Real Kyper & Bourne - 2026 Trade Deadline Recap with Elliotte Friedman

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee recap the trade deadline and share their thoughts on what was a quieter deadline day. They weigh in on Nazem Kadri's move back to Colorado, the Leafs' underwhelming deadline, and whether they're better set up to compete for a playoff spot in 2026-27. Then, they discuss the Islanders' swing for Brayden Schenn, Corey Perry's return to Tampa, the Canadiens standing pat, why the John Carlson trade might not be a slam dunk for Anaheim, and what it means for Alex Ovechkin's future in Washington. Later, NHL insider and Hockey Night in Canada's Elliotte Friedman (35:03) shares how this deadline compares to past years, why the Blues held on to some of their top assets, the fallout from Colton Parayko's decision to not waive his trade clause, and what other moves Brad Treliving may have been considering.  The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Okay, here we go. Special edition, trade deadline day on the Real Kipper Endborn show. Big two hours coming up. We are live on Sportsnet. Sports at 590, the fan, sports nets across the platform. Apple Podcasts, Modify, YouTube, you name it. Leaf Edition hour here 5 p.m. Eastern as we are now closed off two full hours. Since the trade deadline, a few things have trickled in,

including a very big one with NASCADRI going back to Colorado. We'll get into all of that. We've got a terrific show for you. We also got Brad Tree Living in an hour to talk about his day. Doug McLean will sneak in on this special off the rails trade deadline day at about hour and a half. In the meantime, boys. And free, gin studio in the first hour.

Oh, my gosh. forgot about Friege. That guy. Holy smokes. Put in a shift in a half today, as they always do. Yeah, we're coming right off of them. Kind of felt bad because really, everything got really kind of going a little bit towards the end of the day, whether it was Braden Shen going to the Islanders, your Islanders, J.B.

And, of course, Cadre, after the 3 p.m. deadline, they snuck it in. it didn't get reported till 4. A little after that. Yeah, I mean, I didn't hear about it until 4. So there you go. But in the meantime, like watching paint dry, boys, I've got to be honest with you. I've been through these, a lot of these, over the years.

And I felt for those guys up on the desk because all you could see is just the tap dancing going on from hour to hour. I just, I can't remember a year where there was more names in play and less happening. It's Robert Thomas and Cairo and Parakeko. It's Rasmus Ristolin and Nazim Kodry and all these names.

All the recman Larson. All the leaves, every guy on the leaves minus two. And nothing, nothing happened. And then, yeah, like around three o'clock, things started to happen. But that was a slow day, much slower than anticipated. And I would say a disappointing day for a lot of fan bases who thought their teams were going to make a big step today. like a lot of teams.

I just think Detroit got Falk or Falk OK. You know, Buffalo didn't end up getting Shen and Stanley instead of Pareko. Yeah. Tall or worse, parakeo. Yeah, you know, there's just a bunch of teams that I think were, I know Islanders fans thought it was going to be Robert Thomas for them or Cairo. Shen's still pretty exciting. Yeah, different degrees of excitement.

We're going to get in the Leafs for sure. And maybe a little bit in this, in the national hour. but we're national both hours. Just, oh, we are? Yeah, we're national. Okay. We are on national, we are on national television. We are national.

All right. Right this moment nationally. You didn't really put that in the lineup. We are live on sports sets. Sports at 590, the fans, sports at 960, 650, streaming, just at the top. That's all. Hey, when have we been able to trust what it says, the lineup? Listen, that is fair.

What you're saying is totally in the lineup is plainly focused. You're right and he's right. All right. Just a quick thought, okay? Before we break all of it down. Okay, do we have to kind of revisit this thing? Like, as a whole, as an industry, this trade deadline day from like how long we want to make people sit and wait for trades to no trade clauses killing this day to like, is it too late in? the season. Do we have to kind of

the leagues, the networks, the players association, everybody get together and go, maybe we got to fix this day a little bit. I don't know. None of that. Well, I mean, if you want to fix it, bring back the get rid of the playoff cap and bring back double retention.

Okay. I don't know. I mean, that would change things too much. But I think I think this was the year that we really saw, to Sam's point, the double retention, the almost 40% of the league with either no move or no trade. And it's like, do we really want to ask people to

possibilities of taking the day off to watch three trades in five hours? But Kip, you, as much as anyone, have been around for the evolution of trade debt. Yeah, but they were a lot better than today. All of mine were way better than this. It wasn't a thing. And you started 98 at sports now.

Yeah. And we were doing shows a few years after that. A few years after that. But before that, there was no shit. Nothing. It was just, it was. the trade deadline. Nothing.

Trades would happen. Whatever. Smoke signals to get a trade out. So for like 20 years, we've created this as like an event. Yes. And I don't know if for the players is that fair? Like the event of uprooting. I'm just saying like to be like we no more no trade clauses.

It needs to be more guys traded. I don't think anyone wants that. But but I don't want. I don't want like three quarters of the markets also very disappointed that they did nothing today and they are told now because they couldn't find someone to go to their market. That's all. I'm a fan. I'm the person they're supposed to.

