Real Kyper & Bourne - Brand New Buds

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee kick it off with reactions to another handful of trades around the league, including Patrick Kane heading to the Big Apple. Also, the Jesse Puljujärvi/Oilers divorce is finally complete and there's still more to come for Edmonton and Ken Holland. They are joined by Zach Hyman of the Oilers (20:33), who discusses the evolution of his role this season, what it's like playing with Connor McDavid and the pressure brought on by a big Canadian market near the deadline. Blackhawks analyst (and stand-up comedian) Scott Darling talks about his act and what Jake McCabe brings to the Leafs (40:51). Then, full reaction and breakdown on mid-show breaking news that the Leafs are trading Rasmus Sandin to the Capitals for Erik Gustafsson (47:44). Jason York of the Coming In Hot Sens Podcast shares his thoughts on how the Leafs' recent additions change their chances, Dubas going all in and a deadline and season outlook for the Ottawa Senators. Then, MORE breaking news as the Leafs aquire Luke Schenn and ship Engvall out to the Islanders (1:21:34).The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is real Kipper and born on Sportsnet 590 the van. We're closing in to a trade deadline day. Yeah, three more days. I just can't believe the amount of trades that have happened already. Holy mackinac! Anything left? I don't think for the Leafs. There might be some dregs out there for some other teams.

Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Derek Brandeo, David Sissboomba, Sammy McKee, all on the board for the next two hours. We're glad you're here with us. Wherever you are watching, listening, Sportsnet 590, The Fan, our YouTube channel, Sportsnet Now, iTunes, Spotify. Going to be a fun two hours picking away at what's left. Going into Friday deadline, 3 p.m. Eastern.

Zach Hyman's going to join us in about 20 minutes. Leafs and oilers tomorrow night oilers coming off a tough loss to the boston bruins which was a highly entertaining game yeah a lot of talent mcdavid mcdaviding out there a lot of pace a lot of paces they say for sure scott darling former nhl goalie nbc chicago and if I'm not mistaken, stand-up comedian. Current stand-up comedian. I heard that correctly. The only person weirder to become a stand-up comedian

might be Tom Brady. What was that tweet today? That Tom Brady's going to try stand-up comedy? I chose to ignore that. Okay. Anyway, Scott Darling does do it for real. I hate when people say, oh, he's a stand-up comedy, and it's like, be funny.

It's like asking me for sports takes outside of here. It's like, be funny. Give me the take. We'll ask Hockey. I'll try some material on him. Oh, you're going to try your material? Yeah. It sounds like a nightmare segment.

I'm going to be just wincing over here. I'm going to try something on him. Material. And I would appreciate it between now and Scott Darling. You can come up with something. I'm evolving. JB, you as well. I will do nothing other than that.

We're going to each try and we'll compare it to what he presents us and we'll see where we are on stand-up comedic material. I did not approve this as a producer. It's not good. No, no, no. I'm telling you right now, Sammy. You better not come up dry on me. Between now and Scott Darling,

I need something out of you. I'm thrilled. You're not going to want to miss it. Anybody who's watching or listening, you're not going to want to miss this. This is going to be... I don't know what it's going to be. Taking a huge dump. Hey, Derek.

You took the whole week off and now you dropped that one on me. All right. Before we get into all the hockey stuff, I was just watching the Blue Jays spring training, preparing for our show so deeply as I always do. Yes. The pitch clock in baseball has saved the sport. It is.

After two games. Unbelievable. It's so good. Really? The pace of the game, I can't believe the difference. Can you imagine? It's like everyone is Mark Burley. He just gets it and go, gets it and go.

It's unbelievable. So I love it, love it, love it, 100% on board. But can you imagine if someone has a crucial ball or strike called against them in a playoff game at a crucial moment? It's going to be drama. You know what's going to happen there, right? I'm sure going to let it go an extra. Well, you can't because it's it's black and white right now if the clock is gonna be out of your hand is that the idea or

you have to be in your motion it's it's there's no wiggle room on it but here's the thing i think once we get to playoffs it'll probably be loosened up a little bit i would imagine i think one of the i mean we don't need to get into it too much but i think one of the great things about playoff baseball is the anticipation between pitches and kind of the buildup or whatever. So I could see them being a little... So it's 15 seconds. 15 seconds with no one on. You know how bad MLB would look if they went from 15

during the regular season to 18 in the playoffs? Well, I think they just... I would just scrap it for the playoffs. No, they're not going to... Again, they're going to look bad. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying. I'm not going to turn this into a negative.

My second favorite sport to watch is now 10 times better. I think it sticks. 100%. Anyways, good talk. And Ricky Tiedemann, Jay's top prospect, absolutely dealt in this game. Has a sick arm tattoo. Looks awesome.

So there you go. We'll get into so much. But last night in dallas vancouver did you watch that one i did not it's good i was losing a marginal beer you watched that one i i watched the end of it oh because i think sports that went to it okay and kuzmenko kuzmenko unbelievable late in games but did you see see all the standing around on that one? No, I didn't see the goal. It came off of an entry, whether or not Bouvillier had possession over the blue line or not.

But here we are in baseball, and they're speeding it up with 15 seconds and you like it was like watching paint dry a pitch clock on refs they waited and everybody standing around and the guys don't know whether to go on and off the ice and i'm like it looked exactly like uh the nhl skills competition in between events. That's tough. That's tough luck. Exactly. So it's just ironic that we're talking about baseball and how quick it's moving now.

And last night, everybody stood around and watched paint dry. Good goal. Okay, everybody go home now. That's tough. That's tough. We got to make some time restrictions on the reviews. Anyways. All right.

Where do you want to start? Leafs practicing in Seattle today at 3.30. We expect to hear where everybody slotted, Sammy. Yeah. We'll see some practice lines, which are always exciting. But I think we should. Can we mention Patrick Kane just got traded? I would think that would probably be the lead.

Patrick Kane. Not official yet. No. And it can't be official until five o'clock in fact 501 501 yes is that right yes 501 because then your cap hit counts for wednesday the next day and the rangers are down to scrape it for nickels and the couch cushions to fit this guy in so it hasn't happened officially i had heard uh i heard yesterday that it was a second and a fourth so i guess the second is conditional.

So what's up with, like, you don't want to be an insider anymore? You know this stuff. You texted. I knew. Yeah. You just don't want the drama anymore? I don't know. Sometimes if I feel like it, I'll put it out.

Sometimes if I don't. Like, you know, once upon a time, I was paid a lot of money to do that. Yeah. And you were, you know, and it a time, I was paid a lot of money to do that. Yeah. And you were, you know, and it's. You do. You put yourself out there. It was your job back then. Now it's not my job.

Yeah. So, you know. It's much easier on this side with me just throwing darts. It's one of those. If I feel like it, I will. If I don't, I won't. But I had heard a second and a fourth. My first thought when I heard it was, this is Pat Kane.

That's an embarrassment. Of a return? Yes. Ah, no. I mean, you understand how it gets to where it is. I understand it. I just think it kind of sucks. He is better than that.

Chicago needed to play this out to get a better return on that and between taves and kane and watching this organization the last five years stumble you should have been able to get a better return than a second and a fourth for taves and cane when you had ample time to build this yeah well tave's still there right that's still going to be a thing presumably in chicago contract's over right i don't want i don't think they want him back no okay that's interesting the cane one what is the condition that makes the second the first that i don't know conference finals rangers winning two rounds makes it a first yeah and i wonder if that is any lottery protection on that not sure it doesn't say i don't know but

wait thousand percent yeah yeah okay but you know when i when i look uh when i think of uh you know at least i get picks and you had sammy the list of chicago's picks coming up and it was like it's an embarrassment of out the yin yang yeah so now they'd have seven second round picks and when when you give up like the Brinkett and like Kirby Doc, Kane, Taves out there, like you got to get a prospect. You got to get some sort of kind of blue chip type of prospect. Like they got nothing. No, it's crazy as next year, like who's on the team. Here are forwards under contract for the Blackhawks next year.

Tyler Johnson, Jason Dickinson, Colin Blackwell, Cole Gutman, David Gust, Boris Kachuk, and Taylor Radish. Those are all the names that are contracted forward for the Blackhawks next season. So I understand you don't want to win, but you don't want to embarrass yourself either. How many years they've been bad now five yeah six scuffling for six or hard they were in the didn't they make like the bubble playoffs and they beat somebody

in the bubble playoffs i don't know sounds right i thought they i thought they they played as somebody in the first round of that and they beat edmonton yeah didn't they beat the oilers okay so that was two that was three years ago does that that was not based on like a turnaround in the organization that was kind of a one-off wasn't it like the canucks beat vegas didn't they or sorry they they canucks won a couple of rounds through that whole thing, didn't they? Yeah. That was still off the backs of Taves, Kane, and Keith at the time too, right? Mm-hmm. So it wasn't like there was a new wave and your new fresh blood came in and now we're growing into a different direction.

Like they were really, really, they stunk this year. Is that where this is going in conclusion? No, I'm just saying that when I just watched the way this whole thing's kind of concluded for Kane and Taves, I'm disappointed for Chicago Blackhawk fans. That it couldn't turn around quicker. It couldn't turn around quicker. You didn't get a ton in return when it's all said and done. And how far are you away from contending now with all those picks and they're not even prospects they're picks

right so you got to turn them into prospects how far are the chicago black hawks away from competing again so they here's what they did in the last four years eight years since they won the championship five yeah they've won they've lost in the first round twice out of the playoffs twice lost in the first round and then out of the playoffs and then this year they'll be out of the playoffs so it hasn't been but they also won three championships so i would probably trade you know yeah i get kip's point here though it's like you have 10 years ago all these picks yeah you have my dad was five the last time the least won the cup so i think i you have 10 years ago all these picks yeah my dad was five the last time the least won the cup so i think i'd take 10 years ago but the point i think is that they could they got to

turn some of these picks into human beings it's like yes you know you can't harvest a crop before you plant seeds here and all they haven't even bought the seeds yet so long ways to go okay where else you want to go you want to start with uh the d available d out there you want to talk about the league and a memo watching them are we going to wait for that well do you want to talk about pulley rv getting truly rv getting traded to carolina that's so perfect for him and it's so carolina to go get him they got a big analytic staff there and he's an analytic darling. There you go. That is unlike them, though, I think, to pay for someone who doesn't have term.

