REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 10. Should You Eat Bambi or Bamboo, How to Avoid Loneliness, and Why the Happy and Successful Play Catch and Release

Episode Date: March 1, 2020

Valentine’s day was last week. Dr. Gabrielle Lyon joins Andy and the crew as they discuss whether passionate Vegans can handle the truth about meat, why 3 out 5 Americans are lonely, and how a simple mental exercise can transform your life.

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Got more cars than diddy. I only weigh 180, but my watch cost 250. What's up, guys? It's Danny Frisella, and this is the show for the realest. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of modern society, and welcome to motherfucking reality. As always, I am joined by my handsomest of co-hosts, DJ, DJ God, otherwise known as Vaughn the Impaler. Dude, you have got a Valentine's glow in your face.

Hey, man. It is the 15th of February. Valentine's Day was yesterday and you're still walking around with hearts in your eyes and shit. I know, man. Hey, I got a fourth daughter coming in, what? Six weeks? Five weeks? Four girls. That didn't keep me from making my wife pregnant another time.

A second time. I made her re-pregnant. You re-pregnated her? What the fuck? Where are we going with this? I don't know. Did you guys celebrate Valentine's or what do you do? Re-pregnant. You re-pregnated her after she was pregnant? What the fuck? Where are we going with this? I don't know. All right. I don't know. It didn't go in the direction I wanted it to. Did you guys celebrate Valentine's, or what do you do?

Well, we're going to kind of do that today. Are you? Yeah, just because of, you know, I think in the last, well, certainly in the last three years, but probably in the last seven years. I can't tell you the last time we went to a black tie affair. So the fact that we're going to the first form thing tonight with all of you guys, she's really excited about that. Tonight's our first form awards banquet and ceremony that we do once a year it's five six hundred people everybody comes up and we reward uh our our key

people and performers and it's a good time it's all you know what's cool you're gonna notice this too it's cool to see all the guys um because a lot of these guys dude it's the first time they ever put on tux yeah you. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's really, really cool. Yeah. Well, I had to go pretty standard classic tux living in a small town. Hey, bro.

So, powder blue, ruffles. Yeah, okay. A little dumber, dumber action. Yeah, exactly. By the way, I warned my wife that there'd be like tons of hot women there tonight who all wanted pictures with me. Well, and they probably all need books written too. Well, that's true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's a, yeah, that's an inside joke, but lots of books. So, we have a very special guest today. Why don't you introduce her? Yeah, we are excited to have Dr. Cabrillo-Lyon with us. And you know what? I know you don't want me to brag on you, but I'm going to brag on you anyway. So, basically Dr. Lyon, you are a functional medicine doctor. You're

board certified in family medicine, right? And you went to Arizona College of Osteopathy, which I'm a big believer in osteopathy because my wife is an osteopath. And you also went to Washington University in St. Louis, which if you guys don't know, that is like a cream of the crop type of school. In fact, I think, if I'm not mistaken, it's ranked number one medical school in the nation. It's definitely up there. It was at one point. You got like a nutritional science.

Did your fellowship in nutritional science? I did, and obesity medicine and geriatrics. That's awesome. Well, and then if I'm getting this wrong, forgive me, but you specialize in muscle metabolism and body composition optimization, which means you help people get swole. Yeah.

Right? Yes, I do. But in general, you are just a very, very, very intelligent woman. That's why we had you on here. That's what I wanted to hit on here. Okay. What you guys don't understand is that she's one of the smartest people that I personally know, and we want to bring smart people on the show.

So she's here, and one of the cool things that she does is help with the health and the overall fitness and conditioning of all branches of special forces for the United States. So that's something that's really cool you guys should know too, but I'm happy to have her on really for the sake of conversation. So thanks for making the trip down here. Yeah, happy to be here. This is a second time we flew with the baby.

Yeah. How'd that go? Good. Yeah? Yeah, so we have a trick. We dress her really cute. You give her vodka? We put her in a little sailor outfit with a little hat.

She looks really cute. So then when she's screaming and crying, everyone's oh man the baby is so cute do you know that not everyone's like oh yeah the baby they're still like shut the fuck up totally yeah yeah 100 so so with you being married to a navy seal i love the direction you went with the name of your girl so you want to share with everybody that yeah so her name is aries hunter aries hunter and who is aries aries is the god of war actually god of war we're trying to keep that a little under wraps but you know yeah it's all right well uh i'm i'm super impressed by that but listen so speaking of husbands and and uh and marriage and babies and all that obviously obviously last week was Valentine's Day. And so while we're not

going to stay slavishly to the subject of love and relationships, I just thought I'd give everybody a little preview of what to expect in our conversation. I read a recent survey that basically shared some pretty startling results about what women think in America. And it's super relevant to everybody who doesn't want to die alone and be unhappy. So we're going to talk about that today a little bit. Given your expertise too, Dr. Gabrielle, there is a war going on in America. It is an intense war. It is a war for the heart and soul of America. Well, actually, technically, I think it would be the mouth and the stomach of America. We're going to talk about that, too, and why it's relevant to everybody who actually continues to live by eating,

which is pretty much everybody other than those who are fed intravenously, which I think is probably a very small percentage of our country. So we're going to talk about that. Are we going to talk about why the fuck everybody's so fat? We could talk about that. I'm happy to talk about that. We could talk about that yeah that could that we could talk about that and then the last thing can we also talk about why um everybody now thinks that it's okay just to throw science out the window of every single diet in the face of the earth and just make up shit i think let's

talk about that there's a lot of pseudo experts out there it's pretty outrageous yeah so after we talk about all that the last thing i want want to talk about is an epidemic that's actually sweeping the country. And it's not the coronavirus. But this epidemic is in many ways just as dangerous and affects people. It really strikes at the heart of what it means to be a human being. So that is what we're going to cover in a way that nobody else on the planet can cover. But before we start, I actually have one of two questions that I want you all to answer. The first question is, what is the most embarrassing date you've ever been on or horrible

date you've ever been on? Or just anything involving a romantic situation that was super embarrassing. Or the other question, if you would like to opt for the other question, the other question is, give us what you think is the greatest pimp move you know like just the greatest pimp move like how to make yourself attractive you know so you start okay all right in the hot seat so the worst date and I think that this is universal those are the guys that all they do is talk about themselves mm-hmm truly as if they are the most interesting man in America. Right. Just brutal.

So just that. Is that frequent? Well, I mean, obviously I haven't been dating for a while, but yeah. I don't think that's necessarily. Guys, I think that's people right now. Yeah. You know, what I've noticed from the social media, you know, I'm old enough to know what it was like before the social media craze hit.

And a lot of the younger people, you know, they don't really remember because they weren't around. And I think it's greatly accelerated the level of narcissism in our society. You know, it seems that it's really hard to have a conversation where someone just doesn't want to barf out all the good shit about themselves all the time. It's kind of weird. It is weird. It's really interesting. And then they believe their own hype. And that's what's even weirder.

Yeah. Do you mean like these motherfuckers on Instagram that have like 1.7 million followers and they get 4,000 comments on their fucking posts and no one knows who the fuck they are. And then all of a sudden they walk around with their chest puffed out. Like, there's some kind of, like, dude, just because you went and bought a bunch of fake shit and it makes it look like online that everybody knows who you are doesn't mean that everybody knows who the fuck you are. Yeah. Or that you've done any of the work that is required to get there. You ever wonder, like, how is it possible that you could actually pay for all those followers and that,

and that, you know, deep down that 98% of your followers are bots, but you still feel good about that. I don't think they feel good. I don't think they do either. I bet you they live in fucking fear and they're waiting for the shoe to drop where they're going to get fucking caught.

Yeah. I'm sure that's a terrible way to live because dude, I mean, I can't imagine what that would feel like to like literally be pretending to be something that you're completely not and then charging money to talk about those things. It's just weird, man. It's weird to me that the government has to come in and like just put some of these motherfuckers in jail to make a point. Yeah, like scant. Yeah. But I mean, dude, make a point. Yeah. Like scan. Yeah. Like,

but I mean, dude, when we're talking fraud, it is totally wrong, but the, the, but, and we're getting off track with this,

but I mean the, it's, I think it's what you said. I think people start to believe their own shit. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, like that doesn't, it's not going to make it true,

man. You know? And then you see these same guys and girls, like, throwing events and having parties and doing these things like they're celebrities. Like, you know, oh, Saturday night's my birthday party. And they make, like, a fucking flyer for it. It's like, dude, what the fuck is going on? Like, when I was growing up, you fucking, Saturday night was your birthday.

And still, like, dude, I'm going to call three of my boys. I'm going to say, hey, let's go get fucked up. Like, you know what I'm saying like oh we're not making a fucking well actually Madat and I might make a flyer but it'll be for us to send back and forth

to each other right you know and then just convince ourselves that we're cool but we don't fucking it's just weird man like there's weird shit going on

yeah there is weird what is going on like people are people are going to great lengths to prove that there's somebody that there's significance yeah but man you know like how much better would the world be if people were just be somebody to the people right next to them yeah you know what i'm saying i think that's great yeah like that's that's that's the most

important that's the point right you want to be someone start with the people right here next to you yeah let's let's do something for them. If you really know all this shit you say you know, why don't you help the motherfuckers you know in real life? But people don't want to do that work anymore. They don't want to grind out for 10 years or 20 years. Or 17. Yeah, dude.

I made a story yesterday about Chris and myself when we were starting our business. The first 10 years, people think this is bullshit. yesterday about, uh, you know, Chris and myself, when we were starting our business, um, you know, the, the, the first 10 years, like people think this is bullshit. Like we're making it up. And the first 10 years in business, man, we fucking made 58 grand each. I could fucking prove it year one through three, zero bucks. Okay. Seven or three through 10, six hundred ninety five dollars a month. That's truly how we did it. And then when I say that, people are like, well, how the fuck did you survive? Well, motherfucker, I worked other jobs to keep my business open.

That doesn't make any sense. Yep. You know, but look where we are now. You know what I mean? People just aren't willing to do that. They have all this technology, all these things at their disposal where they can literally connect with different people in a meaningful way, hundreds of times a day, but they choose not to do it. And instead they want to pretend like they're a fucking celebrity and everybody owes them the conversation or the interest or the,

you know, whatever it is, the attention, the likes, the shares that whatever, you know, people don't owe you that shit. Just because you have a million followers that you fucking bought doesn't mean people are going to listen to you. So we have a situation right now going on where I think people are just fucking lost, man. I think people are really lost. They've lost the ability to communicate and care about the people right next to them and instead prefer to put out this image that they think is going to improve their existence

when in reality all it does is take away from their existence because it's taken away from their soul yeah you know what i mean like dude if you're making up all this shit and you're trying to be something that you're not that's going going to wear you down, man, on the inside because you know you're fucking lying. And that's going to kill your confidence. It's going to kill your self-esteem. It's going to make you uber paranoid, all these different things.

And, like, dude, if people would just start here and here and here and learn how to be good at it, you know, people would probably listen, and it would start to grow. You know what I mean? Yeah. Fuck, dude, I was writing shit on facebook in 2009 and it was getting three fucking likes you know i'm saying like nobody gave a shit but here we are 10 plus years later and it's different

and people just aren't willing to accept that that's how it works it just does i don't know anybody in life who's literally made something of themselves and it hasn't taken them a decade. A hundred percent. And that goes back to this epidemic of bullshit that we're hearing in society about nutrition and health and wellness. Those people haven't done the work.

Right. They haven't done 10, 20, 30 years of the work. Right. But their opinion is relevant. That's right. Your opinion is not relevant. That's right. It's not relevant.

It's a one instant gratification. Yeah, but what you're saying, I think. It's irrelevant information. And so, for example, I'll give you an example. So, you know, on my Instagram, I feel very passionately about just health and wellness because I care about people. So, you know me.

I fucking care about their life. I do. Dude, that's one of my favorite things about you. I told you this the other day. Yes, and I care deeply. I mean, I have invested, people invest in peripheral things. I've invested in myself.

Hundreds and thousands of dollars in debt to invest in my education so I can serve other people truly. And so I post these things that I know are very well vetted and validated. It's science. It's the laws of science. And I've spent time learning this and studying this from the best. And I get tons of comments from 17-year-old girls or guys about how I'm lying,

I'm funded by the industry, all this bullshit. Right. Yeah. As if their opinion is relevant. Right. Right. It's not relevant. Right.

Even if, even if they have a couple hundred thousand followers. Well, that's what they think makes them relevant. But they're not. I know. But that's, but this is the problem that we have in society. Everybody's so quick to just want to like have the answer and be right versus actually taking the time to listen yeah oh and putting it you've been in business for how long have you been 21 okay 21 years so you're telling me you put in time yeah you've earned it you've earned the right to have a

platform and to have an opinion that people listen to i kind of chuckle when i hear you say that their criticism is that oh you're just paid by the industry well i'm pretty sure that there are tons of people in the industry that hate you you know what i'm is that, oh, you're just paid by the industry. Well, I'm pretty sure that there are tons of people in the industry that hate you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not out there promoting the establishment. No. That comes from people wanting to be an expert

before they've done the fucking work. You know, they want to, and dude, a lot of these things, like, you know, I understand, like, okay, let's just talk about vegans for just one second. All right. I understand why you want,

why you believe in that. I truly get it. I truly get why you believe and why you live that lifestyle. I understand, dude, I fucking care about animals too. And I get it. I get it.

I get it. I get it. Totally get the emotional investment that people have in it. But when you stand up and you start saying things that just aren't true, it discredits the movement. So like, for example, like, you know, dude, I've been attacked by vegan people by posting pictures of my dog

and then they come on my page and say, you don't love your dog, you eat fucking meat. And I'm like, well, that's some really fucking weird logic. But, you know, I do eat meat and I do love my dog and I can do both. All right. Now, I'm not barbecuing my fucking dog. Right. Like, you know, but like they the there's no logic in any of the arguments.

