REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 2. The Irishman, The Anomaly Zone, Etc.

Episode Date: February 22, 2020

This is the second official episode of Real AF with Andy Frisella. If you haven't listened to Episode 318 - "The End" - of The MFCEO Project podcast, do that now. That serves as the first episode of Real AF. 

I told my teacher, dumb bitch, I'm gonna get millions. Watch this. In the project living. Damn. Spoke it till existence. Wild out. Mode changed to 50. What up?

Got more cars than did. I only weigh 180, but my watch cost 250. Quarter. Slam. What is up, realists? Slam. This is your fucking show. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of our culture and society, and

welcome to motherfucking reality. I'm Andy Frisella. I'm here with my co-host, Vaughn, the pastor of disaster. You know him as the world's most interesting man, I think, sometimes. Sometimes. What else do we know you as? I don't know. You know.

You know, back in the day when- The spiritual guru for all those who are committed to excellence. Hey, there we go. That's a good one. Right now, I think. Paul and the Impaler. Depends on who's asking. Hey, how about this one?

The Minister of Mistletoe. I like it. Because it's Christmas time. It is. Yeah. Because these names, they have to be seasonally appropriate. Yes. And good things happen under mistletoe.

I heard that. I don't know if I've ever experienced that. You've literally never kissed anybody under mistletoe. Yeah. I heard that. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever experienced that. You've literally never- It's kind of like- You've never kissed anybody under mistletoe? No, man. It's, you know, when you're like me, it's kind of like mistletoe all the time. Well-

You know what I'm saying? So, like, it really doesn't make a difference. Girls just walk around carrying mistletoe in the hopes, well, you know, dashed hopes, of course, but- Well, I mean, you know, it comes with the territory. Not everybody can be, you know, 260 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. That's true. You know? That's true. Not everybody can be 260 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. That's true. You know?

That's true. Not everybody does that. But I get it. For the mortals, mistletoe is an appropriate thing. It gives us an excuse. Let's just roll with that today. You're the minister of mistletoe. Yeah.

Speaking of which, because we're talking about Christmas, when's the last time you got something for Christmas that just blew your mind? Like literally. Because I mean, you're a guy. You've been successful. You've got a lot of, you know. You know, man. You've got a lot of means.

So I'm thinking that the best gift you ever got was probably something you got when you were little. Dude, you know what, man? It's weird. Because, like, today, you know, today it is different, right? Because when you get to a point where you can do kind of whatever you want to do, you really start to learn to appreciate things that mean things you know what I mean and I'm fortunate enough to get that so much like I get it so much that I I feel bad saying this but sometimes I take it for granted you know what I mean yeah no I get it but those letters and the

things that people send me, like the little things, especially like a lot of guys will send me like if they're in the teams or something, they'll send me like their team coin or something like that. I like that. Those things mean something, man. You know what I mean? So it's not necessarily a Christmas thing. But I would, man, I don't know.

Like what did you play with? That's what, when I was a kid? Other than yourself. Oh, yeah. I don't know. What did you play with? That's when I was a kid? Other than yourself. Oh, yeah. I'm an expert at that. Trust me. Listen, I could write a book about that, brother. Nobody does me like me.

You know what I'm saying? So, here's the thing, dude. Dude, when I was a kid, I liked G.I. Joe. I loved G.I. Joe. And we didn't have the big ones like you had when you was a kid, I liked G.I. Joe. I loved G.I. Joe. We didn't have the big ones like you had when you were a kid. Dude, I wasn't born in 1940. Motherfucker. I know you had the two-foot tall ones.

No, I had the action figures, man. I had the medium ones that are like, I don't know, four inches tall or six inches tall, whatever the fuck they are. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. I'm just teasing. You're not that old. But honestly, though though You and I both

Played with G.I. Joes In the golden years Cause man Early 90s They started getting weird They started getting like Really politically correct Oh dude no

They had like G.I. Joe eco warriors Yeah What the heck No I had the dudes That like killed other people Yeah yeah Like I remember

Like I had like Snake eyes And I had Wild Bill Yep And then I had Monkey Ranch Monkey Ranch. Monkey Ranch was my favorite dude.

And dude, what I would do at Christmas, so we had this train set around our tree, an LGB train, which is a G-scale train. It's a big train. It's like the size, the cars are big. They're not like the little HO trains. I don't know where it came from. It came from one of my dad's friends. wasn't your favorite it is now i'm just kidding um no dude the uh the lgb train so i had this train set and i would like put my gi joe characters on the train right and then run the train and I would put my G.I. Joe characters on the train,

and then run the train, and I would create these little battle scenes of these dudes riding the train. You know what I'm saying? I'd make them hang off the train. And then in the summertime when it was fireworks season, I taped bottle rockets to their back and made them fucking jet packs and shit. That was the shit, man. Yeah.

I don't know if you remember this, but on the back of a G.I. Joe action figure, there was like a little screw, and you could actually unscrew it, taking them apart. That's what we used to do. We used to take the guys apart, and we would combine them with other guys and create our own characters. You can do that? Yeah, man.

It was awesome. I didn't know that. See, I never knew that. I just blew them up. Yeah. Well, I used to blow up army men. Yeah. You know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. Yeah. But know yeah that was fun yeah but uh but i think that was the coolest those were always cool man like i remember getting uh when i was a kid i remember getting uh uh like one of their vehicles it was called a havoc dude i know exactly what all right all right so i got one of those yeah it was the shit dude yeah that was the coolest that was like the black tank yeah it was like the black tank. Yeah, it was like a tank, but not really a tank.

Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, nothing replaces that kind of stuff. I don't even know what, honestly, I'm so out of it. I mean, I've got three little kids all under the age of six, so they're not really playing with popular toys yet, you know? Yeah. They're still young enough to where they're playing with pretty standard stuff, like dolls and stuff. So I don't even know what's popular these days like i don't know what

your nephew nephew plays with like enzo oh well he's pretty yeah he's pretty little he's like just like me and sal were um i just bought him uh the same lgb train that we had because sal posted on his snap uh that they had a piece of shit train so i went on amazon when i was fucked up and ordered like two thousand dollars worth of fucking train, so I went on Amazon when I was fucked up and ordered like $2,000 worth of fucking train shit. So that should be showing up here any day. That's awesome. Oh, man. But I felt like a kid buying it, bro.

I was like, oh, that was the one I wanted. That was the one I wanted. Oh, I wanted that one. And now this little fucker is going to have all the shit that I wanted. So hopefully we don't spoil them i feel like not to get off on this tangent but i do feel like so many toys these days are digital like they're they're video games i mean obviously we play video games there's nothing wrong with video games but i feel like kids don't play like they don't play army you

used to play army that's not cool anymore you can't do that no so you if you do that dude they send you home from school they They call the fucking police. You used to be able to go into Walmart. For some of you young bucks out there that don't know this, you used to be able to go to Walmart and you could get a plastic M16 that looked exactly like, or an AK-47. Bro, that was like the shit that I wanted all the time. Those were kind of gentler days. Like now they don't... It's not...

You can't do that shit no more. No. You know? You fucking... If you did half the shit that I did when I was a kid, they would call the fucking police. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

And we didn't do anything illegal. No. Like, the world is fucked up. You know? And, like, I get it, dude. You don't want your kid running around... ...learning how to kill other people. Well, fuck, man.

Let's keep shit, like, at least somewhat... Boys are boys. And you and I both are big supporters of the police department and you know law enforcement i understand also why they went to you know they started making those toys to where there was something about the toy that made it clear that it was a toy like it had a big red you know stopper at the yeah you know because what happened back in the 80s is yeah is you know you had little kids with toys and police officers thought they were real guns right i get that so that makes sense no no i get it that's reasonable i get it but i mean dude it's just crazy it's crazy to think how in my opinion how over corrected we are now yeah you know what i mean like yeah okay i get it like you probably shouldn't have bb gun wars when you're fucking nine years old like we did.

Like, we actually shot each other with BB guns. You know? Like, not fucking airsoft guns. Yeah. Like, you fucking kids out there wearing all that armor and shit with airsoft, you're a bunch of pussies. Yeah. We shot each other with fucking BB guns. It's so true.

You know what I'm saying? It's so true. Don't do that, by the way. I'm not condoning that. Yeah, no. Like, I'm extremely- Just say what we did. I'm extremely lucky that I have both eyes. Yeah. You know? But that's the stuffoning that. Yeah, no. Like, I'm extremely... Just say what we did. I'm extremely lucky that I have both eyes.

Yeah. You know? But that's the stuff we did. Yeah. You know, we were wild little kids. Well, speaking of guns, which is, of course, a very controversial topic, but speaking of guns... Not to me.

You and I both recently... Not to normal motherfuckers. Well, not to normal... That have a fucking brain. Yeah, that's true. But you and I both recently watched a movie that had quite a bit of guns in it, but that really wasn't the focal point of the movie. You and I, you were actually the one that told me about the movie.

Yeah. And it blew me away. You're talking about The Irishman. The Irishman. Dude. Yeah, we got to talk about that. Dude. I'll tell you this.

I'm not big on like the Netflix original things Like I've watched a couple And I'm like oh they're decent That one That Is this your first podcast there buddy? It's his first fucking rodeo Tyler's over there watching TikTok

Yeah he is So anyway I completely forgot what the fuck I was gonna say you're talking about you're not used to watching uh you're not necessarily big on the netflix original uh movies oh yeah no i you know they're okay they're good but man that that one dude come on deniro pacino fucking uh uh scorsese pesci you know, like, dude, it is. And it's good. Like, I told you, and I stand by this. I think it's the best movie that they've, like,

out of the Casino and the Goodfellas and all these other movies. And a lot of people are going to get pissed when I say this. But I think that's the best one. No, it's great. And I guess, you know, we'll do our best not to reveal too much in terms of spoilers. But if you've got Netflix, go watch that movie.

