REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 28. The Last Dance: Developing Winning Tendencies Part 1

Episode Date: May 3, 2020

From Michael Jordan to Dr. Dre, Andy and the guys discuss segments from "The Last Dance" documentary, what it means to have the mentality of a winner, and the regression of hip hop music. Andy also dives deep into why it’s important to nurture a battle mindset and prove all those naysayers wrong.

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Got more cars than diddy. I only weigh 180, but my watch cost 250. What's up, guys? It's Andy Frisella, and this is the show for the realest. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of modern society, and welcome to motherfucking reality. Today, we have a very special episode well they're all special let's let's be honest they're all very special very very special very

very special show very special show we have the one and only dj dj what is up what's up dude guess what i was up doing at 4.30 in the morning? Masturbating. No, that was yesterday. Just kidding. No, you're not. No, I was... No, dude, everybody does it. The morning thing is a good thing when you get a little older

because that's when your shit works the best way. Right, right. Let's just be real. Well, at my age and with my kids i'm usually in bed by nine yeah some of you young bucks you don't know about this yet no idea yeah you gotta roll with the tide man you gotta roll with the tide no man what's happening dude i'm i was up at 4 30 see you man it's good to see you and it's uh i was up at 4 30 doing my first my first workout today you did uh-huh damn dude yeah you're back in the gym uh dude i uh he's committed i miss you

guys's influence seriously i'm i'm i'm embarrassed i'm mortified uh but i started 75 hard because i knew i need i just need to get back you're gonna get it done this time though yeah i i am i'm gonna i'm gonna get it done but i was just like you know you've talked you've talked about this before sometimes when it's too easy to keep off weight that's a liability so like i don't really gain weight easy but the problem is is that sometimes i'm not as motivated yeah but like i started thinking man i'm not i don't feel good i'm back to like brain fog and i you know i was looking pretty pretty good at one point jack so uh the good news is news is I think by the end of 75 hard,

I'm going to be back where I was. Oh, I guarantee it. So I'm excited about it. See, I bet by the middle you'll be there. Yeah. But the problem is, you know, dude, you got to finish. Yeah. Dude, I'm going to finish.

I just told Mark out back, my buddy Mark, who works here, this is his second round of 75 hard. Yeah. All right? His first round, he's going to get so pissed I'm saying this, but I don't care. The first round, see, Mark's a mentally tough motherfucker. A lot of people don't realize Mark did some time in prison, and he spent an entire year in solitary. Entire year.

Okay? Wow. Actually, I think it was more than a year. I think it was 14 months months if I remember it right. But, you know, he came out, you get his shit together. He's one of our he's a fucking stud here. Okay. Now, Mark did seven.

Now, Mark's a mentally tough dude and a smart dude. I'm gonna have him on the podcast eventually. But the first time he went through 75 hard, he got like, I don't know, halfway through. And he's like, like dude i fucking get this like i get this this is nothing i'm like i get it and then he quit right and so so he's like dude i get it no offense man but like you know i did this and this so today so he started 75 hard back again nice and today he asked me outside i'm wearing my we ain't the same shirt he's like where do i get one of them shirts and i said well i get you one i started to walk back there i turned around i said no i'm uh you got to finish first right and he's like i feel like i

already paid i said the debt you paid in the past and pay this debt motherfucker and dude he just smiled he's like yeah you're right that's awesome but's awesome. But dude, he's a stud, man. He's a stud. He's a good kid. Dude. Good kid and a fucking hard worker and a smart guy. Yeah. He's going to be something. So I'm excited, but I'm definitely going to stop.

I mean, I'm sorry. No, I'm definitely going to finish is what I meant. Yeah, you better, dude. You got 11 days in last time. I am. You bitched out. I know. 11 days.

That ain't nothing. Well, you know, when you're, when you when you're you know i've obviously been looking at a lot of stuff that you've been writing about 75 hard and when you're when you're being exposed to that like day in and day out after a while you're like you know i probably shouldn't just read this i should actually do dude you know what it is man like the 75 hard program the whole show ain't gonna be about this but like people don't get it they think it's a fucking fitness plan like dude i just got i just saw some lady who's a who's been a trainer for three fucking years talking about how it's not optimal for your fucking health because you need motherfucker

let me tell you something 99.9 of people ain't ever worked hard enough to get results in their entire fucking lives and then they're trying to have a fucking rest day into this day into that day and a cheat day and an off day and dude everybody's living to have those days that doesn't change the mentality of someone in their heart that doesn't change their ability to control their environment when you're When you're only going six days or five days or three days without a fucking break, that ain't fucking hard. That doesn't test you. That doesn't build anything.

