Real Girls Radio - EP 9: Turning down £6000!? What they don't tell you about being an influencer

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

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We are back, baby. Happy Monday. You cannot get rid of us. Welcome back to Real Girls Radio. Episode number... Nine? Nine. Oh my God, we're nearly on our 10th anniversary.

What are we going to do for the big 10? Should we get a cake? Yeah. A party for two. Because we've got no friends. Oh my God, guys, I know I say this every time time but i'm so excited for this podcast me too wow i'm really excited no this is gonna be really very interesting i think it's gonna be a long one yeah i don't know there's a lot to talk about you guys just want to know everything which you know it doesn't surprise me because before

i was you know quote unquote influencer i was so fascinated by it and i was just very intrigued like you know where does their money come from what do they do in their day-to-day life what's their relationships like what their family think of like there's so many things i was so intrigued about which is probably why i loved watching like day in the life vlogs yeah because i was so interested so we're just gonna unravel it all yeah you know we'll just we'll keep personal things personal i mean we're definitely gonna divulge we will oh we will absolutely because it's a real girls radio we only speak real but there were a few questions where we were like oh oh not sure if i can get that deep no but i think you guys are gonna walk

away with a lot of insight but yeah we're gonna go all into life online having a social media presence being a quote influencer content creator whatever you want to call it this new job that's come about in 20 i guess it's like 2018 yeah i guess so new to think about it like it's actually so new. Yeah. Imagine if, like, when we're older, majority of people are influencers. Because anyone can do it, can't they, really? We should look into the statistics, like how many people are influencers, like out of the working population.

Because new influencers are coming every single month. Especially with all the new platforms now, like TikTok. Oh my God, yeah. It's actually really interesting to me. It's quite daunting. Yeah, and so many young people as well very young family actually run their own account wow yeah i know a few people who are like literally 16 or younger than that i've seen girls like in america who were like seven or eight no yeah joking who have millions of followers i don't think i could

allow my children to be like that i don't know it. It's kind of what, like, the Kardashians did. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. What's the mum called? Kris. Kris Jenner. Yeah, what she did with her children. Or, like, the Saccone Jolies.

Yeah. She started with a flopping fly. Yeah. So my fly, it's actually very topical with this episode. I have been invited to go on a Virgin Voyages cruise ship around, like, Barcelona and Ibiza and stuff. Have you? Which is quite interesting. Like, it's very funny to go on a virgin voyagers cruise ship around like barcelona and ibiza and stuff which is quite interesting like it's very funny to go on a cruise ship because i've been on have you been on cruise

i've never been on the cruise they're known to be for like old people yeah it's about to say my granddad always used to go on but i've been i've been on quite a few cruise ships with my grandma honestly at the time of my life like it's so fun but there was not one person that was my age on that cruise ship i didn't mind it but it's quite funny to now think that I've been invited on an influencer kind of trip on a cruise ship. But I think that's what

they're trying to do. They're trying to attract younger people onto the ship. Especially because it's virgin, like virgin experiences, virgin Atlantic, like it's quite a young company.

So I think that's what they're trying to do. Oh my God, that's exciting. When are you going? I'm going 14th of May. Oh, really soon? For how long? Just a week week i think yeah so that'll be fun yeah yeah and then my flop is again very topical for this episode not many people will quite understand but so i've had quite a few renewal contracts um happening like past few weeks so that basically

means that you're contracted with a brand for six months whatever a year and then you renew that contract to like you know obviously extend it extend the period of working with them I've had two of those recently and they haven't really played out the way that my manager and I had hoped that they would again really positive that we have renewed them but it's just not played out yet the way that we'd hoped so a little bit of a flop but again it's just the industry and it can be quite brutal yeah a bit brutal and there's a lot of stuff that again I will explain in this podcast that people don't talk about yeah so and renewing contracts and all of that is a very touchy difficult thing to navigate a lot of gray it's a gray area yeah especially like when you have such a great relationship with a brand and you love the brand.

And you never want to do anything or say anything to jeopardise that relationship. But then when costs and finances and fees come into it, it can just be a little bit awkward. That's why I have my manager because she does that. Like I don't want to get involved with that. It's really difficult though because there are people who don't have managers and they have to just do it do it themselves and I think some people can take it quite personally when actually it is just business at the end of the day and you have to both be quite professional with it and you have to have thick skin yeah for sure and what about yours okay my fly is that I'm moving house oh my god yes I'm such a fly oh my god guys emma before this podcast she was like i don't

know what a fly is like i don't know yeah i'm moving house you never said this to me so yeah we took the house that we mentioned and i mean our move-in date is like next week but i've got my apartment until the end of may so oh my god okay we're allowed to start moving in this morning i actually when i was on stairmaster i ordered my bed and sofa it's so nice i'll show you oh my god you need to show me that can get delivered to the new place and then i will just slowly move i need to see pictures after have i I not shown you pictures yet? No, you haven't shown me any pictures. But yeah, I'm moving, which is crazy. That is crazy. That's happened so quickly. And I'm actually moving in with my boyfriend and everyone. I've lived on my own for like the last year and a half. Oh my god, has it just been a year and a half?

Before then, were you living with your parents? No, my ex-boyfriend. Oh, yes. So I moved out when I was like 18. Lived with my ex-boyfriend. Lived on my own for a bit and now moving in with wow it's a new stage in life yeah no but i'm excited and the best part is that there's a tesla charging point in the car park that is so cool yeah like in the driveway in the driveway wow that's really cool that's that's like perfect for everyone who doesn't know i've got an electric car so that is just super handy to have a charging point outside my house that's that's like perfect for everyone who doesn't know i've got an electric car so that is just super handy to have a charging point outside my house that's our problems right the season's last hour i was like right we've got we've got to take the house

sold so yeah i've got to start packing i have a lot to do oh god that's stressful isn't it yeah and i have a lot of stuff so i guess that's my flop yeah i have a lot to do and i'm really really stressed oh bless you i guess there's a silver lining to it, though, because the process of moving house, it forces you to declutter, doesn't it? Yes. So that's going to be good for you. It's so therapeutic once you've done it.

And my mum, bless her. Shout out, mum. I know you listen. She's just such an angel. She's really helping me with that whole process. We need to get our mums on the podcast. We do. Oh, yeah.

That would be the best thing ever. At the same time. Yeah, the same thing. Yeah, that would be lovely. We'll'll be lovely or like if we can get the podcast room in your house yeah okay so this is another thing guys we're thinking of turning one of the rooms in my new house into a podcast studio how i've not actually told my boyfriend that yet but he'll be fully on board with that oh my god i actually can't believe it oh we can get a neon sign yeah we can just make it all like cute get a sofa literally just like me and you chit-chatting with our yeah and you can come for sleepovers yeah trips away to bath yeah well that's my yeah i definitely can't top

that incredible right let's get into it so we put on the roll guys radio stories some question boxes yeah we love these we actually did put up a assumptions box which i was reading through on the train this morning I was honestly laughing out loud there's actually quite a few that I'd love to address here unravel okay do you want to pick one first so we're gonna start with the assumptions then we'll move on to like more serious questions one person said Emma you became particularly close with Millie versus other clients because she had a large following no and, and actually, you didn't really have a following when we first knew each other. No, I don't think we did.

