what I didn't start working there until I was done with misfits. Oh, so that's...

But the whole, I mean, I've been on podcast talking about, long story short, I came out with an opinion in online and offline with misfits. I had some opinions on things that I just wasn't willing to compromise on. Like what? The tag team boxing when it first started, I was worried about the safety of it just because I come from the combat sports realm and I was like, man, these guys in the influencer boxing scene are still learning to box. We really want to put two of them in a ring, you know, and switch them out.

Wait, they were going to do that? I didn't know. See, I don't know enough about this. You're telling me Misfits was going to have tag team boxing. They have it. They currently have it. And it's, and it's fantastic, by the way. Once I saw it in person, I was like, okay, they've taken the right protocol and safety measures to make sure this is done safely.

My big thing was like, you got dudes that don't understand, you know, the intricacies of boxing. God forbid, one of them gets hurt and turns his back on somebody to go and tag out. and dude says back of the head shot. Oh, because it's with influencers? Because it's with influencers. And we're still learning the sport, you know what I'm saying? And to be quite frank, what boxing commission is going to understand how to judge the tag team boxing and the safety of it?

But they did a great job with it the first time and they've done well with it since. Actually, the best one was, I've been on live stream for 28 hours. It last night? Yesterday, yeah, yesterday they did one as well. So this has been a thing they've done now. They don't do it a ton, but they bring it out as a nice kind of prop show. yeah well we'll get more into this whole jake pa yeah yeah yeah for sure but i want to figure out like how did you get started in all of the in this space so you have background in in mixed martial arts

so i started covering the sport i trained moitai for about two three four years before anything and i just started i'm i always wanted to be a broadcaster went to college play football in college uh i'm from you knew when you were how old are you now i'm 30 now so when you were when you were when you were in college you knew i wanted to be a broadcaster like six years old man i knew based on what just i loved talking about sports i was on i was up at ESPN sports center every day 6 a.m. on my couch, just watching. He's just locked in. LeBron James, 18 years old, going into the league. I'm there as a kid, you know. And I just, I fell in love with sports so early that I knew that if I couldn't be, I want, you know, I wanted to be

in the NFL. But if I couldn't do that, I wanted to commentate on the sport. Yeah. So, you know, once I got through college, dropped out of college. But I was like majoring in business. I was like, forget all this shit. I'm not doing this business stuff. I'm going to go and pursue it now. Yeah. But then I got to start pursuing it, and I realized, well, you probably needed that degree, smart guy. For what? At the time, I think, that's how I thought. And then I'm like, okay, let me just try this YouTube channel. I started my YouTube channel in 2017, called it the Wade concept. We are debating everything. It's also my name, Wade. I like it. I was like, oh, I'm clever. Yeah, yeah. But I like it. I was like, okay, this will be my way to make a resume. Since I don't have the degree, I'll start commentating on cards. So I started commentating on the UFC cards. even the fight nights all that nine hours at a time just early prelims all the way through the main

event maybe two people watching on these live streams i was doing just hammer it and i would do like a one one once a week midweek show where i was just sitting there in front of the camera just me talking about the fights coming up for about an hour so and i did that i would say for about two years on and off sometimes i'd get demotivated frustrated and be like and funny enough i used to come up to l.a hand out resumes and stuff like i was trying man i was trying to to figure it out. I would slide them under doors over at Fox Sports and Showtime and all that. You were trying to get picked by a big network. Because I didn't know any other way to do it. When did you start catching steam on the internet? I think a couple of things happened. I started

working with a company in Irvine. I live in Orange County. And I started actually two companies. One called Hall Pass Media. Shout out to them. It was actually where I just did my live stream, kind of a full circle moment. They let me use their warehouse. And I did the NBA Summer League. I interned for them. And I learned how to edit there. And I was like, oh, okay, maybe I should stop doing these long forms and learn to edit. And then influencer boxing started to happen. This is around the 2017, 2018 time period. KSI Logan Paul stuff.

KSI Logan Paul won. I remember that. I covered it. And it was like. That's when I punched Vitaly in the face. Yeah, man. Hit him with a nasty right. I remember too.

Did you talk about that? Yeah, because he, I was like, I'm watching it. And I'm like, okay, there's, I didn't know who you were yet because I'm still getting in. I'm like, there's a big motherfucker standing there because I had seen one of the clips. And I was like, this guy, Vitali tried to choke him for some reason. Yeah, like the neck. trying to give you like the freaking throat chop and I was like bad move and you showed him he's

right hand down the pipe on him and he immediately switched that energy you're like sorry man whoa hey you know what I mean it's crazy to watch the switch but yeah I covered that um and I saw the big gap in the market I saw was that people were just making fun of it that weren't influencers that people I knew like the boxing analysts yeah all serious people that the people that I took seriously weren't taking it seriously. And I was like, well, I've trained in Muay Thai and then started to do boxing because I was like, I'm not getting kicked in the head anymore. Forget this.

I was like, this sucks. I started training. And I was like, I've been where they're at. So maybe I can speak. Like, I can't go and critique Canelo Alvarez. Like, oh, you should do this, do that. But I can for people that are starting the sport. Right.

And show little holes and take it seriously. And I started covering it more and more. And I think the big break was. But beyond your actual application, like your own use in the sport, is your not, Is your knowledge of the sports vast? I would say for, I don't know. Which sport in particular do you like the most? MMA, for sure.

Okay, so the UFC guy. Yeah, for sure. UFC, like I said, PFL, Bellator, sometimes one championship, depending on who's fighting. One championship's crazy, bro. I love it. I love it. Hopefully I'm going to do some stuff with them, but...

That's like, isn't that the biggest one in the whole world? Well, they employ a lot of fighters from a lot of different places, but the UFC is technically still the leader. The leader as far as, like, viewers, Yeah. Their viewership is a lot done free. Like they have a lot of free viewership. The UFC's paid viewership is far bigger. Oh, okay. Yeah. Far bigger. So you're, you, you, you started to find success because you just kept doing it. Pretty much. I kept covering influencer boxing. And then I think the big, like I said, the big break was, uh, Jake Nate Robinson. Oh, man. That was one of the funniest

memes, man. A lot of the sports world that didn't, you know, really follow the fight game. Looked this like, oh, this Disney kid, Jake's going to get washed. I'm like, I'm telling you. Because he's a basketball player. This basketball guy, high-level athlete. And I'm like, telling you, it's not going to go well for your boy. I'm watching this. And I'm watching the way he's preparing.

He doesn't understand what Jake's becoming legit, you know, and covered that. Got a lot of traction. And then obviously Jake, Ben Ascran happened. And I was famously on the side of Ben Ascreen because of the Simebay guy at heart. I was like, bro, there's no way. I feel like everyone does that. Even recently with the Dylan Dennis thing, like everyone's like, Dylan's going to save us.

No, dog. We've learned at this point. We've learned. Yeah. So what's your take on it now? Because like obviously then no one took it serious and you were trying to kind of take it serious and like be more into commentating, giving it like some just value. Yeah. Now after, obviously I do feel like people are taking it more serious.

But like after last night, I don't know. There's something about it that just still feels kind of corny. Like I like it. It still feels kind of corny. Like because when I think about this fight, let's talk about KSI and, and, Tommy Fury first. And we'll talk about Logan and Dylan Dennis. But I don't know.

I guess I was expecting something different because, you know, they've been training now for time, like a couple years. And then when I see this fight, KSI, and like, I'm not, like, dude, I'm not in the ring. I'm not sitting here shing on these people. But I feel like KSI relies on big overhand right. If he doesn't get it, it's a clinch. That's like what the repetition of that fight was.

I made a tweet jokingly being like, it's like watching a street fighter. someone play street fighter just spam the same move spamming the move right and like that's what it felt like and so i'm like and then also too did you see you probably see because you you probably on this like i am all the time yeah yeah kSI had recently they they were like let's overturn his decision and they sent it back in and they sent back out that it went from um a majority wait a majority to a unanimous decision so so he got he tried to like say yo redo this decision and it got worse for him so i don't know that the appeal has actually been filed yet i think what happens is there's a when you when boxing scorecards are made there is a review of scorecards just internally

after fights just to make sure that everything was calculated correctly on the night one of the scores was just like calculated incorrectly there wasn't the appeal process still hasn't happened yet so they're still waiting on the actual appeal one of the scorecards just mathematically was wrong so that's all that that was they changed what was already supposed to have been on the scorecard a unanimous decision to a unanimous decision you know what I'm saying got it got so the appeal process will probably, today is Sunday, it'll probably be... Do you think it's going to get overturned? No. No. No. I think that because of the way the fight is being judged, I don't see that changing, if that makes sense. There's a lot of

stuff that goes into how fights are judged based on what you like as a sportsman or what you like as a judge. And based on the way they judged it, I don't think it's going to get changed. So how are they judging clinching? That's the big point. That's the major point. It's just, it's I swear to God, I watched that fight, and it just felt, I'm not even trying to dog these people. I'm not trying to dog KSI, but it's just like, he did this. He just did a big overhand, and if it didn't do what he wanted it to do, which it didn't, the whole fight, he's ended up in a clinch, and then they're just like smacking each other. Exactly.

So the clinch, boxing in the clinch is called dirty boxing for a reason. It's kind of the technical gray area in the sport. Some commissions and judges will value it because of the work you do in there, even if you're not necessarily holding, but close quarters combat, right? in the pocket because you can judge it that way, but also there is a bit of illegality and holding and punching in the clinch. Again, it's a gray area where it's like,

how do you feel you judge it? It's weird because you see KSI complaining about it, but it's like complaining because he's getting hit in the back of the head or whatever, and this and then it's like, you're the one going in for the clinch every single time. Yeah, there's a lot of, like I said, it was almost a mirror match too

because just to back up, JJ's style is not a traditional boxing style at all. Yeah, of course. He takes a lot of inspiration and almost a carbon copy of Michael Vennam Page, who he trains with at London Chew Fighters. I don't know if you've ever heard of Michael Vennepage. He's a bladed fighter.

He's a highlight machine. You should watch him. He's a dope fighter. Fights for Bellator. But he takes a very bladed stance, sideways almost, instead of that square up shoulder, and we'll dart in and out. The gift and the curse of that style is what you saw on Saturday.

Is that if JJ doesn't land the big right hand, he overcrowds everything. And Tommy obviously is trying to, to get his jab off and work terrains too. So these two are colliding. Constantly. Over and over. Yeah.

