REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 490. Part 2 - Restoring High Personal Standards In America Ft. Dakota Meyer

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

In today's episode, Andy & DJ are joined in the studio by retired United States Marine & Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer. They discuss what is the biggest threat to our nation, how the politicians in Washington are intentionally dividing us for their benefit, and why we need a new generation of leaders.

Welcome back guys, this is part two with Dakota Meyer. Dude, last time you were on the show, and you mentioned a date earlier when we were talking. Last time we were on the show people wanted to hear how you won your medal of honor yeah so um let's talk about that that was the date you mentioned when we were talking earlier yeah so september 8 2009 so i was on a uh so i was over in afghanistan on an embedded training team um it was four us and 80 afghans we lived on a base and um you know it was a unique position i was four four us four us and 80 afghans. We lived on a base and, um, you know, it was a unique position. I was four, four U S

or U S and 80 Afghans. Yeah. And so, uh, we were attached to 10th mountain, 10th mountain division, which was an army unit. Um, but we lived on a base with it, like a little corner base with just the Afghans. And, uh, I was actually a sniper in the Marines and, um, you know, we, I got detached from my unit to go on this and my team was, I had Lieutenant Johnson. So he was a calm guy, really awesome guy. He was, uh, from, he was from Oregon, but grew up in Virginia beach, like just, just an awesome dude. And then, uh, we had a Gunny Kenefic who, uh, just from Buffalo, New York, right. Just, uh, just an awesome, awesome guy. He was old man of the team. And, um, then we had doc Layton who was my corpsman and then myself. And, uh, you know, so we went over and we were in a place, it was in Eastern Afghanistan. So it

wasn't, I'm sure you heard of the Congo Valley. So we were East of of that right um in a in a valley is that where that uh documentary restrepo is from so restrepo is from corngold yeah yeah so we were east of that right um and just a just a really shitty place um and so like our job was to help mentor the afghan national army right to train them to to help mentor them you know the theory behind it which obviously we see the results of it now but the theory behind it is right. To train them, to, to help mentor them. You know, the, the theory behind it, which obviously we see the results of it now, but the theory behind it is, is that we train them up so that they can fight for their own country. And then we leave and they uphold it. Right. Didn't happen. Um, so we, we got called in on September. We got called on September 6th to go run a mission in this place called the Gangegaw Valley.

Um, Gangegaw Valley is a, a really, really bad Valley. Uh, it's actually in a book called the bear went over the mountain. Um, and they're like used to slot,

like they slaughtered the Russians. Like when the Russians would go in there, they would kill them and they would cut their heads off and put them on post outside the Valley. The Impaler style. Yeah. Like, like this is a fucking

ruthless valley but it was a it was a huge avenue for um like for the taliban they used it for like you know all their shit right yeah move it's a freedom of movement right and it was really close to another base that we were next to like less than two miles from it right and so um something had happened i don't know the whole backstory, but like there had been a rocket drop, killed one of their people. And long story short, they came to us and said they wanted to renounce themselves from the Taliban. Uh, they, they basically were trying to say, fuck the Taliban. Like we want to start supporting the government. Right. So we were going to go in and do our typical, yeah, this is it right here. Um, so we were going to go in and do our

typical, um, our typical, yeah, that's actually the thing. Um, that's actually the route we took. Yeah. So we were going to go in and, uh, so we were, we were going to go into a, I've never even seen that. So we were going to go into the Valley and do a, uh, a, a key leader engagements is what we call it. So basically you sit down with the elders. We kind of negotiate with them like, well, what do you need from us? Kind of like that scene they show in 12 Strong where they're sitting there and they're getting rice and some liquor and shit and they're having a conversation. Yeah.

And we did this all the time, right? Like we go in, I mean, look, like the best place to communicate is face to face with the elders and over a meal, right? And so we were going to go in and see what we needed to do to help support them. So the mission was that we would go in and it was supposed to go on the 7th and it got pushed off to the 8th. And, you know, this is always dangerous when you're working with counterparts, local national counterparts, because they're not as discreet about things.

They know the plan. Well, they know the plan. And I don't want to make them sound bad. No, I get it. Loose lips sink ships. Yeah, loose lips sink ships. And sometimes they tell people because they're excited Like they're excited to run a mission. You know what I mean? Sometimes they do that and, you know, and guess what? It gets leaked. Um, I think the Afghan national police or the Afghan border patrol, one of the two border patrols, the worst, uh, national police are terrible as well, but, um, they leaked the mission. Um, and it got pushed over to the eighth, which is hard to do, which is not good. So that morning we got up and I had had, I'd had some issues with the mission, the way it was planned. Now I was the youngest person in the room. You were 21 at the time.

Yeah, I was 21 at the time. And I was the youngest person in the room. Right. Um, I'd had some problems with the way it was planned. Uh, I had problems with the fact that we didn't have, um, we like our comp plan. Uh, we were, everybody was on one frequency. I thought that was dumb. I thought that we had snipers at 2000 meters out of their range of, you know, using their weapon systems was dumb. Um, and I, I didn't, my biggest problem was why weren't we bringing the vehicles in with us? Um, because if shit hit the fan, we would at least have some armor and big guns in there. And the response that they gave me was that we were going to go in clandestine, right?

So it was a 90 man fucking patrol, right? Clandestine. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. So anyways, it's just incompetent leadership what that doesn't even go together well i'm just quoting what they tell me right so

uh my leadership i mean they didn't like me anyways right uh and so they ended up leaving me so we were the mission was we're going to go in and park the trucks and then they were going to walk in the rest of the way by foot. So if you see on there, right, so number one, um, number one is where we would park. Well, a little bit before number one was right on this link on, on really for you guys also. So you guys can see it. So number one is about the area that we staged our vehicles. I mean, I know it says objective rally point back there. Maybe it was a little bit, but like one was about the area. So we came in that morning and parked the trucks and like, they took me out of my team and replaced me as a guy named Gunnery

Johnson. Gunny Johnson was a good dude, just a, just an awesome guy. And, um, they replaced me with Gunny Johnson and kind of like my punishment and stuff was to sit at the, at the trucks, the vehicles while they went in and ran the mission, you know, like leave me behind. This is the punishment for you sort of causing a fuss. Yeah. Okay. And, um, so I was, I was sitting with the trucks and on the way in that morning, you know, I was in the up gun and, uh, Kenneth Fick was driving. Lieutenant Johnson was in the pastor seat. Doc Layton was in the back. And then, uh, uh, Fazzel, our interpreter was in there. You know, we have our headsets on and we're rolling

in and, you know, that whole time, usually going in running missions the whole time going in, it's kind of like, uh, like your warmup to a game, right? Like we're talking about, hey, what's the objective rally point? What's your checkpoints? Like what's our call for fire targets? Hey, we take fire on the east. What's your on-call target that you're going to move off of? You know, like just kind of rehearsing. Dude, we never mentioned the patrol going in. All we talked about was home. Like all we talked about was coming home all we talked about was coming home like couldn't wait to get home we'd been in a really really bad gunfight on the sixth um and all we could talk about was just like man like well how we were going to drink beer when we got home who was buying the beer like all

this stuff right and and it tells me everything i need to know that like everybody was fucking scared and and like knew this was a bad idea was hot shit was hot yeah right and so we we came in that morning we parked at at the number one right there at the objective rally point a little release point on this map yeah yeah so so just yeah so like that yeah so release point over objective rally point, whatever. It's about the same area. So we parked our trucks there and the guys got out. We parked and they all got out. And I'll never forget, Kennefic was starting to walk off and he said, Myra, I'll see you on the flip side. And it was so dark. And so they started to walk. This is that night? No. So it's about 3.30, 4 in the morning. night? No. So it's about three 30, four in the morning.

Okay. Yeah. So it's still dark, still dark, right? Pitch black. And so I've got a thermal device and I'm like watching the heels. I mean,

it's like a bowl, right? And I'm watching the heels and like, I see people going to the heels and like, they ain't working out. Like, I mean, it ain't,

it ain't nothing new. You know what I mean? They're not rucking. They ain't 75 hard. Yeah. They ain't 75 hard. They don't, they don't know new. You know what I mean? They're not rucking. They ain't 75 hard. Yeah. Ain't 75. They don't, they don't know Andy. You know what I mean?

You know, so they, uh, I started calling it out and I was told to get off the radio. Right. Check. Roger. So my team goes in and, um, the village is up there about where 11 is. And so my team was in the front of the patrol. The village is up there about where 11 is. And so my team was in the front of the patrol. And they start walking in.