And they're the most I have to say they're the most abusive and aggressive group. For sure. They truly wanted their message to be heard. Now, I. It's, that's not the way to do it. Now, I agree. And it's a culture problem in their movement. I totally agree with that.

They, there is, now, with that being said, there is a lot of vegans I'm friends with that actually. Totally. Me too. That actually totally get it. Yeah. And they look at the science and they say, okay, I know the science is this,

but I still choose to do this because I feel it's the right thing to do. That is okay. But what's not okay is when you force shit out that's not true, people make decisions based upon that information and they end up less healthy because of it. And that's the problem they have.

Plus, when you attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, what's the natural reaction to someone when you attack them to resist? Right. So if you really care about the vegan movement, you vegans out there listening, listen, I get it, dude. I make a lot of vegan products. I try to create the best vegan products on the face of the earth for you guys. I totally support what you're doing, but understand that when you attack, attack, attack, attack, you're hurting the moral cause that you're trying to promote.

Totally. So if they could reorganize their methods, they'd be a lot more effective and happier. Yeah. So while we're on that topic, because let's just roll with this, because this is something that we had planned as a topic to discuss. So a recent Valentine's survey said that in spite of the fact that everybody dogs on the whole idea of dinner and a movie as sort of uninspiring and boring and cliche,

the reality is the vast majority of Americans actually say, yeah, just having dinner together and chilling is a really, really great thing. So you guys are talking about vegans. I mentioned earlier, there's a war going on in America. It's a war for America's mouth and stomach. And it has to do with- Because it's a war for dollars. Right. And it's a war about meat. So I think this really ties in to what you guys are talking about already. So let's just go with it. I was going to wait till later to talk about that, but let's talk about it. What's this war going on right now about meat? Yeah. So it's like Andy was saying, there's this ethical dilemma where people have this issue with eating meat, but it's not about meat, right? It's about misinformation and

pushing an agenda. So you've got two very separate groups. You have the people that are really into eating meat and protein and health. And then you've got this vegan vegetarian group. And it's really divided. And so what's happened is we're hearing a lot of false information that's literally poisoning our country. So what's basically the position of the vegan people? Animals and animal products will kill you animal animals and animal products will kill you

animals and animal products will kill you and it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the environment and it's cruel to animals right that's what i mean cruelty you're i mean if you take that off the the table right animals you do have to kill them to right eat them that would be really weird to do it while they're alive. But then the other aspects of that as if it's bad for the environment or bad for your health are total lies. Right. Let's talk about the cruelty piece later, but let's talk a little bit about that. So their contention is that beef is actually, I've actually heard vegans say it's a carcinogen. Right.

You know, that's something I hear left and right. So let's talk about that. Is beef bad for you? So no. And there's never, I mean And there's never been any kind of randomized controlled trials or high-quality evidence to support that. That's it. It's simple. You talk about cancer risk. Smoking and cancer, when you think about what that is, there's a 2,000, a 3,000 increase in the risk of cancer if you smoke. All the data out in you know in the atmosphere if you eat animals and the risk

of cancer is uh considered not statistically significant so what's motivating them to tell people that it's industry it's an industry it's an it's an angle of fear that they can push into people's brains that convinces them to go along with their moral agenda. Yes, it is a moral agenda. So it's manipulating science to promote a moral agenda. And they're thinking, because I've talked to many people that are very responsible vegans. And they agree there's a big problem with the vegan culture. Yes, same with the patients and people that i take care of right yeah and they will tell you that they are

encouraged vegan there's a lot of vegan leaders out there i guess or influencers that encourage people to push these things out because they're in their mind it doesn't matter how the quote unquote murders stop. Whatever it takes to stop the murders, we're going to stop them. Stand in front of a truck, fucking burn places down, whatever the fuck it takes.

Okay? So when that's the mentality, it's okay then to just make shit up to polarize people and scare them and fear them and shame them into a decision. But I'm sorry, that's not fucking America. And most people don't care about eating beef. They're going to eat a steak and be okay with it. That's right.

So the other tactics are going to say it's bad for the environment and bad for your health. Right. And you know, there's scientists right now and it's really interesting. You know, I was trained by scientists that have a lot of integrity. Dr. Donald Lehman, he's one of the OGs of protein metabolism and he doesn't care what the answer is. He cares about the truth of it. You've got other guys like David Katz

and this health initiative where they try to change the biological value of protein, literally the biological value, and say wheat protein is the same as animal protein. But it's not. But they have enough funding and enough money behind them that they do studies that literally are so false that they work to change the biological balance.

What are the... Hold on. Sorry, go ahead. That's something that people need to understand about studies. Yeah. Is when you fund a study, you can get any fucking answer you want.

Yeah. People don't realize that. There's a million companies out there that will study, do a study for you privately and basically come out with the answer that you're looking for. It's not talked about. It's not spoken about. It's not in writing, but it's an unspoken thing. Like, hey, we're funding you. We kind of need this answer to come out. And then it

comes out. You know what I think of when you say that, Andy? Correct me if I'm wrong, Doc, but wasn't it a couple years ago or maybe even just within the last year that the American Heart Association came out with a thing that basically said that coconut oil was bad for you and that corn oil was preferable? And most doctors, especially functional doctors, were going, are you insane? This was so blatant propaganda. So talk about that. It's just ramp it's just rampant. So the American Heart Association gets money from processed foods like oatmeal, where on the other end of the spectrum is commodities like beef and egg. They can't, the money doesn't go to sources like the American Heart Association. And they're very, because they're under the umbrella of the USDA,

there's, they're very limited in what they can say. So all, say, beef could say is that it's part of a healthy diet. Whereas processed foods can then give money to the American Heart Association, gives millions, and then American Heart Associations will say, eat oatmeal. That's scary, to be honest with you. Or eat corn oil. You know, and it's really interesting the more integrity the science has. For example, it's very hard for industry science to come out.

Industry science would be egg and beef and those kinds of things. It's very difficult to get poor studies published because they're under so much scrutiny. So you're saying that's a good thing? Yeah. As opposed to, yeah, yeah. As opposed to other aspects like Andy was talking about. So I think the average consumer, I think this creates a problem, which is that we want to trust the people in authority. We want to. And so it's scary when we find out that there's all this.

So I have a question because, know sometimes in in in our economy on here is that we the the the world that we live in has always been lied to what's happening now is that the transparency is so fucking easy now and it's so easy to look beyond what people are saying or their marketing message or their this that we're starting to figure out that we've been manipulated for a long time. Yeah. And that's really what's going on. So like, this isn't new. It's just new that we know about it.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes total sense. So this show is about telling the truth and we do our best not to be biased either way, politically, you know, Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal. I feel like in America, in the history of America, sometimes there are certain parties that are more responsible for something bad in America than the other party. But in this case,

with the issue of the way that this is working, where you have these big companies controlling the outcome, I feel like both parties are responsible for letting this happen. Is that true? You know, I don't know. I feel, I don't know. I feel like there's a lot of industry and pharmaceutical funding that make things very, very confusing.

And then you have the, you know, Americans not doing their part. Yeah. Really not taking responsibility for themselves. You've got, you know, like Andy was saying about the million follower, 17-year-old girl just spewing because she read it. I don't know.

She read a Reddit post. Yeah. But now all of a sudden she's an expert. Or her favorite pop star actually said, oh, this is horrible. Dude, you know what? If you want to do something because your favorite person does something, fucking do it. That's not what we're saying. We're not saying this at all.

But know the facts like dude if you're gonna do something know that like like here's where the problem comes in in my opinion let's say you have someone who really wants to be healthy they want to be healthy they're sick they want to be healthy and then they read some of this shit okay that's put out that isn't true and they could say fuck all right well that sounds pretty good because they're ignorant to what's going on right and then the person follows that and actually gets less healthy when their goal is to be more healthy and then they get sick and die that's not being considered by anybody and it's not being talked about by anybody and

there's a social responsibility i agree with exactly what you said of American people to put a stop to this stuff because it's not right. People are getting sicker. They're not getting healthier. All right. You. You cannot just make up shit because you feel a certain way and because of the way that the internet has yeah become this thing now there's no checks and balances against you know what's the worst thing that can happen to you someone posts you on another page it says you're full of shit yeah there's no fucking people

policing this shit and we have a big problem now because now it's getting into like certain groups of people have figured out that if they stomp and scream and shame and yell and fucking make embarrassments and actually just become a pain in the ass yeah the other people will just shut the fuck up yep and that's a problem that's a big problem so we have a scenario now where you know people are willing to shout people down that actually know the truth and eventually the smart people just shut the fuck up they're just gonna say you know what you guys fucking deal with you do your own thing bro you guys deal with it dude you're totally right in fact and this is this has become more and more a strategy of people who are out there promoting falsehood that instead of i'm guessing i'm gonna about you, Doc, that if somebody came onto your page and said, listen, I respect your position.

I disagree with it. Here's why I disagree. You would totally respect that person. But I'm guessing that that's not what you get. Nine times out of ten, you probably get, you hate animals. You're an animal hater. You're cruel. Or, yes.

There's not an engagement with the facts. There's name calling. Or people that think they know what they're talking about. Right. Writing a whole bunch of stuff that's just not true, and then it's confusing everybody else. Right. And because that person has some semblance of, they sound intelligent. Right.

But I don't have time, because I actually do the real work and see patients. Yeah. I don't have time to sit with all these nonsense. Become a social warrior. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I don't have time.

Right. So that's the problem, right? We have a problem where a lot of motherfuckers who aren't doing shit become the social voices for all these different movements. Yeah. And the real experts, the people who know, they're actually busy doing real work. Right. Doing real work.

So now we have a scenario where there's so much misinformation being thrown out there because you have another group that's like, dude, I'm'm not gonna sit there and argue with someone on the internet like I had a guy come at me the other day on on something I said about supporting Trump okay like and he came at me with oh dude you know I love you but you're fucking insane for know, and then he came in with, you put child kids in cages and this and that and this. And I'm like, what? I'm like, okay,

well be specific on what you're saying. Cause if he did that, I don't know about it. Right. Right. And then, so he came in and he came in with some more stuff and I said, okay,

well what does that mean? Like, why do you think that? I'm literally trying to figure out, like, is there some shit I don't know where this motherfucker put some motherfuckers in a cage? Like, you know what I that? I'm literally trying to figure out, like, is there some shit I don't know where this motherfucker put some motherfuckers in a cage?

Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, it wasn't that at all. I thought the same thing. It was just nonsense. And I finally said, he finally came back after I asked him a couple questions,

and he said, dude, you're just toying with me. No, I'm not toying with you. Right. I'm trying to make you understand that what you're saying is complete bullshit. Right.

And that's the problem. People don't want to accept that they're full of shit. Yeah. And I've never seen it before. It's like this confirmation bias where you could literally say the sky is blue and someone would say, no, it's not. Yeah. Right.

No, it's really not. You say it is. The fucking world's flat. Yeah. I mean, dude, come on. People don't want to deal with reality yeah i had this recent experience i was on national television on the show called the doctors and you know a lot of the listeners probably don't know about it because you maybe it's i saw it i looked it up all right okay so um they invited me out there and i knew what i was

getting into it was five liberal doctors and me. And when I say liberal, they had an agenda. And they were very plant-based, which is totally fine. And I would literally say, and this is a super simple concept, animal protein is different than plant protein. I mean, it's not. It's fucking fact. It's not.

It's correct. It's not mind-blowing. And the guy was just shaking his head. How can you argue? No, it's not. It's fucking fat. It's not. It's correct. It's not mind blowing. And the guy was just shaking his head. How can you argue? No, it's not. No. This guy was a doctor? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's. Yes, he is. But he is so deep in his agenda. Yeah. You know, his ideology is driving his. He knows.

But he knows. His rational his rationality it's but it's yeah so he has to literally know what he's saying is not true i'm sure and saying it anyway i'm sure he does dude see that's fucked up i understand and then but so now so now um i'm on a show with these five other physicians who are all plant-based and i'm giving them facts and I'm saying you know these this is the issue we're not over consuming protein it's not bad for us we've never had any studies any randomized control trials to determine that it is and he said well we don't need randomized control trials to determine that running with scissors is bad for our kids that's the logic yes and I said but we have randomized control trials that support these things are healthy so everybody but everybody listening and then the way they edit it so then

you know here i am trying to speak up to protect people everybody listening including the doctors to shut it down and that is the problem because from the top down it's wrong it's lies well we live in a work we dude right right now, look, man. People don't even have a chance. No, they don't. Because people are so fucking narcissistic and fool themselves. They don't even have a chance. They're not willing to say, you know what?

I don't really know anything about that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, you're right. Like, dude, they're- To say, I don't, that's not my bailiwick. Let me tell you, too. I'm going to say, that's not my bailiwick. I'm going to tell you too. Dude, motherfucker, if you think that you're going to bullshit your way through life and somehow come out the other end being successful, you are fucking sorely mistaken.

Because you will get to a level where the people that are further down the road than you are going to recognize you're full of shit and they're going to kick you off the ladder like climbing the success ladder in any area whether you be building a movement for better whatever okay you have a moral agenda that you want to push and you start to make up science about shit that isn't true the smart people are going to fucking look at you and say you're full of shit yeah which actually hurts the cause because you want the smart people to actually say hey i'm gonna adopt this and if they would just fucking tell the truth and say dude i just believe this is the way to do it i don't believe in killing animals some smart people would actually say you know what i actually agree with that but because they lie and because they push this shit it's

impossible to get people that are actually intelligent to buy into it okay and at the scale that you need for it to actually spread so these motherfuckers whoever's running the vegan movement you motherfuckers should hire me to show you how to do this because you're fucking it up please don't do that well i'm it's, it's, if they would just tell the truth and say, dude. And just say, hey, we just don't believe in it because it's morally, but not, you know. That's a good enough answer. I mean, that's, I agree.

