REAL AF with Andy Frisella - The Morality of Money, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO47

Episode Date: February 16, 2016

Returning to a favorite topic, Andy Frisella shares his thoughts on how character, conduct, and making cold hard cash are related. Are rich people evil?  Is it noble to be poor? Can money be a legitimate driving motivation in life? The MFCEO answers these questions and more.

All I do is work, work, work Never run the sidelines, I only hustle I'll never take a day off, I only work, work, work I don't mess around, kid, I only care Nobody ever sees me All I do is work, all I do is work All I do is work, all I do is work Hey guys, what's up?

You're listening to the MFCEO Project I'm Andy, I'm your host, and I am the motherfucking CEO. I'm here with my co-host, Vaughn Kohler, the pastor of disaster. What's up, my brother? You're still sounding like DJ Khaled. I know, man. My voice is, it's fighting me, dude. It is. I'm doing a lot of speaking right now. I'm busy with my companies right now. It's like, you know, my voice is getting in shape. I wonder if you have vocal nodules.

Do you know what that is? Yeah, you know, I just think it's just worn out, man. I'm talking, you know, seven, eight, nine hours a day. Yeah. So it's just, you know, it comes with the territory. It does. It's a good sign. It says your vocal cords are in demand.

Yeah, man. It could be worse. Yeah. So, yeah, man. I don't really have a question of the day this time. I've got more of a thought of the day. I read something on the internet last night And it just pissed me off I read it from a person

And I'm not going to say his name Because I don't want to just blatantly call him out But somebody who I know personally Who's like trying to become a speaker And a motivational type speaker And the post was basically geared towards, um, criticizing people who look at success as, you know, uh, material things like as money or as cars or a big house or this or that or whatever. And saying, you know, that that's not success and blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah. It was just very, very, very critical of anybody who desires anything that's material. And, you know, it really irritated the shit out of me because I feel like that's the mentality that is being taught now. That's the cool thing that's being taught now. That's the cool thing that's being shown now. And I felt like it was something that, you know, if a 15 or 16 or 17 year old kid reads, they're going to say, well, you know, fuck dude.

I guess it's bad for me to want certain things or want this or that. And, you know, I just wanted to come out and I did a snap story on this and a periscope on this too. You know, there is nothing wrong with wanting material things. There's nothing wrong with having a big bank account. There's nothing wrong with driving a nice car.

And what really bothers me about people that try to villainize this success, and I agree, that is not quote unquote success. That's financial success. Success is a all encompassing moving target of development and, um, you know, self-actual actualization, uh, the realization of your true potential. That's a moving target. No one has ever gotten to a physical place in life that is quote-unquote success. You see what I'm saying? It is just an all-encompassing, moving place that you're trying to get to.

And when people try to define it as it's not this, it's not that, And especially whenever they attack the material type situations, it really fucking irritates me because I feel like that makes people feel bad for wanting the things that they want. And there's nothing wrong with wanting those things, you know and then what these people do too is they villainize you for wanting those things and then try to attach like there's moral in uh you know moral issues with you you know that they don't have like this particular person was like you know i would rather speak to 25 people than 2500 because i can make a bigger impact. Oh, can you? Can you? Can you make a bigger impact?

You know, I would rather take walks with my grandpa than I would, you know, to make blah, blah, blah. Well, what makes you think that people that fucking make money don't take walks with their grandpa? You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And it irritated me that somebody who has portrayed themselves as a success guru is out there teaching people that, you know, it's not okay to desire whatever it is they fucking desire. Dude, I'm not going to tell you what your goals are and you're not going to tell me what my goals are. But I know for fucking sure that one thing is for real sure. You can't pour anything out of an empty cup, you know, and if you don't take care of yourself and you don't have money in the bank and you don't have the resources yourself, how the fuck are you going to take care of anybody? You know what I

mean? Right. And I get what people try to do. You know, they try to like, they're trying to send the message of, it's not all about money. You know, I get that. It's not all about money you know i get that it's not all about money but you need to be very careful about how you relay that information because a lot of people just try to attach these these evil characteristics of people to that and when in reality to you 16 17 18 year old guys and girls listening those people are usually making excuses for the lack of progress that they have had so far. So instead of saying, yeah, I want to do this, this and this, it's easier for them to say, you know what? I'm right where I want to be. I'm doing everything I want to do and it's safe and it's cozy and it's something that makes them feel good,

but it's not the fucking truth. And I felt like it was irresponsible for that message to be put out from someone who's trying to send those messages. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah. My take on this is that I think people make a huge illogical leap all the time. They look at the people in the world who are rich and abuse that and use it to pull people down, the Stan Kroenkes of the world, the corrupted capitalists of the world, and they say, oh, I don't want to be that guy, so I'm going to be the exact opposite. Instead of saying, well, that guy has a ton of money

and uses it for evil. There's evil fucking people that are poor and there's evil people that are rich. Right. It's not a marriage. You know what I'm saying? Money does not make you have certain characteristics. Your character has that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Money does not make you have certain characteristics. Your character has that.

Right. You know what I mean? So instead of wanting to be the opposite of that guy, they should say, I also want to be rich and use it for good. Exactly. I had the same conversation with a kid on Instagram last night going back and forth. Because he wrote, and this is like, I want to do a whole podcast on this like the morality of money because let's be fucking real okay you're not making money you're you right now listening to this are not making money unless you're providing something of value that's solving a fucking problem that people have which in case you if you are making

money and you're not doing that it it's going to be short lived. Okay. So the only way to make sustainable longterm income is to do things that are actually morally correct by solving people's problems, helping them find solutions, offering things that help people do the fucking shit they want to do. You follow me? Absolutely. So when people try to attach this immoral, greedy, materialistic, selfish labels on people that have money, it really bothers me because the reality of making money is actually in contrast to those characteristics. You see what I'm saying? So how the fuck do you come up with these, like, where does this come from? You know what I mean?

