Real Girls Radio - EP 17: 'Miles Nazaire talks eating disorders, OnlyFans FOMO and gender stereotypes

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

Grab some snacks and chillax whilst we chat with...Miles from Made In Chelsea Miles talks about his experience of getting nipple surgery, the horrible statistics of men with eating disorders, getting OnlyFans, and SO much more. You're in for a treat with this ep!Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/e-1-the-unheard-truth-of-millys-journey. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Love this podcast? Support this show through the Acast Supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give and there's no regular commitment. Just hit the link in the show description to support now. Hello and welcome to Real Girls Radio. I'm Millie. And I'm Emma and we are both very normal bro girls just like you here to talk about all things health, fitness and navigating your way through this crazy life. We're your new besties. We want you to feel part of our

weekly chats and we're excited to invite you in to our exclusive girl gang. Grab some snacks and chillax whilst we chat. Woo! Yeah. Okay, I think we've got it. Hello, everyone. Hello, welcome back. We have a very special guest in today's episode. Hello, Miles. Special.

Welcome to the podcast. Thank you, girls, for having me. Would you like to introduce yourselves to the listeners? I feel like I was going to introduce you, but I'm like, I think you could probably do a better job. How would you introduce me?

Maiden Chelsea. Miles from Maiden. We were just saying this. We were just saying this. I don't want to be that person. No, I'm like, I think you could probably do a better job. How would you introduce me? Maiden Chelsea. Miles from Maine. We were just saying this. We were just saying this. I don't want to be that person. No, I'm joking. Yeah, okay. Miles from Maine, Chelsea.

Best known for... What's your full name? Miles Nazaire. I never know how to pronounce it. Because it's French. Nazaire. Okay, Nazaire, yeah. It's an American first name and a French last name.

Ah, interesting. Miles Nazaire. Is that your background? Yes. Half American, background half american no not half american no french french caribbean right so were you born in france uh i was not born in france i don't know why i had to think about that i was no i was born in london okay yeah yeah but you can speak french first language i went to french school so miles from in chelsea who speaks french yeah what else can we know about you i train sometimes a little bit yeah now again what did you do before making chelsea i worked in marketing yeah when was that and 2017

but also i i didn't really do much because i had a girlfriend and when you're that young you have a girlfriend you don't really do anything yeah and then I had a girlfriend. And when you're that young and you have a girlfriend, you don't really do anything. Yeah. And then obviously being a main character, you're like having a girlfriend that it's not really. Well, I've never had a girlfriend on the show. Oh, have you not?

I've never actually dated someone serious on the show. Wow. That is a topic we'll go into in more detail for sure. How interesting. So, no. Anyway, before we go into the actual episode, we're going to start with our fop and vibe. Yeah. Cause that's what we do. Is that how you start the episode? That's how we start the episode. Oh god intense. Okay cool. So actually as you're the guest would you like to go first? Okay so the flop is like something that's bad. Yeah. Okay yeah. That's happened in the weekend and the fly is okay. You got it. So I'll start with the fly. Okay. Which was last night i did a pa in hexeter and i've done a lot of them in the years and they've always like a little they're fun but it's like it's quite a lot of work that was just the most amazing thing everyone was so lovely no one's taking the piss

yeah everyone was genuine people came up to me and were like, your fitness journey's helped me. And I was like, what? And then so many people, because I had surgery recently, your surgery and all these guys, normally when I get guys who are fans, they take the piss. Because it's like, me and Chelsea.

But all these guys were coming up and were like, you mean so much to me, you've helped me so much in so many ways. And I was like, what the hell? I've never had that reaction before. So it was really nice having that, that was my fly. For everyone who doesn't know what PA is, it's a personal appearance.

Oh God. Oh. That sounds so creepy. Yeah. How many people were there? Probably over 500. Wow. Shit.

It was like a club, wasn't it? Yeah. So you were just- Freshers. Oh, right. I felt really, really old. Yeah, I was gonna say. I was like, really old. Wait, so you were just freshers i felt really real yeah i was gonna say really old wait so you're just like chatting to everyone pissed yeah like on the dance floor so i had like a like on the there was like a vip like a podium yeah there's a podium there was a mic and they're

like oh i was like wow i kind of like just yeah i was gonna say your adrenaline must be like up i'm well i'm tired oh my god i got up i got a train at 7am no i meant like during the pa but I can't feel like Justin Bieber. I was going to say, your adrenaline must be like up. Bro, I'm tired. Oh my God, I got up, I got up at 7am. No, I meant like during the PA, but I'm coming now. I was sweating. If you see videos, I am sweating like a pig. Proper mush bits.

I think you hungover today. I'm not hungover, I'm just tired. I didn't get much sleep. So is that your flop? So no, my flop is someone this week has been releasing all my old addresses online. What? Yeah, my actual addresses. You're joking.

Yeah. We caught the person. Wait, how do you know this? Because I've been tagged in it and then she's tagged me. So what are they doing with these old addresses? So she's making these fake accounts and then writing my address from six years ago. And then recently she put the address from four years ago. And she's going to go up and up until...

How does she know? What is the intention? Like, what's she trying to achieve here? Yeah, I don't understand. So she commented... I was getting a tattoo and I get... Look, we all get bad comments and people having to say what we used to write.

And this one was particularly harsh. And I remember reading it going reading ago this this person's like having a bad time because to like put out that negativity on someone on a picture which was quite a picture of me juggling with oranges and I was like fucking well and she just went in and wrote loads paragraphs and then she was I feel sorry for your girlfriend and mentioned something. I was like, I don't have a girlfriend, so I don't know what you're talking about. And then I just said, I love you.

And then I shouldn't have done that. And then it sparked. And then she just started like putting out all these. Yeah, but it could be a guy you know. No, I know it's a woman. Oh, okay. Do you know the person? Well, when does this come out?

Wednesday. Oh, that early shit okay I can't be say much okay so basically all I can say is that there's something coming out in the new year yeah where we catch someone like a program maybe that's all I can say that's an excuse of actually my mansion kill me your manager killed you that you look well she didn't kill me. Your manager killed you? Well, she didn't kill you. No, she didn't kill me,

but I get messages. Miles, what have you done again? Okay, so what about you? What are your flaws? You go first. Okay, my flaw is kind of leading on from last week where we spoke about like mental health and as yesterday was World Mental Health Day,

it's quite topical. I've just really been struggling with my anxiety lately. And it's weird, it hits me really late at night at the same time every day. And I just get a wave of anxiety and it really stops me from sleeping. I think my therapist told me that moments where I feel highest anxiety is moments

when I feel most lonely. Yeah, I think it's that. That's when you feel most lonely. Yeah, and yeah. Do you. That's when you feel most lonely. Yeah. And yeah. Do you live alone? Recently, yeah. So I've just gone through a breakup. Oh no.

Yeah, going from like that to now living in like a big house on my own. It's a big one. Yeah, that's probably a part of it. Yeah. And how long were you together for? About a year. Yeah.

Yeah, just over a year. Everyone's breaking up at the moment really yeah all my mates are breaking up it's weird I'm chilling you're chilling single

I'm single single for life I'm so single but loving it loving a single life yeah what's your flop sorry what's your flop

my fly wow another flop no my fly is that I'm going to Paris next week oh nice I'm going to Disneyland oh my god fun, nice. I'm going to Disneyland. Oh, we've got fun. Who are you going with?

Jasmine. Cute. For like a weekend? We're going Thursday to Monday. If you go to Paris, go to Hotel Cost. I've already booked my hotel. So you don't have to go there to stay, right? It's an amazing restaurant.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because we're actually trying to book restaurants. It's like a very boudoir, red, velvet. Oh, nice. Really classy. Very just Parisian. But like epic and the food is delicious.

