REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 677. Andy, Chris Frueh & DJ CTI: Baltimore Ship, Venezuelan TikToker Caught By ICE & Sam Bankman-Fried Sentenced To 25 Years

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

In today's episode, Andy & DJ are joined in the studio by psychologist and professor Chris Frueh. They discuss the Baltimore Key Bridge collapsing after being hit by a ship, the Venezuelan TikToker who told people to invade US homes grimacing in his mugshot after being nabbed by ICE, and Sam Bankman-Fried being sentenced to 25 years in prison for orchestrating FTX fraud.

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What's up, dude? Hey. Got a special one here today. We do. We have a- Fellow Missourian. Yeah. Are you from Missouri? Columbia.. We have a fellow Missourian. Yeah. Are you from Missouri?

Columbia. Yeah. I thought you just had family there. Well, I do, but that's because I grew up there. All right. My mom's in the same house. Good old Missouri. I felt it when he walked in.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Felt the little Hoosier. I got a good buddy of mine on the show today who's come all the way from Hawaii, Dr. Chris Free. What's happening, brother? Hey, thanks for having me. So Chris, Chris has a new book and it just came out.

It's called Operator Syndrome. And we're going to talk a little bit about this today. Let everybody know kind of your background. We've been friends for a while we talk frequently but uh let's let's hear from you yeah sure where do you want to start well how'd you get to become we are okay well we got to go back a long ways so um i was six years old um and uh i was in taiwan with my mother because my dad was a Vietnam veteran in Saigon and my mom got it in her head that we should go be as close as possible.

So my dad, not a combatant, he was a Air Force doc. And so I guess what I'm saying here is I grew up kind of in the shadow of the Vietnam War. And by the time I was a teenager, young teenager in the 1970s, the Vietnam War turned into a, you know, pretty much a clusterfuck for both our countries. And so my dad, as a physician, was very, you know, very, he hated what he had seen and what had been done. And not that he was, you know was necessarily blaming any particular government or side or, you know, it wasn't a political thing. It was just about the horror of war. And his so he took the family into the Quaker faith and a tenet of the Quaker ethos is conscientious objector status and a peaceful sort of view of the world and approach to other people. So that was, you know, formative experiences from my childhood. And then as a, also at the same time growing up,

I had a great grandfather, my great grandfather, who I tell a little bit about his story in the book, and the book's dedicated to him and the woman who saved saved him he was a veteran of the Spanish-American War so he fought at the Battle of San Juan Hill and came home and when we can go down that rabbit hole if you want but he was one of my heroes when I was a kid and so I would I would interview him and talk with him about his his experiences in Cuba his is the salient piece or one of the salient pieces of his experience was what happened when he came home. So the, can I tell the story?

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So Cuban, the Spanish American war in Cuba lasted about three months. So it was a very short, low-intensity war by modern-day standards. You know, not a lot of American casualties. But they brought back tens of thousands of troops who were all sick. So they all had mosquito-borne illnesses, dysentery, malaria, you know, whatever. And they put up a few tents up at the top of Long Island, at the very tip, Montauk

Point. And they put up some tents, and they started bringing these sick soldiers home and mustered them out right there and had them in that camp until they got better. And it was just a big, muddy field, rows of tents, not a hygienic place. And it became a national scandal, a national disgrace. And even the president went up and surveyed it. There was a woman, Mrs. Bean, Mrs. Jack Bean, who took her. She lived in New York City. She was wealthy. And again, this is 1898.

So she's got a butler and a carriage. And she went up there and she took my great grandfather and four or five or six other men and brought them to her home and nursed them back to health in her house with her family there. And it was a, you know, for me, that was a really powerful narrative story. I'm not even quite sure what's the right word to use here. But he, and then she, I think he was there for about six weeks. I mean, this was not, you know, three days and then you're gone. This was, he was very, very sick. He believes she saved his life and she gave him money to get home to Michigan, where he was from. And for the rest of his life. He talked about her and that effort,

that civilian effort to save his life. So when I was a young man, I wanted to, after college, I wanted to help veterans. I was never served, not a warrior, never put on a uniform, but I wanted to help those who did. So I got a PhD in clinical psychology, and then I went my first last year of training, and my very first job was the Charleston VA, Charleston, South Carolina VA. So I spent 15 years working with veterans there, and that was what I wanted to do. I wanted to be part of the solution. And part of my perspective today is we do have a VA, and the VA does some things very well, and it's obviously very important and meaningful to many veterans. But we have a very disconnected and indifferent society.

So our soldiers, our warriors, our veterans aren't really connected very well, or maybe I'll say it the other way around. Our civilian society is not very well connected to the men who protect and serve everybody. And I'm going to lump and include, not lump, I'm going to include in the men and women who I try to serve and honor, not just soldiers and veterans, private defense contractors who have done quite a bit of work with, but also first responders, so law enforcement, EMT, firefighters, and so on. So that's what got you inspired to do the work that you're doing? Yep. Yep. So when you, when you started on your journey, did you know that that you were going to do what you're doing now? No. How to start. So I did 15 years at the VA, the VA system.

And this is after you went to school. After my PhD. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I, here I am fresh PhD clinical psychology, and I'm at the VA in Charleston, South Carolina in 1991. And I left in 2006. And I love the patients I worked with. I really appreciated, enjoyed, and most of the colleagues I had in the mental health service and throughout, you know, all throughout all of the hospital. But there were also some massive problems, systemic problems that I would say were more than anything policy, not about the individual's people there, but policy that was being set by our government and the leadership of the VA. And by the end of those, by 2005, I was demoralized because what I was seeing was we,

as the mental health service and much of the VA, we were doing at least as much harm as we were doing good in a lot of ways. And some of my research was oriented and geared to pointing some of this out. And it was not well received. It was not welcomed by the VA. So we'd have a whole conversation about the VA and why I believe it has failed, you know, yet another generation of our soldiers and warriors. So you were putting out some criticism about how, from a place of we need to improve. Yeah. And they didn't want to hear it. They didn't want to hear it.

And in fact, I kind of got spanked for, so I was a clinical a clinical psychologist the therapist for for full-time seven for about seven years and then I started getting federal research grants from NIH National Institute of Health to study veterans and other populations with PTSD and anxiety and depression depressive disorders and and but also included in that there there were some studies, we did some studies related to how the system served individuals, served veterans, and some of the incentives to be sick. I mean, essentially the VA has a disability policy. People don't know this, but the VA spends more money on disability payments than they do on providing health care. It's not really even that close. It's a pretty significant difference. And so they're just saying, hey, you're messed up. We're just going to pay you.

That's right. That's right. And you don't even, I mean, and you don't even have to get treatment to be able to receive that money. Many veterans do pursue treatment and do receive treatment, but they're not getting better, at least not as far as the VA can show. I was just reading a paper yesterday that even up to current day, present day, the number of veterans with PTSD disability who get better and then come off PTSD, come off that disability is a fraction of 1%. So 99.99% of veterans don't get better from, from VA PTSD care. That's crazy. What the hell, you know, what are we doing? What are we doing? I mean, this is tragic. Yeah. Why are we, why do we spend $13 billion a year on mental health care that that cannot show any results i mean would you run you you guys are no you're fucking business yeah yeah so you find once one of your business important business units isn't producing

any movement of the needle at all and you're going to keep putting money into it probably not well that probably i would just suspect that probably comes just like every other branch of the government the money's getting funneled into people's pockets yes yes and so here we have big government and and we've gone right now down the rabbit hole the va which is cool um there you know you could and you could look at many different policies, no accountability for employees or little accountability for employees, little accountability for management, little accountability for the veterans. And, and so there's a book called Wounding Warriors, wounding with an ING as in it's

still ongoing. And the subtitle is how policy makes veterans sicker and poorer and it's it's a really good book published in 2020 by a by a former west pointer who lost a leg in fallujah combat and he and a wall street journal reporter analyze the va's policies but they they put it into real human terms i mean it's it's a page turner. It sounds boring and dry, but it's a page turner to read about how veterans' lives are being affected. And in the book, there is a chapter, they interviewed me, and there's a chapter on some of my experiences in 2005 where we had done a study. And this sounds so like almost obvious that I'm almost embarrassed to kind of describe this. Um, but

we, we did a, we just took a, um, a hundred consecutive men coming into our clinic saying they were Vietnam veterans and we evaluated them and, you know, we did it, we did it, the whole thing. And then, uh, about a year later we did the, and I mean, that wasn't part of the study. That was, that was just clinical care, but we, we did a, and I mean, that wasn't part of the study. That was just clinical care. But we did a Freedom of Information Act request. So we wrote directly to the St. Louis military personnel records, and we got their DD-214s, you know, the one-page document that lists everything of their military career. And then we compared that document to what they told us they had done during their career.

Medals, deployments, training, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And there was a massive discrepancy between what people reported and what was actually true. I think we had five or six guys who claimed they were Navy SEALs or Green Berets. They weren't. They were not, yeah. They were not. We also published a series of studies showing, you know, just very gross malingering and over-reporting of symptoms

in order to get the disability. Because they know it's incentivized. It's incentivized, exactly. They're rational actors. You know, you put a great big pot of gold out at the end of the rainbow and people are going to go. Yeah, they're going to figure it out. They're going to figure it out and they're going to figure it out.