Like it comes from these stereotypes and, and, and everybody's always got an excuse, right? Everybody always has an excuse as to why they aren't where they want to be. And a lot of people can't admit that they aren't where they want to be because they're prideful. You know what I mean? And they say, you know, instead of saying, Hey, I want, I'm not where I want to be. You know, I should have made these decisions when I was younger and I'm willing to make these different decisions now so that I can get where I want to be in 10 years from now. Okay. Instead of doing that and being a fucking man and taking responsibility for your life. Instead, they sit down and like I say, on the bar stool on Tuesday afternoon and talk about how so-and-so fucked them and this opportunity fucked them and this person screwed them over and on and on and on and on and on about the world conspiring against them

to be an average person. And, and then they turn around, right? And they tell you that they love being average. And I I'm happy where I'm at and I'm happy driving a fucking regular car and living in a regular house and, and working a regular job and working my 40 hours. I'm happy. And that's what you should be too. But they forgot they were just bitching about how the world fucked them over so if the world fucked you over but you're happy where you are it can't be both ways which one is it you see what i mean so it's funny because these people these young young the reason i want to hit this is because young people are so that the society is so in general right now for the last 10 years against people being financially successful that it's like become uncool. Right.

You know what I mean? Right. And you listening, you're 17, 18, 19, 20 years old. You've been raised in an era that is not America. Okay? America has always been what? Chase the what? American dream.

Right. People fucking immigrate here from all over the world so that they can have the opportunities that these motherfuckers out here in delusional fucking space are telling people isn't even cool right no dude you know what's cool being cool is going out fulfilling your potential going out and making enough money to help your charity causes going out and having enough money to help your family going out having enough money to do the things that you want to do to go on vacations to enjoy your life to see things you know maybe you don't like fucking lamborghinis that's fine that doesn't that doesn't matter but for somebody that does that's okay too you know and the point is that nobody should be telling somebody that this goal or that goal or this goal is immoral or wrong

because we all have different goals but the word goals all represents the same space that we're trying to get to, right? So like your goals are different, and we had this discussion. Your goals are different than mine, okay? But the target of my goal is still the same for both of us. You see what I'm saying? We're trying to hit that target.

Those principles are going to be in play, and for you to get where you want to go and for me to get where i want to go we're going to have to do the same shit right you know what i mean right and i get so upset and irritated and frustrated with the way the society fucks with people's minds you know that like dude if you post a picture of a fucking lamborghini you know like let's say a kid, he's 17 years old and he says, oh, fuck, dude, I want to drive in a Lamborghini because, you know, fucking Andy's driving one. That's badass. And he posts a picture. I'm going to have this one day.

And I've seen this. This has happened. Post a picture, tags me in it. The fucking three first comments are like they're either A, yeah, right, good luck, or B, it's like why the fuck would you want that? That's fucking douchebag, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Realize the reason people attack those goals is because they aren't their goals. And they automatically,

they're not thinking past their viewpoint. And I want you listening right now to understand, I don't care if your goal is to make a trillion fucking dollars and cash it all in and swim naked in it the rest of your fucking life. If that's what you want to do, fucking do it. Because what it does is that there's other people out there that will either be inspired by it or they'll hate it. And even the people who hate it will benefit because they'll say this. Well, you know what?

I'm going to go out and make a bunch of fucking money and show this motherfucker how to do it right. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So either way, good comes of it. You know, success is a good thing. Success is a great thing. And dude, people who villainize it

and talk shit and say this fucking moonies and their money isn't everything but it's fucking important you know what i'm saying yeah could you use an extra fucking million dollars dude i could i could do a lot of good with it so let me throw this out there because you obviously feel very passionate about it you have a lot to say about it um god is my witness we did not plan this but you know what let's just let's roll with it let fly. This will be our topic. Yeah. And so I'm going to play my role here, and I'm going to back us up a little bit. Let's just start basic presuppositions because, of course, we have the asterisk holes out there. Yeah.

So basic presuppositions, you can just see me let yes and no answers, okay? Will money make you happy? No. Okay. Is money the most important thing in life? No. Are materialistic things really what life is all about? No, but they're still cool. They are still cool. Yeah. Okay. Is money the most important thing in life? No. Are materialistic things really what life is all about? No, but they're still cool.

They are still cool. Yeah. Okay. So with that said, I want to back up because I love your connection to popular culture in America right now and how it's not cool to make money. It's not cool to want to be materially successful. How did that happen? Fuck if I know, man. 17th place trophies for little kids in T-ball. That's where it started.

It's been a 20-year movement. Right. So let me ask you this, because true or false, do you think this is the case? I think in America, there is this idea, okay. Well, I mean, let's talk. I mean, I don't want to get too into politics, but let's talk about the rise of Bernie Sanders, okay? I don't know how much you know about him, but his—

Not much. I mean, I've seen the jokes, and, you know, look, man, you know— Well, let me throw this out there. That shit is so far out. He's so far away from what I fucking even would— Like, I can't— Dude, I cannot even pay attention to people like that because they make me angry.

Right. Well, what's interesting about his followers, and they're resonating. There's a pretty large group of people that are resonating with him. I mean, he wants to throw things. He wants a lot of giveaways, a lot of stuff for free, increased government spending, increased government programs, all that stuff. But ultimately, what it comes down to is my perception of his followers is they think he's a kind, compassionate guy. Of course.

And my thing is what is your whole take on this idea that to be kind and compassionate, you don't care about money, you throw things at people. But because, you know, and again, I want to be clear, our podcast, and I know you feel about this, we're not 100% endorsing Donald Trump. No. But the knock on Trump by people that hate him is that he doesn't care about anybody. He's Mr. Money. All right, all right, all right.

So what are your thoughts on that? Let's look at this from a fucking realistic standpoint. Okay, look, I'm not going to sit here and fucking say, oh, Donald Trump, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's got his faults. I think out of all the shit candidates that we have, he's the best one. Okay, that's what I'm saying.