But I don't think they paid anything at all in terms of prospect capital. They traded a kid who's a UFA at the end of the year who third rounder doesn't seem like he's much of a player. So I am really happy about this trade because now I don't have to spend any more time talking about Yessie Pooley-Arvey. It's one of those guys that's forever going to be a debated guy because the fans loved him and some numbers people loved him and the team hated him. The fans loved him. Loved him.

Stop it. The Bison King. He had a moment there where he was like a fan favorite for sure with all those stupid pictures of him with his face, his tongue out. People liked him a lot. In his first year. Recent. Yeah, I would say even when the Bison King was like within the last

two years that he had that nickname. This was a disaster draft pick. Who did he go? But he was Austin Matthews, line A. And then he went fourth to Edmonton because Columbus,

with their Finnish general manager, Yarmo Kukulainen, didn't draft a Finn. So he passed on him? He passed on him and took he took dubois right pierre luke dubois so a fin passed on a fin he knew he knew he knew yeah he knew that's interesting that should be a red flag if you're picking after them why would the guy who has all the contacts there not pick him exactly you know that guy would know wouldn't he all the contacts there not pick him? Exactly. You know, that guy would know, wouldn't he? No, we're still going to pick him. We picked him.

Oh, we picked him. That guy knew somebody that knew somebody when he was like in the maternity ward. You know? Fair enough. And then you passed on. Matthew Kachuk. Matthew Kachuk. Yeah.

Like, where were the others? Who's that? Is he fourth in the NHL squad right now? on matthew kachuk matthew kachuk yeah like where would they go who's uh any sammy do you have that draft yeah i got it right in front okay who's the who's the d out there that they passed on as well uh sergachev went ninth chikrin too if i'm not mistaken uh he was he was down further yeah okay he went uh 16 to ari Okay, they're trying to. Vancouver took Oli Ulevi. They're trying to trade for him desperately. I know. He was right there for you. In the middle of the draft. Oli Ulevi was the first defenseman in that draft taken.

And Charlie McAvoy went 14th in that draft. God, I could, if you're an NHL general manager, never look at the drafts. I know. Who went behind you? It would keep you up at night. It's tough but the oilers are rumored to be in on jacob chickering and matthias eckholm as they should be two giant names i mean i they would have to move some salary the pulley rv deal is part of that creating space

for a big contract like that but this is exactly what should be happening you watch that oilers team last night yeah god they they have a lot of ability they just need a couple of guys that can protect the lead and play d zone we're gonna get to zach hyman edmonton oiler forward former toronto maple leaf of course in about five minutes uh we're gonna get into a lot including last night's game against the boston bruins and yeah it just seemed that uh maybe that that's the part that's missing for the Oilers last night to beat the Boston Bruins because it was a good game. I mean, it was fairly close, but no question, Boston deeper. Yeah, McDavid doing his thing right now is,

I just can't remember, I don't think I've ever seen a player look like McDavid looks these days. What a thrill. 50 goals, 100 points, nobody close to him. is I just can't remember. I don't think I've ever seen a player look like McDavid looks these days. What a thrill. 50 goals, 100 points, nobody close to him. I mean. Did you guys want to touch on this, the memo about closely, the NHL memo about closely scrutinizing trades where players are acquired within the intent of keeping them out in LTIR

until the playoffs? We can touch on it, sure. Do you have a thought on it? Yeah, my thought is that they made their bed with Tampa Bay and Kucherov, and that's just the way it is. And I'm sorry, but you can't call it cap circumvention when it's within the rules.

Yes. You know, like if this is, we have allowed players to do this in the past, a CBA loophole needs to be tightened up, but you can't just say you can't do it. And it's like, well, actually, it's within all the rules you've laid out. So yes, I can.

If Nyquist or Monaghan are not healthy today, but they still have a chance to be in the last week of April or wait to the first round. Yeah. Then sorry. Right. Tampa did it.

And you say, you know, I traded for this guy. If he's healthy before we'll put them in and we'll have to make some other arrangements, wave some guys, you know, don't,

don't worry about my cap. I'll manage it. And then what do you know? Yeah. Not healthy till playoffs. How many, how impossible do they want to make player, even more impossible do they want to make player movement?

Yeah. It's like you make all these incredibly tough rules. We know. We know what's going on. It's because the Leafs did it with Riley Nash. Now they have to fix it. You can't fix it till you negotiate it. Very funny tweet from the Oak Leafs.

That's like, you know, the Leafs take tuba playing lessons. And the NHL is like, new rule, can't take tuba lessons. Yeah. It's like the Leafs can't do it. Remember when they had... They had refs at a summer skate. At their scrimmage? Nope.

No refs. They kicked down the door with a SWAT team to get the refs out of there. Gary's goons running in there. I just... I don't know. It just feels needless. You could, I think the memos about a reminder don't embarrass us. That's all.

I would like one team treats for all three of those guys. Really be careful here. That's all. Yeah. And just be discreet. I think that's's all. Yeah. And just be discreet. I think that's the message. Yeah. Okay.

So on the Leafers front, if I may, if we're done with that little tidbit, you know, they do have to clear cap space to make room for Murray if he comes back. I put some thought into the Leafs today. I don't know. How much, how hard is it going to be? It's not that hard. I think they have to clear like 1.2. So are we going to see some guys shorten bench?

Are we going to see guys up and down? That's the beauty. But I've seen stuff on the internet where it's like, oh, they're going to have to trade Kerfoot. No, I don't think so. No, I don't either. I think you find a way. I think if someone gets hurt in the next two days, you say, good news. You get a 10 day vacation or whatever LTIR is.

Maybe it's 10 games. Someone's going to. Two week vacation. vacation i was gonna get hurt yeah either way someone's going on ltir wow so who's getting hurt need it maybe you need tavaris to say hey jt we talked about load management you're gonna get you got hurt last game sorry to tell you. You don't need long-term, though, IR. Would IR still do the trick? I don't know. Just somebody hurt maybe could do the trick, or you have to put them on IR.

Yeah, you would need to put them on IR, but whether it has to be LTIR or not, I don't know. Or can you just send guys down? You can, but then you risk them getting claimed. No one is waiver-ex exempt on their team so everyone everybody has to clear waivers yeah okay i didn't know that but like you know are people clamoring for zach aston reese out there and maybe a team going to playoffs thinks they could use them yeah he probably gets claimed actually he makes like 840 or something like that so sandin no no no uh aston reese if he were to be waived he probably gets claimed i don't think so no that salary and

he can play a fourth line role everyone wants depth i yeah i don't know i i i wouldn't sweat that one out there's a couple names on waivers today isn't there they got hunt you could put them in different uniforms. Oh, yeah, the Leafs do have Hunt, don't they? He still exists. He's still there. No joke. I forgot about that entirely.

All right. All right, let's go. Zach Hyman, Edmonton Oilers. Hey, thanks for joining us. We know you played last night. It was a tough game, but we really appreciate you coming on our show. Thanks for doing this.

Of course. Thanks, guys. Happy to be on. Yeah. So, like, let's start with just, you know, your hockey club. And last night facing a Boston Bruin team that certainly has done a lot to impress a lot of people throughout the league. Just your overall thoughts on how you measured up last night. We found it a real entertaining game.

We know you guys were a little short on the outcome, but what does a game against the Boston Bruins do to you to find out where you guys are at? Yeah, I think it was obviously a really competitive game, probably our most playoff-like game of the year, really high-paced, and obviously with what they've done this season, it was a game that you can use as a measuring stick, as the cliche goes, right?

But I think I thought it was a really good game. I thought we were right in it the whole way. And, yeah, I think it was a good game for us to kind of just experience a team like that that's run through the league this year. Zach, good to have you on. Been a while since we've had a chance to chit-chat. I was hoping you would get to weigh in a little bit on your evolution as a player here. You know, at 30 years old, you're in the top 20 in NHL scoring,

well over a point per game with career highs in basically every category. How do you feel that you've got to the point you're at where your offensive game has really become such a weapon for you? Hey, Barney. Good. I think it's a little different than our Marley days. Just a bit, yeah. Yeah.

No, I think, like, as a player, if you're not a Connor or an Austin and you don't come into the league and kind of light the league on fire, you have to get into the league and try to stick in the league by doing something. And for me, when I first came into the league, it was just trying to be an everyday player and just focus kind of on the grind and the defensive side. I think every year I've tried to develop the offensive side of things and develop holding on side of things and develop

holding on to the puck and having patience and little touches through the neutral zone and the offensive zone, things like that. Obviously now I'm at the point in my career where I'm pretty confident as a player to be able to make

plays and not just put the puck in. Whereas in the beginning of my career, I would, you know, dump it in. Now, holding, looking to make a play, and it doesn't hurt playing with guys like Connor and Leon and Nuge as well, so. Can you talk about that transition? Because I know early in your Leaf career,

Zach, you know, with a guy like Mike Babcock, there was a sense that you were going to be the bulldozer for skilled guys. You were going to go in there. You're going to crash and bang. You're going to open up lanes. And we saw that. And you were very successful.

