REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 8. What Made People Like Kobe Bryant, Jesus Christ, or Adolf Hitler Some of the Most Influential People In History?

Episode Date: February 28, 2020

What does it take to build a real legacy? Jesus Christ, Adolf Hitler, Kobe Bryant… no matter what their goal was, it was very clear that each one was highly skilled in influencing people, culture, and the world.

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I only weigh 180, but my watch cost 250. What's up, guys? This is Andy Purcell, and this is the show for the realists. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness, and delusions of modern society, and welcome to motherfucking reality guys today we have a special show because Vaughn the pastor of disaster decided he made a team decision here I got to explain it to you so we brought in lunch for the whole crew we got this little place in town called Piscetti's it is fucking amazing spaghetti sponsor meetti's sponsored me. You should.

Been going there my whole life. We got Sal here. Sal, tell them about Paschetti's. Paschetti's is one of those places that God invented himself and he happened to pass it on to the Brandon family and the Brandon family's done a phenomenal job of representing God's taste buds.

Yes, it is Jesus' taste buds. It's a proven fact. I read about it and they have also uh have a very significant role in the obesity of the fursella family no there is no question this is a place you go to and you feel so good when you eat it and you feel so guilty afterwards and you don't give a fuck no it's kind of like worth it you know like the analogy i don't know if analogies or whatever the where they say you smoke a cigarette after good sex. This is like the fucking this is what I would do after sex.

I want to eat Piscatis because it's so funny. Yeah. And then like you want to lay there kind of bask in your fatness. There's a story, dude, that Randy Johnson and I don't know if it's a myth or legend or whatever the fuck it is, that Randy Johnson used to, after he pitched, he'd get so fucked up that he would sit there in his hotel room after he pitched, and he would watch TV, and he would put ketchup on his chest so he could dip the fries out of it and eat it. Hey, man, that's a good move.

I know, but that's how I think of the Piscatis in bed. Maybe I'll just set it right here on my chest and let it rock. Dude, so Vaughn goes back and checks out the the little spread we got back there the 877 spread 897 897 i'm sorry sal sal asked me he's like man what'd you order for pasquette he's like i dang know my amex so it's just for you right i said i was hungry dude my amex was i looked at it i was, how the fuck do you even spend that much money? So dude, so Vaughn goes back there and he's like, man, if I eat this, I'm not going to be sharp for the show. So, you know, we don't want Vaughn to have a little gluten hangover and, you know,

Really more the dairy. Yeah, bro. I mean, look. Dairy's what knocks me out. We really appreciate you making that team's decision for the quality of the show. You know, a tampon fixes that. Fixes what? Whatever it is, the problem that you have.

You can rub a tampon on it and you'll be okay. I don't even know what to say about that. But, you know, there's actually a piece of it. Man, you ever open a tampon and look at it? I mean, I'd be lying to you if I said no. Like, I remember opening one of them one time and looking at it. I'm like, what the fuck is this thing? I remember seeing one come out of Harry's butt one time.

I hope you women out there understand how confusing tampons are to men. I look at that thing and I'm like, how the fuck does this work? It's got a tube and it looks like a mouse inside the tube. You don't know how it works? No, I fucking never did one. I never handled one of those. Dave's over here laughing like he's a fucking expert at it. He probably is.

Dude, when I was in high school, I had to go through the line. My mom wanted me to get a big box of tampons for her. I'm like, Mom, I can't do this. She's like, nobody's even going to notice. So, of course, I get this big box. I go through the line. What happens? It doesn't ring up.

So what do they do? They get on the phone and to everybody's like we need a price check of tampons it was and of course your address yeah like all the yeah so it was pretty pretty embarrassing oh man so what's been going on bro dude i gotta be honest with you you ever had moments in your life where you just kind of step outside your life and you like kind of look around and you just, you just feel like something big is going to happen. Like something big. Yeah, man. Dude, I'm having that.

I'm having that lately. I don't know what it is. Usually I have that like. Right before a. Yeah. Right before a bowel movement. No. Oh.

Like, you know, get a little excited there, you know, in the shorts. I know something big is going to happen. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you have a, you have a great penchant for turning anything in that direction. Oh, fuck, dude. I'm the best. Yeah. No, man.

I just, I don't know what it is. I'm not egotistical about it either. I know I'm the best. Yeah, exactly. You and I have had some good conversations lately, but I just feel like, I don't know. I feel like something really momentous is going to happen soon. Oh, yeah, bro. And I'm not sure what it is.

But we got a lot of cool stuff coming down the pike. Dude, you know what? I had a good talk with our team next door yesterday. Yeah? I was walking through the office. And, dude, I could feel like, because we're going through a big transition here at First Form. You know, we're moving into a huge building, state-of-the-art, you know, top-notch. And, dude, we're overcrowded here i mean it's fucking packed uh it's it's uncomfortable for everybody and um we started talking i you

know i sat down with the guys and i said you know i know you because i could sense their frustration you know we started talking i said no you guys are frustrated and things are getting stressful and that. But it's just like we used to talk about on the MSCO project, man. Those times when things are like really fucking hard is right. It literally is in my whole life right before shit gets really fun. Yeah. Like every single time. Yeah.

So like, you know, we've been working hard on a bunch of projects. Yeah. You know, the guys here and the companies have been, I mean, dude, it's, it's kind of weird because the timing's all coming together yeah 2020 is going to be crazy yeah for a lot of the stuff we got going on in the last half of 2019 i mean obviously it was good you would agree that it was good but obviously there was some there was some anxiety there was some like i mean you went through all sorts of really terrible things you know but it was definitely 2019 was a uh was it not was was like one of those lessons warm up yeah yeah 2018 was practice 2019 was warm up 2020 is a real

fucking deal motherfuckers we're getting it do you make that up yourself bro oh man uh but yeah dude i feel you man no yeah it just it feels uh this is a really really overused word but it feels epic like something feels epic about lately i don't know what it is i'm glad you feel that way because i feel like the last six months i've been getting kicked in the fucking balls yeah but isn't that but but i feel that way too into the tunnel there yeah but i also know i don't know so full of shit i swear i feel like i'm getting shot in fucking every direction but i feel like the life is like that that you just you just get put through the grinder and then all of a sudden something happens where it's like wow

i've learned this is all resolved down keep your head down and keep yeah keep moving that's it it really is that it's it's just keep fucking moving like i think that's a big delusion that people have about like their own selves i think a lot of when i talk to a lot of people and we talk about you know hey how you doing blah blah blah fuck man i feel like i'm just getting hit with thing after thing after thing bro welcome to the fucking club right you know it ain't it's like that for everybody like the you know when you look out there and you see people living a life that you want to live those motherfuckers deal with the same kind of shit it's just the way it goes right and that's something i think people forget you know i mean dude you've heard it in ministry for years and years and years why does god hate me

god hates me why does he hate me god doesn you, motherfucker. This is just a big test. What are you willing to overcome? What are you willing to work through? What are you willing to press on through? And the people who live fulfilling lives that matter, and I'm not talking just financially in every way, those people do exactly what Sal just said. Put their fucking heads down, and they push.

They push, and they push. And when they don't want to push, guess what they do? Push harder. They push harder. Yeah. And that's the difference. It really is the separator. And, and, you know, we've talked about this before, but I think the thing that you really,

I think if you're paying attention, the thing that you really come to understand when you start getting up there in years a little bit is you're going to make it. It's going to be fine. Yeah. Like you're, you're going to take the blows and you're going to, you're going to, you're going to experience all sorts of bad stuff, but you're going to be fine. You're going to, you're going to're gonna experience all sorts of bad stuff but you're gonna be fine you're gonna you're gonna press on like we've talked about this as long as you don't fucking stop yeah as long as you don't stop as long as you don't give up like literally just press on yeah or fuck people over that's right

yeah no it's it's true and and uh we've said this a thousand times on a podcast it's it's there are very few things in life you can't bounce back from death being probably the only one yeah you know your own death your own death yeah but uh no but i'm coming back from that shit too motherfuckers i'm gonna tell you that right now i would be like the invisible man in the fucking lady shower um well we uh you and i both have been watching a show on Netflix called Messiah. Yeah. It's not about Andy Frisella. Tyler, you've been watching that too, right? You watched the whole thing?

Yeah, I finished it. Did you watch it? I actually ended up, you told me about it, I ended up watching the whole season. It's a good show. Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. Very rarely do I turn something on Netflix and think, man, this is worth watching. Yeah, but it's very compelling and we'll get into it. Which, by the way, dude, I found a show last night when I was,

because I text Tyler last night. I came home, and you had Netflix on your TV. I saw the logo. Yeah, so I text Tyler last night, like 7 o'clock. I just wanted to fucking have basically a normal night. And I'm like, hey, bro, what's good to watch? And he fucking lists off all this shit. And I couldn't help but think, how the fuck do you know, as hard as you work,

how do you know all those shows are so good? I'm a multitasker. He knew all about them. Anyway, I'm just teasing. I've been alive for 34 years. Listen, I always ask Tyler what the good shows are because he really does know. And I did find one, though.

That Narcos Mexico show. Have you seen it? I have not seen that one find one, though. That Narcos Mexico show. Have you seen it? I have not seen that one. It's pretty good. Narcos is... The original Narcos... No, there's a Narcos Mexico. Oh, I haven't seen that.

It's good. I started watching it. I started watching it. Tyler, I got a question. How many times have you walked by his window when you're going in there and instead of the Netflix banner,

have you seen the Pornhub banner? No, dude, that goes on my phone. It ain't his first rodeo. I'll tell you what. I watched the first couple episodes of Narcos, the original Narcos. I actually have a theory. I actually think that dude, what was his name again? What was his name again?

Oh, what is his name? Pablo. Pablo Escobar. I actually think that Pablo Escobar was more evil than Hitler, but he just didn't have the power to hurt as many people as Hitler did. I think he's worse. What do you mean? It's the opposite.

Well, I mean, in his game, he was- Like, I think if he had the same- Well, don't even consider him the Robin Hood. If he had the same power- Do you think there's degrees to evil? Yeah, I do, actually. You do? Yeah, I think some people-

Everybody's capable of doing some sort of evil, but I think that there are certain people who cultivate it more in their lives. I don't think there is. I think there's evil, and the evil is fucking evil. Well, I mean, I guess- Because, like, here's what I'm saying. Here's why I think there's evil and the evil is fucking evil. Well, I mean, here's what I'm saying. Here's why I think

they can justify it. Well, I mean, I mean, stealing a toy from, you know, that's not evil. That's a lesson.

Well, it's, you could argue that breaking the law, it's wrongdoing. Okay. But evil does not have to do with man's law.

What are you talking about? Evil is like an intent. What's the definition of evil, Tyler? Google it. Evil, to? Evil is like an intent. What's the definition of evil, Tyler? Google it. Evil, to me, is like the intent to do something harmful. You know what I'm saying?

Right. It's not breaking a law. You know what I mean? Right. That's how I look at it. Profoundly immoral and wicked. Okay. Profoundly immoral and wicked.

Yeah. Do you think stealing a toy is profoundly immoral and wicked okay profoundly immoral and wicked yeah so on that no no no i don't think i don't know i guess what i'm saying is i think there's there's different levels of immorality and yes i think there's a difference about doing something that's simply an immoral act and then something doing something that's actually profoundly evil obviously there's a difference between murdering someone and stealing a toy from the mall. Yeah. Does anybody even go to the mall anymore? But, no, but what were we talking about? You were saying you thought fucking El Padrino was more evil than Hitler. Point is, is that I actually think he could have done worse than Hitler had he had the power.

I think he would have put people in concentration camps. I do. I do. I don't think. Yvonne, you're going to get a lot of kickback in concentration camps. I do. I don't think so. Yvonne, you're going to get a lot of kickback from that. I don't think it's that. No, I don't think it's an invalid argument. I think it really comes down to...