It made for an ugly fight. And I'm not going to sit here and dog it like you said because it is what it is. Styles make fights. When you want a guy that wants to move forward with his jab and another guy that wants to use explosive movement, they're going to collide over and over. But yeah, the complaining stuff, I don't understand. It's just one of those things where it's frustrating on both sides. Tommy's like, I just couldn't get going because this guy is just, like you said, right hand

and then falling in behind it. Yeah. And KS. I's like, well, dude, this guy is just hit me behind the head and the clinch. doing this and i just think it was one of those fights where their styles was such a style clash that it came it became a dog fight and didn't look very pretty at all yeah now what about logan paul and dylan danis that one i was like what did you expect you know that one was crazy but it's like oh man i just got to say this dude i just don't want to hear about dylan danis ever

again yeah like i invite him on the pot a few times and he's tough to get a hold up by the yeah yeah yeah and i'd love to still talk to him but bro like I don't know what like because I saw disappointed with it. I was disappointed because you know obviously I know he's a jitsu guy high level super high level. No disrespect in there but it's like

he was talking shit as if like he was going to do something and then it showed up that his literally like at first you're watching like okay maybe he's just trying to tire this guy out and then it's like the last round you're like is he like what's yeah and it's like obviously what it looked like to me was he goes okay

I'm in over my head I'm gonna just try not to get knocked out and then that's my claim and also just mess around and pretend like I don't care about this and jump on the floor and do all these these like antics so that my the people who are watching me all these fans who have been riding with me for the last couple months are still like ha ha you got him but it's like to save face moment yeah it's a safe face but you still got you still look stupid yeah like at the end of the day you probably got it right on the head like I can't even describe it any better than that because he posts uh uh and by the way Dylan hold on he posts what the one punch he took out of the one punch he took out of

the nine well the one punch you took but he also posted i don't know the movie but the where robert denio is playing the you know the the character yeah he's like you didn't knock me out right yeah you didn't and he's he's leaning into that right as okay well you didn't do what you said you were going to do but dylan didn't do what he said he was going to so it's like well he didn't do anything show up to box you showed up to to get your like you said your safe face moment you're if this was a real fight i do this that and the other the problem is even when he did the real fight thing he's like logan slipped out of the guillotine and i know you even got i even see Mighty Mouse being like he couldn't even

couldn't even land the game to try to go single leg on Logan and he didn't even try but again you got the boxing gloves on but he sprawled it you know what I'm saying? It's like okay cool Logan wins the MMA yeah but that's what I'm saying it's so it's like and then I saw a tweet today that I actually responded to and I'm like he's like yeah Jake you can't knock me out it's like so it's just like you're boxing

just to show that you can't get knocked out like it's just weird to me dude Dylan was a very very smart guy in this buildup he did exactly wanted what it to do and I don't blame for it and you even saw Connor being like great show kid phenomenal you know what I'm saying like they're all trolling it was a troll fist they're all trolling you got a crazy bag to come in and troll boxing and yeah that's where you talked about the legitimacy stuff that's where I'm like man what are we doing because at least if you didn't like the KSI and Tommy fight for you know

whatever reasons maybe the post fight I think part of it was the post fight attitude that that turned people off but if you didn't like that at least both guys tried at least they were in there trying to win. Yeah, yeah. No, I cannot, there's no disrespect on that. You know what I'm saying? I didn't like to show up and just guard the whole time and then like be like, you didn't get me though. It's like, like, like you said, I think the strategy if it was this or if it would have been him going for two or three rounds to try to like go high guard, let Logan gas, right, rope a dope him a bit and then get back into the fight. Even if you're not the most technical guy, just swing something. That would have been, okay, I'm with you.

Let's do it. Did you see, did you see? Because I don't, I didn't think this. Only for like one moment did Logan ever looked tired, even. He didn't have to be, like, he didn't have to do anything defensively. This is the thing, Logan, when he can dictate a fight and it fought on his terms and take breaks and bounce around for a little bit, he's not going to gas. He didn't even have to put his hands up. No, that's, well, that's part of Logan's style, too. I've still yet to see someone make him pay for that other than, you know, KSI obviously

won the fight, but like really make Logan pay. Because to me, Logan didn't look drastically different over the two or three year time. Like you said, guys have been training this for five years. He has a trainer in Milton Supreme that does implement a style like that. It's been successful with other guys. But I was not super impressed with Logan, but that's not his fault. Who do you think wins Jake Paul or Logan Paul if they fought? All right, guys, quick and a rush for the podcast.

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was unloading on him they were like Jake Paul and he not just was like Jake Paul unloading oh yeah What the fuck? The struggle sometimes. And that's another thing that people are upset about too is, and I won't disrespect any of the commentary. Some of those guys I've worked with,

like the great Todd Grisham and those guys, but there's sometimes when you bring people into this scene that don't understand it, it gives off, you know, a corporate vibe. Like, okay, those are the, they don't even understand who this is and it turns the fans off a bit, you know what I mean? It's funny.

So, so Jake and Logan, I would stay with Jake right now because Logan, like I said, he didn't look drastically different. And even when he does, sit down on shots, it looks like, again, arm punching. It doesn't look like his base

is underneath him with a lot of stuff offensively. Because I feel like he had some pretty good opportunities to K.O. Dennis. It looks like, again, I don't know how he'd even describe it. A lot of arm punching,

almost frantic in some spaces too to just keep on his jab and sometimes volume for no reason. Whereas if he contained a bit of that and was more patient, used his feet to get to positions versus reaching on shots, There's parts of the fight where he's going after Dylan, like stalking him down,

and he looks like he's throwing a baseball pitch. Back leg comes flying off the ground. He's just winging stuff. And I'm like, man, you told ever, and again, no disrespect to Logan. He won the fight clearly and fantastic win for him. But I was like, for him to be telling people, I got this much better in two years, I didn't see that. I saw a guy that won a fight that he should have won,

and I think everybody thought he would win against the guy that wasn't there to box. Yeah. I just wonder what happens when I did see a tweet from you though What tweet? Which tweet? I know you had troll on Twitter But I have to ask about it You said

Yo, my tweets are going viral It's so funny You were going stupid, bro You said Logan is 100% on steroids I'm willing to bet All the money You say steroids though steroids Because I'm a biohack guy too

So do you mean he's on PDs Or legitimately like antibiotics Well do the same thing Performance answer drugs The Amobics are the same thing Okay I'm just making it like I know if you're talking Peptides

or what you, you know what I'm saying? No, I think he's on testosterone. I'm not saying he's taking fucking Tranner. He's on all some crazy shit. That's what I'm saying. Right, right, right. No, no. So, PDs, obviously, all these things are the same.

He's thinking he's on PDs, yeah. I think he's taking steroids. Yeah. I do 100% I'm willing to bet that. All the money that I have, I bet. I've always had my suspicions. And I, I, I'm not even sitting here being like, fuck him for that at all.

This does I make that clear. Okay. I mean, but in combat sports. Well, so now we got to talk about, we got to, I want to keep talking about this. Okay. So let's keep talking about the Logan thing. So what do you think? Do you think he is or he isn't? I think he has for sure. But I don't know if he is currently. Why would he not? Why would he not if, you know? Well, that's what I'm saying. He's like, he's like, he's like looking in the mirror. He's in his bathroom. And he's like, fucking. He's like, Dylan, I'm going to kill this fucking kid. He's like injecting his fucking shit. Because he's like, I got to protect Nina.

Yeah, facts, facts. And he did. And he did. And he's like for all the criticisms. He's like a little more angular in the face. The thing I've always thought is like, do you, how do you get bigger and then lean out as you get bigger? I don't know that I'm not. How do you get bigger and then lean out as you get bigger? Like, it's usually a process of getting bigger leaning, getting bigger leaning. He's leaning out as he's getting it. Now you're, now you're, now you're, see, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's where I'm, I'm always asked the question.

And I'm a professional, you know what I'm not, you know, obviously. But I've always asked that question because if I've ever tried to get bigger is a process of doing that. Yeah. That's what, that's why I'm making, that's why I'm making the assumption. But I won't go as far to say he's on it right now just because I can't prove that part. Like I can go, oh, like you said, it's an assumption. But there is a testing process for boxing. Apparently they tested post-fight.

Usually that should be a pre-and post-fight test. I'm not going to get into the specifics of what I would have liked to have seen. But if they tested him, he comes out clean. It is what it is. He's not on it now. But that doesn't mean he hasn't been on it before. That was my whole point. Yeah.

I mean, with the drugs, I mean, you could just take a certain. amount to a degree and then half life and then eventually it's gone out of your system and you can balance the level so that the ratios are still correct in relationship to everything else so you'll come out clean I mean that's how people have been beating drug tests forever right and then also taking just like gray area drugs that aren't actually tested for and that was another thing too there's a ton of shit the test itself has to be a little more stringer yeah like I said I thought Logan didn't look any different but he didn't have to well he's got this is what one of the biggest things one of the biggest things like is just the thickness like the

diameter of the veins. Yeah? Like it's an androgen use. Your veins don't just get thick. Like your muscles in relationship to like how thick your veins are. You got them inflatable sponge bob arms, bro. Those things are jacked. I mean, he's got great genetics.

There's no denying this. But, you know, the ratio and how it happens, how quickly, it's like the veins don't just get that thick, even if you're like training. I mean, it's not a normal progression to get your veins out. Because I looked at him. I've seen them all the other ones. and then this one from the last one is like drastically different yeah so it is what it is we'll see it doesn't look like he's going to be here for a long time with the boxing anyway but i think both

those brothers take gear by the way jake and logan you think jake's on it too yeah why not i don't know about jake man i don't i don't see any big drastic difference with him and plus he's doing vata testing which is a pretty stringent test in these boxing things he's doing that he's doing that he's done it for his last i think three fights oh really yeah okay i didn't know that yeah wow You know, and Jake doesn't have an abnormal body shape or abnormal, like, no growth progression in his body either. That's the one thing I'll stand for him on is I don't think Jake, I mean, I can't say ever, I don't know, but I don't think Jake since he started boxing has been on that.

Damn, shout out, Jake, Paul, that's dope. That vata testing is legitimate. Maybe a little growth hormone. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just trolling. I don't know. I'm just trolling.

But I don't, it doesn't, to me, it doesn't look like that. Yeah. But I don't know. Like, I think he's been in the test speak for themselves for him. like he's been three it's been a year and a half now vata testing and he's come out clean random vata testing too like like like not like yo we're going to show up at this time like yo they show up you better be there here's the test a sample b sample you know what i'm saying yeah so what do you think about dylan continuing to fight you think you should continue to fight in

this whole arena no no no no no no i think that it's been found out what he's going to show up to do yeah you know what i'm saying and if that's what if that's your cup of tea if that's what you want to watch then okay but i don't think it does influence or buy boxing any justice to have people going in there purposely to survive, not win. Yeah. I want to see doing an MMA. Yeah. I've been wanting to see that.

