REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 665. #75HARD vs Carly Thackrey & Chris Hibbs

Episode Date: March 9, 2024

In today's episode, Andy is joined in the studio by the #75HARD contest winners Carly Thackrey and Chris Hibbs. They discuss the spark that made them both start the program, how it's shifted their per...spectives from playing the victim, and how it has impacted their relationships with family and friends.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up guys, it's Andy Frisella and this is the show for the realest, say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of modern society and welcome to motherfucking reality guys today we have 75 hard verses uh as you guys know these are occasional episodes they're not regular episodes but we have a very special one today uh because last summer when you guys uh if you remember we had a 75 hard contest and we had a deal where we were going to fly out two winners um to be on the show and spend a day and work out and go to dinner. And they are here today. So I wanted to say welcome to Chris Ibs and Carly Thackeray.
Starting point is 00:00:54 What's up, guys? Thank you. Hi. It's great to have you guys here. Yeah, it's so great to be here. So where are we from? I'm from North Texas. North Texas.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Wichita Falls, to be exact. Okay. And I'm from Ventura, California. All right. Yes. Cool. Quite different places. Yeah, very.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Mine's more similar to here, I would say. Yeah, I think Texas is real close to Missouri, man. Every time I go to Texas, I feel like it's home. Right. It's just a little hotter. Farmland. Yeah. Farmland, land everywhere.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Good barbecue. Yeah, it's a good spot. Good people. I don't go to California. I know. I know. I told DJ, I'm like, I'm from your favorite place. everywhere good barbecue yeah that's a good spot good people i don't go to california i know i told you i'm like i'm from your favorite your favorite place man so i'm not allowed in california anymore i know yeah so well it's great to have you guys here so we're just going to get right into it guys um these episodes are basically you know like we say in the intro every show
Starting point is 00:01:43 they're basically just you know people who have say in the intro, every show, they're basically just, you know, people who have discovered 75 Hard, who have completed it, who have changed their life with the program. We let them tell their story. So how'd you guys hear about this? How'd you come to cross 75 Hard? I was on a walk in 2019 and it was the first episode you announced it, I believe. And the second I heard it, I was like, I have to do that. And I never got the message crossed where it was a fitness. Immediately I was like, no, this is gonna solve
Starting point is 00:02:18 my deepest, darkest demons, the shit that always holds me back. The stuff that I never quite fix never quite you know get rid of in my life where it's always this yo-yo or i'm in this hamster wheel of a cycle right where i'm doing good then i'm not so um i failed it at least a dozen times before my back was up against the wall last august and i just said this has to be done so what were you like before that what do you mean before 2019 yeah were you training were you do like yeah so um my background is in martial arts okay I'm a black belt in taekwondo I fought for 10 years um when I retired I met my
Starting point is 00:02:57 husband he's also a fighter as well uh 2009 we opened up our crossfit gym ran it so our training in taekwondo and fighting was really similar to CrossFit. So it was like a natural progression. 2015, we sold everything and took everything online. So I was in the fitness world, right? But I just struggled so much with staying consistent. I struggled so much with, yeah, being dialed in my nutrition and da-da-da-da-da. And it was honestly the lies that i told
Starting point is 00:03:26 myself yeah like no i got this it's okay i can i've been good for 30 days and i can go have a glass of wine or i can go have a cheat meal and it always it always created the it's interesting it's interesting because people's uh criticism of 75 hard is what do you do after 75 days you keep going that's right and they don't understand that they think of it as a fitness challenge it is a mental program yes two completely different things and if you're having problems like Carly's describing where you're up and down up and down I was very similar over my life I discovered that I had no capacity and maintain I was hot and then
Starting point is 00:04:06 i was cold i was hot then i was cold then i was hot then i was cold and it wasn't until i started seeing it as a mental a mental aspect to my game that was weak that it changed my perspective right 100 and so uh i think it's interesting because the people who don't really understand, they haven't looked into the program. Maybe they just heard about it or they see it online. They think it's a fitness challenge or a 75 day workout program or something. They don't understand that this is actually the way that you do maintain because you're fixing what's going on upstairs. It's causing the up and downs. So it's really cool to hear you say that, especially coming from someone who's been in that game their whole lives. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Literally my whole life. Yeah. And, I mean, since I've been a little girl, I mean, I've struggled with weight and nutrition and being consistent. I'm either on the boat or I'm off the boat, right? And so, yeah, it was the subtraction of stuff that really led me through the breakthrough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And 75 hard makes you subtract. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you. What about you, brother? Well, I originally started following you back in 2017 when you were doing the MSCO project. And I was, back then I was basically the kind of person that needed to be hearing that kind
Starting point is 00:05:18 of stuff. But I didn't start implementing any of it till probably a year later where I, it was 2018 and I kind of went through a breakup. So I was forced to make a decision to change things. And then 2019, I started working in the oil field, which is what I do now doing contract well servicing and well testing and basically opening up new wells to production. And, uh, just started basically doing the hard things and knowing that it's going to take time to build something up from that. And then I started focusing more on becoming a better father to my daughter.
Starting point is 00:05:46 I have a 15 year old daughter right now. And so at that time she was still 10 or so, but just putting more time and effort into that. And then, so you had the, what was it? 2019, 2020 when you.
Starting point is 00:05:57 2019. Yeah. So you, I remember actually 75 hard. It was a March 5th is five years old. Okay. So, which that's pretty long time for a fucking fad, huh, guys?
Starting point is 00:06:07 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It keeps getting bigger, too. I don't think fads get bigger after five years. I love when people say that. I don't know. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Well, so I remember you announcing it and everything. And I tried doing it probably about four times. I failed it, but I would always fail because I was drinking still. And then I made a made a commitment to stop doing that the first time i completed 75 hard was the end of 2022 i did it and i just got done with it and i felt like accomplished and like i did a really good job i had a similar transformation but i felt like i could have did more yeah so i whenever that you announced the contest i had already been planning on doing the program again on september 1st which you announced the contest, I had already been planning on doing the program again on September 1st,
Starting point is 00:06:45 which you announced the contest on August 27th, I believe. So it started on August 28th. Yeah. So I went from about 235 to 205 or 207 around there. But, uh. You got shredded, bro. Thanks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Well, I was, I was expecting to do a bodybuilding show, but I had a job come up that I needed to be on. And, and then I just went on that instead. was more yeah it was more uh it was a smarter decision basically to go to go work instead of spend money on that bodybuilding show when you guys started with 75 hard what were you expecting of it what were you what were you expecting to get out of it versus you know what actually happened I always like to ask that yeah I was expecting it to heal my my crippling depression my stress my anxiety and um I mean so I I had a similar kind of journey on I was like okay August 28th I'm going to start I saw Emily was going to um do it I was like okay August 28th I'm gonna start I saw Emily was going
Starting point is 00:07:45 to do it I was like cool I'd love to follow her on it then I found heard your podcast of like hey make sure to tune in and when I heard your testimonial about your journey through it and what it did for you and especially with self-harm and suicidal thoughts and it was just like it pierced my soul and so I was like and i was battling with that so immensely and that's what i i knew like of course you want to look strong and lean and and good and stuff right but i knew that that would be the byproduct if i solved this right i had to go in and i had to slay my own fucking demons with this program. And that was my focus.
Starting point is 00:08:29 And that was the only thing I focused on every single day. I knew if I checked off every single thing, every single day and gave it my all that this would finally be solved. And it was like that. Like, Andy, I couldn't. It was like a whole year of like just absolute utter hell in my mind in my soul yeah and within three days I was like springing out of the bed I couldn't get out of bed before 7 a.m. I was struggling to be a mom to feed my kids I was struggling with suicidal thoughts I mean it was just like the darkest year of my life and within three days i was springing out of bed at 4 30 in the morning by day five i remember my husband looking at me he goes you got your spark back
Starting point is 00:09:11 didn't you and i go i sure did and i go in this program i'm doing it for the rest of my life like i'm in so what do you think it is about the the what do you think it is that makes makes you feel that way so fast? It was the removal of all the vices that I was using to numb out, run away, and escape. And when you already are dealing, I was already dealing with a certain level of depression and sadness and anxiety from some experience I had. And then you put on alcohol and then you put on shit food and it just compounds it like crazy. Right. And so it's normal. It's quote unquote normal. It's what everybody does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No more. No way. And so so once I eliminated
Starting point is 00:10:01 all that and then started stacking wins and being honestly doing something that so many people attempt and so few finish. I was like, fuck, yeah, I'm back. Like I am fucking back. Like it ignited that part of me that had been buried so long. So fucking helped you find a purpose again a hundred percent a hundred percent and a pathway like i was so lost yeah you know what i mean and so now i know i just have to do this yeah if i do this then i am the best fucking version of me yeah and you wake up every day knowing you did it like when you wake up shitty and you're in a bad mood and
Starting point is 00:10:43 you're like fuck today's well i have 72 days in a row where i did everything i was supposed to do it's kind of hard to feel bad and how about when you hit the your head hits the pillow at night and you're exhausted from kicking ass yeah doing the that nobody does yeah no matter what happens like i didn't you heard my story from yesterday yeah i still got my day done on 75 hard i did my 45 minute workout through customs and the baggage claiming yeah you know like you just you are so empowered by this yeah like what's gonna stop me yeah you come out on the other nothing that's right yes so yeah that's cool it's so it's it's like the most powerful drug. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Yeah. I do. Look, I talk about this all the time. You know, there's three elements to being happy and people think being happy is being, you know. Being a better mood, you know, do what you like, you know, do something that makes you happy. And they don't understand that they can manufacture their own happiness. Yes. Right. There's three components to it. One, you got to be grateful for where you are. Yes. Right? There's three components to it. One, you got to be grateful for where you are.