And you know what? It might be more, and there's science that shows it, overtraining is a problem. But this ain't fucking training. This is training your motherfucking brain so that you could turn on and turn off discipline at any time you decide you want to. And that's what people miss about the program. If everybody could literally finish what they start at any given time, what would your life look like differently?

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Everybody has the goals to be something big. Everybody has the dreams to be something big everybody has the dreams to do something great but the problem is people forget about those dreams 11 days in Vaughn yeah you see what I'm saying yeah so you have to let have this time of of of deprivation to build that ability to to grit it out you know what I mean and that's what people don't look at they don't look at like you know okay we can go to the gym and lift, or we can read a book on meditation,

or we could do this and this and this. And dude, I'm all about it. Get your mind right. But the point is results come from real world action. They don't come from fucking meditating or humming or this or that or fucking whatever. It comes from doing shit or affirmations. Right? Exactly. So I'm not, you know, if you're not willing to accept that you're gonna have a hard time in life it's just the way it is so well dude i know you're not a huge nba fan but i know you are a fan of overachievers and excellence and all that good stuff and um i i wanted to spend i just selfishly i wanted to spend a little bit of time talking to you and Sal and all the guys about The Last Dance, this documentary about Michael Jordan. I haven't seen it yet.

Yeah. No, that's all right. You definitely need to invest the time because you will be saying, like, amen on every 30 seconds, you know, because there's some really cool stuff. Have you seen it, Sal? I have not seen it, but, I mean, Michael Jordan and Bo Jackson are my two favorite athletes. So I'm chomping at the bit, but as you know, as a father of three, you're a father of four, the time at home right now is a little bit fucking out of fucking whack. Well, and in the interest of full disclosure, I've only seen the first three.

I haven't finished all of them yet, although I'm not even sure that they've released all of them yet. But there's just a lot of things that I thought it would be worth unpacking for our audience. I also want to bring in the Tiger King, too, and not for a lot of the obvious reasons. That's DJ's favorite show. Well, no, dude, I want to talk about that because

there's some kind of crazy similarities and dovetails in the story of the Chicago Bulls and the story of the uh of tiger king um and i will keep you in suspense but the thing i wanted to know was that the bulls fed some people to the fucking tigers they were all they're all having sex with each other yeah same chicks i bet michael jordan feed a motherfucker to lions to win he did that i bet he would do that i i would yeah no doubt about that yeah

well so i said michael george probably the hillary clinton of fucking basketball yeah i saw it this morning i mean these i haven't seen a documentary but you're starting to see like some of the things come up i mean i know that the isaiah thomas where he didn't shake his hand right um i know that was a huge thing and it was it was something that our college coach you know we talked about anyway that's why it's even even today i went and shook our architect's hand i look at me i squeeze his hand hard that's what it's the right thing to do on on from my behalf that's what i thought but i isaiah thomas they said that i guess there's something in a documentary that he didn't make the dream team because he didn't get the blessing of michael based off of that interaction if that's the case he's pissed off

because he didn't make you know what though that's bad culture i agree i wouldn't want the motherfucker on my team either me either so right so like i i so it makes me intrigued to watch the documentary because there's a lot of listen the only thing i know is sports like i lived in a locker room i know it i know how it and i i understand the difference that's not true you know how to drink you're pretty good drinker oh yeah i could dude you're pretty good eater too you're not as good of an eater as me. Eating's never really my problem. Drinking's definitely my problem.

When people talk about working out, I probably haven't missed a fucking day of working out in nine months. You're good at docking? I almost work out. He's good at docking. Not as good as you. Not as good as you, though. I'm not a professional like yourself. Actually, something I've never even ventured into the water is DJ,

and you're not going to get me into the water. I don't believe that. No, but when you start talking about overtraining. even ventured into the water is DJ. And you're not going to get me into the water. I don't believe that. No, but, you know, when you start talking about overtraining. That's how I DJ don't like the water, you know. Yeah, yeah. Plastic on that furniture. That's why I don't take baths, dude. Take showers.

