RAWTALK - Why Ari Shaffir Hates Elon Musk & Mark Zuckerberg

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with Ari Shaffir & talks about his love for dark humor, his near death experience, the impact of social media algorithms & much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: Prize Picks Use code “BRADLEY” & Make your first $5 line up & get $50 whether you WIN OR LOSE! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/ivHR/BRADSponsored by: BetterHelpUse code "RAWTALK" at https://www.betterhelp.com/RAWTALK & get on your way to being your best self! Sponsored by: Huel Get Huel today with this exclusive offer of 15% OFF + a FREE Gift! at https://www.huel.com/rawtalk #ad #huelpartner

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Literally just download the app. Use code Bradley. They'll give you $50 on your first $5 lineup. Let's get into this podcast. I never do I never really do introductions too much that's okay you do you like introductions I do them later I don't like do them in front of people on my podcast I'll do like like bumpers like five minutes in yeah I'll just record them later when somebody's not here so you just talking it makes people feel weird when you go like so our guest today and you're

just like sitting there yeah doesn't I don't know just it feels more like robotic yeah how how how how long have you been in the entertainment space 25 years you feel entertainment space well comedy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean it's entertainment yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't feel old I'm pretty young I'm still doing stuff yeah yeah yeah so the I'm not like taking growth or anything yeah why not I mean mentally I probably should I'm just lazy I also don't have any investments same thing just like it's like paperwork just making money and just like yeah it's like I have to call a doctor you have no investments no that's surprising yeah yeah I know yeah it's

like i don't know who to call every time i was like i should invest in bitcoin like how do you even do that i figured there isn't there like a whole network of jews that just tell all the other jews what to do and there is isn't that a thing you got to tap in you got to pick up the phone you never tapped in no fuck congratulations on your best dog award yeah yeah yeah you just saw her you met her yeah my mom bought me yeah it's a nice one is that hayes is that your dog's name yeah i'm reading it yeah there's clues everywhere so you drop the you drop the america sweetheart on the 14th right yeah yeah you've you've done other specials though too uh-huh i've gotten uh this is my fifth one i think yeah yeah i think so you have dark humor oh yeah

i think that's what i like that's what that's what that's what that's 100% i like getting laughs from like places you shouldn't get laughs yeah for a few reasons one because it like it just reclaims that space it's like when black people start using the n-word wait wait wait what space though the dark spaces instead of like feeling bad about stuff you can just find some enjoying it or like when gay started using queer or the f word to each other yeah yeah it's like it's like it's like endearment yeah then it becomes like a cool thing like the n word yeah exactly yeah or like uh i mean this is still bleeps on youtube but like cunt is now like it's now like uh it means cool to like kids well that's an australian thing mainly oh really like a sick cunt no no no no it's a new

thing just straight cunt yeah so it's like it's like oh look at that door that's totally cunt Like that's what the fuck? Yeah, finger on the pulse. Like that's cunt. Yeah. Oh, I've heard girls say serving cunt. But that sounds like they're just giving pussy. It does.

It does. They shouldn't use serving with that. Yeah. How many servings of cunt you need to fill up. No, so okay. One clean one. Why do you think you like dark humor so much? I don't know.

It's a good question. I was raised pretty religious, Jewish. So it was pretty, uh, wasn't that open a world. I don't know. I just, I always liked like, like. I don't know why. I think you just like what you like. Every time I heard like Jeff Ross do a joke about Columbine

was shooting there. Yeah. And he was like, people moaned and he was like too soon. But I remember going like, I was watching. I was like, nah, for me, it's kind of too late. I want it like the day of. Yeah, we know that about you. Yeah.

We know, we know that about you. Do you think that's the one joke that you made that you're kind of like, shouldn't have done it? No, no. I should definitely should have. Really? Oh, yeah. So many people found it funny.

Fuck. Yeah, it's just the crazies don't. But like anyone who knew me, it was like, oh, he makes fun of like dead celebrities. Isn't it weird though how like they. No, I don't regret that one at all. Zero. Yeah, zero. Yeah.

I've passed a lie detector test on a podcast. Yeah. It's funny though, because like for comedians, like, I feel like that's, I mean, not that they should be going towards certain jokes or not, but like. Yeah. Yeah, you can't be thinking what the repercussions might be for a joke. That's, that's the wrong way to live. Because then you're like not doing stuff that would be okay.

I've had all the ones that you like post. and you're like waiting and they're like oh fuck here it comes and then nothing comes they're like oh i was worried for nothing and everyone got some laughs out of it no that job like hundreds of thousands of people got joy out of that they were so you're worried about the fucking like a rapaport types that are like yeah the contrarians on purpose he got tons of articles about it and they're like yeah but it starts with one guy who's like a spousal abuser who's like hey don't bring up celebrity spousal abuse yeah you know who's been convicted of a bunch of like bad shit with women like a rabbit board and then you're like you go on from there that it's like

oh that's where it comes from it's fine yeah yeah you don't think you don't think stuff like that ever would affect your career my career is affected by me freely expressing myself you know respect it's like going to a chinese place like I can't get some extra soy sauce and they go I want to give you got your sauce sauce and it's like dude trust me for the little it costs you want here I'm going to be happier and be a return customer so if I'm not thinking about anybody if I'm not thinking about like any negative just what I find funny and try to make other people laugh then then I'm in the right spot some things will make me bigger some things will make me smaller I've done tons of stuff that have gotten me tons of death threats over the years and also

entertained 12 year old boys since you know since before anything dude remember the amazing racist do you ever see those yeah yeah that was like I mean I got shows canceled because of that but like millions of like 14 year old boys are like that was the first funny thing I saw on the internet. Yeah, but they like that taboo shit. Yeah. So I guess like, well, I mean, you're not just making comedy for fucking young kids. Right. No, it's for everybody, but some of it's juvenile. Yeah. Yeah. Juvenile stuff. Yeah. But yeah. So how do you create, how do you even create your comedy? You're just thinking about things you see like day to day or yeah, just like what gets me going. Yeah, day to day or like a personal life or like sing, yeah, sing what other people.

So this for America's sweet art for this Netflix special. Yeah. It's all just what I saw my friends really caring about too much you have your friends talking about stuff and you just like fake it like you care like a big news thing yeah that's crazy yeah it's like oh yeah it's not or like she what trumped you're like oh yeah right right but you're like let's go get that burrito I think I don't want to do this israeli and Palestine anyone who comes in me like do you think the Israelis are wrong I'm like oh sure sure like you think the Palestinians are wrong oh absolutely that's crazy and then like I just care about the Yankees to be honest so like I don't give a fuck i'm not there yeah

january 6 that was another one i was like could you believe this i'm like bro i was in ecuador i'm like i want a hammock i'm having a good time i don't have to look at that why do you think people get so crazy about about just shit in general like it's a good question especially now it's the craziest i think it's the algorithm the internet i think mucker zuckerberg should be like strung up and killed to be honest you think it's zuckard straight out i think you should at least be put on an island taken stripped of every piece of control he has over our lives we let a highly autistic man choose how we interact and he was like the one thing i hate in the world is direct

eye contact so let's make a world where no one has to do that he hates direct eye contact he's autistic autistic people hate that yeah so feels weird yeah they hate that and they love touching on the head so so but yeah so he's like i'll just make it a world where everyone just like doesn't talk online you ever meet a chick at a bar remember you used to or how old you were to meet someone out you had to make a move right then yeah and now it's like don't dare make a move leave hit him up yeah message him yeah send him a DM yeah send him a DM that's the only way to do it yeah and now it's like so so it's like there's no direct contact yeah it's fucking weird yeah so i think it's all the algorithms i feel like it's like training people instagram facebook

youtube x twitter x yeah uh all all of it's just like pushing people to the worst thing rile them up making you think everything's going on i don't know it's all yeah I just see everything about the Jews now. How many calls did you get about the fires? About the fires? Like, are you doing okay? A lot.

Yeah, but to be fair, there was one like right up the street here. There was. And I did actually pack up my shit and was like, I might have to actually leave. Yeah. But then I did.

In the end. Yes. I mean, you should take precautions, but also like in the end, it didn't affect you. Yeah. You know.

Sick. Yeah. No. Right. So it's been a lot of time worry about it. So the internet's the version of that. Where it's like, that's crazy.

Like, yeah, But that's some guy in Alabama Or somebody in Somalia burned a witch Like that's not your thing Except tons of people here got fucking screw Yeah, yeah, yeah, for them But it was the laser beams

It was a Jewish laser beams It was a Jewish laser beams It was a Jewish laser Jews and Oprah in conjunction Oh man They're distracting us from the cheap The cheap real estate in Maui Yeah

Still there Yeah, yeah I thought Black Rock bought it all up I probably did And they're trying to buy this up Oh, they probably did That man You know who's who controls

black rock jews yeah is that one jews too yeah i guess oh wow yeah i thought i thought black rock was one of the non-jew ones no it's a jew yeah okay don't they got it at all i mean we control a lot they're like why i can choose control the media like i mean we're successful in every field except sports well they own a lot of owning yeah we found a way in we found it everywhere yeah marv levy we found way in we found like management is it just you think it's just an IQ thing like why do you think so many jews are so successful and have the control that they do in power retort question why do you think so many black people are successful in basketball

I get it it's either genetic or it's like well it's it's a cheap sport so in cheap places you can play but then Latinos would be also good at basketball so maybe it's something to do with genetics or like some fucking evil breeding we did you know 20 50 years ago I mean we were breeding them it's not like I'm saying it's good but like we saw two strong ones like make sure they breeds we'll have a bigger

so like you know it goes like your dogs they like look specific yeah you're right people look specific so like yeah Jews breed and like the intelligence was like yeah it's like you breed a smart one at the smart one

they're gonna have a smart one plus culturally we like raise our kids in value education yeah it's like big so then yeah of course we're gonna succeed was your do you have like don't fuck with us we saw your tweets about Palestine

and we're coming for you well did you see the thing recently with the Trump was like he's kicking out people I saw like a pull it up the Asian the Asian activist something with Palestine and she's like getting deported an Asian yeah that's underrated he deported an Asian that was like the trumpet player Palestine and free Palestine they're like fuck out of here yeah I think so I don't know you guys don't subscribe to YouTube premium damn that is crazy you got a Dr. Druad and now you got this man or woman.

Is that her? No, I don't think this is it. Her, okay, hold on with that. So now she's making money off being upset about Donald Trump. So she's got to research this guy she hates and spend all day with him in her head so that she can make more money. Yeah. She's not just like, hey, here's something I saw in my reporting.

Her whole life is this guy she hates and she's got to live with him. That's being incentivized by me. If there was no money in it, she wouldn't be making those. Well, I could say that about a lot of, I mean, most people on the internet. I mean, you wouldn't be doing your workout videos, maybe if not for money. But that's not a negative. Yeah. You're getting healthy for money.

It's okay. And you were doing it before. I was. Yeah. I didn't even know it was going to make me money until it really started to make me money, which I guess I, but to be fair, I did think, okay, this is something that I knew other people were making money from. Yeah.

