RAWTALK - Whitney Cummings Talks Sex Robots, Semen Retention & Feminists

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with Whitney Cummings & Chris Cole and talk skateboard culture, stem cells, ancestral trauma and much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: TRANSCEND Use code "RAWTALK" for 15% OFF https://www.Transcendcompany.com/rawtalk

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Let's get back into this podcast. It's a Gundam. No. I mean, they have guns. No, the little figuring the head over there, the character. I remember I was putting them together. But you know how we're all adults that vote and have homes? Yeah, no, I don't have a toy collection.

No, I don't. You know who's into that? my nine month old son yes you're not in the toys I mean let's look am I I like choshkis like I'm definitely a hoarder for like nostalgic chotchkis

wait what the fuck are chotchkes am I like what the fuck are I'm kind of obsessed with you okay what are choskeys you know what I notice a lot of your episodes a lot of your episodes start with are we rolling oh yeah we're just always rolling yeah

I know, but it's a funny, is that Magic Mind? Yeah. Are we rolling? I want to cut this out when it's not an ad. No, please don't cut it out. It's not a math. Magic Mind, you owe me like $70,000. No fucking way.

Magic Mind bought time on my podcast. I do a great ad. I pride myself on really like delivering on the ads. I'm not like Burke Kreischer or Andrew Santino or Bobby Lee or Tom Seguer or any of these weirdos, millionaires that are just like, anyway, so brought to you by Bluetooth, betterhelp.com, but, bad about mispronouncing half of the things, right? Magic Mind, I deliver, I drink it for a week to make sure that I'm not full of shit. And I'm actually like, this stuff actually works.

And then they pull the clip and then they run it as an ad. Well, so why didn't they didn't pay you? No, they just ran it as an ad. And then, oh, and then my pot ad salesperson, I was like, yeah, they can't. Someone was like, oh, you got a campaign with Magic Mind? That's crazy. I'm like, what? No.

But did they pay you for the original spot? The original spot. But then they pulled it and started using it. You didn't know you were using an ad. Yeah, yeah, you can't do that. I mean. But sometimes you can agree to that. I didn't.

Oh, wow. Yeah, they definitely did not. My price for that is very different. And if you were going to do that, let's negotiate it. And I'll make one that's custom for that. They just pulled one from my podcast. Yeah. It was just like, anyway, it was sketchy.

It was shady. And where am I going with this? Oh, and then my pod producer was like, yeah, you can't do that. Like, whatever. And they're like, we're so sorry. You know, you know. know when someone's guilty the way that they're unctuous and how they apologize. Like if they had been like, wait, what?

I thought we could do this. I'd be like, oh, I guess you're right. So they did that behind your back. But yeah, they were like, we're so sorry. We're so sorry. That's how you know they're guilty of something sketchy, right? Yeah. And then I was like, great.

Like, do you guys want to pay me for it or something? And in the email, they just went, we would like to offer her a free box of magic on us. Whoa. Magic Mind directly said that or the? Magic Mind directly, yeah. They were like, we'll send her a free buck. I'm like, I'm good.

Damn. Thanks. Anyway, promo code Bradley. What's this, what's this called? Promocode raw dog. Raw dog, no. No. Raw talk.

Raw talk. Oh. Okay. Raw dog works too. It's fine. Babe, if you're going to talk, you do have to be near microphone. Oh, you're funny, though. You should get in here.

I know. Why don't you just sit there? Yeah. If you have something to say, humorous. You can just talk in the mic. Come on. Because you're ruining old Texas's life over here because he'll to edit you out.

Okay, he's iPad guy over there. And everyone's going to be like, Whitney Cummings is such a Bulldike ball buster. She makes her boyfriend sit in the corner and doesn't even let him speak. He's a legend. Hold on here. He's been together.

Let's say it at the same time and see if we have the same. Holy shit. Wait, come over here. Holy shit, this is great. Yeah, sit down. I feel like I'm the fence for that question. You know, like, oh, God.

You know when you ask a couple how long they've been together, one person says eight months, one person says four years you're like wait yeah go ahead okay how long have we been together on three or after three on three on three on three one two three eleven months I did that for humor I did it you know what she was going to say no you did it that it really is more technically 11 I round up I guess I should probably not round up it just feels easier yeah we've been He slid into my DMs on Instagram.

Wow. This might be another awkward question, but is the kid his? No. Wow. What's awkward about that? I don't know. Let's be right in the eyes. I just,

not his kid. Yep. Nope. White trash till I die, Bradley. Yeah. Can I ask you something? Yes, of course. What is it?

I have never been hit on more than when I was pregnant. What the fuck? Is it because I can't get pregnant? What is it? Is that a real? Are you genuine? I'm dead serious. I mean, look, a couple of people.

Like, don't do it. whole term like the whole thing the whole well once i was showing you know what i mean tony hinchcliff and brown white were kind of explaining it to me they were their take was you come off so rough and sharp edged uh that it softened you i don't know i think some people are just weirdly into that shit also my ass was giant maybe it was just that yeah i think some people are weird about that what do you mean weird like i know people i know one guy specifically who like that was his thing was trying to bang pregnant women okay but they can't get pregnant He's a genius.

I mean, maybe, or maybe he's just weirdly kind of into that for some reason. There's something so feminine about it. And so, like, that's a woman. It's as woman as a woman can get. Yeah. It's true. Was he more on it when you were pregnant? No, but a friend of ours said,

Eric Weinstein, you know, Eric Weinstein, the great Eric Weinstein. We had dinner with him the other night. He said that the reason why so many people were, like, hitting on her, was because she's out of their, she's out of their league, but they feel like they might be able to get it on sale. Because she's pregnant? What the fuck?

Yeah, like that might be their moment to like hormonal. She might make a mistake. She might make a mistake is great. She has bad judgment. Yeah. She can't run that fast. Holy shit. Yeah.

Damn. So you have other kids though, you said. He's got kids. I do. I have two kids. But let me ask you a question. Why did you ask me to do this? I'm so far.

Because I think you're hilarious. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm very into you. I just felt like I was like I am going to be such a like so useless on this podcast. No, but it's different. It's just like it's not the typical person that I normally.

I mean, I feel like mostly I interview guys. Yeah. Correct. You know? Yes. So it's just nice to have a change. Yeah. I texted Brendan.

I was like, oh, everybody thinks that my kid is Brendan's, by the way. Yeah. So. Crazy. Insane. A blonde hair, blue eyed kid. that the like Hitler's dream. Why did that?

Is that a real thing that people think that? No, just like internet. Got you. Reddit. I don't know. Whatever it is. No, Brendan's just a good friend.

I've no Brendan since before he was even doing stand-up. And I texted him and I was like, is this like a prank? Like, does he just want to have on the only person he can beat in a street fight? I don't know. What did he say? No, he loves you. Yeah.

He's a fan. Okay. And I was like, all right, I'll do it. Yeah. I was like, is this some prank? Am I going to? No, like, why? just because it would be a prank just because of the affiliation that I have with

like the nilk or why would I prank you? Oh no no no no I just mean like in general I was just gonna troll you I don't know wow I don't know because I was sort of like his fan base is like you guys are athletes and yeah yeah high performers and I have no but at the moment I'm working on it nothing yeah whatever I mean you had it when you were pregnant that's right I do want to start coming to your gym though you should where do you train now in my house I have like a little gym in my house I know it's really boring what would you say is the most common mistake people make in the gym besides filming their workouts wow yeah i mean that's the most popular thing now wild it's like it's become like a whole internet culture thing

where people film people and like get mad when people fucking step through their cameras all kinds of weird else though have you noticed that like porn now i mean i haven't like really dug in in a while um but for a while there the trend was gym porn like yoga balls is that for you Is that your kink? I didn't know that. Yoga ball porn. I actually stopped watching porn like almost two years ago now. That's smart.

That's like the fucking worst thing in the world. It's just so toxic, right? Yeah. So wait, I'm so curious. We got to back up. You somehow figured out there was a trend in this space. Yeah, it's like, okay. So like, were you watching porn?

And you're like, wait, I'm noticing a lot more porn like this. So when you're out in the field dating, right, which I'm not doing at the moment. Yeah. You notice like guys doing things. And I'm sure girls do it too. I just don't know where you'll be like, oh, this is like a new thing that's going around. Like four years ago, guys started like,

fish hooking. Fish hooking women? Uh-huh. Oh, like going like that? Uh-huh. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Not saying it's not hot.

I just meet it was like, I was like, this is where this come from, right? Okay. And then, I don't know. I feel like there was like a nostril moment. There was like a nostril moment. A nostril? Hand in the mouth, just hand that just.

Oh, I, okay. Just, is that a choke? Is that he was just worried I was like a both? It's like a both. Talking, you just lose your balance. I'm not sure. And then I, so I'll go, because I'm always talking about the stuff in my stand-up, and I'm always like, you know, I'll go on the dating apps just to see what's going on out there.

And then I'll go see what the most popular porn categories are. Like three years ago, it started being like incest, like stepbrother. Is this how far we've gone as a society? How desensitized we are? Yeah, I thought that was one of the weirdly, I knew that was a weirdly popular one. I think stuck in the dryer was a big one. Yeah, that's a huge one. I feel like, is what's hot about it?

The girl's ass or the fact that she's doing... Probably doing my laundry. That's what I would like about that. I feel like they're both kind of like a joke that like took off. But do you... In a way. Like they're kind of like so silly. Like the step sister, stepbrother thing is weird as shit.

I have, well, because of the taboo. I think that what is taboo is so... We're so far gone about what's taboo at this point. But I also think that the funniness, what really annoys me is when you go to a porn site and there's like sketches there's like comedy sketches and it's like oh you mean like before the board they try to be funny comedy with your i mean i don't think i ever i always kind of skip that part you know and then why why did you quit because it's just fucking it's just not good for

your brain it's not good for it's just that chasing the dopamine as i have so many other things that i chase it out or like trying to get views or you know what making money or trying to do whatever else it's like i don't need more things that are like give me that like sort of release of dopamine that's just like not in a positive manner do you control your sexual urges sort of no i do you control your like you know how fighters don't like jerk off before fights do you do that before podcast you're like no hold it before podcast no i just stopped jerking off around the same time i stopped watching for you yeah that's it was it difficult was it hard sorry Was it hard?

I mean, yeah, it's funny. No, at first, at first it was a little bit hard because, like, you would just have that thought, I'm going to do it because I can. Why not? And then you're eventually, you're just like, say no enough and it's just, it's nothing. And then it's gone completely. It's called, it's a horrible title. It's called Cupid's Poisoned Arrow.

And it is about orgasms and how we're not designed to have them, like on a daily basis, how bad it is for our brains, like the amount of dopamine you're getting, like back in tribal times. you know we were supposed to only have sex when we were like procreating or something like very rarely and that having orgasms as much as we are is just sort of like blowing out our dopamine receptors i think that and just so many things are like that now social media like the response to like getting views or people i mean i guess it's different now because not everyone's making content but like i don't know how when's the last time you went on twitter you go on twitter um i did go on twitter after the debates i tend to go on

when I don't want to really watch something, but I want to see what the reaction is. So I went on after the debates. I went on after the fight the other night. I kind of do go on for news. I think I was so negative with Twitter for so long that I was off it for like three years. But now I've unfollowed all the like weird toxic shit

and that's just where I get my news. Like I only have news feeds on it really. Yeah. It kind of like, I had to do like a cleanse of all my social media of everybody that I followed. Twitter's like the worst for me. It's just like so it's like a mess. massive, like everything's like almost rage bait at this point.

That's right. People will say things just to get people to be like, fucking hate you or you're wrong. It's insane right now. It's right. I mean, I do think it's like I'm obsessed with just like addiction and, you know, I have a very addicted personality for certain things, but I try to find ways to just like be addicted to healthy things. Like you're not going to get rid of your addicted brain, but if there's a way to like

sublimate into something positive. Yeah. So, and I do see, I think that we're going to look back in like 30 years and like the same way that we look at like smoking when we just people smoked inside like on planes we're gonna look back and be like remember we you could just get on Twitter at any time and get your hit of rage because it's people that are addicted to self-righteous indignation right they're going on just to like fight but do you think do you think actually we're going to look back I think it's only going to be worse I feel like it's going to be even closer to us as far as like technology's gone I mean

this next generation of like young people that are we I mean how old were you when you got we got Twitter. I was like my 20s maybe or 2008. Yeah, like early 20s. I had already had a childhood without it, you know, so it's like this next generation of kids that are doing it from the super young age. I think we're going to see that they like cannot function. I mean, maybe AI is going to come in and supplement it or something. But I think we're going to go the same way cigarettes were like fine. And then it's like, oh, everyone has lung cancer. We have to get rid of this. I think it has to get really bad. And then we'll just go like, you know. But what do you think fix? I feel like it's just at that point, people would just become part robot. Like what's

fixing it. Yeah, maybe. I mean, we kind of already are. I mean, when I don't have my phone on me, I'm like, I feel it. I physically feel it. Yeah, like, if you drove to the airport without your phone, you'd buy a new phone. You just straight up buying a new phone. I just, no, I just wouldn't go on my trip. I'd go back home to get my phone. Yeah, like, new shit. Yeah, shit's canceled. It's funny. Somebody that I know posted something one day that said, um, wouldn't it be nice if social media closed at 6 p.m. And I, I, I, I, I, I, like, actually got this feeling of, like, that would be amazing if it just turned off. Yeah.

6 p.m. like, sorry. No more social media. There's none of it until tomorrow. Because he's, he got famous, like, on TV, like X Games fame. Damn. Chris Cole, skateboard, everyone. Like magazines. He was, like, on the cover of thrash.

It was like skater of the year. Thrasher was the shit. Drashor. So is. Twice, whatever. And you got famous without any of that stuff. So it's kind of funny how I say this with love. love in my heart.

Amazing. He's, like, awful at social media. He has a lot of followers just because he's, like, a legend, but you... Really bad at it. It's actually kind of aggressive. Like, it's the power move. Well, it was, it's kind of interesting because in some, in some lanes, people got a job via social media.

That's nowadays, like, people have that, that drove it. I got a job without it. So once social media came up, it was like a volcano that you had to feed and it was more work than your work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's every single day all the time. You have to keep feeding it and it just goes away. But I also think of skateboarding, unlike kind of what we do, we, something I do like about comedy and like this podcast space of like longevity and high performing and edifying yourself is like you can be a try hard. I'm a try hard.

On this space? Just in our space. Yeah. We talk about how hard we work. Yeah. Right? You know what I'm saying? I'm not like you, are you on some, like,

are you sunning your butthole at 5 a.m and all that shit? No. You're, like, icing your balls. No, I do the ice bath, though. Okay, okay. Yeah, I don't ice the ball specifically. Like once a day. Oh, really?

Like, once a day. Yeah. Once last time you're done. I didn't, I didn't know that there was, like, more than that. Yeah. I didn't know that people did it twice. But they don't chill. Some people, like, wake up and do it.

Here's what I will say about the ice bath. I do, in Huberman, I believe, corroborated this, which is that if it causes you stress, like, if it's really stressful for, for you to get in it, it's combating the benefits. Do you think so? I grew, they call me Ho Rogan, okay? Come for me.

But like, I grew up poor, okay? I grew up, the bills weren't paid and we never had hot water. When I, I do not fuck with cold water. It makes me feel poor again. It stresses me out. It makes me angry. I don't like it. So I'm like, okay, to do it.

And it's like the amount of adrenaline and cortisone you're making is undoing any of the benefits, in my opinion. I think the whole point is to do it because you don't want to do it. Like that's one of the biggest parts of the ice bath. That's what sex is for me. Oh my God. I already have. She's lying.

I am lying. Wait, what? She's lying. I am lying. What the fun? I will destroy this relationship. That's insane.

For a laugh right now. That's insane. I know you will, baby. I know you all, honey. Bro, that's crazy. I'm kidding. But yeah, the ideas you're doing something you don't want to do. But, like, I don't know.

I do plenty of. of things I don't want to do, you know? What do you do that you don't like the most? Southwest Middle Seat all day long. I flew Spirit Airlines just to like see what was going on. My travel agent is so close. My travel agent texted me and she was like, you know there fights breakout on this airline. That's like their thing.

I was like I'm in. I want to be like MVP gold status. Let's go. MMA airlines. It's just too close. Like it's just the seats are too close. I've flown spirit. You're also too big.

You're also a, you know, truck. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you're like the anomaly. Like, you have to buy two seats, but for the complete opposite reason. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, of course. When you're big like you, and I don't say this, and maybe you've already talked about it,

is there like a trauma that this comes from of like you want to be able to defend yourself or did you have to like fight a stepdad or like just like want to look sick? No, yeah. No, where it started. By the way, I believe this is how men should look. I believe this is the, you know. I know. I know. We're on it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm bulking right now. Is that what they say? Yeah. Yeah. You're bulking.

He's got, yeah, I'm like, I'm loading up. His anal skifter came out this morning. He is on it. But he's got like so many skating injuries. I'm gonna shred. Yeah. I just mean like, I, when it's like, why do men have to get in shape? It's like, well, we're going to war soon.

I mean, oh my God, it's insane. We need you guys to do this. So, so I started it not because of war or anything, but really just, it was like a, it's just a time of my life where it was the one thing that I was like, oh, I'm actually kind of, I feel good at this. and I feel like I feel good about myself. I dealt with a lot of trauma when I was a kid. Like father lost my father when I was young to suicide and then feeling like, why don't I have these things?