Okay. You definitely need to do this book though. Because I remember when I went recently, it was just like chaotic. Yeah, I was going to ask you actually for recommendations. Yeah, it was so... Yeah, I'll give you recommendations after. Okay, yeah. Well, yeah, that's my fly I'm going to Paris

oh that's fun hey who knows there's romance in Paris yeah yes there is romance are you ready for romance probably not

no when was the breakup um it was oh god Miles you don't even so I'm going in now no no no it was yeah

it was yeah no it was about um six weeks ago now oh wow fresh was it yeah fuck can I ask who broke up with who sorry this is re-back no no no It was about six weeks ago now. Oh, how fresh. Was it? Yeah. Fuck.

Can I ask who broke up with who? Sorry, this is a rebuttal. No, no, no. So we were actually engaged. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it was bad. Maybe listen to the previous, was it the previous episode?

It's quite an intense episode. I saw a snippet of you talking about, you were talking about sex, but you were talking about something i feel like it was linked to you yeah a breakup or something yeah yeah so we were together got engaged in the mall after a year yeah it was it was quite quick yeah it was very it felt natural how do you uh i'm 25 shit yeah wow yeah and how did you propose so we were in the maldives lovely yeah it was it was the perfect proposal it was like a moonlight dinner wow and i wasn't expecting it yeah um so yeah and then things just kind of you know

flopped when we got back but yeah wow but what will be will be everything's meant to be yeah yeah okay you're right yeah no i'm fine sorry so i don't mean to surprise i'm fine i think it's just you know it is what it is yeah and things happen for a reason it's much of the cliche it's maybe it does always and i think like it was important for me to talk about it on the podcast because you know being engaged and then not being engaged can be embarrassing, humiliating. That's how I felt and I'm sure other people probably would feel the same.

If they were in the same situation. You got so many good responses from that, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, it was helpful for me to talk about, for sure. It's almost like a therapy. Oh my God, definitely. The more you talk about it, the easier it gets. Yeah, and that podcast episode was genuinely like a therapy for sure. Yeah. It was good. That was a great one. Pr easier it gets. Yeah, and that podcast episode was genuinely like a therapy session.

Yeah. It was good. That was a great one. Proud of you. Yeah, shit happens. Yeah, it does. Proud of you. If you can get through it, my God.

Anyone can. Anyone can. Yeah, you're strong. Anyway, give us your flop. Oh, yeah, my flop. My flop. So, yeah, like you said, mental health day yesterday. My mental health was probably the lowest yesterday.

I'm not going to lie. It was really bad. I'm moving and I just hate moving. Everything just went shit. And I don't know about you guys, but like proving how much you earn as a creator is literally a joke. When you get, yeah.

Oh my God, it's a joke. Do you have an accountant? Yeah, but even that. That's fine. They take care of that. Your accountant should be able to take care of that. Yeah, he couldn't. Really? No. If you need an accountant? Yeah, but even that. That's fine. They take care of that. Your accountant should be able to take care of that. Yeah, he couldn't. Really?

No. If you need an accountant. Because I haven't been like fully self-employed for like that long. That long. Oh, I see. Okay, yeah. I think that's probably why. You need like a year to prove.

Yeah. Of like the income that you're having now. It's been over a year. I don't know. You do know another way around it is just to like show like one statement. Yeah, I did. I showed my savings. And even that.

Wow, that's tough. They were just being shit. It's like a really flaky industry. What was the estate agent that you worked with? Homemade. Sorry, what? Why don't you just go for them like us, Foxton's or... Because this apartment's really nice. Homemade. Where do you live Why don't we just go for like us, Foxton's or... Because this apartment's really nice.

Homemade. Where do you live? I'm not going to say. No, okay. Are you near where... Okay, yeah. Okay, cool. Really nice location.

Your addresses are leaking everywhere. Yeah, this... No, because someone showed me how you can find it. It's apparently pretty easy to find your address, yeah. Fuck off. She's not really... Oh, on... Online no that is important i don't but my my my address is my account's address so yeah i'm fine on company's house so how do you find your you can't find my name on company's house it's not even my name i'm a ghost you don't exist

please don't search now guys yeah was my fly I moved in yeah exactly yeah so we're great and it looks lovely and it's my birthday this Friday so I'm happy I'm sorry I'm going to Bali on your birthday no next week oh no okay we call for a birthday sweet yeah so you're going to be in Bali for Halloween. Yeah. Do you have any plans? We're going to have to party. We're going to have to party.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you going to wear? I'm going to go out. I'm in Bali, so I'm going to be shirtless. Tarzan. Tarzan. Yeah. That just came to my mind.

I'm going to be Tarzan. Get some leaves and shit. What do you put around? What does Tarzan put around? He has like a weird throw like a leaf i think it's not a leaf it's not a sachet it is not a leaf i'm searching this up it's not a leaf it's like a sash of leaves what are you on about no actually i think it's like a brown piece of material yes you are right you are wrong right well i don't watch that there might be a

maybe that's probably why spring of leaves on there. Yeah, there's some leaves. Oh, you know what I'm thinking of? Who's Tinkerbell's guy? Peter Pan. This is what I'm going to go. Literally wearing like a... What is that? Like a napkin?

Basically. It's in decent shape. I need to get back on it. be in shape anyway so right let's get into the episode i've got some icebreaker questions god you're so prepared aren't you i'm we're professionals we are not like this on my podcast but you need to watch and learn okay i'm actually at this i'm here for like intel i'm just like oh yeah i'll do your podcast i need to watch this yeah this is just podcast research for you. You go first. Okay, we will start with,

if you were an animal, what would you be and why? I've got two. Okay. Can I have two? Either a lion. Why? I would be a lion. This is just purely because when i was a kid i had really long hair and everyone used to call me the little lion so i've always thought okay if i was an animal i'd

be a lion that's nice and then the other one would be an eagle because um eagles can see from really far away and i really want to do that have you thought about this before yeah like yeah i've had so you can see as in like is that metaphorical like you can see through people i can see people uh no i don't know i i don't really yeah i've always i think eagles are beautiful yeah that's actually a pretty great answer i would say that's pretty good would you say you're an introvert or an extrovert both one or the other i'm an extrovert because my job yeah but at home an introvert there's nothing more I like to do then sit at home watch friends eat my food and

not talk to anyone yeah that's an introverted extrovert yeah yeah well like you love being extroverted but you need that alone time to recharge to actually be able to do that yeah cuz like i think part of our job and being in the creative industry you have to be naturally you know you're socialite really essentially you're also filming yourself you've got to do this content you've got to meet people you do a lot of pr so you exert a lot of energy all the time all the time so when you have some and when we you know if we have any time to ourselves it's like we're like taking advantage of that yeah that's why now i live alone like i used to live i've been living with like

friends and housemates for like what eight years and last year was like okay i want to get a flat on my own and oh my god it's the best thing i've ever yeah i had like a moment where i was living alone for like two months and like it's so good because you can control when you're seeing people yeah like and that's going to be when your social battery's like recharged and great yeah and no one moves your plates or dishes and yeah i know and we'll do one more icebreaker question it's not really an icebreaker question but we were talking about it before we went on air have you ever considered only fans yes i've been ourFans have contacted me three times. They've contacted you?

Yeah. And you do actually have an account? No, well, no. Shh, Melly. For research purposes. No. No. OnlyFans is, like, there's a part of it that's like, wow, oh my god, I could make loads of money off it.

Like, I know I could. Yeah. And there's a demand for it. There's examples, there's case studies of it is like wow oh my god I could make loads of money over like I know I could yeah and there's a demand for it and there's examples as case studies we know I've tried it there's me juggling oranges and but there's also like this is gonna sound really bad but it's not for example like I've been single for quite a while and I've always said I don't think I could get into a relationship with someone who is on OnlyFans.

