REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 176. #75HARD vs Will Grumke

Episode Date: November 21, 2021

Are you listening to your boss voice or your bitch voice? In today's episode, Andy is joined by Will Grumke from in-house 1st Phorm HQ. They discuss how to expose your confidence through discipline, how we must conquer the conversations we have internally, and why someone with already good habits must continue to improve.

What is up guys, it's Andy Frisella and this is the show for the realest, say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness and delusions of modern society. And welcome to motherfucking reality guys. Today we have a special 75 part edition, and you're going to really like this one. This is, this is one I've been trying to get done for a while. Um, addition of real AF. Okay. Uh, putting this out on Sunday for a reason. It's because a lot of you guys are lying to yourselves right now. Currently, as you're listening to this, talking about how you're going to fucking start tomorrow and fix all your shit. And so what I hope by having these 75 Hard podcasts come out on Sunday is that they will convince you to actually follow through on that promise that you've made to yourself for the last however many months or years. Because I know what that's like.

I'm not talking shit. I'm not trying to make you feel bad. I know what that's like. That's the whole point I created 75 hard was to break myself out of that cycle and it works. Um, and it's a real lifestyle. And I have a special guest to talk about that today. But before I get into that couple reminders, one powerless back in stock, uh, just so you know know So if you want a powerless journal Those are back in stock Two Otis

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I usually say there's no ads Guess what? Today we're having a fucking ad We're going to have it about my shit. All right. The reason I write these books guys is because over many, many years of being in the personal development space, I've realized that a lot of parents really want to teach their kids the right things, but we're never actually taught those things themselves or just now realizing these things in their lives. And so for that reason, they don't really know what to teach their kids or how to help their

kids along the right path, which as we all know, is probably the most important time in their life. So the reason that we created these books, guys, was really because we needed to get to people sooner. Okay. Just like we talk about indoctrination on the left of all this crazy shit. Right. Well, indoctrination is going to happen either way. So do you want them to be raised with the right values of hard work, doing the right thing, being a good citizen? All of these things that represent what this country is about and should be about? Or do you want them to be indoctrinated by people who want them to believe that, you know, they're fucking,

who knows what they want them to believe actually now. I have no fucking idea, but anyway, this is a tool. These books are a tool and the kids love them. So, um, there's no cursing. You have to worry about that. I'm not, I'm not? But they are some really helpful books and probably the most rewarding project that I've been a part of because all of the posts and tags that you guys make that use these books are awesome, man. It's super incredible, and I really appreciate your guys' support. But anyhow, the new book's available on the website, so you can check that out now with that all being said on to what will be the greatest 75 hard episode ever or at least so far with my man my good friend fellow first former here at hq will grumpy what's up bro what's going on man how are you oh doing

well doing well actually just uh wrapped up outdoor workout number two for phase one how was it out there it just annoyingly enough cold that like when you're doing sprints like it just burns the throat the whole time so you know it was uh not too bad yeah i i i bowed out of my 75 hard that i started uh to go the last 75 days of the year i uh i wasn't being able to give it with my injury and shit. I just felt like I was out, not giving it the full intent. I'm still doing everything. So I got to go out and do the cardio here, uh, in a little bit, but yeah, sometimes you win, sometimes you don't win. And that's the reality. I wasn't giving it the proper intent. Now, with that being said, uh, bro, for those of you guys that don't know who Will is, okay, I know a lot of you guys

have followed First Form. This is, first of all, one of my best friends. He's on the board of our company, okay? He's a self-made guy, came in, started working at us, how many years ago? 2013. So this is eight and a little bit of change. Yeah. And when you started, you were a minimum wage guy.

Yep. Yeah. So he started as a minimum wage guy, has built a career here at First Form. He's an executive here at First Form, literally started from the bottom, is one of the most incredible dudes that you could ever meet for a lot of different reasons. Also one of the toughest guys. And before we get into 75 Hard, I want to talk about one of the toughest fucking things i've ever witnessed in humanity um and you know what i'm going to talk about but you guys so one day this now now we'll talk we'll get into this but you weren't an exceptional like gifted endurance

athlete right no not at all i, I grew up a fat kid and the very first time that my mom made me, you know, start running or being active to try to lose weight. Like I cried, like my legs chafed so hard and like just from a mile that I cried and I was like, Nope, this running thing ain't for me. So definitely not gifted. So you weren't one of these guys who's just cross country guy and a great athlete and all these things. No, no. I mean, the only running experience I had was, uh, after I lost 50 pounds. I mean, a lot of that, I was running like three miles a day. Um, you know, a little bit of a freshman year track, but that's, that's about it. So you, you grew up fat kid. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so guys, just so you understand, Will's not a little guy. He's a, he's a big muscular guy.

He's not like a real thin guy. This dude just decides, and why this is relevant, okay, is because usually these runners all are kind of the same build. They're smaller guys. They're built for running, okay? Will's not built for running. Will's built for being a super soldier or something. I don't know what it is, but anyhow, this dude just decides one day. Well, tell them what you decided. Yeah. So, uh, about eight months ago, decided on a Thursday around one o'clock in the afternoon that the next day I was going to wake up and run a hundred miles in under 24 hours. And, uh, I was going to run laps around the building until I got it done. So what happened? That's what I did. 19 hours and 50 or

no, 45 minutes later, got it done. 19 hours straight. He ran a hundred miles in laps around our headquarters and I watched him. Okay. It took me like three hours to figure out what was going on because when I got to work that day, I saw him running. And then I left later to go do something. And he was still running. And it was like way long of a time to where you shouldn't have still been running. And I'm like, hey, what the fuck is Will doing? And the guys are like, oh, he's running 100 miles. And I'm like, holy shit.

Bro, let's talk about that before we can get into 75 hard. Because I want people to understand, like, what was that like? And what, and what, what made, what inspired you? Like what is dude, I know you and you know, not these, these guys listening, they, they don't know you at all, but I know that was a test for you. Yeah. That was, that's what that was about. Absolutely. Um, and really, you know, the, the message that I want people to, you know, kind of take away from it is I didn't even, you't even post about it or that I was going to do it, you know, because it was it was 100 percent for me. And, you know, really what it was, was, you know, living up to the, you know, the words that we talk about of leading by example and always pushing yourself. And, you know, over the last four years, I had started to dabble in a little bit of running, not consistently, but using it as a test

because it's 100% you and your mind, right? Like your bike can't fail. You have no one else to depend on you. No one else knows how hard you actually went, but you know. So when you get done with a run, okay, you have to be honest with yourself. Was that your best or did you just kind of half-ass it and people can celebrate and, oh my God, you did so great. But at the end of the day, you know. And so for me, it was, if I'm going to tell people that they need to go out and constantly push themselves, and we talk about finding your limits or pushing past your limits, I hadn't found that. And so that's what this run was about for me. And, you know, I started with, you know, running my first half marathon. And at the time it was scary. I hadn't run

