REAL AF with Andy Frisella - Dinner Conversation with Sean Whalen, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO36

Episode Date: January 5, 2016

Prepare to be enlightened or offended. Andy Frisella and guest Sean Whalen attempt to reconstruct a conversation they had over dinner.  From "how can we fix what's broken in America?" to "how does passive parenting relate to failure in business and life?" these two revolutionaries cover a range of topics in this wild romp of a conversation.

What's up, guys? This is Vaughn Kohler, and you're listening to the MFCEO Project. On a crisp evening in St. Louis, Missouri, at J. Gilbert's Steakhouse, one of the MFCEO's favorite restaurants in the Gateway City, Andy Frisella and entrepreneur slash social media phenom Sean Whalen talked about everything from what it means to be a man to what's wrong with America. Today, the two attempt to reconstruct that conversation. Don't look for a clear outline, my friends. Just sit back and be offended or enlightened. That's today's podcast. Hey guys, what's up?

You're listening to the MFCEO Project. I'm Andy and I am the motherfucking CEO. I'm here with a couple good buddies of mine. You guys all know Vaughn the Impaler, aka DJ God. What's up, buddy? I thought you were going to say Sean and Tyler were your buddies. Oh, I was going to. I was just tagging along.

You've been elevated to buddy. I appreciate that. All right. Congrats. Thanks, man. I'm also here with my homeboy, Sean Whalen, straight out from Utah. I would ask you how many wives. That's like the straight up Utah joke.

That is the Utah joke. How many wives do you have? But I asked you that last time. Yeah, I don't know how many I've got. It depends on the day of the week. Yeah. So since I'm out of original jokes, Vaughn said in the intro, because I just heard him do it, that you would be either offended or enlightened. And I would argue that there's a lot of things that people should be offended about.

But it's most of the things that they're not offended about. You know, most of the things that people are offended about today are the things they shouldn't be offended about. And some of the things that they aren't offended about, they should be. Like why you let your kid go home with a fucking 17th place trophy and tell him he did a good job. You should be fucking offended about that. Right.

Like about your own parenting skills. All right. I mean, recreating the dinner conversation that we had basically came down to like, you know, how can we make America a better place based around the idea of common sense? How about making the world a better place? Because we do have international listeners. Yeah, but it still comes down to common sense. Right. No, I know. But you said

how can we make America a better place? Well, I'm going to worry about America first. Bingo. Nailed it. If you're an international listener, I appreciate you, but I live here in America. I'm going to worry about us first, and then we'll worry about that. I'm offended by that, but just FYI.

I'm offended by your beard because it's better than mine. What the fuck, dude? It's a skill. It's an art. So, like, we talk about all these things that we talked about, like, hey, we're going to go on this tour, and we're going to do this stuff, and we're going to try to know this a better place for everybody and I would argue that like the number one thing

that we need to understand as a whole is that we're all on the same fucking team you know what I mean I feel like when we look on the internet we look on on Facebook Instagram anywhere that people have a voice it's so It's so clear how much the two political sides hate each other. And it almost feels like it's two different countries. And, you know, we know, Sean, you and I, we've talked about this a million times, you know, that's the design of our system is to make people not see what's really going on so that they can get an agenda basically imposed upon them so that things work a certain way for the benefit of other people which by the way aren't us yeah um so we talked a lot of it a lot of things man but you know i i think the

the first thing that people that we wanted to look at you know would be like dude look at things from a common sense standpoint yeah you know that's what i see and that's what got me into your videos and into your following you before we ever even met was like the common sense approach that you take to relating you know truths which is what they are. You know what I mean? And we talked last night, we talked about, when we were at dinner, we talked about how most people will not stand up

and say the things they're feeling. They will not, there's a reason your page went from zero to 160,000 followers, which by the time this airs is gonna be 200,000. Basically in a very short time. there's a reason that this podcast launches and all of a sudden it's in the top five podcasts, you know, in a competitive market. Yeah. Right.

In a very competitive market. And the reason is, is because I feel like both of us say things that other people think, but won't say, which is what ultimately i feel is causing the problem that we have here in our country yeah you know what i mean dude it's like a perfect example is when the whole um i did this videos is without question the the most viewed video that i've got it's like 14 and a half million views or whatever on on facebook and i don't even know how many um tens of thousands on on youtube but it was during the Confederate flag deal, right? And everybody was pitted like either on one side or the other. All right, this Confederate flag is like historical

and it represents, you know, history or it's a racist bigoted object that we need to get rid of. And so I did a video where I was like, look, here's the deal. Black and white politicians have been walking in and out of government buildings in the South for 50 years with that flag flying, and nobody said shit. Oh, but Sean, no, no, no. Here's the deal. It hasn't made CNN. It hasn't made Fox. It hasn't been on whatever.

We've been talking about the Ebola or whatever the hell that frigging virus is called and all kinds of random crazy shit. Nobody's cared about the Confederate flag. So I do a video, and I say that. And I'm like, no one gave a shit about the Confederate flag. Well, it just so happens that a lion in Africa ends up getting shot about the Confederate flag. So I do a video and I say that. And I'm like, no one gave a shit about the Confederate flag. Well, it just so happens that a lion in Africa ends up getting shot about the same time. Cecil, poor Cecil. And everybody changes their Facebook profile to Cecil the lion and God save the lions and God bless the lions and damn the dentist and let's ruin his life and the whole thing.

And I'm just stepping back and I'm looking at this whole thing like, for real? Like seriously? Who gives a shit no none of none of you who purport to now be these huge ad you know animal advocates and all of these people that are genuinely concerned about the racist nature of a flag nobody gave a shit so i did a you know four minute video on the beach with my shirt off just freaking rolling like saying look nobody gave a shit about the confederate flag up until the time that cnn Fox, ABC, NBC told you to. And none of you gave a shit about African lions until Fox, ABC, NBC, CNN told you so. And, you know, when you talk common sense, that video has been shared over a million times.

Has, I don't even know how many, like 70 or 80,000 comments on it. And I think the reason is, and the reason that it sparked so much controversy and so much conversation is simply based off the fact that, that's what everybody was thinking but nobody had the ability or the desire or the platform to say it and no it was easier for them to just join in and say hey I'm gonna make Cecil my profile exactly it's gonna be really really simple it's gonna be really easy and let's or or not say anything at all and I think you know what what what what the commonality of the conversation that we had last night, I think really boils down to common sense.

And common sense is now becoming this foreign conversation. Right. Meaning no one wants to, that sounds weird. It's the truth. What you said earlier, like when truth becomes obscured,

like that's when shit starts getting scary. It's like, look, I'm looking out the window right now. It's a blue sky and there's some freaking clouds in there but people will like want to debate that and spin that and say well it's because of that now the truth is it's a blue sky with with white clouds but we don't want to say white we want to say this because we might get offended or we might and now all of a sudden truth becomes completely obscured so the guy who speaks the truth speaks

the common sense which is none of you gave a shit about ceasar the lion none of you gave a shit about the confederate flag all of a sudden like people just go crazy over that one they want to either you know massacre you and completely like crucify you or jump on board and say hallelujah somebody's fucking saying it right and like you know the thing it's kind of sad that we're at that point, you know, to, we're saying basic shit of truth is, is remarkable. Yeah. It's become this, it's, it's become like this phenomenal feat that when you say something, people, people literally will either jump on board or, or it, it, people literally, the society, look, I mean, stripping all of the, all the rhetoric away. It doesn't matter if you're a Republican, a Democrat, you're black, you're white, you're gay, you're straight.

