Real Girls Radio - EP 19: Zoe Antonia - PCOS, hormones, cycle syncing, gut health and going through break-ups

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Grab some snacks and chillax whilst Emma and Zoe chat ABOUT...PCOS - A hormone disorder affecting 1 in 10 women! This is a topic that needs more awareness and it was an honour to have Zoe on the podcast to share her struggles and how she manages her hormones. We also chat about gut health, overall hormone health, cycling syncing, being an "influencer" in the health and fitness space. Plus, we touch on balancing health + fitness with FUN and partying, finding a purpose in what you do and both of our very recent break upsThis was such a fun, light-hearted yet educational/ eye-opening episode! You guys are going to love this oneconnect with Zoe: https://www.instagram.com/zoeantonia__/?hl=enconnect with Emma: https://www.instagram.com/emmafituk_/?hl=enconnect with Milly: https://www.instagram.com/millyg_fit/?hl=enThank you so much to each and every one of you who listens and supports our show. We are eternally grateful to all of you who share us on your instagram stories, rate/ review the podcast and share with your friends lots of love x xSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/e-1-the-unheard-truth-of-millys-journey. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello, everyone. I hope you're all having a good week. So today we have a very special guest on the podcast. Hello, everyone. I feel like we have been needing to have a chat, just in general anyway. Yeah. So it's so fun and exciting to actually get you on the podcast

because I feel like there's so many different topics to actually get you on the podcast because I feel like there's so many different topics that we can talk about 100% and we've got so much in common yeah so much literally like we've just sure I understand yeah so we don't understand babe right I will turn off my apple um but yeah we have so much to talk about and I am so like invested in your journey and I've loved kind of watching the transition that you've been through on the social media oh god it's with your health and fitness journey so we will definitely get all into that um but do you want to give the listeners a little bit of like an introduction about you your background your journey yes it's quite like a big open I know god it's been a journey um so I'm Zoe um I do Instagram content creating and I mainly do like

help women with PCOS hormone imbalances because I suffer with PCOS myself being a journey so that's why we're here to chat yeah help some ladies hopefully and just yeah get rid of that overwhelm because I know how overwhelming it can get all this hormones it's such a complex topic so and I just want to say before we get into it like I really do find your content and your message so inspirational and just like kind-hearted and like you can see how much you're trying to help people yeah and you're very open about a lot of things I think I'll be afraid to talk about or and admit especially on social media so I think what you're doing is really powerful thank you

I think like women's health can be so taboo sometimes and it makes us feel like we don't understand our bodies and like we're not taught about our own bodies and we're just like all these things that are going on are they normal are they not yeah so it's crazy so confusing yeah I think like it's nice we have social media for that sort of sure yeah and you're definitely using it in the right way I hope so thank you um but anyway as always on the podcast we'd like to start with a flop and a fly so do you yes I have listened to the podcast before so I've got a little bit of knowledge about how we do it cool okay so do you want to start with your flop flop so bit TMI but I started taking a supplement for my hirsutism so

I suffer with unwanted hair growth because of my PCOS and I've been taking it for a few months and it's made me really constipated oh no yeah and my skin's like really breaking out and obviously your skin looks great to me I've got like a bit of makeup on but like here it was worse but like here and here just that jawline actually that's quite hormonal um and obviously digestion of skin so related and yeah just like feel so you know you just feel like constipated ac mae'n eithaf hormonol. Ac yn amlwg mae digesiynu'r llyfrau'n gymaint yn ymwneud â hynny. Ac mae'n teimlo'n groes. Yn fawr, mae'n teimlo'n groes. Yn fawr, mae'n teimlo'n dda. Iawn, felly rwyf wedi cael y pwynt yna lle rwy'n teimlo'n fawr yma ystod y wythnos.

Rwyf wedi bod yn dweud, o ddewid, beth sy'n digwydd? Rwy'n deimlo pan fyddwch yn cael ymddygiadau hynny ac yn dweud, o ddewid, pam mae fy ngadol yn gwneud hynny i mi? Ond rwy'n meddwl bod rhywbeth yn gweithio â hynny. Felly, ie, mae fy flop yn... Ychydig o flop, ie. Ychydig o'n ychydig yn ymddygiadus ystod y wythnos. like oh my gosh why is my body doing this to me but I definitely think it's got something to do with that so yeah my flop is a bit constipated this way. Not ideal. What about yours? Okay I'll start with my flop. What's that? I basically trapped my finger in the leg press at the gym and it caused like a big black spot on my finger this is a week ago I just think it's gonna be here forever oh my gosh that just looks really odd I know it's like a bruise it was like a pinch on the leg press and it I don't know what but it looks like I haven't cleaned my hands oh Oh gosh. But yeah, that's like,

does it hurt? Yeah, it really hurts. So like when I'm typing, I have to not type with this finger. bless you. And it's just, hopefully it'll go soon.

Not ideal. They're machines, they can be, yeah, they're literally like, I've seen some tragedies on the leg press. Oh gosh,

don't. They can be dangerous. Yeah. But it's just me being stupid, trapping my fingers. Yeah, sounds like something I'd do, to be fair. Yeah.

Okay, what's your fly? Fly. Do you know what? I hated winter. I used to always have such a negative view of autumn, winter. I was like, oh, it's cold. I hate winter fashion. I don't hate winter fashion,

but I feel like I don't know how to dress myself up. You prefer the summer. Yeah. Oh my God. I feel like summer,, not I don't hate winter fashion, but I don't, I feel like I don't know how to dress myself. I prefer the summer. Yeah, I feel like summer, I can wear denim shorts. Like I'm literally, my fashion is at the moment, denim and a white top. Yeah, you're just saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? And like, I've always just like winter it's cold and like,

but I'm embracing winter this year and I'm actually really enjoying it. It's like a time to just slow down, you know? Yes. Just take time out for yourself and just like do wholesome things like cook stew yeah I've seen on your Instagram all the recipes you've been cooking they're like really wholesome so like just doing little things in the autumn and winter that just make it so much better yeah although I am going to Tenerife in astod y wythnosau i gael ychydig o sain. O, da. Ie.

Pwy fyddwch chi'n mynd yno gyda? Fy mam. Ie, mor ddiddorol. O, mae hynny'n ddiddorol. Ie. Beth am chi? Mae fy flyt yn eithaf topigol i'r hyn rydyn ni'n mynd i siarad amdano. O, ie.