anything over a 5K. And I was like, man, we got to go four times that distance. I got 30 days to prepare. I did that. And I did well at it. But the next couple of days, I was wrecked. And I was like, okay, built my confidence a little bit. Hey, I can do hard things. And then about a year went by, and I hadn't really pushed myself in that way, you know, and really getting mentally uncomfortable. So I was like, all right, marathon it is. Um, and I went out and I ran a marathon, uh, and did really well with that. And two weeks later, you know, cause Sal challenged me. He's like, dude, you're five minutes away from the Boston marathon time. Like just, if you can do it, I'll go with you. So I went out and I ran another marathon. Um, and then that built my confidence. Cause that was the first time when I realized that like, when push comes to shove, I am mentally tough enough to give it everything I have

and accomplish my goal. Cause I only beat the cutoff by like 13 seconds had to be wheelchaired off the, you know, the finish line. Like it was, I was literally destroyed. Um, but I did it. And, you know, that sense of confidence and finding, confidence and finding that place past what I thought my limits were became something I was pursuing. And you talk about it all the time of pursuing your potential, whatever that is. And so I had a new threshold. And then it was, okay, I'm going to do a 50K trail run, 32 miles. And then from there is when I was like, the first thought of like, I bet I could run 100 miles in 24 hours. And instantly I was like, no, you of like, I bet I could run a hundred miles in 24 hours. And instantly I was like, no, you can't. Now you got to do it. Yeah. And I was like,

I was like, nah, you can't do that. That's, that's insane. Why would you do that? Who could do that? And it's like, no, you could do it. And as soon as, like you said, as soon as I started debating it, it was like, well, I'm gonna have to test this theory. And, uh, so we did. And I went for it actually four months earlier and made it about 70 miles before my body completely shut down, which was twice as far as it ever ran in my life. And that's where Sal had to come pick me up off the road, take me home. I was shaking uncontrollably. I couldn't move. And hypothermia. Yeah. I mean, I was in a bad, really bad spot. And then four months later, it just, it weighed on me that whole four months, Didn't move. And hypothermia. Yeah. I mean, I was in a bad, really bad spot. And then four months later, it just, it weighed on me that whole four months, you know, looking at, okay, I found my limit physically, but mentally I was still like, I can do it.

I can do it. Yeah. And I didn't run in between, you know, I ran three times, three miles just because we got suckered into some workouts around here. And, and then, you know, finally on that Thursday, it was just, it just hit me. And I was like, fuck it. I'm running it tomorrow morning. And, uh, you know, showed up at four o'clock in the morning, got out of my truck and started running and 19 hours and 45 minutes later, it was done. So dude, that, first of all, that's incredible, man. Like, I hope you guys can

appreciate how, how big of a mental feat that is. Not just physical. I mean, there's lots of people that train to run these ultra distance runs and they run a hundred miles or even longer, 200 miles, right? Like there's guys that are running these huge races and they train for these races, right? Like for sometimes for even years to get to this point. And what Will did was he just said, Hey, i'm gonna go see how far i can go and went out and fucking started running so like i hope you could appreciate how big of a mental test that is um it's one of the most

impressive things i've ever been able to witness and and uh i'm not surprised that you were able to accomplish it at all dude what what were some of the conversations that you had like dude i i know how my conversations are when i'm doing shit that just sucks because there had to have been points during that run that sucked like for real they're like like you i know there's zones of momentum and you kind of go this other place and then you're you know 40 minutes from where you were and then you get into these zones where every step is complete agony and complete willful intent and grit and guts so what were some of the conversations like that happened when during

those times yeah so a lot of conversations like the internal conversation yeah yeah yeah and and another thing i want to note is uh i ran it with no headphones right no music no podcast because i wanted to have those conversations yeah and you can't distract yourself then so it's like all right well you're by yourself with your thoughts and uh figure it out and so you know a lot of it was uh you know, thinking about obviously, well, once again, no one else knows that I'm doing this, right? And when you're running and yeah, you kind of have those times of momentum, but I had a specific goal, right?

And I think the biggest thing that people can learn from this is the whole time, you know, my mind was trying to tell me that, well, you don't really need to maybe hit that exact goal, right? Like when things got tough, it was, well, maybe you don't have need to maybe hit that exact goal, right? Like when things got tough, it was, well, maybe you don't have to do it in 24 hours because if you slow down a little bit, you could definitely cover the distance, right? Or, you know, well, no one else knows that you're really running 100. So you could just, you know, stop at 50 and, you know, it'd be a good run and go out with friends and do whatever you want. And so the whole time it's your brain or my brain, at least, was looking for reasons and justifications to just let off the gas. Right. And once again, that's what I like about running specifically is because, you know, if you let off the gas,

you stop. Right. Like there's no momentum of a wheel. There's no team to pick you up. Right. Like if you let off the gas, it's between you and yourself because nobody else knows how you feel in that moment. And for me, it was that constant battle of like every step of like, I'm going to run my pace. I'm going to run my pace. I'm going to stick to my game plan. I can't worry about, you know, what's at mile 60. I'm still on mile seven and it's dark and it's cold and we're going to figure this thing out. Right. And focused on running like that mile. And then it became running that straight away mile and then it became running that straight away and then it became just run to that little crack in the freaking sidewalk or whatever yeah and make a left-hand turn you know um so whatever i had to do because like you're right

it was up it was down it was all around um and then i can tell you the last 10 it was just pure suck there was no more momentum every fucking fucking step. Yeah. It fucking hurt. Yeah. Dude, so you guys notice what he's talking about there is your bitch voice and your boss voice. Okay? We talk about this a lot in the program. You know, these conversations happen to us. And we're going to get into 75 hard. But I just want to, you know, these conversations happen to us when we're doing anything that's difficult physically.

Okay? And this is what gives us the opportunity to grow mentally. You know, these conversations happen to us when we're doing anything that's difficult physically. Okay. And this is what gives us the opportunity to grow mentally. All right. These are why these things are so intertwined. And a lot of people think the 75 hard is a physique transformation challenge or some shit when in reality it's designed to get you as uncomfortable as you fucking can so that you can take control. First of all, become aware of the conversations like you're talking about, but also be able to navigate them.

Yeah. Right. Because the reason that most people end up in a place they don't want to be is because in that conversation that Will's describing where it's like, oh, well, I could run a 50 and people will still celebrate. It's good enough. That's what most people do with their lives. Okay.

So they set out to have a hundred miler and they get to 50 and you're like, Oh, that's, that's okay. And, and they let those voices literally create a reality for them in the physical world. That wasn't what their intent was because they let themselves be tricked,

uh, you know, by the silver tongue of our own selves. Right. Which is the best one for us. Yeah, exactly. We know exactly what we like, what we want to hear. That's right, man. And that's why that's so important to become aware of these conversations. Bro, I mean, we could stop the podcast for 16 minutes and I think people get some good value

out of that. But this is a 75 hard deal and it's important to know that you started 75 hard after this correct right so he had already i mean there's nobody in the world that would argue that that's not one of the mentally toughest things they've ever fucking heard of okay um and then he's going to do 75 hard so i'm really interested to hear what you're going to have to say about it yeah uh being someone who i know for sure is already a pretty mentally determined human. Before we get into this, what do you do here at First Form? Yeah. So I'm the director of education. So oversee any of our content on the website,

emails, blogs, through our Legionnaire program, really help organize all that and make sure that it's communicated effectively so people can actually take the education and go out and apply it. Because otherwise, like if they don't know what to do and how to do it and why to do it, well, they're most likely not going to do it. And as a former fat kid myself, I understand that, you know? So that's really what my role is to make sure that that message is easy to apply in real life scenarios. And so guys, what he does a lot of his time is he spends a lot of his time coaching people to get the most out of them. Okay.