It's not because he's Republican or anything. The motherfucker knows how to run a business. Okay, and we're in a situation where that's what we fucking need. All right? And all you guys who are going to write in and fucking tell me i'm wrong whatever i don't really give a fuck so save your breath okay i make my own decisions here's the reality of that situation andy you know it's not about how much money you give away it's about the time it's about the time you know it's not about the fucking five hundred thousand dollars that you give to it's about the time it's about the time you know it's not about the fucking

five hundred thousand dollars that you give to your high school it's about the time you know think about going out there and putting your hands in the dirt and actually doing the okay i get that it's fucking it's it's romantic right it's also a false choice listen it's a romantic idea that people fucking say when they don't have any money and i love you guys who are giving even when you don't have the money to give because i that's what you should do and i agree with that and i love you for that a lot of people are not going to hear what you just said just now what that you love the the guys those of you who do not have a lot of money i love the fact that you give your time. They're going to watch right over that

and miss the fact that you said that. If you're that fucking stupid and you can't get that, then that's not my problem. But here's the thing. Everybody has something to give, right? But when we get down to it, and we look at what really has an impact,

let's look at Bernie Sanders, who I know fucking nothing about, by the way. So this fact, this little, what I'm about to say, could be wrong, but I'm assuming, all right? I'm assuming that Bernie Sanders does not give or have access to the sort of money that Donald Trump has. True or false?

I think that's true. Because I read somewhere that he was actually very, very middle class class that may be true yeah i i mean i think it's very fair to say he does not have as much money as the donald no no i i read he was middle class yeah he's a middle class dude i could be wrong if i am wrong i'll gladly say i was wrong but i i did read that somewhere um and i'm not an expert on b Sanders by any means. I think the guy's mentally fucking ridiculous. Okay? And

I'm not really interested in learning about him at all because it's so far outside of what I think. But let's take these two guys. Let's just say, Bernie is a middle class dude donald trump is donald trump all right who has helped more people in their life well depends on how you answer that question right maybe bernie sanders goes down to his local food shelter every thanksgiving and every

christmas and feeds the homeless. A noble thing to do. The right thing to do. We do it here. A lot of the guys here at First Form, our company, donate tons and tons and tons of time to charitable efforts. And, dude, it's a great thing, right? Just adopted a highway. Yeah, we had Sean Montgomery, a good friend of our company,

just adopted a highway in our name that we all go go out and help take care of all kinds of things. We do things for the homeless. I mean, it's just there are tons of shit that we do. We do a lot for animal shelters because we're all animal people. But the point is this. Let's say he does that. All right. And then let's say Donald Trump doesn't do that, but instead he writes a $10 million check to whatever the same charity is that Bernie's working at.

All right. And doesn't go down and feed the people himself. Okay. Now what's better? That's a good argument. All right. No, I don't think it's an argument at all. Because the argument is you're giving what you can. You give what you can.

Right. And who's helping more people? That's what we're asking. What makes the bigger impact? That's what we're asking. Real simple. Who makes a bigger impact, Vaughn? Well, I would guess the investment of the money, which supports a lot of other things.

Okay, and you're going to have people now say, well, it depends on how much percentage goes to administration and blah, blah, blah. Assuming that you pay attention to how the money is fucking used, $10 million is going to go a lot fucking further than you going down and scooping out fucking turkey. Period. Okay?

But people will argue that, and they'll get mad about it, and they'll say, well, that's not right. You're just writing a check. That's fucking easy. Oh, it is? Right. It's easy?

Right. Really? The ability to write that check is fucking easy. Right. So let me use an example and you tell me if this is a good illustration of what you're talking about. Can we just say it's easy to give away something that's not yours and you don't have to pay for it? It's easy to look at somebody else's fucking money and say it's easy to give that away. Yeah.

Well, and what I'm talking about is like Bernie's like, oh, this should be free. This is free. It's not coming out of his pocket. It's easy to look at somebody else's fucking money and say it's easy to give that away. Well, and what I'm talking about is like Bernie's like, oh, this should be free. This is free. It's not coming out of his pocket. It's not free. That's the point. It's not free. It's not free. Right. Exactly. It's not free. Like free healthcare, free this, free that, free blah, blah. I mean, we're getting off topic here, but motherfucker, that shit

ain't free. Somebody's paying for it. Right. Right. Okay. So here's my example. So obviously it's known to the listeners of this podcast that I used to be a pastor. One of my favorite singers was a Christian guy named Rich Mullins. Okay. He had a huge, huge concern. Rich Mullins? Rich Mullins. Was he related to Dave Mullins? Well, it's funny. His brother's name is Dave Mullins, but I'm pretty sure it's not the same guy. It's Mullis, not Mullins. Yeah. Oh, Mullis. Okay. Well, anyway, he was- All those Asian names are the same. I'm so sure it's not the same guy. It's Mullis, not Mullins. Oh, Mullis. Okay. Well, anyway, he was-

All those Asian names are the same. I'm so racist. Right, exactly. He was hugely committed to the poor, okay? And he was from a small town in Indiana, and he had a huge respect for his dad, okay? So one day after he had had several years of huge success and was making pretty good money as a singer, He said to his dad, yeah, dad, for now on, I'm not going to take any money. I'm going to go live on a reservation and

minister to people, and it's going to be great. I'm going to be really committed to God's work among these poor people. And he was totally floored by his dad's response. His dad was this farmer, real practical and everything. His dad said, you're an idiot. And he's like, what are you talking about? He said, Rich, if you really want to help the poor, make all the money you can. Yes, dedicate yourself. Go live on that mission, you know, the reservation or whatever.

But make all the money you can and invest that money in their lives and spreading the wealth. So that's basically what you're saying. Yes, it is what I'm saying. But you know what? It's easy to pick somebody apart when you don't like them. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So that's what happens is people who are of average level, and this is where all the fucking hater shit comes from too, okay? People who are of average mindset, average income, average fucking lifestyle, point the finger at somebody like Donald Trump. And this has nothing to do with him being president, by the way. I'm using him as an example because he's rich as fuck. Okay?

They point the finger at Donald and they say, Oh, you know what? Donald's this. Donald's that. Donald's a shit bum. He's greedy. He's this. He's that. And they come up with all these things that they attach to him because they don't like him.

Right. And he happens to have money. Right. And then what they say, then what it is, the backtrack to that is, well, you know, because I don't have money, I'm the opposite of all those core values that I just attached to him. Right. Makes me a great person. Right. Dude, fuck you.