Let me try it. Yeah. But that's cool too. You're incentivizing yourself financially to be healthy. Yeah. And like encourage other people. yeah yeah if you work out you can get even if it was no content you could like get somebody to train yeah so like but you got to look good yeah what happened to you you just decided not to

fuck you no no no no I just want to know like you just like working out it's not my thing hey my thing I've done it twice occasionally before I've done like a month hard here there there there's a video of me doing I was doing a month straight sober and like working out and I was ripped why did you not why did you not continue that it's harder than not working out you know when you get out of bed in the morning and you're like some guys go to it and like get right at it man I love staying in that bed dude I like I like to get food and bring it back to the bed damn yeah and like eat it in bed yeah you ever wake up the night before with skittles still in your gums like you're eating until you fall asleep and you wake up like oh no

I lose a tooth like oh skittles skittles bite size candy dude I can't I I know I do eat I I probably eat the most shit that I shouldn't eat at night yeah what is this crack no it's not crack no it's a protein drink all right if you want some that's all right yeah I figured not um drink my meat so wait so why working out why did you only stay one month it was a challenge I had to do it for a challenge you got to pull up a video of me fucking doing the rowing machine around Rogan Rogan's in it too not not Seth Rogan the other one the balder one yeah when did you meet Rogan um I met him when I started com in um 1840 yeah 1840 or so um yeah he was a comic at the comedy store i was like a new

like door guy he's really like helpful with all the young guys everyone talks about him like he helps so many people come so many people and not just like taking me on the road and stuff but like showing him a bad example how to like we talk about dark comedy and like he would go right at audiences just like right at them and he's like you're gonna laugh at these things or you can just fall behind and so you watch that you're like damn that's a way to do it i would i would have shows right open form where i was scared i was a little scared of like going at people i remember just i was showing like in like a yachting club in rhode island and i was like oh these are like these are like ritz people yeah you know four seasons people and i'm like oh let me try to clean it up and it was like

by bomb pretty bad and then he was just like the filthy you know and he was killing i was like oh right you're just yourself and then like oh okay it's a note for sure yeah just led by example and he was just really he's just a very helpful guy yeah he's a good dude yeah had a few interactions with him um terrible fucking hair transplant though he's got a scar like fucking Frankenstein at the back of his head really it's the only thing stopping me from doing it fear of that well i think they had fear of that but that's the old one yeah they do a much better job now we should go together we both need turkey yeah i've been talking about i've been talking about two it's it's got what i've been talking about it for a while i know and i just never do it

What's the recovery time? I just fear that like, even if I get it done, it won't be what I wanted to be. Exactly. But is this what you want it to be? If this is what you want it to be? No. No.

Joe's just like, just shave your head. He's trying to talk me out of it. And I'm like, well, I can already do that. If I do it and it doesn't work, I can still shave my head.

That's not gone, you know? Yeah. But then you have like the fucking scar or shit. I don't know. I feel like they do such a good job though now in Turkey. Yeah, right? It's like they're, and also why have we not got it?

that technology it's not like the turkish soil because they want us it's the jews they want they want us buying products yeah yeah yeah yeah that don't fucking work that's the pharmacy industry too same thing man yeah oh it's a crazy time yeah i don't work out though but yeah that hair stuff would be great i just want a mohawk again a mohawk i've seen you i seen you had like a little but it didn't connect yeah it was like a it's like a jumps and then it hits the back this back here is fine i'm happy with this let me see what you got oh yeah well hold on let me see the top so it's balding it looks fine right now yeah it's a little bit bad in the back yeah yeah i don't personally like it's it's not a it's not a you know not my favorite thing yeah i at least i feel like

i look good in hats i'm like oh fuck i'll just wear hats you're not a hat guy you got a flat head yeah take the hat off i thought it would keep going but it's it sort of stops it seems like somebody fucking smash you. We should actually go to Turkey together for real. Yeah, I'm down. My friend Wantan Don does it like a trip. He's a travel guy for Barstool, but he takes like 15 people out there

and makes like a trip for people. And first you're like go around, go to like the Turkish like baths, see Istanbul a little bit and then like all right, now do this and you're going to be in pain. That's what I'm worried about. The pain for like two, three straight weeks. We're like, ow, ow, ow, the AC's on, oh.

But think of the pain of being bald for so long. Think of the pain of being bald. Think about getting your hair right. some chicks muff and just fucking soaking up that juice right in that hair styling it with fucking muff juice bro yeah let's go oh my god what do you think the darkest joke you ever made was but closure of my special is pretty up there but a holocaust something you got watch it i guess i don't know the darkest joke i don't know i don't even think of those terms i just know they're all kind of dark sometimes but i'm not like trying it's just my my sensibilities

I'm not going for dark It's just like my sensibilities You're not going but you but you just always end up there Like jokes There's just like you don't notice those as much You know Yeah But I don't think which ones like if I had to stop later

And go like which one's like not for everybody Which one is I'm like oh um yeah I guess don't do that for your mom That one you can play for your mom Who are your favorite comedians So love Sam Kinnison Um But nowadays what I really like is like

instead of like the people I mean I like the ones you would think Norman and Shane and you know and like Santino and I don't know there's tons but like it's the guys you don't know there's so many like young or middle age like

killers in New York especially and you come and contact them Maddie Weiner fucking Daniel Simonson there's just a bunch of like killers yeah And so, like, you might not know them, but, like, man, they're so funny and so interesting. What do you make, like standup, for example, because I've gone to a few standups.

Where do you go? I guess it was the laugh factory or I went to the laugh factory a couple times? Laugh Factory is exactly your vibe. Really? Yeah. It's because it's like more influencery. Really? Yeah.

It's like there was always that. The cool, cool kids would go there. And then it's shifted to the store. The store's a darker place physically also. Black walls. I think I've been there once. Yeah. That's where you're like, especially late night.

Don Barris will be on you're like you'll see some shit That you're like it's gonna stay with you Where it might even be the most hilarious We're like what you see people fucking with people in the audience It's like 15 people all spread out And it just gets like there's fights You know you get a drunk Cholo Yeah

Want to be the center of attention And then the comic won't back down And then it's just like this fight drunk white women Factory's too clean It kick me those people out Too clean Yeah so it's like so it's like no i mean not like the material i just mean like they just run it too much like a business

the store is like it's wild like they you like they allow like they let more it's just like let more shit go yeah because i remember in at the at the factory it was like don't do this don't they're kind of tell you the lights are up they're saying don't like really interact right you can get you can fall asleep at your table the comments store no one'll see you for like an hour you know What do you think makes people so, like, so much better at comedy, though, because I've watched, for example, I think I saw Chris Delia come on and a bunch of other comics come on. Yeah, crushes, yeah. And it was- Imagine Delia now in New York.

There's those guys all the time where you're like, before he was famous, he was like, fuck, this guy's crushing. But so that's what I'm saying. Like, when I've watched these people, not that these other comics weren't funny, but like when he came on, it was like, the whole room was like, holy shit, this is like different. He was like, like, like, generationally. a crusher chris yeah i haven't seen him in since on stage since before the pandemic i moved so i don't see it as many l a guys as much anymore um i haven't seen him in l a i mean in new york but like but he would crush he would just he was a rare crush yeah that's all it is he was excelling you know yeah it's like what makes lebron different it's like well he's just like better at that

delia would just and he was one of the few guys him rick ingram where I'd be talking before I went on and I've done it enough time done it thousands of times you know so I'm just like we can be talking and they're like hey please welcome this next guy they're giving my intro and I'm like I'm like with you wrapping up our conversation and like please welcome why we should fear is like anyway so we'll go out to lunch later and then I'll like go up there with Delia he's on and it's like if he's got five minutes left and we're talking and I'll be like hey actually I got I got to think what I'm going to do here I got to like concentrate because this is like a task to follow this guy really yeah he was like I could do it It always worked out okay, but it was like, hey, I got a, I got a think here. What the fuck? Yeah, it's like, you know, when you're like high, you're driving and it's kind of like those LA, everyone's going fast, but it's also trafficy, you know, it's like bumper to bumper, but still they're going 65 and you're super stone and you're like, I really got to fucking focus on the road.

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this. I was driving back from, like, Studio City. Because I lived in Orange County for a very long time. And I'll never forget, I went to go train because I was a trainer. I would train like, you know, at the time, it was pretty like hot chicks. I was trained like porn stars. And at the time, this is years ago. I was so trained like girls who were like in videos because it wasn't like Instagram girls. It was like girls who were in videos. So I trained this porn star. And she was like, you want to smoke? And I was like, okay. Because I, all, I also thought it was kind of going somewhere, like selfishly. They always flirt just enough, those porn stars.

They always get you to feel, that's their job. They're good. And that's their talent to make everyone think they have a chance. And really six out of ten people do have a chance. Yeah. And so I didn't, but anyway, so I smoked with her and I don't smoke. And I'm like, not like, I've smoked, but like very rarely at this time. Yeah.

So she has some thing. And I'm like, you know, you're trying to like be cool. And I end up smoking too much. And so I'm driving home exactly what you described. But I'm on a street bike and I'm splitting. five freeway traffic all the way down to Orange County and I'm praying to God.

I'm literally like it's getting darker to so like the lights are brighter, you know, all the brake lights. And I'm splitting traffic being like, I'm, if I please God, if I get home, I'm getting rid of this bike. I'm never going to ride a bike. I'm still speeding.

I'm still speeding. I got to go fast because it's dangerous. I'm not going to lie, I got there and I swear to you, I probably sold my bike the next week. No way, really. Dude, when they say like, no, it's safe to,

you can't drive drunk, but it is safe to drive hot. that was from 80s weed it is not yeah it is I have been battling passing out on the road just like oh my god stay up stay up oh my god I'm so high we're like I'm gonna fuck a freak dude weed is not the same anymore wow it is not and then someone who gives you their tolerance it's like look if I'm with my buddy an opener on the road and they're like hey you want to go to the gym you want to work out I'm like okay and that means like some light treadmill maybe like fuck around like oh I'll move this weight badly for like for like 10 minutes and this way let me try

one of these just your own remedy stuff I'm like oh that was cool for like 40 minutes. Let's go. If I go, if you're that guy and you want to hit the gym first, I'm like, oh, that's like a two and a half hour fucking thing. Tolerance for weed is the same way. People go, oh, you want to hit this? It's normal. It's crazy. You're normal. I don't, I don't understand what they're doing to, they're making the weed like almost unsmokable. Yeah, it's they're putting shit in there. You like, do you like smoking weed? Do you smoke weed often or? Yeah, it's a little less now, but still whenever it's right. Don't smoke? Does it, No, no, no, does it get you like, does it make you more creative or does it make you like

Dumber? Depends what, that Maui Waui. I take that any time. That Maui make you fucking right, bro. And Maui, wow, when you find it, you get it. But does it help you with creativity? Maui does. Yeah. Some others make me fucking zonk out and not even be able to remember a fucking family guy. Have you, have you experienced other drugs? You try any other drugs? Yeah, all of them. What do you got? All of them. What are you got? Let's do some drugs, brother. Mushrooms? Yeah, let's do some mushrooms. I'm down. I have something in my car. I have something in fucking house. You really have some in the car? Yeah, I do. Somebody gave me some in Brea. They package it now. They got packaged. It's so close to being legal. The way they're

packaging mushrooms, they're not trying to hide it anymore. Yeah. It used to be with weed and mushrooms in a brown bag that you can't see through. Or like a little zip lock thing like that was in some other bag. In some other back. So you can't have anyone see this at all. Now it's like, oh, it's like the fun guy bar and it's a picture of a mushroom eating a mushroom. It's like, It's like they're not even trying to hide it. That's true. We're at the place now. Remember when you're like white and like, you know, marijuana was legal.

I don't know if you guys know this. It was legal for white people far before. It's legal for black people or Mexicans. So the worst we'd get is the worst like white people would get is, hey, drop it. And then that's like, and we'd be like, oh, come on, man. Fucking pig, you know. Yeah. And that would be really pissed.

How much you had though. Yeah, right, right. If you had a joint. But now mushrooms is about that. If you're white with mushrooms and you're not an asshole. to them yeah they'd be like throwing the garbage no fucking way you have in that that's about as bad as it'll get yeah we're right on the cusp yeah i i i i think mushrooms are probably one of the one of the best i don't want to i don't want to say i'm just saying it's a good thing but it's probably one of the

better drugs you could take you know yeah feel that it's it's great well it's like one of those like half medicine half fun drugs yeah depending on the trip it's like depending on a better person now or like man what great laughs with my friends yeah i wrote a mushroom prime for people. I spent, I spent a month trying to write up everything you need to know

about mushrooms. And interviewing people. And what did you, what did you discover? Oh, lots. It was just like, if you want to take mushrooms

and you need to know how to do it, everything about it, I wrote something for you it's on the internet. It's a not-for-profit. It'll just help you find it, how much it is. Where the fuck is this?