Yeah. I agree. I don't disagree with you at all, Andy. I, but I do think that the other layer of this is that it's not just about people who are smart. It's about people who are smart and are willing to tell the truth. Because clearly those doctors that were talking to you, they're smart people. They're just not willing to tell the truth. No, I think they're brainwashed. They're 100% brainwashed. They have a belief and they are not willing to say, you know, so I think part of being a good

business person, being a good physician, being a good person is willing to get information and go, you know what? Maybe I need to reevaluate that. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've been wrong this whole fucking time. By the way, that's one of the number one reasons that as a person of faith, I regularly read things that atheists write.

I regularly read books by atheists. I regularly read- Bro, I do the same thing in business. Because I want to be challenged i do what i believe so i read things from people that i don't necessarily fucking think i agree with or believe and what i usually find out is once i find out where they're coming from i start to understand what their message is about and the problem is is that dude society as a whole is so fucking arrogant. Like, you look at people who have cars and, like, I get called fucking all that shit.

Cocky, arrogant, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Motherfucker, if you knew where the fuck I came from, you'd understand why I'm the way I'm at. You know what I'm saying? I fucking sweated and bled and fucking grinded to get here. And guess what? I'm fucking proud of it. And that's okay. All right.

But what people don't understand is they want to jump ahead of the line and get to the fucking end and be right about everything. And what they don't get is that, dude, that's not how you get there. You don't get to the fucking end by guessing your way or bullshitting your way through you have to consider the fact that you fucking don't know shit because i don't know shit and i'm doing pretty fucking awesome in life you know a lot about your thing but in every other area you're willing to learn that's what makes you smart i need to learn i need to learn you know i mean but i listen to these other dudes stuff that I don't agree with.

And I'm like, I look into it and I see and I get it. And I'm like, fuck, OK. All right. I kind of see that. But then I and then I have a basis to like evaluate against. All right. Well, his experience, he came from here. This is what he learned.

This is probably why he thinks that when I did this back in there, this this is how this worked. And I start to come to an understanding and I can evaluate if this guy is actually intelligent or not by the way he presents his fucking information that's what people don't understand when you're when you're just spewing shit out just because you have all the people that feel the same as you supporting you doesn't mean that there's far more people that think you're full of fucking shit. You know what I mean? And that's going to keep you from getting where you want to go. So you're getting, I call it feedback mirage.

You're getting a fake feedback based upon the information you're offering in a like-minded group. When in reality, you should be offering the information in an unbiased group and see what the fuck they say. Yeah. By the way, that's my internal struggle when people say, well, this has been peer reviewed. Yeah, but- By who? What happens if all the peers have the same bias? That's the problem.

And I freely admit I don't know everything about the academic study of- That's actually what we're seeing. The quality of evidence. We've seen mass global health recommendations made based on poor quality evidence. Yeah, but that's social pressure. What that is, is that's motherfuckers getting entangled in a certain culture a little bit, and then they feel pressure to conform with that culture's message. And so we end up with a situation where we don't get the real information because people

are afraid to buck the system. Yeah, it is true. So I, you know, I'm on a lot of email lists to physicians and the information that they're getting fed is totally wrong. Oh yeah. And then they're the ones that are disseminating. It is scary. That's scary.

It literally will kill people. Yes. It, as the trajectory of aging you know spending two years at Wash U I was at the bedside of these guys dying yeah hundreds of people none of these people talking about this yeah have been yeah even the physicians that are family medicine that you know you're not at the bedside seeing what this bad information is well and then we're not taking into consideration on not taking it into consideration on top of all this shit that we've just gone over. We're not even considering the fact of the pressure to sell certain things,

a.k.a. pharmaceutical drugs, to people. Right. So we're not like, dude, like people have the misconception of what the medical fucking worlds really is. They think that when they go to the doctor, that that doctor has their best interests in mind. I think that's a reasonable thought. Don't you think people should have that thought? Well, I do it, but I think that the way medicine is, is it's very cookie cutter. So they don't know. I really believe that the physician doesn't necessarily know. They are not taught to think. They're taught to recognize patterns, which does make a good physician.

But they're not taught to think outside the box. But we have really been brainwashed because, I mean, this is anecdotal, but I know this is true across the board in America. Whether it's my wife serving in metropolitan St. Louis or small rural Manhattan, Kansas, nine times out of ten, somebody comes in, she's trying to diagnose them, and they're like, just give me a pill. Just give me a pill. And they get mad at her if she starts asking them questions about lifestyle. Vaughn. They get mad. That's the indoctrinated culture of this whole thing.

Dude, did you know that fucking, in most countries, pharmaceutical companies cannot advertise directly to the consumer. Did you know that? Why the fuck should a pharmaceutical company be able to advertise to fucking you? That's a good question. You don't know shit. So why should they advertise to you? That should tell everybody in the world right now what the fucking agenda is. The agenda is, guess what? To sell shit. Yeah. And so we have a big problem with the whole system because we have this, we as Americans, okay, and I know there's international listeners, but we're Americans, so I'm going to fucking use that frame of reference. We as Americans, I believe, have a reasonable right to think that when we go to the doctor that that woman or man knows what the fuck they're talking about and they don't and so what they do

is they get educated by the pharmaceutical companies about these things then the pharmaceutical companies runs ads to the consumer so they're hitting it from two fronts they're teaching the coach and the player what fucking equipment they should use that's not okay dude and we have a government that's corrupt because they take all these fucking bribes and junkets and all this shit from the pharmaceutical industry because no one else has the money to fucking fund the shit. When you have a pill, see, this is another thing. I'm in the supplement business.

People don't understand this. The pill that we make costs the same as that $900 fucking pill that they are selling you. I'm not saying it's the same shit because it's not. What I'm telling you is the raw ingredients cost the fucking same. Right. So how the fuck could you not have money to pay off everybody you want when you're charging $900 for a single fucking serving of a basically what is a different kind of supplement that's what we're talking about and on top of that when we have a scenario where shit doesn't work or shit isn't perfect or shit isn't like super healthy they're still selling

it because the margin's there it's fucked up dude it's crazy and people people so people who blindly think that when they go to their doctor they're getting served the right way dude you better do your fucking homework yes just it's scary yes do your homework yeah so before we shift gears transition to a little different direction i want to hold your feet to the fire just for a second in very simple simple layman terms, the average American does love animals, right? So what if somebody said, listen, doc, all other things being equal,

I'd rather Bambi not have to die so that I can eat venison, right? You would probably not be my patient. Well, but playing devil's advocate, why can't I eat the Impossible Burger? Why can't I eat plant-based protein? Why can't I just pop some edamame or whatever? I mean, you can. Is this an ethical question?

You can, you know? But I mean, in terms of is meat, animal protein, like why? Tell me why it's so much better and why i can't just subsist on a on a plant-based so you can but you're going to need to supplement okay animal protein feeds the necessary building blocks for animals we're animals oh that makes total sense right so you said make it simple we're not plants yeah no plant feeds plant if you want to do a plant-based diet you can do it but it's going to take a ton of supplementation you're going to have to monitor your calories you're going to have a much lower density food source can be done but the question is do you want to be optimized or do

you just want to subsist on yeah yeah okay so the way i would understand animal-based products are nutrient i'm not a science guy we've been eating it for 2.5 million years at least it's what evolved our brains so i'm not a science guy but the way i would understand what you just said is not only are not only are we are what we eat but we need to eat what we are vaughn in amino acids yeah okay you when you don't get a complete amino acid profile you have to take other amino acids to supplement. And the amino acid profile of a plant and an animal are completely fucking different. And so what those do is those initiate muscle protein synthesis in a different way, which means the plant and the animal are going to have different reactions inside your body. Can you explain just for the science people, because there is a bunch, the difference between the two different kinds of aminos yeah of a plant and an animal because

i know people are going to say well she just said plant feeds plant that's fucking stupid no well dude we're trying to make it so regular people can understand it the when you think about a protein the differentiating factor when you think about its biological value is its amino acid profile. The branched chain amino acids are essential amino acids, which means we don't make it. And we need those at certain doses to trigger what Andy was saying is muscle protein synthesis. And you're like, well, why do I care about that? Because you care about muscle. Muscle is the organ of longevity. It's actually a legitimate organ.

Muscle is not just- It's not like going to the beach. No, it's not. It's so much more advanced than that. It's actually a legitimate organ. Muscle is not just- It's not like going to the beach. No, it's not. It's so much more advanced than that. Your heart's a muscle. And so is muscle. It's actually an endocrine organ that when you secrete it, it secretes things called myokines.

It's pretty cool, right? And that actually is the key. It's the organ of longevity. So plants make the amino acid profile in the correct doses, for example, those branch chains to stimulate muscle protein synthesis. Whereas plants, while they do have the same amino acids, they're in vastly different amounts. So to simplify- You said plants have the amino acids to stimulate muscle protein synthesis you meant meat yes so plants it would require right four cups of quinoa four to six cups of quinoa to get the amino acids enough to

stimulate muscle protein synthesis so you need four to six cups of quinoa to equal one small chicken breast wow that's simply put yeah that the amino acids necessary like those branching amino acids those found in animal sources stimulate muscle muscle does all kinds of things besides making you look cool at the beach right okay it's responsible yeah for literally all kinds of different things yes okay like everything about aging is related to muscle yeah glucose metabolism it helps keep everything it helps keep obesity in check yes it has to do with your your metabolic rate yep like basically fucking everything that keeps you like alive yeah comes from this comes from that right so when we get this advice that you should just eat plants and animal protein is is dangerous and cause

cancer you literally destroy this tissue unless you are eating a certain amount of volume or supplementing you can supplement with you know vegan protein powder that totally works but it's much more difficult to live a life like that and to be optimized let's talk about something productive just for what dietary recommendations would you make to a vegan person listening right now? Because there's a lot of them to help them be more healthy. And let's talk about this like logical adults. Yeah, yeah. They're going to continue to be vegan because they believe in the moral standard of what vegans represent.

What would be some good things for them to do to live that way and be healthy? So they, number one, need to manage their calories. Excess calories, excess carbohydrates. The majority of a vegan diet is almost all carbohydrates. That is devastating for people. Unless you do a kind of keto style vegan, which is a high fat vegan diet with almost no protein. So protein is really the black sheep of the macronutrient family and the most valuable. So these people need to do shakes. That's it. It's the best way to do it. Vegan protein shakes. That's what I recommend for my patients. Or they can add in branched chain amino acids, a scoop to say tofu. And then you need B12, zinc, folate,

selenium, and you need to test. You need to test their blood markers. That's something people just definitely don't do enough of, including me. I know. I was just, I actually, you were on my list. I have a strategy. I know you're giving me the fucking evil eye. Oh, yeah. No, no.

So how many times do you have to ask for my blood work? Oh, no, no, no. I've got an alternative strategy now this time. I had an agenda for what I'm, oh, yes. You're just going to like stab me and take it? No, no. I have an agenda for some testing that I wanted. wanted all right I've been working this is like the running joke for two years or something just trying to so I've come I will never give blood

when she asked I have come up with a different strategy okay um okay so let's go deeper on this issue because you know when Andy and I met we for the first time ever, before we ever got into business, we talked about 30 minutes about how we both loved our dogs. Okay, so we're big animal lovers. Yeah, I get it. The other day, I came across, by accident, came across a video where guys were feeding rabbits, like a boa constrictor. I mean, sorry, feeding rabbits to a boa constrictor. And, you know, you'll see people, they'll take videos of like feeding goldfish to piranhas.

To be honest with you, I struggle with that because I'm like, I don't, I would never take joy in some animal, like I don't, I can't wrap my head around people who take joy in watching animals being fed to other animals I just don't get it even though I do think it is natural it's part of the natural ecosystem so that being said do you think this really comes down to in in people's desire to be compassionate to animals have we lost some rationality in terms of guys animals are important but they are not human beings. Totally.

It's outrageous. Talk about that a little bit. I mean, it's just outrageous because they're missing the boat. Yeah. You mean to tell me you're going to trade your life for a chicken? Right. I mean, it's just a fundamental problem.

It's a harsh reality, right, that people don't like. I mean, look at fucking nature, man. Like, animals kill other animals and they fucking eat them. Right. All right? And people don't like that.

They don't still like it. Like, but because we don't like something doesn't mean it's not true or the way it is. Right. That's the problem. That's the fundamental problem that we have in this. It's not just this particular issue.

It's really all the issues that we have going on. We have the bottom 2% of the fucking internet basically making the rules for their other 98% because they're the loudest and the least educated. And they don't mind bashing the fuck out of people to get them to do what they want. That's wrong. Okay. We have a situation where people are not okay with looking at the facts and accepting reality. In reality, how does nature work?

It's a fucking cycle. It's an ecosystem. Guess who's at the top of that motherfucking chain? We are. Okay? So people don't like that. They don't like that. Right?

We have dogs. I love my dogs. I love my dogs, dude. I love them as much as i love more than i love anybody in this room but i'm still eating some fucking steak tonight right you know i'm saying right because i know it's what it's what the fuck i need to eat right okay to stay to do what i'm doing now i could i can compartmentalize and understand that there is a dichotomy of these things the problem is is that most people don't understand is a dichotomy of these things.