You're not getting me. Okay, so you're talking about Isaiah Thomas. I wasn't going to start here, but this is a good place to start if we're going to have a conversation about excellence and what it takes to win. So one of the, one of the things that Isaiah in his defense said is he said, you know, everybody thought I was an asshole, but he said, you know, the game is different today. He said back when the, back when Detroit was winning the titles, he's like, you, if you were on the other team you were the enemy like we wanted to stomp

on your throats he says nowadays guys are they're they're playing each other in in the game and then afterwards they're going out and tweeting together and having having a ball and like a tweet and they're going to play nba 2k on fucking playstation right so it's a dude these guys it's different now people play for themselves now they don't play for a fucking team anymore. Right. That's with all sports. That's with all business, too. That's why the culture of just fucking stepping on people's throats has lost favor. Right.

Because even in sports, you don't see it. You see it more at the college level, right? But still at the college level, it's still, you know, like these dudes have all connected their friends through, you know, and dude, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Like it's a bad thing to be cordial with people that you compete against. Yeah. But fuck, man. Like if I'm competing against you, I'm trying to fucking cut your fucking head off. Right.

Right. And that that has been lost. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that it's been lost loss. I just think sports, they train you to be an individual now your brand well they train you for the contract yeah they train you to be your own brand and that's the i mean that's the difference of it i mean you think and i'm not a basketball guy so this madat maybe you can help me out here but you're probably too young but that pistons team was also like the jailhouse team that had robman on it they were they were

the bad boys yeah the bad boys and they banged and it was like it was a hard physical like that's what they played and you know and and i saw it i'm not transitioning into but you know patrick ewing i think said again i was watching the sports center when i was walking this morning and the he said there's there's 10 people that have the athleticism of michael jordan today in today's sport and if you took those 10 people and put them back into the late 80s 90s with jordan in that prime is jordan the best of all time you know and i really because you look at lebron like and tim tim grover's gonna hear this and fucking cut my throat off or uh cut my head off but i mean dude lebron's significantly bigger than fucking jordan and he you know but they played a much harder basketball game back in the 90s. That was actually.

LeBron's a big motherfucker. So that's actually. Yeah, but Jordan was 6'6", wasn't he? Yeah, but LeBron's like 290 or 275. He's a big dude. What was Jordan? He's like 225 or 230. Right.

But see, I don't think the common wisdom is everybody. I think nobody denies that LeBron's a superior physical specimen to Jordan. Nobody denies that. The question is. That's not what fucking wins, though. Right. Exactly. nobody denies that LeBron's a superior physical specimen to Jordan nobody denies that the question is that's not what fucking wins though right that's what that exactly the question is who has the greater will to win and I to me it's not even a question I don't think it's a question either and that's to Andrew's point I don't think it's a question in any fucking sport ever I think he's the greatest competitor that we know of in sports of all time yeah period any sport any of the

fucking four major sports i see him as the greatest competitor right and and i think the results speak of it yeah and but the one thing i did even though i haven't seen the documentary yet the one thing i did see was that uh jordan was afraid i think believe you sent me that information. That Jordan was afraid that he's going to be like canceled by the fucking, you know, the internet do-gooder fucking army

that says it's not appropriate to have that attitude anymore. Well, motherfucker. Dude. They were going to accuse him. He said he was, he said, when people watch this, they're going to think i'm a horrible horrible dude like a guy like you're

a verbally abusive guy you fucking no motherfucker he wants to fucking win right and like dude dude we have this we have this society now that is culturally like people look at people who think like that as if there's something wrong with them there's nothing wrong with them they are just focused on one thing and that's winning and that doesn't make you any more morally better than fucking down right like dude people try to they try to unload this moral baggage because they feel morally superior whenever you show that you're a fucking competitive motherfucker. That's not, to me, we should be the ones attacking them for even trying to shame us for that.

That's my opinion. Well, I mean, I think I'm going to take your fucking lunch and eat it too. I don't give a fuck. Exactly. I'm wired that way. You fucking shame me for it, I don't give a fuck. Like, I don't. Exactly. I'm wired that way. So, like, I don't. You fucking shame me for it. I don't give a shit.

I don't care. Yeah, I'm a fucking winner. I'm still going to win. I mean, I've caught shit from so many people because I'm so competitive. Yeah. But the truth of the matter is, is, like, we were raised that way. I mean, we got, when we were kids, like, we were rewarded to score goals, just like a contract.