Look up, Shroom Fest and primer. I hope it's still up. They just read it in my website. What inspired you to do this? I just think people should know it's not um it's not um boom holy shit yeah whoa what the fuck yeah wow you got some production on this yeah wow they built it up since last i just wrote like a long like sheet like a piece

of paper but now it's like wow they oh they made extenders that's great so you're like how long the mushrooms last how do i make it how long till they kick in is it dangerous can you overdose you wrote this. Yeah, I wrote it all. So you're into mushrooms. I was very into mushrooms. Now I'm into them, but I was very into them. And I thought everyone should have them. It's like, it makes you like open up. Yeah, I agree. Makes you just a better person. But like what was your first experience? It wasn't, it was probably like more hectic though. Because my first experience is you don't know what you're doing. Super hectic. Yeah. And you're like, oh, and everything's like scary. And you're like, I'm going to die. What's this heartbeat? I'm definitely going to die. So that's in there like you're not going

die because no one ever has yeah the only way you could die of mushrooms if you get buried in a silo of mushrooms like if this place filled up with mushrooms and crush you crush me exactly yeah but wheat is also the same problem um yeah what got what got you into this took them went to the promenade in Santa Monica with my friend started looking at those street performers some guy you know those guys that kick like plates up and it flips and goes on their head yeah keep i could see like a tube in the air that this guy was kicking the shit through how much were you on do you think at the time two grams of penis envy mushrooms which penis envy are i should add to this not every mushroom is the same yeah two that's penis envy are stronger than like golden teachers or like

yeah regular penis envy is stronger and the range on penis envy's wild it's like it's like it's like someone else like i'll take one point seven penis seven is like uh one point two to one like the amount of psilocybin in the plan yeah it's just it's like it's so you don't know also mushrooms will take you wherever it's gonna take you it's up to it's up to this room i just i've gotten a lot of like actual real benefits to my life from taking mushrooms for what do i i think before i ever well the very first time there was just like complete chaos i'll never forget that i was just like oh i'm gonna die like everything you described but then after i was like oh life just seemed better for forever

since then. Forever. Not like every single day. But for a while. Yeah, for a while. But like my perspective on life completely changed and shift. It shifted to,

I'll never forget the first time I took him. I was in that, you know, like where it feels like the whole, like I was sitting out of islands, basically. I'll tell you the story. I'm sitting out of islands across from my boy who like we had just took them.

Islands. It was a burger spot. Yeah, okay. I remember that. Yeah, they had pineapple burgers. Pretty good. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm sitting at this islands

and we're trying to order. and the waiter comes up and he's like my my boy was he's done it before so he's way more adept in those situations and like he's able to bring himself like to make himself normal even though he's like super high on mushrooms sidebar yeah no one knows you're high so all you got to do if it's like they're all going to know is just keep your mouth shut yeah but in my head yeah this guy 100% knows 100% is closing in on me it's like he's coming to take my order and I'm like oh fuck and I just want to defer to my friend to like answer and deal with everything and being a waiter like what do you guys happen like the hell tell you yeah no that's exactly

how i felt i probably that's what i thought i was looking like to this guy yeah and so i remember like being like okay i literally left and was like i have to leave like i can't even sit in this restaurant it just felt like it was closing it was dark i was like i was like losing myself and then he's like we're like all right fuck the food went out and there was like a like a little 7-11 or like some gas station food spot with drinks and i'll never forget my realization was it was about how, like, powerful the words and the things we tell ourselves are. And it's going to sound like crazy, but he was like, I was tripping at this point, having a really bad time. And he gives me like an Arizona iced tea.

Yeah. And he's like, drink this. It's good. Like, you'll be fine. And like that idea of good, like being like, oh, this is good. And then me drinking this and being like, yeah, this is good. And like, I realized in that moment how powerful if I thought good or if I thought bad was like directly influencing my whole body and how I felt. but that's why I can describe it.

Yeah, words are powerful. You're right. And that's the moment. Everything's like more. It's almost like you can go into things at the molecular level, but like ideas too. Everything. And so you're like, oh, what is good? And you really understand it.

You understand on levels you've never understood anything before. And I remember it literally in the moment. After, like, after he said that to me and I remember like saying it, oh, this is good. This is good. And like my world almost felt like it was brighter and sunnier. and then I was like okay and I thought bad in the exact opposite it almost felt like everything was closing and I was feeling terrible and I was feeling dark you understand what bad is yeah when I said the word literally just saying the word and then I was like all right this this gave me

perspective that I'd never had about like okay the words that I so even if you're saying like even if you don't notice it's happening it's happening 100% and you're so deep in there you're like I can see it big but like if you're not on shrooms if you're not deep in there it's still happening to people that you come up little by little I was on shrooms and in um my Montreal once in this big comedy festival this lady Rebecca Trent she's a club owner She owns a creek in the cave and just like a friend she saw me fucked up and she's a she's a fucking you know she goes So she came by she saw it without saying it or anything like that she was just like saying positive things And it went for me from like I'm freaking out. This is gonna be bad to just like it all went fine. She goes Hey, all you know. She didn't say I see you're fucked up. I see her mushrooms. Yeah, she was like that's a cool shirt. It's cool. It's cool. It's

it's nice it's a nice shirt anyway what a good day out huh beautiful weather yeah all right i'll see you later love you and it was just like oh it's just like calm me down with just saying things like that a couple of nice things words are powerful you're right and it's weird i think how that that's that was another thing that the mushrooms kind of showed me was that that's happening like we like you just said regardless of if we're so aware or conscious of it or not yeah and that's why it's just it's interesting to like live your life forward that way obviously not i'm not fucking perfect i i fucking don't get it right all the time really ever but um yeah i've noticed that like i can change just almost the outcomes of anything just by thinking differently

yeah it's where people tell you like well you did this and now you're doing this you're like yeah i'm changing i don't get it right all the time like oh are you saying this but that time you didn't do it like right right i'm fucked up that one yeah well but yeah you can just like slowly shift yourself towards a better real it's like switching lanes you don't always hit the right one they're going faster but then over time you're going to get there quicker yeah decent analogy yeah that's it it's life yeah but yeah it really is it helps you see things on a way you've never seen it before and that's not just things like words but also like who you are yeah the ego thing i don't i don't understand what ego id and super ego are i knew it once in college i think for like 20

minutes in the psychology class yeah i was like okay it made sense and then i like lost it but but like it, it lets you, it pulls you away from yourself. So you're not, you're not attached to yourself anymore. Yeah. Well, the ego thing is like the defense of the defense mechanism that you play golf? No, I'm terrible. Okay. But there's this idea of like best ball where everybody, we all tee off and then we play,

we're a team, we all play the best ball. So if you shank one out of bounds and I hit one straight down the middle, now we'll go play where both play where mine is. You know? Yeah. Wherever the best ball is. Sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes they're too.

like opposite sides and so you're over there and I'm over there and it's kind of negligible which one's better and generally people go no no my ball's in the better spot but like you have an attachment to your ball but the reality is you're both a team just play where the best one is still arguing yeah you're still want to feel like my shot was better well you're in the sand but I'm closer and it's like but we're a team it's crazy so people do that with their ego too that I start going what I'm doing is correct or what I'm doing wrong is not as wrong and so mushrooms pull you out and it lets you just observe yourself and others too yeah but you know more about yourself than anything so you get to look at yourself and like and they're like oh that was cool what that guy did

he helped his friend and like oh that was lame what that guy did he was like he cut off somebody in traffic and gave him the finger and and they didn't even do anything and you're like oh that guy's me oh why did that guy cut that guy off and was an asshole he should have just been like sorry but instead he started a fight why did he start a fight that's lame and he goes I'm going to tell that guy well that guy's me so i can tell them don't do that anymore just just kind of goes sorry just like it's weird though how we we don't like seem to i get that like why yeah i don't know we don't seem to understand that that sort of i don't even know what you would even call it but the the sort of uh understanding of ourself in relationship to other people like a lot of stuff

is like we're just mirrors like we're mirroring each other yeah what is the golden rule do unto others but it's like it's hard to remember all the time you know it's have to be you have to be selfish sometimes too yeah and i think the internet nowadays it just makes it fucking a hundred times worse it's pretty bad it's really i really think those people should be like taking all their power away they've really fucked with us too hard and we never really agreed to it and those terms and conditions i'm sure but then they start shifting it showing you more negative stuff than positive stuff getting you angry getting you mad at your sisters and brothers and cousins yeah i don't talk to my uncle anymore that never used to happen yeah we just wouldn't talk about politics with

your fucking uncle who would yeah and now they put you together in this way and they know what they're doing but it's it's almost like the question is it comes to like aren't we doing that to ourselves so because that's what the algorithm is sort of do you think if they put terrible stuff in our food which they do but let's say it was even worse let's say it was really really bad poisons in there all the time like legit not like not like I mean not some fat some sugars but like even like real bad stuff chemicals that will like deathly cause cancer like keep it going um like like warning labels on cigarettes they didn't have to put them on before and then eventually the government made them yeah put a warning label on like like we'll go to it we'll go to the poisons so like we need someone

to help protect us to like hey can you make it not put poison in there you know and the government should protect us to be like yeah yeah we're getting rid of this it was really causing cancer on everybody um yeah i mean sure you're a health nut but like but like but like this They're still doing it, but it'd be nice. Yeah, we're always going to go to Twizzlers. So it'd be nice if they're like, hey, this has no good effects. Twizzlers are good taste, so it has some good effect. Yeah.

But like for the stuff that has no, it's like get rid of it. We're going to go to it. We're animals. Dogs will eat non-s, they'll get fat if you feed them too much. You think people are just naturally attracted to bad shit? Yeah, it's like, you know, the way your mouth waters around like barbecue. It's like, I mean, I guess, yeah. Yeah, chicken skin is like, oh, I want this.

But you just know, I shouldn't need this. It's bad for my cholesterol. Yeah. But like, yeah, the internet, it's just like pulls us in there and it's guiding us in there. It's just like. You think it's by design? We need some help. You think it's by design?

Yeah, it's by design. They had experiments where they tried showing differently on Facebook. It's before they bought Instagram. They showed different people. They were experimenting on them. Let's show some people negative stuff and some people are more positive stuff, like at a two-thirds ratio each way. Yeah.

And let's watch them see what happens. And the people they showed more negative stuff to started posting more negative stuff they start this is before the incentivizes with money or anything like that they started like they became negative and the people they showed more positive stuff to left more positive like comments and things and they go okay, but then now than they did another study on what makes people more engaged when it's on there and it's the negative to like all right shove everybody negative shit stuff that makes them angry all the people who are pro-Israel they saw a bunch of pro-palistine stuff all the pro-Palestine people they showed them a bunch of pro-Israel stuff they're like i can't believe this and it got them on there and they're just all in a bad mood they're experimenting on us and no one's doing anything because they're above the government yeah have you have you heard of the dead internet theory no it's it's basically the idea that like it's kind of all on purpose and that my perspective is it of it is that you know before the internet before all this social media space and like exactly what you're describing it was like television was the main sort of like propaganda this is

what's happening that shit's pretty much dead yeah now it's obviously streaming internet period and it's almost as if like they're they're saying that like you pull up the dead internet theory they're like buying and spending money to like keep people in certain directions like it's almost like bots and all this stuff is like trying to keep the narrative in that which whichever ways they're able to control it essentially and it's all for commerce yeah right so the the the boils down to not a crazy negative thing. They're not trying to turn us against each other. But they're like, if that's what's going to sell, then that's what I'll do.

Yeah, because like you described the negative feedback and then they, I'm posting more. There's more. Yeah. If our nature was positive stuff keeps us engaged more, then they would have gone that way. The way Bud Light sponsored a fucking trans guy a little bit and everyone's like, why, it's like, well, that's what seems like the winds are turning. But seven years before, they made the Budweiser America. Yeah.

They renamed Budweiser to America. If gay rights went out, then they'd have the dixie flag on bud but like hands they don't care in industry and commerce doesn't care they have no morals just they'll go wherever the money is so they'll act like whatever they do not give a you might lose a sponsor for saying something shitty they don't care they'll be back in three months when they heats off just all about money yeah they don't care which is like fine sort of yeah you know it took over black lives matter takes over every cause every cause like capitalism comes in and guides it yeah and shifts it away from its natural cause so you can't

The only way to be pure is to have no money involved. It just feels like we'll never get to a space where never. There's a few people that like, there's this like war reporter, Jake Hammerhan is this popular front. He won't take any advertising money because he doesn't want to be incentivized to cover certain wars over others. How does he make money? Patreon.

So it's Patreon. He'd be like, I don't like this. It goes, well, I've lost one 10,000s of my fans. I can be immune to that a little bit. But isn't that just another extension? because then your your audience is they're telling you right right so as a group maybe but yeah yeah you had that conversation with with howie about like the whole jewish hate thing yeah this is kind of a version of that almost yeah it's not real it's just they're telling you everything's terrible

they're telling you Arabs and Jews hate each other they're telling you like so much stuff and it's like not not true but not nearly as like yeah you know the citizen app yeah so that's a big one over COVID everybody went on the citizen app and it just tells you the crimes in your neighborhood and every every Karen and then a lot of like marins you know me you know boy Karen yeah um I know a few I know one name that um you know someone named Marin for real yeah yeah and he is he's a male Karen yeah for sure um they started going they're like oh my god there's murders everywhere murders are up and it's like no murders are the same and crime and break-ins are the same.

