REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 216. Moving Towards The American Dream Ft. NYC BLM Leader Hawk Newsome & Tommy Vext

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

In today's episode, Andy is joined in the studio by heavy metal singer Tommy Vext and the co-founder of Black Opts & BLM of the greater New York area, Hawk Newsome. They discuss various political issues, including the cultural problem in the police departments, identity politics, reparations for the black community, and how we can unite together to make America great.

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We're the number one business podcast on the motherfucking planet. I don't do that because I respect your guys' time. All right. And all I ask in return is that you help us grow the show. All right. Now today is a very special show. Okay? I brought in somebody, a couple people, who I respect and who you guys would not expect to be on this show. All right? First,

my homie Tommy Vex. Hey. What's up, bro? Good to see you again. Second, DJ. What's up, baby? How are you? Hey, man. I'm good.

Yeah? I'm good. Everything good? Everything's all good. All right? All good. And I got my new friend hawk newsome family okay yeah that's right that's right now if you guys don't know who hawk newsome is you might recall that we covered a segment on cti show

uh where we talked about hawk being told by the mayor uh that he was going to burn the city down if they put the police back on the street. And Hawk is the co-founder of the New York chapter of Black Lives Matter. He is also the founder of Black Ops. And we bring him on the show, and we want to have a good conversation and hopefully solve some shit. Nobody's doing these kind of things. And Hawk and I got together, um,

off after that segment. All right. And I'm going to tell a little story before I bring them on. After the segment we did on Hawk, I went and I wanted to check out what he was about. All right. So I went and checked out his Instagram. I saw that he followed me. Then I saw the segment where they were saying that he was saying that he was going to burn the fucking city down. If the cops went back on the street and knowing that how the media works, because I am also a public figure and how people like to make people look like shit, I reached out to Hawk and I said, hey, man, I said, I get the feeling that these guys are trying to make you look a certain way and you're trying to say something else. Is that true? And he said, yeah, that's exactly true. And I said, let's do a show. That's how we got here. So, bro, thanks's exactly true. And I said, let's do a show.

And that's how we got here. So, bro, thanks for making the trip. I'm happy to have you here. We've had a lot of fun conversations already. And dude, just you coming on the show and having the guts to come on the show and talk about real solutions. I respect the shit out of. So I appreciate you making the trip, brother. Right on, man. I'm happy. Very happy to be here. Everybody know that I'm a fighter for the liberation of black people. But the greater fight is for all oppressed people. That's right. Right? They'll never let you hear that side of it.

They'll never let you hear the good things that we do and how we feel. Inclusively, why? Because people will buy into that message. So it's their job to keep that truth from being out there. 100%. Happy to be here, man. Can I tell a funny story real quick? Yeah, yeah.

So I picked up Hawk from the airport, right? One, I did not realize. Well, first of all, before you tell it, make sure it's funny. Oh, it's funny. I mean, I'm going to laugh. That's all I'm going to say. You're going to get an obligatory laugh from me. And if you don't laugh you're fucking racist

so you better fucking laugh so I picked up Hawk and one dude I had no idea you're a big dude you're a big dude and so I pull up and I see him sitting there and he stands up and I'm like holy shit but this dude is wearing all Carhartt he got the fucking gator skin cowboy boots on

I'm like are you ready for Missouri for real for real he's like yeah I gotta blend in I'm like Hawk you you ready for Missouri for real, for real? He's like, yeah, I got to blend in. I'm like, Doc, you ain't blending in, baby. You're seven foot two. You ain't blending in on that. But you did a good job. I like the Carl Hart shit, man. I appreciate that. I think of that pink tribute. You know, I throw on my boots,

my shit kickers. You know what I mean? Come out here and just let the folks know. It's like, you know, a lot of people don't like me. So it's hard to blend in, but I'm going to try not to stand out. I could have been out here with my let the folks know. It's like, you know, a lot of people don't like me. I know. It's hard to blend in, but I'm going to try not to stand out. I could have been out here with my Yankees hat, my F12 sweatshirt. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? But we don't need the attention right now.

We're on a mission. We don't give a fuck what you wear. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Come as you are. Yeah. So where do we start, man? Like, I mean, the whole world's fucked up.

Okay? so where do we start man like i mean the whole world fucked up okay we got we got we got social media going crazy ganging up on everybody we got black people hate white people we got white people fucking oppressing the entire fucking earth we got you know and i'm talking about white people hating white people i'm talking about this i'm talking about the white liberals that we go after on the show every fucking day 100 okay there's all kinds of things going on i mean what would martin luther king think about what's going on right i think that's where we start we got mlk day right here you know let's start with that i'll jump on it yeah yeah um i think if mlK could have a voice right now, he'd look up and say, I died for this. I think so too. I absolutely agree.

I gave my life for this. Let's be cognizant of the fact that the last thing that Dr. King was fighting against, of course, the overarching thing was racism, but it was poverty, right? Because he understood that poverty breeds crime. Poverty is the way that they keep us all down. It's that small group at the top that has everything

that makes the rest of us fight for crumbs. So on MLK Day, you know, I'm not a big advocate of peace. I like Malcolm X. He said, you put a hand on me, I'm going to send you to the morgue. You know what I mean? I'm a Malcolm X guy. Yeah. And you know, Martin wanted to turn the other cheek, but we ain't them.

I saw your poll, bro. Yeah. I saw your poll. Are you MLK or are you X? Absolutely. See, I'm MLK. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I got you. Like, dude, now I'm not saying that violence isn't required sometimes. Like we were talking earlier, violence built this fucking country. Right on. Right on. But we don't need to have that shit we don't need that shit we don't need to be fighting each other you know i think we've got way off the tracks of what he intended our country to be and i think by now uh all this i i think agree with you i think he would look at i've said this on the show a hundred times he would look at right now and be disgusted right fuck what the fuck is going on i think one of i think one of

mlk's major points was integration you know having a society where uh where you know and i'm biracial so i'm a byproduct of that the ability that people can were allowed to date you know what i mean like my birth parents you know were in i was born in theies. It was still kind of like taboo. And we're moving towards, you know, I felt like over the past, you know, prior to Trump, I felt like we had made leaps and bounds in, in some degrees, but not enough. And then with the way that trump's administration was and the media's attacks on that and all the other issues that were exploited it put everyone in a psychological place to not recognize the forward movement how much progress and continuing on that progress and now we've reverted back and i think that nothing will ever be uh, will never get out of that poverty conversation, right?

I think the people who have the most power, the bank, central banking infrastructure, government, they want to keep people poor. If white poor people and black poor people don't get along, they're never going to realize that they have the same oppressor. You know, and that's like, that's why they killed MLK. He started talking about that. He pivoted to that. And that's like, that's why they killed MLK. He started talking about that. He pivoted to that.

And that's dangerous. That's why you've been fucked with for the last two years. Hawk, that's why you've been fucked with for the last two years. And guess what? That's why I've been fucked with for the last two years. Right on. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, good people are out here trying to do shit.

And it can't happen because they will only tell half the fucking story. You know, we're about six, whatever. I don't know how many minutes in. Yeah, yeah. But we're about to go in right now. Yeah, yeah. Cool. We're about to go in.

Yeah, yeah. All right. I think integration was oversold. How so? Integration screwed our communities, bro. Because you had the black doctors, the black lawyers, the black engineers, the black people with skill left our communities. Right. So before he died, Dr. King said, I'm afraid we've integrated into a burning house. Right. So the focus became more of letting black

people live amongst white people when it should have been, we're going to empower black communities, right? When you talk about separate but equal and how that was disqualified, we should really look at how we could have given black schools more resources. Like you're building a gym right now for some black kids in a black school that need it we should look at how do we empower these people here's where i start to sound a little bit conservative in my beliefs because i know not a hell of a time but um goes on one podcast no no no but see this is what it is they want to shut down people like me

they want to shut down people like me. They want to shut me up because they'll never tell you that MLK didn't trust the Democrats or the Republicans. Right. They don't want to trust. They don't want to listen to Malcolm X. He said the Dems are wolves in sheep's clothing. White liberals are the most dangerous thing. Come on, man.

Yeah. I'd rather somebody say, screw you, nigger. Screw you. I ain't got shit for you. Right? Then somebody say, hey, black boy, I'm your friend. I'm going to fight for you and treat me the same way that that racist does. That's why I have no respect for them.

But going back to the previous argument, I think we need stronger black communities. I'm tired of the welfare system. There's a big fire in the Bronx. Chuck Schumer was talking about how great Section 8 is. Fuck Section 8. Okay? How about you resource some monies and you allocate funds to teach people entrepreneurship skills? I don't disagree with any of that. That's the thing is like the more, like I think the principle that you stand on and I don't disagree with any for problems. But when you have people who are in power, who are making money off perpetuating the problem, we keep getting blocked and our ideas become thought crimes. And you can even be ostracized from your own groups and parties because they don't want you

to fix the problem. And then we're confused because we're genuinely virtuous in looking at the problem and wanting to solve it as men who have come from nothing and become something and wanting those opportunities for our people, whoever our people are, period, in this country. Absolutely. And that's why we keep getting blocked. See, to me, and obviously, you know, people probably look at you and me and they say, oh, they're totally fucking different. I don't feel like we are that different, honestly. But I do see things a little bit different than that. I agree with everything you said, by the way.

But when I look at like the black communities and I look at the white communities and I look at the Asian communities, I just see Americans, bro. I just see people here that we wrote on a piece of paper 244 fucking years ago that said this and this and this. And then we had people hijack that shit and create a jar of fucking chaos so that a very few, a very elite group of people continue to profit off of our suffering. And I'm not suffering, bro. I went out and made some shit

of myself. Okay. My job is to continue to give back and bring awareness. And I'm committed to that. I think it matters. But I, you know, I say this all the time on the show. I say, look, dude, this identity shit, like this identity politics where it's like, it's, it's, it's the gay, this, or the trans, this, or the white, this, or the black, this, all that does is create division amongst ourselves. And so when I look at it and obviously you see it a different way, but when I look at it, bro, I look at like this country is supposed to be for everybody. This country is supposed to be for we, we, everybody, all of us in this room and everybody listening should all care about what's going on in the black communities, in our cities where there clearly is a huge difference between how people live there versus how people live

30 miles away. That's a huge fucking problem. And I don't see it as a black and white issue. I see it as an elite versus the common people issue. And dude, that's how I. It's an American issue. That's what I see, man. And so like, dude, I'm just being real.

You said we're going to go in. I want to fucking fix these things. But dude, as a white dude, it bothers me when i see people saying like dude like right now every motherfucker on the internet with blm is calling white people every fucking name in the book there's a tremendous amount of white hate and like dude like so i got to look at that and be like bro do these people even want me to fucking care like you see what i'm saying here's the thing because dude look if I because you call your company Black Ops, right? Like if I started White Ops, bro, come on.

You don't have to. All you got to say is American Ops. Because when you think of America, you think of the white men who built this country, who run this country, who exploit the planet, exploit the people. Right. If we can. That's not what I think about. No, the world.

OK. This is pretty much the world right if we just backtrack a little bit right let's go back to identity politics right the thing is black people haven't been seen in this country we haven't been seen what are you talking about we've been we've been viewed as this this group we've been pushed down upon our humanity has not been acknowledged so when we talk about the humanity not being acknowledged explain that to me oh man black pain is not real pain when we say uh black lives matter for instance right what we are actually saying is my life matters just as much as everyone else's.

But America doesn't show you that. See, I don't I disagree with that. I think we all agree that black lives matter. I would actually take that further with the BLM issue. And I've got he I've been called Uncle Tom and all of this for saying this. Right. But when I see the black lives matter. So you got tap dance shoes under there. Yeah. No, but I say this this that's fucked up joe you got too many no but but but when i when i hear that statement you know what i think i say they don't and i say

that they should matter more because my problem is and i've stood on this countless of times right nobody and when i i'm gonna say us as the black community right nobody's gonna give a fuck about Because my problem is, and I've stood on this countless times, right? Nobody, I'm going to say us as the black community, right? Nobody's going to give a fuck about us until we give a fuck about us. Okay. Okay. Now, here's the thing. These two things are not separate.

The perfect example of this is the black woman, right? The media shows you the image of beauty, Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin. What about black women is beautiful? When they show us in movies, the darker the skin tone, the more sexually aggressive or the more aggressive the woman is. Nothing about the black. That stereotype's been perpetuated by Hollywood since the 90s. Exactly, right? But it's Hollywood.

It's Vogue. It's magazines. It's Vogue. It's magazines. It's until they... Just let me finish this point, bro. I got you. So anything beautiful about black women is frowned upon until a white woman does it. Until a white woman braids her hair.

Remember we had big old ghetto booties? But the Kardashians do it. Now everybody loves a fat ass. You know what I mean? Come on, who don't like that? Our fashion. But before, it was your out of shape, your horrible. I grew up in Brooklyn, bro.

You're a different type of animal. We had Dominicans and Puerto Rican girls. You know what I mean? Like, come on. We could have just started on something we all agree with. Let's just be honest. That ain't new, though. Baby, I love you.

Baby, I love you. They're talking about asses. On the real, a fat ass was considered a work of art. If you go to any museum in the world, I've been to museums all over the world. Every sculpture of every beautiful woman is a fat ass bitch. That's real, bro. You had that. It's in our DNA as men.

I forget this woman. She had a big butt, but she was like this circus animal, right? They used to send her around Europe. And it was like this monstrous butt, this freak of nature. You know, it wasn't cool. At the end of the day, we're regular people in this room. That's why we're having this discussion while we're laughing. But that's not the masses.

At the end of the day, bro. I think also, too, though, I i think black women are the most copied right like yo like gay dudes act like black women you know what i mean how many how many white girls you know that get long fingernails and then they get agitated they yeah but see listen from the outside look dude i don't see that as like a bad thing i see that as like like how i would see that okay look dude i get every motherfucker in the world copying my shit okay like i'm the best motherfucker what i do in the fucking planet power of influence and i'm changing this okay like i'm this might not make

sense to some of you guys listening i'm trying to make a point i get copied all the time when i first started getting copied i look at it and i'd be like dude fuck that guy and then what i started to realize was holy, the reason they're doing that shit is because they're vibing with my shit. And they're trying to be like me. And I started to see, I started to value that. Okay? And like, dude, how I see it is like, dude, the black community has a tremendous amount of influence on culture, dude. And it's a great thing.

Why don't we reap the benefits of it? That's a problem. These are don't we reap the benefits of it? That's a problem. These are things that we need to build. Because the corporations that exploit black culture in this country

are owned not by black people. Exactly. And Kanye West has been talking about that and it's true. I mean, like, this is one of the major issues,

you know, with, you know, the, this lamb based sweeping generalization that America is racist is hard to, for me to understand as, as African American who plays rock music to white people who buy millions and millions of my records and, uh, and I'll like, I've never had any issue, you know? And then I look at hip hop comparatively and it's a much more massive global culture, cultural movement, because yo, that, that's what African-Americans contribute to the world as far as culture.

I'm about to get y'all in trouble. Oh, it's okay. I'm about to get y'all in trouble. No, you won't get in trouble. But the issue is, is that it's a, it's it's a the the question is, why don't why don't you know, why don't we own that? It's because we don't. Yeah.

And they won't let you. Now, here's the thing. Yeah. But that ain't no different from fucking anybody else. It's a regular human, bro. These are people who have fucking have been at the top for so long that it's created an impossible wall to fucking climb for anybody. And there's white men.

So we need black billionaires. We'll own everything that won't share the pie. Now, if you want to talk to me about hip-hop, right, I can't make a record today to say I'm going to go out and shoot the Jews. I'm going to go and shoot out, go and shoot the LGBTQ community. I'm going to go and

kill all white people. I can't say that. Fuck, I can't say that fuck i can't say that but but what if i said that you know what i can do but i can go out and say i'm gonna kill every black person that's stepping my path yeah i'm gonna shoot you if you look at me the wrong way and then you got people like diddy you got people like jay-z who are social justice pioneers, right? But they won't turn around and put a pause on hip-hop music and say, let's stop making music about killing each other for one

year. What you're saying is real shit, man, because that's what DJ and I have been talking about. Dude, Tommy and I have talked about this for two fucking years. DJ and I have talked about this on the show forever, bro. We have a fucking culture problem. We have a culture problem, not this on the show forever, bro. We have a fucking culture problem. We have a culture problem in not only in the black community, we have a culture problem in what people consume in all communities.

And we have a culture problem in the police community. And the media. Oh, fuck the media. Well, the media never. That's irreparable. That's going to have to be torn down. The media doesn't help. You know what's crazy?

We don't even own the record companies. No. So it's other people who have shares of the for-profit prison complex, the industrialized prison complex, who own the pharmaceuticals that we need when we shoot each other up, who own the clothing labels that we kill each other for. Everybody makes money off us killing each other. How much rap music music you listen to? All day, every fucking day.

You fucking do. Okay. So let's be- I'm not a hypocrite. Let's be fucking real. I'm not a hypocrite. No, I know you're not. I'm not a hypocrite.

That's why you're here, because you're real. Yeah. And dude, me too. Yeah. Okay? So I'm listening to Dolph every fucking day. And I know him. I knew him.

Okay? When he died, I fucking stayed home all day, didn't I? Yeah. I fucking cried my fucking eyes out. Dude, I'm fucking. I knew him. Okay. When he fucking, when he died, I fucking stayed home all day. Didn't I? I fucking cry my fucking eyes out, dude. I'm fucking tired of this shit. Okay. And like,

dude, we're as big of a problem for consuming the shit as anybody else for making the shit. That's the truth. And so if we're going to fix the problem, we got to start saying, Hey, maybe that's not as cool as we fucking thought it was.

You know what I'm saying? But the one thing I loved about Dolph was, you listen, young Dolph? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the one thing I loved about him was, what I loved, it wasn't the like, hey, we got a beef in our community shit. It was that like, dude, the guy started selling.