They're going to figure it out and they're going to go get it. And why shouldn't they? And many of these people needed help. I'm not saying we shouldn't give help, but why put it in the box of PTSD disability? First of all, PTSD is a very treatable disorder. Civilians get better from it. And I've treated many civilians who got wildly better very quickly. Many of my patients at the VA got better. But then they say, please don't document that because I don't want to lose my disability. I understand that. So what happened at some point in 2005, we submitted this paper. You guys heard of the book Stolen Valor or the concept of Stolen Valor?

Yeah. So the Stolen Valor Act was inspired by and facilitated by a guy named Jug Burkett, who wrote a book titled Stolen Valor in the late 90s. Jug was a Vietnam veteran. And he noticed that just everywhere he looked in the 1980s and 1990s, there were people using the Vietnam veteran status as a way of getting things in society, elected sheriff, you know, advertising for a business, you know, just, you know, you name it, people who are appearing in episodes of 60 Minutes and such. And he would do this Freedom of Information Act request, get the records, and then document

that they were liars. They weren't even veterans, most of them. That's crazy. And he wrote a book about this. That's a lot more common than people think. It's very common, yes. And it is illegal now to do that. And it's illegal to wear medals you didn't earn or to represent medals you didn't

earn. So Jug Burkett and I became friends, and he helped me do the study. I worked directly with Jug on this study in 2000. I guess we did the study in 2004, and we published it in 2005. We had initially submitted the paper to the American Journal of Psychiatry, one of the top two psychiatric journals in America. And it got rejected right away with a very short review. Usually you get extensive reviews that, you know, in the peer review process is the quality control. But what they said was they didn't have any criticisms of the study. They just said this can't be true. Because if it is, this upends everything the VA is doing. So therefore, it can't be true. We're not going to publish it.

A few days later, I get a phone call from one of my mentors, one of the senior people in the field of PTSD who was one of the directors of one of the— there's a network of PTSD centers nationally, and he was the director of one of them for the VA. And he called me and he said, you can't publish this paper. It's too explosive. If you publish it, it risks, you know, Congress might cut our funding.

It will harm veterans if you do this. And so he, and, you know, we have a discussion, but he eventually said, if you do this, it's going to, you it'll your career as a scientist will be over you know severely damaged and i basically thanked him and and said but i'm gonna publish it anyway and we did we submitted to the british journal of psychiatry and it got published like they took it and they were like wow we want this not only did they publish it, but they had one of the top British military historian psychiatrists, kind of a mixture of both history and psychiatry, wrote a really eloquent commentary, companion piece to it. That guy now, by the way, has been knighted since knighted. So it's Sir Simon Wesley wrote that. And a few months after it was published, I get a phone call one night about nine o'clock saying, hey, guess what? You're being investigated by the VA.

I know it's nine o'clock at night, but we just sent you the questions you need to respond to. And we'll see us tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. in the director of the VA's office. And so I show up there and there was a we had a conference call with people at central office in D.m. in the director of the VA's office. And so I show up there and there was a, we had a conference call with people at central office in DC and they, it was, it was a witch hunt. They were looking, you know, did I have IRB approval? Did I have R and D approval? Did I have this document signed? You know, it was basically, they're trying to find a hole anywhere, any technicality, show me the man,

I'll find the crime. Exactly. Right. It's just like we're seeing left and right today. But this was 2005. So not that I was surprised by it, I'm going to say, because I had started to see more and more of this kind of stuff coming my way. But guess what? Every I had been dotted, every T had been crossed, and they had nothing. And they said, okay, we're done.

And that was it. That got dropped. But then I'm getting phone calls and requests for interviews, BBC, The Economist, Wall Street Journal, LA Times, New York Times, Washington Post, and they're all calling me for interviews because people want to talk about this. And so what the VA did right early on was I basically had a full-time, not a full-time, but there was a PR person who became my handler. Every request had to go through her. And not only that, but she had to be present at

the interviews. And she had the ability to interrupt. She had the ability to interrupt she had the right to interrupt the interview so a question if if a question got asked she had the right to immediately interrupt and say nope he can't answer that question and if i did answer a question she had the right to say strike that he's not supposed to he's not allowed to answer those questions so uh it was it was it was that was eye opening. That's crazy. Like communism. Exactly. It was censorship.

Now I do understand that organizations, when you work for an organization, you can't just go out and say whatever you want and, you know, especially if it's false or something like that. But, but I, I was speaking truth and I had data, I had empirical data that supported everything I was saying. And after that, I was just fucking done with the VA. So I left a few months later and I was like, well, I wanted to help veterans. Oh, well. But the VA is not really wanting my thoughts, my ideas. So I left the VA at that point. I moved to the University of Hawaii thinking I was done working with veterans.

And I was for about for about eight years until kind of this next chapter of my life developed. And what happened in the next chapter? So I was I had a I had a really kind of a weird job situation. I had a full-time job in Hawaii, but I got recruited away to Baylor College of Medicine in Houston to be director of research programs at the Menninger Clinic, which is a very famous old psychiatric hospital. It used to be in Topeka, Kansas, and had now, just a couple years prior, had moved and affiliated with Baylor College of Medicine. So I was a tenured professor at BCM, and I was directing the research at this hospital.

And so I moved to Houston, worked there for six months. Some shit happened. The economy changed. The research budget, as a result, changed. No harm, no foul. I wasn't, you know, really good terms with everybody, but I decided to go back to my former job at the University of Hawaii. And when I did that, the, you know, my immediate, the chief of staff at the hospital said, well, and the chair of the department said, we'd like for you to continue your work here if you're willing to do this for a few months, four or five months till we find your replacement. So I said, okay. And we agreed I would come back for one week every month

commute to keep the work going. And then of course, you know, working, doing some stuff remotely. And it was nice because it fit with my research interests you know that that matter for my my academic career and my work at university of hawaii but they never found my replacement so i did that job for a decade um and houston became essentially my second home they never you know i just it worked out so well we just kept it going um so i every month for 10 years about 10 years I was commuting so I had and then from Hawaii to Texas yeah from Hawaii and used to cheese that's crazy dude man did I wish I had a private jet back there

yeah Delta Southwest yeah Delta Delta took good care of me yeah and so so I was making friends and I am a so-called PTSD expert, and that was a little bit of the nature of what we were doing. And we were doing brain scans. One of our philanthropy philanthropists, the McNair Foundation that owned the Houston Texans NFL team, funded a lot of our work, most of our work, much of our work. And so one of the things that they had bought for us was essentially an all-you-can-scan coupon. So we had a deal at the Baylor College of Medicine Neuroimaging Center. We were sending every single patient that came into the hospital over there to be scanned as part of clinical, but also mostly research. I mean, this was all done under an IRB auspices. And so I started meeting people

just in the community, not affiliated with the hospital or the medical school. And a lot of them, you know, they were making friends with people and some of them were, one of them was a former SEAL, recently separated. And then there was another guy who was Army SF and then one of the tier units on the Army side. And so I kind of developed a small group of just, you know, friends. But part of their, part of our early conversations were, hey, you know stuff about veterans. You know stuff about mental health. So let's have some conversations. And that began, that just began the conversation. So it was literally just informal conversations

over beer, coffee, or pizza. And essentially the conversations pretty much all went the same way. Doc, Chris, what's wrong with me? I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is different. Something's off. I look in the mirror and I don't look the same. Even my face physically doesn't look the same. I don't have any energy. I don't have much motivation. It's not, I don't think I'm depressed, but I'm not sleeping. I'm irritable.

My girlfriend doesn't want me around very much, drinking too much. What's wrong? Okay, I got this. I'm a PTSD expert. I know how to help you. So I thought, and it turns out I didn't know what I was doing. And they didn't have PTSD, not in the prototypical sense of PTSD. There was not the fear. There was not the fear reactivity. There was not the, you know, helicopter flyover overhead or fireworks. No problem. That didn't spark, you know, that didn't get the pulse up at all. So, and there was no avoidance. That's the other,

that's one of the other key features of PTSD is avoiding those things, avoiding the things that will be reminders of military experiences and war and training experiences. So now what the hell is going on? Just through trial and error, we started trying things. Let's get some testing done. Let's draw some blood. Let's get your brain scanned. So I got brain scans on a small like five five of my friends through this through this uh you know through this deal we had um and started getting sleep studies and it turned out whoa all these things i was not expecting to see so all of my friends now in this circle are from special operations they're not all seals they're not all army they're from from different groups but they all have the same pattern. Low testosterone, clear brain injury. The ventricles

in their brain on an MRI, fMRI were atrophied to the point that they looked like 80-year-old men. They're 35, 38. Low testosterone in a brain so their libido and their testosterone and their brains are all all look like 80 year old men these guys are studs and so what the hell is going on here on the sleep studies it's they it's they start showing up as with sleep apnea obstructive sleep apnea which again I think of that as a condition that middle-aged overweight men have. So what the fuck?

This is not PTSD. This isn't even mental health. This is physiological problems in multiple systems in the body. And, you know, as we figured these things out, and for those of you who maybe for the listeners and those of you who aren't familiar, if a man who has low testosterone, the effect of that is going to look insomnia. He's going to lose muscle mass. He's not going to feel motivated. He's going to be apathetic. He's going to be down. He's just not going to know, you know, what's going on. You treat that testosterone and all that stuff pretty much goes away. And there's many ways to treat low testosterone.

