REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 533. #75HARD vs Bishoi Khella

Episode Date: June 18, 2023

In today's episode, Andy is joined in the studio by Bishoi Khella. They discuss what led Bishoi to gain an excess amount of weight, the mindset shift that took place as a result of doing the 75 HARD program, and how getting in shape has helped him as an entrepreneur.

What is up guys, it's Andy Frisella and this is the show for the realest, say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness and delusions of modern society and welcome to motherfucking reality guys. Today we have a very, very special episode of 75 Hard Verses. I want to get right into it. I don't want to waste any time on the introduction. If you want to hear the introduction, go listen to all the other shows I did. I have a very, very, very special guest here today.

You guys have seen me share his story. It was incredibly impactful for me and in fact if you follow me on social media you know that like when i first saw it it made me like legitimately emotional where i cried and um it's it's it's an honor to have you here man uh i got my good friend here bashoi from toronto who's lost how much weight? 160 pounds, 160 pounds, man. And completely reclaimed his life. Um, brother, first of all, before I even get into the show, you know, I do this for a living. Like I see people change their lives for, okay.

I'm very fortunate. I get to see it all the time. Very, very rarely at this point, do I see a transformation that affects me in the way that yours did because I identified with it personally so much. And, um, bro, I know what that battle's about. I know how fucking hard that is. I know how hard it is to live that other life. And, uh, dude, just total respect for what you've done.

Appreciate you, man. It means a lot, bro. It's, you're going to change a lot of people's lives with that work that you've done. Appreciate you, man. It means a lot, bro. You're going to change a lot of people's lives with that work that you've done. I mean, a lot. And I don't know that you actually understand how many and how impactful what you've done is going to be. But it's fucking amazing, man. And it's an honor to have you here.

Bro, it's an honor to be here, man. What you guys have built is actually incredible. Just walking around in this facility is like a breath of fresh air bro like everyone is on the same mission it's like i've never seen anything like this it's insane thank you bro thank you been a long road yeah but all the worthwhile things are a long road for sure man for sure so dude so let's let's just start at the beginning man you know how'd you get so fucking fat bro that's a fucking good question bro i just want to be real because like i got a story about my fatness too man no bro i grew up as the fat kid like 16 or sorry from 0 to 16 years old i was the fat kid but i was a funny fat kid so i wasn't getting picked

on or anything like that but i had a great childhood but at 16 i realized man like if i was gonna get any girls bro i gotta get in shape yeah and so from 16 i just went on a grind so i was in high school at the time and we would i would run around the high school track during my lunch and then after school i'd crush the weights at the gym in our school and then bro i did that from 16 to 22 i was on top of all my shit for like five years living breathing fitness i'd go home watch kai green videos ronnie coleman phil heath like this was my life for five five six years and then man and at 22 i started my business got a girlfriend at the same time and i went from a broke college kid to making like i was living off a thousand

bucks a semester to finally pulling in some money like we we got we saw instant results like it's not the typical yeah well it's different time bro you guys got the technology stuff and it's you know everybody's story's a little different exactly man like we didn't struggle that hard like i everyone talks about their come-up story being such a difficult thing and we got just super blessed and so we started making money right away and so now i just had access to money so bro uber eats every meal like i did not give a every meal was take out and then that just slowly snowballed into five years of me just being 350 pounds and people think i got to 350 pounds in five years no bro it was literally within one year i gained like

120 pounds just fucking full 180 the opposite direction bro that's very similar what i did too it's wild man yeah and just doing that and then also getting the girlfriend was part of the issue because i the first weight loss i did was because to try to get girls right so once i got the girlfriend once i had the business started making money i felt like i made it i didn't need to do the things that got me to that place. I didn't need to continue doing that anymore. And so, bro, one workout, I'd skip a workout to kind of work on my business and just rationalize. Like, yo, it's okay.

One day you need to get this done. You need to get this done. It just snowballed and snowballed. And I was 350 pounds, bro. Life got fucked. Like at 350 pounds, I was like avoiding 350 pounds i would i was like avoiding mirrors i'd hop out of the shower dude i'd hop out of the shower put my shirt on before i popped in front of the mirror but to fix my hair or some like that's how bad it was i would take ubers

to places that were five minute walks away legit to the point where my friends would get there first walking and they'd get the table and then i'd go sit with them and I'd be late because I was waiting for the Uber. I can't even think of all the other fuck things that happened. Like, bro, I would be sitting on my couch thirsty as fuck, like so thirsty. And I'd wait for someone to get up so I could be like, yo, yo, grab me a water real quick. And it's not like at 350 pounds, bro, you're, you can get up. It's just, that was the sheer level of laziness I was in. Like, you're not fucking 700 pounds. You can get up. You know that was the sheer level of laziness i was in like yeah you're not fucking 700 pounds you could get up yeah you know what i mean it's just that's how different my life was yeah and like bro a day in the life of beach back then like i'd wake up i'd roll over in bed instantly in the uber eats app like as if it was like some fucking social

media app like i was looking through all the food bro you just fucking like like brought me back to like a memory that i the shit i used to do yeah you said that because like bro i used to wake up and like the first thing i thought about was what the fuck i was gonna eat for real like the first thing ever it hasn't been a long time since i thought that way honestly forgot about it same yeah it's like the first thing i do now is wake up chug a water and instantly go for my morning run like it's such a different mindset shit but yeah bro i'd i'd crush i'd uber or order whatever i had on uber eats then go to the balcony smoke a shit ton of cigarettes chug a bunch of coffees and literally

just wait for the food to arrive i'd grab it from the door take it to my bedroom sit on my laptop just work all day while i'm munching that shit and that was my life like literally every single day i worked from home i didn't we didn't have an office we don't have an office we just worked from home so i was in bed most of the day just crushing work on my laptop while eating food and every meal was like an all-you-can-eat buffet like yeah you were ordering all the appetizers oh yeah it wasn't like same shit yeah it wasn't like you know i'm ordering one sandwich like bro it was an all-you-can-eat buffet i was brimming all day yeah I get it dude I was that's how I was eating too um your story is very parallel to mine um I get I went I was an athlete I was always in pretty decent shape and I would struggle my

weight I grew up fucking chubby right so it was always a fight for me and then I would go from these phases of losing weight gaining weight losing weight gaining weight and i could never shift my mental to the point where i could keep it off like it would it was always like when i finished and this is why i get so pissed off when i see people finish 75 hard and go right back to their old shit like oh i'm celebrating with a cake and a bottle of whiskey it's like bro you just spent 75 days working to get away from that shit that made you fucking miserable you go right back to it and like because i could never conquer that i could never conquer the once i got into shape now it's time to party mindset right and it would just lead me right back to the same thing

over and over and over again and then i didn did like you like you did i got wrapped up in business and uh i put on a hundred fucking pounds in like a year yeah gas station food and fucking bullshit you know what i'm saying like like for real dude like they built a quick trip right we got gas station circle quick trip yeah and they got fucking roller food i love i love cheap roller food bro like i'm like a fucking you know i don't know it's like my jam i get in there jalapeno chips and yeah 5 000 calories i go there two three times a day yeah you know what i'm saying that's that's crazy dude um so what you're clearly a different person now because like you're not just on it you're staying like it's not a like, you're not just on it. You're staying like, it's not a, this is, you're not going back. No. Um, this last time that you decided that,

