RAWTALK - Why Ashton Hall Is Giving Up Everything & The Reason He Raced IShowSpeed

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

On this episode of RawTalk, Bradley Martyn sits down with Ashton Hall and talks about the morning routine that changed his life, evolving beyond fitness content, navigating doubt, redefining love, addressing steroid allegations, racing IShowSpeed, collaborating with MrBeast, why he’s resetting his life for peace & much more!Sponsor RAWTALK: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/rawtalkSUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK?sub_confirmation=1LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rawtalk/id1294154339FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY:INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvzSBNBOK599FqzrTZS8ScQ/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWTQG2aMDYKGDqYEGqJb1FA/?sub_confirmation=1SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartynonline?sub_confirmation=1RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

Oh, shit. It's a pleasure, man. This one's overdue. Yeah, this one's long overdue. What was the time, before we get into it, Ashton Hall, thank you for coming on. What was the time like before the time in between? Because I had known you for some time. You were a member at Zoo Culture, the original one in Woodland Hills, and we've obviously moved to the new location in Encino. But you remember there, we've had a few conversations, which is why I'm really excited to have you on the pod today.

how long had it been since we had those sort of like original interactions to your like blow up? I want to say it was 2021 or 2022 that I met you. Yeah. And super chill, always good conversations. Literally like 30, 40 minute conversations. Pump all the way down. Yeah. All the way down.

Okay, cool. We're just talking now. But it's been like three, three and a half years. Yeah. And it's crazy. Like I always tell my team, I told you this, but I always tell my. I'm like, yo, like, when we leak, it'll be lit because he literally knew me, like, before. And for some reason, I would always, like, share stuff about me to you.

Yeah. For some, like, I don't know why. I think I just like to talk. And you would, like, show respect. And it was cool. And I'm like, yo, like, Brad is like, he's legit. Yeah, I appreciate. And how many followers did you?

You still had like a million or something then? I had, like, maybe like 1.5 mil or something like that. Yeah. So we were pushing fitness content every single day. Yeah, every day. And I remember when I met you, the first thing, you said you're like, yeah, I I've seen your stuff. Like, you're that guy who does outside workouts.

Yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah, that's me. Yeah. And I don't know what I was trying to arrange or something like that, but you always show love. And literally, like, because your gym was for me, like, I needed that gym to just, like, pop off of my content. The lighting for me was on point. Like, I didn't want to go to any other gyms. They had, like, golds, what other gyms were popping out here?

John Reed, like, there was no vibes other than Zoo. Yeah. Then you opened the second one. That's your second location, right? Yeah. Second location goes crazy too because of the lighting, but that OG gym was like, it was everything for me. Yeah, it was different.

And it was right by the house too. It was different, man. And you were doing, yeah, you were doing mostly, like strictly fitness, like workout related content. Yeah. Only workouts. I wouldn't talk at all. Yeah.

What made you change to like the lifestyle stuff? So for me, you know, just like quick, quick background on my story. I was at LA Fitness and I would sell training memberships. So when a pandemic kit, the gyms were closed and I started selling my own training and I said okay cool I can make a good living out of this so I started pushing workouts training people in person trading people online online but I used to do and I used to sell in person training yeah for LA fitness right and then they will come in and I'll put I'll pair you with one of my trainers as the manager yeah so I started doing that for

myself and we're just pushing a lot of workouts and I just loved it like when I would meet people they'd be like yo bro like I lost 20 pounds I lost 30 pounds off your workouts and stuff and stuff like that. And I, bro, I got to the point where it was like, I'm like three years in maybe. And I say, bro, like, I posted every single movement you can think of. Like, I'm done. Like, what else is there? Yeah. So at this point, I was doing really well for myself for coaching. We scaled the business. And I changed a lot of lives too. So I had trainers just asking me for advice all the time. And I would find myself having like hour long conversations about like how I did it. for free. So I'm like, oh, you're doing this, just how you did with fitness. You would teach people how to get a six-pack for an hour for free because you loved it. So you love this. You might as well monetize this. So I started helping coaches scale their business as well. Yeah. So when I started helping the coaches scale their business, I wanted to pretty much show them how my life would operate. You get what I'm saying? So we just started pushing the lifestyle content. And I would have like my team helped me in the videos, not to troll or anything like that. But like, that's how I've gotten to where I'm at. Because I do a lot of.

I work with a lot of delegation. So it's like, you know, team effort, just scaling. And then also like the lifestyle, it can bring you if you lock in. Yeah. Yeah. When did you really start to see success with the, the, I don't know what we call a get ready with me type content, but like, you obviously had the one viral video. You had viral videos prior, but like you had the one that really blew up.

Yeah. Right. When did you start going like, okay, like, how did you start to see that lane? Like besides the fact that you obviously were a trainer, I understand. that the progression of that you were a trainer you did well so then you started teaching trainers how to like be a trainer and sell and do well yeah but then there was just this massive like spike it seemed for me like i remember looking on the like instagram i was like wait this guy just had one million followers now he has five yeah it was sliding bro it was we had a week four days where we hit a million

in four days a million followers yeah like i didn't understand it yeah me either bro what do you think the code is what do you think the code is for instagram the code is for instagram the code is being consistent posting every single day if you're looking to grow yeah so just like i tell people all this time all this i tell this to people all the time find that person who's killing it like destroying it crushing it not the person who's already famous find a person who's growing super fast and figure out why they're growing fast just study their stuff and then you can go off of that so for me like that's what i was doing for all for my whole career but when i started doing to get ready with me they just started going like super viral for some reason like I would have this post just getting

millions of likes versus like my other post getting like maybe like 50k 40k likes yeah so I said okay cool I'm going to double down on this just to hit 10 million followers real quick so I can show the people in my mentorship program you know that we know how to grow and then I was going to stop because I didn't care about the views I just wanted to scale and I wanted to help people grow their business like I fell in love with that part yeah um but right before we hit 10 million it went super viral the morning routine yeah that one went like crazy viral and that literally changed everything like my entire life change so I stopped doing the mentorship and I literally said like I knew god like he had different plans for me rather than just business advice because I love info

yeah I would study Alex Hermose he was like my guy I would listen to him during my workouts like I was so locked in, bro. And that's where my morning routine came from. Yeah. Just like wanting to have more time to study something because my entire life I never studied, bro. I was failing out of high school, failing out of college. Like, just that screw up kid.

Could never play during the football season because I had F for some reason. You were shitty in school? I was bad, bro. It just doesn't line up. It doesn't make sense. Because like at 14, like at like 11 and 12, bro, I was hitting like at least like 800 pushups today. Like locked in.

like when it came to fitness for some reason. But school like, I don't know. I feel like I just had like really bad ADHD. Yeah. And I was respectful, but I was like class clown, super goofy, always laughing and talking with people. And, um, yeah, right? My mom will be like, where's the report car?

I'm like, mom, we didn't get it. We didn't get the report card yet. We got the report card weeks ago. We didn't get it, mom. I'm throwing away report cards and everything. And, um, yeah, bro, wouldn't lock in. And then years into business, I had one person just helping me with stuff because like the tedious stuff that I couldn't do, the editing, the filming, stuff like that. But I had the physique.

Yeah. So when she left, we parted ways, I knew I had to lock in. And I know you heard it before. I got addicted to Adderall. I started taking Adderall because I was like, yo, ma, I have an issue. Like, I don't know how to sit down in a room and just do stuff. Focus, yeah. So I locked in.

Something that wasn't working out. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So, but I later. learn like I just I think in life people just need to focus and get really good at something that they like rather than like we come up and we learn like we just have to do stuff we have to do science history all this other stuff we don't like after you you know past high school you need to

figure out what you love to do and get good at that and screw everything else yeah yeah I wish they would redo all of school I mean schools it seems it just kind of put you in a box but people are waking up though yeah I think it'll change it'll be completely different in like five years I agree. Because there's too much information on the internet. Like before they could silence us, before they could, you know, keep things under the rug and people really wouldn't be woke. But now it's like the internet, even AI, bro. Yeah, AI's nuts.

I mean, but also it's a, there's a double-edged sword because a lot of people rely on it for everything. Like, they just rely on AI for anything. I think it's bad. Yeah. It's how you use it like anything, right? Yeah. It's like the AI thing, some people rely on it to just have even conversations. Like people are using it to try to like, how do I, how do I say to this girl?

What do I, what do I say to this? Like, I'll have employees I have who like reference AI or go to chat, GBT, ask them questions. I'll be like, yo, can you write me up this email? And they'll be like, yeah, does this look good? And I can tell it's like a chat gvety email. Yeah. And it's not bad. But it's, but now they're becoming unreliant on themselves and their own like knowhow.

Yeah. So they're deferring all their sort of intelligence to a connection. computer essentially. Like, you don't even have to read a book anymore. Yeah. You ask AI just to break it down for you. So then like that's, I mean, this is a whole conversation I can get into for hours, but it's like that we're just becoming less human.

Yeah. Which is a little scary. It's scary. But I feel like you have to take advantage of it unless you're going to just be stuck in the matrix. You got to know how to use it. You have to. That's the thing.

It's like, can you, can people use it? Because everyone likes the easy way, right? So whether it's working out, whatever, they look for like, what's the, what's the quick way? but if you don't use it with the intent of having it like add yeah then if you use it just you defer everything to it then you're you're losing your ability to and you're getting dumber exactly 100% yeah i think the wise ones know like still like make sure that you're getting smart and applying a i it's not just like one of the other of course i i mean you're right the wise ones

but the majority of people aren't wise yeah so the majority of people are just going to defer everything to it to avoid that's the scary part yeah So it's just like learning learning to like when to use it and when to like, okay, I got to actually be creative. If I have to actually try to like figure this out without just deferring just like some. Because like at some point, what if it's all orchestrated for you to go in a certain direction? That's the crazy part. It's a scary part. When I asked AI, I'm like, dang, like what if they're just telling me what they want me?

But I believe the scary part is and this is new for me. Like maybe like we're like three days in. Bro, go to AI. I'm telling my whole team, bro. I'm not asking you all questions. why would I ask you all a question I can ask somebody who knows all the answers but then it's like and I believe it too

if I ask them and they say it I'm like okay let's run it but it's kind of scary though because you never know like what the intention really is you don't know who's behind it and I feel like in 10 years we probably figure out some stuff like

we wish we knew 10 years ago today yeah yeah the real question is who really has all the answers right? God. Yeah yeah I knew that I knew you're going to answer that So the thing about you and I, we had conversations years ago when we first met. And I learned a lot about you that I was like, damn, this guy's actually like very sincere, very real, very like God focus and God driven.

And you believe what you have is because of God. 100%. So it was so crazy to see your fucking meteoric rise. Because you were obviously doing it. You obviously had cloud. and to see and to know who you were then to know who you are now and to see where you've gone is fucking like that's got to be god yeah because we've had conversations way before the blow up the massive blow up and that's who you were to me I was like damn this is like a real sincere

person who actually really cares about what he's doing like he clearly has a work ethic he's in here every day he trains every day he films content he wants to he wants to get it done when did you start your relationship with God. At five, yeah. I mean, since I was a baby, but like me knowing, I'll be in church and I'll just, before we walk in, I just said this other day, before we walk in the church, like, we'll be having like some family issues, right? And my life was amazing.