You've got to watch it. Just to give you a quick rundown, it's a combination of historical events and speculation. Scorsese makes it clear that he says these are based on historical events but there's areas we took liberties, we kind of speculated about what might happen.

But the movie centers around Frank Sheeran, who's played by Robert De Niro, and he's the actual Irishman. And for those of you who don't know, Frank Sheeran was an actual historical figure. He was a mafia hitman. He was also involved in the... He was really involved in the Teamsters he was really involved in the Teamsters and the

Unions back in the 60s. But, and I don't, I don't profess to know everything about this, but I think back in the 60s, there was some, there was some sort of connection between those two at different points where there was, you know, mobs were involved in Teamsters and Teamsters were involved in mobs. That's not to say everybody involved in the union was part of the mob. But anyway, the movie is basically about Frank Sheeran's life, and it follows his relationship with Russ Buffalino, who was from a crime family in the 60s,

and of course the major figure. And Buffalino is played by Joe Pesci just brilliantly, dude. Just brilliantly. Yeah. And Pesci actually retired, and he was done. Like, he walked away. Dude, it's totally different than his, like, typical role, too.

Yeah. Like, when I think of Pesci, I think of, like, how in Casino he was just, like, this fucking wild animal. Yeah. Like, in this movie we're talking about, look, dude, and if you don't want it fucking spoiled, you should probably go watch the movie and come back and listen. Yeah, go watch it and come back and listen to this. Because we're going to talk about it because there's some good stuff in it. But, dude, he just killed that role. Yeah, he did.

I mean, like he makes you like, you know, he makes you like scared. Yeah, yeah. But not in an aggressive way. No, absolutely. I was just telling this to a friend. He is such a brilliant actor that he literally somehow perfectly combined the gentle grandfather with the guy that you don't mess with or you're going to end up six feet under. It was just some of the expressions on his face.

But the other major character in the movie, and a huge part of the movie, is Jimmy Hoffa, played by Al Pacino. And again, for those who know about Jimmy Hoffa, he was a labor leader, like probably one of the most powerful and influential people, men in the 60s and the 70s. And he disappeared. And the movie kind of speculates as to why. The 50s and 60s. Was it 50s and 60s? Yeah, yeah. 50s and 60s. But anyway, so what we thought we'd do is, well, let me just, like, let's start just generally. Like, tell me your general thoughts about what you liked about the movie.

Just themes or ideas or. Look, man, you know, that was an era when business was done on honor and respect. You know what I mean? A lot of people don't understand that concept. You know, there was a time where there wasn't all these lawsuits and people saying, oh, I'm going to I'm going to blow you up on social media if they don't like you. Like, that's just not how shit was handled back then. You know, if you fucked with someone, you got dealt with. That was reality. And that was the way it was up until even in the 80s, you know,

where it was pretty consistent, at least around here in St. Louis. I know that was the truth. You don't promise in a handshake. That's right. And if you fucking violate it, you're in trouble. Yeah. And what's really interesting to me about that is that, you know, because I know.

I'm not saying you get killed. No, no. I'm saying, like, you might end up with a baseball bat to your fucking dome in your garage when you're not expecting it. You know what I mean? No, I totally... I think, and again, it's obviously clearly we're not glorifying the mob or organized crime. But I think what's really interesting about this movie and the culture that it portrays is that you have people doing some pretty horrible things, but there is sort of a code that you don't break, you know, a code of honor that you don't

break. Like there's an integrity involved, keeping your promises, you know, handshake, that sort of thing, being honest with each other. So it's kind of weird because, you know, you think about the different things that, you know, like organized crime weird because you think about the different things like organized crime or you think about even in some of the gangs. Even in the middle of all of that stuff that we would not agree with, there's some sort of note of honor. And it's really fascinating to me, dude. It's a fascinating aspect of human life that you could have a bunch of people who are otherwise doing things. Well, not everything that they were doing was bad. Dude, I think it's biblical if you want to really talk about

it because what it is is, you know, people are going to be like what the fuck do you talk, let me fucking explain here, Jesus, before I start, before you start getting pissed off. Alright? Look. You call me Jesus? No, I'm talking to everybody else who's going to be like

alright? This ain't that kind of podcast. I don't really give a fuck what you think. You call me Jesus? No, I'm talking to everybody else who's going to be like, all right? This ain't that kind of podcast. I don't really give a fuck what you think. Right. That was the old show. Yeah, right. So it's biblical, dude, right? You have a set of standards. You have a code that you live by,

and when you violate that code, bad things happen to you. That is the essence of the bible right you look wait listen it's an ideal it's a set of ideals a set of of beliefs of rules so to speak yeah that are imposed upon a certain culture to maintain order that is essentially what the mob is it's the same thing okay now people are gonna say why the fuck are you comparing the bible to mob i'm not comparing them i'm saying they're structured similarly right right so we're talking about you know a code that is enforced by the threat of bad shit and it keeps people aligned that's the that's society the reason we have so much disorder in society right now is because there's

no fucking fear that bad shit's going to happen. You know, when we get someone who commits one of these school shootings or one of these mass murders, the motherfucker may not even go to fucking death row. You know what I'm saying? Dude, if you want order, man, you got to fucking take that motherfucker. You got to make sure he's the right motherfucker. But when you know that he is, you got a film of this dude pulling the trigger or whatever he did. That dude should be executed in like 30 days. Right. You know, do process.

Make sure it's the right guy. DNA evidence says it's right. Physical evidence says it's right. Witnesses, blah, blah, blah. I understand there's exceptions. I understand there's right. Physical evidence says it's right. Witnesses, blah, blah, blah. I understand there's exceptions. I understand there's exceptions. But if you've got hard proof that someone did something, they need to be made an example of so that the rest of the people don't think that they're, because what's happening now is people think that if they get caught doing something, that it's the worst that's going to happen to them is they're going to go to some country club

bullshit prison and, you know, live out their days. That's not enough fear to keep people in check. That's the truth. You know, do-gooders want to argue this shit and say, oh, well, what if he did this? Or, and he was abused as a child, or he was under duress, or he had PT, the motherfucker hurt this person or did that person or did this or that. They need to be dealt with, right? You know, we fucking argue every day about, oh, how do we stop DWIs? How about this? Put a fucking law in place and you get caught driving drunk, you go to jail for a year.

Nobody would drive drunk. And you know what would happen? The cab companies, the economy, and all the shit that supports that lifestyle would fucking thrive, but why don't they do that? Why don't they do it? I know why. Because none of the lawyers will vote for it because they make all their money defending motherfuckers.

All right? So this is another, you know, this is what we talked about in the last episode where we have these ideals and these systems in play that don't serve society but everybody just accepts them you know what i mean yeah so i think the way things were run back then is a very relevant topic to dive into in terms of how society is run today you know you didn't do that shit back then. You didn't fuck with people back then.

People mind their own business. They did their own thing. They took care of each other. And if they did do bad shit, guess what happened? Bad shit happened to them. But we don't have that now. Kids get in a fist fight in a fucking school parking lot and they call the fucking cops. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, absolutely. fucking cops you know what i'm saying yeah absolutely like i'm not some violent fucking savage but like you got to have a way to keep people in check and right now they're not in check they're going fucking crazy you got all these criminals running around doing crazy ass shit because there's no fucking fear of what's going to happen to them whenever they get caught. That's the truth. Because you have all these fucking ultra fucking super liberal motherfuckers who are like sympathizing with people that don't deserve it. And before you raise your voice and say, oh, you're fucked up, dude, I'm a victim of violent crime. I fucking know what that shit's like.

Do you? Probably not. And I'm glad you don't But I'm going to tell you right now The dude who fucking stabbed me in the face He was out There was charges that were waiting to be pressed on him For him almost killing another man

With a baseball bat a few weeks beforehand What if they had actually Fucking enforced those charges And took care of that Instead of it being like Oh well we're not sure if this is worth blah blah blah You know what I'm saying actually fucking enforce those charges and took care of that instead of it being like oh well we're not sure if this is worth blah blah blah blah you know what i'm saying dude my life will be and i'm glad they did it because i'm glad it happened but the point is there's lots of

situations where somebody like me doesn't survive because of somebody like that you know what i mean yeah no i get it what i what i hear you, too, not that this was your main point, but maybe it was, is that historically we've always been a nation of laws. And we've been a nation where if you do this, this is what's going to result. If you break the law, this is what's going to happen. And I think there's no question, like, well, particularly in the Old Testament, there's a thing called the lex talionis, which is basically, modern translation would be the law of reciprocity, which is that if you kill somebody, the equitable justice for that is that that person gets killed. In other words, the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. What a lot of people don't realize is that that is not a prescription for vengeance.

That's a prescription for if you take somebody's eye out, the appropriate response is you get your eye out. Right. It was meant to be, in that original system in the Old Testament, it was meant to be a source of justice. But there's no question that there's a spiritual principle that's reaffirmed in the New Testament, which is, whatsoever a man reaps, so also shall he sow. Right. And what I feel like you're saying now is that we've gotten to a point where people want to break laws, whether it be legal, moral, ethical, whatever, and get out of the consequences. I don't know what people want.

Yeah. But I know this. I know that if you're a criminal and you know that if you fucking carjack someone and kill them, that there's a chance that you could be dead in 40 days, they fucking stop doing it. Right. People don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions. That's right.

