REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 29. The Last Dance: Developing Winning Tendencies Part 2

Episode Date: May 3, 2020

Did Carole Baskin really feed her husband to the tigers? In today's episode, Andy and the guys tackle the meaning of playing with a chip on your shoulder, why believing in yourself is the first step for inner peace, and The Tiger King!

So one of the things that I thought was really interesting is that Michael Jordan got hurt early on in his career. And he basically, you know, was rehabbing, and he was saying, like, I'm good. I can play. And the front office was like, no, no, it's too dangerous. And they said there's like a 10% chance. And it's like 10% chance?

So he really fought them. He fought them. He wanted any playing time he could get because he was such a competitor. Well, what it became clear is that they didn't want him to play because they didn't want him to win games because they didn't, they wanted to be able to get a good draft pick. And Jordan really had like no sympathy for that. He's like,

no, you play the game to win. I don't like the idea of tanking games so that we get a good draft pick, but it is good business. So what do you guys think about that? I would never do it. Not only would you never do it, I mean, out of the sales world, okay, so this is like.

Well, I'm going to tell you why I would never do it. Ever, ever, ever. It's not good business. It's terrible business for a lot of reasons. Here's why. One, the fans pay to see a product. Right. Here's why. One, the fans pay to see a product. Right. That's it.

And if you're not going to give them the product to the best of your ability, you don't deserve to have fucking fans. Yeah. That's what happened in St. Louis here with Kroenke. Kroenke fucking tanked the Rams, refused to get good players, refused to get good coaching, refused to fucking actually even try to win. And then he turned around and blamed it on St. Louis like we're a bunch of fucking jackals. No, we're not. We're actually the best sports fans in the fucking world. You're the worst motherfucking owner that ever existed.

100%. Okay? So I don't agree with that from a principal standpoint. It's not the right thing to do. I also, and this is why it's terrible business. It's not just bad business to do this. But what you're doing by doing that is you're inviting the culture of losing into your fucking winning organization and dude that

should never be acceptable and even if you do it on a even if you do it on a minimal scale like that that cancer is so infectious you know like how they're talking about you know covid being so contagious the fucking cancer of losing is a million times more contagious than fucking COVID. I promise you that. Sal, what do you think? No, I mean, dude, I couldn't agree more. You won't be able to fucking get it back.

And it's the mentality of winning to be the best. Once you start negotiating with that terrorist, like, dude, you're fucked, right? And then you let it into your walls, you're double fucked. And I think that's where Michael's mentality. And I always say this about sales. into your walls, you're double fucked. And, you know, I think that's where Michael's mentality. And I always say this about sales, you know, in sales, like people will hold the deal so they can jam it through next month because they're, they've already hit this month's quota. That's they're doing that. They're going to, they're going to end up broke. Yeah. It's loser mentality. And you know, again, it goes back to being aggressive. I'm always in the gas,

always in the fucking gas. And I'm always planning to win. I'm always planning to get the deal. I'm always trying to fucking move. And I'm hoping that my competition is sitting back waiting for it. Because I'm going to fucking keep going. And so when people say, oh, I'm going to hold the deal for next month, I automatically know what their mentality is. Dude, totally agree. It's like, oh, I hit this quota.

You should be smashing this fucking quota. And then go smash next month's quota too. People will tell you who the fuck they are by a little shit like what he's saying. They will fucking tell you. You know, like you're working out with someone and, you know, they skip out on that last three reps. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. Oh, yeah.

Fucking salespeople, you know. Like, dude, when I'm in doubt of anything, fucking anything, when I'm in doubt. Like, dude, you see me'm in doubt like dude you see me training your house and you see me you see me write my little sets up on the fucking whiteboard sometimes I forget to write them up there do you know do you know what I do I do another set because I didn't write on the motherfucking board because dude I'm not taking the chance that maybe I forgot like because you know what I'm saying like because it because what I'm thinking in my head is like, oh, did I get five or six sets?

Well, I only have five on the board, but I think I forgot one. Well, then that said, don't count. I got to do it again. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's, dude, you have to, dude, if you want to be a champion,

like if you want to be a fucking successful person, dude, I'm not a fucking champion. I'm just a semi-successful business guy but i'm working to be a motherfucking champion okay and to have that mentality you have to start implementing it in every area you know like that's why people laugh when they hear me talk about the piss on the toilet seat but like dude if you leave piss on the toilet seat i can tell everything i need to know about you. You know what I'm saying?