It doesn't freaking matter. The reality is anything you say in this society today, it's going to offend someone. Which has been the way society has been since the beginning of time. Right, right. There's always sides to things that, you know, and that's the fucking problem, dude, is that society as a whole, all of you as a whole listening, all of us in this room are part of the problem because we've allowed this to happen. there i don't know who it was but somebody spearheaded this movement to try to take all the sharp objects all the danger all the offensive language all the offensive principles all the offensive ideals and create this society that cannot hurt anybody's feelings it can't hurt um you know it can't hurt you physically it can't hurt you physically. It can't hurt you mentally.

Everybody becomes successful. Everybody wins. And they teach us this story that when in reality, and we touched on this last time we spoke, ends up handicapping. They think they're doing the right thing. They think they're being like von what what'd you say what word did you use for this uh compassionate they they think they're trying to take they're doing their their kids a favor by teaching them all this shit they're doing everybody a favor but the reality of the world is not that right it's just not that you know so they come up with this theory

that all people are going to exist in peace all people are going to harmony everybody's going to love each other everybody's going to have a similar level of success everybody cares about these things and blah and nobody's ever going to have their feelings hurt and the reality is is that's not the way it is so what you're doing by trying to take all the sharp edges off of life for your kids is you're creating a situation where they're going to run in there with you know thinking that nothing's going to hurt them and they're going to get their fucking asses beat you know and so what's more compassionate preparing your kids and society and your employees and your students and everybody you have contact with for

reality or is it more compassionate to lie to them and let them go out and get destroyed by the earth and i think that's where we're having a problem now yeah we talked about dude since the dawn of creation literally since the dawn of creation there have been winners and there have been losers i mean a simple a simple aspect of this we talked about last night is like hunting. Look, that deer has got to die in order for me to eat. And there is a winner and there is a loser. I won that battle of life and death, which is very real. Who decided that law, by the way?

Did the government decide the law? No, that's what God created. I mean, this is the thing that's interesting. DJ God. Yeah, good job. Well played, sir. It's fascinating to me to think that people think that these rules, this has been since the dawn of creation, survival of the fittest.

There will always be and there has always been a winner, and there will always be and there has always been a loser. Plain and simple. I honor that deer for giving me the opportunity to eat and feed my family, but that deer's life came to an end so that I could eat At the end of the day, like literally teaching your kids You all tied, you're all equal, you're all the same I want my kid to know, hey, you got your asses beat

So here's what you can do to train, to practice, to get better So that now you can beat some asses Right, and is it fun to see your kid lose? No, it's not fun. I don't have fucking kids, okay? Because I'm responsible, and I didn't just have kids for the sake of having them because I needed to have them to feel validated.

Will I have kids? I hope so. Okay, but so all those people out there are going to say, Andy, do you have any kids? No, I fucking don't. Get over it. But here's the reality. This is what you should do with your kids.

Yeah. Because I'm just going to fucking be that guy. Quit fucking looking at your kids and expecting them to be this fucking all-star fucking athlete you know because this is where it fucking starts on the soccer field right my kids are the best soccer player out there how do you get the best well he's naturally born well why is the coach not playing him i don't know it's not fair well the coach do you think the coach isn't playing him because maybe you're lazy and you don't practice with your kid? Or maybe your kid just flat out sucks. Well, but most of the time this happens because parents don't put in the fucking work required for their kid to be competitive. And then they expect their kid to have an opportunity to play, which is where this whole fucking fucked up concept of everybody gets a chance came from.

No, motherfucker, you earn your chance to win. It doesn't matter if it's sports, relationships, friendships, business, whatever. You have to put in the fucking work and understand that you're going to fail and then understand that it's your responsibility to improve from that point forward. So when we have parents who let their kids, you know, like you're talking about your son wrecking his dirt bike.

Is that fun to watch your son wreck his dirt bike? No, you're like, fuck, dude, that looks like a hurt. But the reality is you're glad that he did it because you know that he's probably not going to wreck the same way again, which will ultimately make him a better rider and a safer rider. Right, right. You look at the kids who we wrap them up from a really, really, really young age in bubble wrap and hope that they never get picked on, hope they never get pushed, hope that they never fall off the monkey bars,

don't climb to the top, don't do this. I mean, at the end of the day, I got smacked around a couple times when I was a kid. I got picked on, if you will, quote, unquote. I fell off shit. I broke bones. I mean, I did dumb shit my entire life times when I was a kid. I got picked on, if you will, quote unquote. I fell off shit. I broke bones. I mean, I did dumb shit my entire life and I turned out all right. But yet we literally wrap kids. And I'm a father.

I've got three kids. And I've got the same opportunity to wrap them up in bubble wrap, make sure that they never get their feelings hurt, make sure they never fall off their dirt bike, make sure they never whatever. But the truth of the matter is, is one of my sons is not very athletic but he can ride a dirt bike like like a son of a bitch right and so i'm like push i'm like cool like go ride your dirt bike it's what he wants to do and there's no like when he plays sports he's quarter he the coach kept putting him in a quarterback okay and i kid you not i got it on video and i'm not going

to share it with anybody because it's you know i'm going to pretend that it didn't happen but it fucking happened my kid throws like every single time he gets in a quarterback he throws an interception he just lobs the ball up there and god bless him he likes to throw he likes to play whatever whatever but i go to the coach i'm like coach you need a new quarterback it's not knocking my son i'm like my son's not a good quarterback now my son's really freaking fast so i'm like how about this coach why don't you give him the ball and let him run that shit oh but we want to have everybody have an equal opportunity to play whatever. And I said, I flat out told this coach.

I'm like, he's not a good quarterback. Have you seen the fact that he's thrown every fucking interception in this game when you put him in at quarterback? Let him run the damn ball. I'm okay with that. He's okay with that. I promise you I'm not going to sue you. I won't call Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or any other freaking reverend

that's going to come over and bust your dick about like not playing my son equally. Right. Like that's the reality is I flat out told my son, he's like, I, dad, I don't like to be the quarterback. I'm like, well, to tell your coach so that you can run the ball because every time they give him the ball to run, his ass is a little freaking wheelhouse and he's in the end zone. There's no, there's no shame in that. Like I'm okay with that, but we literally have built this society. It's crazy to me. Like as a father, I mean, I watch these kids and I tell my kids flat out like all the other parents are like oh you guys played so good and it was a tie and i'm like no you got your ass kicked yeah you lost and here's what you need to do to do better here's what you like my son falls off his dirt bike he

busts his ass on his dirt bike i'm like what did you do wrong he's like i should have done this i should have i think we lost this i don't know man like if you think about it really hasn't been i have my i have my little theory but i like i'm interested here's i don't i'm not sure to be honest with you i mean you look at it and it really hasn't been an ongoing thing i mean when i was raised i mean i'm 36 years old so it hasn't been like this hundred year problem kind of a deal oh it's been the last i think within the last 10 15 years and i am not going to say that it's a republican thing or a democratic thing or it's a social media thing or it's a media thing. I don't really know, but there's something in the water. There's something going on that's literally like infecting.