It doesn't. Yeah. That's an excellent point because Michael Bloomberg. That's how people justify Vaughn. Their fucking goodness. Yeah. They justify their goodness. Well, you know, Jesus was a carpenter and he was all about the poor and blah, blah, blah.

Well, you know what? How many fucking poor people have you helped making $30,000 a year versus the guy who makes $30,000,000? Think about that for a second. Because if you haven't thought about that, you ain't fucking thinking. So whenever you say, oh, you know, I don't want to make money because I don't want to be like that. Why don't you instead go out and make money and then just be a different way to set an example for what you should be right you know what i'm saying if you hate it that much if you fucking hate that that much then go out make your money because it's so easy because it was so easy and they were so lucky

right it's gonna be lucky for you too so go out and do that and then give it away and show everybody how fucking great and moral and fucking good you are. And then set in and dude, you know what? You'll change the fucking world. And I'm not being sarcastic here. Be that guy. If you don't like the way quote unquote rich people do shit, then be the guy who fucking does it different. But the reality is, is that rich people are already doing that shit, and people just don't want to fucking admit it. Right. Your point about them being critical of Donald's money because they don't like him is huge.

Because you have people like George Soros, you have Michael Bloomberg. Those guys are all far left. They're committed to taking away gun rights and all that. Do they get criticized? No, they don't. It's because the people in positions of power in the media, it's not that Donald has money. They don't like how he spends his money and they,

they think it's, they think it's their right. It's not even that they don't like him because they, I don't even think it's what you said. I disagree. I think what it is is they just don't like him. Dude. Anybody who has a voice and uses it,

there's going to like, I talk about all the time in branding. When we talk about branding, there's going to be 50% of the people that don't like you no matter what you do. And your job is not to appease them. Your job is to take the 50% that like you and make them love you. And Donald Trump fucking gets that. Okay. And that's why the 50% when you make that 50% love you you that automatically like you you you make the other

half hate you right you see what i'm saying right and that's the deal and so like you know but this isn't just exclusive to trump this is exclusive this goes into anybody who makes anything and shows any kind of like fucking you know materialistic whatever prize like i know dudes here in st louis that i'm great friends with that make a lot fucking more money than I do. Love cars, love cars. But instead of buying their own car,

they come to my house and look at my garage. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I'm like, and I'm not going to name the dude's name. He's a very good friend of mine, but I'm like,

bro, what are you doing? You know? And he's like, well, you know, people are going to, I'm like,

why the fuck do you care what people are gonna, you know what I mean? Right. And, and, and that's why this message is important to me because material things can be very good motivation. You know, they can help you drive yourself to do things that you would ordinarily just say, fuck it. I'm going to lay on the couch. You know what I mean? When I was a kid, fuck it, I'm going to lay on the couch. You know what I mean? When I was a kid, you know, and I saw my first Lamborghini, I was hooked on Lamborghinis and cars and shit. And if it wasn't for that external prize that I love and I'm passionate about,

I don't know that I'd be here. And neither would the 100 people that I employ. You know, neither would the 800 outside reps that we employ. Right. You see what I'm saying? Right. Those people wouldn't, it wouldn't work. Yeah. You know, so I don't like it whenever people attack those sort of things, because I think it's wrong to take somebody's motivation and look, look, look, let's say like, dude, my, my motivation is to make a million dollars so i can start a fucking concentration camp all right right well that's fucking wrong right you know but owning a fucking bentley or whatever that sounds wrong with that good for you

dude i see that shit and here's another thing truly successful people root for other successful people they root for that i see people roll around in cool shit. I'm like, fuck yeah, man. That's badass. Like that post you posted the other day about Jason in his car. Yeah. I thought that was great.

Yeah, dude. You know, but people say shit like, I mean, I had a guy, I had the Ford GT out on Saturday and I had a guy come up

and he was like, fuck, life must be good. I'm like, yep, it is good. And he's like, it must be really good. And I'm like, it's fucking great. Yours must suck.. I'm like, yep, it is good. And he's like, it must be really good.

And I'm like, it's fucking great. Yours must suck. Yeah. You know, he was driving a fucking work truck. You know what I'm saying? And like,

dude, this is not an attack on people who work, you know, and that's the other thing. Oh, fuck it. I will fucking work for a living. Motherfucker.

Right. Come on. You know, you don't know what it's like to fucking get your hands dirty. Dude, what the fuck do you think I got the money to start this company? I started this company so I wouldn't have to fucking do that every day. It's not that I don't know how or I'm unwilling. I just fucking want it better. So I started something. Right. You know what I mean? Right. How much do you think, do you think it's only a matter of just everybody has a right to choose, you know,

how they want to spend their money? Do you think motives matter? Like, for instance, does the guy who wants to buy a huge – let's say there's two guys. One guy wants to buy a huge mansion simply because he wants to show it off. And the other guy wants to buy a huge mansion because he's like, dude, I really like showing hospitality to people. I want to have people over. I want to encourage people. I want to have people over. I want to encourage people. I want to have parties and just celebrate friendship.

Do you think that matters? No. I'll tell you why. Because the guy that says, oh, I'm just buying it because I want to be a host is fucking lying. At least the guy who says, oh, I bought it because I wanted to show off is fucking honest. You know, let's be real. They're both saying the same thing. They're just different.

The second guy's got a little more tact than the first guy you know it's the same fucking thing but but but who cares right you know what i'm saying because you know what the reality is some kid who's fucking 17 year old gonna see the picture of your house on instagram and say fuck dude right that's cool and you know what's gonna happen he's gonna go out he's gonna create a know what's going to happen? He's going to go out. He's going to create a company. He's going to employ people. He's going to have to create a solution to some sort of problem in order to make money to get the house that he wants to get. So all this shit that he has to do to get that house is good. And people like to hang on the exceptions. Oh, he's selling drugs, or he's this, or he's that.

Fuck, dude. This is St. Oh, he's selling drugs or he's this or he's that. Right. Fuck, dude. This is St. Louis, Missouri, man. St. Louis, Missouri is far from the fucking epicenter of success in the United States. But I can tell you what, we could spend all day driving through the rich neighborhoods of St. Louis, couldn't we? There's some big motherfucking houses here. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

And a lot of them. Yeah. And dude, what that tells me is success is in abundance. There's a lot more people out there that are very successful than you fucking realize. And when you take a kid who is a middle class, lower class kid and you inspire him because your house is big to go out and do all this other shit. What is wrong with that? Nothing. Exactly.