But that light switch that went off, when did that happen for you that said, I can do more than just dump and chase here. I can make plays. I can do the than just dump and chase here. I can make plays. I can do the things that you just spoke of moments ago. When do you really feel like that kicked in? I think it's a gradual thing. I think every year, you know, as a player, you try to get better. And I think a lot of people have the misconception

that you hit your prime offensive years at a certain age, whereas for me, I came out of college and I started my NHL career older than most young guys do. I think as you gain more experience in the league, as you gain more confidence, as you get more games played, you earn more of the coach's trust and you earn more of the it's you know cliche word the leash from the coach to to give yourself you know opportunities to make more plays um but you know so i think i think that goes into i think it's also having the mindset of just understanding the league and every year working on things that you know you watch video and you see yourself do certain things you know and then you watch, you watch video and you see yourself do certain things, you know, and then you watch it on the video and you watch other players

and you can kind of pick up little tricks and traits. And I remember early on in my career watching, you know, JVR in front of the net and it just seemed like, you know, every time you touch the puck, you just had an extra second of patience and was able to kind of lift it over the goalie's pad or make a play and not rush things. And I remember watching that and thinking, you know, why can't I do that? So I just, you know, worked on stuff in front of the net

because that's where I spent most of my time and just working on little patience and little touches and things like that. I didn't just sit there and shoot pucks from the middle because that's not where my game is. Zach, do you see some similarities between this Oilers group that you're with and the Leafs team that you were on here in Toronto? I just think of a couple of superstars, an organization looking to break through, you know, sometimes take some heat about defense but can score with the best of them.

Does it feel like you're in similar places or is it a totally different type of vibes between the two groups? No, I think it's a fair statement. I think when I chose to come to Edmonton, one of the big reasons was because of the parallels between the two teams and the sense of comfort between what I had going on in Toronto and what I was going to in Edmonton.

And I think having played in Edmonton for almost two years now, I think those comparables are definitely valid. I think both groups have high, high-end skill and players that can score and that can make you pay. And I think both groups are younger and looking for playoff success. And I think obviously we were able to have a little bit of that last year making the Western Conference Finals. But both teams want to win, right?

And I think, you know, that's the key. But, yeah, I think both teams are built in a similar manner with that high-end, you know, core. So, yeah, it's definitely a comparable situation. We're talking to Zach Hyman, Edmonton Oilers forward, and a guy that's helping out Connor McDavid a lot these days. I mean, I don't know if he's got 20 or 30 goals without a guy like you. In all honesty here, is there, and don't take this the wrong way, but is there some times that you even get caught watching this guy

and while you're on the ice go oh my god i cannot believe what i just saw yeah yeah no he's he's the best player in the world and yeah it's it's not really close to be honest like i played with a lot of good players and and he's he's on another level just in every sense of what he does. Yeah, he just has an extra gear that nobody has, and he's just so driven. Yeah, he's one of a kind, and I think everybody who watches him can see it. When you play with him,

you get a greater sense of appreciation for what he's able to do. And obviously this year he's taken on more of a scorer's mentality and you can kind of see the results, obviously. So what's it like right now being on this Oilers team where you're a couple of points out of division lead here? You're in the chase. Trade deadline is a couple days away. You know, it's a weird thing where you want better players to come to your team,

but it can come at the cost of guys in the room. What is the feeling of anticipation like when you're waiting for something to happen here? Yeah, it's always a weird time of the year. I think it's a little bit of a waiting period. We have a couple games before the deadline, but obviously we made a move today, and yesterday I was going to Carolina, so we'll miss him. But at the same time, in the locker room,

it's obviously a feeling of excitement when you have a group that you're confident in and you have a team that you think can go out and win, and this time of year is where you fine-tune it and add pieces. And as a player, you try not to think about it too much because there's really nothing you can control. You just can control the results on the ice and what you do out there. So that's kind of what we do, and we listen to it.

We watch and see what happens. I think, you know, we don't really hear anything until it's done. So it's obviously an exciting time for sure, though. And overall, how have you been around this time of year trade deadline? And not that you've been, your name's been mentioned over your career, but it does affect teammates. It does affect, you know the the vibe in the city we all expect uh can kevin uh can holland be uh aggressive here and finding a defenseman uh how how's that been

the last couple of days as an oiler yeah i think it's kind of just status quo i think the reality of trade that on as you hear about it months out out. I think a month ago we were hearing about trade deadline, and now it's kind of relieving almost that you're three days or whatever away from it. But as a player, yeah, I think obviously a stressful time for a lot of guys. I think when you play in a Canadian market, whether it's Toronto or Edmonton, it almost feels like guys have been on the trading block for years where their name keeps getting popped

up or whatnot. Once the trade deadline day comes and goes and you know you're locked in and you're on this team for the run, I think it just solidifies the group. I don't know why we play on trade deadline day, honestly,

because it's a day where so many things are happening. And I think we play Winnipeg on the Friday. So it'll be an interesting one. Last one for me. Just want to get a sense for what you're doing off the ice these days. I mean, I know you've written children's books, and you're involved in a whole bunch of stuff, aren't you? What do you got going on off the ice these days i mean i know you've written children's books and you're involved in you're involved in a whole bunch of stuff aren't you what do you got going on off the ice these days yeah lots of stuff obviously i like to uh to keep busy um outside of the rink but honestly the thing that keeps me busy is now i got two little boys so oh boy spending a lot of

time with them um when i can so it's been it's been really fun being uh being a dad and just being able to hang out with them uh whenever i can that's great you were a dad to the guys like kneelander and cappinan and all those guys at the marley's back of the day so good good to see you doing it for real now thanks buddy hey uh one more for me before uh we let you go our producer, Sammy, really, really wants an Oiler Leaf final. You're going to do your part to make that happen, right? Yeah, that would be, I mean, talk about a heart attack. If that didn't happen, that would be awesome, right?

But it would be a pretty cool final. So, anyways, anyways we got a long way away from there but uh would be would be something if that was that would happen well we know we'll uh we'll anticipate uh you giving it every uh ounce you got every night between then and now so uh really appreciate your time zach thanks for doing this awesome thanks guys appreciate it thanks zach hyman what a year he's having i did well talking to him looking up his appreciate your time, Zach. Thanks for doing this. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks, man. That's Zach Hyman. What a year he's having. Well, talking to him, looking up his stats.

Top 20, and he's 19th in the NHL in points. If you would have told anyone in Leaf Nation four or five years ago that that was a possibility, people would have looked at you like you had three heads. Well, I mean, he was a utility. You, people would have looked at you like you had three heads.

Well, I mean, he was a utility, like, sorry, a specialist specialist for them, a four checker. He was a,

he had a role here. Go play the superstars and go get the puck, give it to them. And, you know, looking at his career stats, he's got 70 points of 69 points this year. His career high was 54 prior you know when he was

here at the leafs he was 33 37 41 he has uh just exploded offensively since he's he's left um and and the thought that the oilers overpaid oh my he's making five fives let's see what's a guy top 20 in scoring with four checks and kills penalties worth nine more than that yeah classy guy he is I just got to say in my time working with the organization seeing him really admired his work ethic everyone goes home and plays

call of duty or you know whatever the kids do and he does too though does he he works he is also into that stuff too. He owns a gaming, but that's because he's a businessman, not because he's a gaming person.

Yeah. Oh, he's writing books. And as you mentioned, owning businesses and having kids, everyone else is like, yeah, call duty.

The first, when I was the producer of the Leafs pre and post game show, my first year. So part of it was you had to do a intermission interview so I'd go down and get two questions with whatever Leaf they did and the first Leaf that I ever interviewed between was Zach Hyman yeah and if you want to torture me you could dig that baby up and make me listen to it but he was just like that couldn't have been nicer to me like look me in the eye answer my question

like i wasn't a complete idiot i'm like you know what this guy like us here yeah no you guys treat me like an idiot all the time that's fine i am an idiot in fact but no he just you know stuck with me when i was such a treat you like one when i was such a rookie yeah terrible interviewer and he was nice to me so that's all stuck with me yeah you know we we still should give it ample uh recognition the 50 goals for connor mcdavid the one thing that stood out to me is he looked absolutely miserable after the game hey i just scored 50 he did yeah miserable i forget if it was the intermission or after honestly if if i'm ken holland watching that that scares the crap out of me yeah that that guy just had a a career moment and he's basically looking at the hockey world like i

don't give a crap i i scored two goals tonight and we still can't win and this isn't just i can't keep doing this i can't keep putting these numbers up and carrying the team and and then it's falling short at the end of the day yeah and that's what they did last night his two goals weren't enough it was the bruins though i mean hey listen it's gonna be somebody in the playoffs you know you're right you're right okay 100 where he just can't do it. He's Superman to the Oilers. He's Superman to the league. But he, it ain't enough. Yeah, I forget who asked him the question about getting 50 goals and 100 points.

And he was like, yeah, I mean, everyone wants to score. But, you know, just kind of like left it like we're losing here, man. Like, you know, what do you think I care about? Hockey players do the dance of humility all the time. Well, I'm just happy. You know, the boys really like left it like we're losing here, man. Like, you know, what do you think I care about? Hockey players do the dance of humility all the time. Well, I'm just happy. You know, the boys really helped me out on that one. McDavid's like, I'm going to eat your heart out if you mention my points again. Like, I'm here for the wins.

Rabid. You know, Boston, listen, Boston will lead. They shut the door. Yeah. Boston is actually the only team team if you look at like numbers the fancy underlying numbers they play better up a goal they get up a goal they get better shut it down even the best player on the planet yeah it's real quiet couldn't find one when it when when they really shut it down we were texting last night during the game about Nick Foligno looking.

I didn't think that Nick Foligno two years ago had his play now in him then. I can't believe how good he looks. He had no back. Yeah, but like he presumably has the same back, right? He was hurt. He got a new back. He got a new back. He got a new back.

He got a new back. He got a new back. He got a new back out of me? Yeah. New back. He is healthy. He feels good new bag. He got a new back. You got a new back out of me? Yeah. New back. He is healthy. He feels good. There's no pressure on him.

He knows his role, right? I know. I know. He's doing that one-hand pursuit of the puck, moving his feet in the ozone. Who did they scratch last night? Because they are loaded on the blue line. Who did they scratch last night?