He just seemed to really revel in money, not power. Oh, no, he was into power. But greed is definitely a power. No, he was into power. Yeah, but greed and power are fucking... Yeah, they're tied together. They're linear. I mean, i guess it's apples and oranges i mean it is it's a weird distinction to make but what you're talking point being is i was overwhelmed by how

most people are gonna i see your argument i don't i don't i don't know the answer most people will will argue because of the end result of Hitler was way worse than what the end result of Escobar was, that Hitler was more evil. But, you know, is there degrees to evil? There's fucking evil, man. Well, I'll spin it back on you. Do you see a murder as the same, like shooting somebody in the head

versus like a heinous crime where they carve their eyeballs out? I see it the same. Do you? Yeah. See, I would, eyeballs out. I see it the same. Do you? Yeah. See, I would, I mean, I guess it's situation dependent. Well, I know that our, let's just put it on. I think they're different in my personal,

just because I think there's a moral degree of violence that is, I mean, maybe that's the sheltered inner feelings coming out of somebody at that time. It takes a sick motherfucker to carve somebody's eyeballs out. Escobar was like a family person. He gave back to the community. He raped little women. He did? Little girls.

Yeah, that's his thing. See, I don't buy the argument that somebody's... You can't do that and be a good human. Yeah. Well, let's be real. All the charitable stuff... Not even one of them were good dudes yeah yeah i mean yeah let's we could say that i think it's an interesting topic because you know you could say i mean if you ask the world if we put a poll up on instagram who was more evil fucking 100 are gonna say hitler right and

because paulo escobar was is kind of branded a little bit of a hero and a little bit of like this counterculture like they kind of celebrate him a little bit because he made a lot of money yeah that's why and people want to make a lot of money and that gangster lifestyle is glorifying society you know like i'm a cool motherfucker fuck you know i mean listen to every fucking rap song even i listen to them i fucking like them but i mean and they make great movies they do right it's great they're great stories you know yeah there's nobody i mean the great movies about hitler are still fucking sad as fuck you know and dude listen to this imagine if fire festival imagine if hitler had an island and fire festival was hosting it on hitler's island versus Escobar's. Man, you've been smoking some fucked up shit.

But that was a huge drawing point to their Fyre Festival was the fact that it was hosted on... Remember I said weed, not crack, bro. But it was hosted on Pablo Escobar's island. That's probably a lie, too. No, it was. Seriously, what are you trying to explain? No, I'm just saying the difference between how the public perceives it. That's right.

You're right. It's cool because it's Escobar's island. Exactly. Yeah, okay. It's like people that go to mafia tours. They have mafia tours in Kansas City. I don't know if they have them in St. Louis. Bro, I see people all the time.

So there's almost a certain, like what you said, there's almost a certain glamour to it, whereas nobody's talking about Hitler like there's glamour, right? Ideally, because there's no glamour in it. Right. Well, getting back to Messiah, so we won't go into the whole premise right now, but it's obviously this

very charismatic figure shows up on the world scene and he assembles a group of people that begin to follow him and consider him sort of the savior of of humanity but uh it got me got me kind of interested in uh looking up cults which i know is a kind of odd thing to be interested in although when i admit to people that cultic leaders fascinate me i almost always get people going oh no no me too well yeah because there is

an innate fascination with how the fuck you can... Dude, you know what? When people say, like, you know, everybody asks that question. If you could spend a dinner with someone, dead or alive, who would you spend it with? And what do I say? You say Hitler. I always say Hitler. And when I say that, because dude, I said that

in front of 10,000 people on events, and everybody goes... But look, dude, what I'm trying to understand is how the fuck someone could make that many people believe that much evil shit like how the fuck is that possible right so I figure I could learn a lot from that guy and you know the the the difference is the intent like I was talking to Gary Vee on the phone the other day we were talking about the responsibility that comes with your ability to influence and like dude he's got a gary is a fucking tremendous has a tremendous ability to influence people so do i if we weren't morally connected what kind what kind of damage could we do in the

world exactly you know what i'm saying and there's a responsibility that comes with the ability to move people and get people gathered to put them on a right track versus a fucking immoral track and because people that discover they have the ability to move people a certain way I mean you better fucking hope those people are morally correct or dude they do a lot of damage look at all these third world countries out there with these with these leaders who are able to convince people to do shit that is completely fucked up yeah drink the kool-aid or cut people's heads off because they're gay or rape women because they fucking show their skin throw rocks at them like dude like who like who in the world could fucking think that's okay you know it's just a hard it's a hard thing to understand so it is

interesting it's an interesting thing i think is for a lot of people yeah i mean no i i agree i agree so anyway so i i looked up cults and i came across this like 10 craziest cults i got to read these some of these are really interesting. Then I got, and then I got some questions I want to ask you guys. So one of the craziest cults was called the Honohana Sanpagyo cult. And this was, uh, started by a guy who claimed that he was the incarnation of both Jesus and Buddha, and he could solve people's emotional, spiritual, psychological problems by examining their feet. So a number of people apparently started amassing around this guy.

Man, that motherfucker had a foot fetish. He just wanted to look at people's feet. That's like one of the motherfuckers on Instagram asking all the girls for their sweaty socks. Or stick their feet in jelly or some shit. So he apparently was doing pretty well building his cult, but the whole thing unraveled when his followers fought back when he instituted a $900 fee for charging to inspect their feet. So they got pissed. Yeah, they got pissed that he was charging $900 to inspect their feet.

I mean, one, that shows me that that was a really good lure for stupidity. Wow. You know what I mean? Like you could lure some people in, but they weren't stupid enough to pay $900. Yeah. So that's a good measurement. You know good measurement you know so you think he overpriced maybe yeah maybe he would have gone 90 i mean dude if you ask russell brunson 8999 listen russell brunson super successful dude kicking ass with click funnels very successful man in our era if you ask him he'll tell you everything's a marketing problem and that's what that sounds

like to me yeah maybe if he had charged a hundred bucks, he'd still be in fucking business. Right. Exactly. So there's this other group. You have all kinds of feet to make them happy. So there's another group called the Freedomites, who were originally formed in Saskatchewan in 1902, broke off from several different religious groups. but freedomites insisted on three different things. Communal living, nudity, and anarchy. What would you do? So wait, what are they doing? Just running around naked like a cause of trouble?

They became most famous for their all-nude public demonstrations to show opposition to the material tendencies of society. You know what that sounds like to me, dude? What? The naked purge. It sounds like one of these fucking marches we see on fucking Instagram where people got their fucking shit hanging out their titties and their dicks and they're running all over the world saying you know crazy shit like maybe that's

still going on like dude you ever seen these fucking naked bike rides where everybody fucking runs through the city fucking naked it like at least it's not anarchy but i mean like dude nobody wants to see your shit i mean i gotta be honest i don't know i mean and i i wear all those stupid suits when i do triathlons i don't need my butthole on my seat you know what i'm saying like or ball sack yeah like that would be a bad pinch yeah but i mean my seat like i would have to look at my seat differently because you'd be sweating and that's not good yeah you gotta have something in between i don't know i mean imagine the smell of your seat oh i like my seat i got a seat. I paid a lot of money for that seat. How much is a good bike seat?

It's a couple hundred bucks. Really? Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, I bet you the seat I have is like $295. It's fucking about this thin. It's about the size of fucking Dave's dick. Oh, that was just low, bro. So, this, of course, raised in my mind.

Tyler, is it true? The very... I ain't never seen it. Neither has he. Dude, what the fuck? This raised in my mind the very, very important question of what would you guys form a cult? If you had to start a cult, what would you call it? They've been accused of that before.

Oh, yeah. Because we have a... Well, that's the fucking term of... Cult comes from culture. Right, culture. I mean, but see, cult has a negative connotation. Like, you're doing crazy shit. Yeah.

When it has a good connotation, it's called culture. Correct. So we have a culture. We don't have a cult. And people have a hard time, you know, understanding that. But if I was going to start a real cult, I would definitely. He'd be in that naked Sasquatch one. Oh, yeah.

It would have something to do with nudity, I'm sure. And pascettis. Nudity, we ate it. Pascettis, ketchup on my chest. And sesame. Yeah, fucking Chinese food, egg rolls and shit. How you killing everybody, though?

Dave's in. Chicken wings. Poison them. Poison them? Poison them with my french fries. Where would you build your compound? For cellophane.

I don't fucking know, Vaughn. No, come on. Is this the shit you think about on your drive? Yeah, no. It's crazy. Inquiring minds want to know. Sal,

that's Vaughn's secret thing, dude. you know, you know, Vaughn, he didn't want to do the real AF too much. You know, he was like, I don't know, man. And I said, Vaughn, guess what? We can start a cult. And he's like, I'm in, dude. I'll drive five hours every fucking Friday. We're going to do everything at night.

So, Vaughn's a cool- He's a cool-aid mixer. You tell that story. It's going to be mystery. It's going to be cloaked in darkness. Yeah. It's going to be mysterious. Yeah. And to be cloaked in darkness. It's going to be mysterious. And Vaughn said, I'm in.

Yeah. I also said we had to do everything at night. Because there's more of an air of magic and excitement at night. That's a true story. Vaughn, have you ever seen Monsters University? No. There's Monsters, Inc. and Monsters University. I know.

I'm not a big Monsters fan. I can see you being the head of the Monsters, Inc. and Monsters University. I know. I started, I'm not a big Monsters fan. I can see you being the head of the Monsters, Inc. University team. Yeah, is that Larry or what's his name? What's the big eyeballs name? Mike Wazowski. Yeah, okay. You could be, you know, like they do the breaking in in the mom's basement in college, you know, like it's kind of like they're in the dark, you know. Mom comes down, starts doing the laundry. That's Vaughn's that's Vaughn's version.

We're going to get real bad-ass in mom's basement. Vaughn in high school has, you know, listen, dude, you ever seen that? What's that show? Uh, that show on Netflix where the fucking kids in there's like an underworld and they're monsters and shit. Stranger things. There you go. Okay. You were those fucking kids. I know. Of course I was. See, I couldn't and shit stranger things there you go okay you were those fucking kids i know of course i was see i couldn't get into stranger things believe it or not i couldn't either i love the 80s and i love that i just didn't i was at a time in my life where i was like i don't have enough time to sit watch this true or false what's that did you play dungeons and dragons no i actually didn't dude because when I was younger, that was the devil. That was evil. That was a very conservative Christian.

Plus, at the time, a couple kids got killed. Right when I was about the age to do that, a couple kids got so into it that they- They killed each other. They killed each other, or they formed some sort of suicide pact or something. Yeah, like a cultic type thing. I never really got into that. I did get into the superhero version of that, though. So in your Dungeons and Dragons cult that you for sure had, did you guys have a special

robe that you wore or rituals and stuff? What was your rituals? Oh, man. Well, I've told you before. We used to snort pixie sticks. Oh, yeah. So you guys got dressed up in your robes and you did a chant? No, but I just asked somebody about it. Did you guys have robes like like literally no no no did you have

robes like did you wear robes before you went to bed oh no dude we had we had our own cult it was called it was called the gym for seller fucking costco or no it wasn't costco costco's fancy it was the gym for seller walmart uh red sweatshirt, red sweatpants, Adidas shoe. Our robe was like an outfit that we got at Walmart. That makes sense. And our cult was kicking other kids' asses. Yeah, well, I knew that. And it was kill, kill, kill. But if you want some dirt on us, we did wear tighty-whities.

Did you? Yeah, we weren't. My dad would buy the multi-pack. I wore tighty-whities until I was about 22. I'm the same boat. I got to college. And then I started realizing the girls started looking at me funny. Started getting into college and I realized I'm one of the only

motherfuckers in the locker room rocking tighty whities. I'm older than you guys but tighty whities were very standard and then at a certain point I think it was my

sophomore year or junior year in high school and then all through college boxer shorts became very popular. So I just started wearing boxer shorts. But now I'm kind of back to the standard briefs.

Oh man, you got to go to the band though. I'm going to tell you what, dude. I might roll back some tighty-whities, dude. I kind of liked them and now I'm comfortable enough. I don't give a fuck what people think. Dude, we should have real AF tighty-whities. I wear boxer briefs from,

and I got to be honest, I used to make fun of Louie Lemon so hard. Don't we make underwear now? No. I thought we had some underwear back. are actual shorts yes who the fuck is gonna wear those well i don't know we sell quite a few of them we do yeah all right well i thought they were fucking underpants this reminds me of the socks yeah yeah exactly right no yeah i'm a boxer brief guy yeah i've learned to like yeah because i used to wear sliders all the time after

the tidy whitey transition but what's funny is no real, like underarm, dude, that was like my main investment in underarm. Dude, I still have a pair of fucking Under Armour sliders that I wear now that I had in fucking college. That's how good they are. I bet those are awesome. Actually, surprisingly, they're in fucking phenomenal shape. When you put those on, do you reminisce? Dude, I was like, I'm a baseball field. I'm a fucking badass.