Starting point is 00:11:48 You got to look around. You got to say, hey, you know what? Shit's not exactly the way I want it, but I'm pretty good. This is all right. It could be a lot worse. All right? There's a lot of people that have it a lot worse than me. Two, you got to have a purpose every single day.
Starting point is 00:12:02 What's your purpose? What are you getting up for? What are you getting up to accomplish? What are you getting up to do? Human beings are driven by purpose. And when we lack purpose, we seek purpose. And even if it's not consciously, it's unconsciously, which creates anxiety and it creates uncertainty and it creates this feeling of something's just not right. And it's because we're not meant to sit around and, you know, scroll the internet. That's not what we're meant to do. We're meant to go do things and accomplish things and build things and create and contribute to things outside of
Starting point is 00:12:38 ourselves. And when we don't have that purpose, we can't be happy. And three, we have to exercise discipline. If we do not exercise discipline, we are never going to feel confident in ourselves. We are never going to feel powerful. We are always going to feel powerless. We're going to feel like we're floating through the wind and, you know, who knows what could happen five minutes from now. And that's not an empowered way to live, you know? So if you're looking for being, if you're looking to be happier and you think it's going to be sitting down by the brook as the stream crashes over the rocks reading your book, yeah, that might make you happy for a couple hours, dude. But if you lack these three things in your life on a consistent basis, it's impossible to be happy. And that's something that for the program that I have come to learn.
Starting point is 00:13:32 When I find myself in a dark spot or a difficult spot, which we all do, there's no way to permanently get to it. And I think that's another lie, right? Another lie that we're told is we're going to find ourselves permanently in this content, happy place. That's not the way life works, man. Life goes up, life goes down. Things change. The weather changes. Relationships change. The way we see things change. We go up, we go down. We go up, we go down. We go up, we go down. So it serves us to understand how to create these things when we want them, when we're lacking them. And every time I'm ever in a bad spot in my life, if I look and I
Starting point is 00:14:01 could like every single time I can look and usually for me it's gratitude because i'm pretty disciplined uh and i have purpose every day so usually for me gratitude is the thing that i lose focus on because i'm so focused on moving forward that i that i lose sight of where i'm at you know where i'm at, or this is the shit I used to dream of. Right. So I have to remember that. But I think for all of you guys listening, you know, if you find yourself in a place where you're not feeling right, ask yourself, what's your purpose? Are you grateful for where you are and what kind of discipline are you exercising? I guarantee you, dude, you're going to have problems with one of those areas if you're not being happy right now. So that's something that I've took from the program. What about you, dude, you're going to have problems with one of those areas if you're not being happy right now. So that's something that I've took from the program.
Starting point is 00:14:47 What about you, Chris? Well, the main thing I wanted to gain from it was confidence. Yeah. Believe it or not, I've worked out for like 23 years now. Yeah, I can tell, bro. You're jacked. So I've been in pretty good shape most of my life. But I didn't have the confidence.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I would go around everywhere self-conscious still, and maybe it's like the body dysmorphia thing. No, I think everybody who's built I mean, let's be real dude The reason we work out and get big muscles and shit is because we lack confidence. We're a little insecure. That's reality That's reality. That's where achievement comes from. That's where drive comes from. That's where having shit to prove comes from Insecurity is a natural human characteristic that we all have at certain times we just got to learn how to leverage it you know well that's not the reason why i started working out though yeah it didn't come from the being not self-confidence but uh originally i
Starting point is 00:15:35 started because uh i wanted our dad to stop beating our ass yeah what it was yeah well that's a good reason too but i felt good doing this yeah i just kept doing it since then yeah Yeah. But no, the confidence was the main thing I wanted to gain from it. And then getting that mental toughness that comes from doing the hard things consistently every day and having that purpose that you're talking about where you, when you're on the program, you have a plan to follow, right? So you go through the tasks daily. But the main test is whenever you get off of it, if you're going to pivot and change those critical tasks to fit your life and their goals that you are trying to achieve that's where people are are failing they think it's just going to be the 75 days or it's going to be the phases but it's the taking the discipline that you gain during those the the phase or the 75 days and and changing it and putting it into
Starting point is 00:16:21 work and moving forward yeah for sure dude and so since, I've just been able to, I mean, it's addictive trying to go through and pick every little hard thing that you can throughout the day. You're able to start being aware of each individual decision that you make. Is this going to make my life better or is this going to make my life worse? If you can be able to adapt that mentality, you're going to be able to make a lot better choices and then get your, get closer to your goals every day and just know that, you know, with your lessons, you show the way of how it's going to take a long time, whether it's going to, you're not going to notice anything for a long time. You just got to know that you have to keep putting in the work. And now I don't
Starting point is 00:17:02 have that issue with confidence. that's for sure okay it worked huh yeah that's good man well the one of the things that i did during the program for the contest was um first of all i told my daughter i was going to win the contest when you announced it and like i said i was going to do the content or i was going to start 75 hard that week anyways but you said to do the contest that day so i started it that day and uh i posted a youtube video every single day i'd started a youtube channel last summer with my daughter doing just cookie reviews we were i was ordering cookies off instagram which you guys hooked me up with a set in my locker so that's pretty cool because i hadn't had that kind yet so we're gonna do that but uh i couldn't do cookies
Starting point is 00:17:38 on 75 hard kids love youtube bro right don't they yeah yeah they want to be youtubers now man yeah well i wanted to do well i see these people making money off bro you just want listen let's not bullshit you just want to eat some cookies well both of them but yeah i see people making them yeah what i want to try something but i couldn't do cookies on on 75 hard so i just decided to post a video every day how i felt what i was doing that day it wasn't like some elaborate edited video or anything i was just sitting wherever i was because i was i was in a lot of places i travel for work and sometimes i'm two hours from home sometimes i'm six hours from home and i was still managing to you know make those long drives work 12 hours and do my workouts outside of being at work that one of the things where i made it a point where
Starting point is 00:18:25 i had time during my 12-hour shift i could have threw my ruck on and started stepping yeah right well some people might not be able to do that and i was trying to show the way that if you have a construction job or you work outside or you're doing these things that it's still possible yeah that's one of the things people talk about they don't have time that how i have this going on or i have that going on it's either that or they can't quit drinking for the yeah five days yeah well dude that's hard you know when you're normalized in the alcohol culture that's like dude i can remember when i got out of drinking dude like it's not sorry to cut you off but like the alcohol thing's important bro because i was in alcohol culture it sounds like you were too on my own yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:19:03 with me by myself drinking well fuck dude for me it was like all my friends drank all the time that's what we did for fun we went to restaurants we went to brunch we drank same st louis is a drinking town that's what we do here we drink and watch the cardinals sometimes fight that's what we do like um and getting out of that culture super hard for people you know they can't imagine their life without it well they most of them do it every day yeah yeah that's what i'm saying just a terrible example to be setting and honestly it's like it's not necessary was that the hardest thing for you the drinking no i was i mean i was so tired of doing it yeah whenever i look back at it uh it had been like five or six years that I was doing it basically every day.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I would leave the gym at 10 a.m., which is when the liquor stores open in Texas. And I would go buy a half pint of Southern Comfort 100. And that's not very much, but I didn't buy the bigger bottles because I knew I would just drink those. Yeah. And then come back the next day and get whatever size they had. Yeah. I tried to limit myself like that. So you were like really drinking. Yeah but still like functioning yeah yeah i wasn't
Starting point is 00:20:10 out driving around doing you know i get into the bar doing the thing i had nothing going on at home you drink it all now no yeah it's been uh since october 2022 that's awesome i'd quit when i finished the program the first time so i didn't even drink till yeah i mean still yeah this last time i did the program i didn't have that there wasn't an issue yeah so whenever i started it i was 10 pounds lighter than the last time just because i didn't have that bloat from yeah drinking alcohol bro i don't miss that no that alcohol bloat or even that feeling they're just waking up the next day just like dehydrated headache feeling yeah that's the worst and just the example that's being said how old are you i'm 36. yeah well you're i feel like when
Starting point is 00:20:51 i wake up anyway i don't need any more alcohol stuff bro i'm 44 bro i feel like i'm gonna die that's one of the things that's good about being on the program and you're following a diet yeah it plays a big difference because since i've been off the program i'm sore again because of that yeah so when you when you think about like where you would have been or where you'd be without that you think you'd still be drinking if i would have had nothing to force me to no yeah i mean yes i would have still been drinking yeah Dude, me too, man. I feel like with the alcohol thing, I never meant to quit. I still haven't quit totally. There's two or three times a year where I'll have some drinks, but I don't ever think about it.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Even on the days I do drink, the times I have alcohol, it's like on the moment decision where I'm like, fuck it. One day, it's probably three times a a year and it's never like getting drunk. It's like three or four or five beers tops, you know, it's changed my relationship with alcohol completely. Same. I don't miss it either. Yeah. Which I, which dude, I could never get over.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Like when, uh, when you were talking about, you know, basically going up and down and up and down and up and down. I think a lot of the reason that I was going up and down my whole life with my fitness especially was because I could never get rid of or shake the alcohol habit. Same. Yeah. Yeah. Because the alcohol for me always led to shit. Food choices.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Yeah. Right. And then it led to bad sleep. And then the next morning I'm tired. I'm paying the piper because I drank the night before. Yeah. And I feel blue. And now I don't want to go to jail.