Matt Grislick? Was that right? Grislick's been a little hurt so if it was someone that wouldn't surprise me i'm not sure maybe he was hurt i thought maybe he was a healthy scratch i don't know yeah orlov mcavoy lindholm carlo for port clifton um last thing from that game uh looks like a big time bullet dodged for brad marchand yeah he got kind of in the first shift of the game it looked like uh darnell nurse almost stepped on his like near his achilles with a skate and i was like oh my god i texted you guys i was like oh that looks

scary and he came back into the game and louis was between the benches and he's like oh all the medical people were running down the hall and you're like oh my god yeah what's happening here i mean all these fans are like i hope he's okay in june yeah not sooner than that i hope he walks again you guys are whore i know you sav what are you talking don't look at me like that i love brad marshall i would never what maybe by the way it was clifton scratch last night con Connor Clifton. No, no. Clifton played. Oh, really? Yeah. You went to the wrong game.

All right. Fair enough. My B. Got a first look at the lines today for the Leafs. Oh, we do. We do. Good. Bunting, Matthews, Marner on the top line.

Tavares, O'Reilly, Nylander sticking together. Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok sticking together, Kerfoot, Achari, Lafferty, Zach Aston-Reese, Scratch. Yeah, all predictable. Riley Hall, McCabe, Brody, Giordano, Lilligren, Sandeed, and Timmons. Ooh, McCabe, Brody. That's a detail. So there you go.

That's the early look at the new look lines with jake mckay did you say riley hall i did oh yeah i did don't love that either but we'll see geo lilligran sandin scratched and zach aston reese on the outside looking in which is not boy mckay brody yeah that uh that's a nhl fourth line that is is, yeah. You know, you had – It's fine. For you, it's got a little bit more – Yes. Yeah.

It's something that was missing for a few years. When you look at that line, you've got a bit of size with Lafferty, pace with Lafferty and Kerfoot, heaviness with Achari down the middle. Like, that actually has potential to be a really good four-finer. Achari actually skates well, too. It's a good group. The other one, too, last night, Bergeron took a stick to the face, too.

Did you see him go down a little bit? No, I didn't. You know who was a one-man wrecking crew last night for the Oilers? Was that Koston? Yeah, Cleem Koston. He's a player, guys. He made a hell of a play on on david on the second david's 50th goal yeah yeah he's he bullied someone into the bench too yeah he was he was real good he was real good okay we're gonna take a quick break yeah when

we come back sammy no jb and myself will try to answer the bell to Scott. I promise that's not happening, by the way. Thank you. Comic. Routine. Genius. What is he? Let's ask him about the Blackhawks.

No, I'm interested in him being a comic. All right. Scott Darling, former NHL goaltender and NBC analyst for the Chicago Blackhawks and stand-up comedian after the break. Smart takes on the biggest stories in sports. The Fan Drive Time with Ben Ennis. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm really excited about our next guest.

You are? Yes. I am too. Besides the fact we're going to get into Pat Kane with him and Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty, we're joined now by Scott Darling, former NHL goalie, NBC analyst for the Chicago Blackhawks, and stand-up comedian. I just found that out, Scott.

Well, thanks for having me, guys. Okay, I don't care about Pat Kane. I really don't care about Pat Kane. I want to hear about where the heck stand-up comedian came after your career was over okay so I never knew that I was going to try stand-up comedy um yeah I always loved I always loved going to watch and so I was at uh the lap factory in Chicago just watching and I this guy went on and he was hilarious there's a a very dark sense of humor, kind of like I have.

I was walking out. I was actually on my first date with my girlfriend, now girlfriend. I was walking out and he recognized me from playing on the Blackhawks. He's like, why don't you just try it? Just try it. He's like, come. He's like, open for me. Try it one time.

If you don't like it, I'll never ask you to do it again. And we've become great friends. He's a hilarious comedian. And now he hates me because I do more shows than he does. But I tried it. I did terrible. I did eight minutes. I bombed.

But I had so much fun doing it. It was like, but it reminded me that rush, that rush, that, like, adrenaline shot down your spine, like playing goalie in the NHL, you know? Like, that's the nervous anxiety, but, you know, the, and obviously, like, I stonked the first time I went up, but I think I've gotten pretty decent, so I have a lot, a lot of fun doing it nowadays. Okay, just, again, we will get into hockey, I promise everybody, but, like, what will get into hockey, I promise everybody.

But, like, what is your material? Are you talking about your experiences playing pro hockey? You mentioned a little bit of a dark sense of humor. Where do you go with eight minutes? My, I mean, I do, like, you know, 15, 20 sometimes now. But I talk about all, real life experiences like you know some you know i unfortunately my dad drowned you know a couple years ago my mom had cancer twice you know i've got divorced and you know all this stuff like so i kind of just make light of like

all this real stuff that's happened in my life. It sounds hilarious, Scott. Hey, hey, hey. Justin just wrote a book about all of that. I get the gas than laugh. I let people know it's okay to laugh at what I'm saying because I'm joking about it.

It's so funny because my mom will come out to the show sometimes and i have a pretty pretty good one about her you know luckily she's healthy and i love my mom to death i talk about how like i say like i hate her like um and now she screwed me i was like three olympics well because i was conceived in germ. My sister was born there. Like, I grew up in the military. And my sister was born there.

My mom rushed back to the U.S. to give birth to me. And I'm like, shouldn't you know? You know, I have the maternal instinct that your son's going to be the best goalie in the world at some point. I'm like, 2017, check your receipt. I'm going to be in Germany so I can get citizenship. I want reparations for three Olympics. You know? That's awesome. And I'll talk about how much I hate her, and I'll reparations for three Olympics. That's awesome.

I'll talk about how much I hate her and I'll be like, she's sitting right there. Or gasps. Well, we wish you all the best. And I know in between gigs you're actually talking Chicago Blackhawks. So why don't we start with Pat Kane? It's come to an end.

He's going to be a New York Ranger. Just your thoughts on how this whole thing played out. Well, I mean, it's a rough day for Chicago, that's for sure. It's been, you know, we've been on the edge of our seats the previous whole season waiting to see how this is going to play out. And then when Tarasenko went there, we thought New York was out of it. But the GM, he's been saying the whole time that it's all about what Patrick wants. You know, it's whatever is best for him.

And I can't believe they figured out a way to make this work. And now I'm just terrified of the New York Rangers. That roster, they're an absolute wagon. They really are. Patty Kane. No, they're a force. The They really are. Patty Kane. No, it's a, they're a force. The East is a force in general,

you know, so we're trying to kind of get a sense for what the Leafs have added and, and how they're going to stack up in this arms race. So they've added McCabe and Lafferty. Why don't we start with McCabe? You know, what, what can Leafs fans reasonably expect to see from Jake McCabe on a nightly basis?

Jake McCabe has been probably the most consistent defenseman for the Blackhawks this season. He's kind of a meat and potatoes guy, but he can jump up and contribute offensively a little bit, but he's just consistent, steady Eddie. As a goaltender, I would love to have Jake McCabe in front of me. And he's nails, so you don't want to mess with him either. Yeah, so the pickup of him and then

lafferty has some of that to his game as well a little bit of snarl yeah he has that too but he can fly and he's north south super fast skater and he can finish he's two really good you know acquisitions by the toronto maples uh we anticipate that uh McCabe will play with TJ Brody against the Edmonton Oilers on Wednesday night. Do you see him as a legit top four type of guy that's logging close to 20 minutes a night every other night for a deep team like Toronto? I see him as a second pair of defensemen for a deep team like Toronto? I see him as the second pair of defensemen.

For sure, I do. I really like his game. He's quiet. You don't hear his name too much and that's a good thing as a D-man. He's just going to do his job and keep the puck away from the net. Well, listen, we really appreciate your time.

Scott, we're just grabbing some news here about rasmus and dean but uh listen don't be a stranger okay on our show we love having you and uh we'll we'll call on you again soon okay yeah and if you know anybody what's the what are the yuck yucks up there if you know anybody i just did some shows up there um but i want to do yuck yuck so if you know anybody put a feeler oh we're making it happen we're making this happen and uh three chairs are in the front row for me sammy and jb okay i'll light you up okay never mind back row back row never mind hey scott thanks for doing this all right thank you guys thanks so much okay what are you hearing on rasmus sandin in the washington capitals elliot friedman tweets

sandin to washington for eric gustafson and a first rounder boston's first rounder whoa whoa eric gustafson is he the guy who scored 60 points and can you run power play guy p1 he's a power play guy what's he been playing per game here let's look at eric gustafson's wow that's interesting so boston's first so so duvis gets a first rounder back i'm surprised washington would part with a first even a late first for i guess he's young rasmus sundin's young and still may have some upside and he's a former first rounder uh given what's available at the deadline like the the d-man out there that's what's gustafson make he's got 38 points this year at Gustafsson.

Yeah, he's. So he's running their power play then. He's soft though. He is. 60, so seven goals, 31 assists, 38 points. He's got 20 pims this year. That's got power play written all over it. He makes 800K this year and he's a UFA at the end of the year. So that makes a little bit of room.

Right, like they're real close now to bring Murray back. So you shave the 1.4 off. Yeah. 800, you got, yeah, you're up there. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm fascinated by this. I don't particularly know about Gustafson as a defender,

which may be some concerns there, but let me check out some data on this guy. So Sandin, you develop him, you draft him, you develop him, you give him a chance. I wonder how much is this, is Sandin just being unhappy? I don't think it sat well what he did at training camp. You think the team didn't like that? No, no, they didn't like it, of course.

And he hasn't proven to be better than, you know, he thought the Leafs thought he was. He didn't prove them wrong necessarily. And what really didn't help was that you were negotiating off of the Lilligren contract, and then Lilligren passed you on the depth chart yeah he is a better player than and you know he bad mouth willie kneelanders back checking that was the the last that was the nail on the cop in the coffin you know i don't feel like rasmus sandin was going to be a positive playoff impact for the leafs like i am not crushed in terms of the leafs chances i am curious about the power play thing

like we have complained about morgan riley running a power play for some time there i have a hard time believing they're going to trade for eric gufson and have him come in and talk to you. Listen, and I'm with you on that. Like, again, you want to replace Morgan Raleigh with Gustafson? You are making a big statement. Yeah, well, so? I mean, you know, like the statement is, how you don't riley's got 11 power play points with four of the best players on earth i'm not debating that there are issues there and but this is short term yeah maybe you might be right long term really bad for the Leafs. You just started a lengthy $7.5 million contract extension for Morgan Riley.