Other people have things. And I just felt like when I was in the gym, it was like everything, all that kind of just disappeared. And so I was like, oh, I want to do this more. So it was for me, it was like that sort of addicted,

excuse me, addictive sort of like. Healthy addiction, yeah. Yeah, healthy. At the time it was more so like avoidant, trying to avoid it. But then I realized, like, oh, I'm actually good at this.

And so I just kept doing it. Like you hyper focused on it. Yeah. That was where it came from. I love that. I like, I love being, like I started working out with Ben Bruno like, I don't know, like six years ago. I'm a little bit like skinny and not super muscular right now. But I got really strong, at least for me, not compared to you, but like I got really strong.

And I was so happy because I just felt so competent, you know, like I felt so like, Like one time my dog, I have a dog like Gerasup, Great Day in Pitbull, and he's, you know, 120 pounds, maybe, 100 pounds? He was maybe bigger at the time. Yeah, he was 120. He cut his leg on something and two of his, are they arteries? Whatever. He was like bleeding out and I had to carry him and put him in the car and, like, run into the hospital with him and, like, made it just, like, in the nick of time. And I couldn't have done that if I wasn't in shape.

Like, I'm like, I like to get in shape to, like, picture, like, saving someone's life. yeah yeah when you jump off a fucking you know the roof to do one of your whirly birds yeah you want everything to stay together like i have to be able to carry you to the hospital yeah that's that's fair well that's the funny thing about like the skate dudes like you can't get too big where you offset your your balance and how you do things you're already very stocky for a skateboarder yeah totally like they're usually not built up they're usually pretty scrawny but everybody will say like do yoga they're vegan they seem like that's like a lot of people like do yoga do yoga because like oh it feels better when you skate because like you're nice and loose but if you don't have muscle holding those joints together your shit explodes all the springs come out because you do the splits one time but you don't have any like glute to hold your hip together have you ever had a major injury oh yeah probably I think so he just went to that stem cell thing because his back is just like a question mark I did do that where uh CPI down in TJ.

Tijuana. How long has it been since that? How many guys are saying they're going to get stem cells in Tijuana and are just going to get hookers? Yeah. Oh, neat. Interesting. Hong Kong. Did you go to Hong Kong on the way out?

I was like, Hong Kong, that's like a ways away. Oh, the strip point. No, I did it in March. He has a really famous strip club, Hong Kong and Tijuana. That's probably why he went there. Um, oh my God, can you imagine like after getting stem cells like Charter goes so far? You feel like you feel super good. Oh, it takes like three months so you start to feel like I can move again.

Um, so it took a while. Like I did it in March. I got it in my lower back in my cervical spine. So like my neck and also in my right knee. I'm actually really interested in this. Please. And Bradley's going to know the answer to this. People went to get their dicks bigger too.

What? Is that possible? Wait, why would I know the answer to this? I just said, What the fuck is this? Sorry, I just mean you probably know a lot about this space. There were a lot of people that were just there for their dicks. Does it work?

How? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Not to themselves for the... Yes. Yes, stem cells for the dick. Okay, so here's what actually happened is, like, some dudes went down there just to pump up their dick. They put, like, two needles in your gooch and, like...

What's a goo? Is that the top? It's right under. It's between your, like, balls and your ass. The taint. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But your dick's there, too. like that's all dick like for a dude

that whole zone's dead this hilarious how about this I've seen it you haven't fair enough neither of you have seen it that's okay fair enough okay don't act like you're the authority on it I'm just saying they stab dick but they stab

the different area yeah not the part that's protruding it's like yeah they stab like but we're still counting that we're still counting that yeah size wise we're counting that yeah yeah sure I mean I measure to the wall All. But they, so they, a bunch of dudes went down just for that. But there were like 50 people, 30 to 50 people in this, in this place at this one week. And there was, there was one guy there that was like a manly man, right? Like everybody, everybody knew of him. He's like, he fights. He fights real good. Right. I'm not going to say names. But he got it. And then. Right. Right. Wait, there's a fight. This is an actual fighter?

It's a guy. It's a guy. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I can't. But he got it. We know it's a guy. And he was not scared to say. He was like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah, I'm getting it, right?

It's like two seconds. I'm doing it just in case. And every other dude was like, wait, if he'll do it, like, every dude signed up. Every, like, every other dude was like, ooh, I want it to. Dude, I want to know who this guy was so bad. I'll tell you after. Okay. But let me ask you, if you, I'm not accusing this guy of taking steroids, but if you take

steroids, does that make your dick smaller or your ball smaller? Ball smaller. Do you think his dick had taken a hit from steroids? Well, it doesn't make your dick smaller. If anything, it would make your dick, I don't want to say bigger, but it would make it stronger. But all these ice baths are taking a toll on those dicks, let's be honest. Take it tall on the balls probably. I think every dude, unless they've been confirmed, like this can't be any bigger,

will definitely go till they get the, like, the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, cut off. It's like, I'm so cute. Wait, what is it? I don't get it. They just, it makes it perform better or it makes it stay bigger. Because it does stem cell grows whatever like collagen, right? Is that what it does? It attaches to inflammation and fixes shit. And so what, what they're saying this does. Can you just tell me the guy's name so I can go suck his dick to see if it's gotten bigger? Because we don't know if it got bigger. We don't, but you didn't do it before. So no. Okay. Damn.

yeah um i'm sure i could find photos of this guy's dick on the internet i guess i mean at least no we need for the science we need science have you done the stem cells no what i want to not for my dick but for what fucking shoulders yeah my shoulders are fucked dude shoulders are a thing like a lot of dudes did the shoulder because shoulders are so are are ruthless like if you have a shoulder injury it's gnarly i broke my shoulder it was a nightmare have you broken yours no i just Fucked it up. Neil Eletrach is like the joint guy. Okay, he did like Kobe's ankle and Tom Brady's knee.

How did you break your shoulder? Snowboarding. I'm going to say it like that. If I wouldn't tell you, it was my first time doing it. Embarrassing, I was a place called Yellowstone Club in Montana. And I smashed in, like just fully smashed into the ground. My fake tits bounced off them. So I didn't get a concussion or hurt my head, thankfully.

But I did fracture long ways. and my shoulder went to Neil Eletrach and he put in like like PRP mixed with cortisone these shots like deep in and it did really help but I all day kind of do all day all day that all day that that all day talking while I'm I'm I try to do it like if I did an impression of her I'd be doing that that's all I stretch while I'm having conversations with people yes totally what does it make you feel better have to well yeah I'm just so afraid of this shoulder like freezing Right.

What happened to your shoulder? I think. That's why I had to stop jerking off. Yeah, it's good. That's why I stopped jerk because it was my right shoulder's injured. Oh, no, I actually, I think I injured it a long time ago playing football when I was younger and I just never fixed it. What position were you? Well, I was a DB and receiver when I was a kid.

It was a lot skinnier. Was your football team? 49ers. Oh, nice. Yeah. What? It's a nice. Is that where you're from?

Yeah, San Francisco. Nice. They're, you know, they're good. They were really good. They won the Super Bowl. Yes. Yes. For a very long time, I kind of got out of football because they were so bad.

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I mean, I'm not like, I'm not like a fucking diehard. I like, it's my team, my hometown. Yeah. I got to love them, but. Yeah. I'm just curious. I mean, you've gotten like really successful. Yeah.

Has that affected your personal life? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it's almost me my, not my personal life non-existent because it has been, but it definitely affected my ability to build a strong relationship for sure because of my 100%. Why? Because I was so focused on the work side of my life and not so much the interpersonal relationship side of my life.

But I do feel like that our personal lives, if you talk for a living, like enrich this. A hundred percent. Podcasting, honestly, like, it has cured in a lot of ways, my deep workaholism for all the wrong reasons because it's like you run out of things to say. You know, like, I got to go do stuff so that I have stories. You know, so I'm like, let's have a personal life. Let's go have a date night. Like, and hopefully something will go wrong.

But, like, let's say, for art to imitate life, you have to have a life, right? So it's like, help me to be a more well-rounded person because I don't want to be a boring podcast. Yeah. No, without a doubt, I mean, if I'm trying to look back at, because I had been in a relationship when I had first started my podcast, and absolutely it benefited because completely different perspective on things. That's really the reason why, because I'd have the conversations, I'd be like, oh, I didn't think of it that way.

Your home does not look like you have a girlfriend. Really? Which part, like, did the studio here over there? Yeah. Well, I feel like you're going to make fun of the fact that I had Christmas decorations up. I don't know why... Honestly, I thought you would have went there first. I got to be...

And I didn't know it was a Christmas decoration. I'm torn on this, okay? I'm very torn on this. I like someone who's, like, loyal. You're like, that wreath, Christmas wreath is up, and I've committed to it. Okay, that is someone who, if I was, like, coming over to hang out with you to maybe date you, I'd be like, this is husband material. He's serious about Christmas.

He's serious about cheer, okay? And joy. There's so... Because I keep Christmas decorations up. until like February and then it instantly becomes like deeply depressing to me to see it but we were talking about this last night remember I was like why can't we listen to Christmas music any month except December? It's super weird. You're a serial killer if you listen to Christmas music. I agree. It's so eerie and spooky and then I was like sort of this is like comedian brain

like obsessing over that door right a joke about it and then seeing your Christmas decorations you know it is it's a power move I respect it I just I can't believe you haven't seen it he was like oh I didn't even notice that you guys it's September yeah it's been nine months and he's got a wreath on his front door and he didn't know it till now yeah i'm gonna be honest with you it just looked like green stuff and i didn't even recognize the fact that it did you hang it no i don't think i ever even hung it no i think i had assistant at the time who had hung it okay and then and then probably got rid of the assistant and then never unhung itself fuck him i'm just going to leave this well i think maybe they left they probably didn't come back

and i'll be honest like it just wasn't christmasy enough to me it just looked like some green stuff it's like a yeah it's like a welcome light it looks like a new ring for hippies. I mean, it's kind of just like, you know. Yeah, leave it up there. It's just, you know, instead of it being plain, I was just like, honestly, I don't even think of it because like, when you came through the door, knows how the door is really big. I don't even look at that other door. I just go straight through. I didn't see it. See? I'm obsessed with this. Okay. Hot gender's real. I mean, it's like the first, the first thing I noticed, you haven't seen it for nine months and baby you didn't even notice it. I missed it. Yeah. He, I did a bit in a, but, um, I think

it was like my second special a long time ago. I've done six specials. This one was a very long time ago. So I'm trying not to judge too hard. But I was doing something about like, you know, women, how we obsess about what you guys are thinking about. Like in our head, you're always thinking about like another woman or like, you know, whatever. And it's always another man, by the way. I'm like, what do you think about it? He's like, if I could beat that guy up. One time I said, I was like, what do you think about? He went Squidward's head, like, without missing a beat. I was like, wow. It's never a woman. Because if you ask me, like, what are you thinking about right now?

I screenshot right at that moment. What was in my head? I'll be like, cartoon hot dog. Like, that's it. We really think that you guys are like plotting and planning how to cheat on us. No, no. SpongeBob's pants. And so I did a bit about how like, like, we overthink how guys think.

We assume guys think is complicated as we do. And I mean, I'm very jealous that you guys have such a sort of like simple. our monologue and like my guess is when you guys drive you just go like tree tree and like it was like exaggerating but when we drive around he's like look at that tree I did do that I was like whoa crazy tree you've done a couple times I'm like are you literally just like staring at tree what's going to happen this November when we have these elections we break into like world war three and you guys are just like look that tree I'm like can we but I think that we're clocking earth we get it but you two are also very high.

high performer athletic like single vision tunnel vision people does that do you struggle with that in your relationships for sure i think like like i said uh it's it's it's my focus on work has drastically affected my interpersonal relationships i think um i focused so much on what i was doing that like i'll give you an example from like 26 to like 32 it was almost like i wasn't even aware that time just went by so fast. Yeah. Because I was so focused on what I was doing. Building this.

Building this. Whether the podcast stuff. Nothing. No spray paint. I didn't do that. Someone else said that. But yeah, it's like I just, my mind didn't even slow down to think like I should give this more time.

Even though like part of me knew that I wanted it, it was just easier to focus on the shit that I was good at. But why ruin someone's life? I like, when people are like, I just don't want to be in something. I'm like, then don't be. Don't be. Don't drag someone else into this. Like, I appreciate.

Like, I was the same way in my 20s. I was all about work. Like personal life, I was like, I don't even know how to love myself at this point. How am I going to show up for anybody else? Like I had this like Darwinian instinct that I just should not be dating. Oh, but I'm going to fuck you up right now. But I was dating. So I would like, as I was doing that.

For allegations on the way? No, no. He was love bombed me. No, as I was doing that, I was just fucking. It was like I wanted it to be what I, what I wanted it to be. But I wasn't enough in it. But you can't do that anymore. or you get accused of being toxic.

If you really like a girl and want to date her and then you stop wanting to date her because of her personality, you will get accused of gaslighting and love bombing and being a malignant narcissist. You know what I mean? Why do you feel that way? That's just what I'm seeing.

Maybe we have different algorithms, but I'm seeing like these great men being canceled because someone's like he love bombed me. It's like... Wait, that's not a cancelable offense. I think people just try. trying to do you know what I mean like in my day if you were like heartbroken or someone didn't want to date you you were just you know I don't know try to run into them at a thing or you

would do something kind of toxic like when you're a teenager you drive by their house now you get on the fucking internet now you get in the internet and just accuse them of stuff so that they can never have another relationship or it's like or people are just incapable now of looking at their part in things or just surrendering to the fact that like you know I met my guy at I mean we met way later in life and I assumed I was going to meet my like person yeah but Like, we weren't fully realized sort of people yet, you know? Yeah. And I guess, like, before that, you're just running around trying to make things work that

might not work. Because I heard, like, you know, if you can find 80% of what you want, that's good enough. I got all this bullshit of, like, whether it was like TV or, you know, my, you know, parents, what I saw with my parents is like, you can change someone. Like, you meet someone that's like 70% of what you want and then you change them. Like, sick. Like a toxic, sick, you know what I mean?

It's like, I love you. Now let's get to work. Okay. So you're 49. We got to fix that. Or whatever it is. Or you'd go like, I can live with that. And then you would build the resentments and, you know, whatever.

And like, I just think it's hard for people to wrap their head around. It took me a long time to understand that. Like, there's so few people that could be your person. Like, most people aren't a match. It's not like he did this and he did this. No, you're just not a match. It's fine. And the more unique a person you are, the less matches there are going to be for you.

I remember that my therapist ain't me because I'm in this program called Alan on ACA, which is like if you grew up around alcoholism and chaos and trauma and whatever. that you develop all these maladaptive behaviors, they work really well when you're in the home of origin, right? But then as you move out into the world, when you're mothering, micromanaging, marty, trying to rescue people, trying to save people, you know, martyering yourself, and, you know, self-depriving, addicted to perfectionism,

all that kind of stuff. I don't know if you have the perfectionism thing, but I really have that. And, you know, it took me a long time to just, like, realize, like, the healthier you get, right? When you get healthy, the sick get angry, right? And then the healthier you get, the less people there are going to be for options for you. You know, and my therapist said to me, she's like, be careful.

Just so you know, the healthier you get, the less options you're going to have. Isn't that the goal? Like totally, totally, totally, you know? But it's like just, it's fascinating to me that we're sort of like, this relationship didn't work. Yeah, most of them don't work. Most people are not a match for you. And that goal is that you're so unique that there's so few people that are a match for you, you know? So I think it took me a long time.

You know, because I, especially as you're in your 30s and you're going like, I guess I, this is as good as it's going to get. And then you start doing the timeline of like, oh, well, if we get pregnant in two years, I'm not having a kid in three years. And then we're, you know what I mean? And you just like settle. Yeah. It seems like a lot more pressure for women to, I guess kind of settle. Just because of that, that specific timeline with the baby. Yeah. You guys can have, you know, kids so much later. But still, then as I'm older now, I'm like, fuck. But like, I also don't want to be an old-ass dad. Dude, I think young dad. I think older. I think women should, I mean, I'm, okay, I'm kind of speaking out of my ass, but I'm 90% sure that I believe this. I feel like women should have kids later and guys should have kids earlier. So I fucked up. I, all the guys I know that had kids early are just like awesome dudes. Like, I think it just simplifies a lot. And I think that that sort of, you guys have this, you know, need to chase and your testosterone goes down a little bit to the point to where I think it's just kind of like manageable. And I think that the chase of wanting to like sleep with a bunch of women and being distracted by all that.

I think that that need kind of gets satiated by like... Taking care of the kid. Raising humans, raising your clones and having your tribe, you know? I guess the same thing could be done in like focusing on a business. Not that the kid would be... Not that it's the same thing. But if some guy has something that he's actually really focused on doing, you could be... Building something.

Yeah. But I think that like the root of wanting to sleep with a lot of women is either gay or it's... Gay. It's so gay, dude. I do. What makes it gay? It's a little gay to like, I just think it's gay to sleep with a bunch of women and then talk about it with your guy friends. Like, that's gay.

Wait, what about that's gay? Because you're trying to impress your guy friends. You're trying to get your guy friends to think about you fucking. It's weird. Straight dudes just find the person they can have the most sex. But if you're like chasing every night, it's about a chase. It's not about actually sticking the landing. Guys that are in relationships are straight because they get to have sex every single night.