Starting point is 00:22:21 It was just this whole cycle. Yeah. And then, you know, being in the fitness community, right? I walked around with like so much shame and regret and guilt and like, I have to be this leader and I'm like. Yeah, there's pressure in that for sure. Big time, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things that people say when they talk about 75 hard and completing it is that, like we're talking about 75 hard and completing it is that it like we're talking about alcohol here right yes it did fundamentally change my relationship with alcohol yeah and I think it's fundamentally changed my relationship with food too um and people yeah like what do you speak on that for a minute Chris well I mean it makes you aware of everything that's going on
Starting point is 00:23:04 around you yeah you just constantly everybody's being you know berated with just chemicals every with everything that you do and you just watch people that aren't aware of it and you i mean yes you're judging them but not in a like a negative light right that you can see that they have way more potential than that they're they're putting out they're wasting their lives basically and they're just setting a terrible example and they're not you know leading the way for the people that are around them especially their kids so if they're just constantly you know out of shape eating all these terrible things or that's just something that's gonna be passed down it's one of those things that they know what they they hate the way that clothes fit them or the way they feel going out
Starting point is 00:23:45 in public and that's just something they're passing that pain down to their kids and yeah it's just a you know people need it sounds like a lot of your motivation was for your daughter man yeah that's so important to me it's like don't really the most important thing to me for the last like i said i had to change something five years ago i've basically stayed single in that amount of time except for like a six month period but uh I just, I work out of town a lot. So it's one of those things where I don't expect somebody to just be okay with that. So I don't even put any effort into trying to get what's anybody. And then whenever I come home, I'll go make some money.
Starting point is 00:24:15 I'll come home. We'll go out to, you know, some beach somewhere. So we go on a lot of trips. That's just what I put my money into. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I've. You're trying to set the best
Starting point is 00:24:25 example though yeah i don't know if it's that for sure that and i don't know if i'm trying to like make up for whenever i was a loser there's probably some of that bro and then also like the fact that i know that what i wanted whenever i was her age as in a dad that so i just gave that to her yeah and so she has a better chance than in in this world, for sure. She can see what it takes. And the fact that I told her that I was going to win this, she's known that about you and me listening to you for all these years. She was listening to the MFCO project with me. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:24:54 So for her to see what happens whenever you put in that work. Dude, it's everything. That's the whole thing. That's the whole reason the world is where it is. It's because more people aren't taking that responsibility seriously exactly dude big respect for that man thank you yeah i feel like a lot of people who right now i think there's a cultural movement of people who are realizing you know they're now in their upper 30s or they're in their 40s and they're like holy holy shit, we're the leaders now.
Starting point is 00:25:26 We have to get our lives together. We can't just rely on these people who are now 70 years old to lead the way. It's really cool to see that in culture, man. Really cool that you did that for her. That's badass, man. Thank you. What about you in terms of how it's changed your relationship with food,, with food, alcohol, just people or things that you see your perspective in general? Yeah, that was probably one of the most surprising things that came out of all of this for me.
Starting point is 00:25:55 It feels lonely because I really had to remove myself from the environments that I was typically in. Right. Like I wasn't going out on a Thursday and Friday night anymore. I wasn't hitting up the breweries on a Saturday or going to a bar on Sunday to watch football games and drink, right? And most people do that. And I had to completely remove myself. It was making me so sick. And so it's lonely.
Starting point is 00:26:23 It's kind of lonely. Like not many people are living a life like this. And so I'm kind of in this like, I feel like this weird space of like, I left that table and I want to go to that table. But I'm still like, I still need to finish, you know, all of Live Hard. Like I still have so much more work to do. And so, but I wouldn't trade it for the world I would never trade going back to that ever again and then with my food I mean yeah when I eliminate the foods that trigger me
Starting point is 00:26:56 because I'm a recovering anorexic bulimic compulsive overeater and I had a severe eating disorder in my early 20s. And when I finally got really honest and said, you know what? These certain foods trigger you all the time. This alcohol lowers your inhibition. You go into these foods, then you're binging, you know, whatever the case may be. So like I said before, it was the subtraction of all the stuff. And it was really just getting super clear and honest and stop lying to myself like, no, you've got this. You can go back into that. You can kind of dip your feet.
Starting point is 00:27:31 No, it was never a dipping of the feet. Right. So it was a full on slip and like a tidal wave taking me out. So so it's just been the the best reset. And it came from a place of just having to get absolutely clear on me. Let's talk about that for a second. You mentioned the lying to yourself. Yeah. I think, at least for me, the biggest thing that I get out of the program and living the Live Hard lifestyle, which I do and I have for five years, is the awareness of my internal dialogue.
Starting point is 00:28:11 What I talk about in the program, the bitch voice and the boss voice. Before the program, I was not aware of that dialogue the way that I am now. Now, I knew it was there, but I didn't pay attention to it the way that I am now. Now I knew, I knew it was there, but I didn't pay attention to it the way that I do, you know, and, and that's something that's really helped me develop personally is just becoming more aware of the justifications that I make for things. And I found that that has translated into the situation where I examine my justifications in all areas of my life, not just in these areas that encompass the program. And so it's made me a much better person in general. But it's also triggered the over the last five years, it's triggered the a massive amount of work because I've had to be honest with myself because that awareness is
Starting point is 00:29:06 not just exclusive to don't eat that food or it's okay to not exercise today because you worked hard it's literally everything now i'm like in tune with everything that i have going on and the two the two influences in our minds which is you know the voice of the weak and the voice of the strong, which we all have. Um, I was a complete liar to myself for fucking, I mean, fuck dude, up until five years ago. You know what I'm saying? I could justify anything. I could justify anything to myself. I could say literally in one breath, I could look you in the face and say i'm starting my diet tomorrow i'm going to do this and this and this and then tomorrow in the afternoon you could see me eating a pizza i'd be like yeah dude you know what this happened and i'm gonna start tomorrow like that's that was the thing i was dealing with i couldn't even stick to something for a fucking day it'd be if i got the three or four days i automatically went
Starting point is 00:30:05 where you were talking about earlier chris where i'm like oh dude i went four days dude i'm i deserve that i deserve that pizza i deserve those beers i deserve that night out and that's how i live my life so i can never make any real progress let's let's talk about that a little bit like what what kind of awareness has it brought to your guys' internal dialogues that maybe you didn't have before? Or did you have it before and you just ignored it? Yeah, at least for me. I mean, this program, like you said,
Starting point is 00:30:38 you get really honest with these things, right? These six things, right? They either did, get done, or they did not, get done. Yeah, the score is 100 or it's a zero, right? These six things, right? They either did, get done, or they did not get done. Yeah, the score is 100 or it's a zero, right? That's it. And that type of mindset, when you're training your mind, at least for me, every day, it starts to bleed into relationships that you don't have,
Starting point is 00:30:56 maybe how you're parenting. I have two little girls, finances, home. It just bleeds into everything. And all of a sudden, like, you're this person that just speaks the facts. It gets you centered into reality. Completely. Yes. And also because I'm not numbing out anymore with food and alcohol.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Right? And so I have to face, that was probably one of the coolest things. It's like, you can't numb out with food and alcohol anymore, Carly, so you got to face it right now. And the solution was solved like that. Something I've been putting off for five, seven, ten years,
Starting point is 00:31:32 subjects that I didn't want to talk to my husband about or whatever the case, like, let's go time. Yeah. Like, let's do it, right? Because you don't want to stay in that pain.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Yeah, all the hard things become much easier. Completely. Yeah, dude, I get that a hundred percent yeah like it's it becomes very simple to just address things for what they are yes there's no bullshit there's no and and it takes it does take that clarity get to that point i think for a lot of people yeah you know a lot of people live their life in that cloud of, well, it's not really that. No, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:32:06 It's that. It is. Yeah. It's either this or it's that. Yeah. You know, you either are or you aren't. And I feel like so many people nowadays spend so much of their life in the nether region of indecision or justification to where they can't make any decisions to do anything.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Like you're saying, you know, decisions to do anything like you're saying you know 10 12 years you're holding on to things that you want to address or want to do or things that are maybe you know need to be taken care of and they cause you anxiety they cause you frustration they cause you stress they cause you pain and and then like, when you get clarity on it, you're like, this is over in two seconds. Yeah. You know? And I think I felt that way too. What about you?