Yeah. We were also rewarded to score goals just like a contract yeah we were also rewarded to maybe run kids over dude if we fucking smash someone in a fucking game like a football game or a fucking little league football or soccer or whatever fuck dude we got a toy like my dad took us to fucking kb toys and let us pick out like a gi joe dude or something i forgot about kb toys yeah it wasn't like pet stores it wasn't like he like bought us all kinds of toys but like he figured out a little reward system like it was like oh dude you get like a five dollar gi joe dude or some shit yeah you play hard today yeah but i like what you said one time dude because people get all their panties in a

lot about that is that it wasn't about hurting them it was an indication that you were being aggressive yeah you were being rewarded for being aggressive. Dude, and you know what's funny? It's like in all situations of life, in all of them, when you run up against someone who's that aggressive and that competitive, because, dude, we run into people like that sometimes. Dude, you end up respecting those people.

Absolutely. And you're like, fuck, dude, I'm glad I met that dude. Like, dude, you know what, Sal? That guy was a pain in our ass, but I fucking respect that motherfucker. Yeah, I was related to wrestling. I always knew when I was on the mat with somebody, like I knew when that motherfucker had a little extra in his head. You know what I'm saying?

Like, God damn it. You know what I'm saying? You're thinking, you know. No, what it is was you knew when you actually had to wrestle. Yeah, you were like, motherfucker. You know, I always used my head. Like, I'd put my head against his, and I was just trying to – I was seeing how hard'd be i always use my head like i'd put my head against his and i was just trying to i was seeing how hard i would push on his fucking head

before he'd fucking break yeah and every time you start pushing and your head starts hurting you're like god damn it yeah but yeah but those motherfuckers will quit from that no no i'm with you yeah no i'm with you from that but i mean that's life let you pin them because you're fucking making their head uncomfortable yeah but that's like you know life when you start talking about being aggressive and i think that's the the nature before the people get their panties in a bunch like being aggressive you know when you sit when you when you sit you get beat when you pause you get beat because other people are taking action and that that being in the corner and getting my dad used to always call soccer ball the puck getting in and getting after the puck

and go get it like that's life you know what i mean like here's an opportunity you got to go you want a real-world example? Let's look at the government just taking everybody's fucking rights right now. I guarantee if everybody was raised to be competitive, they wouldn't be able to fucking do that. Right. That's the truth. And you guys are out there thinking like,

oh, well, dude, you're just a fucking crazy fucking conspiracy. Really? Am I? Because I've been saying this for fucking six weeks and what's happening. I read on the news five minutes ago that today in Texas, they got armed fucking citizens protecting businesses that decided to open in spite of the close. That is beautiful. I love it. I fucking love it.

You know what, dude? They should be open. They should have never got fucking shut down in the first place. And if we can even justify the shutdown, it should have been until exactly the moment we knew that it wasn't going to be millions of people. And it should have changed right then and went back to normal. And everybody else would, you know, you do what you think you can do. If you don't want to go in that business or that restaurant because you don't feel safe, then guess what?

Stay the fuck home. Stay home. Yeah. If you're scared of getting the shit guess what stay home if i'm monday morning we're stupid because we're gonna go out and catch the shit and die don't worry about us we're worried about us motherfucker yeah if i was gonna monday morning quarterback the whole situation it would be that it would be hey man you know what don't swim in the ocean if you don't if you fucking think that you know what? Don't swim in the ocean if you don't, if you fucking think. You're going to create a fucking bunch of laws to fucking put. Everybody's going to be walking around a motherfucking bubble wrap.

If you want to open up your business and people want to patron it, open the motherfucker up. If you want to go into a restaurant. I talked to my boy last night. I don't think you know him yet. Aaron Nash, my boy from Florida. Yeah, I talked to him on Utah. No, he's from Florida, but, I talked to him on Utah. Nash is cool as fuck. No, he's from Florida. But he owns some gyms, all right?