Because my following grew from my weight gain journey and posting my progress pictures and stuff. That's how you built your account, through your weight gain. But I think she's saying you became closer to her, maybe because my following was growing. No, not at all. But that's funny.

Imagine if I was like, yeah, just the only reason I like you. Bitch, I knew it all. But that is funny. Imagine if I was like, yeah, just the only reason I like you. Bitch, I knew it all along. That is funny though. No, no, never,

never. No, not at all. I actually like Millie. True, genuine friendship. Thank you. Okay,

so this one made me laugh. Millie likes staying in, but Emma likes going out. Actually, quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. I'm such a granny. i actually hate a night out i don't think you give off the energy that you love to go out drinking love to go party i think

that's just quite maybe someone who's probably said that probably thought if i say this we may hear something that we don't know about emma like no i don't like going out i'll be honest i don't enjoy it i like getting dressed up putting on like a cute outfit and doing my hair and makeup maybe going out for a non-alcoholic drink millie loves a good sesh i do but not all the time no every now and then i do i am a yes person sometimes so i i feel like if i say no i'm going to disappoint people so i kind of just have to go with it which is not a good trait no but you know it's really empowering to do the opposite and actually when I was in Norway all the girls who I was there with went out on Saturday night and guys I was so tired from the day and I had some work that I wanted to

do and I just wanted to get into bed and have an early night so I could get up and feel fresh the next day and I said I'm really sorry like I know you're all going out, but I'm not going to come. You know what? If I was in that situation, I would have stayed with you because there would have been someone else there who was doing the same, so it made me feel less guilty. Yeah, you should never feel peer pressure to go out and do stuff like that. It's really bad, isn't it?

I think it's probably just from my upbringing and always wanting to try and fit in because I always felt left out all the time. Yeah. So it probably just comes from that but anyway you work on it um I'll work on it you both come from wealthy families this is an interesting one I think everyone assumes that anyone who's like an influencer or I don't know someone online they just assume that don't they assume that they come from rich um I had a comfortable upbringing my mom and dad they had good jobs they were paid well with their jobs. They were very hardworking.

My mum was or is a sonographer, but she does it privately. So she's, you know, got that. And then my dad is a dentist and he had his own like clinic and stuff. So they both were very, very comfortable. But they were also parents who would never spoil us or like, I don't know, like give, you know, hand money here and there. Like I would always, always work for my money. I'd always pay for my driving lessons or pay for, you know, my clothes. Like, whereas my friends around me would have their parents pay for their clothes and stuff.

So, it actually was quite the opposite. It wasn't the opposite, but I definitely learned to live and earn money in different ways to what you would, like, expect, maybe. But, yeah, I've definitely, definitely you know I've had very lucky privileged appearances but I get this assumption about myself a lot whenever I do like a Q&A on Instagram stories people always say like oh your parents are rich or you come from a really wealthy background or like your parents bought your apartment and stuff actually quite the opposite like my mum and dad divorced when I was like two and my mom quite literally took on role of both parents and she was full-time working mom and we lived in like council houses and like we lived in like

some really shit places sometimes like i look back and feel so sorry for my mom now because she really struggled she had to work so hard and like for example one of the places i lived in i'm not even joking it was like this horrible block of flats and people used to piss in the lift and me and my sister had like there was like a tiny little garden we had a trampoline in the garden and we used to go on it in the morning and there would be like drugs just like thrown out of the windows like from the flats above us onto a trampoline so this is why like we had to move from like houses all the time because stuff like that would happen no like my parents were not wealthy my mum worked so hard and my dad did too but I didn't really see my dad that much but yeah as soon as I was 16 I had a job and I was working

for my own money and I've not had a penny given to me help but I'm glad because it made me hard working yeah absolutely and I don't wish any different yeah I agree same with me at the time when I was younger I was like very upset that I wasn't you know getting given money or like pocket money when my friends were and I was like but you can afford it like you know I was like that little child but I'm so thankful that they've brought me up the way they have because I am not only really careful with my money obviously like i do like to treat myself every now and then but i have learned to spend money and be careful with it and invest and use it the way that i should in a sensible way which i don't think i would have learned that if yeah my

parents just handed me money whenever i completely feel the same as you because i live in quite like a wealthy place like bath is a rich town really i remember like all my friends parents would like buy them a car for their 16th 17th birthday and like i didn't have a car okay i didn't have a car my first car is the car that i bought last year wow which i'm just so proud of because i worked yeah and i saved and you could you were in the position where you could really get a nice car it's just it makes it so much more rewarding yeah so yeah that assumption is false you are both living in the now not planning much into the future in terms of your savings life goals or family planning okay this is funny it is funny because i need to live in the now but i do also try and plan my future and and like what i can plan.

But at the same time, I don't like to do that because I know that life can literally take a turn whenever it does. So I try and not do that because then I'm just going to get disappointed or shocked. Or if I plan something and it doesn't go to plan, it freaks me out. For me at the moment, currently doing what I do is very unstable. The income can come and go whenever so I am actually really careful because I fear that I'm just not going to have income next year or you know in the short term so I'm actually quite careful with it yeah I mean similarly to you I 100% think living in the now is so important because you hear these stories where like people save and save and save and then

they get to retirement and then their husband dies or they get like a terminal illness and they can't do everything that they wanted to that they've been working so hard for their entire life but if you live with that mindset and you literally just live for the future what if the future isn't there what if something happens so you have to be more balanced in your approach and still like appreciate the present moment and do things that you want to do now but in terms of financial security and saving and all of that, like I have always from a very young age been so careful with making sure I'm saving money. I've never been in my overdraft or in debt or anything like that. I think because when I was growing up, I saw how much stress that caused in my family life.

And I've always been really good with saving yeah that's like rule that i go by is i question if i can afford something so say like i want to buy a pair of shoes or like no let's say a car can i buy that car twice or three times and if i can and i'm like okay i can afford it if i only got enough money to buy it once then i can't afford that i need to be overly comfortable yeah i feel like yeah people can just have the money in their account and think oh i've got so much money let's spend some fun and then to do day-to-day things like food shopping and stuff and they're like oh I need to actually budget myself here and obviously that means you've kind of not spent your money very wisely yeah I think living in the present super important do things and buy yourself things do experiences yeah are going to bring you joy absolutely but you also do need to think about

the future and still have a budget and think about your money and look at where your money is going like with my hair extensions i've been putting them off because i'm like oh they're just so expensive i just don't know why i kept putting them off i'm like i can afford it like you work hard i work hard of course i can get these done my appearance yeah this is expensive did you one more each yes right oh interesting you often initially get perceived as dumb in real life yes interesting okay there's so many things potentially because we're blonde i was gonna say this yeah perception the stereotype blondes are dumb yeah dumb blondes yeah also i think that

the way i talk and how maybe overexpressionate I am, if that's a word. Overexpressive, sorry. Overexpressive. You dumb blonde. I'm so dumb. Oh, God. No, but I'm one of those people who, like, I did very well at uni. I got a first in psychology, so I was very happy with that.

I did really well in secondary school, but I was actually in a lot of the foundation classes. Those are basically the classes that you can't get a C or higher because lots of teachers kind of you know limited my potential and they thought that I was more dumb than I actually was so I proved them all wrong and I got such good grades and I proved myself as well that I'm actually not as dumb as I thought and I'm actually really smart so I'm not dumb no although it may come across that I am because I do say little dumb comments or you know the way I talk doesn't, you know, doesn't help. But yeah, I'm not dumb. No, you're not dumb.