It's like a freaking – it's like an infection of just sensitivity in the marketplace, in politics, in religion. And, I mean, shit, we talked about this earlier with religion. I mean, good hell almighty. You say you can't talk about any more politics, sex, religion, money. But the reality is that's the shit that actually matters in people's lives. And I think that's the reason you and I are so polarizing is because we can talk about these issues in a really direct, a really common sense way, which is why people listen and they pay attention and why our social status, if you will, is growing. But we're literally in a day and age where you can't say anything about anybody i'm the kind of dad where i'm like if my kid lips off in school

i want the teacher to freaking smack him upside the head but heaven forbid we even talk to a child like wrong you're you're they will call the domestic services and all of a sudden like everybody cowers around And the principal cowers and they fire the teacher Even though the kid deserved that shit You know what I'm saying And it's just like The idea of political correctness

First of all it's a bullshit term It's totally bullshit it doesn't exist It's just some made up freaking term That people wrap around their sensitivity Where they're like oh that's not politically correct Well what is politically correct Dude you know the thing is when it comes to the kid thing i think this all started i think the reason that this got going with the momentum that it that it has or has had

is passive parenting i feel like i feel like parents buy their kid a fucking xbox and stick their kid in front of it. They don't play catch. They don't play football. They don't fucking, you know, do the shit that like our dads and parents did, you know, growing up. You know what I mean? And, you know, I mean, that's that's as a father, I can I can completely agree with that. You know, like the case in point, case in point,

the Ferguson riots. Yeah. You remember how like when the kids came out of high school, like at the end of the day, the school got out and who was the one who started like the freaking riots? The kids,

the high school kids were throwing bricks and shit like that. I mean, they have from the helicopter. The helicopter was recording this shit, right? See, I was raised in a day and age

probably the same way you were, which I don't care about the cops. Like as a kid, I can run from the cops. What I'm terrified of is the fact that my dad would see that shit on TV and be like, that's my little, that's my boy.

And my terror would come in, would, would be in coming home. And my dad would whoop my ass. It's the same thing that just happened with that girl. She's on in, in class on her phone. Yeah.

Right. The teacher says it's a no, I mean, look, the rules are you can't have a freaking cell phone in class. Great. Everybody gets it. Everybody abides by it. In class On her phone Yeah Right The teacher says It's a no I mean look The rules are You can't have a freaking Cell phone in class Great

Everybody gets it Everybody abides by it Kids might not like it Too fucking bad Put your phone away The girl doesn't want To put her phone away The teacher asks

The teacher asks The teacher asks She doesn't do it She's just a defiant Little shit Right Well the cop comes in And says get your ass

Off the phone Whatever The kid won't So the cop picks This girl up Chucks her across the room Arrests her Whatever the hell they do Here's the deal Everybody can talk All day long About how the cop picks this girl up, chucks her across the room, arrests her, whatever the hell they do.

Here's the deal. Everybody can talk all day long about how the cop was excessive or this and that and the other. The point of the matter is you listen to the fucking cops. You listen to the cops, but here's who needs to get their ass beat.

Here's who needs to get some common sense smacked into them. Mom and dad. Mom and dad. That girl's parents need to get their asses beat for the fact that that they have raised the daughter to could be completely defiant to any authoritative figure we live in a day and age

where like literally there was a girl on facebook the other day god bless her a mom whatever whatever her her little son was like 12 years old my daughter's age and he had a beanie on that said fuck the police and she's over here explaining to Facebook world how he's got freedom and how she loves the fact that he's expressive with his views and whatever, whatever. This 12-year-old little freaking shit is wearing a beanie that says, fuck the police. He's 12 years old. It says, fuck the police. And she wants to come into the conversation and be like, well, I'm allowing him to have his liberties and whatever. You're just being a shitty ass parent.

Exactly. Plain and simple, done and done. You are being a shitty parent who is literally not teaching your. So now your kid, he's going to go to school and he's going to get told what to do. And he's going to be like, fuck you to the cop. The cop's going to beat the shit out of him, which is what the mom and dad should do. And what's going to happen? It's going to be all over the news and the mom's going to be like, oh, I can't believe they beat the shit out of them, which is what the mom and dad should do, and what's going to happen? It's going to be all over the news, and the mom's going to be like, oh, I can't believe

they beat the shit out of my son. Well, it's because you told your son and allowed your son to have the position of saying, fuck you to the police. She wants to defend him because she doesn't want to feel like a failure as a parent. Exactly. Right. Exactly. And the little kid, and here's what's interesting, is I guarantee you, I know the conversation's

happening. I guarantee you the kid's coming home with all of his little buddies and his little thing, and they're all on social media, and they're all on Facebook, and they're all whatever, whatever, TMZ and all these other sites sites and they're getting their little freaking balls all hairy and they're just you know trying to be little men and yeah they're trying to be little tough asses and mom and dad don't want to do shit about it right mom and dad don't want to stand up be like no kid this is how it works i appreciate your position at 12 years old and i appreciate the fact you're getting you some hair on your balls and you're thinking you're a little tough guy and that's cool. But until you turn 18, you're in my house and we will not say that.

We will not do that. It doesn't matter. It's like setting the fucking core values for your company. It's insane. Except for your fucking house. Yeah. You know, like, I don't understand how hard this shit is. You know, like, oh, dude, little Johnny, he's running the fucking rampage.

Well, who's allowed him to be on the fucking rampage? Yeah, exactly. I mean, so let's talk about that. You know, we talked about, you know, the passive parenting and the pussified bullshit that we've allowed our kids. Now we have these kids who for the last 10 years have been brought up that way, and we see it. Remember, we talked about this girl who came on from Northwestern on Neil Cavuto's show. She comes on. She says, well, I think we should get free tuition.

I think we should get $15 an hour minimum wage. I think we should blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, well, how should we pay for it? And she's like, like frozen, like a deer in the headlight. Well, that's a good idea. Der, the fuck. Okay. Somebody's got to pay.

You can't just keep saying, you know, Oh, well we get this, we get that, we get this. And it comes down to basic, you know, intelligence of like what these kids are being taught.

Are these kids even being taught basic shit? Here's the thing. My kid's school is banned playing tag because they don't want anybody getting hurt and they don't want whatever. This is the point. If you look at the way the core values have changed with the moms and the dads and the parents and the whole thing. My dad raised me flat out. Look, if you get into a fight, here's my only rule. You don't throw the first punch, but you make sure you throw the last i could beat the shit out of a kid and if i if my dad

found out that he punched me first or came at me first my dad would support me till the cows freaking came home but we literally live in a day and age where now where the victim come arrest you yeah the quote-unquote victim bully mentality see i I believe something completely different than what most people think. And the reality is without victims, there would be no bullies. Without having a victim mentality, there would be no bullies. But when do the quote unquote bullies show up? When the victims start crying, oh, he's a bully. He's a bully. He's a bully. Well, dude, I could say that I don't like freaking water bottles and you could like love water bottles. And now all of a sudden I'm an asshole and I'm a racist and I'm a bigot because I don't like freaking water bottles and you could like love water bottles and now all of a sudden I'm an asshole and I'm a racist and I'm a bigot

because I'm talking about freaking water bottles. Without our society and the system that we've put in place and let's pin it. It goes from the top down. It goes from Barack Obama, the president of the United States of America, all the way down to Congress, the Senate, to the leaders, to the teachers, to the parents.