You're just seeing it now. You're hearing about every one. If you were to hear about every traffic death, you'd be so frightened. You would never get in a car. You would never get in a car. Because you're like, no, people are dying every day. I've seen it.

And it's affecting your way you're thinking. But it was the same. They were just more in tune with it. Like, there was a murder three miles from here. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the stats. It's all about the same. Gone up 3% or down 3%.

But you're seeing it. So it's like, it becomes your reality. This anti-Semitism is the same way. I'm actually glad because I had the same theories on like black violence, Latino shit, everything. And people are like, oh, of course you, a white guy would say that. So finally it's a Jewish thing. So I could be like, yeah, see, it affects me. I'm also saying it's not real.

Yeah. You go outside. It's just a nice day. If you film the L.A., but not before the fires, but like, just show L.A. Intent City on the streets. Yeah. Right. And then you see a video that like, it's terrible.

It's awful. But you're skipping over the burrito places. Yeah. You know, you're skipping over that. video so all you see is tents yeah and then you get to stop the tape for like five blocks go to the next area where there's tents what about those five blocks and if you show just videos of burrito trucks and didn't show the tents everyone in not LA would be like oh my god I got to get to LA it's the streets are amazing so many great burrito places yeah I don't I don't understand why

I mean I guess I understand why it's just money but it just it just seems like we're we're just going to continue to go down that road yeah and never and that negative shit is the side effect of the money it's not even they're they don't want that i don't think the control thing i don't think that's real i think it's just like that's a side effect of them just like give us money get stay on here so we can advertise to you and yeah make more money yeah you think it never changes my sister got an ad on on instagram and said we're from maryland and she lives in new jersey now yeah started her life and and a t-shirt came up a maryland girl in a jersey world so that's directly for her you wouldn't see that ad yeah i wouldn't see that ad it would just never be shown to me they know what she is they

know who she is she's a maryland girl she's like she might buy this and they get it straight to her but they need her to be on there to see that ad it's just so so they're like let's show her some anti some stuff so they're like i can't believe they attacked some lady up it's like my friend we're all at the beach house once my friend is a new mom and she got an apple alert three people there were wearing Apple Watches with alerts. Only she got it. It was about a school shooting. What the fuck?

They wanted her to be angry. I wouldn't be mad at a school shooting. I wouldn't be worked up over it. She's going to be worked up over it. So they're showing it to her. She's a new mom. That it affects her world. So you think it's that targeted.

Yeah. And it's getting better and better and better. At targeting. And all the people who are like, well, I just stay off. I have these rules. I'd say that too. I'm a fucking idiot. These are engineers and bots.

thinking of ways to control me and i'm that's literally what the theory is yeah and i'm using like ideas like i'll just like go black and white on my screen or i'll just like not do it first thing in the morning you're crazy it's the weed of today versus the weed of before i'll just have a you know just like i'll just smoke one one blunt with my friends like that's a different time bro you're you're fucked if you do that now so you that's this theory yeah i mean that's basically this That's basically this, pull it, pull it, like make it bigger. No, I can read it. Oh, you can read it.

You got good eyes, goddamn. Yeah, I had surgery. The dead interest, oh, let me find the part that, okay, due to a coordinated, coordinated effort, the internet since 2016-ish, has consisted mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation to control the population and minimize organic human activity. manipulate consumers and minimize that's the talk we're talking about meeting a chick at a bar like let's minimize that let's control it yeah if you control the variables you can like predict it better that's why when like you play countin blackjack cards the more tens that have already come out the worse you are because the range on a two to nine is like pretty wild the more low cards come out you're like okay i know what 10 jack queen king are all worth 10 if i know more of those come out i can predict it better right are you a gambler yeah i love gambling yeah poker poker guy. SoCal is great

for poker. Fuck. So, yeah, I mean, it just seems. And this might not even be intentional. It's just something that happened. So you don't think they were like, but I feel like part of it is intentional. I don't know how much is intentional. I don't know how much is like guide a little bit. So they say like 9-11 was an inside job. I kind of believe

that they used 9-11. It was organic. Maybe we prop somebody up in another country and he planned this. Maybe they knew about it and didn't stop it. But they weren't like, hey, you guys should attack the world trade center i don't think it was that i think once it happened they were like oh shit okay that's bad we can use this though we can use this to grab people's freedoms and like control them better

tsa because right now they'll be they'll allow us to take it i feel like seeing the towers fall like it looked like a demolition yeah sure sure i don't know any of that and it's almost like i didn't know what it was supposed to look like i've never seen a big building that big fall yeah controlled or otherwise right i mean there's never been a building that big so how would you how would you know but like but like um what was i just gonna say oh it's like the looters for the for the for the fires the looters didn't start the fires but they're like once the fires came like oh they're out of here let's loot so humans they were looted yeah there were looters in in

covid times too all these people in new york went to the went to their summer homes to get away from the city and then people like hey these people aren't come back for months i'm going house to house breaking in those people didn't plan covid but they saw it and opportunity i think that's what so this it might be this too well this is like i think well in my perspective this is like 2016 2017 at least what they're talking about it starting was like really the end of mainstream media it started to feel that way and now it's like 2010 we gave up privacy everyone had a phone on them at all time so we gave up the idea of privacy as we knew it yeah um but i'm saying around this time is when when the internet really started to take off because i even

remember as a content creator making youtube videos prior to this it was like well the fuck are you doing like that's nothing like try being acting try and get to acting like that was everyone's goal yeah but around this time is when it was like oh this is a real thing like the internet's a real thing social media youtube is a real thing social bots were created intentionally to help manipulate algorithms and boost search results in order to manipulate consumers yeah i'm just it just felt like around this time this is when they were like okay and they say people were government agencies were using bots to manipulate people yeah it just sounds like they lost control over basically the main source of media and then it became social

media and it's like all right well let's well you've seen you've seen those things of like 50 different accounts posting the same exact thing you know where it's like where it's like I don't know about you but Lizzo seems like she's out of control right now I don't know about you but Lizzo seems like she's out of control right now I don't know about you and it's like different and you're like what what what how are these all posting the same thing like they're bots but like why would they do that and like they're either Indian bot farms that are trying to like show that they're normal so just like cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste. Yeah, just for views.

Or there's this thing. My friend told me, once you have a little bit of influence, you are an asset. So a normal guy in the street that has, you know, 200 followers, their votes worth something. You know, controlling their mind is worth a little something. Somebody that has 300,000 followers. Well, if you control them, you get a lot more reach. if Joe Rogan says something out loud a lot more people hear it than if I say it all loud

so he's an asset you're an asset so if I can get you into my cause I can get a lot of sway and if my cause is dog adoption I'll say something that's not so evil I'm going to send you a bunch of videos about dogs being abandoned

I want you to realize how dog adoption is important so I'll get a bunch of bots and these bots will be like Can you believe that dog was abandoned on Cahunga? And you believe in Cino, these three dogs were, we need adopting. And then they got me talking about dogs. Yeah, and you're like, I've seen it everywhere. They're really mistreating dogs.

They got to, we got to be better at this, you guys. Because your reality, the same way that citizen app is like, there's murders everywhere. Right. Your new reality is there's dogs being mistreated and they need help. And so now you say that to your big follower base and everyone hears that and goes, well, yeah, we got to do something. You're more important than I am. You're more important than he is on dog adoption, which is not a bad thing.

right now they might get to you on something else anti trans stuff pro trans stuff anti israel pro israel yeah these companies just pay a bunch of money you know to a to a cause collector the same way the people collecting signatures used to yeah care they're just paid to get signatures um and now you've you've reached influence and you see these people and they go no i know the world it happens to my friends they go oh new york's terrible right now huh it's like the subway ever's getting pushed on there i'm like no dude that's not a reality Litting on fire and shit. Yeah, they've gotten to you.

They've gotten to you and you're not seeing reality and there's no way for you to see it. There's two people in the old days who saw something. One sees black men getting shot by cops. Every day they see it and they're like, well, that's all that's happening. Another one sees a black house party and an old white lady come on. One of the guys picks her up on every saw this video. Yeah. So I picks her up and like starts to throw her to the pool but then slips and slams her head in the pool.

Slips on the side of the pool by accident. But also like don't pick up an old lady and try to throw in the pool. And so old ladies are saying that and go And then when they hear about police violence towards black people They go no I know what they're doing They're picking up old ladies and throwing them in the pools So their realities way different than that And everyone has this different reality

And none of them the actual reality The actual reality is a mixture Of lots of stuff And it's happening The bad stuff happening at like a 1% rate Yeah It's statistically insignificant It is fucking

This is like they're really They're getting us man Yeah It's fucking nuts I just watch this movie. They're getting us. And there's no way around it and we know it. There's so many times where we'll talk about doing something.

And then you get an ad. And it went from like, well, that's a coincidence to like, no, no, they're fully tracking us and listening. We all know it now. It's not a question. We all know it. 100%. What's the next step? The next step is what do we do about it?

Yeah. I think, well, I don't know. Get control back. I don't see them giving up control. So I think a bunch of people with pitchforks have to go to Zuckerberg's house and Elon Musk's house and murder both of them. Oh my God. That's the only way to get the control back. Holy shit. More Zuckerberg

than Musk. I don't know what they're, I don't know what Musk is doing exactly, but all those people control our thoughts, you have to get our thoughts back. And then if they're not going to give it back, give up control of their companies, we have to murder them. And we have to shut down those companies. Instagram and Facebook have to be

shut down. They are bad for all of us. You're a big Luigi fan then, huh? Fuck. I'm not going to say I condone it, but I know what got there. I know when women started outing men online, it's because nobody fucking took their rape claim seriously in the law. So eventually we got to do it ourselves.

And so there's sure some guys who didn't do anything, they got to accuse himself and lost their jobs. But that was a result of, sure, that was bad. It was a result of them going to the cops and then going, what are you wearing? I feel like this is too deep, though, now.

This is way too widespread too deep. Like how you... Yeah, so you have to actually turn the plug off on those things. I don't think it's changed. I think even if you kill Zuckerberg, it's the bots moving on without him now. It's Westworld season three When they're out of Westworld

And now they're in the world Bro, I just watched I just watched this movie Called Companion It's new Have you heard of it? Have you seen any And it's basically about like

When I, because I saw the previews And I didn't know what it was about I don't even think you can know What it's about Until you watched the movie And you watch the first like Maybe 20 minutes

But basically it's this guy who I'm just a spoiler here It's this guy who bought a robot That's like his girlfriend Like a companion Her? it's different her as different okay and yeah this is a movie companion and this was I literally watched this last night it was a good movie yeah but it was very like I didn't know it was going this

direction was that guy he was in an episode of uh yeah he's the main actor in that one well she is she is he was in an episode of um not black mirror of love death and robots I yeah I don't I don't I don't think I seen that one okay anyway whatever but yeah he this was a great movie You should watch it. But what I'm saying is like there was this, it's like a. And so she's a programmed companion. Yeah. So you don't know it right away until you know it.

And then you start seeing like there's another program companion for this gay guy in the video in the movie as well. But it's like the whole plot is he has this companion because obviously he's like a normal dude. He's like renting it. You find this out throughout the movie. And they're like trying to basically steal money from some rich guy. they have this companion like he like mods her to guide him to do no no for for her to kill him so that they can go he killed him and they could rob the guy basically but there's this very there's this very weird like once you realize she's a robot you're like wait what the fuck and then you

realize one of the other guys is a robot and then there's this weird moment where the robot people come to pick her up yeah and they're like they know that the guy's lying because he's trying to tell the story like how it happened and he's trying to tell the robot guys and they're like yeah okay well we'll get out of your hair and he's like yeah well and then they're leaving he's like well just we'll run the the diagnostics and just look at everything she saw and like and then he realized like oh I'm screwed I'm fucked that they look yeah because they're gonna see like all the footage and then they get in the car and they're like yeah it's like all these fucking weirdos are like tying these robot things up and doing all this crazy shit he's like that guy's so

fucked and then they end up he ends up killing they he has another robot it's a black mirror episode too no it's like you're gonna see everything but I swear to you I got done watch this movie and maybe maybe it was the mushrooms but I was like I got done I was like these are fucking movies from the future. You gotta watch this. But I feel like, dude, I feel like people came from

they time traveled and they wrote this movie like this is our future and it's fucking crazy because like the whole thing he's like having sex with it and it's like, they're weird moments

where you're like, wait, is that normal? Like he has sex with it and he just turns over and he's like, go to sleep. Oh really? Yeah.