I've got friends who do OnlyFans and I respect the hustle and I respect the job. I don't think I could do it and that's why I couldn't do it because I want to get into a serious relationship. My body, apart from when I'm doing my fitness stuff

and whatever, of course we all do that, but my body is supposed to be but like my body is supposed to be hers yeah her body's supposed to be mine so i wouldn't want anyone else to like be looking at me in that way and like i don't want that yeah so i don't see it as a it's funny i don't see it as oh i wouldn't do it because of you know branding or tv i'll just do it purely if i got into a relationship i don't want to i don't want pictures flying around. Yeah. Of course.

So it's more like out of respect for your future girl. Yeah, a hundred percent. Okay. That's interesting because I think most people, I would assume for most people who were on TV, for them to be more based upon that. Yeah, a hundred percent. And a lot of, I mean, it's now a lot of people,

it's more accepted. Like I think ITV are the only channel and maybe Channel 4 still, but ITV are the only channel, and maybe Channel 4 still, but ITV are the only channel who's like, no, you do OnlyFans, you can't do any ITV shows. But even if it's, like, not explicit content? OnlyFans has got a name. Yeah.

It doesn't matter. If I said I'm OnlyFans and I'm doing fitness, they're like, yeah, sure. It doesn't matter. I guess they don't know, do they? You don't know. I mean, I know there are other brands, like OnlyFans, where it's like... I don't know do they you don't know I mean there are I know there are other brands like OnlyFans

where it's like I don't know I don't know what about you girls would you I've considered it but I I feel like you're

getting close to it no we spoke about this before and you were like yeah I've thought about it so are you going to launch it here now tell us

I don't think I could do it I don't think I could do it no okay a question let me say that again question okay go if you were going to do it. I don't think I could do it. No, no, no. Okay, a question. Let me say that again. Okay, go. If you were going to do it, what would you post?

Yeah. See, I would just post my fitness content. Bollocks. Absolute bollocks. You would post. I don't know. I think naturally and like... I've literally posted myself in my underwear on Instagram.

Yeah, yeah, but... Yeah, that's the thing. Like, sometimes when I think about it, I'm like, I in my underwear on Instagram. Yeah, yeah. But. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, sometimes when I think about it, I'm like, I already post underwear pictures. But, like, it's just the name, isn't it? OnlyFans. But also, I think you would maybe be more intrigued to post different angles of the maybe. Because you do a bikini picture, right?

Yeah. But if you're doing OnlyFans, you're maybe going to be like, oh, maybe if I bend over this way and do that. Your poses be different your poses would be different naturally interesting yeah i hadn't thought about that much so i have yeah i'm joking my manager's watching this lexi you know this we went into meeting um this was like two years ago and we were supposed we had this huge structure of like okay plans for next year tv year, TV shows that we're going to go on and all that. Went into this conference with the whole team

and we spoke about OnlyFans for two hours. Oh my God. For two hours, thinking, going to the point where like, should Miles do this? Oh shit.

Wait, so who came to the decision to say no? To say no? Yeah. I did. Because of your relationship thing? Yeah.

At the time, I actually wasn't thinking of that. I was just actually wasn't thinking about I was just like no way I would just be more about what my parents think like what my dad would like wouldn't care Could they come across it without having a subscription? I don't think so because apparently you can't release it if you like release something you Go to prison basically you get a sentence yeah because it's um it wasn't in the uk now we there's a new law if you send analysis i mean you know more than we do it's a legal thing now so you can't do that so there aren't any nudes that anyone has of me you can't

leak them you will go to prison you will go to prison don't you seriously don't mess with miles no please don't. I mean, one thing that we really wanted to touch on today was the topic of male eating disorders and males who struggle with bad body image. Because obviously Millie and I have spoken about this a lot before and it is very prevalent amongst women. But we never really speak about it from a male perspective and uh we actually did some research and we found some really interesting statistics i mean we say

we emerges well yeah you can take all the credit for this this is what i did yesterday millie was having a hard day okay she's moving house so i'll let her um so i'm just gonna read out some of these statistics because i was really shocked yeah it's so bad um okay so despite the stereotype that eating disorders only occur in women about one in three people struggling with an eating disorder is a male and subclinical eating disorder behaviors including binge eating purging and laxative abuse are nearly as common among men as they are among women 25 percent of normal weight males perceive themselves to be very underweight and 90 percent of teenage boys exercise with the number one goal being to bulk up and get bigger yeah true and then this these two statistics i was like wow oh my god yeah males represent 25% of individuals with

anorexia and sadly they are a much higher risk of dying in part because they are often diagnosed later since many people assume that males do not have eating disorders and then another stat from beat eating disorders found that males face extreme barriers in getting help for eating disorders having to wait nearly three times as long as females for their GP to make a referral. 28 weeks as opposed to 10. Wow. 28. Yeah, it's shocking.

That is a lot. And it just goes to show how much men are suffering with this in silence. Because, you know, they don't talk about it. And unfortunately, that is the stereotype that men are stronger and aren't gonna suffer with these things. But also I think there's so much that, in the fitness industry that's called gym bro,

the culture of that is very disordered but it's just so hidden and masked. And it's just seen as normal, do you know what I mean? I think men in general, to do with with anything we have to hold it in we have to so bad uh we find it hard to talk about it if we're feeling down we hide it we deal with it we're on our own we don't need anyone it's really sad because like in my my boys group we are so open with each other now and like we talk about anything and everything um and we've made it a really big point and we've said if anyone is feeling sad like we'll joke around with each other and you know boys are boys and we will take the piss out of each other and that's how we say we love you that's that's literally how like to say like i love you

bro it's like calling you a pussy like that is what it is and but then there's um it's hard for guys because i think there's there's in every boys group there's a role you know there's the victim there's the alpha there's the leader really i Really? I never knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you. All three. No, but I think if any boy says that, like if any boy group watches this, that's a lie.

It's true. All right. You naturally fall into one of those things. Yeah. But I think it's interesting because I actually don't know any men or mates of mine who've gone through eating disorders. I know a lot of females. I know a mates of mine who've gone through these disorders I know a lot of females I know a lot of friends who've gone through it as girls but not as men but do you think that's because they're just not opening up about it um yeah probably yeah 100% I think the only

thing I know is body dysmorphia for men yeah it's horrendous it's terrible yeah body image like we've touched on it before there's anorexia and then there's a term bigorexia bigorexia it's horrendous it's terrible yeah body image like we've touched on it before there's anorexia and then there's a term bigger bigger yeah it's bigger bigger it's like a term for when guys feel like they're tiny and skinny you're not big enough i deal with that every day that's the thing every day i feel like people aren't aware that you might be struggling with that so do you know do you know what's funny like a lot of people would go oh you look in the mirror and you're like flexing it's like like we don't flex go oh yeah tricep is amazing i mean a little bit but we go because we're like oh i need more size there and the first thing i see is like okay i need to work on my short head i need to do this

like everything just body checking oh my god constantly and like it's funny because we me and my mate were talking about the other day we like three months ago we'll post a picture and we're like i need to get bigger i need to do this and even more shredded and then three months goes down the line and we're looking at ourselves now and we look at that picture we're like oh my god why wasn't i happy all the time how was i not happy i'm looking at the picture i look amazing and you'll never and i it's funny because before i went into training i was not in shape i'll show you a picture it's terrible i was not in shape um how long ago is this four years ago five years ago yeah yeah five years ago i was not in shape i was like puppy fat um but i had i didn't

i didn't look in the mirror going oh i don I don't look good. Yeah. I can't remember one time thinking to myself, oh God, I need to go to the gym. Whereas now, it's worse. Yeah. A hundred times worse. It's because when you fixate on something, it just gets worse and worse.