And I know, and Sal, you know this, I know I'm going to beat you at anything. Well, I mean, I try to do it in every single aspect of my life. Like, DJ, how's my grass look? Grass looks amazing. Amazing. Amazing. I stripe it in three directions. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? You know why? Because if I'm going to do it, I'm going to be the best at it. Yeah, because no one else fucking do yeah because no one else fucking do that no that's it you walk in my house like how do you do that tell me later you always mow the white stripe the white stripes the stripe that's the stripe you're going after but anyway that's neither that's that's fucking big league shit no but i mean like dude like you know like when you i don't care where you're going i don't care you you should be you should be dressed You should be dressed. You should be represented. You should fucking be playing for your reputation.

And I know when my name is spoken and anything competitive comes up, I guarantee to you they know that's one competitive motherfucker. Oh, bro. You know how many people fucking motherfuck both of us for being like that? Yeah, and I don't care. Dude, I hear it all the time. I get fucking people all the time. Even for cello

fuckers oh yeah you know what dude because we fucking care and we want to be the best and do we both understand from a fucking very young age because we were fortunate to have a great upbringing that do the shit matters you know i'm saying like it matters the details fucking matter and they matter the most when no one's going to catch you on them that's what people miss people think the details matter when you're going to get caught no man the details matter way more when no one's going to catch you integrity of it that's right no one's looking so another aspect of the front office issue that came into uh play with uh this this documentary is that this just boggles

my mind, but there was this controversy basically with Scottie Pippen because here you know he's the number two guy on the Bulls. He is easily top five if not top two best players in the league at the time. Better defensive player than anybody in the league. Early on, he signed a contract. It was, I think it was like a 10-year contract for what would today be considered peanut feed. I mean, it was very, but the reason he did that is that he was from a poor family. He really felt like he needed to support his mom and dad.

Well, at one point, there were like, he was the years later, you know, seven years later after he's helped build this dynasty, he wants to renegotiate. And Jerry Reinstorf is like, no, we're not renegotiating. I mean, we set that in stone. And he was literally the 121st highest paid athlete in the NBA.

And so the question for me is because the whole premise of this documentary is this is the last hurrah because after this, they know Scottie's leaving. They know Jordan's probably a couple of years from retirement. This is our last chance to get another W, a championship. You guys talk all the time about not being so nearsighted and just doing anything about money, everything about money, that you do the right thing and things take care of itself. Would the right thing have been for Jerry Reinsdorf to say,

all right, this is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. We're going to give him his money. We're going to renegotiate. In the short term, it's going to cost me more money, but we might be able to keep this team together for longer. What do you think? What I think? Yeah. I fucking would have paid him yeah and i probably would have paid him more than he fucking asked yeah and i probably would have a reputation in that club of paying people more than what they're worth so that they didn't fucking come and and bitch about

it yeah you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I firmly believe that you take care of people that take care of you. Right. That's it. So I probably would have paid him. I mean, I don't know how much a franchise makes when they actually win the championship, but I can't imagine that Michael didn't have

at least a couple years in him if he's asking to be the fucking you know it depends on what the fuck he wanted like i don't know what he wanted i don't i think he just wanted to be paid what he was worth well at that point i think that's fair yeah yeah well i mean i don't know where this transition but you saw you started to see in the late 90s where contracts became very numbers driven, very production driven. You know, you produce, you win, right? You don't produce, you don't win, you know, and that's where the guaranteed money started sliding around a little bit. And then, and so I would imagine,

and I don't know enough about this topic to, I would imagine that particular deal probably played a huge role in the transition of contracts for the NBA based off production. Because if you produce, you should get paid. I mean, our sales guys, right? They produce, they get paid. I agree with that. That's how I see it.