So I'm not saying everybody needs testosterone replacement therapy. But you address that. You address the sleep apnea, you start doing some of the things that are good for the brain, and wow, game changer. So 2014, 2015, pretty soon I have not just my friends, but I have their friends, and then their friends. So it was literally just a word of mouth snowball. If we...so we go fast forward today, I've probably consulted with about 500 operators over the last decade. Some just two or three, four conversations,

but some in dozens of conversations spread over many years. Of that whole group of people, I would say a large portion of them have been private defense contractors who I do get paid for that work. I do that work through a law firm that's trying to help them with Defense Base Act claims. But same pattern, same exact pattern of injuries. So that's what my book. So that's what operator syndrome is. That's what operator syndrome is. So it's TBI. Well, before I even say that, we wrote a paper in 2020, medical paper. We published it, and I think it was the International Journal of Psychiatry and Medicine. And it was me and a good team of people. But it was a very simple

paper. Anybody who wants to read it can find it on the internet and just type in operator syndrome. That paper is out there. You can download it easily for free. Um, and it's just descriptive. So I literally, we literally wrote the paper for guys to read and for their spouses to read so that they could start to at least begin to get a sense of, shit, man, this stuff is not abnormal. This is normal for people who have had 10, 15, 20, 25 years in special operations. So what is operator syndrome? TBI, chronic pain, sleep apnea, insomnia, low testosterone, as well as other hormonal dysregulation.

Estrogen levels often spike way up. In fact, there's a VA surgeon who reached out to me and said that, after the paper was published, reached out and said that was an amazing paper because it helped her understand why she's doing so many breast reduction surgeries in men coming out of ranger battalions or you know air force pj gynecomastia gynecomastia yeah and and and i mean think about that how how humiliating that that must be yeah to be a you know to be a badass motherfucker and then you're gross and then you're yeah man boobs um and then of course so operator syndrome all those things which are very physiological cellular molecular injuries at that level and then of course you do have depression and anxiety and anger a lot of anger addiction some have ptsd most of some of the other symptoms of ptsd then what does that do? That just kind of goes out in a ripple effect. It affects your family, your marriage, your sexual functioning, your

emotional intimacy, connection with other people, and the transition out of the military. And then you've got all the existential issues, the survivor's guilt, the horror of killing, the thrill and enjoyment of killing, which a lot of guys have and feel pretty guilty about having because you can't talk about that typically with most people. Yeah. Can I ask you this? Because I love this. I love this shit. I love it. Did you see a difference, you looking at like the the afghan withdrawal

right was there a difference in function or how these people you know how these veterans you know after witnessing that did it was there a change in in mental statuses like with the guys that you were seeing coming in what guys you see now? So that was what, 2021, right? Right. DJ, thank you for asking that question. I don't get asked that question often enough. And so I'm really happy to speak to that. So I'll say a few words about what,

kind of what I saw about that. In the two months prior to our withdrawal, I did, I think, four evaluations via Zoom, via distance communication with Afghani interpreters who were in Kabul. So it was like this slow motion disaster that I could see coming because I was talking to these guys who are in Kabul and they're saying to me, help us. Get us out of here. We are about to be overrun in a few weeks by the Taliban, and they're going to come and slaughter us and our families.

Two of those guys, two of those interpreters took me around. And remember, this is a Zoom video, and they introduced me to all their family, their wives, their children, just trying to show how desperate they are. I don't know what happened to them. It kind of rekindled some of my childhood experiences. One of my favorite babysitters when I was about 11 was a Vietnamese man studying in the U.S. And in 19—I don't remember what year it was, but he went home as the country was falling to the North Vietnamese. He went home to be with his wife and his children.

He was working on a dissertation at Mizzou, University of Missouri, right down the road. And he went home, man, probably mid-30s, went home and was picked up and murdered, executed by the North Vietnamese government. I don't know what happened to my guys that I was evaluating, but you could see it coming. They knew what was happening. They knew what was coming. They were terrified. They were absolutely terrified. And they knew what apparently our State Department and leadership in the U.S. claimed they didn't know. We were saying, oh, everything will be fine. The Afghan government will hold. The Taliban, they're not going to get in here. Yeah, it, get in here. Yeah. It took like a day. Uh, yeah. Uh, no, not even a day. Yeah. They were there before we got out. So then I was talking, you know, months later I did, I was, I, I did,

I have evaluated and talked with extensively two different guys who were contractors who were there at the airfield during that, literally during that time. So they described the firefights that were going on around the perimeter of the airfield the day before, very intense firefights with Taliban and other insurgents. One of them was near Abbey Gate when it blew up and killed those 13 Marines plus dozens, maybe hundreds of Afghanis that were packed around that. And then they were, a little bit later, they were sitting or they were guarding, you know, one end of the airfield when the Taliban approached. So they were in an active gunfight. They were troops in contact moment when the bodies start falling out of the sky. Remember those Afghans that were grabbing the wheels of those planes?

Yeah, it was freaking crazy. Those bodies were landing on their position. Like you're shooting at, you're engaged with the enemy and boom, thud, splat. The State Department guys didn't get to sit at the ramp ceremony. They didn't get to participate in the ramp ceremony for those Marines. They were prevented pretty forcibly from being at that ramp ceremony. So how did this affect people? Well, one thing is, I mean, the story, I think just kind of telling the story a little bit here gives you some sense of what was happening on the ground. The, um, I know a lot of guys for months afterwards that were sleeping two, three hours a night or less because they were on the phones. They were a very organized effort from service members who were in the U.S.

and other places around the world trying to get their buddies, their friends, the interpreters, the Afghani interpreters who they had known and trusted and worked with and closely and viewed as brothers. They were trying to get them and their families out. And many have gotten out, but many you know many many didn't and we still don't know how many i i still don't know how many americans are are or were never got out of afghanistan well they're certainly not going to tell us no no no no they're not they uh you know they've treated those uh families of those 13 victims like total shit yep yep yep they have it's demoralization

so it's demoralization yeah that's right i mean did that affect hormones did that affect uh mental mental health and pain yeah probably negatively but but that demoralization was just crushing yeah and um now you have we have a we have a generation of soldiers who are going, why did we do this? What were these last 20 years about? And it's not just that their sacrifice was—some of them feel that their sacrifice was wasted, but also asking the question of why did we lose so many of our brothers, both Americans and our allied forces and our local forces. So that demoralization is something that I don't think most Americans see or really have

an awareness of because our society is just so removed from the realities of our military and the men and women that serve. Considering what's going on, I mean, it makes sense you would demoralize the military first or the veterans first. You know, when you create a situation, let's just be real, like January 6th, where they say it's something that it really isn't. And then you do the Afghanistan withdrawal right after right after that that's that's going to be very demoralizing to any of the veterans that serve absolutely yeah yeah for sure so dude you have a just to cap this on operator syndrome and we'll get back we'll get into the show but you have a very interesting uh the way you look at mental health is much different than what most of what we see on

the internet as mental health. And you and I have talked about this before, you know, the therapy industry for the most part. Industry is a good word. Yeah. It's, it's not really geared towards getting people better. It's geared towards propagating customers and keeping them in therapy for as long as possible and at some levels it's predatory you know and I'm not trying to discourage anybody from that that's not what I'm saying but I'm saying that you know there's good and there's bad but your your opinion on this or what you know operator syndrome is about and I agree with you is that it's actually inverse of what most people think. Most people think that mental health,

and correct me if I'm saying this wrong, but most people believe it is mental, but you've discovered that it's actually a physiological thing in a lot of people. That's my perspective. I think we put the mental illness up front and everything else is just kind of background. And I think we need tose the foreground in the background

Something that that you know that I feel terrible about when I really kind of reflect back on my work at the VA was we Never checked hormones. We never tested hormones ever That doesn't mean that they weren't getting their hormones checked if something was picked up. But that seems like it should be a pretty obvious process. It should be a requirement, I would say. It should be step one. That should be one of the very first things that we do and we don't. And that's on the mental health field. Because like I said, I've worked now in three different psychiatry departments psychiatry

departments are pretty large you know you might we've had probably 120 150 faculty and they're multidisciplinary so psychiatrists psychologists social workers nurses geneticists neuroimagers neuropsychologists, you know, and more. Not once did I ever have an endocrinologist in any department I was a part of. Not once. That's not to say that there isn't research on hormones and psychiatric functioning, but that's just not at all. Do you think the opinion of that kind of, like, I feel like society has changed their viewpoint on things like hormone replacement therapy or just monitoring hormones over the last 20 years. You know, I can remember, you know, when I was younger, how villainized testosterone was. Right. And I am of the opinion that it's villainized intentionally to keep men in a. In a. Weak state, quite honestly, I think it's done for control.

Well, I'm sorry to interrupt, but let me just say the American Psychological Association put out guidelines about five or six years ago, guidelines for how therapists should treat men and boys. And those guidelines are an abomination. Those guidelines encourage therapists essentially to feminize men. Yeah. Well, that makes it goes along with what I'm saying. Toxic masculinity is now considered to be part of the mental health problem. OK. So we got to we got to somehow shake that out of them. Yeah. While they're growing man boobs. i'm saying toxic masculinity is now considered to be part of the mental health problem okay so we gotta we gotta somehow shake that out of them yeah while they're growing man boobs while they're

while they're growing man man boobs yeah and that's boys and men that's not just it's not just men so a big problem with this mental health dude is that men aren't allowed to be men that's a real that's real you know we've let we've dealt with culture so long the last 20 years that has gone along with that where it's been villainized and now you have women getting punched in the face on the streets in New York every single day saying where's the men well fuck bro you didn't want any man you say you didn't need men socially castrated yeah that's socially and now chemically yeah right right I want to ask you this because i think this is a cool cool uh cool thing i said i love the the psycho uh psychological

psychological that's where dj went to school for um psychology psychology and uh you know and so there's a saying psychology you know genetics loads the gun environment pulls the trigger right was there have you noticed any like like, you know, are there, are there any like genetic predispositions that you, that you guys have noticed, um, with operator syndrome of like, okay, these are some common denominators. Have, has that been a focus point at all? I have not studied this. I don't think anybody specifically has studied it related to special operations. Not that I know of, But we certainly do know that genetics plays a large role in anxiety and depression and bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and addictions.