Yeah. You're always fixating on that. And you're always trying to make improvements and get better and better. So you're always thinking about what you can be next without appreciating how you look now and you compare yourself

yeah oh yeah you compare yourself like okay how many in the last five years fitness influencers right

and it's really hard and I think for men what's hard is that a lot of fitness influencers aren't steroids oh my god most of them are they're huge

they're huge so when you're training and you train probably as hard as them the hours and everything, and you don't get their results, you just go, what the fuck's the point?

I don't want to do this anymore. This is what I'm saying. With the female fitness industry, it's so spoken about, but just no one's been part of the men's industry because it's just part of it. You girls are strong to do what you do. I've seen both your transformations. Matt, I saw yours just before coming i was like what the fuck yeah like

two opposite ends yeah like complete opposite i think why you guys match so well like wow yeah like amazing to get from where you were to hit now super healthy and like strong and yeah it's it's a long that's that's a journey because i can say oh yeah i was not in good shape and you know i had probably fat but i wasn't bad yeah i don't know i couldn't even imagine how mentally that would have been on me yeah like it took how long did how long was your oh my i mean i lost a lot of weight over like two years and then i started like getting into the gym building muscles yeah can i ask you a question, what was your, when you were at school, you put a post up and you were like, I liked it because it was like if everyone at school could see

me now, like on the beach and mum would be like, slay, slay, slay. And like at school because it's really weird like bullying at school i got bullied all the time yeah but i got bullied for different reasons i never and again this is like when i was a kid i never really saw people as shapes and sizes that's interesting yeah i mean i did you feel like it was very did you go to school feeling like okay i'm i'm the odd one out right now no i didn't i i actually got turned on and i started getting bullied because i stuck up for someone who was getting bullied oh my god and then they completely turned on me oh so they went to you so it wasn't like a direct like oh she's fat we're gonna pick on her it was because of what i did and then I think it was more like they were doing anything they could yeah so they took my weight and my size but in

it wasn't really much of an issue until the bullying like made it so apparent to me and just you know like bullying is horrific oh my god it's like I can't even explain how awful it makes you feel like I didn't want to leave my house um fuck now so in a way like it's like it's good i'm back because unfortunately those horrible comments like kind of pushed me to start my fitness journey but like i'm so glad i did because i got so much out of it yeah yeah no definitely no well done yeah well done babe i mean i feel like fucking hell it took way too long for me to like realize that i needed to do something about my situation yeah um yeah yours is incredible as well but like it it's it's so weird because i think no one spoke about weight gain when i

needed to like when i gained weight i didn't see anyone talk about it. I mean, obviously, it would be, like, the odd few. Also, if, like, women, and it's only now it's kind of normal, well, people understand it more, lifting weights doesn't make you bulky. No, I know. Oh, my God.

Like, men and women are very different. And, like, eating protein, like, I've got girls now still on the shows, like, no, no, I can't eat this. And then when they go,

like, I need to lose weight, like, Emily, she's my best friend, I love her. And she'll do a few classes and then she'll just, it's really unhealthy. What does she do?

But she just won't eat anything and she'll like, have soups and like, she'll have like a pad thai maybe. And that's it. And I'm like, you need to eat protein. Yeah.

And she's like, no, no, no, because I don't want to be like this. I'm like, you're not, you don't have that body,

you can't get like that. Yeah, literally. Just because you're lifting a dumbbell is not, you're not going to be, if that was the case, oh my God, I'd be in ridiculous shape all the time. Let's talk about that.

Like guys find it hard enough to build muscle and they're lifting all this heavy weight and eating so much food. They're struggling. Girls do not have anywhere near as much testosterone to build anywhere near the amount of muscle that guys have. It is hard to build muscle.

So girls, if you're listening and you're scared to lift weights it is not going to make you bulky also to lose fat the best thing i i would say this now because i'm going to cut at the moment so i'm like i'm starving um apart from last night someone out uh but the best way to lose weight is to lift weights yeah fuck the stairmaster you're burning so many calories when you lift weights and as long as you're in a bloody calorie deficit yeah there's no good or bad foods like there's no do you know what is with calorie deficits i think it's thrown around because oh you've got to do it people don't understand it and i know this is this can be a little bit triggering me because i didn't realize there's a trigger until i posted about it i i'm like calories my food right now i'm counting calories

and i'm looking at everything yeah and i put it post on my instagram and people like you know this is really hard for me to look at and all that i was like whoa i didn't realize that was yeah i'm telling you my experience i'm not saying count your calories yeah but to understand a deficit you have to count calories yeah because you don't realize i didn't realize there was like 300 calories in a banana so many calories but like there's so many things that you don't realize unless you count them but yeah i also get it from a point of view of like if you've struggled away seeing those numbers can really freak you out yeah it's so interesting because like for me,

knowing calories has helped me gain weight. Yeah. It's like made me not fear, I don't know, like pizza and a salad, like they could be the same calories but I just always deemed pizza as like, oh my God, health food, that's gonna make me gain weight instantly. So like this whole thing with calories on menus, it's been like such a hard thing.

Obviously, yeah, you probably love it right now because you're carrying calories. Oh, I love it, it's great. I'm like, oh, I know what I need. But I just, I can't make up my mind. I'm just really neutral towards it. I'm like, is that like? I think it's really good for people who are not in fitness,

who are more aware, because I think a lot of people are shocked when they order food and they're like, oh my God, even in Wagamama where where you think it's actually quite healthy because it's like pho and all this kind of things like a thousand calories for chicken pho or whatever it was it's like that's a lot of calories in one meal yeah you know especially like so okay so women what do they have to have per day roughly oh my god it ranges it ranges but there's but I think people underplay it because a lot of girls think, oh, I only need 1,000 to 1,500. I'm like, no, you don't.

You need about 2,500 at least at the starting point. And then obviously you can work out what you need depending on what you want to do. Yeah, I think it's good because like what you were saying, you might go out for dinner and you want to pick the salad because it's healthy. But then when you actually look at the calories, that salad might be a lot more calories than the pizza which you actually want to eat so it can be

helpful if you just have to look at it from like a really neutral perspective rather than like attaching like feelings and emotions towards calories and numbers like it can be a really helpful tool for like a calorie deficit like yourself but if you're not the type of person who can look at numbers without getting upset or you know triggering you then it's just maybe best for you not to do that yeah ask the waitress or something yeah is i i'm gonna this could be real i don't want to go too controversial here but so i love watching controversial stuff on TikTok. So if you look at my TikTok now.

Andrew Tate. I actually wasn't going to go for him. But yeah, him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a woman, I can't remember her name. She's ginger. And she's like, not anti-feminism, but she's a feminist. But she's anti the new feminism.

I can't remember her name. I don't think I've seen that before. She's kind of like the the female fashion adri tape but less harsh and she was talking about um weight loss and then she was on a podcast for those people and these women were like you know uh talking about how there's so much more to factor in just losing weight and she was kind of saying you know you you at some point have to take responsibility of what you're putting in your mouth. Do you agree? Do I agree with people taking responsibility for what they put in their mouth?

Do you agree, yes, and also do you agree that there is more than just, okay, what I'm eating? Oh, I think... More than what you're eating. So your hormones, your pale. There is so much more to food than just the taste and the calories and the macros like food can quite literally be medicine and this is something that i'm like looking into more lately because i've been struggling with my hormones i had a miscarriage um and i'm so sorry no it's okay

and then since then i've been like you know doing a lot more research into like how food can help your hormones. And I've been implementing a lot more foods like healthy fats for that purpose. So I think that's very true. Like food is a lot more than just the taste, a lot more than just the calories. Is she saying it's not? Yeah, she's like, she's really blunt with it.