I think for me, I definitely sometimes can lack a little bit of common sense. Common sense, right. But I'm quite intelligent. Oh my God, does that make me up myself to say I think I'm a little dumb? No. I'm not saying I'm the most intelligent person in the world but i do like read a lot and i like learning you love your words i smashed it you know no i think i we are both very alike in that sense thing is i think i'm dyslexic so obviously my dyslexia can come

across as dumbness in certain areas of my life like i find it hard to retrieve certain words yeah i may say a word that actually is another word I'm trying to say yeah so in that sense that's my dyslexia but it can come across as dumbness but we're clever I mean I don't come across as dumb and then obviously I'm overthinking everything I say and now I'm like okay you're dumb no I think a lot of a lot of the times how people think like oh they're just stupid influencers well that as well I really hate that really hate that every time on a night out sorry I've got a cold every time I'm on a night out. Sorry, I've got a cold. Every time I'm on a night out, when people say, oh, what do you do? Always try and avoid saying influencer.

And then it will always come, you know, come to the answer. And they're like, oh, so yeah, you're an influencer. And I'm like, well, yeah. And then I try and explain myself because I don't want people to think that I am a stereotypical influencer. Who doesn't do anything in their life and just takes pictures. When someone does say to you, what do you do? What do you say? stereotypical influencer who doesn't do anything in their life and just takes pictures when someone does say to you what do you do what do you say i say i am a content creator and i do like quite a few things on instagram what with brands and then i say like i'm working on certain project i've got

a podcast like i try and you know like branch out yeah branch out i say i've got a coaching company and i post on instagram and I have a podcast. I don't think that sounds damaging. Or sometimes I literally just say, oh, I'm a coach. Yeah, you just want to keep it short and sweet. No questions asked. Right, one more assumption. You're always on your phones and friends get annoyed.

I saw this one. I think, yes, that is true. Yeah? That is very true. Okay, I've got a hack for how to get around this so of course like we share a lot of our lives online and there is always that pressure to document what's going on and i know for me if i'm not active on my stories i get anxiety yeah i agree i'm like oh my god i need to pay something yes absolutely or like if i'm not documenting it i'm like i need to document this because

i'm gonna miss out and you know i want to show everyone this actually sorry I really don't mean to interrupt here but in the last episode I said about how anxious I was for puppy yoga and stuff yeah the main reason was because I was so anxious for getting a photo because getting a photo with puppies and everyone else wants to get photos it made me so anxious in my head I'm like okay I just don't want to go I don't want to have to have that stress I just want to be with puppies and not have to think about taking pictures or videos and getting a nice photo or getting a photo that I don't like. I just want to live in the moment. And that is me every day whenever I do things, especially when it's like events. Is it actually because I feel the same?

I've definitely worked on it. And sometimes now I will go and do something or go out for dinner or something and not take a picture. Like in the past, I would associate every single event with that whole I need to get content from this. Perfect content opportunity. And I need to get a picture like in the past i would associate every single event with that whole i need to get content from this content and i need to get a picture and if i don't it will ruin my night and i'm not gonna have a good time literally yeah it's so horrible to go through life like that because you're never actually enjoying the moment or the actual event you're just thinking oh what if i don't get a good picture and also when i get a good picture it makes the night so much better for me yeah but why is that

well I guess like as soon as you take that off your book yeah okay yeah I can enjoy myself which is I hate that's really a downside of doing yeah we do oh my god I'm so glad you feel like that too because I thought it was just me okay well yeah yeah I think we are very like in that area I think it's just the nature of the job yeah you have to constantly document things and I know that you know our followers are never going to expect us to document everything no but at the same time if i go to puppy yoga they're going to want to see that of course they are and it's like an internal thing i think you almost have to share yeah and you want to yeah it's kind of like foma if you don't i don't know but you also don't want to do it in a shit way yeah so if you don't get a good enough

picture and i'm not saying good where we necessarily look great but like yeah you know just a good quality yeah yeah shows the vibe i think we are both perfectionists yeah actually i know we are also that trait definitely yeah yeah there's an effect on that i can almost like i want to say sorry to my friends right now because i feel like my friends my boyfriend probably get a little bit of anxiety knowing that they're gonna have to take a picture and be the one who has to help with that I hate that my friend would always assume that I'm either going to a place because it's aesthetic Instagram worthy yeah or whatever we're doing they would automatically expect me to ask them to take a photo of me I do feel like sometimes they get angry at me for doing that for just asking them to take a picture of me especially like when i went to lisbon i was with my brother's boyfriend

i gave up halfway through because i just knew that it's just not what he is used to and i didn't want to make him feel uncomfortable and it also gave me the opportunity to just enjoy it and you know if i get a picture it's candid whatever i'm happy with that but sometimes the candid pictures are actually better the ones where you're not even like trying yeah yeah definitely I think we should both work on that maybe we should have a thing where like once a week we go and do something or we go somewhere and we don't take our phone like well we take our phone but we don't document it okay I'm gonna try that next week that's our challenge yeah but one thing that i will say is i am on my phone a lot but lately and actually for the last few months i've been doing this thing where like i will put my

phone away i will take pictures and i will like document things but i won't do anything with it and i will post it up when i'm at home on my own when i get a second to myself to actually then like oh turn it into a piece of content so that always like if I go out for dinner or if I go to an event I'll document that event but nothing will actually go up oh my god yeah because it's rude no yeah I definitely wouldn't you know like reply to dms or post or write captions while I'm with my friends absolutely not obviously you know you're with your family there's you're watching tv of course I'm going to be going on my phone and like doing dms and stuff or whatever it is i need to do and they're probably

also thinking all right she's always on her phone yeah she can't just sit and watch a documentary with us yeah yeah it's nature of the job isn't it right should we get to the q a yeah so wow there's a lot here i've literally just opened one does your family get annoyed with you filming so yeah i do I think they do. I also feel a bit uncomfortable filming in front of them. I feel like they just judge me too much. So I just avoid that. I actually feel really uncomfortable filming in front of other people.

Yeah, there's certain people that I feel comfortable with, but that's it really, yeah. Even actually, yeah, some of my friends I wouldn't film in front of. If I were, it would just be montages. Like, it wouldn't be me talking to the camera. No. I think they cringe too much. But you have friends where you fully can oh yeah yeah like obviously Adam yeah yeah it's like the I feel like Molly and Jasmine I can definitely be

yeah fine filming but anyone else I'm like yeah so I don't know if they get annoyed I mean yeah probably to be fair do you ever get anxious about stalkers i haven't thought about this yet have you had any so i do definitely i'm wary of it absolutely like i don't show my surroundings around like where i live i don't show the outside of my building i don't even show like what's opposite my building i don't show me walking from my place or to my place like i'm very wary of that so i guess yeah that's all I think about in terms of stalkers I don't know what else I've definitely had some yeah unfortunate events and it's definitely opened my eyes to me having to make sure I'm being more careful and

this is kind of what I was saying at the beginning like I don't have much common sense and sometimes I think the world is such a lovely nice place and I'm not aware of like how evil the world yeah yeah so I have unfortunately had some quite like quite serious things happen so I'm a lot more careful now and like when I am somewhere I always make sure that I post it like when I'm gone yeah absolutely that's key yeah like if I'm tagging my location you can bet I'm not there yeah when even even if you tag that location you are somewhere around there aren't you yeah stalkers are very clever and they can really narrow it down to where exactly you are and they can also you know look up people who you're with and then

obviously they may be tagging where they are so it's like so easy for them to keep track of you one really weird thing that happened i've had like a lot of weird things happen to me on social media with fake accounts and stuff and then i've had like flowers delivered to my house with weird notes. Oh my god, don't. And like really strange messages from people. And like someone damaged my car quite aggressively. Oh, it's actually terrifying. It's terrifying.