Because it's obviously like it's like a sex robot too. Yeah. If you live long enough would you have sex with the robot? Yeah. I fuck I fucking mess somebody with an inside out sock of my dick.

Well, yeah, you don't think I want to elevate that experience. But that's what I'm so. Yes, obviously. But imagine the stuff we're talking about now and like this, the inception of shit and then having like these companions that are robots. Yeah. There's also, I should focus also. There's some good stuff.

Yeah. So like we're pretty close to going, hey, what do I know that guy from? And then going, you know him from this or are you knowing from this? You know, I was like, cool. Thanks. Great. Got it. But the murderous vibe.

there's not. Yeah, the murderouss are not the good part. Because you can, like, he modded her to, like, make her more aggressive and, like, there's just, like, weird app where you can, like, like, on the phone in the, in the movie. Yeah. You can, like, pull her intelligence up and all this kind of shit. You see it as you watch it, but it's like, I feel like this is our fucking future. Yeah.

What we need is no more pushing, like, if your feed should just be as it comes up. Like, everybody you follow should, as soon as you post, it should come up with my feed. Well, that's what Instagram was. It's right. And it was great. And if you posted too much, I'm like, I'm unfollowing you. You're killing my feet here.

Yeah. You're on a fucking nonstop, you know, I'm like, you're annoying me. Ironically enough, in 2016, 2017, that's when they changed it. Yeah. And it was like based on what they want to show you. How many people do you have going like, oh, you're still on this? I haven't seen a poster of you in like years. Yeah.

Damn, why not? I'm posting. Yeah, I'm posting every day. Like you're not an in kid. You're not doing what we want you to do. It's weird. So we're going to devalue your thing. And it's like, let me just get what I want.

There's the Chuck Taylor theory. What's that? You know, Chuck Taylor? The shoe guy? Yeah. Yeah. So it's not, it's not as popular as like Jordans. It's not as popular as a lot of shoes, but it always has its fan base.

It always has, I'm not wearing it right now, it always has a kind of guy who just likes it. And it's been sold for, from place to place. It's a theory I made up. It's not just right now. Yeah. Okay. And it'll always have a home for like greaser kids or whatever. the people like chuck do weightlifters use them to Nike used owner for a while

Reebok owned it converse owned it it's been sold it'll always make a little bit of a profit but it'll never be as profitable as the main shoes kind of like vans similar yeah sure so but in an algorithm setting there'll be no place for that there'll be no place for charles taylor's all-stars it just wouldn't happen because they're like no no we want the most people buying the most stuff like but i want to be exposed to the new chuck taylor designs because i like him yeah in this in this algorithm thing, they wouldn't have suggested it at all. Does that make sense?

Or am I losing it? No, I get it. It's just purely monetary. And so, like, what's the most popular one? Let's give that to everybody. So now we're looking at content that 14-year-olds are weighing in on.

And I want content that's only my type of person's weighing in on. Adult, dark people. Yeah, yeah. And so now, yeah, we're all making content for reviews, but those views are made by people that shouldn't even be in our audience base.

In the old TV days, it was just, let's make something good. And now it's like, let's make something, popular yeah so that's what this isn't funny my fun my special is fun here no no you know you're your special's great yeah thanks i think you're hilarious saying like this is not like us being hope yeah no no but i don't i i guess on this pot i tend to talk about more like no it's fine i'm just

like remember like fuck i'm not being fun i get riled up about certain things like this because they're killing us yeah no but that's i like to talk about it yeah and i kind of figure you would you would and they're killing my industry too they're like only crowdwork clips you should do crowd clips and there's a bunch of us are like why don't really do crowd work like that and that we feel pressured to do a thing that we don't normally do we see all these other people get in the head yeah and you're like well i do long form like nine minute bits yeah and they go well that's not being pushed right now so you should do something different like no you should find an audience for me that wants the nine minute bits don't push everyone to not but it's like it's not that

the audience isn't there yeah they're just not being pushed they are there they're there they're just not being because they're like more people like the short ones So we're going to show everyone in the short ones. Who made crowd work more popular? Was it was a Schultz or, uh, rife recently? Recently, I don't think Schultz does as much. So maybe Rife. I think it was, because he really blew,

but Schultz was kind of like one of the early ones to do it. Yeah. Like, like, and post it and stuff. I, because I, because I saw that. I remember that. I don't know how many years ago.

Yeah, we all had the last three years. Yeah, we all had as kind of a theory like crowdwork is easy. We all do it, but like, we're not proud of it. so we were wrong it's it's easy but it's also like there's some technique to it there's some technique to make some people better at crowdwork than others so this idea like anyone could do it's yeah but some people are really like legitimately great at big j o'cerson is the best one at it he does long form interesting crowdwork it's not like what kind of shirt is that would you oh do you look like a this yeah mix with this big j is doing this a style that's like so much more

elevated than literally everyone else um everyone else is kind of also showing their greatest hits so you go see them live and it's not nearly as fun they're only showing you the fucking ones they nail yeah so you have a faulty view of it but anyway we're all like yeah we can't show the crowd work that's lame and then show it's like show it and then and then it got good and everybody's like oh fuck well i guess i'll show mine too it was like interstitial stuff we did wasn't the stuff we were proud of but it was the stuff we did in between bits yeah and sometimes like that was a funny one but it was just right there in the last couple years they just really heavily pushed it the algorithm pushed it yeah they're like some people want this so we're pushing those way

harder than written bits and it was like okay so you feel this pressure to do it for money and views yeah but it's like it's not it that's not you that's not you yeah you know and there's a pressure to clean stuff up it's like well if you don't curse it'll get seen more like that's not the reason i should be doing it i'm entertaining this live audience and so i think a lot of communities have lost their way or we as a industry have lost our way but also there's a ton doing great stuff right so it's just it's just guiding us to do what we don't naturally want yeah such as like that's a problem that's in every industry though too exactly if you want to do something really like listen if you want to be a a documentary director you're just not going to make

as money as a film director but if you really love documentaries you should do it yeah so I guess that's the thing. Like I kind of though feel like it is somewhat coming back. My stuff is too dark. I'm too dark for a mainstream audience. I have a bigger audience than I did before. But I'll, I just can't be as big if that's what you're calling as your metric

as certain people that are just like cleaner, more accessible. And that's okay because I really love what I'm doing and my fans love what I'm doing. Yeah. So it's okay. And if you, if you find me like,

oh my God. The first time I saw SNL at 14, I it was already on the week before yeah I just didn't know and then I saw I'm like wow this is what can be on television it's so out there I feel like I feel like dark stuff's coming back though sure yeah heavily and Gen Z I get Gen Z gets it they don't get mad yeah jensi's so smart about it yeah the the younger audience is like they I think they want they want it I know what stand up is I know you're joking not a single part of me thinks is you serious about this yeah way millennials were so now they're like bring it yeah we know you're joking

Well, yeah, why? If you say you're happy about the fires, we obviously know you don't mean that. Right. Because you're not a lunatic. Yeah. So now let's laugh at the setups for that. Why do you think it, do you think it started to go that way just because of the way the platforms that were hosting the content?

I think I'm hopeful that Gen Z is aware of all this stuff, grew up with it, understands the negatives, has their time off to live normally, go hiking, do normal stuff. They really are taking it back. And they're seeing how their aunts and uncles were mad. about everything for no reason they're like that's not pleasant yeah let's not be like them yeah the way i went from like skiing to snowboarding because like my dad skis i'm not doing that and then another generation passes and they're like ew snowboarding that's for that's for old people it's funny that's fucking funny because i literally grew up in the snowboard generation and now i ski oh really but i do

both i can do both skiing's better it's more respectful ah that's great i wish i could do both you can't do both i tried one day to take snowboard lessons and it was like i'm missing a day of ski and it's the same thing though really i needed like two days to get good i've heard a day and a half yeah but i'm like i don't want to give up a day and a half out of the three days i have yeah i get it so so i guess i the question is do you think it it all starts to make more sense or get better is it just getting worse because i feel like we're going to end up in fucking so one tool is it's got a little negative one tool is go what are you hopeful for always ask like what is positive oh yeah gen z fucking taking it back they're great i'm taking their lead

they're really great sure sure And just positivity in general, there is good stuff. So they try to focus you on the negative. You got to fight back and focus on the positive. You know, look at, it's like Michael Jordan went 23 of 26 for 58 points. And you're like, and then the algorithm will go, miss those three shots. Those are bad shots. I'll look at this shot.

He was guarded. There was somebody open. Why did you do that? And you just got to go, hold on. I'm going to focus on the 23 good made shots he made. Yeah. And you just got to do it. And there's a lot of fucking great stuff out there.

Yeah. we're in a great time comedy's in the best place it's ever been do you think right now she i mean the ease at which so many people can make a living yeah it used to be a few care like a gatekeeper saying you get a special you get a special you get a special everyone else is out you either book a sitcom or you struggle now there's so many jeff r curries made a name for self jeff osmus all these people just make a name for the souls of the internet do you think podcasting is what really changed it for comedians podcasting Twitter when you can make jokes and get ahead on Twitter

when it was like just a chronological feed. I heard Trump said he wants to go back to you have to allow a setting to allow a chronological feed. Oh my every single person would do that. They'd forget at first and then they'd reset. You remember when they reset Facebook sometimes and you're like, you just post my phone number?

It would just come up. It was like, oh yeah, we said everything to public. Like, dude. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. So it'll go back to back to not chronological so they can show.

They're like, oh, sorry, new terms and services. Everybody reads in new terms and services. They just get an email. I'll never forget when they switched over Instagram because that was like my main platform. Oh, it was so fun and so great. You're exposed to new things. It was like every post at 5 o'clock because you knew people were on. Yeah, there was a right time to post.

So dope. Yeah, now you get shown something like, oh, why did you do it? Like, wait, that's what I'm like, three months? Why am I seeing this now? Because I just got into this thing. I just got into rock. I just went to Zion. So now you've shown me those rock comedy videos.

fuck man we're fuck i just hope it gets better i think it is even spotify is like a weird thing because and this is not nearly as bad as that but it tells you what music you're already like and it shows you more of that and it won't allow you to be exposed to new things the way the radio would so i've listened to k rock all the time when i was here and there was an alt station that went under i think 979 but it went latino which is what every radio station should do if you want money everyone's like why they go latino i'm like because they're the only ones listening to radio anymore anyway but you know i like weezer i like arcade fire i'm i don't love p o d it's kind of hate it but it'll show me a p o d once in a while you know yeah it'll show me that shit once in a while

and occasionally i'll be like like uh who's the armenian influence band lincoln park i think deftone is armenian okay i might be wrong That's a decent example. Not exactly my cup of tea. I love death tones. But I like Deftones. Yeah. And so I normally go, I don't want that genre.

So Spotify won't give me that genre. Spotify will give me the genres I already like, but I do like some shit outside my genre. And it allows me on recommendations to get into people like Billy Strings, who I'm like, I wasn't into bluegrass. And now I'm so into bluegrass. Yeah, I think the thing that it just requires more people now is like you have to, you can't just. You're going to seek it out. Yeah. You can't just take what you're given.

Yeah. you got to think like, oh, you like that movie? It would never present that movie to me. I'm going to look at it, and now it will present movies and film and TV in that, in that way. So, okay, you just got to guide your algorithm, but still. Yeah, it's a little difficult. I've been every time a news thing because I'm like, go, not interested, do not recommend the channel, do not recommend the channel?