And it's weird because as a part of me goes, hell yeah. I completely agree with you. Okay, I'm interested. I get, I like, I get annoyed because I'm disciplined. Yeah. I wake up, people go, how do you get motivated? I'm not motivated. Oh my god, yeah.

I'm motivated maybe once a week. Yeah. If that, I don't go to the gym every single day. Yeah. Me going to the gym is like brushing my teeth. I don't think about it. I just do it. It's not a chore.

And I do it because i yes aesthetically i want to look a certain way and i have body dysmorphia to an extent 100 but i also do it because i want to be healthy i want to be fit i look at people who know in the 50s and 60s and i'm like oh my god you can tell you just don't do exercise my dad is nearly 70 and he swims in the sea every single day and he's fit and healthy and for me as an example is okay cool i post pictures i look good whatever it's also kind of advocates like get in the gym get that discipline doesn't matter if it's 20 minutes a day if it's 10 minutes a day whatever start walking start doing something be get your blood flow moving and the whole thing

about it's hard for me because I know, like in family, I've got people in family who have problems with, you know, weight and all this. And it's not because what they eat, they're super healthy, but they can't technically lose the weight because of other reasons.

But at the same time, I'm also quite passionate about when I see people who don't do enough and don't have that discipline to like, go to the gym, eat healthy. And and when i say eat healthy it does not people go i eat salads oh my god that is not easy no that's what we're all about like showing like being healthy and living this active lifestyle is not restrictive and it can be so fun and balanced well i mean look at your bodies right you've got phenomenal bodies and then then, you know, you do, you do. If you have any fans, I will subscribe. But you have phenomenal bodies. And if I look at your page and look at what you post,

like what you had this morning and what you eat on your Instagram, I'm like, you girls eat really tasty food. Yeah. Like it's not boring. It's not salads. It's not like a thousand calories a day or anything like that. But, so I'm getting really into this. But do you think to start somewhere, you have to be a bit more strict before you get to the stage where you you can you understand food more now so you can kind of play with the food eat

easier because i think you have to start somewhere where it's like okay i kind of need to be a bit more strict with like not rules but there's some sort of script to follow i i think unfortunately humans will always have this all or nothing mentality and especially if they're new to it yeah and it is really hard to break that so i get what you're saying maybe for someone to really kick start their journey they kind of have to like do a bit of a a bit more of a 180 on their habits and lifestyle and go a bit harder. But I work with my clients through this and I genuinely think the best thing is just slowly implementing small little changes to your daily routine, like going on a walk

and adding more vegetables to your plate or drinking more water and then slowly building up from that. I do get what you mean there. Everything you just said there is the first thing that helps with diet yeah drinking water recovery recovery man yeah so bloody rest days come on you don't grow your muscles in the gym no literally recovery is so important so talking about that tell us a little bit about like your gym routine

your fitness like rest days training days what does your fitness routine look like and would you say you're straight with it yeah i feel guilty if you like no i used to i used to i used to be really bad like so i can't i don't know where to begin i don't know how much i can talk about this. You know what? I've never really been open. So I had a trainer called Waz. And he, five years ago, four years ago, five years ago, he got me into training. So before I trained, I was, it was my first year in Chelsea. I was a party boy. I was getting drunk. I was doing other things

a lot of it and it was constant it was party party party party and I like every weekend every day every day every day it was out out out out and I didn't have a life I was but I also had come out of a relationship so I think I needed that I was I needed to break out of it. A bit of freedom. And I remember calling my then manager Hannah Lambden which I still to this day absolutely love she literally kicked started my career and I called I said I was hungover I had two hours sleep and I was like shaking because I was super anxious. And I was like, I'm not this. I had this feeling way too many times.

And I called, I said, look, we need to get me out of this. I need, I want to box. So it wasn't even training. I was like, I need a box. I want to start boxing. I want to get fit in boxing. Because that's why, I don't know why in my head, I was like training, boxing. That's the one thing.

I said, you need to get me a coach because if I don't, something's going to happen to me and it's going to be really, really bad. And she calls this guy called Waz and meet him. I spoke to him about him. He's like 6'1". I've met him before. He's massive. He's huge.

And I was there like, I was like this skinny kid. I was like, I did no way. And he said to my manager behind, not in front of me, no way am I training a Chelsea boy. We spoke for 10 minutes and he became my brother. Like, like every,

I was like, this guy is amazing. He's like the coolest dude. Super nice. We started training. We did boxing in the beginning. And then he said, let's do weights.

And I just, I fell in love with weights. I was like, this is my thing. Training my thing training feeling the pump yeah i didn't even know what it was i was like my body had never trained so i was like this is amazing newbie gains oh my god the best games yeah and uh it was amazing but the thing i didn't realize is that he kind of um to again i would like to say for the record massive respect to him uh i still have a lot of love for the man uh for what he did and how he helped me unfortunately we parted ways and we're no we're no longer in each other's lives um but he did a lot for me in that fitness kind of journey and helped me become the man i am today but the problem that he did is that he

kind of implemented his own ways on me so how he trained was the way I needed to train. Okay, got you. And it was so strict. If I had a sip of wine or drink, I'd panic if he found out. If I went out, I'd panic if he found out. He would make me feel shit for doing that. And in a way, when I think about it, I'm like, that was way too harsh. But I also kind of thank him for

it because i needed it i needed someone to be like don't you dare go out yeah i quit smoking i didn't drink for three months i trained i did a transformation with him and it was amazing um but i know i didn't really know what like i was just discovering like i like training that's it and i didn't have a program and then i got another coach and i got a strength program and that's what i do now it's my favorite thing i love lifting weights so it's still lifting weights so lifting heavy heavy weights and then i got into this i didn't mean to bulk i he was just telling me like you have to eat more calories if you want to lift heavier and it was the first time I've never had body dysmorphia. So I was...

Really? So you're after gaining weight? When you're eating more and strength training is when you don't have body dysmorphia. I got to like 86 kilos, like big and not shredded, just big.

And you felt good? I was doing like nearly 200 kilo deadlifts. I was just training heavy weight. I couldn't believe it. Back then I used to do hypertrophy i used to do this was the worst thing i mean look again train as you want but i used to do five sets 15 reps for every exercise yeah oh my god and i would get injured all the time yeah

no wonder and i can't even do like four i struggle at four yeah exactly now i'm like three to four five eight to twelve reps yeah yeah yeah controlled, yeah, yeah. I'm controlled. And now I love that. But now I'm in a cut. Like my body's four feet back. I'm like checking my knee all the time. Ah, see, that's it. All the time.

Are you always cutting and bulking? Like are you ever maintaining? I'm always maintaining normally. Oh, okay. The first time I ever bulked was last year because I started training with a coach. And I didn't even mean to bulk. There was no plan of me bulking.

But also the biggest thing for me is I'm on TV all the time. That I was gonna ask you about this. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about this. Like, do you feel a lot of pressure to always be looking your best? Yeah, they want my top off all the time. They tell you to take your top off?

I get annoyed. They're like, they have to sign a waiver. Yeah, I have to sign a waiver saying you're allowed to, I'm allowed to be semi-nude. What, just you? No, me and someone else. it um but other boys as well but yeah they would but so do you feel like insecure when you do that i mean so insecure that i got surgery for my nipples i was gonna ask you about this as well because i was going to say like what ignited that um i didn't like i'm not going to lie i didn't notice anything about your name no one no one does so it's funny because i actually didn't the surgery the initial surgery was supposed to do didn't actually happen because when he put me under he realized he didn't have to

go through the nipple he had to go he can go through the side right wait so you got put to sleep and then he decided no well he told me you're like yeah no he told he told me there was a possibility that we wouldn't do the first surgery and i said that's fine just do the one i trust the doctor so do what you want um and there's videos there's a whole video of like him pumping out my nipple oh my god no did you watch it back yeah my friend My friend was in the theatre room filming everything. So you just changed nipples? No. So that's the thing.