It was good. But like, stuff will hit the fan for whatever reason, right? And then we get into church and my mom was just like praising the Lord, like, like nothing happened, like we being crying and it's just like, I just saw like, to me, what I know was the greatest woman in the world, like, just like, I saw the love she had for him and I could feel his presence through my mom. So it's like, from a young age, I was praising him in church, crying at like six and seven in church. Like, I already had that encounter. So, you know, I feel super blessed to have that story because most people don't. But for me, I always like to hear a story,

like, of someone who found God at like 30, 40. And they were like strung out on drugs. To me, that's powerful. But yeah, my story is a bit different. And it's kind of like, before we blew up. I'm, you know, thankful that I already had him. So it's like, all of the stuff I have today was built on a firm foundation. You know what I'm saying? Rather than like, I think some people grow the wrong way and then they have to kind of restart. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. For me, it's like, I know everything I have is from him. You never had, you never had doubt? Doubt? Doubt. Doubt of making it? No, no, not of making it of, of, of the existence of God. Yeah, 100%. I've struggled with it a lot.

100% and when I do I just pray and I say your Lord help my unbelief and I know where that doubt is coming from It's coming from the enemy you know he's he's he's here to to kill you 100% so it's like if I ever have any doubt if my faith is low I literally just pray I get on my knees I weep I say Lord help my unbelief you know what I'm saying And I was having this conversation with this lady and the son the other day For me it's like I'm scared of the person who doesn't believe in anything you know what I'm saying like I don't don't judge anyone all religions i got respect whatever but it's like the person who doesn't believe in anything it's like how can you live the next day after your mom died or your pops like you don't even know like you don't know if there's all eternity or anything like i would be done i would be finished

like when my mom dies i would say like lord take me to that same day well i guess if i wasn't it you know if i wasn't a believer there would be no lord but it's like i don't understand how anyone doesn't want to have hope yeah does that make sense absolutely yeah so What is your, what is your relationship like? Oh, man. Well, I grew up Catholic, so I went to like, I went to a Catholic private school when I was a kid. Then I went to a public school. Then I went to a Catholic, All Boys High School.

Oh, so you grew up? Yeah, I grew up in it. You know, the whole, like, sit down in the pews and pray and read the, read the, the missile, whatever the shit was called. Yeah. And I had a, I had like a weird relationship with it because at a very young age, I remember noticing like the whole money thing like they wanted money and

every Sunday like big pass a thing now who brought you to into church life my mom would have been my family your mom yeah so she had a close relationship yeah she was a believer for sure she is a believer okay um I just always struggle with like this seems for me I don't know why it just seemed

forced it seemed like it didn't make sense yeah it seemed like it like it wasn't real not that it not that God is not real then right now I fully believe in God. I still have a hard time with religion. Yeah. Like the organized, you know, sort of show up and you have to do these things. And if you don't do these things and God will do this or do that.

I always struggled with the religion side of it. Yeah. The organized part. Why do you think that is? Well, as I got older, I started to recognize that most of the problems and most of like the most heinous things in the world are driven from religion. and the idea that either mine is better than yours or mine's the right one and yours is the wrong one. So I was just like just a bunch of people interpreting these words that we believe

and or some people know to be the words of God. But there's all this terrible shit. And I obviously know the separation between God and human, right? That's what makes us human. But I struggled to being like, there's just a bunch of humans saying that God said this. So then I'm going to go do that. And it's good because I'm making it good.

Yeah. Not necessarily because God, like, because you read and you hear about God and it's like this, this idea of good, all good, right? Obviously, there has to be the inverse. And I think that that's where the other side comes from. But there's a lot of, within humans, this need for either taking or, you know, taking land or garnering more. And there's that constant struggle in all of history.

Yeah. It's a lot of, oftentimes, like I said, in the name of their religion. Yeah. You know? I think the biggest thing. is the relationship. I think people should just focus on literally their one-on-one relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like they shouldn't be idolizing the person on the stage, the pastor. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, Drewski makes the skit and everybody goes crazy.

And they're saying that he's mocking God. Well, really, he's not mocking God. He's just talking real talk about pastors. Yeah. But your faith is in God, not in the pastor. So it's like, obviously we're supposed to be in the church. you know, it's biblical, you know, but I think people just put too much of the church's problems into their own faith. So it's like if you have like, they might be beefing with somebody in the church or hey, this person's too-faced. We're all too-faced. Nobody's perfect.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like at the end of the day, I think it always comes down to the relationship you have with the Lord. That's it. Yeah. How do you personally garner that relationship? because you've been able to do it and maintain it for so long.

And I think it's added so much to your success. I'm just curious. So for me, I just start my mornings with God. You know, I'll go straight to my prayer closet and I'll pray. Even when I don't feel like, yeah, I don't feel like waking up. I just make sure I just do it. Just like the gym, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

If there's seven days in a week and you hit the gym six days, you might feel like going twice. But you're going to go four times. That's why you look how you look. So it's the same thing with, you know, my faith. You know, some morning. I really don't want to pray. I'm like running late and I have to do other stuff, but like I make sure I hit my knees and I make sure I give it up to him. And, you know, I think, you know, if you practice

that, you know, you have no choice but to continue to grow. You have no choice. Like I don't want to go to the gym sometimes, but if I go anyways, I'm still going to grow. You get what I'm saying? So it's just always been a priority of mine. And I make sure I just stay away from things that have no business around. So it's like, I think a lot of us just make life hard on ourselves. So it's like with the morning routine, you know, I was never really telling people that they needed to wake up at 3, 50 or 4 or 5 or or anything like that. But for me, during that time, I knew I was weak.

So I needed to shut down early. I didn't want to flirt with temptation. So I don't need to be up at 10 p.m. or 12 a.m. Doom scrolling because that's where your mind just grows weak. So I think it's like me just evaluating where I'm at, and just knowing, okay, Ash, you don't need to do this. Stay away from that. Like, flee from sin.

Like, there's some gyms I don't go to in Miami today. Like, I'll stay out of the gym because I already know, like, the type of people. And I know where I'm at personally, I don't need to just see certain things. So I'll go to the gym where they have, like, you know, the nice housewives and stuff like that. Yeah, like, everybody's going to go good. Instead of, like, the popping gym. Not forever, but just like right now for this season, you need to lay low, bro. don't go to that gym you know what I'm saying don't step into that late night dinner you know what I'm saying

don't take this person out so it's like I'm just always looking for different routes even in business as well it's just how I operate for fitness I know I can't have a rice crispy treat in the fridge or in the pantry because I'm going to fall short yeah so if I have no option in my house to fall short I'm good and that's how I stay in alignment with who I know I want to be yeah yeah that's beautiful yeah so I just try to keep all like the bad stuff out. When is that, when is it become, when is that the hardest for you? Like in what situations is that hard for you? As far as faith?

Yeah. Late at night. Yeah. Late at night, I mean, you just make bad decisions. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You always tell people, if you want to quit your job, quit in the morning. If you want to fight with your girl, fight with her in the morning.

Because by the time the morning comes, you're over it, bro. You're thinking, your critical thinking is still, it's up there. But at night, you're fed up. You've been through a lot of different things. So you just make bad decisions. So for me, it's like I just cut it off. Especially if I know, dang, tonight I'm probably going to crash. I'm going to have some donuts.

You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go kick it. I just know, like, I'm going to be a good steward. If I literally take a shower, I take my little sleep drink, and I knock out. And I wake up super hype. And when I don't do that, I wake up the next day. Like, why did I do that last night? That shit would literally just went to bed and I would have been straight.

So it's like, you know, you just learn from the mistakes. What are some of your habits that people don't know about? Because people obviously see all they get ready. And how accurate is that stuff? Do you make some of it up or is it some of it not? So while we're doing the ASMRs, we're heavy on the ASMRs. Now I post like once a week. We're slowing down just to speed back up, right?

But when I was posting the SMRs, a lot of it, I would say 20% of it was like, Well, all of it was strategy. Yeah. Right. But like 20% was like, okay, cool, we're going to throw this in. Like it's either funny or. It's like I'm reaching, you know? Yeah.

So like the first time I didn't have socks on, like that was like a real thing because I don't wear socks with loafers. Like I feel like you're supposed to know that, right? But everybody's eating that up in the comments. So then I put on my running shoes with no socks. When I wear socks. You have to. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I just understand how the internet works and I just feed them what they want to be

fed and they're just going to make it just go crazy. So at the end of the day, I can get my message out still. Like, when you watch that video, you're probably going to notice a couple of things that you had comments about, but the goal is for you to watch that video and be inspired or motivated or feel like you got to get off the couch or whatever. You get what I'm saying? So it's like a pastor in church. He starts off with this crazy joke.

He's like making you laugh. And you forget you're in church. You're like, yo, why is he doing the most right now? He's making me laugh. And then he ties it into the scripture. he caught your attention and then he woke you up. So that's what we do with our reels essentially. So I'll throw a couple things in there.

It's like, okay, cool. Like they're going to comment about this. He dropped the water. Okay, it's dumb stuff. Like that's just what, unfortunately, that's what the world is today. You have to, you know, catch their attention spans. Yes. Because it's very, very short now.

Yeah. And then from there, you reel them in. And then you just, you know, you push the message that you want to push. And even if only 30% of the people, 40% of the people understand what We're trying to push. It's still a W. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the messaging, what, what do you care about the most now as far as your messaging goes?

Pushing the Lord, growing the kingdom. Yeah. 100%. Do you incorporate that stuff into your content at this point? Yeah. YouTube. Yeah. Yeah.

So YouTube. You just started that. I mean, you had a YouTube. It seems like you started it more recently, like you're more serious about doing that now. Yeah, yeah, 100%. So for me, what I realize is I meet a lot of people in person. And I think I told you this other day, but I meet a lot of people in person. And they say, uh, ask.

like you're actually a pretty cool guy. And then, you know, when I hear that, I'm like, he doesn't understand that that's not a compliment. Like you're saying, like, you actually thought I was a bad person. You get what I'm saying? And nothing against him. It's just like when you see my content, it is shorts. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, I'm just showing the values that I have.

I'm showing the physique. So it might make you feel a little small. So automatically you might think that, you know, I'm a, you know, I'm not. a nice guy. So I realize for us to really push the message is to go long format. And what is the message? The message for me is just like, I believe we're all here to jump over hurdles, you know, to get through hard times so we can help people who have gone through similar things, get through the same things. That's a fact. So it's like, for me, it's like, I tell people all the time, like, you weren't depressed, you weren't like struggling with, you know,

suicidal thoughts for no reason like you made it through that for a reason and now it's your duty to help whoever out was going through the same thing yeah i mean i think that's the only i think that's the point of life 100% this is a giant circle yeah and it also like while you're helping other people you're helping yourself at the same time so when i'm coaching somebody and i'm teaching them how to scale their business when i did that years ago um i became a better businessman because i'm preaching all the time and I'm just like sharpening my mind. Yes. So I feel like if you just got out of that bad relationship and you're starting to get better,

you don't have to be teaching the world or telling the entire world your business. Not everybody's supposed to be an influencer, but maybe like one or two people in your circle. You know what I'm saying? Like there's somebody who you're supposed to be helping get through the same problem. Yeah. So that's my message. Why do you think it's so hard for people to recognize when they're in the negative spots, like the darker side, wherever they're at where they, you know, whether they feel depressed,

so they feel like they're not worth enough or they're, you know, they don't have the value that they want. Why do you think it's hard for people to understand in those moments that, you know, eventually it can be better? Because life is hard, bro. Because when you're going through it, you're like, screwedish, man. Like, I've been through times where I'm like, I wasn't suicidal, but I'm like, yeah, if I wrecked this car right now, we're chilling.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would never say I was like deep down in the proud of this. It's a heavy, heavy word, but I've been to the point. where it's like, you know, it can happen. Like I'm chilling. Yeah. So it's like when you're that deep, you're not thinking positive.