And my boy is trying to fucking open because he's been closed for six fucking weeks. And he's been doing all this crazy shit to help his community, to be just the same stuff we're doing, dude. Like trying to help the local business. He's doing all these things. He tries to open. The fucking police come and tell, hey, dude, we will shut you down if you fucking open. And if we shut you down for five days in a row, then you're going to go to jail. Then you're going to get turned into the business development office, whatever they call it down there. And they're going to fucking take your business license away. But I mean, isn't the freedom piece of America supposed to be like, hey, hey i open my doors but what i'm saying is that's fucking bullshit it is oh

yeah and dude the fact that we have law enforcement officials enforcing laws that are not constitutionally fucking in line is a is fucked up and they're not laws by the way what they're not laws they're suggestions these are all mere suggestions. You know, like I'm sitting here thinking, well, I mean, if you wanted to go to the gym and you're risking going to the gym and you want to go to the gym, then go to the motherfucking gym. This California motherfucker just had, dude, his fucking sheriff, the Orange County sheriff said, hey, dude.

I'm not doing it. No dice, bro. Gavin. Yo, Gavin, we're going to surf. Do you want to join us? You stupid fuck. Okay? Gavin.

Gavin and Karen. Yeah. No shit. Is that the male Karen? I'm sure Gavin has a real fucking realistic view of what it's like to be a normal fucking human. I know nothing about him. I'm sure he fucking comes from the fucking heart of the streets and the voice of the people.

Right? Right. Doesn't he come from that? Oh, yeah. Like, dude, I'm just guessing. I mean, dude, this motherfucker's shutting down the fucking beaches and the cop said, no, you're not. I love that.

That's fucking America. It is. Well, I like your application of aggressiveness to this situation because you're right, but I think that people in general think of aggressiveness as a negative thing. That's because it's been painted like that.

To Jordan's point. Yeah, one of the coolest parts of the documentary is where they talk about how there was this rookie or some first or second year player who Jordan just thought was not rising to the standards. And I think it was Scotty Burrell. Do you remember, Madat?

He was the 13th pick, I think, in the draft. Yeah, he was like the 13th pick in the draft. Very talented guy. And Jordan just lit into him and just was riding him hard and everything. And people saw the footage and thought, like, man, Jordan's a jerk. And he's like, no, man.

I'm not. Basically, I'm getting in his face because I believe in him. I believe that he. That's why I do. That's why I sent you that. Yeah. Because that's exactly why I know. Dude, if you guys can't see, but I'm like rolling my eyes, shaking my head.

Like, what the fuck? Right. Like, thank you. Thank you for someone getting, understanding it. Like, he was fiery because he actually cared, you know? Dude, it's hard for me to understand how people don't receive that. You get what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like this kind of brings up another subject people are so quick to vilify and attack people that are like addressing them this way right like dude andy fucking yelled at me whatever he's involved with i'm fucking done with motherfucker that's what i do i don't even do how many conversations do i have where my voice doesn't sound like this right not not too many no that's true how you doing andy i'm really good dude like i'm a fucking passionate motherfucker and i don't speak about shit i don't care about dj how many times we've been sitting in the office in there you guys are all talking and you look at me and you're like bro you okay i asked you about at least five times yeah because i don't speak unless i care enough to speak about it i always tell i tell my guys and girls i mean that you know listen if i'm

riding your ass no dude i care that's a good sign yeah it is the moment i stop if you're in the silent zone dude people you probably need to sharpen your fucking resume no that's the truth bro like if you see me not look at you like if i walk through the office i don't You probably need to sharpen your fucking resume Exactly No, that's the truth, bro Like, if you see me not look at you Like, if I walk through the office I don't fucking look at you There's a reason Yeah, there is a fucking reason There's a good reason

And don't second guess it either Right, yeah Like, hey, there's a fucking reason I didn't fucking look at you Oh, here's another thing Let me racially stereotype you guys You're Italian What does that mean?

Yeah, what are you trying to say? I'm saying you are What are you trying to say,'m saying you are you trying to say italians are historically demonstrative people and andrew and i are technically aren't you italian i'm from the waist up yeah okay andrew and i technically are two percent african no we're four percent african-american two percent asian it's all four percent penis though the good four percent no it's like 12 percent bro. No, but it's 12%. Yeah, that's right. It's 12%. We were 12% African.

And now fucking Bill Gates is over there programming our fucking DNA into that fucking vaccine so that we will talk like everybody else. That's funny. That's what's happening, dude. No, in all seriousness, though, you know, Italians, historically, I mean, you're talking about the people

who are connected to Rome and the building of the Roman Empire. You guys historically are intense. It's like every family has its characteristics, and races are just nothing but big families. I would be... Dude, we're going to start our own fucking race. Isn't that right, Madat?

