REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 5. When Does Technology Go Too Far In Business And Life?

Episode Date: February 25, 2020

Let's be real: the rise in technology might be good for efficiency ... but how does automation & artificial intelligence negatively affect us humans, including those crazy fucks who want to dress up as animals & comic book characters? Also on this episode: Sal imagines himself as a panda, Vaughn hits 69 in his mini-van ... and my dad & I debunk myths about success.

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I only weigh 180, but my watch cost 250. What's up, guys? This is Andy Purcell, and this is the show for the realists. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of modern society, and welcome to motherfucking reality. Today, we have an awesome show for you guys. I'm joined by three other humans and then three other additional humans that don't have microphones and we're all sitting in the room and we're talking about

random shit and that's what we're going to do today. As always, I'm joined by my host, my co-host, fuck I think you just got a raise. I think I did. Holy shit. Yeah. Vaughn, the pastor of disaster. DJ, DJ God. Vaughn. Vaughn Jovi.

Vaughn Diesel. Minister of Mayhem. The Minister of Mayhem. What else? Vaughn Jovi? Vaughn Jovi. Oh, Vaughn Jovi? Vaughn Vaughn Jovi. John Vaughn Jovi. Oh, Bon Jovi? Bon Bon Jovi.

John Bon Jovi. I thought you were more of like an NWA guy. Von Halen. What about... Von Halen. What about... Ah, fuck it. I don't know.

Anyway, dude. You were speaking about random feces. I was thinking of certain things on the way here, you know, as my drive always provokes deep thoughts. Why... I'm going to blow your mind with this question. Certain things on the way here, you know, as my drive always provokes deep thoughts. Why? I'm going to blow your mind with this question. I'm sure. I'm waiting. Before we get into this mind-blowing situation that we're about to get into,

we also have in the third seat, Sal. There's no cool nicknames for Sal. And then we got Big Jim. There is one, but we can't say it on the air. Oh, really? What is it? Well, you know. Oh, yeah. The one you had when you were a kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, shit. It's offensive now. Wait, wait. You can't say... Oh, I see. I was going to say... Listen, I'm not politically correct. I'm 75. Can I say it? No. Okay. Dude, look, man. His life speaks for itself. I mean, make it up. What are you going to do?

So anyway, look, here we are. Four dudes, and we're going to talk about some shit. Yes. What's going on, dude, anyway? I haven't seen you in a long time. I know, it's been a while. I haven't seen you in a whole year. It's this last year.

Oh, I know. It's since 2019. No, when I drive to and from Kansas, I have these deep thoughts that go through my mind because I'm driving on the open plain and then I cross into Missouri where all the really smutty billboards are and everything like that. But it makes me think. So here's the question. The heathens in Missouri versus the holies in Kansas?

Exactly. So how do we decide? I'm happy where we are. That's Vaughn's way of politely saying he's better than us. Oh, I know. I got it. I got to take what I can get but no but are you ready here's my question this is the deep thought that was going through my mind why did we decide to make road signs green I'm sure there's a reason it probably has to do with them being reflective I bet you think so yeah I mean does it have to do

with color psychology that's your deep thought well your deep thought? Well, don't we have- I have other deep thoughts. Don't we have fact checkers here on the show that are supposed to look this shit up? Google that shit. Let's find out. In some states, they're blue, just so you're aware. You're not world- No, I think some states-

You don't have enough highway time. I don't think they are blue. I think some of them are blue, but I think most, the ones on the side that mark the miles are always green. I think Medot wants them to be red. I don't know. Because he's a commie. There's blue.

Right? There are blue. I'm pretty sure about this. I got a lot of highway miles. Well, some of them are blue, but not all of them. I was curious. When you're driving 61 miles an hour, this is the rebel you are. How can you even see those signs?

Well, it's hard because driving the Honda, it's hard, man. It's hard to go under 100 before we went on air we were asking von how long it took him he's like with my family it takes me five hours but if i'm by myself i can knock it down in four and a half what do you do with all that 61 in your gas pedal he came here last week and he fucking walks in here he's smiling real big it's just me and him like dude what what and he's like i got here in four hours i know dude he was so fucking proud now i gotta see if i can do it with that big race if i could do that with the minivan with that big right you can do it you know what's funny do you know what's funny how how much of the drive

percentage wise is missouri versus how long you're in kansas would you say like 70 percent missouri it's probably 80 20 uh no it was two hours of Kansas and three hours of Missouri. Okay. So I don't know what that breaks out into. Like, on one way. Yeah. Alright, so three out of five? Yeah. Okay. And you just made that joke about Missouri and like all the state troopers listen to this show. I know, that's

true. That was really fucking stupid, bro. I think people deep down know that I got a lot of love from Missouri. Oh, he's fucking back. You gotta admit. Come on, you gotta admit, he's fucking backpedaling. You got to admit. Just a little bit of a new name. Come on. It's Vaughn Armstrong. Yeah.

You got to admit that the stretch between Kansas City and St. Louis on I-70 is just, it's ugly. Really? I don't think so, dude. There's all sorts of billboards. I think Missouri's one. Every other billboard's either a porn store or vaping. And? What's wrong with the first one?

Right, right, right. Vaughn, did you tell your wife that you saw those porn star things on the side? I didn't confess that. Do you tell her? Well, that's why I took him four and a half hours this time. Oh, yeah, that's right. He made a stop. What is this glory hole thing they talk about?

Oh, my gosh. Anyway, what are we talking about today? What's going on? Well, a lot of good, really deep, deep, life-changing stuff. Like, first of all, you have often told me that one of your favorite movies is Wolf of Wall Street, correct? Oh, yeah. Okay, so what's the name of the actress in that? Margot Robbie.

Okay, so Margot Robbie is in a new movie where she basically plays... So the movie is a fictionalized version of the story of Fox News, where I think Roger Ailes, who was the guy that started Fox News, didn't he get in trouble, I think, for sexual harassment or something like that? Anyway, the movie that's coming out, it's bombshell. It stars Margot Robbie, and it's also got Charlize Theron, I believe. That sounds cool. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, so far, so good, right? So it tells the story of this young girl who's basically an intern. She's from this conservative Christian family, and it kind of tells the story of how she got to start working for this fictionalized version of Fox News. It's just the unfolding story of all the drama that occurred there. But what Margot Robbie did in preparation for this movie I thought was really interesting. She created a fake Twitter account, and basically she just infiltrated and participated in this subculture on Twitter,

what she called the evangelical or the Christian, how did she put it? It was the conservative commentator, you know, kind of the Fox News type of people. So my question for you is, the first thing, does anybody here have a fake social media account? No. No?

Dude, I got too much shit to do to fuck with that. Okay, so if somebody paid you, yeah, so what do you use it for, Madat? Testing social media posts. Oh. Testing social media posts. Okay, so testing social media so testing social media no one's got like a voyeur account okay right okay so but if somebody paid you a billion dollars literally to create a fake twitter account and just become part of a subculture that you find interesting you said billion yeah a billion oh you stopped there yes what are you asking?

But so if somebody paid you to infiltrate a subculture in America, just anything. Could be the crazy socialists of America. Could be, I don't know, people who are really into dogs. What subculture would you infiltrate? Choose? Yeah. So you got to choose a bad one or a good one? One that just interested you.

For a billion? You didn't necessarily like them or agree with them. I would do that just for like a weekend fucking project, bro. You joined the CIA. You would drive here for a hundred grand every day. You're going to pay me for this? Okay. So who would it be?

Fuck. I actually, the one thing that I appreciate about like life in general is I think they're all interesting. I don't know that I could choose one. I'd want to go figure out. I mean. I kind of do that anyway, man. Like I kind they're all interesting. I don't know that I could choose one. I'd want to go figure out. I mean, I kind of do that anyway, man.

Like I kind of get in on groups of friends. This is how I try to like learn, you know, like I, I look at what other people say and I try to understand why they're saying it and how, cause like a lot of stuff we read, we're automatically like,

how the fuck could you like, dude, when I was younger, I was like this dude this person's a fucking moron how the fuck could you believe that but as i got older i started to say to myself well there has to be like reasons that they believe this right so then i try i would i what i try to do and this is a cool thing about the internet that really nobody yet discusses but you know i try to go in and uh and kind of see where these beliefs are coming from and why they feel that way

and uh i will say nine i've never like swapped my beliefs because of it right but uh you know it starts to i guess it kind of makes you less mad if you could try to understand where people you know what i'm saying yeah like there's less frustration so like I used to be really like a lot of these motherfuckers online with their fucking pitchforks and their torches trying to get everybody I used to kind of be like that right like if you weren't on my team fuck you and that's it and I don't really feel that way anymore I feel like there's a lot of different ways to see shit. I do think I see shit in a pretty fucking accurate way. And my life reflects that I see shit in an accurate way by society's standard, right?

Yeah. So, but I still try to understand where people are coming from. And I think if everybody did that, dude, it would be a lot fucking more pleasant place to live yeah well i think it comes from ignorance right i mean ignorance is a you speak from ignorance it puts you in a it puts you in a bad spot so you how do you combat ignorance you have to have understanding and you have to put yourself in their shoes and understand i mean like if you like there's still some motherfuckers that say some shit i'm like dude you're fucking way fucking wrong. And you're an idiot. And you should probably not even be on the internet.

I mean, don't get me wrong. There's just like where it used to be 100 of those people, let's just say on a scale of 1 to 100, it was like 98 of people. Now it's just like 94. How many people do you really think have fake accounts out there and are doing it? Do you know somebody or do you know someone? Honestly, that's a good question. He knows someone very intimately.

Yeah, he looks in the mirror at them every day. We just fucking named them all. No, that's a good question. What's interesting is that a lot of cultures, the subcultures in America, they're based on really serious things, like politics or morality or orientation or whatever, but there's some of them that are just based on things

that people are interested in. Would you dudes ever go to a cosplay convention? I would. A what? A cosplay. Come on. You know what cosplay is? Dude, where those people dress up as comic characters.

Oh, a furry? Not a furry. I knew you were going to go there. I got a great furry story. I knew you were going to go to the fucking furry story. I didn't know what the- Tell your furry story, and then we'll get back to cosplay.

Dude, you know what cosplay is? That's what Alex Zedra does. Gotcha. I'm on it. Where they make the costumes, and they kind of go, you know. Yeah, I mean, isn't it? I mean, I don't want to offend the cosplay people here, but isn't it basically you're just dressing up as your favorite comic book character?

Yeah, but dude, like there has to be, to me, that's one of these- There's a sexual fetish. That's one of these things, you think? That's what I'm saying. Dude, I learned this. I'm telling you. No, no, no, dude. I'm in trouble.

I for sure- Well, that, okay. They don't just go there's what I'm saying. I know, dude. I learned this. No, no, no, dude. I'm in trouble. I for sure... They don't just go there. Maybe I'm wrong. I've seen it. What are you talking... I mean, I haven't seen it, seen it, but I've seen it. I never knew this existed. Yeah, but I think first...

Wait, you're saying if I want to dress up as Spider-Man, I'm a sexual deviant? No. That's Vaughn's way of saying he dresses up like Spider-Man. You fucking told your son you're Spider-Man a week ago. Well, yeah, but I don't dress up like him. Apparently you used to. He's acting like this. He's wanting this to come out of him.