It's right. It's not even what is wrong. It's fucking right. Right. And I would argue it's your fucking duty to society to inspire other people through your own success, you know, but dude, it's, you know, you guys who are younger, listen to this. People are going to dog you out, man.

They're going to, they're going to tell you, Hey man, you don't need that. You don't need all this shit. And it's always like, it's always the same character type of dude too. It's like this girl. It's like this. They,

they fucking talk to you like they're enlightened. You know what I'm saying? Like they know some shit you don't fucking know. Right. And it's like, you know, they probably got like grateful dead sticker on their fucking car, you know,

and they smoke a lot of weed. You know what I'm saying? Right. It's always the same type of dude, like the enlightened dude. You don't need all that stuff. Yeah. That's just stuff, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then that's the same guy that once you start making it, he's fucking, you know, being

like, Hey man, can I borrow 500 bucks? You know what I mean? Right. So, so you shared a story and I don't remember if it was on Periscope or it might have been on Snapchat. I'm not sure, but I want to bring this up. You talked about before you and Chris made a ton of money, somebody you knew got sick, and Chris gave them $100. And at the time, that was like $10,000 for Chris. and I'm curious what you think about this, is that I think people are the same whether they have $100 in the bank

or whether they have a million bucks. Chris was already generous when he had $100. Yeah. And the fact that he got a lot more money and was able to do that, I guess what I'm trying to say is I think people... He's equally as generous now. Right, right.

And I'm not saying he gives away a hundred bucks. He gives away relative amounts. Right. Right. And my, my, my thought, the reason I bring that up is because I think there are people who have like, you know, a hundred bucks in their, in their bank account. And they're looking at you guys saying, well, you guys should be more generous. And my question to them is, well, how generous are you with a hundred dollars that you have? Like, are you just saying what's the rich people that should be generous or are you taking personal responsibility?

Does that make sense? Yes. It's okay for me to keep my money, but you know, but you should be giving it away cause you have so much, right. You know, and that's, that's the thing in America now, you know, actually I think everybody should be given money and I think it should be relative. And I think if you've got, if you've got 500 bucks and you give away a hundred, you know, that's, that's fucking, that's an amazing thing for you to do.

Right. You know what I mean? Um, and I think if you've got 500 million, you should give away fucking, you should give away a hundred million. You don't need 500 fucking million dollars. You know,

I, I agree with that. Yeah. The Stewart, the amount is relative. Let me, let me say this. It shouldn't be the government's job to fucking legislate that giving.

All right? But, I mean, I do think... And I think, dude, I think generally, and I don't know if it's just the people I know or what, but generally the people I know who have the most money, they are far more generous than people assume. You know what I mean? And it's just... I want to tie this together. You know, I want to tie it together. What I call the morality of money. All right. Here's what you

guys have to understand. There's a couple points. All right. One, making money is a great thing. Making money and being successful is a great, great thing. There's nothing wrong with it, okay? Because here's what you have to understand. We talked about this in a previous podcast. For the last 75 years, because the way advertising was set up and the companies with the most money could pay to sell products on the radio, on TV, on the newspaper, um, little companies

never really had a shot. Okay. And what happened was there was during that time, there was no feedback. There was no way for us to leave a review on Amazon and Angie's list on all these other things that we can get on social media. And so what happened, and this is why you're taught, why you were probably taught that money was bad, is that these big companies got really fucking greedy

and they started advertising products in an immoral way, either advertising a product that would work a certain way that didn't work a certain way, or advertising a product that was not what they claimed it to be. People bought these products. They got angry and they said, man, these big companies, they fuck everybody. They stick everybody, you know, in the ass and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they get angry. Right. And, and then they're like, dude, everybody who makes money is a fucking crook.

And that's where that fucking mentality comes from. But you have to realize that we are in a different era now. Okay. If you're a realize that we are in a different era now. Okay? If you're a guy that owns a business or a girl that owns a business and you're selling something that isn't what it claims to be, what is going to happen to you? You are going to get a million posts on the internet. You're going to get raped on the fucking social media. You're going to have zero star reviews on Amazon and Angie's List.

And guess what happens? You don't make any fucking money. All right. So in order to make money in this era, you have to have a product that solves a legitimate problem. You have to have a product that offers a solution to these problems. You have to have a product that helps people. And when I say help people,

I'm not talking about your grandma fucking walking across the street. I'm talking about why do you buy a fucking product? To help people. Okay? Oh, I don't buy fucking, what do I get out of Air Jordans? Well, you get to feel fucking cool. That helps you feel cool.

What do I get out of fucking, you know, my, whatever the fucking thing of the day is. You know, what do I get out of my um you know my whatever the fucking thing of the day is you know what do i get out of my teletubby well you get to see your fucking kid smile solve problem you see what i'm saying right that helps people solve a problem and if you're not doing that effectively in today's era you cannot make money right all right so let's talk about the morality of that. The morality of that is actually the opposite of what most people think about money. You can't screw people and make money anymore. It's impossible. Can you do it for a short time? Sure. But it's much harder nowadays than it was for the last 75 years pre 2000. Okay. So when people talk about this morality of money, it's because the older generations don't understand what's going on right now in the,

in the business world and how money is made and how you have to legitimately be legit, you know, to solve something. And when money is made that way and you make a lot of money, good for you. There's nothing wrong with it. You didn't screw anybody because if you did, you wouldn't have made the money. Right. Right. Right. I mean, dude, let me, let me ask you, you know, you're old enough to remember pre internet. Me too. If we bought something off, uh, you know, a store or whatever, like, let's say for example, the hot thing now is the Yeti cooler, right? The Yeti cooler keeps your ice for fucking one year, whatever the fuck it is, like something crazy.