You're only feeding yourself negative words. So it's like, yeah, I feel for that person. But when they do get out of it, you know, and for me, I would just tell that person to focus on self-development. You know, everything might suck right now, but pick up a book. Just force yourself to read even five pages the day. You know what I'm saying? Force yourself to get to the gym for even 30 minutes today.

You might not be a guru, but just get in there. And then when you're being kind to yourself and you're working on yourself, something's going to twitch. Something's going to switch. And when it does and you start feeling good, you're called to help other people get through the same thing. Yeah. And that's what's going to make this world a better place.

Yeah. And also you start to find yourself more around those other like-minded people that are also sort of trying to become better and do better. And then you get a little bit of inspiration or you get a little bit of push. And it makes you like see it differently. You're absolutely right. And it's the hardest thing I think for people to recognize why when they're when they're in it, that like it's not going to be better is a lot of times exactly what you said, you keep reinforcing

the same thoughts over and over. And then because you're doing that, you find yourself in circles or around people that are likely doing the same thing because it's comfortable. Yeah. Because you feel, you know, like saying, misery deserves or enjoys company, right? Yeah. You find yourself around other people who are, yeah, everything sucks, everything's hard, this is difficult. And then it becomes comfortable to be. in that space of like, you know, lackluster and, and it's their circle. Yeah, it's a circle. It's a hundred percent their circle.

But it is their circle, but it also is you allow yourself to be in there because that's where you are. Yeah. And I think if people recognize like, you know, I really want, I think sometimes, I guess what I'm going to say is that you have to almost isolate yourself at some point, not entirely and not away from everyone, but if you keep finding yourself going in that circle back and forth, not necessarily the circle of people. But in your mind, you have to sort of step away and go, okay, you have to look at it.

What's what's happening here? Yeah. It's very hard for people to step back from themselves in like their current situation, their day to day every day and go, all right, why am I feeling this way? Yeah. And you know, it's funny, we were talking about God earlier. I recently had just started like, okay, I'm going to read the Bible from front to back. Yeah.

Right. I'm like, probably like a quarter of the way through. Oh, that's what so? And it has helped me a lot. Yeah. I just, I don't know. I guess I kind of just look at everything a little bit differently. It's weird because when I'm reading it, I'm like, a lot of these messages are obviously things that, like, you know innately.

You believe to be true, but it's hard to action it. Yeah. And it is, I think what people are so afraid of maybe at the core is like, it's just hard work. Yeah. Like life is supposed to be hard. Life is supposed to be difficult. What do you think the hardest part is? In life?

No, just in general, like when you're reading the scripture, it's like, dang, like, this is a lot. Like, what's hard for you about it? Is it more so, like, kind of like straying away from the sin or? No, it's seen sort of like a, it's like a lot of the messages different throughout the different books in the Bible or scriptures, rather, that you notice there's a similar. sort of tone. Yeah. And there's a similar sort of like messaging. And seeing what I know to be true and I kind of not like I didn't write the Bible and I knew this already.

Yeah. But I know it when I read. I go, this is, I should have known this. Yeah. And I think it's a little, maybe it's a frustrating point. Not so much hard. It's like frustrating. Like I then relate to my past in my life and I'm like, I could have done this.

I would have done this differently. It would have been different. Obviously. 100%. But reading, I'm like, damn, like I knew this. Yeah. And I lost sight of it. I lost track of it.

Like, I got focused on something else that wasn't benefiting me, that wasn't making me better, that was only taking my energy, that was only taking my, like, my righteousness. Yeah. And I kind of just felt like, I don't know. Maybe it's like, I don't know if it's like a regret thing because I hate, I don't have regret. And I, and I refuse to have regret. But maybe it's a bit of a shame thing. Yeah.

That I didn't recognize certain things sooner in my life. For me personally, it came down to like women and, you know, the way that I treated women and the way that I had women show up in my life and like the way that I was like involved myself sexually with people and just being like sort of frivolous in that manner. And yeah, knowing the way that it affected me in my relationships at the time. But then more so me mentally. Yeah. Like I wasn't aware of the damage that I was doing to myself in my mind.

It was taking my energy for all. all this other good in my life that, you know, obviously I still have so much good in my life, but I look back and I'm like, I could have had a lot more. Yeah. And I know life's not just about having more, obviously. It's not, everything's not about more. But what are your experiences with, at least at this point? For me, like, and that's fire to hear.

And I'm able to get through a lot of stuff, everything with him, right? I'm able to get through a lot of stuff, just knowing, like, okay, I'm going to capitalize on this wrong. Right. So if the dude is out there and he's sleeping with a whole bunch of women and he hates that he did that, right? Like he can capitalize on that by being a good steward and then like teaching his kids not to do that.

Or teaching, you know, if he's a teacher or a coach, he can teach those kids to not be doing that same thing. So it's like I feel like it's dope. Like it's good to go through a lot of bad, bro, because like now your mission is deeper. You know what I'm saying? The book is more exciting. Like nobody wants to read the book.

where it's like everything was good you hate that movie that nothing bad happened no one died like you know he didn't overcome anything we all love the movies like facing the giants where they just had to just get over like hard time so it's like i think it's beautiful to have a lot of bad because you can make that bad turn like super super good and help thousands millions of people yeah especially with your platform you should know like your call like your your walk is not going to be like everyone else's like you're chosen like yours is different like i've never like i've never known about you for years, bro, before you even knew I existed. It's crazy.

Like, legit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going in the zoo culture. Like, this Bradley Martin's gym, like 100%. So it's like, your walk can't be easy, bro. It's not supposed to be. So do you then believe that some things are predetermined? Um, that is a deep question.

I would say, I would say yes to a certain extent. But I all, I, I, always know like we always have a choice you know what I'm saying I think people things can go left or right but I don't know to be short to that one like I don't fully know about that one yeah yeah see that's why I say that's why when I read determines because yeah like destiny right so that's the idea of predetermined it's just like because I know that there was so much that took for me whether it was like bad business relationships bad friendships people who took advantage of me or even myself taking advantage of myself

and those, you know, the relationships, because I allowed it to be, I allowed it to happen. Knowing it and then looking back, I'm like, fuck, I wasted a lot of time. Yeah. And that's the hard part, right? Right? Because you recently turned 30, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So as you get older, you're kind of like, damn, I wish I figured this out sooner. And I guess maybe that's just a part of my journey now to teach younger men or to teach people in general. Like, we don't really have as much time as we think. We don't.

And it's a weird thing. you when you really recognize that because all through my 20s like you said i was you knew about me previously before i ever knew about you no disrespect obviously it was my whole life was just like you know validation yeah once i once i hit like 22 blew up on instagram blew up on social media and then like all my 20s was like validation out to ask attention from everything yeah and uh i think i let it get to me i think i let the oh i can i should have this because you know i'm this person that all these other people viewed me as this person. Then it just reinforced this sort of ego in me. Yeah. And looking back, it was neither a good nor a bad thing, but overall, I'm just

kind of like, I just wish I could have done some things differently. Yeah. And not that I'm like saying I would go back. But you're still young, though. Yeah. Yeah, but not as young as I was. Yeah, of course, but like, that's just life, you know. And I think it's easier to like, that's why I think kids are beautiful like because i think if you had kids you wouldn't think like that yeah i think you're absolutely right i think if you have the kid it's like bro thank god i went through this so i could teach this dude not to go through that you know what i'm saying but when it's only you it's like dang after i die it's done yeah so it's like how do you 36 you're young i know i need to have kids man it's time for kids though for you that's why yeah at this age like you're gonna be thinking like

dang i wish i knew so i was younger like like 36 is young i think it's just like age just comes with like what is happening. So for me, like, I could feel a little bit old because it's like I don't have a girlfriend. You know what I'm saying? Like I haven't dated for a while. Like, I don't have a wife. I ain't got the kids.

But if I got the kids, I'm like, I'm young. I'm chilling. Like, that's how I kind of see it. Yeah. How do you not date? I mean, you have so much popularity. You have like, you know. I date.

Yeah. Yeah, I date. I go on dates. But after I go on a day, I get discouraged. Because it's like I just wasted time. Two weeks, three weeks, a night. And it's like, because for me, bro, I'm not going to date like just to like, I got to know like, okay, cool. She might be the wife.

She might be the mother of my kids. Like I'm not trying to just get to know a girl just to get to know. Like for what? Yeah. I'll get to know people on my team. I'll get to know my mom more. Yeah. You get what I'm saying?

Like, I'm not going to just like, oh, this is a cool friendship. I'm not really looking for friends. Well, how do you know when the girl's a right girl? Man, I would like to say that you know, like I would like to know the first day I'm here. I would like to I don't possible for sure

really for sure 100% without words really I'm gonna believe it because I want that's what I want that's how I want to see her and be like

that's mine just off of looks not even off the look just like the energy just the energy you know what I'm saying maybe you've heard her talk

and you've seen her like I don't think like if I just see her walk in a room and then she goes to the bathroom them and there was no words and nobody else is in here, I'm going to know. But if I've seen how she's moving in a crowd or she moves online, like, I could know. Obviously, I have to know, like, I can hear her or something like that. Yeah. But like, I don't want to have to take her out four times to know. But everybody's story is different. Some people, you know, they were best

friends. And I think that's a beautiful thing too. I'm just 30. So it's like, I ain't trying to be friends for two years and then, you know, not saying I'm old, but it's like, I would like to, in a perfect world, I want to meet her and be like, okay, that's the one. But if she comes in any other way, it's like, I'm blessed, I'm chilling. How do you think you find the one? Because if, you know, as deep as you seem to be to me, you know, you live in Miami. I don't even spend time in L.A. How do you find the one in those places?

I think the biggest thing with living in Miami and having status is, like, in life, to become successful, it's about saying no. like oh can i go out can you go out tonight nah can you know can we go hit this club nah like you just have more time to just see like and just like think right so for me it's like being able to say no um it's like not being surrounded around in the places around people who you know like you wouldn't like have a mix with so it's like getting out like for me i'm you know church god i'm gonna go to church twice on sundays morning and evening so i'm gonna be around those crowds more. I'm going to say no to the places where I know it's just like a bunch of lust

and like people are just lit because it's not what I'm looking for. So it's like for me it's just like keeping like a straight path and just like knowing like okay where to go where not to go. Obviously I'm not an expert though because I've been single. And I think that's also a W too because I haven't been stuck in that two year, three year relationship that's not going anywhere. I'm available now. Yeah. Yeah. Some people are with the wrong person for like seven years. and they're just like pushing their time further and further back they might miss out completely. So it's like I'm not going to just date. I've done that by the way.

Yeah, yeah, how was that? How long? Seven years. Seven years? Seven years? For some reason. When I said seven, I was like, I feel like he's like he had a seven year relationship. That's crazy.

For real? How was that? It was one of those things that like it was out of my last relationship. You know, we both bled into this. She was out of a relationship. But we both bled into the new our relationship, the new one. So it ended how long ago? Oh, fuck, dude.