Mine is just so my son thinks I'm badass. Yeah, but Vaughn's doing it for his personal... How many little boys dress up as superheroes? That doesn't make them weird. No. You know what I'm saying? But when you're 35, you're going to a convention. That's what I'm getting to. Would you go

to a convention, a cosplay convention? I've been to one. Okay, so tell your furry story. We're in Nashville, Tennessee. I don't think furries and fucking cosplay is the same thing, bro. I don't know enough about the cosplay, but I'm going to tell you my furry story. It was interesting.

I'm pulling into Nashville, Tennessee, and I'm in a box truck okay this is those i was employee one at first form the guys that came with me it was jared um tyler jackson tyler jackson yeah will dixon yeah and uh it was they all worked for the stores and so i needed help to go run and and do this show and we pull in we got the box truck and a regular truck, you know, we pull in the parking lot and there are fucking people everywhere. And they're dressed up in costumes, like these big fucking furry hats and gloves and tails dragging across the pavement. And I'm like, what in the fuck is that? And so I get out, you know, you unpack all your, you know, you get your bags, you walk, you're walking to the thing. And we're staying at this

a pretty sizable hotel in Nashville. It's, I remember it's off rosa woods parkway but i don't know exactly what the hotel is that's how my brain is and i'm checking in and everybody you mean rosa parks rosa parks yeah that's the exit there in nashville it's rosa it's right off the highway to the right and so he's a famous person i understand so yeah sorry i'm trying to tell the story and think where i was staying so So you're checking into the hotel, and everybody around you is dressed in these fucking costumes. And I mean everybody. And you kind of like, it's almost like intimidating. You know, you're like, what?

Is there, you know, like the people behind the counter, they're dressed normally. We're in like polos and khaki shorts, and all these motherfuckers are in fucking hats and tails, and they're holding hands, and they're dancing with each other. And I remember thinking, what in the, so I get to the front desk i'm like what the fuck is like ma'am excuse me um what's going on and she's like oh it's a furry convention you know like i'm like what's a furry you know and she's like well these are they're furries this is what they do and i'm like what do you mean this is what they do well they meet up a couple times a year and they all they're in character and they go out together and they live their lives and they're a little character thing and i'm like

you're fucking kidding me right like so all weekend long you get in the elevator there's three people they're in fucking costumes then you start finding out when we come back from the show that night we go in so this is like the curiosity side of my brain i hear the furries have had a couple drinks the furries have had drinks man and then we go down the hallway and it's a you can can hear it. You know? So I walked, walked down to the ballroom and I got these kids with me and you could tell they're nervous as fuck. I'm, I don't know. You know, you should know this by now. I walked down the hallway, man. The lights are going and here they are. These people are all drinking and they're

out on that dance floor, man. And you would think every, I mean, they weren't grinding. They were fucking grinding. I mean, that dance floor was happening, man. They weren't sixth they were fucking grinding i mean that dance floor was happening man they weren't sixth grade grinding no no eighth grade grinding they were totally different they had the blood flow in the pants trying to tuck it under the belt you know what i'm saying and they were they were to the point where like the blood flows in the pants but you they weren't backing up no no no they were rubbing it on there getting closer i got you all right and yeah that's like that's like ninth grade and i remember i did i bought a beer i'll never forget i remember sitting there. I'm like, this is fucking weird.

And I kind of like it. It looks fucked up. You know what I mean? These people are fucked up, but I'm going to sit here and have fun with them. You fucking started looking around for what costume you wanted. I was sitting there thinking, all right, if I was a furry, which one would I go dance with? Dude, and this is how he would come back, too. He'd be like, hey, dude, this is what they all do.

This is what everybody's doing now. It's not like, hey, dude, this is what they all do. This is what everybody's doing now. It's not like, hey, I saw this. It was cool. He comes back. He'd be like, hey, listen, this is what all the big leaguers do. But I'll tell you, dude. Sal's going to organize the first form furry. It's going to be P-H-U-R-R-Y.

No, but this is one of those things, like, you know, like, I don't hate on it. Like, I don't think, like, they're weird, right? To me, they're weird. But, like, hey, if that's what you're into, like, I don't give a fuck. You're weird, right? To me, they're weird. But hey, if that's what you're into, I don't give a fuck. You're not hurting me. So basically, they act exactly like normal fucking humans. But with these costumes on. Yeah, I think in their head, it allows them to maybe block the insecurity of interaction.

They can be invisible. Yeah, that's the point. So point of clarification, do they just enjoy dressing up as animals? I didn't ask him that. Okay, because there are some people who actually think they were born into a human body, but they're really an animal. I'm sure there's some of those people in there, too. So if you were to become a furry, which furry would you be? That was a long time ago.

I think the weirdest thing was they had all this shit on their hands and on their feet and their tails were dragging. No, you're talking like full-on mascot costumes. Yeah, that's like their custom deal. So which one would you be? I mean, the one that seems to keep coming back in my head is the panda. Like, the panda was like... I think you would make an excellent panda. I got a body frame for a panda.

Yeah, I agree. I think a panda is a good choice for you. Vaughn wants to be a wolverine. I'd be a wolverine. You'd be a wolverine. Vaughn, you would be like a pink cat. Small but ferocious. What would you be, Dad?

I was thinking about a rabbit. What? Yeah, the fuck like a rabbit. A rabbit, youerocious. What would you be, Dad? I was thinking about a rabbit. What? Yeah, the fuck like a rabbit. A rabbit, you know. Rabbits are very fragile. Like if they get surprised, they can break it away. You know a rabbit?

So point of clarification, what's the difference between cosplay? So cosplay is a copywritten character. So typically comic books of that sense. And then furries are their original characters.

They actually make them up themselves. I could see you being like a pink colored dog or something. Salmon. Like a dog. Yeah, like a peach pinkish dog. What would I be? A bear. A bear.

I'd be a brown bear. I'd be a fucking grizzly bear. I'm telling you, man, they're spending some money on them costumes too. I would imagine a fucking mascot is not cheap. And these people, they were done up. Yeah.

Honestly, going by the cosplay, I think that'd be fun. I've never done it. But, I mean, dude, it's like some... I mean, you've got to think. Dude, come on, man. That would be fun as shit. I don't care what anybody says. I think you should ban this.

I don't hate on that side of it. That your entire company go to a cosplay convention. No, that would be fun, dude. Dude, it would be. It would be fucking more fun than like dude it would be it would be I do think it would be fucking more fun than what we do every other time

I do think though that like this is the interesting thing for all you listeners out there like the guy to your right in the cube he might be a fucking

badass furry you know he might be a weird motherfucker with a red stapler but he might be the fucking he might be the furry fucking master

you know what I'm saying he's over there hitting his PTS reports fuck yeah he's got them all man but on the weekend he's the fucking king of furries dude he is out he was the guy on the dance floor i'm telling you like they were dude they they were grinding and like right next to him one was break dancing i fucking i was just like what in the fuck dude you know what though i think you're right i think that people i think you know it kind of shows you dude how people

really are man they put like a fucking they when they when they are not afraid of judgment they actually probably are a lot happier well i know this for a fact i mean dude i'm drawing a blank on his name but you know fred bird the st louis cardinals mascot like i knew you know you know him off site yeah i forget his name it's not i don't know there's two of them but one main one and like when you met him like you go to a wedding and you would sit down and he'd be right next to you like you calm quiet didn't say hi to anybody yeah wouldn't do it he puts that fucking mascot on that dude is like on fire you know what i mean like he gets into role he understands the game and he plays it and he does great at it you know so yeah but dude don't you think we do that like don't you think i think successful people fucking do that

all day long yeah like they assume a role depending on what the context of what's going on automatically. Like, so to me, like, the whole idea of, like, what I'm saying is, is for example, like, when I do this podcast, I'm a certain version of me. You're a character. Right. When I'm, I'm not a character. I'm just a version of me. I understand. When I do MFCEO, I'm a different segment of me i understand when i do mfceo i'm a different segment of me right when i'm in a

meeting here i'm a different person and when i'm fucking hanging out with the same motherfuckers outside i'm a different person right so to me that makes sense because it's like pulling out a different tool for every job you know what i'm saying like you got swiss army knife and it's got all the tools so but I don't know that most people have that no I mean I agree I think you know it shows you that fear is a real driver you know what I'm saying yeah but I'm saying do you think most people think of themselves like they're in a role like when their mom role their mom when they're like oh yeah when they're getting dirty with dad their dirty role they should I mean yeah that's what I think too but what I what I think too.

But what I'm saying, I feel like people, the reason they can't let go of being comfortable in different situations is because they don't realize that it's okay to utilize different versions of you under different contexts of time. They're afraid of what people think of them. Well, it is interesting. Yeah, but if everybody else is doing it, no one's going to judge you. Yeah, but that's kind of the thing. like i i i think and if someone does judge you and you're doing something it doesn't hurt anybody who fucking cares that's my point is fuck off you

know what i'm saying like i i think you know when you really pull back life when you can start living life like dude if that's what you like to do it ain't cause no problems dude go do it i agree i don't judge that side of it i agree now if you start infringing on my shit you know what i mean that's a different fucking story but i get it if that's what turns you on and you're having fun i'm not even making fun of it because i i feel that way a hundred percent i find it interesting that literally anybody in society thinks that the government government or anybody should have like any like say in you know people's personal choices about like what they choose to fucking do like it doesn't make sense to me like i've never understood where like there's people out there who are not affected by other people let's say a gay couple or whatever something that they're not or vice versa right

okay i've never understood why this person over here would fucking feel like they have any right to tell these people what the fuck they can and can't do that doesn't even make sense to me like where the fuck is your ego and self-importance and like narcissism if you think you're that important that you get to fucking dictate other humans actions like it doesn't make sense now i understand we need like certain rules right like a code yeah and we need like you know a good economy but like on the social shit like why the fuck is this even talk of in the government in the first place it doesn't make sense other than providing an equal playing field, you know?

Yeah. No, that's good. Andrew, I got a question that raised my head when we were talking about this. Do you have any fear to do anything in front of people? No, not really. Do you, Sal? No, but I— And neither do I.

I don't—and I could ask at a— Well, it depends on what's expected. Like, I just feel like whatever the context is, like, no, I like. But you could do it. Yeah. Look, you would prep yourself and not have fear, but be prepared, which is different. Dude, what's the worst that's going to fucking happen? Exactly.

What's the worst that could happen? Dude, do you know how many times I've gone out in public and fucking been embarrassed? Like, so much I don't give a fuck. At all. And I think there's a fuck at all and I think there's a fine line difference to it if you like it and you're afraid to do it I think this is the struggle

the internal struggle that a lot of people have if you like it and it's not harming anybody you gotta own it and go after it otherwise you're gonna live your whole life suppressed go try it, who cares if somebody's judging you in that regard fuck off I just think people I personally feel that the lowest Go try it. Who cares if, you know what I mean? If somebody's judging you in that regard, like, fuck off. Yeah. You know?

Dude, I just think people, I think the lowest, I personally feel that the lowest people, like, if we're going to, you know, like the scum of the fucking earth people are the motherfuckers that think they can fucking tell people they can and can't do things in their private life. Right. Like, get the fuck out of here, dude. They can't do it themselves. Yeah, that's right. They need to be guided.