I'm going to see all the boys in the shower. So fucking badass, dude. Every time he slid in them, he broke his leg. I smell them. Are you a standard solid color guy? I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I wear multiple colors. I wear whatever's on top.

You wear crazy stuff, like leopard stuff? Dude, listen, no. I don't give a fuck. No, okay. Dude, I'll tell you what I wear. I wear the fucking packs of Fruit of the Loom shit you get at Walmart. They're like six bucks for like 10 pairs. You got to upgrade, dude.

This is my point. This is what I'll own this. Am I missing out? Yeah, Lululemon makes these fucking underwear, and I got to be honest, they're fucking awesome. So I'm missing out on the fine things. They got a heater and a vibrator on them. No, they're like 15 or 18 bucks a piece, but I promise you they're fucking worth the investment. For one?

For one. Really? But I'm telling you, you're taking care of your goods, man. It's a good feeling. It's a nice feeling. I'm telling you. Listen, it's worth the investment. All right.

It's worth the investment. There's an example right there. There's an example of what we were talking about before the show. How you do one thing is how you do everything. It's not true because I live a life of luxury and i'm still wearing basic underwear so there you go there's your example tyler you're right i'm wrong so the uh the premise getting back to the the netflix uh series the premise of this let's let's let me stop you for a second what the fuck is wrong with us about what let's be fucking real and what the fuck is wrong with you guys listening to us

that they've just spent 15 minutes of their life listening to this they have the same conversations yeah they do yeah they do that's a good question but so the premise of this this uh series is basically this mysterious mysterious talking about messiah yeah the messiah so this mysterious figure appears in the middle east and he seems to have these supernatural powers and he starts amassing followers and the central question of the series is basically is this guy really jesus returning to earth as a different person is he a brand new messiah is he a scam artist it's pretty intriguing but i just just generally speaking like open-ended i'm curious what you enjoyed about it dude i thought of i thought the whole show honestly

was put together really well from the top to bottom the directing the acting for sure script yeah but the whole but let's just take away that like i agree with you they left a little bit of mystery too well you and i will look at it from a production value because we work together on production value literally all day with you know with the companies and stuff so i definitely notice movies and shows like that like on their value but dude the storytelling of that show is really good um at every point i found myself like wondering like okay is this dude a fraud or is he real and the truth is bro if what i really thought was cool about it was, I bet that's how people felt about Jesus.

Yep. For real. Yep. No, I agree. Don't spill the beans, because I want to watch tonight. Oh, dude, it's good. It'll just have you questioning a lot whether or not what you believe inside the show, not in real life, but inside the show, what you believe.

No, I totally agree, because I think one of the things I always tell people is, like, because historically, America is a Christian nation. We're just, we've heard, most people have heard about Jesus from the time that they're little. Well, he plays a role in most religions. Right, exactly. Yeah. So we're so used to him that we just think he's like Mr. Rogers. But the reality is when he came onto the scene.

He was a rebel. He was a rebel. He, I think he really disturbed people. Absolutely. I mean, clearly he disturbed a lot of people. I mean, clearly, he disturbed a lot of people. I mean, it's pretty disruptive. So, I'm just curious, what do you think is really- Hi, I'm the son of God.

Right. Wait, what? Yeah, exactly. People are worried about making a fucking sales call. Well, and what's great about the show is that it does show different- It shows how the government responds to this guy. It shows how the real extremist religious people respond. It shows how the everyday person of faith responds.

It shows how the cynic responds. Not only that, but it's modern day. Yeah, yeah. Which is really cool. Here's my question. Do you find the character compelling? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, in what regard? Well, see, the only thing that's hard for me is i don't feel like if i were to meet jesus now i don't think i think he'd be like compelling but i don't think he'd come across creepy i think this guy comes across dude i think if jesus came back he'd come back as like a cool black dude well i mean i think he would okay be like a cool hip like samuel. Jackson Yeah but like a good dude You know what I'm saying Denzel

Yeah like a Denzel I could see it as a Denzel Yeah right that's what I'm saying Smooth So that's how I picture But I couldn't see Denzel and Birkenstocks though That's not what I'm saying Cause like dude he's gonna come back

Looking kinda like what society You know looks like now Like that's the one thing about the show i didn't really get because i didn't think like because the guy looks like jesus right yeah so like my in my mind i i've always kind of thought like dude if this is just weird shit that i think about like if jesus came back what the fuck would he look like yeah and what i think jesus would be is i think he'd be a cool dude who he'd probably say some curse words and he'd probably live a pretty normal life and he'd probably be a

regular dude. There's no question that he would attract everyday people. That's what I'm saying. So when I think of the delivery mechanism of that, I think of like a cool, you know, like a cool hip black dude. I got it. Patrick Mahomes. You know what I'm saying?

Well, I mean, there is something. We can argue that. He's going to be the messiah this Sunday. But dude, speaking of Denzel, isn't it weird that he played? When this posts, hopefully that will be true. At some point in the show, we'll do a prediction on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make a note of that. But look, let me finish what I'm saying. So what I mean by that is like, I mean, there's certain people in society that have the ability to move people and make people feel good and make people feel cool. And, you know, like, I don't know why I think it's a black dude, but I just feel like a cool black dude can like make white people feel cool. Dude, have you ever seen the book of Eli? You know what I'm saying? a black dude, but I just feel like a cool black dude can make white people feel cool. Dude, have you ever seen the book of Eli?

You know what I'm saying? Dude, the book of Eli, he basically brings back the word of God to society in a really rough time. I thought that movie was genius. I don't know, man. I've heard it's a good movie. That movie lost me.

Yeah, I didn't like it either. You didn't like it? I didn't pay attention close enough. Funny thing, so when I was real little, and my younger brother, he would draw these pictures of Jesus, but he would always draw pictures of him like he was Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I was like, Lance, why are you drawing Jesus so buff? And he's like, well, he's perfect, right?

And I go, yeah, but being perfect doesn't mean you're buff. But I always thought it was funny because in my little brother's mind, to be the perfect man, like, you looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger, which I thought was kind of funny. But it's funny. I mean, dude, let me ask you this, though. Like, think about this for real. Because if you, speaking of the show, I mean, we're getting off kind of on a religious tangent. It's fine. It's an entertaining discussion. Well, and it's a popular series as far as I know.

Let's just say God wanted to move people here to hear that message. He would have to send someone who other people would naturally notice, I think. You know what I mean? And I think, I don't know. You mean if he were to come today? Yeah. Like, I don't know what I mean um and I think I don't know you mean if if he were to come today yeah like I don't know man like it's a fucking deep rabbit hole to think about it is it is I mean it's interesting that I mean Jesus himself was born in Nazareth which is like a tiny little

backwater nothing you know and I mean what to me what's amazing is well all right so let me switch gears just for a second. So we were talking about the different characters, right? So you have the cynical CIA agent who thinks he's a scam artist. Then you've got the simple, trusting Mid-America folks who are ready to follow him anywhere. You have kind of the extremes. You have cynicism and you have like almost unquestioning credulity, you know, just like, oh, yes, we're not even going to question this at all. He's, what's your take? Like, what's the best

combination of being cynical or, or critical and, but being trusting, you know, like, what would you say to each of those people? Like, let me ask you this. Who do you identify with more? The really cynical people or the really trusting people? You know, I think that's a great question. I think that people would do themselves a favor, generally speaking. Generally speaking, I feel like most people are quick to believe shit. And I think most people would do themselves a favor in society if they would, instead of just jumping into the herd mentality, that they would take a minute to do their research and decide on their own. I think a lot of people's decisions out there aren't necessarily their own decisions because we're ingrained through our culture to kind of jump in on what's hot right like you know it's no different than bandwagon stuff or mob shit you know why why do mobs happen mobs happen because

there's an emotional uh situation happening and people don't think right and so and and that's most people you know most people are just quick to because dude they have this thing in their ego that says i want to be right i want to know the answer i want to be the guy who knows and it's very hard for people i feel like to because they're not aware enough or haven't reached that phase yet and some people never do or they consider why things are the way they are yeah so my i would say for me i probably am somewhere in the middle where you know yes i notice when things are seem to be but then when i start to catch myself believing it,

I also then do the research to look the other way and say, okay, well, is this actually true? You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And we see this in politics. I mean, we see this with Trump. Let's just say what the fuck it is. We see a lot of motherfuckers that hate Trump

and you ask them why they hate Trump, they can't fucking tell you. Oh, he's a racist. Okay. Give me an example of how he was racist. Oh, he's a misogynist. Oh, well, give me an example of how he is. Oh, well, he said grab him by the pussy.

Well, every motherfucking man on the face of the earth has said some perverted shit at some time in their life. They just have. That's reality. I'm not excusing it. I'm not saying it's okay what i'm saying is you're judging someone on that's like saying dude the guy jerked off one time in his life when every fucking dude in the earth jerked off once well that's what i'm saying so like you know we can't and that's how i see it. So I look for evidence. You know what I mean? Right. And I think people would do themselves a favor, you know, just like I say about Obama, right?

Like, I fucking think Obama would probably be an awesome dude to fucking hang out with. I'd have him on the show. Bro, I'd love to have dinner with him and hang out and fucking, you know, whatever, whatever. It'd be great. I just didn't like his policies of what he thought the economy should be. So I fucking didn't, his policies of what he thought the economy should be. So I fucking didn't, you know? Right. So I just think like people, if they took a minute to stop and say, why do I feel this way?

Why am I a part of this team? What feels good about this? Why do I believe this? And just question themselves, they'd find a lot more truth in their life. Bro, so you know that famous quote by Socrates, the unexamined life is not worth living. Don't you think, whether it's religious people or non-religious people, the problem with most people is, and this is what I hear you saying, is that we don't even know why we believe certain things.

We don't even think through what we do believe. Vaughn, our society, our system has gotten so good at spoon feeding the shit that we should and shouldn't think that people don't question it. Right. But that comes from a violation of trust. So for example, I think it's reasonable that when we watch somebody on a news platform that we expect them to tell the truth and report. Is that a reasonable thought? It's a reasonable thought.

Do you think it's a reasonable thought? I think it's a very reasonable thought. Okay. I agree. What do you think? I think they're reading from a teleprompter. I'm not saying that. But yes. I'm saying a reasonable yes or no. Yes. counter i'm not saying that but yes i'm saying a reasonable yes or no yes okay it's a reasonable

expectation that we when we watch a fucking professional organization deliver some news that that shit should be the fucking facts and what has happened is we have a violation of trust amongst these big media companies where now it's no longer about fact and people haven't caught on that they're violating a covenant between the relationship you tell the truth we'll fucking watch it right right that's not happening anymore now we've evolved into a scenario where we have basically a marketing company putting a message into our fucking face that we believe because it always has been in the for the past 70 years supposed to be the truth but it's not and what's happening here to the media is people are slowly starting to wake the fuck up because there's so much transparency in social media and in life that people are starting to notice like, well,

wait a minute. I'm friends with black people. We get along. There's not as much racial division as what's going on out there. People aren't fucking, you know, wait a minute. It's not as bad as what they say you know like like we're starting to notice like some of the things they tell us are just massive exaggerations or different perceptions on facts right instead of actually delivering the facts which i believe

is a violation of fucking trust and so now we have a scenario where we have a lot of people who are starting to wake up and say, fuck, we're in a big game. We're getting manipulated. We're getting fucking, we're getting herded. We're getting told how to think, how to live, how to eat, how to vote, how to fucking do everything. And where's the truth in it? Right. fucking do everything and what where's the truth in it right and so we're i think personally we're

on the verge of a massive awakening and a readjustment of how we feel as humans yeah i think you're right and i think technology's causing it i think you're right and i i i'm not even saying that i necessarily think this is a good thing or a bad thing but we're now getting to the point where you know if something happens somewhere in the world, you know, you got camera crews that are rushing to go cover it and people have a choice. Well, I'm either going to, I'm either going to watch CNN or Fox news or whatever, or I happen to know somebody who's there right now and they're live streaming on their, on their camera.

Who do I trust more? My buddy or the news agency? And that's, it's just a really weird time to be alive. You know what I'm saying? Yes, totally. But even in that scenario, you have to consider what your buddy's perspective is on what he's reporting. Because there's always two sides to literally every fucking story. And the problem is we've began to trust the message that's delivered to us too much.