And as soon as they get to the edge of the village, all the lights in the village shut off simultaneously. And I mean, it was like on. on yeah so come to find out so it started right then yeah so and usually like it was like a normal gunfight right in a normal gunfight like you know they start shooting you start shooting right you you kind of so instantly you for you guys knew instantly they knew you were coming oh fuck yeah yeah yeah and so in you know with it usually they would shoot at you when you left so the fact that they shot at us when we got there we knew we'd been set up like there was no doubt there was no leaving yeah it was fucking on right and and you better like yeah in a patrol

this big like you know i mean there's 90 of us, you know what I mean? Like they're, they're prepared. So what they had done was, is they had leaked over our exact map of where we were going to put our overwatch positions and stuff. And they had set up above our overwatch positions to be able to keep them pinned down. And they had infiltrated the entire village. Right. So before kind of, and again, I jump around, it's a long story, but like before the fighting

had started, there was all these sheep and like people were leaving the village. And I knew what that meant. Like, listen, this ain't my first rodeo. Like they were getting all their, what they cared about out of there, right? And like this one guy, so I would always try to go up and talk to him a little bit and just kind of feel him out. And, and like, they wouldn't even, wouldn't even talk to me. Right. So new, no doubt that shit's bad. Right. And, um, it's all of a sudden the gunfight kicks off and, uh, and you know, usually in any gunfight, they always throw the kitchen sink at you in the beginning. And then it's like they start, I mean, they can't, they don't have resupply and shit like that. Right. You know what I mean? No, you know what I mean? Most time. But like this one, I mean, it was like nothing. It was not slowing down. It was like one afternoon. So you knew it was planned. Right. It wasn't just some shithead in his house with two mags right um and

we had you know we had mortars rockets i mean they were sending it all so we kind of start figuring out where everybody's at and you know we tried to call on-call targets and and um you know i it was normal chatter back and forth and then you know you know, I, you know, they started calling in artillery, which is the first thing they usually do. Right. We started requesting a close arm, uh, cast, right. Uh, you know, with, with helicopters, we usually, we get Kiowas there. Um, and they just kept telling us 15 minutes on, on, on air. Right. That's the great thing about fighting for the United States of America is we have fucking air.

Right. And when you start getting your ass kicked, you call air and then it's not fair anymore. And, and, you know, we, we win. Right. That's, that's why it's great to be an American. And, um, it kept saying 15 minutes, 15 minutes, 15 minutes. And it just was delayed. And so, you know, eventually I heard Lieutenant Johnson come over the radio and he was at about probably a let, maybe let's go down, go down. I think nine is where I found him at.

Yeah, go down. So nine is the courtyard um trenches so so i it was below a little bit below nine so go up a little bit yeah so eight was where a school was right so there was a school over there and what they were doing they had that thing full of people and there was there was literally trenches all the way around this thing that they were dug in. I mean, this place is built for fighting, right? And it's like stair steps all the way up of terraces. And I heard Lieutenant Johnson come over the radio and he said, I need to support artillery mission, which is normal. And he requested for it. He was trying to put munitions between him and the village to basically give him, you know, cover so that they could exfil, right? And he gave this, he gave a grid that was spot on. And the response he got back was it's too

close to the village. Now, what we didn't know was that about 30, 45 days before this, Stanley McChrystal had put in a rule of engagement that stated that you could not fire munitions within a certain radius of a village unless you had now you ready for this unless you had gone through and made sure that there were only enemy combatants that that all the that all the friendlies were out of it the only enemy supposed to do yeah exos motherfuckers riddle me that right do you believe the taliban knew that also uh yeah oh oh for sure yeah like they knew that that new order was yeah they're watching the shit they're what they watch everything they they fucking know right i mean you know um

so bro that's what you get when you get people in washington making fucking decisions dude 100 yeah but i go i don't i don't i don't blame Stanley McChrystal. Like I blame the people who listen to Stanley McChrystal. Yeah. Right. Like, again, like it goes back, you know, so anyways, um, because, and I'm going to give you a perfect example of this. So anyways, he came, Lieutenant Johnson came over the radio, me and Rodriguez Chavez, staff sergeant Rodriguez Chavez at the time. We were sitting there listening to this and he came back over the radio and he stated, he said, Lieutenant Johnson said, if you don't give me these rounds right now, we're going to die. He said it on the radio. Yep.

And the response I quote that he got back was, we'll try your best. Wait, they said, well, try your best? Yes. Like they're basically saying well do what you can yes and so at that point like i knew that nobody was going to fucking help and so me and rodriguez chavez like we got to go do something so we requested three or four times over the radio if we could go in each time told no by the command that was in there and finally we just said that we're going in um because that's what like i i didn't i don't like i don't like i asked you out

of respecting your position but i'm still gonna fucking do it right because it's the right thing to fucking do yeah and i knew for a fact that once we left that position that if it wasn't as bad as i thought it was there would be consequences for it like i my career would be ended like i'd be in so much fucking trouble um but i'll tell you this i'd rather be like you not know me today and my teammates be alive yeah then to be standing here today knowing that i did nothing and i blamed it because i was told not to just knowing you just you, you wouldn't have been able to live with that. Well, I wouldn't have, right. I got, I got to sleep at night. Right. So me and Rodriguez Chavez, we headed in and, um, on the first trip in, we got to, so we, we went around as soon as

we turned where three is at. So it was like a big is at so it was like a big wall like it was like a big huge terrace there you couldn't really see up in the valley but once we turned you took a right where three was at right there and it was like a big riverbed probably 100 meters wide and there were bodies everywhere like when i tell you taliban were running at the fucking vehicle when i tell you that like there were motherfuckers everywhere, like everywhere. And so this was the 90 guys. This was not just them. Like, I mean, it was like the enemy. It was like my Afghan soldiers. Right. I mean, it was, I mean, it was just, it was, it was like fucking chaos. I mean, they were coming out, walking out, look like the

fucking walking dead. Right. Like carrying their guys. I found my interpreter on my way in and he had been shot. Right. And he's like, he, I, I asked him, I said, Fazel, cause he was with my guys. I said, where are they at? And he's like, they're still in there. And so I said, well, will you help me get them? And he's like, well, absolutely. Right. And, um, he had just gotten married and I'll never forget like he like like he would he would like he like looked at his wedding ring and you know he was he was just like you know if this is it this is it right and um you know so as we we headed up in there i'd heard kenefit come over the radio and he stated he needed a a medevac and so i knew that I always carried a Sharpie in my gear. And so if I put a tourniquet on someone, I would write on their forehead that they had a tourniquet on. Because if you have a

tourniquet on, yeah, well, the time of it. But when they're traveling places, if you have a tourniquet on your leg, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to cover you up with a blanket to keep you from going into shock. And a lot of times if there's a mass casualty situation, they don't know you have a tourniquet on and they would have treated you already. So at least it's on your forehead. Cause ain't nobody covering your fucking head up with a sheet, right? Unless you're dead. And so we, um, I knew that I pulled that Sharpie out and I was trying to write on the metal turret. I knew if I could get the grid location that I would knew where he was and I'd be able to get them.

And he got the first three numbers out and then like stopped. And so we kept pushing up. And on the first trip we pushed up to about look where that red line is. That dash line. That dash line. So we pushed up at least to there. And, uh, my 50 cal started going down it started shooting single shot because i was shooting so much and um like these motherfuckers

were running at the truck right like rodriguez chavez i shot this guy in the front like i i like when i couldn't move my my turret fast enough i'd pull my m4 up and i'd shoot a motherfucker with my like my m4 up and i'd shoot a motherfucker with my like my m4 right and i shot a guy in the front and rodriguez chavez like he wouldn't stop the truck because if you did like it was fucked and so he fucking hits this dude like shot this guy and he fucking hits this dude and i remember he looks at he looked yelled at me he's like man i fucking hit one homie and uh i was like oh shit right we're kind of laughing gotta laugh when the shit sucks yeah yeah and like it sounded like static was over my head like so when around when like when you're

getting shot at and like it gets close like it literally sounds like a like that right there like a pen going through a piece of paper and like it sounded like static because there was so so much gunfire right and some of it was hitting like because they had the angle on you and like in the turret some of it was hitting in the turret right like i mean it just didn't matter and uh i just never forget like i was like so not only do you hear the fucking static bro you're hearing all the fucking hits on the armor you can feel you can feel the fucking like like when it hits like you know like when you shoot a piece of steel yeah and like it the

bullet descending you can feel the shit coming off that's fucking crazy and um i remember just thinking like which round is it going to be that's going to hit me in the fucking face right like you know it's one thing to shoot back at somebody but it's another like the person who wins is the motherfucker who keeps his face on the gun that's the hardest discipline you got right like anybody can anybody can do this right anybody can like shoot rounds but man like they gotta be effective and so like i was just trying my best like there were times that like gosh it got so bad that like i would sit down on the strap and be like fuck man and um so we pushed up my my gun went down to single shot and so we had to turn around and on the way out we went out and we got we had to get another truck and we established a casualty collection point down there where number two is. And so what we did on the second trip in. What's the scale from one to 11? Like how

much distance is that? So it's probably a mile from one to three. Okay. And probably miles for the whole thing. Probably. Okay. Yeah. About that. All right. And so, um, so number two, number two prop. Yeah. So number two, so Rod went and got a truck and on his way back in, we had the Afghan national army trucks. We asked them to bring in, um, their pickup trucks. And so they brought them in behind us. And so my, my interpreter, he ended up taking over the gun for me. and i would get out of the truck and i would so when we came in we turned up three where three is and we come up the valley and you'd start hearing what you'd see like so the afghan soldiers in the beginning when they seen me they would run to me like they would stand up they were so like like helps here and they just get fucking like