And then it goes deeper and deeper because it knows it can get me. It goes, how about ABC 7 in Atlanta? They have a store. I'm like, no, no. And you want to just be like, hey, algorithm, no news. Yeah, there's something on my Instagram feed that I'm really, I kind of sketched about and i don't get it because i've never looked at it but it's always there yeah and it was uh it was like animals fighting other like dogs and shit fighting i was like well every time i do not interested

because you love dogs i love dogs i still see it and that hurts you when you see dogs fighting like but it gets you on there so but i see it i like i don't want to see this shit right like get this shit it's fucking trash yeah i know yeah and it's like it gets you from like something you're interested in to the worst version of it you know i saw that Santa Cruz had a dock that kind of washed away. Yeah, I see that. And I was like, oh, wow. And I was up in NorCal at the time. So like, whatever, just came across it in my feed normally. And I was like, looked at it. I showed it to somebody. So I called it up later. And they were like, oh, you like natural disasters, huh? And now it's a nonstop hurricane videos and rock slides and

mud slides. And then it goes from there to like, to like captive being fucking smashed with a sledgehammer. And I'm like, oh, like, oh, you like people dying and things. Like so a mess like this and then you got like step back after two months like whoa whoa what happened but don't you i just wanted to see that Santa Cruz thing i feel like you kind of like fucked up shit though i do but it's like at a certain level per day yeah okay and it gets you on there all day long it knows your darkest secrets yeah you got to put that phone and i'm like i don't want to do that you got to put the phone out and take some mushrooms in nature and you want to put it exactly that's what you need i took a nice three hour hike yes i put my phone on on airplane and then i keep

I keep a like a notebook in my pocket and I fall away from doing it sometimes. But it's little pocket notebooks and I take a pen. So it's like, so sometimes the risk is like, oh, tell so and so this joke, you know, like remind someone so that we got to meet tomorrow. You get an idea because you're out in nature and you're like, think clearly. And you're like, oh, invite, I don't know, invite Santino to go see some movie. Yeah. So you want to go, let me text them.

But if you text them now, you're going to be caught with seven other things. So there's a whole, when hike is over, do these things. It's funny how it's like so old school, but like that's, that's the shit that more people need to do. More people. Otherwise you're just. And then every time, yeah, then when you're done with it, you rip out the page and throw it away. If you get a joke idea, because if you get it on that phone, you're fucked. Yeah.

So directing you. And you're like, I'll just do it quick and get it. It's like, it's like I'll have one cigarette. Good luck with that. Yeah. Cigarettes are fucked. Yeah. I'm back on them now.

Really? Why? For a while when I go traveling. I love nicotine, but not. Yeah. I like rolling them when I'm in other countries. Oh, you roll like actual. when i'm in other countries sure yeah and then i come back here i'm like i'm leaving the pouch there

and then i and then i worked for a few trips and then the desires and then i'm like i'll have one with you and then eventually you're buying packs i'm not buying packs again yet but i was off and i'm right back on to be like what is the best thing to do when you're smoking cigarettes besides gambling talking with friends gambling's fun talking with friends like you guys all smoking i'll have one with you oh it's so great shitting and smoking dude shit and smoking that's freddie soda's advice you shit in you smoke and you got to ash you ash carefully in between your legs and so it goes and it makes that little as it like i get oh smoking clears up the shit so well let's do it together you got you got a you got a double

you got a double toilet no no just dude let's smoke cigarettes and shit next to each other it'll cover up the smell to a little bit guys all three of us what's your name again just it let's fucking cross streams bro let's smoke a cigarette cross poop streams it's never been done before we can break the internet who streams holy shit poop streams oh my god yeah so what what do you think gross busters yeah what do you think was the best time in your life oh what do you think i think it's some sort of at college maybe or maybe new stand-up 25 to 30 there's so many great times yeah and right now is pretty fucking great right now is pretty fucking great how do you determine what's great right exactly yeah you look back

in old times and you're like oh that was awesome you ever look back in a terrible situation with with like laughter like i miss my flight you almost have to i miss my flight it was torrential rain we're soaked to the bone all my shit was wet my computer got ruined but it was 12 years ago so now you're like oh my god do you remember that that was crazy all the pain is gone and it was just good memories but you would never go back to it it was awful i remember almost died on a kaii in the ocean once. Really? And it was,

from what? Been drawn out? No, so it was in, it was like towards Laguna. And this was actually one of the funniest moments of my life as well. And we could have taken the kayak like off a pier, which is what we should have done into the ocean.

Yeah. But we decided to take it. And we're not, I was not a kayaker. My buddy wasn't a car. He just had a kayak and he lived down there. And I was like, fuck it.

Let's go, like we're going to go fish off the kayak. Okay. And we took it straight into the waves. When we tried to do it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We tried to keep everything in there. And I'll never forget, like, we're going through this.

And obviously it capsized us. We're like flipped under it. I'm like, my friend's like halfway drowning. I'm halfway drowning. We're trying to get the fucking. But I was, this is the craziest thing. I'm glad I was a good swimmer. I weighed a lot less than at the time.

But I was like uncontrollably laughing, but also on the brink of death. Wow. It was one of the craziest moments of my life that I look back on. I'm like, holy, it's not where, like, it was so terrible that I was like, it was a funny moment, but I was like, well, I could have really literally just fucking drowned. Wow. It was hilarious, though. Yeah.

You know, when you're in weird moments where, where you just laugh and it's like, it's like, you can't even control it. Like, yeah, it's something that comes out for some reason. I don't know. Maybe it was a fear. And it was just the laughing was the only thing that helped me. Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

Because I remember looking across, looking across from him and he was like, the thing hit him in the head and he's like, fucking trying to grab back on and get up. And I'm like, maybe because I'm a little bit less drowning. that I was I was kind of laughing and I'm like trying to save him at the same time. I don't control you are like when in a roller coaster and you start laughing

or terror of terror goes up and down you're just like no no no at this. Yeah. Except that I was like about to die in those. And then another one man I a friend of mine crashed his car once and it was like we were like doing this thing I can't really describe it in exact detail but um because I don't know where that's going to go

but uh he crashed his car straight into a wall basically damn very very fast and his car pretty much got told him. But he hopped out. And the second he hopped out and I was like, okay, he's okay. And I just started like almost crying laughing because I didn't know how to react.

Yeah. I had somebody in sleepaway camp that told him his dad died. He started laughing. So anytime somebody goes like, wow. Yeah. Like in the moment?

Yeah. Fourth grade, fifth grade. Holy shit. Yeah. So whenever you see somebody like looking at like court videos or somebody like they wouldn't react that way if this happened. You're like there's a wide range of possible reactions

and you don't know. you don't know what someone would do or why or there's just like everything's possible so you don't know shit have you ever been in a weird situation where you're like you almost died yeah a bunch really yeah i travel a lot i take dumb chances well planes nowadays apparently it's the craziest thing ever that's another thing on the internet i'm like i don't even want to travel yeah see plane crashes i wonder are they up are they the same as always i bet about the same as always or safer yeah It's very likely. Yeah, I went out on an, in, um, Anchorage.

Alaska. Yeah, there was, um, this mud that, that freezes, um, like on the banks of the sound. And so it freezes so you can like, it's, you know, it's Alaskan winter. Yeah. But this was like, this was like April. So it signs like, don't walk out on that, but you test it. You know, like, yeah, I'm fine. And you walked out there.

And I walked out 200 yards. And I'm just, even you read the sign. Yeah, but I'm like, fuck, those signs don't apply to me. I'm fine.

Right. Yeah. And then a bunch behind me just, like thawed, cracked and fell in. And there's no getting out. That's, that's in like lighter mud

in frozen water, like, almost like quicksand kind of shit. Yeah, kind of. You'd just be in, you'd just be dead. You'd die.

There's no way. They would have to have a helicopter above you right then with a rope. Oh, like already there that's the only way you're getting out of that and that's not there so so it's behind me by like 60 yards or so so section towards land you back towards land in between me and safety what the fuck yeah and i'm like fuck and then it hit me like oh there's no there's no safety measures here there's no regular american safety measures except for that sign that you're like fuck that sign yeah

and there's just not getting out of it you're just not getting away there's nothing there's no harness like when you're a roller coaster you will be fine like you might be thrown but there's the straps in there there yeah and i'm like i'm free of straps and i can't get back now because there's no way to get back so i had to go out around and and then i hear like the mud kind of holy shit and i'm like fuck fuck yeah every step then became very careful but at any moment it could just fall it's it's not solid and man i got back onto the concrete and it was just like i don't know if i breathe like the whole time back i think i might have holding my breath the whole time that's fucking scary and they're like okay how old were you 20 30 maybe 29 30 it was in

comedy right I was there for a comedy trip yeah and you're like you're gonna die here no one's gonna know and then there's a lot of times when you think you're in danger where you're actually were never in danger yeah that's more often where I thought like these guys are gonna rob and kill me and they're just christian's trying to do outreach you know he'd see him coming at you like oh fuck oh man so okay yeah i think okay so the different times that you had joy high school and grade school recess and like your your problems looking back were so nothing we're like i'm not a popular kid like oh yes you are all these girls in college every woman thinks are like ugly and i'm like

you don't realize if you are 20 years old you are the the worst ones is seven The worst one's a seven. That's such a crazy take. I mean, even if you're chubby, it's a smooth fat. Your lips are full. I see what you're saying. You're just like, you have no idea how hot you are. And you're comparing yourself to your other, the ones in college

I have only fans accounts. You're already pretty fucking hot. And you're never going to be this beautiful in your life. And so like enjoy it. Like, oh, and you see these girls are like, I guess I'm gross. You be a get. And you think you're gross. I mean, even some of the hottest girls are like that,

even like the hottest chicks. So besides the fact that you thought, your thoughts were dumb, your fucking negatives were dumb. You'd look back on that now. But that was a good time. College was a great time because now you could drink. You could actually drive pretty well

and like do stuff, go to parties. It felt like, and then after college was like no responsibility. You're on your own, paying for an apartment, barely. like I said, it's fun to be poor in LA and I was and it was just like I had my crew of people

at the comedy store we were all trying to do something with our lives. Potential was all there. There was no lack of potential yet. There's no undone potential unrealized potential. Yeah, you didn't hit like any walls yet. Yeah, it was all possible.

You really could be anything. And then the more you go through, more stuff starts to be like, you can't be that. You can't be that anymore. Is there anything you regret? Not joke-wise. If anything you regret in your life?

Yeah, tons. I don't regret like it's going to hold me back, but tons of like spend more time with friends, study less in college. Study, get good grades. But the more important thing in college is the friends you make, they're going to be who's with you forever. And they're going to help you make,

even if they fade out of your life, they're going to help you make new friends later. Just the interactions in general. Practice. Get good grades. Get ahead. But like, chill. It's not that big a deal.

Yeah. Don't fret on with you. college you get into you're going to have a good time no matter where you go don't like yeah little things like spend more time with the people you really enjoy yeah it's getting even more overshadowed today i think because the internet like that simple that like most simple thing yeah you're like yeah you're an hour there you're in fucking paris and you spend an hour online you're like fuck dude i only have like 130 hours here and one of them today was spent staring at that black mirror yeah it's like that's bad that's feel regret for that yeah and i've done it a few times and

just like i don't know not being there for friends always i'm pretty good at it but i let the ones that i was bad at it hurt me and then you know then actually can be a good thing because the next time somebody's like needs you like I'm gonna be there for you learn from yeah and you're actually better off that's a hard thing though sometimes just actually learning from the shit yeah it's okay that was wrong did you always think you were gonna be a comedian you're gonna be a lawyer must be in college yeah lawyer was like the was the plan actually i was trolling yeah lawyer doctor for jews yeah and if you have to guess their middle name always guess david you're gonna be right at about a 40% rate

unless the first name is did your parents think you're gonna be a comedian you know no no one did yeah it was funny i was one of the funnier kids for sure but no nobody it wasn't now it seems like a real job was so popular back then it was not a real job yeah nobody was we knew of a few comedians but no one he could do that yeah but so you couldn't get any help from your parents paying bills or anything if you told them you're going to do that like no fucking way yeah so i was poor for a while but i had a fallback i had a safety net i could always move back kill my parents yeah so three years in a row i made a total of well hold on 20 20 wait 33 000 i made 13 grand 9 grand and 11 grand over a three-year period what age was this 27 to 29 oh shit yeah but i got by

And, you know, I just didn't, I couldn't pay for a beer, but I was having fun at the comedy store, friends, learning stand-up. It was so exciting. What made you want to be a comedian? I just didn't want to do a real job. You have a weirdo job. Some people have what I call weirdo job. Yeah, this is a weirdo job. Yeah.