Okay. And I'm glued to it. Okay. And I'm glued to my phone. So maybe what we got here in its entirety wasn't the greatest day, but it's the pursuit of something potentially happening that makes it exciting. I just don't know. It's like, was today one off?

Was today one off? or is this going to be a harder situation now moving forward because more guys continue to say, I don't want to go there. And then, you know, Colen Pareko, I'm sorry, but was an embarrassment for all of us the other day.

I think less guys may get traded in the future just generally because the cap is going to go up so much that teams can keep guys. You know, for a while there, it was like, okay. But you don't want to keep guys. Some teams are dying to get rid of their guys. Well, then other teams have the ability to take them on. I don't know.

I'm not, uh, Okay, all right, fair enough. Yeah, I think it's just maybe, if it's really brutal next year, let's have that conversation on our show. We are on a Leaf Edition Hour. Are we not, Sammy? Or are we just national? It probably says Leafsour up top, maybe there.

No, it doesn't. No, it's not. Okay, where do you guys want to start then? I think we should probably start with the Cadry thing and then we can go to the Leafs. Okay. Cadry's the biggest news of the day, no question. And you broke it, so.

Yeah. No, I did not break it. Elliot broke it, I think. Yeah. I just broke the fact that they already had a deal done the other day and it got out real quick and I think it made everybody kind of revisit that if Cadry, if you don't find a way Calgary to get Cadry to Colorado, you don't want this, you don't want Cadry coming back in that room.

Unhappy at that point if it didn't happen. That's putting it mildly. Yeah. I think you just, you would have snapped on them. Yeah. Yeah. He was ready to go back. They wanted them.

It was a fit. What's curious about it is, I have to believe they acquired Nick Waugh, thinking they weren't getting cadry. That has to be the case. I think, I don't think you're wrong. I think it's just a,

well, obviously a downgrade from what you thought you could have gotten. Now they're Cadre, Brock Nelson, Nick Waugh, Nathan McKinnon. Fourth line center. Yeah. Jack Drury, too. who is like the fifth line center.

A first rounder for a fourth liner. Yeah. Try to win a Stanley Cup. They have spent all their first. They're all in. Of course, the big news was a 20% retention that they just seemed to be totally off on. So somebody green lighted that. And I'm sure as an ownership group, you like Cadry, you respected Cadry and you did right by him.

Yeah. And now, so 20% is, he makes $7 million, so it's $1.4 million. $5.6. That's, they have them at $5.6 in Colorado. What a fantastic number. Well, this year plus three, right? Yeah, like that's. All day long, Cadreys at 5, 6.

And that's this year plus three, right? No. This year and two more after? I think it's. This year plus three more years. Yeah. Okay, there you go. You have four cup runs with the cadre at 5, 6.

I like them. You know why I like them, too? He is one guy that can sometimes maybe look at a guy like Nate McKinnon and just tell him to kind of chill a little bit. Mm-hmm. Relax. Just relax, just a tad. The chickpea pasta, bro.

We can have a donut. So, listen, they've already done it once. They've won a Stanley Cup. And they've proven that they can be a terrific one, two punches. I make no mistake. Calgary is going to finish last this year. Good. They are going to give themselves the best possible chance

at one of two or three. three guys. I mean, I shouldn't say for sure last, but, you know, in the bottom. One of the bottom two. Leafies? So. I'm sorry, Vancouver's 12 points behind them. Oh, my God.

Oh, they're awful. Golly. Okay. And they only traded. Okay. So. So we got Montreal, we got Ottawa, we got Ottawa, Winnipeg.

Where do you guys want to go? Toronto. Toronto. All right. So we're going to have general manager, Brad Tree Living at the top of the hour. I would imagine that we're going to figure out what kind of questions we're going to ask them right here, right now. But just one word to describe Toronto Maple Leafs day today, disappointing. Underwhelming.

Underwhelming. Yeah. Directionless? We were expecting a sell-off of four or five bodies. And you ended up with McMahon going to Seattle for a second and a second and a lot. fourth. Second in 2027. Fourth is this year.

Yeah. And Scott Lotton goes to the L.A. Kings for a third rounder that if I'm not mistaken, is tied to making the playoffs or missing the playoffs. Yeah. And second if they make the playoffs, which right now they're 50-50 to make the playoffs. Minus 105 on a lot of books to make the playoffs. Yeah. They have a pretty easy.

So where do you begin? Sam, yeah. Disappointed with McMahon? I don't think. I think the McMahon one is disappointing to me. I think maybe we're dreaming on a first round pick, but that one to me is your stock, free agent, 30-year-old winger,

that you're kind of going to take the highest price for the Lotton one. The third rounder seems a little bit underwhelming, especially considering what he brings. At that price, you're wondering if you just maybe keep him and try to bring him back. And that's a question for Brad at the top of the hour. is like, we all know what you paid for them. And it's getting regurgitated like crazy right now.

Yeah. With Lee fans. But why not just hold on to them? The biggest disappointment for me, for sure, is the fact, like, I was really dreaming on them coming out of this deadline with two first round picks. And they, I guess, somewhat surprisingly, got one for Nick Waugh before the cadre thing happens. I'm really surprised they didn't trade all of Reckman-Larson. And it seems that they had set a high price, which is fair.