like they were just trying to get to us and they just get mowed down. Like they just get fucking like, like, I mean, like these guys had them dialed in. Yeah. They're shooting everybody that's standing. Yeah. And so on the second trip in, they, what they would do is they would raise their foot up, right? Like they would raise their foot and, uh, or like they would do something to let you know that they're alive. And so I would jump out with my med bag and I'd try to get to them and, and, you know, I, I would put tourniquets on the one that I could. Um, and that was really all I could do, man. Like, like I would put tourniquets to try to stop the bleeding, but like in that position, it's, it's, there's not like, I would, I mean, I would sit with some of them, like as they died, right. Like I would, you know, I would do as best as I could until they died. And what I would do

is I'd drag them back to the road and then I would throw them in the back of the truck and I would, you know, I would do as best as I could until they died. And what I would do is I'd drag them back to the road and then I would throw them in the back of the truck and I would put the dead ones on the bottom. And then I put the ones who had a chance to live on top of that. And then we would send them out all the way out. Right. And, uh, so we did that for about two trips. And, um, then on the last trip in, so finally helicopter showed up, right. Uh, about, about our second trip, they showed up like two of them came in, but like they were there for maybe

five minutes and they were empty, right? Like they just unloaded everything. They had to go back and resupply. And then I, I ended up coming over the radio. Nobody wanted to fucking do it, but I finally came over the radio and I said that we have four us missing because I knew that, that when you say that there's a level of urgency. Yeah. I mean, I got resources for days, but I, but I have to have a reason to say it. Right. Yeah. You talk about playing with fire. Like there's going to be an investigation. I mean, it's going to be, you talk about all eyes on it. So like, you don't a reason to say it, right? Yeah. You talk about playing with fire. Like, there's going to be an investigation. I mean, it's going to be, you talk about all eyes on it, so, like, you don't want to just say it.

But once I figured out that they were truly missing and didn't have comms with them, like, I said it, right? And so you're going to get PJs. I mean, it's going to, like, so at one point in time, we had four Kiwas on station, two Apaches on station. We had two fast movers on station, which are airplanes. And then we had a set of PJs coming to help. And so you get resources for days. And so on the last trip in, we did this back and forth a few trips. And on the last trip in, so what happened is these helicopters would fly over at the time they showed up and they would go trip in, you know, we did this back and forth a few trips and on the last trip in, uh, these,

so what would happen is these helicopters would fly over at the time they showed up and they would go spot. And so wherever they were, I knew under them was a, was a body that, that we needed to get. And so I would run over and grab them and pull them back. And, you know, and on the last trip in, um, they said that they'd found these PJs came in and they said that they had found, they said, five bodies in this trench. And so I thought it was just another, you know, another set of bodies. And I truly believe that my teammates had pushed up and got into a house and, you know, held on to a fucking house. Right. That's what I thought they had done. And so we pull up, we stop and I jump out of the truck and i take off running so i asked them

so they said the pj said it was too dangerous for them to land and grab them so i said hey spot it or i asked swenson to have them spot it with smoke so they dropped a thing of smoke on top of this terrace and so i took off fucking sprinting and i jumped off this terrace and it was probably four or five feet tall. And like I landed in this ditch line. Right. And, um, and I landed on top of Gunnery Sergeant Johnson. And then I went to the left a little bit and Doc Layton was, all of his med gear was scattered out and he was laying face down on top of Lieutenant Johnson. He'd been working on him.

And then I went a little bit further around this this uh trench and i found um gunny kenefic and they'd all been executed and stripped of their gear and um so i uh like i i just you know i mean it's like fuck man like you can't like you know you you you guess to lose one but like you know the whole team to lose fucking like like all of them um so i called over the radio and said hey the the four the four the four missing are now confirmed killed and um i reached down i'll never forget i went to pick up gunny johnson and you know i did i mean i had drug out you know, I did, I mean, I had drug out, you know, a few people before this and been going all day and like, man, like I reached down to grab him and

like, I picked him up on my shoulder and, uh, to carry him out. And like, I fell flat on my face. It was like all the adrenaline was gone. And, um, I'll never forget that. Like one of the most impactful moments of that day is like, I just fail. And like, I had him on top of me and, um, I, I rolled him over to pick him up again. And, uh, the Afghans were, were came in my Afghan soldiers and they came up to me and they said, let me, let me help you. And I said, don't, don't fucking touch my guys. Like, like I'll, I'll finish this. And they begged and they like this, this guy looked at me and he said, uh, he said, you know, you stayed around to help us carry our debt out and we're going to stay here to help you carry your debt out. And, and it was, it was pretty cool. Right. And so I, I, they helped me get my guys. Um, we, we moved them. We, we put them in the back of these trucks and,

uh, we put, um, it was, it was Layton and Gunny, Gunny Johnson. We put in the first truck out and then I picked up Kennefic and, and Kennefic and Lieutenant Johnson. And we put them in the second truck. And then I just jumped in the truck because to me, like the fucking day's over. Right. Like I just jumped in the back of the truck. I had an Afghan driver and we just left the patrol and went, went on back. And man, as I was driving out, um, I got so a little bit past number one right there and on the way out and, um, the whole village was standing there fucking laughing at me. Like just laughing, like pointing, like fucking laughing, flipping me off on the way out. And like, I pulled my gun up and like Lieutenant or not Lieutenant Johnson, but, uh, but doc, uh, or not doc, but, um,

Fazel, Fazel was like, it ain't worth it. It ain't fucking worth it. You know what I mean? And like, I was so like, so fucking pissed at them. And, uh, so we, we go back and I put, you know, we, we had to go to the freezers. So we put the guys in the freezers, uh, got all their stuff, all their personal belongings out. We put them on the helicopters with the PJs to go back. And then, uh, I went over to the Afghan national army side of the base and helped them do the same with their dad. And, uh, then I went and, and, and ate some, ate some lunch, you know, is a, but I mean, you know, man, it was a, it was, it was a shitty day. Right. Um, but man, like, you know, I, I learned so much about it. Right. Like I learned so much about myself, like that day literally forever changed my existence. Right. And, and, um, you know, I, I, I miss my teammates. Right. And then, you know,

I got sent home. I was in another gunfight four days later that was almost as big, just as big. Um, I got sent home around Thanksgiving weekend. I think I got home back December 5th. Um, taking us necessary risk is what it was called. Um, I got sent home and, and, you know, like I love the Marine Corps, like, like I had gone on this deployment to put in a package, uh, to, to go, I wanted to go to the selection for, for, uh, MARSOC, right? Like I wanted to do that. I wanted to be an operator. Like I love being a Marine. I thought that the rest of my life I would be a Marine. Um, I mean, I loved it. Like I love being a sniper. Uh, I loved what we stood for, what we fought for. Like I loved it. And, um, you know, literally lost not only my job,

not only my teammates, um, you know, what I thought was my future. Right. And, uh, you know, but, but it's, but it's been the biggest lesson for me that that failure that day has been the biggest lesson to me to make sure that the, of who I am going forward. Right. Like, I mean, I failed my teammates that day, right? Like people were like, oh, well you did and you did the best you could. Well, a lot, like, I don't, I don't like, like, you know, when Tom Brady loses the Superbowl motherfucker tried as hard as he could. Well, you're looking at it from a team standpoint, you know, from an individual standpoint, had you done any, I mean, bro, you would have been with right there with them. We wouldn't even know each other. You're, you're, you're right. You're, you're a hundred percent right. But, but for me, like,

I don't change the narrative. Like I went in that day to go save my teammates and I don't change the narrative because it doesn't fucking feel good. Right. But I use it as like, you won't beat me because like, unless you're willing to kill me, like you ain't gonna fucking beat me because I know like how far I'm willing to go to lose. Right. And I know what that loss feels like. And, and, and like, you know, I watched my teammates and I went a long time, you know, when I talk about these excuses, when I talk about like, you know, who you surround yourself with personal accountability, like, I'll give you an example. Like I came back from this and back from this and people looked at me and they're like, man, I couldn't imagine what you'd gone through, right? Like, I was a drunk asshole, piece of shit, man. After? Yeah. Came home, PTSD this, you know what I mean? Like, and had I been dealt a bad hand? Yeah. Yeah, I had. But I was around people who weren't calling my bullshit.

Right? Like, it didn't- Well, it's a hard thing to call, bro. It's hard to call bullshit on something that most 99.99999% of human beings will never experience. You're right. Yeah. You're right. But like,

but I get it too. But, but, but I'll tell you this, the biggest, the most disgraceful thing that I ever did was go through life and waste a day and justify me wasting a day and being a piece of shit by my teammates sacrifices. Yeah. You know, this is, this is a pretty cool story right here. So you see down there on the far left on that road, that's our trucks. So we were getting shot at. It's called Hill 8, or yeah, 1311. Where are we at, right here? No, no, no. So go down to right by.

Right here. Yeah. Yeah, right there. So that's our trucks. So these guys were shooting at us. And so my Afghans were like, let's fucking chase these guys up the hill and go get them. Right. And so we went up the hill and like, we fucked them up.