We have literally created a victim mentality and a victim society where everybody is entitled to something and at the end of the day anything that said felt or done that makes you feel even remotely like uncomfortable we run and tell somebody even as adults even as adults it's insane to me man hr department was formed because of this You know 30 years ago You didn't have fucking HR Yeah Is that around the time

Where everybody realized That they could literally Get sued for anything Dude When did we start allowing People to get sued for anything See the lady Look if you're so

The reason that there is A warning label On this coffee cup That's another one of my Things on my list There's a warning On the top of this coffee cup That says

Attention It's hot. Because the lady gets a McDonald's cup of coffee, spills the shit in her lap, and sues McDonald's for the hot-ass coffee that she's been drinking her whole life. Dude, thank you, dude. This brought up another good point. Remember the list that we made last night of what the fuck is wrong with America? All right, here, put this on my list, Vaughn. This is what we're going to fucking go for. Dude, if you sue somebody in America and you lose, you have to fucking pay the cost of suing the other person.

Yeah, and public apologies and the whole deal. Right, exactly. Yeah. Like, dude, because right now, you know, there's no repercussions. You sue anybody for anything. Zero accountability. Right, exactly. So, like...

Well, and why is that? And that is simply because if you look at the quote-unquote leadership of the country the leadership of america is a lawyer in the fucking office from the top down no one's accountable no one is accountable from the top down the president's not accountable the congressman the senators the leaders the team no one's accountable to anybody it's kind of like hot potato everybody wants to pass something to somebody else why in fear of what making a a mistake? In fear of what? I mean, that's the reality is like somebody's got to be accountable for something. Parents are like, whoa, shit, I can't spank my kid because they might call the Division of Child Family Services. You're damn

right I'm going to smack my kid and I hope you show up and come to my house because my kid was lipping off and that's how it works in my place. That's just how it is. That's how I was raised. I mean, dude, if I raised my voice to my mom or talked back to my mom, heaven help my ass, My kid was lipping off And that's how it works In my place That's just how it is Yeah That's how I was raised Me too I mean dude If I raised my voice to my mom Or talked back to my mom Heaven help my ass I would get smacked

Across the freaking room By my dad My dad was here I stayed at least Two arms lengths away from him I mean he's 70 years old I'm a fucking big dude man And I stay at least

Two arms lengths away So I can talk shit That way Because I know If I'm close man He's going to pop you So like You know I've learned to adapt I don't get hit anymore You know Yeah that way because I know if I'm close, man, he's going to pop me. So like, you know, I've I've learned to adapt.

I don't get hit anymore, you know? Yeah, that's because I'm faster. But the reality of it is we came up with this cool list of how we're going to fix America because we all have these conversations, right? We have these conversations at home is like, you know, the mom and dad or, you know, you and your girlfriend or me and my wife are like, and we come up with all these ideas. We had that conversation last night. How can we literally fix what's going on?

We already started. Remove the fucking participation mentality, the everybody wins mentality. Start telling people what it means to actually compete for where they are. I just brought up my number two point, which is actually more like number six, but don't allow people to sue other people without having to cover the cost of that and you know basically make it right but when you talked about the office right you we have people in political office that are in a fucking they're in a club where they get to make the rules that don't fucking apply to them yep okay so that's point number three all right when sean and i get in office and we become presidents of the united states of america co-presidents all right

presidents see we're changing the rules already but they apply to us yeah exactly i would have no problem applying to our own fucking rules okay we why do why do they get to not obey the rules that they fucking set for us it's not right right. Okay. Well, it was another thing we talked about. Term limits. You know, fucking Vaughn, you said one six-year term. I said two two-year terms. But the point is you can't be a career politician. You know, everybody looking out for their own, you know, making laws to protect them.

Dude, you know, I hate to like turn this into a political show, but, you know, you know, fuck it's my show. We'll talk about whatever the fuck we want to talk about, you know, but it is kind of weird that you have all these political figures out there who are currently in office on payroll by us running for office that you or I or whoever may not, you know, agree with. How does that work I mean this is the thing is it's not even a political conversation of of of Republican Democrat but you know Barack Obama this is this is every single politician this is Republican

and Democrat Barack Obama to to become re-elected to run again literally traveled the country campaigning while he was still commander in chief. He was literally going coast to coast campaigning for reelection while he was commander in chief, while he was collecting the check, spending the tax dollars to fly Air Force One, to fly the security detail, to get reelected. And it's kind of like, you know, that's like paying a CEO of a company to run the company where he's out doing something else right and you're still paying him and he's not running the company and you're just hoping that someone else takes care of business this is track record should speak for itself on

the real yeah it's it's crazy you know but i mean you know we have so many things that are fucked up you know with our system that people don't even think about. And to your point of Cecil the Lion and the videos that you made regarding that, people are more enamored with stories about the Kardashians than they are understanding how bad they're getting fucked by the government. Let's create all these little issues and put all these things in the media so we can entertain these people and then we can pickpocket them on the backside. You know, let's create all these little issues and put all these things in the media so we can entertain these people and then we can like pickpocket them on the backside. Yep.

You know what I mean? And you have a government who doesn't pass laws that apply to them, okay? You have a government that allows special interest groups and lobbies to pay and provide bonuses and under the table benefits for these people that are making decisions that are supposed to be in our best interest.

Okay. Now let's be real here. Okay. I'm everybody here at the ultimate end of the day. And anybody listening who disagrees with this is a fucking liar. Okay. We worry about ourselves. Okay. We worry about ourselves. Okay. And if you're in office and you go to office with this clear heart and this clear conscious and is righteous, you

know, I'm going to do the right thing attitude. And there, I believe there's a lot of people who get into politics with that mentality. I'm going to do the right thing. I'm going to be the difference. I'm going to be the different guy. And then what happens? You know, the big pharma group comes in and says, Hey, um, I'll pay, I'll give you access to my vacation house, uh, for, you know, two weeks a year if you vote this way, or I'll, I'll figure out a way to get your kid into fucking Harvard or I'll figure out a way to slide you 2 million bucks under the table if you vote for this. And then all of a sudden it's not about America anymore. It's about what is good for my family. Right.

You know what I mean? And I don't care who you are, man. That shit, it's going to sway you to think certain ways. Well, that's why being a career politician doesn't work. Exactly. If you're worried about shit, if I don't get reelected, I might lose my $175,000 a year job. I'm going to lose this.

I'm going to lose all that stuff. So I need to figure out what to do to keep my job forget the constituency ultimately i only need a small portion of them to be able to vote for me so that i can win and typically the portion that is going to vote for me are the people that i'm going to do the special interest right right but the game is crazy the game the game becomes what's best for america what's best for America, what's best for the state that I represent, and it goes from that to what can I get away with that benefits me without getting me in a situation where I don't get reelected. Yeah. Okay?

And that's not right. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's why you need term limits. That's why there shouldn't be special interest groups. There shouldn't be lobbies that can pay people for votes. That's not right. You know what I mean?