I understand. that but you see Falk going for a first. I know he shoots right, but I just, that one to me kind of leaves a mark. And I'm surprised that we're sitting here with him still on the Leafs. So I'm not on Sam's page with the where I'm frustrated

by it. You know, OEL, I think I've said on this show that like I didn't mind if you really are talking about a retool, if you want to be good next year, you can trade this guy next year, he still has two playoff runs, he'll still have value then. I don't mind keeping him so much. The Lotton one

to me is wild. Like a third rounder for Scott Lotton. Nick Dowd went for a second and a third. You know, you saw the value Dickinson got. You know, I understand there was the Majapani money in that, but he ends up with the first. Like it just felt like low-end guys. Michael McCarran went for a second.

Like Scott Lotton's a player, man. This guy's had numbers in the league. He's played minutes in the league that to just get a third was disappointed. It hasn't had the, what numbers are you talking about? He scored 15 goals, I don't know, five times. Like multiple seasons as a, is a, is a depth scoring, penalty killing, heart and soul type guy. You can't put him up against McCarron, Dowd Dickinson,

and say he's an entire second rounder worse than those guys, right? Like Dickens, sorry, Dowd was the second and a third. Yeah. So that's the one I think so missed. Yeah. Lawton going at 257 or 258 Eastern time is Brad Tree Living, trying to get that second rounder out of anybody. And I think he probably did, right?

Like, I think that I think L.A. makes it. So I think you get a second in that case. Oh, I don't have L.A. in. No. Not a chance. I mean, they're three points back in the biggest poo-poop platter of a division. There's a chance, Kippur.

Okay, all right, there's a chance. It's crazy. I look at that roster and I don't see it. Yeah. But you're right. Okay. But that's, that is still the best, the best you can do. So I guess.

You know, we knew that there were a couple of these guys going to be out, and they were flipping some guys for assets. It doesn't feel like they have a ton of assets. You get a first, a second, a third, I think a fourth and a fifth, right? I think you get one of, but in various future rounds. And now you look at next year and they're significantly worse. They were Nick, Nick Waugh and Scott Lawton played 3C and 4C for them. Pretty good in those spots.

And McMahon was on their top line. So now it's like, okay. The most significant pieces are in 2007. Right. You're still. Yeah, those guys aren't here until 20. Right? You're still a year away.

So my question is, are they going, and I'll ask this to Braddon when we have him, do they intend to use these for picks? Or are they going to try to flip these for next season and try to take another run? That's the plan, right? I don't know. Go ahead. They're not that great picks. Even the Nick Waas is a 30th pick. It's like, who do you think?

you're going to grab for that. Another Nick Waugh. Well, I mean, you were just here watching first rounders have value. I mean, whether you think it's 30th or 26th or whatever. I don't think these picks are going to bring you back needle movers. Yeah. Right? It's going to be tough guys.

It's going to be really tough for them to look this time next year and go, yeah, we're top 16 team now. Well, I mean, that then would be super depressing. If you think that they traded Nick Waugh, Scott Lotton and Bobby McMahon, and they didn't even get any assets that can get them back players, which I disagree with you on. But that's it's a pretty... I'm not saying they can't get it back. It's just I don't, I think if the cycle kind of remains consistent,

you're kind of going to get some of the players back that it kind of gave up. Right. That's totally. And they're not difference makers. Like true different. Difference makers. When I look at the Leafs Cap Wages page or go to Puckpedia and you see where it's listed for their first round picks and their picks or whatever,

for it to still be gray for this season and with a first and a second. I don't think it's filled in yet, but you're right. First and second will still be gray. First and second. Yeah, it's got, they've got. Oh, is it updated? Well, they've got, you're right. But they don't have this year's first and second are both gone.

And I was really hoping to come out of this deadline with one of those two slots filled in. year's first or this year's second. And to have them not get either of those coming out with the assets that you seemingly had, it just, I don't know if you're waiting to the last possible second. Maybe that's a good way to do it. Just the optics of it to me just seems so similar to last year, but the opposite way. My fan, I told Sam when I got in here, my fan, like fantasy, you know, we want this team to do well.

We talk about them all the time. The dream was that they were going to get a bunch of assets for all these guys. I said to you guys last week it should happen earlier, right? As early as you could make it happen. And then there's these distressed assets out there. It's Alexei Lafranier is a guy that interests me. Maddie Bineer, Shane Wright, some of these type of guys that like,

could you buy low on someone who's still young and has some upside? And that didn't happen. Apparently you can't. Right. Right? You can't. I'm with you.

If you got the cap space and you can, how badly do you want to get rid of them? And apparently you don't. Yeah. Like, true. check. Come on. Yeah.

The Rangers are How does that not happen? Well, they got a big win last night over the Leafs, so maybe they're changing their corner. Honest to God, first time I've thought about that hockey game. I forgot about that. Oh, buddy, I've been thinking about her all day. Seems like a million miles ago. I've been thinking about it all day.