okay, I'm fucking doing this. How did that come about? Bro. So I had like a bunch of wake up calls throughout, like the whole five years I was fat, there was a bunch of wake up calls, but they never stuck. Cause nothing gave me the structure I needed to actually make it a lifelong thing. Like, bro, I tell this story all the time, which is actually fucked. Like I, one day I'm like working on my laptop, right? I'm just crushing work. And I, I feel like this white flashing light in my eyes. So I go to the bathroom to see like, what's going on? Do I have something in my eye? And then all of a sudden this huge gush rushes

down my entire body and I'm in pure panic mode. I'm like, holy fuck, I'm about to die. I call my boy Mike and I'm like, bro, I'm dying. Call 911. I think I'm having a stroke. I'm having a heart attack. And I was so scared that I would pass out before the paramedics came. So I bust open the door and I go downstairs to meet the paramedics in the front of the building. And I'm sitting there in the back of the ambulance in the gurney strapped up to a shit ton of machines, like my chest, everything. They're checking my blood pressure, my heart rate, EKGs. And bro, I kid you not sitting in that gurney, my heart rate was 180 beats per minute, just fucking chilling in that gurney. And then bro, I was terrified. I'm calling my brother. I'm saying

like, yo, I love you, bro. I'm about to die. Like say bye to mom and dad. Like I was, I thought that was it for me. We get to the hospital and you know, they run every single test in the book, like everything. And it turns out nothing, nothing's physically wrong with me. And it turned out to be just a panic attack. And I've never had that, bro. I like, I didn't grow up with anxiety or depression or anything like that. So I don't know what that felt like. And that was the scariest moment in my life. And bro, looking back to that day, I'm like, why did that happen? And like, what I think is the reason is because I lost all sense of confidence in my health. I knew I wasn't healthy anymore. And so I had no trust in my health anymore. And if anyone knows me for the whole year after that panic attack, I had a rough

year, bro. I had panic attacks almost every single day like every fucking little twitch in my arm or every little twitch in my eye paranoid i start fucking tweaking i'm like yo yo this is it i'm about to die like everything for every single day for a whole year yeah and it wasn't until i started getting my health in order a little bit not this was before 75 hard but it was like i'd work out for three four days a week like it was never full ass where it was a lifestyle change i was still the fat kid who worked out occasionally and so that was enough to keep me coasting for another three years where like i'm not about to break down mentally and that was it man like that was my life and so what really got me started was on a trip to mexico we

were all chilling with the boys like we end up going and this is a prime of covid and so we used to go to these resorts to party like we were partying from this morning till night like drinking all day eating like shit we get to this resort and no one's on the resort except like a bunch of older people it's like a chill vibe it was prime covid and um we get there and like the the whole trip changed from being like a party trip to being like an enjoy. Let's relax. Let's let's explore the city. And bro, I couldn't walk for 10 fucking minutes without my back flaring up. Like everything was a mission.

People, all the boys want to do like skidoos, jet skis, all that shit. And I, I couldn't do that. Like holding yourself on a jet ski while it's going forward, you'll falling off the back. Like everything was a mission. I came back from that trip and I'm like, bro, this is fucked. Like you couldn't even enjoy a vacation. How are you going to live the rest of your life like this? So I started working out on my own for, from February to about March. And then March, my boy, Mike started asked me to do 75 hard with him again. He was doing his second round and bro, a little story on that, man, it's actually

nuts. So he did 75 hard. He's literally the epitome of what you talk about, which is lead by example. He's did 75 hard in November before the year I did it. And he was alone in the trenches. No one was helping him. In fact, bro, I'm embarrassed to say this because this is fucking embarrassing given how, how my life has changed significantly. But at the time we're all chilling, my boy's having a barbecue in his backyard and we're all chilling. We're drinking, we're eating like shit. And Mike's in my boy's home gym doing a second workout of the day. And I go into the workout to the home gym. And I'm like, bro, like we're fucking chilling. Like come drink with us,

come party with us, come eat with us. Like just make it 76 hard make it another day like what's what's one day gonna do and bro like this is that's how much i had never kept a promise you were that guy bro like it's actually embarrassing now that i look back we've all been that guy before bro it's so embarrassing and bro had i successfully sabotaged him like how like you got to be careful who the fuck you're sabotaging because your boys if you're friends with people as a team when one person's winning everyone's winning that's right and so you got to be careful who you're sabotaging because if i had successfully sabotaged him i wouldn't be sitting here right now yeah i'd still be 350 pounds looking the exact same or i might even be dead who knows bro that's fucking awesome yeah that's an awesome story bro thank you man it says a lot about mike too bro yeah pushing through that shit because that's hard that's

hard to resist it is bro you know when you're when you're fucking homies are like bro come on like you only live once exactly like bro live a little life you know all my friends stop saying that shit to me they know it don't work no more it doesn't man yeah it's funny because everyone at the beginning when you're just starting out something yeah everyone's like not sure because you've said it a hundred fucking times no one believes you anymore you know what i mean like you've said it a hundred times yeah and so eventually though when you've been on your shit for so long they don't even try anymore no one even asks like bro when people know i'm on program they don't even ask me to chill anymore like i'm like i'm on the program that's it bro i'm. I'm hustling now. So it was crazy. Like

people start respecting you and respecting your word when you start respecting your own bro. Exactly, dude. I just wrote about this this morning in my fucking post. When I was out doing my ruck, I was talking about how the world will see you as you see you. People think that the world sees you a certain way and that that's how you are. And then you have to change it. That's not how it works. When you see yourself a certain way, the world sees you a certain way and then that's how you are and then you have to change it that's not how it works when you see yourself a certain way the world respects that and sees you that way as well and that goes for your habits your lifestyle or anything you're trying to work on and so like we create the image that the world accepts and other people think that the world tells us what to be and i think there is two classes of people right you have a class of people

that understand like no you i'm fucking become what I want to become. And that's the small percentage. And then the rest of the percentage, the world tells them, no, three or four times they're like, okay, I'm just going to take my place over here and be little and, you know, be small, live small, you know, and just be a regular person. And, you know, then they're like, why, why is my life like this? Well, fuck bro, because you're not seeing yourself as the way you should be. And, and, and if you can't see yourself that way, then you need to build yourself into someone that you can see that way. And, and dude, that's the whole game. Um, it's crazy that you just said that. Cause I was writing about this

morning. It was on my mind. So how did it go? Your first 75 hard, man. Like what were your weight at? Bro? I was like, I think I started out like three 50 or like tell what were your weight at bro like i think i started out like 350 yeah or like 330 i might have lost like 20 pounds in the first month when we got back from mexico so maybe like 330 and bro it was hard man like i chose the hardest thing to do which was running like i even to this day bro i still fucking hate running it is like i'm i'm a heavy dude we're not i'm not like a fucking 140 pounds like running runner right so like i don got the runner build, but it was the hardest thing for me to do. And it pushed me mentally like to the brink of death every day. And so every day I went out and did that and came back and, you know, check that win under my belt, it made regular life easier. Like I could walk around