Felly dydw i ddim yn gwybod os ydych chi'n gwybod llawer am hyn, ond rwyf wedi cael rhywfaint o ffwrdd â fy hormonion dros y diwethaf diwethaf ac bit of uh wobble with my hormones over the last few months and I had miscarriage and since then my hormones have been not good and I've been suffering with like a lot of symptoms that I've never had before yeah um and I know this is something you're passionate about but like when I went to the doctor they didn't really oh my gosh don't it actually yeah yeah they just told me to go on the pill oh I can't deal with that it's actually actually angers me so much yeah we will definitely get into that topic in itself but I didn't want to do that like I did not want to go on the pill um for other reasons and I just felt like they were like disregarding all of my problems and just telling me to like get over it and eat healthy oh my god literally they just tell you to eat less and move more yeah yeah

which can be so like detrimental yeah so my fly is that I have actually reached out to a hormone specialist that's such a good yeah and I mean it's it is it can be expensive, which is another, like, huge barrier and why this is such a big problem for women. But I decided to go with it, and I had a really good consultation meeting with her yesterday. And even in, like, the hour and a half that I spent with her, like, she taught me so much about, like, intricate things with our hormones and, you know, has already has already like given me so many tips and things to help and I've got some tests that I'm going to be doing so that's so good like

just understanding what's going on yeah it's it's kind of that like because what you were saying it can be so confusing your hormones and what they're doing and what they should be doing and what is normal to experience what isn't normal it's really good to have some like validity and explanation as to what is going on and definitely you know like someone who can support you and just trust in you that you're gonna get like get better and feel better and everything yeah yeah oh that's so good though i've spent so much on naturopaths and have you yeah i think do you know I think that you're it's great that you're getting testing because like although you've got symptoms and you can sometimes

diagnose things from symptoms alone like the best thing the best thing is to just figure out what's going on so that's oh I'm so excited to hear about your results and everything yeah I mean we can definitely like go into how you kind of got diagnosed with yeah PCOS I mean I think I read on your Instagram it was about six years ago oh yeah god I think I was like 17 really yeah so yeah about six years ago now okay yeah so quite a while but I mean I I do know quite a bit about PCOS but I'm I'm not at all like an expert in it or anything like that um well you've um worked with so many yeah I'm sure yeah some of them have it don't they yeah of course like it is so prevalent amongst women I think like one in ten women have PCOS and it's like one in three

have hormone issues hormone issues yeah it's mental So I did a little bit of research and yeah, I found out that PCOS affects one in 10 women. And like you say, one in three women have the kind of like symptoms and struggles with hormone imbalances. And it's one of the most common female conditions that can have significant reproductive, metabolic and psychological effects on women so it really can you know quite take over your life oh my gosh 100 percent like because our hormones control so much of our body like our mood digestion gut like skin sleep everything metabolism like it's just crazy how much it can affect like mentally and physically you know for sure

um and there's obviously so many symptoms that come along with PCOS but the most common ones and obviously feel free to add to this yeah um excess facial and body hair difficulty falling pregnant menstrual irregularities difficulty maintaining a healthy weight and insulin resistance yeah definitely did you find that you were suffering with all of them or a few of them so I had the obviously the hirsutism I did get really irregular periods that's what sort of sparked my diagnosis the irregular periods and the hair unwanted growth yeah um but I had a really bad struggle with sleep um and like just energy like really just low energy and just not having that sort of like get up and go for the day um I lost my period but I think that was mainly due to other issues

which you can come on to um but yeah that was my main sort of thing but I think all of these symptoms just like are a catalyst for these sort of like emotional and sort of self-conscious really like heart you find it hard to be confident yourself because you're not confident in what your body's doing for you you know what I mean of course yeah so okay tell me how you actually started to get into health and fitness because from what like I've like I followed you for years yeah I followed you for ages I feel like I know her I was like well Emma I know when I came in I was like I feel like I just know you yeah like I actually feel like we're already friends yeah yeah yeah I know it's crazy um but yeah I have followed you for years and we both have like a very similar journeys I would say definitely I like from what I perceived your content has gone very much from

being more like fitness and aesthetic driven yes and more about like how you look to now how you feel and more of like a wellness definitely feeling good kind of mentality so like how did you initially get into fitness and what like made you want to start sharing your journey and like focus on improving how you look so I've always been into sport like as I was a young child like did every sport under the sun um I was like doing figure skating at one point and then my mum was very into the gym mum was very into like gym like she had a bit of an unhealthy relationship with food okay um and then so I sort of followed in her footsteps but I remember I went on holiday and I just remember this really vivid memory I went on holiday and this guy said that I looked like

a gymnast and basically was like you look butch and I did like weight train when I was younger like really young like I've got about in like year 7 Wow did you yeah like just like doing body pump and stuff like that I and that just really hit me and then I remember I got back and I'd a festival and I just started doing these slim fast shakes and I think less like I think I didn't know I had no knowledge of that and I think that sort of like was the start of me really wanting to like become like skinny and just like wanted to change my whole body yeah and I think some people when they start out in their fitness journeys they think oh I'm using food and

fitness as a way to change my body but they like we forget about all the other benefits you know yes um it becomes so tunnel vision on just how you look in the mirror yeah definitely and then just I sort of was posting like fitness content, a bit of fashion back then. And I was just like, this is just not like sustainable for me, like to post fitness and sort of fashion. And because I was dealing with all these symptoms and stuff, I find it really hard to keep up. So I just thought we need to build awareness for these topics and stuff. So did you feel like you were almost having to like hide a lot of your struggles and your insecurities to play this kind of role on Instagram? Yeah,

definitely. But you almost didn't feel aligned to it because you were hiding back a lot of your problems. Sure. And I think like, especially with Instagram, like a static photo just show, I felt so fake.

Like I was posting this, these photos in my, in my nice bikini in my underwear like being all sexy and I was just like this is just not what my life is about you know and like I feel like I built a big male following at the start of my sort of Instagram journey so like I did find it hard to sort of you know change my message yeah but I feel like you just evolved don't you yeah such like your passions just change and stuff yeah but yeah like I just really want to like build awareness with this topic because it's just not like hormone imbalances hormones just aren't spoken about enough they're not you

know yeah I actually think that's really um powerful that you did decide to make that change because you know similarly to me when I started my fitness Instagram at first my male demographic following was so much higher than what it is now and like I really did have to change my content and my messaging yeah and stop caring about likes and engagement literally it's like I it's crazy because I look back at my um views and stuff when I was posting like my bum and like yeah and I just the amount of views and likes and it's just like is that what that's about now like is it about showing your body and stuff like I don't know it's just it just didn't sit right with me at that time although I do post you know like a bikini photo and stuff but like at the time I was just like I feel like I'm so much more than that and like just going through

that really big transition of like where where my body I just at one point I felt like my body was my only source of confidence oh yeah I know how that you know I mean and like especially I had a really bad breakup and I just was seeking external validation from men and I just was trying to keep up with this body and then all just was not sustainable for me to keep up with um no that's that's so good yeah because you know at the end of the day like these likes and engagement and reach you know it can give you like a huge boost but it's so short term and it's so meaningless oh exactly whereas what what you do now like of course like it's fine to post a bikini or underwear picture like I'm so for that but like

if you're if that's all you're posting you kind of feel like your self-worth is caught up in likes from males on Instagram that's what I literally felt like I'm just getting all weird men going like oh oh it makes me sick like just okay what's the weirdest message or thing you've received on Instagram um do you know what it's not weird but there's this guy who's just like literally in love with me um and he just says his name give him a shout out john hi john you give me life babe um no he's just so nice like he just says to me like he sends me these massive long paragraphs about how like my hair growth shouldn't stop me from oh it's just Mae'n ymddangos i mi yma'r paragraffiau hir mawr yma am sut na fyddai'r tywylliant fy ngwaith i ddim yn fy nôl.