I see that you should get paid for what the value you bring. And if I'm the decision maker of that organization, I'm looking at his stats. I'm looking at how important he is to the team. I'm looking at how stats I'm looking at how important he is to the team I'm looking at how much revenue he drives What are his jersey sales What are his this, what are his that What's he doing in the community And then I'm looking at what has he done for us That was above

What he got paid for Then I'm making a decision Yeah and I think you know I mean Jerry Reinsdorf is known for being a fucking cheap ass Isn't he right so because he owned the white socks as well i think yes he did so yeah yeah you know i mean like you got to look to you know you think back like i mean how but that doesn't mean that the duke could come in and demand everything like some of these dudes demand i don't think scotty

was scotty's supposed to be i really don't i think he was like i just want to be paid i'm like i don't want to be the 121st or he shouldn't have highest paid he's a team if he was like, I just want to be paid. I'm like, I don't want to be the 121st highest paid athlete in the NBA. If he was the third best player or second best player, he should be paid accordingly. Yeah. And there's always going to be some slide rules in there. You know what I mean? But I do think Jerry Krause, who was the guy below him,

I think he did a really good job putting together that team. I think actually Michael Jordan's kind of hard on Jerry Krause. I've heard a lot of people say that Jerry did a good job. He just wasn't real good with people. but really at the end of the day it's very possible that the success of the Bulls was in spite of the front office that they didn't really create an amazing culture and the players were just so incredibly dominant because to your point Andy you always say you know success is not what you are it's what you could have been right well it's not it's not taking away from the Bulls they didn't that they didn't get more championships but it could be that if

the front half office helped them and were more of the culture that the players actually represented maybe they could have had three more you know well i i would say there's validity to that there's a lot of organizations not just in sports but in business that win because the players are fucking good yeah and they just good and uh yeah but sometimes there's a real there's a really nice piece of just fuck you pie meaning like fuck you i'm gonna prove you wrong well i get that yeah i mean like you know if they're if they're in there it's like hey fuck them we're gonna go do it anyway yeah but what i'm saying is you know there are businesses that win in the short term because their employees are talented yeah and there are teams that win in the short term because their employees are talented.

Yeah. And there are teams that win in the short term because their fucking players are talented. Right. The Bulls are a, that situation where they won six titles. Right. Is a bit of an anomaly because normally you would say well you'd have to have a great culture to produce that much of a dynasty but you really don't when you have only five guys six guys that do the majority of the they probably had their own little subculture that probably overran the

ability to produce a culture in the in the bulls organization i mean how the fuck do you get michael jordan to do your fucking culture right i mean right you get what i'm saying so like i i don't know i don't i if they had a lack of culture you can't necessarily blame it on the ownership because there's certain people that are just so fucking good that they that that everybody in your organization starts to follow fucking what they do what what do you do well i but there's there's another side of that coin too because you look at the the yankees of the 2000s the early 2000s they were trying to buy their way to the to the winds i get it and it doesn't work i get it you take all the talent that's a different scenario

well they they were buying all the talent my talent had no culture like they had no culture and they wouldn't win but yeah but what i'm saying is the bull. The talent had no culture. They had no culture. And they wouldn't win. But, yeah. But what I'm saying is the Bulls, they had their own culture. The players had their own culture. Yeah, of course. The fuck, that's my point. The fucking culture. The Yankees did not have that.

That's why they didn't win. They didn't have team leadership. You know, they say they did, right? Like the captain. Everybody talks about Jeter, blah, blah, blah. Well, clearly, they didn't because if they did, they would have they did they would have had fucking nine ten titles that's truth based on statistical fucking so you know no no

no knock on Jeter I'm fucking sure he's I mean dude he's fucking one of the best baseball players ever but we're talking about culture and that's a different thing right Jeter had his own culture though he had the Jeter package I've heard about the Jeter package. The Jeter package? Yes. You know the Jeter package? If you spent the night at Jeter's house and you were a female,

he sent you home with a Jeter package? No way. Signed a ball. I think he got a ball, a jersey, a couple tickets to a game and he'd have the driver meet him downstairs to take him home. And there's a funny story.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard that. Yeah. There's a funny story. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard that. There's a funny story, and I don't know if it was on bar stools or where I saw it, but the same girl got the package twice. He didn't know he was on the repeat. Oh, man. That's some fucking brutal shit.

Apparently he had a different apartment, and he would go do what he needed to get done. He would sneak out and leave them with a Jeter gift and then it would get him home hey man crazy that's some dirty dog shit we know when you're the shortstop of the bronx bombers you get a gift so this is an aspect of excellence that a lot of people are sort of gun shy to talk about but i know this is something you feel strongly about one of the other things that's very very clear in this in this uh documentary is uh michael is uh sort of legendary for keeping grudges so he just hated it that he got cut from his what was it high school or junior high he hated that he got cut from that uh there's this great scene where in the documentary where he

talks about you know what's funny what's that the motherfucker that cut him the best thing he ever fucking did uh or the hit that we we think he's remembered for now you know i'm saying was it fucking who was it uh who cut him it's a some high school way uh roy somebody or i think it isn't uh it's not roy williams no no no no this was a high school guy but but i'm saying like dude this guy's probably remembered his whole life for cutting Michael Jordan. Yeah, he is. But so there's two sides to look at it because on the one hand, I think Jordan has been kind of unfair to that guy. And there's been a lot of sports basically saying this guy made the right decision at the time.