Instead of us thinking and saying, okay, well, your buddy's saying something different to the news, but he also happens to be an extremist and this, this, this, this, this. So the truth actually is probably somewhere in the middle. So we've lost the ability to be logical when we get information. And that's, I think, the root of the problem amongst all of these different causes. When we have people, you know, marching for this cause or that cause or this or that or this, it's all because they're not really saying, well, is this the truth? Right. They're not asking questions. They're not being critical in a healthy way. And the reason they're not is because they're emotionally invested in the cause. Right. And that's okay, dude. It's okay to be emotionally invested in a cause. Like, it's okay. But understand that your reasoning for being there is a fucking motion, it's not facts. You know what I'm saying? Like, as long as you're aware of why you're there.

Be aware of your own biases. That's right. And make an effort to be more critical and ask hard questions. Absolutely, bro. No, I agree. So at one point in one of the later episodes, one of the characters sees a quote from Oprah written on a table. And I got to hear what you guys have to say about this,

because I think this is relevant to a lot of people. It says, you become what you believe. Do you believe that? I think that most people become exactly what they believe they're supposed to become. Yes, I do. I think most people eventually become, I think that's one of the secrets of this whole universe is that what you think of yourself and what you believe of yourself actually comes true. And if you listen to some of the experts out there on quantum physics and metaphysics and all these different, you know, like let's say Dr. Joel Dispenza, buddy of mine, buddy of ours, you know, he's at the forefront of these types of of thinkings it's also you know why like i think people who truly believe they're supposed to play hockey in the nhl fucking play it i think people who truly believe they're going to be a fucking successful

entrepreneur and that's how they see themselves become it. I think when people believe that they're a piece of shit and that they think I'm no good, that's exactly what happens. And so I don't think it's a, I don't think it's, I think it's more about fixing your belief about who the fuck you are and then the world adjusting itself to you there's mystical

shit to this but i believe it that's why you asked me what i believe that's what i mean yeah yeah you know what do you think i mean it could play right back tyler's right it's a vague statement so you gotta do your part it depends i mean just because you believe right you you you believe that obama was the very best president. That does not necessarily make it the truth. That's not what I'm saying. I understand that. But just because you believe, there is more to that story is where I have a problem with it.

What was the quote? You become what you believe. You become what you believe. I find that to be true. And I can see where if you were to peel back that statement, it could be true. But left at that point, I think it's a very fucking, it's got a lot of work to be true. And I can see where if you were to peel back that statement, it could be true. But left at that point, I think it's a very fucking, it's got a lot of work to be done. There's more to it. It's like, look.

There's a lot of people believe that they should have my job. That they just believe. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah, but also a lot of people don't understand what it means to actually believe. I think that's accurate. I agree with that too. They think that they believe.

They're ignorant to it no when I'm saying believing like I mean like you know inside your fucking heart what the fuck you're supposed to be you know it like it's not arguable like when I was when I was living with my dad in 2007 after seven years of living away from home and I had to move back in with them so that I could fucking survive in business. There wasn't a thought in my mind that I wasn't going to be a successful entrepreneur. There wasn't a doubt. There wasn't me. I wasn't like, oh, well, am I supposed to be this or that at that point in time? I believed it. Now I went through a point of doubt after that, right? Like,

whoa, well, I'm going to change. I'm going to maybe go clean carpets or go do this. But that belief of what I was meant to be always fought that. Right. And it turned out, you know, so far to be correct. What was the quote again? You become what you believe. If you're willing to work for it. Should be the end of that quote.

Yeah. I think you guys are emphasizing different aspects of it, which I think what you're emphasizing, Andy, is the power of the mind. You've got to get your mind focused on the right things. And you're saying, but you still have to. More than just the mind. He thinks that there's actually powers at work in the universe.

I would agree with that. I would agree. I mean, the law of attraction is real, but I'm saying just because you believe it, there's a whole lot of fucking work that comes with it. Right. No, I, and you're right. And, and there's also the flip side of there's the subjective belief and then there's what's objectively true.

Well, that's why I don't like that book, The Secret. Okay. Everybody talks about the fucking secret. The Secret is the coloring book of, of the law of attraction. It's not real. It's not, it's because it makes it sound like if you just believe that a fucking elephant is going to show up, that an elephant is going to show up. And that's just not the truth. The truth is you have to believe, and then you have to also go that direction. I see it as like a 50% thing. Like when you know what the fuck you're supposed

to be, the, the, the cards sort of align for you to become that but so many people believe that that should just come all the way to you that they don't do their part and meet it at the 50 mark you see what i'm saying so that's how i see it and i my real life reflects that belief for the evidence so i'm not saying i'm right but i'm doing okay in life so the thing that has has really fascinated us another aspect of this this netflix series that's fascinated us is this issue the central issue of charisma because the guy that is the messiah figure he's a very charismatic person and we've always been interested obviously obviously, throughout the whole 300 plus episodes of the MFCO project and in other areas. We've talked about how do we make a really profound impact on somebody in business, in life?

It's so successful to have charisma. Gentlemen, at the time of the recording of this podcast, it's been just a little bit more than a week since Kobe Bryant was tragically killed and his daughter, as well as the other people in those families lost their loved ones. It was a terrible, terrible accident. And obviously, a lot of people have expressed their love for Kobe, their admiration for Kobe, have extolled different aspects of his character. Obviously, Kobe wasn't just a basketball player, not just one of the best basketball players of all time. He was an icon, really. As a way partly to honor him, I would love to talk about a little bit, like, what do you think was the source of his charisma? Like, why did he, I mean, was it just talent? He was just a good ball player?

No. I think he represented a lot of amazing qualities that people wish they had in themselves and I think that's what people were so attracted to him for whether you loved him or you hated him or you rooted for him against him I mean you can't deny the guy's work ethic you can't deny his achievement you can't deny his skill and uh you can't deny what he did for other people so like i feel like he lived a very like even even somewhat misunderstood but noble existence and i think people aspire that right they aspire to be somebody who you know finds their their niche and then goes all in on that niche and wins and then also does good things i think he represents what the the dream of america is all about i'm not talking about being rich i'm just talking about finding where it is you're

supposed to be recognizing that going all in and then achieving in that, in that lane. And, um, he's always done that. And I, you know, he did it so well that he became a legend. You know, there's a lot of guys who've done a lot of cool shit that if they died, people, people would say, man, that sucks. But like, dude dude when i heard of that kobe's death i almost fucking threw up like it made me sick to my stomach yeah because i think a lot of it was because he's close to my age um and i i i i feel like and i know i don't know kobe i never met him but i feel like i felt um kind of aligned uh and what he was trying to do with his life. Like he worked his fucking ass off for his whole life.

Now he's 41 years old and I could, you know, you could see him starting to have some fun and live a little life. And then all of a sudden he's fucking gone. Yeah. And so like, you know, I see that as as you know that

could fucking happen to me like i've been working my fucking ass off my whole life you know what i mean so um i personally take it as a signal to like hey bro uh maybe you should go on a trip or two or maybe you should live a little bit you know that's saying get fucking lazy and abandon the reservation right you know but um you know because dude it takes he's got a he's got a legendary work ethic yeah you asked tim grover about his work ethic it's fucking insane yeah you know and uh when you work and put that much time into something um you're giving up a lot of shit on the front end. And,

uh, you know, I think that's a, it, it's fucking sucks. Yeah. You know, I feel bad for his family.

I feel bad. I feel bad for him. Cause I know in his mind he was like thinking, man, this is my time to live. This is my time to do shit. This is my time to do all the shit I couldn't do before. And then it got fucking,

you know, it's gone. Yeah. So Sal, Andy mentioned he found his niche and then he went all in and he had an amazing work ethic is that the key yeah i mean i think kobe is the is the prime example of of not talking about it being about it and i the shortcoming for me is you know i was never a kobe fan because i'm not really a basketball fan um Um, and you know, since his passing, you know, I dug into all the information and really learned a lot about him in the sense. And I really, you know, I felt, I felt cheated in the sense where, you know, there was an

opportunity. Like you would have been a fan. I'd have been a huge fan. Cause I don't, you know, there's a, there's pieces of people that I associate and want to be like, and I always think like, all right, this is to the belief part, find somebody who you'd like to be and emulate those aspects of their life. Like how would they respond? And in diving into Kobe's existence, I liked it. And maybe this is narcissistic, like a lot of the things that he thought and preaches and how he responds to questions is exactly how I think. And, you know, that's a far stretch done. No means do I think I'm Kobe Bryant in that sense, but it's what I aspire to be. And when you look at not only how he led in the locker room, uh, how he competed on the floor, how his mindset is, um, it's definitely not by accident, but

again, going back to the belief it's built out of work, you know, and, and when you look at a man like that, who has all that power, you know, he had his flaws right he made some mistakes right but he owned them right and that's a huge fucking piece about life is like dude you'd be a real fucking man you got to own your shit and you got to respond to it you know talking back to the beginning of the conversation and and then the piece of not only him being a champion and a teammate because he was a teammate and not all of his teammates liked him but why didn't they like him they didn't like him because he expected more out of them than they expected out of themselves and I think when you when you look at that especially inside the business setting like when I get fucking pissed off at my guys like I often do like I want more

for you than you want for yourself and you feel like you got to drag right and so then it creates a little bit of that competitive piece and so like diving diving into, you know, Kobe's life, it made me really respect the man and, you know, going into, uh, him being a father, that's a different level, you know, because you look at, you know, to Andrew's point, he worked his entire life to get to this point and you could see it in his face and his smile and how he communicated with Gigi, you know, being a father, like I could only, um, not even imagine, I couldn't imagine, you know, what, what not only, because in my head, like the first thing, this is like, I don't know, my brain's weird. But the first thing I think of is like, how did he respond

when the helicopter went sideways or what happened in my brain thinking, because I process all negative shit like that. I think he ultimately, the first thing he did is, is look at his daughter and tell her he's going to be okay. Like, that's how I think in my brain. And I think, you know, the champion inside of him, that's, that's the action he took is like, Hey, we're going to be fine. And when you look at, uh, how he's lived his life with that mindset, um, it's really fucking awesome. And I don't think how his greatness, uh, is, it's not an accident. And you know, I always tell people like, because I talk about death a lot to my guys, and I always say, hey, when I die, the line needs to be from here to China. If I live my life

correctly and do what I'd like to do, it's going to show at my funeral. And I think what we learned about Kobe Bryant that day is it shut the internet down, shut the world down. And so at 40 years old, that motherfucker made the impact, like the impact that I want to make, right? Yeah. So there's a level of admiration there that it's far beyond anybody that I have seen, and I wasn't even a fan. Yeah. I mean, it does show someone's greatness when someone doesn't enjoy the game of basketball, but they want to watch Kobe. Dude, I mean, even now.

He's on another level. All of his YouTube stuff, I'm watching just because there's things that you can pick up from sport to business or from sport to life like that guy literally stopped the world right the fucking world and how good do you have to be to stop the world well dude and no shit and i've seen a lot of negativity negative comments about people uh coming from people like saying well why doesn't fucking other people die all the time? Why don't you fuck? Because that ain't fucking life, motherfucker. That's right.