The first... What, the driplets? The driplets. The driplets. Dude. Oh, my gosh. We're going to start our own race of superior people called the driplets that's fine we don't care about anything of your skin color technically we're here because there were no driplets

that's the truth i have to say every time every time madat uh text me i have to bond you get that joke? Every time Madat texts me, I have to. Vaughn, you got that joke, didn't you? No, not really. I assume it had something to do with condoms. Oh, God, I miss you. Vaughn, you know how babies are made, right? What? You know how babies are made?

For someone with four fucking kids, he should know all about no driplets. That's funny. There's no spillage. Oh, okay. That's why we're all here that's funny well uh no i every time a dot texts me about something i have to i have to go to urban dictionary because it's like dude like i texted him i texted him a picture and he look at you you're fucking racist dude you're talking shit about us being italian now you're picking on him for being bosnian what's next me you know what black no Now you're picking on him for being Bosnian. What's next? Me because I'm black?

No, but you're only half black. Can't say that. You're half black. You're not allowed to even call yourself black. Yeah. Isn't that what your fiance said? I got a pretty good nickname for a guy. Y'all can only halfway contribute to this conversation.

So DJ got his black card fucking revoked by his own fiance. My own fiance. Dude, that's brutal. Listen, I was telling her about, I'm like, you know, babe, I can't wait for you to meet Andy. He's like super hood. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he's on it. You know what I'm saying?

I'm like, if there was anybody, if there was a real black card, he'd definitely have it. And she looks at me, she goes, I'd have to meet him because I don't think you're fully capable of making that decision. I said, oh. Oh, all right. Touche. Touche. all right touche I'm so urban that I thought Notorious B.I.G. and Biggie Smalls were two different people

no fucking way no I did I was like I'm looking up we knew how urban you were when you said I'm looking up. We knew how urban you were when you said, I'm so urban. I tried Biggie Smalls into iTunes and Notorious B.I.G. came up and I'm like, what? This is not who I'm looking for. This is not who I'm looking for.

These guys look alike though. They look alike. They sound alike. They're twin brothers. But wait, but you can drop the lyrics from boys in the hood i can and like no big deal and you didn't know that biggie smalls well that was you know boys in the i mean nwa that's way before biggie right yeah i mean still if you know the lyrics nwa you should know who the fuck biggie smalls is that's probably true but dude you got listen you just went by the

way you know what my i've decided what very urban. That's true. Urban-centric. Probably my favorite rap song of all time. I recently decided this. It's the one with Dr. Dre and Snoop, the next episode. I love that. I love that. It's so good. That's what Murph rapped.

I'm going to memorize that, and I want you guys to invite me to perform that at Summer Smash. Bro, we had a guy who works here works here murph he's good dude fucking everybody on their first day has to sing karaoke yeah see and he karaoke he karaoke that song it was good too really different song no it's the next episode the uh oh yeah you're right yeah the murph the death rose greatest hit the two disc was the fucking album man you talking about the one With the weed leaf on the front No no that's the chronic The two disc greatest hits Was the fucking best

Oh I haven't had that I haven't heard that one Oh dude it was It was fucking I have a question I don't I don't need the greatest hits Cause I know the real albums

Okay Greatest hits for white people Yeah If you didn't know The two CD special It's probably the most famous Fucking The most famous rap

Fucking CD ever produced Was the chronic by Dre Yeah And you don't know the Weed album, it's probably the most famous fucking, the most famous rap fucking CD ever produced was Chronic by Dre. Yeah. And you don't know it? No, I knew it before you knew it. I said the one with the weed leaf. Here's my question. Here's my question.

I know rap has evolved a lot in the last 30 years. No, I think it's regressed, not evolved. You think so? No, yeah, no. Here's my question, Andy. I actually agree with that. You got to be honest. But dude, we sound fucking old as fuck saying that.

I know. But, like, dude, that's like our dad saying, what the fuck you guys listen to these days? Because, like, all the young kids, dude, they think right. Now, I will say, Young Dolph and Key Glock are starting to get it right. Yeah. Because they're starting to rap again. But the fucking shit that they call rap right now,

it ain't fucking rap. It's bullshit. So here's my question. By today's standards, or by any standards, is LL Cool J still cool? Yeah, dude, because he's like cool. Is he classic? He's Cool J.

He's Cool J? Classic. I mean, like, is he? Ladies love Cool James. Not only that. Have you seen the deep blue sea? I'm the type of guy. Bro, you know how many?