Five, maybe five years ago now? Five years ago. And then out of her relationship and your relationship, like prior to meeting each other, how long was it until you guys got together? So like you broke up with your old girl. No, see, that was the problem, right? That was the problem was that it was like we were both on the way out. And this is something I've learned, like, so, so straightforward now. do not date someone if you're leaving a relationship and you've not sort of made amends and that's gone

yeah and don't date someone that is also leaving a relationship unless they've made amends and that's gone yeah how do you make amends meaning like it's gone it's actually done it's not this like weird well we're friends and like we still talk or i still i still have feelings or i still want to make this work like you have to be done you have to be done with something completely done with something before you step into something else and that that was something that was something that struggle with because it was like I told you earlier it was like my life was so much about validation yeah uh because of the internet and because of myself you know just it's not just because of something else because of me yeah right because I struggled with like feeling like I was good enough my whole life

yeah right that's how I have even my success ironically yeah but when it came to relationships it was like okay if I didn't have her I needed something else I needed so I needed like always something to make myself feel like I was worth something yeah which was completely wrong what do you thing that stem from. Losing my father. We all feel that, by the way. Yeah. But it was, in this relationship, when it came to love, it was losing my father when I was young.

Okay. How old are you? I was six. Okay. I lost my father to suicide when I was six years old. And I always struggled with like, why, like, why did this person leave me? Like, am I not good enough? So then I would try to, like, fill that void my whole life.

And, you know, thankfully I found the gym because the gym was a version of that for me. Yeah. But then women became a version of that for me as well. where it was like, oh, I needed to have that in my life at all times. Yeah. So if I was losing this one, I'd always have another one ready or multiple ready. Yeah. And that was the most toxic thing I think I'd ever, one of the most toxic things I've ever done in my whole life.

If I look back on it, I'm like, man, that was one of the worst decisions I could have ever kept making. Really? Because it never gave me time to sit and go, okay, what did I learn? Like, what do I really need? What really makes me feel love? What really makes me feel good? I didn't do that. And so that seven year was like a lot of that up and down back and forth.

And then I was always be sort of one foot and one foot out because I was afraid of committee. And I was afraid of. Did you really want love at the time or did you like just like having a prize next to you? At the end I wanted love. So so I was I must, I probably met her when I was like 20, 25. Okay. Yeah. And then seven years like y'all were at it for seven years?

Yeah. Yeah, and then towards the end, I started to... You thought you would marry here? Towards the end. And that's the shitty part. The way I started, it's always sort of the way you finished. I was still doing things that weren't going to add to that. Yeah.

Wasn't going to make that a reality. Yeah. So towards the end, I think as I'm getting older, I'm starting to recognize, okay, these are the things I really value and need. But obviously, once you make enough mistakes, that ship is sailed with that person, right? Yeah. And then trying to hold on to that to like... Oh, you believe.

once you make a certain number of mistakes it's done? In a relationship? You can't... You can't do the damage? There's a certain amount of damage that I think that you can't come back from. It's salvaged. What do you call it when the cars can't come back? It's unsalvageable.

Unsavageable. What was it? Total. Totally, yeah. It's completely fucking totaled. It doesn't bother me if I didn't. No, you got it. I completely totaled that relationship.

Yeah. I like that. It's a new term we got. Because you get enough, you know, you get enough of the trust. Once the trust issue can become great enough, then it's like you cannot, you can't fix it. You can't make it better because now you're- I believe that.

So let me ask you this, because this is an interesting thing I like to ask people. So if you're married and she cheats once, like, are you like, is it totaled or is it like, you know, we lost the bumper in the couple of headlights we can fix this thing? That's, oh, dude, that's really difficult. And you have kids with her and everything.

Y'all are locked in. You love the kids. Yeah. And she finally stepped out like six, seven years into the relationship. Is it like, is it total? Like, yo, like, I want nothing to do with you or I love you like to the wheels fall out, bro. We got to fix this junk out.

I think a part of it's total forever. Total. A part of it. A part of it. But is the marriage done? Like, are you asking for a divorce without bluffing? Yeah, I don't, that's, fuck, it's such a hard question. Yeah.

There's no easy answer to that. Yeah. Because you, you, part of me wants to say, I want to say no because of the kids. I would want to say no because we have a family and like I know the value that I didn't have now I you know not having it and seeing it in the way it affected me to know that like I kind of grew up

kind of I grew up without my father I'd want to be like I want my kids at that point at this point in my life because of everything I know I want them to know what it's like to have a mom and a mom and a dad yeah and so it's very hard for me to say like yeah it's completely done

but that's just a personal thing at the same time trust, right? Once you break trust, and now you're talking about breaking trust within a marriage, not just like dating, that's a whole different ballgame. It's like this is, this was something that was supposed to be sacred between you and I and you've, you know, because of whatever emotion you had at the time, you felt it was okay to go do an XYZ? It's like. If a woman cheats on you, do you feel like that has to do anything with you? You feel like it's your fault in the way at all? Or it's completely on her? I think it has to do with you. Yeah. It's two ways. Everything is.

It's two ways. Yeah, both sides, by the way. And both sides, by the. the way. Both sides. Yeah. So I think, I think, I mean, that's undeniable. It's a, you know, yeah, because now it's the whole thing is like, okay, what's the reflection on you and how did this happen? But that game's tough to play because people as they age and as they grow, as the time goes on within a relationship, they learn more, they know more about themselves. So then it's, it's so hard. The whole dating thing in general, this is why it's so difficult. It's because you may know something at 25 that you completely see different at 30. Yeah. And you may have something at 30. And you may have something at 30. that you completely see different at 35 or 40.

We're evolving. So it's like the real thing about, I guess, marriage and love in general is like, are you willing to continue to work together no matter what? Yeah. And I would say that's what true love is. Yeah. That no matter where you're at. Because think about the same way you love your mom.

That's what love is. So it's like leaving her is like, that's not love. And to say like you wouldn't walk away publicly like in front of the camera is crazy. But like I feel like real love. is like you stay, you figure that junk out. And you have to like also figure out why it happened and like what you could have done better to. Now obviously if it's just happening over and over.

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. But it's like if somebody fell short one time, I think, you know, you kind of just got to take a step back, you know, even if it's like a chill separation and you just kind of just think like what could I have done better? Not even just for that person. Like maybe even for your next relationship. Like what did I, what did I do wrong?

You know what I'm saying? but I think true love, like, they stay together and they figure that junk out for sure. And they redefine their love because that's what it's going to have to be. Like, it won't be the same love anymore. You just kind of have to redefine it. And you essentially probably can come together and be even stronger than before. Have you ever been in love? High school, I said I love the girl for sure.

Yeah. But I didn't, I wasn't like, I wouldn't say I was in love. Yeah, nah. I haven't been in love with someone. I haven't talked to someone longer than like every single day longer than like two or three months. Holy shit. Yeah, for sure. Wow.

And even at 30. At 30. Wow. Like the longest I've been like, okay, we texting every day talking on the phone. Two months. Yeah. You just don't have no patience. I just know.

And I have like a big calling. Like for me, I feel like I have a big calling. Even if it wasn't to reach millions of people, we're all called to do great things. and I just take my life serious. So it's like, I don't have homeboys who I just talk to. I love them, bro. I will be at the gym talking. Like, I won't shut up.

And I genuinely love them. I hugged them tight. But when I go home, it's like back to work. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I think it's, I don't know, it's probably not the most healthy thing. But like, for me, it's like, this is that season, bro.

We just got to just go. Yeah. We got to turn up. How was training a diamond gym for you? It was cool. Yeah. It was cool. I was thinking I was like, okay, cool.

What's the next, like thing I could do is that's lit like that? And I literally was AI and they kept bringing up zoo culture. Legit. Oh, hell yeah. Zoo culture. Radley Martin, zoo culture. Yeah. So you going there?

Why don't you go there? No, I have a plan to go there. Yeah. Bro, you going there probably be the littest thing. I promise. Yeah. That's a great fit. That's crazy.

Because I'm literally on AI. Like, okay, cool. What's the next name? How old is Unk? He doesn't really go public. good his age. But I have a feeling that he's closer to 50 than he is like 40 flat.

But he's, bro, he's crazy, bro. I was going to say, since me and him are both unk, that maybe we both don't run. Because I feel like doesn't he not run? Talking about the hills. I was going to go there, but I'm like, listen, only one thing here. I'll do the burpees, whatever the fuck.

That room, that's going to be some or that's going to be crazy. You and there is going to be lit, bro. I'm telling you. And you're strong too. They're definitely waiting on that one. That would be like top five, top four, like even to think about. You, David Gagans, and then Aaron Donald, I would say it would go crazy too,

just kind of like bringing in like a different world. Yeah. The football player. How hard was it for you? Bro, I'm used to that, bro. Like, it was hard. It was tough. And I don't train like that anymore.

But that's how I came up for training. Yeah. Like crazy, smacking each. other loudest freak like yeah like just like yo we're in here to die like I would say all of that stuff you know what I'm saying now I haven't said that in a while for like since I've you know gotten a little bit more on like the business side and more chill calm peaceful um so like the last five six years it hasn't been crazy like that but uh when I work out I always have this thought in my head like bro you could be going stronger I mean you could be going way harder

yeah and then I'll go get a trainer and I love my trainer but I'll do his workout and it's easiest I'm like, dang, like, you're good like this because your expectation is super high of just of yourself talking to me. Yeah. So I say that to say it was, it was definitely not easy, but like, that's my world. I like it. I liked it a lot. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So on the internet, you get all the time. You must get this, the steroid allegation. Oh, yeah, 100%. So you're not taking steroids. Nah, I'm completely natural. And I don't know when we're going to air this one, but I just did a drug test.

Really? Oh, I'm going to do, I'll pull up, I'll do it whenever. But I feel like, bro, like, out of all physique's mind, it's not even like, they shouldn't even be thinking I'm on steroids. My drink's regular. Okay. It's chill. Yeah, okay.

The physique is chill. It's not like, it's not like, you know, one of the crazy guys. I want to say any names, but it's not any crazy thing, bro. That's debatable. The arms are crazy. If you take my arms away and give me someone else's arms, I don't get any allegation. 100% yeah because it's the it's the fullness it's the fullness it's the fullness of the arms and I don't train arms you just genetically have yeah I don't train arms at I train arms coming up but I hate training

arms like when did you start to really see your physique change bro young but I had six-pack at like five yeah I was doing what's your back pushups obviously you're black but like what what is black but um yeah black black black is it like but is it like you've did family from like Nigeria not Florida Florida you see you Florida, my dad's side is from Bahamas. From where? Bahamas. The Bahamas, okay.

But he's not swollen. My mom side, I get like 12 from them. And they're like short. You know what I'm saying? Do you know where her family's from? They're from the country, bro. They're from Florida, like Lottie, Florida. You never heard of it.

Okay. Like North Florida, like. But they don't know where the ancestry's from. No, we should. We should probably run that test. You should get an ancestry thing, yeah. We should because it's interesting. Yeah.

But yeah, bro, for me, like, People say steroids. I've seen guys crazy. Natural. Like my boys growing up bigger and look better than me for sure.

Natural. And we're in a weight room every single day, high school hitting it. You never done any peptides or anything like that? You ever done anything? The most I've done is creatine.

Creatine. That's honestly the best supplement of all time. Creatine, yeah, they don't know. It's like both backed by science, good for your brain and everything. Yeah.

But I did creatine only for like maybe three weeks. I would gain too much weight. Bro, I'm only eating like, My goal is to eat like 2,000 calories a day. That's the goal. 2000?

Yeah, I'm always trying to lose. You sustain that off 2000. I try to. So it's like if I did 2000 every single day, I would be incredibly shredded. But like, you know, sometimes I have like 3,000 and it's like, you know, I'm kind of lean. Yeah. But if I can do 2,000 every single day, like I do that sometimes and I could show you a picture and I look completely different, like diced up and then okay, okay looking, right?