That's a big fucking hill. It took us a while, but we fucked them up, man. Like it was, that was a good day. Yeah. Fuck bro. That was a good day. That's an intense fucking story, dude. Yeah, man. But, but you know, like, it's just's just it's like it's a hand you're dealt right like what's next i i dude i give you like the

maximum level respect to take a situation like that and turn it into something powerful to drive you to be a better fucking person like that's all you can fucking do that's all you can do yeah right and like in that story, that, that day goes to waste. Um, you know, it's why I don't wear my metal, right? Like, I mean, I don't wear my metal. I don't like, I give it to my, my, my, actually my oldest daughter has it. And, uh, because like, I'm not going to live off that day. Right. Like I was good one day. Yeah. Well, what am I going to do? What am I doing today? Yeah. I've never heard you even talk about it. Yeah. Like ever. Yeah. It was weird for that to, you know, even ask about it today yeah i've never heard you even talk about it yeah like ever yeah it was weird for that to you know even ask about it because i've never heard you talk about it yeah because you know to me like you know all those medals on my chest were you

definitely in better shape now yeah dude i was so you want to be told what the truth is that's right you're eating a little fucking you're eating pretty well there no and it's and it's embarrassing right like that's the day that you know i i'm remembered as the most and you know like people around me didn't tell me that people like you don't have to go through that day when i start if i start getting fat you better fucking tell me bro 100 say handy yeah yeah man but um but yeah it's fucking crazy man yeah yeah it was a crazy day it was a it. It's hard to even believe anymore. You know, looking back, it was a crazy day. Fuck.

I heard rumors, bro, all low. I don't even look like you, dude. No, it doesn't. Yeah. Was there something about Obama not inviting you to the ball or something like that because you were being so it wasn't him so there was like a there was actually a uh yeah so I was gonna go I got invited to a Marine Corps ball uh but one of the ambassadors one of Obama's ambassadors over and I think it's Iraq maybe yeah I think Afghanistan or Afghanistan one or two Afghanistan yeah um they wouldn't like he he refused to give me access to come. The Marines were stationed there and they wanted me to come to their ball and he refused to give me access because I criticized Obama on his policies and stuff. So I didn't get to, I didn't get to go to the ball.

That's great. See, he's not far left. No. I can't believe that. No, like I'm, I'm actually, no, I'm saying I can't believe that right no like i'm actually no i'm saying i can't believe that they would deny you access that's communist shit bro yeah that's bad shit you got a fucking guy who just won the medal of honor the highest fucking award you can win yeah you're gonna allow them access not allow them access to the ball yeah it was it was yeah because it was the ambassador's ball i guess or whatever right and and yeah they didn't they didn't let me come because of that right i

mean i mean it is what it is right i mean look listen yeah i know but like it's just fucking that's fucked up yeah yeah yeah crazy crazy day crazy day are those go back to that are these are those terraces uh go back to that picture i gotta pull it back up one second what what is that picture that picture are those the terraces you're talking about in the background yeah so in the background back there so like see those like that like that's all like all those are terraces right yeah that's what you gotta fight up so that's that's the part is that's like see see those walls yeah those are all terraces going up into it so they're all up on top of there

shooting down at you yeah like you're like running a gauntlet up it right fuck yeah that's a shit show fuck dude yeah i mean these places are built to fight see if you can find another uh picture of ganja valley fuck yeah i mean it's no fucking joke right is this whole thing did it last long enough for daylight to come up or was it all in the dark no yeah it lasted uh i think it lasted eight or nine hours oh okay yeah so the sun's coming up and then it's so when you start it when it all started it was dark and then it was light yeah it was like three three or four o'clock in the afternoon. Damn. And I remember I came back and like, there was a reporter with us. And so I knew it was going to hit the news the next day. And so what they do is when somebody

gets killed, when an American gets killed, they shut down, they call it a river city. So they shut down all the comms until they notify the families. So I was afraid that my dad was going to hear about it. So I ran over to my, to my house or to my hooch where I was staying at, I got on my computer and I Skyped my dad and I just said, Hey dad, like, um, I know you're going to hear, I know. Yeah, this is it. So I know you're going to hear about this, but Hey, I just wanted, I just wanted to call you and let you know that I'm okay. my dad said uh he said well how are your how are your team you know what about your guys and i said well they didn't make it but like just know i'm okay and like and that was it right and hung up um but yeah so that left side right there see

the road so that left side was the the road that we were fighting up uh yeah that one down are these terraces they made these terraces yeah yeah so they do it for agriculture right so zoom in a little bit um see if you can zoom in that's the village to the right there kind of right center yeah so so yeah so right there yeah got it so fuck yeah so that's it so go so go come down so bro there's no equipment you could really take up there anyway so you can drive up that you drive up the see the road right there yeah that's like a riverbed though yeah but it snakes everything into the fucking to a target yeah like i i found uh yeah right so yeah so i found my teammates and right there's a so go down a little bit um so see that see that path right there like it so

right there yep come down a little bit. The other way, come to the left. Left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left. So right there is where I found my teammates, right? So they were in that trench line, but that trench line leads up to a fucking house. So they literally built a trench line that goes around that thing

so that they could fight out of it. For reference, so like this like plateau right compared to this what's the height difference there probably four feet at least so you can't take like armored vehicles up that shit right no you'd have to stay on the road right yeah and they're in there so that's why they did it yeah and so they're running around that right like and you'd run up on a motherfucker and be three feet from him right you better be ready to get down yeah fuck yeah why the fuck are we even going in there like that seems like a place that you would just hit with with with fucking other shit yeah yeah i mean it's it's a complex thing right and after going i mean i'm no fucking military strategist after going into ukraine like i am

proud to be an american on how we fight yeah yeah i mean that's fucking you know i don't really ask military guys to tell us their stories that much so like that's the first time anybody ever did on the show that was that was something else i could see why uh after kind of learning the mission i could see why you had your objections to uh doing it that way yeah i mean look and i i'm not like not going to say that, that I could have changed the outcome of anything. Right. Like everything.

Yeah. Well, I mean, bro, certain things are pretty fucking obvious. Yeah. I mean, you know, when people go like, you know, the Marine Corps sometimes still has a problem with, um, that, that, well, I disobeyed orders. Right. Like that's still to this day yeah right like there's actually like we understand why that's that's i mean i can understand why that's important yeah

like because you can't have people just disobeying orders to go do shit but there's a line no like and i and i don't there's always a line there's always a line what there is right and it what costs right and and and i look the thing that makes us a free society is that we are a law abiding country, right? Like the laws are important. Yeah, right, right. Like they're a double-edged sword, right? They keep us free until they don't make sense, right? And they're used as, to, to, to as a personal benefit. Right. Um, but, but yeah, I mean, look, I don't, I don't think anybody should disobey orders. I think that, that everybody, you know, that, that obeying orders is what makes our military

great. But like, I didn't, I don't feel like I disobeyed orders. I feel like I made an educated decision. Right. My, my command had showed me their incompetencies so many times up to that point that, that, you know, I, I didn't trust them to do the right thing anyways. Right. And I made an educated decision and I think that's what we should all do in life. And, and, you know, you know, the one thing that my dad like instilled in me was, you know, don't, don't try to keep up with the Joneses, right? Like, don't, don't look around

and, and try to like, who gives a fuck what anybody else says, right? Like do, do the right thing. Like, you know, like there's a lot of people like with, with our names, our last names, there's a lot of people who, who had those last names before us. I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that as you were telling the story, I was thinking like, you know, America needs to remember like the citizens of America, all of you, everybody needs to remember that like motherfuckers have actually died for you to live.

Yeah. Like they, at some point on some point in time, if you trace back everything, somebody died for you to live real talk 100 for every single fucking citizen in this country and and go even a little bit further like there's been people before us every like all of us have had people sacrifice so that we could have what we have. Yeah. Seen and unseen. Right. Seen and unseen. Right.