He grew up. He created a career. He provided value. He had a family. This dude was an entrepreneur. And so what he's singing about the whole time is the same shit i went through in a different way and he wasn't with the like a record company no he's an individual owner yeah you look at you look at nip nip same right yeah but what was crazy is

uh for he did this thing for forbes on the west coast i did it on the on the east coast and basically what we're talking about is innovative ways to help our community right so anytime somebody talks about black ownership folks want to call them crazy like lavar ball saying hey we should own these sneakers we should own these things people look at them like they're crazy because for us right being stuck in this system You don't have to agree with me. I just want people to try and attempt to feel me. We are stuck in this system. I don't think you're saying anything that's unreasonable. Wow, bro. I just I'm glad I got the opportunity to talk.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But like it's like the world is consistently telling you you ain't shit. You see it on the TV. you see it on the news every night but it's the thing is we have been at the bottom of the totem pole longer than anyone else has there were opportunities given to other people to elevate themselves that we weren't given you know what i mean and we can't we can't ignore that okay actually so do you think that that's still the same do you think that statement because i agree there was a a long period of time in american history right where that is the case do you think right now in 2022 that we still have those setbacks do you do you banks deny black people

loans with similar qualifications to white people at higher rates okay Okay, but here's what I'll say. Hold on. That's actually really, really important because redlining is something that happened during the Nixon era that has absolutely kept black communities from having their own industrious rise. Amen. We continue to have politicians who promise to undo these things

and don't and don't yeah so i was i've been hyper critical about that with the democrats you know including obama why wasn't this the first thing to go it nixon was a recorded racist piece of shit uh guess who else is who a fucking current president oh yeah what's that joe biden is a white supremacist oh yeah joe biden is a fucking joe biden is a biden supremacist that motherfucker that motherfucker gives a fuck about him parmesan storton yeah and fucking and making fucking billions of dollars and selling our country to China. Fuck that guy. Here's, here's, here's my problem, right? Here's my problem.

Black people keep looking for these saviors, right? Yeah. You look at Jewish communities. I want the same thing for black people that Jewish communities have. Jewish people control their own schools. They have their own police force. They have their own, their they have their own their own ambulance service bro i don't think it's insulated no bro that's not it that's not it bro i understand

i understand what he's saying because but look bro if i went and did that same shit like you said when i say this shit people think it's crazy let me tell you why i'm gonna give you the white person perspective why because dude i can't say none of that shit but i can't do none of that you have it already i don't i don't no i don't because i don't see you gotta understand this system benefits white people he was asking for examples right yeah you and i no no wait hold on go that i'm not saying that what you guys say about redlining and all that that's real shit yeah that has to stop that's the 100 right on that's not what i'm saying i'm not saying that what i am saying though is that like when you say things like pro-black this pro-black that this

said the other and white people automatically think man if i fucking said that shit i would get fucking destroyed i'd ruin my whole life bro you see what i'm saying but the thing is all you have to do is say i'm pro America. Right? When you think America, you don't think of it as a land for all. I do. People don't. I do. And I travel a lot. No, no, no. Let me get this off my chest.

I wouldn't have you down here. Let me get this off my chest. Not everybody does. We have what we call allies. People who really fuck with black people. Some of them are conservatives, right people who really fuck with black people. Some of them are conservatives, right? Who really fuck with black people. And there's some good dems out there, some liberals. But the thing is, like, I was talking to a white woman and she said, you had a million

man march on Washington, D.C. What would it, what would people say if white people did it? I said, it happens every day. It's called Congress. You understand what I'm saying? Like, like I do, but I don't. We could, we could do it. You know what I mean? Can I say this real quick? I personally don't have a prop. Like, look, dude, growing up as a white dude in this country, you have had to accept the fact that there's,

there's things that black people can do that white people cannot do like you can have a black entertainment television you can have uh you guys can say the n-word and if we say the n-word i'm fucking done right like bro like there's all there's this racial line that white people have to walk that is fucking like it's like walking on eggshells all the time bro now i can i can I give you this, bro? Yeah, yeah. Like, I swear to God, man. Fuck everybody listening. Yeah, yeah. It's me and you in this room.

Yeah, cool. Just like we having a conversation. Just like we do. Right on, right? Bro. The networks. Everything. Yeah, but that don't make all white people bad.

But no, nobody's saying all white people are bad's the thing right like you gotta understand like society has pushed black a lot of black people to the point where it's like fuck everybody i can understand that nobody came here that is it's us against the. And that's where a lot of people are. But here's my thing. But you can't say in the same breath. So you're saying that it's the white people

that own the systems and own networks and all of this. Those are the same people that you're going to have to fucking reach your hand and say, hey, help us out.

But we're also condemning them. That's not what I'm teaching. I'm saying build your own. No, no. I've been waiting to break this down. Actually,

what we're going to have to do is what you said when we were talking last night we're knocking him in the motherfucking head and get him out of the fucking way bro yeah that was my other point that i wanted to make real quick tommy so like my thing is there is a lot of frustration i told you there's a lot of frustration and a lot of anger right now in the black community a lot of it is justifiably so i totally agree the problem is the problem is think of it like a fucking tank okay those missiles of power they bring down a whole fucking building we have been the establishment the people that we're fucking talking about have been aiming that at the wrong shit and the problem is is that that

it's emotional manipulation and the problem is that it's being targeted at a blanketed population that has shit to do with it what needs to happen is we have to redirect that fucking energy and the emotions and and the power and the energy that that that the community has and just point it in the right fucking direction bro because andy ain't the fucking problem i'm not the fucking problem it's It's a small group of people. Real talk. Real talk. How much shit have you taken the last two years? Oh, my God.

How much shit have you gotten? Bro, it's wrecked your whole fucking life. You need to rebuild it. Yeah, man. For real. I came out on top, though. Yeah, you did. But my point is-

It was stressful. Yeah. I've been in court for like 10 months. But my point is, all of this aggravation that we've had to go through as citizens of this fucking country- But you have to understand this fucking country has been pushed upon us. But here's my thing. I equally, right, this is the issue and this is what I wanted to get at. Now, in backing it back up, I'm okay with the black community creating, I think the black community should, should replicate the Hasidic Jewish community and creating their own thing.

That is that if that's what is desired in this country, you should be free to do that. If you want to do that, you should be enabled to, and you should be allowed to the central banking infrastructure should not interfere with that. The state and the city should not interfere with that hold on and one thousand percent and then it over time if that community is built then that community

will start to feel like pro-america is also pro-black so what's over time so what's stopping it oh i'm not gonna give you a lot'm not going to give you the joy and the enthusiasm of me saying a Democratic Party. I'm not going to give you that. Now, here's the thing, right? Here's the thing. Fuck, he almost had him. Here's the thing, right? They see big black angry.

They don't see law degree. I've been trained to analyze this shit. Just the look on your motherfucking face was worth the trip, bro. Fuck, man. I'm going to have him. I'm going to have him. Here's the thing, right? Jewish people do business with everyone else, right?

So we can do that. We can build our own communities, and we can do business with everyone else. Right? So we can do that. We can build our own communities and we can do business with everyone else. What I'm saying is let us control things in our neighborhoods. What has to happen, what we're doing

with Black Opportunities is we are deprogramming people. Right? I love this facility, right? Thank you. You know what my vision is? I want a healing space in Black communities across

wherever i wanted to look like a big ass yoga studio where people come learn how to eat where they work out they learn their true history where single mothers could come we watch their kids while we give them coding skills tech skills where we actually improve people's lives so they can compete people about money so they can compete. Fuck this handout shit. The handout is the worst thing because that's what perpetuated this situation. America has never truly helped us. They gave us enough to keep us crippled.

People were coming to this country over the last century. They were like, here, take land. You talked about redlining. Oh, you could buy a house but you can't sell to black people you know what i mean like oh well that's we can't insure this is one thing that when you talk about redlining the one you know who benefits the most from redlining white liberal hipsters who go into our neighborhoods and they go into minority neighborhoods california gentrify it and buy everything up.

And then like, I'm cool. I posted a black square. You pushed out of the city. I talked to the New York Post and I talked to them about gentrification. And I said, here's what happened when white people move into poor neighborhoods. There's mental illness.

For some reason, black people suffer depression when white people move into these neighborhoods, right? Is that a i'm dead serious google it i found it out well just because it's on google don't be shit google it and find credible resources okay right uh uh schools are doing worse there's more of a police present because they feel like they have to to treat um you know they have to keep it safe for the white folk. But when I said gentrification is wrong, all the people on my side came after me. First, the Republicans painted me out to be a racist. They said, Hawk Newsome says no whites in the Bronx. Right.

Then the Dems came after me. Well, what about our allies? Those people who move into the into the motherfuckers? I'm like, yeah, fuck them, too, because if they come and they prove it's safe then the people with money will come here's what i'll say and i don't disagree with really anything you're saying other than the identity shit but i think what i'm seeing here what i see here is a couple things need to happen in your mind before we can move forward and say hey we're all on the same team. Come on. All right. So I'm picking up what you're putting down. And you helped tie that together.

Thank you. Yeah, but here's. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I was like, so I'm hearing like you, like Andy said, I hear everything you're saying. We've talked the fucking hour and a half tour, right? I love it. My problem is I feel like some of the words that you're using is still kind of like, it's not, I think more people will get your message. But when you paint the whole, it's not the country.

The country's not racist. It's a group of people inside the country that are making these decisions. They control everything. I don't even know that it's fucking, I don't know that it's even, listen, dude. You see what I'm saying? Listen, I'm a fucking highly successful business guy. I'm not a little guy. I'm not a medium guy. I'm a big highly successful business guy. I'm not a little guy. I'm not a medium guy.

I'm a big motherfucker. Okay. There's not one time in history that I've done business with another company. And I've been like, Oh man, there's a white guy. We're gonna do business with that guy. Like,

that's not how it works at my level. Well, no. And I don't, I don't know that because I'm not them. You're also self-made. So these intergenerational wealth. I know I'm making the, I'm getting there, bro. I'm getting there. because I'm not them. You're also self-made. So these intergenerational wealth. I know.

I'm making them. I'm getting there, bro. I'm getting there. I'm on my way. Those are also not. Those are also, I don't even look at those people as people. I agree. The owners of the networks and these families

that have all this trillions of dollars. At that level, OK, like I could see how you could. Wait, everybody. Andy's going to sound like a socialist. Go ahead. No, no, no. Yeah, you're going to talk about classism. That's where you're going with this.

That's not socialism, bro. Listen, I'm a capitalist 100%. That's the proof's in the fucking pudding. Uh-huh. Okay? Here's the reality, though. There's responsible capitalism. Yeah.

Okay? And what we have here, you asked me, you said, what did you say to me the favorite part was here? The workspace. That's right. The workspace. And then back. There's a great energy. Everybody was happy. have here you asked me you said what'd you say to me the favorite part was here the workspace that's right the workspace and then there's a great energy everybody was happy everybody there was good music there was a good energy people didn't seem sad they didn't even seem like they were working and i give you credit for that you know why because those people all understand the way it works here how it works is this you come here you learn progress through, and eventually if you stay and you get good, you can get to that C level.

You can work your way up through this company. Now, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck what color you are or where you come from. You know what? I just want to win. So the best motherfucker is going to get that job. All right?

Now, here's what I agree with you on, and I'm not sure it's related to race as much as it is related to rich motherfuckers that hang out together okay when we talk about these elite guys at the top of because like dude what we're talking about here bro is we're talking about a hundred fucking people we're not talking about a million or a thousand we're talking about a hundred all right and they're all in the club guess what we ain't you know but people follow their league they mimic that they mimic mimic those behaviors yeah they yeah so so it's like you think about the term influencers right people have influence people watch because they

want to they feel inspired and they want to be like that person right so if there's a yeah but those motherfuckers ain't never gonna they're never ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna give a fuck about us it ain't happening here's the thing though people believe that if they mimic them and if they climb that socio-economic uh uh ladder that they'll be accepted by them so they mimic those behaviors from the top all the way down, and they look for reasons to keep people out. What is the difference between, what does a filthy, just dirty,

no resource having, poor man, what's the difference between him and a black person in the same set of circumstances? Zero money to the name, fucked up apartment, fucked up neighborhoods, poor white guy and a poor black guy. That white guy can say at least I'm not black. And in a society we live in. Bro, that bullshit is cool to be black.

Listen, listen, listen. It's cool to be black till it's time to be black. Cops is whipping your ass for no reason till you're getting pulled over and thrown up against the wall and stopped and frisked all the time. It it's cool like like like it's cool to listen to the music and to wear the clothes but when you gotta really deal with that black pain that's when a lot of people you know what hey listen that's fair point yeah let me let me just i want to back this up i think that's a fair point i want to back this up because there's something that isn't that that everyone has said that is ties together and it's intrinsically important to understand that okay so the the this workspace this environment the way that it is it's because you earned it right so when you come from nothing and you build something

you understand what it's like to be the bottom man. These elites have been in control and in power for- Hundreds of years. Oh, it's generations. So they don't look at us as people. They see us the way we see a cattle farm and our actual purpose to them is to continue to perpetuate their power and institutionalization.

They mastermind this drift this rift the institutional racism doesn't change so that they can put it on their broadcast and get everybody fighting with each other so no one looks up the ladder and is like fuck these motherfuckers bro they do that shit so they have something to run on these motherfuckers these democrats do not have a fucking plan for fucking anything you say whatever the fuck you want about trump i know you don't like trump because he personally attacked you but if you you say whatever the fuck you want his policies fucking worked in this country our economy was fucking better our jobs were better better opportunity and guess what i ain't with trump right now because it was fucking bullshit

on this vaccine all right we gotta we gotta criticize trump too like and and i say this like i you know this is the this was has been the most bizarre thing to happen in 2021 to now is every liberal person i know ran out and got the jab and i'm like you took trump's vaccine you have You took the Trump jab. You literally went, and then it didn't work, so he failed, and he's out talking about it saved 10 million. No, it didn't. You're lying. And then, and on top of that, you went and got it again.

And this is the mentality, and I'm like, and then it still didn't work, and now you got to get a booster because they did Operation Warp Speed and rushed it in. I want to keep it. I want to keep it a buck with you. Yeah. Me personally, I haven't taken a shot. I won't. But I understand why some people feel like they need to do it. That's cool.

I'm against these mandates. Of course. Of course. But that's what you feel like you got to do. I always I think a lot of us sitting here except for you no i think a lot of us sitting here kind of like to look at the root of the problem right and at the root of the problem you'll also find a lot of lies and illusions right and uh fakeness right i call it hypocrisy right at the root of this everybody's a fucking hypocrite

now here you have democrats forcing you to do something with the your body and you have republicans saying don't tell me what to do with my body could we replace this argument with abortion and see how everybody's a fucking hypocrite bro did we do a whole show on that like this shit is weird yeah of course it's it's weird because it's no one can identify their own it's it's it's identity politics allows you to play switcheroo with different issues like for example if i vote republican that doesn't mean that that I have the same stance on abortion as conservatives. Like, we've lost moderate standing. We've lost the middle.

And we have to kind of figure a way to corral everybody back to the middle and out of the, you know, they've successfully played tug of war, mental gymnastics and tug of war with us. And now it's like, oh, this is my enemy. And you're like, you believe that. So I'm this team. It's very tribalistic. It's got to be so polarized. And what needs to happen is that we need to be able to come to the table and say, look, Hawk, I don't agree.

I agree with A, B, and C, but I don't necessarily agree with you on D. But for the most part, we agree. That's what it needs to get to because the beauty of America, in my personal opinion is the diversity not just in you know your your backgrounds and your experiences but your beliefs right there's a famous quote i'm a believe by thomas jefferson if you got seven people in a room and everybody's thinking the same nobody's thinking right the the diversity and beliefs and your opinions that's what makes this fucking country amazing right and the problem is that

they've thrown in so many fucking things that some people can believe in. And it needs to just come back to American values. But who controls the politician? Right? It's that same group of people you're talking about. Okay. But like, dude, that's the other thing.

So, you know, what are those people? What are those? What are they? Who are they? What group do they belong to? They're not just white. Well, I mean. Hold on.

I'm being real here. We'll be real as fuck. Talk to me. We'll be real as fuck. Talk to me. These people are Jewish. That's the truth. They own all the shit.

They own the fucking banks. They own the media. They own this. Does that make all Jewish people bad? Not at all. I don't think so either. think so either no some of my biggest supporters are i agree jewish people i agree what the thing is the reason i don't like identity bro is because we like that's how they you they use identity against us in this way so for example i know you get it but a lot of these guys don't get it there there's 15 of these guys these big families that

have a gdp that's worth more than fucking every other country on the planet all right these old jewish families they own the media they own the banks they own all the shit okay and if you say that shit you're anti-semitic but but dude they created that resistance on purpose so they can hide behind it okay so now what we have to do is we have to remove the identity out of these talks and we got to say hey it ain't jewish people it's that motherfucker and that motherfucker that did it and we have to name them he just so happens to be exactly that's how it has to be exactly so this is built into our culture on purpose so that we can't even identify who the fuck is actually doing it.

Because then we're called anti-Semitic or racist or whatever. And we're easily. But that's real power, right? Well, it's easy to control. No, no, no. What they've built is real power. 100%. Right?

And I want to build that for black people. Yeah, yeah. I want to be able to. Oh, okay. I've had relationships with the adl right yeah anytime any jewish person is assaulted in new york city it's investigated as a hate crime you understand like how much power that shit is it's like you have these layers of protection what you have to remember is that's the same power that you're talking about that's creating all this fucking shit for us

you know what i'm saying like dude we got well it comes down to money though it's it's it's about economics like well i'm just pointing out people that we get a lot further my point in saying now that is not to be anti-jewish or any of that shit well i have tons of jewish friends they're my fucking homie i know that sounds like i'll go friend. You said it. I got a color TV. You said it says shit. I also don't necessarily think that those

people are practicing. Right? I don't think it's it doesn't matter. It's just happenstance. That's right. You have to see me as a black man. You have to see me as a black man. Yeah. You have to recognize my struggle.

There is no unity until you see my pain. You acknowledge my pain. Right? Because if you're sitting here like, oh, my God. Yeah, but, bro, listen. Oh, my God, I have this pain inside of me. I'm sick. Help.

Help. Just acknowledge it. And you're like, nah, fuck you. Your pain ain't real. I'm like, fuck you. Bro ain't real i'm like fuck you bro like yo but here's the thing is like i personally like i don't subscribe to that because my suffering has never been validated so what happened with me is that rather than identifying in with a collective human pain body of a group i deal with it myself and then I use it to create things and then it loses its power.