And as a society- Well, they don't fear the consequences. Right. They don't fear the consequences. Right. They don't- So that's something I can respect about the way they did back then that's all i'm trying to say yeah no i get it i get it um well and on that level though like i said it goes back to what we're saying like here

you have a it's just a really complicated thing you have this this movie that's portraying these relationships within this organized crime syndicate and they they are not, on many levels, they are not good people and they are not doing good things. But man, there is virtue at different aspects in their relationship. And I tell you what, what I liked, and I'm curious about what you have to say, the themes that I thought that were really interesting in this movie were the themes of friendship and loyalty. Dude, before you even say that, I was just thinking. I saw a clip that was forwarded to me by a friend of mine who is a New York City cop.

One of my best friends. Sends me a clip of a person, this is a news report, the person had went, this guy had went in to rob a dollar store with a gun. And before he was able to get the money, the clerk, who was legally carrying a weapon, shot and killed this person. Okay? Then on the news, they show this person's family who got killed and they're saying he didn't deserve to get killed. He didn't blah, blah, blah. That's the problem I'm talking about with society. Motherfucker. How the fuck can you say that someone who walks into a store, pulls out a gun, sticks it in someone's face, and that person then defends themselves and kills this person

is not didn't get what they deserved that's exactly what the fuck they deserved and if you don't think so you're fucking delusional I'm just gonna say that right now we cannot have people running around doing this shit terrorizing regular folks because they feel like it's okay you know what i mean yeah that makes like that is not that and we have what we have now is we have a situation in our society where the there is a group of people who look at the one exception of the rule right like they'll pull like if you like right now i can already imagine what they're saying. Well, what about in 1972 when prisoner number 4776725, we found out that we executed him wrongly. Well, you should have done your fucking homework better then.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But that doesn't mean that we make the rest of society suffer because we made a mistake back in 1970. Right. You know what I mean? Right. And nobody's saying that it's not a mistake.

Everybody's saying it's a tragedy that it's not a mistake. Everybody's saying it's a tragedy if somebody's wrongly accused. That is a tragedy. It's a huge tragedy. But it doesn't change. But don't fucking alter the game plan

because you made one mistake. Learn from the mistake. Put systems in place to prevent that from happening. I'm pretty fucking sure it doesn't take 15 years for someone to figure out if they actually did these crimes or not. You know what I mean? Let's shorten that 15

year window into, maybe it's not 40 days, maybe it's one year, maybe it's two years, but let's make it short enough to where when people are pulling a gun out of their pocket to stick in someone's face, they're aware enough to know, well, this could be the end of my life in a very short time if I do this. It would make people behave differently. But we have too many people out there that sympathize with people and somehow justify their behavior because they've had zero taste of this in their sheltered little fucking fairy tale life. You see what I'm saying? That's the problem. We got Susie, Susie Homemaker, who's been raised in white upper middle class America,

who has never experienced any real hardship or had any run-ins with anything real out in the fucking street picketing for this motherfucker's rights no fuck you that dude don't have no rights you know what I'm saying that's how I feel but then again what do I know I'm only the victim of a fucking attempted murder you know what I'm saying what do I know so you don't like it i don't care no but i again i hear what you're saying and it goes down to we're living in a society that increasingly does not want to be held accountable whether it's breaking the law or you know it's entitlement bro right it's entitlement it's entitlement i deserve to have this sort of life because I was born right which

is the absolute fucking nonsense right some people are so entitled they don't even know they're entitled you know what I'm saying right right like they're so entitled they're ignorant like I get all these people all the time who are hitting me up and they're saying yeah fuck these these uh these kids they're so entitled. The millennials are so... No, it's not just the millennials. Where do you think they got that from? They got it from you, motherfucker. They didn't just come up with that idea. They watched you. A lot of the people pointing their finger at millennials should be pointing the finger at themselves. Who raised them? Who set that example? Dude, that's a great point and it's not in you and

i are getting a little older it's not just i think millennials are getting older i'm just saying it's not i think the millennials are actually starting to be the generation that's getting older i don't know what they call the kids in high school these days i think it's i think it's generation y but the point is is that yes you're right the dirty little call the fucking realist because that's what we're going to make them. That's right. We're going to generation real. But, but. That's, I like that. You like that?

Generation R. Generation R. Yeah. But really the, the, the dirty little secret that nobody wants to talk about. Everybody's so down on these kids. Well, who raised them? Who raised them? But that's the entitlement in itself.

And listen, I'm a, I'm a. Do you understand what I'm saying? No, I get it. And this is what I would say. I'm a parent. I'm not about to... I'm not quick to judge. Parenting's hard, and I'm not quick to judge other parents, but I will say this.

Both as a parent and as a guy that worked with kids for like 10 years as a youth pastor, are there good parents that end up having really crappy kids yeah it happens are there kids that end up being really great even though they had really crappy parents yeah it happens but by and large good parents produce good kids it's by and look you could i mean i totally agree and vaughn you can break every fucking thing down to general math if if we're being honest like if you raise if you do certain things with your kids your kids will turn out a certain way right if you do certain things in your career your career will turn out a certain way. The problem is people live in the

anomaly zone, so to speak, right? Like they take the one circumstance or the one situation where things like, for example, I run into this all the time because of the entrepreneur. Fucking whatever you want to call what I've done for the last five years, space. Like I call it the fucking, the circus. Okay. Doing the circus, I've sort of learned a few things about people. And one of the things I see that people do the most when it comes to

financial success is they will point at that one situation where, like, the person did everything right. They grinded out. They did this. They did that. And things still didn't work out. And they'll point to that anomaly and say, what about that guy? Well, here's my argument to that. You don't know the whole fucking story.

Because I could tell you because I do outside of maybe like Tony Robbins and maybe Gary Vee, maybe I've, I've, I've talked to more successful people than probably most people on the fucking planet. So I have a good reference of what the mentality is. And I could tell you this mentality of pointing at the anomaly as if it's the actual truth is a terrible disease that affects people. Absolutely. They look at, you know, the one situation where, oh, that guy did everything right and his life still sucked. And then what they do, they do, they do that to justify their own lack of action and their own thoughts and their own drive and their own unwillingness to do the actual work, right?

So because if they admitted that, okay, that's an anomaly, that means they have to admit that the reason they are where they are is just because they didn't do what they were supposed to do, which is a painful thing to do, right? Absolutely. What you're talking about is a tried and true principle in the history of the American political scene up until recently, which is that all the major philosophers, all the major political theorists always said exceptions make bad policy. You don't make policy based on the exceptions. You never do. Most American people, and I can't speak for the people around the globe,

but I'm saying most American people do that with their lives. Oh, absolutely. They make policy around the exceptions. Right. With their lives. But don't you think, Andy, we do this, I mean, people who don't really take time to think, we do this all the time in our own lives.

Like, we might, let's say you meet somebody and it's only it's the only person from poland you've ever met in your life and that person ends up being a total jerk well then you go around saying man all polish people all polish people suck i'll give you a real life example what's the reputation of french people uh snooty they're rude yeah dude i've been to france like 10 times i think they're some of the coolest motherfuckers I ever met. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, exactly.

But dude, I don't buy into people's rules about things. I like to experience things on my own. So like when someone says, oh, dude, first of all, they're going to tell you two, every time you go to France, they're going to tell you two fucking things. They're going to tell you one, the people are snotty and rude. And then they're going to say two two fucking things. They're going to tell you, one, the people are snotty and rude. And then they're going to say, two, the girls have long armpit hair. They're going to say those things.

The girls don't have good hygiene. Well, I can tell you that both those things are fucking lies. If I had accepted that, which is the stigma around France and their culture, I wouldn't have enjoyed myself the way I did

every time I went there. Right. You know what I mean? Right. And how many people miss out on their life because of bullshit that Joey and Tony and Bobby from the old neighborhood tell them about life when those three motherfuckers don't know shit?

You know what I mean? I totally agree. No, our whole American life these days is built on exceptions. You take an example. I mean, here's another example. You take an example of, let's say, a college football player who basically is a good kid, consistently day in and day out, lives his life completely appropriately.

Oh, but then they find out that at some point during his eighth grade year, he used a racial slur on Twitter. That's the exception, not the consistent tenor of his life. Right. And yet, what do people do? They fucking destroy him. They destroy him. Yeah.

They use the exception basically to draw- Like none of the motherfuckers who fucking are out there destroying them have ever done anything that they regret at fucking 12 years old. Right. But that's how we, that's how we get. Now I'm not excusing people's ignorance, obviously, but let's be fucking real. No, no. Every motherfucker listening right now, all of you have said shit in private that you

would not say in public. Oh. All of you have. Absolutely. Because you know that you would not say in public. All of you have. Because you know that you would be destroyed for it. I've never jumped on someone's bandwagon to tear someone down no matter what the fuck they did. Because I know that, you know what? I'd be a hypocrite if I did that. Because I've done shit when I was younger that I was embarrassed of.

I've done shit when I'm older that I was embarrassed of. Everybody does shit they was embarrassed of. I've done shit when I'm older that I was embarrassed of. Everybody does shit they're embarrassed of. And sometimes it's things that you don't like and don't understand. But what you should understand is that, dude, everybody's growing. Everybody's learning. And if you want people to actually get better, stop trying to destroy them for every fucking mistake they make. Like, dude, I cannot stand these motherfuckers on social media who make a name for themselves by just calling everybody out. Like, oh, I'm going to call it good. Fucking do it. I don't care.