Starting point is 00:32:51 It was something I was always aware of. Yeah. But I would always fall victim to it. Yeah. I wouldn't listen to the boss voice. Yeah. I would, you know, cave and go drink or I would eat the crap food or whatever it is. But a lot of people just never
Starting point is 00:33:10 aren't they aren't aware of it because they're they're used in all devices they're drinking or they're eating the foods that are full of crap and then just like you said in that cloud so they aren't even aware they aren't they don't set goals so they don't know what it's like to achieve goals and and that's been so long so that they've done it that they just don't think that they can do anything. So they have that doubt and that they're not able to just make a decision and start doing anything. And then they just keep going back and forth to the same cycle of just starting something and then stopping something and trying to find a new thing, trying to change the plan. They'll even try to alter 75 hard to make it fit there they don't even understand that that's their whole problem your whole problem is that you're taking the circumstances and trying to mold them to you as opposed to just addressing them in reality it's an awareness bro you know i it's also an awareness you point out a really good thing
Starting point is 00:34:03 is that when you tell yourself you're going to do something and you don't do it over and over and over again what do you think happens to the trust factor you have with yourself or the confidence you have in yourself right you know this and you know this but i'm talking to you guys listening you guys have to understand every single time you tell yourself i'm going to do this i'm going to do that and then you don't do it you are diminishing the trust in the belief that you have in yourself, which creates lack of confidence. It creates doubt. It creates low self-esteem. It creates a bad personal identity. It creates all of these things simply because you are lying to yourself. Just like if you had a friend who came to you every single day and he said, hey, I'm going to do this for you. I'm going to do this for you. I'm going gonna do this for you i'm gonna do this for you i'm gonna do this for you at the end of the day none
Starting point is 00:34:48 of the shit's done and then you go in you find them you know laying on the couch and you're like hey uh why didn't the yard get cut why didn't this happen why probably some of you guys feel this way with your kids you're like hey why did this not happen or why did that oh you know and then after you know a week of that you're're like, dude, what the fuck? And they don't realize that that happens to yourself. We do that to ourselves. And so a lot of people, a lot of you guys who are living in this place where you're not happy with yourselves, you think low of yourself. You're frustrated with yourself.
Starting point is 00:35:18 You have doubt in yourself. You don't believe in yourself. You are creating that by making promises that you do not fulfill. And that is the power of the program. The power of this program is very black and white. You either did or you did not. And if you did, you can actually go see that you did. And that creates and builds the confidence, that builds the self-esteem, that builds everything that you're lacking now and it reverses the process. And I wish people would just understand that it's actually very simple. This is not, you know, you don't need to have a psychotherapist to figure this out, bro. You're not going to trust
Starting point is 00:35:54 your friend who lies to you every day. And once he lies to you for 30, 40, 50 days in a row, you're probably going to be like, fuck this guy. Now imagine that over the course of 10 years, imagine that the course over 20 years, you're going to fucking like fuck this guy now imagine that over the course of 10 years imagine that the course over 20 years you're going to fucking hate that person so a lot of you guys that struggle with your own self-loathing you look in the mirror and you're like bro i'm a piece of shit blah blah blah the reason you feel that way is because you don't follow through any of the shit that you say you're going to do ever not even a little shit so start somewhere and start building it that's what's going to fix your problem yeah that's exactly why yeah that's how you get the confidence yeah do the program the way it's supposed to be
Starting point is 00:36:29 done yeah that's where it comes from yeah it's interesting how many people don't understand you know like they think they think it's a fitness it's not fitness bro look i've said this gazillion times if you want to get fucking fit if that's all your goal is, here's the problem with it. Yeah, there's better programs that probably get you more fit quicker. Training twice a day, doing all these things. Are there other ways? Yeah, there probably are. But here's the reality.
Starting point is 00:37:00 The reason that you go up and down with your fitness is because you haven't trained your brain to understand discipline in a true fashion. And so we have to start looking at things differently. It's not, it's not, and this is, this goes for all areas of our life. This doesn't just go for our fitness. our relationships, what we do in our career, what we do in our friendships, what we do, you know, in any area, it's easy to justify the easier route every single time. But until you start addressing the truth to yourself and handling problems, it's literally impossible to feel good about yourself. You can't, you cannot do it. You can go to every therapy session. You can read every book. You can go to every seminar you can Fucking say all the affirmations, but at the end of the day, dude
Starting point is 00:37:52 It's where the tire hits the fucking pavement and it has to be done And that's what people want to avoid all this shit. They want to avoid the hard stuff You know, I want the easier out. Give me up, give me a pill. Give me a, this, give me a, that, you know, I'm going to say some nice stuff about myself. Cool, man. That's all good stuff. But the reality is until you legitimately start building life to where you can look at yourself in the mirror 50 days into the program or a year into the live hard program and say, Holy shit, dude, I am a completely different fucking human being.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Now you're talking about real confidence. Now you're talking about power because you understand that you are in control of the outcome. Like, dude, it's hard to be confident when you think that you're not in control of the outcome. And I think this is the biggest lie that we deal with in society right now. We have so many people that believe that the way they are has to do with you know some sort of cause that is outside themselves and so because
Starting point is 00:38:53 they believe that they abandon every single controllable that they could possibly have saying well it you know what my parents are fat i'm fat uh my parents are broke i'm broke uh everybody else is a loser so it is what it is and we start telling ourselves all this shit and we abandon all the things which is most of them that make a difference in our lives what we eat what we put in our mind how we treat people you know like what we actually do how how hard we work. These things build a sense of self-worth that cannot be replicated any other way than just doing it. And the controllables are very simple. What are you putting in your mouth? What are you putting in your brain?
Starting point is 00:39:35 How are you moving your body? Right? Like these things are simple and everybody can control them. And when you start to control those things, you can learn that the outcome is very predictable on the other side. And I think having that knowledge, which both of you have expressed that you feel that now, that control over your lives, how much different does that make you feel about things? You know, I don't think people ever really truly, I think people, some people do, but I don't think people ever truly get to a point where through traditional fitness. OK, they get their body fit.
Starting point is 00:40:11 All right. But that person's and you guys are both examples of this. You've trained your entire lives. All right. How many times were you fucking ripped before you did the program? Plenty. Plenty. How many times for you?
Starting point is 00:40:24 Plenty. Me too. Yes. OK, so I'm out here saying, you know, people are out here talking like, oh, it's fucking physical. No, it's not physical, bro. It's about teaching you that the controllables that you are in control of can very predictably control the outcome of your life. And when you start to realize that it's not just in the wind and it's not just up to chance and it's not just luck and you are actually in control, that's a powerful fucking feeling, dude.