Like I, I look at people who live off of generational wealth. There's some broke motherfucker that sacrificed all of his freedom, all of his time, all of his like busted his ass so that you could fucking live the life you live. Right. Like,

like, you know, I, I, that's something that people should take more seriously. That's something that I have. I seriously that's that's something that i have i have that yeah in me because my dad never met his dad so my my dad never met his actual dad his actual dad was killed uh shortly after normandy in world war ii uh and he never met him and so so when I think about that, and I think like when I think about my life,

I've always had that. Like I've always had that thought. I'm like, well, fuck dude, this guy, one generation removed from me basically, two generations, right? Like my grandpa fucking died for me to even have the opportunity to do do this life yeah and that's something i've always had and taken seriously and i i never thought like like to me that's obvious like i

don't forget that you you get what i'm saying because it's like in my family it's not something i forget and i assume sometimes that everybody fucking gets that but like they don't and and that's that's where my fault is i think in some of the things i think about yeah well yeah and and like we have to you have to go tell your story you have to tell your story like we all have to tell our stories right like you know i see a lot of people criticize seals coming back and telling their stories or whatever right and it's like this matters because I'll tell you this, the side of wrong doesn't give a fuck about telling their stories. So the side of right has got to tell their stories. Right. We all have an obligation. You know, you, you think about like, you know, when we sat down with the last generation, I mean, listening to their stories and what they came in, in the, the,

you know, the adversity that they overcome in order to get to where we're at was incredible. Like their stories, we couldn't imagine, right? Like, you, you know, we've got to do the same for the next generation. We have an obligation. No, it is an obligation. And I also don't believe, you know, that, and I know, you know, you, you may believe differently, but also don't believe you know that and i know you know you you may believe differently but i don't believe that that we've even began to pay that debt no i i think i think that men who think like we think i personally believe there's going to come a day in the not too distant future where we're going to have to do that in a real way here in our own country and it scares the fuck out of me and that's why i get so like urgent about people

just taking responsibility and standing up for what they know to be right and being vocal and being an american expressing our freedoms uh to to prevent that from happening. Cause like, dude, I'm getting to the point where I'm like, I mean, we talked about it at lunch, dude. I just see, I, I, you have more faith than me. I see this thing going all the way to where there's literal fighting here in our country. And it, but it, but the fight wouldn't last very long. It probably wouldn't. You know what I mean? Like I hear maybe it will. Most people are outnumbered 30 to 1 here's what 100 to 1 maybe maybe like look the the fight would not like and that's the thing right like as soon as they seen the fight start it would be over i mean you know i mean um it would it would take no time yeah right so So I hear you on it. And I think that, oh, okay, maybe that will happen. But the most important part, the fighting part is, is okay. It's going

to happen wherever it happens. And like, that's already, that's already going to be decided wherever that decides to happen. The most important part is, is where we come in with these principal base, like the rebuild, like the rebuild, like the part, the important part's not the fight. Like everybody's worried about the fight. No, no. It's rebuilding after the worst at the bottom level. It is. That's where the reset is meant to happen. The reset of society. Their reset. Their reset that they're trying to impose globally on society is meant to happen at the bottom. Yeah. Destroy everything, rebuild from here. But it'll never work. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why it'll never work. It'll never work because we know freedom, right? And when they get to the bottom, there's a common enemy at the

bottom. When you start going up, the enemy is different. Everybody's issues are different. The higher you go up the chain. When you get to the bottom like people care about the essentials yeah so like again i hear up at their level what they're seeing that it is like they can divide and all this i promise you when they step down on our level like look nobody's gonna give like nobody's gonna give up freedom like that's the and guess what we all got do you really believe that bro i watched all these motherfuckers during covid just do what the fuck they were told and it ended up being bullshit to the point where they're taking medications that they didn't believe that they should take you watched it yeah that's what they showed you you watched what they wanted you to believe

no i saw it bro well you you saw it again i didn't watch it on like cnn but come to texas i got you but come to texas right like missouri's a pretty red state bro but they still try they we had a fucking county executive here named sam page push all these far far left policies into our community as hard as possible we had restaurants here that were fucking denying people that were not vaccinated did you follow it no they're out of business now did you but did you know i didn't follow it well no i i dude honestly i boy i i will forever boycott any restaurant or establishment that did that shit so i'm done oh i got a whole list i know who the fuck they are i remember i'll never forget i got i got you yeah so so my point being is no it yeah it didn't

it didn't affect me in that way but it did affect my fucking freedom bro because i wasn't able to go anywhere without getting fucking harassed you know what i'm saying like i couldn't go the fuck i couldn't go anywhere like for two years i fucking stayed between my house and here so i didn't have to kill anybody during the day like real talk like that i did it out of like because i know how i would react to that like if someone fucking screams at me in public bro there's going to be a fucking problem yeah it's just i'm not going to deal with it but we're not everybody and that's the thing you know i'm saying like there's plenty of people who don't have that you know fuck off mentality yeah that had no choice to put it up because yeah they had no other choice so like what i'm saying

my point is like i agree with what you're saying. It still comes down to our decisions to comply. But the problem is I saw so many people comply that on the back channel or on, you know, social media, like, bro, these motherfuckers were like, you know, with the mask thing, like, dude, there's people fucking putting the mask on to go on fucking vacation so they can fucking party, even though it's against their core belief to do. I didn't do that. I didn't fucking compromise. I wore a mask for about go on fucking vacation so they could fucking party even though it's against their core belief to do i didn't do that i didn't fucking compromise i wore a mask for about 30 fucking

seconds and it was that one day that we came down here to the building to check on construction the first day the shit came out i walked in here none of the dudes working were wearing a mask i'm like fuck this i'm not doing this shit either that was it for me the whole time and so like my my my viewpoint is that you say okay they're not going to give up freedom, but when they can convince you to do things that people don't perceive as their freedom being given away, they've been very effective at doing so. I hear you. Yeah.

A hundred percent. I hear you. Right. And you're right. We have a herd mentality, but it's always been that way yeah it has it's always been that way right always be that way and so it's kind of like the whole argument with so how do we make it our herd say they're heard there you go right the how do we make it our herd well we go out and we you're right here right this is one

place like we start providing we start building out a community we go back to the community right where i tell you we will smoke these motherfuckers is like look when we go in person and we focus on core issues to to make people better like not the political side of it right like i don't give a fuck how you believe i don't care like vote how you fucking want to vote like that's on you like that's that's why we live in in the united states of america that's why it's called democracy right um but like we gotta go back and make being a good human being cool again popular do you really think that do you do you really think that everybody i agree with you by the way we do need to make it cool again that's the problem we're not it's not made cool people people look dude and every cultural weapon impossible that's

you has been exhausted to the point where young kids are now rebelling by becoming christian because they're like, they can't rebel in any sort of rebellious way because it's all accepted. Yeah. Right. And it's actually blowing up in their face. Do you believe in like, do you believe that everybody in America deserves a vote in democracy? Do it. I mean, I think they, I believe, I believe that you should have to have skin in the game. I believe that too. I shouldn't be able to not be a shareholder in your company and tell you how to fuck to run your company or who you get to hire.

Right. I think this is one of the biggest problems that we have in our country, dude, is that we don't have a voting system that represents the people who are actually producing or people who are actually just trying. Like in my opinion, dude, I believe that you should be able to vote if you are paying taxes and you can prove that you're paying taxes, you're working and you're paying taxes. I believe that's the determining factor on a vote. And that you're paying taxes. You're working and you're paying taxes. I believe that's the determining factor on a vote. And if you're 15 years old and you're paying taxes,

they should get a fucking vote. That's what I think. Now people are going to run and make a fucking clip. Andy, for solid things, 15-year-olds should vote. Well, I would rather take a 15-year-old voting who's paying taxes, who's actually out trying to become something than a 30 year old who sits on their fat fucking asses and figures out how they can vote all the fucking success away from people actually producing super glues our hands to fucking

starbucks look and i like after this podcast like that i mean i'm gonna get eaten alive as dumb he's he's he's he's the simplest right i got you but i go back to it oh they're just gonna say we're best friends if we talk if we if we talk that shit about me every day if we taught people core values yeah more motherfuckers would be paying taxes because they more motherfuckers be working that's right so again like i hear you and yeah yeah the problem i got you like the problems the big problems out here the system the system's Dakota the solution is simple you're not fucking off the system is fucked right but again it doesn't matter who's voting if they're gonna

fucking rig it anyways right so it doesn't it comes back home it comes back home and the thing is is we can keep talking about all the problems with the system again, but let's talk about, I will tell you this. We, we agreed on this. Most people, do you believe that most people in the United States of America are good and

want to do good? Yeah. Most. Yes. Most like 95%. I would say it's at least 90%. 90%? Yeah.

Okay, so 90%? I think if you went on the street, nine out of 10 people, you could probably find some real common ground with through a little bit of conversation. I'll tell you this. I think that people, I think that a lot of people don't know

that the reason they don't do good, that the reason the 90% aren't doing good is because they don't know how. Well, I think they've also lived in a country where we have propaganda nonstop that is continuously trying to provide a message that people, even if they knew how they couldn't do, you see? So like- We found out a way to do it yeah i know but we also come from a little bit different time you know it was a little bit different for like you're at the younger edge of it but for me like i was always told growing up by my teachers and by people who

like i was encouraged i was i had a few shitbag teachers who told me i couldn't do shit. But I also feel like nowadays, with some of the social movements that we have happening in the world, when we look at, let's just say, the body positivity movement, the body positivity movement has been hijacked. So instead of saying, hey, you don't have to be perfect, which is true, you've just got to work hard and work to be better. Now it's celebrated for people to be 400 pounds and say that that's healthy. That's not true. You've just got to work hard and work to be better. Now it's celebrated for people to be 400 pounds and say that that's healthy. That's not true. I would argue the exact opposite with you of that. You of anybody in this room have more freedom financially. You've, you've done it. Yeah. You have more of a reason to fall fall off to drop the sword than any of us

like what do you mean but because like i mean you could fall into investing and drunk and and partying and and living not the hard lifestyle i mean you you but i couldn't though well but here's why but i hear you i couldn't and let me tell you why but I couldn't though. Well, but here's why, but I hear you. I couldn't. And let me tell you why. Cause I don't have any special skills, bro. People think I do. They think I'm fucking like that. I like, look, I have to work really fucking hard to be me. Like for me to do what I do, it's really fucking hard, but you don't, you wouldn't. But after you, after you built this thing, you could surround yourself with a bunch of fucking people who just say you're the greatest ever that feed into your bullshit who, Oh, you know, Andy, like I couldn't imagine how hard it is to run this company, man.