This is not good that you need to go and get a guy making $800,000 to take his job. Maybe he won't then. You guys are maybe on to something. My thought now is he's probably not in. You are really, you're still a few months away from the playoff starting. Yeah. You're going to bring in Gustafson to eat up a minute and 20 off of the power place. He's playing with Austin and Marner and Willie and O'Reilly or Tavares. And Morgan's going to be all pumped pumped up ready to go into the first

round i don't know i feel like when we have these conversations you're always so concerned about the fragile ego of these guys i know the dynamics of an nhl dressing room and it's not pretty sometimes there's jealousy in there there's guys that can drag their lip and suck a room down i'm not and i'm not saying that that's morgan riley here morgan riley's a pro man he's he's a class act that's not morgan riley but i'm just talking in general about the dynamics of a dressing room when guys aren't happy it does bleed when you played if you did that your coach said tough beans by and large like you know like oh we don't i don't know how much pandering to that concern did coaches do i feel like less then than they would now i shouldn't say pandering but you cater to the stars yes maybe a little bit

more so maybe that's where riley deserves some i think that uh i think it's harder today than it is for previous coaches to manage i think egos or expectations it's harder today i i think it was easier to tell even star players in my era 15 20 years ago you know what have a seat yeah and even guys that made big bucks were kind of nervous yeah maybe there wasn't as many no trade clauses or you know the thought that you could take someone's ice time away or healthy scratch them or browbeat them. Yeah. But today, I think it's different.

I think it's a lot harder for coaches to manage players' expectations, demands, agents, parents now. Parents were a non-issue in my era now you're starting to hear what you're hearing parents talking to nhl people yes that's messed up i'm telling you it's uh it's out there and it's it's different it's just a different world. Our superstars were 28, 29, 30 years old. Some of them had kids by then. The NHL stars today are 22, 23. Mom and dad.

Still hanging around. 10 years younger than me. Do you guys want me to get somebody from Washington on this? You know, if there's someone quick. Do we really care? it's up to you my fancy digging around here is augustin's having a really good year yeah he is he's playing over 20 minutes per night in 61 games so he's played a ton of ice time for them defensively his numbers check out pretty good um in terms of expected goals against, and even he's a positive impact offensively. You know, does he, he PKs, or sorry,

he plays in the power play, but no PK. I just can't see who's he going to take out of the Leafs six. What would you say? We're working on that, all right? We're working on that question. I don't think he probably does. He's 30 years old, six feet tall, 195 pounds. Yeah, he's not. He was in calgary before washington was he not yeah he was in cal he was in chicago for the first four years yes and then calgary calgary he had 60 points in 2018 yeah no no he was a he was uh it was a big deal in

chicago that year um just looking up know, he's playing more than... He's played 20... He's played 31... He was on the Habs. He was one of the non-four guys on the Habs. That they didn't use? Remember that in the playoffs? Did he actually dress?

Yeah, he played 16 games in the 2021 playoffs to the Montreal Canadiens. Had a goal and two... He played 10 for Calgary in 2019 2020 i'm okay with a depth move there uh and he kind of fits into that mentality that kyle has with the skill level of marner matthews like he could he could thrive with those guys yeah do we know what year the first is yet that the leafs got for sandin well if it's boston's is that the one they just gave up yeah it was i think it's 23 maybe i'm just looking right now

you know what my immediate thought is if they have a first back in 2023 is not um that's good for their drafting it's can they that? Can they spend it? Is there still another D-man to add? Like Gavrikov? No, but there's no money. Well, Gavrikov's making... There's no room. Yeah, without more money out. What's Gavrikov making?

Without more money out. Nothing, doesn't he? No, I think he's probably a four, a three. Something like that. Three or four million million defenseman. Wow. 2.5. Is he okay?

2.5 with retention. You know, it's not out of the question. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You know, you could make that work. Flip that back. Suddenly say, here's a first, here's. So then Columbus ends up getting Boston's first rounder after all?

For Gavrikov? That would be a roundabout way to get it. Yeah. I just, I think this is, you know, a lot of people had pretty high hopes for Rasmus Sandin around the Leafs. And, you know, I think this wasn't Dubas' first pick as general manager. Sounds right. 17th overall. Was Sandin out of Sault Ste. Marie, his guy.

You know, it just, it just is. is yeah i don't see this as a disappointment in terms of like a disappointment of a career for the leafs you mean yeah nobody ever there are some people that said that between lilligren and sandin they were never going to be much more than five or six like they were not going to turn into top four guys i i think lilligren's maybe amongst exceeded maybe amongst hockey people but i for sure amongst leaf fans just there was a lot of conversation about think about how long they cooked with the marlies who these two yeah yeah right and they didn't they they needed it they just weren't ready to be nhlers it is it's going to be fascinating to see if this works out for washington because like sandin was in his time with the leafs he was put in a very sheltered role right he played usually not not a ton in

the d zone lotto zone starts not heavy minutes but he when he's on the ice they controlled like 60 of the goals which is great yeah but but the but is is when it blows up it blows up for sandin yes and lilligren do a certain extent too that it's just their their mistakes aren't small no They end up being really tough, out of position, overextended, mistakes that most often would end up with a puck in their own net. And

they got better. They both got better. Lilligren a lot faster but still rasmus can make these glaring errors that like you just you you pick up on them right away they're not even hidden my two thoughts are you know the value of development like sandin they thought he was ready like travis dermot and they put him in the leafs and lilligigan played in the minors for longer but then was suddenly ready to kind of keep going where sandin didn't seem to be able to the other thing with sandin is like he has a good sense of how to play physically like in terms of hitting but he's just too small to do it yes to be

consistent with it yeah or to have it as a real threat yeah like i think if you're the capitals you turned eric gustafson into a guy you think can be can play for you for the next five years and i think and a first yeah and i think you're probably the biggest worry with sandin and why he they probably didn't even want to consider him as an option in the playoffs if somebody got hurt was just something we've talked about when they play against these teams that are big and heavy and skilled is the inability to break it out versus a heavy four it's just too light like just how many times the lease would get hemmed in when it was him on the ice the puck goes into his corner and it just seems that it would never come out just as we're talking and i'm kind of thinking about it i also feel like there must be some value in having a guy who's content to be not not your seven but like sandin

was not going to be happy as the guy watching the playoffs bumped out of the lineup already didn't like the contract negotiations already felt like he deserved more you know it like i mean it pissed me off in the spring when that happened with sandy you're like yeah who do you think you are type of thing yeah well that's what they gave him the who do you think you are and then he had to crawl back yeah yeah that's what happened and they held out and they're like we're not gonna do this here and it was like the contract hold and we're like just we're not going to do this here. And it was like the contract hold. And we're like, just sign the 1.4 that everyone does and get to camp and prove that you're worth more of that. It really was about the statement of not the money,

but like, say you think I'm more valuable than Lilligren. Say it. Yes. And the whole way along, Dubas was like, you know, Timothy and Rasmus, Rasmus and Timothy, you know, he just tied them together. Yeah. Honestly, I think it's a fantastic move turning Sandin,

who you knew that you weren't going to trust. He could be on the ice like he has in the last few playoffs. Yeah. But the nervousness and the the untrust yeah yeah was always there with sandin yeah and sandin's been playing i don't know what his ice time per game is at the leafs maybe it's 15 minutes or something but you know gustafson playing 2021 is not nothing that he's been used a lot so curious to see how that chain oh i know tampas forwards versus gustafson it's just it's it's been fun in the last week watching these rosters really change like this is a brand new

team i we know the core yeah of course we know the core but the core doesn't make a team yeah 20 guys make a team and there's some new faces man there's five new bodies here what do we got 23 games yeah there's five new players in the team 23 games to get to know each other team was clicking along at 675 winning percentage or something they're like we need a quarter of the team going build chemistry build trust i i think it kind of validates a lot of our you know thoughts and worries about this team that we had had and people were calling us stupid for when the general manager they're winning at a 600 winning percentage yeah changes the whole team it's just like well i'm gonna do the whole thing differently here yeah outside of the big four changed it it's completely different like it certainly is

like the fourth line is two new guys ryan o'reilly's in your top six now you got two new defensemen gustafson on d now this now can put to bed that you don't have to go and dump kerfoot or engvall or you know you keep everybody yeah yeah you you get ahead in terms of salary cap with this move i'm really this over all the guys they added i can't i don't know what they see him as in terms of will he be in their six who's that uh gustafson like are they gonna sit lilligren so gustafson if hall he's if morgan goes down if somebody goes down i think you can get him in there but seven eight nine d it takes to go deep yeah you need depth someone's gonna get hurt someone's gonna bruise something and he may miss the next game this is this is depth this is about having guys and i don't necessarily see him going in there and

replacing anybody including morgan on the power play but if he does need to see him going in there and replacing anybody, including Morgan on the power play. But if he does need to kind of slide in there, it's an option. You know, you're certainly getting older in a way that, and I mean that in a good way. You know, guys, you mentioned him just being with Montreal for 16 playoff games and a run to the Stanley Cup, being 30 years old. You know, McCabe's 29,ffery's 27 achari's 30 you know riley's 30 guys who are not kids you don't want to see the mistakes like galchenyuk

and dermot turning it over in overtime anymore the time for learning is done yeah and you look at like you talk about that um the lines that i talked about today with what they've put together now it's all there's no development guys other than lilligren who's on your bottom pair playing with the opposite of a development guy yeah right like the the gritty veteran like there's no it's all kind of adults and you're in your six guys now yeah right there's no development anymore so it's exciting it just this is a it's super exciting this is a pretty big statement i think to trade sandin i pivot i'm i'm just curious so this is my i want to see if the first is used for in a trade yet to come still i i know it doesn't seem like it uh gabber uh who do you think yeah you think you think that's the guy

you're thinking i mean the one guy that i still you know it's not at calm whether it's hall yeah chick grin it's not gonna be one of the big names but hall and lilligren i think you want to see how those guys are playing in the postseason it wouldn't be to be one of the big names, but Hall and Lilligren, I think you want to see how those guys are playing in the postseason. It wouldn't be impossible that one of them struggles for a bit and you'd rather have someone else in. You mentioned wanting to have seven, eight guys. Right now, Timmons is your eight. It's not bad, but don't love it against Tampa Bay or Boston.