Starting point is 00:40:53 That's the ultimate confidence. That's where we're trying to get people to. And I think if we had a society of people that understood that, how much different would society look? Night and day. I mean... It'd be the completely opposite of what we have yes most problems would probably be gone yeah you know yeah yeah dude i don't know man you know i mean have you guys seen that like like people have people that you know have seen you do what you do like talk about that because like you know the people
Starting point is 00:41:22 who have seen and then been inspired i want to hear about that stuff yeah I mean I'll speak I mean we yeah it's you know it trips me out Andy is people have seen my transformation and people know my story and you see a picture of me and I looked just like you and now you see me and they just sit there and they're just like, you want to order a pizza? And I'm like, huh? Like, don't you want to get from point A to point B? Yeah. You're right where I was.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Yeah. Like, what are you waiting for? Why are you leaving so much on the table? And I have so many people and it pains me so much that are in that spot and they won't fucking move yeah they won't and it's just like it's it's so simple how much of that do you think is the ignorance of never experiencing anything other than what they currently have you know maybe I think it's a lot of ego I think it's a lot of ego. I think it's a lot of ego. I think at least it's what I feel like.
Starting point is 00:42:27 It's like, no, I'll figure it out on my own. I'll do it this way. Yeah. It's never worked that way. You've been sitting 30, 40, 50 pounds overweight for the last six years. I just transformed my life in 75 fucking days. Yeah. You know what?
Starting point is 00:42:42 But but, you know, I was talking to my husband about this. I've always been. I think it comes from sports i've always been like if somebody is killing it right and is doing better than me and has an edge i'm always like what are you doing show me i want to know because that's how i always made myself better as a fighter so i think i developed that skill you know where you you don't have the ego and you just like give it to me right and so yeah it just it blows my mind because I see so many people that are in that space addicted to the alcohol you know just you know they're good for a couple days and then Thursday comes around Friday Saturday so and then so they're just back into that cycle can't even go the whole January
Starting point is 00:43:21 dry right you know they get to day 28 or 29. So it feels like an ego thing. Like, yeah, she did that, but I'm going to do it this way. And I don't need to do all that. I can, and it's just like, no, this is the pathway. I think a lot, I mean, we can't force anybody to change, right? Like you have to get so fucking sick of yourself that you like literally look in the mirror and you're like, I fucking hate that motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:43:45 That's how I was. Yeah, I was. Yeah. And and and I think most people can relate to that feeling at some point in their life. Right. And that's OK. It's not supposed to be that way, guys. You could fix that.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Yes. And the thing is, is I feel like a lot of reason that people don't choose to go to really get their shit together is because they are ignorant to the fact of how good they're supposed to actually feel because of how normalized being like what we would call normal is right like we turn on the tv dude all we see is pizza commercials snack commercials alcohol commercials and then pharma commercials, right? When they show us what a normal man's supposed to look like in his late 30s or 40s, what do they talk about? Dad bod. You know, oh, it's okay to be a little shitty, right?
Starting point is 00:44:38 It's okay to be soft. And you know what, dude? Sometimes you are a little soft, and that's okay. That's life you know we're not talking about living this every single minute of your entire life that's why the program's broken up into phases because when you start to recognize that your edge is getting a little dull it's time for a little tune-up and you're in control of when you do those phases except the first and the last one so you know i you know, I think there's a big problem
Starting point is 00:45:06 with how normal it is for people to live below standard and how we're propagated that in society. And I don't think most people realize like how good they can look, how good they can feel, how good they can feel about themselves and how good they can feel about other people and how much control they have over things that they seem to not have control over. You know, like, dude, Chris, you know, when you're talking about alcohol, bro, you know, I know that guy. Like, I know what that guy's about.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Like, dude, if I come to you on Monday or Monday, Chris starts his diet and I come to him on Wednesday and say, Hey, let's go get some beers. He's fucking saying yes. Yeah. No matter what. Yep. Like, dude, I was that guy too. I was the guy that could not say no. Someone said a beer in front of me.
Starting point is 00:45:53 They said, I know you're on a diet, but dude, come on. I had no power, like none. And it wasn't until I like really like thought about it very simply like very simply and looked at that beer and I was like That's a fucking inanimate object that has that is nothing that's a that's a glass with some fucking liquid in it and I'm letting that control my life fuck that yeah, and that was where I got to with it I got and I got that way about food too i started looking at food and i'm like that that's a fucking pizza bro that's not like like fuck that pizza you know what i'm saying like as stupid as that sounds like that's the i i almost
Starting point is 00:46:38 got like mad at the shit yeah you know where i'm like dude're not going to tell me that this fucking food or this brand or this advertisement or this urge is going to control my life. You know? And, and I think when you start looking at it that way, it flips switches for people. You know, it's not just about looking good at the pool, bro. It's not just about being fit. It's not about having muscles and abs. When you think about it like that, it's very superficial abs when you think about it like that it's very superficial when you think about it as an actual mentality that you need to have in all areas of your life it changes your shit and um yeah i don't know man that's for me that's been a big that's been a big thing is understanding you know and and and controlling what i can and not allowing things that shouldn't
Starting point is 00:47:26 control me to control me yeah what do you think well it's easy to let things just take over your day especially if you don't aren't aware of what you're doing to yourself yeah people will just look at their journey of they have to lose 100 pounds and just at how hard it's going to be yeah but they don't take into consideration the person that they're going to change into as they're you know reaching that goal so they're they think it's just so far away and then they don't realize how far they've already actually came yeah so they just don't start and they don't realize what the feelings that come as you're losing that weight you're going to feel better you're going to be more confident you're going to just feel better about everything in general but everybody's just looking for the easy fix the overnight success the the shot the pill whatever to lose the weight
Starting point is 00:48:09 fastest without putting in the work the fucking ozempic shots yeah yeah yeah well i've always been the in shape friend so people have always came to me for workout advice that most of them never took so it came to the point where i just got tired of giving it because people i've had people take advice from me and then go pay for a diet from somebody else and get basically the same thing and not do either one yeah so i just got to where i'm like if you're gonna pay me i guess i'll do it but yeah that's not something i started offering or anything yeah i'm capable of doing it but yeah but no it's just it's a matter of just taking initiative and and accountability of your life and it's a matter of you know setting the example
Starting point is 00:48:46 that you need to set for the people all in your in your circle whether it's just your friends and your family or the people you work with you need to be the one that steps up and changes things that way they can see what is possible they may not see it in their own life or have people around them that are doing it might take two three years for them to understand yeah but as long as you're living that example and you're a constant reminder, eventually it's going to catch on, man. Yeah, that's how I feel where I'm at right now. People are starting to come around to it in my life
Starting point is 00:49:11 or the people that see me doing it. Like I said, I was probably a loser, I would say, five years ago. Yeah. Whenever I started taking more initiative and stopped playing the victim is what it was. Yeah. Thinking I was owed something.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Changing your story from being a victim to overcoming the shit. Exactly. Yeah, bro, that's a huge deal, man. Changing your entire identity. I just posted about this today. It's about changing how you see yourself. I think that people lack the ability to understand that who the reality that you're currently living is actually the byproduct of somebody else that made choices for you which happens to be a past
Starting point is 00:49:57 version of you many months ago right or even years ago and you don't have to accept that. So when it comes to changing your identity and who it is you are, you could actually change who you are right now. The thing is, though, is that you have to back it up with those actions. And that's what's going to change the reality 30, 60, 90 days from now or a year from now or two years from now or five years from now, however big the play is you're trying to run. And so that's how i think about it i think about it like if you want to be a different person you can be a different person today but you have to start having the different person behavior to produce the reality and that takes time and so like when people you know like because i was that
Starting point is 00:50:41 guy i was 350 pounds right yeah i'm looking at the mountain I have to climb and I'm like, fuck, how am I going to climb this? And I'm going to climb it just like everybody climbs everything one fucking step at a time. And that's the reality, dude. And if we could plug in every single person on this earth, if we could take their finger and stick it in like an electrical socket and that they got a, they got like a one hour experience of what their life would actually be like what they would actually be like how they would feel how they would look how their relationships would be how their careers would be how their parenting would be how much better everything would be if they took care and took their mental discipline and toughness game seriously because that's the core problem.