And there's something gay about not wanting to hang out with something feminine. It's about the hang too. To just want to sleep with a woman and then be like, I'm going to go hang with my bro's at the gym while they work out. And I'm going to go to the sauna with that. It's like, you know what I mean? Fuck. It's like, I love your house. I never looked at that way.

I'm just like, it's very masculine house. Yeah. Wait. Like, where are you going with this? Except that the wreath, the reed. There's some feminine touches.

Like, I think that I put that up. Straight guys appreciate the femininity of being around a woman. The spending time part, not just having sex. Yeah. So the idea of I'm just going to slam this bitch and then go tell my bros about that. It's kind of a funny.

I love your impression of a dude. Like you've clearly haven't been. around that many guys talking about this. To be fair, all my friends are male comedians. So I just swam this checkbooking. You know what I realized that you were my person? Because the thing that I look for the most, my kink is like respect. Like I want a man that I am like, can be an awe of and like, you know, respect so much.

Because doing stand up for so long, my impression of men was always out. Like, what are you part of the. And like the first time I did an impression of you, it wasn't that. He was like, what should we do about that? And I was like, oh, my God, I respect him. He's my guy. Oh, shuck. What are the biggest way someone could show you that they respect you?

Ooh. I think restraint, me or how I show him? How he would show you. He would show me. I don't know if he respects me. I respect him. I totally respect you. We don't really argue or fight about anything petty.

I choose my battles in a way that I have never chose my battles at the expense of my career. And comedy, you know, I put him over, like, because in relationships, like, is a comic or is a storyteller, you're sort of like, what's this thing? Oh, is you using the thing? So you're doing the thing? Like, mocking or making fun of him or trying to mine a joke out of it or like, I don't ever want to do that with him. Mine a joke.

Do you think it's, though, just because you've gotten older and you've done it and you realize it wasn't helping or it wasn't? Did you just imply that I age? Well, we all age, first of all. You know, we all, we all do that. Every day we do that. I definitely think there's a getting older and getting a more mature thing. So maybe it's a chicken and egg that because I'm older and more mature, I chose a man

that I respected. But I think that there's all the workaholic in me. Or it's the fact that your therapist at one point told you that you lose. There's like, it's getting small and you're like, fuck it, this works. And then you choose it. And you're just like, that's it. And you're like, I have to respect him because I know that I need to respect him in order for it to work.

Yeah, because what choice do I have? I'm not like that, though. I got financially independent because I grew up. My mom was a gold digger. I didn't understand that at the time. I was like, why do we both have to go on these weird dates with these like men that are so born,

you know, and then like, oh, but I have a watch now. Like, you know, like I, a guy that she dated got me a car and like paid for my education.

What the fuck? Yeah. So it's like women didn't have many options. There wasn't a girl boss culture back then. There wasn't only fans. You know what I mean? And my mom was like, you know,

she had like a whatever job. She worked at a department store and, you know, didn't have money. And she had, I don't think it was even weird back then the concept of the transactional. Yeah. You date me because I'm pretty.

I date you because you have money. I don't think it was weird at all. I don't think it was weird. I think men actually, that was, I think they probably thought it was hot too, you know? It's like, I think Neil Brennan has the joke of like, you know, we're mad at gold diggers,

but we also kind of like showing off our gold. We kind of like, you know what I mean? You think it's weirder now then? Here's what I'll say. I think that a lot of guys hate gold diggers and gold diggers. These are the same guys. Sometimes, not all, that, like, post only their fancy cars and their Lamborghinis and their watches. And I'm like, but you hate gold diggers, but you love showing out.

Like, that's who you're going to attract. So someone like me is going to go, like, oh, that's corny. Like, this guy's insecure. Whereas someone that needs their rent paid is going to go like, hey. So it took me a while to figure this out, too, in my friendships of, like, I didn't know how to be loved in my friendships. So I settled for being used. Like, being used is often a very comfortable dynamic. because you sort of know the deal and you're not going to, you know, and I think sometimes

guys do that too. I think guys are like, this girl needs money, this is safe, she can't leave, I'm in control or something like that. And then, you know, they both benefit, you know, it's like this thing with Azizanzari, when Aziz got canceled or whatever that was. Remember that? That was like, that was, I think it was before Cosby and everyone was freaking out about like Louis C.K. and Aziz.

And then Cosby happened. And everyone was like, oh, wait, no, that's a crime. We overreacted to those other ones, right? And like, no one was like, hey, sorry, guys. But I guess in the pandemic, we were all losing our minds. But it was like the Aziz thing when people are like slamming Aziz. And like, I'm not defending him. I don't really know Aziz well.

He's never been particular like, like, nice to me. But like he, you know, was using her for her books in youth. She was using him for his fame. Like it felt like kind of a fair transaction in a way. I'm not saying either of them are healthy. But when you're in her 20s, I guess, you know, who cares? But it's like, this is the thing I wonder about with you is once you get. famous and rich, it is very hard to have someone not take that into account.

I got really lucky with this guy because I don't know anything about skateboarding. And I thought it was like his hobby. Like I didn't, I don't, because he doesn't have the body of a skateboarder. Like I kind of. What's the body of a skateboarder? Like willowy and like, you know, gaunt and kind of just, you know, I just had the stereotype in my head of what skateboarders were like and he's so like early. Usually shorter.

And you're very like, he's very like, he's very like. This is not the right word, but I'm, you know what I mean. Can't wait. You're kind of like blue collar in a way in the way that you, he's very manly. And like, skaters are like, I got my Supreme and I got my, you know, my hat with the price tag still on it. And I got the, you know what I mean? He's not like. Like the high B shit.

Yeah. Like whatever, dude. Like. Not that at all. Yeah. I can like step on his shoes and he's not like, I watch the shoot. You know what I mean? It's funny because skating for, I mean, this is for you was for the long.

It was all like high B shit. Like it was all about being like. sort of anti-culture yeah it's it's kind of interesting there was a moment where I feel like um a portion of skateboarding started to follow trends whereas they were always the one to make them and there are still like there's still you know tons of skaters that are creating trends but we never had people that were following the trends really that I noticed and then once I started seeing like skaters and jogger pants I was like oh shit like they had like Bruno Mars's hair and they had jogger pants and I was like oh this isn't this isn't the same yeah what year was that

when moot-on-mars probably started popping off right yeah it was like around uh 2,011 12-ish like I started seeing like people like following the trend yeah I was like oh but it's interesting because it's like you look back at like Tony Hawk back in the day like he was wearing pink you know what I mean this was in like the 80s yeah and he had a mixed squeeb haircut yeah men didn't wear pink he was wearing like pink and like you know all these like lilac like wild colors and it's like whoa like they were like you know i think there's something so cool about what you do for a living is so ballsy and fearless that you can take you can wear pink and no one's gonna be like you're a pussy you know totally it also gives you freedom to like people would be like what's your

like guilty pleasure like music i'm like i don't have one because i have no shame with like whatever whatever i'm listening to i'm like this a good tune dude cold-hearted snake Byer. Dude, my first concert, Paula Abdul, rush, rush, let's go. But also he, a lot of skaters, I guess the impression I was getting is they're like too cool for school. They're too cool to be fans of other people. There's kind of this emo thing, like we're cooler than you or some shit, like sort of a nihilistic

take. And he's so relentlessly positive, like loves the Eagles. Like I was like, oh, I didn't realize. Were you always that way, though? Yeah, I think so. Well, you were goth. He was goth kid. Yeah, but I was still like polite.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So polite guy. I just thought that skaters were kind of dicks. That's kind of like the culture, though. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, I, like, I don't know when the last time that would have been. I had to have been, like, a teenager at that point. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But also you were so successful, so young that you had to have sportsmanship and be, like, the captain of skaters. I always, like, rooted for the hero in a, in a movie, though, too. Like, the villain always looked really cool. And I thought it was, like, it was tough to have, like, a Joker shirt or something. But I was always rooting. I was always.

he's rooting for Batman. Yeah. People said, my friend said this to me, that hippies are bad people cosplaying as good people and metalheads are good people cosplaying as bad people.

I like that. I like that. That's sick. And I think that also skate culture is similar and I think part of the reason that, you know, it's like when you're finding your person

and maybe you found your person, hopefully, whatever. But like when you find something that's adjacent to your business, but not your business, but you need the same brain to accomplish it. Because I was like, what am I do, date an actor? Like, I can't date a man that wears makeup. Like, I can't do a man that, like, people that are like, I'm dating this actress.

I'm dating this actor. It's like, you're signing up to be with someone who lies for a living. Like, their job is they pretend. And they win prizes for lying. Like, are we, have we lost our minds? And then comedians, I love them. They're just all my friends. And it would feel like incest.

I know that's the number one porn. days, but not for me. And then skating, the trajectory is actually wildly similarly, similarly street skating to comedy. Like, you're starting in parking lots. You're, like, hurting yourself over and over to try to figure out this one thing. You're touring. You're not making any money. And, like, the only thing that carries you is, like, your positive attitude and going, like, I would rather fail at this than succeed in anything else. You know? Yeah, that makes sense. The kind of drive and ambition you have to have to make it as a comic or as a skater or what you do, like, we could do other jobs and probably figure it out pretty fast,

you know but we're choosing to do it the hard way we're choosing to when did you decide to be a comedian how do you even decide to be a comedian because it's it's such like my parents decided by becoming alcoholics i think um it's kind i don't know if you decide like it's like i don't know don't you feel like you were kind of did you decide to do this or was it was chosen for you in a way you know like comedy it's like i know there's a lot of people kind of doing comedy now that aren't necessarily comedians that had parents that like loved them and read to them and I'm like, that's awesome. That wasn't my generation before me.

It was like, you know, I grew up in an alcoholic home where at a very young age, I saw acrimonious fighting and drinking and violence and nasty shit. And I took it upon myself, you know, as I guess the youngest, a mistake, obviously. When you're the youngest, usually, you know, in my case, I was a mistake. But usually you have to fit into an already established system and figure out what your role is pretty quickly. And your parents are sometimes done parenting. And very quickly, I was like, I got to cheer these people up.

Like that ended up that. And I would watch my dad watch like Rodney Dangerfield or S&L. He wouldn't be paying attention to me. But I'd be like, okay, I got to do that. I got to like be silly and try to make him laugh. And so at a very young age, I started trying to make alcoholics and laugh. And as an adult, I go make drunks laugh. You know, it's kind of like very simple for me.

But I just love doing it. I also think as someone that felt very like alone. And, you know, I was kind of, there was like severe kind of neglect for me. And that's something a lot of people don't talk about. Just like being alone a lot as a kid. and you have to develop this internal life, this internal fantasy. I would, like, disassociate pretend I was other people,

pretend I was adopted, pretend I was a horse, pretend, you know, whatever. And then, you know, I thought that people, like, couldn't see me. This sounds so crazy, but you feel invisible. And you're like, you know that when I go out and I stare at people? It's wild, dude. It's so insane. When did you, do you, when was your earliest memory of feeling like that, though? Oh, gosh.

I remember as a as a kid, I remember like, I don't know if you've ever done EMDR or any kind of like, you know, trauma stuff. But EMDR eye movement reprogramming and desensitization was developed, I believe, in the 70s. I've done ayahuasca. I've done I want to do that again. I did it once and I kind of like half-assed it. The guy was like dancing in front of me and I just couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't. Did it with a male stripper?

I did, yeah, exactly. I did it in Hong Kong. It was great. And I just was like, it was so silly. and my comedian brain could not turn off. And I did very much feel like it was power of suggestion. And so I was so stubborn. I had to try to, like, resist it.

Yeah, it's not going to go well. I need to do it. I did it after my dad died. And I like was fighting, I was fighting the grief. Yeah. You know, because I think ultimately I was needed to just cry. And I like had to fight it. Lost my train of thought.

Oh, when you, I did this thing called EMDR. It's pretty amazing. it like connects the hemispheres of the of the brain and you know like how you remember that I Love Lucy episode I never saw it like you know the video of like an assembly line of like is it yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and then it starts building up and building up so the way it was explained to me in a way that at least I understand is that our brain is taking in like three billion pieces of information a second right I'm looking at you know what you look like what this room smells like the colors soft yeah couch and there's like marble right here and then there's this

thing and there's this like white symbol and there's a light here and whatever And so our brain is taking all this information, filing it into different folders. And if someone comes in right now and holds a gun to our head, our brain freezes, right? The freeze response. And even though we're in our freeze response, the information keeps coming in. So it files into the folder of trauma, right? So if in, you know, someone comes in, tries to kill us, doesn't, whatever, that was a traumatic event. In two years, it's, you know, my wedding day, and I'm sitting in a hotel, and there's a black couch that's velvet and soft.

and all of a sudden I'm in a panic and I'm irritable and I'm snapping at people and I'm uncomfortable and I don't really know why you know because I wouldn't have put that together so what EMDR does it goes back to the traumatic incident and you kind of take all these benign things out of the trauma folder so that you're not goes back in how though what way goes back in like how do you go back to that moment like in that do this thing you have um uh basically these little vibrating things in each of your hand sometimes they'll use something and go back and forth on your knees like a little like wand kind of thing and you go back and forth from both sides of the brain and you relive it and you say all the things you remember from the room so i used

to funny that you had a christmas decoration up i used to hate christmas like in a rational curmudgeonly way it made me it like made me angry you know when you go to the mall and like october and there's christmas decorations up i'd be like why like i was i would get so mad maria carrie's christmas album i'd be like shot it off like i can't get away from that either It would make me so mad. Now it's my shit. And Christmas stuff would just stress me out the smell of pine, the smell of wrapping paper. Like I was like, oh, I have misophonia.

Like, I hate the sound, you know, because I was diagnosed with all the shit, autism and Asperger's. And misophonia, which is when things sound really loud to you, which is now something I still have, but it benefits me a lot. Like, I kind of look at all the things that I was diagnosed with that are negative and found the career where it's all, like, positive, you know? So I do, like, loud noises really stress me out. And I can hear like very small noises far away, but it's a comic that's like great. You know, you can hear every laugh. You can hear a rapper. You can hear some talking.

Like it's, you know, I think you just have to find, you know, we, I think we over pathologize ourselves. And it's like, no, maybe these things are all working for you. Just find the job or the person or whatever it is where it's actually a superpower instead of, you know, an obstacle. And so, yeah, so I went, did EMDR because I was just dealing with anxiety and anger. And like, it was around a holiday. and I would always perform on Christmas.

I do shows on New Year's Eve, like December. I would just tap the fuck out. I was like, you guys are crazy. This is dumb. Santa Claus, what are we five? Like so much anger would come up. And then I was able to sort of like dislodge this memory of, you know, in alcoholic homes, often holidays are very hectic.

You know, it's when people all get together. Everyone gets drunk. Oh, you're going to get me this present and I got you that. You know, it's just where all the shit comes out. And so there was a Christmas. Christmas, specifically, that got really violent and, you know, dramatic. And, you know, so I just had a really bad association with holidays. And I just had to dislodge, you know, Christmas tree, presents, you know, eggnog, all the shit.

And now Christmas, you've seen it. I have, like, two Christmas trees. And I have, like, Christmas tree decorating parties and, you know. But so my original question, I'm glad you went off on that gigantic tangent about Christmas first. Well, no, I loved it. When did you first experience, like, something where you, like, you recognized it? and you were young, you're like, oh, this is, this is a part of me now.

Like, when you were younger and the trauma's happening and you look back on it now, at what age do you have the first memory? Like, what, how old? Of using comedy to diffuse. I think there were a couple. I remember my parents fighting that got divorced at a pretty young age, but they would go back and forth. They lived like a couple blocks from each other.

You know, my dad would come over and take us when he wasn't supposed to. My mom would break in it. It was like just we were weaponized, you know? And I remember, uh, I remember like making my mom laugh because, um, she had to stay in this like apartment close by. And I remember, you know, going to her house. We were always going back and forth. And, uh, and it's very small.

It's not a funny joke at all. It just made her laugh at the time where we came in and I was like, should we lock the door just in case our own father tries to come see us? Like it was just like that. It was like, and she kind of like, like, like, laughed, but it was, you know, this thing where I'd go to my mom's house and we'd have to lock the door, not for intruders, not, you know, we had to lock the doors and worry about the other parent coming over to kidnap their own child, you know, you know, and that's the only time

she would care, like, you know, and so, you know, like a stranger would be talking to me, and I'd be like, this is fine, but if dad tries to talk to me, you're going to call the police, like, like, you know, because it was just such backwards land. So I think it was just those observations. And I think that at a young age, I realize, if I said something that was just true about my life, people would laugh because it was so ridiculous. Are you like eight, seven, 14? Yeah, probably seven or eight.

And then I remember one time I, this is, I don't mean to like bring up trauma and bore everybody. No, I want to hear it. Yeah, I feel like I was about to get boring. No, I want to hear it. No, it was like when I was a kid, like, you know, and again, I have such compassion for our parents. Like, especially now that I have a kid, I'm like, how did my parents get any of this

done? It's so much to, to, you know, manage and doing. it drunk and hung over like I actually feel impressive the fact that I survived is kind of a miracle I also remember them joking a lot like my dad was hilarious he looked exactly like Dan Aykroyd everyone thought he was Dan Aykroyd I thought he was Dan Aykroyd until I was like 13 and he would sign autographs for Dan Aykroy and take photos with people which is so funny thinking about it and you know I think sometimes the people that are often in the most pain addiction you know the bat are charming and my dad was like this incredibly charming dude you know like I don't know if you're

ever saw three amigos, but he would pick me up from school. It would always be like four hours late. I was, I was that kid at school that was like would go home with a teacher, like I'd have to stay after. My parents would forget about me, whatever, or they just couldn't figure it out. But when he would show up, it was always like he'd hide behind a car and be like, look up here, look up here. That from that three amigos thing.