now. And so that was my goal. i consistently chased hard for the whole 75 days every single day for that 75 days i ran in the morning except with the exception of when i got covid i had to do two walks that day and i was out like i had fucking a fever like highest fever i would literally walk in the morning go home do the rest of my tasks then go to sleep for the rest of the day wake up do the second walk for an hour and then just come home and k like for three days but bro it's funny because i just baby stepped it for a whole you know how many times i asked myself or told myself i was going to walk for those 75 days bro like fucking 50 out of the 75 days but i never actually walked it's like all about just baby stepping it

yeah and so like i just tricked my mind play these mental games like yo i'm gonna go for a walk today today's just take it easy bro it's gonna be a walk that you get out there and then bro i'm already out here can i walk for 10 minutes or can i run for 10 minutes and then you know just you just slowly etch it until 45 minutes we're up because every day was a struggle bro like i'm not even to the point where i had anxiety when i woke up and i'm like holy fuck bro like everything hurt You know, everything hurt. Yeah. Bro, my shirt, because I had big tits back then, bro.

They would move up and down. So my shirt would be rubbing up against my nipple. Yeah. And it would. Tearing them up. Yeah. It was my whole sweater was bloody. My shoes, like my white shoes got so bloody.

From blisters. From blisters and from my feet swelling up that my toes like crossed over each other. And so they were just scratching. Yeah. It was like that, man. blisters from blisters and from my feet swelling up that my toes like crossed over each other and so they were just scratching yeah it was like that man the feet was a big thing for me the first fucking time i did it too bro yeah like that feet thing it took me like 30 days to get through for sure it was bad the first 15 days if you're not trained for it are fucking brutal on your feet for sure and shin splints too man shin splints were hectic yeah yeah man that was like the whole 75 days and bro i remember that

day 76 so i had a plan that i was gonna do a half marathon and i was still heavy as shit like probably pushing like 280 290 at that point i was gonna do a half marathon on day 76 and this is like a testament to how great this fucking program is into switching your mind because bro i would skip workouts if my headphones were dead. Like that's how me too. Yeah. My headphones are dead, bro. What do you mean? I can't work out. And so on day 76, I plan to do a half marathon. That's that bitch voice, bro. Bro, for real. Yeah. You don't, it's, we get in these zones, man, where we don't even realize how powerful, like we, the, the boss voice that we all have is so fucking weak that we don't even hear it anymore.

Exactly. My fucking headphones. Think about how that sounds now. That sounds stupid, bro. It sounds ridiculous. Even running in the rain. Yeah. Bro, what the fuck?

Just a couple of drops on your head, that's what's going to stop you from going out and do that workout? Yeah. But back then, it seems like such a real- No, because we're looking for any reason, bro, to cop out because we're fucking lazy. Real shit, man. I get it, dude. I was lazy like like that too bro like i fucking know exactly what like dude

that's why when i saw your shit it made me fucking break down because i'm like fuck because like bro it's different when you see someone who's kind of gone on the same journey like the exact same journey that you were on like there's a lot of people who have changed and done amazing things and i see that all the time but when i see someone that looked like me that fucking did that work like bro it just it was fucking awesome dude because i knew i already knew right away what the fuck it took you know and it fucking took every it takes everything i went to war for two straight years yeah bro like every day people say like you know don't lose weight you're gonna you're gonna lose your funniness you know it's kind of true because bro i have like ptsd i've been at war for two

straight years like i'm not as funny as i used to be now yeah like that's what it was but yeah that's 70 the day 76 when i was gonna run that half marathon so i woke up on day 75 and i'm like i look at the weather app and day 75 today is raining it's pouring it's one of the colder days of the year and day 76 tomorrow is sunny and shit i could have just stuck to that plan but i'm like bro the whole point of this program was to chase hard to do the harder thing and so i'm like fuck it we're doing it today's day 75 we're picking the harder day and i ran that half marathon out like probably 280 290 pounds took me three hours my My shit was all bloody, but I still finished. And it was fucking, it was like, bro, I was, I was broken physically,

but I was smiling ear to ear. That's how proud I was of myself. Yeah, bro. It's step by step systematically rebuild the confidence or if you've never had it before, build it because dude, every time you go out and do that run, every time you go out and defeat that voice that says no dude your headphones are fucking broke right or dude i got blisters or my feet and and dude every single time bro you make a deposit into that boss voice and it gets stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger to the point now we're like bro like you can't be fucked with like no x like nope like i know for you, it's the same. Like there's nothing anyone could say to me to get me off my fucking program.

Fucking nothing. It doesn't matter who it is. Like Jesus could come down and be like, stop your shit. And I'd be like, I'm like, sorry, bro. I'll commit it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's a different thing. And when we give ourselves the ability to rebuild

that side of our brain that voice in our brain it really removes the limits of anything that we choose to do and that's what i'm curious to hear about dude like how has this affected you in terms of your confidence and and maybe your relationships with other people and, and dude, your relationships with like, you know, uh, food and, and things like that. So with food specifically, man, like I literally just don't look at food anymore as like a source of dopamine or try to spike my dopamine through food. Now, like it's literally, how do I fuel my body? I eat to fuel my body for peak performance. Cause I'm every day right now, I'm still running, you know, uh, you guys do miles here. So 6.2 miles a day and then working out for an hour.

So like, I literally need to fuel my body for peak performance, not to just like spike my dopamine because bro, that shit never lasts. And you feel like shit right after. So my relationship with food has completely changed. Like, I don't look at it the same. It's not a source of happiness for me anymore, which is like a wild thing to feel. And so in terms of confidence, like I say this all the time too, because what this program gave me was the confidence I needed. I'm not talking social confidence, like going up to like a girl and saying, hi, I'm talking confidence in your own word, being committed to whatever the fuck you're saying you're going to do. Like now I know anything that I say I'm going to do will 100% get done. Like there's no doubt in my mind. And that's what this program has given me.

It's like confidence in everything. And it's funny, bro, looking back to how I used to run my life and how you do one thing is how you do everything. And I used to run my business the same way I ran my life. Quick, instant gratification type of shit yeah fake sales on my site 24 7 fucking up to 90 off fake countdown timers like all these sales gimmicks that get you that quick sale that quick conversion hack but bro at the end of the day all you're building is a fucking bargain bin at that point you're not building a brand you're not building any some anything with any sort of substance some soul that actually adds value to people's life. And that was the same way.