Starting point is 00:51:27 The core problem is your inability to make the correct decisions consistently enough. That is the core problem. The problem isn't that you're fat. The problem is you can't make the right decision when it comes time to eat. The problem isn't that you're a drunk. The problem is you can't make the right decision when you start to drink. Right. Right. Yep. That's the problem. So we need to fix the core problem. And if we could take every motherfucker on the planet and stick their finger in a fucking
Starting point is 00:51:51 electrical socket that let them experience for one hour what it would look like to actually be the optimal version of themselves, every single fucking human on the earth would stop every single thing that they're doing and dedicate all of their time all of their energy all of their resources to becoming that instantly because that's how much better it is so if you're sitting there and you're like fuck i hate where i'm at i'm disgusted by myself good that's a great place to fucking start now let's change that today and let's start following that up with the action and eventually and depending on how far you are away from it if you're 500 pounds gonna take a little longer but the reality is for the amount of time you've lived in this unacceptable version
Starting point is 00:52:40 of yourself and you've been miserable the time to correct it is minimal in the big scheme of things. In one year, and I don't care who you are, in one year, you can change your entire fucking life. And dude, I see it every day. I see it by the thousands. And at this point, by the hundreds of thousands. But I just wish we could come up with a way that would legitimately like make people like
Starting point is 00:53:06 let people experience what they could actually be and be like because dude you can't comprehend it when you're living that life dude when you're when you're drinking all that alcohol and you're that much overweight and you're looking in the mirror and you're like fuck i'm gross you put on your pants you know they don't fit you know you don't go to pool parties. You don't go to weddings. You know, you dread going out in public. Like all of these things, this takes away from the human experience in such a drastic way. And people get used to it. They start living in that reality and it becomes their normal.
Starting point is 00:53:39 And they're just like, well, this is what I got. No, motherfucker. It's not what you got. What you got is the potential to be everything that you want to be and you're not exercising any of the actions that will materialize that potential reality and if we could just get people to understand that as a whole fuck dude the entire everything about the world will look completely different completely how people treat themselves or how people treat others like fuck i go on and on and on go ahead it would be literally like walking into first form
Starting point is 00:54:11 everything would be operating it would be trash on the ground places or well people yeah bro people would be taking initiatives yeah to go to do the extra all the extra work it just that's cool that's what when i run, bro, that's going to be my campaign. Yes. Come visit First Form. And that's what it'll be like. I love it. Yeah. I love it.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Yeah. We got some awesome people here, man. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Everybody is super jacked. Just so y'all know. Everybody is walking around just jacked. It is so cool.
Starting point is 00:54:39 If they're not super jacked, they have a tremendous story of where they came from. Right. And they're working on it. It's amazing. Yeah. Everybody here works hard. Yeah. It's badass. It's a great place to come. Every day I wake up, dude, I legit. It's one of the things I think about literally every day. I'm like, fuck, dude, how lucky are you to come to a place every single day where everybody's trying? Everybody cares. Everybody's trying everybody cares everybody's trying to be better just to be in that environment it's it's amazing yeah feel very fortunate to be
Starting point is 00:55:13 in that situation i'm proud to be a part of it i'm a part of the legionnaire program yeah i joined it out me too yeah that's awesome yeah just a couple days ago really i passed the interview with connor yes yeah that's what's up yeah that is what's up that's cool i'm so excited yep i pretty much i think i sent signed up the same day i sent in my essay for the contest yeah mid-november that's cool man but yeah i just i mean you stand for what's right and for for our freedom and for our rights and you're taking a hit and you don't ever you know want anything in return except for people to live to their highest standard and support each other.
Starting point is 00:55:47 I do want some things in return. I want some motherfuckers to actually go out and fucking do shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want you guys just to consume my shit and sit there and be a success zombie or one of these weirdos that goes to every seminar. This is why I got out of the seminar stuff. Like, I won't even go to the shit anymore because every time i go to one it's the same fucking people and it's like bro
Starting point is 00:56:08 you're the same yeah the fuck are you doing yeah it gets old man uh and by the way i also want you to buy my shit i'm just going to be real about that too like yeah that's i'm giving value i want to support me yeah please you don't say it like i'm not gonna sit here bullshit right yeah keep it fucking real but you know i try to over deliver the value so i appreciate the fuck out of that man for both you guys it's badass yeah you changed mine and my daughter's life in the same that's awesome man you know process so it means a lot to me too just that for everything that you stood up for and never gave up all the stories that you have of all the times where you could have and you didn't and then this has all been created yeah and it's still well those stories keep coming bro that like
Starting point is 00:56:49 look dude if you're going to be on the path it's a constant thing and this is why mental toughness and discipline is so hard man it's it's and it's so it's so crucial you know if you're going to do anything man like whether it's building a life uh as a family or building a great family or building a great business or uh an organization a charity a church whatever whatever you're trying to do these things are abnormal it's an abnormal thing just let's just take it from a life aspect right it's an abnormal thing which is weird but it's an abnormal thing to want to go out and be your best. Like that's the society we live in.
Starting point is 00:57:29 It's like you're looked at as a weirdo. Yeah. You know, what do you mean you don't want to do this? What do you mean you don't want to do that? What do you mean? What do you mean? Yeah. Like this is what we're supposed to do.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Yeah. You know, and that's, that's where I'm at now. So it does, there is a loneliness factor to it in terms of you can't really relate the same way that you used to be able to to everybody else. Exactly. But the people that you do connect with, the people that are on that wavelength, the relationships are much, much, much deeper and better. Agreed. And that's something that like I'm very grateful for too. So it does shrink your circle, but it improves the quality of those relationships.
Starting point is 00:58:07 At least that's been my experience. Same. I have far less people that I talk to on a regular basis, but the people I do talk to are very, they're quality individuals that contribute to what I'm trying to do and I contribute to what they're trying to do. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Yeah. Can I kind of, I want to circle back on you know identity and habits and um i you know i mentioned that you know i'm recovering anorexic bulimic compulsive i had to go into rehab i have spent thousands upon thousands of hours in a chair yes in a chair with a therapist i've been on paxaxil. I've been on, you know, antidepressants. Nothing has rebooted me as fast as 75 hard. Nothing. So if somebody is looking for a pathway, somebody is looking for a program to create a new identity and to become the best versions of themselves, it is this. It is this fucking program right here And I I mean I was up against the darkest hours of my life. I was up against the gnarliest depression
Starting point is 00:59:11 I couldn't believe that I had fallen off the horse after 20 years Like how could I be worse off than when I was in rehab? like this is crazy and to be rebooted in 75 days and to feel that like I Said it, it's like the most powerful drug, but it's like, what can't I do? I'm unstoppable. Yeah. Like, so I just have to say, if anybody is looking for a pathway, it is this. What do you think? What do you think about this, though?
Starting point is 00:59:40 Because this is something that people say, and I experienced this, too. What about when you're not on the program? So I'm miserable. Okay. I don't know about Chris, but I am miserable. Can I tell you something? So I was off of it and oh, I hated it. And the second I logged back in on February 1st, literally, Andy, I go, oh, thank God.
Starting point is 00:59:59 I felt home. Yeah. And I felt safe from myself. I felt safe again. Like I didn't, it was like, here we go was like here we go let's fucking go it's go time yeah and that's it's interesting because it's my favorite do you do you agree with that or yeah i'm good when i'm on it and i'm and i may have done a good job while i'm on it but i'm still not to the point where that that didn't correct me all the way and it's not going to correct somebody listening to this they think it's just going to be 75 days it's
Starting point is 01:00:24 going to be the rest of your life yeah yeah that's what i think is cool about charged version or a boost to get you going is the 75 so yeah well dude that's what i think is cool about the program the way it's laid out is like you can adjust the program um in terms of when you do the phases as opposed in terms of when you think you need it. Yeah. And that's where the awareness aspect comes in. Right. Like there's one thing to have awareness of your internal dialogue.
Starting point is 01:00:51 There's another thing to have macro awareness of your overall life where you can look at it and you can say, all right, I'm slipping a little bit. My shit ain't on point. I don't feel right. It's time for me to get shit broke back in for 30 days. Right. And then you go back to the 30 days it sharpens your blade you go back out there you fight a little bit your blade gets a little dull and you repeat that process over and over and over again and for me and i know everybody likes
Starting point is 01:01:15 to have their own opinions and that's okay but for me that's been the only way i've been able to maintain i've i've i lost 110 pounds in 2016 and I haven't, and I'm in the best shape of my life. I continue to get better and better and better. Um, I, I wouldn't, I've never been able to maintain like that ever. And it's because of the awareness that I now have because of what we're talking about. You know, people say, well, what about after 75 days? Well, if you go off the program, guess what? If you did it right, you're gonna feel like shit, you know, and that shouldn't surprise you because you feel so good when you're doing what you're supposed to do that when you don't do what you're supposed to do, guess what?