Mae'n ddiddorol iawn. Oh, gobeithio. Ond ymwneud â negesion anodd. Ym, dim ond... Ychydig o bobl piggi'n cyllid, chi'n gwybod? Yr math hwnnw. Ie. Mae pobl yn gofyn am sgwyd.

Ie. Ac, dim ond, chi'n gwybod pan... O, hei, baby. Mae fy ngwleidydd yn edrych yn dda. Dim ond, dim ond, dim ond. um socks yeah and like just oh you know when they oh hey baby my baby girl looking nice just like no the honestly i dread to think looking back at my instagram some of the comments oh what about you okay i don't actually know if i can say the full level of the extent of the message i received once it was a video let's just say the video involved um three screens with different pictures of me on and two printed out photos of me and something else happening oh my gosh no ended on pictures of my face oh my you're joking that's awful okay no I've never had that that's really bad I know it actually

scarred my life after that I was like I'm not opening any video that comes into my message request yeah oh I thought a willy was bad on the no no no oh god yeah I'm sure people have had worse I think that's pretty yeah but I I do think we're doing ourself a favor by moving away from just the underwear bikini pics of like a one-line caption yeah but I think like now we we have more purpose with our yeah you know like we have a message like there's something we want to get out and like I think social media has become so toxic and like using it for a platform for good to share value I think that's just you know and it gives you more purpose yeah and like the messages when you just get like ar gyfer gwerth i rannu gwerth. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n dda. Ac mae'n rhoi mwy o ddyluniad i chi. Ie.

Ac mae'r neges pan fydd rhywun yn dweud, rydych chi wedi helpu fi iawn, rydych chi'n gwneud rhywbeth dda yn y byd. Felly ie. Iawn. Felly gadewch i ni siarad ychydig am, pan fyddwch chi'n hapus i siarad amdano, beth o'r math o bethau roeddech chi'n anodd yn anodd gyda'r hyn a wnaethwch chi ddod i ffwrdd i gael help ac yna, chi'n gwybod, cael y diagnoes o PCOS? Felly, fe wnes i anodd gyda'r hirsutism.

Roeddwn i'n mynd i... Ie. Ie. Ie. Ie. Ie. Felly, mae'n ymwneud â chyflawni cerddoriaeth anwant mewn meilion fatern, fel yma, i bob lle, yn ymlaen. Nipleu, bwm, to fawr, i bob lle, yn ymlaen. yn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn mewn me So yeah, that, just being like a really hairy gal. And then irregular periods.

Yeah, and that was like what, you know, how I got my PCOS diagnosis and the cysts on my ovaries. Yeah. So that's how I got the PCOS diagnosis. And then I went on the pill. Went on the pill, did have a boyfriend at the time. So, you know, like it was handy for me, like as a contraceptive.

And then I came off the pill and everything just got so much worse. Came off the pill, lost my period. have a boyfriend at the time so you know like it was handy for me like as a contraceptive and then I came off the pill and everything just got so much worse came off the pill lost my period mainly due to under eating going through like that sort of phase um would you be able to talk a bit about that yeah yeah of course um so I I you know I literally, I think Millie said it before, like, I just can't remember a lot from that time. Yeah. Do you feel like that? I feel like that too. Like, it's actually scary.

Like, it's just a blur. But all I remember is, yeah, so I had a breakup and I just thought, like, I had no confidence. And I thought, oh, the way I'm going to get confident is to change my body. And I just, I thought like, oh, becoming the best version of myself, like that's how I would become the best version of myself. Yeah, I think we really need to change the narrative about this like glow up, post breakup.

Yeah, oh my gosh, 100%. You don't have to lose weight. You can still glow up without having to get skinny and lose all this weight and they're the best kind of glow it's the ones that are internal you know um and i remember like i took i was just taking like these um natural herbal supplements that suppress your appetite yeah and like i remember just uh really counting calories like like going 1,000 calories a day. I think I did that probably for about three years.

And like I think your body just gets to a point where it shuts down. And like so I just couldn't sleep, I had awful sleep. Like I was just wired and tied constantly, had no energy. My skin was breaking out and I just thought, I haven't got a period, this is you know like you need to do something yeah so I went to see a naturopath and like forked out a lot of money as you said like it is quite expensive and she said to me like you're too skinny to be getting your period back

like she was like looking at my Instagram she was like I can see from your Instagram like you're obviously a very like attractive girl but you're too skinny to be getting your period back and like I just don't think that's a nice way to say no that you know what I mean because the thing is that like a lot of the time your weight isn't necessarily correlated to you not having a period of course it can play into it yeah but like it can be down to inflammation it can be down to so much and some females are naturally a lot smaller in size and they was that that will be healthy for them and they will still have a period some people lose their period due to stress or you know other health conditions it's not just because oh you're too skinny it's a really black and white way of thinking about it

and obviously at the time I was a time I was holding on to this body that was just not sustainable for me. I was like, I think it was like a stone and a half lighter than I am now. Wow. And I just was holding on to this body and I just couldn't let go. So I was in denial, in denial.

And I think after that conversation, it still took me about six months. I was listening to podcasts. I was reaching out to people on Instagram who were like very um knowledgeable in the field and they were basically saying like you need to be eating over 2000 calories so I heard about reverse diet and then that's where I sort of you know started this journey where I was like my health is so important yeah and like these stresses that we're putting on our body it's just not worth it yeah for a body type or for to look good so that's sort of what prompted my