I'm going to call you out. That's the weakest shit I've ever fucking heard in my life. And by the way, when you do that shit, let me tell you something. Eventually, someone's going to do it to you, and it's going to be a thousand times worse. So just remember that before you do it people you know I believe that karma is a real thing I'm not a buddhist or you know anything like that but I have seen in my life too much evidence to believe that it doesn't exist good things generally happen to good people this is

exactly what I was talking about a minute ago if you do good generally good happens you may not be a super billionaire and you may not be but you're gonna have a decent life you know I'm saying if you do bad your life's gonna suck it's pretty simple. I believe that. Do you believe that? Yeah, I do. Are there exceptions? Yes. Yeah, there are exceptions. I guess I would tweak that and just say, well, no, let me put it this way. If you, I mean, one of the reasons that I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible is that I believe that the principles in the Bible work. I mean, you treat people with kindness. You work hard. A lot of the things they talk about in the Ten Commandments, if you follow those, you form a character that ends up contributing to your overall success in life.

The only thing I would say, and I'm not trying to be an asterisk hole, is that I do think that the mystery of the universe is sometimes good things happen to crappy people, and sometimes bad things happen to good people. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but on balance, I agree with you. I'm not saying that bad things don't happen to good people. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but on balance, I agree with you. I'm not saying that bad things don't happen to great people because they do. Yeah.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying generally people who are good and attempt to do what's right generally have much, much, much less bad happen to them than people who don't do that. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think that's true. Yes. Yeah, no question.

I mean, yeah, for sure. I mean, again, going back to basic principles that not just in the Bible, but that are generally held by all religions, basic codes of morality. If you operate like that, again, you form virtue, you form character, and it guides your actions, and hopefully you're not creating problems for yourself. You're living life the way that it was meant to be lived. You know what I'm saying? Well, you just said it, bro.

Create problems for yourself. Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. And people do bad things, then problems appear, and then they look at God and they say, why do you hate me? Right. Bro, God hate you you hate you right you know i'm saying like do a little bit better and a little bit better shit's gonna happen you do a lot better and it's your life isn't gonna

turn around in one day right we're talking about but but in in six months or a year fuck i've seen it happen i have seen people completely transform their lives. Dude, I've seen people who were multi-multi-millionaires, kicking ass and everything, not living really that good, lose everything, change their life around and come back even better. I've seen it over and over. So I can't, you could point out all the little exceptions to that that you want to, but you're not going to convince me that karma isn't real. You know what I mean? I hear you.

So as you're talking, I'm just thinking about going back to the movie. We talked about how the theme is that your actions have consequences. You're held accountable for certain things. And then we sort of transitioned into just this discussion that, you know, the media, popular culture, we want to treat people like if they do something wrong, that just defines them, right? Like I use the example of the kid in the college football team or whatever. But what I love about this movie is it really does show that human beings are pretty complex creatures like all

of us have a really good quality to ourselves but i think we all have demons too and and i think and i think that's what i really liked about this movie is that, you know, sometimes when movies were made in the old days, you had the guy with the white hat, you got the black hat. Right. And I definitely believe in right and wrong and I believe in good and evil. But the reality is, is that sometimes the guy with the black hat was just presented in a way that he just wasn't human at all. Right. There was nothing laudable about him. There was nothing valuable about him.

And what I love about this movie is that it just shows the complexity of human beings, whereas you have these gangsters. Some of the scenes where Robert De Niro's character has to kill somebody and you can tell he's wrestling with it. He didn't want to. He was wrestling with it. He had guilt on his

face. He was wrestling with his conscience. You know what? It's hard to do the right thing sometimes. you know what it's hard to do the right thing sometimes it is it's hard to do the right thing sometimes and and sometimes when people are actively doing the wrong thing they know it right they know they're doing the wrong thing and it's and it creates a tension in their heart and um i tell you one of my favorite scenes and this isn't really like a spoiler but one of my favorite scenes is when so russ buffalino is basically the mentor of robert uh deniro's character um frank sheeran and on frank's birthday russ gives him a ring and there's this moment this moment of friendship between them where russ is basically saying there's only really three rings like this that exists in the world and i'm giving

you one of them and it's you could tell there's this like fatherly, I don't know. It's really part, like for a man, it's really powerful to look at. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, I don't know if we, well, that's a lesson. That's a lesson, man. Cause sometimes when people work to make you real part of something, they're going to ask you to do something real hard to earn it. Right. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly. But, um, no, but it just, it just, it's just a reminder that like, you know, like you said, you're not in a hurry to to pile on to people who make mistakes. I think the older I get. Listen, there are politicians that I can't stand. There are sports figures that I don't agree with their politics or I don't agree with their worldview. There are there are any number of people that I don't agree with their politics or I don't agree with their worldview. There are any number of people that I don't agree with and that drive me nuts.

But the older I get, dude, the more I realize, man, nobody's all bad. Dude, look. Nobody's all bad. If you find yourself as part of one of these angry mobs running around, it's a pretty good indication that you're a sheep. Yeah. That's the truth. Absolutely.

Like, if you find yourself in the middle of a fucking, you know, torch and pitchforks and we're fucking getting them let's go get them if you find yourself in that and you're like commenting on people's shit with that and you've got that mob mentality you're sheep yeah it's the truth now i'm not saying there isn't times where people are wrong and you're gonna say they're wrong but just just to be in it, to be in it, you're fucking sheep. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I agree. But it's kind of the paradox of what it means to be human.

And I'm talking either way. No, no, I get it. Well, I mean, a perfect example, we've already talked about it, I think. Maybe we never talked about this, but that big flap recently where Ellen went to a game with George W. Bush and people were like, ah, I can't believe that Ellen's friend with George W. Bush and George W. Bush is friends with Ellen. And they're going crazy. And like all the like really radical gay people are like, he's a conservative Republican. How could you dare be friends with the enemy?

And of course, all the radical Christian conservatives are like, George, how could you be friends with a lesbian? You know? And it's like, you people are nuts. You're insane. You honestly don't think that we can recognize the differences that we have? It's lack of awareness. It is. You know what I'm saying? They don't teach you that shit.

They don't teach people to become aware. You know, just because you accept someone for who they are doesn't mean you have to that you have to agree with everything they do or say you know we have this thing in society right now where like if you don't agree with the way someone lives you got to hate them right that's just not that's not right you know what i mean like there's a lot of people i'm friends with well i don't agree with everything they do i mean honestly a lot of people like a lot of my friends yeah they're actually the most interesting friends i have because you know what we have real conversations you know what i mean like how much are you missing out on in life by just living inside your own little fucking bunker of judgment you're not just

living you're not just missing out dude what you're really secretly saying is that deep down i'm not really certain about my beliefs enough that i want to get around people that might challenge them yeah that's true that's what they're saying yeah they're saying I'm not really certain about my beliefs enough that I want to get around people that might challenge them. Yeah, that's true, man. That's what they're saying. They're saying I'm not secure and confident that what I believe is actually true. So I'm just going to surround myself with everybody who agrees with me. Vaughn, we don't have, like, look.

Look, I mean, unless it's under the context of comedy, you really can't say anything anymore without people getting pissed. No. And even under the context of comedy. Yeah. Jerry Seinfeld said that he was no longer going to go to college campuses because people were so. They're ridiculous. He can't say anything without people getting bent out of shape. Those people are going to have a hard time making it in real world.

Yeah. Because guess what? You're going to have to work with fucking black people. You're going to have to work with white people. You're going to have to work with gay people. You're going to have to work with fucking black people. You're going to have to work with white people. You're going to have to work with gay people. You're going to have to work with fucking trans people. You're going to have to work with all different kinds of people. And if you can't tolerate that, then you're fucked because that's reality.

You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, there is a lot of people in my network that don't necessarily share my exact same beliefs about the world right okay cool we can still have some beers right you know what i'm saying like we could let's talk about it i don't you know like dude i just wish people were more uh able to have real discussions without having to attack other people. You know, that's a big thing on social media culture, right? Like it's not, how many people do you see comment like this? Hey man, I see what you're trying to say, but I always kind of thought of it like this. What do you think about that?

Like you don't see that. What do you see? Dude, you're a fucking asshole. Right. Fuck you. You're a moron. Unfollow. Good. Yeah see that. Yeah. What do you see? Dude, you're a fucking asshole. Right. Fuck you. You're a moron. Unfollow. Good.

Yeah, right. Good. Thank you. See you, bitch. Yeah. Like, I don't care. But that's the point, you know? Like, we have this culture now that can't even communicate on a regular level.

Yeah. Like, hey, dude, I get it. You're different. I'm like, how boring would it fucking be if everybody shared the same beliefs? I mean, God,

you know, I get it, man. It's exhausting. Like, it is exhausting. It's exhausting. It is. Everybody here knows what I'm talking about.

Like, it's exhausting to go to a party now. Why? Because you're going to have those two fucking drunk motherfuckers that think they know everything about everything, pushing their shit onto you the whole time. It happens every time. It does. Every fucking, you know why I stay at my house? Because I don't want to go out and deal with those two motherfuckers who are going to drink. You know, it's dude, it's Susie mom minivan. The person I'm talking about here, they're going to drink a gallon of fucking wine and then they're going to

tell you all about the real world when they haven't done fucking shit. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't want to hear your fucking point of view. You're a moron. Right? The other thing that they do is that they try to find, like, if you're saying something that challenges them and challenges the way they think. You're attacking them. Well, not just that. I'm telling you because I've dealt with this a lot. They'll try to find something about you that they find objectionable

so that they can therefore disregard everything you say. Right. And this happens all the time. I know what you're talking about. This happens to me all the time. I fucking write all the time. I don't know what you're talking about. This happens to me all the time. I fucking write children's books. I don't have any kids. So people say,

who the fuck do you think you are? You don't have any kids. Well, you know what, motherfucker? I've raised more kids than you'll ever fucking raise. Right. Because I've raised thousands of fucking 17 to 20-year-old kids inside my company. And I've had to fix all your stupid shit.