A hundred percent. Yeah. Barista is also a weirdo job. It's not the normal job, you know. This is one, stand-ups one, writer. You, Justin. you know that's not a regular job yeah um you just didn't want a regular job yeah it felt so scary to me what about that was scary under those like those long lights what are they those halid

fluorescent fluorescent lights just like went to visit my friend she was from college she was worked for price waterhouse cooper's library and price waterhouse whatever it was she was hey i've got a big business meeting in her seminar or whatever in los angeles and i went to meet her because there's free lunch upstairs we can go I was like all right it was poor I thought everyone's in there eating at their desk under those

fluorescent lights and I started hyperventilating because that should have been my life and I was like we gotta go outside we gotta get out of here we gotta get out I was like really freaked out I didn't want that so I ran away so I took the coward's way out yeah people say you're brave to do these things

I was actually cowardly to not do that it was like ugh really scary I don't know, is it cowardly? Because it's like, you recognize it wasn't for you. Yeah, right. But it's like, it's like, that's what you're supposed to do. You have to. And I'm like, I'm scared.

I'm scared of fucking getting a picket fence with two fucking kids, one that disrespects me, you know, and like, knowing the law. Well, does that have to be something you've seen in your life? Yeah, I just want something different. I'm a contrary. Yeah. So, yeah, why did you do this? oh man podcasting or just making content herculane no i was skinny i was small my father took his life when i was really young and i struggled with like just the idea of like what life and

death was what i was going to do and then when i found i guess sort of father like figures in the gym it made me be like oh this is what i've always missed and then it just i was like i got to be here a lot of luck too you just happen to be in the gym and see those people yeah yeah you know you could had gotten caught by somebody else and seen a father figure somewhere else for sure yeah because i played sports so i would have little moments when i was a kid like a young kid being like oh the you know the the the adult male at the time would talk to me and say oh do this better do that you do this good and i'd be like oh yeah you want their you want their love yeah like oh this is new to me i like this so then i kept finding myself like playing sports and then i when i found the

weight room that's when it was like it sounds weird but it was more intimate because like they're directly there like working out with me and being like oh try this try that and you succeeded with success. Yeah. Nice. Good life. And I just realized that like it also helped me when I did it, it helped me escape the thoughts of like not being good enough for that love.

Right. And do you realize, do you know now that your dad killed himself because you were a bad kid? Yeah. Oh my God. Fucking great. That was good. That was great timing.

Yeah. You were like, it's so. It's so funny because no, for sure. when I was a child like I was thinking like what the fuck am I not good enough yeah definitely obviously that was a great depression and whatever yeah great fucking joke because there was made that joke to the kid not he would have fucking cried dude yeah you'd have fucking lost it but I could I can look back now and go it's it was obviously not that it was so much more complex and it's I just it took

a lot longer to learn that yeah because then you get old and you're like oh I see how fucking difficult life can be and you know this person how do you not kill yourself to be honest So much, so many setbacks. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great joke. Thanks. Fucking good. I really respect that.

It was a misdirect with tone. No, that was awesome. Oh, man. So, yeah, I struggle with that. And then it kind of like, it's also what made me, it 100% made me who I am today. So I can't, having all this and being able to do this is like a massive blessing. It was sitting and talk to people.

And like, that's fucking, to make a living doing that is the craziest. I never, I didn't think I was going to be able to do this. I didn't even think I was going to be able to do this. be able to do that i just did it right and then it was like oh people liked it because i would talk about my relationship to my life basically in whatever i was doing not as i guess comedy's kind of similar it's just more organized no i mean i fell into the right crowd yeah if i didn't i wouldn't have still been a stand-up so so so to aspiring sort of like comics how do how would someone even find the right crowd yeah it's like i didn't look for it on purpose it was just like that's who you came

you make friends at open mics if those friends have a work ethic or develop a work ethic then you're going to get one too if you ski with someone who's a little bit better than you you're going to try a little bit more more tricks if you ski with somebody worse than you and now you're guiding you're not you're not growing yeah yeah so i just happened to be surrounded the comedy store at the time the owner had gone away no one was really running the ship and we were all just trying to get better we weren't successful nobody there was making a living bobby lee and rogan really the only one's making a living so we're all just like let's everyone else the factory and the improv they were successful ones we were just trying to get good

at jokes and and riffing and and just like work in rooms and like and that's what people like nice way to get it there that's a good good good that was our success and you're around people who just happened to but it could have easily fallen with people who were like I'm looking for money and those people got financially successful you know they're not people I envy but I like their cars yeah um so it's like You just got to go up a lot. You've got to do bad rooms. Go up nonstop. Just keep going up on stage.

Any chance you get till you learn to love it. And then you don't feel comfortable not going up. But also, if you don't want to, you just, you don't want to. There was this door guy at the comedy store who, he was a practice player for the Kings hockey team. And so he got to know Wayne Gretzky, the great one. The goat, yeah. and he was with him once doing a book signing just like I'll keep your company whatever he saw this he saw a dad come in line to like do a signing with his kid his kid was like let's say

14 he goes Wayne tell tell my son how important is to practice obviously practice is important right and and Wayne Gretz goes oh yeah no you should yeah um important you should and he left and my buddy said he said he asked him he's like what was that and he goes what he was like yeah well it was so standoffish like why did you why did you say it like that he goes i don't know when i was 14 like you couldn't get me off the ice it's all i wanted to do you're telling this kid he has to want it he doesn't want it damn you can't just want it you just have to you just have to it has to be in you so go find something else that you want yeah you know you're Jim is my stand-up.

Yeah, it makes sense. So, yeah, when I started doing Jiu-Jitsu, this guy Shigaki, I think he got a black belt now, but he was an Eddie Bravo, 10th Planet Brown belt when there were no black belt yet. He was a hundred and, like, 25-pound Japanese kid

who could choke me 80 times in 17 minutes. And he would give me help. He was really helpful with everything, and he'd be like, you've got to think about this nonstop. You've got to be thinking about moves in the car. You've got to be thinking about, you know, like, oh, okay, if I do that.

Just, it's got to be on your mind all the time if you want to get good. And I was like, oh, I've already got something I can call in my mind. I've already got stand up. Yeah. So he goes, oh, well then, okay, then you're not going to get good at this.

I was like, yeah, I'm not. And I never did. It's weird because nowadays, like a lot of people do things, I think just because they see other people doing them. And it's not true. Especially because of the internet. Yeah. And like that was the most,

like that Wayne Gretzies story is actually really interesting because that's the fucking truth. It's either part of you like deeply or it's not. Yeah, religion's that way too. you have to believe if you believe you can get into it if you don't believe you can't make someone believe to do it that's just no belief there yeah you have just where's your passion so in the fountainhead peter keating who's his architect he never really loved it he was actually a painter but he never got into painting so he was like 45 years old and by then it was too late yeah and he was busy making money at

architecture trying getting ahead and meeting all the big big wigs that can get them better business but like it wasn't his passion ever it was always a little bit so-so so so the kid so to the kid who's listening was like i don't know what the fuck i want to do how do they figure it out then i heard jordan peterson talking one time he said it pretty well i don't don't it's important to not worry about the messenger just the message yeah so the fountain head is and random people go like well she you know she took social security when she was older i'm like what i don't know it's a great thing gives a fuck yeah yeah like i don't i don't i don't anyway so jordan peterson said we're supposed to like just

point at something and go and then if you realize well that's not right goes okay you've ruled one out like let me go this way and go and then it's like let me try uh painting like nah it's not my thing well let me try working out that's not my thing but i like i like the the breathing and you're like okay maybe hiking outdoor try that you're a little closer like okay so i like no i don't like that but i like the outdoors my camping maybe camping is my thing okay now we're closer now we're closer yeah you just keep narrowing things down and you get closer and closer to what you love when you're 22 that's the right age you know yeah 18 to 27 is like be pointing at something go you're waiting for it to find you it's not going to find you yeah you got to go find it uh shepherd fairy said like he goes this idea

of inspiration is like you wake up with a song in your head and you quickly write it down because that's not it he goes it's sitting at a canvas at a blank canvas for eight straight hours a day for three days in a row until and locking yourself in that studio They're like, oh, maybe that. And like, in just suing it, there's no, it doesn't come at you. Yeah. That's a fucking fact. Yeah.

I think because I, like I said, I think the internet makes, makes people pick things that aren't genuine. That aren't for them. And then sometimes you like something for a while and then don't. I used to golf three times a week. I haven't golfed in five years. I just don't like it anymore. I would, but it's just, it doesn't call me anymore.

Yeah. So you had to be willing to, like, shift off things to. The internet wants you to be the same thing for forever. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fact. I feel bad I'm more into acid now than mushrooms. Because I was the mushroom guy. Because you have that whole thing.

I'm the mushroom guy. So I feel like I'm betraying something by like, actually, I'm kind of enjoying acid now. It's a lot of similarities. What the fuck? What the fire would that make? But something about me, it's like, I've made, that's my like umbrella. So how can I not be that? So you should have to be able to rethink this.

What about acid is better to you? It's clean. It's way cleaner than mushrooms. I've never tried acid. I'm more afraid of that. longer so you really got to start by a certain hour in the day. Is it more visual? Because apparently it's more visual.

The feeling is you clean. There's mushrooms, someone's like, oh, I just want to like, you don't want to do anything. You get up to like, oh, let's go for a walk. You walk 10 feet and like, let me sit back down. You know, you're just like, you become a mushroom. You really do it. You become a mushroom.

Well, an acid to you, it's like, you're more active. It's electric. It's electric. You're more active. Yeah, you're, you're, yeah. Sure, this. more visual sometimes it's about twice as long maybe maybe not you know 90% more yeah yeah yeah more aggressive though huh it's aggressive yeah and the amount you can take is like it's so small yeah mushrooms it's a whole cap and stem you're like if i took a little too much i'm about in the

range but but acid though can you take and can you can that one actually kill you i feel like there's Let's look that up. Yeah, look that up. I mean, it's like, I don't know. It's got to be laced with something, but nobody laces acid. There's probably like other, there's probably like other drugs that, you know, you shouldn't be taking with it. But technically, a person cannot take so much LSD that it kills them.

So, well, Google said it all take it. Right? Well, no, it's from drug abuse.com. Okay. That's super good stuff. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I don't know. Fuck it.

I don't know. I've just I've read more about I guess the reason why I probably stayed away from this one it's just a little more aggressive I think I don't know yeah ask people to do so the cool thing now is people go it's this many milligrams or whatever they call MCGs yeah they tell you what it so like edibles in the old days like here's here's a brownie oh my god but now it's like how many how many milligrams is this and you're like 15 60 200 like oh shit 200 okay so you know what you're getting yeah so people know better now but um something She's got to give it to a crazy friend and let him test for you.

You get eight tabs. You got to let somebody like, I'll give you one tab for free if you report back tomorrow. I've done that. Jason Rouse. I got an eight thing. I was so scared. I got an eighth thing of acid. He was like, I'll, I'll test for you.

He goes, give me two, though, because if it's good, I'm going to want to do it again. I was like, all right, here's one for now and you get one for later. You need a crazy friend. Yeah. You need a crazy friend. Yeah, I've not, I've kind of always wanted to try this, though. It's great. It's really great.

you want to I don't know all the situations of what to do on acid because mushrooms always like outdoors yeah outdoors be alone have a have a home base yeah um not be alone but be like away from like a lot of people that you don't want to like interact with have a home base so if you walked around this neighborhood you're fine you could always come back here but right okay got my walls got my dogs yeah yeah I always tend to have someone with me just in case I'm a hyper a little bit of a hypochondria. It's nice, too, but also if you wander off, he'll be fine.

You know, I was like, we got to find so and so. He's like, he's fine. He's on mushrooms. He'll be fine. Just drink water. Every story of like, well, no, because my friend almost fucking, he jumped off a fall off a cliff. Yeah.

And it's always almost. It's always, my friend got arrested and it could have been really bad, but they let him out the next day. But I'm like, it's right. So he's fine. It's always fine. It's always, it could have happened. It got close to this.