I think a lot of it, like I used to like record stories when I was leaving my house, talking to the camera and stuff. Well, you could probably see my street and my house in the background which is stupid and I know now literally number plates yeah track down so I'm a lot more careful yeah but being on social media has definitely made me more scared yeah because it's a big wide world out there I'm actually recently going through all of my recent followers and scaringly quite a few weird accounts of weird men and old men and i block them straight away i actually go through manually and do that and i wish instagram brought this feature where they where you could like filter your followers so i could filter people

who are like 60 years older or something yeah men you know anything like that it's disgusting yeah it's really some of the things that we get guys it's like you don't want to see it there's one guy from america who you know like instagram like you don't want to see it there's one guy from america who you know like instagram stories you'd like talk to your camera about what you're doing each day he would honestly record about 30 a day for about three or four months to me directly like talk me through show me his entire day oh my god and then like at the end of the day he'd like show me like really and there were like thousands of videos when i got to it in my dms like it was weird did you report him yeah i don't like it i don't like how they can get away with it so yeah

to answer the question about stalkers like it is definitely a worry of mine and it's been definitely exacerbated this year and then on that topic another question that we had is do you worry that people know who you are when you're just trying to go about your day yeah i do i get really anxious you know since moving to london like people have come up to me and i absolutely love it like i love meeting all you guys but there's also so many people who don't come up to me but they stare at me and it makes me feel really really anxious and then like even if it's someone who is just looking at me and they don't know who i am i automatically think oh my god what if they know who i am and like I am not wearing makeup or I'm drunk on a night out or you know that there's so many different things where I just get really

anxious do you so anxious especially because like where I live Bath like it's such a small place and I have heard lots of things like people talking about me negatively and sometimes when I'm just walking around like if I see people staring at me I'm like oh my god yeah what do they think like what have they heard like what are they saying about me and like even like in the gym sometimes like oh my god I don't know if someone's looking at me because they're just staring or if they know me or if they think I look stupid yeah yeah I completely agree in terms of the gym as well I don't know and sometimes like obviously like with my clients I'm so used to seeing their check-in photos I'm like they don't always show their face so I don't know actually how my clients like necessarily look

in their face so sometimes I'm like oh my god what if it's a client and like I do get anxious about it because yeah you don't know if it's a follower or if it's someone just staring at you and also even like say on nights out or at events there are definitely people who pretend that they don't know you yeah but they do yeah and then i don't know even if they don't pretend and they they do just say that they you know they've been following you whatever i do always think the back of my head like are they just being friendly with me because of my presence on instagram or are they actually just genuinely being friendly with me yeah it's so hard you don't know if someone actually wants to be your friend and be nice to you or if it's just because you have like a few yeah and they just want to follow clout or whatever yeah it isn't yeah it's quite anxiety provoking but i will say i do absolutely love it

when you guys like come up to me like it makes my day and like I love this but weirdly every time I go abroad Paris, Barcelona, Budapest, Norway I have met one of you like where you've come up to me which is crazy yeah it's crazy when it gets to that point isn't it and you're like god this is actually like yeah worldwide but then it's actually scary because I'm like well if that's happening how many people are seeing me and not yeah yeah i oh my god i always think this as well i'm like okay so let's say three people have come up to me today so that means there may be more people that actually know me but yeah but they haven't come up to me because there's so many people are like i bet i didn't come up to you because i was too nervous but there's also people who haven't even messaged me saying that yeah so it's like well

okay like this is actually yeah it definitely puts it into perspective. It definitely makes me look around a little more. Yeah, it does, yeah. Not in an obsessive, I have this mental, I was on Instagram. Oh, no. No, not in that way. No, not in that way. I feel like people may think that we're...

Take that the wrong way. Yeah, no, please don't take that the wrong way. But as well, partly because of the stalker thing as well, if you guys have listened to other podcasts, like, you'll know, like, when I've been, like, followed and stuff, it's for that reason as well. Like, you're always a bit on edge absolutely yeah you don't know what

people are out to do no but love meeting you guys so if you absolutely love you please right you go question okay how has your friendship with older slash home friends changed interesting okay so i guess naturally as you grow older you do just drift away from your home friends or school friends whatever which has naturally happened with me but i'm definitely still just the same with my home friends or like you know my best friend my school friends like i've still got a group of friends at home who you know do you know normal day-to-day things and like it is hard to stay in contact when we do like meet up it's just completely the same because I'm not a different person like I'm so the same they just find it funny how they can always see me on social media

and see what I'm doing and I can't see anything that they're doing so like when I'm like yeah what have you been up to and then obviously they tell me but like they never ask back because they know what I've been up to so I find that quite funny I actually said this to my best friend Molly the other day I was like I kind of don't like how you see everything I do. And she actually doesn't even have social media. Like, she doesn't post anything. So I'm like, I would just like to know, like, what you're eating and stuff. Yeah.

Just, like, show me what you're doing. Give me something to work with her. Yeah. But yeah, has yours changed? No, not at all. I don't think it, it shouldn't really. Because it shouldn't make you change as a person. It's your job at the end of the day.

It is your job, yeah, like anything else, like any other job. So yeah, that also leads on to another one that I saw, which was like, why are you only friends with influencers? Yeah. So this is something that's very interesting because I do understand where you're coming from. But again, it isn't just like any job and it's just like you have, you know, work friends and then home friends. A lot of the time people you meet through your work yeah become a genuine yeah not only because you're around them and you're doing the same thing but also you both have similar interests like you're bound to both have very similar interests you both get what you do like you're both up for doing similar things and it just naturally is that way

and yeah i think with social media there's so much network to it you can so easily meet so many people who do the same thing yeah so yeah i guess it's just like a an indirect thing that happens yeah it's not like we would seek out only be i'm only going to be friends if you have x amount of followers yeah oh no way i swear that's what it's like in la though do you think yeah like so i heard i was watching someone's youtube video on coachella and they said there was like this revolve party and they were only choosing people who had a certain amount of followers to go into the revolve party. How stupid is that? People were like, I've got

X amount of followers in the queue and another person was like, oh I've got this amount of followers. Oh my god, it's so bad. But some people buy their followers don't they? Oh, we had a question about that. Did we? I didn't see that one. Oh my god, if anyone, please, if anyone buys their followers, one, it's so obvious who buys their followers because they may have so many followers but they have like no engagement like you know

like minimal likes minimal comments and stuff like that and another thing brands can tell if you've if you bought followers because they'll do a social media analytics review yeah and it will tell you where your followers are based and where they're from it will go into like the backtracking it's just the and it will show that you have invested in based and where they're from. It will go into the backtracking a little. It's just the worst thing to do. And it will show that you have invested in bots. Oh my god. No, it's so bad. I purposely got my way to block bots and to actually remove those followers.