Yeah. First of all, LL, dude, he's talented. I've been working out. He's fucking jacked up. Is he something like a phenomenon? He's good looking. He can act. I mean, the motherfucker's good.

That guy's 100 years old. He looks like he's fucking 35. Don't crack, man. That's what they say about me. You know what I like about him? He's the only black guy in a horror movie that did not die. That's like Ducey, bro. That's true.

That's my idol. That makes LL the black Chuck Norris. Yeah. I mean- Because, dude, every black person in fucking horror movie dies. Everybody. Bro, I follow him. He follows me back, dude.

Oh, that's awesome. LL Cool J? Yeah. That's dope. Why isn't he on the show? I don't know. I'll ask him. He'd be on the show.

Yeah, we talked a couple times on DMs. Dude, I mean, look, it's fucking LL Cool J. Right. Right. Like, you don't bring. LL Cool J is like the black Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. You do not, you do not bring Matthew McConaughey around your chick. Yeah. And you don't bring LL Cool J around your chick. Yeah. Cause he'll start singing, doing it, doing it.

You start doing it, man. And then what'll happen is the, he'll start fucking, he'll put doing it on. And then, you know, you're going to have to, like, retreat. Your wife will start. It's unstoppable. Yeah, your wife will start going, I'm going to call you big daddy and scream your name. And then, bro, you don't exist anymore. You know what's really funny about this?

Then you're sitting on the couch in the fucking living room crying in your fucking hands. You're using Vaughn's log into Pornhub. Hey, Vaughn, man, what's your password? You know what I think is so funny about this is that you guys all grew up, I mean, yes, I did have the NWA and the Eazy-E and that kind of thing, but what's really funny is you guys know all these crazy rap songs. I actually literally know rap songs about abstinence. Urban.

You are urban, bro. Bro, what are you throwing a cricket there? It's true. What the fuck? I know there's a group. There's a Christian rap song. Everybody's face right there. Nobody had nothing. That was a mic drop.

I literally thought. Did he just say that? Yeah. Did it just come out? It did. No, no, no. There's a Christian rap group named DC Talk, and they had a song called I Don't Want It. I've heard of DC Talk.

Yeah, yeah. And they actually have a lot of people like their stuff, but they had a song called I Don't Want It, which was about sex. It ain't rap. I don't want it. Oh, yeah. You want me to spit some bars? No.

I can spit some bars. I can make a song called I Don't Want It. It ain't right. I don't want it. Oh, yeah. You want me to spit some bars? No. I can spit some bars. I can make a song called I Don't Want It about a few chicks, too. That might not be about abstinence, bro. That might have been about like... Yours would be like

I Don't Want It Again. That's what the fucking song's about. I guarantee it. Oh, my gosh. Well, someday I'll have to spit some bars on DC Talk's abstinence. But, okay, so bringing it back to- What's the lyrics, bro? I got to hear it.

Let's do a lyric breakdown. Those are the guys. S-E-X is a test when I'm pressed, so back up, girl, with less of that zest. And press this brother with a life of virtue. The innocent that's spent is going to hurt you. What? How is backing up and hurting her abstinence, bro? Safe is the way they say to play.

Then again, safe ain't safe at all today. It ain't? The one guy looks like he didn't play. Hey, it's just the lyrics. He's trying to get that box cut. Trying to bring it back. Oh, yeah. Oh, nice.

Oh, dude. Those are the three dudes? Now, the guy on the far left, he has been trying to... There's been major... So it's two white dudes and a black dude. Two white dudes. They're friends from... They grew up in like

some really urban area actually no they're from Manhattan Kansas like downtown though no but the guy

the downtown area Kevin Smith the guy that actually has a good voice a lot of a lot of like big acts wanted him to be

the lead singer but yeah but yeah so crazy stuff but anyway bringing it back to uh michael jordan and i because i want to fuckers like a reverse ario and this discussion on uh discussion on excellence fucking white dude on the left white dude on the right black dude in the middle and they're

singing about no sex man ain't right that ain't right come on um so one of the other things that's really interesting about about this documentary is talking about like the dynamics between the front office and michael jordan stop putting it on the screen this is what our podcast cover used to look like you just put it up on the fucking screen. What? What did you put up? Oh. Anyway. Oh, my goodness. Oh, gosh.

Jordan in the front office. Let's go, Bond. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

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