So there's no question that there is a significant role for genetics. And we're starting to kind of identify some of, even some of the genetic variants that, specific genetic variants that are, you know, that are implicated. You're going to probably be more susceptible to getting PTSD. Yeah. Right. And we've long known that if you have a parent with depression, you're more likely to have depression. Also you learn that behavior too, right? That's the environment. That's the nature. So the nature is the genetics and the nurture is, is what you've learned and what society has taught you and everything else that's been around you. What's your opinion on victim culture?

Oh. Well, I mean, that's part of the heart of the matter right now, isn't it? We are not telling people to be resilient. We're telling people, oh, you poor person. Oh, you need help. We're going to give poor person. Oh, you need help? We're going to give you everything. Oh, you're downtrodden.

You're struggling. We can't say to somebody, work harder. That's not allowed anymore in our culture in so many ways. If you are, if you're- Or push through or get a little tougher, man. Like this is how it is. Yeah. Cowboy up. Right. if you're or push through or get a little tougher man like this is how it is yeah cowboy up right

and i'm for you know we look before we get into that yeah there's situations where people are truly up absolutely that's not what we're saying absolutely yeah but you know it's become a well that's the thing it's become a badge of honor dude yeah there's real trauma like going to war and and having to do you know things that that are necessary and then you know there's losing your stuffed animal when you were three and you're still crying about it yeah yeah you know like there's a difference yeah yeah there's a difference there is i mean what do we what message are we sending our veterans when we when we say to a veteran congratulations you have ptsd you're for life and you're going to

get disability yeah percent disability go home be a psychiatric invalid forever and deal with this and be miserable exactly yeah because they're not getting better sitting on the couch and i mean what's the work what's the most important thing for for a person to feel alive and and healthy and vigorous it is having a sense of meaning and purpose. Yep. Just to call somebody an invalid and tell them they're done being productive members of society forever, we've just stripped them of, I mean, we stripped them of their manhood

in a sense, if they're a man. We've taken away their mission and purpose and their structure, their daily structure. So yeah, yeah. It's, that's tragic. Yeah. Huh. Wonder why we have so many veterans suicides. No shit. Or, you know, the biggest mental health crisis of all time. Well, we're enabling it because it's a massive fucking business. It's a almost $400 billion industry, right? Like where do those customers come from? Right. right you know do you actually think it's healthy to be on your cell phone nine hours a day you're a human being bro

you're supposed to go out and do shit build shit create shit have a sense of purpose be thankful for where you are exercise some personal development some discipline these things these things create yeah be take charge of your life yeah dude and we got all these people who are told by these therapists oh you're broken oh man that sucks well here read these fucking passages and affirmations and maybe you'll feel better like dude yeah yeah yeah it's a terrible system yeah uh real quick i wanted to bring this up up because right before we get into our headlines, you're a metal guy. Oh, yeah. Have you metal?

Have you seen his list? Yeah. No. Okay. So I have a list here. I didn't know that either. That's awesome. You didn't know that?

No. Oh, yeah. Listen, I didn't know you guys were stalking me. That's okay. So this is Dr. Chris Freeze, top 50. I have his top 10 here Of the greatest metal bands Okay I just want to see

If there's Alright let's hear it Any agreement in the room So you got Black Sabbath At number one No question I mean that's easy That's a no brainer

That's just like I don't even think I've heard of some of these Iron Maiden You don't know Iron Maiden bro? I'm not a big metal guy I like Danzig I fuck with Danzig

Danzig yes That's an age thing That Danzig, yes. That's an age thing. That's all it is. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, Iron Maiden kind of hit the scene in 1980-ish. Okay. Deep Purple. Early 70s. Slayer. Obviously, I know Metallica. Metallica

at top five. Okay. Is that accurate? Dude, this is... Look, there are ages of metal. Chris is a little bit older than me, and I'm older than you. Right. So, like, all these rankings are going to be slightly different. Okay. Right.

And actually, this is kind of an old list. Okay. And I've moved these, you know, like every few months, oh, I listen to a Motorhead album. Oh, I got to move them up. So, you know, like every few months, oh, I listen to a Motorhead album. Oh, I got to move them up. So, you know, this was a snapshot. But yeah, that looks about right. I might push Slayer up a little bit.

Okay. Slayer's good. No doubt. I am Slayer. Every time I hear a Slayer album, I go, oh my God, they're even better than I was thinking. What's your favorite Slayer song? Song, I couldn't say that, but Rain and Blood.

Rain and Blood is awesome. I guess the album and the song yeah yeah you got the uh you got some albums here yeah you put where the greatest albums are too these are your top 10 yeah master of puppets that's for sure top 10 album yeah for sure although peace cells is it's for me it's tough they're like neck and neck yeah and they came out in 1986 so the both same year and of course Megadeth was Dave Mustaine's band after he got ejected from Metallica right so that's a cool story if people that don't know metal yeah go kind of read the original Metallica and the Dave Mustaine and Megadeth story yeah yeah he got it he got he got it Mustaine got that don't know metal yeah go kind of read the original metallica and the day mustang and mega death story it's cool yeah he got it he got he got it mustang got rejected or got ejected from

metallica right before they recorded their first album which kill them all yeah kill them all and he wrote co-wrote several of the songs three or four of the songs on that album kill them all is underrated dude i agree yeah yeah that's a horseman man that's a great song that's the first seek and destroy yeah that's the first italic album i listened to it was their first me too first album yeah it was just like sounds like it's recorded in a garage i feel like this is just like the best dog like you walk in his office he's playing fucking bro we talk every week we talk every week for at least an hour that's awesome i think if you i think this sounds funny but i listen to to heavy metal when i'm trying to

to work deeply so when i'm writing when i'm trying to think um that's this is what i go to yeah i mean sometimes jazz sometimes sometimes classical yeah but but if i really want to get in the zone and be productive i'm i'm i'm that means i'm putting you're the same way yeah you know why though i was just gonna say this about chris because at his core he runs hot as calm as he is and that's the same for me when i get into that when i get into that zone that's when i'm the most creative, dude. And I start feeling like a bad motherfucker. I'm like, I can do anything.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. It's a cool feeling. That's sweet, man. Well, let's do it. It's a good list, man. I respect it.

It's solid. Yeah. Like I said, even though I don't know most of them, but I know a few of them on there. Well, DJ, so, I mean, set the list aside. In the metal sphere, what would you, like, is there other bands you would put up there? DJ just started learning metal, bro. Yeah, I just got into it. Like, when he started working with me four years ago.

Yeah, I just got into it. You're like a metal mentor. Yeah, sort of. It started like this. We were working out together, and I started playing this shit, and he's like, what's that? What's that? What's that?

This is awesome. Yeah, so, like, we were listening to a lot of rage against the machine metallica danzig guns and roses stuff that's on my workout playlist five finger death punch yeah five fingers and i like them all right yeah so it's just all stuff like that and you know he was i don't know what were you into before that like r&b stuff and yeah you know just dj plays the piano and sings he's really really good real good that's awesome yeah yeah and just just to say this i love pretty much all you know i like all music i do too yeah r&b is one of my favorites classic rock blues i had a blues radio show when i was in college oh that's cool blues is cool man oh it's great yeah it's great stuff a BB King radio is one of my favorites on Pandora when I'm chilling in like in the bar smoking just

chill vibes yeah yeah it's good stuff is that all BB King or is it no it's just all it's all blues yeah nice yeah I like Frank Sinatra channel too that's a good channel oh yeah I can do a little Dean Martin yeah bro it's good stuff makes. It makes you feel classy. It does. Yeah, it tricks me. I was listening to Chet Baker this morning on the ride in. He's a trumpeter. Cool, smooth, cool jazz. But he also did a little crooning, so he did a little singing as well as playing.

Yeah. I like all music too, man. There's really not much I don't like. Yeah. So what do you play what kind of music when you when you're when you're playing same thing a little bit of everything i'm a self-taught but i could do some classical um new classical more pop hits you know little country i can do a little country yeah hey just simple man yeah leonard skinner i mean yeah

it's good it's good shit i had no idea we were we had the black right show we had the black rifle coffee guys on the show and uh and they were we were hanging out at the house afterwards and uh matt picked up the guitar starts playing and i'm sorry it was jt jt was it was whoever i think one of them picked up the guitar and they started playing and i'm like watching him play. I'm like, this is pretty good. This motherfucker starts singing.

And I'm like, I had no idea. And I'm sitting there like, what's going on? Yeah. I'm a good, good example of inclusion. Yeah.

You know, diversity. Good example of it. Yeah. All right, man. Well guys, let's get into it.

Let's do some cruising. We got, we got some stuff to cover. Guys. Remember, if you want to see any of these pictures, headlines, videos. Well, guys, let's get into it. Let's do some cruising. We got some stuff to cover. Guys, remember, if you want to see any of these pictures, headlines, videos, articles, links, go to andyfrasella.com. You guys can find all of that stuff there. So with that being said, let's get into our first headline. Now, you know, we record CTIs.