The problem is, is that most people don't understand what a dichotomy is. And there's two sides and a nuance to every single thing. People want to plant their flag on one side of it and act like it's a fucking fact. When in reality, it just isn't. It's just not a fact. And this goes for all kinds of things you know people making up shit about you know fucking politics or veganism or whatever i mean fuck dude me too movement anything like we can make up we can make up fucking plant flags on things that we like but the truth is guys is there's exceptions to everything and we as a culture have a problem understanding that because we don't like to see

like what you're saying where a rabbit gets swallowed up by a snake i mean some people like it right i don't like it either i think it's fucking i don't like it i don't hunt you know i don't kill shit but i just don't get the entertainment value like why would somebody entertain now i totally understand hunters like just because I don't hunt doesn't mean I don't fucking respect hunters. And that's the problem. It's like you're either on my team or you're fucking against me. And that's an attitude that's been going on in America for a number of years now because people have figured out that if they yell and scream and pout and shame people enough

that they'll just go do whatever else. And what they don't understand is those people that you're silencing are not changing. They're continuing to live their life the same way. And you're actually not getting any traction by doing what you're doing. You would get far more success by having real conversations. And this also comes from people not thinking that their logic or their reasoning or their cause is actually valid. They don't think it's valid. Right. Like if they don't think it's valid and you don't think you have enough ammunition to get people to understand, why the fuck are you screaming about it?

Right. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, dude, it's even more than people aren't changing when you yell at them. I say they get more entrenched. But what about just contributing? You're like, screw you. I'm going to double down and get even more entrenched in my position. You know, and the issues are why not contribute?

I look at some of these comments and I look and see what people are doing and I just think, you know, you are not contributing. You are not contributing to make the world a better place. Well, and there's a drastic discre's a drastic uh discrepancy between how people behave in real life and how they behave online i i have a story about that okay i was on a panel recently and it was you know whatever some people in the public eye and one of the guys on the panel he didn't know it had sent me a whole bunch of hate mail had messaged me on instagram saying about how i was killing animals and he was he was new and and he didn't know it had sent me a whole bunch of hate mail, had messaged me on Instagram saying about how I was killing animals.

And he was, he was new and, and he didn't realize that that was you. And then correct. He was like, I would love to come get some blood work. That's hilarious. I would love,

I would, it's so nice to meet you. Yeah. And he had no idea. And I, of course I remembered him cause I was like, who is this asshole? Right.

Yeah. I'm not on my Instagram telling me that I should take down this post immediately because the impossible burger is different than just beef and there's so much more in beef by the way there's not no there's not it's regulated it doesn't it can't have those things in it right how about that it's ridiculous like dude whatever happened why can't we just have conversations? Hey, I don't really agree with your position. I like you, but like, dude, tell me why you believe what you believe. Why can we not do that?

What is so hard about that? I have no idea. Somebody's profiting off of us being angry at each other. That's all I'm saying. Oh, fuck. Somebody's profiting off of us yelling at each other. Lots of motherfuckers profiting. So just kind of getting back to this whole issue of the value and dignity of animals.

So I'll just be free with my bias. So I am coming from a position of faith. I believe God created, I believe God loves animals and created them. I believe that human beings are different from animals because we have souls and we're made in the image of God. But I was talking to somebody, like on a practical level, like completely aside from all the spiritual and everything. On a practical level, I was talking to one of these like really intense, you know, vegan types who was against all cruelty to the animals.

And I was like, well, so I have a question. Like, are all animals as valuable as human beings? Oh, yeah. So like, you know, it's not just that a tiger and a lion is valuable, but like a frog and a cat. That's they're all as valuable as human beings. I think it's a I think it's a respect for life. Yeah. Yes. But what one of the things I relate to because like, no, I get it, too. I fucking hate snakes, dude. Yeah, I hate them. I fucking hate them. I still I still don't run him over. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If I see one in the road and there ain't nobody around us, we live in a ruralish area, I'll stop and I'll fucking scoot it off the road. I do that.

If there's a turtle in the road, I don't run the motherfucker over. I fucking stop and I move him to the side of the road. I love animals. Yeah. I'm the same way. I was talking to this guy and I said, listen though, I want to truly, truly understand your position. And I don't want to misrepresent vegans, but I think this is their position. I said, are you literally saying that animals are worth just as much as human beings?

Yes. I said, so if I accidentally hit a rabbit on the road, that should be prosecuted with the same legal force that, you know, killing a person, you know, vehicular homicide or manslaughter. Yes. Shut the fuck up. Dude, I have talked to a ton of people like that. Like, that is their mentality. And again, if you're vegan, DM me. Tell me you feel otherwise.

But that is the mentality, that they want it part of the legal code. Yeah, well, that's fucking insane. That part of the legal process that well that part of the legal process that this kind of like you can't do this and i am i if somebody attacks or tortures animals i think they need to go to jail absolutely oh yeah okay no animal cruelty go to absolutely you should those people people but i don't think they should be executed oh bullshit i do well i don't but people fucking abuse animals and shit. I think they should be thrown in jail, but I hear you.

Fuck them. But I get what you're saying. But regardless, I often ask people, walk through the practical implications. But again, what qualifies an animal as an animal? Should we not have pesticides or should we not have any sort of pest control? I mean, are cockroaches animals? Do they have the same value as human beings we're going into an era of society if it doesn't fucking change soon where we will not be able to say fucking anything we won't be able to do anything yeah it's it's

like it's like fucking communist russia back in the fucking 70s 80s okay people don't fucking get it they think it's a fucking joke. They think it's cute. They think it's funny. They laugh about it. They say, Andy, why do you get so upset about it? Well, because I fucking know where we're going. And you ain't going to like it. Right.

Okay? We can't even joke with each other anymore. We can't even tell a fucking joke because it might fucking offend people. The best comedian, in my opinion in our era is fucking dave chapelle dave chapelle won't come out and do comedy shows because every motherfucking time he tells a joke you motherfuckers freak the fuck out and act like bitches that's sad dude dave chapelle's the best thing for fucking racism and all these other things because he fucking laughs about it. And if we can't laugh at each other, we can't even fucking connect.

You know what I'm saying? So, dude, people's fucking vaginas and fucking little bitty tiny dicks. So I'll throw that in there to be fucking fair. Are fucking fucking everybody else. Like, I want to go see Dave Chappelle. I want to fucking laugh. I want to be able to tell funny jokes to my friends that are fucking black and have a good time

without us fucking hating each other. I want to fucking do that. But why can't we? Because people get their fucking feelings hurt for no fucking reason. It's not right, dude. This ain't America anymore. It's become something else. And dude, all of you guys that support us and me and all this shit,

this ain't fucking super ultra right wing Trump fucking shit. I'm talking about motherfucking America. I'm talking about everybody. You know what I'm saying? So why can't we just fucking get along? It's not that fucking hard. And the truth of the matter is, is that if you go out in the real world, people do get along. Yep. It's only online where they don't. Like, dude, I don't walk into fucking my gym or these places I go on a daily basis and get people saying to me, hey, Andy, fuck you. It doesn't fucking happen. Like, there's a, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't know. Dude, for me, I just grew up in an era where like, dude, there was always consequences of the shit you said. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, you don't fucking say, and now we have a whole generation of people that don't think that there's consequences for what they say, which causes a whole nother problem.

Yes, you're free to say whatever the fuck you want. This is America, but there are consequences to everything you say, whether you understand the consequences or not. That's something people have a really hard time with. If I don't agree with what you're saying, now there's a problem. Now we have a personal problem. Can we not like, can I not just say, Hey Vaughn, I don't really know why the fuck you'd want to live in Kansas, bro. Can we just say that? Isn't that okay? I'm not offended by that. And you can say to me, Hey bro, you know what? I don't know why the fuck you like what you like. Right. But does that mean we can't be fucking friends? No.

We're still great friends. Absolutely. And we disagree on all kinds of shit. Okay. But people don't have the capacity to do this anymore because their pride and their narcissistic behavior has now attached them to an outcome that they've decided is right. When in fact, the information that's out there says it isn't right. And their egos and their pride and their image of themselves is so fucking fragile that they aren't willing to say, hey, maybe, maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way.

And I'm going to tell you right now, if a lot of you guys are in entrepreneurship listening to this shit, you will never be successful financially if that's your attitude towards everything or anything. 100%. You'll fucking lose. I like that you brought up this issue because it relates to the other topic that I was going to raise,

which is that, and I texted you about this the other day, dude, and there's a new survey out and there's been several surveys that bear out this same result. And I read about this in NPR magazine, but basically there's an epidemic sweeping the United States.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, dude. NPR magazine. I meant NPR. Something online. Wait, wait, wait. NPR is National Public Radio, right? I'm very aware of what the fuck it is

so hello you're listening to NPR this is what you listen to bro no dude this is what I saw online because this explains a lot no no

this is what I saw online like do you dance to that shit oh man NPR I mean is this where you learn all your skills no but NPR is kind of it's kind of good

you know sometimes I struggle With going to sleep So you listen to those guys Yeah Hello you're listening to All Things Considered With NPR radio I have a

I have So like AM radio Type vibe Yeah yeah yeah I cannot listen to that shit Yeah Like that shit makes my head hurt Like it makes me feel sick

I think one time When I was a kid I got car sick in the car because my dad used to listen to that shit. And I think it like conditioned me. So now when I hear that talk, I automatically get this nauseating. I'm being serious, dude. I'm not being a smart ass. I get a nauseating feeling when I hear people talk like that. Like it makes me talk like what? Like what you were just talking about.

Like what I just did? Oh man, that's a bummer because I was going to go off on a tangent because for most of my life, I have actually not really liked my voice. But lately, I've been getting this feedback. No, you have a great voice, bro. Thanks, man. That's what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no. No, I know that's not what you're saying,

but lately I've been given this feedback that people actually like my voice. So I was actually going to ask you if I could do a long monologue and say, Lord have mercy, two hours of commercial-free Andy Frisella. Dude, you know where our podcast would be if we fucking did that? It would be in the trash. Yeah, it would be. But anyway, what I was going to say is, so there's this epidemic sweeping the country.

This actually kind of boggles my mind, all right? I mean, I understand why it's true, but it still boggles my mind. The research concludes that three out of five Americans... Now, Dr. Gabrielle, you're very smart. I don't know what the percentage is, but three out of five, that's a lot. Three out of five Americans actually admits to being very... 60%. 60%.

Okay, that's a lot. Let me tell you how to figure that out. That's a lot. Let me tell you how to figure that out. That's a lot. Okay, tell me how to figure that out. So you take the five and you multiply it by two. Okay. That's 10, right?

You're smart, dude. And what's three times two? Three times two is six. Okay. Okay. Get it? Oh, okay. 60%.

That makes sense. I'll be honest with you. I waited four years for my college to offer a math class that I thought I could pass. Listen, bro. It's okay, because I am no fucking mathematician.

All I want is to count my Benjamins. That's right. That's all I have. I don't want to add to the trap, motherfucker. That's right. I'm actually shocked I knew that. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, three out of five Americans admit to being pretty significantly lonely.

So the two demographics within the American people that are most affected by the loneliness, the first one won't surprise you. It's geriatric. It's older people. Obviously, you get older, a lot of your friends die. America has this sort of bad habit of sending off the people who helped build this country into nursing homes and then neglecting them. That's a bad thing, but that's a topic for another day but the other the other demographic was like the millennials and generation z and all these so my question is how much of this loneliness epidemic is connected to what we've already been talking about for the last couple i mean what do you think is that a stretch because you you were talking about like people wanting to be right you were talking about how we're not even allowed to say anything anymore i think people spend way too much time bro on the fucking internet yeah in general and like when you do especially because like you dude people are building companies and creating jobs and doing all these wonderful things with the technology that we have but man that also requires us to spend you know a lot of people three four fucking sometimes eight hours a day online and uh you know when you do that you're limiting human

interaction dude i could tell you for sure like because i struggle with depression you guys all know that i talk about it openly because i i don't want people to think they're alone um but i could tell you for sure like one of the things that triggers me to get in to go down the dark path is to spend too much time um well not enough time with real people yeah it's not i don't think it's too much time do i think there's a way to balance it like when i spend a lot of time online which i do and i also balance it with like human interactions and jokes and hanging out with my buddies not i'm not saying i'm not going to the bar i'm saying like even just here like sitting down having a conversation where we sit around and bullshit or whatever,

you know, where we'll fuck around. Like that makes me feel better. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm like, Oh fuck. Okay.

Like actually, cause dude, we have this thing as humans where we assume we automatically assume the worst, you know? And so building a brand online is, is very difficult. Okay.

So when you first start out and you start putting out all these things that are important to you and no one cares, it's a very fucking harsh reality for people. They're like, fuck. You know what I'm saying?

I got like four people that give a shit. Like that sucks. But that's not true though because those people may not have seen your post. Those people might be doing other things.

Maybe they're not even on the internet right now. And so we created this reality that isn't real. It's a false reality. Is there real aspects of it? Fuck yeah, there is. Absolutely. There's real opportunity. There's real connections made for sure. But people are putting so much attention and an attachment to the likes and the shares and the comments and it's driving people literally fucking insane and the truth is is like dude no one gives a fuck how many likes or comments you get in real life like i don't walk into fucking work and say hey hey motherfucker do you know that fucking a million five motherfuckers follow me you know what i'm saying like how's your how's your day-to-day oh dude i got 700 likes on my recent post but that but that's that's real shit that happens though in the younger generation i know it's that's the shit they're talking about

i admit i can't wrap my head around dude no but look man it's it's it's i'm not talking shit it's a problem because because it's all they've ever known yes yeah and so dude we have this problem where these younger people um or people who are just new to the internet they get a false sense of loneliness because dude it's a comparison game correct it's all it is a comparison and we're designed for real human interaction you know the eyes when you connect with each other or a baby that's a nervous system yeah the eyes are part of your nervous system. Well, that's why when you look someone literally like, dude, next time you're talking to someone, take a fucking fraction of a second and look at them in the fucking eye.