I call it nipple surgery but it was gynecomastia surgery. So gynecomastia is normally to do with steroids or when you go through puberty and it's your oestrogen levels when you're a kid and mine didn't go away when I grew up.

So a lot of men have it but no one really talks about it. Yeah, a lot of men have this. It's like a lump behind your nipple, and it's hard mass. Wow, I didn't know that. So it's not fat. Loads of comments are like, oh, all you have to do is cut weight.

I was like, it's got nothing. I could get shredded and I'd still have it. It's got nothing to do with fat. So how long had you wanted to get that stuff? As soon as I started training. Wow. Because I didn't notice it before. Oh my God.

I started training, and it was weird. When I i wear certain tops i could see my nipples doing different things i hated it i'd have to flick my nipples before shoes this is mad i never knew this was a thing and i feel like did you get like a lot of um like people like shocked about you doing this and yeah i got a lot of hate. Really? Because they were like... I don't know if you get this. I think you do, probably. People look at your life and go, you live the best life.

You're in amazing shape. You've got nothing to worry about. You've got nothing to complain about. And in some way, yes, I'm very fortunate to be in the position I am. But I still have things that i don't yeah 100 everyone does it's like when people go the rich on uh you know don't have depression i'm like yes they do i've got a lot of rich friends and they are the most like depressed people i know money doesn't bring happiness nothing it doesn't it helps don't get me wrong but it doesn't bring

happiness um but yeah i uh i when i did it everyone was like your nipples were fine you don't have any shows yeah but then the reason why they're fine is because the pictures you see i flicked my nipples you don't know what i do yeah like i'll do a story and i realize i'm shit i have to do it again and i'm like yeah oh my god no i think as well like this kind of brings it back to like how the male and female, you know, like how females are more open to speak about like their body dysmorphia and their issues. Insecurities and stuff, yeah. Like, I feel like it's so common that girls will get a boob job and breast surgery. Yeah, definitely.

And people don't like, people just. Bat an eyelid. Bat an eyelid. It's so normal. Whereas you've essentially had the same thing it is it's the same surgery it's having

surgery on your boobs your nipples your chest like it's the same thing but yeah there would be so much more attention because you're a male

and you had it yeah yeah but why is that but it's funny it's like I say it with I see this

this short guy thing right they call them short kings there we go and I say it with, I see this short guy thing, right? They call them short kings. There we go. And I feel bad for guys who feel really insecure about this because we don't say a thing about girls putting heels on

or putting makeup on. No, we don't. You can go to a club and a girl will do hold up she looks amazing yeah but then at the end of the night she'll wipe it off and take her heels off yeah it's almost like a different person not all the time but like a lot of girls in london do they put a lot of makeup on and they wear these heels and they're super tall and it's like these guys don't you can't put heels and also it's like it's hard for a guy like if a girl girls always laugh at guys like oh my god he's wearing like thicker shoes or whatever

and it's like well you're doing the same thing yeah double standards double standards yeah i love short king yeah i don't see i honestly don't see any problem with height like this is just another thing like why should men be taller than women? Like that's just so old fashioned. Yes, true, but I don't think I could date someone who's taller than me. Because naturally for me, and this goes back to what we were talking about before,

a man, right? And the man's role. And unfortunately, I don't know if's going to disagree with this and if you can disagree if you want it's absolutely fine but i think a man needs to be a man i just do i think what what is cast as a man oh god okay anyway lovely seeing you guys i don't want to be cancelled um so oh god obviously like this is such a tough... Okay, sorry. Can you, like, change my voice? Oh, yep.

So he does not want you to talk about it. Oh, what is a man? Because that's the thing, like, what is a man? So I saw, do you know Dieran... Oh, no. Dieran, he's mates with James Smith. Oh, yeah. Dieran something. On his podcast sometimes. he did um he does

he's doing this at the moment it's getting a bit controversial but he's going to people on the street and being like uh what is a woman what is a man interesting and he went to these builders and i loved it what they said they were like what is a woman no what is a man i know he said no what's a woman he goes and they're like on the lunch break and they go, a pain in my ass. And I just thought, brilliant. And then he's, what is a man? And it was interesting. I don't want to quote it because I'll get it wrong,

but they were so simple about what it was and quite nice. And it wasn't like category, like a woman's like this and all that. But he said there would be no men without a woman. Oh yeah, right. And I love that. I love that. There would be no men without a woman oh yeah right and i love that i love that there would be no men without women yeah yeah and i thought it was really simple so what is a man a man is whatever you want a man to be right like i my definition of a man is what i've grown up with knowing at school what my dad taught me that is what i know what a man is yeah a man if you want it to be something different that's absolutely fine but what I don't like at the moment

and this whole thing about you know women and men and transgender and all these things is like people implementing their opinion on you and you have to agree with it no matter what and I that I hate if you are so for example like recently this is an example one of my close friends and I'm not gonna say his that I hate. If you are, so for example, like recently, this is an example. One of my close friends, and I'm not going to say his name because he actually has, he doesn't know this

because I haven't told him. Out him. Julius Caldry. He, the Queen's death. I went to the gym. I post stories. I did pay my flex

and he messaged me, he goes, buddy, this is really insensitive. You should post, delete all your Instagrams. And I was like, my dad's Caribbean. Do you know what happened there? I don't agree with the monarchy.

I respect the queen and I think she was an amazing woman. I really do. But at the same time, I don't care about the monarchy. And I've said it before. I'm happy to kind of say that. But I don't disrespect it. If people believe in it, it that's great yeah amazing and if you felt really sad i you know it was an amazing thing there's amazing time for the country and the nation amazing but don't put your belief system on me yeah yeah yeah and i i don't agree with that yeah definitely and i said

to him i was like i'm sorry i didn't say so i was like i'm gonna do what the fuck i want don't you say that to me ever again and it's and it's the same thing with this whole men and women thing it's like respect your opinion as long as you're not being hurtful yeah and trying to like didn't demean someone or be aggressive or rude believe what you want i think this is the problem with like today's day and age is like we are over exposed to people's opinions like we're not used to this like platform where we can literally see everyone's ideas everyone's beliefs like everything and like we don't even know what we what we believe sometimes oh yeah like i don't even i'm like what do i believe in like i don't know because i'm like i'm affected by other people's beliefs i'm affected by

like my dad and mum and also the pressure of like having a social media and yeah that's also plays into it so much i've got a question for both of you then what the reason why i would ask what do you think is a woman because i think you're what you're promoting in your platforms fitness for women and what you're doing for women does that play a part of like what you think a woman is i think a woman is it's a hard question it's hard isn't it it's a hard question i think like i think just strong and empowering and like can stand up for themselves i think that's what we are trying to help women become because that's how all women should feel you should i don't think women should feel weak or no we want women to feel strong and powerful yeah and like equal and equal to men okay what does that mean though equal to men

oh god we're really getting deep into the song well no because it's like well pay okay yeah yeah that's definitely equal yeah yeah i guess Like, I think there's a lot of female business owners and, like, successful women who are still treated differently by certain men. Not all men, just certain men. So I guess that needs to sort of, like, change. I agree. It is.

But again, like, this is not generalized. Like, it's not generalized like it's only to it's only just specific people that still may need to sort of like understand that women are just as equal do you do you see you do you see you girls as like do you do you think you have a bit of old- in you? Like ways of thinking? Like men paying on first dates or something? Men paying on first dates, men proposing, men paying for going on holidays, men making sure when you have kids that he is the main kind of income.

Yeah. I don't. Okay, cool. I always split the bill. Okay. Unless the guy's insisting. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just you? Okay, cool. I always split the bill. Okay. Unless the guy's insisting. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, okay, whatever.