You want to be fucking remembered? You want people to fucking make a big deal about you? You better dedicate and go all in on what the fuck you're about. Right. Because people that aren't great, you don't get that shit. That's not, to me,

that's fucking people whining about the way things are. Absolutely. You know, oh, well, it's not fair whining about the way things are. Absolutely. You know, oh, well, it's not fair to fucking blah, blah, blah. So-and-so, no one cared. Well, no one cared because it fucking wasn't valued enough to care about, no matter whose fault that is, okay? Whether it's the person's fault, whether it's the media's fault,

whether it's the culture's fault. But at the end of the day, people don't value it as much. That's the truth. They value what the fuck they see. Okay. Well, I think they value the result, right? I mean, life is very much result driven and the result that you see from Kobe's ability to lead and to produce, he was producing a legacy, you know, built through core value system of, of work and lead by example and, and, and being a great father and being a great teammate and being a great mind, like his, his ability to influence the world is what made the world miss him when he was gone, you know, and that doesn't come with just being average. That comes with being fucking great. Right. Right. I thought it was interesting, um, or touching, not interesting. Um, you know,

Gigi, the one that perished with him, uh, was the one that he thought was the real beast. The one that was going to be better than him. What's that? There's no doubt. You can see it in it. You can see it in how he communicated to it, you know, to, or just through those videos, like that, that's his, you know, that w to her just through those videos. That was his legacy, right? That was his basketball star. Exactly. And witnesses, close friends say that he took a real delight in sharing his love for the game of basketball with Gigi. And that's the other piece in this, right? As far as charisma goes, is finding something that you have a real love and a passion for. Guys, it's super, super trite and it's a very, very shopworn cliche topic, but people are interested in it. How do you find

out what you're really passionate about? How do you build a life that revolves around something you're passionate about? You're only willing to sacrifice what that man was willing to sacrifice for something he's that passionate about. Meaning like whenever they say you should love what you do because you never work a day in your life, the saying is kind of bullshit. But when you look at the ability to go to the next level and the ability to be able to sacrifice relationships with your friends and sacrifice weekends and sacrifice nights and Christmas and New Year's Day. You can only do that. And it's only palatable when you can figure out that that's something you'd love to fucking do. You know, when you look at like, why did he go to

the gym at three o'clock? Because he cared so deeply about the fucking game and being the greatest version of him that he was willing to sacrifice whatever that took to get there. And if you're just willing, I mean, this is the nine to five mentality if you struggle to be nine to five like you're not passionate about that you're not going to show up early you're not going to stay late you're not going to put it in the world and guess what at the end of your time no one's gonna give a fuck yeah and that's three or four people gonna fucking hurt for about a week but i think that's the thing where passion passion should be the driver for you for your ability to find success you know like there's just a lot of motherfuckers out there that talk about wanting

to have a legacy that don't do nothing to fucking create any kind of fucking legacy listen it's just the reality you don't get the fucking prize out doing the work if you want to matter when no one's fucking when you ain't around you want your shit to matter you better do some shit that fucking matters that's the truth okay i don't know how i didn't make the fucking rules did you make the rules oh did you make the rules yes okay well why did you make the rule that way i mean dude look it's the it's like the problem we have in this whole fucking scenario is that people just aren't willing to accept the way things are it's a it's a point of this podcast it's real as shit like realist

realist like yes i understand that every single person who dies tragically should get you know it's it's sad it's fucked up but the truth is that unless you do the work while the fuck you hear nobody's really gonna care correct they're gonna care your family's gonna care but the people you could a lot when people talk about legacy they're talking about the world right what's the world gonna think well the world has to know who the fuck you are for them to think anything you want to talk about narcissism at its finest i mean i want the world to know my name when i'm dead because i want them to know that you know what i mean so i'm willing to sacrifice whatever i gotta do because yeah dude that's but your name is infinite you know what i'm saying the lessons

you leave are infinite they're able to be passed on well the truth is bro is that legacy isn't really matt legacy doesn't really if you really think about legacy, it really has nothing to do with people remembering your name. It has to do with the effects of what the people built in their own lives based around how you influence them

to build that. So there's a lot of people who have an amazing legacy and no one knows who the fuck their name is. That's the truth. What I'm saying is if you want

a fucking public legacy you got to do things in the fucking public i see these motherfuckers commenting on people's shit saying oh well fucking kobe blah blah blah blah blah and i go to their page it's fucking private well i'm sorry bro if the world doesn't know who the fuck you are what you stand for what you do or nobody's gonna that you're it's just reality man yeah i mean i i think in that scenario if you're willing to throw shade you probably you should probably go check yourself in the mirror look that's the internet man no i understand but i mean if you're you know i'm i'm assuming that there's not one listener inside this audience that is that type

of person yeah but if there is yeah you need to shit you need to go fucking you need to go look in the mirror so the quote that kobe wanted to be remembered by is this to think of me as a person that's overachieved that would mean a lot to me that means i put a lot of work in and squeezed every ounce of juice out of this orange that i could i i think that's, I see him that way. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, right? Like, I don't look at him,

I don't look at Kobe and say he was fucking lucky or say he was talented or say anything. I look at Kobe and I say, there's a fucker that got it. There's a dude who fucking put in the work. There's a guy who identified his natural propensity to do a certain thing and went all in on it. And as a result, he created greatness. guy who identified his natural propensity to do a certain thing and went all in on it. And I,

and, and as a result, he created greatness and that greatness inspired lots and lots of people. That's a fucking real legacy. Well, and I think you do do, I watched a, I watched a phenomenal video on him and he was talking about, you know, like a lot of people will say that I was talented. Yes, I was, but however, I wasn't the most talented. I wasn't, I didn't have a 40 inch vertical or, you know, I didn't have the biggest hands. I was not, I was quick, but I wasn't the most talented. I wasn't, I didn't have a 40 inch vertical or, you know, I didn't have the biggest hands. I was not, I was quick, but I wasn't the quickest guy. Like I could shoot, but I wasn't the best shooter. And so he identified all his weaknesses and then went in and put the work in to make the most out of it. And I think the translation to life there is like,

you know, people have, you know, quote, what is success? Well, success is finding what your ability is and maximizing that fucking ability. Was he gifted? Yes. Did he work his ass off to take that gift and put him to be one of the greats of all times? Yes. And I think when you talk about squeezing the orange, yes, he had a nice orange. However, he squeezed the fuck out of that orange. He did. He did for sure. Well, we, uh, we Well, we all definitely pray that he rests in peace and good stuff, guys. Hey, not to have an awkward transition, but I'll do one anyway. Of course you will. Of course you'll announce it.

So, I put out a call for questions for you guys for some Q&As, and I got some pretty- You got a little Q&A session? I got a little Q& got a little q a section i got a little q a section kind of wrap it up a little bit you know what dude we should do that more often i think we should yeah we for we for sure should but um so i'll start with one of the lighter ones which is this is one uh from t-boy the ruler so um i don't know what your real name is, brother. It looks like Ty. So, Ty actually just wants Andy's breakdown of the whole cannabis industry. He said, Andy said he got out of smoking when he was 25. Hardcore smoking. I just need you guys to elaborate on what you think about the whole trends in cannabis

and the cannabis industry and good, bad, and the ugly. That's a pretty open-ended question. I'm not sure what he meant. Well, I mean, I'm assuming he's asked. Look, dude, I'll just answer it. First of all, why the fuck was it ever illegal in the first place? Okay, it's much less impairing than alcohol, in my opinion. I don't know what the science says.

There could be facts otherwise. Tyler, you should look that up while I'm talking and then tell me the facts. But in my opinion, I feel far less impaired when I smoke marijuana than when I drink alcohol. When I drink alcohol, bad shit happens. When I smoke marijuana, bad shit does not happen. And so I have to question why the fuck it was ever illegal in the first place. I've always felt that way. I've always thought that it should never be illegal.

I've always thought it was insane that you put people in prison for years and years and years and years for fucking selling something that just doesn't do bad shit to people. Now, I know there's people who are going to say, oh, it's a gateway drug. Well, motherfucker, maybe. I've smoked my whole life. I've never done one line of cocaine. I've never smoked crack. I never fucking did. I never injected heroin into my body. I think people who are, have a propensity to be that way are going to be that way regardless. Okay. And if you're going to say that marijuana is a gateway, alcohol is a fucking gateway to, to a lot of bad shit. All right. So, um, and then if you

take the physical effects of the product, they're far less than fucking alcohol. So to me, when I examine all the facts, um, I see a scenario where we had a society who who felt like it should be you know morally wrong or it is morally wrong then we were fed a lot of propaganda you know i mean what do you think of the what's the image that pops in your head when you think of a fucking person smokes marijuana uh like a washed out hippie yeah like a burnout right yeah that's just not true because i know a lot of fucking i know a lot of fucking i know a lot of big ceos that are rich as fuck that are highly fucking effective that smoke weed every day okay fact it's just a fact i see it yeah antidepressants are you know prescribed right

so really what we've had here is we've had a scenario where the government finally woke the fuck up and realized holy shit dude we could solve a lot of the government finally woke the fuck up and realized, holy shit, dude, we could solve a lot of problems by legalizing this shit. We could put less people in prison. We could fucking make more money taxing it. We could add jobs. We could do all these things and create a new economy that helps fucking the country overall by not doing a lot of damage. It's a social thing.

So my opinion on the cannabis industry from a moral standpoint is like dude it should have happened a long time ago that's my personal opinion now from an economic i think it's the greatest fucking opportunity of our lifetime i think it'll be the greatest dude chris and i are in the cannabis space. We have manufacturing licenses, cultivation licenses. We're building out companies. We're already investing. We've invested in other companies. I think it's the greatest opportunity for business in our life. That's my personal take. Now, it's not the greatest opportunity for everybody because it's a high barrier to entry. And I like the way the government's doing that. They're being strategic about how they're divvying out the licenses and who gets

them and who doesn't. And they're trying to create, I know this just from being on the operational, to being on the end of it, of trying to get these licenses. They're trying to bring integrity to the business. They're trying to keep the local fucking weed slinger from the corner out of the game i get that you know what i'm saying they're trying to remove that element and and so um dude i think it's a fucking hell of an opportunity and i think it's good i think i think marijuana does a lot of good for a lot of people like dude i i know it does i just know it does because i fucking smoke it sal you want to weigh in i so now sal's never smoked a fucking weed yeah i've never smoked weed a day in my life yeah we used to fight fight about this well it's not even a fight like actually it's just a it's a

now it's just a this is how hard-headed i am it's just a personal vendetta because everybody now everybody and their brother's like oh dude i'll pay I'll pay you 10 grand. I don't, I'm not for sale. Right. Like, my point is just. Now, in that regard, I've been smoking a long time. Like, this ain't a fucking, I just want you to know, like, you motherfuckers listen, this isn't something I just jumped on. We were fighting about this when we were fucking 16. Oh, no, I mean, mine's a total hold my beer, watch this. You know, like, but i i mean from the fundamental standpoint um if you're gonna make weed illegal alcohol should definitely be illegal totally you know

and the only reason the government's in is so they can get their hands into money it has nothing to do with a fucking they don't give a fuck about they don't care about your fucking health if they they don't give a flying fuck they wouldn't fucking allow doctors to prescribe all these fucking opiates and get all these motherfuckers hooked on shit that's in the lined pockets of the of the government and the officials that's shame on them because now they got all these fucking pain junkies because they're making money from the fucking j and j's of the world lining their pockets lobbying against it now they're lobbying against the lobbyist pays the fucking the politician the politician passes the bill people get fucked now they say okay well we're getting our the opiates are getting

fucking banned and our money's going away where can we go what can we do that's right and alcohol is just kind of like accepted you know what i mean like hey man and listen i i'm a fucking drunk you know what i mean i drink fucking five nights a week so but i'm also a proponent then you start looking at like i don't think the government should tell you what you can and can't do in your own home you know if you want to fucking do in your own home. You know, if you want to fucking smoke crack in your own house. Well, they should. They can. Like, it's not okay to, like, molest kids in your own home. No, no, no, of course.

But I'm talking about, if you want to smoke weed in your house, like, if you wanted to grow weed in your backyard and smoke it in your fucking house and you don't want to sell it, like, I don't see why that's a fucking problem. You know, so, like, in that sense, in the grand scheme of things. Well, dude, it's all money, Sal. That's my, I'm trying to get to that point. When you step back and you start looking at facts, like we were talking about earlier,

you start analyzing the situation, they don't give a fuck about your health. They don't give a fuck about the, maybe your ability to hedge against the antidepressant. They give a fuck about one thing and one thing only, taxation. They want to take your money. They want to take that money. And they want to make sure instead of it going to Pablo Escobar it's going to the U.S. government fucking pocket that's all they

care about and so you know to think anything different is just fucking sheepish yeah so I mean like in in the sense like do I have a problem with the monetization of weed no I think it's a like to Andrew's point it's the greatest opportunity that's probably going to pass from an exploding business in our standpoint. Do I think these guys who go out there and fucking bang the fucking health card and the jockey card and they're playing all it's bullshit. You know it. I fucking know it. Oh yeah.

You're smoking that shit to get fucking high. Okay. So I agree with that. Yeah. Like all you motherfuckers out there with your medical cards, you ain't fooling us bro. Oh dude, I got it.