So this is someone who, first of all, he's already mentally tough. Okay. Second of all, he spends his, his career coaching humans to, to get past these sorts of things. So this isn't just some like regular dude who we pull in off the street that did 75 hard. This is a guy who literally coaches people on the concepts that you learn through 75 hard literally every day to produce results for them. Okay. So what made you want to get after this? Cause like out of all the people that I know, and this is honest, like out of all the people I know that need this

program, you're probably the least, like you would be the last person I would think like, hey man, Will really needs 75 hard. Like you have already developed, you know, over the course of time, you know, tremendous, tremendously effective habits, or you wouldn't be where you are in the world. Right. Right. Um, and by the way, he, he's very young guys. This is a young man. This isn't like a 40 year old dude. How old are you? 30. Yeah. He's 30. So, um, he's accomplished a lot in a very short amount of time. So, so you decided to do it. Like why? I know it wasn't just to like, make me feel good. I know that. Right. Like, what were you just trying to see if I knew what I was talking about or what?

No, no. I, uh, I think that's the reason why I did it because one, I got tired of people saying, oh, well, you know, yeah, you don't need to do it. And, you know, then it, it started weighing on me. And like, once it clicked in my brain that I was being hypocritical almost of like, once again talking about hey you know go out and push yourself and do better and even when you think you're doing well you could probably audit your intent and do things even better and how can you improve and so i was like well shit will like you're a fucking hypocrite if you don't do this right like this program has changed so many lives and i've seen it and i've you know people on the team like everybody talks about it and yet i hadn't done it and it's like well who am i to

think i'm too good to get fucking better on this so literally like two days later right after summer smash i was like because that's what it was everyone at summer smash coming up to me talking about the 100 miles and yeah you know or 75 hard and then they would say but you don't have to do it yeah and it just it fucking ate at me and i no, if I'm going to live by our core values and I'm going to be a man of my word, like I got to do it. There's no option. So started. That's awesome, man. So yeah. And by the way, you know, I understand that no matter where you are, you can get more out of yourself. I mean, that's like, I hope you guys understand what he said. Cause like what he said really is sort of the whole purpose of our existence when it comes to our own development. Because what he's talking about is setting the standard.

You know, people talk about like, oh, dude, you know, you got to fulfill your potential. Well, your potential is never something that can actually be fulfilled. You can't ever fulfill your potential because it's on a sliding scale. And the harder you work, the harder you push yourself, what happens is your standard raises. It gets to a new point, all right? And you think, okay, I'm at the limits of my potential. Well, what you just learned created a whole new level of skill set behind that standard, all right? And then that new skill set pushes you past that standard. And so what we live in is a reality in which, as a human, you can consistently expand your own potential by pushing yourself to your limit over and over and over again. And this is how you see people who, let's say in business, you have two very different distinct type of business people. You have people who make it once and maybe fall off, or you have people that just continue to grow, continue to

grow, continue to grow. Or in careers or in relationships or in fitness, people either kind of peak and then fall off or they continue to progress. And it's the people that continue to progress that are actually showing you what potential really is all about. And so when you think about what you're capable of, you may only be able, capable of running two miles today, but that two miles, once you hit it, now you realize it wasn't that big of a deal, allows you to get to the three or, and that three allows you to get to six. And then you get to a place where it's a hundred or whatever you decided it is. Right. And when you get to that point where it's, and this is in all areas where it's whatever you decide the end is, that's where you become powerful. Right. Like how, like I was asked yesterday, what's the finish line for you?

I don't know, whatever I decided to be. Yeah. That's powerful. You know what I mean? And that comes with time and it comes with consistently committing yourself to pushing yourself to a point of extreme discomfort, learning the strengths and gaining the skills that you would gain from that, and then going at it over again and over again and over again. And I would just say that I think where a lot of people mess that up is they compartmentalize exactly what you're talking about for one area of their life. And for example, they'll do that in the gym, right? Like when it comes to lifting weights, that's how you physically get stronger is pushing your muscle and pushing your body.

And then you add a little bit more and you add a little bit more and you add a little bit more, but they don't take that same concept and apply it to their life, right? To their job, to their relationship, to whatever it is, to their standard of keeping their fucking car clean. Like they don't do that. They just, oh, I'm super disciplined here. I push myself here. Yeah, but if you're talking about building your life,

it's more than just lifting weights in the gym. And so, you know, that's where I think a lot of people, they compartmentalize that skill and they don't let it transfer to other areas of their life. Totally, dude. And I think my personal opinion is, I think that comes from not being aware of social norms. I think that becomes of not being aware of the dynamic nature of the human existence,

right? Like there's a whole lot of shit that we do. Like we've got a bunch of areas in our lives that need to be addressed. And the more discipline that we have, the more ability that we have to control our external existence, meaning all the shit that goes on outside of what we have going on, the stronger and more effective we become on whatever path we choose. And so, you know, I mean, bro, it's hard for me to ask you questions about this because like, I don't feel like this shit was that hard for you. You know what I'm saying? Like you're already a person who lives by this standard and this is like a unique way. I've never talked to anybody like you that's done this. Right. So, I mean, tell me about it, bro.

Yeah. So, I mean, going into it, you know, my biggest concern or fear was, you know, once again, living up to my standard of, you know, what's going to make me proud when I get through this, right? Like when I look at myself at the end of the day, if I can say I executed on all of those tasks with the utmost intent and I did my very best with it, right? Every single day. Every single day. And so in that, you know, that puts that pressure on yourself, right? That makes you hold yourself accountable. And I mean, you can, you know, see it in one, my productivity at work during that time,

but then also the physical side of things. It's like, it made me dig deeper than I was already digging, right? And it made me like, you don't just miss a day of like you're reading, right? Or you don't just miss a day of like you're reading right or you don't just miss a day of like you're eating like i mean it physically and mentally just made me push myself harder and so while going in it was like oh yeah i do these things but when you truly try to absolutely squeeze everything out of it like it was awesome and it was challenging you know um

and i'm very thankful i did and i'll tell you know, phase one is straight up kicking my ass in a whole new way. Like that's a, that's a whole nother animal. Um, but it, it just taught me a lot that even though I was doing good and by most people's standards, I was doing great. Right. I could still do better. And I was still feeding myself shit. Right. You know, both what I was eating, you know, letting some things slide. Not that it's the end of the world, but if I really want to be my best, like, okay, well, I now know exactly what I can do to make myself better, right?