Yeah. You guys didn't have to watch and do Leaf Stock after. I've been thinking about it. Nightmare. They stink. Yeah. So, you know, I don't feel any different about their chances for next year than I did at 12 p.m. Eastern today, which is not where you want to be. Yeah, these are tree questions, right?

Like, what's the step from, okay, that was clearly step one, acquire assets. You got some. God, I just, you know, you look at the day Doug Armstrong had, put all his big fish out there and said, who wants what? end of the day, he still has Thomas Cairo, Pereco, and he ended up with two first rounders, two third rounders and prospects. He was... He was... He was very consistent with his stance.

I get what I want or I... We live to fight another day. That was obviously going into the draft. All of this, everything we've talked about, everything we've bantered the last week over these names and faces and personalities we're going to be doing it again at the draft. Yeah, the same, it'll be Trocheck and Thomas and Cairo. All of it. All of it.

All of Redmond Larson. So the Islanders did pay a pretty steep price to get Braden Shen. Are you good to? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And, I mean, Cadrian and Shen, right? I mean, two out of maybe four or five centermen that we thought could go. Shen is 34 years old.

He's two more years after this year. So three playoff runs at 6.5. For the Islanders, they got off Druan's money. That was the big one. This year, 4 million, this year and next. So it's a little bit of a Mangiopani situation there. And their pick is like the Leafs, a Colorado pick, which is probably 28, 9, 30, somewhere in that range.

God, you know. Blues jerseys are so beautiful. But so the Islanders now, they re-signed Peugeot. They're kind of, it's funny. Darsh has kind of made them heavy, like a playoff style team. Got Palat and Susie. You know, Anders Lee, they're, they're a playoff type team if they get in. When I found out it was the avalanche pick from this year in that trade, I liked it even more.

Like it's, you know, you're ahead of schedule here. Clearly, you have one of the best young players, if not the best young player in the league. And then you're, you know, you got one of the best goalies. I don't hate it. With Florida's success, no question, it's an easier pill to swallow. for their fans, their ownership, the management to take a year off, right, miss the playoffs. But for others now, like the Leafs, even Ottawa right now,

scratching and crawling to get in, this is the year in the East that a team like the Islanders can go, yeah, right? If the playoffs start today, they play Pittsburgh. You know, like go ahead and take your, you know, take your, you know, take your chances against Stu Skinner and, you know, obviously they have historic great names like Crosby and Malkin,

but after that, it's a lot of young guys. Yeah. It's a lot of Ben Kindle and crew out there. Tampa all of a sudden finds themselves on a bit of a losing streak. What do they do? They go out and they get Cory Perry. The worm. The worm is back.

He must be a single guy. He's just like trade me. I don't have a family. He's got to have a man. So yesterday, I think he does. I think he's a good. Yesterday Ken Holland went to him and said,

would you lift your no movement or no trade? And he said, no. And then I don't know if today he changed his mind. What went the other way? What did Tampa Bay? Second round pick.

He's like 47 years old. Yeah. But you got, I mean, oh no, he's special. No, I'm not. I know. But like, it is incredible.

Again, Scott Lawton. fighting to get a second and he's 30 years old. Yeah. Oh, listen. And you're giving up a second for a 40-year-old. It's like... If you're Ken Holland, you're like, yeah, I just swapped. Corey Perry for Scott Lawton, got a second, traded out a third.

Yes. I think I got better and got a better pick. So... He's got 28 points and 50 games again. But is 11 goals, 17 of 6. Yeah, man. He is special. He's Cory Perry.

He is. It's a different thing. He is. And he's got the familiarity with. with that franchise clearly and they guaranteed themselves. But he may go to a Stanley Cup, another Stanley Cup final. Imagine, I had this thought today. Imagine they go and they play the Oilers and lose to the Oilers.

Oh, man. Had that thought today. There's a documentary waiting on this guy. Thank God he won a Cup early in his career. Oilers shouldn't know. But it is, it is wide open, right? It really is. I saw a stat and I apologize to whoever had this out there.

But of the last seven Stanley Cup finals, so that's 14. teams, something like 13 of them have had expected goals, percentages over 50. You know, every team was in the final is a good team. This year, half the playoff teams are below 50. Like, it's a bizarre year where some random team, could it be you Islanders? Could it be you, Anaheim, you know? Ottawa could absolutely go on a run. Who you afraid of?

Outside the Central. It's the Central and no one else. Tampa okay, yeah, I'm scared of them a bit But like they're not unbeatable No, they're not unbeatable And Carolina, I mean, I think they're very good But a lot of people go out of them How about them trading for DeLorei boys?

It was, they were on a mission to try to get a star Tougher. No, tougher. They wanted toughness. I mean, I don't know what this does for them in the playoffs. What's worth conditional seventh round pick or future considerations? What would you rather be traded for?

I guess the seventh guy. They are. Was traded, had a deal in place for them a couple of years ago. They are a little soft. Yeah, but I mean. He's a little bit. We've seen it a hundred times. When like your core is,

when your core is like that. Putting, trying to tack it on doesn't make you tough. Nope. So true. Doesn't work. Disappointments, Montreal. Not ready. It's okay.