So like, you know, he was hilarious because he had to distract you from how much he had dropped the ball, you know? So I remember just going like, comedy can fix anything. Everyone is mad at this guy, but as soon as he does show up, he's, like, so funny that everybody forgets about it. So I was like, laughter is this, like, magic trick? Do you think that it requires, like, do you think most comics to actually be funny have to go through something, like, really fucked up? Because it's a common, like, I've talked to a lot of comedians and it's always, like, from someplace dark, you know, they create something like. Even if it's not, even if it's not their trauma, I think that whatever ancestral trauma they've inherited.

So, like, that's part of the reason, like, you know, Jews, you know, kind of invented, Jewish immigrants kind of invented stand-up comedy, you know. So even if they weren't the ones that escaped and got out, their parents were and they had to cope with so much trauma that laughter was what, you know, they had to use to cope. You know, I do think that humor is a coping mechanism. So whether it's your exact life or the ancestral trauma that you inherited, are you down on your ancestral trauma? I know, I know what's you're talking about. But what's your ancestry, do you know? Italian. Oh, nice.

Oh, that's good. That's really interesting because I was just thinking the one person that I think of who I don't feel like had trauma that I'm close to is Sebastian. But I was going to say he's got Italian ancestry and there's so much, you know, trauma sort of in that, you know. And so, you know, to me it's like, you know, I think trauma is, again, trauma is a word that gets thrown around. It used to be reserved for like emergency room doctors to say. but, you know, whatever. So I think that the hard part about trauma per se is like something that's traumatic to someone else isn't traumatic to you necessarily.

So when I talk to these like L.A. girls that like their lives were great and they're out here and they're just like, I had the biggest trauma today. And I'm like, what happened? And they're like, the four or five was. And I'm like, what? Yeah. But you, that, their life has been so easy that that's legitimately hard for them. Yeah.

Perspective. Do you know what I'm saying? So I can't say that wasn't as hard. for you is, you know, my feeling for it is a real feeling, just the situation probably would warrant it if you had a harder life. If you've had no adversity, that's probably really hard. Yeah. So it's like, just because my tolerance for trauma is so high doesn't mean, you know, whatever. So it's, it is all relative. I feel like I have to say that. Like in order to have, you know, need to cope, you don't have to come from an alcoholic home where, you know, things happen to

you and I the way that they happen to you and I, I think that like, you know, I know people that are really funny that just like had an older sister who was like the beautiful prom queen and they just weren't. And then they had to figure out a way to be funny or get attention. You know, so I think it could be as simple as that. I think that comedians, you know, I'm the first person to say that yes, I do think that, you know, something has to happen for you to need to feel heard on the level that we do, the need to feel seen. And what I forgot to say earlier is like corroborated because I felt invisible for so long going on stage and saying like, when this happens, da-da-da-da-da, you know, isn't it, whatever, I'm just thinking of a random joke.

Like, growing, like, people are, you know, saying that phones are so bad for kids, fine. But, like, what we went through is so much worse. Like, we played on, like, a slide made out of sheet metal. Yeah. Baked in the hot sun. You laughing at that, like, that makes me feel like I'm not crazy and that I'm seen. You can relate to it. Yeah, you guys like, okay, you go, okay.

You guys saw that too, right? Like, that's kind of what it is for us. We do want to make people laugh and bring them joy because we feel like that's, we're not productive or useful. and unless we give other people joy and help them escape or because we know what it's like to feel pain and we want to, like, we're drug dealers. You know, we're trying to like give you guys drugs.

That's kind of what we do. You know, we want everyone to feel good all the time because we know what it's like to feel bad. You know, and also I think there's an obsession with the truth. I think that that's the main thing that, you know, a comedian requires and I think many times that comes from trauma of like the, I grew up around so much passive aggressive bullshit.

That's a big alcoholic thing. like lying of like people that hated each other that were like can you please pass assault like passive aggressive shit where you're like I feel like you guys hate each other but you're pretending you don't like kids are smart they know yeah and then so for me I just hate an elephant in a living room I hate a fucking people pretending people lying people being full of shit and comedians we're the ones that we have like Tourette's we're like that's not what happened like that's not but that kind of feels weird I don't know about that like you know so you write jokes around that elephant, you write jokes around the thing that people avoid? At this point, just

saying the truth is a relief to people, you know, I think we're the people that want to just go like, this feels weird. We're like in the tribe, you know, like I'm fascinated with in tribal times, what role would you have played? You'd probably be a warrior, I guess. Probably. You might be an orator too, though. You know, you might be someone that is one of the elders that passes stories on because you're also a speaker, you know, so a warrior when you're playing football and then as you get older, you're kind of one of the wise. You know what I felt, I really, something you said that was so interesting that I'm wondering when did you start even hearing about this, uh, ancestral trauma. It's kind of awful we were talking about a little bit, but when did you start

even becoming privy to that idea? Because I, most people who probably heard that right now are probably like, what the fuck are you talking about? But I get you're talking about through the generations before you of your bloodline and people that have basically dealt with issues that are genetically giving it, handing it kind of down to you in a way through, you know, reproduction. Awesome. I love this. I cannot wait to dig into this. This is my dream. Let me just close the latch on that, which is I think my place in the tribe would have been like the town crier. Who were we just talking to her where that was their last name? Who was it? Who was it? We were just talking because your last name often is the etymology

of your last name, Texas. Headman. So your ancestors gave a lot of head. Mine's coming. So we both of our ancestors were disgusting. Holy shit. Do you know what I mean? If your last name is Tanner. Your parents were probably tanners. You know what I mean? Baker. They were bakers. You know, that's like the shoemaker. Your last name was your job, you know? Blacksmith. Blacksmith, whatever it is. Coal. I mean, I don't know if you're coal miners in your end. I don't know what it all works out. Yeah, we do. But, yeah. So I think that knowing what you would have been in the tribe also learning about the night watcher theory of like, because I struggled with insomnia for so long, but there were certain people in the tribe that would be nocturnal

to stay up all night to assess for threats. And they would breed with, you know, other night watchers and it developed like a group of people that just like are more awake and alive at night you know those people that just like can't fall asleep till four they feel you know awake at night so I did a movie about neuroscience I got obsessed with why I could not um can um sorry I just don't want to over pathologize myself and over self-deprecate because I just got obsessed well first of all I had chronic migraines my whole life and so I was already obsessed with the brain and how it worked I get fucking migraines too You really?

So fucking annoyed. Oh, I can help you with this. Cascady migraines. Really? Yeah. Is it ocular or? Visually like for like blurry. And then it goes and a little bit of a headache.

Do you know about like the common denominator and the times that it happens? Have you like? Maybe maybe dehydrated, maybe stress. So migraine brains. Those are my two. We know very little about migraines. Doctors have developed a pill so that y'all's dick can stay hard for four hours. but they will not study migraines.

I mean, which one's more important, really? We have 5,000 birth controls, but no migraine medications because it is predominantly a woman thing. But is the migraine brain does not like change, which is actually kind of like a winner thing, is the migraine brain needs to be routinized, right? So it doesn't really matter what you eat or how. I mean, don't drink every night if you get migraines, right? But whatever it is, it needs to be consistent. If you're going to drink coffee, that's fine.

Just drink at the same time every day. Okay? Sleep the same amount every day. work out at the same time. Migraine doesn't like change. So I actually think in some weird way, my migraines helped with making me a prolific person because I really had to stick to a schedule for my migraines. You know, I couldn't stay out until two in the morning. So I'm like, this is going to fuck me tomorrow. To not get the migraines. The migraine brain does not like change. Got it. Right. So a big thing that happened to me when I started working out hard is when you're

making lactic acid back and trigger a migraine. You know, so it's like I had to work out the same time every day and I couldn't really mess around with like leg day and then arm day I'm like I kind of have to do the same thing find like a routine so the migraine doesn't just like it doesn't like change so like when I travel and have a time difference I'm gonna wake up at 5 a.m. and just stay on the same time zone just because your you know brain can't catch up first control is also a problem you know there's a lot of things but light I don't know if you yeah light of light is a big one making sure the reason I'm being such a dork wearing glasses today is that like if you're straining like you have to make sure that your eye prescription is up if you have any

vision issues. Smell is a big one as well. Like, I'm the person on a plane. If someone starts spraying perfume, I'm like, uh, excuse me, ma'am. I fucking hate that shit. You can't do that.

Yeah. That's a big one. I just hate like overpowering smells. Like, why the fuck do you want to smell like that? Like what? Also, I do have these two, whether it's placebo effect. Licebo effect is an effect.

I have these date piercings on both sides of my ears. That's like the pressure point for migraines. And it has helped since I got them. You just press them? No, they're just pierced. are already there. It's just pierced. Yeah. You know what's interesting about the perfume thing? Tell me. People go so hard with perfume that like if you're on a motorcycle, you can smell things or

your helmet, right? Yeah. And you'll smell someone's perfume on a highway. Like, so they've rolled down the window and they smell so. Maybe because you're going back and forth on your motorcycle in front of Hong Kong. Maybe that's, that's got to be it. Are you a motorcycle guy? Yeah. They have a Harley. Hell yeah. Yeah. So can I just ask a question about this? Yeah, of course. I'm not saying you can't have a motorcycle. That's not my place. Wait, it sounds like you told me going to have a motorcycle at some point.

No, I didn't. Have I ever said that? No, she hasn't. I would never. I would probably say it in different ways. It sounds like we're good in there. I just. She doesn't want me to die.

Of course not. That's how she kind of like. Well, he just got to ride with groups of people. Okay. I don't ride alone. I'm asking dead. Oh, I never even thought of that. I don't ride alone.

Yeah. I'm like oh that is a good idea because it helps control you or no because people see you people see you there's like five of you you're all together and it's actually harder to not see it than the you know if it's a singular person oh I love that yeah okay see he's not insane he has a motorcycle fair that's yeah I don't want to die I love my life it's great it's like it's the kind of thing where I'm asking for I'm sure many women listen to your podcast that date men like you like what do you do as a woman about the motorcycle thing I know know I can't tell you, you can't have it, but I'm scared.

I just have to deal. Yeah. I try to do little things, although it won't, like, although it won't stop me from dying, I do make sure that you know that I'm on it. And then I text you that I got to each destination. He does do this. But the moment I get on the bike, I couldn't do that. But when you do that, it makes me think a bike is even more dangerous.

I mean, it's dangerous. Because every time you get to a place, you're like, oh, yeah, I made it, buy the skin of my teeth. Like, I'm sorry. It's dangerous, but it's, like, so fucking fun. Sometimes I did. And I think that I'm not unique in this, but my uncle worked at Texas Instruments in Texas, obviously. Bragg.

I know. He used to assemble T-Bird cars, put them back together. I would watch him assemble motorcycles, put him back together. I had a bunch of motorcycles. Couldn't be a more responsible, you know, understanding of the machine type person. He died in a motorcycle accident, and his head was removed from his body. I mean, decapitated from his body. And I remember being like, huh?

Like in Max, Mad Max, they just slide. Like the head came off his body. And then the first week I moved to L.A., I was living on La Sienaigan Sunset, right in front of the comedy store. There's an intersection there. Two people tried to beat the light. One was a motorcycle. One was a car. I watched a motorcycle get hit.

And it was so shocking how fragile the human body really is. He went up in the air The head came down first Because the head's heavier, I guess, whatever And then his shoes came off Shoes always gone Yeah, it's always coming off See guys know this

We're all fine with this shoes They're all the yard sale Shoes gone But with laces Oh yeah they can be Rambo Whiz He should have had boots on But how like how What happened? His ankles broke

I think they probably went limp And then they just go limp And then they just slide out of your shoes You can knock my shoe You can and then head comes down. It's a whip. Like your feet whip. Yeah.

So I think I've seen those two. I guess I'm just going to not, I'm going to just shut my whole mouth. Yeah, just let them do it. No, just ride with people. Just get a group of people. That's the key. I need to get a group of people. I also need to get a bike up here in case of emergency.

Well, his whole thing is if there's like an earthquake, I need a motorcycle so I can get to the traffic. I like, I like the thought. I love that you think that the earthquake is. the threat here. I like the motorcycle. I think it's more like fucking World War III, fucking Civil War is the fucking threat here. Oh, yeah. Is that it?

Is that the game plan to get out? I don't know. I mean, I got a van. I don't know. I don't know because it just seems like it's going to be, if that happened, we're all trying to get out, no one's getting out. There's too many fucking people on cars. So the motorcycle does, I got a dirt bike.

I probably ripped the dirt bike. Oh, do you go over? This way you can offer it wherever. Well, yes, but like not. Not normally, but what I'm saying is, like, if I had a dirt bike, it'd be way easier to maneuver than the Harley. Like if I'm really trying to get the fuck out. But where are you going?

Where you go? I don't know. Foothills. Yeah. To the other war? To the desert. But for what, then will that be on fire too? Like, what's the, where do you go?

Where there's less people probably? West people. They're all trying to get out. West people high ground. Yeah, yeah. But what are you to put on a dirt bike that you can sustain yourself with? I'm a whole. I'm a hold.

For sure. I'm a week stay and fight from here. Yeah. It's going to be intense. I say we get a plan that's like everyone come to my house or something. I have a bunch of guns. Or we come here. Okay.

I have none guns. All of, we just, we all got to stay. We all come here. And fight from here. Getting out seems like a bad idea. Because you don't know what's. So I'll have to hunt because I got the bow and arrows. I got a composite boat too.

I got a bunch of guns. You got a freezer full of elk. You're fine. Yeah. You got a bunch of goat balls in the freezer out of right. I'm just like, if this really happened, it's just like the sustainability of it just sounds bad. Because at some point, people are just going to be on top of each other trying to like take what everyone else has. You know what I've always tried to.

We don't make it hot. That's the big problem. You know what I've always wanted to do? Maybe you're the person to do it with because you have like a brand brain is like we need to update the first aid kit. Interesting. Wait, what is it missing? A cell phone charger? External battery.

Charger. An antenna. Wow. Like athletic greens. I don't know. Like, I don't know. Magic mind. Magic mind.

Promocode Whitney. Not raw talk. That's so funny. You know what I was like, I know the woman from Shark Tank a little bit. And I'm like, someone needs to update this. By the way, tampons, condoms. I don't know. Just like stuff we would, Viagra, whatever we would need today, first aid kit.

Like, for real. Pocket night. It's just Viagra. The whole thing. You open it up and you open it up in horror. It's just all Viagra. And you're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, he didn't bring anything else.

Cyanide, you know, I don't know. EpiPen. Yeah, EpiPen. Well, it's like so you're taking. Bad salts. Well, there's like a first aid kit. And it sounds like you're talking like end of the world kit. Both.

Right, right, right. First aid kit. He's right. He's right. I think we could update both with a sick package. You do one package that fits on your motorcycle. So when you do need to get out when it's World War. three you actually have shit with you you know what I mean yeah otherwise you're just the person everyone's gonna eat you need solar for sure you need like a little solar generator there's there's

there's a company listening to this now who who can't set us just like me I did it why don't you Google something or no they're just like we're gonna go do that and not yeah they're just gonna create that package yeah we can bring some of your toys do you think do you do you think we go there yeah the toys aren't gonna fucking help you think it ever gets so point whatever shit ever really hits the fan it seems like we're just going that way I think I think shit's going to hit the fan is my guess in a really rough way and I think it's going to it's something we've seen before.

Text, do you, are you like Jamie on Rogan? Do you like Google things? Yeah. Oh, great. Could you Google the alien radio? Oh, I want to pee. Go in the 20s. I'm not going to go while he's going. Oh, sorry.

Oh, stop acting like men don't pee together in one room with their dicks out. Alien radio show hoax. I think it was like 1920s? Oh, yes. Am I getting this right? Yeah.

War the Worlds. Yeah, War of the World. People killed themselves. Like, people killed their family. That's right. So this was like a radio show, right? Was Halloween episode of a radio series, The Mercury Theater on the Air directed narrated by Orson Welles.

That was my guess. I thought it was wrong. As an adaptation of H.G. Wells is the novel The War of the World. So it was performed in broadcast live at 8 p.m. on October 30th, 1938 on CBS Radio Network. The episode is famous for inciting a panic by convicting convincing, I sorry, I can't see, some members of the listening audience that a Martian invasion was taking place through the, though the scale of panic is disputed as the program had relative to the field. So I think that there will be a mass panic as a result of an AI image

or a, you know, chat GPT video or something. I think this is the War of the World's broadcast in that in 1938 and incited a panic, but it was fiction. but people conflated it with news. I think what will happen is a, you know, a fake video, an AI generated thing. Something is going to incite a panic that, whether it's by accident, whether it's real.