But I'm not going to say no. But the proposing thing, that is interesting. Because I don't think I could propose. Yeah. No, I don't think you could either. But I think that's mainly out of just fear of rejection and embarrassment. Well, my ex proposed to her boyfriend and he said no so oh i didn't watch that yeah but good on her like insane yeah do you think about women proposing to males i disagree completely

do you it's our thing you think yeah okay i actually it's what it's it's our thing as a man it's our thing yeah because, because when we propose, we don't care about marriage. Yeah, that is true. We do it for you. You want to be in a dress. You want the party. The wedding, everything.

That is something that you've been dreaming about for maybe years or whatever. And I know that for my family and friends. For us, I've always said to girls, and I said it to my ex at the time, I was like, let him do it. It's our thing. We think about where we're going to do it it's our thing we can't

when we think about where we're gonna do it what room we're gonna get like the moment and it's like it's our thing that we want to cherish

the most so don't take it away from us yeah that is true but each to their own yeah on a leap year you can do your thing I almost said you can

on a leap year what do you think about paying on dates then would you like insist so this is how this happened literally I almost said you can on Alifia. What do you think about paying on dates then? Would you like insist? So this is how I, this happened literally. I didn't even, it wasn't even a date,

but I mean, it felt like a date after because it was my friend from, I hadn't seen her at school. We just went for a coffee. But at the end I was like, oh my God, were we on a date? Yeah, yeah. I had this very similar experience, like not even that long ago.

You never know, right? She, at the end she was like, oh, it's on me. And I was like, no, no, don't, I not even that long ago. You never know, right? She, at the end, she was like, oh, it's on me. And I was like, no, no, don't, I'm going to get this. Right. And she said something

that I always say, which was great. And she goes, no, I asked you out. Okay, yeah. For me, if I ask you out, I don't,

if you don't ask to split, I don't, I'll never see you again. But if you ask, sorry, I'm pointing at you, like you're going to, if you don't ask but like if um if i take you out and i say i want to take you out i'm taking you out if you

say can we split i love that it means that's really thoughtful but don't get don't worry i'm getting this because it's more like but if you like if i asked you out amazing it should be my responsibility to pay. But my issue is now girls, and this is not all women, but like my mate was, he stopped dating this girl because he was fed up. He was like, it's my sick day and I'm paying, I'm paying, I'm paying.

And he was like, mate, I've spent like nearly a thousand pounds on this girl, just going out on dinners and these things. And she wouldn't, she wouldn't, apparently the bill come and she would like, kind of like look away and talk about something. Oh no, that makes you cringe so much no that's very old-fashioned and she then ended up ghosting him oh yeah so she's really taking advantage oh yeah she got what she wanted she

got her meals oh that's not nice she got a free dinner she got free dinners six so spit the bill uh if offer always but i think the way it is if you ask yeah you'd pay if they ask they pay what's your worst dating story oh yeah we love a bad date story oh my god um would you say quite the data no not really not anymore i used to be um i i don't really have... Wow, if you don't have a... I have a date where I was like, get me out of here. Yeah, okay, we've all been there. This girl, I was supposed to go to this event and then this girl was going,

because this PR booked us both and she had messaged me after. She was like, oh, I thought you were coming. And I was like, I don't know who you are, but no, I wasn't. And then I was like, oh, you're quite fit. And then I was like, she was quite young. And I was like, don't go on a date with someone who's like how young we are okay i didn't know so in my head i assumed right i was like you assumed that she was your age no i assumed she was like 22. uh-huh right

i was like okay that's good age 22 is fine and we go on a date i bring it to like the mexican mexican restaurant you know fun margaritas, great. She arrives and I look at her and I'm like, oh fuck, you're younger than 21. She was 19 and she had just turned 19. How old are you? I'm nearly 27. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, I can't do that anymore. And we started talking and I was checked out. I was like, no way. And then she's also, then, oh God, I hope she doesn't watch. She'll, fuck. She won't watch. She won't know. They'll realize they checked.

She's kind of like becoming an influencer now, so. Okay. So she'll know who it is. She'll be in the industry. Well, I'm sorry. But she started talking about like her father owns like this cemetery like business where you, in Italy you,

instead of putting them in dead bodies and holes, you put them in the wall. Dead bodies and holes? Yeah. So they're burying them? Yeah. Oh, okay. So it's in the ceramic, like, walls.

Right. And it's a crazy business. Like, they make loads of money off this. It's like the joke. She was telling me, and I was really interested by that, but it was like a two-hour conversation about it. Oh, okay, yeah. And I yeah you're zoned out already especially when you already know it's not going anywhere oh no no a little bit too young yeah and she dragged out the day like we we were the last people in the restaurant it was closed they're like we're

closing i was like thank fuck yeah that's that's the only way out yeah god what about you guys do you have a bad dating story oh my bad dating story we'll bring that one up again met a guy for a drink and then he was like you hungry do you want to get food and i was like okay and we start walking and he's like i know a really good dessert place they do like the best pancakes and i was like okay so we start walking and he's like should we just get an uber it's easier. And I was wearing heels. So I was like, okay, we'll get an Uber. Get an Uber. About 20 minutes later, I was like, okay,

how far away is this pancake place? And then he looks at me and he goes, okay, so I've just ordered the Uber Eats. So by the time we get back to mine, it should be, it should be there. So he like enticed me back to his house.

Cheeky. It's like, it's like, wow. Did you go back? I have to. I'm too nice to be like, enticed me back to his house. Cheeky. It's like, it's like the- Wow. Did you go back to his? I had to. I'm too nice to be like, what the fuck? You're too nice.

So what happened? Did you eat the food and then- So we got to his house and then conveniently, your breeds like, canceled the order. So he was like, I'm gonna have to order it again. So I had to sit there for like an hour, just like awkwardly on his sofa. It's like the candy catcher, what do you call it? Candy his sofa it's like the candy catcher what do you

call it you know the candy catcher in um yes in what you call it i know what you mean but it was literally like that like candy catcher i don't know oh my god the really scary guy oh the horror movie uh candy man no i don't know you're saying the candy catcher who the hell is the candy catcher it was very clever but did it work no i'm just i don't know that one i thought i thought you said did you bang bang that's what i thought and then i realized you went you know bang bang no you did bang, bang. In that movie? In that movie. And what happens in that movie? Is it the candy catcher?

Oh my God, I'm crying. Is it the candy catcher? The candy catcher. Oh my God, no. Oh God, anyway, carry on. But yeah, that is definitely my worst date story. It worked. It got me back to this house, but like, yeah.

I left as soon as I could. Okay, never do that. My worst date story is literally just like wanting to check out straight away. Yeah. But like, I have been on quite a few dates just out of guilt I hate saying no No, you learn say no. I know. Yeah, it's actually kinder to them if you say no, do you like dating? I I feel like you do like I feel like your secret data because on your Instagram you're a secret dater because on your Instagram, you're like, you're too

like, you know, cooking my food and going to the gym and like, oh, I'm at home in the apartment. I'm doing all this. I'm like, yeah, she's dating. Don't lie. How do you ever get that? How do you get that? I can just tell like you're dating loads.

Get that vibe. I do like a date. You do like a date. I do like a date. But I have. Do you kiss on the first date? Yeah. I do like a date. You do like a date. I do like a date. But I have... Do you kiss on the first date? Yeah. I do.

Straight in there. Yeah. I do if I like him, obviously. I have kissed one guy just because out of guilt. You kissed a guy out of guilt? Yeah, but there's been other times where I've had to dip. Yeah. Oh, God.