And you bought the Yeti cooler, and the Yeti cooler kept your ice for one day instead of one year, like it claims, right? How long would it take you 20 years ago to tell everybody you know about that? A long time. Long fucking time, right? No email, no cell phone, no text, no fucking social media, no internet. Are you going to go on your rotary phone and fucking do-do-do-do-do-do-do?

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do? Right. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do? And call everybody up and say, motherfucker, this Yeti cooler, man. This shit sucks. No, it's not going to happen. So businesses get away with that. But now, what has happened?

What's the opposite that's happened with Yeti? Yeti does fucking keep eyes for its ridiculous claim. And now they've fucking blown up because it's incredible. Right. And the word of mouth is so quick. Like, dude, when I first heard the Yeti thing, Chris, my business partner here in the office, told me about it. I'm like, yeah, fucking right. He's like, dude, it keeps your ice in your cup for like two days.

I'm like, bullshit. Dude, and when I fucking saw it, I was amazed, right? Right. I'm like, wow. So what do I do? I go post about it. And then every single person I know knows, and then the brand grows and that's how a brand can fail too. But so you can't immorally make money. I mean, dude, you know, you couldn't make arguments, right? Like,

Oh dude, who fucking has a porn site or dude who has, you know, uh, this or that, but whatever, that's not my job to judge.'s you know that's they're still solving a fucking problem but but what i'm talking about here is straight up like most most ways to make money these days are legitimate and most people who have money have made their money in a legitimate fashion of providing value solving solving problems, helping people find solutions to their problems. And that's it. So when you fucking criticize them and say, oh, they're evil, they stepped on people, they screwed people,

dude, those kind of comments are totally off base. And it makes you look stupid. Because it makes you look, it makes you, it exposes how ignorant you really are about how things work now. You see? Yeah. Yeah. So,

so that's, first of all, you have to do the right thing to make money. Second of all, if you don't do the right thing, okay, everybody's going to fucking know. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

I mean, it's just, there's just so. So, so the way that I would conceive of it, and you and I probably have different terms that we use to express this. I mean, being the former pastor, I think of a passage in the Bible that says, Whatsoever a man reaps, so also shall he sow. Okay, so there are consequences to our actions. I think you would call that karma. But to me, what the modern day world and social media and everything does is it accelerates that, what you call the process of karma.

What used to take a lifetime to reap in terms of consequences now takes five minutes. Exactly. Yeah. And that's also why, and we have a whole other issue coming up down the pipe on social media, but that's also why social media is such an incredible tool. And if you do the right thing and you have an amazing product and you have something that really makes people say, wow, you could really cut most of that time off the, off the success curve because of the tools that we have available. You see what I mean? Yeah. So when people attack money, what they're really attacking is people who have identified solutions to problems and put them in play and execute them. And their little attacks make no fucking sense.

So if you're fucking 17, 18, 19 years old and you say you want a fucking Lamborghini, you're going to have to do a lot of good to fucking afford that right you know what i mean yeah yeah for sure like so so to me like when i see fucking successful things or material things i don't look at them as as you know a indicator or a representation of evil i look at them as an indicator or a representation of evil. I look at them as an indicator or a representation of somebody who has dedicated a lot of their life to providing value and solving problems. You know, and how many people, I mean, how many people honestly look at that stuff like that?

I don't think most do. Probably not a lot. No. Because we're always, I think we're always, particularly in our culture and with our media, we're always being shown the bad examples. We're being shown the guys who are driving their employees into ground and they're out driving their yacht and whatever. And yes, that happens. But like you said, that's okay.

So that's a bad example of how not to use your money. I don't think that happens as near as much As what people think Because here's the fucking truth If you drive your employees into the ground And you pay them shit And you don't do anything for them You're not going to be able to get them to produce The amount of shit that you need to produce They're not going to be engaged

They're not going to be loyal They're not going to be part of your culture They're not going to be the driving force behind your sales That you need them to be To driving force behind your sales that, that you need them to be, to be able to afford a fucking yacht. You see what I mean? Absolutely.

Yeah. So, you know, I, I would say, are there examples? Sure. But those examples,

the examples that you're saying, those guys are, unless, you know, unless they're like having like little kids do labor in fucking Asia. Right. You know what I mean? I mean,

those people are going to have issues keeping that system going forward because there's too many companies out there that value their employees, pay their employees a fair wage, and offer the growth that people are looking for. Right. But in some ways, even bringing those—I mean, I'm going to catch myself here. In some ways, even bringing up those examples of people who may or may not use their money in bad ways, it misses the point. The point is, you don't have to do that. You can take personal responsibility, earn all the money you can possibly earn, and use it for good. Right. So even using the bad examples is ridiculous.

If you're that guy, people are going to say the same shit about you. Yeah. They're going to say, oh, he's fucking blah, blah, blah. Oh, he's this, that, and the other. They're going to say the same shit about you yeah they're gonna say oh he's fucking blah blah blah oh he's a this that and the other you know they're gonna say the same shit it's just the way people are about money and they don't look at it the right way which is why they don't have any fucking money and that's it you know you know so i keep saying this if you're a young man a young woman and you've got goals good for you you. You know what I'm saying? Don't let anybody ever fucking tell you ever there's something wrong

with any of your goals. All right? Just because your goals aren't their goals doesn't mean they're wrong. And what you'll find, and what I think is very interesting, is that when people try to, like, put their arm around these young people and, like, tell them, like, you know you need to you need to do blah blah blah look at the advice they're giving and then look at their life and what you'll find is that they're actually giving you advice to make you more like them you know what i mean and that's

people generally think the way that they live is the quote unquote right way. And so they put their arm around people and they say, you know, Hey, be like me. And unless you want to be like them, when you look at their life, don't fucking take their advice. You know, um, I had a guidance counselor in high school that was not very supportive of my dreams, you know? And, uh, I fucking, you know, I, I knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur, you know? And I knew I wanted to make a lot of fucking money.

And when you told him that at a Christian high school, um, it wasn't received very well. It was like, oh, you know, that's kind of for other people, you know,

like that's, you know, that's for like, that's for like people that go to like Duke and people, that's exact words too. That's for people that go to like Duke and like, like Harvard. And I'm like, and now I'm like, dude, people that go to like Duke and people that's exact words too. That's for people that go to like Duke and like Harvard. And I'm like, and now I'm like,

dude, people that go to fucking Duke and Harvard end up working for the man. You know what I'm saying? It's true. Like, dude, you're a high paid something, but you're not working for yourself.