So yeah, I have had a pretty good, I have a pretty good perspective on how the fuck you're doing things. And by the way, you're the reason I don't have any kids. Right. Cause I don't want to have to spend all my time in the fucking, uh, what is it?

The fucking, uh, carpool line talking to you about the neighborhood fucking bull. I don't give a shit. Right. You know what I mean? Right. I want to talk to you. Right. Oh, Andy, you think you're better than everybody? No, I don't give a shit. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Like, I don't want to talk to you.

Right. Oh, Andy, you think you're better than everybody. No, I don't. No. I just don't want to talk to your fucking stupid ass. Right. Right. Well, I saw some girl railing on social media the other day about Plato,

you know, the philosopher Plato, who's writing. I thought you said Plato. No, Plato. I'm like, break it the fuck out, man. So, the philosopher Plato. Let's make. Break it the fuck out, man. So the philosopher Plato... Let's make some snakes. ...who's so many of his... So many of his writings are like foundational

to the ideals of Western culture and government and philosophy and all this. But you know what she was saying? Oh, he's a misogynist. Because in one passage, he said that a man should rule over a woman. Okay, so here's, here's the reality. So he was wrong on that point. It doesn't make everything he said suspect, but

I did a little research and that's what's happening on college campuses. You have feminist professors who are basically saying, Oh, Plato's a misogynist. We can't listen to anything he said because I don't really hated women. I don't understand the whole feminist thing, to be completely honest. Like, I don't really. I've tried to ask about it, and the responses I get are so out. I can't grasp it because they always say the same thing. We're for women. Okay, I'm for women, too.

Like, I guess I'm a feminist. Like, I don't. I love women more than men. Like, I don't love men. I do. I do love women more than men. Like, I don't love men. I do. I do love women more than men. You know? No offense,

guys. But like, let's be fucking real, man. Like, yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Like,

finding one thing objectionable. Well, it's like, we do it all the time. You know, I'm sorry, I'm picking on the left because this is,

the left is responsible for this. But it's like, the professor, the university professors are the talking heads they find out that like one of our presidents you know own slaves or or one of them was you know fill in the blank and so suddenly suddenly we say because of that everything about this person is suspect everything about this person is suspect. Everything about this person should be rejected. Bro. And I just think it's ridiculous. Bro. I live in Ulysses S. Grant's fucking house.

Yeah. Motherfucker owned a couple slaves. Yeah. Then he freed them. Right? Right. Then he went on and fucking won the Civil War for the North, which freed all slaves. But there's probably somebody.

Every time someone hears that, they go on Wikipedia and they say, did you know he owned fucking slaves? I'm like, did you know he freed them all? Like, what the fuck? You know, like sometimes people do shit and they realize, holy fuck, this isn't a good idea. And here's what even further point is. Sometimes you got to do that shit that's not a good idea to know it's a bad idea. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, people... I don't even fucking get this line of thinking. Or sometimes you're just part of a time period or society where people just didn't know. And I always laugh. Well, I'm just saying, like, should you fucking discount everything else the man did

because when he was younger... They would say yes, and that's what I'm just saying like should you fucking discount everything else the man did because when he was when he would say yes and that's what I'm saying like wait so how can you do that like how can you look at someone and say they this dude owned slaves in his 20s then he freed them all but he's a piece of shit. Right. How do you know that he just wasn't brought up to fucking think that and then had a realization that, holy shit, this isn't right? Yeah. And then decided to do good with it,

which is exactly what the fuck happened. Dude, this is what's so weird about modern society. I'll tell you exactly how you do that. And it happens on the far right with really, really fundamentalist Christian conservatives, and it also happens on the far right with really, really fundamentalist Christian conservatives. And it also happens on the far left with the social justice warriors. And it happens on all sorts of different segments of society where people have very, very strong views on something. You know what happens? They are so myopic in how they see the world that they see everything

through their cause. And they look at some person and they say, that person disagrees with something I believe. And they aren't, I hate this because it's an overused phrase, but they aren't self-aware enough to know, you know what? I could be wrong about some things. I could be doing things that really, in hindsight, are really horrible things. They don't have the humility to say to themselves, you know what? But what it is, it's self-righteousness. And it's ironic because it happens, the social justice. What does the Bible say about this?

Oh, God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. It says this. What did Jesus say about throwing stones? Oh, let he who is sinful cast the first stone. Right. Yeah. People don't listen to that. No, they don't.

They don't. And by the way, because I think it's important to make this statement, because people, and I know you weren't doing it, but people do this. People take that passage in scripture, and they then conclude that you can never speak truth to somebody. No. No, you can. Truth is love.

You just can't do it in a way that says i condemn you you're worthless you can't you're a piece of crap you can't bury people's lives because they made a fucking mistake that isn't like dude look i know that's contradictory to what i'm saying about like when someone hurts someone you fucking hurt them back i believe in that but i also believe that there's very few mistakes that should be life ending. And that's what people want. They want to, they want to take the exception to someone's life and they want to fucking bury them with it. That is not okay. It's not okay. And that's, and that, you know, dude, I have people here that work in my building who have been in prison. they've been in prison they're

felons i hire them you know why i hire them because i believe that there's fucking why should someone not be able to work because they made a fucking mistake when they were 20 years old that's not okay i agree you know what i mean i agree that's the point of prison like the motherfucker paid his fucking dues he deserves a second chance if he's a good person you know and too many people are not willing to do that like dude you know how hard it is for a fucking felon to get a job it's hard it is hard hard but some of these dudes just made stupid mistakes, man. Not all of these guys are like hardened criminals that like ran a fucking cartel and shit. And like, it's just, dude, we just need a little bit more. We just need to step back as a society and say, Hey man,

all right. Am I perfect? No, I made mistakes. I've done shit. Like, would I want my shit to be posted on social media like that? No, I wouldn't. So let's not do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I don't agree with something you said or something you do, I'm going to respectfully address it. It's interesting because what I feel like this conversation is saying is that we need to all as a society learn how and when to hold people accountable and how and when to give people a break. That's a tension that's kind of hard. There's no black and white. What's that?

There's no black and white to it. It's a nuance. You know what I'm saying? It takes a little bit of finesse to negotiate those things, and people don't understand that. They want everything to be yes or no, but when they look inside their own lives at their own actions, they're very few of your own actions or thoughts are yes or no. There's a lot of different things in between that go into those things and people forget that. Right. Um, and ultimately, yes, I agree that people should be in control of their bodies and their minds and their, and,

but that's a process as well. And it awareness and so what we're talking about here is really just lack of awareness on fucking everybody you know and i don't know i think people i think people are getting tired of it i think just like us like we're talking right now the more and more i talk to people the more and more people are just so sick of this shit that we're getting fed and getting forced down our throats. You know, you go around the real world. There's not there's not like this crazy fucking tension between everybody. It's not real. It's just it's fake shit.

They want you to believe so that you watch. Right. You know, and it's sad because, dude, it's hurting people. It's hurting society. It's hurting society. It's hurting culture. And it's making, I don't know, it's making people feel like they're really suffocating. Because now you can't even express yourself unless you're expressing yourself under a certain narrative that fits the media's narrative. And if you don't express yourself in that narrative, then all of a sudden you're the devil

and they're going to use their power to flex on you. And this goes from traditional media, social media, you know, it's that whole mob mentality. You know what I mean? Dude, it happened to me. It's happened to me before on social where people have, you know, I said something on the podcast, the old podcast,

or I said something in the podcast the old podcast or i said something uh in a status or a story and then you know somebody takes it to their little focus group way over here and then they get all their friends to come over and fucking try like dude fuck off with that shit like that shit is over nobody's scared of that shit no more you know what i'm saying i i agree i think more and more people are just going to say, like, listen, if people are going to get up in arms about everything, then I'm not going to really worry about what I say. You know what I'm saying? That's right. Yeah.

I think more and more you're going to have. Well, that's a big part of why we're even doing this show. Yeah. Because when we were doing the old show under the business context, I would say certain things and I'd have people fucking hit me up and be like, well, I don't really agree that that's how you should be living. Well, you know what? I don't give a fuck how you think I should be living. I don't really care. I'm doing what I think is best and I suggest that you do the same.

You know what I mean? And in business, people do this shit where they try to leverage you. Oh, I won't be a customer. Okay. Don't be a customer. I don't give a fuck. The ones who are here, yes, I love you. If you're not going to be that, cool.

I respect that too. But I'm not a role model for your fucking kids, man. I might write some kids books because I have some shit to say, but that doesn't mean they should be doing everything I fucking do, and I wouldn't want them to. I don't want these kids to talk like I talk. I can't help the way I talk. Yes, I could improve the way I talk if I want to.

When I'm around your mother and your grandmother, I'll keep my mouth clean. I'm capable of that. But you know what? This is who the fuck I am. That's how I speak. And any motherfucker that'll tell you in real life that that's how I am. That's how I speak when I'm on stage. It's how I speak here. And it's how I speak at home. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Well, it's people that don't understand that there's always a context to things. If somebody were to ask me, do you believe in the Bible? I'd say yes,

but there's stories in the Bible I'm not going to read my kids right now because they're not old enough for it. You mean like Revelations? Yeah. And scare the shit out of them? Yeah, right. Dude, when I was old enough,

when I learned how to read, I went right to Revelations. Yeah, man. I'm like, dude, check this shit out. But I mean, there's some pretty graphic stories in the Old Testament. You know what got me to read it?