I think we're like on the verge of this. This is kind of like the beginning of the COVID thing. And everyone's buying fucking toilet paper, that sort of, but on a different scale. But yeah, different scale, different. Yeah, like obviously what we're talking about is like way scarier as far as like people.

fighting for resources but I think that that stuff's going to happen and we're going to see it not as like a nationwide thing we're going to see it in little pockets of like lower class areas are going to have this problem and we're going to be like oh do you hear what's happening in that town and so people can separate themselves in Pleasantville thinking that like that's not going to affect them in their class society also Kent State Massacre like they sent like you know, they sent government troops against citizens. Like, I don't I'm not going to speak for any of these

administrations. Like, you know, the current one is already like trying to censor in a way that is really wild. And I do think that with what's going on with the economy, people have very little to lose right now and they're online all day looking at images

that may or may not be real. I think we're like at the precipice of truly not being able to know what we're looking at. And someone can easily, some, by the way, some dork that's making a mistake. So, you know, we used to, you know, I didn't do this, but, you know, people call in bomb threats when they're 15, 16, you do docs people, you do dumb shit. We used to print call people.

We used to egg people's houses. Like this new generation of teenagers are just going to be like, let's make this fake video that looks like people are at war in Toledo. Yeah. And it's going to go out and people are going to be like, what the fuck? I'm, you know, it might just be some shit like that. Yeah, like the biggest, the biggest thing is almost like what's actually true. Now is, is like.

This incited a mass panic. And 1938, people started like killing their. family members and, you know, they thought they were going to war. So I think that, you know, we're going to see something crazy or went after the election like, I don't know, man. Yeah. It looks a little. A lot of people are going to be very unhappy no matter what happens in November. Yeah. You know. It's just it, it, yeah, like I said, it just seems like we're just coming to this weird point of what's actually true and what the government wants us to think or believe is like is it real is it not and then when you talk about like you said the current

administration talking about oh you know so and so it's a privilege to be able to say this on this social media platform crazy the kamala said that right crazy it's fucking insane yeah Kamala said it's a privilege uh to be able to have X or yeah for Elon must to be able to say what he's saying on that platform because like it could be misinformation then it then the question is like well information for who and for what. And it's just like it's a very weird thing that like they're teetering on there should be consequences for this, which is like, that's just like, well, at what point is it just because it's not agreeance with what you want people to be in agreeance with is that we saying that this is in misinformation or wrong. And it's like that's scary

as fuck no matter what side you like or don't like when that concept lies on you. And it's like, what the fuck is going on? How are we getting there? How are we really getting there? It's And then look, and then look, it's like, you know, I think that we, you know, I remember reading the newspaper, like, I was like a dork about reading the newspaper at a very young age. And I remember there were two sections in the newspaper. I grew up like around D.C., Virginia. And it was like there was like the news. And then there was like opinion pages. Yeah.

You know, it would like specify the difference. Looking back, you know the news was also on some level supervised. For sure. It was like it was probably all opinion. And that was like a false kind of choice. But I, you know, look, I do think that it would be nice. to know, like, what someone's opinion is versus someone like Alain Musk is, like, so smart that if he does say something that isn't true or is, you know, whatever, like, you're like,

well, it must be true because he's so smart. He does have this such incredible influence. Like, and I like Alamask, like, I, you know, I know a lot of people hate him. I think people are just mad at everyone who's rich and successful right now. But I think that I don't know if it's because he has all these kids or, I mean, he only dates aliens. I mean, the women he dates, their eyes are very far apart. Like, it's fine.

everyone's got their thing but he um where am i going with this i've really like lost my ability to stay on topic because i still want to make sure that i get back to your question about the ancestral trauma thing but like he remember when he said that like we're running out of people he was like we have a population issue and it's he's the only it's only like billionaires that are like we're running out of people only the people that like buy products and make them rich but also But, like, Alon Musk, like, you only fly private. Like, you think there's a population decline because you don't see people. You fly private.

Like, go to LAX. Like, go to. No, I think he's basing it off of numbers. Yeah, he's basing it off of, I think he's basing it off of numbers. Birth rates are going down. Way down. Birth rates are going down. This is good news to everyone else, right?

They need to. They need to go down. I don't know. Because we got more people, we got more people and more people and more people. Only. And so the birth rate for this many people. But if you have a. business that sells to this many people is a problem for a billionaire. It's not a problem for

most people. Most people are like, yeah, less competition for jobs. Great. But like billionaires, like Bill Gates, like, we need more people because we need to vaccinate more people because I'll get even richer. And you're like, how many people, or they need workers, you know, that's kind of like, you know, or they need voters or they need whatever. So it's like, I think most people are like, yeah, I'd like to import the, we can just get all the immigrants to come in. We don't need import that. They're skipping over here happily. So it's like, I think most people are like, the problem is there's too many people we can't get to work the traffic is too bad like we can't i feel like we're but we're probably isolated thinking l.a um i i because this can't be it's not that crazy everywhere

no way that like totally i think all major cities but i don't know that many people are like you know what the problem is we need more people you know i don't know i think that's what drug companies want i think that's what people with corporations want but in general do you think there's not enough people or that we're in a yeah i couldn't i if i just went off of data and just the amount of people working like less pollution less especially if ai is going to take over like the less people we have the less people that are going to lose their jobs like i think until we figure out whether people can actually sustain you know life i mean you i have lots of family members that have jobs that could easily be replaced by i you know and you just go like well i mean looking out i mean this is not just

LA, we were just in Phoenix, and there's these self-driving wayhos, we-hoo's. Yeah. Wawa. What? What? Waymo. Wait, the self-driving Uber. Ubers. Self-driving. Waymo? Waymo is what it's called. Just hop in a car. He's fucking Silicon Valley

nerds, man. Like, you losers, they are just, we dude, we should have bullied them harder. The fact that we stopped bullying the nerds is why the world is, we should have left them in those fucking lockers where they belonged. I knew you were a bunch of psychopaths. I knew you were a bunch of

psychopaths. I knew we shouldn't have started feeling sorry for you. Like they now are just, we're taking everybody's job. They're bringing back woolly mammoths. They're like, just because humans didn't like you because you're a dork, you need to replace them all with something you can control so you can make it like you. You losers. And so now there's like postmates.

There's people I know that were just like picking up extra cash on the pandemic with postmates. And now it's replaced by some stupid little fucking robot. And they put the little eyeballs on it on the front so that you feel bad for it. so that you're not just like kicking it over right yeah totally and uh and so you feel bad for these things and that's exactly what's gonna fuck us that's the other thing i don't think i don't think it's going to be that the robots destroy us i think we're going to destroy each other protecting our robots because we've developed like an emotional oh my god i guess i'm telling you dude we're fucked yeah we're oh we're fuck but we will adapt i mean it is kind of the next stage of

evolution like if you look at it that way that sounds savage but it also is like calculators like this happened with calculators. Like there's like a ways the car. Like I mean, you know, I don't know who was telling me this, but a lot of colleges, they are okay with chat GPT helping write papers because they're saying it's the next stage of human intelligence. But also China's doing it. It was your fans.

We have to do it. We can't be like, we're not going to do this because this is ethically wrong. It's like, if China's doing it, we have to do whatever they're doing. I'm so dumb. I'm so scared of AI. Like, I'm just that guy. Like, I don't know anything. I just know I grew up watching Terminator and stuff.

Like I'm scared of AI. That's it. Whatever. Ninjas are cool. AI is scary. And I have a different take on AI when I'm talking to a friend who has dropped foot or has a medical issue that might be fixed via AI. Both my parents had strokes.

Oh, okay. I actually get it. They were in bed for 10 years. Both my parents had strokes. I mean, that would probably be my argument against. I'm like, guys, why are you helping them talk? I feel like there's going to be so many people that have parents who are nonverbal because of a stroke

and like, please don't tell them about this. But like, I think that's the thing. I think that when we get negative about AI, we have to, and look, I'm a comedian. I'm always going to take a contrarian view, just always, whether I kind of believe it or not, I'll like go, oh, like, I did a whole special about robots and, like, that they could be a good thing, you know?

Sex robots, specifically. And everyone was so negative about the sex. robots, but it's like, let's just hold, like, hold on. Let's see what they have to say about it. Hold on. Like, you know, there are, I think, some benefits to it. I did a whole special about it, so I'm not going to repeat myself. But I do think that, like, you look at, like, it's mostly for medical stuff. You know what I mean? People that have strokes, people that can't see, you know, they can see, you shit like that, you know, it's like. Yeah, I just feel like at some point, like, I just go, okay, where do we go to the farthest degree? And essentially, we're robots at some point,

or part robot human. I think we already, aren't we not, we're not, we're not already. Well, yeah, with the phone, right? But imagine when it's implanted. Imagine when something's wrong and you just have a robot replacement. And then at what point are we just robots? And then like nothing matters. You see what I'm saying? I do.

Because you get to a point where if we are that far along the way, it's everything's nautistic. It just is because we're robots and what actually matters at that point. Right. Yeah, it's fascinating. I mean, I do think that like it helps me to just go like everything's Darwinism. Like everything's Darwinism. Like when I see people fighting online, just wasting their life, just adrenalizing themselves

endlessly, you know, losing their jobs because they, people are like, are you just tweeting all day? Whatever. It's like, I guess this is just Darwinism, you know? It's like the drafts that didn't have long necks died, you know. So it's like, okay, like we'll just see the people that adapt to AI, either they're going to live longer, the people that go, you know what, I'm going to go live in the country and like, you know, have my own chickens and shit, which I want to do.

Like, we'll see. Or they'll just be two worlds, you know? I think they're going to people that say like, no thanks, we're going to go do this. Like, and there's going to be people that go like, we do this. You know, it's going to be, remember that movie, the village with the Mnichaman movie with Bryce Dallas Howard and you think it takes place in like the 1600s? It's like Amish community. Yeah.

And there are these like monsters in the woods and she gets past the monsters and it's present day. You know, it's like we go like, oh, Amish people are still using like horses and carriages and making their own milk. Maybe we'll just be Amish in 10 years. I see what you're saying. Like we're going to be comparatively. If you have a laptop, you're like an Amish person. The older you get, the more like that appeals to you.

Totally. You're like, live in the, live out there. That's so true. So fucking true. I spend a year making a chair. Kind of into it. That's it. That's it.

And then I think that also like a lot of these skills are going to be even more valued. I think it's going to turn into that, you know, like being able to just like have an interesting conversation, not being a robot, you know, doing stand-up comedy, skateboarding, all these things like once everybody can do. do it with machines. I think being able to do it without machines. It's like the way I look at like people that make like stained glass. What? What? They have these like incredible skills. Like I think that the kind of stuff we do will oddly become like more valued in a way.

Right. You know. You don't think it'll just like like for example, like a robot can just do stand-up comedy and just erase comics. I mean, I did a special a couple years ago. It's called Can I Touch it? and I made a robot of myself. Do you want to, hey, text, pull it up. When you come, he just do a robot. And I had a robot built at this place called Robotics. They make sex robots. And what I wanted to do is really talk about, like, what it means for humans that

we're so into robots, you know? Just go to images, maybe. And I got kind of fascinated. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. I got kind of fascinated by this. I brought on Rogan, like, she was on the rich. and show. She was on Jimmy Kimball.

Wait, when Rogan was here, right? When Rogan was here. Okay, I was like, you didn't fly with that thing. No, no, no, no, no. I flew to New York, though, was wild. I had to put her head in a box and shipped her in a coffin. And I got obsessed with the idea of like, I would love to be replaced. Like, I would love to have a robot that can just go on tour as me. And I just sort of was like, let me just go all the way down with this. Because I don't want to undercook this, you know, premise. I'm doing all these jokes about what it means. Oh, there's

Lex Freeman. She was on the Lex Freeman podcast, the one where she's bald, the second I wrote down to the fur, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, let me just dig into this. And I got it made just so I go through the whole process and understand who was ordering them. I was, like, in the chat rooms. I got my face molded, my teeth.

They made my eyes, the whole thing. And then I was like, oh, this is probably to be such a shitty robot because they're all so ratchet. And, like, the technology's, like, not there yet. It's going to be some, like, hot scarecrow. And I was like, I'll just use it for press. I'll use it for promo. And then they made it.

And it was, like, wild. Like, she talks. She's, you know, machine learns. She can talk to you. Soon, her eyes can be cameras, so she'll recognize you. She'll be able to go like, oh, Bradley, good to see you. Haven't seen you in a week. We're going to order dinner.

Do you want Chinese again? And she can order food. Like, her head's basically the internet. You know, it's chat, you be tea or whatever. And I got kind of fascinated. And so she ended up being in the show and she did do kind of jokes at the end, like, stand up. It was awful. But, like, you know, that was, you know, a couple years ago.

and it was funny because it was like bad and weird. I think people are always going to want to go see things that are bad and weird and have like some very similitude. Like there's something creepy about it. It's called the Uncanny Valley. Like I am obsessed with the hologram Whitney Houston show in Las Vegas. I would rather go see the hologram than Whitney Houston. Like I love celebrity impersonators.

When I see a celebrity impersonator, I'm oddly starstruck, but I see the celebrity and I'm like, whatever. Like there is something, you know, about it's John Bodryadist's philosopher, about the simulacra, You know, it's like the Paris Las Vegas, you know, things that are simulated of the real thing. You're into that. Have oddly become just fascinating. You know, guys, I think women have a different relation with robots. You know, guys have something called pathogen avoidance, which is whenever a guy would see my robot, they'd be like, like, like, like, creep them out.

And I'm like, what? It's just a, like, you know, like we have dolls, we have baby dolls, girls have Barbies and all that shit. But guys have something called pathogen avoidance, which is, you know, the, you know, survival instinct to you guys evolved, basically, to be revolted by anything that looked sick or dead so that you don't fuck it. Or eat it. Or eat it. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when guys see like a hot robot and they're like, it's like that, that's how you evolved, honestly, because anyone that did have sex with that, something that, you know, 2,000 years ago looked like kind of sick.

or dead, had some kind of disease, you know? Yeah. And, or was necrophilia, whatever it was. So it's, like, interesting. I don't get scared of it. I don't think it's weird. I think it's oddly, like, fascinating, you know? And I think that the only problem, I think, not only, I don't know enough about it,

but the problem right now with robots. And I, again, say this will love of my heart, not playing the gender card here, because gender's not real. Okay. Oh, my God. I kind of, hot take. I mean, I made a movie called The Female Brain. So you see why I'll shut up.

So where did I go? I just got so worried about getting canceled. I feel like your fan base is going to be with me on this. No, they're fully with you on this. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good. They are making a male robot for women called Henry. Oh, his name's Henry.

Wow. But anyway, so I built this robot. I got kind of fascinated. Will they come replace us? I think that anything, and I truly mean this, and maybe this is my 12-step training of like step three as everything's happening exactly as it should, I think every improvement that happens in society

just makes us have to get better at the thing we're doing. And sometimes negative things. So people like cancel culture is not suck for comedians. You can't say anything anymore. It's like, no, I like the challenge. I have to be smarter. I'm not going to be lazy anymore. It's also really stupid for comedians.

It's also not real. It just makes us bigger. But it's the worst, like, thing to even try to put in that space. The biggest comedians were canceled. Shane Gillis and Tony Hinchcliffe. It's like, will someone cancel me so I can do arenas? But that's the whole, like, one of the biggest parts of comedy is to go at the things that are like, don't talk about that.

That's what we do. That's the whole point of it. We don't need you guys to all of us. We need a million people to make 20 million a year. Most of the people that hate us are just like our best public says. They've been. So it's like when people try to cancel us, I'm like, you're helping the people you think you're getting rid of it's like how do you not see that you know also if you think like you know

I don't know the causation causality thing I know there was like something about uh fast and furious whenever those movies come out there's like more car accidents or something like comedians like I didn't know that but that's funny that is funny I didn't know that either it makes sense though no motorcycle the new fast and the furious got out so it's like if someone is going to change their behavior or do something evil because of something a comedian said they're already so dumb that they're going to do something terrible. Like it's not the, you know, it's not a direct causation. Like, you know, people enter into watching comedians knowing that they are silly gooses

who are just trying to make people laugh. And anyone who's like, oh, yeah, something Tony Hinchcliffe is going to make me go commit a hate crime. It's like, that person was going to do it anyway. A hundred percent. You know what I mean? That's not Tony's fault. It was like to blame everyone for their own fucking problems. Yeah, if anything, all the people that were going to act out are coming to a comedy show,

getting the catharsis and they're going to now behave themselves. because they got that taboo, like, you know, thing at, it's scratched. That's what the roast do. It's like, let's all get in a room and say the craziest thing and be bad. So then we don't have to go do that in our personal life, you know? It's like, but yeah, do I think robots are going to place comedians? I mean, maybe the bad ones. Yeah.

I just, I don't, it just seems like it's too human, like comedy's too human. Yeah, I don't. I think. It'd be so, like, the relatability, the nuances of life, it's like, how does a robot even, even, you'd have to spend, I don't know how many years. to really understand it. And also robots, like they can't, like, and I, again, I made that movie called The Female Brain.

Um, Guberman, uh, ask him about the specifics, but, you know, men just don't read faces the same way. Women can. We can read all these micro expressions. It's like, because we had to evolve to keep ourselves really safe and be able to read every little thing. I had to walk in here and go, is that a Christmas tree wreath? Am I safe?