I was trying to get my instant gratification hit. I need my sales up, bro. Let me put the fake sale up as quick as possible. And so right now, bro, we scrapped all that shit. We went back from the ground up. And it kind of sucks because I wish I could sit here and be like, yo, as soon as I did 75 Hard, man, my business skyrocketed. But if you think about it, man,

like I have a seven year business now that I've had to scrap and build back from the ground up because we didn't have a good foundation to start off at. But I know for fucking sure in the next three to five years, I will be in a much better place than I was now had I continued on with that shit. Cause now I actually add value to people's life. I want to change someone's life. And so when that becomes your focus, and I know you say this all the time, when that becomes your focus, everything changes, not even financially too for you. Yes. It's like a win-win for everyone. Yeah. It's dude. Look, I think, you know, the business aspect that you're talking about is the number one misunderstood thing, especially amongst young people in business. They chase the carrot, they chase the quick fix. They want to run the sale,

the things that you're talking about without ever thinking of longevity. And bro, we're going to be doing this for a long time. Your reputation's worth a lot. Like it's important to build something that actually helps people and then let them spread the word for you. And I think that's the biggest thing that a business can do is just commit to providing the most amount of value that you can for the customer. And if you think about what capitalism actually is, that's what it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be a trick. Hey, you know, buy my shit. And then we deliver something that's not that right. It's supposed to be, Hey, people are trading money for something of value and dude when you give something of value over the long haul the money always is there it's just always there so it's cool to hear that you're doing that because

a lot of people wouldn't yeah man it's the only way because otherwise like what am i i also didn't feel fulfilled running that shit like straight up like what am i doing every day i'm waking up clicking a couple buttons thinking i'm some big shot businessman but all i'm really doing bro is learning how to use ad platforms or learning how to now that's a valuable skill yeah right it's a valuable skill to build a brand but now you're focused on brand building yeah so it's a big deal it's a little difficult for us now because we're we're basically scrapped back and going building a seven-year business back from day one so yeah we have taken a hit cause it is, it works.

It's a fucking, it's a hit, you know, like it works. It's a drug. As you put the sale up, you do get higher sales, but over time,

you're not building. Stop responding to it does. And then you got to go bigger sales, bigger sale. And like, you're just shooting yourself in the end. You end up having no margin. You can't run the business and then you're done.

It's a, it's a, it's a never, it's like swirling in the fucking drain in the bathtub. and eventually you go down the hole and that's how it works it is man and bro we have a like we have a good product and like you're just it's just a matter of like you're just shooting yourself in the foot at that point like you're the brand the marketing side of things does not align with the actual work you're putting into the product side it just doesn't align and so it's just this is the only option and it and i'm willing to risk it all for this bro like if if this means

this business fails and i i lose everything i have it won't it won't i hope not bro but if it bro how's it gonna how are you gonna fucking quit no okay well then fucking it ain't gonna fail there you go that's it dude i love that like mean, that's, that's the point, you know? What about the things that we talk about in 75 hard, you know? The grit, the fortitude, the mental toughness, the ability to persevere, the, all the qualities that we talk about, self-esteem, self-worth, you know, when I, when I was heavy and before I figured out that you could actually, cause I used to like, look at people who had these things and I was like confused. And actually I was

bitter. Cause I'm like, why the fuck did they get all these things? This, how come this guy can stick to a program? How come this guy can, can follow through? But I can't, cause that was the biggest problem for me, bro. I could not fucking follow through. I couldn't adhere to anything. And I would tell myself every Monday for fucking years, I'm starting today, starting on Monday, starting on Monday. And then like Tuesday would come and I'd be like, fuck, I'm starving. I want pizza. Right. And then Wednesday I would like eat the pizza. And then by Thursday, I'm like, well, fuck, it's Thursday. You know, I'll just start again on Monday. And since I'm starting again on Monday, I'll go fucking hard for Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday on food. And I gained an extra seven fucking pounds. Right. And dude,

you said something when you were just mentioning about your confidence in your word. How has that affected your life outside of just your business life? I mean, what's that, what has that done for you? It's what it's done for me is like everything that I commit to now gets done. So even the small things too, which actually fucking matter in the end of the day, like I told my parents I'm coming home for dinner and I'm not going to text them and be like, yo, I can't make it today. Like every little thing in your life becomes your word is your bond going forward. And so that, that was so super important to me. Cause like, honestly, man, we lie to ourselves all the time. We tell ourselves we're going to do shit and we never fucking do it. Yeah. And that's why we're, our confidence

goes to fucking zero, dude. Cause we don't even believe our own shit. You don't, you're, you know, we're like, Oh, I'm going to do this. And you never do any of these things. And you're like, Oh, well I'm going to lose weight. And you already know that when it comes out of your fucking mouth, that it ain't happening. And you know that everybody else is rolling their eyes like,

Oh yeah. Okay. It's not going to happen. You know? Exactly. Imagine you had a friend like that, bro, who every day told you 10 fucking lies.

You wouldn't, you believe in them. You wouldn't believe in him. You wouldn't even want to be friends with him. And that's why you end up hating yourself. Eventually, like eventually it catches up to you. And for me me like all that shit just ended up manifesting itself in the form of that panic attack because i had internal guilt i wasn't living up to my standard or up to what i knew

i was capable of because i was on top of my shit from 16 to 22 and so i peaked behind the curtain of success like i had a fucking great life I every day I would work out I would read I would meditate I was on top of my shit and I know how great I felt and so for five six years when I didn't do that it caught up to me it had to it had to get released somehow yeah and that that's what really did it for me isn't it crazy how like for me like the stuff that we do on a daily basis because i you know i live this way now and i think you do as well seems pretty fucking easy like it's not that fucking hard like but but when i was when i was not doing it it sounded impossible yeah it was like holy shit

dude like i gotta work out twice a day i've got to drink a gallon of water. I've got to eat, you know, fucking boring food. It's not even boring. Like everything for me now, like all of this shit, it actually just feels normal and it feels abnormal when I'm not doing. And, um, it's interesting because, you know, as I, when I decided to lose, lose the weight and now for me, that was 2015 or 16, 15 was what I kind of did the same thing you did. I, I, I was three 50. I kind of halfway died in my way to three 30. And then on January 1st, 2016, I'm like, fuck this. I'm fucking doing this. And that first year I lost 110 pounds, but I still hadn't discovered 75 hard. Right. So for me, I was like terrified. I'm like, fuck, I'm, I don't want to put the shit back on. Right.

So I kept working, I kept working, I kept working. And then, you know, eventually 75 hard was born out of that progress. And that's whenever everything went to a totally different level. And it's interesting how many people talk about it as like a diet or a challenge when in reality, it's a very tactical tool. It's a program to use to bring your mindset back to where it needs to be, which actually allows your body to be fit. It allows you to have confidence. It allows you to have gratitude for where you are because you're proud of who you are now. Um, and it's interesting, you know, how many people don't look enough into the program to understand what it's really all about because it really isn't about the physical. The physical is a, the physical is a representation

of winning the mental battles on a daily basis. And, uh, you know, when you talk about chasing the hard man, like that, when, you know, like after you got done with your first fucking run, right? Like everybody thinks the big win is like when you post your slideshow and it's, you know, 75 slides or 200 slides of you losing all this weight, right? They think that's the win. But the win isn't that, actually. The win is that first time where you're like, fuck, dude, my feet are bleeding. I got blisters. And you're like, fuck it, I'm going anyway.