And same thing mentally. Like I would, you know, feed myself some shit every now and again. And like, all right, that's part of human nature. But the purpose of the program is to find those things and call them out and eliminate or at least make them less and less. So once again, you can keep working towards a better version of yourself. And while,

you know, I maybe might have not had as much of a drastic change mentally, as far as like, you know, I'd had no self-discipline to like, hey, I'm doing pretty fucking good. It still was incremental change every single day that by the end of 75 days, I was like, fuck man. You're tuned up. Yeah. I'm the best version of myself that I've ever been to this point. Like literally on that day. Exactly. Yeah, bro. That's one of the most powerful feelings. A lot of people ask me,

first of all, that was awesome. But a lot of people always ask me, they're like, why do you always do it? Because dude, you find yourself in this place, at least for me, you know, where I have never been. Right. So like I like right now, it's very hard for me mentally because I'm injured. Right. And I'm not as good as I was before I was injured physically. Right. And it's fucking pissing me off, bro.

Like Matt, like, like making me so angry that it's like, I'm, I'm actually like pissed off, like legitimately. And we're in the past, you know, 2018 or 2017, Andy, uh, and you know that dude too.

Oh yeah. Would have just said, fuck it. You know, I'm going to go, I'm taking this time off. I can't train. And I would have gained 30 pounds.

We'd be a Billy Jesus. Oh, right. We were open to close. Hey, you know what? We're due for that. Hey, we're due for one of those. Hey, I'm in like, you know, I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up on that street life. I get it. I get it. Anytime. Look, dude, uh, you know, but man, you know, that, that feeling of knowing, and I posted this a couple of times in my story. I'm like, dude, today, I've never been better than this in my entire life.

That's a fucking powerful feeling, bro. That's a powerful feeling. And you get addicted to it. You get into that zone where it's like you're chasing that feeling. And you don't get that without going all in on the intent, like what you're talking about. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. I feel like a lot of people, you know, right now they think it's an accomplishment just to get through this 75 hard, say, oh, I got through it. But like, dude, to really unlock the magic about it, like this is why I stopped on my last one because I wasn't doing it. It's respect. Right. I, I can't stress enough. And I want you to talk about this a little bit, how important it is, what you said about intent on all the tasks throughout the day. So, you know, cause I know you caught yourself wanting to slip. Oh yeah. And like, tell me about those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you know,

one of the things that I, you know, post a lot about and talk a lot about is, you know, one good decision at a time. Right. And so to monitor, you know, an audit by a tent going through it, you know, I really do. I focus on like what is in front of me and, you know, and then when I'm done with that, okay, is that something that's up to my standard? Am I proud of the result that I drove on that? Right. And that can be a Am I proud of the result that I drove on that, right? And that can be a conversation, that can be a workout, that can be whatever. And that's the only way that I know

how to like truly hold myself accountable in each and every one of those actions. And so, you know, when it's like, all right, workout number one, all right, we're going to set the phone aside. Like I, you know, and that was a habit that I broke because I didn't realize how much time I was kind of, you know, killing on my phone in between sets, right?

Or whatever the case may be. And it's like, all right, when I'm done with this, I don't want to have to fucking redo this, right? Because there were a couple workouts that I got done with like my outdoor session. And it's like, yeah, I rode the bike, but like, ah, it didn't sit well with me. So we're going to do it again, you know? And it's like, all right. And so wait, so wait, wait. So even in the program, I want you to clarify this for people. When you felt like you didn't get the full, like you didn't do the workout, you did it without intent. You did the workout again. Fuck yeah.

You know, and one time I changed the workout because I was like, well, I'm kind of half-assed that. So let me go lift. Let me go do something that like, all right, I'm more motivated to do and I could attack it. Right. And it's like, all right, I'm more motivated to do and I could attack it. Right. And it's like, all right, I'm doing the program the right way is about, you know, I just want you guys listening to understand that. Now I'm not saying that you all got to go do fucking extra workouts and shit. What I'm saying is

you want to become aware of the intent that you're putting in to every single task. Right. And don't become a box check. Right. And there's purpose behind those workouts, right? Especially because I was training for a CrossFit competition and things like that. So it's like, okay, on some of those days, it's gymnastic work, right? Where your heart rate is down a little bit more, but you're practicing handstand walks up and down the turf and you're doing things that's not like, oh, I'm just going to go run sprints, right? So the intensity is different, but the purpose of that workout is different. So, it's, you know, really when I look at those things, am I fulfilling the purpose of it to the standard that I am comfortable with to say, without a doubt, I made myself proud and I did it the right way. And so, like, that's really

how I kind of monitor all those things because like you said, it doesn't mean every workout, you got to, you know, freaking go run through a wall, right? What's the purpose, right? And making sure that you are meeting the purpose with the standard that you have set for yourself. Okay. And that you can honestly look yourself in the face and say, Hey, I'm proud. I fulfilled that. I did that. Cool. Let's move on to the next one. That's bad-ass man. So dude, what was the hardest part of the program? You think for me, it's going to sound really dumb. Uh, well maybe not, I don't know. It was the giving up alcohol. Right. And I don't even drink a whole lot. Um, but it's, it's having those beers, you know, when I feel obligated from friends because they want to drink. That was one

thing that really tripped me up was, you know, anytime my brother was in town, Hey, I know what we're doing. We're going to go, we're going to go drink some beers. We're going to get drunk. Okay. It's going to be great. Have a lot of fun. Um, or Hey, you know, someone, you know, is celebrating whatever. And it's like, Oh, I'll just have one. Or I always wanted to be the guy that was like, you know, the cool kid. I think it goes back to that and be the friend that was like always in. Um, so I would compromise on that. Like that was one thing that I would always just say, all right, cool. Well, if you're drinking, I'm drinking.

I can't let you drink alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and really- That's a valid point. Yeah, that's a valid point. But it's like when you look at like, okay, but is that really what I want to do, right? Is that really an alignment?

Whether it's, you know, for my goals- I'm serving what I'm doing right now. Exactly. And so learning to just say, no, I'm good and still have a fun time. Right. It's like, Hey, well, you don't have to like pregame and then go drink and, you know, try to open up a little. It's like, dude, just be yourself. Right. Um, and so for me, that was a really big, you know, point, um, that I learned just once again,

the power to say no in that way. So now dude,, you you're you're no stranger to dieting or doing exercise in any way. But like tell me, talk a little bit about how 75 hard affected your relationship with food because you're you're a food guy. Right. Like me. Oh, yeah. We like food. Oh, yeah. And we also do like to have beers and have a good time. Did it change your relationship or how did it affect your relationship with like, you know, like you kind of touched on your last question, like going out and having a good time and socializing and like your relationship with food or alcohol or how you view those things now? Yeah, I would say it improved it. Right. Because back to the whole purpose. And like you said, does it serve you?