Whatever. Whereas you guys like, is he a psychopath? Yeah, exactly. Could I have to fight any of these motherfuckers? Like, you guys don't need to be able to, you know, so. Yeah, the first, the first thing she said to me was like, was, was, basically like, you might beat me in a street fight. Well, no, I was like, are you having me on this pod? Because I'm the only person you can beat in a street fight. It was a joke that

totally bombed with you. Yeah, it's okay. But Rogan brought you up once about this. Like, Rogan's talked about this, that you kind of just like trash talk MMA fighters. It's a ballsy move. Not even. I never even did. Like it was it. Rogan's talked about me a few different times, a few different situations. Um, that's specifically one. That was, he was talking. I think it was about Mighty Mouse and like wrestling or June jiu-jitsu against them or some shit. but yeah I just like originally it started with Nate Diaz I was interviewing Nate Diaz and like I just randomly asked him the question I watched it and it was amazing because I just I just wanted to because like I had asked Devin Haney before who's a boxer and that one I was like

oh I asked it it went really viral I was like let me try again with Nate Diaz and then it went even more viral and like I knew it's like I'm not thinking I'm going to beat Nate Diaz and a street fight I just want to see his reaction I love what you're doing and it was funny it was really Wasn't he like, yo, you're a podcaster? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a podcaster, brother. I love that because I think most people go like, I could do that. Oh, for sure.

You know that my obsession, like we were watching the Olympics, I think that every Olympics, I'll watch like the runners, I'll watch something. No. No, no. And I'll be like, okay, I could do that. Because there's no comparison. 13th lane. We want a 13th lane that's just a regular.

So that you have something to compare you're getting fucking smoked, but I just need to see that to know. I can't tell like like a pretty athletic dude, but not a professional. Someone that's like if I tried harder, I could do this so that you have like a context reference. Because everyone's running so fucking fast that they all just look like they're running any like fine. You can just go to a track and try it and time it. You're going to be like, oh, I'm slow. Yeah, but I just want to have a comparison. Worried about myself. So it's like I would like to see a match between a regular person and Nate D. as before the real fight to go like, oh shit. Like when two people are so good, like you don't really know how good they are until you put a realer civilian in the mix. And for me, the funny part is like the fact that I'm like a bigger guy. There's that, oh, there's always that like, oh, maybe just because he has the size or he has like the muscle, like the visible difference. Totally.

And they go, oh, maybe it could. Even though most people know, okay, no. But there's still that whole group of people are like, who knows? I also think there's something fascinating and primal about in, you know, I brought it up early when I asked him like, hey, what do you think about? And he was like, if I could fight that guy. I do think that every like men, you know, cool ones, whatever, useful ones, kind of any time, you know, they say anytime you walk in a room, you're ascertaining where you are in the pecking order. Part of the reason that Instagram and everything is so toxic for us because we follow usually high status people and we constantly assess where we are in the pecking order. And we're constantly the low. lowest, the lowest. The lowest. Yeah. You go on Instagram because it's always, you know, you're following Rogan and, you know, Jocka Will or whatever.

Right. And so I think there's something fascinating about just like, can I fight this guy? Can I fight this guy? And even like for you to just say that because I think, I mean, you know, Shob, like when Shob is out in public, people like, yeah, I used to, I used to fight. It's like, he's like, people just want to fight me. And they're like figuring out how they would do it, what the things are. I mean, him, like, he's, you know.

the best street skater, I don't know, ever. That's what other people say, that no skating. I might be a little biased. But I literally had a skateboard and I was like, this is not hard. I mean, I do it too, where you're kind of like, I could do that. I think what's interesting about the fighting thing. And it's really funny and brilliant that you did that is because there are so many people who truly do kind of believe, like, I've been in a couple street fights.

Like, I can hold my own. And you'll see them like, you'll see a dude that has like so many streets. knockouts get in the ring with an actual boxer and just get manhandled and it's and it's wild but like because like as a dude been in a couple fights like there's a little bit of a primal like you already kind of know how to do something whereas it's like throwing a javelin like I don't know if I could throw a javelin or pole vaulting like well I've never done that but like in fighting you see them and you kind of have that instinct and you're like I could you know maybe still assessing these other. I just love it in a day where we have houses and cars and guns and bows that you're

still like, okay, how the, and I hate fighting. It's just like, that's the other thing. I don't hate it. I know, but it's like, it's so wild to me. I was, it's the most primal thing. I love it. I was texting. It's like how we do. Like, you see another girl and you're kind of like, okay, got it. Like, we just, we're constantly taking inventory of like, is her ass bigger than my, is their tits, our lip spirit? Like, it's totally subconscious. Like, it's totally not even, and I think it's probably on some level, like, is she more fertile than me? Is she competition? You know? Like, it's, it's not like catty, petty consciously. It's just like, okay, noted, noted, got it. Like, I, you know, and I just fascinated by those sort of subconscious thoughts and in motivations.

But Rogan, I was texting with him about, I don't know what, but it was something about, you know, oh, it was the school shooters that I just, we want to demonetize this, right? We don't want to. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. School shooter, something about like a couple, some school shooters were transgender, whatever it was. Yeah. And people, the media wasn't covering it as much because it would look transphobic or something. Right. And I was just thinking about it.

I was like, okay, so like, I don't know, 130 years ago, you two, if you were from different places, would fight in a field with swords. I mean, we're- insane. We're fighting each other. fighting, killing each other. Yeah. You know what I mean? And now we're too afraid to hurt a murderer's feelings. Like, isn't it wild to think?

Like, I mean, children worked in factories. Like, we are deeply savage. Like, children working in factories was very recent, you know? And there's still whatever's trafficking and all that kind of shit. Like, the fact that we're this civilized, you're always like, this is so wild. Like, I'm trying to write a bit about this. We talk about how, like, divided we are as a nation. It's like, I feel like we get along pretty well.

But it feels fragile and it feels like tissue paper like in the front. Like when you see someone like freak out in traffic at someone else, you're like that guy, that's right. That guy gets it. That's true. Like we're all behaved so well. You know, when you see a fight on a plane, you're like, how does that not happen every flight? You know what? Actually, this was something I was going to ask you.

Yeah. Have you ever met somebody or seen somebody at the gym or something? like that that's like like straight up like scary where you're like dude that's a fucking scary person like yeah normally it's it's probably you're huge yeah oh yeah I mean

there's definitely dudes like like when the strong men show up like who I can I tell you something about that though really quick those are never the men that worry me meet and greets I have all the security if someone like you walked up they'd be like you okay men that are strong they don't have anything to prove in my experience

so they're actually the gentlest giants and the ones you don't have to worry about it's those scrawny short guys that have something to prove they have to worry about yeah but i think it's more of like we're we're assessing that thing of like if if this person decided he wanted to he wanted yeah this person yeah this person wants this person wants to take my girlfriend or this person wants to fight me he's faster i can't run away he's bigger like he's stronger and you're kind of like I don't know

I have to like outsmart him I gotta like be clever like I don't know that was interesting and what you did with that I listened to I think it was you and Shab talking

about you're like no I just want to like lay on them I just want to because I love this too because my theory about how I could beat an MMA fighter is like I would just fuck with them psychologically you know what I mean like there's this amazing

like how I mean I know Mike Tyson did this lot but there's this amazing scene in a horrendous move. Not horrendous, it's just horrific. Like, I don't know why people want to watch this, but I did called The Changelangling with Angelina Jolie, where her son gets kidnapped and captured by some horrible pedophile in the 20s or something. And this genius actor, Jason Butler Harner, he was in Ozark. He's on something now.

He's such an incredible actor. And he was the pedophile guy, and he was in a room with Angelina Jolie. The guy's taken her son, raped him, killed him, whatever. and she gets in his face and screaming at him and she goes into fight him and hit him and he goes into kiss her and it like throws her like he just improvised it in the scene or whatever

but like that's the kind of shit like if I'm in the ring with someone I'm just gonna like pull your tits out or something else to throw them but I love that you were like no I just sit on him and shop was like he just won't be there for you to sit on yeah like you know what I'm saying

he'll get your ankles or whatever you know what I mean but that's something that is And these conversations you've had have helped me really understand how different, you know, those guys are and to really like appreciate it. Do you think that, oh, they're so different? Do you think that, um, MMA is our Roman Coliseum? A hundred percent, yeah.

I mean, it's like the closest thing you can get to that without, like, killing. I mean, obviously, and some people die in that sport, you know, people can die. Just like in boxing, you could die as well. Isn't it kind of like, it's, it's like watching NASCAR, like, Like, you are kind of waiting for a crash. Most people, I think, are. Like, that's the... But, like, it's like you don't want anyone to die.

You're just like, what's going to happen? You want to see a yard sale, and then the person get out, and, like, they fire extinguisher of the car, and they're just like, well, I'm good. Yeah, but, like, it just makes you realize how, like, deeply primordial are in Savage we are, just, like, watching NASCAR? Yeah, we're not that far. Because I remember, like, being with a bunch of people and they're watching NASCAR, and I'm like, are you guys just, like, watching traffic and, you know? and then we started talking about it and they're like oh yeah i guess we're waiting for something to go wrong it's like a hockey you're waiting i'm waiting for a fight like that is so dark yeah and hot it is yeah i mean and then it is weird how you you you put it next to the fact

that we just can't say certain things and it's like oh we're tiptoeing around like we're it's so the position is so weird for humans now and the internet and it's how like well that's the doors. I mean, yeah. Well, jocks and nerds still, it's very bifurcated, I feel like. And now the jocks have podcast and the nerds are on Twitter being like, you're problematic. Yeah. I wonder if it like ever finds more synergy or if it's just always going to have this weird, just different platforms to be like, you're bad. I'm good. Like I feel like we've always had this though. Like, again, maybe this is the comedian point of view. Like we've always had it, you know, like there's always good versus evil and in every movie how does evil masquerade as good as good right so to me the people

that are the most ostensibly good and wholesome and you know activists and stuff I'm like if I was a bad person that's how I would behave yeah if I was a bad person the first thing I would do is start a charity so that no one would think I was a bad person yeah you know I mean like anybody that's like I'm better than you here's my black square here's I'm going to stop Asian hate yeah how come they're not posting about this. I'm like, what's in your closet? What kind of skeletons are in your closet that you feel the need to? Do you think people are starting to miss that that's probably a reality? Because like you say that and I agree with that. And I think like a lot of people out there think no, they got to be good. Like they miss it. Some of them are. Like I mean,

you know, but I think that I think it's kind of about this God-shaped hole at this point where less and less people have a religion. And I'm not saying, you know, like less and less people have God in their life, not saying what religion anyone should have or any of that. But when religion goes away, I think that need for order, that need for knowing some people are good and will behave. Yeah. You know, because it used to be religion was like, love your neighbor, don't steal your neighbor's wife, golden rule. Like there were all these kind of, whether people were following them or not, there was kind of a code of conduct. Yeah. And now people are like, God is, don't fuck with God. And now all of a sudden it's like, how do we make sure there's some

kind of code of conduct? So there's not complete chaos. I guess we all just need to bully people and you know like try to institute some kind of like righteous um way of living so maybe that's how they feel safe or that's how they have like purpose because there's a god size hole that i think is really like making people like lack purpose and you think if there's less people going towards religion now then i feel like there was something where i saw that it was going the other direction maybe like tucker or something was talking about that um i don't know the answer to that the same the population thing, I just, I don't know the answer, but I see it. I think that what I observe is more people with these replacement religions that they think is like better, superior,

less, you know, if they think religion is ignorant, now their thing is like, I worship crystals. And I'm like, so you thought Jesus was dumb. But you're literally charging rocks in the, like, are you, soul cycle, they're like spin class, like doing these spin classes. Yeah, it's tribalism. It's $65 with a bunch of Hollywood publicists being like, I'm saved. Like, Beyonce is my hero. It's like, that's same same. You know what I mean? Well, it's tribalism.

It's going to yoga and then telling everybody about how you go to yoga. And being the biggest asshole in the Whole Foods parking lot. It's always the people with yoga mats. Yeah. It's like, I'm better than you because I do yoga. And CrossFit is probably one, is my guess. like people yeah yeah for a while the cross-fit thing was like pretty well yeah i do cross-fits it's like okay bro yeah but it's like church you go every morning you see your people a lot of it is like

social you know like church like growing up and also to be anti-religion i think is actually very elitist because like i'd have to go to church growing up because you would need a place to drop your kids that you know what i mean now looking back at catholic church was the worst place to drop your kids not girls i was fine um and so i think that like we're all looking at for like meaning and purpose and like you know or maybe you know I think we treat different things like religion or try to you know fill the god size hole you know and a lot of you know other kind of ways I think we're making technology God a little bit right now yeah heavily worshiping at the altar of Jeff Zucker so so you think you think people have always been

just like I'm better than you because like what you're not what you're saying you're not saying that specifically but I mean now the the god size hole and the people are creating these like little sort of you know the yoga or like the little tribal type things that they're like oh this is what i do this is what i believe in and then now i seem maybe it's just a twitter thing but it's like there's this relationship to that and then to whatever someone else is doing like oh i'm better even in relationship to going back to like the black square or the asian hate whatever this like oh you're racist you're this or that and it's like i'm great and i do this for these people and there's this whole like i'm better than you and you should do

what i'm doing yeah right right you know i think my answer to that might be circuitous, but I'll just start with what I understand to be true, which is, like, we evolved to meet, like, 50 people in our lifetime. You know what I mean? Like, we're, this whole thing where you're, like, have access to millions of people or, like, see, you know, thousands of people in a mall or some shit like that. It's, like, we're designed to live in these, like, smaller tribes, you know? And so another tribe was met war.

We're fighting for resources. I think it's a primordial thing of, like, you know, know, you're an Eagles fan, you're a Cowboys fan. Like, we're fighting for resources. You know, I think that that's what it, like, ultimately goes down to, you know? There's this, you know, Calcio Storico in Italy. Calcio Storco, if you want to pull it up, text. Calcio Storico, images, let's go.

It is football, but instead of tackling, it's bare knuckle boxing. And it happens once a year, and it's neighborhoods instead of teams. How do you spell it? C-A-L-O-S-T-O-R-I-C-O. Not exactly A store St-O-R-I-C-O There's no O

Calcio St-O-S-T-O-R There's no O in front of the S in the second word But it'll come up anyway Just go to images And these are These are not

Professional athletes These are butchers and cobblers And shoemakers Etceter It's like rugby? It's rugby but it's bare knuckle boxing Holy fuck this, where the fuck did they do this?

It's the same, dude. Florence, once you're, I'm dying to go. I'll go if you want to go next year. Go to videos, maybe, if you want to just see a video of it. These guys are in their 50s, they're in the drive. And it's neighborhoods. So it's uncles versus nephews. This is that long video.

Oh, no, go back, not this video. The first one is not the best one. I've never heard of this. Go to, uh, uh, hold on. Oh, wait, there's a four minute one. That's probably good. Right. But there we go.

But there's brutal game on earth. Right there. Up, up, up. Sorry, I liked the one before. This has to be it. Wow, you don't have YouTube premium. Neither one. Wow.

By the way, neither do I. Believe that rugby is not in a violence. The Calcio-Storico is ideal. A bloody team sport played not just by real man. Oh my God, bro. Oh, this looks fucking amazing. Dude, people just get dragged off constantly with injuries. In order to play Calcio, you don't need so much.

A 50 by 100 meters send even. Field in Piazza, Santa Croce in Florence. 54 healthy men and a bowl, like a basketball, stuffed with goat hair. Oh, my God. And we complain about the most basic bitch shit. They're signing up for this and they're not getting paid. While tournaments have not been canceled even during numerous wars. Was invented to entertain Kings, but they stopped doing it in the 1930s because too many people were dying.

You want to just skip forward a little bit? And they just brought it back. But even back then, though, it wasn't never with weapons. It was just with fists. Bare knuckle boxing, but people would die all the time. Tor. Then for assistant defenders, Dutori, three Dutoria deity close the defense. The task is to throw as many balls as possible over the edge of the fence from the opponent's side after each goal.

They're not just bare knuckle, they're like fucking M&A bare knuckle. Dude. They're fully. The only rule is no two-on-one. The only rule is no two-on-one. Or maybe it's no biting. We have to look that up. I might be wrong, because I just saw a couple people tackle one guy.

The most interesting feature of Calceo is its phenomenal cruelty in this game. Holy shit. It is an integral part of the performance. Moreover, it is possible and necessary to be not a person. How have I just heard of this? Dude. Which often turns the game into a bloody battle. There are no protective gear, gloves or helmets.

This is your ancestry, dude. Oh, this is fucking dope. You gotta go. The doctors to be present on the field. Damn, I want to go do this. If someone is knocked out or a player is seriously injured, the match does not stop. Nope. The beaten one is simply quickly carried off the field.

Substitutions in the game are not provided. Officially direct punches and kicks to the opponents had are not allowed. That's what it is. As well as three-handed one. But in the heat of battle, there is such a mass on the field that after each goal scored. Do you see the rest just squirting water at him? Wow. through their fingers.

There are other restrictions, those who are over 40, and those who have serious convictions behind them are not taken into the game. Can't be a serious criminal. You need to deliver the ball to the opposite end of the rectangular field in any way. In any way. In any way.

How did you find out about this? I was looking for a husband, and my Google searches led me to this. But this is fascinating because these guys sign up for it. There's also a great training video I'll send you where you see them training and their training gym has all x-rays of their broken bones from the year before. So sick. These guys, again, they're, you know, they're not, it's, I think, 45 on 45 and the ones that, you know, get hurt, just get taken out.

They don't get replaced. And they play over three days. So they play, the winner of this plays again tomorrow. And then I think it's three days. And the winner, the winning team gets a cow. So it is just for the love of the game. It is just for the violence. It is just for the.