Yeah. So the goal is like 2,000. So I never balked. Like if I was boking, I would be, I would let them talk. Like, I would be 240. They would really think I'm on steroids. Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm 205, bro. Cute. Like, just chill. Legit. I'm 205. I'm dining. Yeah, you, you, I guess you video and photograph really well, though. Yeah, yeah.

I get like the angles and stuff like that. You're good at that. For sure, yeah. I remember. I remember when it comes to the camera, like, I'm a scientist, bro. Yeah. I remember when I first met you, I was like, damn, these shots are so good.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, you were so good. So, like, hooked on zoo culture. I'm like, yo, I'm not going nowhere. Even the new one you built, like, when that one opened, unfortunately, I moved like six months later. But the lighting in there is like, I was like, oh, it's over. Yeah, but we're going to Miami soon, so you'll be.

I'm there. Yeah, you'll love it. For sure. I'm there only. We're going to have all, dude, the amenities, everything. You'll have everything that the zoo hasn't had here in L.A., like showers, sauna, steam room, like, in floor cold blood, in floor hot, it's going to have everything.

It's so crazy because literally the day before I ran into you, which was yesterday, I was talking to my attention. I was talking to my team about you and I'm like, why? Like, I feel like he is missing out. Like, why is he not in Miami? Yeah. Timing. Just timing.

But no, it's perfect timing now. Yeah. This is the perfect time now because five years ago wasn't anything what it is now. Yeah. So it's like you're starting now when it's the biggest ever and like the hype is there. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm super fucking excited.

Fitness in Miami is, it's different level, bro. Is there anything else that you're super like excited about and focused on that isn't fitness or content related? Do you have anything that people would have to know about? Yeah, well, fitness, I'm not even like, I don't really like the gym like that. Interesting. Yeah, I don't like working out. Like, I don't, bro.

I just do it. But like, when I'm in there, like, you ask them. Like, I'm in there sometimes 20 minutes. Like, yo, I'm out. Like, I hit like a couple curls. I'm like, bro, I got stuff I got to be out. Diff is like, are you sure? I'm like, bro, I'm going, bro.

I'm tired of this junk. So it's like I always give myself new challenges Like that's why I race speed I like to do like new things And I have to make it fun Like you know what I'm saying That's why I run That's why sometimes I'll do like the boxing

And stuff like that Like it has to be I can't be too too good at it I like to start new challenges Racing speed That was pretty funny Right speed the speed moment was crazy That was super viral

Did you really think you were gonna win? I really wanted to give the people a show That's it yeah I didn't really in my head, of course, like if you're doing anything, you have to do with confidence and you have to say you're going to win. So I never would say, oh, I might lose or if I lose. Like, I'm going there to win. And I wanted to, you know, create like a dope, crazy moment. And then just the kid's side came out of me, bro. Like, like, the Ashton Hall, like I used to gamble and stuff like that. Like,

I always play like for like $5 on Madden. And when we would play, I would lose, like I'm all hype, like, run it back. Let's do it. Like, nah, no, you won't beat me this time. And the whole game was when we're playing video games, I have to get in your, I'm a salesman, I sell everything. I have to get in your head to want to play me again so I can win my money back, right? Yeah. Like, I would know what to say to make you feel soft to the point where it's like, okay, I got to play them again so I can shut them up. And you might have.

Yeah. So I could, so I got a chance to win. Yeah. So it's like, they caught me slipping. They caught the old ad, the real old Ashton Hall at like 17, like, no, run it back, run it back, run it back. Yeah, you didn't win. So I would have to tell him like, yo, they say you lost.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I had to say that so I can get four, like for him racing me four times is crazy. Yeah. Like, who's doing that? I don't have to beat you four times, bro. Sit down. So it was like, I realized how it looked afterwards and like why people like definitely lost respect 100% because it looked like I was just crying. But I really just wanted to create like a dope show.

Like I felt like I let my people down. I wanted to be a close race. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like if I'm watching boxing, I'm going to be let down if both fighters don't look like they can fight at all. Like, what are y'all doing? You get what I'm saying? I'm okay with you losing, but I need you guys to be in there locked in. I need to be a good fight. He'll put on a show a bit. Put on a show, bro. Yeah, it's funny. And me falling on the first one? Yeah. That ain't no show.

Like, yo, run it back. Yeah, you had to. Yeah. And then you had to get closer and closer. Then I had to get on the concrete. Then you know what I'm saying? I got to make sure my shoes a little tighter. And the 20-year-old destroyed me every single time, bro. He's talented. Yeah. He's a freak athlete. Yeah. It's interesting. He took up streaming. But it's, it's It's funny. I think if you were like 20 pounds last you would have beat him. Yeah, I mean, bro, I got to give him his credit. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. When I was running, I'm like, oh, he's fast. He's fast for real. Like, this is not just a thing. Yeah. He's getting out. You know what I'm saying?

So, nah, respect to him. I kind of want to race him. Yeah, yeah. Just for the year. He'll do it. He doesn't care. Yeah, I know. This kid's running.

And I even told him, like, he was going to run in some, like, regular, like, little phone pods and something like, bro, what are you doing, bro? So that's all he do. did a barefoot because he didn't have running shoes. And I had like professional running shoes on. But he doesn't care, bro. He'll just line it up. Yeah, he's a savage.

Yeah, he's a savage. Race him in boots next time. Be hilarious. Right, in boots. That probably is my best chance. Some weighted boots. What is the most fun you've had making content with people, they make collabs and stuff outside of yourself?

Mr. Beast was a cool moment just because like you see like the level of content that he puts out. Oh, bro. I think like seeing Beast, like production crazy. I'm like, oh shoot. Bro, I just went to the Beast Games premiere thing and seeing the new season two thing. Yeah. I'm just like, this dude is like Hollywood, like beyond Hollywood level of production.

It's kind of scary. It's like different. Like he has videographers diving in water that's like 20 degrees. Yeah. Super deep. Getting shots come back up, tired. And they're like, yeah, we've been here for 17 hours. Going at it, grinding. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's different.

So I love to see that. And I also love to see speed where it's like he has one videographer with him. This is homie. Yeah. So it's like to be able to see like, I think it's dope to see like top creator, large production, top creator is homie. Yeah. You know, Slips do amazing things.

So it's like I think it was cool just to kind of like change my mind about like what creation, content creation is. Like it could be whatever you want it to be. Like it's not just one route. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I definitely like when I would see the podcast, I'm like, I'm going to be there one day. Like we got to do it one day for sure. I appreciate. So it's a full circle moment here. Logan Paul, like all the guys, the guys who are just killing it is motivating to see. Yeah.

Yeah. What's your goal as far as the end game for you? Like, where do you want to be? Like, what side of that spectrum from, like, production to, like, low production? Where do you see yourself falling? Like, what do you sort of want it to become? I want to just push more of who Ashton Hallett. Like, rather than just going in with strategy, like, my, the beginning of the career, like,

when we popped off, it was strategy. Like, you're going to watch. this entire video because I know how to make you watch it, right? Yeah. Everything was super strategic, right? Now I want to just push, like, who I am, what I believe in, and have fun with it. Just, like, just literally just be myself. Yeah.

You know, not be too hooked on, like, the edit, like, y'all put together a movie, my editors, and I don't even need to watch the video. I want to push just who I am, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that's cool. I think that's a better way to build a community and truly help people out rather than just, like get a lot of attention. Yeah. I feel like that's all I've done outside of like the viral lifting videos that I did.

When I knew, okay, this is going to go viral because it looks crazy or I'm lifting girls and it looks crazy. Yeah. The rest of my content, whether it be podcasts or YouTube stuff that I've done for years, was always just me just talking shit and be myself. But that's why you have a strong community. I think that's why I've been around for a long time too. Exactly.

Yeah. Your stuff won't die out because people know those real raw moments and they can like, I tell people all the time is two billion people on instagram there's billions of people on social media in general like you don't have to be anyone but yourself because there's at least a couple million people like probably like 50 million people in this world who will just love you for who you are because they can relate to you in some capacity right so it's like that's number one number two when you're trying to be something else or just trying to be super PR and just like someone else like this whole time like it's easy to see that yeah you know it's real and you know it's not and like

even like some videos I'll see myself. I'm like, bro, this is not you, bro. Just be you. Like, who gives a freak?

So it's like, that's what we've been implementing now. Like, not like, nothing PR, like who cares? Like, just go in and just rip it,

have fun. Diamond Gemo's chill. Like, we didn't play in nothing. Like, we just went at it and I had fun. Yeah. I forgot the cameras were on.

And that's why I, that's essentially what I want. Like, that's the goal. More of that. Yeah, more of that, bro,

just like, chill stuff. Obviously you got business goals and stuff like that. But like when it comes to what I put out to the world, I want it to just be real. So on that note, how do you,

how would you tell someone watching, um, who is afraid to be themselves to just be themselves? Because it's so, I think a lot of people get on the internet and they, they look at, you know, whether it's you or me or someone that is already up there in their eyes,

whoever that person is, um, they get afraid to take the steps to actually like put themselves out there. Yeah. Because they compare so much. Just look at it like this. Like the guys who are blowing up, half of them do,

they're at their peak before they actually like are lit. You know what I'm saying? Like hubs, you know they do Hubs life? Hubs like. So he's a guy he just would film himself going to work all the time and it was like it was going viral. And then when he finally got a chance to like step away from work,

they stop watching it. So it's like people like things that are related. People love. Just like real. They don't want to watch anything perfect. It's going to make them feel bad. Like literally just be who you are and that that's going to sell well. And then obviously you put a storyline behind it.

Like it's okay to grow and get better and buy stuff. But it's like just be you so they can know that you're real. They could trust you. Because if you're being anyone else, I can 100% guarantee you, people are going to see that drunk through the camera. And they're going to immediately just click off. Yeah. Yeah.

It's so, it is so real. That's the same thing. I'll tell people who ask me about success. or finding success now in social media, is that like, even in the beginning, it was like everyone would go, oh, it's so hard, it's so difficult. And nowadays, the common sort of complaint is everyone does it.

It's so saturated and it is. But still the same thing remains is like, but the people who have success and who continue to garner success are the ones who are just themselves. Yeah. But it's hard also when you look at the landscape and there's so many examples of what's working, it's easy to go, well, this works for him. Maybe I should do that.

Maybe I should follow that footstep. Maybe I should walk in that path instead of like this thing that's true to me because I don't know if it's going to work or not. Like that fear. So I think the biggest thing is, and you said it, you can have like the strategy where you're doing the trend that you know is going to go viral, but don't only do the trend that you know is going to go viral.

Like do that trend. It's going to go up. It's going to blow up. But on your stories and everything else that you post, like make sure you're still doing like cool stuff that's like authentic. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So while like you have that thing going,

people can kind of grasp like who you are. and why, like, they're following you essentially. But I don't really think it's like, I think the hardest thing to this thing is to social media is just not caring what everyone thinks. Like, literally just not, like, just say whatever your beliefs are. Like, you can't be afraid to get canceled. Yeah. Like, you can't even really get canceled like that. No, you can't.

You mean you can just cancel yourself and you just stop. Yeah. You probably, yeah, exactly. When you stop and you let all the comments and stuff get to yourself. Yeah. But like when you're sharing your beliefs, like you're going to get like hate, love, whatever. But like you can't get canceled. So it's like, bro, just be yourself.