It's also like you're not preparing to play. I don't know. Pick a team in the West. It's the best teams's also like you're not preparing to play i don't know pick and take pick a team in the west it's the best teams in the league you're playing listen this might be one of the first cups that it gets the heart the stanley cup final could be in the first round and then it just it works its way backwards attrition where the the easiest of the four rounds could be your stanley cup final legitimately you're east against west yeah the east is yeah i got five almost isn't that something today but statistically these may have the five or six best teams in the league this year like the seventh best team might be the best team

in the west and like we said i don't need to get healthy, obviously, for that. Who's crying in their milk after the first round between Tampa, Toronto, New Jersey, Rangers? Yeah, Rangers get Tarasenko, Kane, Mott, Meyer goes to New Jersey. If I'm a Canes fan, I'm like,

we're just doing Puglia. What's that, Sammy? The Leafs go in the first round. Oh, my gosh. Like, it is a catastrophe. Catastrophe. Stakes are high, boys. Like, there is, I can't even, it's so bad. I'm going into landscaping.

I'm going to be building stairs. I'm going to be digging. I'm digging ditches. There's the hardest thing to build. I'm so scared for you if the Leafs lose in the first round. I'm going to be digging ditches. I'm so scared for you if the Leafs lose in the first round. I'm digging ditches. I'm laying cement. I can't do this anymore if they lose in the first round. And not in the city, by the way. No, no. You're going somewhere.

Owen Sound's not far enough. Kirkland Lake. That's as north as I can think right now. Kirkland Lake. I'm going north. I have a very simple message for you. Brought to you by Edibles. For the whole show, we'll just sit here. Okay, let's take a deep breath while Sammy gets that horrible thought out of his mind of the Leafs losing in the first round. Take a deep breath.

This is my nightmare. We got lots of time here. All right. Breathe, Sammy, breathe. Who's talking to next? Jason York. Oh, good. Thank God.

And the Ottawa Senators. Are they in it? They're in it. I think good. Thank God. And the Ottawa Senators. Are they in it? They're in it. I think so. Maybe they should have traded for Sandin. Maybe. Jason York to talk about the Ottawa Senators in Detroit. Back at it.

Back to back. Another two points. Oh, Ottawa's got a shot. And Ottawa's got a shot. All right. Jason York, former NHL-erler co-host of coming in hot sends podcast after the break everything you need to know about the blue jays blair and barker be sure to subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts

all right welcome back to Real Kipper and Born. The Kipper portion of that is busy working the phones, getting the scoops, figuring it all out. Not really. No. I just want to give a shout-out to Cap Friendly. I mean, what an unbelievable service. These guys are on the ball nine seconds after things happen.

So shout-out to them because i know a lot of people have consulted them frequently yes we use them a lot constantly um average trades in the week leading up to the trade deadline 17.6 uh last year i think there was less than that 22 already this year all right let's welcome in jason york uh not as exciting as scott darlin because uh yorkie doesn't do stand-up comedy. You don't know that. But he's funny on our show. Very funny.

Really funny. Yorkie, what's going on? Hi, Skipper. Appreciate that. I'm not a stand-up guy. Although, you know what? I wouldn't mind trying it because you've got to have a lot of balls to do that. Oh, my gosh.

Scott Darling just told us about his first eight minutes. I'd rather jump off a mountain in a squirrel suit than do stand-up comedy. I feel you, Borg. I feel you. So, exciting here in Leafland. All kinds of stuff happening.

Sandin out, Gustafson in. What can you tell us about Gustafson? Well, he's an offensive guy, right? So he's an offensive guy. And I think most importantly, I know, Borny, you're the numbers guy. I haven't looked at his salary, but he doesn't make a lot of money, correct? I think he's like in a one-year 800 grand deal. Correct, yep.

That's pretty good. So through the lease, you can have a guy that's a decent offensive guy and you only have to pay him $800,000. So does this open the door for something more for Toronto fellows? Do they got room? Like I haven't looked at their cap. I would imagine they're very tight to the cap, but I don't know if they need to do anything else.

I tell you, I heard people debating who they thought improved their team the most. I'm a big Ryan O'Reilly guy. I think the world of him. I know he's not the quickest guy, but his brain, how he thinks the game, his face-off ability is one of the best

guys in the league. And if you're Toronto, you're a puck possession team, it's so much better. Like, hey, thanks, Tips, to start with the puck. if you're Toronto you're a puck possession team it's so much better like hey thanks tips to start with the puck so you you bring in a guy like O'Reilly he just he makes them so much better and if I was to hand pick a guy in the league that was available I don't know if you could pick a better guy who's going to come in and suit Toronto's needs and that's most importantly the guy's won and he's got a con smite so listen I'm not a I'm not a fan of any

team but if I'm going to pick I just think these moves Toronto made have really boosted their chances of going on a very long playoff run this year so it must be exciting right now in Toronto Can you recall anything in the past

when we speak of like a Boston, Tampa, Toronto, where one, two, three are going toe-to-toe in the trade market? Yeah. They've built different teams. Yeah. No, it's because you look at Toronto, they're a different team than Boston. But, yeah, I love it. It's like, this is like the cold war arms race right now, instead of just the U S and Russia, you've got three,

three people going at it right now. So yeah, I I'm still scratching my head a little bit about that Tampa move. I know he was really, I know Janet was really good last year. I've heard all this stuff. Hey, if you're going to take a shot, and Hapa knows best, and who's to argue with what they've done in the past, but man, if I'm to pick a team that's improved the most,

I've got to say it's Toronto. I've got to say if I'm saying who's won the arms race so far, I'd give it to the Leafs. So, what are your thoughts on Sandin as a player then? You don't think that's going to be a massive loss? There's some push-the-glasses-up-my-nose numbers people thoughts on Sandin as a player then? You don't think that's going to be a massive loss? There's some, you know, push the glasses up my nose numbers people really liked Sandin.

I like him. I think he's a good, smart defenseman. Checks all the boxes for what you want in your modern-day defenseman. I still think he still makes a few young mistakes from time to time, but so do all young. Hey, listen, they gave him up. They got a defenseman that's older. Would you rather have Sandin for your future?

Absolutely. But the move was made. Obviously, they like what Gibson can bring to the table here. They like the number. So, listen, if things don't work out, and Toronto gets bounced and I, I have to think Kyle Dubas is getting fired. Right. So he's all in, he's, he's pushed all his chips in and, and I like it. I like that. He's,

that he's up and he's, he's fighting now Kipper. Like this is exciting. He's making some, he's pushed his chips all in and, and Hey, listen, if, if Sandin turns into be a great player, well, that's, that's part of doing business, right? I, I like the fact that Toronto stepping up and, and, and coming to the table and trying to do what they think is right to try and get them to the next level. Is there something to be said about Jake, Jake McCabe coming here now uh buffalo chicago not good teams not

playoff teams he has yet to play a playoff game but now he's gonna just take whatever he's learned over his pro career and apply it for the first time on a very deep team. Yeah, no playoff experience, but what a feeling he might, he'll have in game one. So Kipper, I know you've probably played with guys like this, and Barney as well, when you guys were in the playoff series. When you bring a guy in that hasn't really tasted winning before, man, he's got to be excited, right? And, you know, from what i've heard from reading

about drake mccabe i don't know him personally uh just hearing around number one i hear he's a great teammate yeah number two i hear he competes as hard as anybody brings some sandpaper to the back end so he kind of to me again it's a it's a good move by dubas to bring in a guy that checks the boxes i listen i'm'm not going to lie. Is it great when you're bringing superstars like Ryan O'Reilly? Absolutely. But when you bring in these guys that haven't really tasted success, it's a different kind of energy, right?

And those guys, you know they're never going to cheat you as far as their effort and their will to win. Because he's going to be hungry. He's hungry, and you hear he's a good person. So he's a decent player. Is he a star? No, but I think he's going to be a good, solid, dependable defenseman, and that's exactly what you need, right?

When you're trying to go on a long playoff run, you can never have enough good, solid defensemen. Yep. So, Yorkie, we've got you to talk about the lease as long as we could. Now, I think it's only fair to get the Sens pitcher last night. They beat the Detroit Red Wings, which was crucial for them to have any chance at the playoffs.

They got them again tonight. What's going on with the Sens? Are they going to add and make a push here? Yeah, I don't, I don't think they're going to do anything substantial. No, I think,

I think if Pierre Dorian can make a hockey trade, and that is if he's going to bring in that coveted defenseman that can come in and not be a rental, be here for the future, I think he would make that move for sure. Is that guy going to be available? I think that's going to be pretty tough. The other thing is, is he going to trade Cam Talbot? Talbot played pretty well last night, but Forsberg's hurt right now. One of their starters.

They're 1A, 1B with Talbot and Forsberg. Do you want to trade Talbot and leave your young team with just two young goaltenders with Sogard who's played very well in Mandelizzi. I don't know if Pierre Dorian wants to do that to a team, but listen, even if they go, and you keep hearing this terminology,

they call it meaningful games. They want this team to play meaningful games. So they're doing that right now. I think you need a good goaltender if you want to play meaningful games because he's going to keep you in a lot of those games. I'm 50-50 on if they trade Talbot. I could see them doing a move, maybe moving a guy like Austin Watson, maybe moving a guy like Nick Holden, but not for peanuts.

If they get a decent draft pick, call it a third-round pick, I could see them doing something like that. Isn't that going to piss off a guy like Derek Broussard, who was very vocal after the game last night about the team deserving a chance to get better through the trade deadline? What do you think that does to Pierre Dorian? I can see where Broussard's coming from, and good on him, too, because if they do make a move like that, Kipper,

he could be potentially the guy that comes out of the lineup. And I'm not saying he hasn't played well because he has. He's been a great signing. But I think for the Ottawa Senators, they need all their young players to play in these situations. This is how you get better. For the last, whatever, five or six years when Ottawa's been playing this late in the season, the games have meant diddly squat.