But that's so awkward. So I can't do that. That's traumatising. Do you kiss on the first date? Only if it feels so awkward, so I can't do that. Like that's traumatizing. Do you kiss on the first date? Only if it feels right. Yeah, if you get the vibe. But it's so different,

because obviously you're the guy who goes in. Oh, are we? What, have you had girls go in and? I've had girls go in for the kiss, yeah. And have you dodged? I've dodged, yeah. Right. I had to dodge.

This girl was like, she held me by the waist, and I was dodged i've dodged yeah right i had to dodge this girl was like she held me by the waist and i was like what are you doing and then she was like outside and she she came in she was like so this was so as she was talking she was getting closer and i was like oh no no no she's so lovely this so and she was going like that and i was like well and i went the other way to kiss on the chair so nice to meet you get home safe text me or never and then she DM'd me for like weeks it's when they don't

get the message yeah it's just when it's like come on come on anyway I think we need to wrap up the podcast yeah sorry

yeah we have been talking we have been talking we didn't even really touch on Chelsea no just answer us this how much of it is real

I knew this was gonna everyone wants to know everyone wants to know of it is real? I knew this was going to happen. Everyone wants to know. Everyone wants to know. It is all very real. It is like, I can't, I'm not that much of a good actor to be able to cry on TV. Like, like it's, it's, um, I think people forget it's constructed reality. Yeah. So it's not scripted.

No, there's no script. Do they like do you turn up to like a set and then yeah to like a restaurant and then they're like you're gonna be doing this today we won't know who we're filming with really so they'll be like okay come to this location they'll tell the other person comes to the location it'll be like sit down depending on the story at the moment so like if i let's say i was dating someone and i needed to talk to my best friend about it i'd know i'd film my best friend saying oh this is what's happening yeah but then if i have an argument you never know what's gonna happen and they're

savage why are they so savage though i ripped my mic off recently like the new season that comes out and i don't i don't even know how they're gonna air this but like I ripped my mic off and walked out I was like fuck do you think it's like the pressure just builds up and then it makes you get to that yeah that angry yeah would you just usually just get really angry no I I'm quite I defuse yeah but there's there's one kid on there that I just can't stand. Can we have a clue who it is? What does it begin with, the name? It rhymes with Ez-a. Oh.

Or, well, that's what people call him, or Ez. Oh, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I basically said it, Rez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. And so have you said where you're going for the next filming no yeah i'd get screwed to be fair i was on a tiktok live and i'm really i'm very good at media trained right i'm normally quite good at it and i just was like yeah i can't wait to go to beat that

and i said it everyone was like you're going to do I was like oh my god everyone ignore what I just said oh that's the thing though that's bound to happen like surely other people have done that as well well they'll know next week because we're all gonna Instagram

yeah yeah yeah how long are you going for? five weeks is it nice to go on holiday for free? it's not holiday is it not? honestly there's parts of it

it's gonna be amazing because we're where we are but like when we did the Mallorca series it was intense filming every day you get a break here and there and it's

you're tired you come back from the holidays all you want to do is like have another one I actually think that's really interesting because obviously as a viewer

people would think you're just literally getting filmed having a holiday but it's work oh yeah but that's the same with being an influencer

people are just like oh they're just moping around doing nothing like there's a lot of work to it yeah there's a lot of work to it it's like i might so charlie who just came out of love island he used to always be like oh god like he used to have like a corporate job chilled yeah and he did a first day of shoot with me and i was helping him out doing some shoots, pictures. Like on Main Chelsea or just like? No, just for himself. Right.

And jobs with like a campaign he was working with and blah, blah, blah. And I think the shoot was like six hours in the day but I don't really think of it as a six hour shoot. It was like we took some pictures, went home, did some reels, did some TikToks and all that. At the end he was like, bro, how do you do that?

I'm exhausted. Yeah, it takes out of you. Yeah, 100%. I guess every job has its peaks, but also lows, right? Do you find it weird that people now want to become influencers, though? Yeah, I find it scary as well. Because you girls didn't. No, no, no.

It just happened. We did not plan it. Yeah. It just happened. Oh, my God, yeah. Do you think there'll be CVs to become an influencer? Yeah. Yeah.

I actually think it's going to be a main job job for people of course in like five years time people are like kids are going i want especially when you see these youtubers i want to be a youtuber i want to be i want to be this i want to do that and like yeah but you know like in is it japan or china where yeah they've got um like a university degree or something yeah to be become like yeah you learn how that's mad to learn to be a like oh my god yeah no that's scary to become a content creator but then it scares me as well because it's like it's becoming so saturated yeah there's a new influencer every bloody every day and the sad thing is like obviously not everyone can be an influencer but it seems like everyone wants to.

Do you find it hard, both of you, knowing that there is so much competition constantly and you have to, do you get to a point where you're organic, what you do in posting, not like you're scripting it now, but you're thinking, okay, I've got to do this trend or I've got to do this now to make sure that I'm still relevant. I definitely need to use trending sounds, but I wouldn't say a trend.

Like what sort of trend? No, when I say trend, I'm just saying as an example, do you feel like you just, you're more focused on what you need to post because you can get forgotten? Yeah, 100%. And it's hard to maintain that alongside a full-time job as well.

And like always stay up to date with the constantly changing algorithms. Oh my God, it's hard to maintain that alongside a full-time job as well. Yeah. And, like, always stay up to date with the constantly changing algorithms. Oh, my God. It's so frustrating. Like, doing that and a full-time job is hard. Yeah. Because, like, you have to, like, we're relying on people's opinions, but also, like, the updates of the apps, which is just stupid. Oh, my God.

These updates, the algorithms, all this. And these, also, what annoys me the most are these, these TikTokers man, who have just killed it. I know. I'm like, why didn't I get on that before? I remember when it came out, I was like, I can't be arsed to do TikTok. Literally.

And I wish I did. I was like cringe. Cause they are killing it. Yeah, I know. Like they are killing it. How much money do you think they're earning like i follow this german kid called jacob something and he's like these they're like the german lift boys and they go in the lift and they look into the camera oh my god i hate it right but my god he's a good

looking guy i look at him like man you're good looking i get why people watch you yeah but it's the cringiest thing i've ever seen because it's like when she sees you from the airport and they're just like so bad i did it once i did it it's actually someone's no i need to don't look at it i need to see no no it's so bad i had like i like wet my hair and everything and i did it got loads of views though it got so many views like oh i get it i should maybe do that but yeah no they're kidding it and they make like hundreds of thousands yeah with their deals and then they're all like doing these um they're smart like these big brands are now taking them as models and like yeah yeah you know the guy who points at things no no the guy and he's like he will there's a video of someone trying to do something really stupid and then he like opens the socket and he's

like oh and that's how you do it and then he points in it oh i have seen it he's on hugo boss now yes i have seen it hugo boss yeah yeah he's the main model for them now with anthony joshua well it's like emma chamberlain she does like yeah every single designer you can imagine skater wow you should wrap up wrap up this i mean this has been a really interesting very interesting thank you so much no worries thanks for having me have you enjoyed yourself i did i could talk for hours i know i feel like we can yeah i think you're gonna smash it with your podcast yeah yeah little plug yeah playtime comes out wait when does this come out next week next week so the week after well actually sometime it should have come out tomorrow but it's not okay oh yes it's wednesday oh yeah so next week sometime playtime yeah come play with us

on spotify apple music everywhere is it going to be on youtube yeah i felt like we need to get on the youtube hi youtube just the main main format and then instagram we cut down version and tiktok will be clips and you're doing it with Charlie Charlie Raj the worm the worm man the worm from Love Island there you go search him up on YouTube it's hilarious it really is

you would hate that but yeah please do it was trending on Twitter I think for a while is it fuck it up anyway thank you Miles thank you

thank you guys thank you guys for listening and we'll see you next week bye bye next week bye