And the month that this happens, violence in Florence goes down to zero. Because they're all busy. Yeah. Or exactly. Do we need to bring this back? We need this every city. That's what I'm saying. We need this every city.

So it's like we have MMA. It's kind of a catharsis for people. But just, you know, we have like mud runs and Spartan races and stuff like that. I'm sure this is what CrossFit was. You know, I think when we make fun of people like, Oh, then you cross with, they fucking lift. Like, you know, the, and maybe this will loop back to the ancestral trauma. Like, what you're built to do, like, these guys are like, we're built to fight wars

and we don't have wars anymore. So we need to just, like, get this out, you know? Yeah. We need to bring this, we need this in every city. That's what I'm saying. This would be fucking crazy. You know, because I wanted to, and I actually pitched this to somebody once, and it was like this investor that thought it was an amazing idea, but there were going to be too many lawsuits.

I wanted to do Grindr for bar fights where, like, you could just be like, Oh shit, there's a fight at the bar mile away. Let's fucking go. Notifications on. You could just go and just like, just. What the fuck? Yeah, I do think that there's like a primordial need for this, but this is what you come from.

Do you know where in Italy you're from? Sicily, visa. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, fascinating. Okay, so I think Sebastian has Sicilian as well. There's a lot of like mafia shit in that too. But the epitinetic imprinting, to your point about the ancestral trauma,

Once I did this movie about neuroscience that I made, it was based on the book, the female brain. And then I learned about epigenetic imprinting, which is like how, you know, the fears and stresses of the generation before you had ancestry imprints on your brain. So the simple way to say it is that, you know, in all these studies, when a mouse was electrocuted while smelling a cherry blossom, that mouse is offspring. When they would smell cherry blossoms, they would recoil to the other side of the cage, right? So people that have irrational fears of cliffs, snakes, this, that. It probably just meant your ancestors fell off cliffs. It probably just met your ancestors were killed with snakes. That's fucking insane.

I'm so afraid of heights. Oh, there you go. So like my feet tingle. That's wild. Tingle hard. I'm pretty afraid of heights. My ancestry is Appalachia, which makes a lot of sense. I don't like small spaces, but my ancestry is coal miners.

I hate small spaces. When you come from like the West Virginia Appalachia area, the ancestral trauma is like really intense. Like elevators stress me out, like being underground. I don't like going to underground parking garages and stuff like that. Like, it makes no sense to me, but my grandfather worked in a coal mine, you know? So whatever happened to your parents and your parents' parents, it goes on and on. Like, it is imprinted in your DNA. It makes total sense.

It's how, you know, your body keeps the next generation safe. I, you know, I am a horse person. I was sent away to live with my aunts in a place called Rona, Virginia, when I was younger because my parents, you know, weren't able to take care of me. And I spent most of my time with horses. But I, the carriage horse thing, it's like the New York carriage horses makes me apoplectic, like irrationally furious, nauseous, like I start shaking. I've never had panic attacks before.

I do something that's, I think, very nerve-wracking to most people for a living as a comic. When I see those horse carriages, like I sob. Like I remember I was with somebody, I was going to the David Letterman show, like walking. And I even just heard the clop, clap, clap of the horses. and I had to go into a museum on the upper side or whatever, and I was just sobbing. Couldn't stop sobbing. Couldn't stop sobbing.

Bizarre. You know? And yes, I love horses. I'm an animal person. I'm empathic. But like this is way more than that. It's too much.

And because it's sort of about how we carry the guilt and the shame of our past as well. You know, and so I went to this person, you know, I just was like, oh, I guess I'm just crazy. You know, I see horses being harmed and I'm just like this oversensitive emotional,

you know, because I love horses so much, it is abuse, whatever, race tracks, like all that shit really stresses me out. And I go to this person that does something called Family Constellation. I believe it is pseudoscience. You know, I do, but when someone's, like, right about something, I'm like, it kind of doesn't really matter why you're right, but it led me to this realization. So Family Constellation is sort of about looking at the guilt and the shame that you carry

from your ancestors past mistakes or things that they've done. Yeah. And you inherent their, whatever you want to call it, sins, fears, guilt, shame, whatever. And I do this family consolation thing. I'm just kind of like at a little bit of a rock bottom with like I'm doing 12 step programs. I had this woman come into my house, get all the chemicals out of my house. Like it was like migraines, all that kind of stuff. I was trying to, you know, figure it all out.

Yeah. Someone like gifted me this session. And, you know, she's, you know, she said, you know, you carry the guilt of your great, great, great, great, great. grandfather. Like, there's unfinished business here. And I'm like, so what did he do? She basically asked. And I was like, I don't know. Like, he was probably a drunk. Like, that runs in my family. He was like a drunk coal miner. Like, that tracks. Like, and he did something unforgivable. And I'm like, yeah, he probably cheated on his wife, probably hit his wife. I don't know. Like, that makes sense. And then she was like, well, look into it. And I call my uncle. And I'd have not, I've done no,

like, exploring of my past ancestry stuff. I was just like, I don't fuck with those people. I'm nothing like them. And then you move through life and you're like, ah, shit. I'm like them. You know, there's stuff in here. You can't relate. Apple, it doesn't fall that far. And so I call my uncle and I'm like, what's up with my great-grandfather? Like, what was he up to? And she's drunk, you know, died of cirrhosis. And I'm like, okay, I was right, you know? And I was like, like, who was he? Who was this guy? And he was like, well, he actually patented the, you know, what would it be? Patented the device that holds horse carriages together. But he was such a drunk and so bad at business that he was never able to get the patent and like start a

business, but he made it so horse carriages could actually function because they used to break apart. So he built this thing to make it so that horse carriages, like whatever the lock and hoop sort of thing is. Yeah. And the hitch, the hitch, maybe something like that. And it was like so wild that he was like, wait, so he's who like made horse carriages like a viable thing. And I knew nothing about it. And when I see horse carriages, I'm like, lose my mind. Maybe it's a coincidence. maybe everyone thinks they patented that. Maybe everyone was in the horse carriage business.

It's very specific. Who knows? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like when people look back and they're like, my uncle did this thing. You're like, everyone probably did that back then and thought that back then. Everyone probably thought they invented that. And I'm sure a couple people in every state did and were too drunk to follow through with it.

Whatever. So, but it was just this thing that like it's the thing that gets, you know. So that's when I started kind of looking into epigenetic imprinting. Well, I did before with the migraine thing. And then just sort of like, like, you know, being a stand-up, you know, so much of it is like, you know, the Jewish ancestral trauma and their coping and knowing Jewish people that have this like, you know, scarcity complex with the Holocaust that they inherited, you know, whether it's nature or nurture, I'm just really obsessed with the nature part of it. You know, they say like, you know, that, you know, like genetics loads, the gun environment pulls the trigger. like I'm just obsessed with like, you know, what was already programmed in me before I even, you know, came out of the wound because I do often feel these like wild forces like pulling me certain. But in the idea to like to understand it or to fix it or just to know it?

I think just as a just my brain like comic brain just like makes sense of it, you know, maybe and to I think that the more you are able to figure out your motives or you know what you got honestly, what is your fault. I just want to know what's my fault so I can fix it and then what's not my fault, you know? Like, I think it's just that. And I also think that, you know, yeah, I think that like self-examination, if it's not coming from a narcissistic place, you know, being self-aware is kind of what I do for a living, you know? So I just, the last thing I ever want to be is like have blind spots, you know, like, you know, when you see people that aren't self-aware, like, that's my nightmare. It probably roots in the fact that my number one fear is embarrassment.

And that's crazy. to be a stand-up comic, and that's insane. Well, they say you become a comedian to control how you're embarrassed. Like, I'll embarrass myself before you're able to do it, you know? I grew up the last name Cummings. Like, I, you know, I got a lot of it. But, like, you know, when you see someone that who's self-aware, like, not self-aware, like, it's like, that's my nightmare.

I get it. It's to, like, not understand myself on any level and just be this, like, unconscious, gloviating idiot. To, like, what degree? It's like, how much can you figure out? I know. I know. Yeah, but yeah, I think it's sort of like it's your responsibility like know yourself enough before you drag someone else into it, you know? For sure. Because like I do think I spend a lot of time and I think everyone does this in their 20s, you know, punishing other people

for things people in my past did, you know, of like you're abandoning me. Like adults can't be abandoned. You know, that's not a thing. You just feel abandoned. And you know, in my program they say if it's hysterical, it's historical. I just want to know what's historical so that I'm not being hysterical on someone that doesn't deserve it. Yeah. You know? Makes a lot of sense. I just, I think fairness is a big part of my value system and I never want to do

something that's unfair. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Fuck. How old are you? Excuse me? Yeah, disrespectfully asking. Are you out of your fucking mind?

I'm going to Google it. Can we pull that up? What the fuck? I love it. I love your reaction, dude. In what world? Yeah, you're actually mad, huh? I mean, it's on the internet.

Everybody knows. One to ten. I just turned 42. Okay. Fucking. You seem to have it figured out. Or figuring it out or at least caring enough to look at all the things to figure out. I also think that like, you know, I always knew I wanted a kid or kids.

And I did not want to be like, I think all of our parents had no tools, you know. They were all just doing what they saw or like the best they did with the very little. limited tools is we're the first generation that's even like, like considering, you know, therapy or any of that shit. I think we're kind of overdoing it with the medications and shit and doing this other, you know, kind of sick thing. But if you need to be medicated, I get it. I'm a prozac, but like, you know, I don't mean like pharma, but I think that it's my

responsibility to not pass this shit onto my kid, you know, as well, because I feel like I inherited so much of this shit and I spend so much of my time untangling the bullshit blueprint that I got from a bunch of sick alcoholics that I just, I want to make sure I'm, and also the job that I do for a living, like, you can stay immature forever and the audience will reward you for it, you know, but like the people that I looked up to, you know, George Carlin and these people, they were smart and they understood themselves and they weren't, you know, if you're unrealized, you're just going to like be a narcissist. I don't know. I just like to kind of like. You're going to be shitty for sure. Because you're unaware of how you are in situations.

your life like an unconscious zombie being like marionette doll operated by these past forces and then so you have a kid right and then the kid is also a part of someone else's whole entire lineage as well which is like how do you fucking unpack that my biggest fear is like my kid inheriting like alcoholic genes you know so it's like I had to get my self-control I also couldn't be alone with myself I couldn't I always had to move I always had to be doing something I always had to be solving someone else's problem I already had to I was like addicted to busyness and taking an action you know and I was like that's like me Why can't I fucking sit alone with myself?

You know, I can do it for public consumption. I can do it if it's being monetized with you. But it's like, why am I so afraid of my inner monologue? Like, what's going on in there? You know? So I had to learn to be friends with myself. And you can't be friends with someone that you don't like. And you can't be friends with someone who's like an unconscious mess.

And if I had any of the qualities of the parents that I didn't admire, I mean, I didn't like myself, you know? And so it's like, you know, all these like Instagram bullshit wellness, you know, cult shit that's just like love yourself like bitch how no one says how you know but then you learn like in order to build self-esteem you have to engage in esteemable actions you know so it's like being humble like building yourself up you know being of service to people like not being codependent people pleasing you know not mothering marty micromanaging like like i really wanted to build my self-esteem you know because insecure people are dangerous did that did that start more

later in your life or earlier? It started like around 26, 27. Both my parents had strokes and I had to take care of them. And it really all came like crashing down in terms of my like workaholism. My workaholism was working really well for me. You know? Yeah. It's like when you see someone with their Adderall addiction or their cocaine addiction,

you're like, it's working. Like, you know, you're going to hit a rock bottom at some point, but it works until it doesn't. So like, you know, I had wild like eating disorders and, you know, I was just, I felt very out of body. I just felt like I wasn't in my own body. I felt like I wasn't living my life. I feel like I was missing out on life. Yeah. Because I was, I'd wake up in the morning. I was like, gym, you know, you know, like, exactly like. Like, it was just like, exactly like me. I feel like I was being like pulled around. If those are the choices I actively make, like, I'm going to wake up. I want to go to the gym because I want to get healthier and like,

but that's great. But it was like, it was, I had to, not I wanted to. You know, and that's the definition of addiction, right? It becomes an obligation. It stops. being fun, you know? It's like doing something despite negative consequences. You know, I was isolating. I was, you know, um, so I, I wanted to, I watched my mom live that way. And I wanted to like live my life instead of like survive my life. Yeah. You know. Do you fucking, I think like most people never get to that point where they even consider any of their shit. I feel like a lot of people just live their life just completely like as it just happens and that's what it is. and that's what my life is and I'm a product of all my circumstances.

Yeah, and I just didn't want to look back later in life and be like, I don't remember any. I just like, why do you think you had that thought to like look at it instead of just go like, oh, this is just my life? It might have just been because I had so much neglect and I had to spend so much time alone with myself that I kind of had to examine, you know, myself. Maybe I also saw so many. I really studied entertainers. Like I am such a fucking tryhard.

Like I am, I studied. We were watching the, what? This is funny to say, I'm such a tryhard. I am. I'm a pick me try hard, okay? I love it. And if you're not successful, it comes off lame, but if you are, it's like, oh, you're self-aware.

Like, so all the pick me try-hards, like, stay there and you'll get, you'll make it. I don't think you're going to make it as not a pick-me try-hard. You know, I think that, like, you can't be desperate because that's repellent to people, but, like, I wanted to win. Like, I wanted to be great at something. Like, I come from sports. I'm a professional athlete, no big deal. you could do with the Olympics easy way better than me at basketball and by the way I could be

that 13th late yeah exactly but I you know my dad prized excellence that's the only way I got his attention like achievements were really big to him you know they you know I to get attention I did have to achieve a lot fine but I also knew like I have to get myself out of the situation like I have to become financially independent and the only way to do that is to be the best at something you do and I had a very like what is the point of being kind of good at something like I don't know, maybe it was just my OCD or, you know, I think that, you know, I went to David, the great David Agus, brilliant oncologist. He was like, Steve Jobs' doctor, that's the worst credit to give him.

But he's like, you know, just this amazing doctor, USC, Keck School of Medicine. And I went there because I think we're all so into over pathologizing ourselves at this point, maybe because of our overachievement stuff. But, you know, I went and I was like, look, I've been diagnosed with OCD and ADD and I have this and I can't pay attention to this and I get bored really easily and we need to, should I beyond something. And he's like, so you have OCD and you have ADD. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, are any of these things working for you? And I was like, it didn't even occur to me that some of these things are like superpowers. You know, so I just say that as I say all this.

I think, you know, the way that my mind works or whatever, I was just very much like, I didn't know how to do something at 80%. I didn't know how to do something at 90%. It was like, I have to. I didn't like myself if I wasn't. really good at it, you know? And if I wasn't good at something, I wanted to understand why, you know, but I studied great. It's like I was obsessed with Dennis Rodman, obsessed, obsessed, obsessed with Dennis Rodman because I love that he kind of had the most thankless position in a lot of ways and it wasn't the most glamorous and it wasn't the one where you get the most attention, but he figured out a way to somehow be the most entertaining. I remember watching him because I was

obsessed with basketball and I was watching him and I was like, why am I only looking at this guy? I'm not looking at Michael Jordan. I'm not looking at Scottie Pippen. Why am I looking at this guy. He had blue hair and cheetah print hair and he was wearing rings and he was so flamboy and he had the fucking lip ring and the whole thing. And I was like, this guy knows the assignment. He knows to be entertaining at all times. You guys will probably think this ironic because I'm probably being boring right now. But he was like, I was like, it is your job to be entertaining. Not cool, not like cool guy. He was just like, I'm here to entertain you at all costs. And like, there's something really vulnerable about that to just be able to be like, I want

your attention, you know? Yeah. And I just thought that was cool and I didn't think it was cool when people were like oh no I don't really care once I was like you don't care cool then no one else is going to care and if me caring too much repels people they're not my fucking people yeah um you know so I think that that that you know I studied it and that I would watch and I go like well how did he go wrong I'm like okay there's something about like mental discipline like you have to know yourself you have to understand yourself like you know you can't you know he would get in all this trouble and you would watch people that would you know Robert Downey Jr.

You know, he was the guy. And then he, his alcoholism ruined his career. And then he fucking came back and now he's Iron Man. So I was like, what did he do? Oh, he went to a self-step program. He got sober. Okay, I wanted to know what the pit balls were. Because I was going to make it.

Like, there was no, I know this is like, babe, you should not hear this. But like, I had to make, I was like, I was making vision boards. I will tell people this because I'm not going to be the person. It's like, yeah, I just kind of stumbled into it. And someone at a grocery store thought I was funny. And like, I don't love was not my thing. I didn't know anybody in the business. Like I came in and I had vision boards and I was listening to the secret and I was

manifesting and I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to, like I was all day on IMDB who represents her. Okay, she did this. She went to this acting school. She did this. Like I was a student of like high performers and who made it. And then I, and then you look at what made people great and then you look at what got people. you know like there's you know plenty of people who

Richard Pryor what happened drugs yeah right this person had a stroke this person had a drug overdose you know walking Phoenix or not River Phoenix sorry remember he died and I was like wait what how do you just die in the middle of becoming how do you just die what you were just about to make it like I didn't understand it and then it was like wait so when you get successful you feel empty inside and start using drugs I gotta get ahead of that because I'm planning on getting that big you know like yeah it's like it probably is like so

you know, I do think that something that is required for what all of us do is a level of delusional confidence. A hundred percent. And if you're not willing to be delusional confident, and I think I realized I was always, you know, with being very competitive in the sport that I was in, I remember, like, thinking in my head, like, go for the three-point shot because even if my percentage is lower there, there's going to be less people guarding me. You know what I mean?

or expecting that I'm going to do it. So then the odds are going to even out maybe of something that could be an easier shot, but more people are going to know I'm going to take it. And then I started thinking, like, why not just strive for the highest, most insane goal? Because there's going to be so much less competition up there. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you kind of like want to be just like, you know, good at something, everyone's going to be there.