And I hope he goes back and does that because I do think he's a talented MMA fighter. Do you think any of those guys will give him a time of day in MMA? Well, the names he wants, probably not after that. But the difference is he takes that seriously. I don't know how much how seriously he took this. In fact, I don't think he did. Show up, make a bad, cool. He didn't come in with a long.

time coach did a ton of media and fair play he took that in very seriously yeah he saw a night before he was out night before he's out doing his thing though I'm like bro dude he's like what did y'all what did y'all think what did you think when I'm just pissed I spent $54 dude I think I was joking I was joke another tweet that went viral was like I'm gonna sue them because the whole logan's yo someone showed me that on when we were sitting lay vion I was there with labial bell he showed me he was like look at this honestly though like that's the thing is when you pay for something, that's the least you want. Like, you know, I just want it more than, like, at least 20 punches throw.

You just want to want to take it seriously. Like, go in to win. We're not expecting you to be Canelo. We're not expecting you to be, like, you know, triple G or nothing like that. It was disappointing, man. It was. But the rest of the card, that's the thing, too, is the undercard is dope. Okay, yeah, yeah.

So, so my favorite, I was telling Jacob this, my favorite fight on that whole thing was slim and salt poppy. Crazy fight. Bro, like, that was amazing. Crazy fight. Again, the difference between people taking it seriously and people not. Yeah. Dylan didn't have any moment like that because those dudes tried. It did kind of suck for Logan because like obviously I don't, I don't think he won't

think they pay. I jokingly said did they pay him for this? Another tweet, but I don't think they paid him for that. But like it must kind of suck to be like you win, but just kind of almost by default. That's what I'm saying. That's the whole thing is like we can sit here and you know, talk about whatever with Logan. But the guy worked his ass off. He tried. He got in there and he did what he was supposed to do. You can't take that win away from him. But it does suck to be him, I'm sure, because, like, fuck, dude. I'm not even getting the victory I should have got. You got a bunch of money or whatever, but, like, the guy just wasted everyone's

fucking time. I know, yeah, and that's the thing. And fair play to Logan, he was saying it. He's like, you're here to waste everyone's time, but I'm just going to shut you up once and for all. Maybe on, like, a moral scale for Logan because of all the onslaught of attacks, he just needed to get it done with. So, yeah.

It does suck for Logan. So you think no more Dylan Dennis in this sport? Not in influencer boxing or any boxing, I don't think. I think. I think MMA still he's going to have a market. I feel like that's his only route now. He has to do that. I wonder who would take that?

I mean, with Bellator getting folded into the PFL, potentially. But that's not certain yet? I don't know that the deal's gone through yet. And I don't know that they're speaking on it super publicly. But it looks like that's what's going to happen. I don't know that he wants to go over there, but it would probably be his best shot at getting some of that legitimacy back. I don't know that Dana White's going to look at that and go,

I want him in the UFC because what's Dana always value? Go fucking fight. If you don't show up and fight in front of Dana, he will bounce you out that night. He'll get in the post-fight presser and be like, yeah, that guy's gone. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, I don't know. Fuck. And you can't trust it now. Even though I think he would go and take it seriously, you can't trust it. Yeah. So on Dana White and UFC and steroids, what do you think about the USADA stuff

being like departed? I like it, to be honest. I like it because fighters have a little bit well hopefully again the fighters almost have no bargaining agreements in the ufc it's like you know sign this or whatever like they have no antitrust there is no you know union right now yeah there would be for other sports like the NFL so the fighters are always in a kind of take it or leave it situation you know and it's an individual sport so no one wants to team up to do it but in that case specifically usada was great for what it was and keeping tests of fighters

consistent and making sure people were clean but it was also a bit of an overreach um in my opinion why because you have guys popping for weed and being suspended two to three years at a time yeah that's not or guys having whereabouts infractions and being suspended like usada can show up to the places that you have to supposedly like check in with them to be like you if yusana came looking for you and you weren't at home they'd be like all right you need to be home in 30 minutes to an hour because your whereabouts says you're in los angeles if you're not you're getting hit with an infraction Like you have to continually update with them Where you're gonna be

It's like school but 24-7 And you get fucking infractions and shit Crazy. That's fucked I didn't even know that Guys can get suspended for like multiple infractions You know whatever Like you have to check in If you're leaving the country

You gotta tell them If you're leaving the state you gotta tell them Oh my God That's the fuck So for that reason I'm like yeah bro Thank God like let's get the fighters A little bit more control of

And also you're seeing online Connor McGregor 107 Usada And it's kind of true I don't know the ins and outs of what Connor was or wasn't taking but you want to talk about a human girl Oh no I 100% believe he was on steroids And I don't have any mind

I don't have any problem with it For what it was used for Hopefully yeah yeah yeah Recover his shit up You know what I'm saying? Fuck yeah I support that 100% Yeah

If he's out of competition And he's wanting to be able to walk around And not have these injuries I got injuries dude I had a torn bicep lateral ligament tear on my ankle knee hernias like if I could have done stuff like that I had the money to do it and it was all I was doing it for a sport yeah well let's let's let's talk about this at a high level then just steroids in general and speaking about that in professional sports I'm willing to bet that most players at the top of

any sport are using these things to recover period yeah and and I'm also I'd also go on to say that I think like it shouldn't be as stigmatized as it is because it's like listen these people are you know obviously performing for the whole world in front of fucking everyone like their whole life depends on this yeah um i wish it was there was more clear and open like hey this is a part this is kind of just a part of this thing and everyone kind of knows it because i feel like everyone kind of knows it now yeah but like this gray air where like so that guy does it but this guy doesn't it's like you can't yeah and it's just kind of like and just like i feel like fuck it just if they're going to do this to because like everyone gets this you know when they think

of steroids everyone thinks of like some big jacked bodybuilder. And that's not at all, like, what it is. You can get that from it if you're, like, trying to get that. Yeah. But it's, it's about recovery. It's about, like, stress reduction. There's so many parts of it that are just beneficial to anyone in any sport.

Right. And it's like, even if basketball player could take something from this playbook and gain a massive benefit that's going to make them recover, like, be able to come back on the court sooner. So it's just like, I'm willing to bet they're all dabbling in this stuff. And it's like, man, let's just like, like stop fucking trying to police the shit like obviously people are overdoing it i don't know maybe there's a way to like that's what i'm saying it's tough because like especially with combat

sports you're you're not playing a game that's the issue right you have guys juice in their test up like uh the big example that a lot of people uses vitor belfort um back in his heyday when the uh it was kind of the wow wow west in the ufc the uh trt era trt vtor is as he's called head kicked i think he head kicked Michael Bisbing or maybe hit him with the left hand and blinded him. Just knocked his shit off. Yeah, he couldn't just Mike had to have his literal eye removed later on and it's like, okay,

like... So we're saying now he's too strong. It's like, yo, you're juice to the gills, I don't know, levels, but off the charts, test levels, and going in and fighting a guy. So that's where it becomes a little dangerous in combat sports. Like, dude, the home run era in baseball, Mark McGuire,

Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, give me that. Hit balls, fucking $600. I don't give a shit. Because now we're talking about the safety. Safety of fighters is a tough issue. Yeah, I see. And that's where you're kind of right, though, where you're like, okay, if it's for recovery,

I get it. But if it's like you're recovering and then keeping a little bit on there as you continue to get back in, it's a little bit of an issue. So it's tough, man. I'm fully with you, though, for recovery because you're at the highest level, dude. We pay to watch things that we can't do.

I don't pay to watch LeBron with a bum knee and like, let me get this layup off. I pay to watch LeBron at 3rd. still doing what he's doing, fadeaways and stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So I get it.

It's tough. I see what just saying. So it is a little different in the combat sports arena. Because you're not playing a game, you know. So maybe if it was just, if it was just policed while you're on,

like, fight camp going to fight versus like, if you know you're not fighting because you're trying to recover or, you know, maybe there's some. There's got to be some area there where we can have that. But again, there's always going to be people taking advantage. And then you're going to have people do it anyways,

but you're also going to have like, there's different types of drugs for like different effects to. EPO versus, Yeah, and there's drugs that make you like your oxygen capacity way higher. Right. And it's like, what if the other guy that you're fighting just doesn't know enough? Because this team don't know enough, but you know enough. And you're just out there like a fucking, you got wind like a horse.

Yeah, I'm going to do this all day. This guy's not getting tired. And there's already guys like that. And UFC, just imagine, you know what I'm saying? Maybe they're doing it. Who knows? But imagine a guy like Colby Covington decides he wants to get him in that. It's like, oh my God.

You know. Fuck. So I see what you're just saying. In the combat sports, it is a little bit more. But I don't, but I, it's hard, though, because I do want to come out and say I support it for guys having these catastrophic injuries being able to. Because, bro, who else is having, you know, again, we talk about the NBA. When these guys tear at ACL or something, I'm sure they're giving a little something to them to help recover. Of course.

Got to be for the UFC as well. So it's a fine line, but we'll see. I do think it's a net benefit for the fighters, though. So you think the, you saw the leaving is a good thing, just more so from the overreach. I think so. The overreach was a big deal. And it was having, it was cutting guys careers off. And let's be honest, even if you're in the UFC, you're not making NFL money.

You're not making NBA money. So, bro, those three to six to eight fights, life-changing. So do you think that them being gone, though, is going to just encourage more people to experiment? I'm sure, at least early on before there's like a set protocol for what they're going to do. I don't know. They came out, the UFC came out and said who they were going to partner with. So I don't think it's going to be a drastic change in the policies because they're keeping the guy, Jeff Nevsky, who's kind of oversaw. that he's staying on with the UFC.

So they're still planning to keep drug testing in there. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just don't know, hopefully there's a little bit more of a leeway with this whole, you know, what you're testing for and what really is making a benefit versus net gain or net loss and fighter ability versus just being, okay, you're on weed, sorry, two years, hold that. Nick Diaz is the big example of that. Nick Diaz had a whereabouts issue and also was on marijuana tested and broke the whereabouts.

they gave him two to three years and it was like bro yeah kind of ended the fucking in his prime it's like the end of the fucking career nice yeah and then he comes back and looks like he looks you know what was it i guess a year ago and it's like well look what you did nice usada yeah i'm supposed to get him on the potter to talk to him as well that should be got a dope story man really cool dope story um so so you're a big ufc guy mainly yeah yeah are you excited for the fights coming up a hundred percent dude yeah saturday what switched up the card too you could argue a better card yeah you know Hulk's one of my favorite fighters man he's got some of the most impenetrable defense adjusts on the fly well grappling's good got Craig Jones one of the best

grapplers in the world on his team now already went the distance with makachev already people thinking he beat him problem is we're on 10 days notice bro listen I think it's one of those things like when he was talking about Sean just kind of winning however he won and being like some things are just like the stories are just written that way I feel like he's going to win this fight. I really feel like he's, yeah, man. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, you think he's not going to win? It's 10, it's 10 days, that's the reason.