PCOS journey and starting to like really like understand my body and just work with it rather than against it yeah definitely yeah and I just want to say you look great oh yeah I like you look glowing like you look so happy yeah I feel so much better good just it's crazy like you just put your body through that yeah yeah okay so what kind of things did you actually change in terms of like your lifestyle your exercise your diet I mean I know there's so much yeah but is there any like key things that you switched or changed or yeah completely you know 180 in your life um so I don't like to say that I have a specific diet because you know it's not like a stripped calorie you know like that sort of thing it's not like that at all so I don't i don't go by calories or anything anymore um i go by like blood sugar balancing yeah so it's so so good even for

like people who don't suffer with pcos but it's just so so good for like your energy levels like maintaining like um like just steady energy levels throughout the day sugar craving so that's something i really like implement now like blood sugar balancing so every meal I have protein fat fiber and then making sure I'm not skipping meals just like having and that all them nutrients you know getting all those nutrients in rather than going on like low calorie diets and focusing on the calories it's all about the quality of the foods you're having you know um so that was massive adding adding healthy fats in I was so scared of fat I yeah I think we need to talk about this yes I quite often have a lot of clients who come to me and it does actually tend to be

um usually older clients I think because they've been kind of brought up in the generation where like fat was evil yeah like you know fat makes you fat when oh my god it like your brain is i think it's 60 fat yeah well your hormones are made out of fat yeah it's building blocks you need fat to be healthy like fat does not make you fat no where does this come from like even my mom says now she's like yeah um made this really nice um i don't know what it was eat a mess it's really low fat i'm like i don't i want it to be high fat yeah give me the fat yeah obviously healthy fat yeah you know but yeah i just think fats are so important for women like every meal make sure you're getting a fat avocado olive oil like i remember i used to be scared of olive oil

like fry light i'd be like mom what did you put on my chicken? Was it fry light? You know? But now I'm like olive oil, like just, and I love eyeballing it. Just like, you know, almond butter. You shove it on the porridge. So yeah.

What's your favorite fat to eat? Almond butter. I could literally eat it out of the jar. I buy a jar of Pippa Nut almond butter every week. Like, can you please sponsor me, please? I want chicken. Yeah, what about you dark chocolate oh dark chocolate oh yeah i actually love it so much i i prefer it to like milk chocolate i think once your taste buds like change yeah eating dark chocolate like and it's so good for um periods like pMS, so good. Oh, yeah, 100%.

And I think, you know, a lot of people, I know so many women who cut fat out of their diet completely and then they wonder why they have, like, such bad hunger and, like, energy crashes and, you know, their blood sugar all over the place and why they get cravings at night. And it's because you're not eating fats. Like, fat is the most satiated macronutrient. and it's so it's full of so many nutrients as well like that you some are like

you can't get from other yeah you know yeah oh that's that's really good yeah and um oh i'm trying to think of any others um yes blood sugar balance healthy fats sleep yeah so you just made like small i guess improvements to the choices of foods and the quality of food you're eating yeah definitely and did you notice like a big difference from doing that i i i feel like it's hard to notice isn't it because i feel like you when you make all these changes at once it's hard to pinpoint exact things helped but i do feel like i feel like my skin is a massive indicator of my health like especially my digestion and my gut yeah like i feel like just adding so many more nutrients in like your zinc magnesium so good for

skin um and just like not having like sugar refined sugars like i do notice when i have them foods i just do don't feel great like i feel quite sluggish my skin breaks out um so yeah i guess i've noticed in that sort of sense as well yeah that's really good but the blood sugar balancing a hundred percent do you just feel like you have that steady energy yeah the day literally i felt i feel like i don't know if it was partly because, you know, I wasn't eating enough as well, like, that could have fuelled it, but I literally feel like three meals a day, one snack,

because my meals are so nutritious and they have, like, fats, fibre, protein, I just, my energy is so sustained, I'm not, like, getting those hangry attacks. This is exactly what, like, I encourage all of my clients to do. Yeah, that's so good like three healthy balanced meals yeah it's just good protein yeah yeah exactly going back to the basics yeah I think sometimes we can confuse all these different things like how we eat and stuff but

just three meals a day with one snack yeah okay cool and then in terms of your training and your exercise I I think I saw on your story the other day how like you you've kind of had to deal with like a bit of like a ego hit where you've gone from you know smashing your training lifting crazy heavy weight and you know going to the gym every day to now like kind of working more with your cycle and your your hormones and you know not always going so high intensity all the time definitely because I feel like especially stress is such a like big thing for hormones and like our brain is like think of them as like hormonal headquarters like if you're in a really stressful environment your brain's going to send like all these mixed

messaging down to your other hormones and it's just going to cause like these different symptoms so I just feel like I was training five times a week weight lifting and like I do enjoy I really do enjoy it and it's like yeah I've sort of had to take like an ego thing and just be like just chill you know because I just it was not good for my body pushing it 24 7 in the gym like I've been so guilty of having this mindset where I go to the gym and I'm like let's destroy my glutes today but let's just like you know fuck shit up yeah go hard yeah and I just needed to come away from that and just be like right I need to take care of my body with movement as well and especially like cycle syncing like it's something that I've just really got into

recently yeah tell me tell me about this yeah so basically it's just supporting the rise and fall in your hormones during the month so unlike men women we have like a 28 day cycle or however long your cycle is whereas men is like 24 hours yeah so like we're constantly changing changing we're not ever going to feel the same every day so like honoring that is just going to make you feel so much better your energy is going to be sustained you're going to have nicer periods. Like you'll just feel like, and I literally since doing it, I just, it's, I feel like it's so fun as well. Like it's like experiencing all different seasons in one month

because that's what they call like, they call like, you know, the winter season's like your period. So it was like, you know, off your literary phase, like feeling all good. But yeah, I've just been really enjoying that and just sort of stepping away from that mindset where it's like you've got to push your body 24 7 the gym and I think that was kind of like me having both strength and aesthetic goals whereas now I'm really focused on just like overall well-being like and health yeah and get movement like pilates and going on

a walk in the morning like it's also movement but it's also really relaxing and just really good for your well-being I love that yeah so yeah I just feel like it's made me feel like feel like I'm well-rounded person rather than just smashing weights in the gym 24 7 and you're not going to the gym as a means to an end aka like to build x amount of muscle to your glutes yeah to look a certain way like definitely it you do it because it makes you feel good yes healthy and it's beneficial in so many ways besides just like your appearance definitely and that's so good that you you know, you've found that sweet spot now where you can, how many times do you work out now or do you just genuinely listen to your body?

Yeah, I do cycle sync. So like in my luteal phase, which is just before your period, and then menstrual phase, I just tone things down completely, like Pilates, literally. I just had to pick up like 4kg dumbbells. Like I'm used to picking up, you know, like sometimes 15kg.

I'm like, I just pick up the smaller dumbbells. Like those sort of workouts. And then when I'm in my like, you know, post-exercise phase, yeah, I like to do three weight sessions. One, do you know, I did a heavy glute session the other week and I did go a bit heavy and I was like, oh God, I need to tone it down a bit.

So it's all about understanding your body. You know, it's going to take time. But mainly like three weight sessions a week, which I used to do five. So three weight sessions, like circuits with like little weights, more like functional stuff. And then Pilatesates a walk nice just well-rounded it's more fun isn't it i love a walk yeah i actually do it's my favorite you know i

love it and i feel like i used to put all my energy onto my into my workouts and i was like oh i just it's nice just you know listen to your body and just yeah relax yeah i mean like years ago probably like four or five years ago someone said to me walking is good for exercise i'd like laugh at that in that oh my gosh so like walking's not yeah i was literally like that i was like no if i'm not sweating smashing out weights getting like then there's no point yeah but i used to come away from my workouts i don't know if you've ever had this like i just used to come away from my workouts, I don't know if you've ever had this, like, I just used to come away feeling, like, depleted of energy. Oh, yeah. Like, just no concentration for the rest of the day.