The movie Ghostbusters. Oh, stories in the Old Testament. You know what got me to read it? The movie Ghostbusters. Oh, yeah, that's funny. You know when they're going across the bridge in the car, and one of the dudes is like, it's Revelations when the moon turns to blood, and I'm like, damn, I've got to read about this shit. I went and opened it up, man. I read that shit.

It was the first thing I ever read in the Bible. Fun fact that most pastors know. Does that make me fucked up? No, it doesn the Bible. Fun fact that most pastors know. Does that make me fucked up? No, it doesn't. But fun fact that most pastors know. If you really want to draw a crowd, preach on revolution. Because everybody wants to come listen to what revolution has to say. It's crazy.

It's like the craziest fucking zombie movie ever. Yeah, it's apocalyptic literature for sure. It's a hard one to understand. No, man. I don't know. Let's talk about, without giving away too much, let's talk about the ending of that movie. Okay.

What about it? Well, you had two guys that did some pretty horrible things. And I think the implication is that they ended okay. They ended well. Kind of made their peace with God type of thing. Hey, man. Look, this is why core values are so important. Yeah.

Right? Like, you have to know what you stand for. And you have to know what you believe. And you have to know who you are and what you have to know what you believe and you have to know who you are and what you're willing to do and not do. And at the end of the day, if you've lived a life that's congruent with those and it's not necessarily, it doesn't necessarily have to be society's rules. It could be your rules. You know what I mean? Now, if you go and break the law, you're going to have to pay the consequences. But there's lots of people that don't even understand the idea of having a value system drive their actions.

They're just kind of running around like crazy. So I't know the way I took the end was like hey man this dude lived his code he lived what was it may not have been the police's code it may not have been the United States code and it certainly wasn't but he lived true to himself and at the end I think that's why he found peace you know and that's what we talk about right like in society right now living true to yourself people don't know what that's what we talk about right like in society right now living true to yourself people don't know what that means like what do you think that means well I think in the movie there's dude I'll say this bro you know why I got tired of doing the whole podcast because I felt like I wasn't being true to myself that's the truth I felt every time I sat down, I felt like I was saying things I already said. I felt

like I was doing it for really my own ego at that point. If I continued to do it, it definitely would have been that. And that's not what's important. You know what I mean? What's important is I feel the need to contribute. Now, once I don't contribute anymore, then I will pull myself out of that game. So I feel like I contributed as much as I could in that space. And now we can, I can be more true to myself. So when I'm sitting here talking as Andy, not as the MF CEO, I'm happier. Even though I know for sure there's going to be a lot more people that are like, fuck you, Andy, because of the things that we're talking about. But I'm okay with that.

Yeah. You know? No, I hear what you're saying. I guess I, you know, I feel like at the end of the movie, there was some recognition on the part of both of those guys that they hadn't done everything right. You know what I'm saying? I think they knew that the whole time.

Oh, I think they knew it. But I think that's part of the reason I think that they were at peace at the end. That they just kind of came to the conclusion, they realized that they had done some wrong. Yeah. And they were owning up to it. Yeah. and they were owning up to it. But I think what I thought, here's where my mind went, is that I've met some people over the course of my life

who their whole life, you know, from the standards of, you know, religion or whatever, they would say that they did everything right. They followed all the Ten Commandments. They, you know, were squeaky clean little people and they were, you know, button-up shirts and sweater vests and had their hair parted on the side and they just never did anything wrong. And I feel like those kinds of people look at guys like that and they go, wait a minute. They were a gangster. They killed people. They did horrible things. They shouldn't end their life in peace

like that. They shouldn't, they shouldn't be, they should, they should be in jail, like rotten away. They should be killed by firing squad or whatever. And what I, what I say is I say, no, I, I think God is really merciful. Like, I think he's really gracious. I mean, that's the whole point. That's the message I like to communicate with my life is that when we recognize that when we humble ourselves and we recognize that we haven't done everything, everything right. Uh, there's forgiveness and there's redemption. And that's kind of what I saw at the end there is I saw those guys go, yeah, I kind of royally screwed up. Well, don't you think that setting yourself up against a standard that is unachievable in terms of quote unquote holiness is a reflection of an inflated ego in the first

place? I think so. I think the people that, I think the people that are really, uh, we'll use the word holiness. I think the people who are really, yeah, use the word holiness, I think the people who are really holy. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no. But I think there's a difference between people who seek to be, quote unquote, holy just because they want to look good to other people. And then there's the people who seek to cultivate virtue and holiness in their life simply because they love God and they love other people. You know, I mean, that's really what the Scripture says. Jesus was asked, what's the greatest commandment? He says, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

And so the people who are truly holy are the ones who are loving, and they're motivated by love. They're not motivated just to look good to other people. Well, and you can tell the difference because— Or to feel good about you can tell the difference because the people who are trying to look good are the people who are also judging most people for not being as holy as them oh 100 they're the ones sliding into my dms telling me what that's like that screenshot i shared with you last week where i you know like the guy's so fucking stupid he doesn't realize that the whole mfco project is based around fucking the bible you know i'm saying like the lessons in there are biblical they're just in a real way like he

missed the whole point yeah well i'm guessing he yeah he but what did he say assumptions about you oh yeah bro of course yeah what's your intention behind all of that you're rich you like dude you know what man you know what the what the fuck is the Ten Commandments? Thou shall not judge. You know what I'm saying? No, I tell you what, man. Who the fuck are you to be in my DMs telling me how much I do? He was like, well, what do you do for this person?

Or what do you do for that person? It's like, that's really none of your business. Like, why don't you worry about yourself? Right. You know? Because a real person, they'll accept you. You know, Jesus fucking hung out with prostitutes, bro. Like, you know, he hung out with people who were criminals.

Yeah, for sure. He didn't condemn them for the life they live. What he did was he tried to show them through his own life a different way. Right. You see what I'm saying? And that was, well, think about it. But that's hard work. It is hard work.

That's hard work. It's hard work to show people with your life what the Bible and what that set of values is supposed to be. It's much easier to point your finger and say, look at you. You're not as good as me. Right. It's a lot easier to do that. It's a lot easier. And listen, dude, I mean, it's, it's again, you know, way back when we started the other podcast, which we're not going to talk about the other podcast a lot, just like you don't talk about your old girlfriend a lot, but, uh, but way back when we first started, you know, you were the one who started calling me the

pastor of disaster. I never really made a big deal about it. I wasn't going to make a big deal about it, mostly because, dude, I've always been kind of really sober-minded and kind of scared about holding myself up as some sort of spiritual role model. And it's because the older I get, the more I understand. Frankly, I don't get people who spend all their time pointing fingers at other people because I'm like, I know I am so aware of my own shortcomings and my own failures. Like, I got to take care of my own stuff. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's a whole other topic, brother.

Yeah. Like, that's a whole other topic. By the way, that's not to say I do believe there is a place for calling people to up their game. And I think there's a place. Yeah, but there's a way to do it. But you're do believe there is a place for calling people to up their game. And I think there's a place. Yeah, but there's a way to do it. But you're right. There's a way to do it.

Instead of saying, explain yourself to me like you're the fucking Inquisition. How about this? How about, hey, man, I really appreciate what you're doing. I think you're doing a lot of good. Have you ever thought about these and these things? Or what's your take on that? Like, isn't that a more reasonable way to communicate? Yeah.

Then I'm saying, and then instead of me saying, instead of me screenshotting it, sending all my friends and saying, look at this dumb motherfucker. Right. I'm actually responding back and saying, well, you know what, brother? Here's what I think. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Asking questions. That's it. By the way, you're not going to be surprised to know that if you looked at the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and you highlighted all the verses where Jesus is asking questions. How many curse words are in there? Not too many. Maybe ass. There's a few though, right?

Scubida? Scubula. No, that's in Paul's letter to the Philippians. Scubula. Yeah. That means bullshit, right? It means, yeah. It's a slang term.

It's a colloquial reference to feces. Yeah. So you don't want one of them scubula sandwiches no i've made a few of those in my life yeah uh there's another great well we won't get off on that tangent let's start that hashtag scubula sandwich yeah right but no um no but if you if you go through the the how funny are we today? Make sure you talk about it. I don't know. We've been funny at different parts.

Yeah, that's true. Tell everybody we're going to be funny. We're going to be super funny. All right. Yeah. Super humorous. Um, no, but if you, if you go through the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you, you highlight all the times that Jesus actually asked people questions.

It's literally dozens and dozens of times. Like that's, I think the key of anybody who really wants to influence and make an impact on people. Listen. Ask questions. Doesn't mean that there won't be a time for you to drop the truth on them. That's right. Because obviously we drop the truth on people. But you've got to listen.

You've got to figure out where they're coming from. Because how can you even talk to people if you don't know where they're coming from? Yeah. So, no, man, I. I think people even, like, I could tell you for me'm just because I mean, I can only speak for me. But I could tell you that lots of people completely misunderstand the context of what I'm about. Yeah. Completely missed it. Yeah. They think like when I post shit, I'm doing it to flex and I am a little bit.

Let's be real. But the truth truth is is that I'm actually trying to show people that a stupid motherfucker like myself can actually build something kind of cool if you're willing to pay for it right you know what I mean right um so I don't know man like I feel like people just don't I guess you said it man they just don't fucking listen or think they don't, I guess you said it, man. They just don't fucking listen or think. They don't. They're so quick to jump in. Everybody wants to talk. Yeah, man.