Yep. Not their middle of their nose. Not their eyelid. Not their mmm. Yeah. Not their boobies. What are you referring to? Yeah.

None of that shit. Their fucking eye. And like look at their eye and look into it and it's very uncomfortable when you start to do that because it's it's it's hard because you're not used to it but dude i'm telling you if you just look people in the fucking eye your life will change yeah it will change because you're going to make better friends and you're i'm going to tell you another thing if're lonely, like as a dude or a chick that's lonely, meaning you're not getting fucking laid,

you can fix it pretty easy by looking motherfuckers in the eye. Okay? That's the truth. That is true. If you're trying to flirt with a person of the opposite sex or the same sex, whatever you're into, and you look at their fucking eyeball, like right into it, like you're looking into their fucking soul, people like that shit.

Yeah. It makes you feel connected. that's not just like common sense the reality is is that there's all been all sorts of psychological studies where they literally took two they described them as average attractiveness strangers total strangers and the and the researchers would put two people in room and usually it wasn't like same-sex couples. It was like opposite sex. And they said, stare at each other, like gaze at each other for two to five minutes. And they did that. We're talking like total strangers. And up to 89% of the people that did that not only registered a deep feeling of connection with the person, but even registered romantic feelings just by looking at people.

That's why Dracula looked at women in the eye, you know, that he like looked at him really close. And then he... Man, he started looking like Dracula there for a second. That's why Dracula looked at women in the eye. He looked at them really close. Man, you started looking like Dracula there for a second. That's some weird shit. What the fuck is that? No, you're right. I think the internet has really, really hurt interpersonal connection. What do you think? I totally agree.

We're humans. We're meant for human connection, not meant for cyborg connection. Right. Right. Plus, this is kind of going back to- I don't know, man. You see some of these fucking sex dolls they're making now? They fucking look real, dude.

Like, real, real. Like, dude, there's this thing now. No, I'm being serious. There's this thing now where these companies are going out and trying to find these internet influencers to make real life sex dolls of them for them them to sell that's that's happening right now i have not seen that i just think that's crazy yeah dude the first i saw an ad pop up for one or some shit dude i thought it was a real person yeah like for real i bought three of them i did i did i did read an article and it's me this is sad like this is just i don't know i read an article. To me, this is sad. This is just, I don't know.

I read an article that men are less interested in relationships with women these days because they're just jacking off to porn. Literally, that's all they're doing. They're like, I don't need to have a relationship. I don't need to get married. I don't need to date anybody because I can just stay home and play. Well, fuck, man. That's crazy to me.

That's crazy. It's weird. Well, fuck, man. Like, that's crazy to me. Dude, it... That's crazy. It's weird. Like, look, dude, it's weird. Like, dude, the social media is going to become that. I know. That's what it's going to become. Like, dude, it's already becoming it. We see it happening.

We have these, like, off-site websites now where all these people are doing all this shit you can go pay to watch it yeah dude it's fucking like look man i'm all for do whatever the fuck makes you happy like whatever you're into fucking unless it's like little kids be into it all right that's whatever but nobody you don't have to like show that shit for people to approve of you like and that's what we fall into right like it's like dude we see this with a with with the with the internet culture like it's it's gone from like i show like the side of my ass cheek you know i'm saying to like now it's like people are bent over with a thong with a fucking ass right in your face and you can

like see the their butthole where the thong cuts it fucking ass right in your face. And you can like see the, their butthole where the thong cuts it in half, you know, which is where the term turd cutter comes from. Just so you know, I've never heard that term turd cutter. No. Oh yeah.

That's what that's. I, I, I just learned something. That's an old school fucking Midwestern term for thong underwear, turd cutters. That is anyway. Um,

yeah, so we called it. So, um um you think that's funny dj have you heard of that i got i got one of our security guys one of my security guys my personal security sitting here and he's just having a good old time laughing at us that's great so i mean while we're even talking about the dynamics of uh of men and women i'll kind of raise the issue that i was going to actually raise at the beginning but but the way this unfolded was a little different from what I planned. But basically, another, you know, I'm Mr. Survey today, but there's also a survey out now that says that one of the reasons that people are not getting married as much is that women

are complaining that there is a lack of good options among men. There's a lack of exceptional or desirable men to get married to. Yeah, because they're all full of shit. That goes back to what the fuck I was talking about. Like, dude, how are you going to fucking want to marry someone that's literally made up this fake-ass life? Is that, I mean, would you guys say, is that just a woman problem? No. That there's lack of exceptional men?

Exceptional humans. I agree. It's not, you know, there is something to be said for having integrity and being a good human and caring and wanting to become a better person. Yeah. The good news is, is that it's never been easier to meet someone because- That is true. To stand out because if you actually reflect things that are desirable it's going to stand out because

most people just aren't reflecting those things so it's a good opportunity i mean you're going to distinguish yourself absolutely by just being a normal human being yeah like you know how many girls i talk to like that say dude i just want a normal dude like i just want a normal motherfucking dude like i don't i don't need a dude wearing fucking super cool suits and you know pretending he's in the cool kids club and all this shit like they don't want that shit they're just like i just want a normal fucking dude a guy that goes to the fucking job takes care of himself he's a good dude this but that's not that's not what's happening right it's not cool to be that right now you know everybody's got to be somebody yeah you got to be a social media influencer.

Yeah, dude. Why can't we just be like, yeah, that guy's a good dude. Yeah. But I would say, I would, I mean, dude, look, this is, I love women. This is not an attack on women. But if I were a single man, like, dude, I could tell you this. I look at Emily and I look at all the shit that's out there and I'm like, fuck, dude. I picked good. You know? I feel the same way's out there and I'm like fuck dude I picked good

you know I feel the same way about my wife I mean women are crazy a lot of women not all women but they're crazy but I'm just saying like dude it's a it's a relative it's a relative standard like there's I think there's a lot of I think women if that's the poll on women I think if you polled men they would say the same shit about women. I think they would. Because, dude, no man. Look, dude, there's a difference between a girl that you want to fuck and a girl you want to marry. It's the same for girls.

Girls look at guys and they say, this guy's hot. I'd probably have sex with him, but I wouldn't marry him. We all look at people like that. So I would say what you said is correct it's human beings they're they're putting out things that aren't desirable so what would you say is the the number one quality that's lacking in the average person today that might have been more prevalent in previous generations confidence confidence i'd say honesty honesty i mean real confidence like i'm not Might have been more prevalent in previous generations. Confidence. Confidence? I'd say honesty. Honesty?

I mean real confidence. Like I'm not talking about fake bravado internet bullshit. Swag. I'm talking about. Social media swag. I'm talking about someone who's actually sure of themselves. Yeah. Because the insecurity of the internet creates so much insecurity with people that it's like,

dude, I think most people right now are walking around feeling like frauds completely. They just feel like a fucking fraud because they know that they're pretending to be some shit online that they're not. And it fucking destroys who they are on the inside. And then when they go to be in a relationship, they're fucking paranoid. They're jealous. They're they're getting upset about certain things.

You know, they're projecting things. These dudes who go out and they fucking like every hot chick's picture. And then they get a girlfriend. And they're in the DMs of all the girls and shit like that. And then they get a girlfriend. And they assume that she's doing the same thing because that's what they did. And then all of a sudden they've got this tension. I know you're fucking doing this with so-and-so and this and that and this.

Dude, it's like what came first the chicken or the egg and so you have this revolving cycle of events that just makes people feel like there's nobody out there when in reality if you just broke away from that same cycle for a minute like hey how about this how about just take three or four months and say i'm not fucking dating anybody and like i'm gonna take a break from the internet and see what the fuck is what what you're really doing you'll get some distance between you and that repetitive cycle yeah and it'll start to become obvious obvious to you what's going on less distraction would you say that confidence is rooted in a clear conscience and a clear conscience is rooted in having character like just being a good person and doing the right thing and that's that's how you can feel good about yourself and have confidence. I think that you could start there.

Yeah. I think that the confidence is something that you need to build upon. Yeah. But I think that will give you a base level of, dude, I can feel good about the way I live. Yeah. So what attracted you to your husband? I mean, he's a seal. So when I met him, I was never dating this guy, you know, because they just have this really bad reputation. I mean, he's an incredible human being. He's really humble. Extraordinarily capable, but incredibly humble. He's a lot like you, I think, in terms of, like, he's a very good listener.

That's one of the things I love about Shane. It's like when you talk to him, he's actually listening to you. He's not just waiting to talk when you're done. No, dude. You'll meet him. He's very. In fact, Vaughn, he waits. It's really weird, dude.

And this is what I meant a minute ago about just being a normal human, making you stand out. I can remember the first time I met Shane and I meet fucking thousands of people. And I remember the exact conversation I had with him. And it was at PBR downtown when we had an event here for First Form. We didn't cover that. She consults and is one of our scientific advisors for First Form as well. But it's almost bizarre how well he listens. Because when you finish talking, the time between when you finish

and he starts is abnormally long. Yeah. So you're like, like when I first met him, I'm like, this fucking dude's weird. But what reality is,

he's actually living like a fucking human. Yeah. He's taking information. He's processing a thought and he wants to think about it before he says it back to you. That's exactly right.

Yeah. And I love that about him. Yeah. It's one of my favorite things about him because dude it's so rare it's so rare that's crazy that's awesome does he do that with everybody he does he really cares about people yeah well that makes sense that you guys are together then he really yeah it matters to him i mean you have to understand this is a guy who went to war to protect people yep And he truly is that sheepdog. He feels he's... An obligation to protect. He does.

And he's very gracious to everybody. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, I truly have never seen anything like it. He's calm and collected and gracious. Well, when you go out and see some fucked up shit, you realize that there's not a lot of shit that we get to see to get you too riled up.

Yeah. He's very calm, very respectful. That's something you can see about all the foot stompers and fucking ralliers and all this shit you know you know they've never seen anything real because if they did they wouldn't be so upset about this right you know right so but i mean dude he's a stud yeah period yeah but dude if more people were like that i think we'd have a better america we would like hey let me hear what the fuck you better America. We would like, Hey, let me hear what the fuck you think. And then let me think about it and let me think what I think instead of me. And

dude, you know what I think this came from? Honestly, like this whole problem, I've been thinking about this for a long time. If you think about how communication has evolved, you know, a hundred years ago, dude, not a hundred a hundred but 130 years ago you had to have a face-to-face conversation with someone or you had to write them a handwritten letter that was just how the fuck it went all right well maybe you could type it i don't know when the typewriter came about but anyway i think that came about way hundreds of years ago yeah but i have no idea did it i don't know i don't know either anyway Anyway. Yeah, like at least a hundred. But that's going to fact check it. Yeah. But anyway, it's written or fucking voice in your face pretty much, right?

Then the telephone comes along, right? Mm-hmm. Then the telephone is the way of communication with letter writing. And what was it? 1867. Okay. Wow. Cool.

Thanks, brother. Yeah. So that's still recent technology. And that's not even when it came into popular use. Okay. Well, that's recent technology. Yeah. Okay.

So now we moved into a scenario where, you know, we went from human interaction to a little bit of technology, right? A phone call, a letter, right? A typewriter. Then we moved into newer forms of communication, the fax machine. That didn't come around until like the fucking late 70s, early 80s. So, dude, we went this long ass time as humans with really no other communication besides real fucking interactions. Then a little bit longer came along. We got the cell phone, right? Now we could take calls anywhere we were in the world. That's a great thing.

Totally cool. Then cell phones went to text messaging. Now we're writing short little versions of the things that we want to do. Okay. Then after text messaging came along, then email comes along. So now we don't have to wait for the letters anymore. It's instant. Okay.

Then social media comes along and we can actually communicate with each other instantly by saying, Hey, this is what we feel. And other people come in and comment on it. Right. And this is where we fucked up this right here. What I'm about to say is where we fucked up when it, when fucking Facebook, cause Facebook is a fucking social influencer of culture, though, just the nature of it. It's so widely adopted that what it does changes the culture of how people communicate. When they took people's comments

and put a fucking like underneath it, they fucked everybody up. And here's why. Because now we don't have to express our viewpoints. We can just say things and get people to like it. So instead of communicating, this was 10, 12 years ago, by the way,

instead of saying things that we actually believe and communicating like people, we had started to adopt an idea that we would just vent thoughts and people would like them. And so instead of us putting out information that we would just vent thoughts and people would like them. And so instead of us putting out information that we thought was valuable, we're now putting out information or making comments just to get the fucking reward.

It's no different than a, than a dog getting a fucking biscuit. Okay. Then we even took it further than that. And we went into a scenario where if the fucking heart button in your DMs, you don't even have to fucking reply to people anymore. You could just fucking heart it or send them an emoji. If you think about how this broke down human interaction and connection over the last 130 years,

it kind of makes sense why things are the way they are because now we have a scenario where instead of people contributing valuable information in society we have a scenario where people are just saying shit to get people to fucking agree with it and champion their comment doesn't mean it has to be true right because the likes are more important than the truth to a whole fucking generation of people. So why would they try to have real conversation when their entire image is tied to the amount of attention they get for what the fuck they say? Dude, I mean, it's brilliant. No, you're right. Mic drop.

I don't know what else to say. Well, I'm just saying. Dude, we look around and we're like, why is it this way? Well, fuck, that's why. Yeah.

Cause now instead of us saying, Hey man, Vaughn, that's a really cool opinion. Here's what I think. What do you think about that? And us having a conversation, it's just a mob mentality.