I'm like, like, I do think building muscle is so important, like, for recovery, for just overall health, you know, like, having good muscle mass is so good, but I feel like I've got that already, so, you know, I'm just focusing on maintaining that and just chilling out yeah a hundred percent like I don't know I think so many girls and guys get caught up in like the bodybuilding lifestyle but like that's the sport that yeah literally a sport is that for their career yeah it's

not something you can also do whilst also living like a normal yeah full-time job life with health so hard to sustain yeah because obviously we do it partly for our jobs you know posting fitness content online i kind of thought is this i just don't think this is sustainable for like the normal people yeah like two hour workouts day yeah two hours one hour and a half I'm like cutting mine to a one hour now yeah that's what I do I go into the gym I've been seeing that actually like 45 minutes done yeah I actually make it like um like a goal with myself like can I cut my workout by one minute yeah yeah but it's crazy how much more time you can get back in your day

by going into the gym putting your phone on airplane mode yeah and just like getting it done exactly like rather than just i used to just like be on my phone and like be talking to people and like wasting time but i was so bad with that yeah yeah no more than an hour if it's more than an hour then i would just lose motivation yeah no i'm like hour i feel like that's if you get a walk-in as well nice yeah perfect yeah three fourth times a week just like sustainable like little easy things that you can enjoy yeah and that's the thing like to be healthy and feel good look good like it really is the basic like fundamental thing yeah yeah going on a walk like walking if you're on a fat loss journey like walking is genuinely like one of the best things you can do to like bump up your calorie burn and you know lose a

little bit of weight if that is your goal rather than doing these like horrible high intensity like workout videos and stuff I think it's like I always think like once you have the healthy lifestyle the aesthetics take care of itself. Yes. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Like you just got to do all the things that are going to make you healthy. Because I think sometimes we push ourselves into getting these bodies that we desire,

but they might be unrealistic for some people. Like I know my sort of size for me is like a six to an eight. Like that's normal for me yeah but any lower than that that's just not what my body can you know no sustain no okay and then in terms of like other things that you've done or added into your life to help you manage your your symptoms even I guess like your skin and like the hair growth like what are things you've done to help you that might help other people who are struggling with the same thing and so I think skin is massively to do with like your gut health so I've been really working on gut health like I always used to have really bad food

intolerances like obviously dairy and gluten some people do genuinely find them really hard to digest or some people like find them inflammatory but like I'd eat onions and garlic and I was just so it was so bad like my boyfriend my ex-boyfriend would be like if like we'd go around his house and he'd be like he'd be like to his mum no onions in Zoe's food like So I pick the onions out, make sure there's no onions. Because I, it was really bad. Like it was really awful. And that was a sign of really poor gut health. Like you know? Yeah. And no one speaks about these things. Did your ex-boyfriend like tell his parents why? Yeah, yeah. It was like, it was so fun. No, it was fat.

Onions and garlic, like whenever we'd go out for dinner, he'd be like, are there onions in there? Make sure there's no onions please. Oh my God. Yeah, and then started working on my gut health and I started bringing back onions in and I'm fine with them. Oh wow.

Yeah, so like those sort of things it just goes to show you like how powerful your gut is yeah um and like so yeah I think gut health and skin massively interconnected like yeah yes my hormone doctor was talking to me about this yesterday she was showing me like a web of all the different kind of parts of our health and our hormones and our bodies and how they are all so intricately linked. And especially like your gut and your brain, the gut brain access. I read a book on this

and it's so incredibly interesting like how your stress will directly affect your gut and then your gut will be affecting your stress and then it's like a cycle. 95% of serotonin is produced in the gut. I find that so interesting. Amazing, isn't it? Gut health is happiness, guys.

Look after your gut. Yes. So yeah, massive for the skin, I think. And then the hirsutism, I won't lie, I have not been able to get control of that. I just, I don't know what's going on. Like, I feel like I'm really, like, connected and understanding of my body with a lot of things,

but this is just, I don't know. How old were you when you first started getting that? Well, the weird thing is, I went on the pill, and I went on an anti-androgenic pill. So like Yaz and it suppresses your antigens, which like cause these sort of things. And when I came off the pill, I started getting these hairs. So I don't know if there's any correlation. I've read up some books and some people say there is, some people say there isn't, but there's no definite answer.

But yeah, spearmint tea twice a day that's what i do um the blood sugar balancing will help like reducing insulin spikes with the hirsutism all stress it's just like all interconnected sort of approach but yeah that's something that i'm really trying to figure out myself so don't have all the answers yeah no i think it's so incredible that you're sharing the current journey and the struggles that you're going through. Like you're not saying you've got it all figured out. Like you're being open and honest about the fact, like this is you and like this is your struggles

and you're real and you're just opening up about it and you're gonna help as much as you can. Like it's so brave of you to do. I think acceptance is like really key. Yeah. And like knowing that you might have to deal with this for the rest of your life. Like, key yeah like knowing that you might have to deal with this for the rest of your life like so sort of knowing that and just realizing that oh acceptance yeah oh yeah

it's you just need to accept it and do your best to work with it and you know love your body and help it get through whatever struggles it's going through definitely oh. Oh, I love that. And this is a bit of a touchy one, but like have you experienced any hate or like negativity on social media? Do you know what TikTok is brutal? I swear to God. It is like a, I don't know, it's really like a scary place for content creators.

Like I've just had mainly men just being like, oh shave, like why don't you shave? Like, oh you've got your beards hairier than mine. creators like i've just had mainly men just being like oh shave like why don't you shave like wow really like oh you've got your beards hairier than mine like what the fuck yeah just comments like that um and you know i'm like why is john persis just like a keyboard warrior at the end of the day but you know if someone else saw that i it would make me feel upset for them and it's like even like this one comment really stuck in my head it was like oh this is miss wilcox miss wilcox um has this um and they were like laughing loads of

laughing face and i was just thinking oh my god i bet that's like a poor teacher who's got like dealing with this and there's loads of school kids like that really makes me sad like thinking that's actually happening um so i think just bringing people like the whole world aware that this is a genuine hormone imbalance yeah it's not like it doesn't it doesn't make you any different no it's literally your hormones yeah like it's a hormonal issue that one in 10 women struggle yeah yeah yeah so we need to normalize it yeah definitely oh my god um so in terms of your like career and your like I guess your overall goal and your mission and what you want to do like tell us about that because what you're doing right now is amazing and I'm I'm hoping that you