But if you're like, I want to like be a female comedian, like one that like tours and does theaters, like there's not a lot of us. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, I feel like my odds are better, but maybe it was a way to go like, and if I don't make it, at least I can say like, no one does. You know, maybe it was a way of protecting myself. But I do think that like this, this delicate balance of like insecurity and delusional confidence. Yeah.

Is sort of the balance you want to find. But I knew that a lack of self-awareness gets people. Fucks them up. Like throws them off. Yeah. And like to be a great comedian, like you have to have a pretty healthy relationship with the truth. about yourself so i was like i got to figure out like what's going to take me down and i know i

have this alcoholism thing i know that like if i never did i didn't do cocaine i'm never done cocaine because i was always like if i do it i'll probably really like it and if i'm better as a comic on cocaine i won't stop i know myself you know yeah because like i want to be great so i was like i know i can't do that you know well that makes me think of a question that i wanted to ask him that there's something that we've gone through in my sport and in your line of work

there are short-term goals there are these little things that you can pick up every single time you do a set where you have like a goal and you can meet it and then you can feel good about it and it's more about short-term, short-term these little tiny goals all the time and then yeah there are these big highlights

like a special or a video part, do you find the same thing in the gym? And when you started going to the gym, did you have like short term like little wins throughout or were you just building for one thing? Do you go, I want to be able to deadlift. I don't even know what a big amount is. 400 pounds. Or do you go, this week I'm going to do 200. This week I'm going to do 250. And find like fun in that. Yeah. I mean, for me personally, it was just like try to get better week by week obviously like it doesn't happen like you don't just go in and go from i'm going to do 300 to 500 or whatever it is um but it was like every day you try to do a little bit more yeah every day and you'd leave like stoke like yeah like if if i did just like let's say something as stupid as like four sets

on the bench press with a certain weight so i did four sets and i did like one extra rep at the end yeah it'd be like the goal would just it was all small small incremental goals yeah as you got became you, then did you stop getting, did it plateau in terms of the rewards? And then you're like, now I need to start podcast. Now I need to. Well, okay. So yeah, I mean, you get to a point where you've kind of reached sort of like for me, certain goals on the bench press, a deadlift, the squat, right? I had these numbers that I always wanted to reach. And I reach them. And then it transitioned for me kind of like sort of unknowingly because I started the fitness thing a long time ago back in like 2011 before like it was a thing on the internet now it's a very

popular thing it wasn't i was never under the idea like oh i'm going to have this like big youtube channel and like film i was just doing it and i was just filming my workouts and then i start to realize oh obviously i'm getting followers i'm getting engagement but think about it most people can't afford a personal trainer or it's just like why i do you know what i mean like to have access to you like how amazing yeah so and i spent years in the beginning it's just started out as me just being like, these are my workouts, this is what I'm doing, joking around, having fun, a lot of talking. And then it evolved into me really focusing on.

I would say, like, how do I say, like, teaching. I would teach, like, certain, like, okay, how to lose weight or how to build muscle. And I would do, like, little series. But as far as it evolving into, like, podcasting stuff, I think I recognized throughout my whole career of, like, filming any content at all, like, while I was working out and I was doing the exercises and teaching and, like, showing people how to do. the things. I was also talking a lot about like my relationship to it, like why it was important to me, like the overarching ideas of like why I'm doing this, why, why like I'm so, because people

always like want to know why. And I think I realized talking about that, even though the workout, they came because they wanted to learn, okay, how do I get bigger muscles, bigger biceps, a bit, or bench press, whatever it is. You're teaching that, but a lot of the stuff would kind of just go off into life tangents. Yeah. And so then when podcasting came around, I was like, oh, this is like, essentially what I've done just in a more concise format where I'm sitting speaking about it. So that's, that was a transition of my, my sort of like content wise. And that's how I got found myself here. What's the goal?

Are you going to start a cult or what do we doing? Yeah, I think I'm going to start a cult. Yeah, I'm thinking that was the whole thing was just like go, you know, find, really find out about myself so I can be able to relate to others. Nice, nice. And then get an island. Get an island and then start, you know, followers. Yes, bringing them via plane.

Can I? Oh, do they have their power? Have you seen this video of R. Kelly singing this song? Can you look up R. Kelly? What? He's singing you have a passport? Dude, this is him singing to African girls. It's maniacal, dude.

There's no way this is real. Saying like, do you want to come back with me? Did you get your shots? That's what I'm saying. Have your passport. No, no. Girl, would you like to come back? to come back with Rob

America Wait, there's no This is real Dude He's singing a concert Did you get your shots Bro It's also like

He's saying to the girls of Ethiopia Do you have your passport Did you get your shots Would you like to come back with Rob First person to America. It's also like kind of shows a talent. You know, you just just singing off the cost.

The guy has sold me on sex trafficking somehow. The bravery is. The next level. Wild. Wow. Can I ask you a speed round of stuff? Yeah, go for it. Supplements.

Go. Which ones? Best supplements? Or like, what are you taken? I think the best supplements are that, and things that I've taken and I've seen the best benefit to. I'm sure you talk about this all the time. Yeah.

Oh, not really. Not all the time. A good multivitamin. So a multivitamin that doesn't have like bullshit ingredients that is not like oxidizing or fucking up the other ingredients. I can go off on that in a tangent, but I won't. Okay. So, cod liver oil. I do take that.

Just in general, generally speaking, like a fish oil. And cod liver oil is a fish oil. I just feel like there's so many con artists in the vitamin world. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Like when the sticker looks like it was made by the five-hour energy drink guy, I'm like, even when I said the multivitamin, there's so many bullshit multivitamins. Totally. New chapter, I think, is a good one.

But really, creatine is a great supplement. I do it. I do it. Every day now, yeah. Yeah. Just brain, too. Brain, like skin, and it's, it's an amazing supplement. Every day.

I take NAD. Me too. Plus, I inject it. You take the peptide? We do the nitrogen drip and then the NAD and NEMN. pills and true niogen. Oh, so you do a drip. Yeah.

Yeah, that's solid. Not the NAD drip, niogen drip, which is the NAD booster. The NAD drip, it's, again, like the ice bath. It's like, it makes me angry. Yeah, it hurts. I'm up two hours to, like, feel like, you know. Yeah, I microdose the NAD plus.

So the same thing that they do in the drip, that feels uncomfortable for like two hours. I'll just microdose it throughout the week. Oh, sick. Hands down, one of the best supplements I've ever taken. So you just do it with a needle. Yeah, you put it into the muscle with like an insulin pin or something like that. peptides? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's one, 157, PPC 157 for inflammation. Yeah. And for gut

health. Those two have been like the best for me. Five days on, two days off type of thing. I microdose most of the stuff, so I do it daily. Oh, okay. But I, but microdose in a really small amount, my body's super sensitive to all that kind of shit. A protein could be good. I'd say like more of a plant-based one than an animal-based one, in my opinion. As long as- Not just eating protein? I am. I am. I'm just saying like for people if, if like they're not eating enough protein, yeah, it's a good

supplement. There's a, I have a, but for sure if you're eating enough protein, that's 10 times better than taking a protein supplement that's like a, I can't remember the name of it, but it's like liver, hard, all that shit. Yeah. And then, and then, uh, Sammy is another favorite of mine. Sammy? Sam E.

Oh, I call it same because I'm dumb. Same. Yeah. No, I don't. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's one of my favorite supplements. I do that in NAC. NAC.

Infoliated B12. Yeah, I don't take B12. You're not doing B12? No, no. You're not doing D plus K? Yeah, D and K. Yeah, it's another one. Vitamin D is probably the most beneficial supplement.

But if you don't have K, it can absorb, yeah? Not well, yeah. Yeah, you'd have to, like, have it in such larger amounts. Those two together are amazing. But vitamin D in general is just, like, most people don't understand, like, they're, like, literally deficient. Most people are deficient. And it fucks up everything.

Yeah, magnesium, too, yeah. Magnesium is a great one. But I can get that from most of the foods and shit. Beyond that. But I feel like you have like your fridge is like glass things of food that's already made. No, no, no, no. No, I'm actually really, that's the hardest thing for me is food. Uh-huh.

I'm terrible with food. Really? Yeah. That's good to know because I am too. You got to get a girl that's like got your food on point. I know. Yeah. Because here, may I?

I just, it's that may I? Please, go ahead. And then we got to go. I feel like I'm taking up so much today. No, you're great. There's this new thing under the guise of feminism where women, I guess, think they're empowered, but they just come off entitled and frankly, useless. Like, they're glamorizing being useless.

Yeah. I don't cook. I don't clean. It's like, what do you do? Yeah, that's a terrible thing. What skills do you have? Cleaning is cleaning and cooking? Yes, I'm into.

Cooking is, you cook. for him yeah oh my god not a ton but but you're busy as fuck too like your your circumstances got to be a little different i'll always make sure i have breakfast i make sure you're fed it drives me all the time yeah it's like makes me angry if i haven't fed like it's like when i go on even even just down to fear out skate park like i'll get like a snack pack oh yeah pack me snacks wow yeah it's pretty sick like actually like one of the like yeah like yeah like yeah like the way that you you feel loved snack packs they were the first they were the first thing that I know why is providing nutrition to like your man who would protect you from a bear

such a hard thing I have no idea that's it I was talk to the shitty feminists about this it's a fucking it's a weird thing that's going on I don't know how the fuck we ever got there how do you feed yourself I also I also think it's just a really loud one percent of yeah yeah To them, though, the guy's supposed to just, like, order them food or something, you know, get them food. That's how they feed themselves. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But, like, it's not going to get done right unless you do it, though.

It's like, I do think there's not, I don't meet, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm not even trying to say, like, guys don't know how to order food. I'm just saying, like, why not want to own that task? It's actually very kind of masculine in a way, like feminists are like, I'm not going to get in the kitchen and cook. It's, like, full of fire and knives. Yeah. It's not like a bitchy, like. We should put you on some sort of like campaign or something.

I think we need to get more women speaking out against that. I definitely do. I get a lot of shit for it. But I do take on like the bullshit like fake feminism a lot. I'm so glad to do. Thank you. Like pretend Marilyn Monroe was smart. Like I, I, what?

What? She was just hot. She was a slob. Yeah. Yeah. She was such a horror. The CIA had to kill her. she was a fucking mess

a mess I'm not doing this I'm not doing this like tragic drug addict was like amazing for women yeah fucking insane every quote's like I show up four hours late like she was an asshole always keep them waiting like what like that's not

that's you're a dickhead you're an asshole not doing this So, like, she was such a, she had nine husbands. Like, what, I'm not, this whole thing where we all take advice from women that aren't married and don't have kids. Like, it's just like, what do you know about anything? Yeah. Someone that's, like, confidently a mess, though, we now decide as, like, strong, awesome women.

Like, if you just own it. It's the same thing where, like, someone is, like, an asshole. And they're like, I'm being authentic. It's like, no, you're being an asshole. Like you're a bitch. That's not, you can bite your tongue. It's not a lie to bite your tongue and just, like, be respectful. I love it. That's going to get me good. No, it's good. No, it's real. And I actually agree

with you. If you don't agree with me, that's also fine. Yeah. Like we don't have to decide someone shouldn't exist because they have an opinion you don't share. It's like you don't go into a store and if you don't like one shirt, you're like, fuck this place, close it down. It's like, well, someone else might like that shirt. It's not everything needs to you fucking narcissists. The fact that people go around me like everyone needs to think like me, they need to talk like me, They need a dress like me. They didn't have the same bumper stickers as me. It was like,

it's insane. That would be a pretty boring world. It's insane. Yeah. Do you want to just look in a mirror all day? Just do that. Yeah. Well, next episode, we got to, we're going to.

No, let's fix. We need more of you. We need more of you. We got to fix it. Every comment is going to be like, why didn't Chris Cole talk more? No. Steam rolled the cobra.

I wasn't even, I wasn't even supposed to be here. I know. Thank you for coming, though. I feel like your answer. This is awesome. If they say that, then we'll fucking, we'll have him come back. Yeah.

You're right down the street. You can come back anyways. I'd love to have you. I'll be like, okay. I'll be like, tell me all about these vitamins because I didn't know anything you guys were talking about. He's a professional athlete who like. I know nothing. He eats candy only and like, I just made him start stretching.

He's never stretch. He's never stretch. I don't stretch. Yeah. I need to. It's evident that my, my anterior tilt is like showing that. don't stretch it's like it's like sick if you don't stretch like this you're like mentally ill right yeah well i don't really stretch either too much i'm just kind of naturally flexible i wish i was man

i've always been that way i'm just like i got i've got i got lucky with the genetic thing you strike me as a guy that like stands on a ball my back muscles have turned into beef jerky for you sure yeah they're just they're real tight i try to do the theragon with him i make him to the sauna but all these things are great they're great I want to you maybe you come back I want you to come back I like to let something Peter out I like to no I like I noticed that I'm momentum now I just wanted to I feel that I love it I love it thanks for having me do no you're awesome thanks I'm on tour if anyone wants to

come yeah anything else you want to tell me I never promote anything on podcast and I'm trying to start wait where are you going to be in New York I'm going to Chicago theater beacon theater I'm all over the place and Erie Pennsylvania as well I am I'm in Erie, Pennsylvania. So when you finish her pods, you don't just say, I'm going to be here, here, and here? No, I can't. What the fuck? It's too embarrassing.

Well, it's like what you do, though. I know. I guess I should do it then. But it's not like, I'm going to be at the gym at 4 o'clock tomorrow. But it's like, that's fucking, come 4 o'clock high. Yes, I'm on tour. Come see comedy. Bring your girlfriend.

She'll hate you less. New York. She's coming to Erie, Pennsylvania, New York, New York, New York, Texas and South Carolina, Durham, North Carolina, Washington, D.C., Atlantic City, New Jersey, Chicago, Illinois, Prior Lake, Minnesota, Atlanta, Georgia, Nashville, Tennessee, Denver, Colorado, Salt Lake City, Utah, San Diego, California, tickets are low. Anaheim, California. Tickets are also low. Orlando, Florida, Jacksonville, Florida. Boston, Massachusetts is sold out. Boston, Massachusetts, second show just got added, and Ledyard, Connecticut.

Let's go. Boxwood. Yeah, there we go. Sweet, babe. we go thank you thank you somebody had that's what we needed embarrassing sorry check her out honestly i think you're fucking dope dude thank you i feel you i feel like i wasn't that funny but i feel like your fans are so into like improving themselves and and that's all and i just i love a fan base that's like about that yeah i love i just i really like learning about you and i didn't know you

were that like that much into yourself not with in a joking manner yeah yeah yeah yeah just not as good as you're delivering the jokes but i really don't mean it in that in that way as as far as narcissism goes. I don't mean like that. I just don't want to be a piece of shit. Yeah, I like that. You know what I mean? I'm like, how today can I not be a piece of shit? Trying to figure yourself out as well. Yeah. I think you have to like really like just make sure you're not as selfish. And I think that it's really easy when you come from bad shit to default as a victim and blame everybody else for your problems. And like, that's just that doesn't work for me. And I don't want to be that person. And I know it's really easy to do that. I see a lot of people doing that. And I just don't want to be a selfish like piece of

garbage. Yeah. Yeah. You know the right thing. That's all. And he's awesome. You read off your fucking tour dates. Look at it. You got it. You guys. You got it. You got. You Dude, he, dude. Look at you guys, dude. It's so, I would hate us. Wow. I was so fucking cute. Remember you're supporting.

It works. Look at this guy, dude. I know. I, I worked really hard on myself because I also was like, I want, it's the other thing where women are fucking trash. I'm like, no, no, there's no good men out there. No, there's good men out there. They're just at home with their good women. They're not at Coachella with you and the head dress you're wearing with a bikini.

I love the bitch thrown in there too. I also was like I want an amazing man but in order to get that I have to be great too because the kind of guy I want is not going to be into this mess. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's also like and then I didn't want to get an amazing man and then somehow get it, con him into falling in love with me and then be less than he deserves either. You know what I mean?

Because I see that a lot. And then it's just sort of you need to change and you need to change and it's your fault that this is but it's like no just level up so that you can attract the person that you want it seems so simple but until you said that it was actually the first time i had ever heard it of like be the person that you would want to like to be with or be the person that would attract the person that you want to be with and you're running around these dating apps and i'm looking for the person i'm looking for the person i'm like wait wait let me just become the person that would attract the man that i want yeah

I mean, that's the only way you can really have it. Let me just try that. Right. And that's only way he can really keep it. I'm spending so much time going, he's not good enough and he's not good enough. And it's like, maybe I'm not. Maybe I need to become. And if he does come along, I can actually not only attract him, but also keep him.

Yeah. And then, you know. Yeah. And as long as you cook, that's, that's it. That honestly, man, that's fucking huge. It's so fun. Dude. Thank you.

Thank you for being you. Thank you. Appreciate it. so much. Thanks for having me, dude. I hope, you know, go luck with these YouTube comments.