Like, man, let's just go grab a beer, man. Like, I mean, you could, you could literally surround yourself with those people, man. Like having you, you've made enough, right? Like fuck, fuck the rest of it. Right. Who gives a fuck about your people out here, man? Like they owe you, you gave them it, right? Who gives a fuck about your people out here, man? Like they owe you, you gave them this, right? Like you could, like, if anything, you are more susceptible to falling into that bullshit than the rest of us. And, and, and like, and getting comfortable and complacent

and you haven't, and you haven't, and I'll tell you what it comes down to. It's the motherfuckers you surround yourself with, right? Like the most important thing other than you being the example in life, the next piece of it is, is the motherfuckers you surround yourself with, right? And I don't believe in judging, right? I think judging is like where I sit on. It's a, I'm going to sit back here and not look at my place, but I'm going to look at you and judge how you do things. But I do believe in constantly evaluating things, right? Measuring up, right? We all have to constantly measure up on each other. And it's like, Hey man, like, Oh, you're better than me. Well, I'm looking at you and seeing how the fuck you're better than me. Cause I want to figure out how to do that. Right. And I'm going

to try to ask you questions and learn how to be about you. Right. And then like, we're always growing and bouncing off each other. Right. And at the point that you don't like that, you start dragging me down. You're an anchor. Cut that fucking anchor. Right. You have to. Who's next. Right.

Like we all keep moving up. All those people that you described. I lost those people years ago. Yeah. Yeah. But I couldn't have gotten here with that. But you couldn't have. Yeah.

But it's easy. But you know damn well that you got people like coming in and now trying to lock their anchor into you oh yeah secret like right do you think i fucking stay at home all the time well well exactly exactly but but i can't trust anybody bro like you yeah you can trust people that's the thing people don't believe people think that's bullshit like people when you when people start knowing you're doing something you you start to attract all those people. Like you don't attract, like what people don't understand is like,

it's not the greatest people in the world that are coming to be a part of your party. Like these are people who want something from you. And I realized that over the course of making some mistakes in my life that like, it's just better for me to hang out at home. Yeah. You know,

I a hundred percent agree. But, but my point being is, life that like it's just better for me to hang out at home yeah you know i 100% agree with you but but my point being is is that like yeah all these people are capable i do believe in good i i i will i will go look the place is fucked right like the our government's fucked right wouldn't you like to see it unfucked? Because I would. But as much as we want, like, the government ran by, I'm about to throw some deep on you, right? The government, it's we the people. When we the people suck.

The government's going to suck. The government's going to fucking suck, right? We want it to be about us, but we suck. We're bitching about our government, right? So it's like. Well, that becomes the chicken or the egg argument. Well, what is the government founded? What is everything about this idea of democracy founded on?

We, the people. And we want it to stay that way, right? My constitutional rights founded on we the people and we want to stay that way right my constitutional rights we the people well when we the people suck and we wonder why our country sucks well because we the people suck yeah right i always laugh which means and why do we suck it's because uh you suck or i suck 100 right and so Right. And so again, you know, I look at, I talked, you know, Marines, I talked to Marines all the time. Marines are like, Oh, you know, the Marine Corps sucks today. I go, well, the Marine Corps, like the Marine Corps is, is just a name. You know what the Marine Corps is made up of Marines. Well, America is just a fucking name. You know what America is made up of? Americans.

So if America sucks and you're bitching and calling and saying America fucking sucks, go look in the fucking mirror. Right. And that's the hard truth of it. And I can tell you, not one motherfucker has the power to over override the rest of us. You know, I hear, I hear all this and I hear the, well, you know, the, the riots in the city, all this, I mean, all of it. Right. And it's like, you know, well, the next time or when it comes up, you know, it's all going to be all right. Right. We're all going to be okay. We all know, we all know that, that shit only flies as much as we let it fly. And it's only going to fly as much as we let it fly. Do I think that there's going to be- Don't we just all agree then to quit letting

the shit fly? Cause that would be nice. Well, you, you a hundred percent, but can we all agree that, that being fat isn't healthy? Yeah, I agree. Okay. Well, we all do. But that doesn't mean once you, so when you stop, the problem is when you stop blaming everybody else, it means that you have to take responsibility. And once you take responsibility, it means that you now have to do something to fix it now that you can do something to fix it and you can't bitch about everybody else. So that's why I go back to it. They're never going to do something that's going to fucking affect. All COVID did was give you the like all it did was give. People who already wanted an excuse, the justification for their fucking excuse.

Oh, I don't want to go to work. Well, now I got a reason not to, and I can blame this. Oh, I, I, I don't want to make good decisions. Oh, now I got a reason to blame this. Oh, I, I want to, to, to fuck with somebody's life who is healthy. Well, now I got a reason. Cause they don't wear a fucking mask. Right? Like, like again, COVID was just the, was just the, the justification for your fucking week. Excuse.

Right? Like, I believe it was an intentional weapon or division. Intentional. It was. Yeah. It was. And bro,

people are having a hard time getting over it. Like I see a lot of the people who were like with the narrative, right? Like they love Fauci and shit. And they realize now like, oh, this is not, uh, you know, exactly what I thought it was. Right. But still I'm glad I did what I did. And those people, those people can't understand why people who didn't go with the narrative will not forgive them. And then like then like dude like my one of my my fucking best friend had to watch his fucking dad die on a fucking zoom call you know what i'm saying like people don't forget that shit bro and that became that came from you

motherfuckers that forced your fucking shit on everybody you know like people are not going to forget and it was crimes against humanity. What happened? 100%. Yeah. I mean, I got you. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying like, I got, you know, like it was such a fucking real thing that I don't really see. I don't know.

I don't see the forgiveness in people with it because there were some serious consequences. People lost their job. Bro, I got threatened by the government, by the fucking government, with a fine of $700,000 per employee. I have 450 fucking employees. Okay? I got threatened that I either was going to have to have them vaccinated or I had to pay that fine. You know what I did? I fucking had them do shit.

Yeah, told them to fuck themselves. Yeah, that's right. So I hear you on it i'm just saying like there's a lot of serious shit bro it did it's like how do you get past that and the it's my solution to that is that we have to identify the people who organized it we have to identify the people who fucking perpetrated it as a crime because dude i see the the people like the people who harass that the people who harass the people who actually ended up being right i actually see them as victims of propaganda

and and a psychological fucking marketing operation yeah it was marketing it was it was a like it was a marketing uh of a virus but but dude what i'm saying is is like the heart the the people like these people who fell for it they they cannot understand why the other people are still so pissed and like dude there has to be some understanding there of what the fuck y'all did like you you were the ones that called everybody grandma killers you're the ones that screamed at people in stores you're the ones that cheered as people lost their fucking businesses. And like, bro, those people should be apologizing and saying, you know what? I got fucking played so that we can unite and fucking go against the people who actually

did it. You're 100% right. You're 100% right. You're 100% right. But I'm telling you, man, like we can either focus on what other motherfuckers should be doing to us yeah or we can focus on we better get our shit together well bro i got my shit together i'm just saying i'm not saying i'm rising above i got my shit together now i'm focusing on their fucking shit well fuck them dude fuck them right fuck them right i agree we agree like i hear i hear you

i mean like i mean my command should come back and fucking apologize to me they should like you know what you you george w bush should come back and apologize for sending us to fucking iraq in afghanistan right on a fucking lie on a fucking lie right i mean you know which by the way cheney cheney should fucking cheney should go to fucking jail for all the millions he made off fucking, you know, I mean, here's a perfect example. I was a pro when Bush was going to war, bro, I was beating a war drum as hard as anybody. I was like, fuck yeah, let's fucking get these motherfuckers like everybody else was. And you know, now I look back and I'm like, fuck, that was really fucking stupid. Yeah. That was really fucking stupid.

And like, dude, so I can admit that that was stupid of me and I was wrong and that I fucking got played by the fucking bullshit. Well, for some reason, these COVIDiots can't fucking admit it. And like, dude, it's causing more and more and more tension. And that tension will eventually erupt. It will. Yeah. It will.

As long as we're not on to the next one by then. And that's the problem. That's the problem because it was an effective social division and because people can't fucking come together, they're going to continue to propagate these division tactics. The next, dude,

we will have another pandemic before 24. I fucking guarantee it. Like a medical pandemic? Yeah. They will put one out. Oh, no, no. They're already setting up for it. They're trying all the time, right?