And you get done. And you're like, all right, I did it. That win is the fucking real win. Because those are the wins that allow the other big wins to happen. And it's interesting to me that people don't recognize their little wins as the big wins to happen. And it's interesting to me that people don't recognize their little wins as the big wins because your little wins, they are the big wins because without those big wins don't happen. People think you just like show up and all of a sudden you're fucking ripped

and all of a sudden you're wealthy. All of a sudden you're mentally healthy. All this, bro, that's not it. It's these little fucking battles that we fight within our mind every single day that either allow us to progress or regress and there is only two options there's not a stay still option there's no fucking neutral in the game of life it is forwards and it is backwards and um it's cool to hear you talk about it bro because like hearing you talk about you know your mentality when you were big it's very similar to what mine was, man. It was just very, very similar. I had beaten myself into fucking nothing by promising myself

over and over and over and over that I was going to fucking get back in shape. And I had embarrassed myself to my friends and family because I fucking lied to them about it. Right. Like I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. Tell them, Emily, this shit, you know, I'm, you know, like you, you, you end up becoming like this fucking like thing that you're actually like disgusted with. And that's where I think your panic attack came about. For real, man. That's actually it. Yeah.

It's actually it. And I'm not, I'm not going to lie. Cause you just said that, like, you don't understand why people think it's the meant why people look at the physical as a challenge and stuff i'm not gonna lie bro when i started that was my goal i was like fuck all this mental toughness shit i just want to lose some weight yeah that's it yeah but bro when you realize how much mentally this does for you going forward bro you don't give a fuck about the physical anymore the physical like i genuinely like bro i could get better results if i wasn't running every day i want to get jack yeah running every single day is probably not the best option for that yeah but what running does

for me is it pushes me mentally so much and that's what i'm chasing and so like even yesterday coming on here we were nervous to come on this podcast and so i ran a half marathon yesterday to get my mind right dude that's in the morning and bro the the fucking roads here are crazy yeah they're up and down yeah yeah and it was hot we're used to toronto cold ass weather but yeah we did it we got it done half marathon and so that's how we get our mind right now is like i'm chasing something that reminds me of why the fuck i'm doing this yeah yeah so so dude like as you've as you've become this new version of you and shed this old version of you which i believe is permanent how what's happened with the rest of your life in terms of like maybe your friends or your family

or people that you're close to yeah so honestly with the my friend circle has gotten smaller it's it's gotten smaller and like back then it was centered around partying like we'd meet a bunch of people we throw big bangers in our house with like 50 people and that just doesn't happen anymore like i i generally just it's just i don't have the time for that part of my life anymore yeah like bro when you're drinking every single weekend you don't realize it's not just the day you just got drunk it's the next day and then it takes two three days for you to recover from that hangover and then the mental all that mental shit that you were trying to build up all week by working out twice a day or working out at all eating healthy you just fuck it up on from friday to saturday and then

sunday hits you're recovering your your hungover sund was drinking on sundays too okay my favorite drink yeah man so and so that's what it does and so our circle naturally just got smaller and it's just everyone around me now bro is literally a fucking killer yeah a cold-hearted killer and like they they literally work 24 7 and i like i mike my best friend bro i never see him i don't see him that often but we know that we're both hustling on the side and he's still there for me and we're still there for each other. But I see him like once every couple of months now

because we're both grinding 24 seven now. Do you? So what you're saying is, what it sounds like you're saying is, your friend circle got smaller, but the quality of friendships is much better. For sure, man. Yeah, for sure.

It's been the same for me. It's been the same for me. I don't party for me i don't party at all anymore bro like i i don't even i mean maybe twice a year i'll have a couple beers just because i like beer yeah but like it's not it's not the party life bro and it's it's you know when you when you start figuring out how much collateral damage that lifestyle causes you and then you start recognizing especially if you're an entrepreneur you start recognizing that you're only operating effectively like 10 of the fucking week it becomes very obvious that you can't win that week you know and it took me a long time for for it to click over for me um but i did the simple math i just did the math i'm like okay well if i fucking drink thursday friday saturday sunday

okay that's four out of seven days then monday i feel like shit tuesday i feel cloudy wednesday i feel okay so i get some decent shit done on wednesday and thursday it starts over again so it's like when you really understand that as an entrepreneur, you're competing against other businesses and other people, which is reality. Everybody likes to say, oh, fucking it's me against me. No, the fuck it isn't. You're actually in a game and there's other people that are trying to beat you. And that's reality of entrepreneurship. It's a fucking sport.

It's the hardest fucking sport. And it's one of the purest competitions that you could ever have. And you're competing against people who are ultra competitive, who are taking shit serious, who are building their mind, building their body, taking care of their health, avoiding things that take them off track. And you realize, dude, for me, it just clicked. I'm like, I can't win. I fucking can't win without it you know and i was fortunate that i was able to have some pretty pretty substantial success um up until the point i figured it out right like i am i am pretty skilled as an entrepreneur and when i finally figured it

out i mean we were doing nine figures in business right but i started realizing bro that's not sustainable these other dudes are fucking good they're dedicated they're working harder than me they try harder than me and that's whenever it made me realize like fuck i have i have to become a permanent better version of myself and it has to be forever it can't be for a summer right or for a pool party or for a wedding i think that was a big shift for me man like when i realized like it couldn't be because i used to try to diet for events like same yeah like like oh we have this big pool party you know and i want to be i don't want to be fat so i'll kill myself for six months i'll show up i'm in great shape i party and then right after i party

the next day i'm back to my old life because fuck it dude I'm in shape now right I'm living it up and then seven months go by and guess what right back where I was and until I cured this shit mentally I couldn't keep it off and that's what the point of the program really is bro it's for you to become aware and to tune your mind into a fucking weapon that cannot be fucked with you know when you think about why people fail in life and why people struggle in life it's not because it's not because they don't have good intentions it's not because they're so lazy they don't want anything i mean sure dude there's a segment of the population right but i think for most people it's their inability to adhere to the process that they said they were going to do.

That was my problem. At least my problem was never that I lacked ambition. It wasn't that I didn't want better for myself. It wasn't that I didn't want to be, uh, you know, successful or in shape. I wanted all those things, but I just did not have the capacity to fucking stick through. And some of the things that had been normalized in culture, I realized actually fucking hurt my ability to do that. Like, for example, this shit with the fucking cheat day every week. Like everybody talks, well, you got to have cheat day. Well, here's what's happening when you have the cheat day, dude.