Cause of my, my fucking, it helps me sleep. Yeah. fucking 10 bacardian diets so does fucking heroin i'm assuming so does fuck you know what i mean like the fuck out of here i got a problem sleeping you know yeah so you get a medical card bro yeah i could walk you know and so there's there's and when it comes down to it's it's all personal agenda like this goes back to like the democrat republican the fuck that's why i try to stay super neutral and i mean clearly i'm i don't smoke weed i never have in my entire fucking life so i could take are you saying you won't no yeah i won't you'll never smoke weed your whole life nope out of principle that way i can look you know that way i can look

at my children and say you know what you don't have to well and i made the decision a conscious decision i could dude i could fucking i could have smoked weed with fucking Nelly right here. I don't care. I'm just asking. No, but in my, but that's my point. Well, it was pounded in our heads as a little kid is you want to smoke weed, you're gonna sweep in my warehouse. That's something to, I trust my dad. But anyway, um, you know, to bet Tander's story earlier about there's two sides of every stories. I would argue that there's three, there's your side, your side, and the truth, which lies in the middle. And so just because my personal stance is out here and their personal stance is over here. Yeah, but that's higher level thinking.

No, no, I understand. In the middle, it's like, hey. That's how people should think. You should be able to differentiate your personal agenda from what the facts are. And that's what I was saying earlier. Like people don't have the ability to do that. You and I do that all the time. Cause we have to do it to be effective in business. Yeah. And I just like, to me, like I always, I always relate it back to fucking sex. This is fucking weird, but that's how much,

if you, whatever you want to do with your husband and wife behind closed doors, go fucking do it. If it makes you feel good, if it makes you sleep better, if you fucking both rocking and rolling, you think it's the greatest fucking thing on earth, close the motherfucking door, turn them fucking lights off, and go to fucking town. So if that's smoke weed, smoke weed. You want to get drunk? You get to be a good boy that way. Yeah, well, do you know what I mean?

Ain't nobody fucking, ain't nobody judging you. You know that joke. So, that's my stance. Good boy? Good boy in there? Well, Ty, thank you for the question. Oh, Lee? Oh, Lee a good boy good boy in there well ty thank you for the question i uh good boy yeah i actually don't know enough about the issue to really say either way just be honest i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna share what ignorance i have about that a whole issue but um so here's a guy um you know vaughn didn't get the nickname the impaler for nothing he gave it to himself

that's why he's got so many. That's why he's got all these kids. Oh, man, I just lost the. Oh, hold on. I had the second question. There we go. Here we go. All right.

So this next question is from Jnew14, Justin Neubauer. So he makes a reference to Kobe, and I know we were kind of done with that section, but I think it's a really good question. So I'm going to ask it. So he says, I've always wondered Andy's take on this. It's pretty timely due to Kobe's passing. So Kobe was accused of rape early in his career, but ultimately since that has been nothing but a standout human being. I've seen many people say, I don't understand his next statement.

He says, I've seen many people say why... Oh, he says, I've seen many people ask, why praise someone who was able to do something like that? He wasn't able to do something like that. It was proven that he didn't do it. Right. So that's the first point. So he says, in addition, my timeline was flooded a month ago with hate about Michael Vick being a captain at the Pro Bowl because of his past.

What's your guys' take on all that? If you make a horrible decision early in life or your career, does that condemn you for the rest of your life, regardless of how much good you do afterwards? It's a problem with fucking society, bro. Nobody can even do something that's even fucking... Dude, Kobe was an adult tour. He had a side girlfriend, okay?

That side girlfriend, that situation came to a head when that, this is the fucking facts. This is what came out in court. The side girlfriend, when she realized she wasn't going to be the main girlfriend decided to tell people that he was, that she was raped. Okay. This is a whole nother discussion. There should be fucking legal ramifications for people to accuse people of rape when they find that it was not true. Okay. Those motherfuckers that make those accusations should go to fucking jail because it's too easy right now for a man to be accused of that shit and it not be true. And then this motherfucker is dead. Now people are still talking about it.

That's fucking bullshit when it was proven in a court of law to not be true you know i'm saying so the facts of the scenario are dude he settled with her that does not make him guilty when you have a lot of money sometimes people pay people to shut the fuck up and that's reality that's what happens okay that's our legal system that's the fault of our legal system i personally believe that if you do some fucked up shit and you own it like you said earlier where he came out and you know how hard it was for him to stand and go through all that and sit there and say his wife watching yeah dude and then to have to admit like well listen i had a side bitch okay and fucking they blew up in my fucking face that's embarrassing as fuck right but he didn't fucking

rape her you know what i mean so how many of these dudes out there fucking accusing him are out there doing the same shit a lot statistically proven 60 of the people 60 of the people who are jumping on the bandwagon saying fuck him they're doing the same shit that's the truth okay so what was the other example well he just he michael vick oh the michael vick thing you know what my purse okay this is a good example of how people should think. I think it's dude. I am the biggest fucking animal person on the face of the fucking planet when it comes to dogs. I love dogs. I don't even have kids because I love dogs so much.

Dude, that shit is fucked up. Like to let to let like, dude, I was watching. I was trying to watch that documentary. Don't fuck with cats. And they got to Tyler knows this, Don't Fuck With Cats. Tyler knows this because we talked about it yesterday. They got to the point where they were showing the video of that guy going to kill these cats. And I thought they were going to show it. I turned it off.

I can't watch that shit. It makes me fucking sick. Animals are innocent. You know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely. I look at it different. So my personal feeling is that Michael Vickick what he did is in fucking excusable it's inexcusable but then i'm able to sit back and i step back and i say okay

where did this come from well when he was raised that's that was considered normal for what they did you know in that culture where he comes from and what they do that is not and that is not an abnormal thing so at what point is the person a product of their environment and not recognizing what they're doing is actually wrong I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the motherfucker went to jail in the middle of his career his career never really recovered okay and. And he paid his fucking price. And I personally think when we're talking about celebrating someone on a professional level, like he got named captain of the pro bowl team or whatever.

I think personally, I think what he did was fucking the most disgusting thing a human could really do or one of the most. But I think he paid his price. And I think at some point we've got to be able to say people deserve to pay their whatever it is that they did to pay atone for their sins, so to speak, and move the fuck on. And we have a problem with that in society right now because we let our personal beliefs keep us with in the pitchfork and the torch crowd wanting to fucking you know ruin people and i don't think that's okay so you know yeah that's how i feel about it i feel like if people own their shit and they pay the price for what they did wrong which in both scenarios i believe

they did so that's that's what I think. In my experience, and this is certainly true of the history of the church as I've studied it, is that the people who were total screw-ups and did really bad things but then got on the right path ended up being more of a force for good than the people who were goody-two-shoes all along. Well, let me ask you this. Yeah. So doesn't the Bible preach about not judging?

Yes or no? Yeah. Doesn't it teach about forgiving? Absolutely. You know what? Redemption. The whole story is redemption. Sometimes it's really fucking hard to forgive people.

It is. Just like I got a motherfucker who stabbed me in the fucking face and almost killed me. I forgive that dude. Right. I'm not judging that dude. I hope that dude's living a really good life. Right. You get what I'm saying?

Absolutely. And like, dude, that takes a lot of fucking strength for anybody. Like, dude, it takes a lot of strength for people to look at Michael Vick and say, you know what? He paid his price. Even though I feel a certain way about this scenario, I have to accept the fact of the matter is that he was dealt this punishment. He served that punishment.

I think we allow somebody like that to move on. That's my personal feeling. Oh, absolutely. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks. Yeah, what do you think, Sal? I mean, for me personally, you know, when I started living like a true life of forgiveness in a sense, it's going to sound really Bible thumper of me. But, you know, I really did feel my life got insurmountably better. And the reason I say that is because, you know, I've learned to try to erase negativity from my brain because negative thoughts steal a lot of your energy.

And when I started to really like start to see things kind of how Andrew was stating him, like, you know, Michael Vick grew up in that environment. So for me to judge him for growing up in that environment, it's not fair to him. Did he do what he did? Was it wrong? Absolutely. It was a million percent wrong. Um, however, you know, my ability to forgive has taught me to release that out of my brain. So I have the ability to move on, you know, not dwell on it and not think about it and not like when people do me wrong, like I know they do me wrong and I know I could like get in a little bickering match back and forth with them, but that's not my place. Like it's, it's my job to move on, forgive them for that portion of it

and fucking step outside and keep moving, you know? And so like, you know, look at Kobe, like he, he, he paid his price. You know, he had to, you know, look at Kobe. Like, he paid his price. You know he paid his price when he walked back in that bedroom with his wife. Oh, yeah. And he had to figure that out. And I'm sure that relationship was never the same. And she had to forgive him, right? And that's part of that process is being able to forgive because, you know,

what's the, how's the quote go about throwing stones? Oh, let he who is sinless cast the first stone. Okay, a good fucking place to start you know yeah i agree with that i think if people live by that we'd have a much better world people have forgotten that bro they you know like people think that they can hide in the crowd right but like you know God sees your fucking DMs. God sees your texts. God sees your behaviors. You're not hiding, bro. Right. Like that's what people think.

I'm going to join this because I want, I'm fucking for this. Well, all the other things that you do wrong, there's judgment for those things. So I believe that. Like I'm a spiritual dude. That's my belief. Karma is real. I agree. Listen, every day of my life and every time I go to church, there's a phrase that I pray,

which is, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. The whole point for me is I don't know how people can just, like, refuse to forgive people or refuse to give people a sense of mercy or grace. Because to me, I can only speak for myself. I've screwed up so many times, and I've received so much goodness from God in spite of that. How can I not give it to somebody else? Totally agree.

Hold on, dude. Let me hit on that, too, for a second. Dude, everything good in life is the result of something hard. You know, forgiving people who do really fucked up shit, guess what? Sometimes it's really hard. Forgiving people does not mean that you don't care. It means knowing what they did and recognizing the gravity of what they did and still forgiving them.

That's fucking Christ-like. Absolutely. Okay? People don't think that way. It's not minimizing it. It's not saying, oh, it's not a big deal. You're overcoming something, and that's important. It's an important thing for people to think about.

Well, and just because you've, like, the forgive and forget model, those are two different things. You know, forgiveness in your heart and being able to move on is different than acting like it never happened. You know what I mean? And so for me, I think specifically in business relationships or in life, I'm able to check down those mistakes a lot easier now as I've matured as an adult than I used to

because I used to hang it over their head and like, I'm going to use this against you as a pawn and a chip. Now I choose to forgive and move on and not utilize that relationship anymore than I do to hold it over their fucking head and slander them, if you will. Yeah, but also, too, I don't think forget is what you're supposed to do. No. I think it's forgive and remember and then be smart about recognizing the pattern starts to repeat and be aware of that.

Well, the example I always use is if an extended member of my family molested one of my girls, I could come to a point where I would forgive that person, but they would never be around my girls again. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. That doesn't mean I don't forgive them. That's a logical smart decision and people mistake like forgiveness is bearing no ill will to somebody it's saying it's saying i don't hope you die or i don't hope you have a miserable life there's situations that where i'm not christ-like because that's something that yeah hey listen bro i would need i would need god's grace to do that but see that is being a human you understand you're not supposed to be

fucking perfect sometimes you're gonna do you're gonna feel things and do things and be infuriated by things that you're you're gonna have a really fucking hard time with and sometimes it's impossible to forgive people for things I personally agree with what you said because if someone were to do that to your kids, I would fucking kill them. It would be worth prison for me. You understand? You understand what I'm saying? Like, it would be worth the prison for me.

Like, I would say- I can identify with that emotion for sure. And I would say, okay, well, now I got to kill this motherfucker. And I would know what I have to do to get right with God about that. Like, you know what I'm saying? No, and I think for me, when you cross me,

I have a much greater deal of forgiveness against me personally than I do against those closest to me. Oh, yeah. It's very hard for me. Like, I can, like, things like. That's human. No, I know. But, like, in me, like, you can kind of cross me,

and I'm like, you know what? It is what it is. Don't hurt my kids. Yeah. Or one of my guys. Or, like, I'm very loyal in that, you can kind of cross me and I'm like, you know what? It is what it is. Don't hurt my kids. Yeah. Or one of my guys. I'm very loyal in that fucking sense. Don't fuck with me. You can fuck with me.

Don't fuck with my people. Right. No, I hear you. But that's human. Human is struggling with situations like this. Absolutely. Especially with forgiveness of self. Dude, I was thinking this the other day.