They need to be sheep and herded and told what to do. Well, they don't think, dude. Well, they're used to some other person taking care of them. Yeah. You were touching on something earlier, man, though I think it's worth teasing out a little bit, which is, like, I think everybody in our culture, we always talk about, oh, take off the mask

and let people see who you are. But you're saying, like, but we always talk about, oh, take off the mask and let people see who you are. But you're saying, but in different contexts, you put on, it's not a different mask, but you put on a different uniform depending on what you're doing. And I think people should feel more comfortable doing that. I think they should say, okay, so today I'm going to be the MFCO. Today I'm going to be, you know what I'm saying? No, dude, I think this is where people fuck up, okay? Like people fuck up because they don't understand context. They don't understand there's supposed to be this at work,

this at home, this with my friends. Dude, now we have situations where motherfuckers are coming to work and having, like, emotional breakdowns at work because they feel like that's the authentic thing to do. Right. Like, what the fuck, bro? Like, pull your shit together. This is your work, right? Right.

Save that shit for your friends and your fucking home and the other place. And try doing that on the battlefield and see how it works. Dude, anywhere. This is the fucking problem with society right now is that we have a bunch of motherfuckers that are seriously too fucking stupid to understand context. When you go to work, you're supposed to be a fucking certain person. When you go home,, you're supposed to be a fucking certain person. When you go home, that's a different role. When you go out in the fucking sporting event, that's a different role.

When you go in business, that's a different role. All those things make up who you are just because you're not all of those things at the fucking everything does not make you inauthentic. Right. That's what I'm saying. Absolutely absolutely i think that's why i've always appreciated like the the analogy of sport or like the locker room like to life because you know when you if you're a professional athlete in any way shape or form like the field doesn't give a fuck if you're having a bad day you know like it's the field only respects the fact that you scored or you fucking did it and if they until you like in the coach's role is to find somebody who's fucking executing on that. And if you don't fucking like it, they don't give a fuck. And if business and world was treated that way, we'd have a lot better place.

They don't give a fuck if you're having a bad day. They give a fuck about winning. Dude, that's our role here. Now you take the same guy. And dude, we don't get this in our work i'm saying it i've this in my context of being a coach for a lot of other fucking entrepreneurs these guys are dealing with this shit our people our culture i want to be clear because all our guys listen to this and they don't fucking do that shit here it's different so but what i'm saying is that people don't understand how to operate within the context of whatever it is they're doing.

They don't get it. Do you understand what I'm saying? They got to come to office and vet all their shit to the boss or the HR or this. And if they don't fucking listen, it's the fucking company's fault. That's bullshit. Right. Well, I listen it's the fucking company's fault that's bullshit right well i think that's the thing right like in a locker room you know there's like the stages in a locker locker room's like a sacred place like you have that conversation in the locker room but when you get in a dugout you don't have that conversation no more we're playing yeah dude i mean yeah that's

what i was gonna say a minute ago we fucking take the same fucking guy who you know is having a rough time outside dude and we're fucking all, what can we do about that? You know what I'm saying? It's not like you don't care. It's just not appropriate for the context. Dude, some of the best guys in the locker room, like the rule followers, I mean, it's kind of playing each role, right?

You'd have the rule follower who, you know, he was a great teammate. He'd listen. He did everything by the books. He'd go out and he'd compete his fucking ass off, and you're always, kind of like, and I'm not, don't get mad at me here, kind of like a Vaughn, right? You'd be like, man, fucking

Vaughn don't party, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. We'd get that motherfucker in the bar. Vaughn parties. No, we'd get that motherfucker in the bar and he'd be standing on a sumbitch and you're like, alright, I like Steve. Steve fucking gets down. Yeah, that's Vaughn. But that's playing each role, you know, like there's a time and a place. You know, hey,

Steve wants to fucking take his shirt off and fucking get in his underwear and sing karaoke. Like, fuck, I'm you I'm you know go for it man you know what I'm saying in the locker room he was a role and field he's a role and in the bar it's a different role have fun yeah but do you dude do you I don't think people understand that well they're afraid of it man I mean you gotta think like it's taking you a lot of years to get the confidence where you have to be able to say that and do that and then execute on that and it's fear of failure like fear of what everybody's going to say about you dude but i think the i think the difference between people who are super high functioning in all areas and people who aren't is what i'm saying no i would agree with that yeah but it

takes time to get there you know and i think the message to somebody who's struggling with that is like hey man like understand the role and then execute on that role and understand it like it's okay if you like some fucking shit outside the box you know but you know what i feel like i'm hearing from you guys when i'm listening is i'm i'm one aspect of this is i feel like our culture people in our culture have have lost the ability to discern between okay here's when it's appropriate for you to between, okay, here's when it's appropriate for you to be an individual, and here's when it's not, when you do have to do what's best for the team or the business or whatever. And I think what happens is we have two extremes. We have people coming to work and thinking the whole office revolves around what personal

problems they're having at the time. But then the opposite is we have the person who has different aspects of themselves that they'd like to express. And I'm not talking about crazy, salacious stuff. I'm just talking about, like my buddy Pete, he has always wanted to be involved in the rodeo industry. He hasn't really grown up in it, never had an opportunity to be part of it. He decides at 30-some years old, he's like, dude, I want to be part of that industry. But I, in talking to him, I realized that he feels like he has to have some reason. Like he has to either be invited into it or he has to legitimize it some way. And I'm like, no, you don't have to do that at all. You just, if that's something you want to do, do it. And I, that's what I feel like, dude, you're good at Andy, as you decided after three years, four years of doing MFCO, you're going to do a comedy and social and culture thing.

And you didn't say, oh, I need permission or people don't know me like this. You just said, this is an aspect of my life that I'd like to express. Listen, I'm going to do it. This is how I don't know why this maps in my brain this way, but this is how it maps in my brain. It's kind of like having sex with your wife at home. I know why. No, no, no. For real. At home, you have sex.

Like, sometimes you get, you know, sometimes you get outside the boundaries, but, you know, there's kind of the rules to the game, right? But if you go to a badass hotel that's got a fucking glass view all the way in the front... Oh, you're getting dirty. That's right. You walk in and you're like, you know what? This is my role. My role is like on the glass,

on the fucking... So, like, understanding your environment and executing on that environment, it's a huge thing, right? And it's okay. Maybe you don't do that at home, but you do it in a fucking hotel. I don't know why it came to my brain. It's the best thing I can do. It actually makes total sense, which is that you have to feel comfortable.

Context influences us, and you have to feel comfortable expressing different aspects of yourself based on the context. It makes total sense. And I think, again, going back to what we're saying is that people nowadays don't understand that there is a context. They're trying to express themselves everywhere they fucking go. Right.

And then they end up feeling like everybody hates it. And it's not that everybody hates it. It's that you're doing it the wrong fucking time. Right. Jesus, act like a normal fucking human. Right. I think a lot of that spawned from sexuality, right? Vaughn, I want to know, do you express yourself at the hotel with your wife?

I want to hear you say it on that microphone. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Vaughn, dude, he didn't get the name Vaughn the Impaler for nothing. Exactly. Who gave you that name? You?

No, I think it was a collaboration. Disturbingly enough, I think it was probably Andy. Exactly. Who gave you that name? You? No, I think it was a collaboration. Disturbingly enough, I think it was probably Andy. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about it. It's not anybody you wrote a book for, is it, Vaughn? Yeah, that's right. Well, maybe. Somebody told me your name was Vaughn E. Holmes.

Vaughn E. Holmes? Not Vaughn Jeremy? Shit, the kids listening to this, they don't even know who John Holmes is. That's right. True confessions, I don't know who John Holmes is. Google it. Oh, Lord. Just Google it.

Google image it. Is this not the Von Jeremy? Right click, save as desktop. He's a grande impaler. Oh, the grande impaler. What was the dirty looking motherfucker's name? Ron Jeremy. Ron Jeremy, man.

We already talked about Von Jeremy. We've already talked about him. I don't know who Ron Jeremy is, but you don't know who John Holmes Jeremy. Ron Jeremy, man. We already talked about Vaughn Jeremy. We've already talked about the year. You know who Ron Jeremy is, but you don't know who John Holmes is. I don't know. I don't like catalog

all the guys. Isn't that what Boogie Nights is based off of? I think so. The story of John Holmes? Yeah. You seen Boogie Nights? I have not seen Boogie Nights.

It's a good movie. You should watch it. Yeah. It is. It's for real. It's good. Okay. Madat's over here

showing us pictures. That's the Ron Jeremy, buddy. you know i get what you guys are saying when it comes to you know huge dicks yeah people express themselves harmless does that make you nervous pee pee what y'all are missing out do you have to release some trauma bro you want to have therapy here we can do it I don't judge you man I don't judge you it's okay I don't feel judged and I know it's okay

You need to go on one of those Where were we talking about I know you release all that tension at that 61 mile an hour speed zone 61 sometimes I go 67. Sometimes even 69. That's my man. They're not going to let me in church anymore. If you're not laughing in your car right now, you have no soul.

Fuck you too. Obviously, we all get the whole idea of it. If you express yourself, it doesn't hurt anybody. Fine, whatever. But do you think, though, it's come to the point in our culture where it's almost gotten to be people are so obsessed about, you know, I got to do me and being individuals that it's almost gotten to be like a competition to see who can be weirder. Who can be more annoying? Yeah, totally, dude, because that goes right in with the with the attention thing like dude people are doing they do they're so fucking see zuckerberg's a fucking smart motherfucker like dude he figured out that the most valuable fucking

thing in the world of people is attention yeah yeah and he figured out how to fucking sell it. I mean, that's genius. But like, dude, these people, I guarantee, dude, that's exactly what the deal is. People have to figure out how to get the likes, man. They got to get the shares. They got to get the comments. Dude, you see fucking people, celebrities doing it. I just saw before we got on the show some bullshit tweet some celebrity made about trump missiling that dude over in iraq apologizing to the fucking people the country of iraq this motherfucker will kill you and your fucking family and fucking put you on a fucking stake like dude these people

are delusional you know what i'm saying like they're fucking delusional yeah there's actually hard evidence that he was already planning attacks from multiple countries. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. It's been going on for a couple years. But what I'm saying is, these people do that shit not even truly believing what the fuck they said. They're just trying to get relevant again. Yeah, right. I mean, dude, fuck, look what girls do on Instagram and guys do on Instagram now.

Like, fuck. Listen, I mean, I would consider myself a really secure person. You know, I'm confident in most things I do. I can see where people fall into the trap. Like, I made a post in regards to Haiti the other day. Like, I spent, you know, an hour writing the post, and I'm all in it, and it gets the least amount of likes I've ever had, and I get, like, emotionally upset.

Like, dude, how come that one gets fucking fucked with? That's a good question. And then I write another post, and it gets a million likes, and you're like, well, how the fuck is that? And you start getting mad at this, and I can see where people struggle with that. It's like, well, then I've got to make my content

based on what people like. Well, this is why there's so many ass pictures on Instagram. Exactly. Let's be fucking real. Exactly. Dude, one girl... Chasing the likes. No, one girl started pulling her swimsuit so far up her ass she could fucking taste

it. And then she figured out that she got a lot of likes. And then she kept doing it. And then other girls noticed that she got a lot of likes. Now all these girls, that's all they post is pictures of their swimsuit pulled up their fucking face. Actually, it's created an entire new category of swimsuits. Yeah.

Exactly. It brought like, It made thongs fucking like... Five years ago, people didn't wear thongs to a family pool. Now, it's like all the chicks wear it. I can't tell you the last time I didn't see a thong. I know, that's what I'm saying.

My girls are going out in one of the 1960s fucking... They're going out in a fucking wetsuit. That's right. Fucking three millimeter neoprene, son. But dude, here's the thing. I'm not like, dude, you show whatever the fuck you want. I'm not judging you, but I'm telling you, there's a lot of girls out there that don't want to post like that.