They shouldn't be able to do those things because it removes the ability for people to be pure hearted and what's best for America. And so what happens is, is, you know, if we switch those things, if we take away their ability to take money and we take away their ability for interest groups, and we take away 20 years in fucking, you know, in government, and we make it a maximum of four years, you know, two two-year terms or something short like that. Now, if you want the speaking engagements, if you want the book sales, if you want the money and the fame and the things that come after that,

what do you have to do? You've got to actually do some shit. You've got to do some good shit for America. Yeah. You've got to be a fucking true patriot. You've got to care about some shit. You got to do some good shit for America. Yeah. You got to be a fucking true patriot. You got to care about your country. You got to care about your people and you have to make shit work in a positive way so that people could say,

Hey, fucking Sean Whalen got shit done when he was there. I'm going to read his fucking book. Okay. So it changes from this cancerous, egotistical, selfish position to a noble position in basically three or four steps that are very simple. You know, I mean.

So what are those steps? The idea, the concept that we're talking about, you and I are action takers. We're practical appliers of knowledge. How do you do this? How do we do this right now? Well, the problem, I think, I mean, obviously, the problem, here's the deal. You know, us four are the government, right?

Here, we got four people sitting at this table. None of us are gonna vote for this shit because it fucking hurts all of us. So the reality is, is you people listening have to quit being a pussy about the views that you decide not to express, which I know a lot of you guys are being pussies because you rally behind my words,

you rally behind Sean's words, but you won't fucking say shit yourself because you don't want to be called a fucking bigot or a racist or fucking some other bullshit term, selfish, materialistic, whatever. Because it's easy for these other people to throw labels on you.

But the reality is, no, I'm not any of those things. I'm speaking for fucking what's good for all of us, all the brothers and sisters of fucking America, you know, and we don't have anybody that is out there truly for the people. We just don't because the system doesn't allow that to happen. Right. And so what, you know know you asked me what i think needs to be done i you know i think people need to start by saying hey this is what i fucking believe and if you don't like it tough shit instead of being this fragile little puss that says you know you know like that i mean i see ridiculous shit on facebook lately you know racial tension you've mentioned the ferguson thing and like all the shit with the races you know I don't give a fuck if someone's black or whatever

white yellow I don't give a shit but like I saw somebody say oh I saw two black dudes leaving this and some fucking person was like you're a fucking racist they're not black they're what do you mean black people the fuck are you talking about I mean you're fucking black yeah there's no racism in that yeah that's like saying dude you're fucking you know andy you're white no actually i'm sicilian you know you're fucking racist you know what i mean like dude people are like they're so afraid to fucking say anything because they don't want to get a label slapped on them that they say nothing and what happens is the the the fucking do-gooder agenda, the politically correct

agenda, my dad calls it do-gooder, I call it idiot, but whatever you want to call it, that agenda gets pushed because of default. You know, it gets pushed because people like us won't speak up. You know what I mean? And so by default, because we let these people

whine and cry and pout, they end up getting in their way because you people like you smart people, we talked about this last night, entrepreneurs, people who are successful, they look at these problems, you know, you know why we have very little quality people in office because the people who are out there doing the shit that know how to run the shit that are smart enough, they look at these problems as they fuck that I'm going to fucking do my own shit and worry about me. So that's the question then is how does this shit change? Because we know that the congressmen, the senators, the leadership that's currently there is what's perpetuating.

And it's like the snowball. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And we're electing the same people. So you've got this lethargic society who literally elects Barack Obama. Why? He's got zero history. He's got zero pedigree. He's got zero, because it's a feel good story, right?

It's a popular thing right now. Yeah. So we put him in office. Well, they're smart. They made it that way. So the reality is, like true conversation right now, how do you change that? Because the guys like you and I who are doing shit, getting shit done, the only way that I see this changing, you want to talk real change, like how in the hell is this going to change is guys like you and I getting into office,

guys like you and I running and having the collaborative effort saying, look, I don't need 175 grand a year from being a freaking senator or a congressman. Fuck that. In fact, I'm going to give it all the Wounded Warrior Project and we're going to go down this path and we're going to eliminate all the freaking special interest all of the bonuses that we get until the day we die so on and so forth the question is is are there enough guys like you and i oh dude dude to do it and what's it going to take to get those guys to all like unilateral i see like literally getting guys like you and i across the country to be like all right this is the deal 2020 we're taking over we're literally going to take over and we rally our own troops in our own places and say,

this is like the mathematical algorithm that it's going to take for me to win my district, you to win your district, me to become a congressman, you to become a congressman. We all get in there and then we just torpedo the whole fucking thing. Well, I mean, I think that a lot of what we talk about, I think people, you know, I call them asterisk holes. You know, they're going gonna fucking poke holes and everything which they should you should be curious you should poke holes you should think okay but i think it's the popular thing to do now to discount somebody who speaks in plain language who speaks in common

sense who speaks who has tattoos or whatever who has a fucking beard and it's easy for people to say oh that guy's just a fucking redneck. Yeah. You know, he curses. He's just a redneck. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. You know, the reality is, is like, that just shows me how ignorant people really are because they judge people based upon those kind of like presumptions as opposed to like actually

listening to the words coming out of the motherfucker's mouth. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, well, people say all the the time because i'm interested in politics and i want to get involved in politics and i will very soon you know how your qualifications why are you qualified how are you qualified to become what makes somebody qualified anyway and that's exactly my point what man on this planet i don't give a shit if you're if you're republican democrat black white if you've run a multi-billion dollar empire or you're freaking running a taco truck down on the freaking side of the road, what man is qualified to put his finger on a nuclear arsenal that would blow up the world 10 times over?

None. What qualifies? Do they have a class at Harvard that I don't know about? Is there a degree at Stanford that says here's how you handle a nuclear arsenal and an army into this and that? No one. No man on this planet is qualified. But how do we get them in there? We get them in there.

And up to this point, it's been based off of the snowball continuing to roll and ultimately people just buying into the bullshit that's been fed. Why? Because from little kids, we've been coddled to go down the path of least resistance. I think people are sick of the bullshit i do too i believe it i i don't think that you would have somebody like donald trump and like i told you last night i mean i'm not a fucking trump supporter do i think the guy's more capable of running a country than hillary clinton i do yeah because he's run multiple

businesses people say oh well he went bankrupt four fucking times that's what makes him all the more qualified exactly because he came back yeah but the point is is that you know do i disagree with the way he does things yeah i do because he's purposely polarizing people you know which is the fucking typical political agenda you know the reality of the situation is i have liberal beliefs i have fucking right-wing beliefs you know but but the truth of the matter is, is I do also have the ability to decide what's more important to me. Am I more concerned with these social issues that are, you know, feel good? Or am I more concerned with what's good for my kids that are going to grow up, you know, and be a part of this country later? You know what I mean?

And people have trouble deciding those issues. In our government, the way they stay in power the way that they are is by they force the division to happen so that we can't even have conversations. I mean, dude, try to have a conversation. I run into it all the time because people always put me as a Republican. I'm not a fucking Republican. I'm fiscally conservative. I just, I'm physically conservative.

You know, I understand social issues. I understand what people, you know, think rights and wrong. And I think people have the, the right to live their life socially the way they want to live. I'm not fucking worried about that.