Right. So I, I believe in extreme ownership and extreme responsibility as individuality. So, you know, and I also went through this as like, you know, tragic mulatto kid, right? Wasn't black enough for the black kids, not white enough for the white kids can't fucking speak Spanish. So I, so that's a very isolated place to be. And I don't know if that's, you know, and I'm just saying, I hear what you're saying. Which you have.

But the demand that someone else recognizes my pain. Yeah. I don't need that anymore. Here's the thing, right? Because what does it do? When a white woman cries, right? Or when a white woman is harmed. Or when a white woman cries right or when a white woman is harmed when a white woman is missing america stops america there was just a case there was america stops right so so we can't

say it was blown out of proportion to get us off the shit yeah but but it happens it always happens like that when a white woman is harmed it's it's it's always like this we go back to the thing you said about acknowledging the pain yeah yeah yeah so like dude all right i can respect that yeah okay but here's what i don't respect and this is what i ain't fucking doing and most people ain't doing it bro yeah you and i are grown men we can have man conversation we'll squash whatever differences we have and like we have I think we've built already a good foundation for a future good friendship. Right on. Okay?

But I ain't kissing nobody's fucking feet to apologize for shit that I didn't do. You see what I'm saying? Here's the thing, right? I'll throw- But look, dude. Like, we see on TV. Yeah. We see literal black dudes walking up to white people on the street and saying, get on your

knees and fucking apologize. Bro, that's- That's propaganda. Okay. Yeah, that's- Fuck out fucking apologize. Bro, that's crazy. Okay. Fuck out of here. All right. I saw that. That's like one strange video from Europe somewhere.

That's some wild shit. Yeah, but that's what they're putting out. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Fuck you. Pay me. Japanese people got reparations. Jewish people got reparations.

Everybody who's indigenous people got reparations everybody who's in indigenous people got reparations everybody who this country harmed got their money okay except black people let me ask me my bread who's supposed to tell me to kiss your ass like well yo yo so who pays that yeah but here's the other question like yo this is the real fucking issue blm raised 200 million dollars yeah we're the corporation for what happened with George Floyd. And why the fuck didn't black people get that fucking money? We talking about $90 million, right? We talking about $90 million.

Now, the thing is, you have to understand, I'm an independent BLM owner. No, no, no. I'm actually young. I'm red, black, and green. I still adhere to a lot of the same philosophies. Listen, I'm not with BLM the fucking business. Those people can fuck off.

Okay? The reason I reached out to you is because I recognize that you are a part of what we often talk about on the show, which is the cause, the actual true cause that black people fucking matter. Yeah. And this is what I fight for. This is what I risk my life for. This is why motherfuckers are literally trying to kill me. But this is, this is, this is what I fight for. This is what I risk my life for. This is why motherfuckers

literally trying to kill me. But to answer what you said, right? In the world, people can't see the difference between those two. I get it. That's why I created

Black Opportunities. But, um, what they're going to do with that money is their business, bro. I can't,

I can't. It's like the Salvation Army. I ain't going to run to the Salvation Army to red calls and say, hey, what you doing with your money? What you do with that money is on you, right? But what is Hawk doing? Our organization

started a charter school in the South Bronx, right? Where we teach our kids every day a real history, right? We give them an education that meets their needs. You can't teach a black kid in the South Bronx the same way you'll teach a black kid in the South Bronx the same way you'll teach a white kid in some rich suburb, Orange County or something. It's two different levels of conversation. It's two different needs. Let me shut the fuck up.

Hold on. It's two different mindsets, right? Everybody's not programmed the same. So we built our school wildflower charter school to teach our children you understand what we're doing is we're building these healing centers so that we can empower our people i'll start off small our crew is maybe 10 deep i could bang i could bring 25 000 in the street but we 10 deep we got lawyers we got ex-cons my sister left a career in finance like we have really capable black folk who didn't say i made it out i'm all i care about so why isn't you why

isn't your organization getting the media attention that it needs to to continue to expand fucking terrorists just watching news just watch the news. To expand to other states and other cities in the nation to do this work. I'll stand up. And nobody likes, they used to call them uppity Negroes, right? I am the most uppity Negro in America. Yeah. Because I'm going to tell you, if you hit my people, I'm going to hit you back. And when you ask me, oh, you want me to back, I'm not backtracking.

Fuck you. If you go and shoot some unarmed person, I don't care if they burn down 20 buildings. I do not care, right? Because nobody cares about little kids in Iraq getting hit by bombs, right? So we're talking about war. I care about that. Yeah, but as a whole, people weren't, when the towers got hit, people weren't saying,

well, what about the innocent victims? No, George Bush was on TV saying, God bless us, we're going to war. We shouldn't be in those fucking wars. We're going to eradicate people. Let me, no, no, no, this is, hold on, hold on. Let me just ask this because we're talking about, we're talking about the action of violence for social change.

What do you think about January 6th? I think January 6th, I think the armed protests against the mask and the mandates. Remember Michigan people took guns and went. That's the American way. I think January 6th is the American way. You piss off Americans. You piss off white Americans

and they're going to get mad and fuck some shit up. You infringe on their rights and they're going to let you know it's going to be hell to pay. I can't condemn them. No, what? I mean, they did what they felt they needed to do.

You should be there with us. Huh? I was invited, but see, here's the thing. I'm just saying, because that protest was not a black or white protest. They're trying to make it seem

like these are all white supremacists that are... No, motherfucker. The government says this and they're not doing that and they're fucking all of us. Here's of us. And that's all it is. Here's the problem, right? By the way, when I said us,

I wasn't there. People are mad. You better clear that shit up. You know the feds is on my ass. So here's the problem, bro. Fuck. Biden and him may or may not have cheated. Right? George Bush stole Florida and stole the presidency.

This shit always happens. Here's what I think. This shit always happens. That's real. People steal elections. Listen, bro. And that's a big thing. I'm glad you brought that up.

Yeah. Because here's the thing. I think what this has shown, I think this last two years has shown every single person with a critical thinking brain that we have been fooled for a long fucking time. Donald Trump did that, too, though. He showed it, though. With his his disregard. Right.

For for Donald Trump. I don't want to have the same. Donald Trump is a racist argument. We have reasons that were laid out. People have reasons that they say they don't agree with. But Donald Trump came in and was like America first. Right. And he exhibited that through actions that kind of made everybody else feel excluded. Like I'm out here fighting for black people's rights. And he's telling cops to be a little bit rougher with people. You understand? And we all know who's going to get abused by these police.

When he started talking about immigration, right? And to be fair, I'm going to wrap it up in a really, really unifying way. A unifying way that says the system is against us, right? So when he started saying immigrants are the problem, and he banned countries, four he banned countries for those countries black right out of how many though yeah out of the seven with the travel ban for those countries were black everybody focused on the which countries were everybody focused on on the arab the arab countries right yeah it was um when you look at the border right it was mexican

can i ask you something dude what like what difference did that fucking make because the thing is donald trump was going after people of color but he wasn't going after white immigrants that's what i'm talking about when the covid shut down no i'm talking about when the whole immigration issue okay stopping people from coming to the country you can't tell me i don't think anybody should come here for a while so so so here's the thing yeah i'm gonna read so here's the thing right yeah if that's what it is then you have to go after white people you got to read white neighborhoods white immigrant neighborhood don't say no dumb shit like white people do shit the right way okay because everybody sneaks into the country you don't understand like everybody this is what i will say to that and this, and this is why you can't paint broad brushes.

The facts of the matter is, what is the majority of illegal immigrants coming in? It's Hispanics, Haitians, a lot of... I don't hate the majority. No, no, no. I'm saying what's the overall majority? So it goes back to the Jewish example, right? It can't just be oh he's

doing it because they're black no that's not the case it's the the fact of the matter is we have a large population of people influxing into this country that's supposed to be so inherently racist we have so many people coming into this country and guess what hawk they just so happen to be them it's not about so there's listen this guy sitting right my dot he's a naturalized citizen his family came here the the legal route if you right in my dot, he's a naturalized citizen. His family came here, the legal route, if you want to call it that, he's a naturalized citizen. Donald Trump banned black countries, right? The most productive immigrants in this country are African. He also banned Venezuela.

He also banned North Korea, Syria. How can you say that the country is systemically racist and that white people are all racist and this country you can't like this is what my problem with crt this is my problem with crt bro you look at these people these little little i see a little four-year-old black kid okay and you're telling this kid hey look dude you're gonna have a hard time because this world is racist it's this it's this it's this you can never win but the biggest fucking group of winners that come here are black is is the thing it's a fact and that's a fact here's the thing he just said that here's the thing here's the here's the thing when you start talking about crt at the heart of that argument

hawk gets mad is people no i'm not mad. I just... When I get emotional, sometimes people don't pay attention to my shit. No, we're having a great conversation. No, we good, we good. But when you start talking about CRT, you're telling America to come to terms with this ugly past. Like, a lot of people do not...

Like, when you say, well, give me an example of systemic racism of whatever. A lot of people are under the illusion that these things don't exist. A lot of people think Christopher Columbus was a hero. A lot of people think black people had every opportunity when they were denied insurance so that they could pass down generational wealth, when they were denied home ownership. Right. And these are two of the biggest ways to accumulate wealth and people are under these illusions so right now we have to take a critical look into america's history and we have to tell the truth about it

no because there's a couple things here i get get that. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, my fiancé's father, he's right there with that, right? Because he has experiences from the past that validate his beliefs, right? Sure. Cool. In 2022, do you have an issue getting health insurance? In 2022? No, I got a $2 million fucking health insurance policy. Here's the problem.

Hold on, let me finish. Here's the problem. We're talking about life insurance. Let me finish. Go ahead. You know what? Because that's what Republicans do. Let me finish. I am above that, and I let me finish. In 2022... We talking about life insurance? Let me finish. Go ahead. You know what? Because that's what Republicans do. Let me finish.

Above that. And I let people speak. I let people speak. Let me finish. Let me finish. So in 2020... I guess my question is... See what that says up there?

Look what it says up there in the left corner. Let people talk. My question is, is that in 2022, okay, all of... Addressing the past. Okay, cool. Slavery happened. But are we also going to address the fact that you also had black African communities who were also involved

in selling black people to the slave trade? Are we going to address that as well? Are we going to address the inbred breeding that we had in the South that was also perpetuated by black Africans that were slaves? Are we going to address that as well? My point is, is that, so what? Like, okay, not like as if it doesn't matter, but now what? In 2022, I don't have any issues getting a home.

I got a 1% interest rate on my crib. I have a $300,000 house. I have a $2 million life insurance policy. So these things that, okay, yes, they were issues, but is it holding you back now? Hold on. If you took all the black people

in this entire country. Well, see here, hold on here hold on hold on hold on i'm hearing two different things i'm just being real what i hear hawk saying is and i hear you dude we talk about this all the time i hear hawk saying that nobody's acknowledging the what the fuck has happened okay so so okay so so let's say that right right let's just say okay we have to acknowledge the hardships that the black community has gone through which i don't think any reasonable human can deny okay so what level of acknowledgement is acceptable to where we can move forward as a team because it's like so what now wait what about so so let me let me walk through this right okay um the average black person in america would believe that their history started in slavery

the our kids are not taught that they were kings and queens right that's that's their experience here our our children are not informed of the fact that a lot of the people who are identified as negro or black or whatever were indigenous people were here first right our textbooks are skewed in a way that minimizes the black experience right so we need to give an accurate history of America. Now, if you want to talk about what you were saying was like, yo, I got a million dollar home. You know, I got that. You know why there's resistance there on the white community? Be real. The reason there's resistance there is because we are told that if we that because of that.

OK, and I agree with you, bro. We only get one side of history. I'm a big prop because of that okay we and i agree with you bro we only get one side of history i'm a big proponent of that i talk about that all the time yeah i let people do their own research because the minute you say anything outside of line you're a fucking bigot here's the reality you're right about that but what i'm told as a white man is that i am fucking racist i don't even know i'm inherently racist see here's the Yeah. A lot of folks don't know what microaggressions are, right? A microaggression is that person who says, you know, who looks at you in the elevator, you know, you got me up at the Ritz-Carlton, but usually when I travel, I stay in nice places for the security, right?

Or I fly first cast because the cops kick my ass in my bag of school right so we appreciate that way just because you're coming in bro yeah i appreciate it but because the sweet soccer mom with the diamonds next to me on the plane wants to know what sport i played like how else do you hear black person well my common response is I didn't like to sweat that much so I went to law school well bro let me be real you're 6'7

like 350 pounds like bro you look like a fucking athlete Larry Hoover you know Kanye's fighting for Larry his lawyer is a

6'7 dude too like we just I see a white well dressed dude with a body who's tall I don't think athlete but flip that though but flip that though because there's microaggressions on the others and where he played basketball. We just get, I see a white, well-dressed dude with money who's tall. I don't think athlete. I'm not, I'm not.

Look, dude, I look at microaggressions on the others. Well, no, I do. I look at tall, skinny, white dude. I'm like, man, I wonder if he can hoop. Like, that is normal shit that I look at. Yeah. I look at him and say, I want to do this. I don't ask people that. Like, I'm smart enough because I'm 42 years old.

They always ask me that. Well, dude, bro, you look like the fucking fridge. Like, even regular size, normal size black dudes. You know what I'm saying? Like they get these questions. It's offensive. Now, when you started talking about the home you live in. I can see that.

I can see that. All right. There's another side of that quote. There's microaggressions against whites as well because you can, I'm sure you look at it. Oh, he's probably a fucking bitch. He probably made his money off of it. That dude's probably got a little dick. Exactly.

I mean, there's microaggressions. Hey, yo. Hey, yo, wait a minute. I'm not judging nobody's dick. No, but the point is, who's his dick? That's my dick. But the thing, but there's microaggressions

on both sides. No way he mentioned the Asians with the small dick joke, though. Microaggressions exist, but Hawk, we got to get to a point where both sides, that can be perpetuated by both sides, and it does every single day. I get it, right?

I get it. It's not just the black community. The black community ain't the only community that's getting attacked or there's racism. You're not getting the chicken and the watermelon. You're not getting the... Check it out, check it out. You look like a homie on a corner you not get i

get that shit and the thing is that racism shit bro that shit is what's really offensive about that white shit i fit the fucking description if you're not intelligent enough to catch it it'll fly right over your head yeah so what pisses me off is the black people who that shit fly clean over there i'll be going crazy sensitive to it because it's your identity absolutely yes absolutely so let's be real let's be real like you dude everybody listen the first thing i fucking said to you i said fuck dude you're a fucking big dude yeah bro that's that's a powerful thing like that is not meant to... That is a power thing. That's me saying, holy shit, dude.

I think that's cool. Yeah. All right? Go ahead. I think what I was getting to is I feel like microaggression is just a new word for stereotype. And I think people still perpetuate

racial stereotypes. And it's just like... But there's racial stereotypes every which direction yeah but but to asians are gonna man but here's the thing individually shot for that but listen individually something that someone might say but listen so this is who's shooting you it's exactly individually so the system let off listen no no no see here's the thing. If we go undressed, we got to talk about police, right? But before we get to police,

we got to talk about... I'm good. Yeah, go ahead, bro. I'm sorry. Tommy, we all apologize to you, bro. Yeah. No, because he won't be able to call the police. I want my own fucking reparations, bro, right now.

You savages over here. Yo, so I'm trying... Listen, I'm trying... Well, that's racist, so... I'm trying to fucking... I'm trying to be... You're a savage too. You're a white savage. I'm a black savage. So my whole thing is like, I'm trying to be.

So my whole thing is like, I think that it's, there's, I will approach a stereotype towards me with empathy. Almost as I, like, if someone says something like that, I look at them and I'm like, damn, you stupid as fuck. God bless you. And I'm just like, and I'm like, damn, you stupid as fuck. God bless you. And I keep it moving. It doesn't impact me anymore. You have a choice here. And I'm going to be quick.

You have a choice here. Before, our people couldn't say anything. They'll get lynched. They'll get thrown in jail. So you have that choice. But other people have the choice to be like, fuck you. Get the fuck out of my face. We have a choice now.

Oh, no, no. I'm not disagreeing. i'm talking about individually yeah everyone has their own reaction to that it does exist and then it's like you know i choose to move through stuff like that and not and like yeah i don't need to i don't need to acknowledge it because it takes up energy when i'm trying to get money because the thing is you know what i mean like and then when i look at it like that i'm like yo you know i'm a crack baby i was abandoned at the hospital you know i mean like i i fucking grew up fucking doing all the bullshit fighting getting arrested i got beat by the cops i fucking work with the police now i help them i try to fucking you know bridge the gap and because i don't i'm not holding a grudge because

somebody had like what we're doing now is god's work if whatever you believe in isn't is god's works because we're opening communication between people who have different thoughts and experiences or very similar ones and just might not have the same amount of melanin to talk about what the solution is in this country. What needs to happen, right, if acknowledgement is the first step, because that's not enough. Like acknowledging our past, right, as African Americans is not enough. But that has to start. So we acknowledge it. But then what?

You know, then we have to tackle the issue with the community and the banking, central banking infrastructure, which the industrialized banking infrastructure is inherently racist because they make money off people who are African American staying poor to be mad at white people and not them. Well, everybody's poor compared to them. Which really, like, you make profound points right now we have to understand that no matter who the president is black people are always the most underemployed people right um obama didn't fix it trump raised it a little bit but we're always still dead last. So let's look at- Wait, what was the thing you said, though? What? What did Trump do?

What? He improved it a little. Okay, I just want to check. Yeah, the country was doing- I'm just fucking with you, man. No, no, no. Because I can say some things that- We got to acknowledge the good and the bad and all that.

Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, I'm not a hypocrite, so I can say that, right? But nobody really fixed it, right? So I don't want to spend the rest of my life marching and fighting against this system. Well, you're not. You're fixing it. The way that I fix this system is by creating those healing centers in our community where I can make people employable, where I can give people the skills that they need. Fuck that.

The reason why he's able to succeed is because he had a certain group of talents. He might have had, may or may not have had support to help him get there. There's so many of us. Yeah, I said may or may not have, right? But what we have to understand is there are a lot of people

who don't have the bare necessities. They don't have shit. They don't have shit. So we got to teach them. At the same time, we got to tear down these systems. Right. We got to take control of our schools. See, the thing is, it's not about who you vote for.

Because all politicians are prostitutes. Because if Republicans were so good, then it wouldn't be so many white people stuck in trailer parks and on welfare. Let's stop. Hey, hey, hey. You and I are the same. He's right. He is right.