Because it can reduce your engagement. So that's interesting. Do you sometimes advertise things you don't like? Absolutely not. And I think it's really, really really really hard to tell if an influencer likes things or not and obviously there's so many stories that people hear where an influencer has promoted something that is just a gimmick or you know they've been paid x amount to promote that so obviously they're going to promote it kind of thing i want to talk about

something that i saw the other day oh my god if you saw it i saw it i saw it can i just quickly say one more thing there is no amount of money that's going to make me promote something. If I don't like it, I'm not going to promote it. And there's so much money that I've actually turned down. We should fully go into that. Yeah. Okay, right. First of all, I'm going to talk about what I saw the other day, which horrified me.

A few of you actually sent it to me as well, which is how I saw it. I'm not going to name her because I'm not about naming and shaming. I'm not. No. And she did remove it. So I think she got some hate for it. Yeah, she removed it, yeah. But there was someone with a big social media

promoting fat-burning leggings. Leggings that reduce your appetite, help you sleep better, remove cellulite, and help you lose two stones. That's what it was claiming. And she was actually promoting it. She was saying,

yeah, these leggings will help you burn fat. And I'm just like, wow. It really frustrates me because that's obviously putting a bad rep on influencers. was actually promoting it she was saying yeah these leggings will help you burn fat and i'm just like wow it really frustrates me because that's obviously putting a bad rep on influencers and people are very easy generalized don't they so they're gonna see someone do that they're gonna think oh god like i don't trust anyone that i see on social media now because it's so easy to just promote something and get paid for it yeah and i hate the fact that we are automatically put in that category i think you can definitely tell when someone is being authentic or not personally i cannot fake like in some morals i just i just it's not even that like i get a little bit anxious sometimes putting things on

social media in general anyway like sometimes if i'm having a really anxious day like i just can't be on my stories and stuff so So if I'm feeling like that, there's no way I could fake liking something, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Let's actually talk about what's the most amount of money you've been offered for something that you've turned down. Oh God.

Or an example of something that you've turned down because it wasn't in alignment with you and your brand. So let's just bear in mind, I am still quite new into the influencer world and the figure that I'm going to say now is going to be shocking. So it just puts into perspective what other influencers are earning I turned down six grand for a few stories from a brand that I absolutely didn't want to promote they were

willing to pay anything what was it to talk about a certain brand or was it to actually promote a particular product yeah a product can you say what that product was I don't know I feel like people are gonna probably narrow it down too much right okay but yeah just no okay I had something very similar I turned down four thousand pound the other day actually for doing I think it was five no four or five stories about a device that can help you hack your metabolism what yeah it was something where like you breathe into it and it tells you exactly how many calories you need to eat at what time of the day blah blah blah blah like a full-on metabolizer thing it was a load of bullshit there's just too but there was

like science with it on the website and stuff to back it up and evidence to show how it works and stuff but no like even if that machine tells you some sort of like scientific thing which is partly accurate you don't need that and no consumer needs that stupid device to lose weight it's just ridiculous it does it really does make me think like if i actually sat down and calculated how much money i've turned away it would be tens of thousands but actually i think in the long run you would make more money from staying true to yourself that's why building your own brand absolutely because there's no way I would jeopardize well the trust that my followers have with me to just to promote a product that will get me short-term gratification it's so bad and I'd hate to lose my trust with my followers so yeah I don't I don't literally that I just could not care less yeah I really couldn't care yeah if I'm like

turning down that money I really couldn't care and another example I got offered to work with another like big supplement company you guys who don't know I've been working with my protein for like years now I love that stuff like I literally have been using it since the day I joined the gym and I love their products and I got offered to work with another supplement company, but I turned it down. They were offering me a lot more money, but I just felt like, well, I don't already use it. And it would be inauthentic for me to just switch like that. So I decided to stay with my current sponsor just because I genuinely like it more. That's literally what's happened with me recently as well with the renewal contracts.

There's been a lot of brands who want to compete against my current brand contracts you know they're obviously going to throw a lot of money at it and i'm i'm not happy with it i'm not gonna change who i i work with just because of the money yeah you've got to stay true to what you actually like and i think we do have our head screwed on and we are very sensible with that but i do think it's very easy for a lot of people who are in this industry to just get swayed by the numbers and they don't really necessarily think in the long run and I actually think on the other hand as well the flip side brands can be extremely irresponsible one example I once went to a photo shoot for a clothing brand who were branching out into a bit more like fitness stuff and they were like

creating an app and they wanted me to do some filming and stuff for them and I went and there was a couple of other people there who for the actual shoot you had to do workouts and I didn't realize this at the time but we actually had to have already created the workouts ourself and like do like a workout class essentially and there were other people there who weren't qualified they weren't professionals they didn't have a clue what they were doing and they were asking me like what exercises should I do is this the right way to do that exercise and how do I do this and how do I do that they looked great but they didn't have a clue what they were doing and this brand was happy to have them put in any old workout on their app just because they look good.

I think, again, to touch on that, a lot of the time I turn away a deal. It can obviously be because of the product and whatever it is, but it's also because of the people. When you work with a brand, you're working with the people, aren't you? So if I don't get along with the people for whatever reason or if their ethos or way of working or whatever it is, how treat you isn't the way I want to be treated then there's no way like no matter how much I like the product I'm really sorry but I can't for my own health mental health like I can't go through that like that's happened in the past and it's been really hard because I've I love the products but I just couldn't get on with the direct contacts yeah and it was really quite that's very true i've had experiences like that i mean this is a question that we've had a lot how do you make money right that was literally

the one that i was gonna say as well yeah how do you both there's a lot of different avenues so i guess i will start by saying like my main source of income is my business my coaching so that's like yeah where the majority of my salary comes from but then I have other avenues and stuff Instagram doesn't pay me directly but I get paid for things that I put on social media within my contracts but I only really work with my long-term partners and if I ever do a post that I'm getting paid for I will always say that it's an ad or branded or whatever because you have to yeah and it's always very very clear so my long-term goal isn't to have influencing which what I do now as my main source of income like I would like to have like a business and like other

you know streams of income be like my main focus but at the moment you get it from like contracts like brand deals so I've got long-term contracts with Gymshark and Misfits who obviously I absolutely love and I use them all the time doesn't even feel like a job for me like it's just very natural so I get a monthly income from them oh yeah and then of course commission and then yeah you get commission on the side again that varies so much month by month I was just gonna say that is one thing like a lot of you guys have been saying like do you worry about the inconsistency of social media and that is so true when you're making commission it can be so different every month like especially you know seasonal times like black friday would be great but then like summer months might be very January as well could be really quiet because it's just after Christmas and like you know not

many people that want to spend money so yeah that is um I don't think it's good to rely no no I would never that's just a little like bonus yeah that's how i see it and then i also get from youtube so like when anyone watched my video if they like watch the ads in my videos and i'd get revenue from that you don't really get it from tiktok like at all like people who would have really big following they'd only get it from again through brand deals so it's mainly brand deals really but yeah with youtube it is great if you have like loads of subscribers loads of viewers and you know if your video goes viral like i was surprised how hard it is to earn on youtube i actually know nothing about that yeah like people obviously are youtube is there a big