I don't think I heard their name today. I am okay with that. I'm okay with them going, look, and prices are high. we know that we're coming along and we don't want to blow our brains out on something right now. They got all their picks, man. I think they thought about... I thought about maybe Binnington, but it went nowhere.

Did they go anywhere on NAS, boys? I don't think, no. No? No, not that, not from my information. Surprises me. Because if you get him at whatever they got... I have six. I mean, that's for them where they're at.

Good veteran center. I don't know. That just felt like a good one to me. I think they felt he was just a little too old for them. For where they're at? For where they're at. Speeding up the process a little bit too much for them. It's an interesting thing of when to put the pedal down.

You know, I've got one of my standard, Daryl Sutter stories talks about being in San Jose, and they had a six-year plan. They were terrible. I had a six-year plan, and by year five felt like they could win. They traded Jeff Fries and for Timo Solani. And it didn't happen. sudden things start going a pot, you start rushing

things, the pressure goes up. I feel like a lot of these teams, Anaheim for me, the John Carlson trade, which we haven't even mentioned yet. I don't know, right guy wrong time situation for me. I mentioned that name a couple times earlier this week. Yeah. And people love this trade. Wasn't surprised at all.

You know what I'm not? You know what nobody mentioned all day that Washington gave up a first and a third, which is a great return and the guy could resign this summer so easily. Washington got a first and a third from Anaheim, yeah. And he could just go back there.

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if it's going to happen, but Ovi's broken up over it. It could easily be Carlson just doing the Washington capitals a huge favor here. Yeah. I mean, for Anaheim, the reason I'm more hesitant about it is they're one of the worst defensive teams in the NHL. This is like not an area that John Carlson helps them necessarily.

They already score pretty good. And then I just think those guys that, they are going to win their cup, it's Leo Carlson, Beckett Seneca, Cutter-Goche, Jackson Lacombe. You know, Carlson's not, the timeline doesn't add up to me if they're going to extend them. So it's a pretty big price to pay. And I saw people say, oh, they got covered stocked in Anaheim. It's like, yeah, but that's still an asset you can use in a different way. You never just want to go, oh, it's just a first.

Falk to Detroit. Troy it? Hold on. Hold on, hold on. We're not done on Washington yet. Okay. Oh, you want to talk about David Camp? No, I want to talk about Ovi.

Yeah. You didn't get any sound on him, did you? No, I didn't. So tell me what you thought of OVie and his reaction. Saddest day of his. It sounds like he's going to be playing for Diedem O. Mink next year. That's what it sounded like to me.

Surprise, not surprised? He's so busted up over it? Do you think now this is the, the cherry on top of the Sunday to a, his career in the NHL? Is he done? I'm asking you. You're asking if this affects things.

Well, it does feel strange that Washington appears to be punting on the year when they're as close as they are to making the playoffs. Like that part, I think, would be frustrating. They're four points out of a playoffs spot. You got an aging defenseman and you

got an incredible return. Buddy, I think it's the right move. You can't turn it down. What do they do? What did they do? They went and got Lilligrin. They got the lily pad. They got the lily pad. Do it.

So, right? I mean, it's. I'm with you. I think it's brilliant. And like I said, he has the option of going back. But is he going back with OVie going back? Or is this just the sign of it's over for OV? It's over for Carlson.

And we're moving on. I don't know. You wouldn't be talking about this if you didn't think there was some chance. This is. Yeah. I think this was a subtle way to tell OV we don't want you back. Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, they're kind of. I do. They deployed him like a field goal kicker this year. Like, they bring him out in the power play and let him stand in his rocking chair in the one-timer spot. Yeah. Stay out there two minutes. Don't skate on the power play.

He's got two different types of skates on like a kicker does. He's got an ozone deployment of 104 percent somehow. Where'd the extra four come home? Now, you can be Washington's management and going, please don't come back. Please don't come back. We could really use your $10 or $11 million on the salary cap. We don't need the bad press that comes with making of a decision. But it could be easily overseen by the owner and go, no, that's my buddy.

That's my adopted son. That's my meal ticket. That's right. Well, he's not a meal ticket anymore. He was still come to see you. He was a meal ticket, and I squeezed him and got every dollar off of him, and he's been an amazing guy, and if he wants to come back, he's coming back. Yeah, the owner would be like, listen, this guy still brings people to the arena.

Like, if I go watch a Capitals game, he's the number one guy I want to watch. Number one guy. Still. As a hockey analyst who does this for a living, first guy, yeah, because I think he's hilarious. I think he can absolutely rifle it from the spot. You have... Still now, next year. What is he got for goals this year?

You have your... There are 25 goals in 63 games. The all-time leading score in the history of the National Hockey League. Bring your kids down to watch him stand in the top of the circle and blast pucks. Watch the amazing. It really does make for an interesting conversation on where this all kind of plays out for OV and the team. But you get why... he's upset about Carlson.

They've been playing together since... I know. I mean, Carlson's been in the league since 2009. War, he didn't die. But they played together. I mean, it's your best buddies. They've been to how many games together. But all good things need to come to an end at some point.