If they were that great, they would have fixed these problems. But everybody always says black people vote for the same people. No. All these politicians are screwing up. How? So here's a question is, do we need a new party? And how do we get all working class and poor people? Why didn't you ask that?

How do we get all working class and poor people together to support the same party? Well, first we have to stop saying that we're fucking different. We got to stop saying that we're fucking different. We got to stop saying that we're fucking different. That's the first step. No, no. We need to say we are different. We don't agree on everything. But here's what we agree on.

Let's work together. That's 100% accurate. We can't just say me and Andy have a big brawl, a fist fight over something that was really important a violation of trust yeah we can't expect us to come together and make amends without addressing that issue so let's address the issues it's going to be hard it's going to be uncomfortable it's going to be ugly a lot of the problem with the crt argument is people don't want to feel uncomfortable i'm black people feel uncomfortable every day bro like fuck it if we if we're gonna say suck it up and keep trucking then then everybody should suck it up and keep

trucking i guess what like like come on like and this is what comes from these conversations do you think that it's beneficial for for to for kids to be told that they're going to have struggles because of the color of their skin. And this is why I'm asking this, because if you reject that idea and just keep going anyway, despite the fact that it may be true, you bear less of a burden to create an excuse for yourself to not keep going.

And that's the question that i've struggled with the with crt and is it valid is there validity in it because i understand the necessity to need acknowledgement to heal however is the ideology that there's a perpetuated self-victimization going to help anyone to succeed or exceed to their full potential? I don't think it's self-victimization when you have failing schools in our communities, right? You have our people who are unemployed, who are discriminated against. We made so many strides in 2020 with the riots where corporations diversified. They ran out and couldn't hire enough black people. Okay. Right? So you have these instances, right?

It's not self-victimization when there's a predatory system that is devouring you. Right? So is it wrong for us to say this is the truth? This is what's happening? This is what you face as black people? There are people out here who don't believe in systemic

racism. We all know it exists. There are people who don't believe so we have to destroy these narratives. I think people don't believe it's as bad as what people say. They don't give a fuck if there was a system or not. So answer me this, Hawk. Are you saying that it's in the entire black community that has issues?

Because if you are, then how do you explain the outliers? The talented 10%. So you're saying it's only 10% of African Americans that are successful? That's W.E.B. Du Bois' theory that there are a certain amount of us that understand, that know how to function, know how to thrive. Regardless. You're saying it's only 10%. I don't know what the exact number is. I'm talking about W.E.B. Du Bois.

This is decades ago, right? Yeah. And it's our job to go back and teach them. Like, you have, like, I live in the shits, bro. I understand this. I live in the South Bronx. I teach these kids. I'm on the street corners.

If we're going to keep it 100, most of these activists aren't from where we're from like i live in the poorest congressional district in the country i moved to the upper west side which is really affluent but i came back home to help my people i cannot be a hypocrite but what i'm saying is these experiences are real like like you have guidance counselors telling our kids they won't be shit bro he's you know what my counselor told me yeah my guidance counselor told me that uh i said hey he said hey you want where you want to go to school at and i was football player i said i want to go to texas or i want to go to uh notre dame right and he said to me he said well you're not smart enough to go to either one of those schools.

He said, what you should do is just go to community college and get a job. That's probably going to be your best path. He said, those schools,

those schools, and this is exact quote, those schools are for cream of the crop and you ain't cream of the crop. Wow. So it ain't just black people getting told that. No, it's not.

It's fucking loser fucking teachers that can't fucking do shit telling our kids the wrong shit. That's the problem, too. I'm with you, right? And what I believe, I'm going to let you talk, brother. But what I believe is the poor white person's experience is real, right? Nobody's not.

No, it's not. Because you have this thing called systemic racism. You have these things that bar us from certain opportunities and advantages because of our skin color these are these these are studies like it's not even a matter of opinion no but hawk it is though because again so how do you explain to me the outlier because what what you're calling outliers you're saying that you're trying to paint it as if like the entire black community has an issue with moving forward and that's not no that's not it's not the case and so and so my point is then so how do you explain because it's not 10 it's actually more it's it's it's actually more like 60 of the black community has the wealth they they they despite of what the entire

narratives are despite of what people tell them there's a the richest man in in this in a 200 mile radius of where we are the richest man is a black man you know i'm saying so so you're telling me that black people have wealth is what you're saying to me absolutely you gotta show me that number it's evident well i mean what is wealth it takes 150 000 being the top 10 yeah you i know plenty of black people who are over that number. No, you got, because the thing is, when you put numbers,

you put numbers on things, you really have to back those numbers up. No, 100%. Now, what we're talking about is, It takes $150,000. I can throw a number at you, right? Uh-huh.

South Bronx, the Bronx, has a 60% high school dropout. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Our city is failing our kids. South Bronx, the Bronx, has a 60% high school dropout rate. Right? Our city is failing our kids. Right?

You have this thing called the school-to-prison pipeline. I know that. That's a real thing. Sure. Where it's like they're putting our kids on a path to jail. 100%. Right? From the very beginning. So what I'm saying to you is, yeah, I understand, poor white people.

Do you think that that doesn't exist in poor white South? No, I believe that poor white people have their struggles. I'm not going to deny that. No, no, I'm saying- If you go and talk to them, they're going to be worried about housing. They're going to be worried about job security. Crime, because it's the same issue there. They're going to have similar worries, right?

No, but my specific question is, do you think that that's not relevant, the school-to-prison pipeline, for white communities as well? Because the data supports that it is the same. Well, you're going to have to pull out some numbers. Before we get out of here, here's my thing, right? If you look at our judicial system right white people with similar similar criminal backgrounds and histories as black people get less sentences their punishments are far less so do men versus

women yeah of course but we're still talking about this color thing. And we're having to acknowledge that it's real, that it's really happening. Because I don't remember the last time you went into a courtroom and heard a black kid get told, you have a future. So even though you raped this woman or even though you committed this heinous act, you have a future. So I'm going to let you go. Hey, white woman with a DUI, you're not going to jail because you're a pretty nice person. It doesn't work like that. Oh, you're saying rape versus DUI. No, no, no.

But these are cases just from this year. That's why I brought them up. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? These are like white kids and you see it. Well, their parents also pay for attorneys. And first, I'll tell you, this is someone who spent 10 months paying $30,000 a month. You know what I mean?

The last three months. Yeah, for attorney's fees. You get what you pay for. And the thing is, you're able to pay for these things because you have this wealth gap, right? Where white people are here and black people are there right and the reason that black people are there was because of something that you talked about earlier but i defy the wealth gap huh but i defy and there's plenty of black people that there's a lot nobody saying that there aren't exceptions but bro let me tell you something he wants that education

of how to do that readily available for all African-Americans. None of us are good until we're all good because they had those opportunities. And you know, it may not be much. It may be a small plot of real estate, but they have it. So the conversations around the dinner table are a little bit different. You're talking about mortgages. Dad has a white-collar job. You're talking about money.

Kids aren't getting that experience. Listen, I totally agree with that. That's true. Listen, I totally 100% agree with what he's saying saying we've been saying this for two years bro you're saying you're just saying a different way we have real fucking problems in the black communities yeah and the problem is the socioeconomic difference that's a fucking problem and and we have shitty schools and we have shitty fucking teachers and we have people who don't give a fuck and and that that is a burden that all people of all races that are citizens of this country should fucking care about well

that's also it's a reflection of what happens when we let the state run things like people want the state to have more control you ever go to the dmv like you're like bro i don't want them controlling so we have here i don't want them calling instead, and this is what I would ask you to consider as a leader of black communities, okay? We can't generalize that against all white people. Because like, dude, that makes white people disenfranchised with helping the fucking cause. Here's the problem, bro. Ain't nobody saying all white people are racist, but we were saying- There's a lot of people saying that.

White people, not everybody's saying that. Not everybody's saying that. But there's a lot of people saying that. White people news is saying that. Not everybody's saying that. Not everybody's saying that. But there's a lot of people saying that. Yeah, but the thing is, right? And I would like, here's what I'm asking. Okay, okay. I would like for you as a black leader to not condone that shit

because we cannot move forward with that. Let me give you this, right? Okay. Let me give you this. When white people want something to change in America, it changes, right? I don't know. I want something to change in america it changes right something i want something change something happens right they want everybody to get these vaccines we got these vaccines that like you know what i mean like when white people really care about an issue you know america mobilizes so imagine suffering for 400 plus years and motherfuckers ain't mobilized to fix it.

You got to, you feel some type of way. I can get that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you feel some type of way. I can get that. Bro, you see me drowning. Y'all all see me drowning. We still haven't fixed this.

We still haven't paid these reparations that everybody that's aggrieved gets. Like, do you really care? And now for a lot of people, it's like, you don't care about me? Fuck you. There's a real type of militancy that's with it. You understand?

And I completely understand that militancy. I do too. I fucking do too. Yeah. But here's what I'm telling you. That ain't going to solve it. What's going to solve it is fucking you and I sitting the fuck down and getting some other motherfuckers like we're doing right now and say, all right, this is what we got to do.

That's what's going to solve it. I think also too, like when- We don't need any more division. Resentment is the number one offender of progress so the the the anger precludes the ability to invite everyone to the table to fix things and i i understand listen i'll tell you how many how many people have you on the show and not to actually have a conversation versus just trying to get a fucking soundbite off you. See what I'm saying? Major Cohen.

Major Garrett. But not many. Just one. Just for all these interviews. Now it's two. Now it's two, except for DJ. So to finish the talk. You ain't like Candace Owens, who's a poverty pimp.

She's the Republican version of Al Sharpton. Had to get that out there. Don't edit it out. Don't edit it out. don't edit it don't edit it out don't edit it out i'll hit on that in a minute i'm gonna get an email about that so so you know my the the principle of of you know if resentment is number the number one offender self-pity is number two right how do we we i don't think that making white people feel bad about being white is a solution i don't think that and i and i i don't think that burning shit down and this is me i'm gonna say this i'm probably gonna get in trouble for this bro i don't see any validity in destroying fucking stores i don't see any validity in burning down

malls or shopping centers or this idea that we're going to rodeo drive or whatever unless you're like trying to get up you know i mean now do i see validity in people coming together and going to the institutions where the change needs to happen yes like i would I would much rather have, I'm, I'm talking about the fucking government institutions, state departments. You know what I mean? The mayor's office,

all that media, the meat. Well, yeah, the media, all, all of it and saying, yo,

we want to be, we want real change. And I, I just didn't, I it's, it's hard to get, it's hard to get people behind everything, all the validation of what your cause is. It's hard for other people to get behind it when it's being falsely represented. No, not only falsely represented, but also if you ain't with it, you're a fucking racist piece of shit who doesn't

deserve to fucking live which is what i've been called for it's part of the it's part of the false representation because i haven't fucking posted the motherfucking black square when i knew that it was a fucking grift from day one because i come from st louis where michael brown was fucking killed and i saw the black the black i saw him come here take all the motherfucking money and leave the black the black square was also a cover-up to fucking cover up a politician who was under a federal investigation that day. Here's the thing, right? Here's the thing.

I got enough conspiracy theories in my mind to add one. Okay. Right? Here's the thing. We're talking about what we're talking about is truth versus feelings. I give a fuck about somebody's feelings you need to tell the truth we need to talk about how our people were treated how these systems operate and i can't and if white people no no let me finish okay if white people have to deal with that then that's something they have to deal with. You understand? So you were talking about...

But you want people to acknowledge one group of people's feelings, but then say, fuck your feelings is not the way to go about getting them to empathize. I don't see the thing is... I'm just trying to say, look, there's a way... It's going to take everybody to fix the problem. There's honey and there's vinegar. And I'll tell you which one applies. Here's the thing, bro. It's 3 to take everybody to fix the problem. It's honey and it's vinegar, and I'll tell you which one of them applies. Here's the thing, bro.

It's 3.40. I can say it's 3.40 p.m., or I can say it's 3 motherfucking 40 p.m. The time is still the time. Yeah. The truth is still the truth. Well, then let's talk about some facts. So we can work, and we can talk about things, but let's not get away from the truth. Dude, I actually think what I hear, dude, like I'll be real.

I think we're all saying the same shit a different way because what I hear is that we need better schooling. We need more money in the inner city communities. We need people to give a fuck. And guess what? That'll fix the culture where we have all these people killing each other. We need federal interference. Is that not what you're saying? With the banking infrastructure.

What have I been saying for the last two fucking years? That's it. That's what I'm saying. But here's the thing, right? You talk about validity and results. We have black politicians for hundreds of years. Right. Just because we got a black face in there.

Just because we got a black face. I'm talking about solutions. We've had people in these places. You want to talk about solutions? You know when black people had the highest rates of wealth accumulation? Of real estate accumulations? The 1960s when we were burning things

down. Okay? When did Black Lives Matter make the most progress? When people took to the streets and got angry. So you tell me what America respects, okay? I'm just trying to do what's productive so I can get freedom. You know what I think everybody-

The freedom that we've been denied for our people. Yeah, but dude, see, I don't think that's exclusively black thing. Okay. I believe that that is, I believe that America right now is the biggest fucking scam going, okay? And people are gonna get mad at me for saying that because I'm a fucking patriot.

Talk about it. All right? Our fucking country wasn't meant to be what the fuck we have. At all. You and I talked about this last night. At all. Yeah. Okay?

These motherfuckers got together. Okay? You want to say whatever the fuck you say about the guys that wrote this constitution, I don't give a shit. Here's the truth. They wrote down a fucking idea and that idea works. Okay? Yeah. The problem is we got a bunch of motherfuckers running the play that ain't running the play for us they're running the

play for themselves they're not following the constitution no not at all they threw it out the window what they threw the nerve carnivore 9-11 yeah the fourth amendment was gone bro like they just bro listen these these people we have gone from a representation of the people for the people to a representation for us and guess what we ain't in the group of them saying us okay and that goes for you yeah it goes for you and it goes for every motherfucker listening to this podcast that's the truth no until we can come together bro because i agree with that's the thing they're the most afraid of if both if both sides get tired enough of fighting each other and and get together and then shit will change yeah that's how it really will change if you have if you have everybody gonna do everything in their power to stop that from happening you're out of your mind

oh come on man they look look dude most people are seriously we're hour 30 in the show most people listening right now holy shit andy's got the leader blm on his fucking show they're still thinking about that okay the reason they're still thinking about that is because the media has created an image that you and i fucking hate each other when guess what we had had a cross motherfucking word since we known each other okay Only me and DJ. And you know what? Neither one of us are bowing down and saying,

oh, dude, it's a man thing. It's a person thing. It's a difference between a person. I'm serious. The most radical people in our community. The warriors in the black community are black women. No, no, no.

It's white women too. It's just women, bro. It's women, bro. It's women, period. Women are very upset about everything. So, dude, for real talk, we're seeing this from different perspectives, but we're identifying the exact same problem. You're seeing six.

I feel like it. I'm seeing nine, but it's still a fucking number. Well, I don't know about that. I think I can see where Hawk's coming from with what he's saying. But like, dude, I'll tell you what.

I don't like getting harassed when I take a picture with two other white dudes calling me racist. I don't like that shit. You had it three fingers up? No. That's the problem.

You know some conspiracy? So, bro, that's low-key a pedo symbol on a conspiracy tip we don't have tinfoil hats no we do i got oh we do okay but i'm so and then this was also instituted in the boy scouts of america a-okay as a symbol scary yes weird wild shit bro that's rabbit hole shit people like yo but anyway i just thought i'd bring that up because that was that what they're saying like that's racist i'm like that's also something else and it's also six six

six because it's a six three times heavy yeah bro yo get with it bro do you find this shit bro i'd be knowing the things bro go watch the old podcast when I was here a year and a half ago. We're talking the conspiracy here. We're all going to go up under this motherfucking desk. We got to take it down the rabbit hole, bro. Bro, we're talking. You're sitting with the conspiracy trio. Bro, we got it. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. They were right.

I know, bro. I know. All that shit. I always say, you're always crazy until you're right. Now, I had this beef with new york city's mayor right and um everybody had a problem with eric adams until i came up and said you know what what you're talking about is wrong there are a lot better ways to do what you're trying to do we live in the age of technology we live in the age of innovation you can really figure out policing

you can figure this out in a whole new way and do some great things. But he just wants to go back to the old way. Right. So when I when I said that, everybody left me out to dry. Everybody. They were like, they kind of shot. Well, the media paint. This is why you're here.

The media pains you to be a fucking terrorist. And guess what? Guess what they like to do to me. OK, so I can understand that. The media pains you to be a fucking terrorist. And guess what they like to do to me? Okay? So I can understand that. If you don't stay on cue, like you're an individualist, right? So you have different opinions on different things. If you're not on cue, they're like, yo, you got to go.

It's all or nothing. And that's the problem. But to be honest, sometimes it's on both sides too. Me neither. you know what the problem is um a lot of these politicians and activists they pay their dues right they learn the system from other people who played the game before them nobody let me in the door they actually fought to keep me out of this because what's the most dangerous thing free thinker all right totally independent person handles their shit it's healthy it thinks freely that makes their

own decisions exactly that's what their voices say bro like 100 they don't want any courage at all like no look dude that's not debatable none of all of us can agree on that, regardless of how we see the world through our worldview. We can all agree that there is major, major, major tyranny happening in this country right now. Okay. There is a group of people right now that want us to hate. All of us hate each other. They want high crime. Okay.