Yeah. Oh, fuck. And I tell you what, that little clown circus in the entrepreneur space is full of that shit. Oh, my God. Like, dude, I can't even. It's just an ego fest is what it's turned into. You know, who can yell the loudest? Who could say the most catchy shit?

You know, that's not even catchy. Like, you know, and who could speak the most confusing shit to people that makes them ask questions so they get more engaged? Like, it's just, it's just ridiculous. You know, hey, let me confuse people so I can get more engagement on my post. Let me say what people are hot on right now so I can get more engagement on my post. You got motherfuckers who have never even built something from zero telling everybody how they should do it when they don't even fucking know. You know, it's just a joke. It's a fucking joke.

I'm glad we're not doing that. I agree. Well, this is going to be fun, especially since, you know, I think the other thing that I like about the way that we do things, I don't think the people that you just referred to, the circus, when they make a genuine bona fide mistake, they don't admit it. Oh, because their egos are too big. Yeah. And I remember about a year ago, I said something offhand in the podcast, and it was factually untrue about something the Bible teaches.

I just misspoke. Yeah. And somebody really took me on on that. And I think they expected me to dig in and defend. And I was like, oh, dude, you're right. Yeah. I shouldn't have said that. Yeah.

My bad. Yeah. I'm not pulling it down. Dude, I had a dude. I had a dude. I had a guy we both know reach out to me yesterday in DMs and he said, hey, man, I watched your story. Let me tell you why you're wrong. And I read it. And at the end of it, I thought about it for a minute and I just responded back.

I said, you're absolutely right. Thank you. Yeah. Because he was. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? People don't know what to do with that yeah like oh no you want to fuck like dude I'll give you a little hint guys you want to this was a this was a genuine

person who I really appreciate their feedback but you want to fucking fuck with people just agree with them yeah like dude no dude you want people to fucking stop hating on you or talking shit to you just agree with them and forget about it. Like, you'll save so much energy. You're right, dude. Your Aunt Linda at fucking Christmas time telling you you're a dumbass for starting a business. You know what, Aunt Linda? You're probably right. I'm sorry.

People just do not know what to do with that. Then hand her a fucking glass of wine and tell her to shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Dude, it's just, come on, man. What else is going on in the world, bro? Because I don't really even know. I've had my head fucking down. Well, I don't know if this is what you were referring to,

but Alabama lost again. Did they? They did. To who? They lost to... Was it LSU? Was it LSU? Well, they lost to LSU,

and then they lost to somebody else recently. So they've got two losses. I forget who they lost. Oh, Auburn. They lost to Auburn. So, yeah, man. So now everybody's going to be like, Nick Saban. Fire him.

Fire him. He's a fraud. That's a whole other thing. No, but it's true. Dude, how many of these dumb fucking athletic directors out there are firing coaches because they lost one or two games and it's like bro you you don't realize what you have like you got a fucking Clydesdale there yeah and you just trade him in for a fucking donkey yeah you know because you because the press was putting pressure on you fuck the press yeah

well I think it's interesting I actually sort of have a long-standing appreciation and respect for the University of Nebraska, their football program. But way back in what, like 2000 or 1999, I forget when, they fired Frank Solich for going 9-3. Yeah, now look at him.

Right. And literally, I mean, they had some good years under Bo Pelini for a little while, but basically Nebraska's never been the same. No. Ever. So it's always interesting to some, you know, to your point, karma. That's right. I mean, to some extent. You know what?

I'm sorry, you don't fire a 9-3 coach. Even if you're at a place like Nebraska. You don't. You know what? I don't think so. Not on, not on his, I mean, if he did something outside of the code of ethics

or what you expect. Right, right, right. But I mean, like performance, no. Yeah. Not in today's day and age. That's just people entitled. College football.

That's entitlement. We're entitled to fucking be undefeated every single year. Right. No, you're not. Right. That's why we compete. Sometimes you execute, sometimes you don't.

I don't see that how that, you know, now if you have a coach who was undefeated for seven years in a row and then they went fucking, you know, two and fucking 11, now we're talking a different story. What's going on? You smoking crack, bro? Right. You know what I mean? You better start drug testing people.

Right. But I'm just saying, people are fucking crazy. Exactly. Now, I will say, I don't want to assume. What is this? We're talking about common sense here.

We're talking about the lack. We're talking about an absence of logic. Like, where the fuck is the logic? There is none. What is this? We live in this highly emotional crazy world that is just like it's insane right and people are depressed they're fucking killing themselves they're killing other motherfuckers like dude insert a little bit of logic like if you do this

this is gonna happen if you don't do this, this is going to happen. Like, it's real simple. Right. People just make it so, so emotional and crazy, and it's just, dude, it's crazy. Like, it's crazy. But hopefully people will

continue to tune in and get a little break from the craziness by listening to us. Yeah, where are we at anyway? Well, you're crazy. Fuck yeah, I'm crazy. Yeah. I'm a little crazy.

Oh, yeah? You're so crazy, bro. I am. You're so crazy. You got arrested one time, bro. I did. I did. You got arrested.

I got arrested. Why don't you tell people what you got arrested for, you fucking wild animal? Well, I'm actually wearing, I'm currently wearing a cream colored- You're wearing the same outfit. Pretty close. Yeah. Pretty close. I. Pretty close. I'm wearing, I don't know if you would call this a turtleneck or not, but it's something

like, it's like a little cream colored hoodie. Ribbed hoodie. Yeah. Ribbed. Super sharp. Like that. Yeah. Ribbed.

It's ribbed. Ribbed sweaters are coming back, by the way. Are they? Yeah, they are. At least among women. I wouldn't know. I only wear free shit for my own company. Anyway, no. So back in among women. I wouldn't know. I only wear free shit for my own company. Anyway, no.

So back in like 2000, I don't know. Is this too embarrassing for you to tell? Six? No. No, I got arrested. Yeah. I got arrested. Fucking hardcore.

Yeah. What do we call you now? The hardcore, the pastor of- Pastor of the pen. Pastor of the pen. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got arrested.

I was on my day off Thursday. This was back when I was a pastor. And a police officer from the RCPD came to my door and said, who do we have here? And I said, Vaughn Kohler. And he said, I'm going to have to ask you to step outside. So I did. He said, sir, I have to place you under arrest. And apparently I looked terrified because I thought, you know.

Thought they found the bodies. I thought they found the bodies, yeah. That the bodies hit the floor. Yeah. Anyway, is that how that line goes? Bro, just keep going. Okay, anyway, so he kind of, I don't know, I thought I had been falsely accused or something,

but he said, hey, don't worry about it. You didn't pay a parking ticket. I'm like, you're kidding me. So how many bologna sandwiches did you get in jail? Did you eat bologna? Well, it was a rural penitentiary. So what did they serve in there? Biscuits and gravy?

Yeah, biscuits and gravy. So dude, when you were out in the yard, what gang did you join? Oh, man. So they took me down to the pen, and I said, well, wait a minute. So I literally had to go to the, he said, yeah, you didn't pay it, and this is a warrant sweep, and so you have to come down and be arrested. Did you have to take off your belt and your shoes and all that shit? I had to do all that.

Did you put the orange jumper on? No, I didn't have to put the orange jumper on, but I had to go through the whole, they call it processing. And so I was taking all this stuff out of my pockets, and I had just all the- All the guns and stuff. I had all the guns. And I had all the wads of cash and stuff. Yeah. The, what do you call it? The brass knuckles and stuff. Yeah, I got it.

So you're laying all this shit out on the table. Right. Or are they just like, oh, it's cool because you're involved? No, no, no. So the guy looks at me and he says, okay, name. And I said, name. And he goes, kind of looks like he knows me. He goes, profession.

And I said, pastor. He burst into laughter. He's like, I knew I recognized you. He's like, oh, bullshit. He goes, profession. And I said, pastor, he burst into laughter. He's like, I knew I recognized you. He's like, oh, bullshit. No, he did. He did. No. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lieutenant from this guy. I got another story. Yeah. No, no. But, but, but, uh, he goes, he goes, I thought that was you, Pastor Vaughn. And he goes, well, go start your prison ministry. So, uh, so I went in there literally for the whole afternoon. I sat on a bench with the other offenders and I literally sat there and like, I was dressed in stonewashed jeans and a, and a cream, uh, colored ribbed turtleneck from the gap. And I had to wait to get, cause I was in a line. I had to wait to get my, uh, my mugshot taken. And there were these

guys in there and this guy next to me, I kid kid you not this is exactly how it worked he goes hey man what'd they get you for and i go so i made something up and i said well have you ever gone to like those places like where they have you know deep caverns you know like merrimack caverns i thought you were gonna say like quarters and you watch porn or something no no no no no he's like you probably asked to do for some quarters no no i told him i said you know like that place merrimack cavern where it has a deep cavern? He's like, yeah. I go, you know how they have those things that hang from the ceiling? Like they're millions of years old and they're like stalagmites or stalactites?

He's like, yeah. I go, I broke one of those off on purpose. And he's like, that's messed up. You're so full of shit. No, I told him that. He's like, dude, that's messed up. You're so full of shit. No, I told him that. He's like, dude, that's messed up. And I go, no, I'm just kidding. He goes, seriously, what'd you get in here?

I said, I didn't pay a parking ticket. He goes, no way. Nobody believed me. And I go, no, I'm serious. And I said, what did you get? I said, what did you get arrested for? And he said, I borrowed a car. I go, you borrowed one? He goes, yeah, goes yeah man check this crap out he didn't say crap but um he said check this out he's like i

rented from enterprise rental and i returned it but i returned it late so they threw me into jail and i go how late did i start a car from enterprise one time-Enterprise one time. He's like, I rented it. I returned it, but I returned it three months late. And I'm like. I kind of did that. Are you ready? But I didn't get arrested. So I go, yeah.