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like like like like on the comment and then and then because the more fucking abrasive and negative the fucking comment the more more attention it gets yeah so everybody now is is like conditioned to polarize i say the sky is blue this motherfucker is going to say you're a dumb fuck just so he can get attention from people. Now we have people who say ignorant shit on my posts every day, and then when I comment back, you know what they say? Hey, I was just trying to get your attention. That's where we're at. Because they take that as the equivalent of,

you know how they say there's no such thing as bad press? They would say people coming and attacking them, hey, at least they're getting attention. The issue of people is that, dude, we lack real communication skills because of the technology that we use to communicate. Dude, we're fucked. It's kind of irony. These platforms that are meant to bring us together, and obviously they do on some level. But there's a real dark side to them. Yeah.

It's a real dark side. Look, man. I mean, dude, it's sad. It's sad. Yeah. So this goes into the topic that we're talking about, loneliness. Okay? How the fuck do you meet someone or connect with them if you don't know how to communicate?

Right. Like, you got to remember, we're a little bit older than most of these people. All three of us. Okay? These people who are 20 and 25, 18 to 24, where the fuck are they going to learn how to talk to people and connect with them? Like, dude, when I was 22, if you wanted to meet a girl, okay, because I was into girls, I'm just making that fucking clear. Like, we're in such a society now where it's not even cool to be into fucking the opposite sex anymore.

You have to do something weird to even be accepted. I'm not saying weird, but I'm saying a standard relationship, man-woman, isn't even like... You're somehow boring if you're normal. Yeah, it's even boring. It's like you're biased. Like, if I want to fuck a woman, then I hate gay people. Like, that's the logic that's being used now.

Dude, look, I got tons of gay friends. They're cool as fuck, male and female. And they're all cool. Like, coolest, coolest, coolest motherfuckers you ever know. But there's a segment of their culture that is offended by a commercial that shows a man and a woman. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Like, dude. Or like the people that got upset about the Peloton commercial. No, because, dude, the problem that we run into is that instead of just live and let live, it's not that anymore. It's fucking accept my way as the way. And if you don't, you hate. You're a fucking bigot. You're a hater and a bigot. No, you're a fucking bigot.

You're a racist. You're a misogynist. You're all the shit they say about Trump. That's the truth. So if you don't fucking push the agenda of whatever it is, and I mean not just say, hey hey it's cool if you're gay we could still be fucking friends i support your decisions if you say that shit and somehow you know you're you're like a bigot if you fucking say how much you love fucking women you know i'm

saying like i'm exaggerating okay don't fucking come at me, bro, all right, with that shit. But I'm making a point. You know, maybe this is the wrong example, okay? It could be. But my point is, that's the mentality amongst these causes. If we don't adopt them as our life, we're somehow a fucking bigot. Well, who the fuck is the bigot now? Exactly.

Exactly. If you disagree with me, you hate me. Well, how arrogant are you? Well who the fuck is the bigot now Exactly Exactly If you disagree with me You hate me Well How arrogant are you And I hate you Yeah and I hate you Yeah

No dude You're holding me back You're oppressing me Motherfucker You don't know nothing about oppression That's the truth You go to every other motherfucking country In the Middle East

And fuck all these places all over the world And you fucking say one thing They don't like to cut your fucking head off, right? People in this country, they're fucking weak, dude. They're weak. They don't have a fucking sense of reality. They don't understand how grateful I was talking to one of my friends, a black female, by the way, fucking right before I came in here, she's traveling the fucking world all over the place. And I, she goes, I learned a lot by doing this and I'm like what was the biggest thing you learned and it was you know I just realized how grateful people are in other places in the world to even have the ability to to work and to even have the opportunity to do work they're so happy they're so appreciative

they're so grateful to even have the ability to fucking work We don't have that here anymore. No, it's sad man. It is it's sad everybody here. You got to be a fucking entrepreneur You got to be a millionaire. It's not even a millionaire anymore now It's I fucking sold seven billion dollars here. I did this here I did that like everybody like I own fucking six companies. Like dude, I almost feel guilty for fucking starting the shit because I actually do own a lot of companies and people feel like,

oh well, I want to be a successful entrepreneur too so I got to fucking sell. No you don't. Like you don't. And can I say something? Yeah. You started by being a good person.

I don't fucking, I try to be. You are. Dude look. I think that you think a lot person. I don't fucking, I try to be. You are. Dude, look. I think that you think a lot about the welfare of other people, the people that are in your business. I mean, it's just something that struck me that I noticed. Yeah.

Very true. I mean, he cares about the people. Well, why wouldn't I? But you do. Yeah, but why wouldn't I? That's why I don't understand. But there are bosses who don't. I mean, my dad had a boss for five years

who couldn't care less about him. Well, that's pretty fucking stupid from a business standpoint because- Well, that's why he lost him as an employee. What I'm saying is- My dad found a better deal. You got to be smart enough as a business owner to understand that the people

that are helping your business have to be taken care of. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Like, are you that fucking stupid? People are very self-absorbed. Yeah, but like... They don't realize

that it's in their own best interest to care about people. That's terrible business. It is terrible business. Like, it's terrible business to not care about the people that fucking work for you. You're right.

It is. What? How? But people are still in that sort of pre-social media, pre-modern mentality where it was true years ago that you probably could screw screw people over and and still somehow make a good

living you know and and make it that's what we see on fucking internet right now we see a lot of people who are just trying to screw people over yeah and they don't understand that they're burying their name yeah they're burying it i don't know how hard this is to understand because like if you're a shitty person the internet's going to accelerate it yeah people are going to know so like it's good it's a good idea to be a good person yeah it's practical it is makes good sense you know what sometimes you're gonna fuck it up guess what you do when you fuck it up you apologize yeah you apologize and you fix the issue and you make it right yeah well dr lion yes sir uh we're big on nicknames here so maybe i should start calling you the lioness

as long as i like swear word no it's not a swear word but uh so where can people find you connect with you yeah all that good stuff well they can connect with me on Instagram. I'm most active there. Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. L Y O N. L Y O N. Yep. And then is Gabrielle G A B R I E L L E. Yep. Okay.

And then you're active on Instagram. Do you have a Twitter? I do. Okay. Twitter and Facebook. Facebook. Okay. And a website.

Website. Just your name. Is it Dr. Gabrielle Lyon or is it just Gabrielle Lyon? D R Gabrielle Lyon. And a website, just your name. Is it Dr. Gabrielle Lyon or is it just Gabrielle Lyon? It is, D-R, Gabrielle Lyon. Okay, well, before I ask for Andy's final comments and final word. No, like, dude, I would like to hear more about what you think about this loneliness shit. Because, like, you've been kind of sitting there absorbing.

Yeah. So I want to give you an opportunity to, like, what do you think it is? I think that people have lost the respect and ability to communicate with other people. Because when you don't respect people and have a dynamic, you become lonely. It's this self-fulfilling prophecy. You're comparing yourself. You're doing things that are not relevant or engaging or developing true human connection. Because that's what it's all about, is true human connection. We were designed for that. Yeah, for sure.

So the loneliness is what perpetuates. It's self-fulfilling. And we have no way to regulate behaviors. It's dangerous. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. I mean, dude, I think of, I know some,

we have some mutual friends that have very passionate ways of delivering what it is that they love. Yeah. Okay. And I've talked to some of these guys and they struggle a lot. Because like dude even on the back side they struggle mentally with

like feeling depressed. Yes. Because they feel like they're fighting a battle and that they have to like, dude, we've gotten to the point in society where like when you tell the truth, yes, you're automatically a bad person. Yes. You know, like you, you're hating. Yep. And so I've talked to some of these people who are, you know, they're, they're, they're committed to telling the truth. Yes. But then they struggle mentally on the backside because they

feel like a dick all the time. Yep. So I fucking get that a lot. Like I feel an obligation because I relate to that. I feel an obligation to tell the truth. And then when I tell the truth and I deliver it because I'm a passionate person and I just tell the truth, I'm like, fuck, you're a dick in my head. I'm like, you're fucking being an asshole. But I'm not being an asshole because I'm actually helping people by helping them see the truth. So let's talk about that for a minute because I think that's a real problem. We have a lot of people out there

who are fighting to tell what the truth is, but on the backside, they feel like they're constantly attacking people, which makes them feel bad about themselves. Well, I think that when those people, and I know exactly who you're talking about, it's that it's really stepping up for humankind. He's a great dude. He's a great dude.

I've known him for over a decade. Yeah. Over a decade. Yep. And we talk about this consistently. Yes. Because I struggle with the same thing. Yes.

And I think that it's it's really about protecting the rest of society and that's where it it comes to and you know it is is a fine line because when you say things politely which is what I did for so long I'm like oh well you know I really don't think we should be doing this and the impact it wasn't it wasn't truthful or not truthful it's not the right word it wasn't exposed enough right truthful is not the right word. It wasn't exposed enough. Right. And then you go away feeling like you didn't fulfill your responsibility of what the fuck you know. That's right.

So like that's how I feel. It's a personal responsibility to actually, if you have the knowledge or you have the capacity, you have an obligation to do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the point. It's an obligation to tell the truth. It's an obligation. And it's very isolating. Yeah. And that's the point. It's an obligation to tell the truth. It's an obligation. And it's very isolating.

Yeah. It is. Dude, you know, this is what I say about, and this is the information that I try to tell people, because it's not just one or two guys. This is a lot of people I connect with. They share the same concern. Look, man, being the leader, I have a little meme that we made. It's not easy.

Fuck no, dude. No. It's the tip of the spear. Yep. You're going to be bloody. You're going to be damaged. Yep. You're going to be bloody. You're going to be damaged. You're going to be fucked up. And that spear is going to be,

when you're the tip of the spear, bro, it is fucking lonely. Like that's just reality. You know what I mean? Like it is, it is far easier to stay quiet and just go with the flow than it is to say,

hey, this isn't the way it's supposed to be. Right. Like dude, even just doing this podcast, you don't even, you guys, like the amount of bullshit that I get back from even doing it makes me say, and Vaughn, you know this, and sometimes I say, you know what, fuck this shit.

Because I don't need to do it. Because the truth is, I'm fucking rich. My companies are kicking ass. People get mad to even say that, but it's a matter of fact. Yeah. And my companies are going to keep kicking ass because my people believe in the cause

and we fucking work together in real life. But my point is, I feel this obligation too and then when I don't do it, I feel bad. Right. But then when I do it, I feel bad too.

But that's what part of being a good leader is you still do it. Yeah. And you keep doing it. You just literally described the way the prophets in the Old Testament described their experience. Like when God gave them something to say, they're like burn inside. It hurt for them to say it, but they had to say it. Yeah. Like that's literally the way that it's described.

Really? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, dude, it's true. I they had to say it. Yeah. Like that's literally the way that it's described. Really? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, dude, it's true. I mean, it is true. Yeah. Dude, if I were you guys, you guys who are listening and you follow people that tell the truth, that work hard to tell you the truth, appreciate those people.

Because those people, they're usually fighting some really bad shit on the backside. Totally. With themselves about their obligation to serve this truth. And they feel lonely because of it. Cause it's alienating. Yeah. So if you guys believe in, like you listen to people and you believe in what they're saying, fucking let them know, man.

Yes. Because dude, it, I struggle with this. You know, like I, Vaughn knows this cause we talk about it all the time. You and I have talked about it before too. You know, it's not fun to tell people shit they don't want to hear. Right. Like I don't like that. I don't like make, like people think I'm like mean.

I'm not mean. I'm telling you the fucking truth so you can make a decision. Yeah. You know, and people take it as mean. Just because you don't like to hear something doesn't mean it's mean. Right. In fact, I would argue that when people tell you the shit you don't like to hear something doesn't mean it's mean right in fact i would argue that when people tell you the shit you don't like to hear they're actually being

more loving of you than all the other motherfuckers in your life absolutely so so when you have people that are that you're vibing with and you don't assume that they're just like feeling great about going out leading this charge because dude that shit can be lonely as fuck. Our society would be a whole lot better, a whole lot quicker if everybody after hearing something didn't say, I don't like that. Or if they did say, I don't like that. They immediately followed up it up with, but is it true? Yeah. Yeah. Is it true? Yeah. I want to add another quick layer to this conversation,

which is that, you know, when we talk about loneliness, this is a truth that people don't want to add another quick layer to this conversation, which is that, you know, when we talk about loneliness, this is a truth that people don't want to admit, but I remember literally like my kindergarten teacher telling me this and that it was, if you want to have friends, you got to be friendly, you know? And the reality is, is that there's a lot of people out in our culture who are lonely, who are isolated, but the reality is it's because they've kind of withdrawn to themselves. They've kind of isolated themselves. They've celebrated their own pity party. And reality is that maybe they could be less lonely if they got the emphasis off of themselves and they said, okay, I feel alone. I feel disconnected. I feel alienated. Maybe I need

to step out and talk to somebody else. Maybe I need to step out and talk to somebody else. Maybe I need to go out and see if there's somebody else who feels the same way and see if they want to have a conversation, if they want to have coffee, if they want to get together for dinner. You know what I'm saying? I mean, sometimes we're lonely because it's a self-imposed isolation. We've just become so self-absorbed with our own world and our own concerns that we don't reach out to other people. We don't put other people first. So I think a real anecdote to loneliness is just like intentionally figuring out how you can serve somebody else and connect with somebody else. Does that make sense?

Absolutely. So what I started saying earlier, so you shared your social media contacts, right? Yes. You know, Instagram, Facebook, and you have Dr. Gabrielle Lyons. Lyon. Yep. earlier so you you you uh shared your um your uh social media contacts right you know instagram facebook and you have a dr gabrielle lions lion no yeah um is uh and i gotta i have a book you have a book what's your book coming out well it's not uh done yet it'll probably be out in another year okay so i'm working on that that's awesome and can you give us like a little bit of a preview about what that's the line the line protocol nice. Optimizing the organ of longevity. And can we start a movement where if people follow you and they're women, they're called lionesses?