I think that's the same people who want, like, this is why the mayor is doing that. Because they don't want there to be a solution. Absolutely. If they can continue to generate money off suffering in the African-American community, off race relations and police brutality, if they can continue to perpetuate that then they're going to see that's the problem i want to say something dude i'm a fucking law and order dude yeah i don't think we should be breaking fucking laws yeah okay so my like dude do you elect me to be president i'm cracking motherfucking skulls dude okay on everybody that breaks laws but here's the thing we got to get to a point where we can get

people to understand to not do that we also have a better way and that they're yeah you know communities to not have to resort to crime to survive exactly exactly here's the thing right um you know i think we talk about we talk about law and order folks want safe community that's it everybody wants a safe community right but if my rent is due and my kids are hungry you're gonna do what you gotta do i could care less about your laws and we also don't talk about this like we we don't talk about rent stabilization bro we don't like right now the rent continues to skyrocket especially in cities where crime is going up and inflation is going up this is a listen guys they want to make it so you can this is a fucking communist insurgency in america they want the middle class and the lower class to

be so fucking poor and so dependent on the government that they have no way of ever rising up to resist it. That's the whole point of communism. And you keep fighting yourself. Communism has killed more motherfucking people in this fucking globe than any other motherfucking cause. More than any disease, more than any war, more than fucking anything. And dude, we got white, educated, liberal motherfuckers that go to fucking UCLA marching around with BLm flags one that shit

see here's the thing right um i can see both sides man i don't right so i see i see the problems with the republican party i see the problems with the democratic oh no i'm i agree when we talk about this this group this control, it's them. It's the Dems and the Republicans. About 100 of them. Because just like the Dems have encouraged or somehow manipulated us to vote against our own best interests, the Republicans do the same thing. Like you had poor Republican voters who were against universal health care. And it's like, bro, you can't afford

to get health care for your family, but you're fighting against it because these talking heads, these puppets tell you that you're supposed to be against it. And you know, we're sitting here, we're talking, we have people who listen to us. But at the end of the day, it's our sincere belief that we have the people's best interests in mind. They don't. No. They have corporate interests in mind. Totally agree. And they're selling, they sold their souls, right?

And they're just trying to sell us as like fodder. And nobody sees it. It's like sometimes I feel like I'm standing in the middle of the woods just screaming and nobody hears me. Because there's a reason we talked about this earlier. There's a reason why they won't let me on CNN, MSNBC. And that's because I'll say the Democrats take advantage of black people now fox news will bring me on so i could be their scary black man well you know what i mean like and they'll allow you they'll allow you to make that point for them yeah right when it benefits them 100 100 so everybody's you know everybody's black lives matter right um until they win the election after they win the election they ain't talking about it no more i'm no fool like i see it for what it is the same mayor who was calling you know who

we're not going to be afraid of hawk he's not going to bully new york city my god how far have i come i'm a boy i'm a kid from the south bronx and you're talking about me bullying New York City. Bro, you had the president of the United States mention your name. Yeah, but when Eric Adams says that, this is the same man who was giving me kudos a year before for leading Black Lives Matter. But they all switched. You shook your hand on a photo. Yeah. Like, come on. Because they're all playing a political game. game and i think that like you know i i want to i want to talk about and i want to i want to hear

from you from your heart what police reform looks like in inner cities in america and how we make that happen because you know i i work with you know police department and lasd i've done ride-alongs i've gone gone mostly because I've been sober for almost 13 years. I go to schools and I talk about anti-drug and alcohol policy. So that's how I, my relationship with these men began in doing good work. And so I have open dialogues with lieutenants and captains and stuff about how about what's going on currently and they have ideas on how to change things but a lot of their their what they want to do to implement change is not being allowed by the higher-ups which causes me to believe that

there is an investment in perpetuating these issues in the africAmerican community, which are being exploited for massive amounts of money. Now I'm going to ask you a real question. Yeah. Right. You want this raw or you want it palatable? I mean, be you. I'm going to be me.

Oh baby. I like you. Hey, what's that say up there? Huh? What's that say? Real as fuck. That's what we want.

Okay, so I'm going to give it to you straight. Abolish the motherfucking police. Okay. Police started from slavery. There's federal data. There's data from the best educational institutions in the world that say policing is inherently racist, right? There's racism in policing.

There's racism in the judicial system. Now, you could say, what do we replace it with? So I fucks with you. You want solutions. Think about this. Reimagine policing. Cops are hammers. They only see nails, right? That's all they're trained for. They're trained to deal with a multitude of problems like in under a year,

problems that social workers, doctors, criminologists, everybody, psychiatrists should have to deal with, right? So why don't we raise the bar on policing? New York spends over $11 billion annually on policing. So you can pay people more to teach, to make sure that people obey the law. So abolish policing as we know it, replace it with social workers with guns. People who show up, who are not showing up to arrest people, but showing up to figure out what the problem is and bring about some sort of solution. Like, we live in 2022. We made it.

Okay, so I hear that, right? And, you know, there are issues where there's, you know, police get called for all kinds of things, right? Domestic violence, huge, huge fucking issues in the community. Mental health. Mental health. Yes. Now, what happens when a violent person

who's either having a psych, psyche, psycho, you know, episode breakdown episode and is, is, is bent on killing people. Like can the social, like I've, I've dealt, so I was on,

I was murdered in 2010, right? I was revived. I was killed in a home invasion, um, by a family member. And, uh,

you know, it, there, he, he was on dust and there was no winning that you seem you seem you know i don't know if you ever smoked us but it's superman in a fucking cigarette you can't you can't stop somebody there you know what i mean yeah so there's no social worker that's going to be able to handle that situation and are we putting ourselves at a disadvantage and are we lying to ourselves because if we abolish law enforcement in the underserved communities is it going to stop crime and criminality or is it going to leave it wide open because the rich people the wealthy people they're going to have police they can afford private security they're going to have bodygu, they're going to have police.

They can afford private security. They're going to have bodyguards. They're going to put gates on their communities. And then the rest of everybody else. Wild, wild west. Who do I call if my mom gets robbed? You're proving a great point. But I said we have to find a better way to make people obey the law

it's culture reform so when we talk about these social workers they will be trained they will be armed right but they won't be that guy who took a few classes at community college with a low IQ. Right. And I, so, so what I'm saying is, yeah, these social workers who are coming there to solve problems, we'll have the training to put somebody down if they need to.

So, so what are we going to call these people? No, I mean, so why aren't we just, whatever makes people happy. We're going to call them cops. No,

no. Cause the thing is, listen, listen, I got this solution for you. Let me, let me let me lay it on you because you basically said it you said the same solution i've been saying for two years what's the solution dj fund them more give them make make these fucking careers where it's

not people just coming in okay let me ask you a real question yeah all right why is it that the people that we pay our taxes to teach our kids and keep our community safe are some of the lowest paid humans. Why is that? Because the government controls the taxes. Okay. I get that. But how does that make fucking sense? The kids are the most important fucking investment of our fucking country.

And the police are extremely important because their actions can have life or death circumstances every single time. So why do we not take the part of the trillions of fucking dollars these motherfuckers have so much fun fucking writing checks for and actually make careers in policing that are appealing to high quality individuals who aren't there just to flex on motherfuckers? That's it. Right. And that's what we're saying is the same same thing but i don't even want to deal with the word police isn't it interesting isn't it interesting how we think the same solution but we're supposed to not like each other here's a gag here's a gag i'm about to tell a real funny joke yeah right well you know what

the best part about taking joke money what you don got to say it's funny before it's funny. Right. But here's the thing. Democrats know exactly what the fuck defunding the police means. Republicans know what defunding the police means. It means taking that same money and investing it into the community, into programs to keep kids off the street. We don't need this or that. We need both.

No, but here's the thing, right? When you invest in these people, it decreases crime naturally. You understand what I'm saying? Totally. Like their biggest thing is, oh, there's never enough money. You said, dude, if I don't have money to fuck, if I'm fucking free. Okay. The fire in the Bronx.

Yeah. Those people are fucking poor or fucking freezing. And fuck, dude, that ain't right. Okay. We can do both. These motherfuckers. That's the point. People don't.

People do not want to understand this point. These motherfuckers are so bad at spending money. They take our money and they spend it on themselves they say hey you know that toilet seat was seven thousand dollars uh hey steph you own a construction company go put that toilet seat in i'm gonna give you seven grand you give me half of it back that's how the fuck it works every fucking now the fire in the brock what i'm saying is for the trillions of dollars that these motherfuckers pass on bullshit, we could do both of these things. We could increase the police salary so that we...

For better training, higher quality career advancement. Like, dude, when you and I were kids, bro. Also, psychiatric evaluations. 100%, dude. The psychiatric evaluations. Yes, we've been training the police. No, no, no, no, no. We've been training the police since Martin Luther King. We've been training the police. No, no, no, no, no. We've been training the police since Martin Luther King.

We've been retraining them. Here's the thing. With policing, right, there are quotas, even though there's not supposed to be quotas, where they go and they have to get a certain amount of arrests in New York City so they go to our communities and they harass people, right? And that's wrong. I'm done with the policing.

I'm done with the police. Let's just figure some new shit out. Right? Let's just figure some new shit out. I can understand why you feel that way. Yeah. It's not a realistic solution. Why not?

Because, dude, there are bad people. There are bad people of every race. But I just told you. I just told you. Let me say something. We're going to have folks who ensure that they obey the law. Just not policing as we know it. Steph, hold on.

I think also this is a very intrinsically important part of this problem is that police officers do not live in the communities they serve. And it used to be like that yeah and listen the rules were changed and and it's i'll be real with you like yo when i got in trouble i knew the cop the cops they would take me home they beat my ass and then take me home my parents and then i get my ass kicked twice well they'd be like yo do you want to go he wants to take you home you're like uh you know because i set a car on fire because i was you know i mean like because i was doing dumb shit you needed your ass beat by your parents i got my ass but like this this is the the difference is that yo like we're like law enforcement is not allowed to serve the communities that they live in anymore

they change that and it started in boston because there are police officers who are get who are involved with crime families organized crime and organized crime was getting over like they were buying off people to look the other way so they could continue to do what they were doing but as a result you have strange faces and other neighborhoods trying to enforce rules and that's creating more conflict. You know what's really interesting about that is a lot of these people develop their opinions by watching the news, right?

So you have this dude who's from upstate New York who views young black and brown kids in the inner city as these violent animals. So they come in. Who the fuck said that? Yeah, exactly. Who said that yeah exactly oh joe biden of course that's right it'll be all of them yeah no else yeah super predators yeah no no

there's these are these are these are facts man and um i just really really need people to understand that you can be because nobody's gonna go with me when I say abolish. Right. But you could be pro police accountability and pro police at the same time. A lot of people don't get that. A lot of people believe cops are always right. They're not. No.

OK, look, I have even the cops say that they're not always right. Then, you know, they're not always right. They're not. When was the last time you saw a cop protesting another cop for doing something bad? Now, they'll walk off in protest of a mayor. We saw a dude arrested, dude, on the spot. Here in St. Louis, we had a stocking situation. I mean, bro, I'll say this on the law enforcement thing, right? Because I've experienced it.

Hold on, dude. I want to say what I was going to say. I got to fucking say something here. I'm the biggest fucking donor to St. Louis' police fund. The biggest one. I have been for a long time. All right? Most of these dudes and most of these women are good people just like you and I.

If they were sitting in here, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the problem is there's this culture in policing of don't fucking rat on each other. Okay. And so we have this fucking scenario where there's a certain percentage, which is small of cops who abuse their fucking authority and harass the fuck out of people and do shit the wrong way. And the police, and I just want to say this because we have so many police listening to this. You guys who are police officers need to self-regulate and get those fucking guys out of the fucking force period. That is the first

step that needs to happen. The second step that needs to happen is that we need to create when you and I were young, all of us guys were young police was an admirable job people's people would say i want to grow up and be a doctor i want to grow up and be a policeman i want to grow up and be a fireman we all said that shit when we were kids nobody says that shit anymore because it's not a desirable job they're underpaid they're overworked they're highly stressed and bro they're they're improperly trained so we need to quit spending money on fucking bullshit pcr factories in fucking germany right we're giving 300 million dollars to motherfucking afghanistan terrorists and start saying no we need to create positions

in our police department that are high quality so that like parents of children will say hey you should go up and be a policeman. Right. Okay. You can make two, 300, 400 grand. Right. What if policing, bro? It also lends itself to the idea that you talked about in the Hasidic Jewish community

that why could the African-American communities have their own law enforcement? Well, there you go. I'm not against that. These are things that we teach. These are things that we definitely teach now. But you see what I'm saying, right i'm saying yeah no i'm with you i'm with you i'm not with you with you but i get what you're saying right so i'm just saying let's just i always operate from like if i was in charge yeah that's how the fuck i would do it i would say hey we're cutting this bullshit we're doing this we're fixing this we're gonna make this a high paid career we make teachers

make three times as much money which will attract higher quality people to do that job. Dude, most teachers are teachers. Why are most teachers teachers? Because they get three months off the motherfucking summer. That's it. The biggest drugs in party animals in college with me were teachers, right? But on the police, like when I say policing is inherently racist, people be like, Hulk, how could you say that?

But Democrats and Republicans both agree that there was an era of mass incarceration. Who was making those arrests? It's not. Who was making those arrests? Donald Trump even addressed it. That's why I got so mad for all the black people voting for Joe Biden, bro. No. I got so mad about that.

You have no idea. You have no idea how angry that makes me. Right. But we have something in New York. A lot of people only see the wild shit. Right. But. Well, that's all they want.

We had. We endorse. We have a political caucus where we endorse folks. Right. We have five candidates who won their seats for city council. Right. They're introducing something called a thin blue line bill. to um shatter that blue wall of silence like that's something serious now if cops are covering for other cops right they are compliant they are actually perpetuating this cycle of

brutality so they should go to jail right because if you think like i'm gonna lose my liberty i'm gonna lose my freedom i'm gonna lose my pension. I'm gonna lose my freedom. I'm gonna lose my pension You shouldn't they're gonna look at their partner like they shouldn't have brother. I 100% agree with you That's it Look, dude If we're all on the same shit and we come across some bullshit and one of you guys does that shit We all the three of us got to be like no that's wrong, right? But that's not there So this is why we don't trust them. I think people are like why are you running around screaming fuck the police you understand why that shit ain't me the reason the shit isn't taken seriously is

because abolishing them completely creates the wild wild west and everybody fucking knows that but here's the thing or even the stigma of that yeah they won't even allow you the platform like you have right right now we're talking to three million people yeah but hit god bless each and every one of y'all but listen they won't allow you to have The platform to fully explain yourself What they want to do is put you on TV Saying defund the police and then they cut you off That's it I've never heard

The social worker with a gun I've never heard that one time And listen to that point though To the same point though Hawk what I will say is that we also We have to give credit where it's due. You agree with me on that? Right. There has been major strides in law enforcement such as things like CIT. Are you familiar with that? It's critical incidents training. So it's a certification. It's an 80 hour certification course in most places, I believe. I might plus or minus a couple of hours that that specifically train officers on how to deal with uh obs uh cases or people who

are having a mental crisis right it's crisis intervention training and and and so that is a huge stride that is all over the country and so there are things the funny thing is though what's that sound like to you sounds like social work that's. We're all saying the same shit. But you're talking about 80 hours versus a whole degree. For sure. You know what I mean? My point is, though, is we have to give credit where it's due. And so what I'm saying is that you want law enforcement to be better and to move to this next level.

You can't get that by attacking them and saying that they're ain't shit and they're all like, fuck you. I could attack politicians. I could attack teachers. I could attack a pl gotta pack tech teachers i can attack a plumber if he fucks up my house they're the same people that they know that's what he's saying what i'm saying what he's saying what he said listen what he's saying is to get buy-in from everybody which we need right we need a fucking movement for this right to get buy-in from

everybody we can't be talking crazy shit like oh remove the police because that's all motherfuckers hear. But they're idiots. Okay, I agree with you. They're idiots if that's all they hear. There's so much information out there. I think to also not acknowledge that the mass collective psychology is not acute. It's not.

So choosing and this is a thing like right now I'm coming from a place where I don't want to contribute to the divisiveness anymore. I fell into that. I put my flag in the ground. I said my thing. I stand by my principles. I said who I am and what I believe.

However, my bullishness and brashness about it turned people away from being able to hear the truth that I was saying. Same issue Candace Owens has. Same issue all of us have.

And so basically, and so basically, the consequence of confidence is sometimes we isolate ourselves from the people that need to hear what we're saying the most. 100%. And so what I want, of confidence is sometimes we isolate ourselves from the people that need to hear what we're saying the most. And so what I believe is the most important thing

is that there's a unification so that the problems are changed so that we move on to the next thing. And it can't happen overnight. It's going to take time. It's going to take a lot of time i just um like bro i'm gonna keep it a buck with you i'm gonna keep it a buck with you everybody's talking about unification tired i'm tired it was an attempt on my life last week. Like, well, people were trying to kill me. A psycho killer had my name in a manifesto.

I can't waste time. I can't waste time with niceties. I can, I believe in unity, but I believe we have to fix the black community first, right? So what people can do on the other side is, right? Like what you're doing here is you're like. But I can do on the other side is right like what you're doing here is you're like but i ain't on the other side yeah okay right but folks who might not listen to me but will listen to you right you can go back and tell them you know here's what he means when he says to defund the police but i'm gonna you something else. Whether I called it reallocating funds

from the police or reallocating, no matter what we said, no matter what we said, they would have vilified it. I know, bro. They would have vilified it. Because this is what they do.

Like a lot of, like we're here in this MLK day, right? But MLK was a communist terrorist when he was alive. they only amplified him after death posthumously right that's when everybody oh we loved mlk like we just have to be cognizant of the the the tricks that are being played on us in a way that they're manipulating us and when you have truth tellers people gonna keep to keep you away from them they

broke right yeah yeah not all white people are bad bro why do you keep saying that because man it's like the language that fucking because you keep saying you keep looking at me and you saying on the other side i'm not on the other side no because and there's a there's a dude most of these people that that they tell you are white supremacist racist fucks they think like i think most of them there's always going to be outliers bro there's always going to be shitbag white people and shitbag black people yeah and that's reality yeah okay the what the people who aren't shitbags do we gotta do what we're doing right now no and and it's good but you know you know, you got to understand, right?

Like, if a black person doesn't like white people, he can't deny you a loan from a bank. He can't stop you from moving into a neighborhood. He can't deny you a college education. It's so much more insidious. But they can cancel you. When it comes to black folk. Man, they couldn't cancel Dave Chappelle.

Like, I think they... Who the fuck is causing all the problems? Let's be real, dude. The people that are causing all the fucking problems are literally fucking college... They're a very small group of people causing all the fucking problems, and they do happen to be white.

They do happen to be fucking white. It's liberal white college kids who are coming out of jobs, getting jobs. We can't leave the wealthy, the jobs that's it but that does not mean just like i said with the jewish thing that does not mean all white people are fucking bad and i see this shit a lot and it does piss me the fuck off because i actually do believe that we need to fix the motherfucking black community isn't it's an ideological thing bro i get pissed off when i see people calling me fucking all these shit and I'm over here trying to fucking do something right.