Yeah. You know, the reality is, is most entrepreneurs I know are fucking see students that barely can make it through school because all they dreamed about was other shit. Right. You know, I mean, see students that barely could make it through school because all they dreamed about was other shit right you know i mean they dream about doing this or that or this and they're breaking the rules and they have a certain thing about them that like you know they want to deconstruct shit like they take apart their parents tools you see how they work piss their dad off you know

that's fucking that's me dude yeah you know, and I don't know, man. You know, I think there's, I think the morality issue when it comes to money is very skewed in reality. I think that most people don't understand it. I think that most people don't want to understand it because they want to justify their place in this world as an average earning human being. You know, when you could justify where you are, it's very easy to say, you know what? I'm doing everything right. You know, I don't have to worry about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know what?

Like I said, just like they can't tell you your goal, we shouldn't tell them their goals. I put this information out here, not because I'm trying to convince everybody that they need to be successful. I put this information out for the motherfuckers that want to be right you know i don't drive a lamborghini to like or rolls royce or whatever the fuck i'm driving to convince people that's the right thing but for the people that want to do that shit i'm probably a good guy to fucking

keep an eye on right you know what i So, you know, just because somebody has different goals than you, no matter what, no matter if it's to make a trillion dollars or no matter if it's to make 30,000 or fucking no money, maybe their dream is to live off the grid with no fucking money. And I know people who've done that and I think it's badass. You know what I mean? But it's just not my thing. Right. So, you know, don't judge people.

And this goes for you motherfuckers, too, listening to this, that have high ambitions and high goals and want to make a lot of money. Don't judge these other people for the goals they have because that makes you just as bad as them. It makes you an asshole. Right. You know? Right. So I get defensive a little bit because I feel like we're always attacked. People that have high ambitions for like money because they have big plans for what they want to do with it are attacked by the other people. And as much as that annoys me, it's still not right to attack them back.

You know, just because that's not what they want. I will say that the reality of it from the thousands and thousands and thousands of emails that I've gotten over the years is that most of the people I've dealt with have emailed me in and said some negative shit. You know, hey, fuck you. You're all about the money, blah, blah, blah. And then I say, well, why do you say that? And they say, well, blah, blah, blah. And I'm say, well, you don't think money is important. And I'll end up talking them through it and those people almost always i come to find out that they have limited themselves and they're frustrated with where they are and so they're attacking

other people so that's why i say like when i say quote unquote average i'm not attacking them i'm just saying the truth from what my experience has been. Right. You know, these people are unhappy with where they are, which is why they fucking attack in the first place. You know. So two things. One is and I don't know how directly relevant, but I think I think it applies. So I just finished helping another client complete a book project and he's the president of a local healthcare system. In the course of doing that book, I had to research the founders of the healthcare system. It was started

originally by a woman who was a nun, basically. If you would look at this woman, she's the stereotypical and I mean this in a positive way. She's the sweet little lady who cares about people. Let me stop you right yeah let me stop you tyler yep go get me some commanders

so should i start over no okay i don't know where i was you're talking about sweet old lady oh sometimes sorry man sometimes i just gotta get my energy oh okay you know what i'm saying like No. Okay. I don't remember where it was. You're talking about sweet old lady. Oh. Sorry, man. Sometimes I just got to get my energy. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm starting to fucking. So do you want me to edit this part out? No. Oh, okay.

Okay. Okay. So anyway. That's the one thing about working with Gary I picked up on about not editing it. That's cool. Sorry, guys. I had to get my fat burners in, man. Oh, yeah.

It's two o'clock. I'm starting to dip. I need my energy. I'm on a diet. I'm fucking doing a first form transformation challenge. And I got a regimen. I got to stick to it. It's time to go.

I love it. I love it. So anyway, this woman is the stereotypical sweet, nice, nun, committed to the poor, committed to helping people. Huge mind for ministry, okay? But as I was reading over her original writings, it was amazing to me—and Tyler's bringing in the commanders right now. All right. It was amazing to me how many things that she said about, listen, if this ministry is going to go anywhere, if it's going to really help people, we have to be practically minded. We have to make some serious money.

We have to encourage all of our rich friends to give their money generously and to do everything we can to essentially promote revenue. Oh, dude, that's fucking, that's immoral. They're scheming against the rich people. Well, and my answer to this, and I know Mr. Astrakhol out there is going to take issue with, well, yeah, but you don't know how they use this and this and this. But here's the point. The point is that that ministry, which is still regarded as a ministry now, is a billion-dollar company that serves thousands and thousands of people every day.

So that's the first thing I'm going to say. A lot of scammers. So it's what I—for me, I mean, you can drive home whatever point you want. For me, the point that I want people to take out of this is it's not an either-or, guys. It's a both-and. Right. You can be good, and you can make money, and you can use it for good purposes. That's right. The other thing I want to do is just throw this out for people to think.

So Jesus told the parable of three people who all were given a certain amount of money, and then their master left, okay? And at the end, the person that Jesus said was the guy that actually was the good guy in the story was the guy that was given the most money and then made the most money from that. In other words, the person who was the best steward and made the highest possible revenue, that's what Jesus is. That's the good guy. The bad guy was the guy who was given the money and just sat on it and did nothing. So literally for those people who think they're all spiritual, you literally have Jesus Christ himself who has told the story, basically saying, if you want to be good, be a good steward of your money, your talents, all that you've been given, make more. Dude, that's why I talk about the morality. It is an obligation. It's a social obligation that you have, not just to yourself, but to your wife or your

husband or your kids or your neighbor's kids or everybody you have and come in contact with for them to be inspired by the amount of success that you've created so that they could go out and do the same. Right. All right. That is a same. Right. All right. That is a fucking moral obligation. All right. So not only do you have to fucking make money the moral way by doing the right thing, but

it's an obligation. And this is my opinion. This is why I call it the morality of money is that you're obligated to do that, you know? And if you want to argue that all you want, how about this? How about you, let's take if a deceased soldier could come back to life and look you in the eye and say, hey, what are you doing with your life? Would you feel proud or ashamed with what you told them? That's a very tough question for everybody to ask.