They want to post who they are and say things they want to say and they have shit to offer and they won't do it because they're addicted to the fucking likes and shares that people do when they post those pics. So dude, how do we encourage people to use social media in a way that's like positive and constructive when when the reality is bad behavior is rewarded isn't it it's not even who says it's bad well what i'm saying is that that goofiness where you're just that tommy topper mentality what i'm saying the weirder you get the more attention you get like but oh i see what you're saying like that's what i'm saying like how do we how do we curb that when the reality is, even though all of us agree that it's crazy, they're still getting attention.

How do we break people in that? Well, it comes back to money, too, bro. Dude, the people with the most attention get most money in social media. It's just the way that it's set up. So then it becomes a money deal. So now it's not even like be true to self and who i am now it's how can i manipulate my product to make the most money which is what we have going on right because if people could show metrics of this or that they get paid more money but i think

but you've said that with with like girls i'm picking on the girls but when they go half naked that doesn't always translate into monetizing you know because they have a bunch of they have a bunch of followers but they're well it depends on what it depends on what it depends it just depends because what if they're an influential uh lesbian who has a lot of female followers i mean dude she's going to sell different products than a girl who has mostly men followers this that it but what, but what I'm trying to say, I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with it. I'm explaining how the trends start and then how people get fucking stuck in the trend because they're trying to monetize or be relevant. And so what they end up doing is creating more and more extreme versions of the same thing.

When in reality, if they just pivoted a little bit into something just a little slightly different they would engage the the attention of their audience again even though the first couple posts you're going to have all the fucking cheap seat motherfuckers saying boo fuck dude when we first started this podcast we had a handful of people who were like oh it's fucking horrible ah well fuck you then go listen to something else you know what i'm saying so you're going to lose some people but you when you pivot, you create and peak new attention, which actually creates more traffic. So the fact what I'm saying is there's a lot of the example I was using about the girls with the swimsuit thing. There's a lot of girls in that scenario right now that are trapped mentally. And it's a false entrapment because if they changed and

pivoted they'd peak the curiosity they might go down for a month but the brand would ultimately come back stronger and that's what i that's what i'm trying to say is people are falsely imprisoned inside their idea of what the attention they're going to get which drives this crazy shit you're talking about. You see what I'm saying? Well, and I think it drives the insecurity problem, which turns into the mental health problem. Like they're not being accepted anymore, and what's wrong with me? And they don't want to do it, and then it creates this downward spiral, because they're

doing something they, quote unquote, don't want to do, but they feel they have to do it. Dude, I've talked to a lot of these girls, because I know a lot of these influencers. And dude, they'll straight up, you talk influencers. Dude, they'll tell you straight up. You talk to them real, they'll tell you that. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I want to do more. I want people to know this about me, but I can't because if I post that,

then I get fucking no engagement, my page dies, and I stop getting paid. I've heard this from people. And, dude, that's – To my to my point though that's why i was saying i know it's tough because even you know like i'm not trying to get that engaged but i look at those numbers you know on something that means something to me and it's like to andrew's point like then i don't get as many likes i'm like you start having this conversation is it a bad post i think the point the point here is that if you stick with that authenticity you'll win in the long run that's right so you. So you might have a fucking post

or three or four that fucking don't do shit, but the overall body of work that is you is people are going to go back and they're going to see that and they're going to be like, fuck, I like this guy. Right. Well, and not only that,

I mean, let's say you have 54 people like that post on Haiti. Well, of those 54 people that liked it, even if you have like three or four who decide, hey man, I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something about it. It's worth it. But see, the difference is that Sal you're secure as a, as a human being. So to have that result is meaningful to you and brings you happiness. But the people that are just like looking at likes is self-validation are never ever going to be satisfied. Those people are so filled with

anxiety and fear. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, it's probably unbearable. You know what I'm saying? And frustration. Like, to my advice to those people is just do what you got to do. Because when I say that, I mean, like, be you. Be who the fuck you are and just go do that. Once you do that, all that anxiety and all that fucking pressure and fear and shit will go away.

Well, I think, Andrew, we were driving down a highway. I mean, look, dude, this is a big fucking reason why I pivoted from MFCEO, if we're being honest. Like, dude, I hated. I fucking could not stand the fact that people think that I'm some sort of fucking psycho crazy dickhead no that context of that show is I'm the fucking teacher because I'm credible and you're the motherfucker that wants to learn okay so I'm gonna teach you and that's the context of the show you see what I'm saying whereas this show is more like you are yeah what. Yeah. What we talk about. And so, dude, I wanted to get rid of that

pressure. That's the truth. I felt like we fulfilled the mission. We were at a point where we would have to start repeating ourselves over and over again. And I wasn't having fun because I was getting labeled as this shit that I'm not. And so, like, dude, even today,

I posted some funny shit on my story and people are like, I had no idea that you had a sense of humor. I'm not. And so, like, dude, even today, like, I posted some funny shit on my story, and people are like, I had no idea that you had a sense of humor. I'm like, what the fuck? It's about time. Yeah. Well, dude, yeah, no shit. But I'm just saying, like...

Listen, we live with Andrew. Sal and I and Andrew live together. Well, how old are you now, 41? No. I'm 40. I'm 30. 30, all right. 29. He's 30. Forever 29. 29, yeah. We were wondering when 41? No. I'm 40. I'm 30. 30. All right. 29.

He's 30. Forever 29. Yeah. We were wondering when that sense of humor would come out. Oh, yeah. Okay. Get the fuck out of here. Right.

It's usually a few Bud Lights away. Oh, yeah. So, obviously, we've talked about social media, and I started talking about Twitter and everything, but continue. But, dude, to my point, before you get into that, you understand that that's a scary move for someone to make. Well, I do. Look at this.

I was our fucking show was number one in the fucking world. Number one in our category in the world for fucking over a year. Dude, to switch from that into something else that is not. I mean, dude, that takes fucking balls. It's a scary thing. So I get where people are coming from but i could tell you this i'm a lot fucking happier today than i was fucking four or five months ago having to do that shit well i mean you we always talk about the the political divide like what what the politics

or politicians are playing for and there's always gonna be a left and a right you know there's always gonna be a republican democrat style in life and a lot of There's always going to be a Republican-Democrat style in life. And a lot of people play in that vanilla middle. They try to play for the middle swing and they give to who they are to try to gain a little bit of their following, to let those people know that they love them. And then those are the harshest critics to their mission because they don't relate to those people. So they give in on who they are. And then the people that like them, they don't relate to those people. So they give in on who they are, and then the people that like them, they no longer love them, because now he's kind of like those people.

Whereas if you could just get the 50% of people to fucking love you, you'll find all the validation. And those are in the thoughts that you're scared of. There are people who have the same fucking fear that you have. The same weird thing. The reason a furry convention exists, because there's a lot of fucking people

who want to get dressed up in fucking fur coats and go fucking grind on the dance floor. It's okay. No, they want to grind on the dance floor. It's okay. No, they want to grind on the dance floor without the fur. That's the point. But that's the point. Start there. But they can't do it.

They can't do it. So the fur helps you do it. You get what I'm saying? So I don't know. Yeah, so what I was saying was basically, you know, we were talking about Twitter and social media and all that good stuff. So continuing this theme of technology, there's a couple reports out now that say that a Google AI machine has actually more accurately predicted breast cancer than doctors.

And, you know, we're seeing this left and right, guys. Wait, how? Well, I have no idea because I'm a science moron, but basically it's based on a logarithm. And from what I gather, there's some sensors involved in the machine. Oh, some sensors? Some sensors. Well, they must be very technical sensors, man.

What the fuck, dude? What is that? Tyler, fucking figure out how the fuck they did this. Figure out how they did it. But here's the point. So they're obviously saying that on repeated studies, there's been cases. Sensors, too. There's been cases where basically this artificial intelligence is doing a better job than human beings.

So the question is, Sal, if you could replace a job or service traditionally done by humans and have it done by artificial intelligence, what would you choose? For my personal life or for life overall? You can answer it however you want. I mean, dude, the easiest answer for me right there is I would have robotic people fight wars. Oh. That's interesting. The front line could be... Isn't that what they did in Pacific Rim? That's kind of what we're doing now.

I think we're doing that right now. We're moving towards that. Well, I mean, that would be a good thing. You save our guys, our troops from the front lines. I mean, dude, there's a lot of motherfuckers still out there getting shot and killed and it would be cool to like pull those motherfuckers out of there i agree 100 introducing ai in the war well then dude you look at like the police support terminator shit well you look at like let's start thinking for themselves yeah the police support man like you know if i was a cop right now in new york city like like our buddy mike like i would be nervous

you know what i mean like and i And I think especially with the political unrest. I know what I would do. You could start putting robots into those, or artificial people into those situations. I mean, I think from that standpoint, that's what I would probably do. Yeah, and then you're in a technology battle. Whose tech is better? Right.

What would you do? Dude, I would have artificial intelligence just figure out all the lottery numbers for me. Oh, there we go. Yeah, and I'd win every lottery. Well, it does raise the question, like, how- And then I'd just do whatever the fuck I want, which is what I do anyway. You guys remember-

Hold on, there's two movies here. Life will just keep going pretty much as normal. There's two movies here that Andrew and I watched 500,000 times that are called- Weird signs. No, RoboCop, which is coming out in my brain, maybe. You know, what the fuck was that guy's name? I'd buy that for a dollar. I remember that in the fucking video.

And two is- Clarence Bartiker. Yeah, that's right. What was it? It was Back to the Future 2 when fucking What's His Nuts gets the sports bet book of all the sporting scores and he goes back. Yeah, Biff. And he wins all the fucking money and ends up being miserable at the top of the mountain,

though. At the top of the penthouse. Yeah, but see, it wouldn't make me miserable because I've already got money. That's true. So like it wouldn't fuck me up anymore. I'd just have a lot more of it. Well, you'd be Biff. No, I would not. I'd be Andy. But I'm saying, I would be the, that's why I said

life would just keep going the way it's going. I wouldn't change anything, but it would be a nice insurance. When I saw that, you know, you're thinking like, okay. I mean, dude, honestly, curing cancer would be fucking at the top of that list too. Artificially. Yeah, I mean, if they're doing it.

I mean, that's the beauty about technology and science, the crossover. Like if it's done properly the right way, like you save a lot of fucking lives. Now, the industry is not going to like it because it's going to take a lot of tax dollars out of the fucking, out of the medical industry and the insurance industry, and they can't fuck the system. They'll figure out how to make that go away. Dude, technology's going to cause the next recession. All these motherfuckers right now, they're all worried about the wrong shit. They all think it's Trump and this and that.

No, it ain't. It's fucking technology. Google and Amazon. Dude, every fucking company's automating things to the point where there's literally no jobs. What do you think is going to happen to the economy when there's a huge percentage of people that are replaced by technology? Look everywhere that we go. We go to the fucking Home Depot now.

We can't even get somebody real to check us out. You go to the bank, there's not a fucking real person. You go to the grocery store, fucking one real person. Dude, I went to the movie theater the other day. It was like that. Okay.

The movie theater. All right. So where the fuck are those jobs? That's a good question. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So like, dude, what people aren't even, until the, listen, man, this is the biggest fucking fuck job that's going to happen to America, and people just aren't even paying attention

to it. But the way companies are utilizing technology, it's eliminating real human jobs. And so we have a fucking, and like everybody thinks it's cool. They're like, like, dude, when we were building the new building, we're getting ready to move into a new building here in a couple months. And they come back and they look at how we pack orders. We pack them with real people, okay? A lot of real people. And they're always like, why do you do that? You're wasting so much money.