Like, dude, if we keep calling everybody each other all these names and shit, we never get anywhere. That's all I'm saying. Listen, at this point, we have to resolve that people000 and we delivered food to 200 people, different households every day. Right. We did this when everybody was hiding in quarantine. And I saw the police using social distancing as an excuse to break up a gathering of a vigil. People were lighting candles because somebody died, right? And cops kicked a lot of behind that week prior under the guise of social distancing.

And I stood up and I was like, these are our communities. You can't have outsiders coming into our communities telling us what to do. You know how many times I've experienced and I've heard, I've witnessed police talking to people with absolutely zero zero respect like you said me too i'm 330 right i'm six five i'm a fucking monster yeah and if you didn't have that badge you wouldn't be talking to me like this and if you didn't have that badge that gun you wouldn't be talking to people in this neighborhood like

this so let's draw a line in the sand and say, you're not going to do that. It's the internet. The internet is a perfect example. That's the motherfucking mask people. That's the vaccine people. So the thing is, these cops have guns that can kill you. I understand. Get away with it.

Listen, I get it. So do I. Yeah, but dude, here's the thing. I don't know if you're going to get away with it, tattoo boy. I don't know if you're going to get away with it, tattoo boy. I don't know if you're going to get away with it. Shit, man. You got too much melanin. Well, then again, you got resources.

I know some people. You got resources. Well, dude, look, dude. Here's the thing, though. With that, what we're talking about. No, no disrespect. No, no, no. No, no, no.

Bro, listen. Back it up, back it up. You big. You ain't that big, bro. I crack jokes. If I'm cracking up, no, I'm serious. If I crack a joke on you, that means there's a part of me to like you half this show is bullshit anyway so let's be real this episode is going to be called the dead

ass episode yeah dead ass is fuck look man listen i agree with all that the culture in a police community as a whole is fucked up. I don't disagree at all. I believe that most individual police officers are doing a job that is noble. They are doing a very difficult job and they are undervalued and underpaid for what they do. Now, with that being said, until they fucking handle their own people and stop this fucking bullshit. Yeah. Okay. That shit, like police are like, why does everybody hate us? Because I talk to them, bullshit. Yeah. Okay? That shit, like police are like,

why does everybody hate us? Because I talk to them, right? Yeah. Well, the reason everybody says they fucking hate you guys and the reason nobody's coming to stay with you guys and stand with you guys

is because you got those fucking, out of a hundred, you got those three to do that shit. Those three got to go. Yeah, they got to correct that. As long as you're protecting them, you're just as bad. I agree.

Yeah. I agree. Oh, shit. Yeah. And that's why I say there's no such thing as a good cop., you're just as bad. I agree. Yeah. I agree. Oh, shit. Yeah. And that's why I say there's no such thing as a good cop. Well. And you just agree. No, no, no.

You can't back that up, baby. No, I don't. You can't back that up. No, no, no. I don't agree with that. Nah. Listen to what you just said, right? You said you got those three.

Yeah. And you're not isolating them. You're not kicking them out. So that makes you just as bad as them. Yeah, but dude, it's a systemic problem. Just like you talk about systemic fucking all this other shit yeah okay you have the leadership it's not also seriously it's not i talked to a lot of these cops i'm with you yeah we have the ccrb in new york bro i have fucking friends who are great look dude one of my best friends is a new york city police department guy he's a fucking one of the best mike coonahan one

of the best fucking men one of the best men i know period he is a fucking morally straight good man bro if he goes and he says hey these dudes are doing this shit they fucking fire him come on you see what i'm saying so that's that's it yeah so like dude The system is in a position Okay but that doesn't mean We fucking Wipe it clean And let the wild wild west happen No that means We create a different structure Okay

A different operating system This is a business podcast Right Yeah yeah We create a different Business structure Yeah you talking about The fucking master of systems

Right here Come on Alright We create a new system Yeah Exactly And do away with the old listen man replace the old system just vote me in i'll fucking i will crack the hammer on these

motherfuckers well one thing i will say though when it comes to law enforcement and i told you this earlier too a lot of people don't understand everybody wants to eat bacon but nobody wants to see how it's made and at the end of the day you deal with a lot of fucked up shit the worst the worst right and so my thing my only point is is that at the end of the day, you deal with a lot of fucked up shit. The worst, the worst. Right. And so my thing, my only point is, is that at the end of the day, whenever there's good, there's going to be evil. Evil exists.

There are people, white, black, yellow, whatever, that will just want to hurt you. Stop Asian hate. They're not yellow. They're Asian people. But evil exists, man. And to think. That one didn't take take off they tried to push that one hey bro i thought it was people like people hate us like what no no bro like what do you mean holy shit let me tell you my thing with asian hate they i still get trolled by them right because they were they were like, stop Asian hate. I was like, okay, if you want to talk about Asian hate, right?

And you got to talk about Asians' roles in the black community. Wait, do people really hate the Asians? Because I don't see that shit. Listen, listen, you're not going to get it. I fucking love Chinese people. No, so you sound like a fucking racist. No, no, but real shit, right? Wu-Tang Clan's entire whole thing was bad.

Y'all are insane. Y'all are insane on here. No, no, but real shit, right? Wu-Tang Clan's entire whole thing was YOLO culture. YOLO insane on here. But no, no, no. Let's talk about this, right? Like Asian people come into black communities, right? And they make tons of money, right? And don't give anything back.

And on top of that, you always see these videos where they're disrespecting black customers, where they're putting their hands on black women. So when everybody was like, Hawk, stand up and say, stop Asian hate. I said, well, are we going to talk about these other things in that conversation? And all of a sudden I was this bad. Well, come on, bro. That's me with black people. Come on, dude.

But see, here's the thing. Oh, dude. No, no, no. You're talking with black people. Come on, dude. But see, here's the thing. Oh, dude. You're talking about gotcha. I just got you. Not one time did you say, oh, black on black crime is a problem. No, what you said was there are circumstances. I've been very vocal about that. What you said here, right, was let's talk about these issues, why people are killing each other.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? Black on black crime is a fucking huge problem. All right? But the reason it's a problem is what you're talking about. Yeah. We're saying the same shit. But white-on-white crime is a thing, too.

Crimes are about proximity. You harm people who you live among. Okay, so now... So if it's black-on-black crime, then it's white-on-white crime, it's Asian-on-Asian crime. Bro, no. You know what I mean? It's all about proximity.

No, I got him back. He don't even know I got him. It's all about... Bro, motherfucker, look. It's all about proximity. No, I got him back. He don't even know I got him. It's all about proximity. Look, there's bad white people, bad black people, bad Asian people. You just made, I got you now. Oh. The one thing, Hawk, that I would say, so I want to know what your take is, because in my personal opinion, right, we can do all of this, right, or you can give all the reparations.

At the end of the day, there is still... Oh, he got stats over. He's leading me. He's leading me. I want to know how much reparations, because do I get half of reparations because I'm not full? Well, what do I get? I'm fucking

Sicilian, bro. I'm black on the inside. Where the fuck do I get? You get a bowl of pasta. Motherfucker. Oh, God. No, no. I'm black on the inside. Where the fuck do I get? You get a bowl of pasta. You got that dick, motherfucker. Oh God, no, no. I got to get out of this room, bro. I got to get out of this room, bro. What did you guys say? You get a bowl of pasta.

Oh my God. I got to get out of this room. No, no, I'm serious though. But like, like when you start talking about reparation. But how, what is it? Let's- What's that look like for real? Because we hear these... I want to give you the platform to say that because we hear that shit and it sounds crazy as fuck

and the media makes it sound crazy as fuck so there's more division. Let me hear what Hawking Newsom thinks about reparations. Okay. Black people saved this country's economy, right? They were the ones who picked the cotton and brought us to the head of industry. Right?

There are businesses. The one that pops in mind immediately is Brown Brothers and Harriman. Right? Brown Brothers and Harriman

insurance company started out selling life insurance policies on slaves. There are a lot of people who made money back then that are still making money today that owe us. America owes us, right? When they ended slavery, they gave reparations to slave masters, right? So I'm going to sit here in full confidence and say there are people far more qualified than me that have

put a lot of time and effort into detailing how reparations should be laid out it's descendancy it's it's it's who you are there's there's people out here who spent their life so different you so like so basically it's an individual thing like, like whatever family or descendant from wherever. So basically, it's not like a black government could just be like, everyone's getting a million dollars. I don't think everybody's equal in our struggle. You know what I mean? A lot of times-

See, I've never even heard that argument. I say I'm a foundational black American, right? Like my parents were my ancestors. It's common sense, really. My father's from North Florida. My mother's from South Carolina. It's safe to say our family came in through the port of Charleston, right? And we've been here for quite some time.

So we helped build this country for free, right? So I say that black descendants, people who are descendants of slavery should get a check. Do I think that every black person who's on American soil should get that check? No. So, because they weren't injured.

They weren't injured in that particular instance. They weren't injured. Who is determined in that? instance like they weren't injured it's it's when i say i'm who is determined in that when i say i'm a fba when i say i'm a foundational black american people call me divisive right you want to talk about me as an american well let me tell you why why you know why they do that because people like me who didn't come here until after 1900 most of the world sees as a white dude yeah are told literally i'm told fucking thousands of times

in the last two years about reparations and then i personally should be writing fucking checks for reparations and i'm like bro i didn't get here until after all that shit was done. First of all, I'm Irish, highly fucking persecuted. I'm Sicilian, highly persecuted. And I'm an American Indian, highly persecuted. So what the fuck do I get? And I got to pay? See what I'm saying? So my point is.

The money should be paid out of taxes. Because if you're reaping the benefits of this country, meaning that you are benefiting from this economy, from this society. But isn't everybody? This society was built on our backs. So if we're dipping into that tax money in these corporations. I think it's built on a lot of people's backs. But I say a lot of people.

I would say that your argument is valid up until the point you say that you guys are the only people that built it. But a lot of people had a lot of people had a lot of people like the indigenous people, right? They got something. Give me my land and tell me to get the fuck out of your face. Have you seen what they got?

Right, but here's the thing. During the Holocaust, that money can never make up for the pain that Jewish people suffered that it people suffered. But it was something they didn't give us anything. It's a smack in the face, bro. Like, it's really a smack in the face. Like, we built the fucking White House, right?

Like, we built this country. Like, the economy was built on our backs. And now that the country is where it is, the greatest man. So what's that worth though bro so like okay this is this is what we do we have to put a bunch of smart people in the room and figure out what that number is okay and let's let's figure out a formula now figure out what that number is i don't even i am anti-reparations that's my that's always been my philosophy okay my philosophy is hey fucking we've all all of people have suffered at some point and

we need to move the fuck on and work together. Okay. That's my philosophy. But you think it's fair that other people. Oh, go ahead. I'm hearing you out. Yeah. All right.

And I'm talking hypotheticals. Now, let's just say, I say, hey, Hawk, you know what? You're right, bro. Let's track this down. Here's a problem I see with that. Okay. If we, because the founder of bt was like everybody should get what do you say 250 grand or some shit okay first of all 250 grand ain't that

much money for a fucking family it just isn't all right and it can change your life you think it will but here's the problem dude if we hand 250 grand to a bunch of people that have never handled that kind of money for what are are they going to do with it? And still our financial. So we got to, we got to come up with a secure way to fucking ensure the financial stability of those people. That if, if we were to do that,

listen, listen, you're on to something, right? Um, like an annuity or something that lasts. When you look at, when you look at how money exchanges hands,

right? Jewish people were recycles. I don't know, 20, 30 times. Asians is like 14, 60 times before it leaves their community. Black people is like once, right? We have a trillion dollar spending power, okay? Like we have enough to build something, right? But nobody is doing that. We rather run around and march and fight this and fight that instead of building real infrastructures in our community. This is why

it benefits everybody. The money is like water in our hands because it's going to everybody else, right? Everybody owns businesses. You from Brooklyn. everybody owns businesses you from brooklyn everybody owns businesses in our communities except for us you know what i mean like like like you look at the restaurants you look at the banks like like you do not is the the the the property we don't own the property we live in huh why is it why is that the case like when we when we talk about so like when we compare uh the the african-american community to um immigrants why is it that certain immigrants can come to this country with nothing and then get into you know open a store or do this or do that is it does it go again?

Is it back to bank loans? I think it's bank loans. I also think it's a psychology. I think that we are just in this place. And by God. That's what we talked about. That's what we talked about twice already. I just want to breathe.

It's psychological. It's hope. Psychological. It's hope. Absolutely. It's hope. And a lot of people don't there's an apathetic nature look dude there's this ptsd with being i'll say it bro there's

an apathetic nature in the black communities that is caused by a lack of hope they don't see a path the path for them is entertainment rap or fucking sports okay so there's no hope why don't they see hope what's because what's they dominate both, you're not going to trick me again. No, no, no. Look, bro. Yeah. I'm agreeing with you on this. Yeah. All right?

Like, I'm. Call me twice, can't be fooled again. Yeah. Well, I see how he works now, all right? So, that's that JD. There it is. I'll lead you. I'll lead you.

Not very many people can do that to me, so kudos to you. Appreciate that. So, but dude, but you're still wrong. Not at all. Not at all. all but no what you said is is right like man i me and my dad god bless his soul we started this organization called the bronc sharks we helped like only like 100 kids get scholarships to and these kids weren't lebron jameses these were kids who had a little bit of skill and we would send them to like Western Arkansas or Swamp State. We'll just find somewhere to send

them. Jesus Christ, I lost my train of thought. I was thinking about my dad. Shit, where were we? Sorry. About building hope. Hope, hope, hope, right? Like, we gotta breathe life into the people. But it's gotta be

real, dude. It cannot be this fucking Democrat bullshit where they go down there, they hold a fucking rally, and because they're Democrat, the black community cheers for them, and they don't do shit. I mean, that's the question. How do you get

who is gonna be the person to stand up and represent these people and and make them believe that they can do anything i can't i can't like me it's too easy to shoot holes at me right so if if i was it's gotta be all of us yeah it would it has to be the days of fucking mlk rising up bro i've been waiting for two years for a fucking leader to stand up and say, this is what the fuck this is about. This is what we got to do. It's not happening.

So the alternative is it's got to be all of us taking interest in that. See, the way I look at it, bro, is we're all a big, huge family here in America. Okay. And if we look at it that way and you got, let's say you're in a family. Okay. And you got three brothers and you got one brother over here who's making great money he's good yeah you're the second guy all right you're not making as much but you're good then you got the third guy he's a little bit behind and then you got the

fourth guy who's a total wreck all right the three dudes are going to look at the fourth guy and they're going to say we got to fix that shit yeah that's what a family does but bro that's what society's got to do we got to do it actually. That's what a family does. But bro, that's what this country's got to do. We got to do it. Actually, I don't think they have to do it. I think black people can do it on their own. I think that we have the talent. We have the intellect.

Don't you want, don't you want, don't you want our, do you not want me to buy from your business? Listen, yes. Okay, well then it takes all of us. Yes, yes, yes, i do but the jewish company does a good great job at insulating themselves and doing business with everybody else but i think it has to be members of the black community who are going in block by block

and giving our people the skills this is why i stress uh well i already told you i would i'll come help teach like like this is it like like this is this is really it like the time of us waiting for other people to come in and help is over the time of us relying on politicians to help us overcome is over it has to be people in the community or people who have successful and made it out of the community going in and saying okay we're going to teach the least of us okay but here here here's an idea i want to put in your head what if we did that for everybody like legitimately for everybody here well i mean realistically because whenever whenever i run programs listen bro 40 of the people in my programs are latinx okay you know what i'm saying like like when you think about a latinx you mean

a latino or latina fuck out of here you know exactly what i mean right or we could say afro latino because a lot of uh latino people are identifying with their their heritage right but um when when we had our christmas give back our thanksgiving give backs, 40%, 50% of those people on the line in those communities are Latinx. So, yeah, I'm going in there black first, but everybody's getting some. I'm not going to turn the kid away. Get your little Spanish ass out of here, kid. You're just for black. Never would I in 100 million years.

Come here. Sit down. Learn. Let's work. The language that the black community uses on the aggressive side makes it seem that way on the outside. Well, you know what? America has been using aggressive language with us for 400 years. I'm not going to hear me out.

You know what, bro? But here's the deal. Okay? If I come in and you punch me in the face, I'm going to punch you fucking back. Yeah. And then guess what's going to happen? You're going to punch me again. Then I'm going to punch you again.

Right on. Where the fuck do guess what's going to happen? You're going to punch me again. Then I'm going to punch you again. Right on. Where the fuck do we get with that? Right? Like, we got to get to a point, bro, and I know it sucks. Why we always got to turn other people? It's not you. That's not what I'm saying. I mean, like, black people, why we always got to be the ones trying to get along?

What's the alternative? What's the alternative? Build black communities. Okay, hold on. This is not what I'm saying. Okay. Look, bro. We have got to come to an understanding that we are all in the

same fucking boat for real yeah and we have to move forward together like those motherfuckers that are drilling holes and there's people that are fucking picking the boat's taking on water bro yeah and so my absolutely so my point saying that for everybody is this the idea of this country and the idea that mlk fucking talked about too was all of us moving together as brothers and sisters all right we have to get to that point however the fuck we get to it now turning the other cheek that's not what i'm saying at all i'm not saying that like dude i think the black communities do have a rightful gripe to be upset about what the fuck happens in the inner city like dude it is not it is not right. It's not okay. And it's not something that any fucking person should be okay with for any reason.

Okay. And what the problem is, is you have a, and this is a problem. You do have a group of people who only care about the inner city because they have to go there once in a while. See a fucking game. That's it. Right. They only give a fuck about it because it affects them.

And that is not good enough. People have to get to an understanding that we all should be caring about each other in equal ways. And however we get there, it's going to not please every single human. You know what's crazy? I just want to, like... Yeah, yeah.

I used to believe in love. Like, I used to believe in love. Like, I used to believe in love. There was a time where I gave a speech. It wasn't fire. It was common sense. Like, we could get there. Bro, you still believe in love? We could get there together, right?

But every time I look up and I see people have meaningful ways to help, they don't want to help because it's not on their terms, right? If there's someone drowning in your pool, does it matter how they ask for help? You're going to throw them something to help them save their lives and stay afloat. You're going to jump in and grab them. But people just look for excuses not to help out, right? So you have these... You're asking them to help in the wrong places. You have these...