Who cares? We're all here to have our own different opinions, beliefs, or whatever. Like, who cares? Yeah. Do you think there's a line though? Because now it's gotten to this point where because there's so much and there's so many people doing everything that a lot of people tend to go towards. Controversial. very controversial either speaking points not even necessarily political or not but just even like saying

crazy shit saying things to get just to get a reaction do you think it's like going to go sort of in that direction a bit because i mean people love drama bro but it's like i also think it's so easy to feel and see the people who are doing it for cloud i'll watch a video and i'll say okay this person said it and i just know he's a little crazy and that's cool right like he's just controversial on that's just what he really believes. And then his homeboy is over here trying to say the same thing, trying to be someone who he's not knowing that it's going to blow up. I feel like people know when it's like they actually feel that way.

And that's when it's like it really just like gets a lot of tick. Yeah. So like Charlie Kirk, like his stuff got kicked. You could tell like that's what he actually felt. Yes. So that's why like it reached so many people, whether you like them or you hate them. Like, you know he's got the facts. He's being real what he believes.

And like that, like, you know what I'm saying? I think that is okay to share your beliefs. Now, when you're someone else and you're just trying to do it just to get clicks, like that's when it's like, all right, bro. But I feel like it's not going to go that far. But, yes, just essentially to say, like, that sells way more. Drama sells way more. My speed moment when I, like, crashed out, like, that got crazy views because they like to see drama.

Yeah. Yeah, they want to be out. I mean, that's like where it gets super fucking frustrating, I think, because then it, then everyone just goes, that's what I need to do. So then they look for that. They try to find that moment.

They try to create those moments when it's not even genuine. It's a scary game to play, though, too. Because you still got to see people in person. So it's like your bill just gets higher. Like, your bill gets higher. You need security at all times. We can't even go out. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that's, I don't think it's a, like the smartest way to blow up. Like, I think I would rather just not have that over my head, but. Yeah, I've never hired security, not once. For real? Not one. Never in my life. I mean, because you're six four, bro.

I guess, but I just think, you never hired security? Not once, dude. Everyone's always shown me love. I've never gone anywhere where someone was mean to me. Really? Never. That's good. I think because I've just always, I've always sort of done it that way.

Like, I've never done anything. no malicious intent, no like trying to create a problem. I'm very opinionated on certain things politically or whatnot, but like I've never done anything out of just like, I'm trying to be mean or I'm trying to get a reaction. I'd like, like you said, the Charlie Kirk thing, which maybe is a poor example considering what happened to him. But yeah, I've just always been sort of genuine in my beliefs, I believe. And the things that I've said, man, I make jokes here and there, but.

Yeah, dang, never never. No, I don't know. Bro, that's surprising. Nah, no. But you shouldn't say that online, though. I don't care. Because if they go to Bradley, you go have no security.

I mean, you know, I got guns, so. Yeah, you're good. You know that too. I think they know,

like, you know who you're not supposed to play with. Yeah, I mean, that's, I don't have those for no reason, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, I think for me, things happen so fast, so I don't really notice life. Like, I never had needed security, like a year ago. So it's like,

I didn't care, though. Like, bro, I'll be in different countries. Like, bro, I was in London Mall and I was like, bro, I don't need no security. I'm chilling, bro.

Like, I don't do anything bad. These are kids. They're showing love, chill. And then I'm in Apple and they kick me out because it's like, like, maybe 100 people outside of Apple just like waiting for me to come out. And Mo Dean's out there. Do you know who that is? Yeah, yeah, UK guy.

Kind of like a streamer kind of crazy. Yeah. And if I would have been looking at the chat because I was streaming, I would have known it was a prank, but this dude comes to me speaking a different language. And I, like, in my head, like, he's got like four or five. people with them and I'm just like oh shoot it's about to go down like this is that moment and all I have is my videographer and he's like 160 pounds so I'm like okay they want me I got to get out of here so I just slid so after that moment people are like my team's like ash like that could have been

bad like you can't like walk around without a security but that was just a prank yeah but I always feel pretty safe for the most part like I feel like I don't need it but I also don't want to like find out yeah I get it messing around to find out where have you found that you have found that you have the most reaction to people? Like, where are people most like, they come up to you? Besides the gym, obviously in the gym, they definitely know you. The gym is like the home for sure. What country? Out of the country? Yeah. Bro, all like, we're going to Brazil. I know that's going to be crazy. But out of the country, like, especially like me being on Snapchat if I'm streaming, like everyone. All like everywhere. The only place like I went and it wasn't like even Mongolia, like it was

live. Because I think when you go to a country, like everyone. I go to Mongolia. Fuck. I've never been there. Margoia is crazy. Yeah. What do you do? Dude, I want to go there. They eat so much,

they eat so much fat, bro. Like, I want to go there and ride horses and shoot bows. They're huge. Yeah, I was riding the horses. I tried a couple of bows.

It was cool. It was a cool experience. You did it on stream? Yeah, I streamed a little bit probably. I don't know if I was streaming at that time. How do you like streaming? The hardest thing ever.

It's so hard. It's the hardest thing in all content. Forever. It's hard. I like the challenge of it being hard, but it's not like DDG said that YouTube was easier the other day. I don't know why he said that, but bro, I feel like streaming. YouTube is easier.

You think? No, no, no, no, no. He said streaming is easier. Okay, well, I think maybe from the idea of top down content-wise, it's easier. I mean, you get the content, then it can become a YouTube video, become a short, become whatever. Like, you have that whole derivative. But performing is harder.

100 times harder. It's not as hard for me, I think, because I, all the YouTube videos ever film, like I told you, I was just kind of me. so when you're streaming, you're just you and you don't really have to put on a front. Like, yeah, you got to be more entertaining. But, like, that's kind of how I did all my YouTube videos anyways. Like, I would just sit and talk about what I was doing, bullshit, whatever, go on my day.

Because you already blog, so you're chilling. Yeah. But the thing with streaming is, like, the setup, the set down, like, everything before and after. You have to make sure this is connected. It works, the service. There's, like, 10 more steps before you even start. Yeah. And then when you start, obviously having the chat does,

kind of make it easy because you can interact. But if you're just sitting there like boring, they're dipping. Yeah. So it's like the energy level of, okay, I have to be on in this moment. Like YouTube is easier because I can film a bit. And you can pull the good stuff. Yeah, I can pull the good stuff. But also I can go like, oh, wait, film this real quick.

I have this idea like or this moment I want to create. And then go back to like, okay, I'm like, I got to go to the bathroom and I don't have to worry about chat. Yeah. There's just something different about the chat interaction, which is great. But it's also very consistent. Do you feel like you could, do you feel like it's worth it? Like, do you feel like people can start large companies and communities and get a good exit

with the, with the fan base? I'm going to be honest with you. I think in the future it's going to be the only thing that's worth it. Really? Because of AI, because of this artificial creation of like influencers and fake thing. Everything is fake now. It's like, how the videos I see are like just some like weird AI video. That's crazy.

Or like now it's like people talking. like giving people, you know, advice, and it's not even a real human, but that you can't really tell. And it'll get to the point where you cannot tell. And you don't even know that person's real or not.

I mean, this happens in like the OF space with girls that aren't even real and they're selling not an old. They can sell on that? They can't sell on OF, but they can sell on other platforms that are similar.

Because OF requires like a licensing, like an ID. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be a real person to sell on there. Wow. Versus there's other platforms that are like they can just sell and then they can just use other people's content

and make a girl that's not real. So so much stuff is becoming fake That I think at some point It's going to be The live streaming is going to be just like The final frontier of content period That you know because you know it was real Yeah, yeah

But then it's like can they just fake live streaming at some point I don't know I don't know live stream is different But like in the community that those guys are building It's like Oh I think it's untouchable as far as like Relatability goes Because if someone's with you for six hours

Four hours they know you Streaming is way of above anything else. Even Alex Mosey said, I think he said Mr. Bice did like a thing and he called the guys out like just to see the crowds and it was like maybe like a crowd of like 40,000 people. Yeah. And he brought

out like the dude doing the shorts and it was like okay cool he's known whatever chill and he brought out the guy who was doing the YouTube video and was like they're way more known. And in podcast I think was like second. It was like of course like if you're watching a podcast with no visuals or anything just words, you're going to be very like tied with that person. but he said he brought out streamers

and the reaction was like just 10 times more like an earthquake just like crazy just because like you're really devoted yeah and I think it's also the demographic right like oh yeah kids get more hype yeah so the younger generation

is also the generation that's likely consuming the most content too so if they're consuming the most content then those are tendency to be the fans so it's gonna be the younger generation that is like also pushing all this stuff forward as we continue And the coolest thing that I've noticed,

the more streaming I've done or the more interacting with streamers that I've done, the more that you start to, like, I'll have, you know, when I was 20-some, I had 15-year-olds coming up to me, 16, 17-year-olds coming to me, boys were like, I love your content, workout stuff.

Now I'm older, and I still have that same age group as like, yo, I love your stuff. I listen to your podcast, or I've seen this clip, or I watch you on this stream. Yeah. It's, I noticed most of the time they reference the streaming stuff,

the younger generation. Oh, really? Yeah, to continue to connect with the younger generation. like even for you or any content creator watching this is like it's the most important thing because that's and yeah and i think that you feel like you can do all of those things though can you stream do youtube and do shorts shorts i wouldn't worry about that kind of just makes himself but yeah i could it's just very difficult extremely difficult because i've tried to stream and do you

like who who does streaming and youtube consistently no one most people stream and then they make Their streams, yeah. Are the clips from streams. From streams. Okay, so at this point in your life, do you, do you think you've, do you think you could die happy? What do you mean by, like, die, like, am I okay to die right now? I'm not saying you want to die.

I'm not saying you have any intention of dying anytime. Imagine I die like a week from now. I would, I would, no, that won't happen. God wouldn't let that happen. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, what is your time? It's your time. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't want to die right now. I don't. Because I want to have kids. Yeah, me too. I want to leave a trace. And I know, like, the job is not done. It's not done. They would make some crazy clips out of this one if I die, though.

But I don't know. Not right now, bro. Like, when it's your time, it's your time, and I'm cool. I'm not afraid to die. I'm definitely not because I know I'm going. You know what I'm saying? My beliefs, like, I have, like, strong hope. So it's like, I'm cool because I guess I won't know, like, like, hey, it's today.

Like, I'm chilling. But like if a doctor gave me a year to live, that would hit. What would you do? Would you do anything differently? I'll do everything differently. Interesting. Yeah. I would do everything different. I'm actually changing everything now. So I'm giving up all my cars.

Yeah. I have a Ferrari, G-Wagon, Rose Royce, Tesla. I'm giving them all up next week. Yeah. What are you going to, for what? What is this for? Just to reset. So I'm buying like a, a, 1998 Beamer, BMW.

Yeah, it's not a collector. Is this a YouTube video or is this like? No, this is just life, bro. Like, it's like, I think the car is like $8,000. I'm going to buy that. Yeah. So I have like over a million dollars in cars right now. I just realize like, and I'm looking for new cars, right?

And one day like, you know, I live in a penthouse in Miami as well. A really nice condo and I signed a lease for three months. And I only did three months because I wanted to see a lot. I like the area. And it turns out I wasn't hype about the area. And then every day I come home, like, what about the next spot, man? We got to get to the next spot. So I'm like, okay, cool. I'm on Zillow looking. And I'm like, dang, well, for me to get the next, for me to get like a really nice spot, it has to be like 50K for me, like to really, really like it. Like, I like these 50K houses. Or 50K a month, like, 50K a month condos. So right when I like said that in my head,

I literally said like, like Ashton, what are you doing? Like not even Ash, like first name. Like Ashton, legit. Like same Ashton from Jacksonville, Florida came up with nothing and had a smile on his face. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? College cutting hair just for like $5 and I was lit. I was hype.