Yeah. You know, so you get these arguments from these fucking liberals that attack Republican quarter. And I'm not even fucking Republican, but they attack my position because they're so used to being in that fucking fight mindset. When in reality, we're all Americans. You know what I mean?

Black people, white people, yellow people. You know what I mean? The Indians, everybody here, we're all fucking American. You know what? When are we going to stop fucking being against each other so that these other people can impose their will on us? Because I think everybody's tired of the left or the right. You know, the reason Donald Trump's even getting consideration is because there is something about him that's fresh. You know, like, dude, he says what it is.

And it's like, he just says the common sense shit. People are like, fuck, finally. But like, what if you really said the common sense shit like because he only does a little bit yeah you know what i mean you're gonna see people from social media i firmly believe you're gonna see a president of the united states elected from social media platform in the next 15 years without question yeah without question in 2020 it's gonna happen in 2020 right because you could say there you go there you go, because you could say shit, you could say shit on social media and it resonates with people in an informal way,

whereas if you said the same shit on a podium in front of a news camera, you would get fucking slaughtered. You know what I mean? Yeah, because they'll spin it and they'll this and they'll that. Right, right. We're moving into an age, in my opinion, and this is like Gary Vaynerchuk talks about

the social media and the application they're on and stuff like that. But I think we're moving politically. We've literally internally self-sabotaged in the sense that the system that we have right now from our education with our kids all the way up to our elected officials in Washington, it's so fractured and it's so broken that literally no one wants the same thing that we have anymore, but there are no other options. There is no clear path. And so I firmly believe it's the least of it's the path of least resistance. It's like, like just picking the, you know, the, the, the lesser of two evils kind of a deal. Right. I believe that within the next, by 2016 it won't happen because there really isn't anybody that's been able to step up

and articulate and orate how exactly to make the changes. But I believe that the 2020 election will be a tipping point. Malcolm Gladwell talked about it in his book, Tipping Point, about how this works. And I believe that all of our society

is moving in that direction where we truly believe that society is dumb and lethargic and asleep and whatever whatever but at the end of the day no one is showing a clear path of how to change and how to create what you and i've talked about revolution and i don't think it is and and i don't think it is that the society is dumb i think society i think people assume they're dumb because we like we said we've gotten to a point in time where you can't say anything without being blasted right you know what i mean so that's the perception so you have a lot of smart people out there that won't speak up and they have common sense beliefs right and it's and and people assume that their silence is that

they're dumb it's not that they're dumb it's that they don't want to deal with arguing with morons right you know what i mean and well and something you got you and i have talked about is is we kind of envisioned you know what brought you and i together in this conversation and and social platforms and stuff is that you're thinking you're an island you know i'm thinking that i'm an island like i'm the only guy out there talking the way that i'm talking saying what i'm saying you're like you've told me this i'm the only guy out there and the way that I'm talking, saying what I'm saying. You're like, you've told me this, I'm the only guy out there. And all of a sudden you resonate with another message. And I feel like that's going to continue to happen. The more social media becomes free, if you will, to people opening up and becoming real and raw and authentic, you're going to see

that. And you're going to see a collaboration of people that, I mean, even with like the tea party, the tea party is not even what, like seven years old, eight years old? The Tea Party is not even that old. And they're already a massive contender, if you will, in the political sphere. They did that without Facebook per se. So we're moving into an age where when you can get a million people to march on Washington, the way the Million Man March did and whether or not there were a million people there, it's, you know, whatever. Called the Million Man March. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Whether there was 600 800 whatever you're moving into an age where literally people have gotten so

sick and tired of the way that it is and are so ready for something different that as soon as somebody comes to the table through the social platforms through the facebooks with a real through the parish group and says look this is a viable option this isn't some pie in the sky bullshit deal but this is a viable plan this is what you need to do to do it. You're going to see radical, radical revolution in America. I know from a business owner, I mean, I know that most people are unaware of what the government really does to the economy. You know what I mean? They're unaware. Like, you know, we were talking about earlier. If I have one unit of product and I want to sell, let's say I've got, you know, one pallet of product and it would cost me $1,000.

And I sell that pallet of product for $2,000. You know, people are like, oh, you made $1,000. Well, no, I didn't make $1,000, okay? Because, first of all, I've got to pay all my expenses. I've got to pay the cost of goods. And if I want to grow my business, I've got to spend at least 50% to do that. And then what happens is the government comes in and for you to grow, they tax you on the reinvestment money

that you put back into your product. So what happens is you're taxed there. And then when I sell that product, if I want to take a paycheck, I get taxed there. All right, well, if you really want small business to thrive and you want to employ people and you want the, the, the economy to grow and become this massive,

you know, productive machine that it could be, why are you doing that? Why are you taxing people to reinvest in their, in their product? Why, why is, how is that the right thing?

So what's your, what's your solution for that? Cause I have an idea. I have a, they need to remove that fucking tax, and then what they need to do is instead of taxing businesses there, what they need to do is they need to take the tax that they don't enforce on the Internet and make it enforceable on the Internet because in all these companies,

and there's going to be a lot of people who are listening right now, I'm not going to pay a tax on the Internet. Well, realize what you're talking about is you're talking about giving a competitive advantage to a internet company which employs up to 90 percent less people than brick and mortar companies in the united states so when you give them a competitive advantage and they employ less people guess what there's less fucking jobs for you okay there's people don't think like this and what they think is like oh dude free shit on the internet no taxes is awesome but but then it costs them their job they don't think about it you know what i mean so i mean there's just all these things you got these states going broke they're

not collecting internet tax well you know 50 of the fucking tax they were collecting 15 years ago is now on the internet that they're not collecting and they wonder why they're fucking broke you know it's ridiculous man there's just tons and tons and tons of things that are just backwards that make no fucking sense that they allow to happen you simplify it i mean this is where you know you and i've talked and we'll do another podcast on this on like actual practical applications of like how to solve this shit really simple deal flat tax plain and simple seven and a half percent corporate personal done and done oh but everybody oh the rich and the poor and we're gonna get right back to that conversation fuck it everybody across the board done and done

pay seven and a half percent business personal doesn't freaking matter if you're a billionaire if you're working at mcdonald's it helps everybody. Period. Done and done. There are no more loopholes. There are no more of this. It's just a flat tax. Like the fucking people, when the people talk about, you know, the rich, they're fucking talking, like when people, the average person hears the media talk about the rich, okay, and the big businesses, they think me. You know, we're a fucking small to medium-sized business.

They don't realize that there's multi-billion dollar corporations out there that pay zero fucking tax. Because they get through all these loopholes because of how many people they employ. We have a 13,000-page tax code. 14,000, whatever the hell it is. I've got a really simple solution. A one-page tax code that says 7.5%. You pay, you pay you pay done and done plain and simple i mean that's the simplification of of of literally these complex issues that have become so crazy that even our own leaders don't

even understand it let's simplify shit let's just create a really really simple model like like what you talked about the whole thing with insurance i mean why is insurance going up so high why is malpractice insurance going up so high why is it so bad for doctors and for everybody else well because of the lawsuit the frivolous lawsuit bullshit so you've got a really simple solution for that cool you file a lawsuit and lose you got to pay for that shit that's going to deter you from filing a frivolous lawsuit about how you spilled coffee on your balls and you want to sue mcdonald's because of it countries that's the way it is yeah you don't see that shit a lot of other countries and then on top of that like i a lot of other countries, that's the way it is. Yeah. You don't see that shit a lot of other countries.