Right. Because I'm not going to be the guy that never drinks again or I'm not going to be the guy that never has a burger and fries again. it right because back to the whole purpose and like you said does it serve you right uh because i'm not going to be the guy that never drinks again or i'm not going to be the guy that never has a burger and fries again right like that ain't gonna fucking happen um but understanding that like there's a lot of times that i just would give into that just because it was what society thought we should do we celebrate with food we celebrate with drinks we celebrate with whatever and you know at times in a place i think that that's very beneficial. And that's what I really learned was like, and it actually made those times after 75 hard more enjoyable because it was like, hey, no, I really want to

go out with the guys. Like it was down in Florida. We had just done the CrossFit event. We just, you know, worked in the heat all day. We just did all this. And it's like going out with the guys and the girls on the team and just having some drinks, having some food, not worrying about tracking every little thing, but just living in the moment and having the purpose of like, hey, I'm going to have a good night with my friends after a hard day of work. And then the next morning woke up, felt great about it. Got right back on eating, you know, my, you know, pretty typical clean, you know, program and rock and roll. Yeah. And dude dude the best part about that is you don't feel fucking guilty about it yeah at all and there's no like negotiating to get to the point to hang out with your fucking friends right like like dude you know when you're overweight and

you know you're not doing the shit that you should be doing uh and you've been being a shit bag it's real easy to just say oh you know you tell yourself you tell yourself, oh dude, you know, I'm going to start on Monday. Right. That's what we all say. And then they justify this night out of gluttony and drinking and having, you know, and then they do that same thing so far that they could find themselves a million miles from where they actually want to be. Oh yeah. And so, you know, I think that's such an important point to talk about because I'm not changing who I am permanently. Right. But what I do have to do is develop the ability so that when people set a beer in front of me or a fucking pizza or French fries, I understand that I'm in control of these things. They're not in control of me. Right. And for so long, you know, and like a lot of people probably

listening, I lived where I couldn't turn this down. When somebody put beer in front of me or pressured me a little bit to have a good time, or I was able to very quickly tell myself a story inside that made it okay. And that's something that I think ultimately is what costs us our dreams. That's why this program is so important to talk about because those little compromises, and this is where I come up with the idea of zero compromise. Now, it also applies to how you do the program,

but the zero compromise mentality is we should not compromise our dreams. We should not compromise what we really want for our bitch voice that's telling us what we want in the moment right now. And I think it's such a powerful point that people realize when they complete this program the right way is that, holy shit, I'm actually in control of a whole lot more than what I thought I was.

And now how do you play the game then? Right. Like if you're playing, um, if you're playing checkers and you can only see the four squares, you know, you have limited moves you can make. But once you see the whole board and you can see how far you could actually go, it opens up a whole different existence for people. And this is why I'll never go away from living this way, because it continues to compound. It continues to grow. Every single time I complete one of these phases or a program, I gain something new. It's weird, dude.

It's like Thanos. You get a new stone or something. I don't know, man. It's really cool to sit here and hear you talk about. What were the biggest takeaways for like overall, like, where do you think the biggest gains were made in your, uh, you know, the skillsets that this program builds, right? Like if you take someone who has basically living how we have all lived at one point and you put them through this program, they're going to have, you know, grit, they're going to have, uh, you know, confidence,

they're going to have self-belief, they're going to have a discipline. They're going to have all of these different qualities, sort of like you would see in Madden, right? Like we're speed 99, strength 99. Like if you start thinking of all those qualities that you gain during 75 hard that make up the concept of mental toughness, where do you think you gain the most? Yeah. So I would say, because most people, they give in. So it's the ability to say no. Right. Like learning that skill, I think is something that has helped a tremendous amount of people. Right. And even once again, with myself, like that was one of the things, the ability.

So that's something that you, that you strengthened during the program that has, you've seen reflected in real life. Yes. Yeah. Even more so. And you know, by doing that, right. Like that's very, like, that's a real life thing. Okay. Cause when you talk about, you know, grit and mental toughness and things, it's like, okay, well, how do you, what does that look like in day to day? Right. And so the ability to say no to things that aren't in alignment with your goals or what you want to do, I think is one of the most practical things that people, you know, get out of it. Um, and then also prior, uh, prioritization, right? And literally, because otherwise you're not going to get things done, right? And then, because if you, you know, if you, you know, fuck around and

you mess up your schedule or whatever, then you're up real late. Well, then the next day is harder. And then you do that again. And the next day is harder. Well, you're really just running down your own little like demise here of like, okay, you're doing it to yourself. So it makes you have to have, once again, you know, a conversation with yourself and figure out what do you want? Otherwise, if you're doing it right, you won't finish it, right? You won't get through it with the right intent. So you have to think what's most important in my life, right? What are the things that need the most amount of attention? And let me do those things first, right? Let me get those things in here. And so for me, you know, I think that once again, it helps strengthen that, right? And especially going into, you know,

phase one now with the additional task and things like that, it's like, okay, there's more on your plate. And I still have to maintain everything that I do at work. I still have to maintain all of my relationships. I have to, you know, still maintain all these things. Like that was one of the standards that I hold for myself. It's not, oh, I do this and I let other things slip. No, fuck that. The purpose is to add these things in and go through it and still maintain everything else in your life. Because no one else asked you to do it. So if you're bitching and moaning and complaining, fuck off. You're doing it for yourself. So you can't let it negatively affect other things. So I think those two things are the most like real life skills that people can learn that leads to the mental toughness through building that discipline to just stick to the plan.

And then over time, you're like, all right, cool. Like none of this other shit matters, right? Like, or it doesn't shake you as much. And it's a process, you know, of figuring that out. Like, so that would be the top two things. I think, dude, it's been so long since I felt like I'm hearing you talk about this. Like it, it's good that you came on because, and it's good that I do these shows because it, and I'm not saying this to brag, but it's been so long since I've remembered what it felt like to feel out of control. But like, dude, most people don't feel like they have

any control. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And like, I'm like, as you're control, but like, dude, most people don't feel like they have any control. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And like, I'm like, as you're talking, I'm sitting here remembering how weak I was back, you know, the, the Andy that existed before I started down this path. Um, you know, I was that guy, I was the guy who couldn't get three or four days through a diet program, like literally three or four days. You know what I'm saying? And the whole, I was that guy. I was the guy who couldn't get three or four days through a diet program, like literally three or four days. You know what I'm saying? And the whole time I was like arguing with myself to like want to cheat the whole time. Like I want to cheat on food, want to slack on the program.