You know what I'm saying? Life was, I was probably happier than, you know, like I just, my smile was different. And I'm good now. But it's like with all that stuff, all the stuff I have today, I was the same person from back then. So I'm like, what game am I playing? And I kind of realized, like, I lost a lot of who I was because my heart just was, like, desiring more and more and more. Of material.

Material, just like new shoes all the time, like, for no reason. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just fully need a reset. And I'm super thankful it's happening, you know, so early for me, like at 30 rather than 40. I'm realizing like we can say things we can say oh god comes first but like what do you put your time towards mostly you know when's the last time you prayed when's the last time you spent time with them you know what I'm saying we could say oh I don't care about material things but like how often are you thinking about getting something new so I just realized for me to get to my next step I need to reset

everything so yeah I'm going to give up all the cars and um I'm gonna get like a studio apartment Like when I go all in, like when I make my mind up, I go all in. Like my team's like, well, Ash, bro, just go from a three bedroom to a two bedroom or a one bedroom. I'm like, no, we're going to studio. We're going to, we're going to the trench. It's going to be a nice studio. No, I was telling my team I wanted to move like. No way.

You're cabin. You're cabin. Yeah, legit. I was like, yo, we should do like some section eight. And they're like, yo, Ash, I think you don't even realize like, you can't get in section eight, bro. Like, you don't qualify. And, but now I was really saying, like, I should move, like, you know what I'm saying? To get, like, not even a full experience, but just like to just like, just like clean everything out.

But it's going to be a nice studio. But it's going to be a lot, a lot cheaper. And it's just like, I'm just giving up a lot of the clothes that I have and stuff like that. No jewelry. No, no Rolex. No, no, no chain or anything. For at least, like, the next six months to just reset. But because literally I'm looking for new cars.

It was like, why, like, why am I collecting these things? And I also realize, like, my greatest moments are, like, you know, me retiring my mom. Like, that's, like, something in my heart that's, like, that feels good. But when I got the Ferrari, it's, like, on month two, I'm like, okay, what's next? Yeah. So, obviously, I don't really, like, care about it. It doesn't fulfill me. You know what I'm saying?

Like, even, like, the first apartment that I got when I first started getting money was $1,800 a month. It was like five years ago. And bro, I love that apartment for their entire lease. Like, I would wake up, like, on month 11, like, I'm that boy. Like, this is stuff. Like, God, it's good. Now, I'm three months into my lease. The rent is 15 times higher. And I'm just like, okay, where is the next spot? Yeah. It's like I'm just searching for something that is, like, doesn't even exist just in this like hamster wheel. You know what I'm saying? When did you start to recognize that? Literally when I was looking for a new spot to live and I like I went to the filters and I put minimum budget. You know you had minimum max. I put 50K minimum. You're like, who the

fuck am I? I'm like, what are you doing, bro? Yeah. Like, because at some point it's like, are you doing it for you or is it like, is it just for? It wasn't for me. Yeah. I wasn't doing it for me. So my rule is like when I get the next thing, I'm not flexing that. Like it's going to be mine. I'm not like doing it for the gram like everything i always got was for like the gram was always for other people and in my head like you tell yourself the good things right you lie to yourself sometimes so in my head was like well i'm doing this to inspire the little kids to show them what they can get but after a while it's like okay how many do you need you know what i'm saying so it's like i felt like i was just kind of losing losing myself and who i was and i know it's just like a scary game to play

yeah yeah it doesn't end good it doesn't end well it's like bray And there's no, like, it doesn't stop. Once you get 50, you want 100. And when you get 100, you want 200, it's like, and I'm still going to, I still care about numbers. Don't get me wrong, because I could help more people. But it's like, I just needed to reset, like, my mind's that, bro. But I'm excited about it.

I think it's a great idea. Yeah. That's something I recognize pretty early on, too. I was just, and maybe it's just, you told me that when I met you. Yeah. When I first met you, like, yo, the cars don't mean anything. Like, we're just like, don't waste money. Like, you told me that, that junk.

that's not set. I was like, dang. Yeah. He's chilling. Like, he's like secure. Like that was like,

for me, like when you said that, like, like, Oro's up. I'm like, yeah, he's chilling. He's secure with who he is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just think, man, it's like, you,

I'm assuming you realize it, but you get to a point where it really, it means nothing. It doesn't. Other than the thing that you said, which is cool. I mean,

obviously you could show what's possible from where you've come. Yeah. But at some point, it's like, to show that or am I just doing this to fulfill something that is sort of endlessly unfulfellable? And I think if it's a question, just give up everything and see how you feel. So it's like, I'm going through it now. You know, this is like the first week I'll be without

like all my things and I'm interested to see the growth because I don't know what's going to come out of it. I don't know what it feels like either. I've always had the car where I get out and people like, oh, nice back. People taking pictures of the car and stuff like that. Like now I'm about to be in the 98. You know what they'll treat you different? Oh, you feel off. Yeah, 100% Yeah, for sure. Oh, Ashen Hall's going broke. I'm waiting for it.

Well, yeah, that's cool. You know, but I have peace. Brad, 30, I just want peace. I just want peace. Like, I just want to, like, just know. And then also it's growth. Like, you got to just sometimes go monk mode. You know what I'm saying?

No haircut. Like, why? Like, I always do it. I always got a haircut. I always got a haircut. Brokeem in here with coconut oil. We'll talk about no haircut. Like, I do care about the aesthetic.

I'm not going to lie to you. It's different. But it's like that maybe that's something I need to do. like go 30 days without a cut like just keep your head down like you got it's so the the content creator of me so fuck because i'm just like you got to make that a youtube video oh yeah yeah yeah we're going to yeah we have like so okay yeah like i'm giving away cars too yeah good yeah i'm i bought a couple cars i'm gonna give them to some single moms and stuff like that yeah so it's like yeah we're doing like we're pulling my stuff back to be able to give and bless people more and uh also just create

more clarity like i want to be able to laugh at purchases i don't want to be able to i don't want to like okay we can squeeze this in like nah I'm gonna just relive like way under my means have like full like creativeness like I feel like my creativity will just go up a lot rather than just having like a whole bunch of options for like designer it is design it at

this car like what car should I drive like I got one car like let's go hit it yeah when have you felt the most creative like what makes you in what moments are you most creative in the morning right when I wake up yeah right when I wake up after I read pray write i'm journaling um i'd like have like crazy ideas like like yo like we're about to take over

the world type of ideas yeah and that's what i was doing with content for like that period of time now it's like i step i took a step back because i felt like i was just becoming content yeah oh i know that feeling i'm like i don't i live for the content like i want to do some stuff for me. You know what I'm saying? So I took a step back and I'm excited to see where we go, bro. But people are always going to have stuff to say. You take a step back, people are going to say you fell off too. It's like, cool. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, like, these guys, like, they're just bored. The commenters. Yeah, I used to, the comments you used to really get to me. But I realize, like, they just, they come here for entertainment, bro. Just let them

have their fun. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? How about you? How are the comments for you? Man, I, I'll be honest, I never gave a fuck ever. I did. Okay, that's, maybe that's not 100% true. I did care at one point. I remember one point it really got to me, but that was after a bunch of stuff had happened on the internet, I went to like a bunch of like drama bullshit. And I think for so many years previous to that everyone was like we love you uh you you know you're great you're good at this you're good at that appreciate your concept appreciate and then like i had like this whole downfall moment on the internet with like you know some other creators and it uh and then i had to read these comments that were just not true of me yeah and that's when i would say for about a year through that because it probably

lasted for like a year the same sort of like bullshit comments where i'm like having to deal with this nonsense because of, you know, what someone else said, albeit completely untrue and not, not true at all, but I still had to like go through that moment. That's when I was really like, all right, I don't give a fuck. It took me a year though, because previous to that, it was all love. Yeah. And then I went through this moment, you know, like you get these bullshit drama moments where someone saying something about you so that they get some cloud and then they turn your audience on you or people who were just maybe waiting to hate because that's the thing I realize is most of people who end up leaving hate comments, like never really wanted to sort of love in the first place.

But yeah, I did recognize at that, it took it again, it took about a year for me to just be like, oh, none of this actually matters. Because I was like, man, I can do everything right. And then the second someone just thinks something otherwise, what I recognized was that I was trying to make everyone happy. Yeah. And that's just not even, that's not even real. Just not real. You'll kill yourself doing that. Not real. Dangerous. So, so at this point, I just completely don't even, I just don't care. I do appreciate good comments. I do appreciate nice comments.

And the bad stuff, I'm just like, ah, it's just someone wants to say something because they want to feel a certain way about themselves. Yeah. You know, like you want to say something negative because maybe that's how you feel about yourself. Yeah. Because I've never met anyone truly successful that's just like shitting on other people, not once in my entire, talk to fucking thousands of successful people at this point.

And not, not any of them that I know to be truly successful are in comments saying, you Oh, fuck you, you suck. No. So you just recognize where it comes from and you realize like, I'm just glad I'm not at that point in my life anymore. I'm glad that I don't need to tell someone else they're bad so that I can feel better about myself. Yeah.

Because that's where it comes from. Yeah. Like there's no. It's everything to do with that person, nothing to do with the other. Yeah. I mean, that's just life. That's how it is. Fuck the internet.

I mean, just in real life, not even their comment. Like someone will come tell you, you know, you're not capable of this or that's, that's too hard or that sounds crazy. it's not a good idea. That's because that's how they perceive themselves and that's how they limit themselves. It could be a loved one. And sometimes they don't always mean harm.

They might be trying to protect yourself because they might be trying to protect you because they feel like they can't do that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But successful people are like, yo, go for the craziest thing. Yeah. Oh, that's your dream?

Dream bigger. Yeah. Every single one I've ever interacted with or conversated with, they all have the same notion when it comes to that. Yeah, you should look and sound delusional. Yeah. Why the freak does everybody believe that you can do

what it is that you're saying that you're going to do? So did you, before you had this success, when you were younger, did you always feel like, because I always find this question really interesting, did you always feel like there was something more for you? Like you weren't going to live a normal, quote-unquote life? Before, like everything, like when I was in high school?

Yeah, when you were young, before social media, before anything. Yeah. Yeah, I knew like, but for me it was football. So I knew I was going to be famous. I knew millions of people would know me through football in my head, and I would talk about Jesus. Yeah. Because I said to myself, I was like, if the three most famous people in the world would only talk about Jesus, like this world would be different. And I was like, I'm going to be one of those guys to talk about him when I get to the top.

And I kind of felt that like he had a big calling for me to be in front of a lot of people. I thought it would be football. but it wasn't it was you know social media something that didn't even exist back then you know what i'm saying like it wasn't a thing back then yeah um so yeah when it came you know things were cool like three four years ago but like when it came like this time around i was like oh like you have a true like a true assignment and uh it's been hard it's been tough i've been really hard of myself you know because i just don't want to let god down i want to make sure i'm like living in my purpose fully. But yeah, I always felt it for sure. Even my family too. Would say that about you.

Yeah, they knew. Like I had like out of like, like, I had a lot of like people were investing into me a lot. Yeah, I had a lot of attention. It's interesting that you know the the idea you kind of mentioned about you, you wanted to speak about God. I'm assuming the reason why I know you attributed a lot of your success to God. Yeah. The idea of intention. Yeah. What's the difference?

Meaning someone who believes in God and goes, I feel like God is calling me to do more. And I feel like you believe that, right? Versus the person who goes, who thinks without necessarily God in that picture that I'm still called to do more. Do you think it's the same thing? Yeah. I mean, you don't, like, you can get. to a place and get success without God.