And is this the start of the end? I think it's a fair question. And then that might change some other things. They have some good young players there, but... Yeah, you got PLD, Tom Wilson, Protas, McMichael. Ryan Leonard I like a lot. Ethan Frank, they just resigned. There's guys there.

They've got some good pieces. There's guys there. Okay. All right. We'll hit the break here. We'll hit the break. Wow. Covered a lot already.

30 minutes? You can keep going if you want. No, that's okay. We'll get Fridge in here. We got Fridge after the break? Yeah. Okay, well, just want to mention Detroit. Was that enough for you guys?

Fulk? I don't know. No, it wasn't enough. Like, it definitely makes them better. but I'm kind of waiting for Eisenman to, you know, really blow me away. Was that enough for Dylan Larkin? He should be pretty happy. I mean, he's a 20 plus minute guy legit.

You don't even believe what you're saying to me right now. No, you think Larkin would have wanted more? It's a lot better than last year. Yeah, okay. Well, low bar, they didn't do anything last year. I just, no, I feel like in a wide open year, you got a year everything's kind of coming together for you. Sider and Edvincent are, unbelievable.

They are a below average offensive team. Is Justin Falk changed that significantly? I doubt it. And I'm sure he's disappointed in that. All right. Just my guess. Okay, let's take a quick break when we return our very own Elliot Friedman.

Fresh off of Trade Day will join us next when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Dive deep into Toronto Sports and the NFL, the J.D. Bunk is podcast. Subscribe and download the show. on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. Nick Capriol's Justin Boran, Sammy McKee.

You're going to be getting from my summer. You good? Derek Brando, Brando upstairs. He mutes me. Is it James Wilson? Wilson. Wilson? Wilson. Jimmy Willie.

I'm going to get kicked out of here in a matter of moments when the one, the only Elliott Friedman steps in here and everybody listening will be happier. You think he can make it here on his own? Our boy show Collapse. Show Ali is strolling him over here as we speak. Just bring a cot and let him lay down. I didn't wake up to some strange hour tweets from Freed.

Oh yeah, the Carlson thing I woke up to this morning at like 6.30. I was like, oh, that happened. Yeah. So I'm curious to see what his schedule's been. Anything else out there before we get Frege you want to touch on? What happened around the time the Carlson thing happened? There's another one. Minnesota made some moves today.

Of course, in Vancouver, Garland. Garland. Right? Who hasn't even kicked in his new contract. I love it. So. For Columbus. You love it for Columbus?

Yeah. I think it's, I don't know, too much term still on him. Yeah. Totally. With it on an organization that really watches their nickels and dimes. But I do think they're also an organization that not a lot of players are waiving to go to. I think that's been a really big story in all this. Like the Canadian teams are having trouble.

I think the Ottawa senators tried to do nothing today? Probably not. No, they tried. They tried. It was just too expensive. And Steve Stios is still new to this. And the tendency when you're new to this is, I got to win the trade, right?

I got to look good. Yeah. I cannot. I can't lose. lose it and I can't look like I'm inexperienced. I got a, and I don't think there was a good enough deal out there. I actually think that's evolved in the NHL. I think it used to be two GMs being like, I got something that can help you.

You have something that can help me. We both have too much at these different positions. Let's make a trade. These days it feels more competitive. You want to win your trade. I do think Vogel's a nice pickup for him. He'll play with Pinto, I think, on the third line. He's big.

It costs him. It cost him a pick the head in the couch cushions. Big, big strong guy. And again, I mean, we value draft picks, no question, as we, everybody should. But I don't. Third rounders may. What's the third rounder to play 200 games at 15%? If you can get an NHL player for third, fourth, fifth, six, do it.

Go get an NHL part. All right. Let's welcome him in. Elliot Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 thoughts. And coming off, I don't know how you would describe this. trade deadline from others in the past, Elliot, but started slow, finished strong. Yeah.

Was it the slowest you've ever been a part of? For me, I can't recall. You know the only one. Four or five trades going into the last hour. The only one I ever remember that was slower than this one to start. Do you remember the one where Mark Stone went to Vegas? Like nothing happened all day. And then he got traded at like 257.

For some reason, that's the one I remember as the slowest. But there was a time there when I was like, I'm definitely not earning my money today. I just hope nobody notices. Well, it's also, it's not your job to create trades. Well, some people would disagree with that. Yeah. Well, the fascinating thing today was all the big names, particularly the blues players that were rumored to be out there, that things didn't happen on.

I guess why do you feel like today was as? stagnant as it was. And I recognize that it did get moving towards the end. But I still think most people thought more was going to happen. You know, guys, I think there's two things. Number one, I think that the double retention thing really hurts. You know, this year, if you want to double retention, you had to trade for a guy, I think, on December 2nd.

So, like, that's, that hurts. That really hurts. And the second thing is, and I don't have a problem with this. I really don't have an issue with this. you sign a contract, you live up to the contract, you honor the contract. But the no trade clauses, like in St. Louis, that absolutely was a huge factor.