Starting point is 01:01:56 You're supposed to feel like shit. So like it realigns your baseline standard in a way where like it's, it's, you you you really can't live another way unless you totally abandon it completely and you just act like you never fucking heard of it ever it's it's like a it's like one it's like one of those things like once you see it you can't unsee it you can't unsee it at all at all in every area of your life right and it's and it's um yeah i think that's like even though it's a hard thing, like when I'm not in it, I'm miserable. But it's so good to know that this is home. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:30 And I have that. And you also know that when you are feeling off, you know the solution. Exactly. I can come back to home at any time and sharpen my, and that is so empowering because I can't tell you how many times I've done this program or that, or I've with this therapist or that and it's just like you're just out in outer space like and i'm like there's nothing worse there's nothing worse than being a place that you are or in that dark hopeless doubt grossed out with yourself place and then not know what to do about it yeah like that's that's what creates the hopelessness. That's what creates the shit where we're like,
Starting point is 01:03:08 well, fuck, I might as well just give up, you know? And one of the things I like about the program is, is, uh, is this aspect we're talking about because like,
Starting point is 01:03:17 dude, once you, if you do it right, you're kind of fucked. You, you really are like, there's no going back now. I,
Starting point is 01:03:23 yeah. When I told my husband it was day five and I go, I'm in this for life. And he goes, he like goes, what? And I'm like, I go, well, it's 75 days and the other ones are 30, 30. He goes, okay, okay, cool. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, let's do this. Let's do this.
Starting point is 01:03:36 And I mean, it's a total part of our whole culture of our family now. You know, I mean, my little girl, my seven-year-old got up at 4 30 in the morning on the day i left that was yesterday did it was that yesterday yeah you're going on no sleep dude i'm on like two hours of sleep um and did my 45 minute outdoor walk we're out the door by 5 a.m i mean they everybody is just all hands on it's a it's a part of the culture of our family but it started with me first right and it's like you always talk about it starts with us then our family then our neighborhood then our community city state country there right that's it that's the thing that's the jam right there yeah everybody wants i you know
Starting point is 01:04:16 everybody wants to talk about what's wrong in the world but they don't want to address the source of it yep and the source of it is our own selves it always is it's always going to come down to that and you can pretend that you're not a leader you could pretend that you don't matter you could tell yourself that no one cares but those are all bullshit lies and usually they're they come from one of two places one you either have just beaten yourself to the point or you've been beaten to the point by the world that you truly believe you're irrelevant which is not true okay you have drastic amounts of relevance and importance and contributions to make that you're not being able to make because you're living this life that is just so below your standard and you've become accustomed to it um or two they think it's someone else's responsibility and there's some way there's
Starting point is 01:05:03 some other way to fix it i i don't know how to fix i don't know how to fix the world without fixing the individual i mean i don't how can you do that you can't yeah so like and the cool thing is is then people will say well you can't fix the whole world okay that might be true but what if you start to live a better life and what if all the people around you become aligned with the path that you're on and now your entire world is that way yeah it makes life a lot better a lot you know because you're dealing with people who are aligned who are pushing you who are helping you who are picking you up when you're down who are making your life better as opposed to just some drinking buddies you know and by the way i like my drinking buddies but i don't want to
Starting point is 01:05:45 be around them all the time because they're not on the same path so i think one of the best things that came along with doing the program is that like people probably look at you and see you don't really if you took a loss it it's not as big of a deal or maybe it is a huge deal but it doesn't affect you as much as it would have earlier in your business or in your life and even for me especially i noticed i would dwell on things that were weren't going to matter in a few days or whatever and i would spread them out for months that was something that i was able to just you you're able to handle and able to work through what you're dealing with a lot faster so it doesn't seem like as much of a loss as you would if you weren't controlling the things that you are you are capable and you're able to yeah with the water
Starting point is 01:06:28 and the workouts yeah all the things that you put in your brain yeah that's one thing the one of the best things i can't i got out of the program yeah dude it does you know we have to recognize the importance of what chris is talking about because what ch Chris is talking about here is reducing the amount of time that it takes for you to realize that when you take a loss that there's a lesson there and if you can become more aware and reduce the amount of time that you dwell or feel frustrated or angry or stressed because you had a loss you have more time moving forward the right to move forward the right way. And so a lot of people do that, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:07 They take a hit or they have a problem or they get sick or they go through a divorce or they have a business problem. And it takes them years to get out of it when in real simple terms, if they would just say, hey, okay, this is what happened. This is what I learned. And I'm going to move forward not worrying about that anymore. And I'm just going to get back to it. And I think that's part of, you know, coming up with the start back from day one the next day. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Right? Which, you know, people either do or they don't. Right. I see that a lot. I see a lot of people are like, oh, I failed 75. I'm going to try again in two months. No, that's not the point. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:44 The point is get back at it tomorrow. But yeah, dude, I agree with that 100%. I agree with that. It's very helpful, though, if somebody's dealing with that and they have a long history of having, I mean, that's probably most people. Yeah. They take their losses and they take them too hard. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:00 And they dwell on them. It becomes their identity. Yeah. I'm a loser. Yeah. That's their whole, and they try to, it's just identity yeah i'm a loser yeah right that's their whole yeah and they try to it's just a race to the bottom yeah i like how when you talk about yourself dude you talk about how i i was a loser yeah because you know you're not anymore right
Starting point is 01:08:14 it's fucking cool exactly i noticed that right away the first time you said it so so let's talk about this for a second and then we'll uh we'll kind of get in some final words. You know, can you guys talk a little bit about how you've noticed the impact of the characteristics and the skills of discipline, grit, fortitude, perseverance in other areas of your life besides just this after the program? How has this affected your life? In every way. I take pride in everything that I'm doing now. I'm walking around. If there's trash on the ground, I'm picking it up. If there's a cart that's out next to me, I'm putting it away. And that translates into every other aspect where I'm spending every little time, any little time I have with my daughter,
Starting point is 01:09:00 or I'm finding something to either talk to her about if I'm not in town or just any little detail with that or also whenever I'm at work it's translated to that where I'm trying to do the best job just so it's looking good for me and as well as the people that I'm working for directly because I'm working under a contracting company and I'm out as a contractor so I'm representing several people basically so it's just a matter of taking pride in everything that you do and it just you do the extra work you are showing up on time you know looking proper and then just doing the extra going the extra mile basically and everything everything and how do you feel about yourself living that way you've you got you take you have you know it's immense confidence you feel superior yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:46 People don't like that shit. I know. They think you're better. You think you're better. No, motherfucker, I know I'm better. Yeah. I'm doing all the shit you won't do. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:53 So that's that. Sorry about it. Yeah, I like that. I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry either, man. Fuck you. Do the shit. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:00 Yeah, that's how I feel too, brother. Like, I'm with you. That's why I said that. Because I want people to know what you're really saying what you're really saying is i do the shit that you motherfuckers won't do so i feel great about myself and you don't that's what you're saying yep right or wrong that's what i'm saying yeah what do you think yeah it um you know i did this program so that i can show up for me and then I can pour into my family and my girls and my husband and my friends. I mean, I was so absent and not locked in and it just,
Starting point is 01:10:34 it bleeds into every aspect of my life, you know? So yeah, everything is done. Like I just, I always start the day, the score is zero and you got to get to a hundred. And if you get to a hundred, you failed. Right. And so I'm a stay at home mom. I run our house. I, you know, I'm in charge of a lot of stuff that makes, you know, my husband's world go around. My two daughters will go around and it's like I got to be locked in. And it just and then I think to like having integrity in every area of my life, you know, and not lying to myself and not just doing 80% or 70% here, but it's a hundred percent in every area. And, and once you do that and you talk about this, it just manufactures your momentum. It manufactures your momentum and
Starting point is 01:11:18 confidence in like, oh, there's nothing that can stop me at all, you know? So, yeah, it's the best. And then, you know, I'm sure you do. I think we all do. We have like a little Andy on our shoulder all the time, right? Like you see trash on the sidewalk, you better pick that up, you know what I mean? Or anything, right? It's just you become a better human. You just do.