You could invest a million dollars here and you'd automate this and this and this. And I'm like, yeah, but where the fuck would they go? And then the argument is, the argument is, well, then you just move them into more advanced roles that can help you grow your company well i don't know if you've ever run a company before but there's just certain motherfuckers that aren't

that advanced that's just reality right there's people that just they're they're gonna work in a warehouse whether they work for you or whether they work at amazon whatever the fuck they work they're not gonna work at amazon because amazon automates everything but or not everything but a lot of shit but my point is is that like dude these companies you know instead of worrying about you know how many black people versus white people they have or how many women versus men they have the government's gonna have to step in and say you gotta have this many fucking people to even be open otherwise the economy the economy is going to collapse. Nobody's talking about it. This is something in the background, though,

that I see from operating a business on a day-to-day basis that people don't give Trump credit for. By taxation on the tariffs, on the inbound, it's forcing companies to get smart and create things here so that we're not importing them, which creates the jobs, which is what he's doing to offset the loss in technology you know and it's and it's stemmed our economy into us into a boom where it's doing well because the unemployment rate's at the lowest it's ever been until they start until they start working to regulate the advancement of technology dude i'm fucking terrified yeah like honestly because

like dude it's gonna what it's gonna create is a situation where you have ultra-rich people, which, dude, that's going to be me because that's where I'm sitting in life. I mean, that's going to be me. Yeah. But fuck, dude, a lot of people, because, dude, I'm always going to hire people. Like, that's it. The way First Form does shit, the way we do shit here, the way Sal and I do it and Jason and Chris, we believe in people. So we're always going to do it this way so people are always going to be

employed here but that ain't going to be every company because i know for sure from my experience with other entrepreneurs a lot of motherfuckers only care about themselves and so they're going to use as much technology to make the company as profitable as they can for themselves. So there's going to be a lot of fucking people out there that don't have a place to go. They don't have a place to work and they don't have a place to do anything. But here's where I think the correction will be, too. I also think the correction will be made by human companies because they're able to do things that other humans crave. Like they're able to make things that other humans crave. Like they're able to make things

personal and create human connection. Like for example, like in our biz, our retail company that we own, um, you know, retail's dying. Everybody, if you ask any fucking economist or any business expert out there, they'll tell you retail's dead bullshit. This is the best opportunity ever for retail. If you do it right, because people are fucking craving that experience of having somebody that they know and like and trust and talk to because it doesn't exist anymore. So if you could create a scenario in your business or your brick and mortar retail or your service shop where you're, even if you're competing with Amazon, they can get you the product. Cause dude, we're in the vitamins supplement business. People can one click ship faster than they can get the shit from us that's just reality

okay but they still come to us because dude when you go in the store we fucking know their names we know who they are we shake their hand we treat them like they're very special because they are very special and dude if companies actually so what we're seeing is a cyclical thinning of the herd you see what i'm saying yep so what's happening is the businesses that sucked that were like in brick and mortar they're fucking dying because they weren't operating properly faster than so the internet has corrected a lot of bad business practice but there's going to have to be there's going to be a time in between the reconnect the recorrection which is going to be to be, there's going to be a time in between the reconnect or the recorrection, which is going to be service-based businesses that are, when I say service, I mean, personal,

like we employ people, human businesses will come back around. But between that time of tech and between the humans that come back around and take it back because people crave that, there's going to be a fucking massive collapse that's what people should be afraid of i think if you're a great people person it's a great time to get into your skill set in retail hey man look it ain't gonna fuck that collapse ain't gonna hurt me it ain't gonna hurt you no but i fucking i'm scared for a lot of the middle people because the people who are in the middle and in the in the blue collar jobs that are like you know let's just say like worker b jobs like they show up they do shit you know entry level worker b you understand yeah those type of jobs they're going to be fucking those people with that little and this is why people should be building their own skill set

because those jobs are going to be fucking hurting bad i think i think I think what really strikes me is that in this drive to be efficient for the sake of humanity, we're actually ruining humanity. Dude, I purposely shop with coffee. You always talk about values and the inefficiencies. I actually think it's inefficiency that makes life worth living at times. It's the little hiccups. It's the challenge.

It's the cup of coffee in your in your in the coffee shop at where you live right you enjoy so much right you enjoy it so much that you when you lived here it was one of the biggest things you missed right because we didn't you can't get that right like dude and that's the thing that's why human businesses will always be at an advantage over tech businesses if they just figured out how to run them right right you know what i'm saying or even like the idea of like the way you guys have run your business. Mistakes don't torpedo your business. When you make a mistake, when something is inefficient, you learn from it.

Yeah. And I mean, what happens when you bring a robot in and replace a human being? The human being might make a bunch of mistakes, but in the course of making mistakes, they make new discoveries. Dude, there's a moral standard here too. There's a moral standard here, too. There's a moral standard here. Let's just say, for example, that they made AI that could actually do this shit better than humans. Better.

Better than humans. There's still a moral standard amongst business owners and customers to, A, employ people that need the jobs, and for customers, B, to shop with companies that fucking do that. There's a moral standard there. I shop. I try to never shop as much as we joke about like buying on Amazon and all that shit. Like, dude, I do shop there because it is so fucking good and easy. They are great at what they do. No question. But I really make an effort to buy everything else from either people I know that own companies or people I know that employ real people over the automated way. It's just what I believe in.

And I think if people let their dollars speak their voices where they spent money, then- We'll be in a great spot. We'd be in a good spot. Yeah. I mean, people ask all the time, aren't you afraid of Amazon? No, no, like fuck dude. No,

Amazon creates our, our space. That's our opportunity. That's right. You know, like one day I'm going to sit across from Jeff Bezos and be like, you can't beat me motherfucker. Yeah. Like,

you know, you might get it there faster. You can sell it cheaper, but I can connect with people. Like I can, I know they're, I speak fat. We speak fat.

dude, look, Amazon's kind of a bad example for that because they, they, they do have a great culture and, and you know, that but we're they represent tech correct that's what we're talking evolution yes and and efficiency right like our our inefficiency fucking run some they run their business the fucking dude they're good yeah it's not even good they're great yeah they're the best of what they do that's right and i'm not hating on that but what what we take great pride

in is we're at the best of what we do that's right just helping people and they from a humanistic standpoint which to andrew's point like the crave dude the crave of like you get on the internet and you're trying to lose weight like you don't know who to trust or who to believe or you know do you buy this rap or this fucking diet we'll call us we'll help you you know what i mean we'll help you fucking change your spark plugs we'll help you change your life we'll help you through the hard times we'll help you through the good times like efficiencies and robots will never fix that you know and so understanding but if they could if they i agree they won't right but if they could there's still a moral obligation to take care of fellow man of course and and that's not being discussed at all anywhere.

I agree. It's actually, you know, when you look at how you state that, when you start thinking, I think people would jump on board to that. You know what I mean? I think you create the movement that people... Do you know how fucking proud I am to walk back and see these motherfuckers in the back of our business? It's the best part of my day. The meeting I had this morning, I said the best thing,

the thing I have the most fulfilling part of my day the meeting i had this morning i said the best thing the best the thing i have the most the most fulfilling part of my bucket is building young men me too like i and i i've tried to incorporate this model in my brain where you know and women for all you fucking crazy motherfuckers out there are gonna write in and say some shit like he's fucking misogynist or whatever right i i'm trying to live by this mantra like we build the people the people build the business you know what i mean like i want to fucking misogynist or whatever. I'm trying to live by this mantra. Like we build the people, the people build the business. You know what I mean?

Like I want to create people, you know, the best versions of themselves. And like, that's the best thing that I do is go in and interact with people. Like if I had to pound away on a keyboard all day, dude, I wouldn't do the job.

There's no fucking way. I want to, I want to have people and watch their lives grow and watch them develop and watch them get better. Like that's the best fucking thing that I do, you and so i think we should come together we should create a movement that supports that well i think we could do it look i i think that just bringing awareness i think when you just talk it out you know yeah when people a lot of the actions of the world are done in ignorance because they don't people don't understand how their actions create circumstances, you know, that they have to deal with. So I think just talking about,

that's what I said. Nobody's even talking about it. I think just talking about that can bring enough awareness where people become more conscious about where they put their money. Shit, I could do a better job at it. You know, I'm thinking in my head, man, I should go to Ace True Value Hardware. It's owned by a local guy versus going to Home it. You know, I'm thinking in my head. Yeah, me too. I should go to Ace True Value Hardware. It's owned by a local guy. Yeah. Or just go into Home Depot. You know what I mean? I could do that, you know?

I agree. Well, guys, we're talking about changes in technology, advances in technology, changes in culture. A lot of all this stuff leaves the average person kind of scratching their head, a little overwhelmed, a little crazy. They want to go crazy. I think one of the reasons that people listen to this show is that they want to know that they're not crazy.

They're not the only one who thinks the thoughts that they have. Well, maybe it's that they are crazy and we just happen to be crazy, too. We're the furries. I'm going to kind of step out because, you know, you guys have always told me to be a little bit more assertive here. 62 miles. Well, I see that you wore a different shirt this time. I did. You wore your fucking Get Wild sweater. I did. This is my Get Wild sweater with the nice little drawstrings. Dude, I see that you wore a different shirt this time. I did. I wore it. You wore your fucking Get Wild sweater.

I did. This is my Get Wild sweater with the nice little drawstring. Dude, that's like- Fancy jeans. That looks like something Bieber would put on. Yeah, you know, me and Bieber, we're tight. Yeah, dude. You're looking hip, bro.

I came up with something- Did you see Biebs and Binner? Dude, that was awesome. Oh, that was cool. That was sick, dude. Who's that? Binner's going to shut him out, though. Oh, yeah.

Come on. Jordan Bennington, the Blues goalie. The best goalie in the fucking NHL. Yeah. Just first year in the league. Wins the Stanley Cup. He challenges Justin Bieber to it because Biebs is putting all his stuff on about him. He's got pretty silky hands for a fucking-

He does. He's pretty smooth. And his hockey? His hockey? Is it Bieber from Canada? It's a pure league, but still. Dude, he's fucking Canadian. I thought he was from Canada.

I know, but yeah. Every fucking Canadian knows how to play hockey. I'm telling you though, when I saw his first video, I said, well, that's not him. He's filming somebody. Then it was like the video two, three, four. The kid's got some pretty good hands for what I would... He ain't scoring on Bennington. No. Come on.

But anyway, Bennington's like... Unless he lets him. He's like... And then Bennington's like, hey, I bet you can't score on me or something. There's probably like a little back-end deal like... No, it's... Benner's like, you know, you slide me a stack, dude, I bet you can't score on me or something. There's probably a little back-end deal. Benner's like, you know, you slide me a stack, dude. I'll fucking, you know. I guarantee you. And Justin Bieber's probably got a few stacks to spare.

He's got plenty of stacks. He's got lots of stacks. Anyway, for charity, he's like, hey, for $10,000, charity of choice, you shut me out. I'll pay $10,000. I score on you. You pay the $10,000. Out of 10 shots.

10 shots. It was cool. I think it was cool. I mean, Justin Bieber's a fucking superstar, you shut me out, I'll pay 10 grand, I score on you, you pay the 10 grand. Out of 10 shots. 10 shots. It was cool. I think it was cool. I mean, Justin Bieber's a fucking superstar, you know? I thought it was great. Couldn't they come up with some sort of robotic version of that where there weren't real people and do it more efficiently? I mean, they could. Yeah.