So you're basically evaluating players. You know this as well as I do, Kipper. Those games are not that they're easy to play in, but you don't get a true evaluation of your players. Now they're finally going to get that where, hey, there's some skin on the line, right? There mathematically is a chance they can make the playoffs. So now let's see what these young guys can do.

So if it's me, I don't know. And here's the other thing. Why would you mess with what's going on right now? The Ottawa Senators are one of the hottest teams in the league right now. If you go over their record, I don't have it in front of me, fellas, but I think they're one of the top five teams, let's call it, the last 10 to 12 games. So I don't know.

I'm probably not going to change too much of my core. And let's see what happens. Let's see what the young guys can do here. We still got some big fish out there. Chikrin, Gabrikov, Ekholm possibly. And you just don't hear about Ottawa getting a sniff on any of these. Does it have to do with the sale? Does it have to do with what you said earlier,

that maybe it's not quite there yet for a major move? But one way or another, if they just miss, won't it be looked upon as a failure out of Pierre Dorian? Well, don't forget, too, Kipper, Dorian's trying to put his best foot forward, too, right? Because once new ownership takes control of his team, there's all these changes, right? So it'll be a lot easier for him once this season's over saying,

hey, we made the playoffs. I deserve to stay here as a general manager, right? So could he make a deal to kind of, for the benefit of his team, over saying, hey, we made the playoffs. I deserve to stay here as a general hundred, right? So could he make a deal to kind of for the benefit of his team? Absolutely. And for the benefit of himself because it's a lot easier to sell yourself if you're

a team that has made the playoffs. So yeah, I could see that angle. But don't forget to, with new ownership coming in, and you just hinted at it kipper i don't have any knowledge of this but i think i'm pretty sure all trades have to be approved by the board which i've heard they've given them a lot of rope and then you know with the league and the sale i don't know um and also too assume guys like Ekholm, they have no move clauses, right?

So if Ekholm is going to waive his no move clause or if he even has one, is he going to want to go to Ottawa? I could see him more a fit Edmonton guy. I'm a big Ekholm fan. I know he's older and he's slowed down. Yeah, me too. I think he's going to be able to play like that for another four, five, six years.

Couldn't he help a team that's a legitimate contender right now? If I'm the asshole, that's what I'm doing. I'm going to go play with Conor McDavid if that deal is available. All right, Yorkie, we're going to let you go, but always appreciate your time, man. Thanks for doing this. Anytime, fellas. Boardie, take care.

Kipper. You too, Yorkie. Thanks, buddy. Jason York does a good job of covering the Ottawa Senators on his podcast. Coming in. Sens hot. Or hot Sens. One of the two.

I don't know. Okay. I butchered that. That's fine. I am grinding over the Twitter machine trying to figure out what's going on right now. A lot of people watching today, boys. We're up to 2,100 people watching now on YouTube. Lots of people listening.

Lots of people interested. People love trade talk in the national hockey league so bob stoffer ends his show in edmonton by saying i'm gonna stick around the station for another hour there might be some movement stoff knows people knows things i think the oilers are about to announce something of substance yeah i i gotta think but there'll be some musical chairs here could that be chicken gaverkov at colman's one of the three one of those three names is going to be an oiler by the end of the day i'm calling that and that would be the hardest i think just for their salary cap pitcher yeah also because in terms of retention you can't see nashville saying yeah we want to pay him two million bucks for the next three seasons you know meanwhile the other deals you can if it there's another first rounder

involved or that in a prospect i guess curious to see what kind of rebuild nashville enters here like if they go all out you could see that happening say hey barry trotz start from scratch buddy yeah this is awesome, boys. It's fun. This is trade deadline day. This feels like that, you know, lots going on. Until Sammy's crying in June. If I'm giving up too much.

Oh, I was going to say, if I'm crying in June, that means the Leafs went really deep and I'm happy. Sorry, crying in late April? Yeah, yeah late april couple other things worth noting um you saw kerfoot's name get tossed about a little bit mike stevens the guy who writes for the hockey news he said that he's heard toronto vancouver in conversations one of the names that has come up is kerfoot still yeah that was just a few minutes ago james myrtle just tweeted that very interesting trade and more moves coming regarding the maple leafs i mean how many players can you change on a team it's a it's gonna look like a brand new team well we've talked about it here and you and i have gone back and

forth and i've been pretty i've liked the leafs a lot but you've said they need a top six guy they need bottom guys they need d you have said all these different positions and dubious agrees yeah that they needed several new players i do feel that we are all very validated we're validated by questioning a lineup that was having success it didn't matter everything's great top top what drops you know top five, it looks great when you have 32 teams, but it looks horrible when you see the four ahead of you. Yeah, that's a good way to put it, is that you're not competing against 32 teams. You're not even competing against 16.

You're just, you know who you're competing against. You're competing against your division. And in many ways, like, you know, perhaps if there was a cloudier picture on who the Leafs were going to face in their first round, we may not be seeing these types of moves. That's fair. This has been, they've had since November the know of how they want

to envision a team now to go up against Tampa Bay. You played them last year. You know them. You should know them as well as they know themselves i know so build you got all the time in the world built to beat them yeah so that's such a good point you could really target one group and just to confirm the things we were just talking about chris johnson saying uh sentiment around the industry that leafs have more moves coming. David Pena says in the next couple hours. May see another deal in the next couple hours. Plenty of activity around Toronto.

So maybe they are going after that Tampa Bay Lightning team and saying we know what we specifically need to do. There is always, you know, a danger of overcooking, or not overcooking, but just but just you know if you're the chemist you know having a little bit too much a year oh yeah you can get this wrong you cook something fancy there's a lot of ingredients

here it could go wrong I know I just watched the TV show The Bear and you know you're getting fancy the cocaine bear the cocaine bear the bear Kipper you would love the bear it's about a you have the cocaine bear? No, no, no. The bear. Kipper, you would love the bear. It's about a... Oh, I want the cocaine bear.

I want to watch the cocaine bear. Actually, you and your wife should watch The Bear. It's an excellent TV show. Okay. Carlton? Is it a documentary on Carlton? No. So to be clear, The Bear does not do narcotics?

No, there's no narcotics involved with The Bear, but it's about Chicago. It's about this fancy chef who takes over his brother's business. It's like this greasy spoon. He's trying to turn it into a better spot. And they're selling drugs? No drugs! Oh yeah Anyways

Actually there is some drugs Yeah the bear Watch the bear Yeah They're safe As long as Marner, Matthews, Nylander, O'Reilly Do you want to do a fake trade? You got one for me?

Sure Alright Frank Cervelli Spitballing Says Oh yes To Leafs Gavrikov and Korpisalo.

To CBJ, Boston's first, Toronto's third, Toronto fourth. Justin Hall, 50% retained on Gavrikov. Remember, if they trade for Korpisalo, we're the smartest guys on earth. We've talked about this. I mentioned finding a way to flip out Matt Murray. Well, then things open up. Yeah.

And I think they think they're still vulnerable there. Well, they are vulnerable there. Imagine doing all this and you're relying on Samson and Joe Wall. A hundred percent. And that's where I think the next moves are coming is that they know they cannot count on Matt Murray being healthy and to put Wall in there or Sheldon. You saw Samson almost get hurt the other day

and it was like the air out of your lungs. What's the plan? Corporate Salo stunk this year. Okay. If that's the guy, that's the guy. No, it's the other goalie that stunk. Merzlikens. Merzlikens stunk.

He hasn't been too bad. He hasn't been too bad. No, I's the other goalie that stunk. Merzlikens. Merzlikens stunk. He hasn't been too bad. He hasn't been too bad? No, I'm just looking up his numbers. They've had a crappy year. I can't believe that any goalie's had a good year. He's above 899. Yeah. Remember bubble hockey?

They were lights out. Oh, yeah. Deadly goaltending. Couldn't beat him. He has a 913 save percentage this year. There you go. Deadly goaltending. Couldn't beat them. He has a 9-13 save percentage this year. There you go. Jonas Corbusier. Yeah, it's the other guy.

How many games? In 28 games. 3-13 goals against. Listen, you feel better about it than Matt Murray with a high ankle sprain. Absolutely. And he's got a killer duster in his picture on Hockey TV, so bring him in.

Ooh, the dust. I'll be shocked if they don't flip find a way to flip murray i did it's not enough though we mean it's not enough not enough to give columbus for gavrikov and retention and to take matt murray off your hands that may cost him another first rounder no yeah the proposed trade there didn't include murray you know i think but you have to get murray off i see what you're saying or you don't activate him you just kick him in the ankle oh that ankle barked again and he's yeah he's ltir no but but matt murray has to be on board guys i don I don't, yeah, that's, of course.

Like Matt Murray has to say, I'll nudge, nudge, wink, wink, and disappear for you on long-term IR. Like if he doesn't go for it. And then you play him with the Marlies for the two weeks before playoffs. If he turns around and says like, no, no, I'm a good goalie.

I want to play. I'm healthy. I'm ready to go. Yeah. That's where the memo comes back this is where being boys with dubas maybe helps and dubas says mur murdog mur had you traded for you in junior but this is what it's all been about from sue to sue bud i don't i i there's just not enough time for matt murray to come in and make you feel better. Is there?

None. Absolutely none. Take your time when I ask you that question. Breathe. No, not a chance. I don't feel comfortable about it. He can come back and he can pitch three shutouts in a row, and I'm going to be like, I'm still a little nervous, just because of the injury history.

Going into the season, my buddy is a Sens fan, was like, Murray, he's pretty good, but watch out if he sneezes, he might, you know, snap a shoulder. We buying in anything on Colton Pareko or JT Miller? The Miller thing is interesting. That would be Pittsburgh that was paired up with them, with Miller. Yeah. Which again, Jimmy Rutherford. Right?