And then on top of that, like I said, you take away the laws that make the laws apply to everybody. You make the fucking terms short so they have to fucking have our best interest in mind. Dude, you're talking about simple shit. It's really, really simple. Yes. Like I've said this in it. But dude, what they try to do is they'll say, oh, Sean, that doesn't fucking work because

it does work. Sean, that doesn't fucking work because— It does work. Sean, that doesn't work, you know, and they'll paint this fucking complicated picture that the average Joe, like, looks at and says, man, you know, he's got a good point. That doesn't look like it worked, even though I don't know what the fuck he just wrote there, but it looks complicated, so it must be right. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's the same thing. So this is how you dumbify everything. I call it dumbifying it, whatever.

Call it whatever you want. Simplifying, whatever. But same thing with national security. This is like where me getting involved in politics, I literally believe that if you can't describe it or paint it out on a whiteboard, it shouldn't be possible. So people ask you, what's your national security? What should we do about national security?

We talked about this. Refugees and the whole thing. You literally get on a whiteboard, right? You draw out a map of America. Literally take a Sharpie, a marker, and just draw out the outline of America. National security, our foreign policy, you put a bunch of arrows pointing to America and say, this is what I am concerned about. This is what I am here to protect.

This is what I am here to serve. As soon as everybody inside of this outline, which is the outline of America, is fed, employed, working, and our economy is actually balanced. We will then take the distribution, the dividend, if you will, and invest in other places and do other things. Our goal is to protect Americans, and yet we're sending troops and missiles and tanks and shit. I mean, dude, ISIS right now was rolling around 2,000 tanks that they got from a base in Iraq. That we left there. That we fucking left there. We left them there left them how smart tell me the common sense tell me how that made common sense to anybody inside of washington hey man i want a tank leave one of those yeah i

want one give me one you know what i'm saying you know and this is where like the polarization of the conversation comes up and this is where you lose people when you say radical thought radical action radical this what do when people hear that they automatically assume that it's kind of we're gonna all have to get our fucking shit and get guns and go fucking start no that's not what you need to do right this is a so we're talking about social revolution we're talking about speaking up for what you think is right educating yourself on what you think is right and moving forward those ideas versus just swallowing the pills that these people give you about speaking up for what you think is right, educating yourself on what you think is right, and moving forward those ideas versus just swallowing the pills that these people give you. We're not talking about crazy shit,

like, hey, let's get a fucking tank and go. No, we're talking about- That would be kind of fun, though. I mean, yeah. I mean, like, dude, I'm all for riding a tank, blows some shit up. But that's not what we're talking about. I mean, does shit sometimes come to that

in the history of earth? Absolutely. But we're trying to avoid that by getting you guys to understand like, Hey, just because you have a viewpoint on something doesn't mean you can't say it or believe in it. And like, dude, my, my thought, you know, process on this whole conversation is that I just want people to feel more comfortable speaking what they believe, you know, what they stand up for, what they think is right. Even if it's not what you and I agree with, because I mean, I'm sure there's things we don't agree on, you know, but at least be able to have a conversation without it being this fucking thing where it's like,

oh, you're a religious fucking, you persecutor. Yeah. You're, you're a fucking racist. You're this, you're that dude you know how about we start looking at things for how they fucking are okay let's look at the fucking facts of things and let's like realize that all right you know you're black i'm white it's fucking ebony and ivory we got to go together like perfect harmony. You know, let's fucking realize that we're on the same fucking team and move forward together. Yeah. As opposed to just always trying to make it this issue of like, you know, I'm not just saying the race thing, but whatever it is, you know, like, oh, you're offending me with your fucking beard because I don't like beards. Well, that's the thing, though, is, you know, that this will never that'll never happen.

There will always be division. There will always be that way. Because there's people that profit from that. Exactly. Right. And at the end of the day, like, I can sit down. Look at Jesse James and fucking Al Sharpton. They profit off of fucking people. Jesse Jackson.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I said. Jesse James is a cool dude. He rides motorcycles. Yeah, he's badass. He should be a president. Have you seen his 1911s he's making? Dude, they're sick.

They're so dope. Yeah. So my good buddy, you know Austin Weiss? Uh weiss austin weiss is a good buddy of mine he's best friends with jesse james but they're they're i'm trying to get one of those 19 off the topic i need one anyway like you know jesse send us some guns bro yeah dude that's what i'm saying we'll rep we'll rep him yeah i bet he dude he's for the common sense part that's the thing man is is you will never you're never going to eliminate and this is where let's take this thing full fucking circle let's take this thing full circle back to the original conversation about the children and the kids and the playground and getting your ass whooped and this and that and the other

like taking the entire thing full circle all the way back to where we are right now which is no one is ever going to be happy no one is ever there will always be somebody that's on the quote-unquote losing end of the stick. A deer will always have to go down in order for me to put food on my table. You will always have to have, in a two-match game, you will always have a winner and a loser. We just flat-out scored more points than you. That's cool.

We're a losing team. Go figure out how to become better to win. It's the same thing here. America, if you want to create the change, get your your ass off the couch stop listening to the rubbish and the bullshit that you've been fed and and and taking the pills that you've been given for the last 50 years and realize that it's possible to do but you cannot sit around and wait for someone else to do it you're going to have to get involved with the quote revolution right because what we're doing right now the conversation we're having is crazy it's out there it's like oh dude that's insane whatever whatever this is how

it should be it's not that's the thing this what if this is the normal conversation what if this is the norm what if this is how it should be and yet everything else is freaking insanity see i don't i can't comprehend thinking another way yeah me either you know what i mean like i'm i'm sitting here having this conversation and my my thing isn't like we're being weird it's like what the fuck is wrong with everybody else wants to explain and slam down a freaking 13 000 page tax code and you're like bro you're confusing me why don't we just talk about seven and a half percent unless you unless you can explain it to me in one page or less because my plan is seven and a half percent and it's really freaking simple yeah like explain to me how this thirteen thousand pages make sense. It doesn't make so it's all geared to fucking guide the people who were

paying the lobbyists Through the tax good. I'm telling you fucking taxes. I'm telling you the revolution is coming man Somebody somebody is going to figure out how to take this device right here that you and I'm you know Yeah, promote our business all of our lives. Someone is going to take these devices, which is how the entire world is getting their news, their information, communicating with mom and grandma, posting all their pictures of their new frigging puppy on Facebook or whatever. This is the revolution. This is what's going to happen is someone will orate the message that you and I are talking about, put it out there in a reasonable, practical

way. And people are going to be like, that actually makes sense. Well, they should sense well they should yeah they're gonna be like why isn't it that way so so the so when the guy who comes in with the 13,000 page tax code he's gonna be now like no one's been able to do this yet like this is the cool part this is the stuff that gets me excited this is the sexy shit about politics is now all of a sudden the guy trying to explain the 13,000 page tax code he's like the fuck did he just say like this sounds really really simple this will work right why are you so So explain to me foreign policy. There's an outline of America.