None of those stories are really like somebody died. Yeah. You do this. often what acid no i'm super scared of it but if i'm at a concert at a festival where i can like where i can like really what the fuck yeah if i'm gonna i i mean i took some of the killers in glastonbury but it was like when the killers is done i'll still be at glastonbury we'll still be outdoors in the safe environment for the next seven hours it's always a set and setting make sure that's yeah and then i was like going to sleep as the sun came up in edinburgh i remember like i'm on acid

I'm on a golf course and the sun's coming up. Like, I don't remember how I got here, but. That's probably beautiful, though. Oh, it was great. Yeah. Get a nice Scottish breakfast in the morning. As you're coming down and going to sleep at fucking 10, 10 a.m. You're living, buddy.

Oh, my God. I got to pee real quick. Hold on. Yeah, me too. You want to go this one first? You go. I'll go after you. Bro, are we taping?

Yeah. I just found out that someone went to your assembly and did not take mushrooms. And that is disrespectful. Yeah, it is. To the culture, Justin. There's a culture to the Nalnape. I don't know who the Indians are out there, but whoever the fuck they are.

There is a group out there for sure. Yeah. That's disrespectful. It is, man. You didn't connect to the landfoldy. It's crazy. What the fuck was that? What the fuck?

Yeah, that's the algorithm agreeing. Yeah, yes, we agree. You have no choice, but you have to too. So, yo, you did a pod with Maton. How was that? He's a little crazy, huh? He's a little crazy, yeah, but fun. Yeah.

It's so funny. We were just talking like, this world is like, all overlapping yeah the LA podcast influencer world yeah because he came on mind he's nuts he's crazy he's nuts yeah he was gonna come on mine I have a travel podcast you'd be tripping and they're like would you want him on there I'm like but he's like a character I want a real he's a full character yeah I need an actual person I like them a lot and I like doing his but like yeah just I just want to get him to I want him to use his real voice sometimes no never a ton never never never keep staying in that character you're great yeah he he does crush it though oh it's so

funny going up or accepting an award for the best video game of the year and he's up there and he has never made a video game it's like great he's good yeah do you do you I like that I like people fucking with fucking with the reality yeah yeah I'm a shit stir I like shitsters are there any are there any sort of like newer content creators that you watch or you enjoy or Westby Westby who the fuck's that I don't know how to say it you E S-P-I-I-I-I-I you E-S-P-I-I-I-R- No What the fuck? Yeah, that one.

Yeah. Japanese one? Yeah, that one. He just does the craziest shit. He's just always making dumb stuff about masturbating. Yeah. I don't even know if he's a content creator as much as like, you get a login to do these on the computer.

Fucking stupid ass. But he's great. He's just always making me laugh. Short, dumb fucking things. Yeah. So you spend time on TikTok and shit? no this oh there's instagram i bet he's on tic talk too yeah but he's one that comes up that i'm like i'm not wasting my time this is actually funny it's not getting me mad about the world

yeah he's just talking about how much he goons you know yeah and then he'll do like a fun thing where he'll be like it'd be like he'll find something online some like thing online so that everyone's talking about um it'd be like i don't know if it's i don't know what new is but remember like gold dress blue dress of course yeah so it'd be a gold dress blue dress and he holds up a a gold dress and then he'll hold up he didn't do this but it's something like he would do and he'll hold up a blue dress and then he'll go like which one do you think and then he'll like they both drop and he's just got fingers up you know it's just hide it it's just like dumb quick 30 second funny stupid things and never get serious do you think you could ever you think

you'd be a do you think you could be like a internet content creator no no like live i like live audience yeah yeah that's my thing why is this because like the feedback just my thing yeah the feedback just like I'm here to put on a show for these people who are at this show and this actually shouldn't go past these walls some of this stuff is only for these walls do you do you have any jokes that you've that you've only done in person that weren't recorded yeah tons are those like the darkest jokes yeah some are just like no one else else it has to be time in place if you see like four Hasidic Jews show up in the audience and like okay this is a very specific joke I can only make right now right after you know a terrorist attack or whatever i mean i did one it's like there was

four israeli guys at my show on on thursday were they dancing yeah but they weren't religious or anything i was like what are you guys like no i'm like oh israeli the dark hind and like yeah the dark kind i'm like uh you guys should be fighting though shouldn't you and they were like no it's ceasefire i'm like what if you were the hostages and you're just like no we're just seeking hiding out in la and then it's like hostages are free you're like oh shit oh fuck and you have to know that those guys aren't too like angry about Israel yeah do it in the moment so you say something they laugh a little so like okay they're not uptight and if they're not uptight never can see them that means no one else is gonna be uptight about it you read

the room because if if there was something bad thing happened that day everyone's like no we're not in the mood right now and then the joke just works right there in the moment it can't be recorded a week later it wouldn't make sense yeah i just like those comedians are good ones are just so quick, quick-witted. Yeah, it's just a practice experience. Is that practice, though? Like the thing we talked about earlier, do you think some people just have it?

Some people have to just have it. Some people are quicker, but it's training to where you don't even notice that you're quick at it. So you think you can become a great comedian like that? Yeah, I mean, you know all the muscles, right? You're just kind of known by heart now. In a sense, yeah.

Yeah, so it's just innately like, okay, this will do it. And other, when they're brand new to that stuff, you're like, wait, okay, so which one is this peck? And if I do that, will it work out that? And I'm like, no, it's mostly, you just don't know until it becomes like, I know everything that works out everything without thinking about it.

Yeah. So you're just quick of like, I know which road to go down. In basketball is a good example. So I'm at the top of the key, you know, ball basketball at all? Yeah, yeah. And then the ball kicks out, the basket's down there. The ball kicks out this way.

So defender that was over there has to run at me. So now I've got him off guard. He's running at me. I can shoot if he's too, if I'm just past. the foul line i can shoot if he's too slow i can pass because he's coming out me you can't defend that way or i can because he's off balance i can go at him and go around him but they know that inside a millisecond what they should do yeah you know they're not like well here are my options

it's too late now he's on you you think comedy's like that yeah you just you're just innate quick you know accessing shit that's just in there you so you almost but you have to be a little bit smarter than the average person yeah boxers too you just they're going to do this you're not like okay if he's pushing but these are all physical things right the comedy is like straight mental yeah a lawyer has to know when to go i object um i think i can get away with this one maybe i'll hold on the objections because it might not i might overuse it this judge is getting mad at me so it's like your parents should be proud of you're basically a lawyer look at this yeah that's right what the fuck fucking win yeah no i just i'm really impressed by comedian especially stand

up in crowd it's magic i'm like fuck yeah when i go see it i'm like damn how do they do like get Stavros or Schultz or Jeff Rasmus or any of them it's like it's magic they're doing I want to do it yeah no I'm just kidding I'm terrible about it yeah I can't do it you'll fail I will I will totally take solo so many years of failure before you get good it sucks yeah I won't do it who you think the best comedian currently is I don't like words like that's too exclusive there's taste yeah so it's like it's it's like yeah who do you enjoy right now who do you watch the most these young comics it's like that and that's how i grew up on comedy too it was like i didn't have cable so it was the free stuff that came on like on tonight show or whatever i didn't

know these guys it would come on i'd watch it and i'm like now they're out of my memory i remember the jokes and not them yeah all these young killers there's so many they're just great it's such a great it's such a great it's such a great time you think it's better l a new york for comics it's new york it's not a question really yeah it's not a question Here's where you come to make a lot of money and get into something else. You come to L.A. to be a stand-up to get into acting.

Go to New York to be a stand-up to be a better stand-up. Why do you think this is a neat, like a... There's more stage time, so it's more practice. More opportunity breeds more talent. There's a reason Cory Bryant stayed in the gym past everybody to get better. It wasn't because he didn't have a home to go to who

because he wanted to get better. Led Rice would just not leave the gym until he had swish 10-3s in a row. Yeah. So he's a fucking lights out shooter. In New York, you get three spots in a night is normal. In L.A., people are doing five or six a week were high-end. I was doing eight a week in L.A., and everybody was like, what?

Is it because there's more places or there's just less people watching comedy? Yeah, and you've got to drive, so it takes longer to get places. And the work ethic is not that. It goes more towards like your acting audition that you've got to prepare for. And there was some of that in New York, but it's, In New York, it's just, yeah, you could do seven, eight in a night. It's no question. It's not a question.

What about this? It's not like I really prefer it. It's not a question. What about the move to like Austin and shit? Like Joe. So cool. Yeah. Yeah.

But is it is that is it is it, is it, how would you compare it to New York or L.A? Oh, not close. Not at all. No, not close. You think it ever would be? Yeah. It's a burgeoning scene. It's very exciting in that way.

It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a new interesting thing. if you're a young comic usually you do a year or two in a small town and then after a year and a half you go to a big town chicago atlanta boston san francisco a big b city um go to austin there's so much opportunity there and possibility lots of clubs lots of station lots of stage time which is what you need really lots of stage time and when those comics when those five-year comics that just moved to austin 10 years from now they're going to be 15 year they're going to be running the comedy scene they're going to be the best ones yeah and they'll be an austin-based comics but no not now you have a few people that move

there kind of older comics on the on their way kind of down some on their way up but but there's like one main club which is great which is not really a test and then like a lot of like small rooms which is good for like the lower level comics so it's a cool great scene it's ahead of chicago ahead of atlanta actually if you're a black comic atlanta's probably better yeah if you're doing black comedy not if you're a black comic um all better than san francisco now in the bay which is also still a good scene i think it's new york one london two la three big step down to austin four and then uh and then a and then a and then a pretty big step down to chicago i see and those are the b cities but austin's like right on the cusp of being an a city

it's got five or six of the top 500 comics in the world but just five or six i see new york has like 200 of them yeah what do you think makes him was the top comic just like just numbers yeah yeah yeah there's no actual like yeah you know it's just like like that guy's one of the best i don't know yeah yeah well how do we get you in the gym more uh i have a gym i own a gym really yeah put drugs in there acid acid yeah have an acid bin we'll have an acid bin we'll have an acid And an outdoor area in the back. That's how we get our area. Yeah, maybe like if it's a nice day, like, hey, guys, do you have that,

the battle ropes and like the whole, what's that, what's that game? We have to like, some people set it up for their kids in their backyard. The ladder thing? You have to go like this and they do a ladder. And it's like, that's the shit on the internet where they have the kids jump in the obstacle course. Yeah, yeah. But what is that opposite course on TV? Is it, Ninja Warrior?

So if you have a Ninja Warrior course out there, shut it down. Like, it's, it's for drugs today. It's a drug day. And if it's really big, then we're going to play on that. And it'll be great. That's how we get you there? Yeah, you'll get me in the gym. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, you're like, you can go there, but you got to earn it. You got to earn it. I got to start, I got to start lifting, actually. Yeah. As I'm getting older, I know I got to start, like, putting on some ass. Yeah. Because it just gets harder. Yeah, I do, I ski like crazy when I ski.

I hike whatever I can, but it's like not real working out. It's just like getting some motion. It is. I mean, it is good. It's definitely good for cardio for sure. Yeah. And then New Yorker walk around all the time. But this isn't like working out.

It's just staying a touch active. You never wanted to get jacked ever in your life? Were you ever like, I also want to be a black belt and karate. Yeah. But work ain't worth it. You know, if I could matrix it,

let's jack it. Fuck, dude. Well, man, I appreciate you coming for real. Yeah, it's cool. It's fun joke.

Yeah, you don't. Yeah. And so, so right now the current special is America's sweetheart. Yeah. I'm also on tour right now with a different hour of comedy. Yeah,

tell them where they find you, all that. Find me at Ari Shafir.com. on my tour dates a r a shafir on on instagram and uh and uh youtube i've got a podcast called you be tripping you'd be tripping pod on youtube was that mushroom or acid inspired sort of no but there's about drugs it's about travel yeah some of it overlaps with drugs for sure nice but it's about a different different place for people have been doing this shit they got into like i see you're yosemite it'd be about being too frightened to take

mushrooms like a man yeah what the fuck dude what the fuck that is actually really weird what the fuck like half of the point how are you really i was in yosemite over the summer i took mushrooms i actually recently of course claro clara fucking oh vision so where the where are the tours right now uh it's going all over till april and then i'm taking about a year and a half off okay so so all over i'll be in san jose in california i'll be like atlanta seattle all through canada florida denver tampa just kind of everywhere right on yeah and other places too san antonio i don't know for sure i appreciate you coming man thank you so much for real blessing yeah greatly really good let's smoke cigarettes

what i got to get you to get on the couch and do bonbons all day nothing i can't do it i'll never do it