And I would suspect that not only it was it the ones we knew, but I would bet that some of the St. Louis players had indicated, even before trades got done, there were some situations they were not going to be waiving to. So I think the no trades and no moves, they play a, like with Carlson, John Carlson, like Washington said, we are not even going to ask him about a team on his list.

Now, they had plenty of other teams they could talk to, but even if you don't have a full one, you have a partial one, it cuts down business. Yeah. Did you think the situation with Paraco and St. Louis and Buffalo and how it leaked out and how it got right to the last detail

about everything, all things considered, felt like a done deal. We talked about it like it was a done deal. And then, of course, the no move kicks in and the thing shut down. Do you think something like that would have the league, the Players Association, you know, everybody involved? We look at all of this and go, what are we doing here? Well, it's a great question. Like, I don't know.

Did you guys watch Doug Armstrong today? Yeah, he said he went through the staff. He went through the. I mean, you can do that. That's crazy. And that's one of the reasons that I'm so particular with sources is because I know that there are people that would do that if they could. You know, I'll say this, Nick.

Do what? Like go through phones. Okay. If they could. I'll say this. I've told the story now a couple of times. I left here on Wednesday after doing a hit with Dave Amber 630. I got a call from a guy who's been in the league a long time, an executive.

and he said you're going to listen to me yell at you for 10 minutes. And this was the night the Uighur thing happened. And I said, okay, we get along really well. And he just screamed at me about, like, what a disgrace the Pereko thing was and the Uighur thing was. And it happened to Jason Dickinson, too. Like, he didn't wave.

He was going to, but he didn't. Were you a proxy for his general frustration? It wasn't so much you specifically. Well, I reported the Uighur, so I was part of the barrage. But, like, he was just saying, like, I need to, you know what he said, It's like a bad look. That's what he said.

Yeah, I described it as having egg on everyone's face. Yeah, I mean, you know, first of all, like I said, in my case with Flames in Utah, I didn't find out from the team. So nobody was using me to put pressure on someone. I'll tell you this, today I was really careful about the Braden Shanwin because he, I wanted to make sure when I reported it, that he had actually agreed to wait for all this reason. I don't know what you can do, Nick,

but there's no question that this left a bad taste with everyone. Just stop handing them out like candy. Let's start there. Yeah, you know what? Like, I thought BXA made a good point. Like sometimes you take a couple hundred thousand less a year. And you pay for it. And you pay for it.

But, you know, Nick, I do think in the next CBA, and we just got through the last one, I do think you'll see the possibility they take game at some of this stuff. Yeah. I mean, people do like player movement. From a league perspective anyway, It is entertaining.

No, no, less cool for them. In studio, Elliot Friedman joins us on trade deadline day. Elliot, the biggest story in Canada, NASCadry. A deal apparently was on the table. Yesterday. We both talked about it, not passing the smell test, I think, in Calgary with the owners. Retention was a big deal throughout negotiations all season long. if we mentioned Cadbury possibly being traded,

they ended up retaining 20% of it. How surprised were you? I was shocked. You know, I watched you guys yesterday. I was listening to what you guys had to say. And, you know, I honestly, Nick, after they made the Nick Wad deal, I just assumed it was all over. It was dead.

And so when I heard about it today, I was shocked. But, you know, first of all, how about the Avalanche making that deal? And they don't give up anybody. from like the core of their team. But, you know, Nick, I give the flames a lot of credit. You know, they could have eaten this one. Cadre was a good flame. He was a good flame not only when they were good,

but he was also a good flame when they weren't very good. Like the players, especially the young players will tell you how helpful he was. At the end of the day, they did the right thing. And you just hope, like, I'm a believer in good karma. And you hope that that's good karma. But Nick, honestly, I didn't see any way this was happening after yesterday. I'll take it to another Canadian team, Toronto Maple Leafs. They had sat out three guys.

They moved Nick Waugh outside of that group and then move McMahon and Lawton. I personally thought the Lawton return was a little light. But was there other Maple Leaf deals that were being worked on that were close? Or was this sort of all they were able to muster up? I don't know that there was anything else yet that was close. OEL, I heard, never got close. I think Echman Larson knew that there were teams that wanted them, but they set that price of a first and a second.

And like, even Edmonton, like, Echman Larson at least knew that the Oilers liked them. They never went to him with anything. Like it was never close. You know, McMahon, I'm trying to think if there was anyone else. Like, I think by the end, they had almost everybody out there. Yeah. Like almost everybody out there.

And like they were willing, I heard this week, like, they were like, if you want to call us with an idea, we'll listen to that idea. And I would bet that they got calls about guys like McCabe. And ultimately they just didn't decide to do it. But I heard the leaves were out there. Like I said, I wrote yesterday with Nyes. Well, yeah, you put Matthew Nyes as the lead pitcher. I know that was your editorial choice for sure.