Like Michael Jordan was not the player that he is now. So he made the right decision. But the flip side of that is that Jordan just didn't let go of that. It really drove him. And then there's this great scene in the documentary where it talks about Jordan was playing golf with a couple of the bosses Celtics. And of course this was at the time where, you know, Larry Bird was still the, they were still good. They were still very good. Space jam era. Yeah. And they, uh, they basically like he did, he had a bad day on the golf course.

And so they talked trash with him. The next day, and he was pissed, huge chip on his shoulder. The next day, he said, I'm going to have a little surprise for you guys tomorrow. He scored 69 points in the NBA. Now, they didn't win because the rest of the team wasn't very good, but he dropped 69 points. My question is with regard to excellence, and I'm going to ask you that, that i'm going to step out and go to the bathroom myself i know you guys were

wanting to know that but my question is um what's the role of negative energy and darkness and and and and chip on your shoulder in driving excellence you guys kind of know what i would say to that i mean i've talked about it a whole bunch you know i got a fucking list that grows every motherfucking day dude that's the truth um i don't know i feel like things are going pretty well for me so it must work out okay i don't i mean i don't know what you think no i mean i i agree but i feel like there's also a balance you got to have too because yeah being too hard on yourself yeah well i think this is where i mean andrew and i are black and white in a lot of things like i i actually think i don't say i think exactly the opposite um because i don't forget those things but they are not my fuel i just always remember like when i want to quit

that's something on my fuel no no i'm not saying all but it's it's not my fuel is i want to be the best version of me yeah you know i'm saying and i don't give a fuck about them yeah but i don't forget about them yeah that's kind of how i look at i'm like an elephant yeah i won't forget that no like the grudge thing that he said like dude i'm the fucking same way like dude if you fuck with me i will never forget it you know and i mean you know that i'm gonna smile at you i'm gonna fucking i'll be your friend i'll shake your fucking hand but i'm gonna destroy you on the competition field whatever that is you know so i, I think it has a lot to do with it. And I think there's two kinds of people. I think there's people who take in

criticism and negativity and, and, um, things they view as slights and they hang on to that shit and it buries them for life. And they say, dude, you know what? My dad told me I was this, my fucking guidance counselor told me i was this my coach told me i sucked my my fucking girlfriend said i would be a loser and right and they and they go become those things right because they're just like well i guess that's what the fuck i am and then there's the people who get told the same shit and they're like you know what fuck you i'm gonna fucking shove it down your throat and that's the kind of person I am I've always been that way like I don't relate to people who aren't

that way I just don't and like I catch a lot of heat from that too people like I had a lady not too long ago she's like oh you know where's the growth at like you're a successful man now and this and that and you're not this kid anymore no motherfucker i am that kid because i'm nowhere near where the fuck i want to be you're putting your goals on me you're saying that you would be satisfied where i'm at which is exactly why you ain't the fuck there that's the truth. Yeah. So my mentality and people don't understand. I don't compare myself to fucking no offense to like other business owners that are similar side. I'm not doing that.

I'm comparing myself to the best motherfuckers that ever walked this fucking earth ever. And people don't get that. So yeah, laugh and yeah, make fun of fun of me and yeah say we'll never do it because every one of those comments never gets forgotten by me and that only produces an effect that benefits lots of other people so i'm i welcome the negative energy you know what i'm saying yeah like people in a hurry to try to grow out of it because it's not popular, you know? And you know what? It doesn't feel that good.

And you know what? It probably would make me more sane and happier if I would let shit go a little bit. But it feels pretty good when those times whenever I sit down and I look around and I'm at my fucking house that's beautiful and I'm looking around and I look at our company and I'm proud of everybody in it and I see the fucking good job everybody's doing and I see all these careers I mean hundreds and hundreds of careers and uh you know dude it's hard not to think about all those motherfuckers that said dude I was stupid or that I'd never be shit or that we were wasting our time i fucking think about it all the time and it makes me fucking smile and that feeling

is a good feeling people don't relate to it because they don't ever get to the point where they fucking prove those people wrong and then they say well you're just you're just motivated by people you should prove people right not prove people wrong motherfucker you ain't got it no it's true i'll tell you the way i look at it is uh nuclear energy is a really powerful energy you can blow up a city with it or you can use it to microwave a hot pocket that's right so you know you can use that that that negative energy in a positive way or you can use it to beat yourself up so why not you know why not use something so energy in a positive way, or you can use it to beat yourself up. So why not use something so powerful in a positive way?