I don't even care. They're both obviously incredible fucking fighters. And he's coming off surgery, which people don't, I don't know if people know that. Surgery on. His arm, something that happened with his arm after the, after his last fight. Oh, fuck. Rodriguez fight. I didn't know that.

It was a minor surgery, super minor. Dude, I think he's going to win, man. He's such a fucking savage. I remember we interviewed him in Dubai. He's so fucking cool. he's so smart IQ incredible like especially fight IQ but this guy's just like I don't know

because the last fight I remember thinking like he almost fucking got his ass there was there was two things that stuck out in that fight it was Islam striking ability that surprised Volk and Volk's grappling ability that surprised Islam there's no surprises now yeah so again on an even playing field they both know their strengths weaknesses

they both been in there five rounds it's just 10 days it's 10 days that's the issue that's the worry is like I was eating as good a shape as he could have been was the camp you know there was no camp so how much had he trained so yeah and Islam was in camp for another fighter so yeah tough dude i'm really excited for this one about the co-main though you saw that god yeah all of him mara usman yeah stepping in on 10 day nine days hamzat shimyev the freaking boogeyman that's that everybody's saying is the next step up how do you think that's going to go it depends uh kamara usman always looks like he's in great

shape. Sometimes Hamza Chamaev trades a little bit more with his striking than you would think he should for as high level grappler as he is. It's kind of one of those fuck it guys. Yeah, he likes to throw. I want to bite down and throw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, that's sometimes the detriment of grapplers is they think

they're boxers. They want to become, you know what they know. It's called father's plan, right? Habib's dad famously. Anytime Habib wanted to get, you know what I'm saying? Crazy with the hands. He'd be like, no, father's plan. Just win. Just win. How you know how to win. yeah that what that's as a championship fighter like kamar usman is that might be the difference maker for him if he's going to win is like bro i've been here you know i'm saying i've been in these situations i know how to get you out of your comforts what i get you out of your game how tough do you think it is for these fighters to come back after like a loss and some time to come back

and like really be sharp sharp it's tough because if you're kamara usman you'd been at the top of the game for forever you know i'm saying you were in the conversation of being if not the best one of the best one seven years ever yeah beating everyone lapping the division and all a sudden Leon Edwards beat you twice. Yeah. Confidence is a motherfucker, man. Confidence is a motherfucker. And now you're going to 85.

You kind of need this one to stay at the top of the mountain there. You're 35, I think, 36. Yeah. Young, hungry bull coming up. On three rounds, two, 10 days notice. It all writes itself to be Hamzat Jemaya victory, but we'll see. Yeah. Fuck.

And then obviously, what is it? What month are they fighting? Bones and... Late November? Yeah, late November. Steepay? Yeah. I mean, I think, I mean, I know, obviously I'm going to, I know who I'm betting on.

I think we all know who we're betting on. Do you think that fight surprises anyone? Do you think it surprised me? Because, obviously, I'm going, John. Potentially, I mean, Steve A's a decent enough crappler. But it's John Jones. He's the best ever. He's the best ever.

And Steve Bay coming off two, or no, a loss. A loss or two losses, I'm not sure. But coming off a loss, I think three years out now. It's been so long since he's fought. He's 41, I think 42 about to be. you gotta go with Joan. Smart money says Jones because while Steve A's a good grappler,

John Jones is a phenomenal grappler. John Jones is good at everything. His boxing leaves little to be desired. Yeah, a little. But that's, we're very like nitpicking. We're talking about what John can't do because he is the best regardless.

He's the goat, bro. He's the goat and you saw him. He was like, I survived. You saw it. I was on Twitter the other day. I was like, oh, you can't say it from him now. But yeah, dude, John will probably be, I mean, probably beat Steve As will get clipped if it happens the other way and then probably retire.

Yeah, I think it's it for him too. Because if Francis was still in the UFC, that's the fucking mega fight. But of course, we don't get that, of course. Yeah. For that, there's really nothing. How do you think that fight would go? I still feel like John Jones will beat that. John wins. John beats Francis.

In my opinion, he beats Francis. Because what Francis does very well, John has the best counter for when it's grappling, man. And Steve A's grappling saved him in the first Francis fight. but again there's levels to this shit and john is levels on everyone and he's fast even at that way he put the weight on right took a couple of years off that guy's incredible man people going into that that fight you're talking about surreal gone right and john oh my god oh surreal he's the best striker john will ever see and has ever seen 30 seconds in he takes him down arm in geotene he was bro john was like yo uh and this is how sinister john jones can be man and this

what makes him a bad motherfucker. He's like, yo, I heard his neck pop a couple times. I thought I'd give him a chiropractic adjustment. I was like, oh. The real question is, who wins in a street fight? John Jones Don't do this. John knows or Bradley Martin? I mean, bro, that's a no brain

obviously. How much is John Jones weigh? Now? He's like 238. Yeah, I got like 30 pounds on him. Dog, he would pick you up on one leg. You know, John, you know, Joe Rogan said that you could hit someone with the earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is what he would do to you. Yeah, yeah. He would hit you with the earth, dog. Bro, that's, dude. Hey, dude, you've done a great job

with that, by the way. That's phenomenal, dude. Yeah, I loved how it permeated, like, the whole industry and, like, random interviews were asking random people. Yeah, about, again, about you. It's so crazy. Fantastic. I loved the best answer, though, was when you had Cheeto in here. It was phenomenal. Yeah, yeah. He's like, I would play, I would open you up and play with your guns. Yeah. He's like, he's like that, though. That's the difference. He's, I, I really, enjoyed interviewing that guy. I did not know that he was like that. Fantastic. Not necessarily his answer, but everything about the way he was talking

about, the way his work ethic, the what he eats, how he treats his body. Everything was crazy. Fantastic guy. What do you think is going to happen if because I think that fight, I don't know if it's slated. In fact, I don't believe it is guaranteed or slated. But then, Cheeto versus Shoggiore.

The problem with Cheeto that's gone on for the last couple of fights is how slow he starts. And he's always kind of been a slow starter, but against a guy like Sean and we we saw the first fight i don't want to call it a freak accident because it's not he kicked him low kicked him hit him in the the perennial nerve right john got dropped foot and then he finished him that's how fights go it's a fight there is no fluke whatever that's a fight he did something your body reacted um that being said i don't know

if that scenario happens again so you have to get started quicker is what chito's had an issue with with the corey sanhagan some of those young guys that division just not a quick starter he gets behind on these cards and a five-rounder. When you say behind, you mean behind, just like behind points? Guys are winning rounds. Winning rounds. And it's not necessarily that he's, you know, rocked or getting beat up. He's a tough mother, you talk to him.

Yeah. Hey, yeah, his game, he's going to be there. Great jiu-jitsu, great grappling as well. He's going to be there. But on the cards, if you're losing early, to make up that ground is not a big-time volume puncher, it's going to be tough, right? Yeah.

So I think that's the only issue is if Sean gets out early and Sean has got great kicks, he's got great striking, he's got great districting, he's got great distance management control walked aljo onto that shot if john if sean gets started early it's gonna be a tough tough to come back from what do you think about all the the shan hate just in general i don't i don't get it i don't understand it what what would you hate about a guy like that is that he talks is it that he and i don't mean necessarily from the people i'm just mean from the other fighters in the division that's what i don't get it like he works just as hard

as you guys work okay he didn't deserve the aljo fight in your opinion what Okay, well, that's fine. But when he goes and beats Aljo, you can't really say anything after that. Yeah. And if you're like, oh, well, you should defend against Marab. Why is Marab the guy? You're going to reward Marab for ducking the fight with Aljo

because he's his best friend. We're going to reward that. Because that's what kind of happened in that division is Marab was like, I'm not fighting Aljo when he's the number one guy and picking off everybody else trying to fight Aljo. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like he goes and picks off Piotr-Yon by, you know,

running him into the fence 20 times. and failing takedowns and does the same thing with Josealdo and all of a sudden all the contenders that you want to see with Aljo

they're not there because Marab's beating him and he's like I'm not fighting my friend it's a weird thing so it's like does the UFC reward that kind of behavior

if you're not going to accept fights that they put in front of you so I don't mind the Cheeto fight I don't mind Sean being like Maraub whatever

let me do this first like I don't mind you who do you think he fights after Cheeto if he fights Cheeto if he beats Cheeto and Aljo in that same time frame

comes back gets a win. I'd like to see that as a rematch. I wouldn't mind that. Aljo again? Yeah, why not? Yeah, because when I interviewed Aljo, Aljo was like certain he was like, he just got, he was trying to put on a show so he overstepped. All right, guys, quick and a much for the podcast, Lucy, check this out. Lucy makes tobacco-free nicotine. Honestly, the reason why I've ever tried this with the reason why I've ever used this product is because I like the new tropic benefits of it. The reason why I like Lucy specifically is because the flavors are good, mango's hands down, one of my favorite flavors. But as far as like the benefits of it, it's going to help you be a little

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is age verified warning the product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical so you guys want you know at your own risk let's get back into this podcast that in his like in his defense that may have been the case but it doesn't necessarily mean well i just get my rematch you know no of course not of course not but aljo going into that fight i picked alger i was like bro he's Because you pick percentages. You're like everything says Al Joe should be able to grapple Sean and Sean shouldn't be able to golf his back if he gets to him. And even the way that Al Joe enters, he didn't usually do that, right?

Where he has a long jab and then just loops and overhand. Here's my chin. And Sean, cool, hold that one. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So at that moment, it was like it's like we talk about with even the comparison of McConnell McGregor, like you said, there's some things where you just have that manifestation of what is going to happen.

Even Sean was like, I had a bad camp, la-da-da-da, but I just knew, you know what I'm saying? I knew I could walk him on to one. That's what happened. Fuck, I want to see Sean at full health, too, man. That's what I'm saying. That's another thing that's so tough about MMA is like you're getting these championship fights where guys go through grueling camps. Oh, fucking injured. Other fuckers are injured.

Oh, I got a broken arm. It's like, what? Yeah, they're just moving around. Like, oh, dude, my toe is fucked up. Well, that's why I love the fucking UFC, though, man. Yeah? Because it's so, like, there's, like, there's, dogs. Yeah, there's just so much that goes into that.

And it's like the preparation, everything, man. So much respect for those guys. I mean, like in the street, though, I'd fuck them all up. I was going to say, when you're getting in and fighting you, what's the deal? I know, I know everyone asks you, but I genuinely want to know what, are you going to fight? Dude, I wanted to fight fucking Logan and M. And M.