Like, I live in America. I want to protect America and keep America safe and fed and whatever, whatever. Explain to me why we need to spend X amount of billions of dollars every year overseas when this outline right here is not taken care of. Like, that's common sense shit. Dude, think about this, though.'s common sense shit dude think about this though this is really cool to think about because the reason this hasn't happened before is the same reason that businesses used to be able to produce any product they wanted it didn't

matter if it was good or not and spend millions of dollars advertising it and the product would sell okay the reason the politics has gotten the way that it's gotten is because there is there has been no voice for us right you know they've owned the media okay they could go to five people in america and say we want you to put this message out right and we'll give you these special benefits and that's what they fucking and they make you the normal common sense speaker look like a freaking moron they spin you in the media and then all of a sudden you're tanked and you're done. Right. And they can't do that anymore

because now we all have a voice. And so what, they could try to do that, but the reality is it just stirs up the hornet's nest. Right. You know, and so just like big companies

can't put out a product, you know, they can't put out a pair of sunglasses that the first time you wear them they break because guess what? It'll be all over

the fucking internet tomorrow. Right. Like, like hey don't buy these sunglasses because they're shit they're not going to be able to keep pushing that agenda because we all have a voice now but i think the what i'm trying to bring is a realization of that voice like hey guys you listening right now you have a voice you know what i mean and just because they tell you have to voice. You know what I mean? And just because they tell you you have to pick Democrat or Republican, that's going to change. And the earlier that you get involved in creating a better situation now,

the more influence you're going to have later. Well, doing what you and I are doing, I feel like it's the grassroots, what real true grassroots is, and it's speaking things and orating them clearly, efficiently, effectively. We've been all over the board, obviously, talking here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the reality is... This is dinner talk, man. Yeah, man. It's dinner conversation. And this is the shit that actually people care about. This is the stuff that people like. It actually affects their lives, and yet no one has been able to orate it simply.

But I think what you and I are doing and being as exposing as we are and sharing as authentically and passionately what i'm seeing in the marketplace and what i'm seeing just just through social media and everything else is people are there's more and more people that are speaking up saying hell yeah dude that makes freaking sense i like that and at the end of the day it's going to take leaders it's going to take people that are willing to go out and lead the freaking troops but at the end of the day like i want people to realize that they're not an island no like the conversation you and i are having right now there's a lot of people it's the bobblehead theory people

are like shaking their head like yeah yeah yeah that makes sense and at the end of the day once the freaking people that are nodding their head saying amen now have a plat a path and a plan and someone to follow and something that actually makes sense dude that's when shit's gonna start changing dude and the other thing is is people have to start understanding that they have to let go of their fucking passionate, the R or the D. You need to identify yourself that way as a Republican or Democrat. And your passion for that causes you not like allow for true conversation. Like if I've got somebody, you know,

because I always get into with typically Democrat people because they're so passionate and I say something and then they come back and they say, Wendy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to attack you. You know, I'm just trying to pose a realistic solution. And I think us as Americans would realize that we're not the enemy

of each other right that we're just being tricked into thinking that way and to have a realistic conversation about you know what we really need to do for the betterment of the next 100 or 200 or 300 years in america this is a crucial time is, man. We're seeing things that we've never seen before. The, you know, the government is pushing the limits of what I believe is moral and reality. Um, and we're losing a lot of things in our, in our, in our country. And, you know, do we have the next generation of kids who are from the ages of 12 to 18 years old right now that understand what it would take to go win a fucking war against another country? Because here's the reality, guys. Some other country, I'm not going to name any names, but if they want to come bomb the United States, they're not bombing fucking white neighborhoods or black neighborhoods only or Chinese neighborhoods only.

Guess what they're bombing? They're bombing fucking America So instead of fucking fighting ourselves and being like hey you motherfuckers you don't like me cuz I'm poor You don't like me cuz I'm rich you don't like me cuz I'm black or this or that or whatever How about we realize that like all that shit is really irrelevant and what we need to think about is the next 20-year-old kids from 20 to fucking 15 or 12 years old or have we raised them to go out and protect the country have we i don't i don't know that we have i think we're getting into a scary time man and this isn't taking nothing away from the young kids because i know there's always going

to be younger kids with massive fucking heart and massive american pride that want to go out and and and do what needs to be done but here's the thing man and i agree with you we don't need to be everywhere else we need to worry about here yep you know what i mean and fuck man it's not that complicated it's really not that's why i like when the when the people criticize you know i get criticism for saying that we shouldn't take these syrians dude why is that our responsibility you know, I get criticism for saying that we shouldn't take these Syrians. Dude, why is that our responsibility? You know what I mean? We have fucking how many people here that we need to take care of? I mean, it's just like the map you said, all the arrows pointing in.

Let's solve our problems so then we can solve their problems. I really do feel for the other countries. But you know how the other countries got the way that they are? The same way we're getting the way that we are. By not saying shit shit not speaking up not not being afraid you know and that's bad news for us man you guys who are listening to this i mean the fact that you're even listening to this podcast you know shows that you think a different way than most people but you know we're in fucking trouble i believe that you know and i

believe that for the next 20 years if we don't get shit turned around and we can start it by keeping score fucking soccer games again which is the funniest thing about it you know what I mean

it's very simple shit yeah I think personal responsibility and you touched on it Sean parenthood

I mean it's all connected all of it I don't know man I don't have all the answers and but i mean i know that we've got a fucked up deal right now you don't have to have all the answers you just got to actually create some some movement in a different direction man that's it that's where it starts is creating some sort of different movement in a different direction that's that's not the same dude i think most people are just happy with like their life they're like because they've been washed they've been brought up to be a cog

you know and they're like fuck it man i'm making my you know my decent living i got a house i got a car you know they're a mortgage up to their eyeballs with all their shit when and they're under the illusion they have all the shit when in reality they don't have anything right you know what i mean they're worth their whole lives to have nothing, die with nothing, be poor. And it wasn't always that way, man. And not only that, on top of it, you've got the media villainizing success as if it's fucking evil. I've always believed it's my obligation to do the best that I can. Isn't that the way we're supposed to do shit?

Yeah. Like you're supposed to be the best that you could be I don't know It's good enough for the army, right? That's how it should be Yeah That's how it should be I don't know Guys, check out the website

TheMFCEO.com Not exactly sure which page this will be on yet But you'll find it If you go to the website Sean, what's your social media connections? You can find me on Facebook at facebook.com forward slash swalen or you can go to

lions not sheep or seanwhalen.com Well, Sean, thanks for joining us again. Appreciate it. That was all over the place. Lively and energetic conversation. I like this. I'm hungry. We actually should have had dinner here because I'm freaking hungry. Dude, I like

the even though this one was politically based, I'm hungry. I'm hungry. Like we actually should have had dinner here cause I'm freaking hungry. Like, dude, I like, uh, I like the, I mean, even though this one was politically based, I like the idea of having like a dinner conversation format once in a while. You know what I mean? Not like we're not sitting here going off of a straight up list of shit to talk about. You know,

I, I dig that. I think we should do it more often. Maybe not just about, you know, not just about politics, but just shit. Everything.

Life. Right. Stuff that actually matters to people. Right. Yeah. Guys, thanks for listening so much, and we will catch you next time. All I do is work, work, work. Never run the sidelines, I only hustle.

I'll never take a day off, I only work, work, work.