They come out Tuesdays and Fridays, right? And so, like, there's going to be some gaps in coverage. But I wanted to kind of readdress this, you know this of this big national event we just had earlier in the week. The ship crashed into the bridge. It's been a big story. Baltimore ship black box data recorder taken by investigators as search for missing continues. So they recovered the black boxes. There's multiple of them um on this uh

this massive cargo ship named dolly um and they're still doing recovery efforts trying to pull through pull through all of this here's the video of the ship crashing this is um this has been circulated as the like the actual video right i know there was some there's some fake ones yeah there are some fake ones um but this is the official. This was from the Stream Time Live Baltimore cameras, supposedly, allegedly, unedited. Here's a clip. What time of day? This was 1.30 in the morning.

1.30 in the morning. Yeah, 1.30 Eastern time. Yep. Yep. There's no audio on this, but you see it going. It's passing out out then it loses power oh and it's just a slow motion disaster

so it's going about 9 miles an hour and I'm not sure how much weight that thing where did this video come from so this is coming from stream time live Baltimore because I saw ok the power comes back on. Power's back on.

Then it loses power again. So they don't know why it lost power yet. Is that... I think they know why. I don't think they're saying why. Okay. Thick smoke. Comes out of the exhaust there.

Ooh, that is thick smoke. Loses power again. This is when they're saying, oh, fuck oh fuck well they did send out a mayday maydays were sent out and they they recovered like you see a truck just went across the bridge yeah so one thing to notice here so during this whole time while they're going um and they were able to confirm this with the black boxes that were recovered now there's some interesting things with the black box but um so the bridge was under construction so you can see lights like right here those pillar lights and those are vehicles those are construction worker vehicles the bridge was

getting worked on so one of the lanes going they were on the bridge were on there and so this entire time that it's losing communication um they already started the notification process, which is why there wasn't as many or more people on the bridge that went under, because they were able to start closing down both lanes. They were stopping traffic from going out on it. Yeah, so these are all construction vehicles here. And so during this process, everybody's just running to opposite sides, trying to get away from each side, but then it makes contact with the bridge.

These are the last little few vehicles that go by. Now they're saying stop, stop, stop. They're holding the traffic. Did the workers see it coming? Mm-hmm. So they were scrambling, but weren't able, some of them. Then it makes contact, bridge goes down. Oh, my God.

Wow. That was instant, too. Yeah. Now. Do we know who filmed this video? Yeah, so that video was coming from off the dock. And one of the periods, it's just like a static camera that's monitoring it.

Now, so that's the clip of that, right? Now, the issue is that there was a report that was done that apparently, allegedly, the black box recorder stopped

recording for, there's about a two minute gap. What? Right. And don't take my word for it. Here's a clip. At 0124 and 59 seconds, numerous audible alarms were recorded on the ship's audio, bridge audio. About the same time, VDR sensor data ceased recording. However, the VDR audio continued to record using the redundant power source.

At around 01.26 and 2 seconds, the VDR resumed recording sensor data. And during this time, there were steering commands and rudder orders recorded on the audio. At around 0-1-26 and 39 seconds, the ship's pilot made a general VHF radio call for tugs in the vicinity to assist. About this time, the pilot association dispatcher phoned the MDTA duty officer regarding the blackout. Around 01.27.

Yeah. So there's about a two-minute gap there from when it lost power. So there's two sensors. You got the audio recording that's happening. There's recording people's voices and the conversations both in the bridge room um and then in the rear of the ship as well but then there's a sensor recorder that records all of the mechanical inputs into the ship the steering the power that went dark for two minutes so it's a two minute gap and then it cuts right back on right when they collide into the would that be because the power went out well so here so here's the thing. The audio recorder was on a power backup.

The sensor should have been on a power backup per the NTSB regulations. So now there's been some talks, but let's talk about the impact. Well, I will say this. I want to say this too. So I got, when these things happen, I usually get some feedback from people that were there yeah and i did get a message from a guy who was a longshoreman who worked on that boat and he had pictures to prove it like he was in the water right after it happened take him up he sent me a couple of pictures where they were up on the boat from another boat, like literally right after it happened.

So I know it was legitimate. And he said, he told me that that ship on the way into port had a power failure. And he said they worked on it in port and immediately after it left port, it had another power failure. So he told me that this was an accident and that it wasn't a legit power failure because I put a

poll up in my story that said, what do you guys think an accident or intentional? Because a lot of people were saying it was intentional and that's how he DM me. So there's that too. Oh yeah. I mean like, but the effects of it is real,

right? Like they're, they're saying that this is probably going to take anywhere from five to 15 years to rebuild that bridge at the cost of over half a billion dollars to the tune of like $600 million to repair. And of course, we're paying for it. Taxpayers are paying for it. Biden has already made that promise. And how much is it going to cost to have that artery interrupted during that time? That's the real damage because this port, it's the ninth, I'm sorry, that's the real that's the real damage because you know this this port

um it's it's the ninth i'm sorry it's the fourth largest port on the east coast ninth largest in the country um it's a massive input for the country um a lot of our vehicles go through there um to the tune let me find the numbers i got in here um it was something like almost every car i've ever ordered from europe goes into baltimore yeah it's like almost like 900 000 or so a year um are all coming through that that port um and uh what they're projecting i mean we saw like this uh ryan peterson he reported on this um he says this will surely cause even more cargo to shift to the West Coast, likely leading to congestion and delays.

As we saw in COVID, even a 10% or 20% increase in volumes can lead to a compound feedback loop of congestion and delays. Most ocean freight contracts are signed between March and May each year. So many companies have the flexibility right now to sign contracts to ship their containers to the West Coast to avoid likely congestion and delays on the East Coast. Now, CNN puts this article out

because there has been a lot of theories about this. Was this intentional? Was this an actual cyber attack, right? Which are things that, you know, I don't feel like you can easily just throw off the table, right? But are things that, you know, I don't feel like you can easily just throw off the table, right? But you obviously want to make sure that you actually have some evidence or some type, something that can back up your theory, right?

But CNN immediately puts this article out, calling out all of the typical people for being conspiracy theories and how dangerous they are um calling them wild wild conspiracy theories about what supposedly had quote really happened uh we're running rampant at uh we're running rampant online now lara logan what do you think fucking happens when you lie to people over and over and over again exactly exactly exactly um you. And it's their same war cry. All the claims, they're all baseless. Entirely baseless.

That makes me think it was an attack. Which further leads to, that doesn't help calm the people. We don't trust you. No. We don't trust shit you guys say. We're at a point where everything the mainstream media says, we've found the opposite to be true over the last four or five years and so when they come out and say this shit it's like oh well shit i guess it was that yeah you know well i was just gonna add i mean the rush to say these claims are entirely

baseless yeah and then the next sentence says officials are investigating the crash how do you know how do you know it know they're baseless if the, I mean, I guess they're saying there's no evidence for these. I mean, that could be one interpretation of that. But there's also no evidence for you to say that it's not. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. You know, and so, like, I mean, I think,

and again, when you look at the history of MSM, even our intelligence, like, we don't trust you. You know, like, there is so little trust right now. They have completely, that expectation of trust, or, like, you know, like there is so little trust right now. They have completely that that expectation of trust or like, you know, like the reasonable expectation that we can trust these these news outlets or trust our even our intelligence agencies to some degree is gone. happens and immediately can jump on and say, oh, there was nothing wrong here. Nobody's really taking your word for that. You know, like we need a little bit more, you know, and like and that's the beauty of, you know, the, you know, the social world that we're in right now is that, you know, people are able to put in different inputs. And one thing that I've seen consistently from ex-members of intelligence agencies, the, the, the consensus was that if, if this wasn't an intentional attack,

that's exactly how it would have been done though. Does that make sense? Right? Like, like if you were to try to do an intentional attack on America's infrastructure, that would have been the, the, the standard play to do right it was it was executed perfectly if that was is how there is kind of the consensus there but but here's the interesting so why everything why everybody was you know kind of looking over there there's always something else happening in the background right um and so i was able to find the story and i thought this was very very interesting um literally you know that same morning rush time of news headlines and things rolling in while everybody's focusing on the bridge, the United Nations comes out and they declared that there is actual actually a genocide going in which the United States basically sat out from voting

on, which passed the ceasefire, 14 to 0, with the U.S. abstaining from the vote. And so that's a big deal going on right now. A lot of people are not really talking about it, but the United Nations did unanimously. They recognized it as an official genocide. As an official genocide. I saw the clip. You know? And so it's like, nobody's really talking about that, right?

And fortunately, it's the only genocide in the world right now. Right. For now. Sudan and Darfur and Uyghurs. No one wants to talk about any of that. None of that. None of that. Those don't count.

It's just. Well, or that we have more slaves in slavery now than have ever existed in the history of the world. Ever. And people want to talk about what happened 400 fucking years ago. None of us did. We weren't even here for it. But it's happening right now. Yeah, I'm a fucking colonizer that caused slavery because I'm white.

Motherfucker, our family didn't even come here until like 1920. Right. Whatever. Yeah. But yeah, mean that's an interesting thing netanyahu's pissed about that he actually uh the israel delegation they had a trip that was planned here they're supposed to be going to dc i believe in like a month or so they completely pulled out of that um and now there may be some communication issues between our diplomats and the diplomats of Israel. And I saw a thing shortly after Israel pulled out. There was a news story about Israel pulled out and the U.S. diplomats are confused and they don't understand what's going on. Right.