No, so here's my idea. Was that your attempt at a joke? It was a little bit, but I actually think it was quite good. I'm going to have to change the fucking category of the show. Okay, so here's my idea. You can reject it if you want, but I think a lot of our listeners, people who are with us in body and, well, maybe not body, but mind and spirit, they got questions.

So I thought maybe we could start a new thing where we have a hashtag, Confused AF, and people hashtag it on social media, and then they ask their question, Andy, why is the world like this? And then just presents their question. What do you think about that? I mean, I'll look through the hashtag, but I have a feeling it's going to piss me the fuck off. Why wouldn't it be

email Vaughn at... Yeah, that's right. Do it this. Just tag Vaughn in that shit, motherfuckers. Hashtag Confused AF. You're the producer of the show, man. No, you fucking. Just tag Vaughn in that shit, motherfuckers. Hashtag confused AF. You're the producer of the show, man. No, you fucking sent him to Vaughn. So tag me, confused AF. Trying to pass the buck.

And then ask a question. That's called booger flicking. We talked about booger flicking. But use the hashtag confused AF, and then ask a question that you would like us to discuss on the show. Could be really anything having to do with culture. Could be a crazy question. Could be like,

uh, you know, one of those crazy, you know what, dude, I was thinking about this too. We definitely need to come up with a good outlet for people to send the topics they want to talk about.

Yeah. Cause I've gotten a couple of good topics from people, but like, I don't check my shit that much. So I know I'm missing a lot of it, but it'd be cool. Like for the next show, let's create.

Yeah. You know what? Email Vaughn at. Hey, look. Not email. Here it is. You can DM me if you want.

No email. Confused AF at Andy for Sella.com. Send us an email. Okay, great. Confused AF. Yeah. At Andy for Sella.com.

And I'll answer it if you hashtag too. Yeah. That's fine. They want to DM me because if you hashtag too. Yeah. That's fine. They want to DM me because I'm so sick of email. That's fine. All right. Well, moving on. Yeah.

V-A-U-G-H-N-K-O-H-L-E-R. What do you want to connect with people? Is that your... Are we done? Are we done? No, no, no, no. Well, I don't know. You trying to get on the road?

No, no, no. I actually have a couple other things. No, no, no. I have a new couple other things. No, no, no. I have a new feature I want to introduce, but you guys got to roll with it if you want. All right, what's the feature? Okay, the new feature is called Fortune Cookies and Stocking Stuffers.

But we have to roll with it. We're the ones that roll with it. Just go with it, dude. All right, so the idea is this is a quick, kind of a quick fire round of, you know, truth bombs, recommendations, books, things you're reading lately that have been helpful for you, funny movies, anything.

So we're going to start with Jim because we've actually been talking about efficiencies, inefficiencies, all this artificial intelligence. A couple months ago, Andy wrote a post about all the different things that he had learned from you, Jim. And one of them was you're going to make mistakes. So on this round of just quick advice, I want you to unpack that. Why is that something that would stick out in the mind of your son as one of the key things he learned from you?

You're going to make mistakes. Why is that even valuable advice? Well, it's one of the most important things you can learn. You're going to make mistakes, and you can't get frustrated, Brian. You can't do anything but analyze the mistake, look at what you did wrong, and make a plan to move on, to correct that mistake. And in the world, success is made of mistake after mistake after mistake by smart people who are able to figure out what those mistakes are and how to make another plan i mean it's really really simple it's the most i think it's as simple as people so fearful of making mistakes no i don't think people i don't think

people understand that it's that simple what he just said it's as simple as this dude you make a mistake you don't you touch the stove it fucking burns you you don't touch it again you go stick your finger in an electrical socket it fucking shocks you i mean this is how you learn shit one i think it's important to know that you this is what makes people human but like people are afraid this just goes back to the social pressure thing now people are afraid to look stupid in front of people that's what it is right and what you have to realize is that none of those other motherfuckers that are laughing at you when you look stupid they don't know what the fuck they're doing either i told andrew and sal always go ahead and do it go ahead and do it how many

times they tell you go ahead and stick your finger in the fire go ahead and go do that yeah you're the ones going to suffer you're going to learn by it and and and it and they learned right away not to do those type of things at at least in front of me anyway. Well, I mean, dude, I don't think people think that like getting better is that simple. Like I think they I think there's a there. This comes from social fucking bullshit again. There's a fucking segment of people out there who are quote unquote successful, who want to look like motherfucking Yoda and have every fucking answer to every single detail of every single thing and act as if they don't ever do anything wrong.

And they're superhuman and they're perfect and they're this and they're that. And so what's that create? It creates a scenario where we have people who, when they make a mistake or two they think oh well fuck I must not have it I must not have what so-and-so has that's out there and the guru of success this is why I hated the entrepreneurship fucking space because I'm so sick of motherfuckers serving their own ego and pretending like they're perfect so they can fucking feel good and ruining other humans by pretending to be that way because every time they fuck up now they think well fuck dude I guess I'm not cut out for success like everybody else told me my whole life and I should just go get a job flipping fucking burgers that's what the problem is with it and that's why I fucking left that

space that's why i don't fucking talk dude when i left the speaking circuit i was making 125 grand a fucking hour okay the reason i fucking don't want to do that is because i don't feel like i want to be a part of that because i don't i don't think it's morally okay you see what i'm saying makes total sense and it's a social pressure thing so when when people want to, you know, like Sal, you're saying, you know, they're afraid to do this. Well, fucking right. They're afraid because they think that if they make a mistake, they're fucking, their life is over. Do you understand? Like in their head, look, they're thinking like this. If I fuck up, it means

I'm fucked. Dude, if I fuck up, it means I wasn't meant to do this. And they're afraid to find out if they really were meant to do it or not. So what do they do? Nothing. Because it doesn't hurt right now. The analogy or the advice that I always give people, because I get asked this question all the time, how do you get over the fear of failing? And it's kind of like, well, man, I'll tell you,

the best advice that I have is my relationship. I have fucked so many relationships up. And I mean, yeah, that could go another way. So many fucking relationships up that I learned from each one. Well, I can't do that. I can't have more than one girlfriend. I can't fucking do that. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but see, that's not what people do, bro. What people do is they look... Now I'm going to fucking get pissed. So what they actually do... It actually do better be pissed off than pissed on remember that's true well there's a there's people that like that too though yeah there is but there's people do all right you're funny you laugh fucked up yeah i fucked it up and people are getting a little better that no but people don't even see that you know what most

people say i had a bunch of shitty fucking girlfriends yeah and so then they develop the belief that they don't say hey even though even though dude, I've seen all your relationships and I know it wasn't all you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. People refuse to think that they had anything to do with it. Well, no. And I mean, like how, how could explain this to me?

You're right. How could all these bad things keep happening to me? Common denominator. Why does the world hate me? Why do I always get in these same situations? Like, at what point do you fucking look at yourself and you say, damn, bro, I guess I'm fucked up. Well, and you had to fix it, right?

And I went along, you know, and you don't fix it in one sweep. Just like dad said, you get a little better, you fix that part, and you get a little better, you know, get a little better, get a little better, and guess what? I got a great marriage. And I had a lot of fucked up relationships up to that point. And I mean a lot. Yeah, but it ain't always great.

No, but you learn. That's the thing is you learn. And, you know, what's funny is great doesn't mean perfect. I think this is a good point to talk about going back to, yeah, seek getting better, not perfection. And so when you look at, know from a relationship standpoint you know um everybody struggles with what they want out of a relationship and what they're expected to have and what they should have but i think once i figured out kind of like what i want you know

and i was just deathly honest about it when i transitioned you know there's a probably a transition of people who thought I was a dog for a long time. You know, like all these girls and people like, oh dude, he's, that's Sal. That's, and I had to go through that transition in life. I mean, yeah, no, rightfully so. Listen, I fucking, take the fucking candle. I mean, listen, my wife was here today and in front of my old boss, I said, I looked at her and I said, Ryan knew me when I was a real dog, like when I was a dog, but I had to go through that transition and I looked at her and I said, Ryan knew me when I was a real dog, like when I was a dog. But I had to go through that transition and I had to understand, like, okay, these people are going to judge me,

but that's not who I'm going to be anymore and fuck them. Like, I'm not, because I was, there was an expectation, like, well, that's Sal, that's what Sal does. And Sal didn't, that's not what I wanted. I wanted to have a good relationship and that means I had to change and I wanted to get better and I had to make adjustments. I had to make adjustments. Yeah, but see, here's the cool part about taking accountability for your own shit is now you, when you start to do good and you start to stand by your word, now you feel good about yourself and you're, you feel better about yourself and you have confidence and you have self-esteem and you have self-worth. I mean, and that happens in every category of your life.

That's right. You know, work, but like my buckets that I talked about last time, like myself, you know, my family, my work and my relationship. Like I, you got to do those and all those things. Otherwise you ain't going to fucking win, you know? No, that's good. Serving somebody else's master. Dude, this, this is why, look, dude, it come, it comes from the process, the work. Yeah.

It's the work that you put in. That's what I, dude dude i've been saying this for five fucking years to the whole entire world and people just still don't fucking get it now people who've done 75 hard get it now because we finally figured out a program for people to get it but it dude your fucking worth comes from your work it's the way it is and your work doesn't have to be your career it's whatever the fuck you're working on. Your relationship, your fitness, your relationships with your friends,

your fucking spirituality, this, this, this. You see what I'm saying? It goes back to people not understanding context again. Like, just because I'm a business guy doesn't mean I'm talking about fucking business all the time. I'm talking about life. Do you know how many failed products we've had? Fuck, dude, way more than one. Like, dude how many failed products we've had? Fuck, dude.

Way more than one. Like, dude, we're going to sell the fuck out of this. Trust me. I fucking know. Yeah. You know, and dude, so you just quit? No. What was fucked up about it?

Yeah, but dude, I don't go on the fuck. That's what people don't get. Like, we don't go on our website or on our Instagram and say, yeah, dude, we made this product and you fucking hated it. Like, we don't go on our website or on our Instagram and say, yeah, dude, we made this product and you fucking hated it. Nobody does that. So you never see it happen. But it fucking happens every day. Well, and I made a story the other day.

You know, somebody's like, man, you make parenting look so easy and all this shit, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, dude, listen, like, I'm not trying. That's not what I'm trying to portray. Yeah. I'm trying to be positive. I saw you post that. Can you post that? Yeah, I was you post that yeah it was a good story and you know and the guy's like well you make parenting look so easy i struggle with it bubble and my hey listen motherfucker i sent a message back i struggle parenting's toughest motherfucking thing i've ever done

dude you know what i got listen man you know earl emily's dad yeah he's one of the smartest fucking dudes i've ever met in my life. Just like you. I mean, he's the same as you. Amen. Yeah. So he... Not me, anyway. You know, there's certain things people say to you that you always remember.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And, dude, he said to me something one time. I was over there on Easter. And we've been, you know, we've been together for like 10 years. So, I mean, I've been over there quite a few times. Probably 12 years. Yeah. I don't even know. Like, I mean, I've been over there quite a few times. Probably 12 years. Yeah, I don't even know.

Like, I'm going to get people like, how do you not know that? Well, I'll explain it like this. I have fucking... Between 10 and 12. I have 10 megabytes of fucking brain space and 1,000 megabytes to deal with. All right?