You're doing six days of perfect work, working hard. And then, and for a a reason why are you doing it because i'm dissatisfied with where i'm currently at then on the seventh day you reward yourself with the shit that made you fucking miserable in the first it makes no logical sense and when you really start thinking about it it disrupts the habit building process too soon. Right. So like when you have six days of clean eating and you, and you have a seventh day, at least for people who have what I believe I had was a food addiction. Right. That's all I fucking thought about, bro. Like when I, when I, like, when you probably woke up and started thinking about the app, you're like fucking cheese fries,

waffle fries, right. You were thinking about it all all you couldn't wait for the shit to come yeah and like that's how i was too and so for me maybe some people have baseline discipline but i don't think so because the diet industry is one of the biggest in the world and most of you motherfuckers are fat okay let's be real um you guys say you don't need it you don't but you do need it because here's what's happening every single six seventh day you're fucking feeding your fat face with the same shit that made you miserable. And you're breaking the mental fucking cycle that you're working on every. And so then it becomes this pursuit of the cheat day, right?

Like, oh, I can't wait until Sunday so I can fucking be a normal human. There's nothing normal about eating 15,000 calories and getting fucking drunk off 20 fucking beers on a Sunday, bro. There's nothing normal about eating 15,000 calories and getting fucking drunk off 20 fucking beers on a Sunday, bro. There's nothing normal about that. Normal is understanding that I need to be healthy. I need to be fit. I need to take care of myself. And then committing to that for a long enough time to where your habits actually change.

I personally believe like this shit that we hear about, oh, it takes 21 days to form a new habit. I think that's bullshit. It's not long enough. It's not long enough, dude. It's not. It never has been about oh it takes 21 days to form a new habit i think that's bullshit it's not long enough it's not long enough dude it's not it never has been i've done 21 days me too how many times so many times me too bro and never stuck it's not long enough yeah that's the thing with this program is that it gives you the momentum you need to put all this shit on autopilot yeah like bro as fucked as this sounds 75 hard is the easy part of my life now because I've been doing it for so long. I get it. For two straight years.

Like, the two workouts are automatic. The reading is automatic. The no drinking, the no cheat meals, automatic. And so the more and more shit that I could put on autopilot like that frees up my time to do other things. And that's how you see highly successful people like yourself that seem like they're doing the most crazy shit. They're doing a crazy amount of stuff. And you're like, bro, how do they have the time to do this? Actually have more time. You do. You do. Cause you built the habits and you put all these, all these difficult tasks that would take up a lot of mental calories. They don't take up those calories anymore. It's just autopilot now.

Dude. I was thinking about this as you were just saying that, did you find find so a lot of people say oh i don't have fucking time for all this shit dude one of the things that i that i learned like almost immediately the first time i did the program was how much time i was fucking wasting like because at first when you're good at wasting time it does seem like a lot of stuff right but when you start to become effective at crossing shit off the list every single day all of a sudden i'm like well fuck dude i i got all this extra time i don't even know what to do with how did you notice the same thing yeah and bro like you're you're running first form bro how can someone think that they

have less time than you bro like i don't know what they do yeah like come on bro like you still make the first form there's six other companies exactly you know it's it's uh it's you know but like dude i get it like i see parents with kids like that's a hard thing that's a 24-hour job i mean everybody's life is hard and and we have a lot of shit to handle but the thing is is, is like when we, when we give ourselves this excuse of no time, I think, I think that's one of the biggest fuck ups that people make with their life. They say, bro, how am I going to do this with two kids? Or how am I going to do this with this? Or how am I going to do this with that? And I would challenge you to flip the question around is how the fuck are you going to do your job living like the fuck you live, eating that shit that you're eating, not putting good things in your brain,

not giving your body the fuel that it needs, not moving, not taking it. Like, how are you going to be effective? How are you going to be an effective? Can you really say you're going to be the best parent if you're not at your best? Real talk talk and are you willing to fuck your kids fucking life up by being a piece of shit because you're lazy i'm just saying i wouldn't be you know what i mean yeah for sure we have to be the best versions of ourselves to get the best results in life whether that's business whether that's our family whether that's um fucking anything and and that's something that that has become glaringly obvious to me that most people seem to not understand. Like this, my mind, my heart, my body, these are fucking tools. These are the weapons that we go to battle with every single day. And if we do not have these

things in check, guess what? We're going to fucking lose. And that's reality. And you may think you're winning. You may think you're okay. But okay but i can promise you 10 20 30 years from now you're gonna look back and be like fuck for sure i fucking wasted my fucking time and and that's something that i'm very thankful is that i figured that out you know i didn't figure it out till i was like 38 bro you know what i'm saying so like i know for a lot of you young guys, that sounds old, but like, I don't feel old anymore. I felt old then. And now I'm 43. I feel way younger than I've ever felt my whole life. clearly now like bro for fucking five years i felt like i had a mental fog in my head 24 7 you're not confident in any of the decisions you're making and so it's taking you longer to make decisions like let's just say let's just say your current tasks are the same exact tasks that you have to do like your life is the exact same if you were to just continue going on this path

in life you would just like you you, you could continue doing this. Bro. You're talking, I think you're talking about sustainability, which is a big criticism of the program. Cause you hear, you see these people out there, it's not sustainable. Have you fucking done it? Because most of the shit sticks forever. Right. Um, and they also don't understand that live hard as a fucking whole year. Um, dude, let's switch gears for a minute let's talk about reading because i think reading is one of the most important aspects of the program were you reading before when i was like 16 to 22 yeah but i didn't touch a book in like fucking seven years really

yeah yeah how did that how did that affect you i honestly i now reading is like a part of my life and i feel like i've grown a lot more like even just the way that i'm able to take in information is a lot better and and like especially when i first started 75 hard like the first books i read were strategic like it was designed to brainwash myself into thinking what i was doing wasn't shit and so like i read books like goggins books tim grover's books, even like James Lawrence watching his, his life with a iron cowboy. I got lucky to do 75 hard the first round while he was doing conquer 100. And so I got to wake up every day and see him doing his shit.

And it's crazy, man. Cause you look at people like that who are crazy high achievers and you're like, bro, you start thinking of them as if there is some divine being, you know, like they're not human. They're not though. Yeah. But the thing, the thing is they're just regular people, people bro they're just regular people going through their own shit i'll never forget this day i look at one day and james lawrence posted a video of himself that day doing conquer 100 and he's he's like holding back tears and he's

like i'm gonna try today man and he was just going through it bro and i had the same struggle and so all these people that you look up to that you think are cut from a different cloth, like there's some sort of divine being, they're just regular people who've been on top of their shit for so long. And that's who I kept chasing, bro, is like brainwashing myself into looking at people doing incredible things to believe that what I was doing is nothing compared to that. And so when people hear like, bro, I ran a half marathon at this way, I ran a marathon last year. I ran 28 K on my birthday for 28 for my 28th birthday, like all this crazy shit. And it's like, how'd you do that, bro? You're still heavy. It's because the standard was so high. The people I was looking up to

were so high that it made me feel like what I was doing is nothing. And so that was what the reading did for me. And that was, I strategically planned those books at the beginning when I needed to build the mental strength to be able to continue on. Now the books I'm reading are more toward like knowledge I'm trying to gain in terms of business, in terms of marketing, in terms of sales. But yeah, man, those books have made a huge impact on my life. Bro, I start 75 hard almost every single time I do it with Relentless from Tim Grover. Almost every single time. The book resonates with me so hard. And it's not for everybody, bro.