variance massive okay massive and it's so hard to actually like i don't think i could ever imagine myself earning and doing youtube full-time no because what i get is again just like a little bit of pocket money it's not like yeah okay that's actually really unless you were gonna go like full-time and like really put your everything into it yeah you absolutely can take that risk long it's a long process to do that it's not just a quick overnight thing yeah this is i guess why like i've had some of you guys ask me like directly on my Instagram like why I kind of took a backseat with YouTube and oh yeah I honestly loved create I made a few YouTube videos they did really well I think my first ever video got like 30,000 views and I love doing it but when I think about the time invested into that and the return

it's not worth it from like a business or a financial perspective and sometimes I don't know if you guys have ever heard of the one thing it's a really great book and they also have a podcast I highly recommend it but it's about sometimes like the best thing you can do for success and to move forward with your goals is to focus on one thing and not spread yourself too thin and do too many different avenues of things so i decided to like just put that to one side and put majority of my focus and attention into my coaching my business for me like i don't want people to think that i do certain things just because i get money from it like obviously at the end of the day it is my job but i literally

spend hours and hours vlogging and editing purely for your like your entertainment i really don't get a lot out of it at all i can appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into that so much time it is yeah i definitely underestimated the hard work that youtube has put into their videos before starting youtube for sure and now i can really appreciate like all these youtubers but again a lot of them have video editors and yeah i guess it's different if you've got like a graphic designer video editor but like even the little things that you wouldn't think about i guess even like with instagram posts like it's not just taking a picture and putting up a post it's not that and like i've actually had some really horrible

comments from people in my hometown and stuff saying that the only reason i have a following is because i post my ass on instagram like people are so quick to judge narrow-minded yeah like it's not just posting a selfie yeah and actually I think for some influencers it is well yeah which is annoying that we've we are automatically put in that box again isn't it I mean you and I I think we try to provide value in every single thing we post always yeah occasionally I might put like a lifestyle picture up but I've kind of stopped doing that as much because I want to make sure my platform is helpful and valuable and the same as you like all your posts are super personal and relatable and inspiring and helpful and that's how it should be yeah and it isn't just

putting up a picture like you know sometimes it might be like a selfie or whatever but like that's accompanied with a helpful caption about something where you know time and effort has to go into that and actually that has changed a lot over the last few years a couple of years ago it was literally you could post a mirror picture put a motivational caption and it will go viral whereas now you have to put so much time into creating reels and videos and long form content and being so active on your stories and engaging and replying to dms and you know putting so much time and effort into things but not only that i feel like there are so many opinions on social media nowadays you have to

really be careful about what you say and i quite often find myself like holding back like confused on how to communicate myself because I don't want people to take me the wrong way and I'll be there kind of like umming and ahhing over a caption in case someone takes it the wrong way you know what that's again probably why like the majority of influencers online they do hold back and they're not as authentic or real as their followers would hope because they're scared of course yeah we're gonna like it we are being watched by so many eyes and the last thing we want to do is upset anyone or say the wrong thing and you know sometimes like we are uneducated about certain topics and as a

society and you could say something that could really be hurtful like and cancel culture is such a thing nowadays like it's frightening it scares me to death i can't lie um so yeah again we just be really careful but also being authentic and being your true real self online is what i think is so needed in this industry and so many people follower wise they love seeing that but it's a thin line but it's such a thin yeah yeah such a thin line i think we do that well though i am so real on my stories like i'm just myself i don't fake anything i don't put on a facade like when i'm down i will just share it but i think i will only ever share things that i fully know i'm confident in sharing and i know

myself and i'm always basing it on my experience and i make that really clear people obviously have so many different experiences on anything so as long as you make that disclaimer i guess you can't go wrong i feel like that leads on to another question that i saw quite a lot which was what do you find the hardest about social media or what do you personally find the most difficult and i know for me it's definitely when i'm going for a really hard time with like personal issues like i'm not gonna lie last year was a really really horrible hard year for me. And a lot of shit happened. And it's having to put that to a side and put on a brave, happy face and be positive and just pretend like that stuff isn't going on behind the scenes

and still continue with your daily content and showing up on social media and working. And, like, I guess I had my work work and then I got my social media yeah and stuff and like having to do that when I was really not okay was really really hard people will absolutely respect you and obviously they shouldn't expect people online to be completely 100% happy all the time they definitely know that and when you share vulnerability, that respect just increases so much more. Yeah. I am very open and honest with my social media, but I have big sort of like weight on my shoulders that I don't want to be negative and that I always want to be like uplifting and positive

and happy and like try and make other people feel better. So if I'm there talking about my issues, I also don't want it to look like I'm trying to get sympathy or making other people think I'm trying to get them to feel sorry for me because that's never the intention or make or like you know complain about something or be upset about something when so many other things are going on and it's so trivial because there's big issues going around I think we do overthink this but also there's absolutely going to be people out there who are probably going to think that and that's the one thing that I really don't like about social media is that there's so many people that follow you they could be following you because they want to see you fail or they could be following you because they actually just love you as a person.

And either way, there's always going to be opinions about you. There's both, definitely. So that's really something I don't like. What do you find hardest about being on social media? I find it really hard that I don't actually get a break. It's constant. It's non-stop you don't have 24 hours you don't have days off you don't have that bank holiday feeling that everyone else is having it is kind of just very repetitive I love it though like I really do think the pros

far outweigh the cons but of course there's cons to everything but I think that's yeah one thing that really gets me every day like I really do think that I thrive off routine and having like set tasks to do and sometimes just being a quote-unquote influencer it's hard to tick things off the list yeah because and there is always something to do always something to do wow and I always have pressure that I'm gonna like run out of ideas not that I ever will yes run out of content or something would happen and like. Oh my God. So when I was noticing my following was growing and I was doing like all these posts, generally, can you not? I was up nearly every night thinking, as I was trying to get to sleep, I was thinking,

tossing and turning, brainstorming everything. Like, okay, how can I execute that idea? How can I do that in that way? Oh, with social media, like it's so saturated nowadays. So you do have to kind of just, not only just be you and be yourself, but also also be creative that was just me every night trying to be as creative as i possibly could be and there was always that thought in the back of my head like what if i run out of ideas yeah and over a year later we haven't run out of ideas like they will always come because it is just us being at the end of the day it's our life and we are just sharing our life yeah and what we're doing and

what we're passionate about so i guess guess the idea is never going to go. It's just a worry though, isn't it? Yeah, it's a worry. And it's a worry if people like lose interest. Yeah. I do worry about that. Yeah. I do really worry about that.

Just try not to get goat. There is just in general like a lot of pressure. And I guess it is a lot internally inflicted. Like by ourselves. It is. And I definitely put a lot of pressure on myself. I know you do too. And we're both perfectionists.