Man, because he ran his mouth about me on that part. That's crazy. Y'all, I don't know the story. Y'all were boys at some point. No, I mean, I'm not, I don't. He was always cool with me. He's always nice. But he just did that shit on the podcast, obviously just to promote his fight.

like he said it in the fight like in the podcast about to promote my upcoming fight I was going to say both y'all were kind of doing the social media thing and it's like y'all know the game so y'all I thought y'all were working like kind of bro wrestling style working I thought I didn't I didn't I was what happened was I did a did the interview with Nate Diaz and I was talking about how like yo I want to see Nate meme Jake his brother obviously and and just because like no one's done it right obviously and like I think that shit's funny because he's meme so many people right and then he took that at some sort of disrespect where it's like, and he gets on the internet,

but it's like, you clearly did this to promote your fight. And he even said it to promote my fight. Yeah, but it's also like, it's also like where we, we're like, at the end of the day,

I'm just also conversating about these things that are promoting all this shit. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, but to come out and the thing that bother me when he said, I'm, he said that I'm just getting lame.

Where it's like, if you want to say, oh, I disrespect your brother, whatever, fine, even though like, you know, there's a lot of things I could say in regard to that, like how he disrespects his brother

and these business relationship. It is what it is, right? So I'm not here for that. But, like, to say that I'm, like, getting lame is like, bro, what the fuck? What? Like, you also, if you really had a problem with what I said, you could always contact me. You got my phone number. But you got on the internet to promote your fight.

Right. And then you tried to son me. And then you guys sent Mike Perry at me at the time I didn't know who the fuck he was. And it's like, so Logan never responded to me when I said, yo, pull up outside my gym. I'll just fight you out here. I don't care about cameras. Yeah. And then they responded, Jake responded, like, fight Mike Perry for a million dollars.

I don't give a fuck about it. I didn't care about the money. It was just personal at that point. It was personal because it was just like, don't disrespect my character like I'm getting lame. So at the end of the day, like where there was no money involved, I would just do it on the street. I don't care. No money, no cameras. I don't give a fuck.

Gee. So it's like if I was able to train for something, that's something I'd like to train for. Straight MMA. Yeah. None of this boxing. No, fuck boxing, man. Okay. that word but it kind of makes sense in this case yeah but like don't know what they're doing

participating in a full-on fight yeah you know what I'm saying that's a little bit more sketchy guys will be a more okay with them no I that sounds fucking awesome you're ready to go but how many more guys especially at your weight too like yeah well I would I'm I'm willing to come down you know how much could you come down though I think I could come if I just train strictly fighting in in like train through the camp like just for that I could probably come down 15 20 okay for sure cut some water weight maybe 25. But then you ate 260. Yeah,

no, no, I don't care. But that's, you know, that's a superpower. Because then if I get my hands and I'm at $2.30,

I'm fucked, dude. Nah, bro, you ain't 260. That's a big deal. Did you imagine? Just lose like literally, the minute I passed 260,

I just lose my superpowers. Bro, you're like Hercules. Dude, you know the best part about that meme was like, I saw completely unrelated things to fighting. It was like talking about like animals, like animals were fighting each other like me.

And they're like, yeah, but the bear's not 260 though. Like, just the dumbish shit. I saw things like talking about other fights, like John Jones and this stuff. And people like, yeah, it's not 260. Bro, it's so stupid. You got your mark on the internet now, though, dog.

It's like with me, I don't know if you've seen, it's become like a little meme where I break, you know, I break down boxing. I do a lot of stuff. Sometimes it'll be like two seconds of footage, three seconds. And because sometimes that's all I have to work with, I will do a little breakdown on it. So anything that happens now, it's like, oh, at Wade Plim, time to break it down. And it's like one second of someone like looking a certain way. Oh, breakdown time.

That was everything. All the time now. Every single day on Twitter. The internet's fun, man. I love it. It's a lot of fun. Twitter's one of my favorite social medias. Love it.

Me too, by the way. I love it. Also Snapchat, because Snapchat's the fucking, the best fucking app on the planet. But Twitter is fucking incredible. It's one I'd probably use the most often because I news, everything. Can become a little toxic sometimes.

But in regards to, like, social media, has your perspective on, like, you within it changed since you've been doing it, like what you thought it was going to be like versus what it is. now? I think it all changed. I think it all kind of changed around that time where I was going through the drama with Misfits for sure. So, so what really happened there? Like, does KSI just suck or? No, no, no. I had never had a personal issue. So to make a long story short, I had,

like I said, some differing opinions on camera and behind the scenes with them. Like, I knew the promoter, you know, fairly well enough to contact him. And they came with the tag team thing. And I was like, hey man, I'm going to go on camera and talk about this because I don't know if I agree with the safety of it. Like, I don't know yet, but I'm going to go on camera and talk about it, just letting you know. And went and did that.

What did they say to that? Did they say, okay? He said, hey, let me call you and let me, you know, make sure that you understand before you do that. We talked and I still had some questions about it, but I reserved, you know, going out and be like, fuck all this. And I was just like, hey, I don't know if I agree with the safety of it.

Let me just see it. Let me just see it. And then I'll, you know, I'm having my opinion. I saw it, and I was like, okay, they do okay. But I also just had my own opinions on things like pay-per-review sales, and that was the big one. I was on one of my videos reacting to Jake on Logan's podcast saying that he thought that KSI wasn't a big draw and that he and Tommy in the rematch would sell more than KSI and Jake. And at the time, we were so far apart from even having a KSI and Jake fight. And I'm like, bro, it's been five years. Is this

ever going to happen. And I just went, you know what? I don't know that I can disagree with him. I don't know that I can disagree with what Jake just said. I don't know. And from that video, about 30 minutes after it goes public, I'm in a Twitter space,

talk about people, hey, what's going on? And I see KSI get on Twitter going, fuck this guy Wade and everything he stands for. This fucking beat, you know, doesn't know boxing, all this. And I'm thinking it's like a joke. Wait, because you said that you don't think that that would be a bigger draw

I said that I couldn't Like you might agree with Jake I was like I don't know That I can disagree with him So because you were agreeing with Jake That and then they had said It was some other stuff behind the scenes Like I had it

I'm not gonna promote it Because I know you got your thing here But I had a I have an energy drink That I partnered with Yeah Didn't promote it on their stuff at all Promoted it on my own Twitter Because it's mine

And I'm saying And everyone on their shows with it And then I'm trying to think back now I guess just like I said Maybe just my outward opinion that weren't necessarily aligned with the company that were just mine, but I wasn't doing that on company time. I was doing that on my own time on my own channel, which is, I thought-

Did you sign agreement saying that you have to, okay, never. So I was just, I think it was there thinking, like, oh, you're a company guy, and I was like, well, I'm not going to just be that. I'm still, I have a community that values what I say because I'm real with them. I'm going to keep doing that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm not conforming for nobody.

And I get where that can be a little bit of an issue, but anyway, it kind of hit me like a brick wall, so I'm in the middle of it. KSI says that and then the promoter says what? He says fuck you what you stand for? Yeah on Twitter he kind of tweeted it out and I was like okay didn't know this is where we're going and he'll say now and he since apologizing like that was a little bit of an outburst but at the time I'm going through it and the community on social media

stood up for your boy like even KSI's community was like oh this is too far and then I got fired publicly by them too as well they were like go have fun on kingpin, which was kind of the meme that came out of that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're never getting paid there. No, well, I was supposed to make a lot more money that I did make over there, but whatever, bro. But yeah, long story short, that was where I'd seen, you know, the good side of social media, like the support that I never thought. I was like, whoa, this is crazy. You know what I'm saying? And then I'd also seen the other side of it where as time goes on, you know, the fandom will flip-flop from time to time. And if I am consistent with

what I say, regardless if it's within the narrative or not, if I'm opinionated still and they don't like it, there are going to be times where that pushback happens. And that's, I've seen that as well. So I would say those two instances I've seen social media be really friendly and also really not. Do you like it? Yeah. I think, I think it's a good way to highlight consistency, if that makes sense like yeah regardless in the face of whatever if you can stand on on tent toes and be yourself in those moments i think it shines through so yeah well i also think that's what makes creators successful yeah that that literal concept yeah being yourself is the biggest thing because like i get asked all the time i've talked about this playing times when people how do you be successful at this

and at that it's like dude everyone's doing it right because everyone says oh everyone does it's so saturated and it is especially at this point yeah um the only way to really truly be successful in any industry at anything is like put your true genuine spin on it and keep it consistent have to and the thing is too like I also understand now if it would have been handled a different way I can understand where they were coming from and they did the promoter did tell me you know a couple different times like hey you can't be saying these things and I'm like I can't not say these things you know what I'm saying why was he justifying you not being able to say the things though I think because it in his mind probably he was like oh it's bad for business and I'm like I'm not

going to to toot my own horn, I'm just a commentator, but I think the numbers that I bring you guys and the conversations that I bring about what your fights are doing create far more business than any damage I could do by having an opinion that isn't misfits, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, it's also lame, like, what do you want to, you're going to be a part of something where you can only say like this side's right every single time? Again, I think it was just like, I don't think they want to be like, yeah, everything there, but again, it was just, I think being in that environment, they wanted a misfits guy. Yeah, but I feel like the job of any commentator is to be unbiased as much as you can.

I mean, that's what I try to do, you know what I mean? But you're dealing with influencer boxing and any sport that I guess has some sort of invested interest like that. There's going to be some emotion there. But what I will say is since that time, I've had a pretty decent relationship with the promoter. And while I can understand where they were coming from, I still maybe don't understand why I had to be ousted, they're doing their thing.

I'm doing mine. Fair play to them. And I think they're doing a great job. Like you saw the event. It was fantastic. So now you work with Jake Paul's company. Yeah, I'm with the zone still, but they have a partnership with most valuable promotions and most valuable prospects. And I do some commentary on that.

It's like Jake has the up-and-coming pro boxers, not necessarily influencer, but legitimate up-and-com becoming potential world champion boxers on there. And I do, I'm actually October 27th. I'm going back and doing that for them. So I've done, they've done four shows this year. I've done all four of them. Where is that event at? They're down in Orlando.

Me, Pauley Malinaghi, which is dope to work with Pauley Malinaji, legend in the sport of boxing two-time world champ. And Dan Kenobi, shout out Dan. We're going to be doing some stuff at the, it's the Kareb Rao Hotel. So this is like legit boxing. Yeah, world champion kind of level boxing. I mean, I called the Nate Diaz Jake fight as well. So I'm curious, the Jake is, I mean, this company, most valuable promotions,

obviously it's not just Jake, there's other people involved. Yep, yep, yep. and that's like his promotional aspect of his business. It's his promotional, he's like the co-founder, him, and I'm not sure the other co-founder wants to be named, but. And they're focusing on, I'm assuming they have a relationship with the PFL involved in that as well. Yeah, and then a relationship with the boxing.