So what happened? He goes, well, when I returned it, they wanted me to pay for those three months. And I'm like, shocking. Absolutely shocking. That's not actually stealing. Right. I actually stole the car from Rent-A-Enterprise. Well, that's funny. Let me explain to you how. This is not actually stealing. Right. I actually stole the car from you guys. Well, that's funny. Let me explain to you how.

This is actually a really good story. So we flew to Denver to go on a ski trip. My dad and everybody here, like a bunch of the dudes from work here. This is like three, four years ago. Yeah. And we flew to Denver. And on the day that we were supposed to leave it, like blizzard out. And so it snowed like three feet.

All right. So I woke up in the morning and I saw the weather and it was like crazy snow for two days. And I fucking looked at everybody and I'm like, Hey, we had two suburbans that we rented from enterprise, uh, in Denver.

We had two suburbans. And, and, uh, I said, look guys, here's, here's the deal. We can either go

to the airport and sit there for three days. Cause it's going to be closed or we're fucking driving back to St. Louis right now. And everybody was like, we're driving back to St. Louis right now, except my dad. So, so my dad was like, I'm, I'm not doing that. And I'm like, all right, well, who else is going? So like everybody else wanted to go and he starts like throwing a fit. I'm like, well, you better get in the car or you'll fucking stay here. So he gets in the car. So we're driving. This is actually

a crazy ass story. Like not crazy but just funny. So weed is legal in Colorado, right? So fucking we're driving down. We're driving i'm speeding because it's like just starting to snow i'm trying to get through the snow until we we get through it so we can not get caught in it right so we're driving pretty fast and we're both driving

matching suburbans so there's they're white both white Suburbans so I'm driving like 90 and then my buddy Scott is driving behind me uh at like I don't know like four or five car lengths behind me so he he had some weed on him from that he bought at one of the weed stores there in Denver or wherever we were skiing, right? So we're fucking going through the Eisenhower Tunnel and there's a cop. And I pass the cop, all right? And he looks up, he sees me speeding, he flips on his lights.

And while he's doing the seatbelt or whatever, this cop follows me. So the cop didn't realize that there was two different cars you see what i'm saying so he thought so he goes to pull scott over thinking it was me that went by him because it was the same car so scott scott throws his fucking weed out the window okay and the cop sees it the cop sees him do it so this happened recently yeah it's like three years ago so fucking the cop pulls scott over and i see that he got pulled over but i went up the road a little bit right yeah that's your friend so the cop picks up the fucking weed and fucking

brings it back to the window he's like here you go sir you dropped something out your window because it's fucking legal you know what i'm saying so so then dude we fucking uh the cop was cool and i think he wrote him like a speeding ticket or something which he didn't even do because it was me so then we we drove back to st louis in these cars that were for fucking enterprise airport and denver we drove them all the way to st louis and basically stole them from the enterprise we We took them, we took them there and I dropped them off at the enterprise up here on Lindbergh. And, uh, my brother-in-law actually worked there. So I fucking called him and I'm like, Hey bro, I did this thing.

I need you to fucking handle it. So dude, he figured out, he figured it out and we had to pay like a couple grand or something to, to make it right. But dude, and we had to pay a couple grand or something to make it right. But, dude, sometimes you got to steal a car. Sometimes you got to steal a car. Sometimes you got to throw your weed out the window when it's legal. That is funny. Sometimes old habits don't die. I tell you. So one more.

One more. So I am... This is bad. So I occasionally socially drink, but I don't drink too much. Oh, you fucking liar. No, I know. You're the one that Oh, you fucking liar. No, I know. You're the one that says you did 31 shots. Well, I did.

And I actually prove, I'm going to prove that at some point. How? Because I'm going to prove it. You can only drink like four shots. So how are you going to get 31? No, no, no. I'm going to actually produce the evidence of the girl that was with me when I drank 31 shots. Yeah.

But anyway, regardless. So prior to actually drinking on a regular basis at all, I was at the bar one time in Manhattan, Kansas in Aggieville. And you guys are going to laugh at me, but when I first started experimenting with alcohol, I just drank the Fruity Girl drinks, you know, like the Fuzzy Navel and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So I drank a little bit too much. I didn't drink a ton. I wasn't drunk, but I drank a little too much, but I only live like a couple of blocks away from home. So I thought, I think I'm fine. This isn't impairing my ability to, by the way, don't do this at home.

Okay. But this isn't impairing my ability. So no big deal. So I hop in my car and I'm driving home. Sure enough, cop pulls, you know, pulls behind me, pulls me over. This is in Manhattan, Kansas. This is the second time you got arrested. Right. Well, I'm like, oh crap. I don't know what to do because literally

at that point in my life, I'd hardly ever drank at all. And now I'm like, what am I doing? Am I going to pass a breathalyzer? I'm going to get fired. All this horrible stuff is going to happen. So a police officer comes to the door. He says, license and registration?

And I say, okay, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I think I've drank too much. Of course you did. And I just said, I promise I'm not supposed to do this, but I think I've drank too much. Of course you did. And I just said, I promise you I never drink, but I hardly ever drink, and I drank too much, and I'm a pastor. No, I didn't say I was a pastor. And I said, and I just, I promise you, and I live real close, and I did everything that they tell you not to do, right?

Yeah. So the police officer says, well, let me see your license and registration. So I hand it to him. He checks it, comes says all right you live close I said yeah he said I want you to follow me okay that was cool yeah so he follows me I get in I pull into my driveway I get out of the car or yeah I get out of the car he walks up to me and he says don't you ever effing do anything like that again. I said, I won't. And he goes, and by the way, that was a great sermon last week, Pastor.

You're so full of shit. You making that up. Totally true. Totally true. That's awesome. Yeah. He was like, that was a great sermon. Don't ever do that again.

Hey, you know what? That's good karma. Yeah, right. Right, right. Well, that's the grace of God is what it is. Yeah. So, anyway. You just pull out the God card to get out of your own trouble, huh?

Well, and the truth is I really don't know if I would. So, like, when you get in trouble, you just say, well, I'm fucking, God's my boy. Yeah, yeah, God's my boy. And it works? Right, exactly. That's the deal? Yeah. All right.

You know, or I could say, well, listen, as a minister, I'm just not bound by the laws of men, you know? Yeah, I bet that wouldn't have worked as well. Yeah, that probably wouldn't have worked either. But in any case. No, so I'm not encouraging drinking and driving for those people out there who think I am. But that was definitely at a time where I had no idea. I was so inexperienced. I mean, you know, most people start having a drink when they're, what, 16, 17?

Yeah. I mean, let's face it, they do. Probably. I never had a drop of alcohol until I was probably 24, 25. So how did the alcohol progress?

Because I mean, now you're just like this hardcore gangster. Yeah, people are going to think I hardly ever drink. In fact, I will not be drinking. When was the first time you smoked crack, bro? Smoked crack would be bro. I don't be drinking. When was the first time you smoked crack, bro? Yeah. Smoked crack with me, bro. I don't vote Democrat. Huh?

No, sorry. Dude, that scene in The Wolf of Wall Street, smoked crack with me, bro. Dude, I felt dirty after I watched that. Oh, dude. I had to take a shower. I ran into a movie theater and took my whole company. Did you really? Fucking right I did.

I think it's one of the funniest fucking movies I've ever seen in my life. Oh, it's got its moments. I don't know. But, you know. Dude, you know what? But I'm going back. I'm kind of like you when it comes to alcohol these days. I hardly ever drink at all.

It's just. I don't need it anymore, bro. I just don't feel good. I don't need it. Yeah, I don't either. You know, for me, with battling the mental issues that I have to battle with depression, things like that. I've just,

I've just accepted it. It's just not good for me. Yeah. Because the three or four days after I drink, I feel really bad. Yeah. Not hung over. I'm talking about like depressed.

Yeah, no. And I, you know, I still drink. I don't condemn drinking. It's just, it's not good for me.

You know what I'm saying? I still love to drink and I still will, I don't condemn drinking. It's just it's not good for me. You know what I'm saying? I still love to drink, and I still will. But I'm more careful when I choose to indulge in the beautiful substance known as tequila. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it's exception, not the rule. Occasionally, I'll enjoy it. So, dude, what happens to you when you get fucked up, like in your home?

You run around in your underwear and shit? No, I'll tell you. Well, first of all, I don't. In all seriousness, I don't. Do you do the helicopter dance? I can't tell you the last time. You know the helicopter? You fucking know.

I don't even know what that is. Yeah, you don't know. Every dude and every chick knows what the helicopter dance is. Well, maybe I don't know what you're referring to. Yeah, you know, like whenever your dick's hanging out and you do it in a circle? Like, dude, that's like the helicopter dance is. Well, maybe I don't know what you're referring to. Yeah, you know, like whenever your dick's hanging out and you do it in a circle? Like, dude, that's like the helicopter. Dave, you fucking know

you're laughing and Tyler's laughing too. You motherfuckers know, I ain't the only one that knows the helicopter. That's funny. No, I'm not aware of that one. Yeah, you just do it sober.

Dave goes, dog, I don't drink though. No, the truth is is that I don't, I very rarely ever, well, I can't. I think if you did, you'd probably be able

to fucking get airborne with that motherfucker. I can't tell you the last time I drank and then got legitimately drunk. Like it's probably been 10, 15 years. Oh bullshit.

No, no, no. That was like four or five years ago when we were at Pug City, Utah. All right, look, I got a meeting. I got to roll. All right. So we're at the end

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