So, if I don't remember certain things, it's because of that. So, and I don't even know if megabytes is the right thing. Whatever the fuck it is yeah that's that's what it is that's what the king because i'm superhuman obviously but uh he said to me man he goes we were talking because he was in the trucking business he was successful in the trucking business and now he does uh he's semi-retired does all farm stuff and uh has a job that he does and you know just to keep him going and stuff like that and uh anyway fucking smart

dude man and and i was like we were talking about the trucking business he was asking me this is back this is back before we were like doing well doing well like we were i was still fucking we're moving very broke yeah um and i remember he was telling me about the trucking business and i was like yeah man i'm like so i'm asking him because i'm thinking in my head like fuck dude i wonder if there's like opportunity to build a trucking company because he's getting out of it he was telling me about how he's getting out of it and uh i said well dude if it's as simple as getting like some trucks like i got enough money to get some trucks let's get like like let's do it together i'll do all the work you fuck he looks at me and he goes everything looks easy from the outside and i

never fucking forgot that like i immediately thought about like because i know him and i know his demeanor you guys know like when he says that there's a lot more depth behind it you don't even ask a question yeah he's just saying like shut the fuck up yeah so yeah you young punk yeah exactly but dude that stuck with me man because that was the perception I had. And now I look at everything that way. Like I look at everything that looks easy. And I remember that he said that that's really been, I would say one of the top key pieces of advice I've gotten in my, in my life from that conversation. I mean, special things, right? I think we're desensitized that because social media allows so much instant access yeah and you see all the glory yeah it takes it removes some people like i said earlier do some of these motherfuckers on social all they

want to show is the glory man that all they want to show is that they want to show the crowds clapping and the cheering or some guys want to show the fucking the watch or the house or the cars no one's out there showing the fucking times where you're like fuck dude you know what i think today's the day i'm gonna blow my fucking brains out yeah like you know what i'm saying like nobody shows that shit well and i'm gonna tell you that is like i've spent a lot of times at two o'clock in the morning drunk as a fucking skunk wonder if i'm doing the right thing yeah and i'm not talking about saturday night i'm talking about tuesday night yeah dude look man that's a that's a fucking i mean clearly we're doing the right thing, too.

And in those times, though, that's when people are like, you know, they attack the simplicity of it. Yeah, but dude, think about this. And we're winning. So, I mean, think of what it's like for someone who's really fucking struggling. No, yeah. Dude, I mean. You know, life is a journey, just like the journey for a diet and going through the whole process of dieting your whole life and changing the way that you look at a diet versus a journey that we teach to everybody.

And that's what it's about. It is a journey. It's hard. It's not easy. Do my story today on Instagram. Did you see it? No. Oh, well, it was just about what you're talking about.

It's a journey, and it's a long journey, and you've got to keep your eyes focused. You've got to do good things. You always do what's right. You know, all the things that you heard, you have to. And you learn by your mistakes, and you look at them, and you just move on. You move on. You learn by them, and you move on. Next, next, next.

And if you sit and look around, there's nobody going to do it but you. No, that's it. That's what it comes down to. And people don't really, they don't like hearing that shit because they want it to be, they want the, they're so busy looking for the hack that they miss that the hack is actually just doing it. You know what I mean? And that's what, that's what. The hack is doing just doing it. You know what I mean? The hack is doing it.

Yeah. I like it. It's the truth. I like it. Well, I had a couple just closing very, very, very practical questions. And Jim, you're from another time, like what, the 1800s, late 1800s? Yeah, yeah. But I do know that- Somebody's getting funny.

I do know that- Mr. getting funny. I do know that... Mr. Bonnie Holmes, I noticed you shaved your head. I mean, you cut your hair again today. I did. No, but one thing that I do love is that when I talk to somebody like you, you know, grand old man that you are... I do know a lot. You do know a lot.

And I know that Andy's a big reader sal's reader we all have different you know levels at which we read and speeds at which we read but i know back in the day you were a great reader what's this what's a book that you read in your prime that you think is still valuable for people to read to read now i i still think maybe the best book i ever read and and it is relevant but it's still Sam Walton's book, his autobiography. Dude, that's a great book. I've read it 20 times. That's the first book I ever read.

And there's no other way of reading it but to read it and read it over and over again. And it's just a simple story. It's really a simple story of a man that just worked hard and used common sense and never gave up and just went forward, forward, forward. He had lots of failures. He was bankrupt 20 times. He gave all of his key customers, when he went bankrupt, they didn't get paid for a year or two years. He gave them stock.

They stuck with him. And they all became multi, multi-megamillionaires. I mean, 100 people, 200 people. It's seriously like the best book ever. It's very very simple And it relates to today Nothing's different This is the same story that's right here

It started Back on Campbell Street And it started slow There was times when Andrew came to me And said I'm not doing this no more I can't do it every week I'm talking back when it was nickels and dimes. And I said, what the fuck else you know?

Nothing. Sometimes it still comes down to that. And you've got to stick to what you know. What the fuck do you know? No, but it's a journey, and it's a journey, and it's a long journey. It's not short. I always tell the story of the rabbit and the hare. I'm not going to tell it here, but to these young guys out here, I mean, I talked to all those young guys at

some time or another, and it's about them. It's what you said, Sal, about teaching them their own value and learning how to do it. Everybody wants to work smart or thinks they're smart. They all think they work hard back there. They all think they're the hardest workers in the world. And you've got to learn how, how from somebody that's done it, some old person, a book, somewhere. And you learn right here. And I tell these guys all the time, the meeting we had last Monday here with Andrew and Sal back-to-back,

and if you guys didn't get together on it, you were mentally together on it, it was the best talk ever and i went i went outside and told those guys hey this is about you you should pay each one each one of you guys should pay andrew and sell 500 bucks for listening no that's what i tell them i say you gotta be you should be paying them it is interesting sometimes no wait all do you say oh i get it i get it i get it again no i don't know if they do but that's fine because dude you can't understand something that you don't have the perspective to understand there's few guys that get those kind of things there's other guys who hear it and just do it because the guys that get it are doing it and then there's a few guys that are always going to fall off and what happens is the guys who get it from the beginning will lead the guys who don't get it but are just following.

And eventually those guys who are following will become leaders and it progresses naturally that way. That's just how it works. Yeah. So with you, dude, what's something that somebody could take 10 minutes of their life this week that will improve the overall quality of their life? 10 minutes? 10 minutes. Fuck, I don't know, man. Or maybe half an hour.

Dude, I mean, look, I think the best thing that you can do, this is the best thing for me. I can't speak for everybody, but I can say for me. So I have a natural tendency to not like people, like, a lot. It's just, dude, it comes with the territory.

Like, when you deal with a certain, I deal with mass numbers of people, right? So when you deal with mass numbers of people, the percentage of dumb motherfuckers that you have to deal with is exponentially larger than an average person. So I'm dealing with a lot more fucking of the shit that everybody hates all the time

just by sheer volume. So the thing that i try to do that really helps me feel better is that i try to talk to people this sounds stupid as fuck but it's what i do i try to talk to people i never met before and have a conversation with them because it makes me feel that people are good you know what i'm saying and because like if i have someone like because i drive cool cars and stuff all the time i'm if you don't what i'm saying and because like if i have someone like because i drive cool cars and stuff all the time i'm if you don't know i'm a huge car guy uh slash collector slash enthusiast or whatever you want to call it so when i drive my cars all over i'll have i'll always have

people to make comments and they'll say hey that's cool car this or that and i always try to talk to them i'll shake their hand and i'll say, hey, what was your favorite car? And have a conversation. And people always end up walking away super fucking happy. Like you just met another. And obviously during the conversation, I'm going to introduce myself. So I made another fan of me in the meantime. So it's practical too. But I do it for selfish reasons.

Not because I get a fan, but, or a supporter or a customer, but because it makes me fucking have faith in humanity when I am inundated with fucking nonsense all the time. You know what I'm saying? So I think if you're struggling, one of the most effective things you can do. And one of the things I tell my buddies who asked me like when they're struggling, what to do is a tool that I used to do to get good in business actually and what I would do was I would go to my local grocery store here and we would I would go in there and I would make myself talk to three people that I didn't know okay so I would have to initiate three conversations randomly and I know this sounds weird if you're like listening you're like why this sounds fucking weird but I know this sounds weird if you're like listening, you're like, why this sounds fucking weird. But I did this for a number of reasons.

One, it helped me approach people. It helped me better with make, get better with people. Two, it made me less afraid to approach people in any scenario, including my social life. Three, um, it was, it made me feel good because it's always cool to have an interaction with someone you don't know and it ends up going well. So I did it as practice because I'm not naturally good with people. So if you say, well, what can someone do 30 minutes a week that makes a fucking huge difference in how they see the world? That's what I would recommend because I think it really helps you not just develop skills and it's good

for your business, your personal brand, whatever it is that you do. But man, it really makes you feel good to know that like there's random people out there that are just cool as fuck like dave when we met those dudes at the photo shoot we you know what i'm saying we met these two guys who were uh me and madat and dave were down there shooting pictures at the new warehouse and we met a couple guys who were operators we never met before they didn't look like us they didn't talk like us they were fucking nothing like us all right but they're huge car fanatics and they came over and they asked if they could see the car and i'm like yeah and we started talking to them and guess what they were cool as shit and they had all kinds of cool stories and

we all three walked away at the end and we didn't say oh dude we got all these cool pictures oh we got this or that we said damn dude that was fucking cool and it wasn't because those guys were cool we were saying it was cool that we met people that were so different than us that ended up having so much in common so that's what i would say with 30 minutes of your time i love it man yeah i i'll go ahead jim yeah i want to comment comment on this because i get asked this all the time frequently like really is this, really? Is this like how people do on Instagram, where they say, everybody's been asking, but nobody asked? No, no, nobody asked. This would even be a topic to talk about.

So do people actually ask you this? Yeah, oh yeah. Okay, all right. In this frame, it's not the exact question, but it's close. What's the difference between Andrew and Sal? And I always tell them, nothing. They're so similar, it's not funny. And

I said, the main difference is Andrew acts like he doesn't like people, but he really does. And when he gets into sales mode, he's as good as Sal is. Now, you guys can just dispute that back and forth. He's already going to shoot me for saying that. But no, it is the same. How would I shoot you? No, I think that's

a good assessment. I don't think that's unfair. Yeah, I think that's a good assessment. I do that to keep motherfuckers away from me that are fucking annoying. Well, you know what I mean. Yeah. I think you can have two different people can both like people, but you can have one can be an introvert who's actually

depleted by people. Believe it or not, I was thinking about this this morning when I was working out because today was one of those days where I made it a point to talk to people like actually what I'm talking about I was actually think if I'm being completely transparent and honest I think I thought that I didn't like people I don't think I was pretending i think i actually believe that until i realized like recently more recently in my life that i'm like actually dude i really like people a lot i just don't like dumb motherfuckers well and i think there's a lot of them out there there is a well that's what i said so now i look at it a little bit differently i look at it instead of so so

i'm do you understand what i'm saying because because i'm exposed to more people i'm exposed to more of that right by by just numbers but i like what you were saying i've broken this down i've just not understood it before yeah it makes sense and what i like about what you're saying is that because there are a lot of people out there not maybe not the majority but the it always seems like the people that are the dumbest are the loudest and they get the most attention so we actually have to the people that are the dumbest are the loudest, and they get the most attention. So we actually have to be intentional about finding the good people. I love people that bring value.