Like a lot of people read that book and they're like, what the fuck is he talking about? And it's because you haven't developed that the shit he's talking about yet. But if you continue to press on, you will start to understand it. Every time I read that book, I gain new shit out of it every single time. I was just going to say, man, every book I've reread,

every time I reread it, you get a different nugget out of it. Yeah. It's like a different thing. That's a great book to like set the pace though. Yeah. Like if you're somebody out there who is like, you're like, fuck, I need this mental calibration.

I think starting with that book is such a powerful way because it you like you're like fuck i need this mental calibration i think starting with that book is such a powerful way because it just makes you realize like okay there are people out here that are doing like these people that i see as champions the kobe bryants the michael jordans these motherfuckers didn't come out of the womb michael jordan they didn't come out kobe bryant kobe bryant was shooting free throws every single fucking day of his career at 3am. Right. Like we're talking about a crazy obsession to be great. And like when you mentioned like Goggins or James Lawrence, these dudes, cause I know them personally, you know, the,

these are just normal people who have pressed beyond their perceived comfort zone more and more and more and more to the point where now they are literally limitless because for you to believe that you're limitless, you have to continually push yourself outside of the box of what you believe that you're capable of enough to know that you are capable. Right. So like when you first ran your first fucking workout, like you're, you probably thought, fuck, I don't know if I can even do this. Right. But you got home that first day and you're like, fuck, I did that. Right. So then you wake up the next day. You're like, okay, well I did this yesterday. So I know I can do it. It's funny because you mentioned the cold plunge. My man just did his first cold plunge today he did real good six minutes and uh first time that's fucking amazing good you're

doing okay i'm fine i was shivering for a little bit right after for a while it's different than the cold showers then bro fuck yeah i do cold showers every day yeah it's totally different dude and the uh but the thing is is like dude I've been doing the cold plunge today was day 76 for me in a row. And every fucking time, bro, like every time, and this is part of the reason I love it. Every time I stand in front of that cold plunge and I'm like, fuck, this is going to fucking suck. Like, and then I'm like, the next thought is, dude, you've done this 74 fucking days in a row, 75.

Like you can do this, get the fuck in there. And I'm in it, you know, and it sucks for, you know. 10 seconds. Right, exactly. It's good. It's the same thing with the shower, the shower knob, man. Like just turning that to cold, same thing. Fuck, I love that though.

I love that cold shower. Like the minute that I feel that shit on my, cause I always let it go straight on my head, like on the top of my crown at first and the minute i start feeling it get like real cold i let it go right on my face and bro it just i've learned to like literally love that so i love the feeling after yeah like every time i i think i'm gonna bitch out of doing it yeah i'm like bro when you step out of there you feel fucking incredible yeah so that honestly that's that's literally what i've been doing with everything

for the last two years is just like trying to continuously chase hard like i said and so bro like even last year right we it was fucking negative 30 degrees the the coldest day of the year yeah and i wake up and i look we had a massive thunderstorm i'm looking at the weather and i usually run in the morning but and then work in the evening. But I look at the weather app and I'm seeing that the peak of the storm is at 7 p.m. Bro, I switched the order of my workout so I could purposely go out at 7 p.m. and experience that peak fucking weather because that is a win under my belt. And the more and more I can collect of those, it's literally medallions, bro, because it makes regular life easy.

It's like what goggins talks about the cookie jar exactly you know you're putting these things in your fucking jar so that when things get hard you're like fuck this ain't shit dude i already did this yeah you know it's a fucking powerful thing man it is i know exactly what you're talking yeah bro i still do that like i still like if i if i if i wake up and i see that we're to get like a storm at like 3 o'clock, I'll wait to do my ruck until fucking 3. Because I want to do it. Especially when you're doing stuff at that level.

You don't get those opportunities too often. I was praying for fucking winter storms last year. Because you don't get those opportunities anymore to push yourself that much more mentally. And so that's like you just end up chasing that much more, more mentally. And so that's like, I, you just end up chasing that. And the more and more you chase that bro,

like life just becomes so much easier. And what's crazy about those workouts too, dude, is that the, the amount of pride that you feel after those workouts is like 10 times more than the normal workout. Yeah. It's cool,

bro. Cause I do the same shit, dude. We had a day here over the winter this past winter that was minus 27 which is abnormal here i know you guys got a little different up there yeah it's not it's not like that here you know we might get a few days where it's under zero and uh i remember thinking i'm like well fuck i'm gonna fucking do this shit and i went out and did it bro i got done i was cold as fuck the rest of the day i'm like dude nobody did that nobody did that none of you motherfuckers that think you're competing with me fucking did that none of you you'd have cars driving by yeah

oh they're trying to pick you up yeah like yo are you okay what's going on exactly yeah yeah they're like what the fuck are you doing i'm like bro i'm actually out here on purpose dude that's happened to me a lot and thunderstorms and snowstorms like that but bro days like that you're literally getting 10 15 days in one 10 15 days of growth in one day it's literally like a hack to get there faster yeah so what would you say to someone who's who's you know maybe heard of the program but not done it or thinks they can't do it like someone because i guess people like that they're like bro i'm i'm not ready for that you know i'm gonna do this and this and this it's like bro it's scalable you know i'm saying like you can walk if all you can do is walk you can walk but the point is to

press on to the harder things as they get harder or as you get more capable for sure man from what i always say bro is like if you're continuously waiting for that perfect moment until you get to a certain level or until you can get that one more piece of information to complete the puzzle to be able to do it, bro, you are never starting. How many fucking times are you going to go out there, buy the workout clothes, buy the supplements, buy the fruits and veggies that just rot in your fridge. At some point, you just got to jump in and eventually everything will fall into place. I lost 120 pounds in my first year without knowing how to calculate my calories, without knowing how to do my macros. And all I did was just jump in and figured it out along the way. Everything you need to know is out there in the track, in the field with the hard shit. and so if you're waiting for that perfect moment it's never coming and the thing is like bro people think like you have to do what i did you have to do a run every single day you have to do a crazy workout every day no but i was capable

of doing that and so that's why i chose to do that but if you're 500 pounds or 700 pounds or whatever bro a workout is literally you sitting down and standing up for a whole fucking 45 minutes that's right point and so it is scalable and it is doable and i'm telling you it is so worth it because the level of you operate at another level mentally forever bro if you continue on this path i i think it's i think i think it's important to note you know it's not a cure all forever. It, it, it, but the awareness that you gain last forever,

meaning discipline is a perishable skill. We don't practice it. It, it, we lose our edge. But what I really love about the program and what I think it does for people that people don't articulate properly is that it brings a level of awareness to we you know like for example like when when i got fat like when i went like from

when i gained 100 pounds in a year the same shit you did i was not aware that i was that far off track you know what I'm saying like I would I would put on a little weight and yeah my my jeans were a little tight and then I would buy the next pair up right and I'm like oh this is not bad and like it was imperceptible how far off track I had gotten and what I think this program and I think the magic of this program is the awareness that it creates that never goes away. So like the minute that you start to fade off, you're like, fuck, I'm fucking off track. And you correct almost immediately. So it never allows you to get like more than two or three days out of cycle.