Like, hello. Yeah. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a tough ball to play because, I mean, one minute you want to be on the side and one minute, you know, diplomatically they're on the side. But then the next minute they're abstaining from votes they could have easily voted an abstained vote is a yes vote the tensions are definitely rising between the u.s and israel because biden and harris have both come out because dude the left has you know completely turned on them yeah they've both come out and said hey hey, we've warned them. We've told them. Biden got caught on a hot mic saying, I told Bibi he better stop this shit. Like, you see that?

And so like now and Netanyahu is like, yeah, you know what? Fuck you. So now we have a situation where Israel is telling the U.S. to fuck off and the United Nations has figured has decided it's a genocide. It's going to get interesting. Be real interesting because I don't see Israel backing off at all no no they have no intentions to no I don't think they were but yes I mean the like so the search operation is still going on believe they're still looking for six people there's six six missing citizens right now and could I could I just I'm looking at my phone because this story's been up all day on

CNN the lead story on the mobile CNN says, headline, deadly bridge collapse reveals a truth about immigration. Oh, that's interesting. So now we've changed the story. It's not about the bridge. It's not about the ship. It's about all of the people who remain missing. And I'm reading here.

All of the people who remain missing were immigrants, outsiders who had come to the U.S. from Central America for a better life. Fair enough. But this is a truth. Well, that's because you let in 20 million of them. And you say it's 12. But, yeah. And then also, if that's true, Chris, you know what this really was? This was white supremacy terror attack.

Climate change. This was a domestic terrorist attack attack that's the this was a domestic terrorist attack that's the implication yeah and the wind because of the climate change we did it that's the implication white people fucking white people fucking white people fucking white people ruining everything came came make fucking chicken right doesn't make sense man fucking racist white people tearing down the bridge to get six immigrants dude these people think we're fucking idiots yeah they do well there are a bunch of idiots they probably believe that to be fair yeah nobody listen you guys uh the the term influence operation or do you think americans

understand that term no do you think americans understand the concept of an influence operation? I don't think they understand that or propaganda. Yeah. Or they don't understand that Obama wrote out of a law that propaganda was illegal when he was in office. Right. And we're being propagated at 100% propaganda since fucking COVID started. Full steam. Yeah.

Full steam ahead their their job the the goal here is to make people lose faith in the government so it will destroy their national pride they don't want the american men to have anything to fight for they don't want american men to have anything to stand for and if they can demoralize them enough by lying and you know propaganda and doing things like the withdrawal from afghanistan or letting in 20 million illegals uh you know putting people like daniel penny in prison while all these fucking criminals that are punching people in the face and killing people are getting out the next day this is the demoralization of the american uh man for the intention to avoid some sort of revolution. Yeah, combine that with, you know, you talk about it with the opportunity.

Which I actually think is just fueling that. Yeah, you know, but like low testosterone, that's not just, you know, that's not unique to the- Everybody should be on testosterone. Low testosterone. Right, like- A fucking IM drip. Yeah.

2,000 milligrams a week. Drink it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Don't take my advice, though. I'm not a doctor. I'm milligrams a week. Drink it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Don't take my advice, though. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor.

I'm joking. I'm joking. But that's a real crisis. Maybe half that, though. A lot of the men, it's not just military or veterans. Right. I mean, we have a crisis of men and boys on our hands.

100%. What are young men doing right now? I know we've got more headlines. Cutting off their dicks. Well, some of that yeah but but i think the bigger issue is they're not in the workforce they're not in college colleges are 40 male 60 females undergraduates that'd be good enough reason to go absolutely that's enough for yeah like one and a half one and a half. One and a half.

Bro, you can't even handle one. You shut up over there. But that's the thing. Where are they? I mean, this is obviously a stereotype and a big generalization, but they're in their parents' basement. Yeah. Playing video games. That's right.

Playing video games. Mom, give me another Hot Pocket. And then they're on the internet being like, fuck Andy and DJ. Hey, bro, they don't even wait for the shit to cool down. They eat it when it's hot. You know what I'm saying? I can see it. What was that? Is that how you eat your Hot Pockets, bro?

They don't even wait for that shit to cool down, bro. No, I let mine cool down, bro, when I do eat them. There's a good medium temperature for Hot Pockets. Yeah, no, if you follow directions, it has to rest for two minutes before you- At least two. At least two minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway. All right. Yeah. Let's get on that. You mentioned the influencer campaign. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Influence operation.

Influence operation. What's that? Just so everybody knows. Well, influence operation is when the KGB decides we're going to undermine American society. it's well it could be ccp too right yeah i'm just as an example just for an example kgb says you know what it's 1960 and america's our greatest enemy let's undermine their entire society how do we do that well let's let's go let's put some things into the educational system let's let's fund greenpeacepeace to stir up concerns about the climate change." So they got, I mean, in the 60s we had books about how overpopulation was going to destroy

the world. Now we're on the verge of a population collapse that's coming. So quite the opposite of what was predicted by so many people in the 1960s. But the idea of the influence operation is let's destroy America from the inside by creating havoc. You already said it. It's like, let's convince Americans that their country is evil. Let's convince Americans that one group is better than another group, and they should hate each other and fight each other.

And what better ways to do that than to create, than to undermine the idea of what we were doing during the civil rights era. Right. Work that's already been done. Right. Yeah. We undid it. And hey, and we, so I think it started in the universities.

I think they got into the universities and they essentially influence operation you start changing the minds of some influential people who who go out and they become act activists no longer scientists but activists who are who are spreading what is essentially a virus uh you know when they say a mind virus a mind virus yeah exactly it's ideology Dude, I've watched it happen in my life, dude. Like when I graduated high school, which was 97. Damn. Yeah. I'm 44 years old, bro.

What the fuck? That's the math. That's why I'm fucking silverish and good looking. You still look like a little boy. That's what it is. Yeah. So it is what it is, man. Get the fuck up. put your fucking hat back on

it's an improvement so so dude i watched this right like when i went through school there was no such thing as a participation trophy we we pledged allegiance all the way through high school at the beginning of school every single day um competition was taught it was encouraged achievements were encouraged they were celebrated uh desegregation programs were in the schools all the schools uh so that it taught you know inner city culture black culture and white culture to to go together and everybody was getting along for the most part bullying was okay yeah huh bullying i said bring yeah yeah bro like real talk um there was it was okay to have physical fist fights now you got suspended for like a day and that was it and then you shook hands and it was over there's

now now they've right after i graduated they changed a lot of shit they they stopped deseg okay and what's the product what's the product of stopping desegregation after 20 years you have a black community and a white community that do not know how to relate they don't know all these white kids that you see on the internet posting blm shit they don't they're doing that because they think that's what they should do right if they actually understood they wouldn't it wouldn't be the way that they that that's what makes them feel guilty it's the white guilt all that shit comes from the end of desegregation and then they removed competition and then they started villainizing capitalism and achievement and

the rich man and all this shit and now we have a generation of complete fucking pussies with that don't know how to operate in the real world uh for the most part now there are some really good ones there's the kids whose parents taught them right but they're the minority now and um and those parents are vilified for being too hard and too hard irresponsible because they're not watching their child every moment yeah it's crazy let it let their kid cut their penis off and they're praised as models. That's going to go down in history. No different. This has already happened in history, bro.

This happened. Fucking Jill Biden said it yesterday. She's like, Berlin was the capital of progressivism. No shit. That's what the fuck the problem was. That's what caused all the shit. Fucking people were doing all this crazy shit. They were cutting

off their dicks they were doing fucking there was mother-daughter prostitution kid prostitution and pedophilia was normal no shit that wasn't the height that's not a good thing jill no like we don't want that here and uh she she's this has already happened. And so this era where parents are allowing themselves to bend the knee to this ideology and letting their kids make irreversible, like, dude, those parents, like 20 years from now are going to be like completely, first of all, they're going to be complete failures as parents. But second of all, they're going to be vilified and looked at like, what the fuck were you doing? Your kid cut off his genitalia.

You allowed him to do that. You see what I'm saying? The good news is that now it's been banned in like 30 states. A lot of states. I mean, dude, it's crazy shit. And this has already happened. And it's destroying lives. It's not just the parents.

It's organized. Yeah. It's teachers. It's destroying lives. It's not just the parents. It's organized. Yeah. It's teachers. It's organized medicine. Dude, I think these people that do this shit, like legit, the medical doctors that do these things should go to jail. That's my personal opinion. They should go to jail.

That's bare minimum. They're fucking doing it for money, bro. They're not doing it for the kids. If you listen to these detransitioners, they will tell them, like, bro, they put me on hormones after one fucking Zoom call. My surgery was scheduled for two weeks after that. Yeah. Not like, well, that's a little exaggeration. But yeah, dude, I mean, they're putting them on puberty blockers and hormones and shit off one consultation.

And they're shaming parents yeah don't play along dude some of them are legally removing the kids from the home yeah yeah you lose your child this is crazy shit dude and it's gonna go down in history as a one of the more one of the biggest moral corruptions and tragedies that's ever happened in human history no sacramento california i think just declared itself a sanctuary city for children who want to transition. Didn't they? Haven't they learned not to call themselves sanctuary cities for other reasons?

No. No. Apparently not. They want that. Yeah. They want that. It's insane. It's insane.

Yeah, it's insane. What's Headline 2? Yeah, Headline 2, let's talk about, well, like I said, you brought up the influencer operation. Let's talk about influencers. We also said something about immigration, illegal immigrants. So let's just combine the two. Venezuelan TikToker Lionel Marino grimaces in his mugshot after being nabbed by ICE for crossing into the United States illegally than telling others how to on social media.