Yep, so he has his hand kind of in different parts of combat. Smart guy, super smart. Yep. I always find it funny, too, when, like, he'll, like, shit on Dana White and fighters pay and all this kind of stuff. I'm with him on it, though, man. Are you? I'm with him on it.

But he also does it in a, because it's also, it's also a grab. Oh, of course. He's taking advantage of... Dan is the guy. UFC's the sport. And it's like, oh, let me leverage and talk about that. And like, so I could... We're doing this here, type thing. Which, I mean, it's, I guess that's the fucking world.

To be fair, Jake was doing that before he was with PFO. He was talking that stuff to Dana like that beforehand. But he was also building that company still then. He was also still trying to be like, I'm sure, hey, let's get some attention on us for what we are doing and what they're not. Right. And I don't even mind that. Like, if you have... And I've seen people be like, well, Jake's not doing it with the right intentions.

He's doing it for this, that. I don't care. Who cares about the intent? As long as it gets fighters more pay, don't care. Yeah. I truly don't. Like the CBA at the UFC is trash. I don't care what people say about run your company and do it better.

It's trash. 18% of the total bargaining for fighters is garbage. What do you think it should be? At least somewhere up in the 30s. Like I understand not being a 50-50 split. I get that. Yeah. Because you're not a traditional league.

It's a little bit more individual. And again, fighters have to earn that right to be paid a certain threshold. I get all that, but starting minimum fighter pay could easily be around that. Jake said 50K could easily be around that. Use the contender series as a way to vet who you want in the UFC. Do you think it's going to change at all? No, not until the UFC fighters unionize, and that's probably not going to happen for a long time. What could make that happen?

Guys stop acting like individuals and come together. Oh, that's not going to happen. Yeah, it's not going to happen. It's like, it's like dudes that you have to potentially go in and fight. working with you in a bunch of egos in one sport whereas football and basketball you're competing during the season

but in the off season you're it's you guys, you're the players coming together versus the man you know what I'm saying so different sport. Yeah, that's so and that's damn so like boxing did it with the Ali Act

the US government got involved so it's like you had a third party to kind of help with the Ali Act so it's like that helps a lot but at the same time boxing still had to come together fighter still had to come together have a face to represent

I think no one wants to be that face for the UFC to say I'm going to step up against Dana White especially in the UFC you do that and all of a sudden those big fights ain't coming your way probably right like if Connor McGregor steps up he could do it because he's such a big face and because he doesn't need it

anymore but if he does then you know he's probably not getting another fight against Mike Chandler and all this and yeah so fuck it's crazy how that works damn you got one guy at the top, it's, you know, how's it going to be? I mean, there is also something to say about the, I mean, the platform itself is also so massive

that it does, it does add a lot of benefit that wouldn't necessarily be included in the fighters pay. And I know there's fighters who, I don't know how many, because I don't know the details of this, but there are fighters who are able to leverage the popularity that they do receive from the UFC to get money that is not through the UFC. So there is, there is, like some, you know, for Dana's, I don't know, argument, I actually want to talk to him about this I'd love to interview them, but there are, there are like those sort of intangibles that become tangible because of the actual. And I have nothing, like, I have nothing against those guys that are go getters that are going to do it. And Dana pointing those guys out as the guys would be like, look, you can do it, of course, but not everyone as a baseline is going to have that, right?

And that's the problem is like you're dealing with the stars of the industry. You can be a star. Not everyone's Rhonda Rousey. Not everyone's kind of McGregor. you know not everyone can fake it till they make it with the outside of the cage stuff there's there's few examples of guys being able to get over by just fighting george st pierre habib you know those guys can get over but there are some guys that are fantastic best in the world fighters that aren't going to draw a dime

they just need you learn how to use social media no one cares you know what I'm saying and that's that's a hard truth but you could be out here smoking everyone but until you get to that boom title fight whatever you could be making you know i don't want to say pennies but you can be making far less than you maybe should be i see for the level of fighter you are you know what i'm saying just because that pay-per-view money ain't coming in or maybe you're not the draw and the only way for the changes is someone's got to step up and do it yeah yeah someone's got to take that that hit and no one it's like any industry though right your pioneers aren't the ones that are going to be the ones benefiting

from that first step they're the ones that create the motion and everybody else benefits from it that's the tough bar who wants to be the one that takes the hit yeah then everyone benefits from it Yeah. Fuck, dude. Yeah, man. So, would you ever do any like fighting? I think so. I feel very disrespectful saying, I want to fight you.

Or this would be the guy I would, you know, fight whatever when I'm not training and I'm not doing it. I feel like it's very disrespectful to other influencers that are doing it. Yeah. To be like, oh, let me just pick and choose who I want to fight. I'm a commentator dog. At the end of the day, like, I would do it. But I feel like my place is. Boxing.

boxing dog i'm not no shot i'm getting this is what i said i'm smart enough to know maybe a little too smart to be like yeah let me go in and just you know i'm saying moitai whatever no dude way too much risk there for me way too much i want to be able to to still have this this right now it's not because my voice is dead but the vocal box to go in and call some of the greatest fights ever that's what i want to do but i wouldn't be opposed to it if the right situation came down the line for yeah yeah so so evolution of what you're doing and how you do with like the commentating in that space in general yeah who's the best at it right now man that's a who's the most popular one well the best in the game right now in my opinion um besides joe rogan obviously rogan rogan's uh so

there's different positions right yeah rogan rogan's the color commentary guy in other words he adds color to the broadcast like if say if you and i are doing a broadcast and i'm welcome in folks tonight we have a great night of fights let me send it to my you know whoever's with me You'd be the color guy. I'd be leading the broadcasts the play-by-play. The play-by-play best guy in the world right now. See, I'm going to make enemies, dude.

Yeah, because I got friends in the industry. Shout out, Todd Grisham, shout out. You know, everybody I've worked with. You got to be on Bias here. It's John Anick. He's the best. The guy for the UFC, he's the best. Fantastic.

Seameless in-and-out production, leads the broadcast, throws the freaking alley-oops for Joe and D.C. And everybody to don't questions on. You know, he's the best. But as far as color commentary, I would say Joe's up there, of course. Paul Felder, solid on the boxing side. So what makes color of color?

The guy who's like, oh, my God, like that guy? You need that. You got to have some emotion. And that's where Joe excels, you know. But it's also adding very important points that an audience that isn't maybe as well versed as you are can understand. It's almost, I hate saying the word dumbing down because that's not what you do. I see what you're saying. But you have to have some way of translating what's happening that's very complex into layman's terms.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely. And that's where I think I would love to do it. The problem is those spots are diminishing. The Joe Rogans are fading away because fighters are now taking those roles and who more accurate than a fighter to comment on what's happening currently in a fight

if you have the ability. And I would love to do that, but more likely I'd probably go into the play-by-play side of things. And so how do you think you, like, evolve, or you just keep doing what you're doing in your landing girl, you're like... I'm trying to, man. Or do you want to, like, get picked up by?

Oh, yeah, for sure, at some point. I would love, and here I am talking, again, this is the problem that we talked about with me and misfits, me talking so openly about issues that against massive companies like the UFC or anybody else is probably going to hinder that, you know? Just like me talking openly about the KSI Tommy fight and how I think it's, you know, this or that. Yeah, but dude, I feel like the world's getting to a point where, like,

yes and no, like I feel like people are really gravitating towards just like, genuine no bullshit. I would hope so. Because there's been so much bullshit for so long and so much sugarcoat. I feel like in general even in the content space

I work with some of these fucking streamers who just say the most outlandish crazy shit. But those streamers don't got to show up at ESPN on Monday morning. True, true, true.

But I feel like overall the world, at least the world is what they're wanting it's just more like just truthful shit. 100%. There's just so much bullshit. You're seeing the turn on YouTube right now.

100%. People are, And there's an argument to be made that digital media should embrace it more because you're seeing guys like Pat Mac if he take over ESPN right now for, and I don't know how many people are into that kind of the side, but he's running his YouTube show

on the 10 to 1 slot on ESPN. That was the money slot. He's in a tank top talking about Mr. Pfizer with Aaron Rogers on ESPN. You wouldn't mean digital should embrace it because digital is doing it. Well, what do you mean? Now, but social media and YouTube

for a long time has been no bullshit. We can curse. We can just speak our own mind. You know, currently we don't have to get in the suit and have our little slot. We can talk about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. And people, like you said, rock with that. Yeah.

For the longest time, ESPN, a Disney company, has been very, I guess, conservative on allowing those type of things to happen, whether it's just cursing or having someone that's just a, you know, a little bit more of an opinionated person that's more free thinking and not company guy. that's starting to open up more and more and more. Like Pat McAfee, I think,

open the door for everybody. So you're saying that you're seeing mainstream is starting to open that door and more? A little bit. Well, that's what I mean. That's my whole point. A little bit, but at the same time, the fight game is still, I think,

a little slow to catch up. Boxing especially, very much suit up, like suit and tie, you know, Marcus of Queensberry rules, the old-fashioned proper boxing is going to catch up a little longer. But Pat, doing it, does leave the door open for like if he opens the door i want to run through that

motherfucker that type of deal you know what i'm saying so my goal to answer your question would be do fucking everything if that makes sense like it it doesn't seem very possible but i want to work in the ufc i want to be that next joe rogan i want to work pro boxing i want to work pro football i played i played football for 17 years yeah people think i talk about boxing football's my shit i just don't talk about it too much because i fell in love with mima and boxing well wasn't that kind of of your ideals then because like wouldn't you want to talk about more of the things that you you're it was just i got so i got so into the sport that i just started talking about it more and more and got away from the football stuff because i played it so long and i was like but now i'm

coming back into it and falling back in love with it again yeah so i do want all my my by the way breakdown yeah me and face ins i would do that so so how uh how do you or how would you say like someone who's up and coming and who's like interested in this would would become this or how are they interested in boxing commentating commentating um like what you do a non-traditional route so it's possible you know like a lot of people want to go get the journalism degree they want to go get the they want to go write for like a you know a newspaper a website for a couple of years and potentially do it that way um but you got to cut your teeth man you have to like I was fortunate enough to cut my teeth in front of 10,000 people it was my first comment

I think was in front of 10,000 people. Fuck. Yeah, dude. I don't know if you ever heard of Creator Clash. Yeah, yeah. That was the one, my first one. Scared me to death. I had to take a high noon and pop it and throw it back before I got out of it.

Just to get it down, you know what I'm saying? And it wasn't like real boxing where people are periodically showing up, 10,000 for the first fight. Going crazy. Yeah. Scared the shit out of me. But we did it. But you have to cut your teeth. You have to, it's just like any, like any in the gym or anything else.