Yeah, I'd love it. But you're not a lion lion, right? You're not somebody who lies, right? I'm just enjoying these puns too much. So I had warned you prior to starting this that I was going to ask you to give just a simple closing sort of life hack or health hack. And you said you knew exactly what you were going to do. Most of us have the same 98,000 thoughts every day. Same thoughts.

Majority of those are negative. If you could do one thing and really understand your own narrative and change that you literally will change the trajectory of not only your health but your life dude i just had this conversation with you yesterday i'm pointing to dj uh dj went on my walk with me yesterday for 75 hard and we were talking and one of the things i used to do like dude, dude, for you, for this is just how I'm wired. OK, like I wake up in the morning and I would look at my phone and I would say because there's always like like dozens and dozens of texts. OK, they're ready to go. It's like waking up with a whole line of people waiting to talk to you.

You know what I mean? It's kind of fucking stressful. So I, I used to wake up my first thought for fucking years, four years was fuck. I got what? Fuck. Who's asked. So I get to wipe today.

That's why I started thinking. And it didn't occur to me until recently in the last year and a half year or so that people actually need me that's why they're doing that and so instead of me thinking well who who shit do I gotta fix now I wake up and I say dude another day I get to be a fucking boss yeah like for real that's my narrative when I wake up first thing I think I put my feet on the fucking ground I said dude most people would trade a fucking ton to have one day of being the fucking being the dude I get to go be it every day and I thought and dude you know what that's fucking changed my whole mentality like in terms of my mood like my like dude I still have a I still have the, I still, I'm working on controlling my emotional frustrations, but

just thinking that has made a massive improvement on fucking everything. And I bet, I bet if I would have do my blood work on a regular basis, you would see that in the blood work. Yes. I bet you would. Yep. Yes. Negative thoughts is, it's very inflammatory for the body. It's stressful. It bet you would. Yep. Yes. Negative thoughts is it's very inflammatory for the body.

It's stressful. It releases stress hormones. That's just one thought. Yeah. Out of my whole day. Yeah. Like that one little thought. That you repeated every day for years.

Yeah. But it's not, it's not even true. The truth is I am a fucking boss. Yeah. For real. Like in every sense of the fucking word. So who the fuck wouldn't be excited about that that's how i started thinking about it and when i started thinking about it like that i'm like damn dude this is pretty awesome

yep you know what i'm saying yeah now i actually like you know because dude we all get caught up in our own narrative you know i see it all the time i mean yeah i take care of people on the daily and it's the same narrative it's a different flavor of narrative but it all the time. I mean, I take care of people on the daily and it's the same narrative. It's a different flavor of narrative, but it's the same narrative. Same four things. Everybody. Dude, Dr. Nicole LaPera,

we've had her on the MFCEO project and I'm going to have her on this show as well regularly, just like you. But she really helped me with that. Not directly like saying, hey, fix this shit, but like by asking me questions that helped me come to my own conclusion, just as friends, like texting back and forth.

And I would say, Hey, I'm really struggling with this thought. And she would say, well, do you actually believe that that's the truth? And I'm like, well,

no. And like when you start to like, it's so rational. I know. But when you start to logically unpack why the fuck you think certain things, most of the shit you think is actual bullshit. Totally. That you've been conditioned to fucking believe based upon inputs that you put in that probably just weren't the right inputs. You know what I'm saying?

And I can be. Look, man. I'll attest to what you said. It's life changing. Just one one fucking sentence. Yep. Instead of like, dude, I literally wake up and I've conditioned myself to what you said. It's life changing. Just one fucking sentence. Yep. Instead of, like dude,

I literally wake up and I've conditioned myself to wake up, my feet hit the ground and I'm like, dude, it's gonna be a great day being a fucking boss,

you know, or being a boss. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't really call myself the fucking boss. Right. But like there's a,

being a boss doesn't mean you have to actually be the boss. Right. That everybody knows that everybody can be the MF CEO of their life. That's right, man. So like, dude, I fucking wake up and I think that shit. I go look in the mirror and I'm like, we got some work to do, motherfucker, you know, and then we go do it.

And it's great. But like, man, like now I'm working on identifying all the other bullshit that I've got going on up there in my head that I'm trying to fucking change around. But by identifying it, that's the ultimate. It pulls the curtains back because you can't change what you don't identify. Just like with your blood work. You can't change the data you don't know. Yeah. I tell people that all the time because they'll ask me questions about like entrepreneurship and they'll say, well, dude, how do I, how do I make sure I don't lose it all or like get complacent? And I'm like,

well, dude, the fact that you're aware of this and you're fearful of it is going to keep you from doing that because you're consciously taking things to resist that. It's the people who aren't aware of that, that actually end up that have that happen to them. You know what I mean? And another thing too, this is one of, this is a thought that have that happen to them you know what i mean and another thing too this one this is a thought that was on my mind about entrepreneurs um because like a lot of entrepreneurs really struggle with and i think people not just entrepreneurs because entrepreneur everybody's an entrepreneur and entrepreneur there's only two kinds of people you're fucking one or the other you either own an organization or you work inside of an organization.

So either of these groups, I think a lot of people feel like one day they're going to wake up and it's all going to be gone. So they live in fear. But remember how long it took you to build this shit. It takes the same amount of time to fucking break it the fuck down. I mean, it might be a faster scale. That's the wrong way to say it. It's not the same amount of time. It's, it takes a lot of effort to dis, to, to make something come crashing down. So like, dude, that's, that's a thought that I struggled with for a long time where I thought like, fuck dude, one day there's other, the shoe's going to drop and I'm just going to

be fucking destitute. And that's, that thought has driven me to push, right? But when I logically worked through it, I'm like, that's not really even possible because there's all kinds of solutions to every problem if I'm willing to learn and get better and take accountability for what the fuck went wrong. So the fact of the matter is it's almost literally impossible for it to just, for anybody's life just to come fucking crashing down the way that it comes crashing down is by

you ignoring the little things for so long that they become fucking huge things and so like dude when you start to think about it like that and you think of it in terms of like it's just like losing weight or gaining weight you've lost 100 pounds and you're terrified of being fat again. One fucking pizza is not going to make you fat. That's right. But if you make a habit out of that and you let it go without paying attention, you know what I'm saying? That's where it gets out of control. So I think for a lot of the people out there who are living in that fear, cause I do, that's like a, just like we hear in society about the get rich quick shit. Like we hear the stories,

they're glorified. Like the, the story of the lottery winner or the story of the business owner or the guy who opened a business and now he's a billionaire, uh, in, in two years, shit like that.

Those are the glorified stories. Well, we also hear the glorified stories of the backend too, which is like the guy who had it all and fucking everything came crumbling down. The American Greed stories, you know, the shit. And it terrifies motherfuckers. Like, there's a lot of people out there that are living in complete fucking fear that is completely illogical. Totally.

Completely illogical. There's no reason to live like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I know this because I lived like that for a long time and it fucking sucked it's why my hair is fucking gray for real you know what i'm saying um so for you guys out there struggling with these thoughts realize that it takes time to build shit and it takes time to break shit down and whatever your goal is or whatever life you're leading you know if you're aware of it if you're leading, if you're aware of it,

if you're aware of what you're trying to not get, not focusing on it, not obsessing over it, but just aware, that's almost good enough to keep it in check. Yes. You know? Yes, that's what I tell my patients is to report on their internal dialogue, have that be their new favorite sport.

Because I'm telling you, the list is the same five fucking things. i'm gonna lose it all so catch and release so all the patients that i see right one of the things you know i mean okay with the seals not so much they don't they don't quite need any advice from me yeah in terms of that. I mean, you know, these guys, but you know, for everybody else, literally everybody else, there's a narrative. It's a mental narrative and we all have whatever that is. And we repeat the same 98,000 thoughts. When you really start to identify anyone that has depression, weight issues, whatever it is, they have the same thoughts. Whether it's, I'm never going to be good enough, I'm never going to make enough money, I'm going to get sick, I'm never going to find

the right person, or I'm going to lose it all. Whatever those four thoughts, whatever your four thoughts are, you've got four, Vaughn has four, I have four, it's the same rhetoric over and over and over again. The same lies that we buy all the time. Yes. Same thing. To ourselves though, and then the problem is, this is why I always tell people, you don't have fucking haters, over and over and over again. The same lies that we buy all the time. Yes. Same thing. To ourselves though.

And then the problem is, this is why I always tell people, you don't have fucking haters. You got a voice in your head that fucking hates on you. But if you can identify that, and actually what I did in the beginning is I would just write it down. And then you start to laugh at it.

Just like what you're saying. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah. You would just write it down. Yeah. And then you start seeing the most ridiculous and it's almost comical if you were to say it out loud dude listen to this shit so last night I was

high as fuck all right and I'm laying on my couch and I'm fucking texting uh one of my our accountant okay and I'm like Mike yeah I can't get a hold of them. All right. And I'm like, fuck, like, because I'm fucking, you know, I'm high. So like, I'm not thinking fucking logically. Right. And which I come up with some really good ideas. OK, let's be real. But Adam, what the fuck you laughing at, bro? Drug test Monday, motherfucker.

So anyway, dude, the thing is, is like i'm sitting here thinking and i text my dude it's like eight o'clock at night yesterday was fucking valentine's right all right i had completely forgot it's valentine's day so did shane so oh yeah so i text him and i'm like hey bro i didn't get this report today i don't get a reply back fucking like 30 minutes goes by and i'm like fuck i haven't heard from mike because usually he hits me right back yeah so i fucking text him again i'm like bro is everything okay and in my head i'm like fuck dude what if something happened to him man and like tomorrow i'm gonna find out that fucking oh and i like start building this fuck and then i'm like dude i caught myself and i'm like are you fucking stupid like what the fuck are you saying like but dude that's me that's me

doing that yeah you know what i'm saying like and i'm i feel like i'm a high operating individual yes in fact i know i am because i got medically called that by one of my doctors. Yeah. So it's a real thing. Isn't that a real thing? She's kind of a quack though. High operating individual. I don't know. Yeah.

Just say yes. Yes. Ohio. See, this is fucking science. Motherfuckers. You said yes. It's fucking true.

That's true. Cause you're a doctor. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, this is what, this is the whole problem we're laughing about. But I don't know, man.

Like, we all have that ability to fuck ourselves up mentally. And, you know, it's why everybody's so obsessed with haters, dude. This is why when you make a post about haters, everybody fucking loves it. Because, dude, everybody's like, why do you always talk about haters? I'm like, well, because it's a real thing that we struggle with. It's just not actually other people it's us but it's easier to blame other people than point at ourselves and say we're actually the source of our problem dude look man here's the conversation what is the conversation like let's be real what's the conversation about haters

it's never it's very rarely this person said this or did this to me it's almost always man i said this and i bet there's people out there that took it this way right and i bet those motherfuckers fucking hate me and then you start well there's got to be millions of those people but dude that's an arrogant thought because that is like inflating your own importance falsely like really dude the truth is nobody really gives a fuck no i don't give a fuck about is, nobody really gives a fuck. No. They don't give a fuck about me. They're pretty... They don't give a fuck about... Like, dude...

Too busy living their lives to worry about you. Yeah, that's right, dude. We're busy doing our own shit. No one gives a fuck about... Like, dude, do we care? Yes. Is it everything?

No. So, like, we sit here and make up this, like, God, dude, there's got to be a fucking army of motherfuckers out there. There's probably a club. There's probably a fucking... They probably fucking get together and have fucking parties and shit

talk about how much they hate me you don't say it like yeah dude it's not fucking reality but we all do that shit all of us yep we have that mental fucking thing where we think we and dude so you caught yourself you it was it's this the best sport is catch and release yeah okay so that's what you mean catch and release caught the thought yeah and then you released it you were like oh my god

it's Valentine's Day what am I doing texting my guy that's it that shit right there is the most important thing that was said on the show and that is what

helps everybody yeah that's good stuff catch and release make it your new favorite sport dude that is I think that's the that is if you make it your new favorite sport dude that is I think that's the

that is if you listen to nothing else and you take nothing else from this if you take that

it will improve your life fucking exponentially definitely guys if you want to hear that kind of good truth

on a regular basis you can subscribe to Andy's blog it's called the Andygram you go to andyfrosella.com and hit subscribe

not only that go follow Dr. Gabrielle cause she's sp. Not only that, go follow Dr. Gabrielle because she's spitting this fucking good shit, man. Follow Dr. Gabrielle and before Andy wraps us up, the only other thing I was going to say is I just wanted to share a book recommendation because I want to contribute to this

because I think we would all agree that not only taking control of your mental conversation, but filling your head with good stuff is important to success. I a very unusual uh book recommendation for everybody what's that beer is good stuff beer is good stuff i can't have it because of gluten but that's another that's another topic i'm getting the death stare right now listening right now i'm getting the death stare emoji out of my face it'd be that fucking round one with the fucking straight eyes and a straight mouth. You are so full of shit, bro.

I can't, man. I can't. Besides, it's generally healthy to stay away from beer. You ruined my joke anyway. I know. I was going to say beer goes in your head. It's pretty good shit. Okay.

I got it. That was a bad joke. That was a bad joke. It was only bad because you fucked it up oh by the way if you want us to uh address any particular topic or you have a question uh send it are we still doing the confused af at uh andy frisella.com or you can just dm me and yes i'm going to make a shameless promotion for my instagram at vaughn Kohler. They should follow you. And it's not V-O-N, by the way. Yeah, guys. V-A-U-G-H-N. K-O-H-L-E-R, just like the toilet. They think it's like Vaughn Kohler, like Vaughn Dutch. Yeah. Maybe you can make a hat out of it, dude, and just sell the shit. That's funny. By the way, I have reserved the Vaughn the Impaler

Instagram. I never use it. Is that going to be your new website? It doesn't exist. But we all escalate to being naked on the internet. Is that going to be your new website? It doesn't exist. Will we all escalate to being naked on the internet? Or is that going to be your home base? No, no. I just didn't want anybody taking it. So it's kind of parked, you know? I also bought VaughnTheImpaler.com. But that could become kind of an interesting website.