will continue yes um so I'm currently studying to become like a holistic health coach so that's like just like resolving these issues with like just diet changes like all these sort of like holistic well-rounded approaches um so hopefully helping women with their hormones PCOS specifically hoping to launch that like next year oh my god you heard it here first yeah um so yeah just at the moment I'm just like studying like getting as much knowledge as I can um so that's the goal really and then I feel like I'd love to help women with menopause like my mum's going through the menopause at the moment and I'm just like oh I want to help you that's another thing isn't it completely different good women really have it

hard I know with hormones yeah literally and would you know i hate i'm just going to talk about this right now men on social media who have like a big social media following um who harp down everyone's throat that it's just a calorie deficit i cannot deal with this there's one account who do we i think think we're on about six yeah there's one account on Instagram on TikTok and I had to unfollow him because I just thought I can't deal with this like approach like to women especially it's just it is so ignorant yeah like there's so much more to calorie in calorie out like especially like even not just people on social media but doctors yeah I went to see a doctor and I actually don't really struggle with the weight gain side I do

put on weight quite easy but I don't really struggle with it um and they just tell me to cut carbs and like for someone who's not actually you know that's so detrimental yeah and like especially if you're not educated and you know you may have heard before that carbs are evil and then you've got a GP telling you yeah you need to cut out carbs that can spike a full-on eating disorder exactly it's like this calorie in calorie out i've been listening to so many podcasts about calories in calories out because obviously you know for weight loss it is it's important and it's obviously like at the top of the like pyramid for like fat loss but it doesn't take into account ond nid yw'n cyfrifol am faint o formon, stres, ysgrifennu, a ffactorau bywyd arall yn gallu effeithio ar y cyfweliad hwnnw

ac mae'n cael effaith mawr ar ei fod yn syml. Yn union. Pan fyddwch yn mynd ar ddau calori dynol, nid ydych yn cael y nwynau sylfaenol sydd angen i'ch cofnod byw. Yn ymwneud â'r holl ffitaminau a'r minwau. Ie. Ie, mae hynny'n fy nwylo. Mae'n wir. Ac un peth arall sy'n fy nwylo yw'r meddygolion yn presgraffio'r pil a'r drws.

Ie, gadewch i ni siarad am hynny. Felly, beth yw eich profiad gyda hynny? Oherwydd rwyf wedi gweld, rwyf wedi gweld ychydig o fostiau, rydych chi'n siarad am faint mae'n eithaf yn ffrwythu chi. Ie, rwyf wedi cael hynny'n fawr y diwrnod. Nid ydw i'n ffordd go iawn, ond y diwrnod y diwrnod yna roeddwn i'n gweld I got really annoyed the other day. I'm not really a feisty person, but the other day I was just hearing all these women telling me their stories, and I was just like, this is just ridiculous. Yeah, so I actually did go on the pill for my PCOS. I thought like, oh my God, this matters. I was like, this is a magic thing.

It got rid of my acne, did get rid of my astism, because it's going to, because it suppresses all them androgens. Yeah. But when I came off, everything just came back even worse. So it's like the pill doesn't fix your PCOS, it just masks it. Yeah, it's a temporary measure. Yeah, and I feel like it's just thrown everything.

I just feel like GPs, they don't look at this whole well-rounded approach with stress, diet, all of this stuff. They just wanna throw you like a magic pill or like for example, I went to the doctors about my insomnia and they knew that I had a past with PCOS and they literally offered me antidepressants. I was just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. Like that was my final straw.

And then I was like, no, I need to, you know, take my help. Yeah, yeah. Into my own hands. Have you had, well, didn't they tell you final straw and then I was like no I need to you know take my yeah yeah it's my own hands how do you had well you just didn't they tell you to go on the pill yeah I've had it a few times I mean like when I lost my period a few years ago no it's quite well ago when I was like 21 22 I lost my beer for over two years and when I got it back I was like I don't want to take the pill because I don't want to take anything else that might you know mess with my hormones like

they're just trying to naturally regulate um and then after my miscarriage I didn't have a period for like over two months and I was like really worried that I'd lost it again so went to the doctors and they were just like yeah you just go back on the pill. Oh my gosh. It's crazy. Well, hopefully this podcast will bring light to it. I'm not like, I'm not hating on the pill. No, oh my gosh.

Obviously it's got its place. Yeah, for some people it's, you know, incredible. For the contraceptive benefits. Exactly. And it can help people with lots of issues and things. It's meant to be really good for endometriosis yes like getting rid of that pain so yeah not anti the pill but no i think our biggest problem with it is you know certain professionals just using it to mask other

underlying issues and it's best to get to the root cause yeah like if there's one bit of advice i would say try get to the root cause with all your like diet your stress management exercise all of that and then if you need that extra thing just yeah and just like i guess taking it one step at a time like i'm sure in your journey like correct me if i'm wrong but like you didn't just one day wake up and think like i'm gonna overhaul my life and change everything right now no exactly like these like underlying issues of hormone imbalance they're so complex and it's taken ages for them to come about in your body so nothing's going to become fixed overnight so the best thing you can do is just you know slowly start to like don't be too hard on yourself no like literally just

one day at a time I know how overwhelming it can be at the start I could think back and I just think like not knowing what's going on in your body is such a hard thing do you know what I mean like um yeah just don't stop searching for answers one step at a time yeah and not every day is going to be perfect as we know and one other topic that I wanted to ask you about is like your kind of like lifestyle in terms of like going out partying drinking because I know you did just do that a lot more than I guess what you do now yeah like do you still do that do you not do that like what's your kind of I was such a party girl yeah but I was like Ibiza like yeah festivals everything um and I don't know I just thought like I was just living for the weekends a lot and I think when you find your purpose in life and like you have like these

goals I think it does kind of alcohol especially it does hold you back a bit like it does make you feel like really unmotivated I personally get actually quite depressed from alcohol the next day and I definitely think like you can balance it 100% you can definitely balance it with your PCOS and stuff but obviously alcohol is like can be quite inflammatory like so I just you know what my i try and do when i go out i'm so when it's hard because when i go out i'm such a like i'll drink have one drink and i'm like yes yeah let's go let's go i'm like all or nothing when it comes to going out yeah um so i've just tried to be like just tone it down a bit yeah um but yeah are your are your friends into that are your friends yeah like very much like

party girls my friends yeah they do like a party not gonna lie like and i've found it hard to kind of take myself away from it like especially at the weekends like the past few weekends i've just sort of been studying like doing my thing yeah and i think that's massively like learning to love your own company yes like i just used to feel like I needed to go out 24 7 even with people who weren't even my friends just have a reason to go out yeah um and like since like kind of stepping away from I think it is in getting older as well um since I kind of just how old are you for the listeners 23 you're a lot more mature than what you are do you think yeah I I think so oh I don't know I feel like I do feel like I've changed a lot in the past few years if I was speaking on here last year I'd be like babe should we go get a

tequila come on um but no I think finding your purpose and your passion massively changes your social situation yeah do what you do with your time yeah like I love going out don't get me wrong I love going out but I just I don't want to be doing it every weekend no so it's kind of like you still go out and enjoy yourself and have you know go crazy you have yeah let my hair down it won't be all the time yeah no like went to Ibiza this year and like had such a good time but two nights I just was like I need to sit down I came home had my chamomile tea I was like I'm gonna study yeah I'm gonna study with my tea I hope I don't sound really boring oh no you go out a lot more than I do but no oh I do do you do you not go out a lot not really no

no I can't remember the last time I went out out yeah like I'll go out for like a meal but sometimes I do go out and you're like, the next day you're like, why did I do that? Yeah. Oh, I'm not good with alcohol at all. I, like, I'm not exaggerating. I can have one shot and I will be drunk. Really? Yeah.