No, because it's been Democrats, it's been Republicans, it's been corporations, it's been individuals. Well, bro... It's been everybody, bro. And I'm being real... This is heartfelt shit. Motherfuckers only want to help on their terms like if you look at our

Black Lives Matter organization we are we pass we are the most impactful we passed seven laws in the last five years we have a school 2020 we fed 25,000 people like we do to work but we speak truth to power right we are not going to

tap dance for every anyone we're going to give it to people straight so they say you know what because you talk the way you do we're not gonna help you even though you have a formula it works bro that's not what i'm saying no this is what my experience is he's saying his experience in politics yeah yeah so so so so you know and when when i was talking the love thing right when you would expect people to help out it was like a little bit here a little bit there so right now i'm i'm i'm angry angry black man ain't even a term to describe me i'm furious yeah i actually i'm furious i actually don't have a problem with that yeah at all yeah but what i do have a problem with is the divisive nature of how the fuck we

attack we we this commute these people like bro listen man no bullshit i can't even take a picture with like if i took a picture with three white dudes, I'm going to get 30 fucking comments on my feed and say, where's the black guy? Because that's not a good look. Like that's the shit on the other side of it, right? Yeah. So that makes it not like, it's like,

well, what the fuck? I can't fucking do anything. Let me go grab a black guy to put in this picture. And by the way, that's racist. Like that's a racist thing. Like, hey dude, I to get my black friend over here and get in a picture so I don't get fucked with. And like, dude, that's no way to be either.

That's all I'm saying. Like, bro, we got to identify who are the real people causing the shit. And we got to get them removed from their ability to cause the shit. And however the fuck we do that is the way we do that. After that, I think we've come to some really good conclusions here that we saw the last batman when bane and them took over the city yeah made everybody walk the thin ice that's the we need to get on we need to start snatching these politicians because we can work this out okay well now you're on the domestic terrorist list I'm going back to the terrorist list I bet they people were like it was NYPD

officers that wanted the FBI to come and get me after the thing with the mayor it's been going on for years bro you can't they've got it now they have it now dude you've been watching the news I am a domestic terrorist because of just believing in fucking what I believe man listen

and like bro that's why you don't see resistance right now to any of this because they are quelling it with threats bro we live in a tyrannical system yeah they are quelling the uprising the ability for us to unify with threats from the our own department of justice calling us okay conservative i'm not even conservative i'm a fucking moderate by the way they're domestic terrorists for saying hey our government's fucking us like bro we live in the place that they warned us about when we were in fucking second grade which was this hey man you know you're lucky to live here in america you can say whatever you want against the government.

Over in China, they arrest your ass. Well, guess what? They do that shit here now. But it's both parties that want to lock us down. Nobody's allowed. Here's the thing, right? Let me ask you about this. The thing is, when you sat here and you talked about systemic racism,

you talked about the fuckery, for lack of a better term in policing. Right now, what you have to understand is there are people whose beliefs result in our oppression. Right. Like, like there, there are people out there who,

who genuinely want to keep us down. Right. If that ain't you, you're going to have to wipe that shit off. You understand? Like, like, like you're going to have to wipe that shit off. You understand? Like, you're going to have to wipe it off your shoulder. You see it's water off a duck's back? You're going to have to get past that and keep moving because everything

I post, yo, you're a black racist, you're this, you're that, people come at me, right? And I just keep my eye on the prize. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I just keep my eye on the prize just because I know the dirt that white people have done. Right. A lot of white people have done.

I'm not shutting out other white folks who are down with me. You understand? Like, I don't think for one second. That's the perception. The perception is that, though. Everybody think I'm a racist. I do not know why. Hey, welcome.

I do not know why. Hey, welcome to the club, bro. I do not know why. Like, like, like. Is this your first time? Welcome to the club. I do not know fucking why. Is this your first time? Because I love black people. Like, you know what's crazy?

You know what's crazy? Like, everybody had a problem with the name Black Lives Matter. Why it got to be black? Why? No, no, no. You could have had an Asian federation. Bro, that problem, that problem. Listen, I'm going to tell you where that problem came from. What?

That problem came from us here. Okay, look, dude. BLM, the corporation. Yeah. They came here to St. Louis when Michael Brown and the riots happened here in Ferguson, okay? And they fucking fleeced our entire community and bolted. People didn't want to hear that when George Floyd was killed. They didn't want to hear that shit.

All right? So I didn't post that fucking black square. I'm not posting that shit because I know what the fuck they're doing. See, here's the thing. Everybody who posted that black square, what the fuck are you really doing? That's it. Like, show me the work. That's it.

You know what I mean? It's armchair activism. It's virtue signaling. It, show me the work. That's it. You know what I mean? Like, it's so much deeper than that. It's armchair activism. It's virtue signaling. It's performative. Yeah. Well, that's why the identity cards are so great. A hundred percent. So when you talk about, you know.

Performative. That's a hundred fucking percent. BLM Global, right? They don't control the streets. Yeah. Like, the majority of this Black Lives Matter movement is people who see something fucked up happening that is racist and they pick up a sign and they go outside that's why that's why there's this disconnect

right that's why those are the real people who carry this yeah but you hear what i'm saying all right yeah so that's why there's a disconnect there's a disconnect because there's a lot of people who watch that fucking happen and they saw it happen already and then when this other shit happened so here the fuck goes again same shit yeah and they saw it happen already. And then when this other shit happened, they said, here the fuck goes again. Same shit. And they're like, fuck, I'm not fucking supporting it. Let me ask this question. They do great work.

What do you feel about... They do great work, but the problem is... I'm not down with that Marxist bullshit. That's not... See, people got their philosophies. That's cool. You know what I mean? Marx isn't cool.

I mean, you're Marxist, but you support your... Let me ask this. Let me your Democrats. Let me ask this. Let me ask this. Let me ask this. Because what's your take on, you know, like Antifa and their involvement, or some people say hijacking of a movement and their escalation of things? Antifa ain't hijack shit. Antifa is a bunch of white dudes, you know what I mean,

who understand what America is It's like oh you got the KKK Who just want to go out and fuck with people And fuck people up Well guess what we're a bunch of white dudes Who are anti-racist and we'll fuck you up Nah that ain't who they are Let me tell you something

This is what started it This is where it was It was a lot of white dudes Who came out who was anti-fascist Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This is what started it. This is where it was. It was a lot of white dudes who came out who was anti-fascist, who was like, we're going to shut them down. Now, are black people members of Antifa? Yes. Am I an anti-fascist? Yes.

Fucking, fucking AIM. Like, do people really understand what Antifa is? Well, the movements of Antifa, their actions. What are their actions? I mean, what, their actions. What are their actions? I mean, what do they do? What are their actions, though? They burn things down and break things and fucking make problems. They walk around with pots and pans.

They fucking teach our kids that communism is cool. Pairing up pictures of fucking Ma Ling in the classrooms. Hold on. So wait. They walk around and they blow things up, right? Because they're angry. They felt disrespected. Bro, those people, these are the same white people

you're saying that are, but they're co-opting. They felt disrespected. I don't think they co-opted a movement because when Rodney King was killed, when Rodney King was killed, people went out and burned shit down. Yeah, of course.

During the age of Martin Luther King, when folks would get violated they would go out and tear shit up these are not behaviors that are new these are behaviors that was taught to us when america feels violated it blows shit up so when you got people who feel like they're being violated in this country and they go out and do what they were taught. They're wrong because they're breaking the law. Now, blowing up buildings in other countries, that's not against their laws. They don't have anything on paper that says America or other countries can't drop bombs on us.

Sure. Sure. But here's the issue, Hawker. The problem is that those white liberals that watch around in Antifa, they go up and blow up the black fucking communities and they go right back home to the white suburbs and make sure that they stick their BLM sign in the front yard and act like they're performers, bro. During the George Floyd uprising, it was a concerted effort not to burn down shit in our own communities. Yeah, who burned it down?

This is shit. Now, y'all want to get into something? Y'all want to get into something real? We were out there in Minnesota, right? For all those listening, I was out there as a peaceful observer. Peaceful protest. As a peaceful observer, right? For everybody.

All those alphabet boys who are listening, right? Right? Hey, guys. Bro, the way those fires were set was too synchronized. Bro, they're dropping off pallets of bricks. For it to be regular. But here's the thing, right? No, no, no.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Who funds them? You're talking about funding Antifa. I don't even know if Antifa gets money like that. Oh, they absolutely do. You understand? But here's the thing, right?

You also had white supremacists out there who were mixing it up, right? Who was the guy that killed a cop out west? Killed a cop in L.A. He was a white supremacist. He was a boogaloo boy. Tell me about the fires. Oh, the fires, man. That shit was weird.

So Wells Fargo burned up, right? And this is right across the street. I never felt, I don't care what anybody says, I never felt more free in my life than being in the streets of Minnesota. It was the freest I ever felt in my life because we really owned the streets. There were no fires. There was just the people out there voicing their opinions. It wasn't as much anger as it was joy in the fact that you were out there with people who were saying no more, right? So the fire started burning.

Wells Fargo, right across from the prison, started burning. I could give a fuck about Wells Fargo burning. They paid out billions of dollars for their racist ways, right? So I could care less about that. But as you were looking at Wells Fargo burning. They paid out billions of dollars for their racist ways, right? So I could care less about that. But as you were looking at Wells Fargo burn a building a

block away in the other direction to go on fire, right? And then when you're looking at that one, another one, it was like synchronized. Yeah. Right? And why? And then you heard stories, right? You heard stories, right? In a roundabout way, like, yo, somebody may or may not have went in the building and saw like, he was like, bro,

the whole floor, the whole basement was on fire. I ain't never seen no shit like that in my life. It was people out there who own businesses like, I'll give you a few hundred dollars if you let this shit, you know, if you burn this shit down. It was a lot of funny stuff going down. There was a lot of people out there who were angry, who might have damaged some property, but there was definitely another element out there. Definitely another element. You don't think that it's a possibility

that maybe those were intentionally set to create a certain optic on TV? I believe yes, but by whom is what we need to talk about? Can we say? It ain't us and it ain't you and it ain't anybody

in this room or anybody that represents that. I think everybody needs to come to that realization of that. Who the fuck was it? I know that they found white supremacists. Who did January 6th? Crazy white people. Yeah! Come on, dude. I mean, is it a stretch?

I mean, is it a stretch to consider that a three-letter agency would be highly invested in making things way worse for optics what would they gain they gained a division they shake the jar of the ants bro see i'm saying no unity no resistance lots of stuff to film it's the same as soon as the riots happened all the all the ads

based on the news skyrocketed they understand something very everyone who everyone who sold ads during that time they were selling them off like crazy it was like worse than this it was like more expensive ad space than the super bowl and that's what people fail to realize oh yeah yeah because when everyone's watching the tv and they can show it everyone's glued to the tv so news agencies raise the advertising rates during the riot whenever there's heavy they do the same thing during a major sporting event and i can say no i get that part but i wouldn't imagine so now think about it that's a major fucking sporting event you know i'm saying like so now you have a situation. This is about freedom. No, but you understand.

Let me tell you. I'm sorry. But this is one of the things I talked about in the marker video, how the same families who will financially benefit from the organizations, the companies that are taking in money are also promoting it through the media outlets. Here's something that's really interesting. Hold on, hold on. No, I just want to just-

Is that what you're saying? No, I get it. I'm going to give you something. The families that you're talking about, the things you said earlier, they are hardcore black revolutionaries that believe the same thing but because we disagree on politics or certain elements folks will never come together this goes back to what we're saying

right as long as people who are on the bottom of the socio-economic scale are bickering over whatever distances they have instead of figuring out where they can work together, right? Folks will never look at the folks on the top. They'll never look at who's on top, the puppet masters. Like, they just won't see it. We live in. That's all I've been trying to say for two years, dude. And I think also, if you take into consideration

the George Floyd uprising, right? The extensive nature of how many riots happened simultaneously. And it's very, very strange. I believe that the majority of it was organic. I agree with that. It was organic, right? People coming out was organic. I also agree that the majority of January 6 it was organic. I agree with that. It was organic, right? People coming out was organic. I also agree that the majority of January 6th was organic.

I think, yeah. But I think a lot of the, even the destruction of property, that's not violent. It's property, it's not violent. The destruction of property, I believe a lot of that was organic. But I believe that there was definitely some elements there who are trying to amplify this right for example so i like i volunteered and helped clean up the los angeles riots right because i had i

had you know i had friends who were minorities who had their stores destroyed yeah you know so we we were out there you know minorities what do you mean minority like now non-white business owners well here's the thing. We are the global majority. So we're not minorities, brother. Keep that one with you. That's a free one. We're the global majority. I'm going to put that in my pocket.

Anyway. Back to what I was saying. Yeah. There were instances where these photo shoots and photo opportunities and video shoots of police cars being overturned and burnt those are not real police cars they were parked and abandoned and they were Hollywood set

cars right there are hangers filled with vehicles those were not the standard issue LAPD police dropping off all the pallets what I saw I've seen some police cars torched right but um i do there's there's things that i've seen there's things that i've experienced which makes me makes me believe that the media is out to amplify these messages. Now, it was like, who does it benefit, right? Democrats are

out. Yes, we're pro-Black Lives Matter. They're painting streets, right? But not really giving us anything tangible. Joe Biden just told us to kiss his behind when we asked for reparations. Oh, yeah, bro. He reversed the thing Trump did with the historically black colleges. And even Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump had me in a commercial for re-election. It's like the Democrats are going to let them burn down your cities. You need law and order protection against Hawk and his friends, his amigos, right?

So it's like both sides sides both side the bad hombres yeah it's like both sides benefit from it um it's it's it's crazy do i do i know for a fact that there are anarchists amongst us who come out and do what they do yes like i what you got to understand is when there is destruction in this country, people listen quicker and more attentively than when there is peace.

I don't think anybody debates that. There's no debate in that. I'm not a violent person, but at the end of the day, I see what's working. Am I pushing a button and sending people out there? No, I don't have that type of power, right? But what I'm saying is that, is it possible that these things are being done in a capitalistic nature?

Of course. And this is another reason why I think the protests, we've tried a lot, right? But if we learn to boycott industry, right? Like if we learn to, you know, American Airlines, I have no problem with them. I'm just using them as an example. Well, Frontier Airlines did something really nasty to a friend.

So let's say Frontier Airlines, right? Let's say we just stop supporting them. We spend so much money, it would matter, right? Like, if we could just take this to an economic level, like, people would be forced to help us. What if we got everybody to agree with those things? Yeah. That'd be beautiful. Now we're talking about

major overnight damage right away. And I'm an anti-cancel culture dude. I'm a pro-freedom dude. People should be free to have their views, but you should also be free to reap the consequences of those views. Nobody's saying you can't say nigger.

Yeah. But when I punch you in your face, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, God, it's freedom of speech, but it's freedom for me to kick your ass. You know what I'm saying? You know what I said, bro? We were in a better place 30 years ago

when you could get in a little fist fight and then have a beer afterwards. You know? Everything's on. Everybody goes to grab a cell phone, bro. It's like we grew up in the... We grew up, you know, I mean, we're grab a cell phone we grew up you know i mean we're we're around this is the fucking oh look at this i gotta i gotta talk about i gotta talk about eric adams right it was his first day as mayor he was on the subway with 30 cameras

around him and you know he had his cops his detail with him he sees a fight in the street he calls the police hey guys uh you know we got an incident how are you a man of the people why don't you go break it up come on andy so i just got back to new york two days ago right and i'm driving and there's a food pantry and one guy's irate bro that's a missing that's missing an opportunity he's a fucking idiot for doing that that would have been a great he could have went to that motherfucker, broke them up and then gave him a talk. Yeah.

Bro, he's not, he's not, we have lost men. Yeah. We are not men on both sides of the aisle. Men are not being allowed to be men. Period.

Period. I don't know if anybody can allow you to be a man. Well, that's the thing. It's like, you don't get airtime when you're a man. Well, that's the thing. It's like, you definitely don't, bro, yeah. You don't get airtime when you're a man. You're saying things... No, they call us toxic. You're toxic, bro.

I'm toxic AF. I'm toxic AF. You're not adhering. But I respect women. I love women. But when I got back to New York, I'm riding in my truck. You know what's toxic, bro? Not being a fucking man. That's what's fucking toxic. You want to talk about real toxic masculinity? Oh, shit.

Toxic masculinity is being a weak fucking man who won't stand up for what's right, who won't stand up for what they believe, who's too cowardly to make a statement because they think someone's going to fucking cancel them. Right. That's some weak ass shit. And that's the reason we are where we are. Because everybody fucking knows, all you motherfuckers know listening to this show, that this shit that's going on

in our country right now, and I'm not talking about just the race shit we've been talking about, police shit, I'm talking about fucking all of it.

It's fucking wrong. I think people should talk about this pseudo manhood shit though, right? Like, a man can't cry, right? No, you should be able

to cry. A man can't get mental health. No, no, bro. I mean, a man can't get therapy. That's not, that's not. Like, this is, somehow, cry. A man can't get mental health. No, no, bro. I mean, a man can't get therapy. That's not. That's not.

Like, this is somehow it gets mixed up. I'm friends with some of the, what people would say, are the most toxically masculine dudes. Toxically masculine. Yeah, yeah. For every fucking one of them. Dude, I talk about this on stage. Like, I talk about my attempted suicide.

I talk about my recovery. I cry on stage. Come on. You know what I mean? Like, that's being a man to me, too. You should have been like that's being a man to me too you should have to be allowed we have to be allowed where we have to be allowed to have a space where we have emotion but we also have to you know we can't push our place in society as protectors and as as people of reason listen bro you know we have and be a professional victim at the same fucking time that's the problem we have to also reevaluate how we look at women

right yeah like like like we live in a sexist world you know what i'm saying where women aren't taken seriously when we were just talking about how brilliant and smart women are but these things are being lost in the conversation right because like right now you're either toxic or you're extremely overly sensitive let's go back 50 years bro and let's look at how people acted how they behave they had manners they opened doors they fucking did shit they had god that's right that's right bro that's a big yeah god that's right hey that's when everything really starts like they had we're living in a situation where it's and uh man i just i feel for women i almost feel like we got a fucking just like dude dude but it's listen it you you think about this and you think about even

like what like we're an economic crisis and it's and it's like the the normalization of hyper sexualization of women it's not you know and it's listen dude i'm you know sex drugs are rock and roll i cut the drugs out yeah the rest of it the rest of it stood and it's like you know at my age at this point now, like I joke about stuff and the experience that I've had, but I've known and loved some people who have suffered, suffered, you know, and it's like. It is a lot of it is a lack of masculinity. It's a lack of fatherhood. It's fatherless homes. And then also, you know, our role is, you know, I think also supporting the hyper-sexualization of women. Because we also grew up in a time where.