You have to get your reps. You have to grow steadily. and refine your craft. But if you want to do it the way I do it, start a YouTube channel, get your thoughts out there, cut your teeth by practicing on camera, that you're literally practicing while you're playing. You know what I'm saying? Every video is a chance to get better.

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then you might, your eyes are going to be too much light in them like me. Let's get back into the pod. So what was the biggest moment for you that helped you catch steam then? Was it just the whole, like? I would say on the commentary side, it was Creator Clash for sure. Okay. The fact that I did well and I was my first gig and I was doing play by play in my first gig uh beside face sense and and another massive YouTuber that's how misfits

got the look they were like ooh this guy does he knows his shit or whatever whatever they saw him he took it to de zone de zone said yep we'll bring him on what kind of salaries is that from like that like to say it um so i what didn't make a thing to do crater clash i did that pro bono it was it was a it was a charity event and i said i honestly was not going to do it and then my boy phase sense who's now my podcast host was like, nah, let's do it. It's going to be a good thing. Trust, it's going to do well.

So I did that one free. And I worked a lot of my life for free. NBA Summer League, free. Three weeks of work, go do it, whatever. So I knew about the value of doing things for free to then have some sort of resume. Yeah, resume, build from it. There was another show called ShowStar

that I was going to do for free, commentate it, whatever. Did all the buildup on my YouTube channel? And then I ended up getting a blood clot, but, um... You got a blood clot? Yeah, bro, a long story. I got ankle surgery in from the ankle surgery. I got the blood clot, but had to then,

my blood thinners for seven, eight months, still dealing with issues from it. But, uh, then misfits, and I guess I don't mind talking openly about it now, um, my contract with the zone was $4,000 per commentary. Um, and then obviously they pay for, you know, flight accommodations as well. And again, I'm not thinking, like a YouTuber.

I don't care about, you could pay me 1,500 due commentary because I'm going to make a, I'm going to make my content. Don't tell them that. Well, no, I mean, at the time, at the time. Now, you know what I'm saying? That fee going up a little bit. Yeah, what the fuck? Now we've done too many in front of too many people now, you know what I'm saying?

You got to hit the line. But no, at the time, I didn't, it wasn't about the money and it really still isn't because my YouTube, I get a chance to grow it by doing these things. Yeah. I pay for my cameraman to come out. Fuck it. Get on the plane with me. We're making content all week.

I'm doing five, six videos on the main channel. I'm doing three, four videos. What are they, like, interview style? Like, are you talking to people? I try to switch it up. We do like a travel vlog style where I'm walking around the city that we're going to have the fights

in talking about the fights. Yeah. I started doing the face-to-faces on my own channel. Now they do them on their misfits channel. Before that ever existed, it was me doing the face-to-face for some of the fighters. And I was pushing them. I was like, please, let me do the face-to-to-faces.

please, please. And again, we were in the wild wild west. Oh, so you're saying they stole your shit? I'm not saying they stole your shit. That's what it's like. I'm saying that I think I had an impact on showing what could be done. Professional. Professional. I like that. If you lean into the social media side, right? Because you're working with his own who at the time doesn't necessarily maybe get it yet because they just started this agreement with misfits. They're just the first foray into influencer boxing is a five-year commitment. They did a five-year contract. Yeah. So if they're figuring out as they go. But I kind of had the ideas of being like, okay, this is what you can do.

And if they happen to catch on with that and- Face-to-face is our fucking great. They're amazing. That's like the best thing. Yes, dude. So I was doing that. Some interviews and then just some breakdowns, like the open workout would happen. I talk about it right after on my channel.

I'll be like, oh, this is my first point of view from being on stage. This is what went down. When Dylan, the first time, came in and threw that coffee at KSI, I was the guy he actually hit. because I'm the one separating it. You got a little Call of Duty collateral. It smacked off me and hit KSI. And I'm sitting there with coffee all over my sweater doing my video.

You just misfired on you or what? So what happened was I'm, this is what they, and listen, I'm not going to say I'm the guy for it, but they do need a presence in there more. You know how Logan got the freaking microphone off his face? Yeah.

They needed somebody in the middle that's going to be able to, hey, whoa, stop. And fair play to Ariel, I wouldn't have, I don't blame him getting out of there. You know, Air Hohan got out of there. But I'm, instinctually, I try to step in

and make sure no one gets hurt, you know, because in my mind, it's about the show. Fucking hurt me, cool, whatever. Yeah. But don't hurt each other because the show's got to go on. So I stepped in when KSI and Dylan were going in. I stepped in front of KSI. Doom, coffee off my head.

I stepped in front of Greg Hardy and Hassim Rockman, Jr. For some reason, don't know why I did that. I was trying to get between Greg Hardy, who's a 300-pound man. And it was like me trying to push this wall. More than 260, bro. Dude. Yeah, you ain't.

guy, you ain't got a shot with that guy. No, I'm fucked, you know what I'm saying? 260, 21, I'm done. Done, dog. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's 290, all pro defensive end. The motherfucker's killing you. Watch out, bro. Yeah, it was like me trying to push a wall.

I was like, what am I doing? He just tossed me aside like a baby. I was like, all right, well. But yeah, dude, that's, uh, that's, like I said, I don't mind talking about it publicly, but I always looked at the, the, the commentary stuff as an opportunity to grow the YouTube and to show my skills on commentary. So it wasn't a money thing with me. So you really loved its commentary shit.

Love it. Yeah. Love every bit of it. I love being able to put in words what people feel in moments of history. I look at it that way anyway. Yeah. Because you... Why do you care so much about that?

I don't know. I think there's a portion of it, and it's funny that I'm saying this now, because KSai's made a big, big thing about legacy. For me, I've always wanted to be remembered as something. I come from a family of, you know, welders, essentially. in East Tennessee that allow me to do what I do, but my dad grew up in the town he was born in.

He's going to die in that town. My mom obviously is the same kind of way. She grew up, worked as a welder, then went back to school, got her degree. Fuck. Yeah, she's a beast, man. And my mom's my biggest fan, but I always wanted our family name to mean something.

You know, my last name, I want it to mean something. I want at one point to be remembered, even if it's not me, my voice to be attached to something that lives on, you know? Well, what do you think made you feel that way, though? Because if you weren't, you didn't grow up in a circumstance where there was, I think that failure was something that I shouldn't say it that way, but honestly, it's something I grew up in.

I remember like Sunday mornings, or no, Monday mornings when I would have to go to school, my dad would have to go to his welding shift at like 4 a.m. And I remember, I'm kind of a light sleeper and I started to get on a schedule. I would wake up right when he would wake up and I'd sit and watch into, his room while he turned on his bed and sat there and just gave that little like two or three second kind of like realization that he got to go do a job he fucking hates you know I'm saying every day but still he's got four kids and he just takes that starts lacing up his boots and getting ready to go and I watch that every single day from like six to 13 or 14 whenever

I started to drive or 15 and it made me scared to death of being that guy and also respected him for doing it right yeah like i'm going to make sure that when you did that i won't have to for mine and hopefully i can give back to you for doing it you know what i'm saying yeah well that's that should be the goal i think just because like that's obviously like you said that sacrifice yeah he had a sacrifice for you guys they didn't have a choice yeah um specifically when you have that many kids and like you're so locked into what you're doing but i i respect the fuck out of that man because like yeah i can relate not in that way directly obviously i grew up without a father but is like I saw people doing the same like in a town they just grow up and they live

and they die then that's just a psych I was like oh I just don't want this not enough for me it just wasn't enough you know and and I watched my mom take odd job after odd job was a vets assistant was a welder cleaned people's houses like some clean some of my school teacher's houses and I knew at the time I didn't think about it being like an embarrassing thing like whatever but I knew my mom didn't want to be doing that yeah like going and cleaning the toilets of the people that were teaching me in school and it was one of those things where i was like having a blast cool i get to go to the teacher's house whatever and i would have to go with her i remember having to go with her to school as a 27 year old woman she would drive me and my brother would sit in the car while she went

to class we're sitting there again we're young we don't know what the fuck you know we're playing toys but she's doing all that so we don't have to yeah so bro that if i can be remembered on the big scale amazing but more so if i can have a legacy for for my name and my kids to not ever have to go back to that that's all i want man yeah that's fucking i was so so what what do you think allowed you to to to step out of that like what gave you the car i mean obviously you saw that you grew up and i you said you knew you didn't want it for yourself but it's hard for most people most people see it they realize it but the fear of like stepping out of the norm yeah is holding them there because a lot of people listen to this will probably think like well i want to do

this or i want to do that yeah but but but but and those kind of just regurgitate these reasons why they can't do it because of the circumstances they're in. Yeah. What, what, what, what do you think allowed that to be different for you? I think work ethic got instilled in me pretty quickly. Um, it was one of those do what I say, not I do, like not what I do. My dad was always so tired from his job that, and, you know, my mom always had two or three jobs that they couldn't spend a lot of time, you know, doing the things with me that I wanted to do. Like, oh, come play outside. Dad, let's go, let's go, like, do that. He would, I had brothers. So luckily, we all played together. But,

it wasn't like one of those things where he could do those things actively, but it was always, this is what you're going to be doing. I'm going to drive the car behind you while you're running miles to get ready. It was a lot of football, training, you know, physical. That instilled a lot of work ethic in me. And then my mom, watching her struggle and watching my dad struggle, it was that fear of failure for me. I didn't care about fearing, you know, stepping out because I didn't want to fail.

You didn't want to be in the same position. I felt like you had to fail. I didn't want, I wanted all the stuff that I'd been told as a kid in as a high school or man wade's got so much potential there's potential potential i didn't want to just be potential yeah i wanted to succeed on some level so it sounded like that in combination with the work ethic involved in sports is what kind of allowed you to feel like i can fucking do it yeah dude i worked for like i was telling you a second ago i was in orange county for i moved out when i was 20 i was in orange county just smack in my head it was literally like smacking my head

against that wall for seven years trying to figure it out because i didn't have my degree and then i went here I am this failure I think I didn't want to be in my life here how are you getting by I was working two jobs I was working 24 hour fitnesses they got them all over the place you know I worked at 24 when I lived in Orange County

too yeah bro so I was working back when I was 21 yes dude I was working as a uh the little front desk attendant you know he move up the little operations side yeah I was a trainer okay I was better than you he was way better than you yeah yeah you actually had this better than you know but that's

you know you know you know you know you know you know No, because you worked the company, how the monetization works over. Oh, bro, I can't tell you how many times, like, I literally, I, I didn't technically get fired. I got asked to leave that gym, 24-hour fitness and Lemon. Anyone in the 91 in Lemon, if anyone knows, it's in Anaheim. Yeah. Because I was so good at training and selling training, but I refused to keep selling to people who already purchased. Yeah.