Dude, that's the whole trick. The whole trick is to take it and to not... This is where people get it fucked up, right? They get themselves in a rage. They're mad or they're feeling angry. So-and-so said this. Fuck them. And they feel that for like a minute and then they just go back to doing what the fuck they were doing the key to this is that when you're feeling that

is to get up and move and do something that contributes to whatever the fuck they said you couldn't do if they said you're going to be a fat ass then when you start thinking about them calling you a fat ass get the fuck up and go walk for 30 minutes okay when they say you're broke and you ain't ever gonna be shit you know what when you start thinking about that and how that hurt you that's when you open up your fucking laptop and you start doing some shit to get better that's it well i mean i have a real world example of this i mean you know when i left my job at j and j you know basically took a not basically took a 50 percent pay cut. And I remember there was only five people or six people. One of these days, I'll start paying you back that pay cut sale.

Well, here we are. I think I've earned my worth in the grand scheme of life here. But, I mean, you start looking at, like, there was only five or six people that supported. That was it. Five or six. There was fucking two motherfucker it was me and your dad it was three it was me it was you and it was dad yeah and raquel that was it i mean and and i mean all i mean everybody else was confused yeah they didn't want to say it they're like and i'll fucking say it they fucking thought i was a fucking joke. And they're like, why the fuck are you, who's out doing great shit with a great job and a safe career and you're kicking ass, going to work for you who hasn't made shit in 10 fucking years?

And that's the truth. And you think I don't remember that shit? I fucking remember that. He fucking remembers it. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't work out of out of spite. I work out of, well, fuck, I fucking remember that. He fucking remembers it. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't work out of out of spite. I work out of, well, fuck, I got to win. I got to prove them wrong.

Like in my head, I don't. You know, I just, I'm not the, like, trust me, I'm the twist the knife and you fuck you guys. I think it takes both. It takes both mentalities. Like you're saying, DJ. I don't think one's right or wrong. No, dude, that's why I said it depends on the person. Right.

But I'm going to tell you one thing for sure. You can't be a fucking champion or be great at what it is you do unless you learn how to pivot that negative shit into positive action. If you can't learn that or you don't buy into it as a real thing or you don't think it's important, you will not win anything. It's the opening portion of the fucking podcast. Like you can hum yeah but the work's gonna fucking produce the fucking win that's why i get so mad about that shit people like why you get so mad at the spiritual people because because dude these motherfuckers don't tell the whole truth they tell part the truth

which is the problem with most people yeah okay they say dude i'm gonna lead a live meditation today on blah blah blah right and then they do it and that's cool and by the way just so you know i'm never ever referring to dr nicole when i say this shit nicole the power yeah she's awesome i just want everybody to know that i think she is the best person on the fucking internet to follow if you if you want to figure out what the fuck's going on upstairs and for all the you know you want to get in touch with the more of the softer stuff bro she's it everybody else is a fucking bullshitter she's it so i'm never talking about her but everybody else okay like dude Like, dude, you guys, you, you see all these,

these positive things that, that are put out. And I could appreciate that for 30 seconds, you know, Hey, that's a nice thought, but guess what happens after that? Nice thought.

I'm back in the fucking, I'm back in the fucking trenches over here. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, and people don't realize like, and this is why I go hard on them. so so much is because dude it's only fucking part of the puzzle the other part of the puzzle is the hard part that's the part where you're gonna have to go get your fucking nuts

kicked in 50 fucking times a day for 10 years okay now the mental, the meditation and the shit that I talk about, that can help you deal with that. But if you're looking at that as your only solution to becoming like, everybody's looking for the inner peace. You ain't going to have inner peace, motherfucker, if you ain't out doing something in the real world that you're proud of. You're just not. Not only that, inner peace comes from putting in the work. That's right. But that's never talked about from these fuckers they're convincing people who are looking for an answer and looking for a solution and looking for something to hang on to as hope and these people are fucking predatorily preying on them and i would argue that

a lot of these people are counterproductive because what happens when you get someone who's meditating and they're doing this and they're doing that and they're doing all this shit but their problems aren't really fixing themselves they feel better about their problems kind of like I kind of feel good that I meditated for 20 minutes. But they're not, like, actually fixing the problem. And there's a huge disconnect there in our world, and especially on Instagram and social media. Guys, if you think I'm just talking shit and I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about,