Oh my gosh, no. I'm really heavyweight. Are you? It's probably just from going out all the time in the past. You're used to it. I wish I had that. Saves money. Yeah, it's so cheap. Saves yeah so cheap in the morning like i mean

i still get the hangover i feel like i've had about anxiety that's horrible i get that bad yeah but i think do you know what i think that's another thing i don't feel really we talk about a lot it's like this is alcohol and how it makes you feel yeah so like i know you've mentioned it before like you get really bad anxiety what's what's that feel like for you for like people who might not have heard of it before yeah I don't get anxiety genuinely like in day-to-day life I don't really it's not something I really suffer with yeah I think you I yeah I do get it really bad um so yeah I wouldn't know what that sort of feeling is like but when I have

alcohol the next day I just I wake up and I don't know who I am like sometimes I wake up and I feel so lost in myself I like and analyze my whole life I just have no confidence in myself and I just don't yeah that's crazy how much like drinking can have that impact on you I would love to go so I would when I see people I'm like how did you get sober please um but like I don't know I do like a tequila what's your go-to drink paloma oh my gosh what's that see I'm such an anti-drinker I don't even know what that is it's like um grapefruit juice um soda and tequila like tequila is the best one because it's like an upper it's an aphrodisiac like gin makes me really sad oh really I like a pink gin yeah some people love gin whereas gin makes me really sad whereas tequila I'm like what I've never heard of a certain type of alcohol

like having a different effect on you yeah no so what does vodka do to you I yeah I'm fine with vodka can tendency to get a bit so gin makes you tendency to get a bit of ice at the end of the night. So it makes you sad. Sometimes if I've had vodka at the end of the night, if I don't get my McDonald's... If you ask my friends sometimes about my hissy fit, not having a McDonald's... OK, what's your go-to McDonald's order?

Do you know what I hate McDonald's in the day? Like, normal day, when I'm not drinking, I hate it. But when I've had a few drinks, I'm like, love it. Particularly after vodka. Yeah, chicken nuggets and chips, basic. Nice. Yeah. So many memories of McDonald's.

Yeah, no, not so much anymore. Oh my God. But yeah, gin, literally, I remember having it one time because we were at Bottom of Sponge, it was the only cocktail available. I was crying the whole night. Really? Yeah.

I've never heard of this. Weird, right? That's so weird. So like alcohol will literally have an effect on you like recreational drugs do with people. Not saying you take them, but do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like certain drugs will make people feel different ways take them but like do you know what i mean like yeah you know certain drugs will make people feel different ways and never heard alcohol

maybe i just have it used to have it too much to know are you gonna be going out in tennessee with your mom oh we'll just have a few like chill drinks and stuff i haven't actually you know what the my the next few seasons seasons the next few months for me are just like, focus. Focus, chill, nice. That's why I'm loving this autumn time, I'm like, yeah, just slow, chill. Oh, nice. Yeah, what about you in Paris, do you reckon you'll,

apparently the nightlife's actually good in Paris. I know, I know, I mean, we've got a few really nice bars and restaurants booked, but I don't know if we'll go out out, I don't know if we'll go out out I don't know we'll see we'll see what happens but like we've got a lot planned for the day like Disneyland oh I don't want to be tired no exactly like it does just stop yeah I want to like pack the days full of activities yeah and like really make the most of the day so I'd rather like have an early night yeah but I love early nights like sleep is so underrepresented

oh yeah like underrated underrated yeah underrepresented underrated yes sleep is so it is how like how many hours sleep do you like to get I'm I thrive off of nine hours nine yeah what about you oh I would be loving life if I got nine hours but i mean realistically i get like seven but for me to feel good i need like a good eight hours sleep yeah so everyone's different yeah because i feel like we've come into societies where it's like i'm sleep i'll sleep when i'm dead like yeah no sleep like sleep is what is saying? Sleep is for the wicked or whatever. Sleep is for the weak. Or the weak.

Yeah. And oh my gosh, sleep is like the most important thing. Especially for hormone imbalance. Yes. Like that is one of the basic things, just making sure. And nobody really likes to hear that sort of thing because it's just boring. It's like, how can just lying there doing nothing help?

Yeah, but it's so important. Yeah. Like, do you not just feel so much better from a good night's sleep? I would put put like when i wake up and i feel refreshed and not tired i would pay so much money to have that feeling every day oh my gosh but then like why did we like subconsciously prevent ourselves from doing and go on our phones yeah i i feel like i try to get in bed by 11 but i'm like i want to be in bed by 10 10 would be perfect I've been like getting into bed or like I start getting ready for bed around nine now yeah I can get into bed

at 10 definitely and then you just wake up but like not naturally at seven yeah oh I'm awake yeah I have a lumi alarm I actually need to reset it up it's really good though it's like an alarm that it gradually wakes you up. So like you set the alarm and then like half an hour before the alarm goes off, like it will make your room get light and then a cute little sound will play. Oh, I need this.

It's really good. I love that. I'm just Alexa. I always tell Alexa, wake me up to One Republic. So you know that song? You know that song? I'm gonna sing for you guys you know that song I am worried about it right now you know the song yeah so I get woken up to that because it's like I'm not worried about anything every day that's so lovely

sometimes when I'm not in the mood I'm like Alexa shut up not today um but yeah i love alexa oh yeah so a very different wake-up routine but i don't i genuinely don't i think it's i don't know if anyone wakes up out of bed and they're like right i'm ready for the day i used to you know i i used to have this thing where like it's really weird i'd wake up and every day i'd sit on my bed i'd go today's gonna be an amazing day oh my god i love that that positive affirmation that actually did and it always was yeah it does work it does actually put you in these little things though yeah like we're just so like everything's going on and we forget to just take time for ourself and just remind ourselves that yeah you're great you're doing great yeah

you're gonna have a great day meditate oh I try no I don't regularly i do when it gets really bad which is a really bad habit of mine like i use it when like i'm at my lowest low and it helps me i just need to get better at practicing it more regularly and making it more of a routine rather than relying on it when things you know get shit yeah what about you yeah i that's like part of my morning routine really oh i like the guided meditations on spotify yeah there's a girl called purely being guided meditation she's really good purely being guided yeah and like you can just say if you're feeling some sort of way you just type that in and then it's like oh right i'll listen to that one but it just like helps you be present yeah