They came out with a fungus or a mold thing that now they're worried about. They're talking about that's spreading that has a 60% kill rate. I mean, of course, all the people who made the vaccine, they're talking about that's spreading that has a 60 kill rate i mean they're talking i mean of course like you know they they all the people who made the vaccine they're all sitting here saying they're standing by yeah ready for the next one right i mean of course they're going to come at it yeah well of course they're ready for the next one because those are the fucking people that put it out yeah how much money did bill gates make how much money the pharma companies make bro huge huge everybody else's got fucking destroyed but can but can i say can i i go back to my whole theory though bro listen when people are i agree with you 100 all i'm saying is i fucking have a intense hatred for the people

that organize this shit and fuck with our country like and it is fucking intense bro like to me and i agree with you, everything that you say, it's personal responsibility, personal excellence, removing ourselves, unplugging ourselves from their system in every possible way. That is the solution. 100% along with helping your neighbor also do the same. Okay. That's the solution. No doubt. But bro, in my mind, there needs to be fucking serious accountability for what the fuck was happening. Because dude, we can't leave, like you and I as grown men, we can't fucking let this

happen another 20 or 30 or 40 years from now. Like these people, in my opinion, should be made such an example of that people never fucking forget it over the course of history and that that that might sound harsh but that's reality dude like when vlad the impaler fucking impaled everybody and put their fucking heads on stakes guess what motherfuckers didn't do they didn't fuck with them anymore yeah right and like dude we as the people have allowed these people to continuously continuously oppress us fuck with us divide us stress us turn us against our neighbor turn us against our neighbor because they have a different skin color or they like to have sex with a different yeah somebody that you met like bro

this is insane shit it's insane shit, dude, we don't deserve that. Like we're you and I, you're never getting the 13 years of your life back that you've had to live with that fucking burden that you just shared on the show. You're not getting it back, bro. You're right. And you won't get back any of that time after that. We, we, the regular people, the citizens, okay. Civilians, so to speak.

We're not getting the three fucking years back, bro. The three years where we've been at each other's throats, the three years where we've been fucking constantly fighting, the three years where there's been hardship after hardship after hardship after hardship intentionally introduced to create us more division and more hardship so that they can remain in power yeah and like bro like we need a true fucking turnover of power however you want to call it that to where our government is represented by actual fucking americans again and here's what and here's where here's where i go with it you're right you're right if i stay angry if stay, I see it. If I stay angry, if I stay angry, I get it, dude.

If I stay angry, you know, the only thing that's worse than, than it fucking like, look, it took me all the way up to probably 2016. Remember when those motherfuckers were laughing at you? Yeah. How mad were you?

So, so mad. But let me say this. And I'm justified to be pissed, just like you are. Like, I'm just- That's how I feel. I feel like there's fucking laughing at us. But let me throw this back at you.

Let me throw this back at you. You're right. You're not going to get those three years back. But you know what would suck even more is if you stayed pissed off and nothing changed and nobody got held accountable for another fucking three. And then you wasted another three being pissed off. And instead, what I do is what I can control. And just like you're doing.

Like, turn that into fuel. Now we have, we've seen something that most motherfuckers haven't. And you've seen it from a perspective that even people who went through it with you haven't seen it as, right? You've seen that you prevail by standing up against it, right? You've seen that you can get through it and it, right? You've seen that you can get through it and they won't do shit to you at the end of the day. And you still took care of people, right? You've seen that side of it. Now you have an obligation. You can either stay pissed

off about it and want to go after justice, right? Which is deserved. I think for where I'm at, brother, like real talk, I think for where i'm at with my platform i have a responsibility to remain pissed off about it personally so you as long as that pissed off fuels good always prevails evil prevails evil like i don't care you could take and you could put every one of those motherfuckers in jail well i ain't talking about jail okay okay you could yeah okay period listen you could go kill every one of those motherfuckers you could you could eradicate them from the earth every everybody let's say everybody who was responsible for that you could eradicate them and i'll tell you this there would be a fuck ton of motherfuckers with the next one that are trying to get rid of them

as well to get their of them as well to get their own plan out there to replace them and the only way you fix it is if you go and you solidify good fix culture you got to fix the culture so i hear you we can go get justice and fucking hold accountability and all this on the bad side of it and it's again man you're being me today this is usually what i say it's again what i say is usually what i say is we don't need violence because even if we went and fucking killed him today what about tomorrow bro what about the next day like it's kind of like it's a cultural revolution it really is you've got to you you have got to um you've got to fix the problem by educating and pushing good and pushing what's right and and and

and you have like i got it we can prepare we can prepare to be ready for whatever but like we have an obligation to because we've seen it this way to go out and out market the side of wrong yeah right and and again like the only way that that frustration and stuff makes sense because it's only at the expense of you. I promise you

they're not sitting up there fucking worried about you coming to get them. They're not sitting up there worried about justice. Like again, they're up there. Like nobody.

They're fucking laughing. They're laughing. So again, again, if you want to fix it, you want to fix it, we got to go back to the base anybody can point out the problem most people can well most of us can right but like we've got like and so so how do i fix this

right like like no dude you're you're telling i mean listen bro it you're you're you're not wrong you're a hundred percent like i'm pissed off too, I go through like, I'm pissed off at, at all kinds of shit. Right. I'm pissed off. Do I, I don't, but I don't deserve shit. I'm, I might be worthy of more, but I get what I deserve. Right. And, and, and, and look, and I truly believe that like, look, I mean, you look at, look at the way that the hardest fucking steel in the face that's made it ain't by fucking like a good life and an easy life and hey i put you where you know we set this steel where it's real fucking comfortable in this nice spot and we we only tap it and we we rub it with something really soft right no it's thrown into hot mold molten lava and then beat the shit out beating the fuck out of it right so if you want to be steel and you want to be fucking hard yeah then then get get used to it right yeah but but

again like man i think also to be happy dude i think i think i think if you're constantly looking for easiness and comfort yeah and no anxiety and no stress you're going to always be disappointed and i think that like or you're going to always be disappointed. And I think that like, Or you're going to be those guys we were talking about in Whole Foods. Yeah. But bro, those people, those people feel a different kind of anxiety and stress. Oh, a hundred. So, so like, I truly believe that one of the keys to being happy and in real life is accepting that life is going to have its challenges and be hard no matter what path you choose. If we choose to be

someone like us who goes out every day and works hard and tries to do the best that we can, we're going to have our own challenges. If we choose to be the fucking fat fuck who rides the cart around Walmart and eats 17,000 calories for fucking lunch every day and then complains that they're big boned, right? It's genetics. They're going to have their own sets of fucking worries and challenges and hardships. And I think life truly is about deciding which ones we're going to work with and, and understanding that it's, it's coming either way because dude, every time I've ever gotten myself in the mindset of like the, I deserve some sort of, cause like, bro, I fucking work really fucking hard. And like I said earlier, and this is true story. Like there's no superpowers

with me. There might be for some of these other motherfuckers, but they're sure as fuck ain't with me. All the shit that people see me do living on the live hard program where, you know, going out in the snow and doing shit like, bro, I do that shit to keep me sharps because that's the skills it takes to do what i do yeah it's not because like if i was a bad motherfucker i wouldn't have to do that shit like the truth is i have to work really hard just to be functional at what i do and so sometimes i've been in the position where i'm like fuck dude you know i work hard dude i deserve some easiness like i deserve some strength i deserve some what the. Like I deserve some stress. I deserve some, what the, can I not

get fucking a week? Can I get a fucking day? But the truth is, is I can't because I chose a path that doesn't offer that. And when I accept, when I accept that, because it goes back and forth, like sometimes I accept it and I'm fucking comfortable. But when I don't, like last time we talked on the phone for a couple hours, that I was still at a point, I was at a point at that time where I was feeling sorry for myself, like I'm explaining now, where I'm like, fuck, dude, I fucking do. But imagine if I had fed into that.

But that makes it way worse. But imagine if I had fed into it, I'd be like, yeah, you're fucking right. Like, fuck yeah, man. But imagine if I fed into it, right? And that's where we have an obligation. Like, we have an obligation to remind the greater good and to remind that we all, like, that it's going to be fine. We have an obligation to lead people.

Because again, like, if you get everybody, if you say, fuck it, you know what? Everybody should be preparing for a civil war. Well, they're not focused on each pushing each other and building each other up. Yeah. They're panicking. They're panicking. Right. And we're, we're driving, we're feeding into their bullshit. Right. I refuse to do it. I refuse to do it. If there's a war I'm ready for it. Right. If I need to fight, if I need to fight, and here's what I'll tell you, I don't care. You know, you, you get into religion or whatever you want,

but I'll take the story from the Bible that everybody should know. Jesus Christ, the most perfect man that's ever been wrote about that walked the face of the planet, whether you believe him or not, period. It's a story. He literally spent his whole existence on earth doing good for others, trying to teach people the way to the best life afterlife that there is. He was told that he wasn't real, called a liar, told he wasn't true. And then, and then he was sat down, ate a meal with people and they made him carry his own cross up and they fucking killed him for the same people he was trying to save and give a path to heaven. So I don't care how perfect you are, how right you are. I don't care how good you are, how much good you do, are how much good you do how much money you donate how many people you fucking help shit's still gonna be hard shit's still gonna be fucking hard

people are still gonna say you're not fucking real people are still gonna look at you and they're going to criticize you and then people are still gonna say that you're you're still fucking they're gonna call you a fucking liar all the way down to the point to where if they get a fucking chance they'll kill you bro you, you know what's crazy too? That's such a good message, bro. Like such a good fucking message. And it's so true. What's crazy about it is that when you really, that's why it's so hard to live Jesus' example. Because when you try to live it, that you face persecution. When you try to live it that you face persecution when you try to live a high standard life because none of us are going to be perfect it's not reality but when you try to hold a high standard for yourself people are always going to want to tear it down because they're not willing

to hold a high standard for themselves yeah you know what so instead of instead of them raising themselves to that standard because it's hard they will will tear you the fuck down. So what we have to do is we have to stop reacting to it and we can respond to it. I have this game I play and I learned it off one of my friends, so I can't take credit for it. But I try to walk into every room and I try to like people who already have an opinion on me. And I try to be, um, it, it, like, I, I, whatever they think I am or what I'm going to say, I try to be the exact opposite of that. Right. Still based on my principles. So again, like my principles aren't going to, to vary, but how I disperse and how I communicate in that room, I want people to listen. I want people to hear it.