Yeah. Pittsburgh connection. There is one strong one, but you know for pittsburgh they want to take that miller deal on looks so bad looks bad on vancouver signing him trading him within minutes commitment and then you turn around and you say oh no it was a bad move get rid of him the decision to go miller over bo horvat and then not to have anybody bo horvat looks like gretzky in long island so far every game i watch so interesting choice the games i've seen from him yeah there he is popped he's in big time he's been he's been the best player by far yeah they're still in a wild card spot I don't think they would be without him, so that's worked.

Oh, wait a second. Elliott Friedman. Oh, come on. Engvall to the Islanders. Engvall to the Islanders. God, boys. Whoa. They had to make room for something bigger. Whoa.

Whoa. You don't trade him for nothing without a plan. Wow. You don't just ship him off. Wow, wow, wow, wow. All right. Oh, my. Pierre Engvall to the Islanders.

I'm perspiring back here, boys. I am perspiring. Oh, all the guys you're just like, yeah, he's a good player. It can be a little frustrating. Wow, they are just done with it. So right now yes yeah you do here you got enough penalty killers right i mean achari is an addition who kills penalty who kills penalties lafferty kills penalties the he became less integral but this to me is about creating more room isn't it yeah i know surely you can't do more than unless they've all right what's coming back for pier No, surely you can't do more than that.

All right, what's coming back for Pierre here? I can't believe Lou Lamorello traded for Pierre Engvall after seeing him here for years. That is the upset of the sentence. I can't believe Lou and Kyle did a trade. End of sentence. I don't know. Just take him. He's a pretty good hockey player.

Third rounder at least, I would think. Everything's great. Everything is different. The one thing I do like about Engvall is he's big and he's fast. Yeah. For sure. He's not a bad hockey player. Frank Cervelli.

Luke Shen. The Leafs have acquired Luke Shen. Luke Shen to the Leafs have acquired Luke Shen. Luke Shen to the Leafs. Maybe a third. A fourth. You think what came in for Engvall goes the other way for Shen? Not quite a three-team trade, but... Maybe.

Luke Shen to the Leafs. What do we even say? I like Luke. Good guy. Has won. Great depth guy. Seven, six, seven, eight spot. I got to say, I'm a little disappointed that the moves would be made to make room for Shen

because I'm not even sure he's in their six. He's not good enough to really bump someone for me. No. Like Lilligran, I guess. You have Sandin, or sorry, you have McCabe play the right side, which he can do. So that bumps Lilligran, and then your bottom pair is Shen. Geo?

Ah, it does sound better. Yeah, that's a... It's a whole new team. Yeah, it's a whole new team. Boys, that's a whole new team. That's a whole new team. Boys, we got a whole new team. Like we're going into the game tomorrow night with a completely different team. By the way, this is electric. Oh, my God.

My heart is racing. This is why you get into doing live radio. Yeah. Why you get into doing this for days like this. It's incredible. So just to recap. yeah they've traded sandin yeah for a first and eric gustafson they have now traded uh pierre angvall for unknown and they've traded for luke shen for unknown in the last 25 luke can go shoulder to shoulder with with uh tanner you know like that's that's the battle right there that's the yeah if you don't want tanner you know taking runs at lilligran and sandin and timmons and tj brody and yeah jake mccabe's there but so is now now Luke Shen. If you need him in the 5-6 spot.

I mean, if you want to sit there and read, okay, so the Leafs just tweeted out what they got for Engvall. A third rounder next year. Yeah, good call. A third rounder? Yeah, so here's, you know, just kind of working it over in my head. As you look at tampa bay's forwards and the other team's forwards go against your d your forwards play their d it's not forwards on forwards as much and that third line of tampa is colton paul juneau and the fourth line is perry

belmar and maroon and you're talking about building a team to be constructed to hang with those guys you know you may be talking about lilligren watching in round one here, or at least to start the playoffs, feeling more comfortable that a guy like Shen can handle that. Luke Shen's old number two was just taken by Jake McCabe. What the hell are we doing here, boys? The third this year to Vancouver. You know what we're doing eh what we're going old school

what's that achari lafferty shin mccabe i don't old school so just to clarify the skill and we've got our skill and our four guys. The rest of them, meat and potatoes. So they're trading. They got Engvall a third for him next year. They have traded this year's third for Shen. Okay. So third in, third out. Swap the years.

Love that trade. I'll say that right now. I've been saying bring Luke home for the whole time we've been doing this show. And he is home.ke has come home the human eraser has returned to his glory in toronto one point yeah one point two on engvall is he was an expiring contract and what was he gonna cost in the off season three four two four okay yep listen i that is a guy i will never depend depends if he helped you in any way shape or form in that first round yeah that's the difference between for him half a million dollars curious now what becomes of the forward lines that to me puts zach aston

reese back in that bumps kerfoot up your fourth line is now Aston Reese, Achari, Lafferty. Pretty damn good still. Kerfoot plays with Yarncroft and Kampf. Yeah, I got Lafferty up over Yarncroft. Wow. I do. Really? Meat and potatoes. Who are you talking about here? Is this about Lafferty or is this about Yarncroft?

Yarncroft's soft. Yeah. Kerfoot, soft. I still don't, I'm not thrilled going to battle like with Kerfoot and Yarncroft, but I think when push comes to shove, Lafferty's up and Achari's up. Yeah. I mean, Achari averages 15, 16 a game this year. He plays.

I'm not seeing them play eight, nine minutes on the fourth line. Right. I see Yarncroft buried when the push comes to shove. And I'm not sure where Kerfoot. Kerfoot pushes Snow too many times for me. Well, you need some players that can play and connect the dots between talented guys you know like kerfoot comes in with speed like if he's he's got to be that water bug now especially with engvall speeds gone yeah i get it but i'm talking about a shoulder to shoulder best of seven right now, which is skill out of your four guys.

And then the rest of them stick a steak in the middle of the room. I will say dogs eat. You don't feel like this team is any, you haven't lost any sort of ability to play, to score, to produce. You still have all that offense, the same amount of guys to score. Engvall in 17 playoff games from had zero produce. You still have all that offense, the same amount of guys to score.

Engvall in 17 playoff games had zero goals. Just remind you of that. Sandin also. But what they do have is guys that aren't going to get ragdolled. Like, Shen's not taking it. You know, the guys that they have added are going to be in the scrumps.

This is fascinating. I love it. You should. I love it. I love it. The it the leafs are a i'm gonna say it again a completely different hockey team than they were when they played the squids like this is a different yeah they got some sack right now just say it sammy they say it sammy they got a little sack there you go they got a little meat and potatoes they do i am fired up about this right now horses this is the same luke shen that's been playing with quinn hughes for long stretches of time. It's not like he can't play minutes.

This is so awesome. Don't they still have too many Ds? Someone have to go with them. They got eight. They got eight, including Timmons on the lineup. Sorry. Sorry, does this Brad May clip suit the Leafs now? I'd fight my mom to win another Stanley Cup.

Yes, perfect. Absolutely perfect. Oh, man. Boys, our timing was pretty good for this show. I got it. No kidding. Wow. God, I wish they played tonight.

Actually, it's good. We'll have one day to get the roster settled we'll come up with some lines and everything we'll they'll skate tomorrow morning presumably and talk i yes i well tomorrow afternoon but we'll get some talking i i have a luke shen jersey i bought in his rookie year wow yeah um i was really excited about luke shen obviously yeah he it is number two he does not wear number two now because of jake mccabe coming in um but they are going to be a lot harder to play against there's just no doubt that they are a much much different element to play so i will never miss Angle for one minute. Do you think Dubas is done? No.

I think there's maybe some goaltending situation he's going to look long and hard at. And maybe we'll know something Wednesday, Thursday. Do you think he wants to see... Murray play? Yeah, maybe a couple... Well, he's eligible when tomorrow to come off yeah he won't play i don't think against edmonton but he could probably play against calgary do you think he wants to see that game does it matter doesn't matter to me you're still worried about

him you can't one game's not going to change anything i do wonder if you betrayed justin hall now because you have 8D. So there's an, so apparently Mark Masters has put out that there's a pretty emotional scene in Seattle. All the Swedes are walking and Sandin and Engvall, they're walking them out. William and Rassus are arm and arm, hugging. Yeah, seems like a great guy. Yeah. Okay.

Bye. See ya. Seems like a great guy, but seriously, seriously you know that's not uh that's great yeah 2600 people watching our show boys on bye felicia ruthless finished our show here ice cold oh my goodness and there's still at comb out there chickens out there yeah colton pareko do you think colton pareko has a no trade clause in his car and has not been approached yet about moving it no yeah so like come on if you haven't talked to him or his agent up until now you're not gonna do that to a guy that you want

to cup with yeah that sounds right i am i am curious to know do you think dubious with no contract for next year do you think that's related to going guns a blazing do you think it'd be pretty hard to drop like swinging for the fences it It got him backed into a corner and he is not going down. Oh my god, is he feeling it? Now the craziest moment of all is when they announce that Morgan Riley is going to the wing. That's your

second line winger. Alright boys, this has been awesome. Just an incredible amount of fun. I'm thrilled. Yeah. Really, really good. Leafs have eight defensemen. Not sure that that's done. Leafs have a goalie who they don't know they can trust who makes $4.5 million.

Not sure that's done. This is really fun. This is a great show today. Tomorrow will be a lot of fun, too. All right. More to come. Wow. Wow.

Almost like 2,700 people watching on YouTube. And it's going to get even better tomorrow. All right. JB, thanks, pal. You too. Sammy. Derek, great job. My palms are soaked.

Sis Boomba. Jason York. Scott Darling. I never got a chance to try my comedic. That's a shame. We had Zach Hyman. That feels like six years ago. Three years ago.

Yeah. What do you call two nuts walking through Central That feels like six years ago. Three years ago. Yeah. What do you call two nuts walking through Central Park? Oh, my God. Oh, God. Don't get us canceled. Oh, wait a minute. I screwed that up.

Not all nuts are equal. Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's in the show. I can't remember the joke. That's a real Kipper and Bourne. I can't remember the joke. I'll remember it for tomorrow.