They told me they were going to do it. I didn't think it would crash the site. Like, you know what? I think there was something to that. I think they said, like, you know, it's not like we're throwing them. Like, they just said, like, if you want to make us a huge offer that would make us think about Matthew Nyes, they wanted people to know that if you want, if you're serious, come at us seriously and we'd look at it. And we were just talking about it earlier before you came in that, you know, with the fact that Nyes was out there,

say what you will about how close or how realistic. It was Robert Thomas Patterson in Vancouver Elliot these stories aren't going to go away now No they're not They're out there

There's like nice It wasn't just like a throw it out And see if we can hit a home run They're going to do the same thing at the draft They're going to do it after free agency It won't leave Right I agree

I mean you're going to be a busy guy I'll be golfing But Well you got you got two more months of shows You got plenty of dust You can kick up before that. But now that it's out there, I mean, you know, it's, like I said, those definitely won't go away. Like, I'll tell you this.

Like, Nick, you've done this job. You know if you get something wrong, people call you and they tell you, what the hell are you doing? Nobody called me to say, what are you doing? To me, like, so I'm thinking about nyes. But somebody will call you and yell at you for 10 minutes. That was a good friend, though. He was just venting. He was venting.

I have spent time thinking about nyes and what does that potentially mean? Like, is there another like a D that's that age that's valuable on a team who has too many D? You know who I wondered about? I'll tell you. These are some of the guys I wondered about it. Well, like when I heard that Nemich was out there, I wondered, could that be a package? I understand. But that's the, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to be a tiny goal scoring defense man.

He has young. I see it. Like, like, I'll just. I don't say this. Like, I never thought. When they signed Nyes last summer, and it's a great contract, I never thought, like, it's not about Matthew Nyes. It's not. It's about the situation the organization finds itself. How do we get somebody who can run a power play from the back?

Or how do we just get, how, like, now at least they have, because of the W-Dle deal and the McMahon deal and the Lotton deal, they got picks now. They got lottery tickets. They didn't have a lot of lottery tickets. I don't think this is about Matthew Nyes at all. It is about the situation that they're in. Elliot, does it feel like the general managers out there this year may have felt a little bit more pressure in years past? Like I look around and I'm like, I get Stevie Eisenman, Detroit, you know, the son of, you know,

the illich is pretty much, the adopted son. But I felt pressure that he feels right now for, for, for, Detroit and went out and got Falk. I mean, it was up against his captain challenging him just a year ago about lack of participation in last year's trade deadline. I look at Toronto. I look at

New Jersey. Like, you know, those general managers, Brad Tree Living, Fitzgerald, I'm like, is it because of the double retention and these caps and lack of movement that they're feeling it even more

this year than a year's past these general managers? I think there's that. And also, Nick, I think the fact the cap is going up, like the expenditures are going to be so much more, right? And these teams are so much more valuable. Like we saw, you know, Columbus yesterday, our Carolina yesterday. And with small percentage shares, the valuation's always higher. But like, there's, there's a lot of money at stake here. They're paying a lot of money for their teams. They're paying a lot of money for their payrolls, the expectations and the pressure, it's

enormous. Jobs pay well too. Jobs pay well. Stan Bowman, is he feeling it? How could you not? Like, especially you know, with McDavid only signing it for two years. You see his comments by the way after the trades? I don't know if you saw McDavid the last day or so, but you know, they asked him how he felt about, he was like, yeah,

they think that those guys can help, so. You know what? I'll say this too. I watch this now. I know. Read too much into it. You know what I think it is? I think that social media is such a powerful force now. People don't want to pour gasoline on their own fires. They're like, if I say anything,

people are going to run with, I really think that happens. Particularly him. Yeah. Biggest name or surprise that didn't move today for you. Didn't. Oh, I would say, I think Thomas would probably have to be that guy. Thomas or Cairo, because they were definitely out there. Trocheck.

Trocheck would be another one. Um, those, Ristelanin couldn't find a partner. I think at the end for Detroit, it came down to a choice, Falk or Ristelanin. And they took fault. Really? Yes. I do.

Wow. Yeah. I think it was one or the end. Ristelan has not had a good year, but he had a good Olympic. Oh, he was good. It was really good in the Olympics. And that drove the price up for, for a Breyer to want a Carlo situation that the Leafs took on Boston last year with, uh, with him.

And last one quick, I know we have to get to break here pretty quick. Minnesota Wild did stuff, right? They did. Brink, McCarren, Fellino, Petrie. Are they? I just wonder at the end, are they going to look at it and say we didn't get that center? We didn't get that guy. Now, I think Garen looks at it like we're going to build, we're going to be here for a while.

So I can find it another way. But I just wonder if this year they're going to say that one hole is going to be a problem. Right. Although I think Quinn Hughes erases a lot of problems. Yeah, he fixes some things, doesn't he? You know out there for half the game. Papers over a few issues. Well, like always, a great job.

You guys, too. Great work, guys. Thanks for coming in, man. My pleasure. That is Elliot Friedman. Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet, 32 thoughts. Does it all around here. Get a good rest, my friend.

Free agency just around the corner. Also, the layoffs and the draft. All right. Plenty more on this trade deadline day. general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs Brad Tree Living set to join us at the top of the hour and a former one as well on a

Friday. Doug McLean, uh-oh. Well, that's right. Yeah. Off the Friday with Doug McLean. Don't go away. We're just getting started here.