Starting point is 01:11:41 So, thank you. Thank you for this program no man thank you guys for like taking the initiative to fix your lives like that's what we need we need we need people to show people at scale what it looks like to live a higher standard and's, that's where we need, like, you know, people sometimes get confused about how all these shows fit together with personal development and what's going on in the world. And it's like, bro, we're trying to make the world better. Right. And you have to understand that all of us have a personal responsibility and obligation to contribute to that. And when we look at, you know, all of these problems, it's real easy to say,
Starting point is 01:12:25 well, that's not my fault. I didn't do that. This, that, the other. But the truth of the matter is, is we all are responsible for the state of the world when we aren't living at standard, when we're walking by that grocery cart or we're not picking up that trash or we're not following some sort of a healthy program for ourselves or we're, you know, a hundred pounds overweight and thinking that that's okay. It's not okay, bro, because it's not just about you. You're hurting other people. You're lowering the acceptable standard for everybody around you, which is going to cause them to be miserable and cause them to be unhappy and cause them to be frustrated. And dude, if we want a better world, we have to take responsibility for our place in the world,
Starting point is 01:13:03 which is to set an example for other people. That's all we can really do. We can't make other people do things. I mean, but we can inspire other people to do things by showing them what it's like to overcome. And this is when we talk about the victim culture identity that a lot of people live in. It's easy to live there because there's no work, but it's incredibly painful because you have to live in this prison knowing that, you know, you're not really that fucked up, bro. You're just not trying. And that's the reality for most people. Most people just are not fucking trying that hard. And they'll say, I'm trying real hard. You don't know. Okay. What'd you eat today? Yeah. What'd you drink today? How'd you drink today how'd you train today oh i didn't train at all okay well you ain't fucking trying man what'd you read i didn't read
Starting point is 01:13:49 shit i scrolled instagram all day okay well like i said you're not trying you are not trying because you are abandoning the things that you can control and saying i have no control which is a lie it's not the truth. Well, that's another one of the best things about the program is it forces you to effectively manage your time and you see all the time that you're wasting every single day. That's a huge deal. It worked for me. People say, oh, I don't have time for it.
Starting point is 01:14:18 You actually have way more time. You have to be so dialed. Yeah. So dialed. When you're that dialed in you realize how much time you waste it's crazy yeah it's so that was i remember the first time i did it that was like my big revelation i was like holy shit yeah that's yeah i have way more time than i thought i had the lies right yeah yeah 100 that was a big one that i didn't see because at that
Starting point is 01:14:39 point in time you know i was extremely busy with with our companies and I really felt like I didn't have the time, but I did once I broke it down. Once you're aware of that, I'll catch myself now. If I'm just sitting around scrolling my phone, I'll force myself to get on my treadmill at my house and do that. Or sometimes I'll just be doing it. It almost sickens me to where I just want to throw it. Catching myself do this and it's just like you talk about how uh one day i need we need to look at cell phones like smokers yeah some cigarettes now yeah and it's just hopefully that's where it goes i think i said that even just yesterday i said a number of times yeah yeah you said it today too that's just true yeah i think one day
Starting point is 01:15:19 we're going to look at cell phones and technology and say this is a predatory technology that stole our lives it created a false reality that isn't even real and we're going to look at it and people are going to say dude you're still on fucking you're still on social media bro yeah like i think that's where we're going to end up uh eventually because dude we're seeing we're seeing a lot of the young kids starting to like go away they're getting these cell phone blockers that block all the apps on their phone and they just want a simple phone a flip phone or a i saw an ad the other day for this device that apparently is pretty pretty uh popular with young people i forget what it's called it's like the block or something i can't remember but it's a device you put on your phone to block out all the distractions
Starting point is 01:15:59 and uh apparently that's a thing with like a lot of the younger people so i think they're even starting to recognize that, you know, already. I haven't heard of that. I'll check it out. Which is cool. So we'll end with this. And I want to hear from both of you guys. We talked earlier about what it would look like if we could stick, you know, the image of someone's highest potential in their brain and let them experience that for let's say an hour
Starting point is 01:16:28 or a day all right and i'm curious knowing what you know now and whichever one of you wants to go first is fine with me what would you say to the version of you before the way you were before and you you are you now what would you say to that past version of you to get them to step up and step into the the true power that they have as an individual what would you say i think the main thing that hit me hits me is they're they when they're pulling a bunch of old people that are their biggest regret is always how they the time that they didn't spend with their kids and that so that's one of the main things that turned me around is that that's the most important thing in my life I didn't I grew up without that figure in my life so I know what that's like and I don't want her to have to deal
Starting point is 01:17:19 with that and I think that maybe realizing that sooner because like I told you you earlier, I feel like I'm on like a time limit. Maybe I don't know what it is. Maybe she's because she's almost 18 or if it's maybe she's going to get married eventually or something. I'm just running out of time. Hold on, brother. We are on a time limit. Yeah. We are on a time limit.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Right. So I'm just trying to make the most of it. You're just aware of it now. Yeah. And that's one thing that people, once you get on this journey, you can't, there's no looking back. It's just a matter of, you know, it's, you're going to have to understand that it's going to suck. It's going to, the price is going to be different every single day.
Starting point is 01:17:52 You just have to keep going into it and doing each thing that you need to do, no matter what that costs each day. Yeah. And, but it's, I mean, it's probably intimidating looking at it like that, but it's, it's going to be something that you're going to regret not doing sooner. That's the same thing with the program. Whenever I did those episodes every day, I was talking about, uh, just pick a diet and pick a book and get started tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:18:14 Quit waiting around until, I mean, after the, your, your event or your holiday or all this crap that people put off doing things for to just get started. Like you said, you can change yourself right now. And you, I mean so starting the program tomorrow would be the best bet for anybody listening to this what about you yeah if I could go back knowing what I know now um the first thing that comes back to me is just like go do it now because what I would always fall into was I I'm not ready. And I can't tell you how many times I have passed on so many opportunities, career advancements, whatever the case, I'm not ready. And how that just absolutely was like chipping away at my soul and my self just pounding on my door like, Carly, you got to go now. Like, there's not as much time as you think. Your kids are growing. Your husband's getting older. You're
Starting point is 01:19:10 getting older. Stop warming the bench of your own life. Right. And so fucking go. Here's here's the pathway. Seventy five hard. Live hard. Fucking go. And you'll figure it out on the way in. You don't need to know all the details. You don't need to know if it's going to work on a Saturday night or a Thursday when you have all just fucking go. It's going to figure itself out. That's what I would tell myself. I love that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:35 I mean, it's just the fucking truth because the time is now. Yep. Yep. Well, guys, I appreciate you guys making the trip in and coming on the show. Thank you for having us. This has been amazing. More than that, I appreciate you taking responsibility for your own lives and understanding that it's more important than just you because it's not just you.
Starting point is 01:19:56 It's about everybody around you and everybody around them and everybody around them. And the ripple effect of the change that we need in society has to start somewhere and believe it or not no matter how irrelevant or how small or how insignificant you might feel now you have no understanding of the change that you are capable of creating in the world until you start to live at the best possible you standard and you guys have decided to do that and the impact is real and you see it in your own lives. And we've heard about it for the last, you know, 90 minutes or so. Um, and I'm just very appreciative of that. It means a lot to me. It means a lot to a lot of
Starting point is 01:20:35 people listening. You know, a lot of us here, we're all hungry for a better world, a better existence, a better culture, a better society. And to see people step up and take responsibility for their own lives, knowing that that's their role, it means a lot to me personally. So, you know, I appreciate you guys making the trip in, but I really appreciate that part of it. Thank you so much. Thank you for having us. This has been an absolute dream come true. Thank you for leading the trip in but uh i really appreciate that part of it thank you so much thank you for having us this has been an absolute dream come true thank you for leading the way yes 100 a lot of this you guys are leading the way i'm not leading the way this has gotten so big now bro
Starting point is 01:21:15 that it's you guys that are leading the way it's you guys listening that are leading the way it's not me bro it's you guys and if you guys would think about it like that and start really understanding that it is you, it's you. It's not me. It's not some dude that you hear on the radio. It's not some dude with a microphone or some followers. It's fucking you and you are the reason that it will cease to be fucked up if you choose to go follow through with living the highest standard, the best version of you. Because the potential that every single individual has listening to this is beyond your own comprehension at this point. You're never going to know what you're capable of. You're never going to know what your life is like until you go out and commit to building that. And it is very, very important that any of you struggling, any of you sitting there right now saying he's not talking to me. No, I am talking especially to you. Okay. So understand your life matters. Your role in this world matters. And it is a personal responsibility
Starting point is 01:22:23 and obligation for any of you that care about the health of this country to go out and live the proper standard and i'm sitting in front of a bunch of individuals here because it's not just these two it's the other people in this room that do that on a daily basis and and that makes me incredibly hopeful for the future so don't thank me bro thank yourself because you fucking did that and you did that and you guys out there listening you did that i didn't do shit i get you guys sending me messages every fucking day thanks for everything you did motherfucker i didn't do anything i said some words into this fucking microphone bro you know what i'm saying you guys did the work and that makes you the leaders so if you can understand that you are the leaders
Starting point is 01:23:05 things can really change so let's leave it at that.

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