And I'm not talking about value like buy me a fucking steak or drive me or give me something or take my— I'm talking about if you're going to talk to me, talk to me about something that's relevant or cool or like we can both talk about. Like, don't just stand there and like look at me and say some dumb ass shit. Yeah. Like, I'm not fucking, I'm a regular motherfucker. And those are adder people. There's takers and there's adders. You're talking about adder people.

Those adder people are always fun. The adder people are always fun to talk to and they're adders, not a taker. Dude, I sent Sal a screenshot last night, like four or five times a day. This is just for an example. I sent it to you too, didn't I? So four or five times a day, I get a fucking email or a fucking DM of someone that has painted this fucking huge, like life altering story about their life, which is essentially like a sales pitch that they need money.

I get it all the time. And it's just like, like, well, that was my, that was where my point was going to go is like, I, I genuinely love people,

but I understand because, and I, and I, you know, seeing it from, from the perspective of when people are always trying to take and take and take, which when you're exposed to more people and people know that you're somebody who, well, and I've struggled with this lately because like, you know, I'm, I'm building the new building and I have to deal with all the people, the high volumes of people that just want shit from you.

Now they're your best friend because you can give something to them. Yeah. And it, it, it wears on you. That part gets old. Oh bro. You know how many motherfuckers I've heard from in the last six months because we're building that building. It's the same as you.

Everybody who, when we were fucking trying, when we were struggling, couldn't find any motherfucking customers. Where were these motherfuckers? Right. You know what I'm saying? But now that we can, now we're building a fucking 30 million dollar building and they got a business that runs this they want us to like they expect it and if we don't do it you're you guys are assholes no motherfucker we just have a long memory well and that's why i like what i've learned you

know i really love about people is i love people that don't know who I am, you know, or don't know what we do or don't know. I do too. And you really, that's the best kind. That's the thing that, you know, when you sit down and you really start to see struggles that other people face and you get to have commonality and you get to really have and understand their struggles and then help, you know, talk through them. And then you build that bond. Like to me, that's what you crave. That's what like the randomness. And I mean, you know that I do like the randomness of talking to people. I'll talk to fucking anybody. Dude, I can remember specific conversations that would otherwise be meanless conversations

with people that I never met only because they don't know who the fuck I am. And they talk genuinely to me. Way more authentic conversation. No. So like I'm going to tell you an example. So I remember this year when I was in Idaho, in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho for our taste syndicate. And the first day we got there, we went out on the fucking patio because we got there like three hours before

we could get into our rooms. There's all kinds of people that are in our group out there. And there was a couple in the corner that were not in our group. And so I was standing between the couple and the group and the guy who was over there. He's like, Hey, what the fuck is all this shit, man? Everybody, like, all these people, they're all wearing the shirts. What is that thing?

What is that? And I'm like, well, it's a business group. And I explained it to him. And he's like, oh, so why did you join? He didn't know that it was my group and Ed's group. He just thought I was a dude that was there to learn some shit. So I just played along. And I'm like, well like well you know we learned this and this and this and he's like fuck that's really cool and dude i never told him like hey like you know i'm the

fucking guy like i never did that shit and he started telling me about tarzan stuff no dude i was just keeping it cool and it was really cool because like he was telling me all about, um, you know, his family and his bit. And he ended up being an entrepreneur and there's a lot of wealthy people at that Lake. And, he was telling me about all the shit he did.

And we had an awesome conversation just about like bullshit, you know, and his name was Jim. I remember the guy's name, you know, and we sat there and we talked and, and I, but I,

those conversations are so rare for me at this point that conversations that don't have an agenda of some sort or a context of some sort that deals with me either controlling or directing someone's future or paying them or or benefiting them in some sort like dude i don't have them and so like they stand out to me because of that you know and and that's why i know the value in it and that's why when you said 30 minutes what would i do well fuck i'm gonna go find some random motherfuckers i don't know to talk to so i can remember that there's some nice people out there yeah you know good stuff i think uh i think we should probably end on that but uh before we do, how do you keep your marriage romantic?

Take them to hotel rooms, babe. All right. I think we already answered that, didn't we? More hotels, more often. I like hotels. Sex on the beach. That's why they call it the hotel. That's right.

Vaughn, what are you going to ask me that question? Hey, listen. No, I'm not going to ask you that question. What's funny is he talks about how he learns from all his mistakes. He fucking failed on that one. No, I'm a total success now. I learned. I'm not anti-marriage.

I'm not anti-marriage. Marriage is really, really great. But I haven't been married since 1985. Who's counting? It's probably the only date he remembers. He doesn't know your birthday, he doesn't know my birthday, but he knows that fucking day. I was married twice.

It cost me a lot of money both times, and it ain't going to cost me no more money. So, number three. Hey, wait, don't you have a song about this? Yeah. Yeah, give me some money, give me some money for me, me, me, me, not you, you, you, give me some money. But I do, I think there is a lesson.

By the way, that song is fucking famous in these parts. Yes. There's a lesson here. You know, we grew up, we didn't grow up in like a bad, you know, abusive, divorced childhood state, which a lot of people do. But, you know, in my life, like I didn't want to be divorced. I wanted to raise. No, but we did grow up in a divorced family no of course no i'm saying what you said you the way you said that made it sound like we didn't grow up sorry yeah we grew i don't have i really

only have one or two memories of my mom and dad being together so i don't really even know it any differently right um but like i think for me you know i think this is a product of environment you know just because you grew up one way it doesn't mean you have to be that way you know and so like i always wanted to be married and you know and be because you grew up one way, it doesn't mean you have to be that way, you know? And so like, I always wanted to be married and, you know, and, and be in that household environment and raise my kids and do all that stuff. It's not how I was raised, but it's what I wanted. And so I had to make that change. And so, you know, that I hate to say it, but the teacher of being a dog is sitting to my left. He taught me the basics on how to be a dog. I learned the basics. Yeah.

I got the Arte version of dog by the time I was about 16. I thought it was a rabbit. Yeah, whatever. But then I realized, hey, I had to make a change. You know what I mean? I had to get uncomfortable, make an adjustment, and then go that way. And so I think it's a good lesson for just because XYZ Y, Z does not mean that's what you have to be. Well, I think it alternates generations. I mean, dude, if you look at even wealth, wealth alternates generations.

It's actually like you can look it up and see it. If people are self-made, the second generation business usually fucks it up. And then the people, their kids see it fucked up. And these kids say, I'm not going to fuck that up. And they people their kids see it fucked up and these kids say i'm not gonna fuck that up and they go out and create it again and it alternate that's typically how that works it also seems to work like that i don't know the stats so it could be fucking totally wrong but with divorce i see a lot of people who have happily married married parents they end up with divorces then the kids of theirs end up not wanting to divorce so they end up with divorces. Then the kids of theirs end up not wanting to divorce.

So they end up with the happily married situation. You see what I'm saying? I see a lot of that. I don't know what the statistics are or anything like that, but I mean, it's an observation that I noticed in real life. Yeah. And obviously you would agree that if you happen to be the son or daughter of a happily married couple, doesn't mean you absolutely have to get divorced you know it but uh no it would be interesting to see the stats on that yeah i was gonna say to kind of get myself out of hot water here if i am you don't have to justify yourself hey you did good but my last girlfriend i've been with the girl i've been with now for 20 years and and i could easily have divorced her a couple of times. Oh yeah. I would say that. I think you tried to. Well, I know I'm not, I'm not married to her, but, but, but, but she tried to divorce you and you went crawling back. Do you remember that time

Sal fucking, uh, when, when he got home from Nashville and, and he went in the house and Wendy packed up all his shit, told him, get the fuck out of his own house. I remember yesterday. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's what happened. I remember getting a phone call, somebody all panicky, panicky. Yeah. What do you put on Facebook? Dad, I don't even know what you're talking about. He's fucking freezing up. None of this shit happened.

They're making that stuff up. They're making that as bullshit, man. Jim, I just fact-checked it. That's true. I got something for you. I can't say it on radio. We're not on the radio. I can't say it on radio. We're not on the radio. I can't say it on the internet.

Send you a telegram. If this point hasn't been made already in the course of this conversation, obviously- I've changed my ways. Human beings are complex creatures and we're not going to be good at everything. We're going to excel in certain aspects of our lives and there's going to be other areas of our lives that are areas of growth. You should always be growing. Yeah, you should always be growing.

And speaking of growing, I've got a new feature on andyfrasella.com that you can maybe drop some information for the people. The Andygram. Oh, the Andygram. Yeah, man, that's cool. Yeah, so basically it's my new blog platform that I'm going to be posting all my meaningful content on. Um, I'm tired of my, you know, the things I write on

Instagram and the videos I post, I don't feel like Instagram is favorable. I know for a fact, they're not favorable towards my style of content. Um, and so I just pull it all and put it over on the blog and I'm going to deliver it to people every day. And, you know, it's just the same kind of stuff, but evolved. You know, the stuff that you guys are used to seeing is four and five years old. You know, there's a new there's there's a there's a new skill here. I practiced a little bit over the time and I'm really excited about the content I'm be putting on that platform. So if you're into the personal development, I want to learn how to fucking win shit which is the mfco project you know um a lot of similar content over there but also mixed with our kind of content here you know just real life shit more more so dude just kind

of think of it like a blog but with pictures and videos and stuff and and uh basically it's a fucking blog i was gonna say yeah so if you want to it, it's andyfrisella.com. Final words, Sal, Jim, Andy, we're going to wrap it up. Life's like a tree. You're either growing or you're dying. Nice. Jim? It's just been fun today.

It's been fun to be with the boys. If we had a few beers to go with it, it would be a lot more fun. There's been some. You didn't have any beers? No. No, listen, no. I'm In about

It's fucking late enough For beers It's 2.08pm I gotta brag I'll have a commercial here For my transformation I'm down 22 pounds You are?

Yeah That's pretty awesome dude Look at this Look at these I can tell you're getting more jacked Yeah I can tell you're getting jacked Your chest looks kinda nice I'm you know

Yeah What do you think Tyler? You want to slugger one of them titties huh? Oh shit Dad Yvonne's asked you to put on a A furry costume Watch out looks kind of nice. I'm, you know. What do you think? You want to slug one of them titties, huh? Oh, shit. Dad, if Vons asks you to put on a furry costume, watch out. Hey, you want to dance?

No furry for me. All right, well, so Jim, that's it? That's it. What do you want, man? Nothing else? How much am I getting paid today? Same amount you got paid

yesterday, by the way. Yeah, exactly. All right, Andy, final word. Ah, look, man. You guys out there take a shit too serious. All right, Andy, final word. Look, man, you guys out there take a shit too serious. Like, you know, don't worry about what other people are doing or saying, you know, and try to figure out what it is that you like. I think there's a lot of people out there trying to tell you how to live.

But what they should be telling you is go out and how to learn how to live in the way that you want to live. And, uh, you know, that requires different contexts and different versions of you all the time. And that doesn't mean you're being fake. It doesn't mean you're being inauthentic. It doesn't mean you're being disingenuous. It means you're applying the tool where it needs to be fucking applied. And that's perfectly okay. So don't feel like you need to put on a furry costume to go out and dance your ass off or hang out with people because the reality is, is fucking everybody wants to do that anyway. So don't worry about what other people say and the people who are keeping you, you know, that one guy who said that one thing to you, that one time that has you thinking in the back of your brain that you can't do this or that or this, you know what? Fuck that guy.

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