Because I knew what it was. It was like, oh, like Christmas time, get more said, because they wanted to get these like, They wanted to get these sales done in a certain time so that the, like the fitness manager and the GM of the gym could get like a benefit. Yeah, they're bonus in off of it. So I'm like, no, like I'm not, I'm going to do the work because I know that the work is good. And what they get from it, they're going to resign when it's right for them to resign, not just because you want to hit a quota. Right, right. And I remember having arguments with this fucking, this guy's name of the time was Chris Long or the GM. And Josh Graves was the fitness manager. I remember, I'll never forget these people.

And they were just like, no, more, more and more. And I'm like, why? Yeah. And I remember I got to the point where they're like, well, you could either like basically quit or get fired. Yeah. I was like, fuck this shit. Fuck you guys. I don't train these people by myself at a fucking at a fucking park. Yeah. But I just didn't like that that mentality of like, you'll force these sales. Right. Right. And obviously, you know, I've written so much since then. But I think that holding like yourself to those certain values of like if you're doing the work good and you're doing like and they're like getting from it. Yep. Then you don't have to sell someone something. They're going to want to buy it. facts but i i desperately hate it working for those companies bro i was doing so i was doing that and i was

doing the graveyard shift so 10 p.m to 6 a.m dog holy and no one i don't know what what gym was it it's down well at the time it was still a sport now it's an active it's in uh rancho centa margarita so it's way further south like past irvine a very oh yeah he worked he worked at the gym you're talking about two people in the gym from 10 to six and and one of them's a weirdo no offense but there's one of them that's like you know what I'm saying just walking around the gym with doing 100% you know what I'm saying you got to be like switched on you're checking the sanas to make sure no weird stuff's going on in there you know what I'm saying have a fucking knife on you ready yeah bro so I was doing that and then so here's how my day would go I would wake up and I used to

to work at a golf club near that place as one of the golf carton and club cleaners yeah dude I'm in the no no offense but the not the skilled labor like you're just working hard like you don't have to have a degree to do this type of work because I didn't have one so i'm i'm you know doing these cart cleanings people around that area got a lot of money but they're not necessarily nicest yeah i was like i'll clean this whatever doing that get off that job at like you know seven go home for like an hour eat whatever boom graveyard shift five days a week running it fuck so then i get a lucky break like i said with what happened but that i was doing that for for a couple of years then finally uh started actually training um went and got my nassum certification

at the time. Nice. I didn't do it with 24 because, like you said, I started training at-risk kids in Orange County. How'd you get involved in that? It was crazy. It was one of those Indeed, you know, posts that the guy had, and I was on Indeed every day just trying to get out of this situation.

I'm like, trying to make money. Trying to make money. Trying to get back to the, you know, graveyard shift, whatever. Respect. Guy was like, yo, I'm looking for a trainer certified that can work with kids. I have this, you know, opportunity. And so I met the guy and he goes, hey, you know, what we do, I'm not going to name the company,

but what we do is we work with kids that are at risk, self-harm issues, you know, attitude issues, drug issues, alcohol, whatever, addiction issues. And we try to rehabilitate and then, you know, they'll come from all over the country to come here and do this. And I started working with them. And you know what was crazy? All the, like almost, I would say 95% of the kids that had addiction issues, you know, da-da-da-da, family issues.

Yeah. Wasn't anything wrong with the kids themselves? self-esteem family attention frustrating stuff like that and it was crazy through training watching them through physical fitness through just doing accomplishing something how their mindset would switch

I would have kids I would come in they would want to fight me before we started training like fuck this guy this fucking trainer bullshit I'm going inside I'm not doing nothing like all right well we'll be out here man week after week he'd start poking his head out because people are kids are having fun

I'm making it fun for them they're training they're getting stronger faster I'm doing this, I'm hitting PRs, whatever. I was like, well, all right, I'll try it. But I ain't doing it for more than 10 minutes. I'm going in, you know what I'm saying? 10 minutes in. Great job, so-and-so, let's go.

You know what I'm saying? Perfect for them. That's what I like. And kids just leave the program in such a better mind state that they're just normal kids. You don't really don't understand. I'll never understand how like this sort of, um, people encourage working out.

People encourage like fitness and all this stuff. But like, I don't understand why it's not just like a, a thing that like people like have to do right like for in that that younger generation like why why is that not some sort of like mandated thing yeah because it's so fucking essential i believe to like like in this situation right those kids clearly didn't want to do because they were like fuck you my life's like this fuck you you don't know shit you don't know me yeah and and i can fully i can i can i can speak directly from a place where i felt certain ways about my life and where was that and as soon as i found the gym my whole life was better yeah like in not right away

but like my ability to like just deal with things like yeah right away it was like i'm avoiding shit but the gym was my avoidance but it gave me like you said it gave me something to feel like oh i have these like little achievements yep that before that i didn't have anything that made me feel good so it's like why why are we not really encouraging this to like this degree here in this in the states it just seems like we don't i don't know man it's like it's crazy too because there was a switch at some point because you look and and you can go back to the 5060s at that time frame like the the physical gym like requirements for just schools kids were in shape it wasn't like you're doing like fucking back squats and hack squats and you know yeah you have pushups and run up situps running

pull-ups the shit's essential shape yeah you know what I'm saying yoke ready to go and then they just quit and they're like fuck it pharmaceuticals pretty much man I have I mean I don't know how much time we have I have a story about my whole blood class situation with pharmaceuticals that I might as well tell people this is probably the biggest platform I was really i thought i had some kind of infection i was freaking out because i'd had this blood clot after surgery go through all that would scare the fuck out of me bro because that shit could kill you could kill you yeah i noticed it like the day it happened and the doctor was like you don't have a blood clot how would you know how'd you would you mean i was laying in bed so first off it's my own

fault i was editing by the way this is again that mindset i go through i'm i'm hard work over everything you know i'm listening to this you know what i'm saying jacob's editing you know what i'm saying like i didn't want to entrust editing to anybody this is my channel. I know how I speak. I'm going to make sure that everything's perfect. I'll be editing sometimes six to eight hours a day. We got to get Jacob the late compression things or what? What's going on here? So what happened was I was I was like, I can't take time off work because I'm in the middle of this influencer boxing. Everything's going crazy. Fuck it. I'm going to put my boot on that they give you after surgery. Crank that bitch so that it's got some compression

on it and just sit there at my desk. Do my little calf phrases. Shit wasn't enough. I was sitting there for six hours a day with that blood just pooling there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Not elevating it, not making sure that there was adequate blood flow. probably not hydrated. So you had an injury? I had injury, lateral ligament tear in my ankle, had surgery,

then was in the boot. Just stagnant. Just stagnant. Oh, okay. Super, like I knew better. It was just, yeah,

you fucked up. Fucked up. So after the blood clot, I'm on these blood thinners for six to eight months, and then I started getting these random muscle fasciculations and pain.

And I'm like, what is going on with me? And so I go, faciculation is like, just like twitching in the muscles. Cool. And I'm like, man,

is there something going on, like whatever. Then I started having some issues that I thought, could have been, you know, I don't know, infection. Like I was starting to have, like, coming down with coughs a lot and some digestive issues. And it turns out it was more probably from the blood clots than anything else and just being

inactive. Go to the doctor. Here's syprofloxasin. Sure, take that for 30 days. I was like, and even me, I know myself. I'm like, are you, I don't know, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Take an antibiotic for 30 days. Bro.

Doc's like, no, yeah. Go ahead. Take it for 30 days. muscle fasciculations get worse. I'm talking to the point where I'm like sitting here and it's my whole calf is, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So ended up, you know, I ended up taking care of it after, but that's the craziest thing to me is watching how easy and liberal doctors are with these antibiotics and pharmaceuticals and too. Over prescription, everything.

I looked at the bottle afterward and it was like, had a black box label on it. Like potential to, cause weakness of tendons, potential to have lifelong, you know, issues of this, that, and the other, I'm like, it's like when you watch the commercial for these medicines for antidepressants, it's like, oh, side effects may include depression. I'm like, what? Suicidal attempts. Yeah, suicidal thoughts. And I'm like, Jesus, this is worse than the person's. Yeah, I mean,

it's just a, it's a fucking weird world, man. Like this, this industry is just, pharmaceutical industry and the medicine and how it's prescribed to people is just dude there's nothing like okay obviously there's some things where these things are actually really necessary and super beneficial yeah yeah yeah but in the grand scheme of things is like most issues can be alleviated with like proper nutrition proper exercise and consistency with those things yeah like period it's so crazy how i'm i'm now learning that more more as I become an adult, whereas, like, as a kid, it's like, like, you said, it's almost standardized. Like, this is the process. Pharmaceutical, rest, whatever. Take this pill.

Take this pill. Relie on this shit. And then rely on that shit. And this shit, because you took that and now you got to do this. It's like a fucking chain of fucking money, dude. Yeah, dude. Follow the money, man. It's crazy. Fall the money. And it's just, it's sad, honestly, because it's just like people's lives just get, you know, ruined. Can be. Yeah. Fucked up, man. It's fucking crazy. But, um, bro it was a pleasure to talk to you you're fucking you're crushing it and uh yeah i thank you for coming on such short notice

we had to talk i wanted to talk about this fight with some of yes you know was gonna have like some good input on it because i'm not a fucking professional commentator i just talk a lot of shit on the internet dude you know sometimes that's all of us though and i will say as we as we hit lead off or as like as we get out of here influencer boxing is in a space now where we have a real opportunity to either cement ourselves or again what we saw with the Logan and Dylan fight

get looked at as a joke and it's all you got to come down to is try if you're going to step into this scene just try don't do it just for a bag take this shit serious or it's going to go away straight up damn sure

straight up yeah because like when it's not you know Logan or Jake or one of these other big names doing it if it doesn't have that like some sort of like legitimacy in it people are going to be like this shit's fucking boring that's another point too is like the next wave who is it gonna be

yeah these guys aren't gonna fight forever so yeah someone's gonna have to step up but maybe they have to be 260 plus and yeah I'm saying let's go M&A let's do it dude I'm gonna get him in gloves don't worry we'll figure it out fucking gloves man I want I just want hands just a little little tiny piece that is a fucking malice you got so you could so you could really so you could really feel it you know this guy's a psycho listen at him smiling so you can feel that yeah i like it's like really feel pain yeah yeah anyways subscribe to the channel every tuesday 11 am i appreciate you thank you for coming on man that was fucking awesome um and and i wish you much much more success for sure thank thank thank you cool

that was awesome boom yeah you're well spoken thanks brother you're fucking comment