I don't remember how it got in my brain, but like, you know, when you have someone, okay, like you, Sal, or like me, who are inherently very demanding about people's standards, especially in certain situations like business. Like, dude, I don't fucking ask for people to be perfect. I expect them to be perfect. It's not a fucking ask. It's a, it's a requirement to be around me. Okay. Sometimes, guess what? Most of the time, what are they? They're not perfect. I also understand that. All right. But what I'm saying is, is that when you look at yourself, like a lot of people think, oh, dude, you guys are just fucking, you have unreasonable standards.

No, the reason that we have those standards on others is because the standards that we hold for ourselves are actually way fucking higher. You know what I mean? So when you, dude, look, I'll just be real. I didn't figure this out until recently. You know, one of the reasons I've struggled with being down is because dude, I fucking think I'm a piece of shit because my standards are so fucking high that like, dude, it would be impossible to live to them. Impossible. And I was talking to one of my friends, Aaron Wagner, who's a very, very smart, successful man,

a guy I respect a lot. Good friend, great friend. Okay. Um, and we were talking about it and the truth is, is like, that's also part of being a human is figuring out how to be imperfect, but also not to destroy yourself because you are, you know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely. I was just telling somebody the other day that, um, the, the account of God creating humankind is very insightful, like in the book of Genesis, where he takes dust from the ground, and he forms it into a human being, and then he breathes into it the breath of life, which is the Hebrew word, sounds like a Klingon word. It's ruach, it's the Spirit of God.

And to me, that's the perfect thing we need to remember, that we are given the Spirit of God as human beings, we have huge potential. We can do everything we put our minds to, but at the end of the day, we're also dust. We're also made from the ground. We're also finite. So it's holding that tension of who we are as human beings, that we're capable of so much, but we are, after all, just human. And it's a basis of humility. Like, the Spirit part of it gives us a little sense of swag but we have to remember that we're dirt it's like that that uh well what is it the kansas song that you keep on it's like us in the wind right years it's hard as fuck to be humble when you're actually good at shit like being humble when you're a normal motherfucker walking around the

face of the earth there ain't nothing to brag about. Like, what the fuck have you done? Right. What have you done to be humble about? You got to be good before you can be fucking humble. That's what people don't understand. And, dude, another thing I want to hit on this since we're on this fucking talk of spirituality. reality um why is it that these people will dm me or you or other people and say i can't believe that you um believe in god and use the word fuck or i can't believe that you know you uh you you

say you're spiritual but you know you also like naked women like dude what the fuck are you guys talking about first of all motherfucker if i remember correctly in the ten commandments one of them is thou shall not what judge you know what i'm saying like people are so ignorant of their own hypocrisy that's a commandment that's not one of the ten commandments but it's one of them oh is it not yeah it's it's in the bible but it's not well see i don't know that's why you're here bro look i don't know all the ins and outs it but it's one of them. Oh, is it not? Yeah, it's in the Bible, but it's not one of the Ten Commandments. Okay, well, see, I don't know. That's why you're here, bro. Look, I don't know all the ins and outs. It's cool, but it's

in there. I take it as a pretty strong fucking suggestion. And you know what? That's another thing that's hard. It's hard not to judge motherfuckers. Right. But dude, again... It's weird to me that in Christian culture, what people

like how often they fucking judge other motherfuckers like what are you doing like this goes against the foundation of your fucking beliefs well it was kind of crazy is that it's it's usually two extremes it's either people who see because i don't think people really understand even what it's meant by don't judge. Because for one thing, it's clearly not saying that we can't ever evaluate someone's actions. It's not possible not to judge. Yeah. It's not possible.

But that's not what Jesus means. But that's the part again that's hard. He's not saying that we can't evaluate people's actions. What Jesus says is judge not lest you be. Meaning, you better be really careful pointing a finger at somebody else because it's going to come around at you. If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. I mean, that's

essentially what he's saying. Again, you have the extremes. You have the people who are always going around condemning other people for the way they live, and they're not looking at their own lives. The word picture that Jesus uses is that there are people who walk around trying to take a little speck out of people's eyes when they've got a plank in their own eye.

And that's what he's saying. Don't do that. But then the other aspect of that, the other extreme, is people who, for instance, if you were to evaluate somebody and say literally, hey, for instance, if you were to evaluate somebody like, and say literally, Hey, there are ways that you need to improve your life. Then they say, Oh, don't judge me. Well, they're wrong too, because it's okay to call people to account. It's okay to say to people, Hey, listen, the way you're living maybe needs a little bit of improvement. Okay. It's just the spirit in which we do that right you know that's what's funny is that i feel like sometimes unsuccessful people accuse uh successful people

of judging them simply because the successful people might say well listen if you want to be if you want to be where i'm at you got to work oh you're just judging yeah you're just judging me you think less of me no i'm not i'm just telling you how things are i'm speaking to the people who want that life right if you don't want it cool right i don't care you know what most of my fucking friends most of my friends are in a completely different economic fucking bracket than i'm in true or false true most of my friends okay do i fucking judge that do you think I judge my fucking friends that don't make as much money as me? I don't give a fuck. They're my friends.

But ironically, when you drive your Bentley into the gas station, you get flipped off. Why? Because that person is judging you. He doesn't drive a Bentley. I don't drive a Bentley because it ain't baller enough for me. Oh, okay. Sorry. If we're going to judge my standards, judge them accurately.

Okay, what is it? What did you take me to the emergency room in? That's a Rolls Royce. That's a Rolls Royce. Completely different car, different level of balderdome. By the way, if you have to go to the emergency room,

I recommend being taken in a Rolls Royce. Yes. To quote Ferris Bueller, it's so choice. I highly recommend it. But no, but the point is- That's a great coupon for Vaughn in the car. Yeah, yeah but but no but the point is it's a great coupon for Vaughn in the car

yeah yeah exactly but the point being people when they flip you off for that ironically that's them judging you that's them saying

you must think you're better than I am that's right because you're driving I just like cool shit bro do you really get flicked off in a car almost every time I drive it

really it happened when I was with him yeah he was with me. He had somebody pull, he saw, we got on a camera. Lady pulled up and fucking yelled and screamed at me. Yeah. Yeah.

Why? Because, dude, here's why. Because when people see a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or a fucking cool Porsche, they think, oh, that's cool. When they see a fucking Rolls Royce, they think that guy's fucking, that guy's got to be a dick. Yeah. It's a selfish car, they think that guy's fucking, that guy's got to be a dick. Yeah. It's a selfish car, they think.

Yeah. But they don't realize if you ever drove a Rolls Royce, you'd fucking get it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure the time that you got flipped off, though, was in the TDF. No, it was in the Carrera GT. Carrera. But what you saw happen, that happens all the time in the Rolls. Yeah.

None of the other, like it's very, I've never actually had it happen in any other car but the rules. This is kind of goes back to the forgiveness thing for me though. Like in my brain, I've learned, dude, when I, if I get hate,

I literally don't even, I don't even let it in. It doesn't even bother me. Yeah. Like I don't, but I've learned, like it's been one of my strengths is like,

I don't listen to the noise. You know, I don't let the noise bother me. I don't care. But I've also learned that that doesn't, that means I can't bring the noise. Right. I don't cast on people. They can do whatever fuck they want. And that's what I've learned about life. Like you go make whatever fucking

decision you want to make for yourself, your life. You can do whatever you want with it. This is my life. I'm gonna do whatever I want to do with it. Well, Andy, you mentioned, you mentioned that there's strength in forgiveness. And I, a quote that I've always loved is Martin Luther King Jr.'s quote, I will hate no man, I will not give him that power over me. And I think that's a great attitude to have about it. Because if you're really enslaved to hate or unforgiveness, that's exactly what you are. You're enslaved.

Well, then you start thinking about it. He's got power over your brain. You're figuring out how to get him back. You're just seething about it. You know what i don't that's why i was telling the interview the other day i gotta get back to swimming because like swimming has allowed me to process a lot of things because it's just me and i get to talk to myself like in a crazy way you know yeah today today's crazy thought this morning when i was swimming i started thinking about you know this is about living right like what happens if you come back and i know you know whatever if you

come back and you're the person that you did the most wrong to like the most ill-willed decision that you made against somebody you got to go live that decision you start to think about i know and you start then you start thinking about in the pool i mean you start thinking about every you know like everything you've done you're like oh man i gotta start thinking this way i gotta every fucking decision in life i gotta make start living towards that way because now that i think it because your point about believing it now maybe it's a reality you You know, now I got to fucking, I got to up my goddamn game. I know that's crazy talking. People are like, man, you were, what the fuck is wrong? You don't even smoke weed. You think that? No, no. I think that's fucking actually really

intelligent way to think because if you could actually take other people's perspective into account before you make a decision that's going to affect them. I think you make better decisions. Of course. Yeah. That's why I believe a good business deal is one that's good for the customer and it's good for the other two parties involved. Come on, motherfucker. I've seen you negotiate with kids in Mexico for chiclets for free. That's a good deal for them. Hey, you didn't mind that. Let's say I got 20 grand off the gym. A couple hundred grand off the furniture. I will say I got a couple hundred grand off the furniture. I will say this.

You're a great negotiator. And I'm teasing. What Sal does in Mexico, actually, because people are going to be like, what was this fucking dick move? The truth is, is what he does is he negotiates with the kids real fucking hard to the point where they're like ready to give him the chiclets for free. And then he pays them the real price anyway. That's awesome. teaches them it's a lesson it's a little lesson so i'm teasing but it's one of my favorite things to go to mexico when we go to mexico and talk to like

the local people that are working the shops and stuff because they always you know it's a deal it's like you're gonna make the deal dude everybody wants to win the deal but what i think is cool both of us have done this a million times, is we'll negotiate the deal with those guys and then we'll pay what they asked the first time. So it's like, it's fun.

And they're always like super appreciative. Like, I don't know. It's one of my favorite things about going to Mexico. That is awesome. So,

I'm going to stop. Yeah. I was going to- I negotiated with the motherfuckers in Haiti, dude. I was just going to wrap it up pretty much. Yeah, no. Okay. I'm going to do that. I was gonna I negotiated with the motherfuckers in Haiti I was just gonna wrap it up pretty much yeah no

okay I will do that I was gonna do he mentioned maybe wanting to do predictions for the Super Bowl but when this posts

this will be after so we'll have to say these are our predictions we don't know if they came true but you know although will that be weird find out the line the what the line You know. Although, will that be weird?

Find out the line. The what? The line. I literally had that protein bar today. That's it. I'm the same way. I had like... Fucking starving. the same way I had like what does that even mean I've never been able to figure out

that whole the way that that works Chiefs are getting a point okay so plus one is okay giving a point okay i mean dude kansas city's defense is not good yeah they can get run all over score they keep patrick mahomes off the field and they run could be a long night for the chiefs so okay so i i was gonna just uh wrap it up by saying uh here i'll yeah i'm gonna do

all right guys well just so you know i uh when i put out that call for questions i got a ton of questions so at some point uh we're to probably have to do a whole episode of questions. Oh, dude, let's just work them in like we did. That was fun. Okay. Yeah, we could do that. Do we get any more? Are we moving on?

What are we doing on time? We've been going for a while. I know you mentioned wanting to do— About an hour and 40. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know you mentioned wanting to do some predictions. At the time of the posting of this episode, the Super Bowl will have already happened.

So your prediction is... I'm going last, Mo. Oh, you're going last. Well, I'm going to say that the Chiefs, and I don't like to bet on the Chiefs. I have to say I've been very cynical. The fact that they won the AFC Championship was just a miracle to me.

Because I always say... What the fuck have you been watching all year, bro? Well, yeah, but there were years that the Chiefs were really good. Dude, you can't judge somebody on their last year's performance than the year before. Hey, listen, I'm glad I was wrong. I was glad I was wrong. But I am going to bet on the Chiefs, and I'm going to say that they're going to win 27-24. 27-24. Okay.

I think the 49ers are a better football team. I do. They're a better defensive football team. I think if Richard Sherman can play lockdown corner, which he's capable of doing, I think it dismantles the ability for Patrick Mahomes to do what he does best, which is stretch the over the top and dump to Kelsey. Fuck, man.

But I have to say, being in Chiefs Nation now, part of the deal, my heart's got to go with the Chiefs. I just want them to win because I think that place is Kansas City, the Kansas City tailgate, the Kansas City fans. It's fucking real America, it's real America. I was telling somebody this the other day. You know what I love about Kansas City Chiefs is when you go to the tailgate, it's white, it's black, it's Mexican. It's fucking fandom.