And that narrative of mediocrity that we advertise to ourselves over and over and over and over again is powerful shit, man. Just like the actual media is very powerful. We have to be able to rebut that on demand, recognize it and defeat it. You know what I mean? And that's one of the things that I love about this program is the awareness that it creates to the conversation that we all have internally that no one really fucking talks about. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think another thing with and why it's so great is that it's individualized based off of exactly what you're saying, right? Because everybody, we all start somewhere. Like, I mean, and I think about when I'm, you know, talking about my, you know, writing posts or sharing information, like I think

back to the fat, insecure Will, you know, and it's like, okay, well, what do they need to know to get started, right? Or where was Will five years ago, right? Or where was Will two years ago, right? And, you know, it helps give me an idea of like, okay, I wasn't where I'm at now. So I need to, you know, speak and think in ways that matter to that. And my, at now. So I need to, you know, speak and think in ways that matter to that. And my point to that is, you know, for people that are thinking about starting the program, right. And they might hear like, oh, well, this dude fucking crushed it and blah, blah, blah, blah. I can't do like, no, fuck that. Like, that would be like you never going to the gym because someone squats more than you. Once again, I relate it back to fitness, right. Or

like, that would be like you never going to that 5k with your family because you know, someone's going to be there that ran a marathon one time. Like it's all relative to the individual. And it's like, okay, the worst thing you can do is just be a little bitch and not start. Right. It's like, get in the game and everybody else will support you through that process. The people that have ran that 5k that then ran the half marathon that didn't ran the marathon. Like they are excited for those people to start their journey and understanding that bro. Talk about that because you did this with Derek Wida. You guys did it together. Yeah. Talk a little bit about that. Like talk about how it affected like your relationships with, you know, your family,

your friends, um, the people here, you know, or even people on social media, talk a little bit about how it was received as you went through the program because i think one of the coolest things about 75 hard is the culture that's behind oh fuck yeah yeah yeah without you remove the motherfuckers that pretend they did it right i'm talking about the people who actually have done it yeah yeah no i mean right off the the top of the you know top of my head i mean the first word that comes to mind is respect right because once again it doesn't matter you know, top of my head. I mean, the first word that comes to mind is respect, right? Because once again, it doesn't matter. You know, I mean, I've built awesome relationships with people just through DMS of like, you know, they saw me posting my calendar or they're like,

oh, we're on the same day. And I'm like, yo, we're day twins, you know, like whatever. And, you know, but they're starting at a different spot. You know, they might've been, you know, 300 pounds or 120 pounds, or they might've been, you know, in this career or that career or different workouts. I was like, it didn't matter because the respect that is earned through doing that work. Right. And even though we're not physically together, what's so great is that, you know, through social media as a platform and through those things, you can connect with people and you can tell who's really doing the work and, and, and who's not in, you know, that respect it's, it's not, Hey man, well, I'm doing it better than you or Hey man, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's like, bro, that workout today was one of those fucking

test days, man. You know, or Hey, you know what? I love that about that culture, dude. Absolutely. You know, it's not a competitive culture. No. And bro, I'm somebody who loves competition, but this is a competitive culture where you compete against yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Powerful dude. And, uh, you know, what was great, uh, you know, and even like, uh, the reading 10 pages a day, I've always been, you know, was great uh you know and even like uh the reading 10 pages a day i've always been you know a reader i mean for the last eight years working here always were no you told me to read magic of thinking big eight years ago and uh i've read it every year since and i read all the time now but um i just listen hey got to my own horror hey i get it you know it's worked for me guys. Listen, you know, I'm just teasing, but this is

a fucking stud I'm talking to you right here, man. And, uh, you know, uh, Derek, okay. Was someone that he hadn't read a book in years. Right. And so for us, you know, like you guys read the same books. We didn't read the same book, but we like traded ideas. Yeah. Not book buddies, but like ideas on like, Hey, what book are you reading right now? What do you like? Like, and so we, you know, kind of flip flop some things and like, it was, it was cool, you know? Um, so we were able to connect on that, which, I mean, he's a great friend and we've done a lot of cool shit over the last four years together, but we had never talked about, you know, things like that, or even talked about, you know, uh, you know, business relationships.

I mean, like just life in general, you know, and we were able to kind of start connecting on that because some of the workouts we did together and like when you're out there just dragging a sled around doing, you know, we had stupid shit Sundays. Like we just came up with just painful, dumb stuff that it's like, all right, well, what are we going to talk about? Bro, out there in the rain too. I remember seeing you guys out there like talk about those workouts. Yeah.

Oh, I mean, they sucked. But you know, you get done and it's like. I always feel the best after those. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing is like you step out of the truck and the rain is cold and you're like fuck yeah but then yeah you start moving you get through it and then you're like like about midway through you're like man we need like some motivational music behind like you know you start feeling like a bad motherfucker yeah yeah and then by the end it's like i'm just gonna stand out in the rain all day i don't care you know fuck y'all pretty much bro we always talk dj and i always tell dj because like we'll go outside you know he he does cardio with me regardless of what's going on

so like he may not even be doing the program but he's still out doing it yeah and when it's cold as fuck or it's raining and shit we'll go out and we'll both be like, fuck. And I'll be like, dude, give us 10 minutes. In 10 minutes, we'll be great. And it always is. 10 minutes later, bro, I'm like fucking the Rocky song in my head. Yep, got it. And then when I get done and I'm walking back up,

like we walk back up to the back of the building here, I'm like, there ain't no motherfuckers out here doing this shit. Like I get all cocky and shit. But dude, that's what the fucking program does. It makes you realize how fucking powerful you actually are. Yeah. Like, in the real world. Like, you actually pick up your phone and look,

and motherfuckers are out, you know, sipping mimosas when you're grinding hard as fuck in the rain. Right. Bro, there's power to that. You know what I'm saying? It makes us feel good. It makes us understand that, dude, we can fucking do hard shit that other people won't do right which actually brings up i'm glad you said that it brings up the third point that in my brain

i was like all right i can't leave before i bring this up and that is that things are never as bad as they seem right like human nature and i think once again uh how does that apply to life right or how does that apply to your job? You might get this project and you're like, oh, fuck, that's going to suck. Or, oh, man, I don't know how I'm going to do that. So people don't take action. But once you get started on it, it becomes easier every freaking time. And then when you get done, that sense of confidence is instilled in you because you did the shit that you know that you didn't want to do.

And so I think the workouts are a great example of that, of if you can take, once again, not just compartmentalize that for fitness, but move that into other areas of life, having that conversation with the friend or having, you know, whatever it is, it's like, that is what is going to help build that mindset and the grit and all those things in the long-term success of like, dude, it's never as bad as you think. So get started. And, you know, it takes me back to something that my dad taught me from a very young age was, you know, he always said, how bad could it be? Right. And he, and with that, it was like, oh, well, you know, I don't know, like, I guess it could be pretty fucking bad, but we're going to find out, you know? And it always just

like gave me a little sense of like, well, eh, we'll see. Right. Um, and that re like it, you know, re-triggered in my brain going through some of those things where it's like, fuck man, I don't want to do this. And then you get, you know, started or whatever the momentum going, it's easier. You finish it, you feel better. And then just even that little moment of like, Hey, you know what? I didn't want to do it, but I did it to me. That's what helps build that confidence that then you take to the next one. You know, it's not over celebrating or, to me, that's what helps build that confidence that then you take to the next one. It's not over-celebrating or bragging. It's just like, that's a conversation with you and yourself in that moment, builds confidence. And then the next time, and then the next time. It's just simply keeping your word to yourself. You know what's so weird is you're sitting here thinking, I'm just

sitting here over here thinking about this whole idea of confidence. What's so weird about it and ironic about the whole idea is like you it's not even like we talk about it in terms of building confidence but it's not really even building confidence it's exposing confidence because what it's really doing like you're capable of this shit right now you just don't think you're capable of this shit right now and so it's so weird to think about how fucking all these concepts, how strange they really are. Because when you really think about confidence, think about building it, you didn't change anything. Nothing actually changed. You know what I'm saying?