I challenge you to go look at any of those motherfuckers' lives and then come look at my life, okay? Because I'm going to promise you you my life is pretty fucking cool. You know what I'm saying? You got to do some real shit to make shit happen for yourself. There's a lot of success. People who listen to this podcast generally want to win and be successful. So I am not talking, hey, you can't have meditation in your life or you can't have these other tools but what I'm saying is if you don't get the fuck up and sweat and do some hard

fucking work and put in your your energy into an actual fucking real life thing it's going to be a very empty process for you to go through all that and that's what i'm that's my beef with that you know and i wish people would just i wish people would accept that or at least come to a realization of that you need two things not just one thing you get what i'm saying yeah for sure i think we should do something really unusual and wrap up this discussion of excellence uh with a reference to tiger king and joe exotica i have a what i think is a profoundly deep and insightful urban urban it's very very urban urban insight into joe exotica but i would

like to know dj you've seen it because nobody else has seen it, right? I've seen it. Oh, you've seen it? Who the fuck hasn't seen Tiger King, man? Well, I thought you hadn't seen it. You didn't see Tiger King, Joe? All right, so everybody's seen it. So just general, if I were to ask you, what do you think is actually something really, really laudable, praiseworthy about Joe Exotica, what would you say? I think one of the best things that I like is how he was able to take felons and people

who didn't have jobs and drug addicts and give them a decent job to make a decent living, gave them housing, gave them food. I mean, it might have been out of the Walmart truck. To continue them to be drug addicts? I mean, that's debatable. A safe haven so that they can continue the process? Look, man, it was good and bad.

Yeah, he was helping people, though. Let's focus on something good. Yeah, yeah. What was good? He helped people, he was helping people, though. Let's focus on something good. Yeah, yeah. What was good? He helped people, and I did like that aspect of it. Well, I like, you know, when that girl got her arm bit off, and he throws on that fucking medic jacket, like 30 fucking seconds, dude.

And goes into the conference room and gives people rain checks. Where the fuck do you come up with a fucking medical jacket, bomber jacket, in literally fucking.5 seconds? Right. Like, dude, that's the shit that I think about. That's what keeps me up at night, motherfuck 0.5 seconds right like dude that's the shit that i think about that's what keeps me up at night how the fuck did joe exotic get his medic jacket on fast enough to like when this girl like her arm gets bit off and he doesn't think like oh fuck his first thought is like let me go get my fucking jacket, dude. Like, that's fucking weird. But I'll say this, okay?

I agree with DJ. He created a little bit of a, like, a little family culture there, and that's not all bad, right? Did it serve himself? Absolutely. Did he? Yeah, there it is, dude. The famous jacket, bro.

Look at that motherfucker. That's official-ish. Fuck. Meanwhile, she's about to bleed out. Yeah, dude. You wouldn't think to, to like tourniquet her arm or like do you know you go put on your fucking jacket it's for the gram dude that's right he's a fucking dude he's a flexing so the uh you know what i liked about him dude honestly because

dude let's be real the whole appeal of the show is that he's sort of likable right that's the appeal of the show yes so the appeal to the dude, here's what I like. People are going to fucking think it's ridiculous. But like, look, man, in life, dude, nobody really believes in you. There's very few people that believe in you. And I respect and give ultimate credit to people that believe in themselves. And while everybody else is laughing at his country videos his country music video and you know who he's you know his show and all these things dude i just love the fact that the guy believed in himself enough to like just fearlessly do it you know what i'm saying i respect that 100 like dude he looked like like let's be real dude like the guy's funny like he was funny

and we kind of make fun of him it's kind of like you know we're making fun of him honestly for kind of because he's a little off right so like i but but dude if you break that part down like i dig that like people who step up and like dude those are my favorite people to follow on instagram too the people who are like they're not the big people like dude you those are my favorite people to follow on Instagram, too. The people who are like, they're not the big people. Like, dude, you know how many great people I see on Instagram that put out fucking amazing content that have like 8,000 followers? Right. They should have millions of followers. I agree.