for the morning you know because sometimes we don't sit we don't sit still with ourselves enough do we no like we're all go go go but we don't actually just sit and realize i'm here yeah you know yeah like it's a beautiful day like i'm present let's go yeah so yeah meditation is really good for like just stress like i love a walking meditation oh yeah i like that i haven't actually done that one before yeah they have some like guided walking meditations you can do. Or literally, you go outside for a walk and you literally have no phone. You turn everything off and you just listen to the sounds,

walk around, embrace the surroundings. Because I think I listen to podcasts sometimes and walks, but it's sometimes to just walk. Yeah. Because we don't do that a lot, do we? We're always constantly on a phone and stuff and i'm so guilty of it oh um i feel like we're gonna have to wrap up soon yes i know i'm like yeah i feel like we still have so much to talk about i know break yeah

should we touch on that quickly yeah i feel like we can give little tips yeah okay so tell me what happened with you because I know you recently went through a breakup similarly to me yes so we're both going through a little bit of a breakup phase I think breakup is hard like you know you're used to someone being in your life like all that time and then they just go and it's so hard to be friends like I find it's quite hard you know did you um live with your ex no like he was in um Bournemouth so we like you know it was long distance so it was wasn't that hard when we broke up because we weren't really used to seeing each other all the time um so yeah it was mainly down to distance really and I just I'm I just feel like I'm I I'm not like a relationship although I love the sort of feeling of it I just feel like I'm better when I'm single

I just feel like at the moment I can't fully commit 100% yeah it sounds like you have a lot of like personal goals that you're working on like it sounds like you're doing great with like your career and you're studying and what you want to achieve and I definitely can relate like sometimes not having a partner can help you like refocus more and like get more done that you want to achieve definitely I think because I think yeah when you're in a relationship you have to like you have to have like that commit like you have to commit to them and they're like when I'm in a relationship I'm very like I'm so like just committed I'm like oh my gosh you're my person yeah all the time thinking about them and like not saying that you can't have um do your have your career and um progress in your career and not have a boyfriend like you can totally do

that like there's people out there you know have boyfriends and they're so successful yeah but i find it hard to manage my time yeah you know um is that the main reason why you guys broke up um yeah that and like distance really um and how like how long ago was your breakup uh like a month a month ago oh earlier yeah so quite fresh um i think it's like it comes in waves doesn't it like sometimes i'm laying in bed and i'm like oh i miss you oh because i i i'm like a really um cuddly person cuddly yeah how of relationship i'm not like i'm not cuddly at all but in a relationship i'm really like oh my god that's like me like yeah before i got in a relationship i was so cold i'm like not touching with your friends literally you know like when your friends cuddle yeah I'm such a like really

frigid yeah no really frigid my ex used to say like I was so like my guard was so up yeah I was so like not emotional or like touchy or anything but like it kind of changes when you get in a relationship oh 100% like I yeah I'm just so needy and like cuddly but I feel like because I got I've had two boyfriends and I feel like because I was really strong in dealing with my first one which was really hard I feel like now I can get over the next do you know what I mean yeah you've got the coping mechanism yeah and i guess you know in your head like you've got over it before and like time is a healer yeah and it's like this whole post-workout glow up it is the best ones are internal yeah but just to prioritize focus yourself yeah you know and a lot of the time when you're focusing on your post-breakup glow up being

internal it will show on the external because you'll just be smiling yeah exactly like the smile is just like you know the best thing best thing you can wear what about how are you dealing with yours are you i mean yeah like you there's good days and bad days the waves i feel like yours was probably a bit more like intense yeah we live together yeah i think that's harder when you're like used to being with them all the time yeah it's it's weird it's just weird feeling but I've um luckily I am so busy that I just keep very focused and you can go away and go to Paris go to Paris yeah do all your thing yeah yeah so okay what if you had to give three tips for dealing with a breakup what would they be

um i've already put you on the spot there oh three tips for dealing with a breakup time definitely just give yourself time um not thinking about them blocking them really 100 block a block like see have you guys blocked each other yeah even though we're friends we talk sometimes on message I am so bad at I'm really bad at this so I'm gonna tell you guys I'm really bad at this I am so bad at looking at followers I'm like oh who's followed you but who are you following and like I'm like, I create dramas in my head that I'm creating. So I just need that block to be like, right, I'm not seeing you.

I'm not seeing what you're doing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's really good that if you know that about your character, that you're the one who actually decided to block it so that you can. Because in my first break, I was so bad with that. Like,'d want to be knowing all what he's doing and like I just need to not do that so yeah second tip I would just block avoid for a few months even if it's just for a few months block yeah just you know

let go and move on and third is just really put time into yourself. Yes. Like, that's the focus. That's my biggest tip. Like, instead of, yeah, and, like, although distractions are good, they never heal the inside. No. Like, you've got to heal, like, what's going on inside. Yeah. Rather than having all these distractions.

I think a lot of people will go straight to, like, a rebound and think that will, like, help them. Yeah, or, like, going out with all the, like, going out out getting drunk all the time yeah obviously that can help yeah oh definitely like you know having like distractions is yeah good in the short term but you just need to like focus like really think about what you want in your life and what you want to achieve and just make a plan and a strategy yeah how to get there and learn to love your own company yeah yeah I think it's hard to learn yeah but once you do like learn to like love it yeah like I actually I'm staying in London tonight um because I've got like work all day tomorrow and I'm like gonna be

on my own and I cannot wait oh I love that yeah little just take yourself out yeah it's so nice yeah be on your own I used to hate being on my own did you yeah I used to when I was on my own I used to cry all the time oh I feel like you need a teddy bear to like cuddle when you want to cuddle literally I didn't get you a giant teddy bear um but that was like three years ago now we're all good now. Journey. Oh, okay. Well, shall we wrap up with our quotes? Oh, yes, yes. Do you have a quote?

Yes, I do. You got off the top of your head. Huh? Have you got it? Yeah, I've got it. It's a short quote and it relates to like PCOS and like health journeys.

So do I say it now? Yeah. So health is a journey, not a battle. I love that one. Health is a journey, not a battle. love that one health is a journey not a battle yeah because sometimes we like you know we we hate on our bodies and we think what is it doing to me like you feel like you're battling with it but your body's all like working for you not against you like it should be just like a although an up and down journey of ebbs and flows and yeah

and like you're saying you you can't work against your body you've got to work with it yeah yeah definitely what's yours my quote i wrote it down i can't find where i wrote it it was something like confidence isn't walking into a room and feeling like you're better than everyone confidence is walking into a room and not feeling the need to even compare yourself to other people. I love that. Yeah. It's so true. Like just no point comparing yourself. Oh, yeah.

Be confident in you. Yeah. Confidence in what you do. Confidence in who you are. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.

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