When you went from one mile to 1.5 miles or two miles or three miles, nothing changed other than the internal conversation that you're having with yourself and a little bit of muscular endurance, maybe. Right. Right. Um, and so you were always capable of that, you know, and it's weird to think about how us humans have to go through these little processes to pull the fucking carpet back on what we're actually capable of. You know what I mean? But it's, it's a process that it's the only process i like you know you can't do it any other way yeah you have to like go through that slow uncovering process of what we're actually capable of through these tests right um because i could sit there and talk to someone right now and maybe it's you you're listening right now and convince you you know i could try to convince you all day of all these things that you're capable of, but until you actually see yourself

do them and push yourself through that, you won't even believe what I say. Right. You know, but, but you'll come to find out, holy shit, I was actually capable of all this shit. It's been doing that a long time ago. It's such a weird thing to think about. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I've never thought of it as like uncovering or exposing, but. Yeah. Cause we still have it. Right. Like we still always had it. I don't know i've never thought of it as like uncovering or exposing but yeah because we still have it right like we still always had it i don't know man just that shit it's fascinating to me to think about like the mental processes that are required for us to come to these conclusions that were honestly true the whole entire time we just weren't executing on them you know what i mean or we didn't believe that we had those qualities in us you know a lot of that i could get into this whole thing a lot of that i

think has to do with the way society presents um our opportunities to us based upon who we are where we grow up how much money we came from etc etc etc now it's race and all these other things but it's interesting to think about dude um i was gonna ask you if you've done the other phases but it you know you're already on phase one yep uh yeah so i uh how's that going what day you on 26 oh shit you're almost done so i uh oh fuck man one day at a time yeah i'm getting my ass kicked fucking things a grind dude bro yeah and it like it literally started fucking beautifully um in the sense of like my very like i had said all right i'm gonna finish this competition you know and then on

monday i'm starting well of course you know sunday my flight gets delayed so now i gotta fly out monday then it's delayed again monday morning so i'm waking up on day one of phase one you know trying to rearrange flights trying to get back here make them like now it's very important you know he he could have easily said oh no, no, I'll just start another day. Exactly. Why didn't you do that? Because that's not what the commitment to myself was. That's right. And I was like, well, I committed. I'm starting here. And if I break this commitment, well, I've already fucking set myself back. Right. So and once again, I thought about, well, how bad can it be? I'm going to attack this day hey if i get to the day end of the day and maybe

somehow something happens and it just isn't hey well you know what i gave it my best shot but i'm not gonna wake up and be like no i'll just start on tuesday because i've done that fat will did that old will did that yeah i ain't going back to that yeah so bro that scares the fuck out of me i'm with you bro i was talking to honey today we were talking about um because i'm injured i was falling off of my training right like there's only so much shit i can do right and um i was talking to him and he i'm like bro look i've got he's like you you gotta let it rest i said look bro i gotta do what i can fucking do i'm gonna get fucking fat again he's like he's laughing on the other side he's like bro you killed that dude i'm like no the fuck i did it that dude's in there. Because I can fucking feel it because I can still hear the stories, bro. Like, I can still hear this shit sometimes.

You know, like, oh, dude, start Monday. It's time to get serious. Like, I start hearing that shit. I'm like, oh, fuck. There he is. You know what I'm saying? It's just weird how, you know, we have to constantly fight that person who used to be us. But it's almost like that movie split. All right.

Um, where you got all these different versions of yourself that like live inside of you that like fight to manifest themselves in the physical form. You know what I'm saying? Like that fat motherfucker that used to, that you guys see that I post every once in a while, that dude's still in there. Cause I hear his motherfucking voice sometimes, bro. scares me i'm like uh-oh i go immediately to

the fucking gym like or do something right like i my life is so much fucking better from when i was that guy that 350 pound guy who lied to himself about fucking everything who who justified every fucking thing that was put in front of him to now where like, I know I'm in control of my outside elements a hundred percent to the point where I don't even stress about it. Just the removal of anxiety in your life and the removal of that powerless, hopeless feeling that you have no control over. Like, and I know some of you guys right now, you know what I'm talking about, bro? You're taught like right now you're trying to get healthy and you cannot stop thinking about the Chinese food or the pizza or the shit like, bro, you have to understand that's,

that's a version of yourself inside of yourself. Like that wants to come to life and you have other versions in your, of yourself in there. And one of them is that ideal self, that person who looks the way you want to look, who lives the way you want to live, who has the confidence, who has the belief, who has the grit, who has the fortitude, who is willing to come out if you would listen to their fucking voice

and listen to what they tell you to do. You know, that's one of the beautiful things about this program, bro, is I think it teaches you how to not only just be aware of those justifying conversations, but it also tunes you up to listen to the one

that you should listen to. You know, that's been the most powerful thing for me. And that shit you're talking about, those conversations of slight, dude, that shit fucking scares me. Oh yeah. Like it scares me.

You know, I never want to go back to that. No, me me neither every day working to not do that yeah and i i think the fact that we're aware of it now hopefully will help keep that away because i think people don't realize i think a lot of the people's problems is they're not realizing that's what's happening you know they just can't understand why they can't control their appetite or can't control their alcohol or can't control whatever you know their discipline to go train or read or whatever right yeah and i think you know for me it also helps you know with just humility in that sense yeah like okay i might have some you know discipline right now i might have done some cool shit right but it's like well you started off just a regular you know discipline right now i might have done some cool shit that's right but it's like well you started off just a regular you know fucking fat insecure kid you can definitely go back there yeah right like yeah so because when you realize what it takes to get there and you've

earned it you realize how easy it is to go back yeah and so you definitely don't run around acting all cocky and shit about it like look when that fat dude speaks inside me bro i get like my nuts shrink a little bit you don't say like oh no here he comes like fucking stay puff marshall man watching down the street you know walking down the street so yeah bro um it is sunday a lot of people are probably thinking about getting their shit together right now uh what would you say to them man yeah i would, I would say, why not go for it? I think all too often people, they focus so much on having a why, right? And I think that's obviously part of the deal, but here's the deal. Over the last eight years, I don't have a typical

why in the sense of most people, hey, I'm doing it for my kids, right? Or hey, I have a health concern that I got to do this for this, or hey, you know whatever right so it's like why not go for it right all too often in society you know people overemphasize i think hey you got to have a why you got to have some big like reason you got to have blah blah blah blah blah like i've always been more of the approach of like well i'm gonna fucking give it hell and if something down the road happens, well, all right, I'll deal with that then. Well, isn't a why, isn't the biggest why like, Hey, I want to kick ass in life. Yeah. Like, I mean, that isn't that as good of a why as any of them. I mean, that's why I do it. You know, like, that's why I do it. I do it consistently because