Absolutely. And like, dude, see, I like people like that. Yeah. And so my favorite thing about Joe was that, you know, he wasn't afraid to go try and do his dreams. Like, dude, you want to make a music video? Make a motherfucking music video. I can tell you right now, I'll make a music video soon, too, and you're all going to fucking love it. Right.

So in the interest of full disclosure, I haven't seen all of them. So I don't know all of the bad things that he's associated with. No, but like, dude know dude the meme world right like it's kind of cool though because the me the social media world like they made fun of them but they were also not so hard on like they get it right like you know the meme world even they're still like pumping them up like yeah well what i was gonna say no he's a very sympathetic character he's like a very screwed up guy but like you know i think it was muhammad ali said you know don't judge it don't judge how about ali get a fucking quote on joe exotic bro well muhammad ali said don't judge any man until you walk in his shoes you know and

i would say like i can't even imagine my dad saying to me hey promise me you'll never come to my funeral yeah like that's that you know we don't yeah and not only that like dude like that's crazy like look dude i'm not sympathizing with them a lot of the animal people gonna get pissed off like dude i don't like i don't like animals being kept like that and all that shit i'm not again i'm against that but i'm just saying from a person standpoint you know you want to find something good about the dude i do like how he created like his own little family oasis of misfits yeah people who don't fit in other places you wouldn't care about them regardless no right and i dig that and that's why those people were loyal to him like that girl got her arm bit off and she's still like no came back this is my family right so dude he's

a he's actually a a great culture builder right like by default that's what i was gonna say so number one you interview hitler then two that two i bring joe exotic joe exotic in the game i got about four episodes in and i thought man i hang out with some fucked up people bro me too what the fuck am i watching never during the course of the show did i get the show i mean either like you know how like you watch the show and then you're like it's kind of slow but all your friends said it was good so you stick it out yeah and so like but but that's what happened the whole show. Like usually you get to a point and you're like,

Oh dude. All right. I see why everybody liked this show. Yeah. But I went through the whole motherfucker, like looking for that point. I was like looking the whole time. I'm like,

all right, when is this? When's the time? Like when's the time? I kind of thought the joke was on me. I'm like, wait a minute. So is the test that can

you really make it through this whole thing exactly dude i kept thinking like what the fuck yeah but really all it is is like dude people people actually love an underdog i'm convinced that people people just enjoyed watching it because as fucked up as they were it makes you feel normal well i think i think it caught two groups i think it caught the group of like us like everybody i'm saying us like the people who listen to the podcast who are like thinking the same kind of thing i'm thinking and then they kind of like start to like joe a little bit and they kind of they're kind of like holy fuck dude this is actually happening and you go through like multiple phases of it right and then

you know at the end you're kind of like what the fuck did i just watch i wanted to i thought at some point in time you're gonna start hearing jerry jerry jerry every episode i watched i was i was fucking smoking so like i was a little bit wondering if it was just me or if the show was like fucked up no it's definitely it's yeah but like i feel like the reason the show was so popular is because the first group, kind of like what we just discussed, and I think the second group, they just love seeing people fucking fuck shit up. Yeah.

And the guys are constantly fucking shit up. Yeah. And people love that. And I don't love that. That makes me hurt, dude. Yeah. Like when I see people just keep fucking their shit up dude yeah it bothers me did uh joe exotic see the guy that taught you how to dock so your first doctor

well tell you how to line it up just right what it came down for me uh is that you know obviously the guy's dysfunctional obviously he's gotten some done some stupid stuff and obviously we don't agree with some of the conditions of the way he operated. Come on, man. Do we agree with the way everybody operates? But here's what I think is very, very laudable about Joe is that it's this. What was that word? Laudable.

Okay, explain the word. Oh, it's admirable. Admirable. So I think he genuinely- That was for me motherfucker i think he genuinely yeah i think he genuinely one thousand percent uh loves those animals like loves tigers delights in them i think he i think he loves cares about giving people a good show and i think because he has so much of that belief and that love in his heart that that's i mean the dude is incredibly productive and so the the thing the phrase that came to my mind is like this guy is crazy out of

his mind but like i can't i thought of your phrase andy uh caring is not a buzzword yeah like that guy is successful. Even though he's so screwed up, he's successful because he cares. Well, if he wasn't so screwed up, he actually would have been financially successful. Yeah. He could have turned that into a real thing. Right.