We remember this guy. Remember this guy? He's the guy who's holding money and waving money on TikTok and telling people how to take advantage of squatter laws. How to invade the United States legally. How to invade the world.

He was real fucking tough on that first video. Real tough. I mean, look at his fucking face. Real tough. I would give a larger amount of money to punch that guy right in the fucking face. Yeah. Just being honest. Well, you know, and so this is him.

You know, this is the money video you were referencing, Chris. You know, he's talking about how good he's doing. He's received so much heat online. People have been doxing him put out his address good there's been pictures of his house that got put up um so this is him now yeah with snot boogers going down saying that they're coming after me and uh talk that shit quote can you go back to the prior photograph yeah because the child looks different too doesn't he not so much okay yeah no actually the child looks happier let's go let's go see go go to the one where he's got snot because that makes me happy that makes me happy to

look at after his cocky fucking shit the other day that's what you get dude no you this is our country it's not your country you're not going to come here and fuck around with everybody and dude it's only a matter of time before the American citizen does something to people like you who are doing this shit. Yeah. So, like, I'm glad that people are going after him. That's what needs to happen. The law is not doing their job. And people need to start standing up for themselves.

100%. So, I mean, in that video, the one with the snot, one of the lines he said, he says, quote, my people, they have gotten what they wanted. The envy has reached my family. Everything that's happening is because of your evilness. They want to silence me. He also said something about. No, they don't want to silence you, dude. He says, I am in danger of death in the United States.

I need protection. That's correct. I'm being persecuted. My account has been blocked because TikTok shut his account down States. I need protection. That's correct. I'm being persecuted. My account has been blocked because TikTok shut his account down also. Yeah, well. Because they,

and they're, you come here and you talk about taking people's homes, dude. That's what they're going to do. Yeah, it's a talk. A spokesman from TikTok told Daily Mail,

the platform doesn't allow users to promote criminal activities, which is exactly what he was doing. Now, to your point, Andy, about Americans standing up, this is his mugshot, by the way, from 2022. That doesn't even look like him.

No, it's definitely changed. I guess that's just how good America can do for somebody. But to your point, though, Andy, about Americans sticking together, this video that has been circulating that I saw, you shared it to me, actually. It's freaking amazing. Let's check this video out. This is a good video.

What's wrong? So you got two illegal immigrants. It's America. It's America. It's a free country, guys. It's a free country. We can film in America. So this is interesting. So they don't want you filming their stuff in America. It's a free country, guys. It's a free country. We can film in America. So this is interesting. So they don't want you filming their stuff in America. They're here illegally.

. No? No? Mexico or Venezuela? . Huh? . Okay, Venezuela or Mexico? .

No? Okay. So they're selling drugs out here, doing drugs out here. This is the America. This is America the Democrats want. There you go. There you go. Hey, all right right say it again again that's what that's what they think of you america that's what they're watching this these guys over here what did you say they're

they're throwing gang signs up man as if they own the country but you know just like i'm sitting here we're not worried about that okay we're just gonna deal with what we got to whatever happens happens but i'm gonna make sure that you're all right and that we're okay as well. Yeah, that's it. American people got to rise up. Man, we got to get Trump in 2024. It's unquestionably. That's all the Democratic Party stuff, man.

This is what they brought our country to, and we got to stop it. Soon as Trump gets in, there needs to be a mass deportation, and watch them head for the border. Hey, we got a listener. You must listen to the show. We got a listener. Dude, the temperature's changing, man. The temperature's changing. Because we're seeing it all over.

You got these illegal immigrants who should not be here. New York City just passed a bill where they're giving them almost like $1,500 a month. What are they giving to American citizens? If they're promised to only spend it on essential items, like, okay. As long as they promise.

Yeah, they promise. They promise. But Americans are sick of it, man. Look at this picture. This makes me so happy. What a bitch. You're going to get on the internet and talk all this shit, and then you're going to show yourself crying

with snot coming down your face? Fuck off, dude. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I love that video of those guys. For those of you that can't see the video, because we're still most of our listeners on audio, it's two white dudes talking to two Venezuelans.

They're flipping them off. They're saying, fuck you. They make a shape of a gun and then point at the guy. The Venezuelans do. Yeah. And the white guys are like, no, dude,'re we could film you we're not doing anything and then they turn the camera and there's these two black guys sitting in the car older dudes and those are the guys that said hey man we need mass deportation so if you didn't see we're sitting there watching making sure nothing happens yeah that's right and they're protecting them and dude

and this is what we need we need black people and we need white people who are american citizens to understand what's happening here and start standing together that is what and hispanic yeah for sure citizens and asian citizens yeah everybody the main divide the main divide that they try to create is between white black but yes we need all Americans to stand together. This is a message that we've been saying on this show for years. These people are going to try and take your shit. And if we don't stand

together and we don't look out for each other, there's going to be major problems. That's 100%, man. Guys, jump in on this conversation. Down in the comments, let us know what you guys think. With that being said, let's get over to our third and final headline headline number three headline number three reads sam bankman freed sentenced to 25 years in prison for orchestrating ftx fraud this just came out today it's a big topic i don't know if you call this a win but but let's dive into it. SBF was sentenced Thursday to 25 years in prison for his role in defrauding users of the collapsed cryptocurrency exchange FTX.

In a federal courtroom in lower Manhattan, U.S., District Judge Lewis Kaplan called the defense argument misleading, logically flawed, and speculative. He said Bankman Freed had obstructed justice and tampered with witnesses and mounting his defense something caplan said he weighed uh weighed in in his sentencing uh decision bankman free wearing a beige jailhouse jumpsuit uh struck an apologetic tone saying he had made a series of selfish decisions while leading ftx and, quote, threw it all away. Quote, it haunts me every day, he said in a statement. Prosecutors have sought as much as 50 years, while Bankman Freed's legal team argued for no more than six and a half years.

He was convicted on seven criminal counts in November and had been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn since. In a statement following Thursday's sentencing, Damian Williams, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said Bankman Freed had orchestrated one of the largest frauds in financial history. Quote, Today's sentence will prevent the defendant from ever again committing fraud and is an important message to others who might be tempted to engage in financial crimes. That justice will be swift and the consequences will be severe. Bankman Freed plans to appeal both this conviction and sentence. A spokesperson for his parents issued a statement on their behalf. Quote, we are heartbroken and will continue to fight for our son.

I just want to know, this is my only burning question, okay, because we're talking, I believe it was something to the tune of like $8 billion. Yeah. $8 billion. The company at one point was valued at like $30 billion, right? But $8 billion of people's hard-earned money was given to this man. It all went to the Democratic platform, or a large majority of it did. Where's that money at? Is it going to go? What's the actual restitution on the people's part like sure he's going to jail you know i

might get a salad tossed a few times but like where's the money well let's remember that jeslene maxwell went to prison for trafficking minors to nobody right right right well no this is no this is no different this is the same thing that i believe that this dude was placed in a position to do this guy's an idiot he's a patsy yeah for sure yeah this guy's an idiot he's's a useful idiot. They played to his ego. They got him tons of money. He got to be around celebrities. Bro, he was so smug. Hit that troll of a girlfriend he had, too. Oh, fuck, yeah.

Fucking thought she was hot shit. They were on the internet, on podcasts, talking about all this money they made and how rich they were and how they had this alternative lifestyle with like 40 people living in a house and they're all having orgies every night and they were like so smug about it all the hot pockets yeah they didn't earn a fucking single penny and they took everybody's money and then they gave it to the democrat who very likely the intelligence agencies or the democrat on speculating placed this man in this position to do this to do that and i don't think he's saying it because dude they know that he'll get killed immediately

well his butthole is definitely bro i had the craziest conversation last night i i didn't even get to tell you about this so there's this guy with this diddy this puff daddy shit oh man that shit's our listen i'm not gonna say this guy name, but this guy was very close to Diddy, very close. And if I said who he was, you'd probably recognize his name. I spent two hours on the phone with him last night, okay? This dude went from A to Z all the shit these people do. And it was insane. And I even told him, I'm i'm like bro i don't know that

you should come on the show and talk about this because like it it it's a lot of the shit that people speculate about like no shit dude like satanic codes and freemasonry and like all this crazy shit he's like dude he's like look man's like, they fucking kill people all the time. They don't even fucking think twice about it. Dude, it was. My understanding of the Diddy situation is that Diddy was essentially the Epstein for the rap industry. That's pretty much what I got.

But there's these people everywhere. That's the thing. In all different industries. This is how they control all the shit. Right. Dude, we've said this on the show a hundred times and this this guy who i was talking to confirmed all of those things and like dude it was it was crazy dude like i mean and he wasn't it wasn't i mean he was crying and like it was you know you could tell when people were full of this guy wasn't full of

he was scared as and he's like bro i'm afraid they're listening to me right now and i said well if you're talking to me they definitely are yeah so you know uh but dude it was crazy he went through like this isaac cappy shit you know who that is that guy that got killed after he started talking about all the people on epstein's island he apparently committed suicide off the bridge oh yeah just dude it was it was crazy shit and like he wants to come on the show i think but like i don't know like how this i don't know yeah and plus dude i want to vet they i don't want them coming on just saying all this shit without proof we gotta have some evidence yeah i mean there's ways to do it we could put a voice changer on them and you know dim the lights on give him a kanye mask yeah give him a kanye mask and deepen his voice

well anyway bro it was so crazy i walked in the house and i had to put the put it on speakerphone so that emily could hear what what was being said because i was like i've never done that in my life ever i'm like i just gotta have someone hear this so that they know they know i'm not just making it up it was fucking insane that's crazy yeah yes i mean that's my biggest question like because they know he stole the money they knew it was stolen money before he they even pressed submit on the fucking transactions do those will the people get their money back no fuck no yeah i think i think where is the money that's my question that That's the question. You asked that, and that's the right question, I think.