Yeah. So it is hard because I know for a fact all you guys you do not expect anything from us like you really just want to follow us for us as a person yeah you're here listening to us because you're just like interested in what we talk about there there shouldn't be that pressure but exactly it's like we put that pressure on ourselves because we want to deliver and really make everyone happy and really meet our full potential every day and i think that does yeah have a detrimental impact on us sometimes and actually i did we did put on the um the stories as well oh yeah what do you look for what do you look for in an influencer and it honestly like put the biggest smile on my face i haven't read through them have you not not this one no okay i'll read you some so honesty

being real when you feel like you can relate to them their positivity transparency relatability if they inspire me to be a better version of myself um when they're showing the real side of them honesty i don't like it when someone seems perfect authenticity their morals similar interests informative posts good role models it's all things like that it's not about being picture perfect yeah it's not about having like the perfect instagram yeah i definitely have absolutely realized that i'm actually very proud that i don't feel that pressure in terms of physical appearance to look a certain way she says just having extensions done but I think I don't yeah I don't look for external what do you call it external approval on my physical

appearance because I think maybe that's quite dated or maybe there are still people out there who do follow influencers just because they look pretty yeah maybe but I'm glad I'm not in that category I'd like to think so anyway I'm not in that category i wouldn't like to know if someone's following me just thing is you like you do look great like you look amazing so i guess that does play a part but i think more so people follow you because you're so real and positive and relatable and honest and transparent that's what i'd like to think yeah that's definitely why that's good good to have that reassurance same with you though again we've always like put a lot of pressure on myself and i guess like some of this is probably related to the fact that i got

bullied and i had a lot of hate and stuff before but being completely transparent like i do feel a lot of pressure to look a certain way and like in terms of face hair body everything i guess so yeah because it's like you are putting yourself out there every single day there is always gonna be pressure that i don't know for like sometimes not good enough you know i think there's definitely times where because you're taking like okay so i'm gonna use the example of me vlogging all the time like i have my face on in my vlogging camera all the time when i'm editing i catch very not nice angles i don't want to see those are blips that i have and i'm like oh god like maybe i should get a nose job or like you know tweak certain things and I think it's really hard to be on camera all the time because I think that's inevitable to criticize yourself way more than the average

person does because you're constantly having to take pictures of yourself yeah because you have to always you're constantly analyzing like you have a video done for example it wasn't that long ago that I filmed a workout and I didn't even end up posting it because i was due on and i looked at the videos and i just felt like i looked like really bloated and i was oh my god people are just gonna think so you know what but i shouldn't do that because that is real i want you to post that relatable because if you even address that in the caption say i really guys i'm gonna be honest i actually didn't post this when i planned to because of blah blah honestly you just saying that makes everyone feel less alone but then do you know what I thought about doing that but then

I thought but what if other people look at that and think I don't even look that bloated and then I get hate for that I I completely that's what I mean about like never knowing like what the right thing to do is oh I have cats about this with Anna as well I'm like when I have bad boy image days and I say I really blah blah majority comments are so positive but there are obviously a few DMs who are like that's your bad body image day haha god I must feel like I look shit that's exactly it like I never want to offend someone with my own insecurity about myself and I wouldn't want that to make someone else feel worse then also it should make people realize that what they see is completely different to what you see and that just goes to show that it's all in our heads yeah and then that should also reflect on them and like if

they're ever feeling insecure or body conscious they've got to remember that what they're seeing is actually not what anyone else is seeing or even thinking like probably the complete opposite so it's the same with everyone so even just you sharing that is opening light into self-reflection yeah with you and also with them that's very true it's just very tricky like there's always like oh but what if this and what if that I know but I guess being in this industry and having opinions left right and center if we constantly think like that we're not going to get anywhere no we're going to actually stop ourselves from doing what we truly love yeah because we let other people's opinions get in the way I definitely

made such good amount of progress with that not caring what other people think and i guess that's how we both actually started our instagrams which is absolutely guys we've had so many questions saying like how do you guys have the confidence to post how do you not care what other people think about your post are you not worried about what people who actually know you what oh my god oh absolutely definitely at the start i was so worried i just didn't want anyone from my school or my family or anything to see what i was posting because obviously it's personal content but also like they must think it's cringe even now i do think there's some stories and stuff or posts that i don't want my home friends or even not even

friends like just people went to my school because i know there are still people who follow me and they know me and their acquaintances it does worry me but I don't let it stop me from doing my job. No. At the end of the day. I guess that's it. I don't know. How did you gain confidence? I very much have always, this quote has just stuck with me, which is like, people are going

to have an opinion of you, whatever you do. So you might as well just do whatever. Same with me. Brings you happiness and what you want to do for your own life, your own goals. It's your life. Yeah, I always live by that as well. I think that's probably how we've both been able to do what we do, I think. People will judge you.

Like people judged me right at the beginning when I had 500 followers and they also judge me now when I've got, you know, more followers than that. And I also think like people who maybe want to be an influencer or whatever, but they are worried about what people think, it definitely means that it's just not right for you. No. Like even if you do get over that first barrier of starting an Instagram and then posting what you want to post, down the line, you're still going to, you know, it's going to be ingrained in you that other people's opinions are more important than your own.

Yeah. So at the end of the day, like it's just not actually a right industry for you to be in. No, you have to be okay with other people judging you yeah and hate coming your way yeah and i think you and i are both very lucky like we don't actually get much hate at all no we don't like of course the odd comment or mean dm whatever yeah or like if a post goes viral and it's just some random like sandra in her kitchen like yeah like of course that's gonna happen but we're we're lucky we don't get that we are we don't get so lucky but you have to you know risk that happening like some people

like unfortunately do get absolutely slated and attacked on social media and that's just the horrible world that we live in unfortunately yeah cancel culture is very scary yeah i'm trying to think like what i did to actually like be okay with posting on social media i remember the day i changed my name to emma fit uk when i first made my fitness account because my one of my best friends at uni was just constantly telling me to do it so i think that was a little bit more reassuring because i was like okay i'm getting an outsider's opinion and view and like if she says i really should do this and fine okay i'll do it i'll try i'll try it out and once you try it i guess you you understand that it really doesn't matter what people think and i think through practice and through just doing what we do we build that thick skin yeah

it gets thicker and thicker and you just learn to read a comment but not let it get to you yeah personally my advice if you want to start an instagram or a youtube or whatever write down exactly what your goals are and how you want that to look how you're gonna feel in you know two years three years five years from now if you're consistent with that and you build it to what you can really like yeah imagine it to be and how amazing and proud of yourself you're gonna be for making that initial scary so proud you're gonna look back and be like oh thank god i did that and like i look back on myself and i'm like i am so glad i did that i genuinely think like what is there to lose there is nothing life is too short there are so many things that people do in their lives that they just do because they're worried

about what people think or like they're trying to please other people when right we're all gonna die and it's really morbid for me to say this but i would hate to be at my funeral and question you're not gonna be at your funeral because you'll be dead i will spiritually be that but question what i did or like you know why didn't i do that i would hate to have regrets i'd hate to live with regrets yeah you can you you can't live with a regret to say like okay i regret starting my instagram which hypothetically speaking obviously i i can't regret that because at least I started at least I now know that that's just not right for me so what is there to regret about it like okay great now move on let's find something else I'm gonna enjoy so you need you I

think you really need to get clear on what could come from that and how great you're gonna feel and exactly what Millie says it's better to know you did that and tried it out rather than have regrets and always be thinking what if and you know what i think a lot of people may want to be an influencer or start an instagram account to get followers and to have that following account but i'm like you can't have that because that automatically puts you into that place where you're relying on people's opinions and other people's views of you yeah numbers and that is when it gets so toxic and you just can't do that and i can promise you now if it's followers and numbers you want you're never going to be happy

because they're always going to be a next thing you want to work towards like i remember thinking like oh my god if i get 100k followers on instagram like life's made yeah i've done it like mom i've done it mom made it made it literally but i can promise you as soon as you hit 100 you'll win 101 yeah 102 150 200 it's just so you can't get caught up on the voice i genuinely do not care how many followers i have i appreciate because of course every single one of you individuals and you know what i used to hear that when I was following my role models and stuff. And I used to hear that and I was like, you're not actually talking to me. No.