It'll just be of the world. You know what I'm saying? Which I think is dangerous. What do you mean by that specifically? So like if God's not first and I became successful, like, I got my success from the world. You know what I'm saying? Rather than like, you know, I'm praying.

Like for me, like to become successful, you got to have faith and effort. Like the faith has to be there and you got to put, have to, you can't just have faith. You can't just say, oh, God, please make it happen. Like, you got to put effort behind. You got to have intentions behind the faith as well. So that's why I've gotten to where I was at. It still took long nights. It still took, you know, days of no sleeping, you know what I'm saying, being locked in with faith. Yeah. But what I'm saying is the idea of faith as it pertains to intention, right? If someone, let's say, they didn't

believe in God, they didn't think it, you know, they, they, because they struggled with it. Yeah. But they believed in their intention and they believed in their faith in themselves. I guess it's almost like, maybe as I'm getting older, I'm starting to recognize it. It's still God. You're just not recognizing it yet. You're not seeing it yet. Yeah.

I think it can be God, but, you know, if. Because you know what I was always going to say put God first. Yeah. That's what I'm getting to is like, because most of my like whole time coming up, I wasn't thinking about God. Okay. Right. I was thinking about, I feel like I can do this. I believe I can do this. If you become a believer, I could say it came from God, 100%. Like if you get saved like 10 years into your success, you know, your walk is going to be completely different and you're going to realize like, okay, God, you had me go through this for a reason. So yeah, 100%. I could say like God is probably

just, I mean, you grew up in Catholic school. You probably had people praying over you. Your mom is a believer. So it's like, yeah, for sure, I would definitely say your walk is from God. And you're reading the book right, the Bible right now, you're a quarter, like that's fire. That's beautiful. I can definitely say like God has had his hands on you and he didn't let you go fully at all. And he had you go through what you've been going through for a reason to serve a bigger purpose. Yeah. So that, that's big. And hearing that too, because I'm like, even yesterday when you were talking about God, I was like, oh, I could feel like the spirit. I was like, oh, yeah. Like he's, he's, different 100%. So it's like, I think for you, it's like just like just keep searching that thing.

Like finished up, I would read that junk again. Yeah. I'm saying? Keep speaking about it too. You're not afraid to speak about it. No, not at all. Yeah, that's good. When did you start speaking about this? I mean, I've been talking about religious stuff for, I would say, the last three years. Oh, really? But not, but it's always in, it's always in skepticism. Have you ever had anybody like super Christian on the podcast? Yes. Yeah. I had my buddy Sal on who does, like another podcast called Mind Pump. He sort of recently in his life found God like in a very real way. He was telling me the story about his daughter and this like almost like this

the craziest story you could ever think of in relationship to like this old homeless guy who like he had an interaction with and it was like the craziest story. I'll send you this clip. But like me even hearing this story, I was like there's nothing else that could be. Yeah. Other than God. Yeah. And so I had that conversation, had that moment with him.

And I had been sort of struggling with it for the last seven years, really, of my life, trying to make sense of it. And I guess I've just kind of come to the conclusion that, like, you can't, you can't just, it doesn't just make sense. You can't just go, this is for certain. But that's the faith part. That's the faith. That's what faith takes.

You just have to believe it. You just have to have that hope. You have to hold on to that. But to have faith, you got to put in effort. Yes. And that's the thing I struggle with. I struggle. I keep finding myself being torn both ways of, like,

like, is it, is it, is it just me doing this thing? And, but then looking back on the whole picture of my life and it's, it doesn't even seem possible that I would have been able to get to this point. If it wasn't for something greater. Yeah. It just would. But then I, but then I think like, well, that I, but I did it. It was me, right? That's that selfish part of me that's like, well, I put the effort in. Yeah. I did. I had to go through that. I dealt with that pain. I dealt with that hardship. I dealt with that love loss. Like, I dealt with that betrayal. Yeah. It was me. But And then I stop and I think I'm like, that feels so,

I don't know if it's the word selfish or like self-righteous. Yeah. But that's where I've struggled the most. And then I guess because I know so much about life outside and I told you earlier about religion and how it was used just in so many terrible ways, I'm just like, oh fuck, it's like, am I doing this because or am I believing this

or wanting to believe this because I feel like I should and it feels like the right thing or the good thing or it just is the thing. I struggled so much with that, even to this day. That's good. I mean, that's good that you're like, you're talking about this because a lot of people,

millions of people struggle with that. Millions of people. And, you know, I believe if it's in you, that's what you should, like, just go full, fully towards.

It's a blessing that it's in you. Some people are just, like, off. Like, and that's a person I'm afraid of. Some people are like, yeah, whatever. Cool. Successful billionaires, whatever. Like, oh, I don't feel anything.

The fact that it's, it's in you. I feel like it's your duty to continue to speak about it as you're like learning more and it's a safe place. I think that message is going to relate to so many people. Like there's a different pastor for everyone out there. Like people, oh, this pastor's doing it right. This pastor's doing it right. There's different people for everyone because everyone's story is going to be different. Like you're fit. You're six four like freaking like swolled up and you've probably helped. I mean, you have helped millions of people with their fitness journey. but I'm going to reach a different person

just because me and you have different stories and I relate to different people. So it's the same thing when you're talking about Christ, the same thing when you're talking about your religious beliefs. And I think it's fire where you're at. And I feel like as long as you just keep seeking that thing that's inside of you,

like you're going to help so many people without even knowing, like legit. Because a lot of people are like where you're at and then when it evolves to something else two years down the line, like it's just going to be like you're going to be blessed. So I'm excited to see that. I just want to, I guess.

You want more answers, but it also says in scripture, you shouldn't lean onto your own understanding. So we don't have to know everything. And that's the part that sucks because we want to know. You know, being human, we want to know. It's like some things I won't understand and that's okay, I have peace. You know what I'm saying? I give it to the Lord.

I think that's my problem. Yeah, because I want to understand. I want to know. I want to know for certain. It's like, mom, but why? Mom, but why? Yeah, I guess you just can't, you can't know. Like, you literally can't know for certain.

Yeah. You can't. I mean, you can't know. That's just where faith just, it kicks in. And I'd rather be in that place. Like, you know, like, for me, when I was deep, deep, like deep, and then my faith was different. And it's beautiful now, but it was super beautiful in college.

But I was so close to the Lord, like, I'll go to my dorm and I'll just be crying out. Like good tears though. Like my coaches would be bullying me. Like we're about to see you back to Florida. You suck. Like I was like this looking like this. So when I wouldn't perform on the field, people would be pissed because it's like,

why do you look like that? And you suck. So I was like to some level like a little bit bullied in college. But anyways, I said to say I'll come on from a long, like long day of practice. Come in my room and I'm just like crying. And I'm just like so thankful. even through that hard time.

And I had so much faith, and I'm like, yo, like, you could take my mom away from me right now, and I'll praise you harder tomorrow. And I feel like that faith is just like, that's scary faith, bro. And you need that in this life. How do I get that? Just continue to seek, just continue to read, pray. Like, you just got to put the work in. It's just like when people, like, they literally come to you to say, bro, like, how long is it going to take for me to look like you?

And you're just looking at them like, dang, that sucks. Like, you just don't even know. You just got to keep putting in the work. You got to fall in love with the process. You know what I'm saying? And then eventually it'll happen overnight. It's not one year you're just going to be swallowed up. But if you fall up with the process, it's going to happen, it's going to feel like it happened overnight.

So what you're doing right now, like you're headed there. Like, just keep reading. Finish the entire book. You know what I'm saying? Pray you're praying one minute a day. Go from one to two minutes and just make sure you give him the praise along the way. You'll see him working miracles in your life and you'll have fire faith. But for me, like, I pray for that faith again.

Like, I was in a different spot, man. And it's crazy to even think about like. So it does do this. It does. It can. It can do it. And like you, I mean, we're human, bro. It's like things happen.

You might be upset or you get distracted. I think the biggest thing in this life that happens to most of us, um, no one actively is like looking for the devil. level, like we just get distracted and we're just caught off guard. Like, when you fall out of love with your wife, like, it's because you're distracted and you're looking at everything she doesn't have because you're seeing everything that these other women do have. It's just a distraction.

Whereas if it was only you and your wife on planet Earth, you would be tied to her. You would be tighter because you have no distractions. So I think it goes like this because we get distracted because life is hard. bills are real you know what I'm saying friends fall out people stab you in the back and you just lose focus so for me it's like when I know I'm being distracted and I know my flesh is weak I just flee from sin I'm not going to this gym I'm not going to this dinner I'm not going to be up after this time of the night and I just get closer to him I'm gonna pray when I don't feel like man freak I don't want to pray and I'm late my team is here we got to go shoot but I just go do it anyways and I feel like that

Like that mindset towards anything in life That's gonna make you successful But like more importantly Like I think that's what's gonna make you become like On fire Christian Yeah Yeah But the fact that you want like you're

Like you're like reaching for all this And you feel all this and it's real like That enough like God knows your heart So if you died today like I believe like you're good Like I'm not God obviously But like you like some people just don't care Like you feel Conviction when you're doing wrong

you know what I'm saying? So it's like some people don't. Some people just do wrong and it's like it is what it is, you know? Like as long as you feel that conviction, like you're solid, you're good. And if you want to be closer and you continue to put it into work like you will. You will be. It's interesting how it's like the same sort of thing is the thing that I've done just in a different way, more physical. Yeah.

The effort over time, the ups and downs, the hard part. Yeah. So the fact that you've done this already in. something else, you could do it towards that. And for me, like, looking from the outside end, because I know, like, I've done the same thing physically. So it's like, if I could do that physically, like, I could do this also spiritually as well. So I already know, like, you're in that same spot. You've done it physically. You're going to get to that. You've been successful in business, business, and now you're seeking the Lord. So it's like, it's going to be a crazy story

to see in two years. Crazy story. I'm excited, man. Well, listen. It's been a fucking absolute pleasure. Yeah. You are, you're, I hope you do succeed at, and I know you will actually, at your sort of goal of continuing to show who you really are. Yeah. Outside of, you know, whatever the internet thinks of you or doesn't necessarily know of you yet. Yeah.

Because I think you have a lot of depth and you have a lot of value to add to a lot of people, man. Yeah. And I appreciate that. And I'm really grateful that we were able to interact at a time, like before you really came up. And to have this conversation now is just like, It's fucking beautiful. But that's God, though. That's not like by accident.

That's why I talk about, every time someone mentions you, I always think about the moments we had and we connected then for whatever reason. Who knows what it grows to be in three, four years, me and your relationship. Or like, maybe I met you and something. I learned something through that.

But those encounters were super raw, super real. And I'm very appreciative of it. That's why I came to the show. I always knew. When I would scroll, I'm like, okay, he's busy. I'm busy. But I'm going to be there at some point.

And I believe everything happens for purpose. So like this one was personal. Like this one was fired. Yeah. I appreciate it. I'm proud of you for real, man. Love. You're a good human.

Yeah. I appreciate it. And there's some things on this pot I wish I could have talked about, but I know I can't talk about. But I just think that's saying that when it comes out, it's going to be on this pot. I can't wait. I'll say that. Because you're a fucking, things that I know, you're a legend.

You're a fucking legend, bro. Like it's, you really are exactly who you say you are. And that's, that's what I find the most redeemable about you. And it's that's a blessing, a true blessing. I appreciate it. Genuinely. Yeah. You a dog, man.

I appreciate it. That was so good.