You know what I mean? And it's drinking beer and barbecue. And no one gives a fuck about all this other bullshit. They give a fuck about the Chiefs and they fly the flag flag high and you're walking through the tailgates man and like to me that's that's what fucking life's about that's what sports about that's what america's about it's supposed to be and so i'm gonna say what did you say i said 27 24 chiefs that's a pretty good fucking predictor there vaughn 27 24 chiefs i'm say it's going to be higher than that. I'm going to say 35-31 Chiefs.

Okay. I'm going to say they can't keep fucking Tyreek Hill down. All right. 35-31 Chiefs. Okay. By the way. And I'll take the over. Before Andy shares his prediction.

Oh, we got Tyler got to go, too. Oh, Tyler's got to do it, too. Tyler's going to jump in and say Tom Brady's going to win Super Bowl. I am going with my former Patriot. It is an option. I did want to say something I found very intriguing. When the Rams got sold and moved back to Los Angeles, there were a number of people here in St. Louis who said,

you know what, I've always wanted to root for the Chiefs. I'm one of those people. Now I can root for the Chiefs. Because I always felt bad rooting for the Chiefs because the Rams were here. But now that the Rams are gone, I can justify rooting for the Chiefs. I've always just liked the Chiefs. You know what? I didn't like the Chiefs.

When I was living in Springfield, Missouri, I didn't like the Chiefs because for some reason, the Chiefs fans in Springfield were always just dicks. Kind of like Cubs fans. They acted like Cubs fans. And if you're in Springfield and you're a Chiefs fan, be a real fucking fan. Don't be a dick. Moral of the story, Don't be a dick. Moral of the story, don't be a dick. Were they the kind of people like when their team lost, they just said,

well... No, dude. When they lost, it was like... Well, they were terrible then, too. No, they were always... I don't know. They're always like a 500 football team. I don't know. Maybe it's... Those guys who when their team loses... Maybe it's just the fact that I wasn't a Chiefs fan. I was a little bit jealous that I wasn't.

I don't know. Possible. But I like them now. It is what it is. I will say I did go to a Chiefs game in early 2000s when they played the Raiders, and I wore Raiders shit. And that was funny. They were cool, too.

The fans at the stadium, I thought they were going to fucking be total assholes. It was fun shit talking there was nobody over the line and uh i really like i i i really do like the culture of that team it's just they're good people man and if you're one of those people in springfield you know be nice anyway what's your prediction, bro? Tom Brady. I figured that's what it is. Well, before you go, though, Patrick Mahomes, this goes back to the-

Bro, I got it broke down. Dude, he's a fucking stud, man. The guy's good looking. He's nice. He's charismatic. All the things you're talking about earlier, he can run it. He can throw it. Dude, he's the comeback kid.

No fear. Got balls of steel. Dude, he's the comeback kid. No fear. Got balls of steel. I think he'll pull it off. I don't think there's any question. I don't think there's any question they're going to win. I think they're going to win by a lot. You think so? I think San Francisco's score will be 24-ish,

and I think the Chiefs' score will be 42-ish. You think it's just time? No. They're due? Fuck no. Well, yeah, I do think that, but that's not why I think that. I'm a strategic thinker. You said about Sherman.

Well, dude, the Chiefs have a lot more weapons than just fucking Tyreek Hill. And if they can open up the offense and create space, Mahomes is too dangerous. They can't stop it. So the minute they start covering the over the top, it's going to create space. He's going to make plays on his feet. They're going to have to come up and watch the box.

It's going to open up the top. Dude, they're too dynamic. They're too fucking fast. They're too athletic. And as long as they play the games that they've been playing and come out, you know, because like, dude, they got a scare in the NFC Championship game. I mean, that was fucking scary.

I was there. Yeah. It was awesome. But dude, I'm just saying, like, if they come out hungry and they come and Andy Reid has them ready to play, there's no fucking way San Francisco could beat them. There's no way. Going with San Francisco. Yeah.

Okay. 31-24. Well, I mean, dude, that San Francisco defense beat him. There's no way. Going with San Francisco. 31-24. Dude, that San Francisco defense is tough. That's not your fucking prediction because you just waited to see what I asked you first. You interrupted me. I said Tom Brady, but I was going with the guy who was trained by Tom Brady.

Dude, that guy, I'll tell you what. That guy, I guarantee has no problems getting laid. That is one good-looking dude. Who's that? Don't bring your girl around him. Garoppolo. Whatever his name is.

I don't know, but some bitch is good. You go in that dude's comments on IG, and it's like, fuck. Dude, he's got to be a slinger, man. What'd you leave on his page? Go on his comments. This is the battle of the two best-looking quarterbacks. Them dudes, neither one of them dudes are struggling they're fucking pimps yeah but dude here's what i'll say like i for real

i and i'm not saying this because i'm a fan i i am a fan but i'm this has been the constant theme of the show when i break down what i know about football which i know a little bit i don't i'm not a fucking professional sportscaster. It's going to be really – to me, in my mind, I don't see how the fuck they're going to stop them. Dude, it's going to be a great fucking game. Maybe. San Francisco is a better, well-rounded team.

Better what? What's better? They're a more solid team, meaning they play a better defense. They have a better offensive set. The top-line talent of the Chiefs, it's like the 99 Rams. The Chiefs' defense is not fucking good. Their offense is going to have to outscore them. I'm taking the over.

This will be really interesting for everybody listening to this, knowing that it's after the fact. They're going to be like, you guys suck at predicting. Watch it be like 14-10. But that's how Super Bowls usually go, right? Totally so fucking unpredictable, man. Look, I'm sticking with my fucking story. It's going to be a 20-point difference plus. Well, nice.

One of us will be correct. I think it's going to be 20s. The fucking Niners will be in the 20s, and Chiefs will be in the 40s or 50s. That's what I think. So, anyway. I'm excited to drink a beer and fucking watch it, I can tell you that.

I'm excited to drink a beer and watch it it. I can tell you that. I'm excited to drink a beer and watch it. I'm excited to drink a beer and watch this fucking Netflix show that you talked about for two and a half hours. It's good, man. What is the final? You'll binge watch it for sure. Oh,

well, it's dumbest motherfucker in all the land. Oh, dude, my favorite part of the show. Yeah. So you guys probably heard of the penis man, right?

Dave, Dave, the penis man. He was recently arrested out in arizona the penis the penis man yeah so swat uh recently kicked in his apartment door and arrested him for uh vandalizing you know universities and public areas by writing the words penis man all over and upon getting arrested he actually said he's a copy cat he's not the original penis man he's like penis man is not a guy or a girl we are all penis men penis man is a movement he is the leader von that's the movement you can join you know what those guys are nuts. Those penis guys are nuts. I got you, Yvonne.

Dude, you know what? That was so daddish. It kind of went over my head for a minute. Andy, what's a word you would write? If you had to start this kind of movement writing graffiti, what's the crude words you would put up on there? Does it have to be crude? I know it would be just because I know you. No, dude.

I'd be writing I am first form everywhere. Nice. I like it. Okay. Vandalism associated with first form? No, yeah, well. We're going to have a huge graffiti wall on the back of the new gym, and it's going to say, I am first form. All right, all right.

At 200 feet long. For real, what would I say? Yes. It has to be vulgar? I'm just saying I assumed that it was going to be vulgar. Why would you assume that? Because it's nature. You judged him. Yes. I'm just saying I assumed that it was going to be vulgar. Why would you assume that? Because it's nature. You judged him.

Yes. I'm not God. I certainly wouldn't fucking write penis man. Okay, I'm just playing along. So you write ass man. Ass man. Dude, Howard Stern's already ass man. I think he's a character.

He's got a character called ass man. I think that was in Seinfeld way back in the day. There was a whole episode about that. I am an ass man, so I can be a part of that. You could join the movement? Yeah, I mean... Hey, look, dude, you guys are losing steam here because you're being pussies.

What the fuck would you write? No, I'm just being a good Christian. They didn't ask me, they asked you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're not subscribed to the Andygram, in all seriousness, those who are not subscribed to Andy's blog should subscribe. I believe it's just andyfrasella.com forward slash sign up, I think, or it might be subscribe.

I guess I should know that, but I just don't. Does anybody in this room know that? Medot, do you know it? How do you sign up for your Andygram? You just go to it. Go to the Andygram on the website. Click on it, and it'll ask you. Yeah, you just go to it go to the anagram on the website click on it and it'll ask

yeah you just go to it good deal it's cool though I'm putting out you know a daily blog every single day

you are it's two to three minutes four minutes read it's just a little bit of a tip um you know to get your day

started off in the right way it comes in the morning you get to look at it just a tip yeah just a tip and uh get you

get you going off on the right direction by the end of the day you'll be a professional ass eater. Oh, my. All right, final word, Sal. I actually have a course coming out. I'm just saying. For $999, right?

That's right. $999. That's too much. No, it was $14,000, but I discounted it today only to $997. We established early on, though, that $900 was too much for the foot fetish. That's true. Yeah, but not for the ass fetish. Not for the ass fetish.

The extra $90 is worth it. I mean, lesson for the day is don't worry about how much talent you have. Worry about maximizing that talent. And I think if Kobe Bryant taught us anything is you don't have to be the biggest. You don't have to be the tallest. You don't have to be the biggest, you don't have to be the tallest, you don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be the fastest. You just have to be aware enough of what your weaknesses are and be able to correct those through action and work. And if you can correct your weaknesses,

you can live the life that you want to live. You can be remembered for the things that you want to be remembered for, but it comes with a fucking price that needs to be paid. I think that's great advice, but my takeaway is something completely different. My takeaway is this. Don't be a turd, man. Realize your own imperfections and try not to jump on people who do wrong and instead stop and think, why do I feel this way? Did this person actually do these things? Did they not do these things? Do they stand for these things? Do they not? Am I receiving the truth? Is my

perception the truth or is it my own bias? I think a lot of problems in the world could be solved by a little bit of self-examination and a little bit of fucking humor. Okay. We're not supposed to be perfect humans. We're not supposed to be perfect in every single way. We are perfect. We're not supposed to be perfect humans. We're not supposed to be perfect in every single way. We are perfect. We are perfect. And that requires us to understand that comes with the flaws that we have as well. And so when you do wrong or other people do wrong, own it and extend people the same courtesy that you wish you would have if you were the person that you're trying to jump on that bandwagon to destroy i think the world would be a lot better place if people would just take a minute stop and think you when you said vaughn earlier you said um about throwing the stones in the in the glass house thing uh or what was it what was the quote you said about the judge uh let he who is sinless

cast the first stone that's right and so remember that when you fucking cast your stones at people that people are going to cast their stones at you at some point in time so when you jump on the latest trend to villainize someone or destroy someone or hurt someone because you think they did wrong realize that your time is going to come with that. And for every fucking instance that you do that, you're going to get that back. I believe that. This is why I don't talk shit. I want to talk shit. I want to expose a lot of the people out there and say all these things that I personally think. But the truth of the matter is I don't actually know I don't know that's the truth so before you open your mouth and you throw some rocks and you try to hurt people remember they're gonna fucking hurt you back if you do not them someone else will

well said thanks guys and guys thanks for what's your final thought oh my final thought um will you surprise me I didn't uh I wasn't ready for people want to hear what the Guys, thanks for... What's your final thought? Oh, my final thought? Well, you surprised me. I wasn't ready for a final thought. People want to hear what the Jean-Claude Van Damme has to say. You know what? I just go back to what we said earlier with the issue of forgiveness. I think that people who have a really healthy sense that they themselves have received a lot of really good things in life that they don't deserve. They've received a lot of breaks that they didn't earn. I'm one of those people. I've done things

that I should have suffered the consequences for, but God in His grace and mercy said, no, I'm going to kind of protect him from this a little bit, and I'm going to give him something he didn't deserve. And my life has been so absolutely full of things, good things, that I just, you know, if I literally, if I stopped getting good things from now to the rest of my life, I would still have tons of reasons to express my thanks and my gratitude to God. So because he has acted that way toward me, I just, I feel like I'm bound, I'm obligated to try to extend that grace, that mercy to other people. That's where I'm at, man. It's a great piece of advice. It's great. All right, guys, we appreciate the feedback. We appreciate the love. If you liked

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