Literally, every single one of you counts. Yeah. Every single one of you counts. Every single one of you who watches our stories, comments on our posts. Who shows support. Yeah, who shows support. Who even follows us. We do appreciate you so much but it is never about

numbers it genuinely isn't and like i'm gonna be completely transparent for a long time towards the beginning it was that i think for everyone who for initially starts i think actually for a lot of people who still now who have lots of followers they still do think about that i had to do a lot of self-reflection and inward work to get past that because I would attach my self-worth and who I was as a person to how many followers I had. Absolutely I definitely did that at the start because I mean actually only up until like I think since I moved to London because I realized I was so happy when I moved to London I was like if I've moved to London like I'm happy now I'm content I'm doing what I want to do I'm free but all the time up until then I was literally checking

my following count every day because I was getting this feeling that I'd never felt before of seeing my following account grow and grow so much overnight and it was like whoa what is this like this is so exciting and my family would always ask me every day how many followers you're at now so they'd obviously reinforce that other people ask yeah like wow your account's growing so quickly it's reinforcing the fact that okay maybe like this is what I should be aiming for yeah it can really hit you hard when it goes in the opposite direction i know what you went through because i had a similar thing where there was a period of time where i gained so many followers in such a short space of time overnight it could be like five thousand yeah something ridiculous and then it went for a stage where my engagement dropped and my followers just like plateaued and

like when you are seeing your followers go up by like 5 000 a night that gives you such a big like dopamine yeah and you're like oh my god yeah like wow like you're like a drug it's like genuinely guys it's like a drug so then when that drops your self-worth drops yeah absolutely and you feel like you're not good enough yeah and no one cares and you question why people aren't following me or why yeah what am i doing what yeah what am i doing wrong wow i didn't know you experienced that as well so i've i've had to completely detach myself from that now and i for our own mental health i still like post so much of my own like personal life because i love that and i love sharing like personal stuff but i'm not gonna attack who i am as a person to how many people are watching my stories or like following me.

It's also really hard to not compare as well with other influencers. Yeah. You have to really check in every day. Anyway, I think that's a long episode,

isn't it? I feel like, should we wrap up soon? Yeah, was there any? God, there's so much to talk about, guys.

Should we answer one more? Okay, one more, one more. What does a day in the life of Emma and Millie look like as quote unquote influencers? Every, for me, every day is completely different. Absolutely. So, more what does a day in the life of emma and millie look like as quote-unquote influencers

every for me every day is completely different absolutely so okay i'm just gonna go through my day yesterday it's a very boring day for me i woke up i went to the gym i then had a call with my manager i had a meeting with a brand i then had to DMs. Oh, also before the gym, I'd have to, well, I wouldn't have to, but I would usually take a picture. Then hopefully I can like add it to my bank of pictures

that I would do if I'm ever like stuck or want to upload. And then I started editing my YouTube video for Wednesday. That took about three, four hours. I'm still doing that. And then had dinner,

went to pole fitness, recorded that, came back, edited more, and my laptop until like midnight, which is really bad, I'm sorry. And that was my day. I feel like from what a lot of you have kind of assumed in the questions is that we don't really do much of our day. Yeah, that really upsets me. We just kind of post the picture.

But yeah, that gives you a bit of insight into Millie's day. Very admin heavy, like a lot of contracts and back and forth conversations. Yeah yeah yeah lots of voice notes to my manager oh my god and not even just managers but like other people who were somewhat involved yeah your day-to-day organizing when to I don't know put in a brand deal or like go to an event or even like this like planning this yeah oh yeah that's what you also did as well yeah I guess my day is a bit different because I have a team to manage so every I guess I'll give a day in the life yesterday so I got up did some client work first thing went to the gym then I met with my manager and then we have a 10 a.m meeting every Monday with my team so that's like 10 to 11 and I had another meeting at 11 and then I did client work for

most of the afternoon then I moved on to like some social media work edited some reels wrote some Instagram captions for the week because I knew I was super busy so I had to do that yesterday so I applied in for the podcast then I did my emails then I had to reply to like more admin-y you know like slack I don't know if you guys know slack it's how I communicate with my team so then I spoke with everyone on my team and like had to reply to some emails I then had another meeting at five then I posted up my on the empower instagram my instagram replied to dms replied to comments got home fake tanned yeah started packing my basic life stuff and then just my basic life stuff and then just

did some life stuff and then I got into bed and I added some new recipes into my app that's just the day in life but every single day is so different yeah so different sometimes I have to film and sometimes I have to schedule in time to take pictures yeah sometimes I have to make a new recipe sometimes it's like back-to-back meetings sometimes it's a heavy day of client sign-ups sometimes it's really fun and you go to events and do like yeah so it's so different which I actually love yeah like it is a desk job isn't it oh yeah for sure sometimes like I will go to the gym and do my steps whilst like writing a caption or something yeah that's so me my long-term plans are going to require me to do a lot more admin stuff which is quite daunting

and i do find it hard to fit everything in one day i do find it really hard to just meet with friends so hard even like like obviously replying to them is really hard but meeting up with them is because you always have that thing in your head like oh i've got so much to do yeah because our jobs just don't stop isn't it it's so hard to take that time yeah your circle definitely becomes smaller yeah and i think those people who really just accept that and understand that they may not be able to talk to you every day or like see you as much as they used to see you are going to be the obviously the ones that stay with you and are your true friends yeah for sure yeah yeah but anyway on that note our next episode is actually going to be all about

running an online business and giving you some insights into that and like more of like the business side of things because we had so many questions about like being an influencer slash online content creator being on social media actually running a business and more of like the logistics and day-to-day running of a business how to start a business all of that so we were going to do that in the next episode yeah do you want to finish of a quote or a challenge okay a challenge i challenge you to i mean i'm looking at biscoff biscuits right over here so i challenge you to grab your favorite biscuit oh nice mine's off i think mine is like the m&s circle things with loads of chocolate on the outside they are so good they they call them

a biscuit but it's basically chocolate oh yeah it's more chocolate than biscuit yeah so do that if you don't like biscuits grab your favorite favourite food, basically, whatever you're craving, and enjoy it with no guilt. Mm-hmm. Love you. Okay, my word of the week is crapulence. Oh, okay. This sounds like a swear word. This is the sick feeling you get after eating too much.

Oh! So, guys, make sure you don't have too much crapulence after eating your biscuits. Crapulence. You know when you're just like, oh god i have eaten so much i'm so full are you actually writing in your encyclopedia i need to say emma's encyclopedia sorry credit give credit to emma imagine if i actually turn this into a book like all my fun ones you know this could be you manifesting it right now anyway we're gonna leave you guys there have a lovely day hope you like this episode and please if you did like

it if you enjoyed it please please leave a rating leave a rating share we'll do whatever you do makes it real doesn't it yeah anyway love you guys lots and we'll see you next week have a great week bye