one, I feel better. One, I always feel the best that I do when I know I'm doing everything that I can do. So what really gets me with like depression, anxiety issues, which I've been very open about having is when I know I'm not doing what I should be doing and having the discipline to control that and actually do those things, understanding that it helps me find a better place mentally keeps me going. Right. And then you become addicted in a healthy way to improving. And then the ripple

effect of that like what about your friends what about your neighbor like bro i have friends who have stepped up and become better because of this and i also have friends that i don't really fuck with anymore because they chose to go this other way and i still love them they're good people but i mean this is a great i mean when you talk about why it's like i don't know like living the best fucking life you could possibly fucking live and knowing that like when you die that you did everything you fucking could to have an awesome life that's that's the why that's the why right no and i 100 agree with that and that's you know what i think and i think i misspoke is because i don't know i i i think on the other side it's like okay you know the why not it's like well fuck i already know

what it's like to be once again yeah where i'm at right now yeah why not fucking chase my potential right and the thing that you you know once again have taught me from you know eight years ago it's like you know uncovering your true potential and it's like fuck i'm gonna go for that right and i don't have necessarily what a specific is you said said, hey, where's the finish line? I don't know. I'm with you. I'm just going to go for it. You know, and I'm going to run really fucking hard at it and see where the chips fall.

Because at the end of the day, like you said, you can lay your head down at night and be like, fuck, yeah, I gave it my best. And I have a sense of pride in that. Yeah. And that's built over that time of those little decisions. Commitments. Absolutely. That's right, bro.

And your confidence goes up. Your belief in yourself goes up. Your ability to execute goes up because you know you can execute. Yep. And I would also say just even this time of year, starting tomorrow or starting today when this comes out would be something that sets you up for success because it's when most people struggle per se, right? It's when society tells you, you should gain a little weight, right? You know, have all the dessert. If you can fucking do it now, right? And make it a challenge for yourself. They're like, you know what? No, I'm going to take this on. I'm going to keep my commitment and I'm going to work through it. I'm

not worried about Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. Fuck, you'll handle those situations when you get to it because if you do it the right way, by the time you get to those decisions, you will have already started to build confidence in yourself. You have already started to build the ability to say no to that bullshit that you had been saying yes to. So you can't look at what you're going to feel or think six weeks from now. No, you make the decision right now. If you want to fucking get better, you say, yes, I'm going to get better and i'm starting today and then you attack that day And then by the time you get to those events that you build up in your brain You'll be stronger and you'll be better than you are right now

And you'll handle those and you'll be able to get through that and it'll build more fucking confidence And then by the time that happens you'll be into the new year. You'll fucking have 75 days of momentum You'll fucking kick ass you said a key word there, bro. Momentum. I think that's one of the key lessons that people who have truly live this program, um, the right way under start. This is what I always hear back, bro, is one of the most powerful skills that these people start to learn is how to create momentum on demand, which dude, what better skill could you have in life than to be able to

say hey man i i'm recognizing i'm off right now is when that's going to change that's a powerful fucking thing like if you could control that momentum and you could control that and flip it on when you realize that it's sort of dimmed off for a minute what actually can stop you you know what i'm saying like what can the only thing that can stop you is you it sounds cheesy right but the only thing that can stop you is you deciding that you want to stop and by the way sometimes it's okay to stop but it wouldn't you want that stop decision to be a decision and not something that you are just happen to fall upon because you made weak decisions you see what I'm saying?

Absolutely. Yeah. So what's your plans from here, bro? Well, I'm in for live hard now. So do phase one and then take my 30 days off, start phase two. Haven't really set a date yet with that because I'm so focused on, hey, one day at a time with phase one. But I know I'm going all the way through. So that's awesome. So what would you say to someone, man, who's thinking about, you know, they're hearing this and they're thinking, you know, I think this might be

something I need to do, but I'm not sure. What would you say? Fucking do it. Yeah. I mean, it's literally that plain and simple, you know, and I would, you know, I would challenge the people that, you know, might be more similar to me that think that they already are mentally tough or disciplined or have grit it's like okay well who says that you can't get better with that right and i built the fucking program and i get tremendously better every single time that's what i'm saying it's not a sales pitch like if it was a sales pitch there wouldn't be a billion hashtags of fucking 75 hard on the internet you know what i'm saying like the shit works yeah so if you're thinking about doing it If it was a sales pitch, there wouldn't be a billion hashtags of fucking 75 hard on the internet. You know what I'm saying?

Like the shit works. Yeah. So if you're thinking about doing it and you're one of these people who is already a successful person, these areas to your standard, I challenge you to raise your standard. With you. Yeah. Push yourself a little harder through the program. See what you get out of it. You know, one of my favorite things is every time i finish one of these cycles dude i am literally the fucking

best i've ever been at the oldest i've been you know i'm supposed to be getting worse getting tremendously better i can get jack man whooped everyone's ass around here in the transformation yeah and i mean there were some people that did good you know but uh i held my own yeah you know I think I asserted my dominance. So yeah, guys. So that's the show, all right? If you're interested in 75 Heart, first of all, bro, thanks for coming on, man. Hey, honored to be here.

Yeah, I want to bring you back on maybe when we have someone else who's done the program and just talk to them as well, because I, I just love the things that come out of these conversations about this pro because it's never the same, right? It's never the same things that we talk about with everybody. So I would like to have you back to contribute to some of those conversations in the future on that for sure. Yeah, absolutely. So guys, yeah, that's the show. If you're someone who's thinking about doing 75 hard, um, you can go listen to the web or listen to the podcast. It's a episode 14 on the relay feed. You can also go to 75 hard.com. Um, and if you have a story, if you've done the program and you want to be on the podcast, something that you want to share,

uh, it's 75 hard at Andy forlla.com. Okay. That's an email address. Type that in, tell us your story. Explain why you think you'd be a good fit for what we want to talk about and maybe we'll get you on. But you know, there's also a book too. It's on andyforsella.com, but you can hear about the program for free on episode 14. And the book just dives much, much deeper in. Definitely highly recommend the book, but you don't have to buy it. So, Will, where can people find you, man? Because I know people are going to have questions. They're going to want to talk to you. Where are you most active on social? Yeah, really just Instagram. And it's very simple. It's at will grumpy. So my first and last name. So W I L L G R U M K E. Yeah. And you guys should follow him too, man, because, uh, he's actually

one of my favorite follows just because of the stuff that he writes and his captions. Uh, so go to his page, check it out. Uh, give my man a follow and, uh, I guarantee you won't regret it. So yeah, guys, um, that's the show. I appreciate you guys. If you've got value out of the show, which I think you had to have this time, um, share the show, you know, uh, you don't necessarily have to post it. Posts are definitely awesome, but really more so more important. Share with your friends, the people who you think will get value out of it. Give them a text, you know, send them the link. We don't advertise for the show. I don't advertise on the show unless of course it's for my own children's books. Um, then I do it very, uh,

generously, but, uh, we spread on word of mouth guys. This is America. If we do a good job, if it's something that you thought was valuable, it's something that made you better. Give us a share. All right. Love you guys. Talk to you next time