Right. And people don't think about it like that. How many millions of people have fucking sacrificed for everybody to ask. Right. And people don't think about it like that. How many millions of people have fucking sacrificed for you to have the opportunity that you choose to spend instead of doing the best you can and making the most money, that you choose to spend hiding in a fucking turtle shell, pointing the finger at everybody else about how they're a piece of shit, when in reality, you're the one that's not out there doing the shit and honoring those sacrifices.

So, I mean, dude, we could pick this apart, right? Many different ways. And people who are listening to this, who believe that money is bad,

I'm sure they're going to continue to believe that, but you know, you're also never going to have any money thinking that, you know, right. People, cause I had this kid yesterday. He was telling me about how, you know, he loves, uh, you know, he wants to make millions

of dollars so that he could help blah, blah, blah. I'm like, that's great. But most people that make money are shitty and evil and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, if that's what you think, you're not going to attract money into your life. It's not going to happen. You know why? Because for you to make money, you're going to have to also associate with some of these people that you think are pieces of shit and they're not going to fucking help you. They're not going to, they're not going to boost you up. They're not going to, you know, go out on a limb to make a phone call for you or do whatever, whatever it is. Right. Nobody could do it alone. Right. For me, it comes down to something you say all the time. It's literally your definition of success. It is success is realizing your own true potential. And for me, the reason I'm 100% in favor of what

you're saying is that you're not over there saying, oh, you have to be rich. It's all about being rich. No, what you're saying, it's all about being who you were supposed to be, who you were meant to be, maximizing your potential. If you don't do that, you're failing. Right. And what's even worse than not doing that is pointing at somebody who's 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 years old and wants certain things out of life and telling them that they're fucking wrong for wanting that. Right. That's like piling wrong on top of wrong.

It's a wrong double cheeseburger. You know what I'm saying? I like it. Yeah. Dude, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's fucking double cheeseburger. You know what I'm saying? I like it, yeah. Dude, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's fucking double slice wrong. Something that you said earlier was, you know, people don't realize how much wealth is out there, like how many successful people are out there. No, they assume that because this dude's making money, that means that they can't.

Right. They don't think that there's room at the top. Right. You know, everybody has that potential. But what you just said with the guy yesterday is that he said most rich people are evil you know i'd like to know how many rich people he knows exactly you know exactly none he picks he picks people out of the media right exactly exactly and dude that's you know i mean it's all started with with companies legitimately doing the wrong thing over the last however many years our parents grew up, you know,

seeing this and they spread that message. We grew up hearing it. It's time to break that fucking cycle. You know, making money, being successful is, is, is a good thing. There's nothing wrong with it. You can help far more people. It takes morals to make money. It takes, it takes a person who is willing to go through a billion tons of bullshit for the benefit of others. You know, there's just, there's no end to it, man. You know, there's biblical implications that we can tie in there. I mean, it's just, it's you have the opportunity. And if you don't execute on the opportunity that's on you

that's not somebody else's fault because they went out and did it and my whole purpose of talking to this i mean this is a lot of people who are like 30 plus years old hearing this they're like dude fuck i don't care what anybody thinks right and good for you you shouldn't but when you're 15 to fucking 20 or 25 you know you're you're listening to people that you look up to and trust. And they're telling you that you shouldn't own a fucking nice car, nice house, because it means you're a piece of shit. That's not true. It's okay for you to have those goals. You know what I mean?

Those goals, one day, and here's the truth of it. One day you'll achieve those goals. You hang on to them long enough and work hard enough. You'll achieve those goals and realize that they didn't represent everything that you thought they did, which you will grow from and then become a better functioning, more whole human being. You see what I mean? Dude, I used to think that living in a 10,000 square foot house and fucking driving Lamborghinis was the fucking end all be all. I do that shit every day. I don't give a fuck about it.

Honestly, I don't care. But the point was doing, getting to that point, like you could take all that shit away from me right now and it would make no difference at all. But getting to, for me to get to this point,

I held onto those dreams and I got to those dreams. And now I have a hundred plus people that make a living off of the dreams that that i had you see what i mean absolutely so you have to have those dreams and there's nothing wrong you know i mean do i still love cars i fucking love cars love cars love them there's nothing wrong with that you know know what I mean? It's just, I just want these younger people to realize, like, look, people are going to criticize you. But if you understand where that criticism is coming from and why it's happening, it's a lot easier for you to say, well, you know, I'm not going to listen to that. Right. You know?

Right. And when people are criticizing you and you know what's driving that and you know it, then it's easier to just let it go. So that's what my message is for these guys. If you really understand how money is made, if you really understand what it takes and what good comes of it and how much good is done by it, you should never have a negative viewpoint of money. And you should never feel negative about making money. You should never apologize for making money making money you should never apologize for making money and you should never apologize for you know winning at all it's just the reality and like society has mind fucked a big a big group of people into thinking that they were meant to be

broke as fuck and live paycheck to paycheck and barely able to get by. And that's somehow a noble life. It's not. One of my favorite lines from The Wolf of Wall Street, there's no nobility in poverty. It's fucking true. There's nobility in humbleness. There's nobility in modesty. I'm not a very modest person. i admit i could work on that a

little bit i'm a humble person two different fucking things motherfuckers but you know there's no nobility in poverty you don't have to be broke to have those character traits you know so my final thought is simply that unfortunately in our culture greed and capitalism have become synonymous especially with younger people and they're not the same greed is bad but capitalism is very very good in my humble opinion sorry i was taking a drink. My final thought would be if you're a young man or young woman and you have high fucking hopes and high goals and high ambitions, hang on to those, protect those, never let anybody talk you out of them, never let anybody change your focus,

never let anybody make you feel like you're wrong, and stick with your plan until it becomes a reality. And then if you decide it's not for you, then make your own fucking decisions about it. But anybody who comes and tells you you're wrong for wanting what you want, I would give them the middle finger and walk the other direction. And that's the honest to God is true.