In 25 years, I was looking at a chart. I think it was in today's Wall Street Journal that I think 25 years for a financial crime is either number two or number three in terms of the longest length of a sentence. And they have to serve 80 percent i think is that correct that's typical uh bernie madoff was given 150 years that was his sentence did he steal as much as sam make me free that i don't know i don't think so i don't think so i mean this was let's pull it up how much did bernie bernie made uh bernie madoff steal elizabeth theranos was pretty far down the list. I think she got 11 or 12 years.

Yeah, dude. I think this guy's just an idiot. And he got placed in a situation. Oh, yeah. Madoff was way more. 20 billion. Oh, okay. But this is second.

He died, right? Yeah, he died in prison. Yeah, right. Don't steal people's fucking money. This looks like a P like a porn hub thumbnail doesn't it he's gonna have problems in prison he's gonna have this ain't shawshank redemption bro you're going down yeah there's no chance this guy knows how to fight or anything look at him they forced him to take the picture yeah yeah. Yeah. He's going to have problems. Oh, man.

I don't feel bad for him. Well, I don't either. Why is the guy standing next to him, why is there not a black dot over his face? I don't know. Who is he? Because they don't. Like, it's weird. There are four guys with black dots covering their face,

so you don't know who they are, but there's that one guy who doesn't look very friendly. No, he doesn't look friendly at all. Maybe that's his boyfriend. He's taking all the cornbread. Maybe there are a couple. It maybe that's his boyfriend he's taking all the cornbread maybe they're a couple it's possible yeah he's taking all the cornbread for sure i mean it does sam does look like a little woman next to him like whatever you want baby he's gonna have to stock up on that syrup of jelly bro and that kool-aid packs man they wear that shit is lipstick in there. That's real shit.

How do you know? Bro, you ever seen 60 Days In or Scared Straight? That's real shit. They make you take the Kool-Aid packet, you dip your finger in there and you put it on your lips. It makes it like lipstick. It's real shit. You learn something every day.

Well, hey, moving on. I don't know what to say to that. Guys, jump in on this conversation down in the comments. Let us know what you guys think. With that being said, we got to our final segment of the show. We got thumbs up or dumb as fuck. Now, Chris, this is where we bring a headline in. We talk about it, and we'll get one of those two options.

But I figured since we have a guest, we'll let you guys choose which topic you want to do so what i'm going to do is i'm going to just show a picture of two different articles um and then you guys can make the decision of uh of what we're going to go what rabbit hole we want to go down on okay um so the first picture first article here's your choice okay oh man all So the first pitch, first article, here's your choice. Okay. Oh, man. All right. So there's your first article. Ouch.

Okay. And then your second article is this. One or two? One. Yeah, I agree. One? Yeah. Damn.

Two was really good. Was it? Two's good. But all right, let's go to one. Well, what's going on in this two? I lose it. All right. We're going with two, right? No going we're going with two right no we're going with this one oh you want the you want the twins yeah well it looks like a woman has two heads what's going on yeah so you oh so this is where we're

going yeah oh this is great it's perfect oh this is the one you thought was good this is yeah this is they're both good this is what this was the one I was looking for. Oh, okay. You want this one. Yeah. All right. Let's dive into it. Our thumbs up or dumb as fuck headline reads, Abby Hensel is married. Conjoined twin who rose to fame in reality show Abby and Brittany secretly tied the knot with an army veteran in 2021. So these twins, they are conjoined right at the upper thoracic cavity, but they share everything else. Everything else.

They got two heads, but one body. One vagina. Yeah, I get it. One whole body, though. Yeah, right. Okay. There's not like multiple. Right.

Just one vagina. That's what one body means. Okay, I got it. Yep. Two heads, though. But yeah, so they were on a reality show i mean they're probably lucky to still be alive yeah it's possible yeah i mean i mean surgery is not an option you can't really remove that um don't know how you split a vagina yeah all right come Yeah. All right, come on. Let's go. Yeah, so.

Adam Madden. What'd he say? What'd he say? He said you split an Adam, not an Eve. Oh, man. All right, so an American teacher who shot to fame on a reality TV series with her conjoined twin, quietly married three years ago uh 28 years after captivating the world with an appearance on oprah abby hensel now 34 from minnesota tied the knot with josh bowling 33 a nurse and army veteran in 2021 according to public records obtained by today

abby and her sister britney only uh one of only a few sets of dicyphilis twins in history to survive infancy, rose to fame on their eponymous TLC show, which chronicled their major life events, including their high school graduation and job hunting. The pair share a single body, and from the waist down, all of their organs, including the intestine, bladder, and reproductive organs, are shared. In a documentary filmed when the girls were teenagers, their mother said they were keen to have children of their own one day, and reproductive organs are shared. In a documentary filmed when the girls were teenagers, their mother said they were keen to have children of their own one day,

explaining, quote, that is probably something that could work because those organs do work for them. Quote, yeah, we're going to be moms, Brittany agreed. In another interview, Brittany reiterated their desire to have their own family, to have their own, saying, quote, the whole world doesn't need to know who we are seeing and what we are doing and when we are going to do it. But believe me, we are totally different people. Abby added, quote, yeah, we are going to be moms one day, but we don't want to talk about how it's going to work yet. Abby's relationship with Josh, who is a father of one,

has gone under the radar until now with the twins leading a quieter life out of the spotlight in the last 10 years. But here's a video from the wedding day. Call that two for the price of one. I don't think that's a deal. I don't think that's a good deal. I mean, okay, so the reason I say that is not because they're weird or anything, but you've got to listen to two sets of... You've got two mouths now. You know what I'm saying? I mean, okay, so the reason I say that is not because they're weird or anything, but you've got to listen to two sets of- You've got two mouths now. You know what I'm saying?

You've got two complaints, two sets of rules. Two people telling you to take out the trash? Yeah. Doc? So we married the one on the left. So what's the other one? Yeah, voyaging. Does the other one get a husband or a partner as well that would be really awkward and matt oh you know the the original famous

siamese twins who lived in the 1800s were were two men that i think they were a little, I don't remember the details, but I think it was their torsos were connected and they each had their own wives. And they had children and they were financially successful. And they were, I think, Siamese. I think they were from Siam, the country of what was then Siam. I read about all this in the Guinness Book of World Records back when I was a child.

But like they had phenomenal lives. They had children and families and happy marriages and amazing. I mean, look, dude, my take on it is everybody's got a right to be happy. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Yeah. And like, dude, you know, can't help that you're born different. And, you know, even if you're not born that way, when you can be different.

I learned a lot of that when I got stabbed. Like when I got stabbed and my face was disfigured real bad for about a year and a half, my face was swollen up like this big, like the size of a grapefruit off the side of my head and uh it never went down so like i had not just scars but i had like an actual fucking grapefruit stuck to the side of my face for a year and like everybody treats you weird nobody would look you in the face everybody looked away nobody would make eye contact and it and it taught me uh a very important lesson about people who have differences or physical disfigurements or like bro those are people too like and they have hearts and they have brains and they're they deal with this every day so like i mean as is you know like you can make little jokes about it or whatever right yeah it's

probably awkward that they gotta like fuck the same dude and shit right like yeah but like at the same time you know it's it is what it is and they're figuring out a way to make it work and i think that's cool absolutely yeah i agree so yeah i don't you know who are we to judge look happy yeah they do look happy yeah and I think that's cool I think that's happy. Yeah He does he looks like he loves it. Yeah And I'm it's all good man. It's all good with me. Yeah Huh

Did you say they got they them pronouns is that the fuck you said? You're going to hell You're going to hell you're going to hell oh fuck you're going to hell it ain't even me man i know it's my dot my dot and fucking joe i'm trying to be cool hey i think it's cool bro i give it thumbs up yeah thumbs up thumbs up all right thumbs. I think it's all right. Andy, Dr. Free, that's all I got. Chris, thanks so much for coming on the show, man. This was a blast. Yeah, it's awesome.

Thanks for having me, DJ Andy. Dude, you guys, if you guys want to know more about his book, check it out. It's available on Amazon. It's available in bookstores. It's called Operator Syndrome. I think it'd be very helpful for a lot of you guys who are struggling, maybe not just with PTSD, but just trying to figure yourselves out, things that you can do. Try to get to the root cause of the problem. And I think you'll get a lot of benefit out of it.

So give it a try, Operator Syndrome. Dude, thanks for writing this book, too. I think it's awesome what you're doing. It's awesome work what you're doing i think it's innovating how people are fixing themselves and getting better and uh i just appreciate your friendship bro thank you yeah i appreciate yours andy and i would just say you know part of the idea of the book is it's it's a book written it's a practical book it's written for the community but it's not just for operators and their families it's a practical book. It's written for the community, but it's not just for operators and their families. It's also, you know, I think highly relevant to responders, law enforcement,

firefighters, soldiers, or people who have dealt with chronic stress for a long period of time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even CEOs that have built things and done things their whole lives, you know, like shit's hard, man. If you're a warrior, it's the book may be for you that was my that was my intent yeah yeah check it out guys for sure and uh don't be a hoe show the show went from sleeping on the floor now my jewelry box froze fuck a bowl fuck a stove counted millions in the cold bad bitch booted swole got her own bankroll can't fold just a no headshot case closed