You're saying the right shit right there. Yeah, there are posters on the wall, like, you know, oh, this chick, like Vivica Fox. Bitches ain't shit. No, dude. And then rap music. It makes me sad as fuck. Rock and roll, like. Yeah, yeah.

It makes me sad as fuck, to be completely honest i have some friends who are beautiful women and they're good people and i know they're good people and literally all they feel like they can show the world is their bodies and like dude i don't like that shit it makes me sick and and dude and and i'm as guilty as anyone of consuming the shit but it also it's also he's got to end it's also the algorithms and social media men have to stop consuming and and valuing women for their fucking looks that's it has to stop bro we got to teach men how to be men that's it like in a lot of it because you know we have women in our lives my sister ran for congress my sister and i founded black lives matter greater new york

together my sister is my right hand as well as my left. We're in this together. I feel like she'd get so much more respect if she was a man. I feel like we were going to meetings when she was running for Congress and the men would talk

to me instead of talking to her and she was the candidate. The sexism is real and i don't i don't think we are cognizant of how we downplay yeah but we shouldn't over correct that to be where the man is the fucking passive little weak thing and the woman is the like they're trying to create i was raised they're trying to create that they want to remove all all of population control yeah well i yeah i think i think it's it has a whole nother thing we can go episode two guys we're definitely gonna do another show that's what we'll talk about next time

yeah i don't know i i think like the the you know's another, that's another complete other debate. That's another person to have on. Like, what do we like as men? How do we support women? Right. Without, because I don't, I don't want to be like, I'm an ally and just be like one of those fake. Sore boy latte. Well, a lot of those guys, all they're really doing is they can't compete in the sexual climate to procreate with these women.

So they feign caring about their beliefs and caring about their equality. So they get an opportunity to make. But to that point, women contribute to that as well because they pay to see that like that's what we want. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Like we want a man that obeying your feelings, grow your ponytail out. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's no different than what Hawk said about violence. Yeah, but that's not. You know what I'm saying? We want a man that will be in your feelings. Grow your ponytail out and let's go over to Starbucks. It's no different than what Hawk said about violence.

You're taught that, shown that. That's what the fuck you do. That's what you do. Women contribute to that just as much as men. I put it in the analogy. Just as much. Absolutely. They paint the picture that that's what they want. And so men, then lower their standards, grow the ponytail,

go to Starbucks. I love Starbucks, bro. Okay. want and so men then lower their standards grow the ponytail go to starbucks and and oh that's because i love starbucks bro okay side note this motherfucker asked me at alma milk back there i said oat milk are you lactose though no well no man what what the way i see it is i never forget i said something that was dumb that i didn't know it was dumb at the time i was like man if you really want to plan to work get you a bunch of women and go to work right because women get shit done like they organize and they really get things done dudes want to procrastinate lollygag whatever. But some woman came on and was like, how about you support the woman's vision? And I was like, shit, it's kind of, it's kind of right. You know what I mean? A lot of

times we push down women's ideas and they have to fight harder to get their ideas out and get the support behind them. And I think we really have to be cognizant of that because, you know, I have a daughter. I don't know if you know what I mean? Like you cognizant of that because you know i have a daughter i don't know if you know what i mean like you have women in your lives and you know those women aren't idiots but they might be sitting in a boardroom and not being taken seriously because they're women you understand so we got to start tearing that stuff down it causes resentment and the accumulative resentment in the female pain body is having a similar resentment to the African-American community and that feeling not heard and not seen. Right. So then what's happening is it's going the demand to be seen and be equal is the is the actual action of demand is making it so these people are not heard universally.

And the solution has to be to bridge that gap. I wish I felt better after the, about the world after this conversation. Yeah, but it's not, it's the real part. It's like, how much work do we have to do?

That's it. You know what I mean? It's like, it's an abundance. Bro, it's the whole, it's listen, we all,

every fucking human on the planet, when you're standing at the bottom of that mountain, you start realizing how fucking hard it's going to be. It's a little demoralizing. Yeah. So that's what you're going through. That's it. You know what I'm saying?

But at least you're staring at the mountain. That's right. Some people are staring at their feet. And you know how you get to the top of the fucking mountain? There's only one way. One step at a fucking time. That's it. That's it.

That's it. Point blank period. For me, it's only one way. One step at a fucking time. That's it. That's it. That's it. Point blank period. For me, it's like, it's one hood at a time, bro. Yeah. Just, and I keep talking about it. It's literal healing centers, like, in the hood. Where people walk in and it's like this space and you feel this energy. Like, I told you when I walked in your factory, I felt this spirit of productivity.

I just want people to feel a spirit of empowerment. Like, yeah, that's the world out there. It's gunshots, it's drugs, it's whatever. But you walk in here, you're coming in here to become a better person who's going to meditate, do a little yoga, feel a little better about yourself, get a little healthier. And that's what we have to do community by community. So let me let me this all come this is no matter how we cut this pie bro it's all going to come down to this yeah okay we have got to encourage personal responsibility okay to take care of our own needs and wants and get out there in the world make some shit happen because i'm going to tell you right now it doesn't matter if you're black doesn't matter if you're white doesn't matter if you're asian it doesn't fucking matter if you're going to get somewhere in this life, it is going to be

fucking hard because there's a lot of people who are going to try to stand in the way. There's a lot of people who are going to try to discourage it for a whole bunch of reasons. And at the end of the day, what we have to do is we've got to teach people how to persevere, overcome, and work towards the common good together. It's got to happen. You know, they said, I think Dr. King said it, and they were like, you know, you got to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. He was like, you're talking to people who don't even have boots on. I understand.

So what we're doing is we're trying to give people boots. I understand. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what the next movement has to be. Like, there are great organizations, you know, NAACP, like that's, that's, that's what the next movement has to be. Like there are great organizations, you know, NAACP, they have their legal defense fund.

You have a lot of organizations out there doing a lot of work, but there isn't a national organization that is empowering black people. Right. And that's what I'm trying to empower. I get, no, I get that no i get that i get that our kids right now yeah everybody's kids are being taught bullshit we're being listen these motherfuckers listen america is not intended to teach kids this shit okay i'm gonna say it can't be everybody i'm talking hold on yeah right now everybody's taught to be fucking mediocre yeah we're taught hey take what you can get work your way through life don't get too loud be like everybody else and fucking take what you

get and be happy with 17th place that's what the fuck we're taught you get a you get right now you get a trophy for 17th place you're getting told you're awesome when you fucking suck we're getting we're getting told all this shit bro these, these kids cannot hear those messages. The messaging has to change. And if we want our country as a whole to be a safe and secure and a country that provides opportunity for real and results for real for our own people, and that's you and me, okay, We have to start teaching real psychological understanding of what it takes to succeed personally. I get you. Yeah. Right?

But here's the thing, right? I understand you're saying that there needs to be extra focus on somebody that's behind. I got it. I get that. I got it. I'm going to go and focus on these people. Yeah.

And before there can be any true unity push, we have to heal our communities. Because if we don't heal our communities, when everybody becomes unified and starts pushing ahead, foraging for the new future, we're going to get left behind. No, they get forgotten about. So we got to be healthy. We got to be healthy so that we

could we could join that push like i i never forget i got in the war and i was up like bro people don't understand how much we're missing out on by oppressing human beings you realize the the these these great how many different how many more steve jobs we've had how many more they're trying to put us on a motherfucking metaverse. They're trying to put us on a fucking metaverse with fucking bugs, sitting in a fucking room with no possessions, no clothes, no fucking nothing. Bro, that's scary.

They're trying to enslave the human race. It's scary. That's what we're up against right now. It's scary. And our enemy is pure evil. And it's common. Right? And it's everywhere.

And what will happen is when you get out here and you start making strides to really wake people up, they're going to come for you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We won't filter. What I say to you outside.'d I say to you outside? What'd I say to you outside? We're outside smoking. They're going to try and kill us.

I said, you know what's going to happen, right? They're going to come for both of us. Right. It is what the fuck it is, bro.

I've had a good life. I don't give a fuck. You ain't stopping me, motherfucker. Psychic told me 90. Motherfucker, you better come correct. You better come correct.

You better not fucking miss. I said a while ago, you motherfuckers better just drone strike me. Because I ain't fucking stopping. I ain't fucking stopping. And I ain't afraid of none of you fucks. Yeah.

No, I don't think they'll come here. Because everybody in this whole facility is like jacked. Everybody's doing like push-ups every 10 minutes or some shit. Everybody in here is like swole. I'm looking at this place. And, you know, I just got to give you credit, you know, for this environment. Right. Thank you.

Because, because, because. Well, I got to send that credit to these guys. Yeah. These are good people here. This is dope, man. And, you know, you always look at the workers and people didn't look sad back there. You know, I'm not talking about the desk folks. I'm talking about the people in the bags moving the boxes.

And you know what I mean? There's one thing. I know you're big. I know you're big about the desk folks. I'm talking about the people in the bags moving the boxes. You know what I mean? There's one thing. I know you're big. I know you're big on the American flag. Yeah. Our family is pro-black, militant as fuck, but we were always super proud Americans. It was like this abusive relationship.

America kicked the shit out of us, but we love America, right? Like when the National Anthem. We love what it can be. The ideal of America. 100%. I want what they sold us. Not what they actually gave us.

That's what I want too. That's it. The ideal, right? So like it was crazy because I used to watch games. And I used to stand up in my house for the national anthem right so when the thing happened with Kaepernick it was really a great awakening because it was like damn America's not holding up its end of the deal to us so why should we respect that flag and I made a pledge I said you know I'm not standing up for the flag until this flag is truly honored.

And my people are treated fairly. And, you know, I said, I understand how you feel about the flag and what it represents. And I just wanted to share that with you, bro. Oh,

bro. This is like, listen, because I appreciate that. And I already knew that. Yeah. I fucking knew that. Yeah.

Like, bro, what'd I tell you about Hawk before he came down? I said, before you ever talked to him, I said motherfucker's cool he's got a good heart he's doing good shit he he happens to represent what the media says is against all this other shit and there's more bro i already i read you 100 on that right on yeah right and like dude one of my biggest things is like i want everybody in this country to feel that same way

when they see that fucking flag. I want everybody to feel that way. And I understand, but dude, we're on the same page. We got to build this country up to honor that, that dream that was America. You know what I'm saying? I think we've gotten away from that. We're really, really, I think, unfortunately, man,

we've moved further away from what that flag is supposed to mean. Well, like, my experience of the, like, what that flag means to me is, it's actually very different. Like, to me, it represents no matter what circumstance I've been handed, I can still make it and that's because that's my experience as an individual right and so i've been i've been to russia i've been through south america yeah i've been all over europe and you know i've traveled a lot of places i don't want to live in those places because it doesn't matter like if you're in it doesn't matter what color you are in china the answer is no no can you can can i oh can i no no you're not allowed the glass ceiling well

what they do actually in china is they create all these little avenues for people to feel like and they can complain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the answer is- Social media is doing it now. Yeah, bro. I realized that if I was in the favelas of Brazil, I'd be taken out. I got homies, just activists out there. I understand how real it would be for me in other countries, right?

But I don't want a piece of the American dream. I want it all. I don't want a piece of my civil liberties. I want it all. So when you tell me life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, I want everything that's on that fucking paper. Me too. And anybody or any system that stands in the way of that,

you have a serious problem. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what it has to be. One of the other issues with that on a personal level is, like, a lot of people, you know, are about the pursuit of happiness, but they forget to have happiness in the pursuit. And it's important that while, as we are all in our respective fights,

that when we go back to our corner, we take a moment to be grateful for the fact that we have legs to stand on and fists to fight with. And we have the freedom to fight still, bro, because we're losing that quick. Yeah, that's a great point. And that's the main driving reason why we have, like, it's imperative at this point that we cannot afford, no community in this nation can afford to be at odds with each other.

And we have to start forging conversations to create actual change because the same systems that are fucking oppressing the African- American community or the indigenous people or whoever want everyone fucked if there's a pyramid in this country what's happening right now is they're trying to and drop everyone into the bottom level so it won't matter anymore and that's what it means to be in a communist

country and be dependent on the state and you know I mean I could go off forever and ever you're right you're and conti and you know i mean i could go off no no no forever and ever but you're right you're right bro i am i just you know we have been in this situation before right a lot of people might say like why is he so hyper focused on just like you know there's a lot of people listening like like yeah hyper focused and it's exactly right so it's like i just don't want us to get lost in that collective force sauce we talk about the democratic party and we talk about biden and these folks when it was this

haitian style the asian asian hate thing 50 million boom no problem right when we had the um when they botched the extraction over in what country was that afghanistan right oh let's give aid to them let's give let's give money to them fucking insane right yeah but i'm still sitting here like i i get it well that's the problem that's uh that's the issue with like so when when trump said america first white americans heard us black americans did not hear them being included in it and that's what a lot of people on the conservative aisle don't understand his slogan even make america great, I feel like stings the black community because they hear the again.

Why couldn't it just be make America great? I think Trump would have done better with make America great. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And obviously, yeah, bro. And you got to read through the media bullshit about that, dude.

I know you do. You know what I'm saying? I think I have a lot of reasons to I understand Dislike Donald Trump right But he could be a lot of things But stupid is one thing he's not Right you had the Democrats You had the Republicans You had everybody against him

And he figured out how to win the presidency You know what I mean Without stealing it Just saying Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Listen, let me tell you something.

No matter how... He's running against Hillary. Yeah. Let me tell you how smart... Let me tell you how... They're queuing up for a rematch, bro. Let me tell you how fucking smart these motherfuckers are. They still want her to run again. They think that is the best they got.

That is the best they got. That's the best they got. That is not the best we have in America, bro. That's another conversation. It takes 600 acres to create a city in America. Yeah. We just need to pull some money in. But this is the thing. One of the fucking real issue, like that's the big issue is that nobody really wants to talk about is that why

are these the people that we have to choose from that's it yeah because they're part of the fucking club and we ain't and we got to take the club back that's it yeah same club with donald trump and all these other motherfuckers are members like like like you know bush you talk about mar-a-lago bush too nah bush too. Bush 2 was the worst thing ever, right? Everybody hated Bush 2. Oh, yeah. And Obama came in and was like, oh, Bush 2 is the worst thing in America. And now Bush 2 and Michelle Obama are best buddies.

Every time they're in public. That's because that's establishment politics. They were already, their families were already cool anyway. It was all theatrics. Yeah. And like, dude, here's the great thing about the internet. As much as I, because I hate technology, bro. I fucking hate it.

I come from the school of doing business, the brick and mortar way, shaking hands, talking to people. I hate technology. Fucking hate it. They use that against us. But the great thing about it is it's allowed us to see the fucking truth amen amen and now these motherfuckers don't know what to do because there's a massive amount of people that are seeing what we're talking about a massive and new blood's coming

dude new blood and i don't mean that as threat i mean that new leadership is coming the younger generation leadership we're coming motherfuckers that's it we're coming that's it so knock you in your head and kick you out of that throne whatever the hell it has to be whatever the fuck it takes that's how it has to be so dude we usually do this thing final thoughts but i think we've been doing three hours we're good all right push 315 yeah well we got yeah so bro tommy appreciate you coming out on the show man contributed a lot sorry that we talked over you a little bit it's uh it's okay i love you bro i love you too yeah listen uh we're just getting passionate no but uh listen i listen bro i'm grateful to be among greatness well it's that's mutual. And I mean that. I mean that.

I appreciate it. That's mutual for everybody in the room. Except DJ. I'm actually really happy, Ark, because Andy and I talk about it. There's a lot. There's just a lot you just won't. These conversations don't happen. This conversation we just had hadn't fucking happened in two years ever and and i've actually personally just just

being sitting there next to you hearing what you like i've i've taken a lot away from that yeah a lot and and i appreciate you i applaud you yeah for coming down here man and doing this because i think it's necessary and i think a lot of our listeners are going to appreciate that. I agree 100%, bro. 100% respect, dude, for making that trip. Not only is it inconvenient, I know you're a busy man. You have a lot going on. But to sit down with people

that don't look the same and maybe not say the same shit all the time and come to some sort of a base where we can work from. We didn't fucking tour up the room yet. No, no. Listen, bro, It's all lies. Yeah.

We don't fuck. I don't have hate in my heart, and neither does he. I can tell. Right. He's angry. And the communities that you represent, that you're speaking of,

have a right to be fucking angry. Right on. And I think most people understand that. Yeah. So I appreciate you coming down, dude, sharing some fire, sharing some love, and speaking some truth to what's going on.

This these are the kind of things that are going to fix what's happening. We need more of this. Yeah. I just want to say, you know. It's a blessing coming down here, you know, kicking it with y'all hanging out. I think the conversations like this will bring truths to the forefront. Yeah. No matter what we're doing, we should seek truth.

And no matter how we feel, we should look at the core of the other person's pain. You understand? Yeah. Like, instead of discounting what somebody believes just because you might not believe it like look to the core of their pain like look for solutions look for solutions not for strife and um you know just do the fucking right thing do the fucking right thing that's it like that really is it the wrong thing is cool now right like like like being a horrible person or a jerk or whatever it's like the cool like let's let's just do the right thing

and i think i think we'll be good but i appreciate this opportunity to come on here and talk and um won't be the last time right on no it'll be it was good we got tattoo Boy over here. We got DJ over here. You know what I'm saying? No, no. I think you meant to say multi-platinum internationally successful. No, man. But see, this is it, right? You know what I love about this? Is that we've been able to do this

and still have the laughs. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? People have forgotten how to fucking have conversations. It might be a little bit uncomfortable and still love each other enough to laugh about it. You know what I'm saying? People have forgotten how to fucking have conversations. It might be a little bit uncomfortable and still love each other enough to laugh about it.

You know what I'm saying? I appreciate you, bro. That's the healing, bro. Healing is in the laughter too. Yeah, yeah. So thanks for making the trip, bro. Appreciate you. All right.

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