I want people to see my... I don't care what you do. I don't have to focus on this. I can always focus on the side of positive. I can always focus on the side of getting my message in, whether it's by leading, by example, by listening to you and trying to help you. Like, again, like there's a way to do this with everybody. And it's all about like how we, um, represent ourself or how we, how we talk at this. Right. So I say that, like, look, I, I try to not react to people cause that's what they want. And it's like, Oh, well see that that's it. That's what I was talking about. There's yeah. See, they're not, they suck. Right. And I try to just be authentic and real. And I try to just respond to people. And I try to be, the way I look at it is, is I just want to be the best that I can be for you. Right. Like I want to be the best that I can for you, whatever you need me to be. I'm going to be the best that I can in

that moment. Right. And I'm going to try to give you the best advice, the best, but again, like that's all I can do. And then you have your own personal responsibility to go fucking do it. Right. Yeah. And, and, and so like, that's what I try to do. Right. It's no different than, than when I, you know, as a firefighter, right. Like I, I show up to calls that aren't an emergency to me, but fuck man, like they're an emergency to them. Right. Like, and, and, and that's the, the the this level of empathy and i'll say this you can only be as effective in life as you can be empathetic towards people well yeah because the care that you have is going to drive the action when people can they can see through if you care not right right like the reason you're so effective here is these motherfuckers

know you're real and they know you care about them and like like that's why right like it the secret sauce is that you got a fucking heart and your empathy and your care for people is is authentic and it's not driven by money it's driven like it's driven by real purpose and and and all that and so like shit dude if it was money i'd be on here talking about making money well 100, a hundred percent, right? And so what tells me that people still want that, look, most people are followers. That's the reality of life, right? Most people are followers.

They want to be told what to do, right? Like they want to follow something they can believe in that's bigger than them, right? I mean, look at everything. That's what it is. What tells me that America is still okay is are you still making money? Well, yeah. Okay. Well, guess what? You're doing it based off of trying to do good for others. Yeah. And the fact that you're still as successful and I walked through this fucking empire and I see this thing turning every day and I see the employees and I see the habits that are pushed through this place and the principles that your principles are

through every aspect of this place. It tells me that it can be done. The question isn't about can it be done or how it's done. It's time to fucking scale, Andy. Yeah. It's time to scale. Right. And you can't scale when you're focused on the problem. It's like, bro, you're the solution. This is the solution. How do we scale this across America? How do we scale this? People, people believe like, man, you've changed so many people's lives that you don't even know with a program called 75 heart. I mean, again, like, like look at all the people out there following that. So when you think and you wonder, you wonder, can it be done and can it be changed? A hundred percent. It can a hundred percent. Yeah. I don't, I, you know, I appreciate all that,

dude. I don't, i don't disagree with you man but we got to have someone we got to have people that understand like that this it's what you said dude if america sucks well what's america full of it's full of americans well that means the americans suck and if we don't get people that understand that and want to change that it doesn't matter what kind of movement you build. Is America suckers or America weak? I think America's ready for something different. That's what I believe.

I agree. I think we've been comfortable. I think the reason these people have gotten as far as they've gotten, it has everything to do with everybody else out there trying to progress their own lives and not paying attention over here it's kind of like it's been cush yeah bro and it's been good for a long time here first world problems right first world problems right when you when you live long enough where time is too good that allows people who aren't necessarily uh like-minded to work their way into positions

of authority and power which is what we're ended up dealing with now. Like what we're dealing with now was created not over COVID. It was created over the 12 years before that where we came out of the other recession and things got good. That's where it was created. You're 100% right. Yeah. And then by allowing them consistently to, because dude, most people don't look over there. They're like way too busy building, especially here on this show. Like a lot of you guys, when I was doing MFCEO project what's going on in society, this is the equivalent of us not having the actual environment required to win personally.

So where my concern comes from is that, yes, we do have the freedom, and I agree with you a million percent, to raise standards and to be better people. That's the fucking key right now. However, if we don't take an interest also in understanding what how we got here and what's happened over here and how to implement that into society how to change these things and fix these things and how this this these problems are our responsibility the environment can get toxic just like a fish tank will get dirty, right? Like if you don't clean the fish tank, what happens to the fish?

They don't fucking thrive, bro. And it doesn't matter how hard they swim and it doesn't matter how well they navigate the waters. You know what I'm saying? And so I agree with the solution to the problem is personal excellence. It is raising a standard. It is holding ourselves to a higher standard,

but we also have to pay attention to the legit environment that's being created right now. And, and I agree with you. I think when it comes, push comes to shove, these people are not going to get their way. And I,

they're not, and they, they know that like they're, they're like, they, again, they're not in and and like if we were australia or we were a country like look we we are the and i got you they they took away our free like but we are the freest country yeah on the planet so by a long shot by a long shot like you listen as soon as they start trying to fucking go after that like as soon as i i got they trying i got i got

their tiptoeing in the water bro they've been going after it for a hundred years but it ain't stuck yeah it ain't stuck it ain't stuck and it's not gonna fucking stick right as the british saying like we're not really that free like we say we're the freest country that's if everybody's if everybody's a fucking turtle and you're the fastest turtle that's not exactly fast like yeah we're the freest country but we pay most of our income to our government yeah now again that's a whole that's by definition that's not free that's a whole other ball game right taxes right go on another three hours yeah i mean that's part two guys come back to part two i mean i got you i got you the federal government right like that's a

whole other thing right i hear you yeah but but at the end of the day let me ask you this what other country would you rather live in i don't know i was just in mexico it's pretty cool you know the lease ain't that bad yeah tuscany's looking pretty nice you know sure look just looking fucking nicer in st louis right now man it's rare white and bud light all day long yeah look dude i want to get back to that i want to get back to kid rock america where we kick ass take names punch people in the dicks oh yeah yeah because they still have them that's right well listen bro yeah no i appreciate you having me yeah listen dude uh real talk man um thanks

for sharing that story that you shared uh that was that was i i'm just saying, man, I'm damn proud to be your friend. I appreciate it, man. Yeah. It means a fucking lot. Our friendship means a lot. Um, I appreciate your role like in my life and, and, uh, it's, it's very meaningful to me. We're going to change the world, man.

Yeah. I believe that. I got one goal in life. Yeah. I got one goal in life and that's, we're going to change the world. You. Yeah, I believe that. I got one goal in life. Yeah. I got one goal in life. We're going to change the world. You're one of the best humans I've ever fucking met. I appreciate that.

Like, you, people, you guys don't realize, like, when he talks about the person on the side of the road changing the tire, Dakota's the guy that stops and fucking does it. And that's something I... Not sometimes. All the time. Yeah, that's something I greatly fucking appreciate all the time yeah that's something i greatly fucking appreciate about who you are as a man so yeah man i i appreciate me i i just i believe i believe that uh at the end of the day that you know um and i i i've always believed this and

i heard it put in a good a good sentence the other day but you know if you have the ability to do good you should do good. Yeah. Well, that's a great message right there, bro. Thanks for making that trip in, dude. Man, I appreciate you having me. I'm going to start coming out here more often. Yeah, I'd like that. I got to get around good motherfuckers. Yeah, likewise, bro.

Real motherfuckers. I want to come see the kangaroos. Come on with it. You know this motherfucker got kangaroos, right? I got kangaroos. You do? Me and Brandon have a kangaroo farm. Shut the fuck up.

We do. What are you doing with it? We do. So we have four kangaroos, and so we're breeding them. All right. That's his first line of defense, his fucking kangaroo, bro. Imagine trying to break in a fucking, and you get fucking kicked in the face. Kicked by a kangaroo.

The fucking things are massive, man. Let's get you. I love it. Well, bro bro it means a lot man i appreciate having on your show and uh and uh thanks again for everything thanks man appreciate you yeah went from sleeping on the floor now my jewelry box froze fuck a bowl fuck a stove counted millions in the cold bad bitch booted swole got her own bankroll, can't fold That's a no-hit shot, case closed