At least that's how it's been for me. You know, I might have two or three days when i'm not like you know it might be in between phases or whatever where you know i don't complete all the tasks right most of the time i do all of them automatically but like my old self wouldn't recognize that as like a as like a problem you know what i'm saying exactly my new self i'm like okay the last three days i missed four tasks total all right i need to get my together and it allows me to reel myself back in instead of drift so far off course that it becomes this massive mountain that we have to keep climbing our whole lives for sure and that was something i admired in other people that i

never had like i never had the ability to kind of like keep it together you know what i mean like i could get it together but i couldn't keep it together and that's you know that i think that's the magic of it i think at least for me it is it's been it's it's not that i've stayed a hundred percent discipline because if i did i wouldn't have to continue to do it as a lifestyle but now whenever i do pull off just a little bit i can feel it i notice it i'm in tune with it and i and more importantly guess what i know exactly what i need to get back yeah yeah man that was like the number one question a lot of people ask me is like yo do you still cheat do you still have alcohol do you drink and shit and bro yes i'm not gonna sit here and act like i'm some fucking 75 hard poster boy who doesn't have like a grain of rice

like no i still have those days same bro yeah yeah but the thing is bro the difference is is like now i am in control of my life that's right like i'm in the driver's seat of my life yeah i'm not you know falling into quick uh instant gratification type of shit. You know, like I am fully on board with what I'm doing in my life. My goals are aligned with my actions or my actions are aligned with the goals I've set for my life. Yeah. And so that's what this program does.

And like the momentum, you're right, man. You, it's so easily lost, but this program gives you the quick bounce back if you just hop back on. So I went on a trip to Columbia for a week and bro, I, I had my fun there. Like I live the life and it was my first long vacation off program for two years. And I came back and I already felt myself being like, yo, it's your first day back. You can chill today or go for a walk. You don't have to run. Can you don't have to do this anymore.

It's your first day. Just settle back in. And as soon as i started hearing that i was like no fuck that phase one we're going right into phase one i wasn't planning on doing phase one till later in the year but that's what this does for you is gives you like you said the awareness to like yo you're gonna you're about to go down a dark path if you start hearing that voice that made you the way that it fucking made you hate yourself again very clearly you're like oh shit that's how i got there at least for me that's how it is for sure man yeah dude i uh i totally fucking i i you know i think another thing too dude like you were saying about get putting you back in the driver's seat you know back when i was when i was drinking and living that life and being a fat fuck which which is what I was, um, I couldn't go to a restaurant. I had, I was incapable of going to a restaurant. Like I

knew what I needed to order, right? Like before they handed me the menu, I'm like, I don't even need to look at this. I know what I need, but here's what would happen. I'd sit down and look at the menu. I'd see the shit that i really like wanted and then the the fucking voice started right it started convincing me why i should order this shit the pizza the wings the fries all the bullshit and the alcohol over what i knew i needed right and so the waitress would come over or the waiter would come over and i I already knew what I was supposed to order, but I was fucking incapable of saying it. I had no, dude, I couldn't do it. And every time they would come over, I would order the fucking pizza and the fries and the bullshit.

And then I would be like, I'm starting back tomorrow. It's no big deal. Sure. And I would tell myself this fucking lie over and over and over and over and people act like the same thing bro they're like bro you always on no i'm not always on the fucking program bro i love fucking beer dude i love fucking i love to fucking drink and shit i just understand what i'm trying to do with my life and so i remove it as much as possible but here's the thing if you set this beer down in front of me this water bottle that we're going to pretend is a beer I remove it as much as possible. But here's the thing.

If you set this beer down in front of me, this water bottle that we're going to pretend is a beer, I didn't have the ability to not fucking drink. I did not have even that amount of discipline in my life. I have no fucking power over food and alcohol at all. And dude, that made me feel like a fucking weak piece of shit. Like I was like, how the fuck do all these people do this? But I can't do this.

And then I would drink five or six beers and I forget about it until tomorrow. Right. And which led to 20 beers. Right. And all kinds of other stupid ass shit. But the point is now when that beer is set in front of me, I'm making the fucking decision. I don't give a fuck. That beer doesn't have power over me. It's fucking menu doesn't have power over me, dude.

But if I want that shit, I'm going to take it. But it's resetting the position of power to yourself versus outside influences. And to me, that's been one of the most powerful changes that I've had over the last four or five years. It's almost to the point where i've forgotten about it like i've almost forgotten how fucking weak i was and so like that also sometimes makes me a little bit harsher on people that are maybe just starting you know what i'm saying i was gonna say the exact same thing yeah i feel like i don't resonate with that shit anymore i'm so far disconnected from that yeah that i'm like almost unsympathetic to what they're going through but bro you got to consider like we aren't there now but we were

there no we're still there bro we're still that fat motherfucker that you were and i was that's still inside of me bro yeah i'm terrified of it bro for real yeah i stay the fuck away pizza's my fucking biggest weakness i know dude i know i kind of want to go get one but the reality is it ain't gonna happen no it's not happening so um bro you know we could talk and talk and talk about this uh but you know i think one of the cool things that you're doing is you're using your platform to help people change their lives now where can people follow you at so that because like bro you guys should all be following him especially if you're trying to get better um where are you mainly active at and where where are you instagram

it's all my it's just my name bishoy kella all over social guys b-i-s-h-o-i-k-h-e-l-l-a yeah you guys got to go check him out and follow what he's saying. He's doing amazing work. Um, brother, thank you so much for making the trip down here, dude. And thanks for like having the fucking courage to push through this shit. Thank you.

Cause like, bro, I know what the fuck that's about, bro. And that is not easy, dude. Like that, what you've done just because I've been literally the exact same weight

and like i don't know man it's just it just it just hits me in a different way when it comes to you because i fucking know exactly like exactly what the fuck that's like and uh every story that we produce as individuals where we climb these fucking massive mountains in our own life ends up changing other people. Other people see that shit, bro. And they say, fuck, dude, if Bishoy can do it, I can do it. And Andy can do it. I can do it.

And for you guys out there, they're going to say the same about you, man. And I believe that to be an obligation like i believe that to be a true obligation that we all need to work to live up to because of what it does for other people and um i just commend you man and i have massive amounts of respect for you thank you man uh means the world to me coming from you it's a dream come true being in this building well like it's it's real shit man and you fucking earned it and uh i'm excited to to you know build a friendship and continue to you know push to push each other along and and see you build something and succeed and do the things you want to do bro thank you and i have zero fucking doubt you're gonna do it you ain't you ain't going back to that other dude for sure i won't let you okay

yeah get a dm from you like what the fuck you doing let's get back on yeah it ain't happening but uh brother great fucking work man thank you man yeah it's an honor to be here for real yeah well the honor is mine bro thank you man yeah so guys that's 75 hard versus bashoi okay make sure you go follow them make sure you click subscribe there on YouTube and let us know what you think of the show in the comments. And, uh, we'll talk to you next time.