I have a funny story about a funny website. Yeah, you go ahead. I would like you all to go to www. Why don't you go to this website here, Madat, real quick. Tell me what you find. www.ownpussy.com Oh my.

What comes up, Madat? Is it O-W-N? Oh, that's you. That's Pip. Vaught, put that out of your computer right now. I can't, dude. I got one of those, you know. Oh, that's funny.

That's hilarious. There's a picture of Andy looking like, what's that dude from the 70s? Frank Lucas. Frank Lucas wearing the... You want to see a funny picture of me? White, fur jacket. For our own pussy.com. That's funny.

Like 15 years ago, all right? Fucking, we were having a meeting. Has that been around for 15 years? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's funny. That's an old picture from Marty. That's hilarious. So we had a...

We had a employee meeting and we all got fucking wasted. And we were all talking shit. And one of the guys, Jason Cain, decides to make a website about some of the shit that we were talking and puts this picture. And now it lives on the internet. That's funny. Yeah. And now its SEO score is going to skyrocket because everybody's going to go to it.

You know what, man? I don't fuck with it because I'm willing to take a razzing just like everybody else, but it's been awkward a few times because I've had that DM to me. They're like, bro, look, I found this picture of you. That's funny. Like, oh, really? But in all seriousness, we love feedback on topics to cover, questions to cover. So email or shoot me a DM.

What was your book? What's that? Oh yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So the book is actually a book that's been around for a while, but it's called The Fifties by David Halberstam. And it's a history book, but it's, man, it's written so well. And what most people don't know is like the fifties were an amazing decade for entrepreneurship. Like you're talking Ray Kroc, Kemmons Wilson, who started Holiday Inn. There was a guy that started a whole, like he started mass producing homes

and he established Levittown, Pennsylvania. Like it's a really amazing just reminder that there's been a lot of different people who have contributed to our country and its success. But man, business people and entrepreneurs have contributed to American success in a way that in many ways nobody else has. And so that's covered in this, but it's also covered, it's also a decade where the rise in technology, like, you know, you went from radio to television, there are lessons about media and the strengths of media and the pitfalls of media that are 100% applicable today.

And it's just a really, really well-written book. And there's a lot of life lessons. And so I would recommend either buying it or listening to it on Audible. It's just like the production on audible.com is really good too. But you know, you're 75 hard, Andy's program for creating mental toughness. One of the requirements is reading 10 pages of a book a day. This would be a great book to read. Even though technically it's not self-help, you can pull life lessons from it that are just killer. And I would also add, for those of you who are committed to self-help,

don't just read self-help books. Read widely. Read deeply. History, biography, even science, like Dr. Gabrielle. We have this amazing capacity as humans to learn shit. Yeah. And if you don't use it, you really are failing. You are wasting

your life if you're not cultivating your mind on a day-to-day basis. But Andy, final word. Final thought. What are you reading? I am reading Atomic Habits, which is a great book and then the other book is make your bed oh yeah i try to find so we're actually so this is admiral mcraven yeah and he gave a really great speech i think it was at texas you tech or anyway it was really amazing

and um the seal museum the seal museum for michael Michael Murphy is having an opening. And we're going to go see him. He's going to be there and talk. Oh, that's cool. Is he speaking? He is. Oh, that's cool. I think a lot of most people listening to this show has probably heard that speech.

Yeah. And so Shane and I like to read together. And this was something that's easy and simple because we don't have a lot of time with a new baby. But we always make sure that the house foundation is good. Wait, wait, wait. When you read together, you mean read the same book together? No, at night.

Yeah, together. Or read different books at the same time? No, we read the same book together. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Like read it out loud? Yeah. Yeah, that's what we do.

You read it out loud? Really? Yeah. So this is new to me. So like school me. I mean, I read a lot more than just that, but I mean, I usually pick a book that we read together. I usually make Shane

read it, but we sit and read together. Dude, how do you think I got four kids? Hey, man. We pick a book and Vaughn starts narrating it. And my wife's like, honey, put the book down. You know what, man? That could really do a lot of people some good.

Yeah. Like just to read out loud. Yeah, man. Like it would help a ton with their like ability to speak. People always used to read out loud. That was the only way that people ever, ever read. And also. Reading silently is a relatively new thing in America.

And the connection together. Or in the history of the world. Yeah. Explain that to me. Because reading books used to be so rare that whenever. They want to share them with everybody. And literacy used to be so rare that whenever someone... They want to share them with everybody. And literacy used to be so rare that when you could read a book, you read it out loud. Arguably still is, probably.

So that other people could benefit from it. But in addition, there is some evidence that reading out loud, like if you stand at a podium and you read it out loud, you involve more senses and you're going to retain more of it. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's super interesting.

And it's weird that both of you guys do that to me. Not weird, I think, in a good way. Yeah. I mean, we read it all the time. I didn't realize people actually did that. Like they have like a... Probably not super common. It's the best book that I've ever read out loud with my wife.

Well, it makes sense because both of you people are smart as fuck. Well, she's smarter. So I actually think that's some pretty good wife. Well, it makes sense because both of you people are smart as fuck. Well, she's smarter. So I actually think that's some pretty good advice. I might start doing it. It's good. And it's interesting. It's good for a relationship too.

It is because who wants to come listen to me read some shit? Dude, hey listen, that reminds me of an idea that I had that I'm not going to share on the air but you and I need to talk about.

But the best book I ever read out loud with my wife and it was a killer book was the book Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand. Yes, we have that. Like have you ever read that book? You know my mom wrote a book. Yeah yeah yeah I knew your mom was an author that's awesome. People don't realize that. Yeah but that was she wrote like novels right? Yeah it's her her last book she

wrote is called Hickory Hill. That's awesome. And her name is Shererry hill sherry hill uh pick that one s-h-e-r-r-y i-e i-e okay and so that's awesome is it on amazon yeah that's cool yeah no uh unbroken if anybody's not read that that's the story of louis uh zamparini who was uh who was at sea uh during world war yep two for like two months and then after that spent, I don't know how long, like a year at a Japanese concentration camp. It was, it's insane. It's an insane story. By the way, the book, the movie sucks,

but the book is incredible. And Laura Hillenbrand, right? The way she writes, it's like you're reading a movie. It's so descriptive and awesome. So anyway, go ahead. You were saying. So one of the things that's so interesting

when I read with Shane is the perspective that you both are reading the same thing and you're reading it together at the same time. But what you each hear is different. Yeah. And the perspective is different. So you actually get to know your partner better. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. Good stuff. Dude, it never occurred to me that that was like something people did. Yep. Yeah. And I mean, I don't think it's really common. Like now I'm having this thing. I'm wondering like if everybody does it and I'm just the guy that doesn't.

No, I think it's only exceptional people like me and Dr. Gabrielle. Yeah. I mean, because in my relationship, we think about things that would make us a better team. Yeah. Yeah. And there's just certain things within the domain of the family that we do. But I mean, completely aside from like doing that together, like I'll go downstairs into our basement and literally take a music podium, open a book and read it out loud to myself. I definitely won't do that. Yeah. But dude,

that's a skill that you have to possess. Yeah. You have to possess that skill for what you do. Yeah. Because not only do you do the podcast, but you also speak like to Arte and some of the, like you guys don't really realize, like, by the way, I just want to say this. You should be following Vaughn if you're not. Thanks dude. A lot of you guys don't really realize like by the way i just want to say this you should be following vaughn if you're not thanks a lot of you guys come to me and follow me and like i realize like why because i'm awesome but i mean let's be real that's how else do i fucking say all right but uh dude you guys want some real spiritual like common sense good guidance about being a great person if you're not following Vaughn you're really fucking yourself that's the truth because I put him in front of you know with our Arte syndicate with M.I.L.E.T. we're dealing

with people who are high operating highly successful individuals and I put Vaughn in front of them and they fucking they they all come away with tons of valuable shit so like don't sleep on that. Make sure you're following him and paying attention to what he's doing because it's amazing. Thanks, man. And that goes for Gabrielle too.

You know, nobody will come on the show that's not going to bring you high amounts of value. I promise you that. That's very true. So I just want to plug you, man, because I feel like a lot of people follow me and they don't follow you. Well, to be honest with you,

and I'm literally going to write this, like I struggle a lot with self-criticism. know that well yeah like i struggle a lot with that but what you know going back to the narrative right yeah that's what makes you good at what you do bro right but i mean like i can't tell you how many times i've written a post and destroyed it yeah like instead of posting because it's not good enough right and so my i'm so my desire like starting literally today I was even going to post about this today, was I was literally going to call some friends of mine and say, listen, I have got to start posting more. And because I am writing this stuff and I'm not posting it, I'm not creating it because

I'm buying the lie that it has to be perfect to help people. It's just baloney. Can I just reframe that for you? Absolutely. So when you do that if it's what if it wasn't about you and then you take away what everyone else

could learn from it yeah and that's actually much more valuable like just make it about serving people yeah is that what you mean

yes yeah no I've even had a post about that but I gotta believe my own press because it's not whether yours is perfect

or not but because the message is so valuable well I think we all tell ourselves too like like, dude. Like nobody wants to hear this. Right. We tell ourselves that.

And then the other thing we tell ourselves is, I don't want to post this because it's going to seem like I'm full of myself. Right. And dude, that's a hard thing, I think, for a lot of people. I think a lot of people struggle with that. You're right. And if you look at it like what she just said, now you're in a scenario where you feel obligation to serve.

Yeah. Because you know some shit other people don't. So tell me this, why is it that the people who don't have anything to say and are full of crap are the ones who are out there posting

and people like us actually say, oh, I don't want to make the world a worse place. Most people are not aware enough to even have the conversation with themselves to say,

man, am I posting this shit just to be an egomaniac? They don't give a, they're not even, it's not even a fucking figment of a fucking beginning of the seed of a fucking tiniest little thought in their brain.

It doesn't exist. So the reason there's an information fucking vacuum of tons of dumb ass shit and very little good shit is because of what the fuck you're doing all the other people that are smart and there's a lot of them are doing the same shit they're saying fuck dude you know if i say this it's gonna it's kind of because dude the fuck social media is very selfish yeah it's a very much attention bias technology. If you want to say whatever,

whatever you want to call it, it takes a certain amount of not caring to actually even talk about things that you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, cause a person that's got humility, they're going to feel like you're bragging.

Like, dude, I always feel like I'm bragging when I show my life. Cause dude, I know it's a lot different than most people's life. i feel like i'm bragging so then i don't show it but then guy then people come to me and they're like bro like i'll have these conversations dude like because we've been doing this long enough now where we have people who are literally have built new lives because of certain things that they saw and they'll be like dude i remember

when i saw you get your first lamborghini in 2012 that inspired me now my business is doing 60 million dollars so there's real impact because we've been doing it long enough so then i have to think like fuck i kind of need to be a little bit of a douchebag because there's certain people out there that go out and fucking love it right you know and then you struggle with the internal thought because you like the attention a little bit no dude i i yeah i i what you're saying resonates with me so much like the people who really do have things to say that aren't saying it i've i've often thought that we needed to have some sort of like conference where we teach people how to communicate how to put their message out there because the right people the good people the people that are really truly committed to the right things,

they're the people that need to be the most aggressive about public speaking. It's one of the best things you said at the last RTA Live. You said every single one of you should be out there speaking as often as you can because it's true. It's the loud people. It's the people that are hurting the society that are speaking the most, and it's the people, the good people that need to communicate more. Do you understand what I mean about lack of awareness though?

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not even questioning whether what they're saying or putting out in the world is worth anything. So by default, because of the way that we're built and the way the system is built,

we hear a lot more from people who are just less intelligent and less knowledgeable about things because they don't have that internal capacity to stop themselves and say, fuck. Yeah.

Am I, am I being arrogant? Am I being egotistical? They're not self-evaluating in any way. Right. So that, that's why. Yeah. No, that's absolutely true. You're right.

I think that's cool as shit that you guys do that reading thing. Yeah. That's cool. Cool. Yeah. Sometimes I add a English accent, you know. Oh, let's hear it. Irish accent. You open your mouth now. Oh my God. Yeah. Cause I add an English accent, you know. Oh, let's hear it. Irish accent.

You open your mouth now. Oh, my God. Yeah, because I think you're full of shit. Man, I try to sound like Sean Connery, which I'm not sounding like him right now, but, you know, I won't even try my Sean Connery. Hey. I used to do a good Rain Man. Remember Rain Man?

Let me give you a little piece of advice, Vaughn. Definitely. When we're doing an audio show, don't brag about accents you don't fucking have. Because I am for sure going to say, let's hear it. It's true. All right. I'll keep that in mind for the future. All right, guys. Well, hey, look, that's the show. Thank you so much for coming down and doing this show. It really means a lot to me. I'm happy to have you on the show. I want to have you on the show regularly. So, uh, anytime

you come down for, for work, let's, let's get this going. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Thank you. And, uh, guys, thanks so much for listening. If you love the show, if you got something out of it, um, we don't advertise the show. I would just appreciate if you left us a review, um, on iTunes. And then also if you would share it with your friends, that's all we ask. Uh, I don't pack the show full of ads. I don't try to make it, you know,

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getting the word out about the show. All right. See you guys next time. Told my teacher, dumb bitch. I'm going to get millions about the show. All right. See you guys next time.